Are there any characters you DON'T want to see again?

[Chris Wallace]

I think I can do without Brock/Venom, as well as Gwen.

[ModestMr.Green]

Aunt May. Just kidding. No I'm not.

[rcazzy]

I think I can do without Brock/Venom, as well as Gwen.

I think they're two characters who must be about as long as they're done justice too with the Goblin Legacy and Brock being tougher than Topher Grace and the symbiote speaking as both Brock and Venom and being huge in comparison to teenage Peter. Both characters weren't done well in Raimi's films.

I don't think there's anyone I'd like to not see....I want more rather than less. Cameos of villains in minor crime scenes such Shocker, Rhino and Mysterio for a short few scenes using effects but ultimately being punched in the fishbowl and caught within a minute. Those kind of things. It'd give the world of the films a feel of superheroism and fantasy with villains as opposed to one/two bad guys in the movie with any kind of powers thoughout. No harm in other crimes between the large events. :)

[©KAW]

For the first two films, I don't want to see Green Goblin (only Norman Osborn), Doctor Octopus (only Otto Octavius), Venom or Sandman.

[SpeterMan3]

Same.

[I'm Venom]

For the first three films, I don't want to see Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin, Sandman, or Venom (only Eddie Brock). Introduce the symbiote in the third film and set up a cliffhanger for Venom in the fourth film.

[Oscorp]

I don't want to see Eddie Brock/Venom again. And I agree that Norman Osborn and Otto Octavious should appear, without Green Goblin and Doc Ock.

[The Joker]

No more symbiotes, please.

[Chris Wallace]

No more symbiotes, please.

This.

[Venom'sDad]

I really don't see any need for Carradine to make another appearence. I think Sam originally did a good job the first time around. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the other previous villains again.

[Spiderine]

GG, Doc Ock, and Sandman should not appear in the first film. And Venom should not even be in the first trilogy. However I don't mind seeing Eddie Brock slowly make his appearances to be introduced as a supporting character of such.. He should be well established once Venom does show.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm talking EVER, not just in the beginning.

[Spiderine]

Alright, well in that case there is not a single character I would say I would NEVER EVER want to see again in this rebooted francise simply because I think they all can be written and -portrayed much better a second time around. And I am talking only of those from the comics and not Raimi's made up misfits.

[Chris Wallace]

I kinda want Betty gone. Not because I have anything against her, her depiction or anything like that but because I'd like to see Glory instead.

[Spiderine]

I would love to see Glory but if say a character like Ned Leeds was involved then I would think Betty's role may somewhat be expanded.

[Chris Wallace]

If they went that route (which I doubt) they could always make Betty a reporter-which wouldn't spit on comic continuity.

[NinjaCarm]

Rocket Racer. No. Rocket. Racer.

[American_Hobo]

Rocket Racer. No. Rocket. Racer.

Agree

[Spiderine]

I don't recall seeing Rocket Racer in Raimi's films unless you are refering to Harry.

[zeptron]

Hoffman.

[SpeterMan3]

Mr. Aziz.

[ModestMr.Green]

Curt Connors.

[Reikowolf]

Uncle Ben, :awesome:

You killed him in the first movie and he continues to show up. It's like he is haunting Peter.

Call an exorcist. No wonder the kid became spider-man, his uncle probably nagged him from beyond the grave until he gave in :woot:

In all seriousness, introduce a character only if the story requires it. Does Norman Osborn need to be introduced at the beginning of the mythos? Probably not. He owns his own company, and has a distant relationship with his son. The fact that there would be very little if any Norman Osborn in the first movie would make sense and show how he is more concerned with other matters other than his son's high school problems.

I would love the first spider-man villain to be Smythe. Spider-Man has created a real problem for New York's Underground, run by Hammerhead. They manipulate Smythe, who is an Osborn Robotics Engineer, to assist them in creating high-tech gear to fight off spider-man. He creates the Spider-Slayer as well as some other weapons for their use. by the third act, Hammerhead's right hand man Herman Schultz, as Hammerhead himself would not get his hands dirty, bares witness as the spider-slayer is destroyed. He takes on Spider-Man one on one using some of Smythes tech weapons (the shocker gauntlets). Only to be defeated and implicated as the head of illegal weapons being sold. Smythe goes missing, assumed killed by Hammerhead's men.

Hammerhead is under investigation due to his association with Schultz but with no direct charges, but more importantly, SHIELD is now threatening Osborn (making his first appearance by the end of the movie) as his company was tied to the engineering of the weapons which are now on the street.

just me daydreaming lol. Kind of went off on a rant there.

[Chris Wallace]

Hoffman and Aziz were made up for Raimi's movies so their return is unlikely. Rocket Racer never appeared to begin with.
Reikowolf-you went a bit off topic there.

[chamber-music]

Hypno-Hustler :woot:

[Anwar]

If they DO ever do Venom again, please just make him human proportioned.

Otherwise, get him out of here.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Death to the symbiotes.

[Steyin]

I don't want to see MJ for a while.

[Pac-Master]

Symbiotes.

[Chris Wallace]

Here I thought the anti-symbiote crowd would be in the minority.

[LightningFlash]

^^ How come? After a distasteful Venom and symbiote arc that we received in Spider-Man 3, why would we want more of it? Plus, if this movie is taking straight from Ultimate Spider-Man, then that's another reason why we wouldn't want the symbiotes, because it's not alien, it cures cancer. Which is stupid. And their Carnage idea is just idiotic.

I do not want to see MJ, or for at least the first film. I want to see if Webb can be smart enough to have the main villain kidnap someone else.

I don't want to see any villains with "added" influence that will only mess up the film itself(Sandman's sick daughter).

And I want some sort of realism...granted, this is Spider-Man, but it makes no sense when someone can come out of a bomb explosion and only have one side of his face messed up. Last time I checked, Jonah Hex is DC.

Even though I want Green Goblin and Doc Ock again, we need a new villain for the first film.

And...

No Venom
no Sandman
no Goblin Rocket Racer
and no unnecessary cameos by stupid kids or blonde chicks that look like prostitutes.

Or any butlers with awful memory.

[Panthro]

Leave the various Goblin villains out of it for right now. And skip Doc Ock for the first film. Plenty of other good villains who haven't gotten any screen time yet.

[ModestMr.Green]

I do not want to see MJ, or for at least the first film. I want to see if Webb can be smart enough to have the main villain kidnap someone else.

I'd rather the main villain doesn't kidnap anybody at all. They could easily go with a villain who simply becomes so power crazed that he wants nothing more than to use this power to wreak havoc, and Spider-Man has to drop in to stop that instead. (Ala Incredible Hulk.)

But it has to be an A-lister. Someone I can take completely seriously. I personally wouldn't mind Doc Ock reappearing straight away, appearing as a sort of amalgamation of Spectacular Ock and Ultimate Ock. Make him an alienated scientist who won't stand for the world that put him down before staying in one piece. At first he uses this to obtain riches or scientific equipment, but when Spider-Man stops him from doing all of this, his only goal would be to attack what Spider-Man holds close to his heart: the people of the city.

But I've severely digressed.

[LightningFlash]

I'd rather the main villain doesn't kidnap anybody at all. They could easily go with a villain who simply becomes so power crazed that he wants nothing more than to use this power to wreak havoc, and Spider-Man has to drop in to stop that instead. (Ala Incredible Hulk.)

Eh...

that sounds like...

Ultimate Green Goblin.

[Dragon]

A characterI don't want to see? Mary Jane. I've truly grown sick of the character over the last 30 plus years. That relationship never went anywhere and constantly relied on gimmicks to keep it interesting. Since they're rebooting, they have a good opportunity to have Peter engage in the relationship that he always should have. Gwen. Stan knew besr.

[MikeFrost]

No more dancing emo Parker or butlers, please.

[Chris Wallace]

I thoroughly disagree on MJ. And how do we keep veering toward who we do & don't want to see right away as opposed to at all?

[Dragon]

I meant at all regarding MJ. Keep her what she was initially a supproting character.

[WarrenPeace2012]

For me, No Goblins, No Ock, No Symbiotes (Brocks ok though). I think they should go the Batman Begins route. Batman 5 or Batman Triumphant was originally supposed to have Scarecrow in it, the project was scraped and he ended up being a villain in BB. The Vulture was inteded to be the villain in Spidey 4, that project got scraped so maybe they can go with him as a sub boss or villian in this new movie with someone else as the main (true) villain. Or take the Spectacular Spiderman route. That first episode was sweet.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The American flag.

[DieSmiling]

For the record, those of you who don't want GG, Ock, Sandman, Venom, etc. in the first move, who are you expecting to be the villain?

I think it would be pretty lame if there wasn't a superpowered villain in the film, and while I guess they could go with Vulture, Electro, Shocker, Scorpion, whoever, it would seem odd for that villain to be the first.

[I'm Venom]

I like the idea of starting the franchise with villains like Shocker and working up. It could give the films an atmosphere and momentum the others didn't have. Shocker would be pretty cool.

They also need to set some up. You could easily have Eddie Brock appear. Villains also don't necessarily have to be killed off in the first movie they appear in.

[SpeterMan3]

True. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

The American flag.

:whatever:

[Anwar]

I like the idea of starting the franchise with villains like Shocker and working up. It could give the films an atmosphere and momentum the others didn't have. Shocker would be pretty cool.

They also need to set some up. You could easily have Eddie Brock appear. Villains also don't necessarily have to be killed off in the first movie they appear in.

If they're too powerful or dangerous, then they usually DO have to be killed off. Scarecrow was sort of an aversion, but he was just a lackey of the true villain so it's not the same as letting Venom just run off to fight another day.

Maybe it's best if some villains don't get an on-screen origin and just appear as villains and have their origins discussed.

Doc Ock for example can just appear as a terrorist villain or criminal doctor cyborg and then have Peter look up his origin later.

[I'm Venom]

If they're too powerful or dangerous, then they usually DO have to be killed off. Scarecrow was sort of an aversion, but he was just a lackey of the true villain so it's not the same as letting Venom just run off to fight another day.

Maybe it's best if some villains don't get an on-screen origin and just appear as villains and have their origins discussed.

Doc Ock for example can just appear as a terrorist villain or criminal doctor cyborg and then have Peter look up his origin later.

No, they also can get imprisoned.

[Anwar]

That works only if those guys aren't too dangerous to leave alive (like if they know who Peter is), or if they aren't ever used again as the central villain (Magneto was left alive because he was never the central villain after the first movie, it wouldn't work for egotistical villains like Norman or Doc Ock or Venom) or just aren't that villainous in later appearances (which doesn't work for guys like the Goblin or Ock or Venom, they're all unsympathetic bastards).

[I'm Venom]

It works if the villain loses his powers somehow i.e. Brock getting separated from the symbiote.

[Anwar]

Then we're just left wondering why Brock doesn't just go and tell anyone Peter is Spider-Man while giving proof that Peter can't refute.

And no, his stupid "No one kills you but me!" crap wouldn't work in live-action. It was dumb in the comics and it'd be dumb here.

Either don't have the villains find out Peter is Spidey, or kill the ones that DO know.

Venom isn't good for more than one story anyways.

[Chris Wallace]

One of MANY reasons why I hate Venom.

[I'm Venom]

Then we're just left wondering why Brock doesn't just go and tell anyone Peter is Spider-Man while giving proof that Peter can't refute.

And no, his stupid "No one kills you but me!" crap wouldn't work in live-action. It was dumb in the comics and it'd be dumb here.

Either don't have the villains find out Peter is Spidey, or kill the ones that DO know.

Venom isn't good for more than one story anyways.

Brock is a man broken, consumed by jealously, and humiliated. He doesn't care about exposing Parker, only punishing him. He's the only villain that knows Parker is Spider-Man who wouldn't necessarily have to be killed off.

As long as Brock appears in the first three films and becomes Venom in the fourth, he isn't needed for any more movies, unless they want to introduce Carnage in this franchise, which I don't even want to debate because nobody knows. I'm not saying Carnage is impossible to do without Venom, because he isn't, but it would be better to do Carnage, if they do him at all, with Venom.

[Anwar]

Carnage is craptastic.

I say just have Brock in one movie before the symbiote story, then have the symbiote movie be ONE movie with Venom in it (and just make sure there's just Venoma s the end enemy) and then have him killed off at the end. He's only good for one story.

Characters like Brock aren't necessary for 3 movies of build-up, just one and a half at most. Or just use him in the first movie to establish he doesn't like Peter, then NOT have him be in any of the movies until the symbiote one. That way he won't eat up screentime or money.

[MikeFrost]

For Venom to work as a character they need to introduce Eddie Brock very early and have him getting constantly harassed by Spider-man. TAS setted him up perfectly by having him getting his life ruined slowly by a series of unfortunate events with Spiderman in the middle.

There's not even a need to have the whole comic sin eater ********. Venom can be made into a way more effective villain if he's first seen as a tragic figure of a normal guy with his life going upside down and him hitting rock bottom.

[Chris Wallace]

One thing I thought they did well on Spectacular was not having Eddie bring his downfall/disgrace on himself.

[MikeFrost]

For Venom to work as a character they need to introduce Eddie Brock very early and have him getting constantly harassed by Spider-man. TAS setted him up perfectly by having him getting his life ruined slowly by a series of unfortunate events with Spiderman in the middle.

There's not even a need to have the whole comic sin eater ********. Venom can be made into a way more effective villain if he's first seen as a tragic figure of a normal guy with his life going upside down and him hitting rock bottom.

[LightningFlash]

For the record, those of you who don't want GG, Ock, Sandman, Venom, etc. in the first move, who are you expecting to be the villain?

I think it would be pretty lame if there wasn't a superpowered villain in the film, and while I guess they could go with Vulture, Electro, Shocker, Scorpion, whoever, it would seem odd for that villain to be the first.

Vulture would be a great villain for the first film. And so would Electro, imo. Especially if we get the Enforcers, and Electro as their leader or the middle man between the Enforcers and who ever hired them and Electro(the Big Man).

And the way I'm regarding the way Electro could be played out in the film is if they go the Ultimate route with him.

[LightningFlash]

For Venom to work as a character they need to introduce Eddie Brock very early and have him getting constantly harassed by Spider-man. TAS setted him up perfectly by having him getting his life ruined slowly by a series of unfortunate events with Spiderman in the middle.

There's not even a need to have the whole comic sin eater ********. Venom can be made into a way more effective villain if he's first seen as a tragic figure of a normal guy with his life going upside down and him hitting rock bottom.

That's what I thought Raimi was trying to do with the hint of his name from the first film. And as always, Raimi got my hopes up.

[Chris Wallace]

I meant at all regarding MJ. Keep her what she was initially a supproting character.

The second sentence wasn't directed at you, but regarding all the "Let's wait on Ock/Goblin/Venom" posts.

[Anwar]

For Venom to work as a character they need to introduce Eddie Brock very early and have him getting constantly harassed by Spider-man. TAS setted him up perfectly by having him getting his life ruined slowly by a series of unfortunate events with Spiderman in the middle.

There's not even a need to have the whole comic sin eater ********. Venom can be made into a way more effective villain if he's first seen as a tragic figure of a normal guy with his life going upside down and him hitting rock bottom.

Brock was only in two TAS episodes before the Venom saga, which shows you only need to show him once at the start and then that's it until the symbiote story. Plus TAS implied he was already a jerk.

In every version, Eddie is not a good person to begin with. Yes even in the original comics he was already amoral: He SAYS he was trying to protect the Sin-Eater fake but HE WAS USING A PSYCHO-KILLER TO BOOST HIS CAREER!

So I say keep him as a not-good person to begin with, and the symbiote just makes it worse.

He doesn't even have to lose his job or anything, he just becomes so drunk with power that he becomes a threat and Peter has to stop him.

[The Joker]

Brock was only in two TAS episodes before the Venom saga

Actually he was in three. Spider-Slayers was a two parter.

[Anwar]

Yeah, you're right. But it was one story...

But the fact is, he was in the first three episodes then NOTHING till the end of S1.

So you can have Brock be in the first movie, then just have him not show up at all until the Symbiote movie. He becomes Venom maybe in the last 1/3 of the movie. 1/3 is all he needs, I mean TAS did a good Venom story in 20 minutes.

[FVD]

I'm also of the opinion that Mary Jane should be reintroduced as a supporting character like Flash Thompson and Liz Allen etc. I do hope that Gwen gets more exposure in this outing as should her father.

[the_ultimate_evil]

no green goblin for the first 2 films, but keep norman build him up. for **** sake he's spider-man main villain(sorry ock fanboys but it's true) so he has to come back


sadly if they are going to use the ultimate story line the character will be ****ed more than a $5 hooker

[SpeterMan3]

I'm also of the opinion that Mary Jane should be reintroduced as a supporting character like Flash Thompson and Liz Allen etc. I do hope that Gwen gets more exposure in this outing as should her father.
:up:

[FVD]

...and I wouldn't mind Eddie Brock in there actually. I do like the idea of building him up like they did with Harry in the Raimiverse. And speaking of Harry hmm...

But yes NO VENOM. And NO CARNAGE EITHER!! Focus on the Classic Villains first and I really liked what Greg Weisman did with TSSM. I mean why not even have Spidey foil Marko and O'Hearn's robberies too. There doesn't need to be Villain Origins all the time. That's been done to death in the films already. And that's why you'll probably never see the likes of Scorpion, Mysterio and Shocker as much as us fans want to see him. And if there was a way for Sony to get Kingpin in there too. Damn you Fox!!

[blackbyrd]

Venom....He is a bore and they way he looks on screen is lame.

I would be ok with Gwen if they did it correctly based on canon. It would also be cool to see GG kill her like the comics.

[Rodrigo90]

Ive got no worries about the interpretations in the reboot.

Peter will be a witty wiz-kid. Unlike before where he was meek crybaby.
JJ will be ruthless. Unlike before where he was comic relief.
Gwen will actually be herself. Unlike before where she was a ditzy airhead.
MJ will actually be herself. Unlike before where she was a mean jealous slapper.

The villains will ACTUALLY BE EVIL. Unlike before where they had tragic origins and were nice guys,then turn evil,then nice again before they kill themselves.

Please let it be like that. Otherwise, I dont want to see them again.

[Chris Wallace]

None of this is guaranteed. ESPECIALLY with them retaining the same writer.

[Sentinel X]

The American flag.
First off, thats not a character. Secondly, you just reminded me that had to be the STUPIDEST fanboy complaint during the raimi movies. It was forced and gaudy in Spider-man 3, but in the first two films it wasn't. Spider-man lives in New York, which everyone in the world knows is in America. So whats the big deal?

Anyways for me...
No Eddie Brock/Venom
No stupid kids going "Awesome!" "Whoa!" etc

[Chris Wallace]

Why wouldn't there be kids reacting to the sight of a guy swinging around on webs?
I'm kind of hoping they take Betty out & replace her with Glory.

[The Joker]

It's good to see most people not wanting to see Venom again. There's hope for the Spider-Man fans yet :cwink:

[Chris Wallace]

I would have to agree. Although I think many of them are saying it because they didn't like how Raimi & Co. presented him, not because they truly just don't want him.

[Rodrigo90]

None of this is guaranteed. ESPECIALLY with them retaining the same writer.

I know. More so,because theyre basing it on Ultimate. Where Gwen is not so good-hearted,liked threatening people with knives and was Carnage. :dry: I pray THAT never happens.

Why cant they just splice 50% 616 and 50% Ultimate together? Thats something I think we all could live with.

[Anwar]

Evil villains who are evil simply for the sake of being evil are flat characters. The Joker in TDK worked out mainly because of Ledger's acting, the character Nolan created in and of itself was just a plot device and not a real character.

Now his take on Ra's, that was good. He was bad for wanting to destroy Gotham but he was hardly some random bum thief.

[spidermanJLA!~]

For the first three films, I don't want to see Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin, Sandman, or Venom (only Eddie Brock). Introduce the symbiote in the third film and set up a cliffhanger for Venom in the fourth film.
i agree. this is why SM3 got some bad reviews. they tried to combine everything into one film. It is also why venom had very little screen time.

[DACMAN]

Hoffman. The most useless, pointless, obnoxious, nepotistic character ever. That is all.

[Excelsior.]

Evil villains who are evil simply for the sake of being evil are flat characters. The Joker in TDK worked out mainly because of Ledger's acting, the character Nolan created in and of itself was just a plot device and not a real character.



Was Anton Chigurh "flat" too?

[ModestMr.Green]

Anton Chigurh wasn't evil just to be evil. He was a man of principles.

[LightningFlash]

If it's true that Lizard is the villain for the reboot, I want the story to be about finding a cure for Lizard while the scaly beast run amok New York City, and NOT kidnapping Mary Jane. MJ shouldn't even be involved in the final battle. She could be kidnapped by thugs earlier in the movie, but the Spider-Man/Lizard dynamic should just be those two.

And the whole "finding a cure" storyline could work well with this reboot, with having Peter having these abilities and struggle over wether he should take the cure himself since he wasn't able to save his uncle when he had those powers.

[Chris Wallace]

Hoffman. The most useless, pointless, obnoxious, nepotistic character ever. That is all.

How about we stick to characters who are within the realm of possibility?

[LightningFlash]

^ Well who knows, maybe Marc Webb will try to get his brother in the film as well.

[HULK]

No more symbiotes, please.

Amen. :up:

[MarvelFan150]

Just remove Carradine snd replace him with a casual Burglar who messed with the wrong house...

Also, no Green Goblin, AT LEAST save him for a sequel...

and Mr. Aziz and Hoffman can go...

[Chris Wallace]

I reiterate my last post to you.

[El Payaso]

Just remove Carradine snd replace him with a casual Burglar who messed with the wrong house...

Also, no Green Goblin, AT LEAST save him for a sequel...

and Mr. Aziz and Hoffman can go...

Mr. Aziz and Hoffman can... *in Mr. Aziz's voice* GOO-OO. :yay:

But yeah those horrible characters won't be back. Unless the next director feels like forcing his brother and children into the films with the lamest excuses.

[Young Superman]

Please NO Venom (Eddie Brock) or Carnage (Cletus Kasady) for me. I'd rather see classic villains like the Vulture (Adrian Toomes), the Lizard (Curt Connors) and Electro (Max Dillon). Heck I even wound't mind seeing Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) and Doc Ock (Otto Octavious) again in a future film.

[Chris Wallace]

I thought I'd be the only one saying no Venom. I don't think we can count Carnage as a character we don't want to see again.

[zeptron]

I wouldn't mind Venom if they did more with his character besides just chasing Peter around. They should take a page from TSSM and have him actually use the info he has. He's more of a threat that way.

[LightningFlash]

^ Ehh, I preferred Venom's battle with Spidey during the second season, but I didn't like his arc in that season. He's more of a one-hit wonder on television as well. That's why a little amount(yet more than what he was given in Spider-Man 3) is more than enough. Also why he should never be a solo villain in another movie if Venom is ever brought up as a villain again.

More than likely, he'll be treated as Bane is now.