The Official Transformers 3 News And Speculation Thread

[Theweepeople]

Right now the only positive thing I can say about this production is Megan "I can't act to save my life" Fox won't be in the sequel. ROTF was such a disappointment that I won't be seeing this sequel if I hear it has any of the following problems:

1. More vulgar and crude jokes. Isn't this movie supposed to be for kids?
2. New pointless human characters and more screen time for Sam's parents.
3. The twins getting significant screen time over characters that aren't complete morons.
4. Wheelie getting significant screen time.
5. Most of the autobots and decepticons not getting character development for the third time.
6. Bumblebee not speaking. I thought this issue was resolved at the end of the first transformers film.
7. Seeing human weapons easily take out decepticons.

I'm predicting this movie will have the lowest domestic gross(290-310 million) of the series if it suffers from any of these problems and could kill off the franchise.

[Golgo-13]

actually the original toy line is the first source material....but it really doesn't matter what came first as 8 DIFFERENT animated series have borne the name 'Transformers' prior to any film coming out....i have an 8 yr old nephew who's grown up on Transformers Armada and Transformers Cybertron.....you tell him about 'source material':dry:

The original toy line wasn't even called Transformers (if you're referring to the Japanese toy-line that Hasbro bought & molded into what we now know as Transformers). Hasbro bought the toys, and worked with Marvel to come up with a rough outline for the concept, then writers came up with backgrounds for each of the characters- thus the birth of the Transformers world. Many ppl fail to realize that G1 is the true TF source...

[SpiderByte]

Right now the only positive thing I can say about this production is Megan "I can't act to save my life" Fox won't be in the sequel. ROTF was such a disappointment that I won't be seeing this sequel if I hear it has any of the following problems:

1. More vulgar and crude jokes. Isn't this movie supposed to be for kids?
2. New pointless human characters and more screen time for Sam's parents.
3. The twins getting significant screen time over characters that aren't complete morons.
4. Wheelie getting significant screen time.
5. Most of the autobots and decepticons not getting character development for the third time.
6. Bumblebee not speaking. I thought this issue was resolved at the end of the first transformers film.
7. Seeing human weapons easily take out decepticons.

I'm predicting this movie will have the lowest domestic gross(290-310 million) of the series if it suffers from any of these problems and could kill off the franchise.


Weird thing about that....right after Jetfire teleports them to Egypt, Wheelie basically vanishes for the rest of the film.

Since a tiny RC car can't possibly get to the pyramids on his own. So Wheelie's basically stuck in Egypt.

[Theweepeople]

Weird thing about that....right after Jetfire teleports them to Egypt, Wheelie basically vanishes for the rest of the film.

Since a tiny RC car can't possibly get to the pyramids on his own. So Wheelie's basically stuck in Egypt.

Hopefully, Wheelie is lost forever or was destroyed in the final battle. Although nothing would make me happier to see him and the twins get incinerated by decepticons in the opening scene of Transformers 3.

[bapi]

Rosie Huntington-Whiteley? (http://www.geekweek.com/2010/05/rosie-huntingtonwhiteley-to-replace-megan-fox-in-transformers-3.html)

Looks like younger Bar Refaeli...

[*Dead*End*]

Weird thing about that....right after Jetfire teleports them to Egypt, Wheelie basically vanishes for the rest of the film.

Since a tiny RC car can't possibly get to the pyramids on his own. So Wheelie's basically stuck in Egypt.

Well we do see him after the teleportation. Here at the border, and then under the great pyramids: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6269/44649179.png

Sorry, just felt like capturing stills from my DVD :yay:

[Jake Cassidy]

The original toy line wasn't even called Transformers (if you're referring to the Japanese toy-line that Hasbro bought & molded into what we now know as Transformers). Hasbro bought the toys, and worked with Marvel to come up with a rough outline for the concept, then writers came up with backgrounds for each of the characters- thus the birth of the Transformers world. Many ppl fail to realize that G1 is the true TF source...

That doesn't mean that elements of all the other incarnations can't be included.

[Jake Cassidy]

Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz, Sideswipe, Ironhide and Ratchet have all been pretty spot on so far, we just havent had the chance to get to know most of them.

They nailed Sideswipe's character with 1 scene. :yay:

[Figs]

1. More vulgar and crude jokes. Isn't this movie supposed to be for kids?

Knowing that Bay is still in charge, i'm almost positive there will be stupid and crude humour in the third. Hopefully it's nowhere near as much as the second film had though.

2. New pointless human characters and more screen time for Sam's
parents.

Considering they cast Patrick Dempsey and Alan Tudyk and the parents are returning don't get your hopes up. Who wants to bet that Alan Tudyk will be one of the many:whatever: comedic characters in this? Any takers? Nope, didn't think so. :woot: Also, that lame ass roommate friend of Sam's might return too. :csad:

3. The twins getting significant screen time over characters that aren't complete morons.

They were shown in on set pictures already so that definitely doesn't get me very excited for this film. Let's hope they only get a scene or two, two at the very most and hopefully quick ones. Honestly and i'm not joking at all, if I hear from fans that come on to post that they saw the movie and they say the Twins are in a good number of scenes again...i'll probably wait to rent this *****.

4. Wheelie getting significant screen time.

Which one was Wheelie? I take it he was the one who split that Decepticon in half(while it was still a car).

5. Most of the autobots and decepticons not getting character development for the third time.

This will probably be the same as the first two. They'll mainly be there for action and dialogue with the human characters. I don't expect them to show any sadness, anger or other big emotions from them.

6. Bumblebee not speaking. I thought this issue was resolved at the end of the first transformers film.

Personally I didn't mind that they made him talk through the radio again because that horrible voice they gave him at the end of the first film sounded like some old british child molester/rapist. I know that's a weird description but when I hear that voice that's the first thing that pops into my head.

7. Seeing human weapons easily take out decepticons.

Same here but don't expect that to change either. I agree with those that say this movie can't only be about the Transformers due to budget reasons as well as you do in fact need human characters to ground the movie and make it a bit relatable to the audience. My problem is that they need to make the Autobots our protectors from the Decepticons and not someone the humans team up with. Knowing Bay, he'll have the army/military have a big role in the battles and easily own some of the Decepticons again.

I'm predicting this movie will have the lowest domestic gross(290-310 million) of the series if it suffers from any of these problems and could kill off the franchise.

That depends on how many people actually liked the second film. It had great numbers in the theatre as well as home video sales but who knows how many of those people who saw it in the theatre came out liking it. Looking at the DVD/Blu-Ray sales, i'm expecting the third one to do real well though.

For those that think i'm a huge "hater" on this next film or the series overall...save it. I really enjoyed the first film despite some lame humour here and there, needing some more interaction with the Autobots and Decepticons and more with Megatron. The second film was such a disappointment and just an overall crappy film that my excitement levels are veeery low for this third film. I'm on the fence bigtime with this film.

[Jake Cassidy]

Figs,

Wheelie was the little robot who helped Sam and the others find Jetfire and the Matrix.

Sideswipe is the 1 who cut the car in half. He's a badass.

[Figs]

Figs, Wheelie was the little robot who helped Sam and the others find Jetfire and the Matrix.

Sideswipe is the 1 who cut the car in half. He's a badass.

The one that started humping Fox's leg?

[Chris B]

Many ppl fail to realize that G1 is the true TF source...

Problem with that is its the equivalent of saying that only Spider-Man stories written by Stan Lee are the true source and nothing else counts. The other incarnations that the TF universe have contributed just as G1 did to the franchise.

[Jake Cassidy]

The one that started humping Fox's leg?

Yes. Other than that I thought he was funny. Honestly, If I was him I'd be humping her leg too. :woot:

[Ipodman]

Problem with that is its the equivalent of saying that only Spider-Man stories written by Stan Lee are the true source and nothing else counts. The other incarnations that the TF universe have contributed just as G1 did to the franchise.

But the stuff in the Transformers movies are not close to anything in any previous versions of Transformers

[Chris B]

But the stuff in the Transformers movies are not close to anything in any previous versions of Transformers

How so? They still follow the same story of Optimus Prime and the Autobots vs. Megatron and the Decepticons. They're still alien robots from Cybertron. The movies are no different than any of the other incarnations where they took the basic idea and did their own thing.

[Ipodman]

How so? They still follow the same story of Optimus Prime and the Autobots vs. Megatron and the Decepticons. They're still alien robots from Cybertron. The movies are no different than any of the other incarnations where they took the basic idea and did their own thing.

But really... I don't want them to do their own thing, especially "own thing" being "Michael Bay's thing".

Just keep it simple, remove all the fluff and gimmicks. Like the first Iron Man movie or Batman Begins. It will be good stuff.

But of course that's just me, everyone has their own expectations of what movies should be. :yay:

[Chris B]

But really... I don't want them to do their own thing, especially "own thing" being "Michael Bay's thing".

Just keep it simple, remove all the fluff and gimmicks. Like the first Iron Man movie or Batman Begins. It will be good stuff.

But of course that's just me, everyone has their own expectations of what movies should be. :yay:

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I have some criticisms of the films as well. I just see them as being like Beast Wars or Animated where they take the basic idea and go in their own direction.

[Ipodman]

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I have some criticisms of the films as well. I just see them as being like Beast Wars or Animated where they take the basic idea and go in their own direction.

ohok.

But for the first few films, I don't really think going into a new direction is going to help anyone.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

They nailed Sideswipe's character with 1 scene. :yay:

that they did

[BlackLantern]

ohok.

But for the first few films, I don't really think going into a new direction is going to help anyone.

Im sure Hasbro and Paramount feel helped out with the 1+ billion dollars both movies have generated

[dude love]

Rosie Huntington-Whiteley? (http://www.geekweek.com/2010/05/rosie-huntingtonwhiteley-to-replace-megan-fox-in-transformers-3.html)

Looks like younger Bar Refaeli...

I'm with JoBlo:

Rosie Huntington-Whiteley is currently dating Jason Statham. Hey! How about we cast him in TRANSFORMERS 3 and actually make this interesting?

[S.A.A.D.]

Right now the only positive thing I can say about this production is Megan "I can't act to save my life" Fox won't be in the sequel. ROTF was such a disappointment that I won't be seeing this sequel if I hear it has any of the following problems:

1. More vulgar and crude jokes. Isn't this movie supposed to be for kids?
It's PG-13,and not everyone is that easily offended. And it's not just
only aimed towards kids.
2. New pointless human characters and more screen time for Sam's parents.
Pointless no? The writing.
3. The twins getting significant screen time over characters that aren't complete morons.
They did get too much screen time over the new and cool Autobots(Jolt,Sideswipe,team Arcee).
4. Wheelie getting significant screen time.
Eh,I thought he was pretty likable.
5. Most of the autobots and decepticons not getting character development for the third time.
It's an improvement over Transformers,and at least they got more screen time.
6. Bumblebee not speaking. I thought this issue was resolved at the end of the first transformers film.
Disappointing,true.
7. Seeing human weapons easily take out decepticons.
Gotta make the military look good at times.

I'm predicting this movie will have the lowest domestic gross(290-310 million) of the series if it suffers from any of these problems and could kill off the franchise.

290$ million is too low imo.

[BlackLantern]

and regardless of quality or what the fandom thinks (and they are never wrong:whatever:)...the big effects driven movies always perform well overseas.....while this one might not make as much as ROTF, I think it will do well financially

[S.A.A.D.]

If this movie looks even better than the last two,then it's guaranteed to make more money. but if doesn't,it will make almost as much as the first
and last one. Or a little bit more but under what the second one made.

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm with JoBlo:

With Statham there they wouldn't need the Autobots at all. He'd take out all the Decepticons by himself. :woot:

[The Apatow Crew]

With Statham there they wouldn't need the Autobots at all. He'd take out all the Decepticons by himself. :woot:The Transporter in Transformers. That sells the movie enough right there.:awesome:

[SpiderByte]

I still want to see Statham as Cole in an Infamous movie, dammit!

http://thegameear.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/infamous_2_1024x768.jpg

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think any guy likes that, thickness and curves make a woman

I know a few who love very skinny girls :huh:.

They nailed Sideswipe's character with 1 scene. :yay:

That they did, thats why I hope we get more of him, he is the younger, untamed version of Sunstreaker in the comics and his arguments with Hound were always great, I hope we get some of that in TF3.

[Jake Cassidy]

I know a few who love very skinny girls :huh:.



That they did, thats why I hope we get more of him, he is the younger, untamed version of Sunstreaker in the comics and his arguments with Hound were always great, I hope we get some of that in TF3.


I like both. :woot:

I'd love to see Hound in the movie. They work with the military. Hes a military jeep. It shouldn't be that difficult. :yay:

[Theweepeople]

I know a few who love very skinny girls :huh:.



That they did, thats why I hope we get more of him, he is the younger, untamed version of Sunstreaker in the comics and his arguments with Hound were always great, I hope we get some of that in TF3.

I'm not sure if it's in the genes or not but, most of us black dudes have a thing for BBW women. AKA women with a lot of junk in the trunk. AKA women with a badonkadonk butt or bubble booty.

[cosmicherosa]

I still want to see Statham as Cole in an Infamous movie, dammit!

http://thegameear.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/infamous_2_1024x768.jpg

Absolutely. Would be an awesome story to put on screen, and Statham would be perfect

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^agreed

the trailer to the game that was shown in theaters was sick, would definitley make a great movie

[SpiderByte]

I played the demo about five times at the store.

Too bad it isn't on PC though :(

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm not sure if it's in the genes or not but, most of us black dudes have a thing for BBW women. AKA women with a lot of junk in the trunk. AKA women with a badonkadonk butt or bubble booty.

Wel, i'm a white guy and I dont find skinny girls attractive at all, I like my girls to have a bit of meat on them, something to hold onto, when a girl takes her top off I dont want to see her rib cage!

[DW4]

Rosie Huntington-Whiteley? (http://www.geekweek.com/2010/05/rosie-huntingtonwhiteley-to-replace-megan-fox-in-transformers-3.html)

Looks like younger Bar Refaeli...

Look he chose a person who probably can't even act better than Megan Fox herself.

She'll probably get the role after washing Bay's truck.


Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz, Sideswipe, Ironhide and Ratchet have all been pretty spot on so far, we just havent had the chance to get to know most of them. Agreed. Especially like the badass attitude of Ironhide yet he has the ability to be a leader if needed, really wished ROTF would of showed Ironhide taking more of a lead after Prime's death. I rewatched ROTF for some reason the other day and he actually had a good amount of lines, something I didn't notice before.

[chaseter]

Absolutely. Would be an awesome story to put on screen, and Statham would be perfect

Statham is a terrible actor. IMO Ben Foster would fill that role perfectly.

[bapi]

DEADLINE:

"UPDATE: The other actresses on the short-list have been informed that the female lead will go to Rosie Huntington-Whiteley, so unless things fall apart at the negotiating table, she's the new Transformers 3 gal."

[Dr Lee]

Where'd you hear that?

[BlackLantern]

Deadline Hollywood Daily....small site that gets a lot of news before the big sites get it

[The Apatow Crew]

So in other words, Boooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

Talking to Bay, Boo this man!!!!!!!

[Iron_Stark]

I hope they give this bony broad a couple of cheese burgers before filming starts.

[The Apatow Crew]

Like I said all the SPF are gonna go into making this chick look good.:o

So your out of luck if you were expecting new transformers.

[Dr Lee]

Well.... Epps is back...

Gibson tweeted earlier that he was starting filming today...

Any word on if Graham (The Brit) was returning?

[SpiderByte]

What I don't get is why people want less humans in the films. Sure, it cuts down on the robot's screentime, but half the story comes from them.

How can you have Optimus protecting the humans without having the humans be a factor? Then it would be just like the cartoon. I mean, there are tons of seens in the cartoons where human workplaces are destroyed. Collateral damage, destroyed buildings, etc.

The theme of TF3 will feature something that the cartoon always ignored: The majority of the humans. I mean, they are stuck in a war that they are not responsible for, none of them are a part of, and they lose the most. The humans have to clean up all the damage done because of the fighting, which was briefly adressed in TF2.

It would be as if two random people walked into your house and started brawling. You didn't ask them to come, and you don't want them to stay. You get dragged into something you shouldn't need to be.


They don't want to suffer for a war none of them caused.

Without the humans, the film would be even MORE plotless fighting.

[BlackLantern]

agreed Spider Byte....good show

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

agreed Spider Byte....good show

word

[sabetoonth]

other then the big ****ing robots, that is why i love TFs its a story about war that comes from some where else and we the people of earth have to be a part of it because the battlefield is now our planet, and we really cant do jack **** about it other then fight

[SpiderByte]

Exactly. But even if the Autobots win, the humans are still worse off. As long as they're on Earth, it's basically lose a few hundred thousand people or get wiped out.

Neither option is what they want, hence the humans wanting the Autobots to leave, since they think the Decepticons are only attacking Earth because the Autobots are there. (also mentioned in TF2)

Looks like one scene in TF2 established the theme for TF3. Hm.

[Doctor Jones]

Plus, you know, it's common ****ing sense since they don't have the budget to do a film with an all robot cast. And I'd just find that uninteresting. A huge thing about the Autobots has been on Earth and protecting humans. I can't get into a film with all robots who look like that. I know, I know, people must be thinking "With that logic, you're uninterested in all CG movies." Nope. These robots and how they look don't have much expression to them, though they tried to give them more, it just wouldn't work with a film dedicated to them. I think the idea of humans and technology working together, and in a time when technology can destroy us, is cool.

[The Apatow Crew]

Like I said before, the only way the people whining and crying will ever get there all Robot movie is through a cartoon movie or something that doesn't cost so much. I mean look at the budgets for the films. 200 mill and plus. and the robots aren't on screen much. Just imagine the total budget of the movie.

It be more then Avatar, like double of triple. No studio is gonna put out like 600 million or whoever much it would cost to make it. Thats just not smart business, thats why the humans are there and people are just gonna either have to learn to live with it or just not watch the movies. or even better yet watch the Transformers movie that's from the 80.s and I have nothing against that movie, I like it and own it on dvd.

[BlackLantern]

people just want it to look exactly like the G1 cartoon because apparently (I missed this bit) that's the only version of Transformers ever and the only one that counts

[Dr Lee]

Interesting stuff seen on TF3 set in Indiana... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amu11x4MIP8)

Ironhide
intact ICT
Spilt ICT
unfinished body kit for the front half of the ICT

and the most interesting item..

What looks to me to be a return capsule from an apollo space rocket...

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

people just want it to look exactly like the G1 cartoon because apparently (I missed this bit) that's the only version of Transformers ever and the only one that counts

I must have missed that bit too as both "Animated" and "Beast Wars" are excellent shows

[Avangarde]

people just want it to look exactly like the G1 cartoon because apparently (I missed this bit) that's the only version of Transformers ever and the only one that counts

Actually just for reference sake, back when TF1 was in production Michael Bay said that they were basing the movie on the Generation 1 Transformers. It was this statement that screwed him over, all he had to say was "this is a new version of Transformers", it would have saved so much confusion and probably eased things with the fanboys.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^well that would be it then

you don't claim your movie is based off something specific when it's clearly not

[Ipodman]

I actually enjoyed Michael Bay's version of the Transformers... but if it was more G1 orientated it would have been better

[BlackLantern]

and if wishes were horses, we'd all be knee deep in ****

[MessiahDecoy123]

^well that would be it then

you don't claim your movie is based off something specific when it's clearly not
People would expect G1 no matter what. G1 is the series that reasonated the most with the general public and became a pop culture icon.

No one would no who Optimus Prime, Megatron or Starscream were if it wasn't for G1. If Bay wanted to start with a clean slate he shouldn't have used G1 characters and instead saved them for another adaptation.

But that would defeat the purpose of naming the movie "Transformers".

[Ipodman]

I wanna see the decepticons flying together in the new movie...

No matter what version of the cartoon you like the most... I've always remembered the decepticons flying together.

In the movies, there are cool shots of the aubots racing down the highway and stuff, but there doesnt seem to be any shots of the decepticons moving in a group are there?

[BlackLantern]

because they are malcontents....they really don't like each other, they just all hate the Autobots

[Ipodman]

Yea... so thats one thing I hope to be improved on in the next movie...

[MessiahDecoy123]

because they are malcontents....they really don't like each other, they just all hate the Autobots
When was this established?

The decepticons are like any army or tribe. They work together for a common cause. But they have preferences who they like to work with. Only Shockwave likes to work alone, most others like to work with similar class of warriors. Like Insecticons work with Insecticons, Constructicons like to work with Constructicons. The same way Marines like to work with Marines or Army rangers like to work with other Army rangers.

and every set of warriors have their own motivations for fighting for the deceptiocon side. The insecticons fight purely for energon, constructicons fight mainly out of loyalty to megatron. But they do fight in groups.

[BlackLantern]

It's just what I figured...you don't see them hanging out, they just find the Autobots and attack

[SpiderByte]

Megatron and Starscream sure as hell don't like each other. I'm pretty sure that the only reason Megatron keeps him is for number strength.

Oh, and Black Lantern, you have exactly 50000 posts now. Nice.

[MessiahDecoy123]

It would be nice to see Megatron and Shockwave use different methods to get factions to follow them.

Sometimes fear, sometimes greed and sometimes power.

Characters having special motivations can only add to the story. After all, Transformers aren't just robots, they have individual feelings, hopes, and fears. But you wouldn't know that watching the Bay movies.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Megatron and Starscream sure as hell don't like each other. I'm pretty sure that the only reason Megatron keeps him is for number strength.

and we know that simply because of one throw away line with Megatron telling Starscream he's disappointed.

weak.

[chaseter]

No, we know from the years of source material where Starscream always wants to take over and kill Megatron and Megatron keeping him constantly in his sight because he knows that fact.

From the movies, Megatron is disappointed in Starscream in the first one and constantly berates him. Same with the second movie. Megatron does not like Starscream and Starscream hates but fears Megatron.

[Mr. Earle]

In the comics i think that Megatron is keeping him around because he is a smart and deadly decepticon. In the movies he seems to be keeping him around because even if he decided to rebel, he's a worthless fighter. I mean the dude can barely walk the way he is shaped. Primed owned him in the forest!

[Avangarde]

Friends were far and few between in the Decepticon camp, they constantly bickered between each other but when it came to fighting Autobots they kind of had a comrade thing going.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Friends were far and few between in the Decepticon camp, they constantly bickered between each other but when it came to fighting Autobots they kind of had a comrade thing going.
Eh, I disagree. There was much more insurrection in the Decepticons, but Skywarp and Thundercracker were clearly depicted as friends, as were the Triplechangers, as were the Constructicons. Even Megatron had a very close friendship with Soundwave. Starscream was really the only outsider amongst the core group (not counting Insecticons), and since he got a disproportionate amount of facetime he made things seem a lot less cohesive than they were. There are plenty of examples of Decepticons palling around, most noteably in "Microbots" the Decepticons all got drunk together.

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, we know from the years of source material where Starscream always wants to take over and kill Megatron and Megatron keeping him constantly in his sight because he knows that fact.
I was referring to the Bay's depiction of decepticons.

From the movies, Megatron is disappointed in Starscream in the first one and constantly berates him. Same with the second movie. Megatron does not like Starscream and Starscream hates but fears Megatron.
Megatron doesn't constantly berate Starscream in either movie. What dialogue are you referring to other than the "disappointed" line?

[Spider-Fan]

I think these films make the Decepticons not threatening. Pretty much, the autobots own them. How can I feel like the autobots are in danger if the threat is not sufficient? Megatron in TF1 was awesome and owned Prime. He was the only one that felt like a threat (well...Starscream too since Starscream pretty much did nothing but own jets and bomb the hell out of the autobots.). But, RotF, the decepticons were worthless. Prime constantly was beating multiple ones at a time, even with Megatron being IN the group...where as in TF1, Megatron was clearly stronger. Not to mention Super Prime thrashes both the Fallen and Megatron with ease. Again, where is the threat? It just seems like the Autobots overall are the better fighting race, when the Decepticons are SUPPOSED to be. These films get a core concept wrong. The Decepticons feel like the ones fighting an uphill battle, not the Autobots. That has to change.

[SpiderByte]

and we know that simply because of one throw away line with Megatron telling Starscream he's disappointed.

weak.

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/9186/tf2_megatron_starscream.jpg

I'm more than certain he does not like him.

[Chris B]

I really hope they show Starscream's sarcastic side this time around. I mean looking back to ROTF or TF1, it would've been just like him to make some sort of crack to Megatron about getting killed by a human kid or crashlanding on a planet and getting experimented on by it inhabitants.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I really hope they show Starscream's sarcastic side this time around. I mean looking back to ROTF or TF1, it would've been just like him to make some sort of crack to Megatron about getting killed by a human kid or crashlanding on a planet and getting experimented on by it inhabitants.

agreed

I don't think Bay really captured Starscream's personality yet

he definitley needs to do this in the third and give SS a bigger role as well.

[SpiderByte]

They edged towards it in TF2. It's a step. Not a big one, but a step.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah... I don't like the whole idea of a Victoria Secret fashion model... who doesn't even have acting experience in this movie.

Jeez, just when I thought things were going well. Well... at least the twins are gone?

[Spider-Fan]

Things won't be going well as long as Bay is in charge.

[Ipodman]

Yeah... I don't like the whole idea of a Victoria Secret fashion model... who doesn't even have acting experience in this movie.

Jeez, just when I thought things were going well. Well... at least the twins are gone?

There was news that The Twins were gone. But they were spotted on set

And then Megan Fox was gone... but she was spotted on set.

[Marvin]

agreed

I don't think Bay really captured Starscream's personality yet

he definitley needs to do this in the third and give SS a bigger role as well.

um..the writers

[BlackLantern]

Things won't be going well as long as Bay is in charge.

its gone over 1 Billion dollars worth of well so far

[kickass]

I'm just so happy to see all the people hating on Megan Fox are now getting someone potentially worse than her. Which is exactly what I said would happen.

Bravo Mr. Bay :)

[The Apatow Crew]

its gone over 1 Billion dollars worth of well so farBut it needs to be more artistic for other people want to claim to like it and need hide in the closet about liking these movies.


Cause you know people don't wanna admit to liking a movie another person or group doesn't like. it's like a cool thing or what the "hip" crowd does.

Everything needs to be REAL And SERIOUS! Well, as much as you can in a Giant Robot movie.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't think anyone is saying that. People who think it deserves to be real are taking stupid pills. All I want is fun crazy stuff, but stuff that I can watch without it insulting my intelligence. I don't mind Bay using hot chicks in his movies, it's actually kind of nice how he does it, because not everyone does it anymore. But I liked Megan in the first because she was likeable and she wasn't hyped up or a sex symbol yet. So we could watch the film without thinking "Megan Fox is in this! My God!" We all noticed her and her hotness, but I didn't enjoy the first souly because of Megan Fox. It had what I mentioned. And Fox served a nice purpose to the story. It wasn't anything major, but unlike the second film, I didn't feel like the hype was totally on her. I just felt in the second, they were capitalizing on her hotness and she didn't do much.

Now having a Victoria Secret model with no experience isn't fixing anything. If she can act and serve purpose, then I'm fine. But I have doubts she can act. Why shouldn't I be worried?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Yeah... I don't like the whole idea of a Victoria Secret fashion model... who doesn't even have acting experience in this movie.

Jeez, just when I thought things were going well. Well... at least the twins are gone?

From set pictures it looks like the twins are back, but have a different color scheme.

[The Apatow Crew]

I don't think anyone is saying that. People who think it deserves to be real are taking stupid pills. All I want is fun crazy stuff, but stuff that I can watch without it insulting my intelligence. I don't mind Bay using hot chicks in his movies, it's actually kind of nice how he does it, because not everyone does it anymore. But I liked Megan in the first because she was likeable and she wasn't hyped up or a sex symbol yet. So we could watch the film without thinking "Megan Fox is in this! My God!" We all noticed her and her hotness, but I didn't enjoy the first souly because of Megan Fox. It had what I mentioned. And Fox served a nice purpose to the story. It wasn't anything major, but unlike the second film, I didn't feel like the hype was totally on her. I just felt in the second, they were capitalizing on her hotness and she didn't do much.

Now having a Victoria Secret model with no experience isn't fixing anything. If she can act and serve purpose, then I'm fine. But I have doubts she can act. Why shouldn't I be worried?Hey, it takes alot of skills and acting to walk around in your underwear and not say a thing, with just a bored look on your face.:o

[Marvin]

I don't think anyone is saying that. People who think it deserves to be real are taking stupid pills. All I want is fun crazy stuff, but stuff that I can watch without it insulting my intelligence. I don't mind Bay using hot chicks in his movies, it's actually kind of nice how he does it, because not everyone does it anymore. But I liked Megan in the first because she was likeable and she wasn't hyped up or a sex symbol yet. So we could watch the film without thinking "Megan Fox is in this! My God!" We all noticed her and her hotness, but I didn't enjoy the first souly because of Megan Fox. It had what I mentioned. And Fox served a nice purpose to the story. It wasn't anything major, but unlike the second film, I didn't feel like the hype was totally on her. I just felt in the second, they were capitalizing on her hotness and she didn't do much.

Now having a Victoria Secret model with no experience isn't fixing anything. If she can act and serve purpose, then I'm fine. But I have doubts she can act. Why shouldn't I be worried?

I mostly agree witht this, I must curuious how many "ugly" lead females are around in hollwood. or is this just one more thing bay is responsible for.

[Ipodman]

But it needs to be more artistic for other people want to claim to like it and need hide in the closet about liking these movies.


Cause you know people don't wanna admit to liking a movie another person or group doesn't like. it's like a cool thing or what the "hip" crowd does.

Everything needs to be REAL And SERIOUS! Well, as much as you can in a Giant Robot movie.

oh well, then I'm the exception.

The second movie was my third favorite movie of 2009 :woot:

[Doctor Jones]

That worries me what your first two are.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^ :hehe:

Wolverine and Terminator Salvation?





(btw, I enjoyed TS, not trashing it in any way, dispite its flaws).

[Jake Cassidy]

ROTF was my 1st favourite movie of 2009. :woot:

[Marvin]

its the one movie I can watch again from 2009

[Doctor Jones]

It's the only one I can watch once from 2009.

[Doctor Jones]

ROTF was my 1st favourite movie of 2009. :woot:

Dude, was that like the only movie you saw in 2009? :huh:

[AnorexicBatman]

Jake Cassidy & Marvin need to have their mouths washed with soap then sent to their rooms without supper to think about what they said.

[BlackLantern]

well its cooler to hate on "Star Trek" than it is to hate on Transformers....gives you more fanboy cred

[Jake Cassidy]

Who said I hated Star Trek? I ****in' love Star Trek.

[Jake Cassidy]

Dude, was that like the only movie you saw in 2009? :huh:

Of course not, but it's still my favourite. You don't have to agree with me. You like what you like and I like what I like. That's just the way it is. :yay:

What was your favourite of '09. I just wanna know so I can act shocked and think, "How could anyone like a movie that I don't like?" :oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

Jake Cassidy & Marvin need to have their mouths washed with soap then sent to their rooms without supper to think about what they said.

I actually did have my mouth washed out with soap once. It wasn't that bad. :woot:

[Theweepeople]

I didn't watch that many movies last year but, the ones I saw that had replay value were Star Trek, Watchmen, and The Frog Princess. Terminator Salvation and Transformers had their moments but, I wouldn't give either movie a higher rating than a 6.5 out of 10.

[Jake Cassidy]

I only saw Watchmen for the first time last week. Didn't really like it that much, except for everything to do with Rorschach. He's great.

Star Trek is awesome.

[Marvin]

Jake Cassidy & Marvin need to have their mouths washed with soap then sent to their rooms without supper to think about what they said.

if I could use the same soap to wash all the fanboy propaganda off of these internets I would gladly eat that bar of soap for dinner.

[AnorexicBatman]

I didn't know constructive criticism was fanboy propaganda.
Spider-Man was a summer action film
Iron Man was a summer action film

Transformers 2 can only be considered poison.
It's in the same league as a Aaron Seltzer and Jason Friedburg "Movie"

[Marvin]

telling people to wash their mouths out with soap as if some sort of taboo laguage or faul language left their lips for simply stating that they enjoy a (taboo) film, never actually saying it was "Critical Quality," yes strikes me as more of the same old fan boy propaganda.

Not sure how TF2 can be considered poison, you'll have to enlighten me on that one my friend.

[BlackLantern]

constructive criticism is supposed to be contructive, as in providing a reasonable suggestion to improve

saying that someone is less intelligent or should have their mouth washed out for enjoying a movie that YOU don't like is "fanboy propaganda"

[AnorexicBatman]

The way they said it just rubbed me the wrong way. Happy now? I'm sorry!
Marvin claimed "It was the only one he could watch again from 2009" as if it was the best movie released that year and superior in quality.

You are entitled to your opinion however.

EDIT:

Even if you claim it is propaganda you can't deny the fact that it was one of the worst and offensive movies released that year. It's not just bad, it's crude, sexist and racist.

Yet people tolerate this stuff, I don't understand why.
Horror and action films have suffered the same fate as of late becoming cheap and stupid.

[BlackLantern]

Ill give you crude....not so sure about racist, considering the fact that the voice actors for the Twins came up with a lot of the dialogue on their own

[Ipodman]

According to the poll on the Revenge of the Fallen board... most people thought it was "awesome"

[BlackLantern]

I will always maintain that film is subjective....I know a couple people that truly liked "In the name of the King" or as I like to call it, Turkish goes Medieval....if there are people out there that like that hunk of ****, then anything is possible

[Marvin]

The way they said it just rubbed me the wrong way. Happy now? I'm sorry!
Marvin claimed "It was the only one he could watch again from 2009" as if it was the best movie released that year and superior in quality.

You are entitled to your opinion however.

wow, an apology on these boards, things must have changed since I left.

anyway we're all entitled to opinoins, it just seems whenever TF movies are the subject it most always turns into something else. Like when Ebert called the people(and there were lots) who enjoyed it "less intelligent."
That being said, I never said the film was the best of the year, just that it was the only one I could sit through again. Million Dollar Baby and Shawshank are among the films I consider "best" but I'd be hard pressed to sit and watch them at any old time.


EDIT:

Even if you claim it is propaganda you can't deny the fact that it was one of the worst and offensive movies released that year. It's not just bad, it's crude, sexist and racist.

Yet people tolerate this stuff, I don't understand why.
Horror and action films have suffered the same fate as of late becoming cheap and stupid.

This is where the argument loses me honestly, there is so much hyperbole thrown around when it comes to TF and bay in general(amost ironic considering how excessive his style is), but in reality there are actual films that hit the (negative) notes we all claim his films hit, and what's worse is that they usually get praised for it.

here are some of last years releases that are infact worthy of such sentiments.
{the very idea that this might get modded off is a testament to my point}

the hangover


crank 2


lastly district 9, nominated for best picture and perhaps the most offensive of all.
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as i recall they clearly use the name of a former nigerian president with reference to the cannibal gang.

I'm perfectly fine with everyone hating TF films, everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would just rather people be honest and agenda less about it. To claim that it's because the Transformer films are:
Racist,
Offensive,
Crude,
Tasteless,
Devioid of traditional plot,
Undermines it's drama with gags,
Shaky cam to the point of making one want to throw up,
Too Sex Driven.
..etc the list on goes on, to front that that is the reason why the film is the death of cinema and in the very same year give critical acclaim to films that actually have these "flaws" in spades is beyond lame. all said films recieved a fresh rating if I recall correctly.

I've had enough of the hyperbole surrounding TF criticism, if ppl don't like the films they should just say so, as opposed to attaching their dislike of the films to "real issues"

the question I would throw to everyone else is, did these films also "offend" you or was there just something special about the level of offensiveness in TF...

[BlackLantern]

well said Marvin...people just want to hate on the Bay, and thats fine....cry Bay, cry while you sit in your gold mansion

[AnorexicBatman]

Bay sits high atop his gold mansion paid for by the gullible fools who went to see his films refusing to increase their standards above the level of retards

DISCLAIMER: I'm calling the standard "retarded" not the people.

[BlackLantern]

if I want standards, Ill go elsewhere...if Im going to see a Bay movie, I know exactly what I am getting and, for the exception of The Island, I like all of his films

own 4 or 5 of them on DVD

[AnorexicBatman]

Good for you. The guy used to make pretty average films but with Transformers he decided to absolutely bat **** insane. Why? No one knows...

[Marvin]

4 out of 5?
which is your favorite?

[BlackLantern]

The Rock

and in my general opinion, The Rock is in the top 15 of greatest action films

[Marvin]

I see, what about the rock don't you like?
it's not my favourite but I've never heard anything bad about it

[BlackLantern]

did you misread my post? I love The Rock....the only one of his films I do not care for is "The Island", I think it was trying too hard to be clever

[Marvin]

no I read it fine, I'm just curious what if anything you would improve about it.

[BlackLantern]

there really isn't anything to improve IMO...the story is outlandish, but not garish...cast is really good...Sean Connery is still the ****ing man

[Figs]

The Rock

and in my general opinion, The Rock is in the top 15 of greatest action films

While The Rock may not be in my top 15 list of favorite or greatest action films it's definitely up there on my list and I will argue any day of the week that the film is in fact a damn good to great action film.

[S.A.A.D.]

I don't know what people's problem are here with people who like ROTF that know it wasn't a masterpiece,and why they won't let them have mixed feelings about it,for the most parts it's like you have to hate it because they hated it. :csad:

I'm tired of being forced to defend the movie.

[The Apatow Crew]

You know what I say? I like tons of movies no one likes or think are "crappy" but to quote the grandfather from the little known film "Angus" "Screw em!"

I'm not gonna only like certain films cause people say I have too.

[Jake Cassidy]

The Rock is 1 of the last great old school Die Hard style action movies imo. Before CGI took over.

[Jake Cassidy]

The way they said it just rubbed me the wrong way. Happy now? I'm sorry!
Marvin claimed "It was the only one he could watch again from 2009" as if it was the best movie released that year and superior in quality.

You are entitled to your opinion however.

EDIT:

Even if you claim it is propaganda you can't deny the fact that it was one of the worst and offensive movies released that year. It's not just bad, it's crude, sexist and racist.

Yet people tolerate this stuff, I don't understand why.
Horror and action films have suffered the same fate as of late becoming cheap and stupid.

That's not fact. That's an opinion. What some people find offensive, others don't.

[Jake Cassidy]

You know what I say? I like tons of movies no one likes or think are "crappy" but to quote the grandfather from the little known film "Angus" "Screw em!"

I'm not gonna only like certain films cause people say I have too.

Don't do that. You'll make them cry.

[Theweepeople]

Good for you. The guy used to make pretty average films but with Transformers he decided to absolutely bat **** insane. Why? No one knows...

I somewhat agree with you. Before Transformers I always saw Bay as an average to slightly above average action film maker whose movies inexplicably make hundreds of millions at the boxoffice.

Bad Boys1: The epitome of a mediocre action film.

The Rock: One of the best action films of the 90s. I think the talented Jerry Bruckheimer had a lot to do with this movie being great.

Armageddon: The film had it's moments but, overall it was a boring, bland, piece of crap.

Pearl Harbor: This was the first war movie I saw in which 70% of the film was unwatchable.

Bad Boys II: I've seen the film in portions. It looks slightly better than the first but, not good enough for me to watch the whole thing.

The Island: The one Bay film I know nothing about.

Transformers: A fun goofy entertaining film. However, the film could have been so much better with a revised script, less pointless human characters, and more transformer dialog.

Transformers 2: The only positive thing I have to say about the film are the special effects and action. Everything else is forgettable.

It's actually kind of weird to see the contrast in styles of plot, pacing, and humor for the Bayformers movies in comparison to Micheal's early work. Micheal did a good job with the humor in The Rock and I thought the majority of the characters were interesting in the film. All of the major and minor characters in that story had a few lines of dialog or scenes that made them look important.

The transformers movies are overflowing with crude jokes/bathroom humor and multiple characters with little to no development. This following video does a pretty good job of describing the thought process Micheal uses to develop the Transformers films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQsthDNGW0

[Jake Cassidy]

I like all of Bay's movies. In order:

1. The Rock
2. Transformers
3. Armageddon
4. ROTF
5. Bad Boys II
6. Bad Boys
7. Pearl Harbor
8. The Island

[The Apatow Crew]

I like all of Bay's movies. In order:

1. The Rock
2. Transformers
3. Armageddon
4. ROTF
5. Bad Boys II
6. Bad Boys
7. Pearl Harbor
8. The IslandI've either seen all of those or own them except for Pearl harbor.

[Jake Cassidy]

I own all of them. Pearl Harbor, as a whole is not that good, but the attack sequence is spectacular.

[The Apatow Crew]

I own all of them. Pearl Harbor, as a whole is not that good, but the attack sequence is spectacular.I own them all except PH and The Rock. Plus I have all the PD films, except for one.

[Chewy]

I'd rank them:

1. The Rock
2. Transformers
3. Bad Boys
4. Bad Boys II
5. The Island
6. Armageddon
7. Revenge of the Fallen
8. Pearl Harbor

I stop liking them after number 5.

[Jake Cassidy]

i own them all except ph and the rock. Plus i have all the pd films, except for one.

pd?

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm gonna have a Bay movie marathon as soon as I get some time off.

[Ipodman]

You guys don't like some Amardeggon?

I loved the whole story, and found it too be way more entertaining than Island or Pearl Habour.

If Island and pearl habour were shorter, they could have be better films. (am i right?)

heck, all of Bay's movie can be shorter by at least half an hour

[BlackLantern]

I liked Armageddon, though I am a sucker for disaster flicks....Towering Inferno, Volcano, Day After Tomorrow, Earthquake, Poseidon Adventure

[Dr Lee]

Not seen Armageddon, which is why it's not on my list...

1-The Rock
2-Transformers
3-Bad Boys
4-Bad Boys II
5-The Island
6-Pearl Harbour

[The Apatow Crew]

pd?Platinum Dunes.

[Marvin]

You guys don't like some Amardeggon?

I loved the whole story, and found it too be way more entertaining than Island or Pearl Habour.

If Island and pearl habour were shorter, they could have be better films. (am i right?)

heck, all of Bay's movie can be shorter by at least half an hour

not bad boys 1

[Jake Cassidy]

Platinum Dunes.

Oh yeah. :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

I liked Armageddon, though I am a sucker for disaster flicks....Towering Inferno, Volcano, Day After Tomorrow, Earthquake, Poseidon Adventure

Me too. I love Towering Inferno. Paul Newman and Steve McQueen in the same movie. You can't get much cooler than that. :yay:

I also like 2012. I actually wouldn't mind Roland Emmerich taking over TF. The action and FX would still be top-notch and most of the silliness would be gone.

[Lunar_Wolf]

This is amazing
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/02/lol-ben-kingsley-submits-video-audition-for-transformers-3/

[BlackLantern]

my thoughts...first on the Heidi Montag one, yes she defines the word "vapid" but she is an under the radar gun nut and that bumps her up a few notches in my book

and Sir Ben is just awesome

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

and Sir Ben is just awesome

:up:

[Optimus_Prime_]

I really hope they show Starscream's sarcastic side this time around. I mean looking back to ROTF or TF1, it would've been just like him to make some sort of crack to Megatron about getting killed by a human kid or crashlanding on a planet and getting experimented on by it inhabitants.
I actually hope they use more of the comic version. Outwardly loyal, inwardly conniving. The sarcasm is fine, but in the show it was done for a more comedic effect, and often Starscream was the butt of jokes. I think a fine line needs to be drawn much in the same way it was with Latta's other character; Cobra Commander. Comics obviously have the benefit of thought bubbles, which is why Starscream could get away with a rather bland outward persona in the comics. However I don't wish to see him use comedy that much either. Part of his demeanor is that he takes everything far too seriously, and thinks far too highly of himself which is why he is so unfit to lead.

[BlackLantern]

I never read the comics, actually didnt know there were any until after the run had ended

same with Gi Joe comics

[Chris B]

I actually hope they use more of the comic version. Outwardly loyal, inwardly conniving. The sarcasm is fine, but in the show it was done for a more comedic effect, and often Starscream was the butt of jokes. I think a fine line needs to be drawn much in the same way it was with Latta's other character; Cobra Commander. Comics obviously have the benefit of thought bubbles, which is why Starscream could get away with a rather bland outward persona in the comics. However I don't wish to see him use comedy that much either. Part of his demeanor is that he takes everything far too seriously, and thinks far too highly of himself which is why he is so unfit to lead.

I think it fits his arrogance to throw the occassional insult at Megatron and other Decepticons and express some sarcasm though. For me, part of the charm of the cartoon was the way they handled the Megatron/Starscream relationship. They don't need him to proclaim his desire to be leader in the movies, I'd just like to see more lines like "sometimes cowards do survive, albeit delivered and written more sarcastic.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't know what people's problem are here with people who like ROTF that know it wasn't a masterpiece,and why they won't let them have mixed feelings about it,for the most parts it's like you have to hate it because they hated it. :csad:

I'm tired of being forced to defend the movie.

Exactly, things just dont change on SHH, I dont care what anyone says, I have a blast when I watch ROTF.

[Golgo-13]

I really hope they show Starscream's sarcastic side this time around. I mean looking back to ROTF or TF1, it would've been just like him to make some sort of crack to Megatron about getting killed by a human kid or crashlanding on a planet and getting experimented on by it inhabitants.

I think Bay has COMPLETELY missed the mark with SS's personality. The SS i know is not this snivelling coward, who kisses Megatron's ass at every corner; Soundwave was moreso Megatron's chief boot licker. SS is supposed to be bold, and arrogant. SS is supposed to question Megatron's decisions. The SS know openly tells Megatron to his face that he feels he would make the better leader, and constantly talks about over throwing him. Bay's SS is a far cry from this. :down

[*Dead*End*]

Exactly, things just dont change on SHH, I dont care what anyone says, I have a blast when I watch ROTF.

Yeah :yay: remember the OPTIMIST PRIME thread, versus the NEGATRON thread here on SHH boards during the production of the past movies? I think that was a helpful way of keeping arguments to a minimum . . . unless of course arguments/debates are your thing :dry::yay:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Exactly, things just dont change on SHH, I dont care what anyone says, I have a blast when I watch ROTF.

same here, it's a damn FUN movie

enjoy it everytime I watch and can't wait for the 3rd

[Jake Cassidy]

I always watch both movies back to back.

[*Dead*End*]

I think I will also always enjoy both movies, even if I know them by heart.

[Optimus_Prime_]

I think Bay has COMPLETELY missed the mark with SS's personality. The SS i know is not this snivelling coward, who kisses Megatron's ass at every corner; Soundwave was moreso Megatron's chief boot licker. SS is supposed to be bold, and arrogant. SS is supposed to question Megatron's decisions. The SS know openly tells Megatron to his face that he feels he would make the better leader, and constantly talks about over throwing him. Bay's SS is a far cry from this. :down
Actually, that much is true of Starscream. Starscream thinks of himself very highly, but actually he is just a snivelling coward. Even though he acts as though he'd be a better leader than Megatron, even he knows this is not the case. This is evidenced heavily in the cartoon, but also in the comics. It was often in the cartoon where Megatron would minorly punish Starscream for disobedience and Starscream would immediately beg and plead for mercy and forgiveness. Even in his most brazen acts of defiance he still hid behind more powerful Decepticons like Shockwave and the Combaticons.

[terry78]

Starscream is a skilled fighter and dangerous, as seen in the movies and on the recent animated series, but if **** doesn't go his way, he's quick to turn and run.

[Golgo-13]

Actually, that much is true of Starscream. Starscream thinks of himself very highly, but actually he is just a snivelling coward. Even though he acts as though he'd be a better leader than Megatron, even he knows this is not the case. This is evidenced heavily in the cartoon, but also in the comics. It was often in the cartoon where Megatron would minorly punish Starscream for disobedience and Starscream would immediately beg and plead for mercy and forgiveness. Even in his most brazen acts of defiance he still hid behind more powerful Decepticons like Shockwave and the Combaticons.

When i said snivelling coward i meant the boot lickering, wimpy SS we got from Bay. I remember SS retreating all the time in the G1 cartoon and comics when things got too hot for him, and that's fine. But he never kissed Megatron's ass; he openly questioned his authority whenever he could, because he thought he was better than him....

[Jake Cassidy]

Starscream sucked up a couple of times. Mainly because he didn't want Megatron to kick his arse. :woot:

I do agree that he should have bigger balls in the movies.

Like Devastator. :oldrazz:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

yea, Bay definitley missed the mark on Starscream. Not once did I laugh, snicker or giggle :woot: when he was on screen

in the cartoons, he's the comedic relief. In the movies, he was anything but

[baerrtt]

Actually, that much is true of Starscream. Starscream thinks of himself very highly, but actually he is just a snivelling coward. Even though he acts as though he'd be a better leader than Megatron, even he knows this is not the case. This is evidenced heavily in the cartoon, but also in the comics. It was often in the cartoon where Megatron would minorly punish Starscream for disobedience and Starscream would immediately beg and plead for mercy and forgiveness. Even in his most brazen acts of defiance he still hid behind more powerful Decepticons like Shockwave and the Combaticons.

I concur and actually SS questioning Megatron's plans but whenever confronted never having the guts to back up his dissent made him even more cowardly than anything I seen in Bay's TF films. Logically why, in the old cartoon series, speak up if you know there isn't a damn thing you can directly do about it?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

same here, it's a damn FUN movie

enjoy it everytime I watch and can't wait for the 3rd

Same here, I cant help but enjoy it whenever I watch it.

I always watch both movies back to back.

I tried that the other week and loved it, definately doing it again before TF3.

[Jake Cassidy]

I watched them both again last night.

[Optimus_Prime_]

When i said snivelling coward i meant the boot lickering, wimpy SS we got from Bay. I remember SS retreating all the time in the G1 cartoon and comics when things got too hot for him, and that's fine. But he never kissed Megatron's ass; he openly questioned his authority whenever he could, because he thought he was better than him....
I think though the real issue is the lack of character development period. I don't think Starscream acted out of character, he just lacked the screentime to really hit all the nuances of his character. Yeah, Starscream has been seen ass-kissing on more than a few occasions, then quietly protesting behind the backs of his comrades. For example, in "Revenge of Bruticus" he asks Megatron sheepishly if he did a good job at the end of the episode. His only true act of outright ballsy defiance is in the movie when Megatron has one foot in the grave. You can pull out some key moments of his scheming, yeah, but that's because you have nearly 70 episodes versus 5 minutes of dialogue in ROTF. Also, his treacherous ways have, as of now, not been a plot point. I'd say he acted in character within the confines of the plot. Starscream isn't a universial backstabber, he picks and chooses his moments.

It's a shame they never explored the possibility of Starscream killing Megatron in the first movie.

[*Dead*End*]

There is news about Rosie being seen on set in a bathrobe, in the picture she is seen smoking, and with her hair up (and still blond), so she probably will be a different character from Mikaela.

Also there is another news about the D.C. shoot, where the producers were denied to film a car-race in the National Mall area.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Pictures dammit. :cmad:

:woot:

[Dr Lee]

Washington Vs Transformers 3 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-washington-dc-filming-plans--a-car-race-169897/)

EDIT- NEW PICTURES!!!!

Better view of Ratchet....TFW2005 Forum Thread link (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/307775-new-tf3-ratchet-picture.html)

EDIT 2 - and here's a link to the thread where i saw the Rosie image

TFW2005 Forum Thread Link (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/307762-rosie-huntington-whiteley-first-transformers-3-set-pic.html)

[<(o_o)>]

Washington Vs Transformers 3 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-washington-dc-filming-plans--a-car-race-169897/)

EDIT- NEW PICTURES!!!!

Better view of Ratchet....TFW2005 Forum Thread link (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/307775-new-tf3-ratchet-picture.html)

EDIT 2 - and here's a link to the thread where i saw the Rosie image

TFW2005 Forum Thread Link (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/307762-rosie-huntington-whiteley-first-transformers-3-set-pic.html)

This Rosie girl looks really hot in the link you posted, I just hope that she isn't playing Megan Fox's "Mikayla" role but probably will be. What's with the green Rachet? Is it a temporary change or will he look like that for the whole movie?

[Ipodman]

Ratchet's more of White now..... going for G1 colours I guess. Should have been white from the first movie... lots of people confused him with Bumblebee

And looks like Optimus is gonna have a scene with Ironhide and Ratchet? Cool

[chaseter]

Post the pictures in here instead of linking:cmad:

[BlackLantern]

too lazy to just click a link?? for shame

[chaseter]

It won't load here:o It says I have to log in to see the pictures...and that ain't happenin.

[Dr Lee]

Post the pictures in here instead of linking:cmad:

If i'd have had 20 minutes saving them all then getting Imageshack to work, then i would have done...:oldrazz:

EDIT- I'll have a go now and see if i can get them up here...

[chaseter]

Just quote and copy the image if they already uploaded them to a hosting site.

[Dr Lee]

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7561/screenshot20100607at604.png

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7561/screenshot20100607at604.png

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png

[The Apatow Crew]

http://i48.tinypic.com/21jvj0w.jpg

Look at those sexy boney hands and arms.

Plus it kinda looks like she's picking her nose in it.:o

[Dr Lee]

it's not the best shot of her, no.....

only real problem i have with it is she's smoking.... thats quite a turn off for me

[Silver Knight]

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7561/screenshot20100607at604.png

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7561/screenshot20100607at604.png

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png

Yesssssss I love the green!

[*Dead*End*]

Ratchet's more of White now..... going for G1 colours I guess. Should have been white from the first movie... lots of people confused him with Bumblebee

And looks like Optimus is gonna have a scene with Ironhide and Ratchet? Cool

In my opinion, the white evokes the association of a "doctor" look for Ratchet, perhaps this is an artistic choice due to the script calling for a scene/s with Ratchet as a doctor? I think that possibility is exciting :yay:



it's not the best shot of her, no.....

only real problem i have with it is she's smoking.... thats quite a turn off for me

I do see the cigarette, but I do not see the smoke??? :yay: Maybe it is one of those prop cigarettes with orange light at the end, they might add a CGI smoke later LOL j/k

Why would I want to make you like her better anyway Dr. Lee, when she's allegedly already dating Jason Statham. :oldrazz:

[Dr Lee]

She is? Darn.....

[*Dead*End*]

She is? Darn.....

Sorry (:csad::woot:), just looking out for you . . . wouldn't want you to spend your energies on someone, without knowing what you're in for first. :yay:

[Avangarde]

The new colour scheme for Ratchet is better then the old one, now if only Prime lost teh flamez :csad:

[Avangarde]

http://i48.tinypic.com/21jvj0w.jpg

Look at those sexy boney hands and arms.


Serious :huh:

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Crew just doesn't like her. I don't think he likes models in general. He's really weird. :woot:

[*Dead*End*]

The First TF3 poster/art:

http://www.**************.com/images/users/gallerypictures/12252L.jpg

from: **************.com

:yay:

[sabetoonth]

wow, an apology on these boards, things must have changed since I left.

anyway we're all entitled to opinoins, it just seems whenever TF movies are the subject it most always turns into something else. Like when Ebert called the people(and there were lots) who enjoyed it "less intelligent."
That being said, I never said the film was the best of the year, just that it was the only one I could sit through again. Million Dollar Baby and Shawshank are among the films I consider "best" but I'd be hard pressed to sit and watch them at any old time.




This is where the argument loses me honestly, there is so much hyperbole thrown around when it comes to TF and bay in general(amost ironic considering how excessive his style is), but in reality there are actual films that hit the (negative) notes we all claim his films hit, and what's worse is that they usually get praised for it.

here are some of last years releases that are infact worthy of such sentiments.
{the very idea that this might get modded off is a testament to my point}

the hangover


crank 2


lastly district 9, nominated for best picture and perhaps the most offensive of all.
A4Sxu2OrPMM
as i recall they clearly use the name of a former nigerian president with reference to the cannibal gang.

I'm perfectly fine with everyone hating TF films, everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would just rather people be honest and agenda less about it. To claim that it's because the Transformer films are:
Racist,
Offensive,
Crude,
Tasteless,
Devioid of traditional plot,
Undermines it's drama with gags,
Shaky cam to the point of making one want to throw up,
Too Sex Driven.
..etc the list on goes on, to front that that is the reason why the film is the death of cinema and in the very same year give critical acclaim to films that actually have these "flaws" in spades is beyond lame. all said films recieved a fresh rating if I recall correctly.

I've had enough of the hyperbole surrounding TF criticism, if ppl don't like the films they should just say so, as opposed to attaching their dislike of the films to "real issues"

the question I would throw to everyone else is, did these films also "offend" you or was there just something special about the level of offensiveness in TF...
:awesome:




http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png
Predators, wonder if theyll be any TFs turning into those guys

[AnorexicBatman]

Predator Drone = Lazerbeak! :up:

I wonder if you guys are hyped for the upcoming War For Cybertron video game
Then again, no humans in that one or Bay's Charlie Chaplin-esque timeless humor

[Darth Rodimus]

^Oh ya on the Lazerbeak predator.

I like the new look for Ratchet, but i like the fogs on BB in ROTF better then circle ones.

[sabetoonth]

i did a character bio, never got around to the drawing, where Scoponok had triple changer powers and the Pred drine was his third form

[dark_b]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/09/michael-bay-not-allowed-to-blow-up-pennsylvania-ave-for-transformers-3/

;)

[Chris B]

I like Ratchet's new paint job as well. Small nitpick would be I wish they used red instead of the lime green for the stripes on the side, but I'm glad he's now mostly white.

[BlackLantern]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/09/michael-bay-not-allowed-to-blow-up-pennsylvania-ave-for-transformers-3/

;)

thats ********.....Explosions and car chases are what makes America great

dammit Obama....

[Raiden]

http://i48.tinypic.com/21jvj0w.jpg

Wonder if she's nekkid underneath the bathrobe. :o Btw, she has some passing resemblance to Keira Knightley imo.

[The Apatow Crew]

thats ********.....Explosions and car chases are what makes America great

dammit Obama....He's gotta ruin everything!:cmad::o

[dark_b]

why is Rosie Huntington Whitely looking like a russian hooker on crack?

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah, she does look like a russian hooker on crack.

[Dr Lee]

i must be the only guy on here that actually thinks she looks good....

[Silver Knight]

T F 3 sounds corny and cheap.

[Ipodman]

Corny... were any of the first two movies even corny... I doubt this movie will be corny

Cheap? Hmm... we are getting fewer robots... I guess thats a good thing?

[Cth]

Someone brought up a good point on another board..

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png

These would be a great Laserbeak/Buzzsaw to complement Soundwave, given how both relate to one another both in their real world sense and how they'd work in Transformers.

Spying on Autobots, launching quick attacks, etc. Uploading data to Soundwave, etc.

[The Apatow Crew]

why is Rosie Huntington Whitely looking like a russian hooker on crack?What, your telling me she isn't?:oldrazz:

[Dr Lee]

James 'Uncle Phil' Avery confirmed as being alive and voicing Silverbolt in TF3 - Agent (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/james-avery-confirmed-as-voice-actor-for-transformers-3-169927/)

[Silver Knight]

Someone brought up a good point on another board..

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png

These would be a great Laserbeak/Buzzsaw to complement Soundwave, given how both relate to one another both in their real world sense and how they'd work in Transformers.

Spying on Autobots, launching quick attacks, etc. Uploading data to Soundwave, etc.

Will Soundwave even be in this movie?

[S.A.A.D.]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/308162-james-avery-confirmed-voice-work-tf3-3.html

His representatives have confirmed that he will be doing the voice of Silverbolt in Transformers 3.

[The Apatow Crew]

Uncle Phil!!!!!!

[dark_b]

i must be the only guy on here that actually thinks she looks good....noone said that hookers dont look good :woot:

[Chris B]

Someone brought up a good point on another board..

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4250/screenshot20100607at605.png

These would be a great Laserbeak/Buzzsaw to complement Soundwave, given how both relate to one another both in their real world sense and how they'd work in Transformers.

Spying on Autobots, launching quick attacks, etc. Uploading data to Soundwave, etc.

Would make sense. But at the same time looking at Scorponok and Ravage, I'd be inclined to think that Laserbeak would more likely be a missle-like pod or a part of Soundwave's alt. mode.

[Dr Lee]

Forgive me, but what was Silverbolts alt mode originally? Could this be him?

[Chris B]

Will Soundwave even be in this movie?

I'd be surprised if they pulled a disappearing act with him. Along with Megatron and Starscream, Soundwave has always been one of the top Decepticons and I think they realize that.

[J.Howlett]

Hope this hasn't been posted yet: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me

[The Apatow Crew]

Hope this hasn't been posted yet: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.meIt will also be in 3-D.
What a shocker there! So much for Bay's I hate 3d speech a while back.

[Dr Lee]

That is VERY interesting.....

[J.Howlett]

I don't think that's Bay's decision. It's clearly going to be shot on film...but it looks to be convert to 3D. That's all Paramount's doing.

[J.Howlett]

Unicron is the secret....how much do you guys want to bet?

[The Apatow Crew]

You know what? I'm down *****ing about 3d? You know why? Cause I don't have to see it, I can just see the 2d version. And as long as its around I will.

[J.Howlett]

The space race was all about either destroying Unicron or harnessing him. How does Shockwave fit in? I just don't see a legit reason why Shockwave would be against his former master in Megatron.

[*Dead*End*]

Killer ending . . . makes one wonder . . . end of the world? Planet Earth to be snacked on by Unicron?

[Sawyer]

John Turturro's back?

:barf:

[Jake Cassidy]

Hope this hasn't been posted yet: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me

This sounds great. I'm glad that they're getting rid of the goofy humour. I'm thinking the Twins are going to get killed off violently at the beginning.

It's great that John Turturro's back. :yay:

Shockwave is awesome. :woot:

I'm really looking forward to this movie even more than I already was.

[Sawyer]

This sounds great. I'm glad that they're getting rid of the goofy humour. It seems like the Twins might be getting an intelligence upgrade.

It's great that John Turturro's back. :yay:

Shockwave is awesome. :woot:

I'm really looking forward to this movie even more than I already was.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I didn't like him much in the first movie, but I did like him in the second. Hopefully they'll just tone him down a bit. There's nothing wrong with some comic relief. :woot:

With confirmation of Silverbolt and Shockwave, it looks like we're getting close to finding out which robots are going to be in it. This is exciting. :yay:

[Golgo-13]

From the SHH front page:

USA Today visited the set of Transformers 3 and got new details on the third film, opening in theaters on July 1, 2011. The newspaper confirmed it will be released in 3D.

Talking about the second film, director Michael Bay said, "I'll take some of the criticism" while standing at a set built to resemble a dilapidated nuclear reactor. "It was very hard to put (the sequel) together that quickly after the writers' strike (of 2007-08)."

Bay said that "This one really builds to a final crescendo. It's not three multiple endings... As a trilogy, it really ends. It could be rebooted again, but I think it has a really killer ending."

"One thing we're getting rid of is what I call the dorky comedy," Bay added. So the twins, "They're basically gone," he said, though John Turturro returns for comic relief.

The newspaper says the new villain will be Shockwave, "the robot cyclops-turned-laser-cannon, who became dictator of their home world of Cybertron after the other Autobots and Decepticons journeyed to Earth."

According to USA Today, "The new film features Sam Witwicky (LaBeouf) taking his first tenuous steps into adulthood while remaining a reluctant human ally of Optimus Prime." "Shia has this great line: 'You know, I've saved the world twice, but I can't get a job,'" producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura said.

Transformers 3 centers around the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the USA, suggesting there was a hidden Transformers role in it all that remains one of the planet's most dangerous secrets.

"The movie is more of a mystery," Bay says. "It ties in what we know as history growing up as kids with what really happened."

Glad Bay acknowledge the second one suffering from the writers strike like so many movies that were effected by it i.e Quantum of Solace, Wolverine, etc......

[sabetoonth]

this movie is starting to sound great!

[terry78]

Shockwave? Get the **** outta here!!!

Get Malcolm McDowell or Corey Burton to reprise their role, and fanboys will orgasm all over themselves.

[Golgo-13]

Fat lot that did with Welker as Soundwave in TF2. I'm way past the whole nostalgia trip now. I'm a G1 for lifer, but with the way Bay runs things in his TF world, having any old voice actor from the show doesn't mean anything; unless they sound like they did on the show. We got lucky with Cullen and that's where i suspect it will end.

Speaking of Soundwave; i wonder if he'll be in TF2?

The best thing about that article i posted was the word 're-boot'. :)

[Jake Cassidy]

I'd love it if they got Corey Burton. He's 1 of the greatest voice actors ever.

[*Dead*End*]

Forgive me, but what was Silverbolts alt mode originally? Could this be him?

G1:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2568799453_1fc04be427.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/2569615758_a04171a729.jpg

BEASTWARS:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rIr-qR2wL._SL500_.jpg

[Avangarde]

Shockwave? Hellz yeah, they better not be playing with us about this, now all they need is Prowl and I'll be settled with the robot lineup. I like the sound of adding mystery to the plot, mystery is a great way of hooking the viewers in, as long as there is a lot of shock and awe. Not getting my hopes up, but some of that info is a def positive.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I want Prowl too. If they add him, Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus, I'll be very happy.

[Chris B]

Please, God, let it be true! Shockwave would be an awesome villain.

[Chris B]

The space race was all about either destroying Unicron or harnessing him. How does Shockwave fit in? I just don't see a legit reason why Shockwave would be against his former master in Megatron.

Simple. Use his Marvel/Dreamwave/IDW personality where he's basicly an evil Spock who came to believe that logic dictated he was more fit to lead than Megatron. Plus, Dreamwave did a story that involved what the article mentioned with Shockwave taking over Cybertron and uniting the Autobots and Decepticons remaining there under his rule. Had Ultra Magnus as his liutenant as well.

[Rock Sexton]

Silverbolt eh? This mean we're going to see Superion? Hope so.

Good to see Bay manning up to the criticisms of the abomination that was the sequel.

[Avangarde]

Just a thought, there was a rumor about they go back in time to the 80's, now if you take that and this plot about the Space race with the USSR and the USA it kind of matches up. They can build on the events of the Cold War, like the TF's had something to do with it.

[Figs]

I love how Bay says he's getting rid of a lot of the "dorky humour" like the twins, that just upped my anticipation from meh to actually interested now.

It's been years but I can't quite remember much about Shockwave but I take it he'll be a formidable opponent.

[BlackLantern]

Id like to see Hot Rod or Hot Shot.....I just want to see some young buck who doesn't bow before the almighty Optimus Prime

[terry78]

Shockwave ****ed up Megatron and all five Dinobots in the comics. So yeah.

[BlackLantern]

you all do realize that 99.99 percent of the people who've seen the Transformers films have ZERO idea there was a comic, right??

I didn't even know there were comics until they'd been cancelled

[S.A.A.D.]

http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk-wip-concept001.jpg

http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk.jpg

This looks like good movie concept art for Shockwave. Maybe it really is concept art meant for Transformers 3.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudio-pandorabox.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fcat%3D9&sl=auto&tl=en

And then there is this,notice on the right hand side at the bottom near the corner that it says nuclear reactor in French seemingly I think or whatever language it's in,and remember today's movie news about Bay being near a dilapidated nuclear plant set. It's Shockwave in nuclear reactor mode.

[Figs]

you all do realize that 99.99 percent of the people who've seen the Transformers films have ZERO idea there was a comic, right??

I didn't even know there were comics until they'd been cancelled

Exactly. Growing up I watched the cartoon and bought and played with the toys but never got around to reading the comics.

From what Terry says, he sounds like a badass.

[*Dead*End*]

http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk-wip-concept001.jpg

http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk.jpg

This looks like good movie concept art for Shockwave. Maybe it really is concept art meant for Transformers 3.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudio-pandorabox.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fcat%3D9&sl=auto&tl=en

And then there is this,notice on the right hand side at the bottom near the corner that it says nuclear reactor in French seemingly I think or whatever language it's in,and remember today's movie news about Bay being near a dilapidated nuclear plant set. It's Shockwave in nuclear reactor mode.

Very interesting, thank you! Do you think it's legit?

[S.A.A.D.]

Very interesting, thank you! Do you think it's legit?

I don't know,but I really hope it is on a few hands. Hopefully this guy was a fan that got hired like that Josh guy who did Longhaul for TF:ROTF.

[*Dead*End*]

I don't know,but I really hope it is on a few hands. Hopefully this guy was a fan that got hired like that Josh guy who did Longhaul for TF:ROTF.

That's what i was thinking too. Just tweak the head a tiny-bit, and I'll be happy with the design. I think that hexagon-shaped G1 Shockwave head is as iconic as prime's helmet.

[Silver Knight]

Im pumped for Shockwave. I hope he will be purple.

[Darth Rodimus]

Real happy to hear abot shockwave.
Hope Silverbolt will still be a plane.

[sabetoonth]

http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk-wip003.jpg
whats that?
http://studio-pandorabox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/shockwave-by-pamonh-sisouk-wip002.jpg
that the reactor?

and yes, its french

[dark_b]

What a shocker there! So much for Bay's I hate 3d speech a while back.Bay talking about 3D before iron man 2 was realesed. TF and IM are both from Paramount.

they thought that IM2 will brake all records and be MEGA big. it was not.

plan B is to realese now all movies in 3D.

money talks. which is normal since those movies have huge budgets and hollywood is a buisness.

[Casius--J]

I have to admit the latest news from Bay and Co has peaked my interest a little. Shockwave was always a cool character, I just hope they get his look right

[J.Howlett]

Chris B,

I've never heard or seen that take on Shockwave. Very, very interesting. Still, I believe the big secret of the film is Unicron. How the article phrases the "mystery" of the film tied to the Space Race...it has to be Unicron in the end.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

you all do realize that 99.99 percent of the people who've seen the Transformers films have ZERO idea there was a comic, right??

I didn't even know there were comics until they'd been cancelled

hell, 99.9% of die hardcore Transformers fans don't even know about the comic line. I know I didn't until a couple of years ago

Transformers are known for toys and cartoons, THAT'S IT!

the comic line may as well have never existed, as I doubt more than a total of 10 people even knew about it

[Ipodman]

I hope theres a shot of Shockwave at the Cybertronian lab working on stuff.... lol

[Mr. Earle]

That first design is like a car engine with a turbine at the back. Wth is that ****?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

hell, 99.9% of die hardcore Transformers fans don't even know about the comic line. I know I didn't until a couple of years ago

Transformers are known for toys and cartoons, THAT'S IT!

the comic line may as well have never existed, as I doubt more than a total of 10 people even knew about it

A lot more people know about the comics then that, there has been an ongoing series for a few years now.


I hope this turns out like someone suggested in the villain thread, I also put it on the poll as an option, but I hope Shockwave has his own faction of Decepticons and we get a 3 way war between Shockwave's decep#s, Megatrons deceps and Prime's Autobots.