X-Men

[Manic]

At least the Cuckoos had the decency to not scream "MOMMY!!!" when they lost their fragment.


Rachel, your mother died when you were like 12. Move the f*** on.

[squeekness]

Also the New X-force that Wolverine showed off in the last issue of Second Coming where is that team gonna take place. Is there gonna be a new X-force series or will it be in the new X-men series about vampires? Thanks for helping and plz answer these questions thank you!!!It's a new separate ongoing that hasn't been solicited yet so it probably won't show up until October.

Is there really gonna be a book called Uncanny X-Force? I thought it was just a new volume of X-Force...It is the new X-Force, yes. :) It was renamed Uncanny X-Force I assume because of the significant roster change. Either that or because they wanted to up the price. I noticed that with the latest Diamond list posting that almost all of Marvel's books are now $4 even if they are a regular ongoing. :argh: I guess they want me to keep dropping titles....

[runawayboulder]

Preview art from X-Men #2:

WARNING! It could be giving away a key plot point of the issue....


http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/articles/1279309896.jpg&w=150 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1279309896) http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/articles/1279309898.jpg&w=150 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1279309898)

[TheCorpulent1]

What, that Jubilee becomes a vampire? I thought they spoiled that back in the "We Are the X-Men" promo pics. :huh:

[Drz]

Don't forget if you can't get enough of Vampires and Mutants. Ultimate Avengers 3 will be about Blade, Captain America & the Avengers in general fightning againts Vampires, which does include Mutant vampires. :p Here's Ultimate Avengers 3 #1 Preview! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27155)

[Manic]

Wow. The Ultimate line is still being published?

[Havok83]

Wow. The Ultimate line is still being published?
yeah it got a reboot last year after Ultimatum decimated it. Ive only read Ultimate Avengers 1 and Ultimate X, but both are really good

[Manic]

I was done with the Ultimate Universe after Ultimatum. I'd heard that all of the books were getting relaunched or something, but I completely lost interest.

[Drz]

I was done with the Ultimate Universe after Ultimatum. I'd heard that all of the books were getting relaunched or something, but I completely lost interest.

Ultimate X is Loeb's Heroes tv-serie. You got Jimmy Hudson the son of Wolverine, who has Superman's origin more or less. Jean Grey is using a fake identity (Karen Grant) and she is getting someones' assistance to find these new mutants that she's gathering for a team. Arthur Adams is doing the art and it's fantastic.

Ultimate Avengers is Millar's Black Ops team of the Ultimates. You got War Machine, Nerd Hulk (think "Professor" Hulk), Black Widow 2 (Nick Fury's ex-wife), Red Wasp (The bug lady from Liberators), Hawkeye, Punisher (Fury's Black Ops Captain America), Tyrone Cash (first Hulk) and whatnot whatnot! It's absurb, over the top violence with great dialogue and really focuses on Ultimate Universe's villains. 1st arc had Red Skull, 2nd arc is having Ghost Rider & Mehistor, and the 3rd arc is about Vampires. :) Blade will be teaming up with the Avengers, and some mutants *will* rise as vampires.

[Manic]

Wow. Remember when the Ultimate Universe was created so people would be able to jump in without having to worry about years of complicated continuity?

Welcome to the 10 year mark.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, wait, wait. How does a son of Wolverine end up with Superman's origin? Does Earth explode? :huh:

[Drz]

Wow. Remember when the Ultimate Universe was created so people would be able to jump in without having to worry about years of complicated continuity?

Welcome to the 10 year mark.

The new books are new friendly. :) Especially Millar's books.

Wait, wait, wait. How does a son of Wolverine end up with Superman's origin? Does Earth explode? :huh:

Jimmy Hudson lived with the Hudson family. Kitty comes and gives him a hologram oh-so-identitcal to the Superman movie. Hologram has Wolverine's last message and Jimmy Hudson finds out he's Wolverine sons. Realizes he has claws *and* he can cover them in metal.

[Havok83]

The new books are new friendly. :) Especially Millar's books.



Jimmy Hudson lived with the Hudson family. Kitty comes and gives him a hologram oh-so-identitcal to the Superman movie. Hologram has Wolverine's last message and Jimmy Hudson finds out he's Wolverine sons. Realizes he has claws *and* he can cover them in metal.
and the Hudsons = the Kents.

Wow. Remember when the Ultimate Universe was created so people would be able to jump in without having to worry about years of complicated continuity?

Welcome to the 10 year mark.
That was the reason for the reboot. There isnt any required knowledge of the previous series to understand the current stuff. Ultimate X ties into Ultimate Xmen but not directly. They reference stuff thats important to the current plot but htey dont treat it as essential reading and its written as if those books never existed. The characters supply necesary information and like Drz said, its very reader friendly

[Manic]

And now in an attempt to change the subject...


Even though Cyclops is officially disbanding X-Force, I'd like to see Scotty create a spy network. Even Charles had one of those back when he was running the X-Men. Cyclops has a bunch of depowered mutants who register as human, teleporters, hackers, and people with stealthy powers he can call on. Having an intelligence division of the X-Men couldn't hurt.

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be kind of neat, provided he didn't use them as a death squad again. :up:

[Havok83]

The last thing Cyclops needs is another secret team. I think for his own sake he needs to be as honest and open as possible bc he did alot to ruin his credibility and trust. Your idea of a spy network isnt a bad one but he shouldnt be involved or behind that. Warren would have been a good choice bc be has the money to fund such a project but he's involved in the new Xforce. Maybe someoen else but defiently not Scott

[TheCorpulent1]

You know what would've been a great idea? Having Wolverine organize that s*** himself. He's got a whole boatload of knowledge about covert ops thanks to his time with the CIA and Department H, he already represents the morally ambiguous side of the team, and he'd probably think it's a really good, practical idea.

[runawayboulder]

What, that Jubilee becomes a vampire? I thought they spoiled that back in the "We Are the X-Men" promo pics. :huh:

I was referring more to how it actually happens.

[Havok83]

You know what would've been a great idea? Having Wolverine organize that s*** himself. He's got a whole boatload of knowledge about covert ops thanks to his time with the CIA and Department H, he already represents the morally ambiguous side of the team, and he'd probably think it's a really good, practical idea.
Wolverine has just formed a new X-force which essentially is the closest thing to this.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but I meant in the first place, without Cyclops creating one and then disbanding it for whatever reason.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tried to find an X-Factor thread but I went like 6 pages back and didn't find squat, so I figure here's a good place for it:

[url=http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5808]Preview of X-Factor #207

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/prv5808_pg4.jpg

Hela's looking mighty fine, as Longshot can attest. Kind of creepy to know that if she ever took her mask off, she'd be a nasty, desiccated skeleton, though. :awesome:

[Havok83]

Tried to find an X-Factor thread but I went like 6 pages back and didn't find squat, so I figure here's a good place for it:

Preview of X-Factor #207



Hela's looking mighty fine, as Longshot can attest. Kind of creepy to know that if she ever took her mask off, she'd be a nasty, desiccated skeleton, though. :awesome:
X-factor's thread is in the X-men forum

[URL]http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=230873 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5808)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but I don't go to that forum and it's still relevant here. :oldrazz:

[runawayboulder]

The should be a thread here in the Marvel forum for all things X-Men. I'm glad this one was started even if its for vol 3.

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, but I don't go to that forum and it's still relevant here. :oldrazz:

Corp is afraid of the constant whining and *****ing.

And who can blame him? So am I. EGADS.

[Specter313]

Corp is afraid of the constant whining and *****ing.

And who can blame him? So am I. EGADS.

Hey! It's not as bad as it used to be. :o

[Manic]

My level of complaining has gone down ever since Kyle & Yost announced they were leaving.

[El Bastardo]

Hey! It's not as bad as it used to be. :o
People complain about skin colors without seeming to understand the concept of painting or artist's palette or the concept of colors or how colors are used to frame a scene or a person or set a mood, etc., etc., etc.

COLORS. :o

[Manic]

There was a point where X-Factor protected an employee of Singularity. He was a black man who was colored in significantly darker than Monet, who was still depicted in those issues as the same shade as Rictor. Up until X-Factor #200, for the most part, Monet was colored only slightly darker than caucasian characters like Jamie and Terry. That wasn't lighting. That was intent.

[El Bastardo]

Manic, ladies and gentlemen. He'll be here all week!

(And I wasn't speaking of you, Manic. We all know YOUR complaints are... well-founded.)

[Manic]

Oh, wait. You were talking about the conversation you had with Havok83 about Domino's skin being egg-shell white instead of kabuki-white or something. Even I thought that was petty.

[El Bastardo]

Manic, ladies and gentlemen. He'll be here all week!

[Havok83]

He's still on that? That was literally two months ago. It was talked about, dealt with and left in the past. I would have thought most people would have let it go and moved on by now. I know I sure have. :confused: Oh well...

[JustABill]

It's Domino, man, the point is why would you give a **** what color her skintone is? As long as she's white with some black in there around all the right areas..then shut the hell up.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd have just stopped after "it's Domino." 'Cause, really... it's Domino. :huh:

[El Bastardo]

Domino rocks. Go hug a tree, hippie!

(Yeah, that's right! I'm bringing it over to HERE.)

[Manic]

It was a mistake, creating an X-Men thread around here. Now prepare to feel the wrath of our complaints, and Bastardo insulting us for having them.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh no, is Bastardo some kind of X-Men fanboy? He seemed so intelligent... :csad:

[Havok83]

It just seems rather petty to hold onto grudges for that long and bring stuff back up , especially over something so trivial that was settled months ago but to each his own.

I'd have just stopped after "it's Domino." 'Cause, really... it's Domino. :huh:
You know there was a time I would have agee with you but if theres one thing that Yost/Kyle did was, like with Vanisher, show how good a character she can be. Ive gained a new appreciation for those two and its suprising, considering I couldnt stand them before. I'm going to miss not seeing those two in an ongoing. I hope she at least pops up in the other books (preferably Uncanny X-force)

[El Bastardo]

Oh no, is Bastardo some kind of X-Men fanboy? He seemed so intelligent... :csad:
I'm not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. I am, however, a fan.

It was the 90s X-Men cartoon that started my big comic fascination. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles gets an honorable mention for interesting me prior to the 90s X-Men, and while I did go for the occasional TMNT comic, I wasn't at a point where I really got into it until the X-Men cartoon came around. And I repeated the word "cartoon" way too many times in that paragraph.

So the X-Men family of books get a large degree of dedicated loyalty from me, just for that. That isn't to say I think they're the greatest things since sliced bread, nor do I think they can do no wrong. If the ****'s wrong or badly-done, it's wrong or badly-done. I just don't gripe about random, stupid, meaningless things.

[Drz]

San Diego Comic con Wolverine info & Marko Djurdjevic's X-Men Poster! (http://i.newsarama.com/images/X_MEN_POSTER-FINAL-huge.jpg) :
- Alonso describes it as "father, son and daughter," with Wolverine, Daken and X-23. In Jason Aaron's Wolverine #1, "Wolverine goes to Hell," and then Hell comes to Daken and X-23 in unexpected ways.
- Remender discusses Uncanny X-Force, saying that Wolverine and Archangel will be "co-captains," having "checks and balances" with each other. "The team is more secretive than ever," Remender says.
- Alonso tells the crowd about the nature of the new X-Force. "Scott is no longer a wartime president," he says. "He's disbanded X-Force. But that doesn't mean that Wolverine and Warren don't think that there are instances where it's needed. These guys know they have to do the stuff that other X-Men can't."
- Someone who identified as a "Sabretooth fan" asked why he wasn't in Necrosha. "If you're interested in all things Wolverine/Sabretooth, I would read Jason Aaron's Wolverine, for clues on where you might see Sabretooth next," Singh said.
- David weighs in on X-Factor. "We're not doing anything to blow up the status quo right now. We've got the team reassembled. We've actually been having the group interact with the Marvel Universe since we jumped forward to issue #200," he said.

[Manic]

Daughter? I remember Wolverine once referred to X-23 as his little sister.

Ah, the trouble with clones.

[Manic]

Daughter? I remember Wolverine once referred to X-23 as his little sister.

Ah, the trouble with clones.

[javi1024]

San Diego Comic con Wolverine info & Marko Djurdjevic's X-Men Poster! (http://i.newsarama.com/images/X_MEN_POSTER-FINAL-huge.jpg) :
- Alonso describes it as "father, son and daughter," with Wolverine, Daken and X-23. In Jason Aaron's Wolverine #1, "Wolverine goes to Hell," and then Hell comes to Daken and X-23 in unexpected ways.
- Remender discusses Uncanny X-Force, saying that Wolverine and Archangel will be "co-captains," having "checks and balances" with each other. "The team is more secretive than ever," Remender says.
- Alonso tells the crowd about the nature of the new X-Force. "Scott is no longer a wartime president," he says. "He's disbanded X-Force. But that doesn't mean that Wolverine and Warren don't think that there are instances where it's needed. These guys know they have to do the stuff that other X-Men can't."
- Someone who identified as a "Sabretooth fan" asked why he wasn't in Necrosha. "If you're interested in all things Wolverine/Sabretooth, I would read Jason Aaron's Wolverine, for clues on where you might see Sabretooth next," Singh said.
- David weighs in on X-Factor. "We're not doing anything to blow up the status quo right now. We've got the team reassembled. We've actually been having the group interact with the Marvel Universe since we jumped forward to issue #200," he said.
that is a beautiful poster. is that another cover collection like he did for the Avengers? are Sabertooth, Sinister, and Arcade coming back?? wheres Arcade been anyway?

[CaptainCanada]

Daughter? I remember Wolverine once referred to X-23 as his little sister.

Ah, the trouble with clones.That's technically what she is, but in terms of their relationship he'd be more like a father-figure than a brother.

Djurdjevic's poster is customarily awesome (though not as good as his Avengers one). Interesting to have Alex and Lorna grouped in around the X-Force characters and Apocalypse; given the latter's ties to Apocalypse, maybe they'll be appearing in the new volume of that series?

[venom892]

I have a feeling Wolverine will meet Sabertooth in hell.It would make a lot of sense.I may just have to break my no 3.99 ongoings rule(I already broke it for Secret Avengers) for Aaron's Wolverine as I feel as I missed out on some good stories in Weapon X.I loved everything I've read from him so far.I think I'll be getting Uncanny X-force as well as I love the line up and Apocalypse.Never read the recent series except the Second coming issues but I Don't think it'll be a problem.

[JustABill]

Last I remember Arcade popping up was in the Dazzler one shot a little while ago.

[CaptainCanada]

I may just have to break my no 3.99 ongoings rule(I already broke it for Secret Avengers) for Aaron's Wolverine as I feel as I missed out on some good stories in Weapon X.You did. It's great.

In terms of X-books right now, I plan to keep buying Uncanny, continue with New Mutants, Aaron's Wolverine relaunch, and X-23. If, as I guessed, Alex and Lorna show up in X-Force, I might have to reconsider on that one too.

[venom892]

Yea I'm going to pick the Weapon X trades.I feel like in the last few years the best thing to happen to Wolverine was Aaron.

[Alastor]

Arcade was in the last issue of Fantastic Four.

[Havok83]

that is a beautiful poster. is that another cover collection like he did for the Avengers? are Sabertooth, Sinister, and Arcade coming back?? wheres Arcade been anyway?
It will be divided into covers

[javi1024]

Arcade was in the last issue of Fantastic Four.
interesting. is he a character thats tossed around the Marvel U? i always thought he was an obscure X-Men villain.

[Alastor]

He basically is, but he's messed with Spider-Man and Excalibur before (and there was that AWFUL game with him and the X-Men/Spider-Man). Other than that I'm not sure.

[Havok83]

Wow, I REALLY hope Havok and Polaris rejoin the Xline and round out the Xforce lineup

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd rather they just flat-out die than be stuck on X-Force. I actually like Havok. :csad:

[mjdiddy1]

Generation Hope anybody? I'd prefer Gen X but color me interested

[Havok83]

I'd rather they just flat-out die than be stuck on X-Force. I actually like Havok. :csad:
You'd rather him die then join Uncanny X-force? Wow, I hope for my sake you dont get your wish if that book is in his future...lol


Generation Hope anybody? I'd prefer Gen X but color me interested The female mutants look interesting, not so much the men. I'll keep a lookout for it. Hopefully the Five Lights is a good lead in to it that makes it more appealing

[Jake Cassidy]

I'd rather they just flat-out die than be stuck on X-Force. I actually like Havok. :csad:

You don't even know what the new X-Force is going to be like.

[Alastor]

Stabby stabby stab stab stab.

[Jake Cassidy]

There'd be a couple of 'bang bangs' in there as well. Fantomex and Deadpool have guns. :woot:


Seriously, I just think it's stupid to judge a book before you read it. Novel concept for a fanboy, I know, but it works for me.

[Havok83]

How good does this look? If this is the new X-force (plus Logan of course), Im sold

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3919/uncannyxforcecov1.jpg

[uchiha_itachi]

PLEASE let Havok and Polaris be on the team PLEEEEEEEEASEEEEEE. I haven't seen them around for ages.

[Havok83]

PLEASE let Havok and Polaris be on the team PLEEEEEEEEASEEEEEE. I haven't seen them around for ages.
I think the reason they havent been seen is bc Apocalypse has abducted them. They left for Earth last year but have been MIA since. I think they'll be used as pawns of Apocalypse early on, fighting X-force before getting control of themselves and then joining the team in their battle against the big guy. Polaris has personal history she needs settled with him and wherever she goes, Alex is close behind.

[Specter313]

It will be divided into covers

Specifically, X-Men #3, Generation Hope #1, Wolverine #1, X-23 #1 and others. I'm sure the one of the far left will be an Uncanny X-Force cover, then Wolverine, then X-Men #3, then Gen Hope, then X-23, but I don't know what one the villains one would be for. Maybe Daken's solo.

[Drz]

http://i32.tinypic.com/5b1fus.jpg

WOLVERINE #2
Written by JASON AARON Penciled by RENATO GUEDES Cover by JAE LEE Variant Cover by ARTHUR ADAMS Vampire Variant by MIKE MAYHEW
Imagine everyone Logan has ever killed over the course of his very long life, all confined to one place, all itching to get their shot at revenge.Ê Now witness the devil give them just what they want.Ê It's Logan versus the legion of the damned, including some very familiar faces.Ê And with Logan's demonically-possessed body still running amuck on earth, the body count can only grow.Ê Who could possibly stand in his way?Ê Maybe... Mystique?



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DAKEN: DARK WOLVERINE #2
Written by MARJORIE LIU & DANIEL WAY Pencils and Cover by GIUSEPPE CAMUNCOLI Vampire Variant by MIKE MAYHEW
Did you really think that Daken wouldn't be involved in sending Wolverine's soul to Hell? Now that his Did you really think that Daken wouldn't be involved in sending Wolverine's soul to Hell? Now that his father is out of the way, Daken is free to do whatever he wants. And what does he want? EVERYTHING.
32 pages, $2.99.

http://i25.tinypic.com/98rp0k.jpg


X-23 #2
Written by MARJORIE LIU Penciled by WILL CONRAD Cover by DANNI SHINYA LUO Vampire Variant by MIKE MAYHEW
X-23 has never been a normal teenager, but with a demonic Wolverine on the loose, her dreams of becoming that normal teen seem less possible than ever.Ê When the images this imposter Wolverine has been filling her head with become real, who can she turn to? And where is the real Wolverine in all of this? Find out as the series you've been waiting for continues!
32 pages, $2.99.

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ULTIMATE COMICS X #5
Written by JEPH LOEB Pencils & Cover by ARTHUR ADAMS
And now...THE HULK?! ÊWhat impossible situation has the cast of Ultimate X reaching out to the most powerful and dangerous person in the Ultimate Universe? ÊCan The Hulk be controlled or will he smash them all? ÊThe senses-shattering conclusion of the first arc.
32 pages, $3.99.

[TheCorpulent1]

What the f***, Wolverine's dying and going to Hell? That's hilarious. :D

[CaptainCanada]

What the f***, Wolverine's dying and going to Hell? That's hilarious. :DThe mystery villains of Aaron's big mega-arc are sending him there, I believe; can't wait to see it, particularly the prospect of Aaron writing Sabretooth, who really needs a good writer after how Loeb sent him off.

Really like the X-23 cover, too.

[Drz]

http://i28.tinypic.com/2iuc0ec.jpg

Oh man how i wish Daken was real. :( I'd let that sexy monster molest me any night.

[Watchman]

What the f***, Wolverine's dying and going to Hell? That's hilarious. :D

Robot Devil: "Why are you so surprised? You started you're own death squad and killed over a million people and for...I don't even know how many years you've been alive." *Goes into jaunty dance number*

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, yeah, Wolverine deserves to be in Hell more than some actual supervillains, let alone normal people.

[roach]

yay more Havok who's only progression as a character will be either living under the shadow of his brother or trying to not live under the shadow of his brother.

[TheCorpulent1]

Should've kept him in space. :o

[runawayboulder]

Has Havok done anything cool since the X-Men were living in Australia?

[TheCorpulent1]

War of Kings, Mutant X, and some of Peter David's previous X-Factor series.

[javi1024]

Has Havok done anything cool since the X-Men were living in Australia?

War of Kings, Mutant X, and some of Peter David's previous X-Factor series.
also Emperor Vulcan and X-Men: Kingbreaker. those dealt with Havok vs. his brother before it all culminated in War of Kings.

[Havok83]

Has Havok done anything cool since the X-Men were living in Australia?
Mutant X. It was the closest thing to a Havok solo series. Was pretty good and one of the highlights in his history

[squeekness]

Mutant X. It was the closest thing to a Havok solo series. Was pretty good and one of the highlights in his history
That series was great. I loved The Fallen. :D

[Havok83]

You guys ever find Rachel's history confusing? LOL...well its all been laid out and explained at this website

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/08/02/lbfa-rachel-summers-history/

[Manic]

I'm gonna save that link. I "get" her history, but it takes me forever to explain it to people.

[TheCorpulent1]

I stopped caring about the Summers family tree a long time ago. Now the only time I think about it is to recall enough random facts to ridicule Cable's backstory. :)

[Havok83]

I'm gonna save that link. I "get" her history, but it takes me forever to explain it to people.
It takes me forever trying to explain Cable away and of course theres Stryfe and X-man to complicate things and now Hope. These guys at least did a very good job at simplifying Rachel's

[Manic]

What's sad about the Summers family is that Hope Summers has one of the leats complicated backstories, and she's technically named Spalding.

[Havok83]

She's only been around for 2 years....give her time. She's already tied to the Phoenix Force and when that is finally explained, you know its going to be one big clusterf--k

[Manic]

I really hope it's as simple as "she's a host of the Phoenix Force," but something tells me all those crazy theories that Jean impregnated Louise Spalding like the Virgin Mary might end up being true.

[TheCorpulent1]

I still contend that the Phoenix Force, once it moved past being just Jean's thing, became one of the absolute worst ideas in X-Men lore ever.

[Havok83]

I still contend that the Phoenix Force, once it moved past being just Jean's thing, became one of the absolute worst ideas in X-Men lore ever.
I relcunctantly agree. A big mistake was letting so many people access it. It was kinda acceptable with Rachel but they've gone overboard with it in recent years. I really wish Morrison never brought the actual Phoenix Force back

[Raiden]

When will Jean Grey come back from the dead? We all know that it will happen sooner or later. Quite frankly, I'm tired of Marvel keep killing her off; is it just because she's part of the Phoenix Force, so they want to do the whole "rising from the ashes" shtick with her?

[Manic]

I don't think there are any real plans to bring her back in the near future. She'll probably continue to be this lingering presence who pops into someone's dreams every once in a while, especially with Hope running around using the Phoenix Force.

[JustABill]

I'm hoping for this big epic one day where the Shi'Ar finally manage to destroy the Phoenix Force for good. Rachel, The Stepford Cuckoos, Korvus all lay dead once the event is over.

Jean and Hope go on to do things not connected to it.

[Manic]

I like Rachel. :csad:

Also, nobody but Hope is even using the Phoenix anymore. Rache, Korvus, Celeste, Phoebe, and Mindee/Irma all lost their connection.

[JustABill]

Still, the Shi'Ar could kill former hosts of the Force to limit it's possibilities and it'd be glorious. :o

[Manic]

They already did that. They killed literally everyone they could find connected to the Phoenix, save Rachel (who they branded) and Korvus (who they imprisoned). I can only assume the people they skipped (Cable, Emma, the Cuckoos, Charles) were unknown to them or unfindable (god knows they've been trying to kill Charles for years anyway). Even with the entire Grey and Rook'shir families dead, Louise Spalding gave birth to a new Phoenix out of the blue.

[JustABill]

They didn't try hard enough damn it. :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm mostly just annoyed at this constant urge to redefine the Phoenix Force. It was a cosmic entity who had never experienced desire before. Cool, that's fine, I can wrap my head around that. But now it's some retarded bulls*** like the essence of Jean collected from throughout time or something. When the backstory of characters' powers gets that complicated, I just give up and stop paying attention. :o

[roach]

Jean wont be back anytime soon...Marvel still has a few more "Is she back" covers to sell

[runawayboulder]

I'm for bringing her back and getting her away from the X-Men for a while. There's a few more I'd like to see branch out into other ends of the Marvel universe. Colossus, Iceman, Psylocke, ect. They've been very underused in the past few years.

Iceman is the biggest victim here. Scott Lobdell was the last person to use him and use him well. He's a founding member of the team and is non-existent. Have the X-editors deemed him off limits or what? He's been on other teams before....

Psylocke was last used by Claremont and Whedon brought Colossus back only for Fraction to dump on him later on. I always though Jean and Colossus would make killer Avengers. And I betcha a million $ that Steve would make Iceman into an important member of Secret Avengers. Psylocke has a lot of potential, her last mini was really, really good.

[roach]

well lets be honest when was the last time any of the characters had any kind of advancement beyond "Scott is so smart, Scott and Emma is so dreamy"

The X-men are in need of a reboot or something

[runawayboulder]

A part of me wanted to see Scott go down at the end of Second Coming so somebody could rise up and challenge his authority. It does look like they're building to that to an extent with Magneto schmoozing with Hope.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really want to see anymore X-Men made into Avengers. Just 'cause the X-Men's corner of the Marvel universe sucks, doesn't mean they should start branching out to corners of the universe I actually care about to get away from that. :argh:

[roach]

they just need to fix the X-men

[Havok83]

If they are going to keep Jean as Phoenix, I think a better place for her would be the Avengers. There threats tend to be much larger than what the X-men typically face and I think she'd work well over there

[roach]

But thats the thing...to keep Jean as Phoenix there is only one way that Marvel knows how to do it...death, rebirth and death. Thats why she has been away for so long..no one knows what to do with her. Why push her revolving life story on the Avengers...im sure they dont want to read that...hell I am an X-fan and I dont want to read that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I am an Avengers fan and I certainly don't want to read that. We already got stuck with Bendis. Give us a break. :o

[roach]

I am an Avengers fan and I certainly don't want to read that. We already got stuck with Bendis. Give us a break. :o

poor thing...its not like your book got hijacked and turned into a big episode of Scott and Emma plus Eight

[Manic]

I say the Phoenix Force should be shared by Jean, Rachel, Korvus, and Hope. Nobody gets too powerful because it's divided up, we get to keep the cool firebird imagery, and the editors just have to have the balls to veto any wacky crossovers if any of them ever die.

[roach]

I say the Phoenix Force should be shared by Jean, Rachel, Korvus, and Hope. Nobody gets too powerful because it's divided up, we get to keep the cool firebird imagery, and the editors just have to have the balls to veto any wacky crossovers if any of them ever die.

hahahahahah the editors doing their jobs on an X-book....hahahahahaha

[Manic]

In all fairness, the editors are doing their jobs right now. They just make stupid decisions, like getting rid of the squad system so every writer can use the same handful of characters, thus rendering the need for multiple X-titles moot.

[Raiden]

But thats the thing...to keep Jean as Phoenix there is only one way that Marvel knows how to do it...death, rebirth and death. Thats why she has been away for so long..no one knows what to do with her. Why push her revolving life story on the Avengers...im sure they dont want to read that...hell I am an X-fan and I dont want to read that.

I also think that the Phoenix Force has turned into a liability for Jean, not a strength. Jean Grey is one of my favorite X-Men and I missed the old Jean from the original run of X-Force, when she just had her telepathy & telekinesis abilities like the old days, without all that Phoenix nonsense. If Marvel can get rid of Phoenix Force once & for all, they won't feel the need to keep her dead for fear that she'd ruin their story once she's back.

[Havok83]

I also think that the Phoenix Force has turned into a liability for Jean, not a strength. Jean Grey is one of my favorite X-Men and I missed the old Jean from the original run of X-Force, when she just had her telepathy & telekinesis abilities like the old days, without all that Phoenix nonsense. If Marvel can get rid of Phoenix Force once & for all, they won't feel the need to keep her dead for fear that she'd ruin their story once she's back.
X-force? I think you mean X-factor. She was brought back with just her TK for that series. But yeah, IA, they need to sever the PF from her. I loved her throughout the 90s before Morrison brought it back and its really blown up since then

[TheWatcher]

What's the best X-Men book going on right now?

[TheCorpulent1]

X-Factor.

[Alastor]

Really, X-Factor is the only good X-book right now.

[Havok83]

What's the best X-Men book going on right now?
Hard to say now as the line just finished a major crossover and the new stories just started. I liked the last issue of Uncanny but this current arc is set up for the new series Generation Hope, and no clue on how that will turn out. X-men isnt bad, but not great. The vampire story seems very underwhelming as something to launch a new title for. New Mutants is a good read if you like the characters and the nostalgic factor but non-fans may have a problem actually caring for it. Legac yis good if you like Rogue, but like NM, if you dont care for her (or the X-brats) you may grow bored with it fast. Unfortunatrely they didnt use SecondComing to really shake things up as the books have gone back to the same stale status quo. Little has changed among the titles. At least there's Uncanny X-force to look forward to, but that wont launch till November

[Raiden]

X-force? I think you mean X-factor. She was brought back with just her TK for that series. But yeah, IA, they need to sever the PF from her. I loved her throughout the 90s before Morrison brought it back and its really blown up since then

Yeah, I meant X-Factor, not X-Force. All these X books get me confused sometimes. :o

[Havok83]

Yeah, I meant X-Factor, not X-Force. All these X books get me confused sometimes. :o
I remember back in the day when it was easy to remember and tell them apart but since the 90s, they've cancelled and launched so many books. Then there's the reboots of old titles, creating new books with old names which have little to do with the original series and then going back to original numberings...Marvel's really made a mess of things and its become a collectors' nightmare

[Manic]

I'll give X-Factor credit for its renumbering actually adding up. The original series ended at #149, and the current series lasted 50 issues before suddenly jumping to 200. Usually editors just sorta guess and round to the nearest hundred.

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't even get me started on that. I'm still somewhat dismayed that Thor should not be at the current number they're slapping on it.

[Havok83]

I'll give X-Factor credit for its renumbering actually adding up. The original series ended at #149, and the current series lasted 50 issues before suddenly jumping to 200. Usually editors just sorta guess and round to the nearest hundred.
technically #47 would have been #200, as they ignored X-factor volume 2, which ran as a mini in 2002

[CaptainCanada]

technically #47 would have been #200, as they ignored X-factor volume 2, which ran as a mini in 2002
Miniseries don't count.

[TheWatcher]

Thanks for input guys! I'll have to check out X-Factor!

[NightBeetle]

Advance Preview: X-Men #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27800)

http://i34.tinypic.com/1zl900j.jpg

[squeekness]

What's Gambit gonna do with the head? Something sneaky I hope. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

He's gonna take it over to Legacy and show it to Rogue in the hopes that it will finally woo her back to him. :awesome:

[NightBeetle]

ANOTHER ADVANCE PREVIEW: "X-Men" #3 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27868)


http://i36.tinypic.com/29ypms4.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Blade is in this series, right? He should be like, "Dang, looks like you put on about 300 years since I kicked your ass all over England, Drac." :hehe:

[roach]

Thats Dracula??? He looks like an extra from Lord of the Rings

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, logical or not, I tend to prefer him in the tux. :D

[Havok83]

Resurrecting Dracula is about the dumbest plan the current X-regime has come up with. Really Scott and Emma? Thats the best they could do?

[Manic]

Cyclops' beams are made from solar energy. Have they checked how that affects vampires yet?

[TheCorpulent1]

The UV's probably filtered out. I don't see him sunburning and/or giving skin cancer to the various people he's hit with optic blasts repeatedly over the years. UV's usually the "active ingredient," if you will, in sunlight that harms vamps.

Oh, plus, the vamps currently have those medallions that allow them to withstand actual sunlight anyway.

[Manic]

Of course. There's always some wacky excuse for vampires to walk around in the daylight at Marvel. They have medallions, they're not conventional vampires, they're allowed to walk in sunlight as long as they're on native soil, etc.

[roach]

Cyclops' beams are made from solar energy. Have they checked how that affects vampires yet?

Scott absorbs solar energy and converts it into concussive force...so they would have no other affect on Vamps other than that

[TheCorpulent1]

Of course. There's always some wacky excuse for vampires to walk around in the daylight at Marvel. They have medallions, they're not conventional vampires, they're allowed to walk in sunlight as long as they're on native soil, etc.
Yeah, it does get a bit tiresome. It's probably why no one actually called Blade "the Daywalker" in the comics until the movies were released, too. The comics' vamps are like, "S***, we're all daywalkers whenever there's a good amount of cloud cover. And on Tuesdays. Just because."

[Jake Cassidy]

Scott absorbs solar energy and converts it into concussive force...so they would have no other affect on Vamps other than that

What about Alex? He could fry vamps pretty easily, right?

[javi1024]

What about Alex? He could fry vamps pretty easily, right?
Havok converts the energy he absorbs into plasma. it gives off heat but i dont think it contains any UV rays which is usually what kills vampires.

[Jake Cassidy]

I wanna see Archangel hack off some vamp heads, damn it.

[runawayboulder]

Dazzler could probably fry some Vamps.

[Havok83]

I wanna see Archangel hack off some vamp heads, damn it.
he decapitates normal humans. Now seems like a moer approrpiate time to put that skill to use

[TheCorpulent1]

Poor Warren. He used to have a conscience at some point, right? Like, he actually struggled with this stuff in X-Factor. :o

[Manic]

That was back when killing was reprehensible rather than cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

Too true. Cyclops might've even reprimanded him for it. Now he'd probably give Warren a pat on the back. "Way to cowboy up for equality, Warren!"

[roach]

80's Scott:"What are you doing? We dont kill."
00's Scott:"Kill them all and let Jack Kirby sort them out"

[Jake Cassidy]

Since they're killing vampires I think it's the right time to bring Sunfire back.

[Jake Cassidy]

he decapitates normal humans. Now seems like a moer approrpiate time to put that skill to use

I did like it when he killed Stryker. I hate religious nutbags. :woot:

[roach]

Since they're killing vampires I think it's the right time to bring Sunfire back.

sunfire didnt join the cult?
I thought Scott had all mutants drinking the kool-aid

[Havok83]

sunfire didnt join the cult?
I thought Scott had all mutants drinking the kool-aid
Sunfire is a racist (or rather extreme nationalist) and doesnt take orders from white men. He'd spit in Scott's face before he let him run him around like the other Xmen. He definetly does not drink the kool-aid. Although I have to say Id love for him to actually be on an X-team for more than 5 minutes. I think the character is rather interesting

[roach]

I do like the character but I'd rather he be on the teams once they get the X-men sorted out

[TheCorpulent1]

Sunfire is a racist (or rather extreme nationalist) and doesnt take orders from white men. He'd spit in Scott's face before he let him run him around like the other Xmen. He definetly does not drink the kool-aid. Although I have to say Id love for him to actually be on an X-team for more than 5 minutes. I think the character is rather interesting
When did that happen? He was an X-Man before. :huh:

[javi1024]

When did that happen? He was an X-Man before. :huh:
he was on the Giant-Sized team when they introduced Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, and Nightcrawler that saved the originals from Krakoa. he quit after like two issues. he's teamed up with them a couple times after that, but hes never been a team player.

[Manic]

sunfire didnt join the cult?
I thought Scott had all mutants drinking the kool-aid

List of mutants currently not drinking the kool-aid:

-Sunfire
-Multiple Man
-Butterfly
-Banshee
-M
-Strong Guy
-Darwin
-Exodus
-Cargill
-Pete Wisdom
-Gloriana
-Quicksilver
-Beast

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, like half of them are on X-Factor. It's the refuge for people (and readers) who think the X-Men are stupid. :hehe:

Is Beast still off? He's a member in Astonishing X-Men, which is supposedly in continuity.

[Manic]

Astonishing X-Men is so separated from continuity it's ridiculous.

Beast left the X-Men after the Dark Avengers crossover, came back to rub Nightcrawler's death in Cyclops' face, then left in a fury. Namor even told him off for abandoning his own people (though god knows why, considering Namor's "stellar" track record in running his own kingdom).

[Havok83]

Heh, like half of them are on X-Factor. It's the refuge for people (and readers) who think the X-Men are stupid. :hehe:

Is Beast still off? He's a member in Astonishing X-Men, which is supposedly in continuity.
AXM runs on its own continuity. I beleive the regular series is ending and that arc started last year, before Beast left. The Xenogeneis mini is not within current continuity. It is canon but operates outside of continuity. Basically it isnt tied down to whats going on in the other books.

he was on the Giant-Sized team when they introduced Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, and Nightcrawler that saved the originals from Krakoa. he quit after like two issues. he's teamed up with them a couple times after that, but hes never been a team player.
He actualyl quit on the very first issue upon the series restarting, like literally by the second page

[TheCorpulent1]

Xenogenesis is what I was talking about. Okay, so Beast is there but it basically takes place in continuity but in some nebulous period other than the present?

[NightBeetle]

X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Storm & Gambit #1 Preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6119&disp=table)

http://i35.tinypic.com/2woh943.jpg

X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Blade #1 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6118&disp=table)

http://i36.tinypic.com/wv4cps.jpg

[Havok83]

Xenogenesis is what I was talking about. Okay, so Beast is there but it basically takes place in continuity but in some nebulous period other than the present?
pretty much. We can at least pinpoint it to be pre-Second Coming as mutant births are not possible in that mini

[squeekness]

EDIT: Nevermind... :p

[chris moore]

I wasn't sure if the cover images were supposed to be Dracula's son or not (first I'm hearing of him by the way. I mean, you kinda assume the guy's going to have a bit of night time bed fun, particularly given his penchant for mesmerising women in the Bram Stoker era, but I don't think I've ever heard of an actual post-vamped son).
But now this preview is up

http://i.newsarama.com/images/X-Men_03_Preview2.jpg

I can't help but think (as cool a design as it seems) that its a bit of a far cry from the latest iteration I read in Captain Britain and MI:13

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Ogg5GJ_HHxCCxM:http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/expletivedeleted/Captain-Britain-and-MI13-09-Dracula.jpg&t=1

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, well, he got stabbed with Excalibur in MI-13, so I could see that screwing up his eternal 'youth' a bit. I figured he was still recovering from that.

But yeah, The Death of Dracula was the first I'd heard of Drac's two sons. One of them seems like a total carbon-copy of Angel (Buffy's, not the X-Man), though.

[chris moore]

I guess if you got stabbed by Excalibur (would've liked a bit more exposition on that in the series by the way), you might take to wearing some kind of mystical armour and ditch the evening wear eh

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I look at the armor as Drac's paranoia post-Excalibur showing through. It's the most powerful "good" magic artifact in England, so it's bound to do some damage to Drac or any other magic-based villain. You're right, though, it wasn't explicitly stated. But my theory makes sense to me and nothing's come up to contradict it, as far as I'm aware.

[roach]

yeah but those two pics dont look like the same character...unless Drac grew his hair out too

[Manic]

Is there a version of that page with dialogue to confirm that's even Dracula?

[TheCorpulent1]

It is. He looked exactly the same in The Death of Dracula before he, y'know, died.

yeah but those two pics dont look like the same character...unless Drac grew his hair out too
We don't know how long it's been since he was in MI-13. The series has been canceled a while, so let's say it was about 6 months to a year of comic time. That could easily give him long hair.

[roach]

It is. He looked exactly the same in The Death of Dracula before he, y'know, died.


We don't know how long it's been since he was in MI-13. The series has been canceled a while, so let's say it was about 6 months to a year of comic time. That could easily give him long hair.

i didnt think hair grew on the undead

[TheCorpulent1]

Clearly, you wuz wrong. :oldrazz:

[roach]

Clearly, you wuz wrong. :oldrazz:

i stand corrected:csad:

[runawayboulder]

Victor Gishler talks about mutants and vampires and vampires and mutants....

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27985

I didn't know X-Men was the #1 book for July......

[runawayboulder]

Ahhh, because CBR just released the list today.....

I forgot that site Dread gave that gives the sales estimates earlier. I'm gonna open another thread....

[Havok83]

Actually its sales numbers were released 2 weeks ago. I think this is the link you are looking for:

http://www.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=3&s=237&ai=98515&ssd

[TheCorpulent1]

Dread uses ICv2, I believe: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/1850.html

[runawayboulder]

Dread uses ICv2, I believe: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/1850.html

Yep that's the one! Thanks Corp!

[Drz]

http://i56.tinypic.com/971quc.jpg

Daken's costume is looking much better here.

[squeekness]

The mask still looks odd without the ears. :p

[runawayboulder]

I'm onboard for 2 reasons......Lui and Camuncoli.

[squeekness]

I just like Daken enough to give it a try. :)

[Ele_X]

looks awesome!

[Drz]

http://i51.tinypic.com/2qip9jl.jpg

Daken: Dark Wolverine #1 Preview!!!! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=6287)

[runawayboulder]

I love Camuncoli but that new outfit is not good.....

[squeekness]

How friggin old is Daken anyhow? This puts him at about 70. I didn't think he was THAT old... :(

[runawayboulder]

He was born in the 1940's after WW2, Logan stayed in Japan and had him with that chick.....

[squeekness]

Yeah, so about 70 or so. Damn.... :p

[Drz]

Gdilf!

[uchiha_itachi]

So wolverine is like 150?

[TheCorpulent1]

He was born in British Columbia in the 1880s, if I recall Origin correctly. So closer to a vivacious young 130. ;)

[BigSams50]

I'd give this a chance. His new costume looks meh though

[TheCorpulent1]

It really does. Although Giuseppe Camuncoli probably finds some way to make it look awesome. That guy can make anything look awesome. :up:

[runawayboulder]

It really does. Although Giuseppe Camuncoli probably finds some way to make it look awesome. That guy can make anything look awesome. :up:

:up::up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I wish he'd draw something for Thor. :csad:

[runawayboulder]

Give it time. His star is definitely rising right now. He's been doing Hellblazer for years now and probably won't be there a lot longer. For the better part of the year he was doing Dark Wolverine. I'd like to see him do Spider-Man or one of the X-titles.

[runawayboulder]

Something I found when googlin':

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/23/month-of-art-stars-artists-choice-giuseppe-camuncoli/

[squeekness]

So wolverine is like 150?

He was born in British Columbia in the 1880s, if I recall Origin correctly. So closer to a vivacious young 130. ;)
Old man. :p

[TheCorpulent1]

Something I found when googlin':

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/06/23/month-of-art-stars-artists-choice-giuseppe-camuncoli/
He was the main reason I read that comic with Illyana and Nightcrawler. I can't even remember the title now, but his art was awesome on it. :D

[Ipodman]

Camuncoli is good... :)

Oh, and I dont know why people are not very excited about the current Vampire X-men thing. I read issue 1 and 2 and I like it alot.

[TheCorpulent1]

The current state of the X-Men prevents me from getting excited about anything with them. I don't like the militaristic take.

[Ipodman]

Oh yea...

I'm more concerned about the Emma Frost status quo.

We all miss the good old days... thats why I'm starting to pick up more X-men trades/HCs than anything

[runawayboulder]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28289

Outstanding news! I have a feeling it won't be long before Gillen takes over UXM permanently. Gillen, Gischler and Remender on the X-Books.....:awesome::awesome::awesome:.

[JustABill]

THANK GOD. :D

Such wonderful news. It does make me worried that I was right about Fraction in that something is up with him. His Thor run never started, his runs on Iron Man and Uncanny started floundering. Something must be up in his personal life. :(

[NightBeetle]

Kieron Gillen Joins Fraction on "Uncanny X-Men" (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28289)

http://i51.tinypic.com/2n0vbpk.jpg

[Iron Man]

Awesome :D I can't wait!

[Havok83]

THANK GOD! I hope it turns out the same way Fraction "joined" Brubaker on UXM

[Iron Man]

Great news! I haven't hated Fraction's run like some have, but Gillen is a solid writer and it'll be brilliant to have him on board. Nice cover as well.

[TheCorpulent1]

Blurgh, I was hoping Gillen would not sink further into the X-world after Generation Hope was announced. Oh well, I guess there's still a chance he might dabble in Marvel's mythological side again... someday...

What's with the original X-Men on that cover, though? They're not even all on the team (or alive) anymore. :huh:

[MightyAvenge]

So that doesnt mean that clones of them cant exist. In Excalibur, their were evil versions of the classic X-Men line-up, but none of them were in Excalibur. None of the Avengers are in The Thanos Imperative, but their are versions of them in the TI.

[WompuM]

I thought this was Karen Gillan, and I was like WHA!?!?!?!?! but I have no idea who Kieron Gillen is.

[TheCorpulent1]

Writer of Thor for the past few months (almost a year), Phonogram, Beta Ray Bill: Godhunter, SWORD, the Siege tie-in for New Mutants, and some other stuff.

THANK GOD. :D

Such wonderful news. It does make me worried that I was right about Fraction in that something is up with him. His Thor run never started, his runs on Iron Man and Uncanny started floundering. Something must be up in his personal life. :(
His Thor run starts in 2 weeks. :huh:

[hippie_hunter]

I hope with Gillen on board that Beast will come back and use S.W.O.R.D. in Uncanny.

[Havok83]

, the Siege tie-in for New Mutants,
I didnt even notice. I thought Wells wrote it.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Wells wrote the Siege issues of New Mutants. Gillen wrote the Loki and Thor tie-ins for Siege.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/nm11siege.jpg

Looks like it was just the one issue, but the point still stands. But yes, he did write the Loki one-shot, too. Which was awesome.

[hippie_hunter]

You're right. For some reason, I too thought it was Wells.

[Iron Man]

That's an awesome cover.

[Havok83]

I love how even with Valkyrie powers and on a flying horse, Dani still manages to whip out a big ol gun

[JewishHobbit]

Oh I just sighed a BIIIIIG Ol' breath of fresh air. I'm not completely excited because Fraction's still on the book and obviously directing the thing for now, as we're continuing his earlier storylines, but Gillen is a great writer and maybe he can breath some life into the title. I still hate the $4 price tag but I'm not so quick to drop the thing now. I mean, I've stuck with the book for 18 or so years and Fraction had me only months away from potentially dropping it (end of the Five Lights storyline). Now I at least have a reason to keep hope that it'll pick up soon... hopefully.

[runawayboulder]

I think this is the beginning of the end of Fraction's UXM run. When he first came on the book he was sharing writing duties with Brubaker. We might be seeing the same thing here....

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Gillen'll clean the X-Men up and have Beast come back. I love how he writes Beast.

[runawayboulder]

I don't think the Beast will just up and return to the X-Men like that. I would like to see him run his own group of X-Men on his own terms, those completely opposite of Cyclops. Stick him back in the Westchester School as the headmaster bringing some of the underused folks that disagree with Scott's methods with him. Kinda like an east coast/west coast thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's why I said Gillen should clean the X-Men up first.

Although, I actually like your idea a lot. Have Beast re-embrace the original ideals the X-Men were founded upon and maybe even start drawing some of Cyclops' people who've felt Scott's taken things too far away. That could lead to a pretty cool, long-term arc before they ultimately reconcile.

[runawayboulder]

I was a huge fan of Morrison turning the team into teachers and have hated that they ever got away from it. That's why I think Beast would be perfect in that role. He's maintained his heroic old school mentality through the years. Also, there's so many friggin wasted characters on Utopia. Maybe Beast could bring along Iceman and Storm.

[JewishHobbit]

Woooowww boulder... that is the best idea for X-Men that I've heard in a long time. I litterally just got chills as I thought about it. Beast and Iceman going to do the school thing, both arguably the 2 biggest underdogs of the original 5 stepping up to be the leaders.

Beast, Iceman, and Storm as the big dogs (I'm not huge on Storm but she'd fit perfectly here)

Make it generational by bringing in Husk and Cecelia Reyes

And what's a team without some underdogs? Anole, Rockslide, Prodigy


First mission... the quest to recover the recently resurrected but possibly still tainted Banshee!

[Iron Man]

While I think that's a pretty cool idea - I'd love Beast, Storm, and Iceman to run their own team - I'm not sure I want to see any more splits in the X-Men just yet. There's been so much angst and so many arguments, I just want to see the team pull back together again and agree on something for once.

[runawayboulder]

The idea of them being on big happy family isn't going to happen anytime soon. The whole X-Force thing is the 500 lb gorilla in the room. I'm waiting for that whole thing to lead to Cyclops and Wolverine getting shunned by the X-Men in some way. They even discussed the ramifications recently of the Avengers finding out. That will most likely open the door for Xavier to regain full control over the team.

If Cyclops does get the boot as leader, I'd like to see him get his own series where he becomes kind of nomadic. With Jean gone (and the recent tease of a breakup with Emma) he could use the time by himself to reflect on things. Plus, I always enjoyed those early issues where he would go off on his own and square off against some threat. There were 2 times I can remember when he fought Master Mold 1 on 1 and another when he took on the Dark Riders by himself. He came across as much more of a badass in those issues as opposed to recently.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ironically, in this case, splitting some of the X-Men off would be a way to get away from the angst. Cyclops being a militaristic douchebag and treating Utopia like a fortress and the X-Men like his personal army is where a good portion of that angst is coming from in the first place. Beast's team would be an alternative to that--one I, as a fan of the X-Men before all the M-Day s***, would happily welcome.

[JustABill]

I'd like that idea as well. There are clearly people on Utopia who have expressed disdain with the way things are going, I can easily see them following Beast or whoever splintered off to create a new X-Men team away from Cyclops rule.

[Havok83]

Ive always wanted to see Jean cause the split and reopen the school. When she returns (which will eventuallt happen), I can t see her being cool and down for Utopia and all that Scott has done. She's more of a teacher and heavily concerned with mutant rights issues. I see her forming her own team and showing that their are other alternatives. She beleived in Xavier's dream more than any of the other original Xmen. I cant see her letting it die

Ironically, in this case, splitting some of the X-Men off would be a way to get away from the angst. Cyclops being a militaristic douchebag and treating Utopia like a fortress and the X-Men like his personal army is where a good portion of that angst is coming from in the first place. Beast's team would be an alternative to that--one I, as a fan of the X-Men before all the M-Day s***, would happily welcome.
unforutnately with the exception of Beast, no one seems to care. Nightcrawler most likely would have reacted and called out Scott, but he was promptly killed off. The bigest reaction we got to all the changes was Storm laughing at him off panel, BUT she went right back to standing besides him and supporting his leadership. All the Xmen are drinking the same koolaid and its almost as if they are a cult, following and doing whatever Scott says with no opinion of their own

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, this is such a great idea that it actually pains me that Marvel isn't doing it... :csad:

[Havok83]

Man, this is such a great idea that it actually pains me that Marvel isn't doing it... :csad:
I thought Second Coming was going to bring about the same split among the Xmen that The Avengers line got with New and Mighty from a few years back or even further with Avengers and West with 2 different teams operating on different coasts of the country. Too bad that didnt happen....

[JewishHobbit]

They don't even need a new title for it. Just use X-Men or Legacy or Astonishing.

MAN this is killing me. Do this Marvel! Hey boulder... go get a job... at Marvel... make it work.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, boulder, quit being a jerk! :cmad:

[JustABill]

I can safely say that Storm would totally leave the X-Men. Remember her ''We will have words" to Scott after she found out about X-Force? Yeah.

[Havok83]

I can safely say that Storm would totally leave the X-Men. Remember her ''We will have words" to Scott after she found out about X-Force? Yeah.
all she did was laugh in his face and then she went right back to supporting and following him. If she was going to do soemthing, she would have already

[JustABill]

You forget we live in a world where X-Men go from event to event, so anything that gets said by a character or set up has to wait until the event is over. Right now Storm's too busy playing fetch the dead vampire carcass to be able to do anything.

[Havok83]

You forget we live in a world where X-Men go from event to event, so anything that gets said by a character or set up has to wait until the event is over. Right now Storm's too busy playing fetch the dead vampire carcass to be able to do anything.
Her confontation with Scott happened off panel. It was already referenced. I felt cheated that we didnt get to actually see it.

[TheCorpulent1]

You forget we live in a world where X-Men go from event to event, so anything that gets said by a character or set up has to wait until the event is over. Right now Storm's too busy playing fetch the dead vampire carcass to be able to do anything.
Beast seemed to do all right objecting emphatically to Scott's douchebaggery.

[Manic]

If you're a mutant who's against Cyclops' little paramilitary island nation douchebag thing, then you're probably already in X-Factor.

[TheCorpulent1]

And God bless 'em for that. But they're very detached from the X-Men stuff in general. I don't even really consider them part of that franchise anymore, aside from the obvious mutant connection.

[runawayboulder]

They don't even need a new title for it. Just use X-Men or Legacy or Astonishing.

MAN this is killing me. Do this Marvel! Hey boulder... go get a job... at Marvel... make it work.

Yeah, boulder, quit being a jerk! :cmad:

I've always wanted a job at Marvel. Does Dan Slott still come around these parts? Somebody put in a good word!!!!!!!

It's a fairly simple idea I'm using. It's a plot device of getting the X-Men "back to basics". 2 X-Men teams with different goals at war with the world and each other....the s**t just sells itself.:word:

But it seems like such a waste of having kick ass characters like Iceman and Colossus sitting on an island doing jacks**t. And you've got Storm in Wakanda for reasons I'll never understand. Basically, if your name aint Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, Magneto or Namor then you don't mean d**k on that floating ball of mud.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and it still bugs me that Namor is among those names. "First mutant" indeed. "First Golden Ager to be tied to a more popular franchise by the thinnest of threads," more like. :o

[Raiden]

Yeah, and it still bugs me that Namor is among those names. "First mutant" indeed. "First Golden Ager to be tied to a more popular franchise by the thinnest of threads," more like. :o

Yeah, I don't understand why Namor is a mutant. Is it just because he was born with superhuman abilities? He's from Atlantis, so of course he'll be special. Would Thor be a mutant because he was special when born?

[Jake Cassidy]

If Namor is considered a mutant than Blade should be too.

[Specter313]

Namor is a mutant because of his wings on his feet that allow him to fly, which is not possible by normal atlanteans.

[Havok83]

No, Namor is a mutant plain and simple bc he has an X-gene. Having wings on his feet, doesnt make him homo superior...it just makes him unique among his own people. For years that was thought to just have been a side effect of him being hybrid, but that was finally put to rest when it was retconned that he had the X-gene making him the same sub-species as the Xmen

[Manic]

Is Namora also a mutant?

[Havok83]

I dont know and Im not sure we'll be getting any confirmation. The only reason wee got it with Namor was to justify Marvel constantly touting him as the First Mutant

[Manic]

Yeah, the First Mutant if you don't count Apocalypse.

First Mutant of our post-industrial society? Mystique and Wolverine are older.

First Mutant born in the 20th century? Dr. Nemesis.

First Mutant to fight during WWII? Wolverine again.

First Mutant who follows the Greek gods while wearing a skimpy outfit? Selene.

He's probably the first mutant to be born with wings on an awkward place on his body that still somehow work despite not looking like they should support his bodyweight. So well done that, man.

[Gamma Goliath]

I pretty much hate xmen comics now, they killed off night crawler, that doesn't bode well with me.

[Jake Cassidy]

Namor was the first mutant that Marvel created.

[Havok83]

Yeah, the First Mutant if you don't count Apocalypse.

First Mutant of our post-industrial society? Mystique and Wolverine are older.

First Mutant born in the 20th century? Dr. Nemesis.

First Mutant to fight during WWII? Wolverine again.

First Mutant who follows the Greek gods while wearing a skimpy outfit? Selene.

He's probably the first mutant to be born with wings on an awkward place on his body that still somehow work despite not looking like they should support his bodyweight. So well done that, man.
First Mutant to appear in a Marvel Comic. But that doesnt make sense when characters within the books actually say it unless its Deadpool breaking the 4th wall

[Hellion]

First Mutant to appear in a Marvel Comic. But that doesnt make sense when characters within the books actually say it unless its Deadpool breaking the 4th wall

Shh, you! Don't give em ideas!...

[TheCorpulent1]

First Mutant to appear in a Marvel Comic. But that doesnt make sense when characters within the books actually say it unless its Deadpool breaking the 4th wall
Except he wasn't a mutant for that first appearance and a long, long time after. :o