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flickchick85
03-11-2010, 11:48 PM
I love it. And I think the accent and the whole Nazi angle will actually do wonders to differentiate this character from other villains he's played. It'll probably be like seeing him play a villain for the first time, if that makes any sense, lol. Anyway, I hope we get confirmation on this soon! :up:

Kung Fu master
03-12-2010, 12:02 AM
I have a problem.

When I heard this news, all I could think about was how much I'd like to see Krasinski cast against him. I still have Krasinski-fever, and I don't know how to get over it.

JP
03-12-2010, 12:04 AM
I have a problem.

When I heard this news, all I could think about was how much I'd like to see Krasinski cast against him. I still have Krasinski-fever, and I don't know how to get over it.
The only prescription is more cowbell.

Spider-Fan
03-12-2010, 12:08 AM
Dr. SF's prescription: an open mind :up:

BrlntDsgse
03-12-2010, 12:11 AM
Yeah, i agree that JK would be great onscreen up against Weaving, but Weaving will be great no matter who they cast as Cap. And who knows(here comes the flame war), if some of the speculation about JK being Johnston's preference and Marvel being the ones looking at other options, perhaps this could signal a swing of the pendulum towards JJ as far as his casting choices. Not likely, I'd imagine, but not impossible.

reta666
03-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Safe?

I call it a jack pot. You got a guy who actually resembles the character (unfortunate for him :hehe:). He has the acting chops. He's got mainstream appeal and exposure. He's just a great baddy all around. I can already picture him with a German accent. That's the one thing about him I really like: His tone. The guy commands the screen with his voice.

Yeah like I said it sound great, not really complaining; but it just feels off, maybe its too much exposure to SHH where he's nominated for every villain possible.

I would be pretty happy with him though.

copywrite
03-12-2010, 12:22 AM
Yeah, but its boring. Hes a typecast. I wish they'd go outside the box. A great choice, imo, would be macaulay culkin. Red Skull was scrawny before his transformation. And has any one seen the Good Son? He was creepy as hell in that movie, even though he was only a little kid. He's very good at disturbed people roles, and I think he'd make a great Red Skull. Plus, he wants to get back into acting, this could be his come back role. I'm sure he'd take it if he was offered it, and seeing how Dane Cook and the jo**** got to screen, I don't see why he, an actual qualified actor can't.

Jesus. Not only did you seriously just suggest Macaulay Culkin, but you're basing his acting skills off of a role he did when he was 12. Even if he is looking to get back into acting, he should do a serious role, not a a superhero villain. No one would take him seriously.

Aluchak
03-12-2010, 12:24 AM
No one does take him seriously because of Home Alone, thats why he should do something different. And if he could play that when he was 12, why wouldn't he be able to now. Its not like he lost all his knowledge.
How would you like to be known as "the home alone kid" your whole life?
This is a really different role, and if he does good it could change his reputation.
I think he could pull it off. He was pretty disturbing in Party Monster. And I guess no one takes Heath Ledgers Joker seriously, because its a "superhero villain". Villains can be serious roles.

Silvermoth
03-12-2010, 12:28 AM
Hearing Hugo Weaving do a German accent would most likely cause me to shoot rainbows out of my mouth.

rogue trooper
03-12-2010, 12:28 AM
I always thought Weaving could have been a great Joker or Sinestro, and I think he'll be an outstanding Red Skull!!:up:

blinkuldhc
03-12-2010, 12:36 AM
How is Hugo gonna find time to do this and the avengers while filming The Hobbit? Not like he can just easily fly from new Zealand

flickchick85
03-12-2010, 12:38 AM
Hearing Hugo Weaving do a German accent would most likely cause me to shoot rainbows out of my mouth.
:lmao: Love the imagery.

Chewy
03-12-2010, 12:47 AM
How is Hugo gonna find time to do this and the avengers while filming The Hobbit? Not like he can just easily fly from new Zealand
Who said he would be in the Avengers? And it could be scheduled out, it's not like he'd need to be there for the Hobbit's entire shoot.

Spider-Fan
03-12-2010, 12:57 AM
I personally would like to see the Red Skull return in The Avengers as the baddie. I know not many share this same idea, but he is my top choice for villain of it.

I hope he gets a multipicture deal, though I doubt it is anywhere near 9, lol.

louiebling$
03-12-2010, 01:01 AM
Ok Marvel just got a free Pass for Taking so damn long with Casting Cap... this just made it up to me.

Hugo Mother****ing Weaving?!?!?!!!

Dear lord this is Awesome, I damn near salivated on my keyboard :awesome:

Honestly I would have never thought He would be on Marvels Radar(but now that I think about it it makes so much sence because of Wolfman).

This is Gold Casting

*nerdgasm*
:awesome:
:awesome:
:awesome:
:awesome:

craigdbfan
03-12-2010, 01:03 AM
Brilliant pick indeed.

Weaving always creates and embodies the character he is playing.

Rarely does he ever give a similar performance. The man strives for uniqueness in each role which flows naturally for him.

Darkness Falls
03-12-2010, 01:07 AM
Win

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 01:22 AM
I personally would like to see the Red Skull return in The Avengers as the baddie. I know not many share this same idea, but he is my top choice for villain of it.

I hope he gets a multipicture deal, though I doubt it is anywhere near 9, lol.

Well wasn't he put in suspended animation and rescued by Hydra for modern times? I would think with a guy like Weaving, there's a good possibility he's involved in the Avengers.

weezerspider
03-12-2010, 01:31 AM
Hugo Weaving + Red Skull= Awesome

Why do they call this type casting? He was a villain in The Matrix and Transformers. I don't recall him playing any other villainous roles.

weezerspider
03-12-2010, 01:32 AM
Hugo Weaving + Red Skull= Awesome

Why do they call this type casting? He was a villain in The Matrix and Transformers. I don't recall him playing any other villainous roles.

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 01:41 AM
Hugo Weaving + Red Skull= Awesome

Why do they call this type casting? He was a villain in The Matrix and Transformers. I don't recall him playing any other villainous roles.

......not to mention he played the hero in "V for Vendetta" ....

flickchick85
03-12-2010, 02:00 AM
...and a wise elder good guy in Lord of the Rings.

blinkuldhc
03-12-2010, 02:05 AM
Have we not learned anything with the Cap news? Why are people acting like this is a done deal?

Weaving may ultimately be cast, but I don't quite understand how some people are treating this as signed, sealed and delivered.

Dave40
03-12-2010, 02:57 AM
I hope Weaving will be Red Skull.Thats an awesome choice! :awesome:.

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 02:59 AM
i hope thi rumor is false. seriously, anyone who "starred" in those matrix movies should never ever "act" in a movie again. and weaving was even worse than keanu and that-guy-who-played-the-female-lead.

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 03:06 AM
i hope thi rumor is false. seriously, anyone who "starred" in those matrix movies should never ever "act" in a movie again. and weaving was even worse than keanu and that-guy-who-played-the-female-lead.

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B
03-12-2010, 03:36 AM
Hugo Weaving would be an inspired casting for Red Skull me thinks.

I approve of this notion. :up:

Carlo Comicus
03-12-2010, 03:40 AM
Weaving is perfect for this scene:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/img/rb4201.jpg

Stripesy Strip
03-12-2010, 03:45 AM
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Fantastic turn of events.

Why are they so good at picking villains and so bad at picking heroes?

Stripesy Strip
03-12-2010, 03:47 AM
so now cap actor has to act against SLJ/Norton/RDJ/SJ/Cheadle/Renner(Possibly)/Weaving/

LOL

What that means is that they have to pick a great actor whatever the age. Just say he aged slowly instead of stop aging.

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 04:02 AM
i hope thi rumor is false. seriously, anyone who "starred" in those matrix movies should never ever "act" in a movie again. and weaving was even worse than keanu and that-guy-who-played-the-female-lead.

I don't know how you came up with that but okay. must be an Austrian thing. i kid, i kid.

Webhead2006
03-12-2010, 04:17 AM
read the news a few hrs ago about hugo weaving in talks for the red skull. He is a great actor, and plays villains very well. Sure he is a bit typecast. But i dont mind that. If he is confirmed for red skull this will be a good casting move for the film. He has alot of star power with his name.

Webhead2006
03-12-2010, 04:21 AM
read the news a few hrs ago about hugo weaving in talks for the red skull. He is a great actor, and plays villains very well. Sure he is a bit typecast. But i dont mind that. If he is confirmed for red skull this will be a good casting move for the film. He has alot of star power with his name.

LostSon88
03-12-2010, 04:34 AM
Yeah, but its boring. Hes a typecast. I wish they'd go outside the box.

Go outside the box? They considered doing that when they tested Krasinski for Cap and people did nothing but whine. Now that they consider someone practically perfect for a role what do we do? WHINE OF COURSE!

:whatever:

I've said it before and i'll say it again:

We fanboys are a fickle bunch...no matter what they do, we'll still find a way to b**ch. Its our lot in life.

Darkness Falls
03-12-2010, 04:52 AM
agreed

Darkness Falls
03-12-2010, 04:53 AM
i can't believe people are complaining about hugo weaving playing the red skull :o

he's a great actor with alot of range and imo is a great choice :awesome:

TheFuture
03-12-2010, 04:56 AM
I think you're taking the piss Aluchak. :cwink: As for Weaving, Marvel can give themselves a pat on the back if they manage to pull it off.

LostSon88
03-12-2010, 05:08 AM
Its because he's too perfect. In fact he's so perfect for the role that he's boring.

Its too predictable...DUH!!!
:doh:

:oldrazz:

ultimatefan
03-12-2010, 05:29 AM
Weaving may be an obvious choice, but he´s great obvious choice.

Brian Braddock
03-12-2010, 06:02 AM
I friggin' love Weaving. Obviously, he was great as Agent Smith etc but it's for more recent performances that I think he's simply a fantastic character actor. An actor who, when you hear has been cast, you just know he's going to be exciting and a joy to watch in the role.

He made the character of 'V' work through his body language and aural dexterity [when Purefroy couldnt], and he was the best thing in the Wolfman.

I definately look forward to seeing what he does with Red Skull.

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 06:07 AM
Its because he's too perfect. In fact he's so perfect for the role that he's boring.

Its too predictable...DUH!!!
:doh:

:oldrazz:
No, it's because he is a really, really, really, REALLY bad actor! I've seen better perfomances by billy zane than weaving.
It's a castng decision that, if true, would make me very angry...then sad....then probably a bit horny...then angry again.

craigdbfan
03-12-2010, 06:17 AM
So how long have you been doing this comedy act?

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 06:35 AM
So how long have you been doing this comedy act?
I've seen Weaving in the LOTR trilogy and while I liked the first movie and aspects of the second one, Weavings performance as Elrond was one of the bad things (besides Liv Tyler) of this trilogy.
I don't know why I saw ALL three Matrix movies (because I absolutley hated the first one) but Weavings wooden acting as Smith was worse than whatever Keanu Reaves did in this flicks.
I sat through V for Vendetta and while I loved the Graphic Novel, the only good things in the movie were the perfomances by Portman and Fry. Weaving did nothing in VfV that made me appreciate his "acting abilities" just a little bit.
Transformers, I don't know, I saw the first hour of the movie and then left the theater, because that film was one of the worst pieces of faeces I've ever seen.
All in all, I'm sorry, but I don't think that Weaving is an actor I'll ever enjoy watching.

Billy Zane on the other hand did I Woke Up Early The Day I Died, which was hilarious.

So, yes, I've seen better performances by Zane than by Weaving

Dr. Sid Jawtug
03-12-2010, 06:50 AM
I've seen Weaving in the LOTR trilogy and while I liked the first movie and aspects of the second one, Weavings performance as Elrond was one of the bad things (besides Liv Tyler) of this trilogy.
I don't know why I saw ALL three Matrix movies (because I absolutley hated the first one) but Weavings wooden acting as Smith was worse than whatever Keanu Reaves did in this flicks.
I sat through V for Vendetta and while I loved the Graphic Novel, the only good things in the movie were the perfomances by Portman and Fry. Weaving did nothing in VfV that made me appreciate his "acting abilities" just a little bit.
Transformers, I don't know, I saw the first hour of the movie and then left the theater, because that film was one of the worst pieces of faeces I've ever seen.
All in all, I'm sorry, but I don't think that Weaving is an actor I'll ever enjoy watching.

Billy Zane on the other hand did I Woke Up Early The Day I Died, which was hilarious.

So, yes, I've seen better performances by Zane than by Weaving

So you're saying Billy Zane is better than Hugo?
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R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 07:08 AM
So you're saying Billy Zane is better than Hugo?
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No I said I've seen one performance by Zane that I enjoyed way more than anything I've seen by Weaving. Zane is an awful actor. But so is Weaving. He just has a fanbase that obviously likes his style of whatever-he-is-doing-but-I-wouldn't-call-it acting and got better roles in mainstream blockbuster movies, which is why his fanbase grew and he got more roles in blockbuster movies. As I stated above, there is not one of his performances in any of this movies that I enjoyed. Maybe he is talented, but he surely knows to hide that.

afan
03-12-2010, 07:24 AM
First piece of good news on this film.

Keyser Soze
03-12-2010, 07:40 AM
This news sucks! How dare they cast an actor who's perfect for the role and great at playing villains! That's too obvious! They should have cast Chris Rock as Red Skull, that would have been more edgy and exciting - I wouldn't have seen THAT coming. :whatever:

Keyser Soze
03-12-2010, 07:47 AM
But seriously.... is someone actually saying Hugo Weaving is a bad actor? Wow. I thought Hugo Weaving was one of those guys that EVERYONE likes. Even people who hated The Matrix or its sequels tend to acknowledge how great Weaving was as Agent Smith. But oh well, can't please all of the people all of the time, or however the saying goes...

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 07:53 AM
Wow. I thought Hugo Weaving was one of those guys that EVERYONE likes.
idk, I made calls and wrote text message to a couple of friends who are all comic book and/or movie freaks after I read this rumour. nobody responded positive, so I know I'm not alone. the BEST reactions were like "uh..could have been better, but...well.. I don't care"
actually I'm surprised that weaving get's that much support @ the hype!

roach
03-12-2010, 07:54 AM
I dunno I dont really have an issue if he gets the job just wish they would have cast an actual German in the role. Now we have to deal with someone faking an accent. Too bad Christoph Waltz is taken

Keyser Soze
03-12-2010, 07:58 AM
I dunno I dont really have an issue if he gets the job just wish they would have cast an actual German in the role. Now we have to deal with someone faking an accent. Too bad Christoph Waltz is taken

Christoph Waltz would have been such an obvious, bandwagon-jumping choice - fresh as he is from playing a Nazi villain - but his awesomeness would have been just enough to overcome my cynicism.

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 07:59 AM
Too bad Christoph Waltz is taken
to tell you the truth. after playing Hans Landa and the villain in Green Hornet, I hoped he wouldn't play Red Skull just to avoid the type cast. He could be a great Erskine/Reinstein, though.
Since "Nazis and Weird Scientists are the only roles for German speaking actors in Holywood." :woot:

roach
03-12-2010, 08:02 AM
I know how adamant they were to cast an american as Cap...just wanted that to carry over to the other roles...

DocHoliday
03-12-2010, 08:05 AM
No, it's because he is a really, really, really, REALLY bad actor! I've seen better perfomances by billy zane than weaving.
It's a castng decision that, if true, would make me very angry...then sad....then probably a bit horny...then angry again.

Don't mess with Billy Zane, he's a cool dude!

Young Superman
03-12-2010, 08:08 AM
Hugo Weaving would make a badass Red Skull!

Deaths Head II
03-12-2010, 08:10 AM
It makes sense that they're going for the obvious choices for rest of the big name cast if they're going for a relative unknown for Cap since most people will not have any doubts about Weaving's ability to play a villain. I have no complaints because Hugo Weaving is awesome.

DocHoliday
03-12-2010, 08:13 AM
Yes he would.

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 08:22 AM
hmmm. I suppose it could be worse. which is the most positive reaction I'm able to, atm.
this is the very first casting decision made by marvel studios I don't understand and after the chaos of the Cap casting I'm now officially worried. but I'll wait and see.

Aesop Rocks
03-12-2010, 08:23 AM
Hm.........

I could/would see this working brilliantly if Red Skull wore a mask and not just having a ****ed up face. I guess I really like this idea of having Weaving as Red Skull too because well, he's such (to me at least) an iconic figure in cinema and that would totally help whatever actor they choose for Cap face the inevitable "huge star persona" RDJ and the rest of The Avengers (it's beginning to sound really good saying that) are bringing with them to the The Avengers movie. If this unknown actor can go toe-to-toe with Hugo Weaving and it's wonderfully done? Yeah, he'll have no problem leading RDJ and the rest of The Avengers.

Chewy
03-12-2010, 08:34 AM
This news sucks! How dare they cast an actor who's perfect for the role and great at playing villains! That's too obvious! They should have cast Chris Rock as Red Skull, that would have been more edgy and exciting - I wouldn't have seen THAT coming. :whatever:
:hehe:

DocHoliday
03-12-2010, 08:38 AM
I am cool with Hugo. Guy brings the goods.

FaT_tONle
03-12-2010, 08:47 AM
I personally would like to see the Red Skull return in The Avengers as the baddie. I know not many share this same idea, but he is my top choice for villain of it.

I hope he gets a multipicture deal, though I doubt it is anywhere near 9, lol.

He won't fit it in. I know Chewy made the point that Elrod can be used selectively, but they are probably taking that thing to New Zealand for upwards of a year as soon as next year, when Avengers will also be in full swing. It's highly unlikely he'd be the main villain. I think they'll go with HYDRA if they want to bring back some WW2 elements.

Aesop Rocks
03-12-2010, 08:47 AM
I think they should battle smack in the orphanage.

DocHoliday
03-12-2010, 08:57 AM
I think they should battle smack in the orphanage.

I still need to see that!

Brian2887
03-12-2010, 09:05 AM
I agree that Hugo Weaving is a solid, but uninspired choice. It's like they reached into a fanboy thread for the easy way to go. "Well, they don't like Krasinski.. Let's give them someone they can't ***** about for Red Skull."

Hugo Weaving will be fine, but I feel like I already know what to expect from his performance. He's not wrong the role, but he's not the best for it either. Weaving will have to up his villain game and bring something really new to the table to convince me this was a choice based on him being best for the part, not for placating fanboys.

JP
03-12-2010, 09:06 AM
Wait, someone attempted to argue that Hugo Weaving is a bad actor?!?!? :(

Immortalfire
03-12-2010, 09:06 AM
I've enjoyed every role I've seen Weaving in..this would be ok with me :up:

THE MR. TERRIFIC
03-12-2010, 09:14 AM
This is a very good thing!

THE MR. TERRIFIC
03-12-2010, 09:24 AM
Great choice in Weaving!:cap:

FlawlessVictory
03-12-2010, 09:34 AM
Knowing that Evans is up for Cap, and now this news, it appears that Marvel is going the safe route in casting this film much like GL(Reynolds and Strong). Although it's possible one may get the "been there, done that feeling" with the casting(much the reason I didn't want RR for GL or Evans for Cap), I can understand the studio's reason for making these choices. There is a lot riding on these films(GL and CA) and in the end these are solid choices which will go a long way in ensuring these franchises get off the ground properly.

BETArayBill
03-12-2010, 09:41 AM
Hugo weaving as the red skull all I have to say is nice!

Spider-X
03-12-2010, 09:46 AM
YES! I freaking love Hugo Weaving. Between his acting in V for Vendetta and the Matrix, he is way underappreciated in my book. He's an incredibly dynamic and talented actor. I hope he gets the part.

FaT_tONle
03-12-2010, 09:49 AM
Knowing that Evans is up for Cap, and now this news, it appears that Marvel is going the safe route in casting this film much like GL(Reynolds and Strong). Although it's possible one may get the "been there, done that feeling" with the casting(much the reason I didn't want RR for GL or Evans for Cap), I can understand the studio's reason for making these choices. There is a lot riding on these films(GL and CA) and in the end these are solid choices which will go a long way in ensuring these franchises get off the ground properly.

Meh... I won't be settling for mediocrity and the same mundane, run-of-the-mill films we have seen from 90% of the CB movies the past ten years. Not that Weaving is a mediocre actor, but just in general. This is the one hero that embodies what this country is all about. If it's another forgettable TIH type effort, it's a fail. And no one will talk about it as a classic fifteen years from now. Felt the same way about the Watchmen movie... NO ONE is going to revisit that film twenty years down the line.

Nathan
03-12-2010, 09:56 AM
Weaving as Red Skull? Sweet if it happens.

piccolo
03-12-2010, 10:09 AM
Christoph Waltz would have been awesome, but Weaving is a good choice. There are so many actors who could kick ass as Red Skull im not concerned about this casting at all.

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 10:17 AM
Christoph Waltz would have been such an obvious, bandwagon-jumping choice - fresh as he is from playing a Nazi villain - but his awesomeness would have been just enough to overcome my cynicism.
Christoph Waltz would be unsuited to the part, at least based on his work as Landa. Landa was a great villain because he had humour, charm, and sophistication; the Red Skull has none of those things. He's a one-dimensional madman, devoid of sympathetic and likeable qualities. Totally different type of performance required.

Figs
03-12-2010, 10:33 AM
Meh... I won't be settling for mediocrity and the same mundane, run-of-the-mill films we have seen from 90% of the CB movies the past ten years. Not that Weaving is a mediocre actor, but just in general. This is the one hero that embodies what this country is all about. If it's another forgettable TIH type effort, it's a fail. And no one will talk about it as a classic fifteen years from now. Felt the same way about the Watchmen movie... NO ONE is going to revisit that film twenty years down the line.

:lmao: Hey, everyone has a right to their opinions but 90% is a huge stretch. What the hell do you mean by run-of-the-mill anyways?

I'm happy Marvel is getting good to great actors in their films. I can understand it being nice if they got fresh faces so we can see the character rather than a familiar face playing the character but they really are picking some great talent in their self financed films(well Disney is helping finance now as well).

When you say no one will revisit Watchmen twenty years from now, do you mean a remake or people still wanting to watch it?

roach
03-12-2010, 10:36 AM
Christoph Waltz would be unsuited to the part, at least based on his work as Landa. Landa was a great villain because he had humour, charm, and sophistication; the Red Skull has none of those things. He's a one-dimensional madman, devoid of sympathetic and likeable qualities. Totally different type of performance required.

which is better to have a three dimensional villain or a one note baddie???

OB12
03-12-2010, 10:51 AM
I really can't see how Weaving possibly playing Red Skull could be a bad thing. The guy is a great actor with a ton of range, he is as believable playing wise, or heroic, or menacing. Add that to the fact that he has a very unique face that could easily be enhanced through makeup, similar to how Ron Perlman is as Hellboy. This would be great casting and would really go a long way toward making this a great film.

Doctor Jones
03-12-2010, 10:56 AM
Ironic given that he was a fan favorite to play Sinestro. But this could be ****ing awesome. You need a great actor who can play Red Skull. No doubt he can't do fine.

roach
03-12-2010, 11:04 AM
Just got to see what they do for the Red Skull...if its a mask or a disfigurement from the Nazi SSS

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 11:13 AM
which is better to have a three dimensional villain or a one note baddie???Depends, but that's what the Red Skull is. He's pure Golden Age evil, a nihilist who just likes destroying stuff. He requires an actor who conveys a deep-seated hatred of the whole world; he's not funny or charming, which is Waltz's big strength.

Weadazoid
03-12-2010, 11:23 AM
I can hardly call it 'inspired' casting, but I find it hard to argue against it, other then the fact that he is a little to typical a villain

roach
03-12-2010, 11:23 AM
we dont know how the movie Skull is going to be portrayed

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 11:25 AM
we dont know how the movie Skull is going to be portrayedI rather doubt they're going to significantly diverge from his comics portrayal in that respect, which is like how most supervillains or film Nazis are depicted. Landa was so notable because he was so unlike cinematic depictions of Nazis. If you're expecting the Skull to be like Landa, you're going to be disappointed.

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 11:29 AM
this casting is one of those choices where it's too good to be true that funny enough, I'm sure most people thought of Hugo Weaving but never though he would actually get it because it would have been too fanboy-castingish.

I think Christoph Waltz could have been a wonderful Red Skull, but I digress, I knew he wouldn't do it because he's filming a movie during the same time as Captain (Water for Elephants) and he's already playing a comic book type villain in Green Hornet.

also, I don't think he wants to play another Nazi.

The choices of Hugo Weaving as Red Skull and Mark Strong as Sinestro will make me a happy fanboy next Summer. I'm sure too that the guy playing Loki will bring down the house.

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
Christoph Waltz would be unsuited to the part, at least based on his work as Landa. Landa was a great villain because he had humour, charm, and sophistication; the Red Skull has none of those things. He's a one-dimensional madman, devoid of sympathetic and likeable qualities. Totally different type of performance required.

it's not fair to say that Red Skull is one dimensional when his character is just different.

DarthDaveBanner
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
And so after being suggested for pretty much every comic book supervillain you can name, Weaving could be finally cast as one and possibly the most fitting one.

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
I'm sure Weavin was in so many fanboy castings that it had to come true eventually. haha hoy

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 11:37 AM
it's not fair to say that Red Skull is one dimensional when his character is just different.
No, he's one-dimensional. He's evil just to be evil; Marvel has always kept away from assigning him any deeper characterization or sympathetic qualities because he's incarnate fascism. He can be used well, but he's no Magneto or Dr. Doom.

Project862006
03-12-2010, 11:39 AM
how is he type cast looking at his film record he has only played a bad guy in the Matrix Trilogy and Recently the Wolfman

OB12
03-12-2010, 11:44 AM
He is only type cast in the sense that he is suggested by fans to play every villianous character. In actuality, he has only played a couple of villians, the most notable being Agent Smith, which sticks out because many of his films have not been mainstream releases.

Artistsean
03-12-2010, 12:02 PM
I always thought he would be a good actor for the part not because he plays good bad guys, but because he is willing to not show his face for an entire movie (V for Vendetta) and can act with just his voice and movements. Red Skull is a bad guy who never shows his face (in the comics) so that would be good for the movie.
Plus, he is a good actor. And I thought, since he was in Wolfman, the director might consider him. But I didn't know if it would actually happen. It still could turn out false. But I hope its true.
If he is cast, that would be great. If he isn't I hope they cast an actor who could play the Red Skull well.
I hope he wears a mask like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/1094304-redskull667.jpg

Keyser Soze
03-12-2010, 12:04 PM
I have to agree with CaptainCanada. I'm not bashing Red Skull - I like the character, and actually think this is a good thing about him. But in the era of sympathetic, nuanced villains, Red Skull has always remained pure evil, devoid of any redeeming qualities.

Artistsean
03-12-2010, 12:07 PM
I think Weaving will be a great Red Skull, if they choose him, and the version I want to see is this one:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/1094304-redskull667.jpg
a Nazi soldier (highly trained) who wears a mask the whole movie.
The mask has a built in gas mask and such. And under his Nazi uniform is body armor.
(Not a super soldier, or a mutilated soldier, or a mutated soldier) Just the classic version.
But I guess whatever they choose to do, as long as its good, I will probably like it.

Congo Jack
03-12-2010, 12:09 PM
Weaving is a solid choice for the Red Skull. I'm sure he'll do a great job if cast.

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 12:14 PM
I've seen Weaving in the LOTR trilogy and while I liked the first movie and aspects of the second one, Weavings performance as Elrond was one of the bad things (besides Liv Tyler) of this trilogy.
I don't know why I saw ALL three Matrix movies (because I absolutley hated the first one) but Weavings wooden acting as Smith was worse than whatever Keanu Reaves did in this flicks.
I sat through V for Vendetta and while I loved the Graphic Novel, the only good things in the movie were the perfomances by Portman and Fry. Weaving did nothing in VfV that made me appreciate his "acting abilities" just a little bit.
Transformers, I don't know, I saw the first hour of the movie and then left the theater, because that film was one of the worst pieces of faeces I've ever seen.
All in all, I'm sorry, but I don't think that Weaving is an actor I'll ever enjoy watching.

Billy Zane on the other hand did I Woke Up Early The Day I Died, which was hilarious.

So, yes, I've seen better performances by Zane than by Weaving

Wow. You didn't like the first Matrix? That was the only good one. And how could you not appreciate his charisma in "V"?

Hard to please I see.

Iceman
03-12-2010, 12:19 PM
Christoph Waltz has been my pick since IB but I'm more than happy with Hugo Weaving! As long as we get someone of this kind of calibre, everyone's a winner!

DocHoliday
03-12-2010, 12:28 PM
I could see him wearing the Red Skull mask if he was severely scarred from the SSS.

R_Hythlodeus
03-12-2010, 12:35 PM
Wait, someone attempted to argue that Hugo Weaving is a bad actor?!?!? :( Yes I did. I don't like his acting & I know I'm not alone.

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 12:43 PM
Yes I did. I don't like his acting & I know I'm not alone.

Maybe not "alone" .....but certainly in a tiny minority.

Spider-Fan
03-12-2010, 12:45 PM
I have to agree with CaptainCanada. I'm not bashing Red Skull - I like the character, and actually think this is a good thing about him. But in the era of sympathetic, nuanced villains, Red Skull has always remained pure evil, devoid of any redeeming qualities.

He's not supposed to be sympathetic at all. Nor do I think he ever should be. The Red Skull is the ultimate Earth villain in regard to being evil. Dr. Doom and Magneto are great villains, but they both have good and motivations that are not entirely evil. This is why the Red Skull is so great. He is pure evil in human form. Nothing about him is likeable, and for the ultimate likeable character (Cap), that is the best foil.

Banshee
03-12-2010, 12:45 PM
I can think of worse choices. i can think of better too though.

flickchick85
03-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Yes I did. I don't like his acting & I know I'm not alone.
HDU

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8473/adangrylucille1zeb0ci.gif





..I kid. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. :yay:

Eddie Dean
03-12-2010, 12:55 PM
This thread is insane. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with trying to entertain comic book fans.

roach
03-12-2010, 01:00 PM
with comic book movies its damned if you do damned if you dont

Rock Sexton
03-12-2010, 01:00 PM
He's not supposed to be sympathetic at all. Nor do I think he ever should be. The Red Skull is the ultimate Earth villain in regard to being evil. Dr. Doom and Magneto are great villains, but they both have good and motivations that are not entirely evil. This is why the Red Skull is so great. He is pure evil in human form. Nothing about him is likeable, and for the ultimate likeable character (Cap), that is the best foil.

Two major points here:

1. Weaving has already played one of the most non-sympathetic baddies in Agent Smith.

2. Weaving has also played a major role behind a mask in "V for Vendetta"

The man's got the right mix of experience for the role of the Red Skull no doubt.

Spider-Fan
03-12-2010, 01:02 PM
Two major points here:

1. Weaving has already played one of the most non-sympathetic baddies in Agent Smith.

2. Weaving has also played a major role behind a mask in "V for Vendetta"

The man's got the right mix of experience for the role of the Red Skull no doubt.

I completly agree with you on this. Both his performances as V and Smith are fantastic, so I only see Weaving being a complete home run in his performance.

Nightwing
03-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Weaving was my very first choice for Sinestro, but I'm happy that role went to Strong in the end. But Weaving as Red Skull would be ideal...I'm hoping this really happens. Excellent choice.

Figs
03-12-2010, 01:47 PM
Two major points here:

1. Weaving has already played one of the most non-sympathetic baddies in Agent Smith.

2. Weaving has also played a major role behind a mask in "V for Vendetta"

The man's got the right mix of experience for the role of the Red Skull no doubt.

Damn good point!

Philly Phanboy
03-12-2010, 02:18 PM
I can think of worse choices. i can think of better too though.

Ditto. The pre-production seems to have dragged on longer than what they had originally charted so I'm guessing this will be the first of a very "safe" cast full of genre proven actors.

Going by this casting choice, I'd say Evans has the edge for the Cap role too.

OB12
03-12-2010, 02:27 PM
^^ Safe is not always bad though. Weaving would give the film instant credibility as he is incredibly experienced and is battle-tested in the sci-fi genre. He can clearly handle the menace that is required to bring Red Skull to life.

blinkuldhc
03-12-2010, 02:40 PM
I do agree that Red Skull is one dimensional in that he's a hardened bad guy with no qualities that even remotely evoke sympathy. He's uncompromising, unrelenting, and unsympathetic.


In many ways, it's what Agent Smith was in The Matrix series.

[A]
03-12-2010, 02:42 PM
Weaving is the man. How can't you love the guy?

Project862006
03-12-2010, 02:47 PM
I hate when people say oh it is a safe pick is there something wrong with picking a guy for a role who is literally perfect for it.I feel some peope always want an out of left field choice or an unconventional choice which is ridiculous.

should they of cast someone out of left field for Deadpool just b/c Reynolds was so obvious

being a safe or obvious chocie does'nt make it bad

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 02:52 PM
Yes I did. I don't like his acting & I know I'm not alone.

I don't know..I don't anybody who actually dislikes Hugo Weaving. It's like saying.."I don't like that Eastwood guy," and everybody goes 'huh?'

OB12
03-12-2010, 02:53 PM
^^ Especially when we are talking about the supporting cast. These are the choices that should provide a good foundation for your movie. I think it is OK to go unconventional in the lead role or the antagonist, but not both.

Octoberist
03-12-2010, 02:55 PM
but you gotta have a guy who can work well for this movie AND the Avengers. That's why I think the Tron kid (as much I think he's actually a good actor) maybe is too young looking.

Evan is young too, but there's maturity there and I can an Alpha Male in there, leading the pack. That's a quality that not everyone has.

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 02:56 PM
He's not supposed to be sympathetic at all. Nor do I think he ever should be. The Red Skull is the ultimate Earth villain in regard to being evil. Dr. Doom and Magneto are great villains, but they both have good and motivations that are not entirely evil. This is why the Red Skull is so great. He is pure evil in human form. Nothing about him is likeable, and for the ultimate likeable character (Cap), that is the best foil.
I said all that. And that makes him one-dimensional.

blinkuldhc
03-12-2010, 02:58 PM
People knock casting choices as "safe picks" because their own personal choice was not cast, but the "safe pick" is too good of an actor for the people to criticize. So, the only criticism is that it's "safe."

Project862006
03-12-2010, 03:04 PM
but you gotta have a guy who can work well for this movie AND the Avengers. That's why I think the Tron kid (as much I think he's actually a good actor) maybe is too young looking.

Evan is young too, but there's maturity there and I can an Alpha Male in there, leading the pack. That's a quality that not everyone has.
I will agree to this i am a hedlund supporter but Evans has a more mature look not that hedlund looks like a little kid.It is just Evans also seems to have some screen presence.

C. Lee
03-12-2010, 03:12 PM
I have to agree with CaptainCanada. I'm not bashing Red Skull - I like the character, and actually think this is a good thing about him. But in the era of sympathetic, nuanced villains, Red Skull has always remained pure evil, devoid of any redeeming qualities.

So....you think we need a sympathetic Red Skull.....like, show us how Hitler didn't let him play with puppies as a kid so that we don't feel too much anger with him as as he helps send millions to their deaths?

I think Weaving will make a good Red Skull....I've liked his acting ever since I saw THE INTERVIEW.

[A]
03-12-2010, 03:15 PM
Hitler didn't let him play with puppies as a kid? that's cold.

C. Lee
03-12-2010, 03:30 PM
;18153377']Hitler didn't let him play with puppies as a kid? that's cold.

Isn't it. I can't really be mad at Skully for trying to destroy western civilization now....I mean geeze, no puppy love for the red man.....:csad:

Dr.Dude
03-12-2010, 03:33 PM
EDIT - Whoops, heh, double post.

Dr.Dude
03-12-2010, 03:42 PM
I mentioned this before but as far as the "disfigured versus mask" debate, my vote goes to disfigured. It just seems like that would be more menacing, not to mention it truly makes him seem more like an irredeemable personification of evil instead of a man in a mask; the Red Skull isn't a character who can be shown in a noble light like Doctor Doom or Magneto, he's a sick, demented madman.

As far as how to show his skull...for anyone who's seen Hellraiser, I like the idea of making his face look like one of the skinless zombies in that movie. Basically, the same way you'd see a human head in any anatomy book when the skin is ripped off, exposing all the muscle and little bits of white bone.

Chris B
03-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Great choice.

Doctor Jones
03-12-2010, 03:54 PM
Red Skull's face should be burnt somehow. Not a mask. It just shows he's stuck in his evil and demonic visage and can't get out of it.

sabetoonth
03-12-2010, 04:14 PM
again, i go disfigured, weather it be through the serum, and accident with fire/chemicals, or what have you and weavings casting means he cant act through a mask, so IF they go the maks route, hell still kick ass

NEXUS 6
03-12-2010, 04:45 PM
Anybody else not warming up to Hugo Weaving?

I know he's a good actor, but I'd just prefer a real German. Maybe it's just me...

Aluchak
03-12-2010, 04:48 PM
I say disfigured and mask.

Infinity9999x
03-12-2010, 04:50 PM
I have to agree with CaptainCanada. I'm not bashing Red Skull - I like the character, and actually think this is a good thing about him. But in the era of sympathetic, nuanced villains, Red Skull has always remained pure evil, devoid of any redeeming qualities.

I see what you're saying, and every now and then I like Villains with more layers to them. It makes them more interesting, but at the same time, I get really annoyed when people try to force things onto characters that aren't there. Like Doc Ock and Sandman.

And I think while it has been an era of sympathetic villains, I think the past two Oscar Winners for best supporting actor will disagree with you.

The Joker and Hans Landa were wonderfully uncompromising and unsympathetic. Pure evil through and through. And they were fun as hell to watch.

sabetoonth
03-12-2010, 04:58 PM
id also prefer a real german but heah, if this is what we're gettin its what were gettin

CaptainCanada
03-12-2010, 05:24 PM
And I think while it has been an era of sympathetic villains, I think the past two Oscar Winners for best supporting actor will disagree with you.

The Joker and Hans Landa were wonderfully uncompromising and unsympathetic. Pure evil through and through. And they were fun as hell to watch.Landa wasn't unsympathetic. Certainly you weren't supposed to root for him, but he was extremely likeable, came across as a character with a lot of depth and personality. He was a three-dimensional character.

blinkuldhc
03-12-2010, 05:34 PM
I find it funny that some people consider Hans Landa as uncompromising.

***SPOILER ALERT****




Pretty sure Landa surrendered his country to the enemy at the end of IB. Not quite the "uncompromising" I would see in a Red Skull. Not saying that Waltz couldn't portray that, but Landa's character isn't exactly uncompromising in the same vein as Red Skull is.

HUMANIMAL
03-12-2010, 05:48 PM
cold blooded and if funny than in a very sarcastic and evil manner two or three lines ...why not....all thumbs up for hugo...he has that evil laugh and his eyes can transport a lot of emotions...i just wonder how clear this decision will turn out after all the possible contenders for cap witch now seem to be exchanged again...

TheWatcher
03-12-2010, 06:09 PM
I'd be up for Chris Evans vs Disfigured Hugo Weaving.

I SEE SPIDEY
03-12-2010, 06:19 PM
If he takes the role I will be very, very happy.

FaT_tONle
03-12-2010, 07:04 PM
:lmao: Hey, everyone has a right to their opinions but 90% is a huge stretch. What the hell do you mean by run-of-the-mill anyways?

I'm happy Marvel is getting good to great actors in their films. I can understand it being nice if they got fresh faces so we can see the character rather than a familiar face playing the character but they really are picking some great talent in their self financed films(well Disney is helping finance now as well).

When you say no one will revisit Watchmen twenty years from now, do you mean a remake or people still wanting to watch it?

Not really... the only reason why fans highly regard films like BB, IM, SM2 is because when you compare them to the Elecktras, FF's, X-3, SM3's, GR's of the world, they are a huge upgrade and we make them out to be better than they probably are. Reality is, they are pretty formulaic movies. I'm not sure any of those will go down as classics for cinema of the 2000's. Perhaps standouts of the genre for sure, but not much more than that. I'll be more than happy if Cap meets that standard, but I'm very skeptical. And I am talking about Snyder's film with that last point, no future remakes. **** that... the butchery has been enough. And the run-of-the-mill thing... that is the saying isn't it? How the mill goes round and round and we get the same **** over and over again?

BrlntDsgse
03-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Disfigured/transformed by the bootleg, second-rate Nazi serum....yes.
Disfigured as in burned......no.
Disfigured and wearing a mask.......ummmm, what!? Why would you wear a mask shaped like a red skull to cover up your face which has been disfigured to the look of......a red skull.

Boom
03-12-2010, 08:02 PM
While Weaving is a safe choice, it is also a solid one. The man ****s gold.

Superhero 101
03-12-2010, 08:07 PM
i think weaving will be perfect

I SEE SPIDEY
03-12-2010, 08:09 PM
I hope people who are complaining about Weaving being a safe choice aren't the one's who were terribly against a certain sitcom star getting the lead role....

Infinity9999x
03-12-2010, 09:18 PM
Landa wasn't unsympathetic. Certainly you weren't supposed to root for him, but he was extremely likeable, came across as a character with a lot of depth and personality. He was a three-dimensional character.

I didn't think he was sympathetic at all. He was likeable in the sense that I loved to hate him. And I'm not saying he's not three dimensional, but I'm saying he's not sympathetic. There was absolutely nothing in his character, or what happened to him, that made me fee any sympathy for him.

blinkuldhc,

I mean uncompromising in the sense that he is uncompromisingly an through and through evil character. He looked out for himself, and only himself.

That-Guy
03-12-2010, 10:37 PM
I see what you're saying, and every now and then I like Villains with more layers to them. It makes them more interesting, but at the same time, I get really annoyed when people try to force things onto characters that aren't there. Like Doc Ock and Sandman.

And I think while it has been an era of sympathetic villains, I think the past two Oscar Winners for best supporting actor will disagree with you.

The Joker and Hans Landa were wonderfully uncompromising and unsympathetic. Pure evil through and through. And they were fun as hell to watch.

Make that the last three Best Supporting Actor winners. You aren't forgetting about Anton Chigurh are ya?

LastSunrise1981
03-13-2010, 12:10 AM
Weaving for the Red Skull? Make it happen! :up: :up:

Webhead2006
03-13-2010, 01:03 AM
i wouldnt mind if maybe they play up mask and then scared/mutated by SSS and face then becomes a red skull.

Webhead2006
03-13-2010, 01:28 AM
hopefully weaving will be confirmed as red skull. will be great to finally have official word on any casting. Plus if he is announced and hopefully cap in next few days we can finally look at other casting to be coming too. Which like others have said they probably been casting all roles for awhile.

Stripesy Strip
03-13-2010, 02:28 AM
At another time the best choice would have been Klaus-Maria Brandauer:

http://www.premiere.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/racine/star/klaus-maria-brandauer/659931-89-fre-FR/Klaus-Maria-Brandauer_ba_et_extraits.jpg

Who plays a great charismatic self-possessed character in the movie Mephisto:

http://passouline.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2009/03/mephisto2.1237334230.jpg

bullets
03-13-2010, 02:31 AM
I didn't expect to get a confirmation on the villian casting until after they cast Cap . This is good news and hopefully signing up for multiple films doesn't cause him to back away.

bullets
03-13-2010, 02:32 AM
I didn't expect to get a confirmation on the villian casting until after they cast Cap . This is good news and hopefully signing up for multiple films doesn't cause him to back away.

blinkuldhc
03-13-2010, 05:02 AM
blinkuldhc,

I mean uncompromising in the sense that he is uncompromisingly an through and through evil character. He looked out for himself, and only himself.


I still disagree with that interpretation of Hans Landa.

To me, Landa was only as evil as he needed to be. He didn't seem like the type of character who was evil for the sake of being evil. If you look at his character from the German's POV, he was just a hero doing his job -- there wasn't much sinister about him. He was cooperative and polite with the French (perhaps even diplomatic).


When I think of a "through and through evil" character, I think of Darth Vader, the Joker, or even Bradley Cooper in Wedding Crashers. These characters were uncompromisingly evil.

Landa was a genius villain. It was not his "ends" that made him special, it was his "means." His methods were what made him a memorable and unique villain. But when it came to his "ends", he was compromising, as evidenced by the finale.

I mean, this is a guy who just wants to go to the States and retire early as a Euro transplant. It's not like Landa planned to go to the US and wreak havoc.

ImWithTeamConan
03-13-2010, 05:59 AM
At another time the best choice would have been Klaus-Maria Brandauer:

http://www.premiere.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/racine/star/klaus-maria-brandauer/659931-89-fre-FR/Klaus-Maria-Brandauer_ba_et_extraits.jpg

Who plays a great charismatic self-possessed character in the movie Mephisto:

http://passouline.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2009/03/mephisto2.1237334230.jpg

That picture gives me nightmares.

Ajendo
03-13-2010, 06:04 AM
Weaving as Johann Schmidt? Brilliant!

Iceman
03-13-2010, 08:11 AM
I hope people who are complaining about Weaving being a safe choice aren't the one's who were terribly against a certain sitcom star getting the lead role....Probably not the exact same group as the 'certain sitcom star' was far from a safe choice. I'm all for safe choices like Hugo Weaving when it comes from unproven directors. If someone like Nolan wants to take a few risks, I'll put my faith in his judgement.

R_Hythlodeus
03-13-2010, 08:43 AM
At another time the best choice would have been Klaus-Maria Brandauer:

http://www.premiere.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/racine/star/klaus-maria-brandauer/659931-89-fre-FR/Klaus-Maria-Brandauer_ba_et_extraits.jpg

Who plays a great charismatic self-possessed character in the movie Mephisto:

http://passouline.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2009/03/mephisto2.1237334230.jpg

Brandauer would never do it. His ongoing rants about American cinema are legendary. Anyway, nowadays he's to occupied directing and playing on stage.

Iron_Stark
03-13-2010, 09:31 AM
Weaving is a great choice.

Keyser Soze
03-13-2010, 09:59 AM
So....you think we need a sympathetic Red Skull.....like, show us how Hitler didn't let him play with puppies as a kid so that we don't feel too much anger with him as as he helps send millions to their deaths?

I think you totally missed the point of my post. I specifically stated that the BEST thing about the Red Skull is that he's utterly devoid of redeeming qualities and pure evil, making him different from all the sympathetic villains running around.

Son of Coul
03-13-2010, 11:19 AM
Love that people are actually complaining about having Hugo Weaving as Red Skull, "IT'S TOO OBVIOUS, GET SOMEONE MORE SURPRISING LIKE CHRISTOPH WALTZ!" some fans have no idea how lucky they are.

Just be happy they didn't get Nic Cage or some **** to play him.

Bug-Eyed Earl
03-13-2010, 12:13 PM
I think you totally missed the point of my post. I specifically stated that the BEST thing about the Red Skull is that he's utterly devoid of redeeming qualities and pure evil, making him different from all the sympathetic villains running around.

Hear, hear. That's been one of my biggest complaints about the Raimi spidey films- he makes too many of the villains too sympathetic. A number of them were right bastards before turning into supervillains, Norman Osborn I believe being one of them.

dennisv
03-13-2010, 04:05 PM
I think the movie should go for Red Skull from 9611. Where Cap bashes Johann's face in, revealing he had a red skull.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/8/8e/Red_Skull_%28Earth-9611%29_0001.jpg/370px-Red_Skull_%28Earth-9611%29_0001.jpg

TheFuture
03-13-2010, 04:17 PM
I don't think Marvel would want the film to be that graphically violent, plus a Captain America capable of such viciousness wouldn't sit well with me.

Iceman
03-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Does Jackie Earle Haley spring to anyone else's mind when you see this pic?

Not advocating for Haley to play Red Skull... just saying that this image really reminds me of him.Yes!

Since this space is already taken, I think I'd like his face to look more like a skull than the image I posted above. Perhaps something along these lines:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9634/redskullmovie.jpgI want the look to be somewhat 'skullish' as well, not only disfigured.

I say disfigured and mask.

Disfigured/transformed by the bootleg, second-rate Nazi serum....yes.
Disfigured as in burned......no.
Disfigured and wearing a mask.......ummmm, what!? Why would you wear a mask shaped like a red skull to cover up your face which has been disfigured to the look of......a red skull.Why not lol. He doesn't think like your average Joe. :woot:

Iceman
03-13-2010, 04:40 PM
I think the movie should go for Red Skull from 9611. Where Cap bashes Johann's face in, revealing he had a red skull.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/8/8e/Red_Skull_%28Earth-9611%29_0001.jpg/370px-Red_Skull_%28Earth-9611%29_0001.jpg

I don't think Marvel would want the film to be that graphically violent, plus a Captain America capable of such viciousness wouldn't sit well with me.Agreed on both Future, but that would be extremely cool to see dennisv!

Paroxysm
03-13-2010, 07:29 PM
This is the best news I have read yet about this movie.

Webhead2006
03-14-2010, 12:11 AM
totally having weaving would be a solid casting choice to have red skull. after the crazy development for casting of cap.

Chewy
03-15-2010, 09:46 PM
Hugo Weaving’s deal is still being worked on, though not much movement has occurred since last week (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/captain-america-villain-hugo-weaving-as-red-skull.html).
SOURCE (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/captain-america-channing-tatum-keira-knightley.html)

Webhead2006
03-15-2010, 11:06 PM
well at least it looks like they are going to nab him. They are probably working on his pay. which i would expect marvel to at least give him a few million for the role.

BrlntDsgse
03-16-2010, 05:29 AM
Here's a manip of Weaving as RS I've been working on....

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/skullalpha.jpg

That-Guy
03-16-2010, 09:56 AM
If Weaving plays the Red Skull and Tatum ends up playing Cap, this will be the worst case of the villain upstaging the hero since Tim Roth and that Grey's Anatomy guy in The Musketeer.

R_Hythlodeus
03-16-2010, 10:09 AM
they are in the same league :o

Nathan
03-16-2010, 10:13 AM
Tatum? The dude that was in G.I. Joe?

That-Guy
03-16-2010, 11:25 AM
Tatum? The dude that was in G.I. Joe?

Yeah. Apparently Marvel called him and asked him to audition for Cap.

Nathan
03-16-2010, 11:27 AM
**** no... someone tell me that's a joke. He was totally bland in G.I. Joe. He doesn't even have the authority or charisma to carry the role.

That-Guy
03-16-2010, 11:28 AM
I seriously WISH it was a joke, but it isn't. Tatum is one of the worst actors I have ever seen.

DocHoliday
03-16-2010, 11:30 AM
It isn't a joke, sadly.

Deaths Head II
03-16-2010, 12:49 PM
If Weaving plays the Red Skull and Tatum ends up playing Cap, this will be the worst case of the villain upstaging the hero since Tim Roth and that Grey's Anatomy guy in The Musketeer.

I think if it ends up being Weaving as Red Skull versus Tatum as Cap, I'll probably end up rooting for Red Skull.

Spider-Fan
03-16-2010, 01:02 PM
I think the script would magically make the Red Skull kill Cap if it is Tatum vs Weaving...cause, there is no reality Tatum wins that :o

Octoberist
03-16-2010, 02:48 PM
according to the Hollywood Reporter recently, they said that the studio is STILL trying to work out a contract with Hugo, even a week after the announcement. I'm just thinking that..Marvel really needs to think about their contract negotiation deals because thus far, it's been all over the map.

With Thor, it was actually pretty good.

But with Iron Man 2 and now this, it seems like they're lowballing too much. Yeah, I don't want an actor to get 30 million for a movie but they shouldn't be so cheap either.

Webhead2006
03-16-2010, 03:20 PM
well i am sure the red skull/other supporting players will probably not be as low as an offer as the itial cap one was reported. i am sure they will end up getting hugo or guys like him a few million for supporting role. And then if cap is someone like mike or garrett a low offer for them is more reasonable since they are a lesser comitidy then say hugo.

As for tatum yes it was reported he been asked to test, but that doesnt me he will actually get the role. Look at all the other names we have heard that tested and been knocked out of the list, ryan mcpartlin, michael cassidy, scott porter, john krasinski, patrick flueger to name the ones we have heard about. Not counting probably countless others who did test we didnt hear of prior to that list coming out a few weeks back.

Doctor Jones
03-16-2010, 03:34 PM
Weaving and Tatum as hero and villain?

My God, even if Red Skull dies, he will be mroe more alive than Tatum as Cap.

Evans and Weaving is much more exciting.

The Count
03-16-2010, 03:36 PM
Behold the Red Skull!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/16/article-1056457-015162B8000004B0-229_468x372.jpg

Deaths Head II
03-16-2010, 04:18 PM
Evans and Weaving is much more exciting.

A block of wood and Weaving would be more exciting.

Silvermoth
03-16-2010, 06:29 PM
Behold the Red Skull!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/16/article-1056457-015162B8000004B0-229_468x372.jpg

Perfect!

Darkness Falls
03-16-2010, 06:32 PM
If Weaving plays the Red Skull and Tatum ends up playing Cap, this will be the worst case of the villain upstaging the hero since Tim Roth and that Grey's Anatomy guy in The Musketeer.

i litterally lol'd :awesome:

davince338
03-17-2010, 04:07 AM
A block of wood and Weaving would be more exciting.

lol

If Tatum becomes cap, they should call the movie How the Red Skull humiliates Captain America.

I SEE SPIDEY
03-17-2010, 04:17 AM
Channing Tatum and Hugo Weaving...??? I can't even think about it, it's so confusing.

Also Marvel better stop being A-holes and get Weaving for the role.

That-Guy
03-17-2010, 08:41 AM
according to the Hollywood Reporter recently, they said that the studio is STILL trying to work out a contract with Hugo, even a week after the announcement. I'm just thinking that..Marvel really needs to think about their contract negotiation deals because thus far, it's been all over the map.


I bet Hugo was pretty much a done deal and then...

Marvel Exec: (hands Hugo a pen) Just sign here on the dotted line, Mr. Weaving.

Hugo: (looks over contract) Great, thanks. You know, I'm really looking forward to this role. I've been itching to play another iconic villain, and well, Transformers really didn't cut it. I don't even mind taking a slightly lower salary because I really have a lot of faith in this project. Any word yet on who you guys are going to cast as Captain America?

Marvel Exec: Yes! We're currently screen testing Channing Tatum.

Hugo: (drops pen before signing) Excuse me?

Marvel Exec: Tatum! You know, the guy who played a soldier in G.I. Joe? And a soldier in Dear John? And a soldier in Stop-Loss?

Hugo: ...

Marvel: Well, he has also played other types of characters! He was a hip-hop dancer in Step Up 1 & 2! And a jock in She's the Man! Oh, and he played a fighter in Fighting!

Hugo: We're going to need to renegotiate here.

That-Guy
03-17-2010, 02:36 PM
LOL, thanks. Yeah. I'd rather see Hugo Weaving in a dual role as Cap and Red Skull (complete with lame Jean Claude Van Damme-style twin brother subplot) than see Tatum in this damned movie.

Dark Knight
03-17-2010, 04:55 PM
What a waste.....Weaving as the Red Skull?? Ugh

He should have been cast Riddler, Brainiac or Sinestro!

Spider-X
03-17-2010, 05:02 PM
Behold the Red Skull!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/16/article-1056457-015162B8000004B0-229_468x372.jpg

that had better be a production still or i'll be pissed. They have completely NAILED Red Skull's look there!

Rock Sexton
03-17-2010, 05:03 PM
What a waste.....Weaving as the Red Skull?? Ugh

He should have been cast Riddler, Brainiac or Sinestro!

Ya seriously. I mean who could've ever picture a man with a naturally weird looking skull and a man who plays an excellent villain as the Red Skull? :whatever:

Dark Knight
03-17-2010, 05:05 PM
Ya seriously. I mean who could've ever picture a man with a naturally weird looking skull and a man who plays an excellent villain as the Red Skull? :whatever:





My point is the movie is going to SUCK! :whatever:

What a waste to cast Weaving in this film.....Ugh

Chewy
03-17-2010, 05:10 PM
My point is the movie is going to SUCK! :whatever:

What a waste to cast Weaving in this film.....Ugh
Thanks for your input :dry:

Rock Sexton
03-17-2010, 05:10 PM
My point is the movie is going to SUCK! :whatever:

What a waste to cast Weaving in this film.....Ugh

Roger that Dark Knight. Over and out.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ul9sWbwTSY4/SZYisJ3Ge0I/AAAAAAAAAL4/hMQBYmUOvcQ/s320/trucker+on+cb+2.jpg

FaT_tONle
03-17-2010, 05:12 PM
Sorry DC didn't snag him... get over it.

Rock Sexton
03-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Sorry DC didn't snag him... get over it.

I think he means that a guy like Weaving will be wasted if we get a pathetic cast for Cap.

Chewy
03-17-2010, 05:41 PM
No, Dark Knight is a big-time DC fanboy who will hate on anything Marvel-related

Dark Knight
03-17-2010, 06:02 PM
The consideration of one of the worst "actors" going today in Tatum as Cap doesn't cause you much concern?

It does me and I have had concerns regarding this project from the get go actually, especially after seeing JJ's failed attempt at the Wolfman.

The problems with casting the lead role should be taken as a sign for Weaving to not be anywhere near this potential trainwreck of a film....but oh well.

I have confidence in the Thor film....but not the Cap film. It will most likely do very badly internationally and I have a feeling it will underperform here in the US as well. Hey, I liked the Iron Man film...and the 2nd Hulk film was an improvement from Lees Hulk.

FaT_tONle
03-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Any fanboy can have an appreciation for a decent CB film... what some people can't stand are the part-sensible, mostly trollish fanboys like Captain Stacy and yourself, who blow this Marvel vs DC thing out of proportions. I admit I am a Marvel guy and my DC fanboyism falls many notches down once you get past the two guys, but I leave it at that. You go the extra mile.

Dark Knight
03-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Any fanboy can have an appreciation for a decent CB film... what some people can't stand are the part-sensible, mostly trollish fanboys like Captain Stacy and yourselves, who blow this Marvel vs DC thing out of proportions. I admit I am a Marvel guy and my DC fanboyism falls many notches down once you get past the two guys, but I leave it at that. You go the extra mile.





Hope your not talking to me....cause if you are, your wasting your breath.

Infinity9999x
03-17-2010, 06:22 PM
I don't think the negative outlook on the Cap film is specific to Dark Knight. I personally have a somewhat more supportive view, but it's understandably hard to be too excited about this show given some of the casting rumors.

And if Tatum gets the role...well...yeah

Nathan
03-17-2010, 06:30 PM
It just can't possibly happen. If Tatum gets cast, that would mean there were actors even worse than him. It's just impossible. Right Marvel?! :argh:

drax
03-17-2010, 06:39 PM
Hope your not talking to me....cause if you are, your wasting your breath.

No he don't, he have proven just how retarded you are, specially with this kind of reply.

For Weaving, I don't find him very good actor, but I think that he could play the role, so wait and see.

Deaths Head II
03-17-2010, 06:58 PM
What a waste.....Weaving as the Red Skull?? Ugh

He should have been cast Riddler, Brainiac or Sinestro!

Ryan Reynolds shows an actor getting a Marvel role doesn't stop him from getting a DC role too. And say what you want about the movie, but Weaving is a good choice for Red Skull.

paulogonza
03-17-2010, 07:42 PM
after all Hugo is confirmed at least or no?

Stripesy Strip
03-17-2010, 11:06 PM
What a waste.....Weaving as the Red Skull?? Ugh

He should have been cast Riddler, Brainiac or Sinestro!

Green Lantern and Captain America should exchange their actor's villains. Hugo Weaving as Sinestro, Mark Strong as Red Skull.

Stripesy Strip
03-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Brandauer would never do it. His ongoing rants about American cinema are legendary. Anyway, nowadays he's to occupied directing and playing on stage.

Brandauer did more than a few Hollywood roles back in the day. Did a James Bond, did Out of Africa, etc...

Webhead2006
03-17-2010, 11:11 PM
i see nothing wrong with hugo as red skull. HE is a solid actor plays roles well. As for the casting of steve. We dont really know what is going on or how auditions/tests go for each actor who has and is testing. Yes it sucks someone like tatum is testing. But the key word is he is just TESTING. He doesnt have the role and isnt signed for the role. I am sure guys like evans/vogel/bethal have better tests then tatum, plus we dont know who else is testing known or unknown right now.

R_Hythlodeus
03-18-2010, 07:06 PM
For Weaving, I don't find him very good actor
WAIT! I was told multiple times on this very thread, that I'm the ONLY one to believe that Weaving is no good actor and that it is both common knowledge and some kind of universal law that he is one of the best actors of this century.
now I'm puzzled....

bunk
03-18-2010, 07:29 PM
If Tatum get's the role…it's got to make you question where the Marvel is going right now. Especially after the solid casting of both Iron Man movies, Thor, and TIH. Until then, there's nothing to be upset about. Tatum's audition could simply be a favor for his agent, or somebody high up just likes the guy. I understand the negativity—but now it's carried over to this notion of Weaving's involvement as being a bad thing somehow. On what planet, really?

Franklin Richards
03-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Even a busted clock is correct twice in twenty four hours.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Franklin Richards
03-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Even a busted clock is correct twice in twenty four hours.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

That-Guy
03-19-2010, 09:30 AM
If Tatum get's the role…it's got to make you question where the Marvel is going right now. Especially after the solid casting of both Iron Man movies, Thor, and TIH. Until then, there's nothing to be upset about. Tatum's audition could simply be a favor for his agent, or somebody high up just likes the guy. I understand the negativity—but now it's carried over to this notion of Weaving's involvement as being a bad thing somehow. On what planet, really?

Yeah, if anything, Weaving's potential casting is the one thing that gives me hope that they'll get the right actor for Cap. But they also might try to snare a crap actor like Tatum and surround him with people who are infinitely more talented in hopes that it will all even out.

And that never works.

Webhead2006
03-19-2010, 02:46 PM
If Tatum get's the role…it's got to make you question where the Marvel is going right now. Especially after the solid casting of both Iron Man movies, Thor, and TIH. Until then, there's nothing to be upset about. Tatum's audition could simply be a favor for his agent, or somebody high up just likes the guy. I understand the negativity—but now it's carried over to this notion of Weaving's involvement as being a bad thing somehow. On what planet, really?
Totally so far casting has been pretty dam solid for the marvel studios films. As for guys like tatum/phillippe testing for capt. its just a test and not them signing the contract for the role. We dont know how they were able to test were they called by marvel to come in, did they use connections/agents to score an interview who knows.

As for weaving he would be a solid lead villain. and if he becomes official i cant wait to see how he will look and play the role.

bunk
03-20-2010, 10:48 AM
Weaving has already shown he can provide different takes on the role of antagonist. He's an actor's actor; I think he could really come up with something special for Red Skull. Hopefully the script is well written.

Abraham
03-20-2010, 11:13 AM
Hopefully the script is well written.

They haven't even hammered out a final script, see:

They're back at page 1 on the script, as of a couple of weeks ago. We'll see.

Webhead2006
03-20-2010, 04:25 PM
totally weaving is a very solid actor and if/once confirmed by marvel/his reps this would be a solid actor to have on board for the film.

Aesop Rocks
03-20-2010, 04:28 PM
They haven't even hammered out a final script, see:

I'm sorry, but I'll never trust Devin. I just can't take him seriously.

Webhead2006
03-20-2010, 04:35 PM
yea i doubt the script is in any major problem. sure its probably been going through a steady serious of rewrites since when ever the first draft was given into marvel and oked by them. They are probably like on 5th or 6th draft and will be fine tuning things probably right up to shooting starts.

Marx
03-20-2010, 05:20 PM
Weaving is a tremendous actor. I think he would be great as Red Skull.

Webhead2006
03-20-2010, 05:34 PM
i totally agree marx and it should be fun to see how they will go with red skull's look. since he can play characters well in mask and all that.

Chewy
03-22-2010, 05:55 PM
Variety says Hugo Weaving is definitely playing Red Skull
Chris Evans will don the star-spangled superhero suit to play Captain America for Marvel Entertainment.

Evans, who was made the offer late last week, beat out a number of thesps including John Krasinksi, Chace Crawford, Ryan Phillippe, Garrett Hedlund, Michael Cassidy, Patrick Flueger, Scott Porter and Wilson Blethel to land the role of Steve Rogers.

Deal calls for Evans to star in at least three "Captain America" movies, as well as "The Avengers," which will assemble Iron Man, Thor and the Incredible Hulk in one pic.

First introduced in the 1940s, the character is a sickly young man who is turned into the perfect human weapon to aid the United States' war effort during World War II when injected with a super soldier serum. His costume resembles the American flag and he flings an indestructible shield as his primary weapon.

Joe Johnston will direct "The First Avenger: Captain America" this summer. Hugo Weaving will play the villain, Red Skull. Film is slated to unspool July 22, 2011. Paramount will distribute.

Evans had already signed on to star in New Regency's comedy "What's Your Number," with Anna Faris, that is skedded to shoot this summer.

Marvel already had a relatinship with Evans, with the thesp having previously played the role of Johnny Storm, aka the Human Torch, in Fox's two "Fantastic Four" movies.

He will also appear in the adaptation of DC Comics' "The Losers" in April, and "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World," based on the Oni Press graphic novels SOURCE (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118016757.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&ref=vertfilm)

WillardNation
03-22-2010, 06:09 PM
*subscribes*

Whiskey Tango
03-22-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm still waiting for somene in that other thread to explain to me how Weaving is 'generic'.

But great news, things are rolling now!

FaT_tONle
03-22-2010, 06:16 PM
Oh c'mon... fanboys were even admitting they weren't throwing his name down because it would have been "too obvious fanboy casting". This casting just seems to convenient for my liking. I like it when it's more of a blindsider like a Ledger or something of that nature. I get that not every casting is going to spark that "wow" factor, but that's what I expected with this movie. I was wrong.

Whiskey Tango
03-22-2010, 06:26 PM
I must have missed that memo. Oh well.

That person
03-22-2010, 08:02 PM
Oh c'mon... fanboys were even admitting they weren't throwing his name down because it would have been "too obvious fanboy casting". This casting just seems to convenient for my liking. I like it when it's more of a blindsider like a Ledger or something of that nature. I get that not every casting is going to spark that "wow" factor, but that's what I expected with this movie. I was wrong.

To be fair, Jack Nicholson is pretty much the most uninspired choice imaginable for (lunatic), but tends to do a great job. Yeah, it's type casting, but it's well done type casting.

FaT_tONle
03-22-2010, 08:05 PM
Beetlejuice wasn't exactly Mr. Wayne either...

roach
03-22-2010, 08:09 PM
My Life wasnt Superman either

GNR
03-22-2010, 08:25 PM
I think Hugo as the Skull isn't much of an inspired choice.I'd rather see someone a bit younger.

Then again,it all depends what direction they go with RS.I hope they stray away from the "mouthy arch nemesis with endless henchman" route and actually make the Skull a formidable badass/nazi version of a super soldier.

Spider-Bat
03-22-2010, 10:54 PM
I haven't been on here in awhile and just saw that Hugo's playing the Red Skull, that's perfect!

Good casting. I've always thought he'd make a good comic book villian. I always thought he'd be good for Sinestro in Green Lantern but this is cool too!:cap:

Webhead2006
03-23-2010, 01:39 AM
hopefully so chewy hugo will be a great pick for red skull hopefully we will know 100% shortly now with evans confirmed as cap.

WillardNation
03-23-2010, 02:08 AM
it was confirmed this afternoon

Webhead2006
03-23-2010, 02:17 AM
well i meant marvel still hasnt said anything yet about evans and weaving like how the others marvel movies stuff and havent made a cap page just yet. I am sure hugo is skull which i am happy for.

Webhead2006
03-23-2010, 02:17 AM
edit

Webhead2006
03-23-2010, 02:17 AM
edit

Juha
03-23-2010, 02:29 AM
I've been lobbying Weaving for quite some time now when it comes to playing a comic book super villain. So my prayers have been answered. I'm so glad he finally becomes a part of the Marvel family. I also think that the role of Red Skull suits him perfectly.

I'm not too sure about Johnston. I'm not too sure about Evans. I'm not too sure about the script. But I'm definitely sure about Weaving. The man will deliver.

Webhead2006
03-23-2010, 03:14 AM
i totally cant wait to see what they do with red skull and his look.

Brian Braddock
03-23-2010, 07:31 AM
So far we have the possibility of Chris Evans vs Hugo Weaving, with other casting choices to follow.

Not bad; not bad at all.

KangConquers
03-23-2010, 10:10 AM
I'm betting before April 1st we have Skull finalized and Bucky + Peggy Carter cast. Over the course of April, I bet we see all of the bit roles, extras, minor villains, and Invaders cast.

Chewy
03-23-2010, 11:17 AM
Skull was already finalized - the Evans casting reports from yesterday say Weaving is set to play the role

FaT_tONle
03-23-2010, 11:36 AM
So far we have the possibility of Chris Evans vs Hugo Weaving, with other casting choices to follow.

Not bad; not bad at all.

I will say it has the potential to be better than Neo vs Smith, I just hope Weaving has some gas left and they don't have to CGI and stunt double everything.

THE MR. TERRIFIC
03-23-2010, 12:47 PM
I'm actually looking forward to this line up so far!

Doctor Jones
03-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Is Bucky confirmed to be in the film?

Maybe the female lead will be cast this week?

Spider-Fan
03-23-2010, 02:09 PM
I don't see why they'd cut Bucky out of the film.

I think the female will prob be next, now that we have Cap and Skull. Hopefully we get her and Bucky both this week :up:

Nirvana
03-23-2010, 02:25 PM
William H. Macy should be Dr. Abraham Erskine.

Brian Braddock
03-23-2010, 02:41 PM
Macy would be good no doubt but I'm still plumping for the left-of-field casting of Keitel.

:D

Nightwing
03-23-2010, 02:55 PM
So far we have the possibility of Chris Evans vs Hugo Weaving, with other casting choices to follow.

Not bad; not bad at all.
:up:

roach
03-23-2010, 03:07 PM
I don't see why they'd cut Bucky out of the film.

I think the female will prob be next, now that we have Cap and Skull. Hopefully we get her and Bucky both this week :up:

From the blurbs the director put out I dont see them doing Bucky