After the credits scene ***SPOILERS***

[E.Brock]

Here's my question... Are we lead to believe that the post credits scene in Iron Man 2 is just Thor's hammer that has fallen or do you think Thor is in that crater right next to Mjolnir? What if the crater is from Thor falling to Earth after getting banned from Asgard. What do you guys think?

[Vartha]

Here's my question... Are we lead to believe that the post credits scene in Iron Man 2 is just Thor's hammer that has fallen or do you think Thor is in that crater right next to Mjolnir? What if the crater is from Thor falling to Earth after getting banned from Asgard. What do you guys think?
Look in the Mjolnir Threads EB.
We go over the EXACT scenes from the Comics. By the way, the ending to IM2 was leaked awhile ago, the links and pics to the scenes are bootleg do not post them.

[TNC9852002]

I'm glad I stayed away from all spoilers, because I didn't even know for sure that there would be scene after the credits at all or who/what would be in it.

Actually, my theater's sound cut out completely after Clausen got out of his car, so, I don't know what he was saying on the phone...

[TheFuture]

I'm glad I stayed away from all spoilers, because I didn't even know for sure that there would be scene after the credits at all or who/what would be in it.

Actually, my theater's sound cut out completely after Clausen got out of his car, so, I don't know what he was saying on the phone...

I think it was something along the lines of "Sir, we've found him." Then the camera pans out to Mjolnir to which the screen goes black to the sound of crackling thunder.

Believe it or not, after two viewings I still didn't catch on to the crackling thunder, I only realised it after someone pointed it out on YouTube. :o

[Bruce Malone]

Well its actually stated what fell. The post above has the quote.

[Webhead2006]

well it could be that thor is in the crator too. But i think its probably just his hammer that fall to earth in a different spot maybe then where thor himself fell

[Vartha]

I'm gonna Have to listen hard to what Coulson says ay IM2 this afternoon.

[Fiasco24]

pretty sure he said sir we found HIM. meaning he is in the crator. i dont think he said sir we found IT.

[bubbadoom]

I think he said we found IT.

I do not think Thor is there with the hammer, I think they land on Earth in different locations.

[Amazing Afroman]

He said we fount "it" not "him"

[Spider-ManHero12]

The ending to this film was amazing. It has me so pumped for the Thor film!

[spider-neil]

definately says 'it'. seen the movie twice now

[Hush]

Yeah its "it" and its AWESOME!

[Microchip]

It's 'it', but remember that Thor is shooting in New Mexico, isn't it? Perhaps it's shooting in New Mexico because the scenes are actually set in New Mexico, and we'll see why the hammer is in the crater in Thor.

[Vartha]

well it could be that thor is in the crator too. But i think its probably just his hammer that fall to earth in a different spot maybe then where thor himself fell
Coulson does say,

"we found HIM" and we only see Mjolnir in THAT shot in the crater

[Webhead2006]

actually he said IT

[Vartha]

I read his lips WH, he says HIM

[marcvader]

So if he said him that would mean its not first contact as they know they were looking for a person. If he said it then this could possibly be first contact as they could have been unaware what caused the crater.

[ImWithTeamConan]

I thought he said "it" and I'm guessing that means Thor and IM2 are happening at the same time, meaning they've come to know of Thor's existence right about the middle of IM2.

[echostation]

Jeez guys... IT, HIM, this and that...

It was either THEM or HER... focus on the homogeneity and don't always think that they found a man... this is equivalent and equivative of gender bias... it's HER or homogenize the two as in go for kashti compromise... not It or him... but THEM

Mjolnir I hope has an animated CG smiley face that talks to Thor in the next film... that would mirror how close it is to the current funny books....

[Vartha]

I thought he said "it" and I'm guessing that means Thor and IM2 are happening at the same time, meaning they've come to know of Thor's existence right about the middle of IM2.
Heh JUST after the credits went black on the screen, the guy in the "camera Room" turned on the lights the people who remained behind all yelled "HEYYY" lol He turned the lights off again. lol
There were a couple guys next to me I didn't l know, as it started "I said FINALLY in full size" they laughed.:woot:

[Webhead2006]

lol well i cant wait to see it myself in theater that is.

[Saint]

He says "it," and this is not debatable.

[Son of Coul]

I thought it was "him" when I saw it in the theater, but after rewatching it on YouTube he very clearly says "it".

[Vartha]

Yeah I watched the you tube ones too he does say "it"

[Ace of Knaves]

Naaaa you are all wrong. He says "clit"

"Sir, i've found clit"

:awesome:

[The Geek Vault]

I saw the movie tonight and he definitly says it. Another couple notes on this subject one is that my friend swears that you see Thor in the jail scene getting his picture taken. another thing to remember is taht in the original comics When thor was sent to earth he was in the guise of donald blake and didn't even remember his time as thor.

[Ace of Knaves]

They're not going the Donald Blake route. He'll just be Thor, but depowered and probably without his memories of being a God when he comes to Earth.

[Rock Sexton]

I saw the movie tonight and he definitly says it. Another couple notes on this subject one is that my friend swears that you see Thor in the jail scene getting his picture taken. another thing to remember is taht in the original comics When thor was sent to earth he was in the guise of donald blake and didn't even remember his time as thor.

Well your friend is blind. :awesome:

[Karelia]

I made sure to stay for the credits to see the scene. A few people stayed but a lot of them left. The ones who stayed were having nerdgasms. Lots of yelling "THORRRR!!! GOD OF THUNDER!"

Scene was pretty epic. Got me even more excited for the Thor film :D The music and thunder cracking was perfect.

[Son of Coul]

One guy in my theater apparently didn't expect Thor to be in an Avengers movie and just went "aw, really? really?" after the end, but everyone else got a kick out of it. Even me, who had it spoiled by **************.com who had to post the icon on their MAIN PAGE. I would've known what it was anyway from just browsing the internet, but spoiling the image itself really annoyed me.

Also Coulson drives up and all these agents are doing tons of work, then Coulson calls up and says "We found it." Wait a minute, "We?" I'm pretty sure YOU didn't find anything your gps didn't take you to. Stop trying to take all the credit, Coulson.

[bubbadoom]

Coulson meant we as in SHEILD found it.

[Anubis Raptor]

Only about four people stayed in my theatre.

[The Geek Vault]

Well your friend is blind. :awesome:
Not exactly this was originally supossed to be Thor's cameo not sure if the man standing there was still Thor or a different guy this time.

[The Geek Vault]

They're not going the Donald Blake route. He'll just be Thor, but depowered and probably without his memories of being a God when he comes to Earth.
So he won't change into a different looking person? That's good because I never quite understood how that whole thing worked. Although didn't they say that some actress was playing a nurse to Donald Blake? I wonder if Thor we'll say that is his name or something.

[Webhead2006]

yea it was already proven by fav thor wasnt in that prison scene. since we know thor arrival on earth isnt to the end of event of iron man 2 and all that.

[Vartha]

So he won't change into a different looking person? That's good because I never quite understood how that whole thing worked. Although didn't they say that some actress was playing a nurse to Donald Blake? I wonder if Thor we'll say that is his name or something.
Well nobody has been CAST as Blake, so we don't think there will be one unless they use Chris as Blake too.
The FIRST draft of the Script had no sign of Blake at all.

[Webhead2006]

well actually vartha its been stated countless times by kevin friege that thor wont be going by donald blake at all in the film. And as stated before it was proven weeks ago and just a few days ago too by jon fav that isnt thor in im2 prison scene. Plus i pointed out before when it was first brought up it was one of two actors hired for prisoner role in the film.

[Ace of Knaves]

Why would he be in a prison in France anyway?

[Webhead2006]

true there too since we know in thor he is in new mexico lol.

[Ace of Knaves]

Thor is gonna be siiiiick :D

[Vartha]

Thor is gonna be siiiiick :D
heh I once wondered if Thor got homesick after he got bannished :woot:

[Anubis Raptor]

I wonder if the crater was caused by Thor or Mjolnir?

[TheCorpulent1]

Mjolnir, probably. It's pretty heavy.
So he won't change into a different looking person? That's good because I never quite understood how that whole thing worked. Although didn't they say that some actress was playing a nurse to Donald Blake? I wonder if Thor we'll say that is his name or something.
Natalie Portman's been cast as Jane Foster, who was Blake's nurse in the comics but will be a college student in the film. The dude in the prison may or may not have been Thor, but I can't imagine why Thor would be in some random prison in Monaco while his hammer is in New Mexico, so I'm personally considering him "some blonde dude."

I went to see Iron Man 2 at 10:30 a.m. yesterday, so the theater was almost empty. There were about a dozen people there. Most stayed through the credits and they seemed pretty happy with the scene. I tried to suppress my own nerdgasm the best I could, but I still clapped and giggled, even though I was there by myself. :)

[Anubis Raptor]

I went by myself also and it was early as well. Only about 15 people were in attendence. I like it when the theatre is that way:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Me too. I hate crowded theaters.

[Son of Coul]

Aw, I love being with a big enthusiastic crowd opening night, only sucks when there are obnoxious teens and people talking, which isn't as common as you'd think. You just have to hit it at the right time. I don't mind kids too much if they're into it (ie. kid in IM1 theater "whoa cool!" "did he die?", etc.) and if the parents take them out if they cry or misbehave, which usually happens.

My friend tried starting a slow clap when the title came up, no dice though.

[storyteller]

I think the dude in prison is not Thor and he is revealed later in the movie in a very escapist scene. Without knowing how this film ends. This could easily be the start of Thor or the end of it.

[smooth3006]

I read his lips WH, he says HIM


agreed i just saw ironman2 and that's what he said.

[smooth3006]

Well nobody has been CAST as Blake, so we don't think there will be one unless they use Chris as Blake too.
The FIRST draft of the Script had no sign of Blake at all.


according to imdb he indeed plays blake as well. :woot:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/

[TheCorpulent1]

IMDB's not exactly reliable when it comes to movies that are still in production.

[smooth3006]

IMDB's not exactly reliable when it comes to movies that are still in production.


yeah i dunno i was just posting it for rumor sake. why would you guys be upset if they went that route?

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't be upset, I just don't think they're actually going to go that route. It'd steal Hemsworth's spotlight a bit by having another actor play the lead for what would likely be a significant portion of the film, plus Kevin Feige (a bigwig at Marvel's movie arm) said outright that Blake isn't in the film.

[Webhead2006]

speaking of the french prisoner scene it was either actor Mark Kubr or
Jonathan Eisley.

[Figs]

For you hardcore Thor fans.

After I saw the end credits scene I was wondering why Thor wouldn't be there with his Hammer. Did he lose it when he got banished to Earth?

[Vartha]

For you hardcore Thor fans.

After I saw the end credits scene I was wondering why Thor wouldn't be there with his Hammer. Did he lose it when he got banished to Earth?
Well the way Thor and the Asgardians return from a Ragnarok back in 2007 is posted here,
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336265

I put up what actually happened in the comics. It LOOKS like the movie is copying parts of the original Origin and the new Return of Thor.

[Figs]

Thanks for the reply!

[Vartha]

no problem

[Anubis Raptor]

Well the way Thor and the Asgardians return from a Ragnarok back in 2007 is posted here,
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336265

I put up what actually happened in the comics. It LOOKS like the movie is copying parts of the original Origin and the new Return of Thor.

You know I think you're right.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it seems like Thor and the hammer fall to Earth separately for whatever reason. Not a big deal. No one else can move Thor's hammer besides him anyway (remember, Captain America's movie doesn't come out 'til after Thor). ;)

[Son of Coul]

Unless he let go of it while falling and they ended up in two slightly different places, even if near each other. Isn't it speculated that when Thor lands, he's hit by a car that contains Jane Foster and Stellan Skarsgard's character? If so, that'd make sense why he's not there and the hammer is. Not to mention the hammer would make a huge crater upon landing, Thor probably wouldn't.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sure he would. Thor weighs like 600 lbs. in the comics. His body is supposed to be much denser than a human's, which is why he's so tough and strong.

[Rock Sexton]

Not exactly this was originally supossed to be Thor's cameo not sure if the man standing there was still Thor or a different guy this time.

It wasn't Thor.... get over it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not sure why people want it to be Thor so badly. Does the idea of a big blonde dude in a Monaco prison strike them as so absolutely Thor-appropriate that it must be him, even though there are statistically a hell of a lot of other large blonde men that it could be? We got 3 clear references to other Marvel movies. Just let the blonde guy be some blonde guy.

[Sub-Zero]

i'm definitely sure i heard, and he said, "IT." they probably would've shown a hand or foot or something in that scene had it actually been thor himself. that's my thought, at least.

it's funny this reminds me of tdk when some dude "thought" batman said joker's goon, who dent kidnaps, was "jervis tetch" when we all heard "thomas schiff."
people hear what they want to hear. they want to believe what they want to believe. everyone loves to blow things out of proportion here. everyone thought olivia munn would have a huge role in IM2, and look what happened there. she was in it for less than 30 seconds

[WillardNation]

Even me, who had it spoiled by **************.com who had to post the icon on their MAIN PAGE. I would've known what it was anyway from just browsing the internet, but spoiling the image itself really annoyed me.

Yeah, it was spoiled for me by some dick head on the hype I follow on twitter (I forgot his hype name) who posted it in a tweet. I was ****ing enraged.

[Webhead2006]

well from what i think. is probably thor and his hammer did land in the same place. Thor crawled out of the creator not knowing who he is beyond his own name. That this point is when jane/stellan's character run into thor and thor goes with them. He then gets his hammer back probably around midway of the film i would figure and we go on from there.

[Son of Coul]

Sure he would. Thor weighs like 600 lbs. in the comics. His body is supposed to be much denser than a human's, which is why he's so tough and strong.
Oh, well in any case, he could still have either fallen off to another area or left the crater before SHIELD got there. If Thor does get stripped of his powers, he won't be able to carry Mjolnir anyway, no? So I could see him leaving it behind. I'm not well-versed in this stuff, so correct me if I'm wrong. You're pretty much my go-to Thor guy here.

[marcvader]

Just cause there's a crater doesn't mean that Thor or Mjolnir "fell" and landed there together. Do you guys remember how the Terminator arrived? It was a glowing ball that ended up leaving a hole. Not every arrival to our world or dimension has to be done the same. I think something more interesting than just falling out of the blue would be more appropriate.

[misjuevos]

this discussion is in another thread with shiny pictures about mjolnir landing on earth. from a ff comic

[BDS23420]

he says "sir we found it" and then they pan over and we see Thors hammer....

[meowth49]

he says "sir we found it" and then they pan over and we see Thors hammer....

Id say thor fell and was picked by jane and co.

and mjolnir fell further away in the desert where noone was around. SHIELD was monitoring the fall to earth and kept tabs on where thor was and let him go about his business but keeping an eye on him.

when they realise who he is they know they have to find the hammer and go searching for it, the reason agent coulsen is sent away to get it, and what fury is talkin about when he says to stark "i have bigger problems than you in the southwest region to deal with". prob mans they cant move it and loki might be on his way to pick it up

[WillardNation]

but Loki can't pick it up either

[meowth49]

but Loki can't pick it up either
he wouldnt know that, neither would the humans. most incarnations of loki is sure that he can until he tries

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, well in any case, he could still have either fallen off to another area or left the crater before SHIELD got there. If Thor does get stripped of his powers, he won't be able to carry Mjolnir anyway, no? So I could see him leaving it behind. I'm not well-versed in this stuff, so correct me if I'm wrong. You're pretty much my go-to Thor guy here.
Thor's worthiness has nothing to do with his powers. He should be able to lift it still. I imagine he probably loses his memories and doesn't know to look for it or something.

[ViciousValentin]

IS it possible he lost the Hammer in a battle on Earth and is still recovering, when we get the scene in Ironman2. Obviously SHIELD already knows of his existence in IM2 as well as the existence of Captain America. Can we not assume THOR is already on Earth when Fury says his biggest problem is in the SOUTHWEST? And then again maybe it's not even THOR whom he is alluding too. Thor could already be part of the Initiative for all we know. Im sticking to my theory. THOR lost the HAMMER in battle with the HULK which we will see in the THOR movie. At the end of The Incredible Hulk Loki took control of the HULK while he was meditating, then LOKI leads HULK to battle THOR. They both end up hurt and defeated at the end with THOR losing his HAMMER. JUST speculation but I think we get HULK vs. THOR in THOR movie.

[meowth49]

IS it possible he lost the Hammer in a battle on Earth and is still recovering, when we get the scene in Ironman2. Obviously SHIELD already knows of his existence in IM2 as well as the existence of Captain America. Can we not assume THOR is already on Earth when Fury says his biggest problem is in the SOUTHWEST? And then again maybe it's not even THOR whom he is alluding too. Thor could already be part of the Initiative for all we know. Im sticking to my theory. THOR lost the HAMMER in battle with the HULK which we will see in the THOR movie. At the end of The Incredible Hulk Loki took control of the HULK while he was meditating, then LOKI leads HULK to battle THOR. They both end up hurt and defeated at the end with THOR losing his HAMMER. JUST speculation but I think we get HULK vs. THOR in THOR movie.

hulk vs thor in thor movie would be a waste of a great avengers moment, thor will already be battling destroyer and the forces of loki.

if he lost it would be battling the destroyer, id say.

save it for the avengers movie, all of them doing their best against hulk then thor shows up and lays the smack down on him

[TheCorpulent1]

I think people are getting a little too carried away with the crossover stuff. I very highly doubt that the Hulk will be playing a major role in Thor's movie, or any role at all beyond a minor cameo, at most.

[Vartha]

Yeah I agree Corp.
ViciousValentin, If you look at the first page of the Official Mjolnir thread I posted how Mjolnir returns in the comics, Hulk has NOTHING to do with Mjolnir returning to earth because Thor had stopped the Ragnarok Cycle, Asgard was gone and Thor was in a God sleep in the Void.

(http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=82027)

[GreenKToo]

I kinda look at it like this. It's assumed that Thor and Mjolnir probably fell to earth at terrific speed ( hence the crater). If Thor was unconscious when he fell, its quite possible he let go of Mjolnir, and just like a meteor that breaks up when it falls, the pieces can be scattered for miles. He could have easily fallen miles away from where Mjolnir landed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Or, for all we know, Odin sends Thor to Earth first and then has Mjolnir fall later in a very impressive spectacle to ensure that Thor will hear about it and maybe have his memory jogged.

[Vartha]

yeah IF Thor fell with Mjolnir.
See, with the journey into mystery origin Thor was already on earth IN Blake and Blake found Mjolnir.
With the Recent return of Thor Mjolnir fell on it's own to Earth, we don't know what actually called Mjolnir to Earth.

From they way it Sounds Thor was banished after restarting an Ancient war so maybe after a time Odin sends Mjolnir to Earth which is what we're seeing in IM2.

[GreenKToo]

Yeah, so many possibilities.

[Rock Sexton]

yeah IF Thor fell with Mjolnir.
See, with the journey into mystery origin Thor was already on earth IN Blake and Blake found Mjolnir.
With the Recent return of Thor Mjolnir fell on it's own to Earth, we don't know what actually called Mjolnir to Earth.

From they way it Sounds Thor was banished after restarting an Ancient war so maybe after a time Odin sends Mjolnir to Earth which is what we're seeing in IM2.

I would think that someone back on Asgard casts the Hammer down to earth upon learning of Loki's intentions to kill Thor with the Destroyer .... but then again, who would be able to do that? That would entail somebody being able to move it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Odin can move it.

[Vartha]

Well in the first draft,

The dwarf king didn't agree with Odin's banishment of Thor, so he Transforms Mjolnir into a stick/cane and hides it in a pile of THOUSANDS of look alike Sticks at the base of the world tree, only THOR would know which was Mjolnir.

It'll be interesting in how they Adapt and combine the Recent return and the original Origin.

[Weadazoid]

My favorite thing that no one else has mentioned....SURPRISINGLY!!!



The Land of Enchantment.....


NICE PLACE!!! LOL

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, I meant to say something about that. I like that they kept stressing that "land of enchantment" thing. Put my mind at ease regarding the magical aspects of Thor's character. :up:

[WillardNation]

I think they were just saying that cuz it's the state motto. Everybody who lives here calls it "The Land of Entrapment".

[TheFuture]

How could Thor lose the hammer? Doesn't it return to him in the comics when he throws it and ****?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, but it's not glued to him or anything. Presumably he lost it in some way that didn't involve his throwing it or he was separated from it some other way. Maybe Odin just flat-out took it from him--he can lift it and we know Thor coming to Earth in the first place is a punishment.
I think they were just saying that cuz it's the state motto. Everybody who lives here calls it "The Land of Entrapment".
Haha, poor New Mexicans. But I like that they keep focusing on that motto, since it has a clear tie to Thor being magical and "enchanting."

[Vartha]

How could Thor lose the hammer? Doesn't it return to him in the comics when he throws it and ****?
Well technically after the end of Volume 2 and the end of the Ragnarok cycle and Thor going into a God sleep in the void there was nobody to "watch" Mjolnir.
We do not know HOW Mjolnir returned to Earth just that there was trouble brewing on Earth where Thor was needed and it somehow returned on it's own.
Don't forget, Mjolnir is somewhat Sentinent due to the enchantments, it makes it's own decissions on who is worthy to pick it up, so who's to say Mjolnir can't sense when Thor's needed on Earth?

[Manowar]

Thor has to will Mjolnir to return to his hand. When Thor holsters the weapon, it doesn't fly out of the holster and back into his hand.

As for Mjolnir being on Earth while Thor was gone. Maybe Thor's true Mother, Mother Earth/Jord/Gaia or whatever she is called was watching over it herself :)

[Shivsguy616]

I'd love a scene in Avengers where they are using heavy machinery to try to extract Mjolnir, only to have Thor walk by and nonchalantly pick it up. Cap and Ironman could try later in the film just out of curiosity, which could lead to a dramatic scene where Hulk IS able to pick it up near the end.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would hate that, since the Hulk can't pick up Mjolnir. Why arbitrarily change that element for the movies? :huh:

[Shivsguy616]

Why arbitrarily change that element for the movies? :huh:

Why not? It's a seperate continuity, a seperate universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Because it's stupid. Why should the Hulk be able to lift Thor's hammer? The only people who want to see that are Hulk fanboys who aren't content with the fact that the Hulk is already portrayed as being stronger than everyone else put together. Not to mention the fact that the Hulk is a moronic savage, so it makes absolutely no sense for him to be worthy, and if you just have him lift it through pure strength, you're effectively pissing all over Thor's magic. Let another character have something special, for crying out loud, or why stop there? Why not hand over Cap's shield to the Hulk and have Tony Stark build a sweet suit of armor for him while you're at it?

[Shivsguy616]

I don't particularly like Hulk that much, it would just be a good demonstration of strength for a film. I'm not going to argue with you about that sort of thing, because frankly I don't care as much as you do.

[TheCorpulent1]

A good demonstration of strength is the Hulk tossing tanks around or lifting a plane. The Hulk lifting Mjolnir is nothing more than a way of elevating the Hulk at Thor's expense.

[Vartha]

Thor has to will Mjolnir to return to his hand. When Thor holsters the weapon, it doesn't fly out of the holster and back into his hand.

As for Mjolnir being on Earth while Thor was gone. Maybe Thor's true Mother, Mother Earth/Jord/Gaia or whatever she is called was watching over it herself :)
Actually that's one thing that stays the same in both the Myth and Comic. Mjolnir was MADE to be thrown and return to the thrower, nothing is supposed to be able to stop it from returning to Thor's hand.
Odin had nothing to do with that part of the enchantment, that was the Dwarven magiks. For that matter most of the weapons made from uru that Asgardians own all do the same thing.
Sif has a Bow and Arrows made from Uru. The Arrows return to sif like Mjolnir to Thor.

[ViciousValentin]

I think people are getting a little too carried away with the crossover stuff. I very highly doubt that the Hulk will be playing a major role in Thor's movie, or any role at all beyond a minor cameo, at most.

are you serious...this is the first time its been done..and it hasnt been done right...yet...a THOR vs. HULK scene would be the best yet of all the movies and would tie together with the ending of The Incredible HUlk movie.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd just prefer to see them save it for Avengers. Thor's movie should be about Thor, not any other major characters. The Hulk didn't pop over to hijack either of Iron Man's movies and I doubt Iron Man's going to show up in Captain America. Let Thor just be about showing the audience who Thor is and what he's about. Hulk/Thor is a fun rivalry, but it's not an integral part of either character.

[Manowar]

Actually that's one thing that stays the same in both the Myth and Comic. Mjolnir was MADE to be thrown and return to the thrower, nothing is supposed to be able to stop it from returning to Thor's hand.
Odin had nothing to do with that part of the enchantment, that was the Dwarven magiks. For that matter most of the weapons made from uru that Asgardians own all do the same thing.
Sif has a Bow and Arrows made from Uru. The Arrows return to sif like Mjolnir to Thor.

Are you saying that when she shoots an arrow that hits an enemy, that said arrow then immediately rips out of the victim and flies back to Sif? Does she have to catch it or does it go straight into her quiver??:doh:

[marcvader]

I'd just prefer to see them save it for Avengers. Thor's movie should be about Thor, not any other major characters. The Hulk didn't pop over to hijack either of Iron Man's movies and I doubt Iron Man's going to show up in Captain America. Let Thor just be about showing the audience who Thor is and what he's about. Hulk/Thor is a fun rivalry, but it's not an integral part of either character. Agree 100%

[Webhead2006]

i doubt they will have hulk weld the hammer.

[Duker Jay]

i doubt they will have hulk weld the hammer.

Probably not. The fact that it's been forged my magical dwarven smiths means there's very little the Hulk could do to it even if he wanted to weld it. I don't think Banner's the one to fix it if it's broke. :cwink:

[Duker Jay]

I think people are getting a little too carried away with the crossover stuff. I very highly doubt that the Hulk will be playing a major role in Thor's movie, or any role at all beyond a minor cameo, at most.

Couldn't agree more. These movies aren't comic books. It doesn't make sense for them all to be in eachother's movies.

There's a reason there's not even been mention of the other characters within the actual body of the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if any cameos are reserved for the after credit scenes as an Easter Egg for fans...those references don't matter to the majority of the audience.

[Tony Stark]

Couldn't agree more. These movies aren't comic books. It doesn't make sense for them all to be in eachother's movies.

There's a reason there's not even been mention of the other characters within the actual body of the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if any cameos are reserved for the after credit scenes as an Easter Egg for fans...those references don't matter to the majority of the audience.

All the characters exist in the same Universe, Marvel has stated so, and there's going to be the Avengers movie. Obviously the movie has to first and foremost be about Thor, but the fact is the Hulk exists in the universe of this movie, and so does Tony Stark, and so does Steve Rogers.

[TheFuture]

Because it's stupid. Why should the Hulk be able to lift Thor's hammer? The only people who want to see that are Hulk fanboys who aren't content with the fact that the Hulk is already portrayed as being stronger than everyone else put together. Not to mention the fact that the Hulk is a moronic savage, so it makes absolutely no sense for him to be worthy, and if you just have him lift it through pure strength, you're effectively pissing all over Thor's magic. Let another character have something special, for crying out loud, or why stop there? Why not hand over Cap's shield to the Hulk and have Tony Stark build a sweet suit of armor for him while you're at it?

Agreed, but I'm guessing you didn't like that Ultimate Avengers animated film so? :oldrazz:

[Duker Jay]

All the characters exist in the same Universe, Marvel has stated so, and there's going to be the Avengers movie. Obviously the movie has to first and foremost be about Thor, but the fact is the Hulk exists in the universe of this movie, and so does Tony Stark, and so does Steve Rogers.

Yeah, they exist there, obviously.

But the individual movies are about that specific characters story. Nick Fury has shown up in Iron Man and Cap's shield makes a brief appearance, but these aren't the Avengers films.

Films need to have a complete different sensibility from the comics...characters aren't going to just pop by because they can and it would be really ridiculous to have Hulk show up in a major way in Thor's film...they got enough story and exposition to deal with without going into that.

Again, those are the sorts of things we'll see in the Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Agreed, but I'm guessing you didn't like that Ultimate Avengers animated film so? :oldrazz:
Not at all. But I don't like Ultimate anything, so that basically coated the whole viewing experience in a basic level of scorn that prevented me from getting too up-in-arms about that particular scene. I got far more upset at the unmitigated ass-kicking Thor received in Hulk vs. Thor, given that the characters seemed to be based a lot more on the classic versions in that.

[Figs]

Not at all. But I don't like Ultimate anything, so that basically coated the whole viewing experience in a basic level of scorn that prevented me from getting too up-in-arms about that particular scene. I got far more upset at the unmitigated ass-kicking Thor received in Hulk vs. Thor, given that the characters seemed to be based a lot more on the classic versions in that.

I take it Thor in the comics can hold his own pretty well against Hulk?

[TheCorpulent1]

For a while. They started out on equal footing in the '60s, but over the years the Hulk has won more and more of their fights. But only one or two of their many, many comic fights have been quite as flat-out embarrassing as that fight in Hulk vs. Thor. There was never even a hint of a suggestion that Thor might be able to win in that movie. What's the point of a rivalry if one character completely trounces the other?

[Figs]

For a while. They started out on equal footing in the '60s, but over the years the Hulk has won more and more of their fights. But only one or two of their many, many comic fights have been quite as flat-out embarrassing as that fight in Hulk vs. Thor. There was never even a hint of a suggestion that Thor might be able to win in that movie. What's the point of a rivalry if one character completely trounces the other?

Corp, i've been meaning to ask you.

What moves/action are you hoping is shown in Thor?

[Saint]

Because it's stupid. Why should the Hulk be able to lift Thor's hammer? The only people who want to see that are Hulk fanboys who aren't content with the fact that the Hulk is already portrayed as being stronger than everyone else put together. Not to mention the fact that the Hulk is a moronic savage, so it makes absolutely no sense for him to be worthy, and if you just have him lift it through pure strength, you're effectively pissing all over Thor's magic. Let another character have something special, for crying out loud, or why stop there? Why not hand over Cap's shield to the Hulk and have Tony Stark build a sweet suit of armor for him while you're at it?
Fairly, part of Hulk's charm is that he does things that he just shouldn't be able to do. He does things that can't be done; he thrives when he should die, he breaks things that can't be broken and he lifts things that can't be lifted. So it's not just a matter of "My hero is better than your hero" nonsense; it's just an element of the character.

That said, I generally prefer that the Hulk not lift Thor's hammer, as it devalues the power of the hammer, and there are plenty of other impossible feats for the Hulk to accomplish.

[TheFuture]

Not at all. But I don't like Ultimate anything, so that basically coated the whole viewing experience in a basic level of scorn that prevented me from getting too up-in-arms about that particular scene. I got far more upset at the unmitigated ass-kicking Thor received in Hulk vs. Thor, given that the characters seemed to be based a lot more on the classic versions in that.

I have to admit that at the time I was guilty of enjoying Hulk -v- Thor, it's hard not to enjoy Hulk in pure rage mode. But it was definitely far too one sided, they were probably trying to pimp the Hulk up to prepare for TIH. I think they are planning on releasing a similar film for Thor before the live action one is released.

For a while. They started out on equal footing in the '60s, but over the years the Hulk has won more and more of their fights. But only one or two of their many, many comic fights have been quite as flat-out embarrassing as that fight in Hulk vs. Thor. There was never even a hint of a suggestion that Thor might be able to win in that movie. What's the point of a rivalry if one character completely trounces the other?

Very true, I'm not all that familiar with the older comics but that's one thing I've always heard about, that Hulk for the most part always bests Thor. That's no rivalry. I thought World War Hulk was crazy in the sense that they basically jobbed everyone out to the Hulk.

[afan]

Not at all. But I don't like Ultimate anything, so that basically coated the whole viewing experience in a basic level of scorn that prevented me from getting too up-in-arms about that particular scene. I got far more upset at the unmitigated ass-kicking Thor received in Hulk vs. Thor, given that the characters seemed to be based a lot more on the classic versions in that.

Amen.....even more aggravating Wolverine fared better!

That said, I generally prefer that the Hulk not lift Thor's hammer, as it devalues the power of the hammer, and there are plenty of other impossible feats for the Hulk to accomplish.

For my money I enjoy seeing The Hulk, and only The Hulk, lifting Thor's hammer, but only just barely, say inches off the ground, and that's it. It should take extreme effort and an all consuming focus of purpose also.


Very true, I'm not all that familiar with the older comics but that's one thing I've always heard about, that Hulk for the most part always bests Thor.


or..... a plot device ends the battle before either can claim victory.

[NickNitro]

Honestly having Hulk pick up Mjolnir is pretty much the STUPIDEST comment I think Ive heard yet. From all of these fanboys and comic advocits you figure having someone pee pee (G rated :)) all over the very essence of Thor and his hammer from the very foundation of his comic book being pretty much is telling me IT IS EXACTLY MY HEROE IS BETTER THEN YOURS

To justify the Hulk picking up Mjolnir is idiotic at its most basic form. Thats like saying "Why should Hulk be the only one that gets stronger the angrier he gets, Thor is strong HE should be able to just keep getting stronger and stronger" or "Stark has a suite why cant THOR have one! Hes apart of the avengers they should all share eachothers stuff ITS ONLY FAIR!"

If you guys had it your way the image of The Avengers would be like 18 yr old girls trying out eachothers clothes before a night out on the town.

[TheCorpulent1]

I appreciate that you're passionate about showing Thor in a positive light, Nick, but dial back the aggression, please. No need to call people's opinions idiotic or denigrate their tastes because they're different from yours.
Corp, i've been meaning to ask you.

What moves/action are you hoping is shown in Thor?
Just basic stuff, like throwing the hammer and having it return, shooting lightning from the hammer, etc. I try not to get too attached to the idea of seeing anything specific on screen. It's not fair to arbitrarily build up my own expectations of what I want to see and then feel disappointed if Branagh doesn't deliver exactly that, like he's some kind of psychic tuned specifically into my brain during the movie's production. I just want Thor to be generally very impressive and regal and godly when he's got his powers. However Branagh wants to show that is fine, so long as it gets the message that Thor is one of the top powerhouses in the Marvel universe across.
I have to admit that at the time I was guilty of enjoying Hulk -v- Thor, it's hard not to enjoy Hulk in pure rage mode. But it was definitely far too one sided, they were probably trying to pimp the Hulk up to prepare for TIH. I think they are planning on releasing a similar film for Thor before the live action one is released.
Yeah, they're doing an animated movie about Thor's youth called Thor: Tales of Asgard. I'm not really expecting much from it, given that it's the same team who did Hulk vs. But I'm sure I'll wind up buying it anyway just to support Thor.

[afan]

Honestly having Hulk pick up Mjolnir is pretty much the STUPIDEST comment I think Ive heard yet.


I see it as the classic device used thruout lieterature of mortal man challenging the gods.
Mind you I qualify Hulk's ability to lift mjolnir. He can only raise it off the ground after extreme effort, and even then only inches, no weilding or throwing the hammer is possible.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

i doubt they will have hulk weld the hammer.

I trust in Marvel that they won't let this happen. If Fox had the rights to Thor I'm sure everyone and their mother would lift it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I see it as the classic device used thruout lieterature of mortal man challenging the gods.
Mind you I qualify Hulk's ability to lift mjolnir. He can only raise it off the ground after extreme effort, and even then only inches, no weilding or throwing the hammer is possible.
But that's unnecessary in Thor's case. Thor is all about the relationship between man and god already. Besides which, you could easily just have the Hulk fight Thor to a standstill if you want to show that mortals have the ability to challenge the gods. Having the Hulk lift Mjolnir does literally nothing other than elevate the Hulk at Thor's expense, and no one can argue that the Hulk isn't plenty elevated enough already without that.

[NickNitro]

I apologize guys for coming off a little brash. Rereading what I wrote it was a little too much. Sorry about that :doh:

[Manowar]

I see it as the classic device used thruout lieterature of mortal man challenging the gods.
Mind you I qualify Hulk's ability to lift mjolnir. He can only raise it off the ground after extreme effort, and even then only inches, no weilding or throwing the hammer is possible.

Still a horrible idea. Any Thor fan would be totally pissed if that happened because as Nick said it's *****.

You have to be WORTHY to be able to pick up the hammer. It has nothing to do with strength whatsoever.

So please, please, please tell us why you would even want to see this happen?

[Raiden]

But that's unnecessary in Thor's case. Thor is all about the relationship between man and god already. Besides which, you could easily just have the Hulk fight Thor to a standstill if you want to show that mortals have the ability to challenge the gods. Having the Hulk lift Mjolnir does literally nothing other than elevate the Hulk at Thor's expense, and no one can argue that the Hulk isn't plenty elevated enough already without that.

Personaly, I don't think ANYONE should be able to lift Mjolnir besides Thor; not Hulk, and not even Superman (even though he did it in that Avengers/JLA crossover). Thor had to prove that he was worthy before he could lift Mjolnir, but other superheroes can just pick it up without a moment's notice? That would belittle Thor and his virtues way too much.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, another thing about mortal man challenging the gods: In the context of Thor's hammer, the Hulk lifting it through pure brute strength doesn't even work. He's a totally unique 'mortal' man who's proven virtually impossible to kill and has other powers bordering on the divine. He's not representative of mortals in general, and he sure as hell isn't worthy in any sense because he's a dumb, selfish brute. So the Hulk lifting Mjolnir sends one message: the Hulk's power exceeds that of the gods, effectively making him a god himself rather than a representative of mortals.

Captain America, on the other hand, lifts Mjolnir because he's a stalwart warrior and a pure soul. He's worthy. Moreover, he's absolutely representative of the best qualities mortals have to offer. His only "powers" are that he's the pinnacle of everything humanity can achieve physically. His lifting Mjolnir carries the message that humanity has the capacity to elevate themselves above their collective faults and follies and count themselves as equals to the gods in nobility and all other positive traits through self-sacrifice, dedication, and hard work.

One of those messages is worth conveying. I'll leave you to decide which. :o

[Son of Coul]

Personaly, I don't think ANYONE should be able to lift Mjolnir besides Thor; not Hulk, and not even Superman (even though he did it in that Avengers/JLA crossover). Thor had to prove that he was worthy before he could lift Mjolnir, but other superheroes can just pick it up without a moment's notice? That would belittle Thor and his virtues way too much.
I agree, as well as take away from the mysticism of Mjolnir.

[Manowar]

Personaly, I don't think ANYONE should be able to lift Mjolnir besides Thor; not Hulk, and not even Superman (even though he did it in that Avengers/JLA crossover). Thor had to prove that he was worthy before he could lift Mjolnir, but other superheroes can just pick it up without a moment's notice? That would belittle Thor and his virtues way too much.


I must say I was proud that Captain America was able to pick it up. In a way that action validated the virtuosity of both heroes.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked it too. And Beta Ray Bill. I wasn't a fan of Eric Masterson being able to lift it before he was merged with Thor, though. You could argue that maybe he had the heart of a warrior even though he was just some normal dude, but that makes the worthiness thing a bit too abstract and murky for my tastes. Bill and Cap very clearly proved themselves to be great and noble warriors before they lifted Mjolnir. Dargo has the King Arthur-style reincarnation thing going for him since he was prophesied to be Thor's successor or whatever. But Masterson's just some random schlub, by all indications. :o

[NickNitro]

@ Raiden exactly

I deleted my post because its hard for me to argue with everyone when they clearly have a more vast comic knowledge then me.

All I want to say is you take away Thors ability to be the only one to hold Mjolnir (or even move it) I think you pretty much destroy the essence of Thors mysticism and uniqueness as a character.

I understand that some comics have others picking it up (as Corp said Cap in a comic picked it up) and I disagree with even that. I know Mjolnir only lifts for ones worthy of it but I feel it should only be Thor.

[afan]

To me it's a win, win demonstrating the power of both mjolnir and Hulk simultaneously. It's the immovable meeting the unstoppable..........again I am not advocating Hulk juggling mjolnir. After maximum effort he may lift it inches only, and it takes the entire fiber of his radiated strength to do even that. I really don't see how it minimalizes mjolnir at all if the strongest mortal being that exists in Marvel can barely lift it.

Most of the mortals that challenge the gods are exceptional.

Cap lifting it because he is judged "worthy" is not man challenging the gods, it is the gods granting him the privilege.

[TheCorpulent1]

The gods didn't grant Cap anything, they put an enchantment on Mjolnir that said anyone worthy could lift Mjolnir, likely intending to limit it only to themselves because they believed they were superior to man. But Cap defied expectations and proved himself as worthy of the gods' power as the gods themselves based solely on the kind of person he is, man, god, or otherwise. It speaks to the quality of a being's soul, regardless of whatever type of life they were born into.

[afan]

OK.....but it's not challenging the gods. He's playing by their rules.



All I want to say is you take away Thors ability to be the only one to hold Mjolnir (or even move it) I think you pretty much destroy the essence of Thors mysticism and uniqueness as a character.



And yet some want Thor to approach Hulk in strength(me included BTW), doesn't that pretty much destroy the uniqueness and essence of Hulk.

[NickNitro]

I say we all just get together and go find Mjolnir and the one to pick it up can end this arguement.............by force! :thor:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see it that way. He's not playing anything. He's a noble warrior and a good person, to the extent that he's an equal to the gods and worthy of their respect.

Anyway, by that standard, how is mindlessly raging against anything and everything any kind of conscious challenge against the gods?

[afan]

Not consciously, but still he meets their expectations; he's not challenging them.

Which Hulk do you reference when you use mindlessly?

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, fair enough. We just see the issue completely differently, I guess. Either way, I still hope the Hulk never lifts Mjolnir in the movies or the comics that matter to me. It would do nothing other than tear Thor down when Marvel really ought to be building him up in anticipation for his movie and his renewed prominence within the comics.

[afan]

If everyone had the same opinion.......yawwwwwwwn....
Just for the sake of discussion....I believe you and I agree that Thor is not the product of mjolnir.

Now that being said.....if Hulk and Thor meet, and Hulk can go toe to toe with Thor.....yet Hulk is powerless re. mjolnir........doesn't that send a mixed message.

[Webhead2006]

i still doubt the marvel studios guys will have hulk holding the hammer at all, and they will probably have thor and hulk at a fair equal strength level.

[Manowar]

To me it's a win, win demonstrating the power of both mjolnir and Hulk simultaneously. It's the immovable meeting the unstoppable..........again I am not advocating Hulk juggling mjolnir. After maximum effort he may lift it inches only, and it takes the entire fiber of his radiated strength to do even that. I really don't see how it minimalizes mjolnir at all if the strongest mortal being that exists in Marvel can barely lift it.

Most of the mortals that challenge the gods are exceptional.

Cap lifting it because he is judged "worthy" is not man challenging the gods, it is the gods granting him the privilege.


Lifting it 1 inch or ten feet = same thing. A humble ant (yes the insect)can probably lift Mjolnir if one tried (who knows). One does not factor might when it comes to lifting Mjolnir. So using it to somehow praise the Hulk's strength is an insult to Mjolnir and Thor and all Thor fans. The opposite is what is appropriate, by having Hulk try and fail no matter how mad he gets. That is the scene every fan WANTS to see and every non-fan NEEDS to see. People need to learn that Mjolnir is not just a tool, or a weapon.

Mjolnir is an ideal.:awesome:

[NickNitro]

I think in the Avengers it would be awesome if they did a scene like they did in the Hulk vs Thor movie when Hulk pumbles Thor.

Having Hulk (in that case Hulk controlled by Loki) giving all his strength to try to pick up Mjolnir, having Hulk growl and pull and pull and pull and nothing. Then Thor gets up holds out his hand an the hammer slips out of hulks massive grip and falls right into Thors hand.

I think it would be pretty epic. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

If everyone had the same opinion.......yawwwwwwwn....
Just for the sake of discussion....I believe you and I agree that Thor is not the product of mjolnir.

Now that being said.....if Hulk and Thor meet, and Hulk can go toe to toe with Thor.....yet Hulk is powerless re. mjolnir........doesn't that send a mixed message.
Not really. If you'll allow me to venture a few steps below the conceptual level that we were talking about before: The magic that enforces the worthiness enchantment is greater than Thor's personal power because Odin placed that enchantment on the hammer. Not even other gods or other mystical beings can lift Mjolnir if they're not worthy.

[Manowar]

If everyone had the same opinion.......yawwwwwwwn....
Just for the sake of discussion....I believe you and I agree that Thor is not the product of mjolnir.

Now that being said.....if Hulk and Thor meet, and Hulk can go toe to toe with Thor.....yet Hulk is powerless re. mjolnir........doesn't that send a mixed message.


As per my post above, this would be the perfect message.

[TheFuture]

Oh, another thing about mortal man challenging the gods: In the context of Thor's hammer, the Hulk lifting it through pure brute strength doesn't even work. He's a totally unique 'mortal' man who's proven virtually impossible to kill and has other powers bordering on the divine. He's not representative of mortals in general, and he sure as hell isn't worthy in any sense because he's a dumb, selfish brute. So the Hulk lifting Mjolnir sends one message: the Hulk's power exceeds that of the gods, effectively making him a god himself rather than a representative of mortals.

Captain America, on the other hand, lifts Mjolnir because he's a stalwart warrior and a pure soul. He's worthy. Moreover, he's absolutely representative of the best qualities mortals have to offer. His only "powers" are that he's the pinnacle of everything humanity can achieve physically. His lifting Mjolnir carries the message that humanity has the capacity to elevate themselves above their collective faults and follies and count themselves as equals to the gods in nobility and all other positive traits through self-sacrifice, dedication, and hard work.

One of those messages is worth conveying. I'll leave you to decide which. :o

Awesome. :up:

I love the idea of someone who is pure of heart being able to lift Mjolnir. I really dig the notion of how having honourable morals and a good heart can suggest that you can achieve the impossible (i.e. lifting Mjolnir).

[afan]

Awesome. :up:

I love the idea of someone who is pure of heart being able to lift Mjolnir. I really dig the notion of how having honourable morals and a good heart can suggest that you can achieve the impossible (i.e. lifting Mjolnir).

Facetious remark ahead....proceed with caution.....

So any one under.... oh let us say.... 2 years old.... can weild mjolnir:cwink:

[TheFuture]

Facetious remark ahead....proceed with caution.....

So any one under.... oh let us say.... 2 years old.... can weild mjolnir:cwink:

LOL...I know you are taking the mickey...but what the hey...I was referring to people who make a conscious effort to be good. :cwink:

[NickNitro]

:woot:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/dontblinkx182x/BobyThor.jpg

[TheFuture]

:cmad: :csad: :oldrazz:

[afan]

:woot:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/dontblinkx182x/BobyThor.jpg

Ragnarok.....a bye baby........:cwink:

[NickNitro]

lol i had to guys it was a perfect setup. took 2 seconds in photoshop. god what you can do with google and photoshop and 2 free seconds at work :D

[TheCorpulent1]

I totally want to buy a little plush Mjolnir for my niece now. :D

[Vartha]

they had the inflatable one few few years ago remember?
I bet like the Hulk and Thing hands Thor will have a foam Mjolnir toy

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope so. :up:

[NickNitro]

I can see it now. Little toddlers crawling around the playpens at daycares and houses alike screaming "For Food!"

[afan]

they had the inflatable one few few years ago remember?
I bet like the Hulk and Thing hands Thor will have a foam Mjolnir toy

Thunderous sound FX on impact would be sweet!

[Vartha]

I hope so. :up:
I'm a security guard....I'd preffer a Mjolnir Tazer. :D

[Droogoonie789]

I'm a security guard....I'd preffer a Mjolnir Tazer. :D

While watching Supernanny? :hehe:

Just got back from seeing IM2 for the first time, and I'm still geeking out. And to top the night off, I saw FREAKIN MJOLNIR ON THE BIG SCREEN!!! GAH!!!

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

[Spider-Vader]

I really hope they'll be a scene in Avengers, where they're at the base & Tony & Hulk try to Mjolnir. Tony asks Cap to & he passes. Then in the final battle, Thor gets knocked out & Steve tries to pick up the hammer & to his surprise he does. :D

[Avengers-Report]

I can't wait to see those scenes as well. The Mjolnir is just so epicccc.

[Vartha]

While watching Supernanny? :hehe:

Just got back from seeing IM2 for the first time, and I'm still geeking out. And to top the night off, I saw FREAKIN MJOLNIR ON THE BIG SCREEN!!! GAH!!!

:awesome::awesome::awesome:
heh I have a stun gun but you need to touch the person with it.
There's a 72 year old lady Guard that "adopted" me and gave me the Stun gun lol I swear it's the truth.

[Aeltri]

I'm a security guard....I'd preffer a Mjolnir Tazer. :D

Sounds like an easy conversion job to me :cwink:. Nothing heavy duty silver paint, faux-leather and decals can't fix...

[Duker Jay]

I really hope they'll be a scene in Avengers, where they're at the base & Tony & Hulk try to Mjolnir. Tony asks Cap to & he passes. Then in the final battle, Thor gets knocked out & Steve tries to pick up the hammer & to his surprise he does. :D

I'd prefer if they just kept Mjolnir unique to Thor...IMO, there's no need for anyone else to try to pick it up, or be able to pick it up...leave it special for Thor. Just like Cap should be the only one really able to "wield the shield."

They've each got their own niches, let them have them.

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree. In the comics, 20-odd years after Thor was introduced, it made for some fresh and interesting new stories to see Beta Ray Bill and Captain America and others lift the hammer. Now, over the course of a few years and only a couple of movies, it's just an unnecessary distraction. Leave the heroes' unique powers and possessions unique.

[Webhead2006]

i agree.

[Wolfman]

Ahhh... it was sweet to see The Mjölnir. I can't wait for Thor to come out. And the agent definetly said "we've found 'em." :D

[Duker Jay]

After watching the after-credits scene again, I'm not totally convinced it's SHIELD agents and cars that are surrounding the crater. It looks like a lot of pick-ups and random people as opposed to government agents.
I picture it being more like what happened in the recent comics where there are a bunch of locals trying to pick up the hammer and people sort of milling around.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8523/craterw.jpg

It seems more likely that Coulson is the first agent on the scene as you'd think someone before him would have already reported it.

[Spider-Vader]

I guess that makes sense.

[Aesop Rocks]

Thor and the hammer are separated on Earth, the hammer falls there and Natalie Portman runs Thor over in a jeep.

[TheFuture]

It looks kind of like an excavation point, it looked like it was cornered off to me. That suggests to me that support characters like Stellan's and Portman's find Thor first before Shield.

[Aesop Rocks]

Er, they do.

[TheFuture]

Well good so. :p

[meowth49]

I agree. In the comics, 20-odd years after Thor was introduced, it made for some fresh and interesting new stories to see Beta Ray Bill and Captain America and others lift the hammer. Now, over the course of a few years and only a couple of movies, it's just an unnecessary distraction. Leave the heroes' unique powers and possessions unique.

hehe didnt you and i have this discussion just last week? this thread is going around in circles!!!


You guys were talking about the Mjolnir toys that'll come out, i cant wait for the days leading up to the films release when i walk into my local kmart and pick up the foam toy mjolnirs, shaking it to hear thunder noises and "for asgard!" speaking noises

[Webhead2006]

yea my guess is either thor and hammer fall together. thor not knowing who he is crawls out of the hole, and runs into stellan/portman's characters. then others come and find the hammer and lead to shield going there. Or thor and the hammer fall in slightly different places.

[TheCorpulent1]

After watching the after-credits scene again, I'm not totally convinced it's SHIELD agents and cars that are surrounding the crater. It looks like a lot of pick-ups and random people as opposed to government agents.
I picture it being more like what happened in the recent comics where there are a bunch of locals trying to pick up the hammer and people sort of milling around.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8523/craterw.jpg

It seems more likely that Coulson is the first agent on the scene as you'd think someone before him would have already reported it.
That's what I figured, based on that red pickup truck and the fact that there are a lot of people milling about near the hammer. You'd think if it were officially cordoned off, there'd be a lot fewer people who could get so close to it.

My guess is that SHIELD only recently heard about something falling from the sky in New Mexico and sent Coulson to investigate. Now that he's confirmed it is indeed something important to SHIELD, he'll probably institute the cordoning off of the hammer and SHIELD's investigation into just what the heck it is beyond some immovable weapon that SHIELD would want to 1) keep out of civilians' hands and 2) put to use for themselves if they could.
hehe didnt you and i have this discussion just last week? this thread is going around in circles!!!
That tends to happen when Marvel refuses to give us more Thor goodness for weeks on end. :argh:

[Webhead2006]

probably how it will be.

[Spider-Vader]

I demand Loki picz NAOZ!!!

[Ipodman]

I demand Loki picz NAOZ!!!

I rather see it in the trailer... :yay:

much more epic

[Dstorm]

AFTER CREDIT SCENE IN THE MOVIE "THOR" ............ I believe that the energy cub in the "Brief Case" was VIBRAINIUM. It makes sense!! vibrainium is from africa Wakanda and captain americas shield was made out of it so there fore BLACK PANTHER IS AN AVENGER ALSO I THINK THAT THE KING OF WAKANDA MIGHT BE TOUCHED ON IN ONE OF THE UPCOMING FILMS YAYyayYaaaa. back in Captain Americas time of course Black Panther was T'Chaka, T'Chalah's dad, YEAH YEAH YEAH GOT MY MIND THINKING HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT THAT WAY

[WillardNation]

It was the cosmic cube.

[Duker Jay]

I totally want to buy a little plush Mjolnir for my niece now. :D

Have you seen the Nerf Mjolnir? It's pretty sweet. A little small in scale but proportion-wise, maybe the best Mjolnir toy there is.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1JOvMB7MAR0/TVj3YBZmDAI/AAAAAAAACoY/es3O30qhlOo/s1600/TIA%2BToy%2BFair%2B2011%2BNYC%2B-%2B012.jpg

[vindrow]

AFTER CREDIT SCENE IN THE MOVIE "THOR" ............ I believe that the energy cub in the "Brief Case" was VIBRAINIUM. It makes sense!! vibrainium is from africa Wakanda and captain americas shield was made out of it so there fore BLACK PANTHER IS AN AVENGER ALSO I THINK THAT THE KING OF WAKANDA MIGHT BE TOUCHED ON IN ONE OF THE UPCOMING FILMS YAYyayYaaaa. back in Captain Americas time of course Black Panther was T'Chaka, T'Chalah's dad, YEAH YEAH YEAH GOT MY MIND THINKING HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT THAT WAY


Actually, that was the Cosmic Cube.

[Vartha]

AFTER CREDIT SCENE IN THE MOVIE "THOR" ............ I believe that the energy cub in the "Brief Case" was VIBRAINIUM. It makes sense!! vibrainium is from africa Wakanda and captain americas shield was made out of it so there fore BLACK PANTHER IS AN AVENGER ALSO I THINK THAT THE KING OF WAKANDA MIGHT BE TOUCHED ON IN ONE OF THE UPCOMING FILMS YAYyayYaaaa. back in Captain Americas time of course Black Panther was T'Chaka, T'Chalah's dad, YEAH YEAH YEAH GOT MY MIND THINKING HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT THAT WAY
It IS the cosmic cube found earlier in the 1940's by the Red Skull in one of Odin's Vault/Tombs. This tomb was on Earth tho being guarded by an Asgardian.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z321/Vartha2/Captain%20America%20first%20avenger/WeavingCubeMK1.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Have you seen the Nerf Mjolnir? It's pretty sweet. A little small in scale but proportion-wise, maybe the best Mjolnir toy there is.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1JOvMB7MAR0/TVj3YBZmDAI/AAAAAAAACoY/es3O30qhlOo/s1600/TIA%2BToy%2BFair%2B2011%2BNYC%2B-%2B012.jpg
I hadn't. That's pretty awesome. :hehe:

[Vartha]

MAN Corpy, You need to check out the toy threads! lol
There's a poster over at the Statue forum that wanted to get those nerf Mjolnir's in his office to release stress. lol

[Darkness Falls]

that Nerf Mjolnir Is pretty sweet, i want one lol :D

[Vartha]

Right now I have the Nerf, the Larger Lightning power, and the Burger King movie Mjolnir's not counting the Action figure's Mjolnir's. lol
I think someone should make a Taser that looks like Mjolnir. I'd buy it in an instant being a Security Guard. :D

[Rock Sexton]

It IS the cosmic cube found earlier in the 1940's by the Red Skull in one of Odin's Vault/Tombs. This tomb was on Earth tho being guarded by an Asgardian.


Wait, will it still be guarded by an Asgardian in CA?

[R_Hythlodeus]

Wait, will it still be guarded by an Asgardian in CA?
have you ever asked yourself: "where is balder?" while watching thor?

[WillardNation]

have you ever asked yourself: "where is balder?" while watching thor?
:wow:

[R_Hythlodeus]

I suppose I should make clear that this was pure speculation from my side. nevertheless it would be awesome.

[WillardNation]

Indeed.

[Vartha]

Wait, will it still be guarded by an Asgardian in CA?
As far as I know. There was some art of the scene and a mention there was an Asgardian they encounter, that's all I know.

[Vartha]

have you ever asked yourself: "where is balder?" while watching thor?
Yeah that could be a possibility, the other is like I've said Balder and Blake are one in the same.....both were missing. ;)

[Vartha]

I suppose I should make clear that this was pure speculation from my side. nevertheless it would be awesome.
lol yeah guys we really don't know details, I just saw art, and what appears in art doesn't mean appears in the movie all the time.

[Rock Sexton]

As far as I know. There was some art of the scene and a mention there was an Asgardian they encounter, that's all I know.

Hmmm .... t'wer it the case, how could anyone someone from down on Earth (especially in the 40's) defeat an Asgardian in order to take the cube?

[Vartha]

it IS HYDRA with Red Skull. :D

[irapogi]

i wonder why loki looked burnt/ugly

[Rock Sexton]

it IS HYDRA with Red Skull. :D

Ya, but I still fail to see how pre-cube powered Hydra soldiers and the Red Skull could defeat an Asgardian.

[Vartha]

Ya, but I still fail to see how pre-cube powered Hydra soldiers and the Red Skull could defeat an Asgardian.
I guess we'll have to wait until July to see what Happened back then. ;)

[Vartha]

i wonder why loki looked burnt/ugly
....he did just fall through a void, tho I would think that could just be him hiding like a shadow.

[BigThor]

Ya, but I still fail to see how pre-cube powered Hydra soldiers and the Red Skull could defeat an Asgardian.

Me too, I'd rather they explain as the Asgardian being tricked into giving them the cube instead of being defeated.

[Vartha]

Yeah, I should try to see if anyone has a Script hahaha, I'm curious about that particular scene. :D

[The Caped Knight]

It IS the cosmic cube found earlier in the 1940's by the Red Skull in one of Odin's Vault/Tombs. This tomb was on Earth tho being guarded by an Asgardian.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z321/Vartha2/Captain%20America%20first%20avenger/WeavingCubeMK1.jpg

I'm curious to see how Hydra and The Red Skull obtained the cube in the first place .

[marcvader]

We know it's in some kind of tomb like place but how did it get there and how does Schmidt know this?

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, I should try to see if anyone has a Script hahaha, I'm curious about that particular scene. :D

Seriously.

You've got my curiosity buzzing about it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would think maybe Loki helped HYDRA out. Even before he turned fully into an evil arch-villain type in Thor, we know he liked to indulge in acts of questionable morality. He described letting frost giants through Asgard's defenses as merely "a bit of mischief" to delay Thor's coronation. Maybe Loki manipulated the cosmic cube into HYDRA's hands just to see what would happen.

[Rac]

And, intriguingly, Skarsgard told us that the segment wasn't directed by Thor's Kenneth Branagh, but by The Avengers' Joss Whedon. Hmm... Click here to hear Skarsgard's thoughts on it all, including what The Avengers might hold for him.http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31051

[BigThor]

I would think maybe Loki helped HYDRA out. Even before he turned fully into an evil arch-villain type in Thor, we know he liked to indulge in acts of questionable morality. He described letting frost giants through Asgard's defenses as merely "a bit of mischief" to delay Thor's coronation. Maybe Loki manipulated the cosmic cube into HYDRA's hands just to see what would happen.

Sounds plausible and true to Lokie's character, I don't know why I didn't think of that.