Official First Class News & Speculation Thread

[Rac]

http://chud.com/articles/articles/24275/1/HAS-PETER-PARKER-BEEN-HIRED/Page1.html


God, I hope not.

Me neither. I don't want him as Spider-Man either.

[JP]

Hutcherson just has the most awful face for anything. :(

[TNC9852002]

I disagree, but...whatever

[JP]

Well, if he's the new Spidey like the rumors suggest, he can go stink up that film instead of this one. :)

[BMM]

I was hoping Johnson would play Cyclops.

[TNC9852002]

No one knows for sure either way

[danoyse]

Well, if he's the new Spidey like the rumors suggest, he can go stink up that film instead of this one. :)

Apparently, Andrew Garfield is playing Spiderman:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=67468

Who the hell is Andrew Garfield? :huh:

[JP]

I think Garfield was also up for Cyclops.

D:

[akfj]

So, that leaves Hutcherson open for Cyclops.

[Electrix]

I thought only Jean was open for Cyclops? Oh wait...:D

[akfj]

I thought only Jean was open for Cyclops? Oh wait...:D

:facepalm:

[Squidboy]

You forgot Emma, Jean's clone, and Psylocke for a second

[BMM]

No one knows for sure either way

Now that Spider-Man is no longer an option, perhaps Johnson will play Cyclops. He's worked with Vaughn before and, this way, he can be assured another project, specifically one that doesn't interfere with a Kick-Ass sequel.

[TNC9852002]

I thought only Jean was open for Cyclops? Oh wait...:D
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1271/facepalma.jpg

[psyonic]

Multiple Man in First Class ??

http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=19667

[TNC9852002]

Multiple Man in First Class ??

http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=19667
Hey, I think I called this one..

I can't remember when I did. :p

[Electrix]

Apparently Benjamin Walker has been dropped and then rehired as Beast. Not sure how true this is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1291371/Such-Beastly-goings-ex-X-Man.html

[Iceman]

So, that leaves Hutcherson open for Cyclops.Don't joke!

[DocHoliday]

weird... If there is any validity to it we'll know soon.

[JP]

The Multiple Man story is complete BS, btw. :]

[TheVelvetOnion]

The Multiple Man story is complete BS, btw. :]

Actually there is some truth to it, it isnt complete BS...

There is casting for Multiple Man but its not for X-Men First Class... I heard news not so long ago that Fox Television are piloting a few new tv shows in the next few month. One of them is rumoured to be X-Factor Investigations.

this has come with the recent cull of Fox programes to make way for new ones... recently Heroes left a gap in the market.

Further to the rumours Comic Book Heroes... a british magazine (although most of its news is out of date) did mention that Marvel Studios is meeting with Fox Television to bring one of the comics properties to a live tv show. But dont trust that as a source as it seems to be written by people who have out of date news and speculate alot.

I also heard rumours that Ali Larter is in talks to play Siryn.

The way i look at this is that there are alot of rumours circling around X-Factor Investigations becoming a tv show. So there may be an element of truth. But because characters from that are closely linked to X-Men then the news may get mixed up

[Rac]

Apparently Benjamin Walker has been dropped and then rehired as Beast. Not sure how true this is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1291371/Such-Beastly-goings-ex-X-Man.html

What the hell...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I found this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Strongdageneral
I'm 90% sure his "artist" is a young black female. That leads me to believe that Storm is in the film.

Yes, we haven't heard much about Storm in terms of rumored casting, but we haven't heard anything about Jean either. Or anything about the villain.

That is interesting. Hmmm.

[Superhero 101]

Is it true that Caleb Landry Jones is playing Banshee?? I have never heard of this actor

[Slim_X]

So is Walker in or out?? :huh::doh:

[akfj]

Is it true that Caleb Landry Jones is playing Banshee?? I have never heard of this actor

Reports say that he is who Fox is pursuing, but nothing is confirmed yet.

So is Walker in or out?? :huh::doh:

He's out for now, but they've re-offered him the part, so he may be back in.

[TheVelvetOnion]

I just thought of an idea, when they re-released star wars, after revenge of the Sith... at the end of Return Of The Jedi we saw the Ghost of Anikin Skywalker (Played by David Prowse) replaced with Hayden Christensen version of Anikin... alot of fans didnt initially like this but from a movie point of view it tied together the old trilogy with the new prequel trilogy... which in a way i thought was a nice tribute.

Now i was thinking, it looks like X-Men First Class will lead on from X-Men Origins Wolverine. Although you will get more back story i figure the story will take place at least a year or two after Xavier rescued the mutants at the end of the wolverine movie.

So heres my thinking, we havent had a new addition or re-release version of the Wolverine movie yet... all x1 to x3 had multiple versions released so maybe what they could do is have James McAvoy film the scene where xavier greets the students from 3 mile island and release on a new version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine... Uncut version...

Or would alot of Patrick Stewart Fans be too upset by this, i mean alot of people were upset they redid anikin skywalker...

But they way it looks the movie follows from wolverine movie to first class movie... especially when you look at the casting of Emma Frost, Cyclops situation...

[TheVelvetOnion]

Ok recent rumours that are going around about Multipleman being in First Class seem to be everywhere. Me personally thinks this news is partly true.

It's no secrete that Fox wants to produce X-Factor Investigations into a tv series, it may have been an off the cuff remark, just an idea or something they really want to pursue. I've heard rumours that X-Factor Investigations is definatly on the table right now and being considered for a pilot due to Fox wanting to new programes and alot of there shows has now been cancelled.

There is essentially a Gap in the market. Now if you look at programes that had finished recently like Lost, Heroes...etc they always seemed to be filmed around now, then released in september. So ideally X-Factor Investigations could be casting now for a pilot.

Which is why i believe this news of Multiple Man casting could be true but its not for the First Class movie but the X-Factor Investigations movie.

I just wanted to let you know where i stood with this whole rumour about Multipleman before i discuss this next part.

So, what if Multipleman was in X-Men First Class would this be a bad idea or a good idea.

Well i thought about this for a while and on one hand this would fit in really well. You see age wise, Eric Dane and James Marsden are around the same age, infact i think Eric Dane is older. When Multiple Man appeared in X3 you got the idea he was aged in his 30's he could of essentially been in the same age bracket as Storm, Cyclops or Jean.. So having him in the prequel could make sense. It goes further... See Multiple Man doesnt actually fight, or interact with any of the x-men... meaning he could essentially of been at Xaviers school during First Class, he is in the same age bracket at Cyclops, Then there is also character dynamics...
Cyclops was the emotional weakling that becomes the leader, Jean was the love interest, Beast was the science guy, then we had Iceman who was a jokey/Coky kid which if they used him in first class he would have to be 5 years old... that isnt going to happen. So why not Madrox, his powers are different to the rest of them, there unique. Plus with Moria in the story, both Madrox and Banshee fit perfectly into there story so you could essentially see it coming together.

So who wants Madrox in First Class?

[X-Maniac]

Ok recent rumours that are going around about Multipleman being in First Class seem to be everywhere. Me personally thinks this news is partly true.

It's no secrete that Fox wants to produce X-Factor Investigations into a tv series, it may have been an off the cuff remark, just an idea or something they really want to pursue. I've heard rumours that X-Factor Investigations is definatly on the table right now and being considered for a pilot due to Fox wanting to new programes and alot of there shows has now been cancelled.

There is essentially a Gap in the market. Now if you look at programes that had finished recently like Lost, Heroes...etc they always seemed to be filmed around now, then released in september. So ideally X-Factor Investigations could be casting now for a pilot.

Which is why i believe this news of Multiple Man casting could be true but its not for the First Class movie but the X-Factor Investigations movie.

I just wanted to let you know where i stood with this whole rumour about Multipleman before i discuss this next part.

So, what if Multipleman was in X-Men First Class would this be a bad idea or a good idea.

Well i thought about this for a while and on one hand this would fit in really well. You see age wise, Eric Dane and James Marsden are around the same age, infact i think Eric Dane is older. When Multiple Man appeared in X3 you got the idea he was aged in his 30's he could of essentially been in the same age bracket as Storm, Cyclops or Jean.. So having him in the prequel could make sense. It goes further... See Multiple Man doesnt actually fight, or interact with any of the x-men... meaning he could essentially of been at Xaviers school during First Class, he is in the same age bracket at Cyclops, Then there is also character dynamics...
Cyclops was the emotional weakling that becomes the leader, Jean was the love interest, Beast was the science guy, then we had Iceman who was a jokey/Coky kid which if they used him in first class he would have to be 5 years old... that isnt going to happen. So why not Madrox, his powers are different to the rest of them, there unique. Plus with Moria in the story, both Madrox and Banshee fit perfectly into there story so you could essentially see it coming together.

So who wants Madrox in First Class?

If it serves the story, I don't mind him being there. But we did already see him and his powers in X3 (and he doesn't have much more to his powers than we saw), so it doesn't feel like very exciting news to have him in First Class.

[Judge Holden]

Madrox isn't popular because of his powers... he's popular because of his personality. Which wasn't shown in X3.

[TheVelvetOnion]

I think fans need to read Jamie Madrox in the X-Factor Investigation comics... up until these ive always figured Jamie to be a little flat... characterless. But when they did that one shot MADROX comic then followed with X-Factor Investigations we saw a good side to Madrox... he is grumpy, misrable, slightly funny

[Lightning Strykez!]

As long as it's not forced, I think it might be alright. But I honestly don't think we should hold our breath for this. The film seems like its gonna be all about Charles and Erik...not much room to develop a storyline like this.

[X-Maniac]

Madrox isn't popular because of his powers... he's popular because of his personality. Which wasn't shown in X3.

Well, we DID see his personality in X3. He had a cocky swagger, checking out Mystique's butt and later saying 'You got me' as the soldiers closed in on Magneto's camp. Even those brief scenes showed us his personality.

I'd only like to see main characters added who bring something different/fresh to the dynamic in terms of personality and powers. Since several of the characters are familiar to us already (Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, Beast etc), it would be good also to see some who haven't yet had big-screen exposure.

[dark_b]

why would you replace Stewart from WOlverine origins when noone cares about the WOlverine movie ?

:)

[Squidboy]

Plus, this seems like it was Stewart's send-off as Xavier - unless we get bookend scenes with the present characters, though I doubt that highly. I say leave things as they are and let the chips fall where they may. We can't very well go back and re-dub all references to Stryker 'giving Wolverine claws', even despite the fact that it's now known that he was born with the bone claws in him. In a sense, he gave Wolverine his traditional claws, but that's definitely not what Singer had in mind (seeing as he probably never imagined a prequel series would follow his vision of the X-Men movies), so WHOOPS, just move on and accept the slight discrepancies.

[Squidboy]

I dread saying this, but all these new casting rumors are reminding me of X3 and Wolverine.. I hope my bite my tongue so badly it bleeds once the movie comes out and they're all just needless cameos, I do. But Madrox (as much as I love him, being one of my top three all-time favorite X-characters) had his small moment to shine in the third movie, let it rest as it is. Focus on maybe planting seeds with characters like a young Senator Kelly - do not focus on trying to show Madrox as a rowdy student who dreams of one day robbing seven banks at once.

[Judge Holden]

lol Why do you seem to create new threads on a daily basis?

[FaT_tONle]

You get wrapped up in the most irrelevant details ever Velvet... more so than me. It's all good though. Keeps the forum active I guess. The franchise needs that.

[danoyse]

So heres my thinking, we havent had a new addition or re-release version of the Wolverine movie yet... all x1 to x3 had multiple versions released so maybe what they could do is have James McAvoy film the scene where xavier greets the students from 3 mile island and release on a new version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine... Uncut version...

Since when were there multiple versions of X1-X3?

[TNC9852002]

Well, looky here.. :p

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2539/magnetosmm.gif

[Squidboy]

Since when were there multiple versions of X1-X3?

The only difference was a few more deleted scenes - it's nothing too different, really. Not like the difference between Daredevil and Daredevil Director's Cut, where the quality of the movie is raised much higher thanks to the (unfortunately) cut material.

[TNC9852002]

Willow to Appear in X-Men: First Class?
by SuperHeroHype
Jul 5th, 2010
Surfer Erica Hosseini talks about her audition

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2968/ericawillow.jpg http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/6455/10825889364willowthumb.jpg
Straight 2 DVD's Maarten Bouw got a chance to interview surfer Erica Hosseini, who recently revealed she was auditioning for a role in Matthew Vaughn's X-Men: First Class.

"I was auditioning for a role named Willow (hopefully I don't get in trouble for blabbing details on the off-chance that I get it). It's a role similar to Mystique from what I understand. Potentially lots of body paint, so that would be really fun," she said.

Willow is a fictional mutant character created by Marvel Comics for their Marvel 2099 run "X-Nation 2099." She had shapeshifting powers, much like Mystique, but when mimicking others her facial markings would remain.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/103402-willow-to-appear-in-x-men-first-class


Hmmm...Not sure what to make of this.

[Electrix]

Maybe she was actually auditioning for Mystique but they used 'Willow' as a cover.

[gap5ewl]

Maybe she was actually auditioning for Mystique but they used 'Willow' as a cover.

Yeah, that's what I immediately thought to. She said the role required a lot of body paint and we know from audition tapes that they are using cover names for main characters. I'm pretty sure she tried out for Mystique.

[TNC9852002]

That was my initial reaction too...not a very clever cover either.. :p

[JP]

Yeah, they're not going to just add another naked shapeshifting mutant covered in body paint that isn't Mystique.

But, I could be wrong.

[danoyse]

First thing I thought when I read that was that it was a cover for Mystique.

[Casius--J]

Yeah it didn't make sense to me either that they would use a completely different shapeshifter that requires all that paint. I immediately thought they were using "Willow" as a cover name

[X-Maniac]

First thing I thought when I read that was that it was a cover for Mystique.

Sounds like it. Unless Mystique has a family of metamorphs.

I guess we'll soon hear about actors testing for an African weather manipulator called Tempest, an optic blaster called One Eye and a psychic called Joan Bray. :hehe:

[X-Maniac]

Double posting mutation struck...

[chaseter]

She sort of looks like Rebecca so I could see her as a younger Mystique but then again I could also see them just throwing in an unnecessary addition.

She doesn't look like a great actress but I bet all she is doing is a couple of scenes and more than likely Erik finding her or them being united at the end.

[chaseter]

What the hell...

Well here is your trouble:
Tom Rothman, the co-chairman and chief executive officer of Fox Filmed Entertainment, was adamant that Walker's role as The Beast be re-cast.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1291371/Such-Beastly-goings-ex-X-Man.html#ixzz0sul1Iyh6

[marvelrobbins]

I think we should maybe Ignore casting rumors till they become more official.

We have beast debacle.Reports said amber Heard as Mystique but obvuous other actresses are still testing for Mystique.First Rosamund Pike up for Emma
Frost and now Moira mactaggert(although nothing has been heard about her
for awhile)

While Latino Review should usually be taken seriously with regard to Banshee
being cast they got the Spider-Man casting wrong.

As of right now we can only be sure of james Mcavoy,Michael Fassbender,and
Alice Eve.

[JP]

^Basically

[marvelrobbins]

I realy don't like the talk of a Twillight actor as beast.I despease twillight so much I don't even care to learn the name of actors.And Fox Is crazy If they think the teenage girls who flock to Twillight will do It with X-Men.I just Singer,and Vaughn are not under pressure to turn First Class Into more Twillight friendly product or they can lose some of
the audence who would turn out.

[gap5ewl]

Well here is your trouble:

ROTHMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN:cmad:

[Squidboy]

Sounds like it. Unless Mystique has a family of metamorphs.

I guess we'll soon hear about actors testing for an African weather manipulator called Tempest, an optic blaster called One Eye and a psychic called Joan Bray. :hehe:

Joan Bray (aka the Garuda, her firebird/alien-god alter-ego) is a good character. Soon we'll be hearing rumors about people auditioning as Frog or Amphibian as well.

[Lightning Strykez!]

We all knew it would only be a matter of time before Rothman would start f***ing things up again. LOL

But seriously? Can we focus on casting the MAIN characters like Scott, Jean, Storm, etc. I don't want to hear about this Willow s*** right now. LOL :p Give us the main players already!!

[DigitalKill]

is it true taylor lautner is rumored for a role? ugh! :csad:

[marvelrobbins]

Apparently Tom Rothman had Matthew Walker removed as beast In attempt
to get Taylor Lautner as Beast.Ltner wasn't available so they reoffered
the part to Walker but he already made commetments on broadway after
losing the part because of Rothman.So Rothman cost Matthew Vaughn his
choice of beast to try to get a Twillight actor In the film,and he wasn't
even available.So beause of this melding Beast Is now uncast.

[DigitalKill]

damn. well i really hope someone else gets brought up for the part. i dont wanna see lautner in this film. the rest of the casting confirms and rumors are great though!

[TNC9852002]

Apparently Tom Rothman had Matthew Walker removed as beast In attempt
to get Taylor Lautner as Beast.Ltner wasn't available so they reoffered
the part to Walker but he already made commetments on broadway after
losing the part because of Rothman.So Rothman cost Matthew Vaughn his
choice of beast to try to get a Twillight actor In the film,and he wasn't
even available.So beause of this melding Beast Is now uncast.
Is this confirmed? I thought this was someone meddling around and speculating...

[JP]

It's nothing but speculation.

Also the part about "Fox is worried because there last three films underperformed" I think is bs.

Avatar showed Fox that if the movie is good, people will see it. This weekend they're releasing Predators. Not only does it currently have 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, but the tracking seems to be good, and the film will likely secure the #1 spot this weekend. Proving again that if the film is good, people will see it. They're not going to worry about a proven franchise needing a Twilight star. If the film sucks it'll make money. If the film gets great reviews it'll make even more money. That's how I see it, at least.

[chaseter]

Apparently Tom Rothman had Matthew Walker removed as beast In attempt
to get Taylor Lautner as Beast.Ltner wasn't available so they reoffered
the part to Walker but he already made commetments on broadway after
losing the part because of Rothman.So Rothman cost Matthew Vaughn his
choice of beast to try to get a Twillight actor In the film,and he wasn't
even available.So beause of this melding Beast Is now uncast.

If this is true, which with Fox's/Rothman's track record it probably is, then I am back on the pessimistic train.

[Casius--J]

I'm not sure I believe this news, it doesnt make sense to offer somebody a part then take it off them without securing another actor first. Not good practice at all, but then again it is Fox so its not out of the question.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

[JP]

Avalanche in First Class?

Found some interesting things. First, this facebook status from Antwan Marshal (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1677939473)
the lord is good...my agent called me and i got a role in xmen first class...im on it thank u lord

Followed by:
just got back from the photo shot for x men first class..so i just got word im avalanche.....took sum pics today and they said there gonna edit sum..man lord is good


No idea. .

[JP]

Also, I just realized that the Ben Walker being fired story originated from The Daily Mail. Um.. it's THE DAILY MAIL. :/

The same site that posted a picture of McAvoy from Wanted and said "FIRST PHOTO OF MCAVOY IN X-MEN FIRST CLASS". The same site that's the equivalent to the worst of the worst US tabloids. . .

[chamber-music]

The Daily Mail is the British Fox news of Newspapers.

[psyonic]

Avalanche in First Class?

Found some interesting things. First, this facebook status from Antwan Marshal (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1677939473)


Followed by:



No idea. .

LOL!! uhmm okay .. if you go to his wall he has his "X-men first class/Avalanche Photos..." album .. I don't understand ? .. The guy seems like a tool and does not know what he's talking about ..

[JP]

I'm thinking maybe his agent got him an AUDITION. . .?

Anyway, actor/model/hottie Andra Fuller also has an audition.
Got an audition tomorrow at Fox Studios for the new X-Men Movie!!! ....Let us pray!!!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs557.ash1/32448_132027403476945_129593577053661_333758_18316 18_n.jpg

[BMM]

LOL!! uhmm okay .. if you go to his wall he has his "X-men first class/Avalanche Photos..." album .. I don't understand ? .. The guy seems like a tool and does not know what he's talking about ..

Seriously.

[squeekness]

I'm thinking maybe his agent got him an AUDITION. . .?

Anyway, actor/model/hottie Andra Fuller also has an audition.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs557.ash1/32448_132027403476945_129593577053661_333758_18316 18_n.jpgWho would he be playing? Someone new? There weren't any male african americans in the original group of kids. Just askin'.....

[Spider-Fan83]

^ maybe part of storms origins...?

[DarthDaveBanner]

Apparently Tom Rothman had Matthew Walker removed as beast In attempt
to get Taylor Lautner as Beast.Ltner wasn't available so they reoffered
the part to Walker but he already made commetments on broadway after
losing the part because of Rothman.So Rothman cost Matthew Vaughn his
choice of beast to try to get a Twillight actor In the film,and he wasn't
even available.So beause of this melding Beast Is now uncast.

I thought Rothman was involved with Fox movies any more?

[louiebling$]

I thought Rothman was involved with Fox movies any more?
yea so did i.... i thought he was supposed to move on to TV and Fox Searchlight?

[Squidboy]

I'm not sure I believe this news, it doesnt make sense to offer somebody a part then take it off them without securing another actor first. Not good practice at all, but then again it is Fox so its not out of the question.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

It kinda reminds me of the Tim Burton Joker situation where Jack was offered the role and declined, so they offered Robin Williams the role, only for Jack to realize he wanted the role back. It's just a backwards version of the situation where the person who actually seemed interested in the role was the first choice, only to get screwed by movie politics.

[chamber-music]

Who would he be playing? Someone new? There weren't any male african americans in the original group of kids. Just askin'.....

They are not following the comic characters timeline. They are using the movie one so they could just shove in any black X-character who hasn't showed up yet like Prodigy, Synch, Sunspot, Bedlam ect.

[batboy99]

Apparently Tom Rothman had Matthew Walker removed as beast In attempt
to get Taylor Lautner as Beast.Ltner wasn't available so they reoffered
the part to Walker but he already made commetments on broadway after
losing the part because of Rothman.So Rothman cost Matthew Vaughn his
choice of beast to try to get a Twillight actor In the film,and he wasn't
even available.So beause of this melding Beast Is now uncast.
I dont know about this. I think the poor guy has had about enough of being a big beefy guy. He's already said he wants to cut down on the bulkiness after Twilight.

And if you know me, you know I asolutely LOATHE the twilight series, but Lautner is a fairly decent actor.

[X-Maniac]

Who would he be playing? Someone new? There weren't any male african americans in the original group of kids. Just askin'.....

But we won't be seeing the 'original group of kids'. No Iceman or Angel, if it really is a prequel.

And there will almost certainly be some racial diversity. Lauren Shuler Donner made that obvious when she spoke about her dream of producing Wonder Woman - she was open to multi-ethnic casting and thinks all movies should reflect the world.

We are thinking we will see Storm in there, though no casting for that has been announced yet.

We may also see other black characters, such as Bishop perhaps.

We are hoping for more casting news soon. Some may come after filming has started, as studios tend to 'drip feed' the announcements these days and I've noticed actors being announced for films well into production.

[X-Maniac]

I dont know about this. I think the poor guy has had about enough of being a big beefy guy. He's already said he wants to cut down on the bulkiness after Twilight.

And if you know me, you know I asolutely LOATHE the twilight series, but Lautner is a fairly decent actor.

Lautner is too wrapped up with Breaking Dawn 1 and 2, and the gazillion other movies to which he is attached. I'm not sure it would work to get him into First Class, it seems like a cheap ploy to get Twihards interested.

[batboy99]

Yeah, I totally agree with that. But if it were true I could live with it, but I KNOW its just to get little crazy girls into the theatre.

[JP]

You know.. just because someone has an audition doesn't mean its for a huge major character in a huge major role. Jeez.

[Antrax255]

Have decided if X-men first class is a reboot or prequel? Maybe the dude is Bishop.

[JP]

In the "NO DUH" news of the day...

A rep for Lautner tells Gossip Cop the X-Men reports are “not true.”

So while the actor is weighing a number of major roles, for now don’t expect mutant life to be among them.
http://www.gossipcop.com/taylor-lautner-x-men-first-class-role/

[SuperT]

Please tell me once again why anyone actually thought Lautner had any sort of attachment or was in talks to be in this movie again?!

[JP]

Because people are gullible and want to believe anything that points to signs of failure.

[TNC9852002]

Because people are gullible and want to believe anything that points to signs of failure.
I almost can't blame them.

FOX movies will always be the easiest targets too..

and I'm happy that this movie will bring in more mutants that haven't been shown on screen and hopefully real, recognizable mutants that people WANT to see (WTF? Quills, Arclight..). In a movie where the whole mutant phenomenon is starting to hit its stride and a big group of students, possibly helping to erect Xavier's school and the first X-Men team, I'm all up for mixing it up a little.

[X-Maniac]

Please tell me once again why anyone actually thought Lautner had any sort of attachment or was in talks to be in this movie again?!

Roger Friedman's Showbiz 411 said the studio had checked the availability of Lautner. They probably asked his agent. Nothing about him being in talks, or 'attached'.

Whether it's true is anyone's guess.

Maybe Fox needs to issue an official release saying who is cast, and perhaps it should also act quickly to dismiss rumours that are untrue rather than letting them continue to swirl. Some people already think this film is doomed. I saw one blog's editorial that suggests just that.

[louiebling$]

Aww man I wanted Lautner as James Proudstar :csad:

[X-Maniac]

Aww man I wanted Lautner as James Proudstar :csad:

Playing one native American superhuman after another? Typecasting, surely?

[louiebling$]

Playing one native American superhuman after another? Typecasting, surely?
O I was totally being sarcastic :hehe:

[TNC9852002]

In the "NO DUH" news of the day...


http://www.gossipcop.com/taylor-lautner-x-men-first-class-role/
:hehe:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Because people are gullible and want to believe anything that points to signs of failure.

Well, it's not like FOX hasn't given people fodder. :oldrazz:

[chaseter]

So reps for actors are to be trusted???

I have no idea if this is true or not but it really wouldn't shock me nor should it shock anyone if this had even a pinch of truth to it. However, there has to be a reason for the Beast recasting.

[JP]

IF there is a Beast recast... and IF Walker was ever cast in the first place.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^ Exactly.

[Lightning Strykez!]

lol Why do you seem to create new threads on a daily basis?

Leave him alone. :whatever:

[JP]

Studio: 20th Century Fox

MAIL PHOTOS TO:
FOX CASTING
10201 W. PICO BLVD.
BUILDING 12. ROOM 201
LA, CA 90035

Casting for the following roles:

[FEMALE MUTANT] She must be 16-20. She can not be over 20. Do not submit over 20 years old. She must be beautiful, fit and athletic.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/steven-gerald/feature-film-xmen-first-class/436610454975

Storm? Jean?

[Lightning Strykez!]

That could be a one-size-fits-all casting call there. I would only think it's Storm if the ad specified African American or Native African, etc.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, it doesn't really specify anything...

[chaseter]

I really wish they had casting done so that I would quit worrying about them meeting a release date 11 months away and so that they would have the entire main cast to be shown off at Comicon.

[BenReilly]

According to AICN, Aaron Johnson is locked in as Cyclops:

Has Matthew Vaughn locked in a kick-ass Cyclops? (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45700)

[JP]

I hope so. That would literally make me the happiest person in the word.

What I'm thinking is, since Aaron was up for Spidey, they decided to wait and see. Since he didn't get Peter Parker, he's now Scott Summers.

[BMM]

I really hope so too.

[ImWithTeamConan]

I'd be happy with Aaron as Cyclops. I really hope that they finally give Cyclops a good part.

But are they going to be doing some aging effects for McAvoy? He doesn't look that much older than Johnson.

[Phoenix_Flare]

^ If aaron is casted as Cyclops then its gr8!!! Aaron just turned 20 last month so it safe to say their only casting people 18-20, so it could sum up why Ben was fired, if he was ever casted, so the only older cast we have is Prof. X, Magneto, & Emma Frost which makes sense...I'm not quite sure they'll use make-up to age James or Mike for this 1st film if the team is going to be 18-20, then I guess the audience is supposed to believe Charles/ Eric, maybe Emma are in there mid-to late 30s

[Ipodman]

Older cast we have is Emma frost?

In X-men Origins Wolverine, she was about Cyclop's age?

[JP]

Alice Eve is playing Emma Frost.

[Ipodman]

I assumed that was just an audition?

Argh... keeping up with all the casting is making me dizzy... :dry:

[Phoenix_Flare]

Older cast we have is Emma frost?

In X-men Origins Wolverine, she was about Cyclop's age?

obvisouly they're ignoring XMO:W because they replaced Tim Peacock who played Scott & Tahyna Tozzi as "Emma", so we can't be for sure if that's how Scott was recruited or those mutants will be included and since Emma was recasted her role has changed to either being love interest of Xavier and/or villaness

[Crook]

I'd be happy with Aaron as Cyclops. I really hope that they finally give Cyclops a good part.
If Aaron gets the part, that assures Cyclops will finally have a significant role in the series. I highly doubt Vaughn would cast his current golden-boy if it weren't a meaty part.

Everything is going surprisingly well on the casting front, I just HATE the schedule they're working with right now. Had they an extra half-year at least, I'd be so confident with this production.

[SuperT]

So reps for actors are to be trusted???


Uuuh, I'd trust an actors actual rep over some random person online writing an article with no facts to back it up.

[chaseter]

No one said you shouldn't and I didn't say that reps are less trusted than online bloggers. I am saying that you shouldn't believe an actors rep after dismissing internet rumors. Reps lie for their actors all the time and with major roles that director wants to keep secret, the rep lies for the actor...take Star Trek for example.

[Doctor Jones]

It would be great if Johnson got the role. And Cyclops can finally get his due.

[louiebling$]

Now this is great news hopefully we get a confirmation soon

[TheVelvetOnion]

Leave him alone. :whatever:

Thank you Lightning Strykez...

and in response to that other comment by Judge Holden

I dont make new topics on a daily basis, these are topics i have thought about that i thought others might like to discuss. If you dont want to discuss, then why post?

[TNC9852002]

You do make a lot of topics, Velvet.. :p

[chaseter]

It appears Beast was indeed recast...so it seems that Tom Rothman rumor may hold true. With Fox, never assume the best.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021527.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[TNC9852002]

jeez, chaseter. :rolleyes:

It would be great if Johnson got the role. And Cyclops can finally get his due.
I agree with the former, but the latter.... :csad:

[JP]

It appears Beast was indeed recast...so it seems that Tom Rothman rumor may hold true. With Fox, never assume the best.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021527.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

:doh::whatever:

[chaseter]

What??? Is that not true? It's not old...it is today.

[JP]

Just sayin, Beast was not recast. He was never cast in the first place. Until now, of course.


I think Hault is a bit too skinny. I know he was getting ready to film Mad Max, and perhaps he had bulked up a little for that role. I guess we'll see.

[batboy99]

Yeah, thats my only problem, ive always pictured Beast to be a bit more husky.

[AdW]

James McAvoy, Rosamund Pike, Aaron Johnson, Nicholas Hoult. :woot: I'm gonna bet on Holliday Grainger as Jean Grey. Shes another up and coming Brit, starring in Showtimes 'The Borgias' series as Lucrezia.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ld/film_awards_061209/holliday_grainger_2682721.jpg

[batboy99]

Not bad, shes cute.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, thats my only problem, ive always pictured Beast to be a bit more husky.
No problem.

All of the X-Men movies have had at least one character wearing some sort of padding or a bodysuit. At the very least they'll probably give Hank some prosthetic forearms or feet anyway.

and if filming doesn't start for another 2 months, he could pack on some good size by that time and while filming progresses he could start looking a little bit more "beastly" if he has to.

[chaseter]

Just sayin, Beast was not recast. He was never cast in the first place. Until now, of course.


I think Hault is a bit too skinny. I know he was getting ready to film Mad Max, and perhaps he had bulked up a little for that role. I guess we'll see.

IDK...too many sites picked up the Walker news for it to be false imo. These are all the same sites that also said Fassbender was in talks when Walker was in talks.

[JP]

IDK...too many sites picked up the Walker news for it to be false imo. These are all the same sites that also said Fassbender was in talks when Walker was in talks.

Those sites were just picking up from what Freidman said. And quoted him. The difference is that Alice Eve and Michael Fassbender were reported by Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter. Benjamin Walker never was.

Because of that, I'm inclined to believe that he was never really up for Beast. It was just a crazy rumor that got spun around. I mean, they obviously knew that they wanted someone younger, and Ben Walker doesn't even have the right eye color! (LOL). If Walker was fired, then they sure did find a replacement fast, didn't they? I mean, didn't the report say they were having a difficult time finding one?

Also, the fact that the initial report that Walker was fired came from a sleezy UK tabloid, well... I'm just not inclined to believe any of it.

[chaseter]

But the NYT ran the Ben Walker as Beast story.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/bloody-andrew-offered-a-home-on-broadway/

I really think that Ben was either in talks, was offered it, or was hired and then let go. I really doubt, highly doubt, that he never was in talks or was offered the role and Hoult was the first person offered the role as Beast.

[JP]

No no, I believe he was in talks. Just not sure if the role was for Beast. Know what I mean?


Either way, if the reports are 100% true I'm still not worried. Vaughn's casting decisions continue to be fantastic. I'll worry when someone truly awful is cast. And I mean "Will.I.Am" awful. :p

[ImWithTeamConan]

Whoa, it's the kid from About A Boy!

[batboy99]

Yeah, it is.

[SuperT]

Interesting article at Entertainment Weekly. They confirm Hoult and Landry as Beast and Banshee, but they outright deny that Aaron Johnson is going to be Cyclops:

'X-Men': Matthew Vaughn fills his cast with up-and-comers
by Nicole Sperling
Categories: Casting, Comic Book Adaptations, Movie Biz, News

Casting rumors on X-Men: First Class have been out of control. So let’s sort out what’s true and what’s not. For the record, Fox — the studio behind the movie — isn’t confirming any of the chatter. Our sources, however, tell us that About a Boy’s Nicholas Hoult, who recently appeared in Clash of the Titans and A Single Man, will play Beast in the film, which also stars James McAvoy as Xavier and Michael Fassbender as Magneto. Caleb Landry Jones — who will appear in The Last Exorcism in August, and The Social Network in October — will take on the role of Banshee. The third name you can add to the list is Lucas Till, the actor who played Miley Cyrus’ beau in Hannah Montana: The Movie. He is in negotiations to play the role of Havok. Still, my sources tell me to keep in mind that these parts may not be the actual characters in the movie. Instead, this could be part of a misdirection campaign to keep some surprises from X-Men fans.

And in terms of what’s not true: Aaron Johnson is not appearing in X-Men: First Class. The British star of Kick-Ass may have been photographed leaving a building with Vaughn and McAvoy, but he will not be playing any type of superhero, or any other part for that matter, in the new film. Same goes for Taylor Lautner, who can’t fit another film into his busy schedule. The teen star, better known as Jacob Black, is currently shooting Abduction with John Singleton, and will begin filming Breaking Dawn, the final Twilight chapter, in the fall.

Filming on X-Men: First Class is set to begin this summer in London. It will open next June.

Interesting that they say production may be doing false casting calls.

[JP]

WHOA WHOA WHOA

Our sources, however, tell us that About a Boy’s Nicholas Hoult, who recently appeared in Clash of the Titans and A Single Man, will play Beast in the film, which also stars James McAvoy as Xavier and Michael Fassbender as Magneto. Caleb Landry Jones — who will appear in The Last Exorcism in August, and The Social Network in October — will take on the role of Banshee. The third name you can add to the list is Lucas Till, the actor who played Miley Cyrus’ beau in Hannah Montana: The Movie. He is in negotiations to play the role of Havok. Still, my sources tell me to keep in mind that these parts may not be the actual characters in the movie. Instead, this could be part of a misdirection campaign to keep some surprises from X-Men fans.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/07/08/x-men-nicholas-hoult-caleb-landry-jones/

:eek::eek::eek:

[batboy99]

Ughhhhhhhhh

[chaseter]

Please don't crowd this movie Singer and Vaughn...pretty please.

[Electrix]

This movie better be 2 hours+ if they're going to be adding all these characters.

[TNC9852002]

It's X-Men...It's always been about an ensemble--and that's what we're getting. I don't think we're even up to the number of characters that were in the first X-Men movie. No reason to get too antsy here about characters--especially when we don't know the details of the story yet.

It's cool hearing about Havok, though...I wonder if this could also mean a true Summers backstory sequence?


and fun fact: Vaughn's average movie running time is 116 minutes..

[BMM]

Havok would be awesome, and it would make complete sense for him to be in the prequels at some point. I just hope Johnson as Cyclops holds.

[chaseter]

I hope this movie is 2 hours or just over. I hope Rothman and Singer don't budge when Rothman and the head honchos start asking for a shorter run time to keep kids in seats and allow for more showings during the day.

[Silvermoth]

The third name you can add to the list is Lucas Till, the actor who played Miley Cyrus’ beau in Hannah Montana: The Movie. He is in negotiations to play the role of Havok.

ha! Yes Disney we can see you.

[Ceb-Man]

Sebastian Shaw played Anakin Skywalker as a ghost. David Prowse played Darth Vader.

[Mr. Fixit]

LoL.....I actually think about this stuff too. (weird inconsistencies in movies)

Anyway, I think it would be a cool idea to insert the new actor. That CG version of young prof. X was atrocious anyway.

The CG version from X3 was way better.

Also - on the same topic, I think we see a human version of Beast in X2 on TV....it would be cool to see the more popular blue version as played by Kelsey Grammer instead.

[JP]

I'm worried Scott/Jean/Storm aren't even in the movie.

D:

[Electrix]

I'm worried Scott/Jean/Storm aren't even in the movie.

D:

They will be. They are the most important so Vaughn will be taking longer to find the best actor/actresses :D

At least I hope that's the case anyway.

[JP]

I'm just not certain anymore.

[samsnee]

No Storm is fine by me.

[TNC9852002]

I hope this movie is 2 hours or just over. I hope Rothman and Singer don't budge when Rothman and the head honchos start asking for a shorter run time to keep kids in seats and allow for more showings during the day.
If the movie needs to be trimmed, it will be.

This may seem like a straw man argument, but I'll just mention something general here. Correlation does not equal causation. In order words, having a longer movie doesn't always mean we'll get higher quality, but like I said earlier, it's too hard to say what this movie really needs and how much time the movie needs in order to tell its story and develop its characters. To keep arbitrarily suggesting that some movie (with no details given yet) will reach its highest potential as a factor for its running time just doesn't really hold much anymore. It's all in the script and the story that should dictate who are the main characters, what elements of the plot need to be developed, and how the story and the arc is has been structured. Also, take into account that the directors (not some exec like RothFOXblanket) typically have final cut. I've seen some great moments cut out of a lot of movies, which usually had nothing to do with the studio's involvement--scenes that I felt could've helped progress characters more, but at the time the director or writers decided to cut it to make the story "flow" better. I'm not saying this is always the case--we've seen it go the other way too...

But, even though it's happened before, we still can't always predict how a studio will influence the way a movie is cut. I keep saying this because logic would then point to ask us questions like, Why is any movie over 100 minutes? Is the number of show times a day even a factor anymore? Is it demand that influences running time or is it the promise of expected rate of return? Won't people watch what they want, regardless of when and where they can see it and its running time?

[TNC9852002]

I honestly don't want to see the transformation--not in this first film anyway. I always thought it would be important to really flesh out the character a bit more before they got to that point--Unless Beast is a pivotal character in this movie, I don't see a reason to rush that development onto him and follow him around as he deals with it...

...the only other option would be for him to just start out as furry and make it his original mutation.

[chaseter]

I can name you more superhero movies that are higher in quality that have over a 2 hour runtime than those under 2 hours. You are right, that isn't the case 100% of the time but it is a fool's game to not acknowledge trends. That is why so many are pessimistic about Fox. That is why so many are pessimistic about Tom Rothman. That is why so many are pessimistic about Avi Arad.

[TNC9852002]

I can name you more superhero movies that are higher in quality that have over a 2 hour runtime than those under 2 hours. You are right, that isn't the case 100% of the time but it is a fool's game to not acknowledge trends. That is why so many are pessimistic about Fox. That is why so many are pessimistic about Tom Rothman. That is why so many are pessimistic about Avi Arad.
It's not just FOX at all...FOX is the easy target, yes because of their mistakes in the past. I understand this--but things have been shaking up lately, so, it's hard to compare FOX today with FOX 5-10 years ago. It's only because of that and the talent that's behind this movie now is why I feel that it could help to keep optimistic for the time being.

You can choose to isolate superhero movies if you'd like, but I would take that genre out of the equation and look at movies in general. I actually think that if you did a statistical analysis comparing quality of every superhero movie made with running time, I would expect there to be a very very small correlation, probably around .15+ or something and slightly left skew of a curve. Not a whole lot to go on, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

As I said before, correlation isn't always causation either. I mean, you could probably trim another 15 minutes out of TDK or X2 and you'll still have really great movies.

[Mr. Fixit]

No I meant just editing in blue Beast on the TV in X2 ("I think we see a human version of Beast in X2 on TV....it would be cool to see the more popular blue version as played by Kelsey Grammer instead.")

For this film I agree Beast should not tranform just yet.

[Mr. Fixit]

I'm worried Scott/Jean/Storm aren't even in the movie.

D:


I think Cyclops was just cast. Storm & Jean will probably be cast sooner or later....they are likely important for this version of the Xmen's (movie) backstory.

[chaseter]

As I said before, correlation isn't always causation either. I mean, you could probably trim another 15 minutes out of TDK or X2 and you'll still have really great movies.

HAHA and they would still be 2 hours:woot:

[JP]

I'd maybe trim 5 minutes off X2, but 15?
D:

[TNC9852002]

HAHA and they would still be 2 hours:woot:
Which is fine--and kinda sorta makes my point.

[chaseter]

Lets just hope that it isn't 90-110ish minutes.

[TNC9852002]

I'd maybe trim 5 minutes off X2, but 15?
D:
Not necessarily retro-actively, but I think you "get" what I'm trying to say I hope.

[TNC9852002]

Lets just hope that it isn't 90-110ish minutes.
Sounds like a wager. :p

I doubt it'll be less than 105 minutes and longer than 125.

...but like I said, if it's of any consolation, Vaughn's average movie running time is 116 minutes.. :D

[JP]

A-Team was 2 hours. Knight and Day was 2 hours 10 minutes.

[TNC9852002]

There ya go.

But the A-Team was pretty cool, although I hear Knight and Day was pretty bad...

[Superhero 101]

Bummed about Johnson not being Cyke :(

[TNC9852002]

and people were wondering why I was being so reluctant about accepting the latest casting news...It happens all the time.

[JP]

Johnson was reported by AICN. The rest, Variety and THR. Kind of a difference. :p

[TNC9852002]

News is news....and AICN comes through with decent intel from time to time...or at least they used to :(

[chamber-music]

Cool to hear Hoult is in the movie. So far this movie has about one American actor cast everyone else is British or Irish.

I hope Caleb Landry Jones does an Irish accent. Michael Fassbender can give him some tips.

[Silvermoth]

Cool to hear Hoult is in the movie. So far this movie has about one American actor cast everyone else is British or Irish.


Hoult is British.

[chamber-music]

Hoult is British.

I know. Caleb Landry Jones is the only American cast so far.

[JP]

Till is American.

[chamber-music]

Is Till confired yet?

[TNC9852002]

It sure does seem like he is.

[gap5ewl]

Can you smell some Bacon!?!?!??!?! (had to lol)

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/103711-bacon-in-talks-to-play-x-men-first-class-villain

Deadline New York is reporting that Kevin Bacon is negotiating to play the villain role in X-Men: First Class. They don't say who the villain may be.



If Bacon joins the cast, he would be joining James McAvoy (Charles Xavier), Michael Fassbender (Magneto), Alice Eve (Emma Frost), Nicholas Hoult (Beast), Caleb Landry Jones (Banshee) and the rumored Lucas Till (Havoc).

Director Matthew Vaughn (Kick-Ass) will start shooting soon for a June 3, 2011 release.

Wow now that I think about that, it would be freakin' awesome if Bacon is in this film; especially if he plays who we all think the villian might be..

SINISTER!

[FaT_tONle]

Sinister is the first that comes to mind. Maybe some global virus to wipe out humanity, or some genetic altercations that allow him to control mutants and take over humanity. The threat needs to be HUGE because that's what the premise made it out to be.

[TheVelvetOnion]

With the recent annoucement that Kevin Bacon may play the villian, and alot of people are pointing towards Mr.Sinister even though i figure he looks more like the High Evolutionary than Mr.Sinister. But its got me thinking...

X-Men 3 - had alot of Fox's involvement, so did X-Men Origins: Wolverine which to me makes me wonder if they knew what this story was going to be about way before X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

The Wolverine movie left alot of threads that you cant just go straight from that movie to x-men 1. But when you think about it long term, what if they were being incredibly smart about Wolverine...

Now dont know how many people knew this but in X-Men Origins: Wolverine - there was going to be a Mr.Sinister in a brief cameo... They even had an actor, who did appear in the movie but was unnamed in the credits...

If you rewatch the dvd he was the guy who had his back to the monitor in strykers lab who detects wolverines pulse after the weapon x treament and he appears again later stating the location of Wolverine or something that interupts Stryker and general munsons conversation.

Think of this, what if First Class does follow on from wolverine movies. all those kids. and maybe Sinister is the villian as he was due to appear in cameo for wolverine movie and lead towards first class.

[Electrix]

If Sinister is in First Class it won't be because of a cameo in Wolverine that never happened.

From the casting and what we know so far it seems Wolverine is being ignored, so I doubt we will see many connections (if any) between Wolverine and First Class.

[TheVelvetOnion]

No im not saying that sinisters involvement comes from the cameo...no

What im saying is they already knew that sinister was going to be the villian and they were going to throw him in the wolverine movie as a cameo to indicate the first class future. But they didnt.

[Electrix]

That may have been the case with Josh Schwartz's script, but Singer came up with a new storyline after Wolverine so it's unlikely.

Fox aren't that good at planning ahead.

[TheVelvetOnion]

Singer didnt write the script... or re-write it, he just gave ideas from what im told its still largely the same as Josh's script

[Electrix]

Singer didnt write the script... or re-write it, he just gave ideas from what im told its still largely the same as Josh's script

Well whoever is telling you this information is wrong.

Josh's script focused on the X-teens as they went off on adventures and Lauren Shuler Donner compared it to the recent Potter films. They apparently changed the script to fit with the end of Wolverine, but then Bryan came in with his idea and they scrapped Josh's script.

He brought in Jamie Moss to write a new script from scratch based on his idea, and it has been worked on by Ashley Miller and Zack Stentz, and now Jane Goldman and Vaughn.

[Squidboy]

Singer's direction most certainly changed the concept of First Class entirely. There will probably be similarities, but I don't think Singer would have been involved at all if his own storyline wasn't going to be used as an entirely new direction for the project.

[Nokio]

Just hearing that Singer changed the concept of First Class is just mind boggling to me. Why casll it that if you'r gonna change everything. This has always been my problem with the xfilms. The studio's need to freaking changed histoery on an established property that they had no hands in creating what so ever. I'm surprised no one is bothered by this. Singer was never this great Xmen god. His weren't good xmen movies, they just didnt suck.

[TNC9852002]

Fox aren't that good at planning ahead.
*headdesk*

That seemed like a cheapshot. It's all hindsight bias if anything...


But, I don't know anything about this supposed planned Sinister appearance for X-Men Origins--I don't think they needed to set up anything at the time in the case for a prequel or anything. It's just as bad as movies where they set up too much with planning for later movies than end up being thrown away and going nowhere...With that, I hope that Wolverine 2 is made so that what they started in establishing characters and referencing the other films, they can help connect the dots with the rest of the films too.

[Wesley Dodds]

I'd be cool with him in the role. When I first read he was involved in some way the first thing popped into my head was "Mister Sinister"...

[Lightning Strykez!]

You do make a lot of topics, Velvet.. :p

Aw, no more than I did when I was a fresh-faced Hype new-commer. :hehe:

[Lightning Strykez!]

VelvetOnion,

I fear you may be giving the studio and writers waaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Continuity is not in their vocab. :cool:

[TheVelvetOnion]

true i guess

[TheVelvetOnion]

You do make a lot of topics, Velvet.. :p

Yeah i do make alot of threads, but from what i see everyone seems to be obessed with either speculation on what characters are going to appear or officle announcements from actors/actresses that have gotten roles. Which inccidently is probably the two largest topics in the X-Men First Class thread.

Which is a shame because there is alot more topics people could discuss about reguarding this franchise but not many people seem to be making these threads. As i said the only threads you see on here is officle announcements which appear on the casting thread or you get Officle Actor/Actress's Threads.

Now im not saying there is anything wrong with these threads, but i just feel this is only a small part of alot of things we could discuss indepth about for example...

> Locations used
> Storylines used
> What people would like to see on a DVD when its released probably in 2012
> Music used - i.e composers

I could go on but when you say i do make alot of topics, its only because im trying to fill in for stuff people either are or aint necessarly thinking about.

[TheVelvetOnion]

yeah but i dont think x3 did him justice

[TNC9852002]

That and he didn't need to be in there at all.

[TheVelvetOnion]

I was just thinking, say X-Men First Class did follow on from Wolverine movie and ties in with all the other x-men movies... Well cast your mind back to the begining of x-men 3 where we saw a young Jean Grey. What we saw was Charles Xavier who could walk with Eric Lenshire with a hat, and they end up visiting the greys home to talk with Jean.
The school is recommended to the parents but when they talk to Jean, Jean just displays how powerful she is.
Now whenever anyone has talked of Jean being one of the first mutants found by Xavier, everyone had seemed to talk as if after that credits opening with young jean she basically joined there an then.
But you have no evidence to support that, infact Jean didnt say yes or no during the begining of that movie, she just demonstrated how powerful she was.
So that got me thinking. What if Jean was the last of the first class to be introduced? Infact both Eric and Xavier have trouble recruiting her.

[BMM]

So what if she was? Is there supposed to be something revelatory about Jean Grey based on the time of her attendance?

[TheVelvetOnion]

Well actually i thought how they writen him to be used is better than what they were going to have gambit do.

I mean Gambit was going to be set free, Magneto offers him to join the brotherhood and he says no walking off.

Where as Multipleman provided a decoy for Magnetos wearabouts.

But it wasnt done well, it could of been alot better, we should of seen Multipleman clones fight some of the soldiers before they all recall themselves into each other.

[TheVelvetOnion]

Well, it would be a great node to the first comic book where Jean was introduced as the last x-men member.

[BMM]

Yes, it would be.

[JP]

Please, stop making a thread every time you have a thought.

[TheVelvetOnion]

nope

[psyonic]

This should probably be in the speculations thread. There is no need for you to start a new thread every time a thought pops into your head.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

thank you God.

[Squidboy]

The problem with that (besides ruining the twist that it was Multiple Man taking over the camp) would be that the soldiers would have to open fire to defend themselves, thus injuring and/or killing dozens of dupes, which Jamie in any universe would know means that he probably wouldn't survive that encounter. So in the long run, I guess he chose snark over strength.

[TNC9852002]

lol. I didn't want to say anything.. :p

[Phoenix_Flare]

well in the comics Xavier met Jean when she was little, she didn't join the team he just met with her and taught her how 2 control her power and he put in the physic barriers but once Jean got older she decided to come to the mansion, join the team...

[Mr. Fixit]

^^ nothing wrong with that.

[Squidboy]

That'd make more sense than having the 13 year old Jean we saw with the almost 20 year old actors being cast now

[X-Maniac]

According to the timeline we can calculate, Xavier and Magneto went to see Jean years before the scene at the end of Wolverine where Xavier rescued Cyclops and the others.

I checked the X3 novelisation and it clearly states that the Xavier/Magneto scene with young Jean was in 1985.

X2 had a date on a TV screen - 2004 - and took place right after X1, which must also have been in 2004. Wolverine had then been on the road with amnesia for 15 years, which makes the end of the Wolverine movie set in 1989. This is four years after Xavier/Magneto met Jean, and explains the absence of Magneto in that scene if he'd already gone his own way.

Whether Jean went to the school in 1985 is another matter, and whether First Class will acknowledge all that is another matter. But I'm sure Vaughn said he wrote the opening scene of X3, so he may well bear it in mind.

[TNC9852002]

Now all they need is Faran Tahir to play Apocalypse

[squeekness]

Now all they need is Faran Tahir to play ApocalypseHe's my least favorite villian. :( I'd be happy never to see him in a movie.

[JP]

It could be interesting if Bacon is indeed Sinister, and his appearance leads into an Apocalypse introduction that could also pave ways similar to Star Trek. Apocalypse could be a way to alter continuity.

[MelbourneGirl]

Could Emma Frost be Sinisters buddy in crime?

[TheVelvetOnion]

It could be interesting if Bacon is indeed Sinister, and his appearance leads into an Apocalypse introduction that could also pave ways similar to Star Trek. Apocalypse could be a way to alter continuity.

Ya know i said Bacon looks like the mutant Chamber, after his jaw was rebuilt in his more recent look

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/ChamberImage.jpg

[TNC9852002]

He's my least favorite villian. :( I'd be happy never to see him in a movie.
I don't like Apoc either. I just felt like bumping this thread.. :p

[chaseter]

It could be interesting if Bacon is indeed Sinister, and his appearance leads into an Apocalypse introduction that could also pave ways similar to Star Trek. Apocalypse could be a way to alter continuity.

As much as I would love this, really love this in fact...I think people would bash it for copying Star Trek.

But, that would give Vaughn and Singer a complete fresh start to not have to bend to two movies that they both had nothing to do with and the possibility of seeing some characters we have already seen but played by different actors like with Trek.

Because eventually you know we will have to see Wolverine again at some point and I am tired of Jackman's Wolverine and I think the general audience is too.

[Doc Ock]

It could be interesting if Bacon is indeed Sinister, and his appearance leads into an Apocalypse introduction that could also pave ways similar to Star Trek. Apocalypse could be a way to alter continuity.

That would be really interesting and cool...if done right!

[Doc Ock]

According to the timeline we can calculate, Xavier and Magneto went to see Jean years before the scene at the end of Wolverine where Xavier rescued Cyclops and the others.

I checked the X3 novelisation and it clearly states that the Xavier/Magneto scene with young Jean was in 1985.

X2 had a date on a TV screen - 2004 - and took place right after X1, which must also have been in 2004. Wolverine had then been on the road with amnesia for 15 years, which makes the end of the Wolverine movie set in 1989. This is four years after Xavier/Magneto met Jean, and explains the absence of Magneto in that scene if he'd already gone his own way.

Whether Jean went to the school in 1985 is another matter, and whether First Class will acknowledge all that is another matter. But I'm sure Vaughn said he wrote the opening scene of X3, so he may well bear it in mind.

Wow, you really are a X-Maniac. :hehe: And for that, I respect you greatly, I hope to be a maniac again like you someday. :p

[Doc Ock]

I liked seeing Patrick Stewart as Xavier in Wolverine...I wouldn't be too happy with him being replaced by James McAvoy. :p

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

According to the timeline we can calculate, Xavier and Magneto went to see Jean years before the scene at the end of Wolverine where Xavier rescued Cyclops and the others.

I checked the X3 novelisation and it clearly states that the Xavier/Magneto scene with young Jean was in 1985.

X2 had a date on a TV screen - 2004 - and took place right after X1, which must also have been in 2004. Wolverine had then been on the road with amnesia for 15 years, which makes the end of the Wolverine movie set in 1989. This is four years after Xavier/Magneto met Jean, and explains the absence of Magneto in that scene if he'd already gone his own way.

Whether Jean went to the school in 1985 is another matter, and whether First Class will acknowledge all that is another matter. But I'm sure Vaughn said he wrote the opening scene of X3, so he may well bear it in mind.

But that timeline doesn't work out, because if the Wolverine scene is 89, and takes place "6 years later" from the Africa scene, which was right after Logan and Creed got arrested in Vietnam, that would have the Vietnam War taking place as late as 1983...

Unfortunately, the timeline in the series is a bit wonky, partially due to Singer having Wolverine been wandering for "15 years".

[TNC9852002]

Because eventually you know we will have to see Wolverine again at some point and I am tired of Jackman's Wolverine and I think the general audience is too.
I really don't think they'll be doing that--especially if the Wolverine solo films keep moving forward.

[BMM]

That's assuming they are arrested during wartime and that the scene in Africa takes place right after they are arrested. We don't actually know how long it takes Stryker to put together his special team or how long they are a part of it, despite the editing.

[X-Maniac]

But that timeline doesn't work out, because if the Wolverine scene is 89, and takes place "6 years later" from the Africa scene, which was right after Logan and Creed got arrested in Vietnam, that would have the Vietnam War taking place as late as 1983...

Unfortunately, the timeline in the series is a bit wonky, partially due to Singer having Wolverine been wandering for "15 years".

I'd imagine Team X existed for some time and carried out many missions before Wolverine got fed up with it.

The deleted scene for Wolverine quitting had a young Storm, whose age was stated on the DVD (can't remember it though! Was she 5 or 6?), so that would help pinpoint when that scene took place. I'll check when i get home and we'll try to work it all out between us!

[TNC9852002]

Yeah,...it really seemed like there could've been quite a length of time between when Stryker meets Victor and Jim in Vietnam and the scene in Africa.

[chaseter]

I think this Wolverine sequel is the only thing left in Jackman to do the character and I hope so. I think that will be the last film with Wolverine and he will eventually show back up somewhere as he is a major player/fan favorite.

If this is a pseudo reboot, then Wolverine will show up after the X-Men are established and I would guess we see him by film 3 if this isn't a trilogy prequel to the movies already established. But, if this is a reboot prequel or as JP said an AU then Wolverine will show up.

[TNC9852002]

Wolverine doesn't have to show up at all, seeing as the movies are chronicling the formation of the X-Men, presumably as early as the late 70's leading up to the early 90's.

I mean, leading up to the late 80's, Wolverine has been lurking around, fighting wars, leading a mutant task force, and chilling out in Canada. Even after that he's in Japan for most of the time and then comes back to Canada eventually.

Remember, the original X-Men movies and the school's first interaction with Wolverine don't even occur until 2005 more or less, so I doubt that even with a FC trilogy that they'll cover that much time.

[chaseter]

I guarantee you that he will show up in some form by the time the trilogy is over. If these films are in line with the other movies, they will end with X1 and I guarantee you that Jackman will come back for a cameo. If this is a pseudo reboot where the films are going to go into their own thing, they will come back to the present time at some point and introduce Wolverine. They aren't going to do a trilogy of X-Men movies set in the 70s and 80s.

He doesn't have to show up, I agree...but he will because he is a seat filler.

[louiebling$]

It could be interesting if Bacon is indeed Sinister, and his appearance leads into an Apocalypse introduction that could also pave ways similar to Star Trek. Apocalypse could be a way to alter continuity.
Love this idea

[Doc Ock]

I guarantee you that he will show up in some form by the time the trilogy is over. If these films are in line with the other movies, they will end with X1 and I guarantee you that Jackman will come back for a cameo. If this is a pseudo reboot where the films are going to go into their own thing, they will come back to the present time at some point and introduce Wolverine. They aren't going to do a trilogy of X-Men movies set in the 70s and 80s.

He doesn't have to show up, I agree...but he will because he is a seat filler.

I agree, Wolverine will appear eventually. IMO they are cutting it close with the first trilogy if they plan to do a trilogy of First Class.

[TNC9852002]

All I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense for him to appear. A cameo is something different. A cameo is easy to do. I'm saying, I doubt he will have any real interaction or involvement in any of the storylines.

...and there is no evidence right now showing that the end of these movies will directly integrate with the beginning of X1. I'm not saying there is or isn't a good chance that it will happen. I'm just saying it's presumptuous at this time.

At the most, maybe we'll get some glimpses at Toad, Mystique, and Sabretooth--a little Senator Kelly action. Maybe they will have it so that the last movie ends with Cyclops and Storm flying to Canada. I dunno.

[Squidboy]

There definitely should have been some more Team-X stuff to show Logan was just as bad as the rest of the team, but instead he had to be on his high horse and look down his nose on everyone else (because murd3r is wr0ng). Then he just shows how different he is from them by murdering everyone responsible for his transformation.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, I agree--I just thought about that today. I mean, we never got a chance to see that side of him while he was on the team. They really needed to set up that turn a lot better. It just didn't feel natural..

[Squidboy]

I would've liked to see a bit more of his childhood too (they sum up a six issue mini-series in a three minute scene, so before we even get a chance to care about any of the characters, they're already killing people and on the run), so the pacing of the movie in general could've used some adjustment instead of the mile a minute changes in scenery and direction.

[TheVelvetOnion]

Wolverine didnt go from Vietnam to just joining team x in africa.

The whole timeline of wolverine during the wolverine movie is misleading because, you are lead to believe that wolverine went from Vietnam and there first mission was the drug lord in Lagos... that is not true though...

I think the way it was intended was, The scene where wolverine is in vietnam is near the end of the vietnam war possibly 1974/75. Sentanced for death but survived, then imprisioned but we dont know how long they were in prision before stryker comes to them. Could of been a day, could of been a month. From that day they join weapon x, Now the first indication that this takes place maybe a few years later is because on the plane instead of being a group of strangers, they knew each other... to top that, Wolverine later considers Wrath as a friend - look at the way they talk at the boxing match, so you have to speculate that from when styker offered them a role too the scene they are on the plane. They had to be really familiar with each other and had been on possibly a number of missions so im guessing there could be a period of 2 to 4 years... i futher suggest this is the case by drawing your attention to the scene when wolverine quites team x. he states "Thats enough" Now real eager wolverine goes from doing absolutly nothing in Lagos with the drug lord to standing around in the village bit.... so he hasnt really done anything to consider "Thats enough" So there had to have been a period between the prision in 1975 to the team x scenes.. Now i did a bit of research and if you look at the history where the Team X scenes took place, Lagos the diamonds thing was big in the 80's if you look at the style of the building to even the technology you would have to suggest that Team X by that point was in the 80's. so from vietnam in 1975 to team x in the 80's well... what do you think... which this then you consider, 6 years later the last part of the wolverine movie had to have taken place in 1986 one year after you say Jean Grey was visited by Xavier and Magneto...

Which is interesting because think about it, Why was Magnetos son quicksilver a captive of stryker?

What if something happened before Quicksilver was captured like say Xavier and Magneto became nemesis and in the war others interviend.

I know the story for first class has been changed but i figure they had ideas, sowed threads just in case they wanted to use them.

[J.Howlett]

So basically, nobody really knows if this is a reboot or a true Prequel to Singer's first film.

I mean, just going by the cast, it just feels like a reboot more than anything. And yet, Singer is involved with this film, so in a way, it can't be a complete reboot.

Definition of the X-Men First Class the movie would be great...

[FaT_tONle]

I think it will be a quasi-reboot in that the first movie will be a prequel but won't necessarily lead into X-1, and if the movie is a hit, they will end up shedding that continuity and eventually a new Wolverine will come into the franchise.

[Electrix]

I think it will be a quasi-reboot in that the first movie will be a prequel but won't necessarily lead into X-1, and if the movie is a hit, they will end up shedding that continuity and eventually a new Wolverine will come into the franchise.

If it is a hit they won't need to bring a new Wolverine into it. Not while Hugh Jackman is doing Wolverine solo movies.

[X-Maniac]

Yeah,...it really seemed like there could've been quite a length of time between when Stryker meets Victor and Jim in Vietnam and the scene in Africa.

To add to my timeline calculations above...

The deleted scene that shows young Storm in the Africa scene where Wolverine quits Team X says "Eight-year-old Ororo played by..." at the end.

So, Storm was 8 in that scene.

To work out when it was, we need an idea of how old she was supposed to be in the trilogy.

The X1 novelisation includes the deleted Storm origin scene that was to have appeared in the film. It's set in 1988 and Storm is stated to be 12.

Therefore, if X1 and X2 are set in 2004, she was 28, and in X3 (set in 2005) she was 29 (even though she looks older).

By working backwards this puts the Wolverine film's Africa scene in 1984, when Storm was 8.

This would also mean Wolverine was in Team X for 9 years, from 1975 (end of Vietnam) to 1984.

Some might argue that Storm looks older in the trilogy and that Wolverine can't have been in Team X for that long, so we could say the Wolverine film's Africa scene was earlier, especially as the X1 novel Storm scene is not part of film continuity. The Africa scene could have been, for instance, in 1979, meaning Wolverine was in Team X for 4 years and Storm was aged 33 in X1 and X2 and 34 in X3.

Incidentally, the X1 novelisation also has a Cyclops origin scene, set in 1986 when he is stated to be aged 17.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be obsessional, just having a bit of fun with figures to see if it all adds up.

[FaT_tONle]

That's not the point, will it still be in continuity with the OT if it gets to a second and third movie is the issue I have, since I don't think they will deviate too glaringly in this one. I don't care either way as long as the movies are good, but if it is a prequel (or prequel trilogy), I still want to see X-4 eventually to wipe that taste out of my mouth. Otherwise a trilogy is unnecessary. I could care less about Wolverine 2 and where that fits into the time line. Unless they go with some of my favorite stories, Origins was enough for me to stop caring.

[Iceman]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/104025-jennifer-lawrence-is-mystique-in-x-men-first-class

[Doc Ock]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/104025-jennifer-lawrence-is-mystique-in-x-men-first-class

Huh, interesting, never heard of her before.

[Phoenix_Flare]

I doubt this prequel will lead into a reboot...i just don't see another set of X-films being made w/so litttle time with the original trilogy, we already have Spider-Man for that...but if Marvel should get the rights back then I could see a reboot w/a new director, another set of actors

normally reboots dont have the same director and already established background, so if "First Class" does spawn a sequel or trilogy then it'll will follow what Singer has already set-up and it seems like Vaughn is feeling his vibe

I don't think the 3rd film will lead into X1, but it'll just end that trilogy with a lot of time passing before the events of X1 it'll be a conlusion to that set of films

[Mr. Fixit]

I liked him too............but the CG work needed another pass. His face looked ridiculous If they ever go back and touch up these movies Star Wars Special Edition style I hope they revise some of the more shoddy FX.

Then again maybe the SW SE's aren't the best example. : P

[TNC9852002]

Well, in Wolverine, the introduction shot of Xavier looked really bad, but the shots afterward looked ok.

[JP]

mrmarkmillar (https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar) Just had my weekly update from Vaughn on X-Men and it sounds better every day. I can't wait for this movie. Bacon is perfect for this role.

Cool. :)

[TNC9852002]

Awwww...what role could it be?

[marvelrobbins]

Hearing from him Isn't something to get me excited.If a writer of the real X-Men and not
ultimate X-Men had said this It would be different story.I just hope this doesn't mean they are Ignoring the real X-Men and only looking at Ultimate X-Men for First Class.One of the problems with Marvel films Is nowadays filmmakers only want to look at Ultimate universe and not the real Marvel Universe.

[JP]

I.. don't.. understand you. :huh:

D:

[X-Maniac]

Hearing from him Isn't something to get me excited.If a writer of the real X-Men and not
ultimate X-Men had said this It would be different story.I just hope this doesn't mean they are Ignoring the real X-Men and only looking at Ultimate X-Men for First Class.One of the problems with Marvel films Is nowadays filmmakers only want to look at Ultimate universe and not the real Marvel Universe.

That's because the Ultimate universe is more modern, more 'film-friendly' - easier to adapt to screen because it's less way-out fantasy than the original comic books from the 60s and 70s.

But i also hope they also look at the original comics and not just the Ultimate continuity.

[marvelrobbins]

Hearing from the Original writer of Ultimate X-Men doesn't excite me about First Class.
I really am tired of those adapting Marvel only looking at the Ultimate line and not the 616 universe which is the versions many who have read the comics know.So hearing from mark Millar about First Class Is not something to get excited about.

[JP]

I.. don't.. understand you. :huh:

D:

[X-Maniac]

LoL.....I actually think about this stuff too. (weird inconsistencies in movies)

Anyway, I think it would be a cool idea to insert the new actor. That CG version of young prof. X was atrocious anyway.

The CG version from X3 was way better.

Also - on the same topic, I think we see a human version of Beast in X2 on TV....it would be cool to see the more popular blue version as played by Kelsey Grammer instead.

If we do get Sinister, he may well be responsible for making Beast blue and furry, even for making Sabretooth more feral, for tampering with Scott's blasts, etc

[Squidboy]

Well, in Wolverine, the introduction shot of Xavier looked really bad, but the shots afterward looked ok.

I thought that whole scene looked like it was shot as an afterthought in front of a cheap green screen. What a horrible way to send-off Patrick Stewart as Xavier.

[Squidboy]

He doesn't want his Marvel movies to become adaptations of the Ultimate Universe. So Mark Millar (Ultimate X-Men) commented about how good the movie seems doesn't bode well for him.

[JP]

THIS JUST IN: Kevin Bacon reportedly signed on to First Class because he absolutely loved the script! That confirms it, First Class will be based on the Footloose continuity!

:eek: