Are there clues in IM3 villian in IM2?

[Hiruu]

With Iron Man 2 out of the shoot, and based on what it looks like it is going to do at the box office, Marvel (With Disney eyeing the bottom line) will be looking to get the third film out…maybe in 2013 (The cast aren’t getting any younger). I think without question, that the villain for the movie is going to be Mandarin.

First off, they kept showing the clip of Howard Stark talking about how anything can be solved with technology, and when you look at Marvel universe, their isn’t many who have better tech than Tony (maybe Reed). As far as villains go, Mandarin, has those rings with so much advanced alien tech that it almost seems like magic.

I can just see their being a situation where people, even Tony, think it is magic, until he figures out it’s not, and then he can counteract the Mandarin. Anyway, Avengers is going to be a massive movie, but I’m sure Iron Man 3 is almost assured.

[RoboAmish]

I guess the fact that Hammer was most likely a member of the Ten Rings was the only real clue that they were probably building up to the Mandarin by the next film

[protocida]

Well, Whiplash bough his passport from a 10 Rings gangster.

[RoboAmish]

Ah, didn't catch that, must have been looking at my popcorn. You are more observant than me:hehe:

[Scorpion Soldier]

Ah, didn't catch that, must have been looking at my popcorn. You are more observant than me:hehe:
In the theatrical cut nobody ever mentions the ganster was part of the Ten Rings, Ivan asking for help was cut from the theatrical version.

[TheseScars]

I don't think Whiplash was part of the Ten Rings originally...Although he might of been after Hammer helps him and employs him. After seeing the film 4 times now I would have to say Hammer is working for the Ten Rings definitley. He is wearing a ring but it's not a stretch to think a very rich eccentric guy would wear a pinky ring.

I just don't think Hammer would have the resources to get to as many people it would of taken to get to to get Whiplash out of that French prison. They really don't explain or elude to a bigger group of people that are against Tony but I could see Hammer coming back in Iron Man 3 under the employment of The Mandarin. The Mandarin being a Middle East version of Stark, maybe from Dubai and after the events of Thor and the Avengers introducing the more magical elements of the Marvel Universe The Mandarin's rings can be explain as being the "Keys" to alien spaceships as I've heard them explained as before...would be fun...Then all of a sudden Hammer has powers to beat Tony without having to duplicate his technology.

I wonder what Tony would do then? How do you defeat something you can't duplicate?...Steal the rings? I didn't read a lot of Iron Man comics so I'm not sure how Iron Man beat him in all those situations..

[Droogoonie789]

Well, I think there'd be some clues in dialogue or something, like in the first Iron Man. Like when Yen Sin said one of the languages that the gangs spoke was Russian, the jets were called Whiplash, and Tony mentioned the name Ivan when joking with Rhodey.

I have yet to see IM2, so I'm not sure if it will have any dialogue clues. I'll be playing close attention though :yay:

[roach]

if you look into the arc reactor Ivan builds you can see Venom

[ChickenScratch]

You know, after having read the novelization the stuff that's not explicitly said in the move I still get. Like someone could have missed that 10 Rings guy. I don't know, sometimes stuff's automatically filled in.

[SpiderByte]

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[Hiruu]

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Sums it up.

Yeah, but the issue has always been how do you bring "magic" into the equation. Granted, the Mandarin's rings aren't magically, but science so advanced, it's magic to us...but that presents a perfect contrast to what Stark represents,...that of science being a panacea.

[sabetoonth]

well, as far as science being "majically" advanced, they will be doing that with thor.
havent seen the movie, but they have said that the Mandarin is being built up as an "Emporer Palpatine" role, he doesnt really show up until numebr three but they talk about him, or they give clues to him, Mandarin is in for sure

[TheVileOne]

There's nothing overtly referencing a new villain in this movie.

The gangster that gives Vanko his info isn't clearly mentioned as a TEN RINGS gangster despite being credited as such. In the first movie, Faran Tahir's character is clearly identified as being a part of the TEN RINGS and the banner is in his tent at his base when Stane meets with him. There are no noticeable references to TEN RINGS or the MANDARIN in this movie unless you research it further.

[Rock Sexton]

With Iron Man 2 out of the shoot, and based on what it looks like it is going to do at the box office, Marvel (With Disney eyeing the bottom line) will be looking to get the third film out…maybe in 2013 (The cast aren’t getting any younger). I think without question, that the villain for the movie is going to be Mandarin.

First off, they kept showing the clip of Howard Stark talking about how anything can be solved with technology, and when you look at Marvel universe, their isn’t many who have better tech than Tony (maybe Reed). As far as villains go, Mandarin, has those rings with so much advanced alien tech that it almost seems like magic.

I can just see their being a situation where people, even Tony, think it is magic, until he figures out it’s not, and then he can counteract the Mandarin. Anyway, Avengers is going to be a massive movie, but I’m sure Iron Man 3 is almost assured.

Favreau has already stated it's gonna be Mandarin. It's really no secret anymore.

[bestever23]

Mandarin better be in it next time

[Micah12345]

Alien tech for mandarin's rings is the way to go.

[kedrell]

Favreau has already stated it's gonna be Mandarin. It's really no secret anymore.

True but he needs to wait to see how the other Marvel films play out to get a read on how to proceed with the Mandarin. Thankfully, he'll have plenty of time to work on it rather than being forced into a 2-year production schedule.

[DocHoliday]

Yeah Mandarin needs to show up in 3. I think he will.

[Phoenix_Flare]

yea I think the "last" Iron Man film (just saying) should feature is arc-nemesis...the Mandarin storyline maybe "out there" ,but if written right it could be done I would love to see the "Demon in the Bottle" storyline mixed w/Mandarin and this time Tony really has an apocalypse on his hands, Sheild for what ever reason won't help him and this leads him to drink....Personally I think Mandarin would be big enough villian to bring the trilogy to a close....

[DW4]

The one unfortunate thing with the Iron Man cast is that the actors minus Scarlett Johansson(if she is involved in the future films) aren't young. RBJ is 45 and will be 46 when filming The Avengers and hopefully only 47 while filming Iron Man 3. Don Cheadle is a year older and Paltrow turns 40 in 2012.

I'm not saying 40 is old and these days in Hollywood, 40s are the new 30's but it doesn't give them as much time like Captain America and Thor have.

While with Thor and Captain America neither Evans or Hemsworth are even 30 yet and countless sequels can be made with those lead characters.

[Droogoonie789]

if you look into the arc reactor Ivan builds you can see Venom

:pal::pal::pal::pal:

[sabetoonth]

if you look into the arc reactor Ivan builds you can see Venom
and if you look harder you see Tom Rothman(even though he has nothing to do with either movie)

[scatterax]

this isn't hinted at in the movie, but I think mandarin will give hammer access to more advanced perhaps alien technology to make ultimo to fight the heros at the end like how the drones were used. maybe ultimo could be a magic technology hybrid. that would be interesting too. but ya I think mandarin will be the main villain with ultimo built by hammer playing a small part too near the end.

[Heretic]

Hammer has proven to be a numbskull that cant control his own guys, has no tech ability, and cant out-think or out-fight his enemies...

Why would Mandarin give him anything? Not saying it wont happen...but this film didnt exactly set Hammer up as a major threat.

[bullets]

The one unfortunate thing with the Iron Man cast is that the actors minus Scarlett Johansson(if she is involved in the future films) aren't young. RBJ is 45 and will be 46 when filming The Avengers and hopefully only 47 while filming Iron Man 3. Don Cheadle is a year older and Paltrow turns 40 in 2012.

I'm not saying 40 is old and these days in Hollywood, 40s are the new 30's but it doesn't give them as much time like Captain America and Thor have.

While with Thor and Captain America neither Evans or Hemsworth are even 30 yet and countless sequels can be made with those lead characters.


RDJ is in incredible shape for his age. I know he will have to slow down soon but he'll still be able to do Avengers , IM2 , and maybe Avengers 2 . Meanwhile Marvel can still work on sequels to those other characters and create new ones .
Also ILM does most of the work ..

[Octoberist]

i really thought it was a missed opportunity to show that the dude who gave Vanko the fake ID and pass to the race was a member of the Ten Rings. At least show that he was wearing a RING.

[JerseyJoker]

I keep reading how people are disappointed that the Ten Rings/Mandarin doesn't show up in Iron Man 2, but i dont think Favs is missing the target, but working this pretty well.

While obviously fans would love cues to Ten Rings/Mandarin up front, the sneaky approach, the behind the scenes approach that Favs is going with, letting the other villains have their time, while also developing this story behind the scenes.

[M.O.Steel]

if you look into the arc reactor Ivan builds you can see Venom

:funny::funny::funny:

[M.O.Steel]

As far as villains go, Mandarin, has those rings with so much advanced alien tech that it almost seems like magic.

I can just see their being a situation where people, even Tony, think it is magic, until he figures out it’s not, and then he can counteract the Mandarin. Anyway, Avengers is going to be a massive movie, but I’m sure Iron Man 3 is almost assured.

sounds pretty good to me :up: a little bit of how sherlock movie was, where everyone thinks it's magic and supernatural but in the end nothing more than cheap parlor tricks.

Yeah, but the issue has always been how do you bring "magic" into the equation. Granted, the Mandarin's rings aren't magically, but science so advanced, it's magic to us...but that presents a perfect contrast to what Stark represents,...that of science being a panacea.

that's the angle thor is using. since the movie is in the same continuity, they could work that angle. but that's one of the reasons i hate cross-over movies.

in my personal opinion, based on the strong reality that the first two films are anchored in, the previous version works better. i feel that they are kinda ruining the continuity of the marvel-verse by streamlining thor to be realistic.

this is the same reason i don't want superman in nolan's batman universe.

[TheVileOne]

The thing is we only know about the mobster in the second movie because we post on these forums. No one else would catch on to that otherwise.

In the first movie the 10 Rings were actually mentioned and their crest was shown.

[the alamo rippe]

anybody else think jon may give The mandarin a armored suit

[MOVIELORD101]

Yeah, I think they're DEFINITELY going to reveal Mandarin as leader of the Ten Rings FOR SURE.
Speaking of Whiplash, what was up with him telling Tony "You lose" EVERY TIME TONY KICKS HIS SORRY CAN? There was NO way for Whiplash to get some sense of moral victory out of that unless he was just doing what he did as a weird act of suicide. Can someone PLEASE explain that? He was a good villain, but I just don't get that one part at all.

[JerseyJoker]

Its more of a sense of morality, Whiplash has proven that the Iron Man can be hurt, he can be embarrassed and that there are horrible people out in the world that have the ability to mimic his weaponry. Going against everything he stated wouldn't happen in the senate meeting.

The second time he says it, its more of a suicide bomber's style "You Lose" cause Whiplash is making all the drones and himself explode, which will no doubt cause casualties around the grounds and hopefully kill Iron Man himself.

Besides that...

ANyone manage to find that Fin Fang Foom easter egg/cameo that was all the rage in rumors?

[protocida]

In Monaco, Ivan "won" by having the world see that Tony was wrong. That the Iron Man technology could be reproduced. That he wasn't as invencible as he led people to believe. That was Ivan's plan the whole time. Make "God" bleed for people to cease to believe him.

The second time, Ivan "won" by rigging the Drones to explode, destroying Stark Expo and, by extension, Tony's legacy. He just didn't knew that Tony rediscovered what his legacy truly was and no longer cared about indulging himself. Also, he didn't count on Tony being fast enough to save Pepper.

Fing Fang Foom appears in a bilboard during the chase scene, when Tony, Rhodes and the Air Assault Drones leave the Expo and fly arround the city.

[JerseyJoker]

I know that, just guess i dont have the eye for it, i guess ill wait for a screencap of it appears to enjoy the easter egg.

[kedrell]

I already posted this idea regarding the 2nd "you lose" remark by Ivan in another thread but I'll reiterate it here:

Perhaps he had more than one meaning. If Ivan really wanted to get at Tony, what could be better than uploading all the secrets of how the power source works all over the internet before going to the final battle with Iron Man? That's what Tony's biggest fear is and why he was so adamant about doing "the lone gunslinger" thing the whole movie. And the set up for IM3 with the Mandarin then pretty much writes itself as what will probably be a take on the Armor Wars storyline. Keep in mind, the AW storyline couldn't have been as effective in this movie because one of the dramatic points to the story is that Iron Man actually fights other heroes who disagree with his actions. Now they hadn't been introduced by the time IM2 was out(other than Hulk, who wouldn't give a **** anyway) but they'll be fully usable by the time IM3 comes out.

[Avengers-Report]

Well, Whiplash bough his passport from a 10 Rings gangster.

Woahh did not catch that one.

[JerseyJoker]

Yeah, in the commentary, Fav's talks about it and says that he originally wanted to do a closeup on the guys neck where it shows that he has the Ten Rings logo tattooed on his neck.

[the alamo rippe]

anybody wann bet the madrian will have a armored suit powered by the rings?

[Excelsior.]

No.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, in the commentary, Fav's talks about it and says that he originally wanted to do a closeup on the guys neck where it shows that he has the Ten Rings logo tattooed on his neck.
My question is . . . why didn't he?

[Alientraveller]

sounds pretty good to me :up: a little bit of how sherlock movie was, where everyone thinks it's magic and supernatural but in the end nothing more than cheap parlor tricks.

Problem is, Downey would object to making two films with the same twist. I think with Thor and The Avengers, we could definitely see a more 'fantastical' Mandarin considering based on each Marvel movie we know in this world:

Iron Man - AI exists.
The Incredible Hulk - The military has been working on supersoldiers since WW2, and the secret is serums and gamma radiation.
Iron Man 2 - That Howard Stark was on the verge of creating new elements.
Thor - Aliens exist.
Captain America - The Nazis had really advanced vehicles in the HYDRA division.

So gradually, being realistic is becoming less of a concern. Thank goodness for floating timelines, because the Marvel Universe would be so different from our world if fifty years had passed since Fantastic Four #1!