What changes would you make in the movie?

[protocida]

Since a lot of people found Iron Man 2 disappointing (I respectfully disagree :oldrazz:), I tough this thread would the interesting.

If you had the chance, what changes would you make in the movie?

Here are mine:

. Longer action scenes.

. When Rhodey gets Mark II, he'd use an emergency code Tony has given him to gain access to the suit and have J.A.R.V.I.S. suit him up.

. The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. The "phat beat" during the fight would be AC/DC's "War Machine". :oldrazz:

. More scenes between Vanko and Hammer.

. Black Widow would speak some russian.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Each Drone would be programmed in a different language.

. Black Widow would not be able to hack the Drones because they're Hammer tech, which she's not familiar with, while War Machine is modified Stark tech, which she has studied before she infiltrated Stark Industries.

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.

. After Tony and Rhodey take a picture with Senator Stern, we'd flashcut to Tony's airplane. He'd be in full Iron Man armor, minus helmet, looking at a framed newspaper with the headline "Tony Stark, national hero" hanging on the wall. Pepper would show up with his helmet and say they're ready for him. They'd do the whole "give me a smooch of good luck" routine, but Pepper would put the helmet on Tony's head after she kisses it and he'd jumps. As Tony starts flying, echoing the beginning of the movie, Rhodey would show up in War Machine armor and they'd do some aerial stunts together trough Stark Expo under reconstruction.

Nothing major, just clearing up somethings other people would call Plotholes and having MOAR ESPLOSIONS! :awesome: :awesome:

[DW4]

1. Longer ending action scene. Less flying through the expo and more Iron Man and War Machine v.s the Drones on the ground. Also extend the Whiplash fight a little longer. Don't have him dominate the entire fight like he did.

2. Change the song when Tony and Rhodey fought. They tried to make a joke of the fight with the music when it should of been more serious.

3. Show Rhodey suiting up with the Mark II.

4. A little Russian can be heard when Black Widow is not in disguise.

5. Get rid of the whole "consultant" angle at the end of the movie. We all know Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man.

6. Pepper and Tony do not kiss.

[Mr. Earle]

1) Natasha wouldnt give Tony the shot. That way he would be close to death and look like it when he makes the Vibranium. That would create more drama for the scene where Tony beats what is essentially the archvillain of this movie, because it felt like he cured himself of some flu. He was comfortable enough to pop at Pepper's office and drop off some strawberries when in reality he was hours from dying! Biggest flaw of the movie for me.

2) Ironman vs Mark II with Daft Punk was cool, but this was supposed to be Tony hitting rock bottom and fighting his best friend, so it shouldnt have been cool "hell yeah guys duke it out, destroy that mansion!", but it should have been pathetic and sad. The music and tone should have been darker. Favs really screwed up here.

3) More Whiplash. Instead of being some glorified mechanic, he should have been a constant threat.

4) Hammer and his tech shouldnt have been so laughable. I mean Vanko was pulling the helmets off the suits FFS and everything Hammer ever attempted ended in a catastrophe! How are we supposed to be intimidated by Hammer's "i'll be back lady" at the end of the movie when he is such a loser?

5) Longer final Whiplash fight. He also shouldnt open his helmet all that much. He literally took the combined repulsor blast to the face and somehow lived!

6) Natasha naked scene. :hehe:

7) If they felt that the Mjolnir in IM2 and Fury in IM1 were off topic and shouldnt be in the movie, they could at least put their scenes after some of the credits, not after 10 minutes of credits. Most people left my theatre and my bladder almost burst from all the waiting! And i think that Fury was relevant to IM1 and it is a big deal for IM2 if people didnt know they had to wait and missed him.

8) More Jarvis. If i am not mistaken Jarvis never spoke when Tony was in the suit. Maybe its because the fights had a faster pace leaving Tony no time to discuss things with him.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.


Also extend the Whiplash fight a little longer. Don't have him dominate the entire fight like he did.

Get rid of the whole "consultant" angle at the end of the movie. We all know Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man.


He also shouldnt open his helmet all that much. He literally took the combined repulsor blast to the face and somehow lived!


These.

My biggest problem was how Rhodey knew how to use to suit right away, echoing Stane from the first one. He also jumped into the suit a little too quickly. So his friend was drunk and making an ass out of himself, hasn't he ever heard of talking to him?

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

My only issue was that the final Whiplash fight should have been longer. Otherwise I loved everything about the film.

[RachelDawes]

-Make Whiplash's fights longer.

-Not have Whiplash disappear for half the movie. He and Hammer would've challenged Tony to a fight before the Expo.

-Tony's blood poisoning would've affected his ability to use the suit. Like Mr. Earle said, have his blood poisoning nearly kill him before he finds the vibranium.

-Show Tony fighting terrorists or blowing up weapon caches.

-Have more character development for BW. It felt like she just hung around for most of the movie until the end when she helped stop Vanko.

[darkslayer101]

Since a lot of people found Iron Man 2 disappointing (I respectfully disagree :oldrazz:), I tough this thread would the interesting.

If you had the chance, what changes would you make in the movie?

Here are mine:

. Longer action scenes.

. When Rhodey gets Mark II, he'd use an emergency code Tony has given him to gain access to the suit and have J.A.R.V.I.S. suit him up.

. The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. The "phat beat" during the fight would be AC/DC's "War Machine". :oldrazz:

. More scenes between Vanko and Hammer.

. Black Widow would speak some russian.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Each Drone would be programmed in a different language.

. Black Widow would not be able to hack the Drones because they're Hammer tech, which she's not familiar with, while War Machine is modified Stark tech, which she has studied before she infiltrated Stark Industries.

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.

. After Tony and Rhodey take a picture with Senator Stern, we'd flashcut to Tony's airplane. He'd be in full Iron Man armor, minus helmet, looking at a framed newspaper with the headline "Tony Stark, national hero" hanging on the wall. Pepper would show up with his helmet and say they're ready for him. They'd do the whole "give me a smooch of good luck" routine, but Pepper would put the helmet on Tony's head after she kisses it and he'd jumps. As Tony starts flying, echoing the beginning of the movie, Rhodey would show up in War Machine armor and they'd do some aerial stunts together trough Stark Expo under reconstruction.

Nothing major, just clearing up somethings other people would call Plotholes and having MOAR ESPLOSIONS! :awesome: :awesome:
the last idea is terrific!!!:cwink:

[darkslayer101]

-the whiplash fight should be more long, whiplash shouldnt have taken more advantage in the fight
-use unibeam in some major fight (especially last one against vanko)
-special moves with the silver centurion suit to finish off vanko in the race scene
-stark should have handed the mark II suit to rhodey after rhodey finds out about the palladium poisoning...but the fight was pretty good idea but poorly developed..
-a scene where stark assembles the Mark VI armor (in a tv spot, which first shows the new reactor, tony says, "o, yaa"...)
-protocida s ending idea..

[Son of Coul]

Not much, just-

- More Vanko (in general, not the fight)

- Possibly taken out Black Widow altogether, though I did like her character and ScarJo playing her. Just didn't really need to be there in the end.

- Have Tony realize the blueprints for the element are in the design a different way, not just glancing at it and the plaque and putting it together. Maybe consciously going for it, something as simple as that. Or as someone on another site said, actually go to the real live expo and try figuring it out. But OH I GUESS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EVEN MORE BORING FOR SOME PEOPLE.

- Just hinted at the fact that Tony at some point during the six months showed Rhodey how to use the suit, because though I'm willing to assume it's happened within the six months, come on. Ya gotta give us something.

- Maybe figured out the tone of the party/fight scene a little better. That one scene I feel like I shouldn't like because it feels hokey, but I really do love it. I like the tonal shifting but it could've been better handled.

- Showing exoskeleton on Whiplash's legs, unless they did and I missed this. Could've very easily explained him taking hits to the body with a car so durably.

That's really it. Just some nitpicks, I'm pretty impressed how they managed to wrangle all these storylines as well as they did. Especially by tying almost all of them together into one explosive finale. Loved the movie though.

[Doc Samson]

Extending the action, particularly the ending, is my main complaint. I can understand the Monaco scene being a fairly short fight, after Ironman grabs a hold of Whiplash without any armor, there's not much he can do. But the ending is unforgivable, especially considering how damn cool the whole thing was. My main concern with the first one was the overall lack of action, and while there's more of it in here, it still feels like there should be more. I think extending that final battle would have done the trick.

Also, like others have said, and that I hated about the first film, is how in the hell can people just hop into these suits and be pros at it? It took Stark a third of the first movie to come to grips with it. I understand there's time constraints but at least show these guys making mistakes, stumbling around, shooting the wrong thing or something.

[Darth Megatron]

SCarlett some of dat ass nude

[Darth Megatron]

scarlett should go nude

[Nathan]

So his friend was drunk and making an ass out of himself, hasn't he ever heard of talking to him?

A drunk friend with super strength who uses his repulsors for funnsies. I wouldn't approach him without any sort of protection and risk being accidentally knocked across the room.

[bullets]

SCarlett some of dat ass nude


This would also be the only change I would of made.

[mikey1974]

more Rhodey/Tony...i mean,yeah,there's a history from the 1st film,but much wasn't doen with it in this ine...build up the friendship a lot more before you put them at odds...

Vanko,after taking the combined repulsor blast,should've still been intact (damaged,but intat) and realizing he can't beat them both,go after Tony's weakness - Pepper ....

like protocida's ending idea,though i would have had her still throw it out,Tony jump after it,and have War Machine grab it and hand it too him : "What's the matter Tony,need some help?"

scene in the lab,when he changes the battery in theARC in front of Rhodey,looking at some video of rhodey in the Mark II flying around a bit:

"Well,you certainly didn't nail that landing!"
" Hey,I've only loggged 20 hours of time in the suit!"
"Don;t worry sweetheart,you'll get it eventually..." as Tony looks sadly,but with a smile, at Rhodey walking away,realizing he'll take his place after he's dead....

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

A drunk friend with super strength who uses his repulsors for funnsies. I wouldn't approach him without any sort of protection and risk being accidentally knocked across the room.
I'm not saying he had to slap him around or something, just simple reasoning.

[RachelDawes]

- Possibly taken out Black Widow altogether, though I did like her character and ScarJo playing her. Just didn't really need to be there in the end.

I thought about suggesting this too but settled for giving BW more screentime. In truth, I think SHIELD could've been removed altogether and the movie still would've been fine.

[protocida]

Pepper had alredy tried to reason with Tony and he didn't listened.

[Mace Dolex]

1) Making the fights longer and not having Iron Man fight at night, I know the CGI is less noticealble for night scenes but IM isn't Batman, so Iron Man should ALWAYS have daytime battles with villians.

2) getting rid of Black Widow, didn't care for her or her silly kickboxing fight with the guards which was just padding the film.

3) getting rid of the rock songs, I hate it when movies have the latest trendy rock song playing, it's distracting when a simple action cue would've been adequate.

4) less talky and more action.

[protocida]

The rock songs are part of Iron Man's charm. Getting rid of it it's a BIG mistake, IMHO.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There is just too much damn stuff that I would have changed.

1. Get rid of Black Widow and all of that SHEILD uselessness and make something happen in the middle of the f**king film!

2. Make Hammer less goofy and more of a threat and give Vanko something to do and also explain why he likes using whips. Make the villains more important to this franchise in general.

3. Make the entire movie about the revenge plot since that SHEILD crap is gone.

4. Put Pepper in the movie more and give her more scenes with Tony and actually develope their relationship. He didn't earn that kiss at the end.

5. Don't make them kiss at the end, that seems like something that should be in a 3rd film to me.

6. Make the movie more serious than the first instead of sillier and get RDJ to tone it the hell down. He was borderline annoying in the film.

7. Give Cheadle more to do.

8. Make an action scene in the middle. The drunken fight between friends does not count and I thought that scene was bordering on terrible.

9. Make the action scenes last longer and don't make the battle between the villain last for two seconds. It should be far longer than that.

10. I'm not sure I even want War Machine in the movie.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

1) Making the fights longer and not having Iron Man fight at night, I know the CGI is less noticealble for night scenes but IM isn't Batman, so Iron Man should ALWAYS have daytime battles with villians.

Always? I think that's a little much. I would say the Monger/Man fight could have been in the day time, but the ones at night in this one make sense. Tony parties at night and the Stark Expo was like a big party.

[Mace Dolex]

The rock songs are part of Iron Man's charm. Getting rid of it it's a BIG mistake, IMHO.
I would settle for an intrumental symphonic rock score instead of washed up rock singers.

[Figs]

There is just too much damn stuff that I would have changed.

1. Get rid of Black Widow and all of that SHEILD uselessness and make something happen in the middle of the f**king film!

I wouldn't mind really if Black Widow was taken out of the film but I didn't mind SHIELD/Fury being in there. I know that people already realize that Marvel wants all their films to be in one universe and some don't care but as a comic fan I enjoyed those scenes and as i've said in the past the couple of scenes that they did have, did have some impact on Stark and the story. At the end of the day I realize that they weren't truly needed but I didn't mind.

2. Make Hammer less goofy and more of a threat and give Vanko something to do and also explain why he likes using whips. Make the villains more important to this franchise in general.

I think that it might have been a bit better if he wasn't as goofy but at the same time I liked that he was the anti-Stark. No charisma, style or good jokes. I like Sam Rockwell so I was glad he was in a movie like this where he could have a bit of fun. With how Favreau allows the actors to do some improv I wonder how much Rockwell improvised when he was explaining his weapons to Rhodey, especially the ex-wife.

3. Make the entire movie about the revenge plot since that SHEILD crap is gone.

This is why I think the movie could have benefited having 10-15 minutes more footage in their. I wonder how this movie would have turned out if Favreau had that extra year or so that he had to make the first film.

4. Put Pepper in the movie more and give her more scenes with Tony and actually develope their relationship. He didn't earn that kiss at the end.

Agreed. I think Paltrow as Pepper has been damn good in this series and as i've said in the past it's nice to see a strong confident woman who isn't some whiney damsel in distress.

5. Don't make them kiss at the end, that seems like something that should be in a 3rd film to me.

That didn't bother me that much but I agree that it wasn't needed.

6. Make the movie more serious than the first instead of sillier and get RDJ to tone it the hell down. He was borderline annoying in the film.

Agreed. I love RDJ's improv but in the sequel he took it too far. I enjoyed his humour in the first film despite being different than the character I know from the comics but it added a bit more fun to the character than making him the typical super serious superhero. It fit in well with his alcoholic, playboy persona. I know his ego lifted after being popular after announcing he was Iron Man but it took away from his development near the end of the first film when he's talking about there just being the next mission.

7. Give Cheadle more to do.

I kind of agree but at the same time I think he had some decent screentime.

8. Make an action scene in the middle. The drunken fight between friends does not count and I thought that scene was bordering on terrible.

I don't think it was terrible but unlike a lot of people I think they should have kept out the rock/dance music. I like Queen and all but that scene should have been a bit more serious. I found him being incredibly drunk at his birthday party, considering it was his last in his eyes, to be fine but the fight itself although not being embarrassing at all for me, could have been taking more seriously.

9. Make the action scenes last longer and don't make the battle between the villain last for two seconds. It should be far longer than that.

I didn't mind it on second viewing because the entire last fight also included the drone fight in my opinion. Yeah, Whiplash should have lasted longer but overall I enjoyed the fight.

10. I'm not sure I even want War Machine in the movie.

Since this movie was heavily inspired by both Demon in a Bottle and Armor Wars it was the perfect time to bring in War Machine. They didn't need to of course but as a comic nerd I liked it because it was accurate to the comics and WM had less screentime than I thought he would, which was a sigh of relief. I just don't want him in the Avengers film and hope he's not in the third IM film too much.

[S.A.A.D.]

1. Make Hammer more serious

2. Cut out lots of the lame comedy bits

3. Make Whiplash's final battle with Ironman longer

4. Cut out the lame mainstream music and replace it with something good

5. Give Ivan more screen time

6. Build up the coming of the Mandarin a bit more

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's interesting reading your thoughts Figs and other peoples.

[Figs]

It's interesting reading your thoughts Figs and other peoples.

Just curious. Do you think some of us are talking out of our asses due to a bit of possible bias being fans of the comics? I admit I might not be reviewing or judging the film as a film in comparison to non comic movies but I really didn't have a problem with the pacing or inclusion of other characters.

I'm not trying to start something or get bitter at all. I'm really curious as to your thoughts. Maybe I just misread your post. :yay:

[Blade X]

More and longer action/fight scenes featuring either Iron Man or War Machine (or both).

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Do you think some of us are talking out of our asses due to a bit of possible bias being fans of the comics?

We earn that right after we spend money on the characters' merchandise. It's part of being a fan.

[Savage]

More action sequences if not increased time for the others. It felt like a punch wasn't thrown until the hour mark or something. Other than that the movie was a blast and the party scene that everybody *****ed about turned out to be my favorite.

"People always ask me how do I use the bathroom in this thing...:dry:...Just like that."

[Chris B]

My main goal would be to do something with Act 2. I'm just not sure what at the moment.

Otherwise, two changes I'd do would be Iron Man on a peacekeeping mission following the opening credits instead of the Expo scene (which would come afterwards) and a longer final fight with Iron Man and War Machine against Whiplash. On that note, I'd also have Vanko paint his suit crimson red

[MrKeeno]

The only thing that confused me was how flawless Rhodey moved in the Mark II suit. They maybe could have had him confused on how to control the suit and accidentally blowing up half of Stark's house. And also, what did he use to power the suit?

My questions may be answered via "deleted/extra scenes" in the DVD but until then, does anybody have any theories or reasons explaining this

[protocida]

Rhodey is a pilot, used to be an advisor of the Air weaponry development section of Stark Industries, graduated on MIT and is one of Tony's best friends. He's used to pilot advanced aircrafts, has a good notion of how the Repulsor Ray technology and advanced tech in general work; and it isn't a stretch to think Tony probably allowed him to take the suit for a few spins of his own. Besides, Mark II is very simple in terms of control (It only flies and fires Repulsor blasts). And, if you look closely, other than flying, which Rhodey is used to do, he only used the repulsors once. Also, he had some trouble with the suit: When he throwed that weight bar at Tony, he missed it because he couldn't aim right and stumbled a bit when he had to do a short-lenght flight (The "had enough?" scene). :yay:

Also, if you look closely, you can see that each of Tony's armor has its own power core. That's why Rhodey managed to use Mark II.

[weezerspider]

I agree with everyones complaints for the most part. My list is pretty identical to the Thread's creator. If AC/DC is going to do the soundtrack why would they not put "War Machine" in it? Not only is it the name of one of the characters, but that song won them a Grammy less than a year ago... It doesn't make sense.

Oh yeah, the last whiplash fight should have been waaay longer. It was way too short. I know I said I agreed with the Thread's creator's post and he mentioned that, but thats my biggest complaint, so I figured I'd mention it again.

[Aesop Rocks]

Longer action sequences.

[lou2099]

No war machine & no "black widow." They were there to sell the Avengers movie and action figures that will now collect dust in the Toys R Us discount bin.

That final fight was fine, but should have thrown down with only Vanko/Whiplash and Stark/Iron Man. If Stark is supposed to be intelligent enough to handle things, it should have been a battle of intelligence rather than merely brute force.

[GoldGoblin]

-No S.H.I.E.L.D
-No Nick Fury
-No Black Widow
-Fights lasting alot longer
-No Captain America shield
-Vanko having more character development

-Whiplash having a cool original armored looking sleek suit with a cool color scheme,something that pops.

-Rhodey having more character development.
-Rhodey not stealing the suit.
-Rhodey not being so pissed about nothing.
-Have Jarvis create War Machine in attempt to save Iron Man from the villain.

[weezerspider]

-Rhodey not being so pissed about nothing.


Are you saying Stark controlling the greatest weapon on earth while intoxicated is "nothing" to be pissed about? If I would change ONE thing, it would be that one of Stark's repulsers killed one of those girls at the party so all of the fanboys on this site understand the scene and understand why it was so bad.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Are you saying Stark controlling the greatest weapon on earth while intoxicated is "nothing" to be pissed about? If I would change ONE thing, it would be that one of Stark's repulsers killed one of those girls at the party so all of the fanboys on this site understand the scene and understand why it was so bad.lol Agreed. I borderline hated that scene and at this point I probably just plain hate it now.

Just curious. Do you think some of us are talking out of our asses due to a bit of possible bias being fans of the comics? I admit I might not be reviewing or judging the film as a film in comparison to non comic movies but I really didn't have a problem with the pacing or inclusion of other characters.

I'm not trying to start something or get bitter at all. I'm really curious as to your thoughts. Maybe I just misread your post. :yay:All I can say is that I don't judge movies based on it being a comicbook movie. It has to be a good movie period. I'm sure some people are biased for and against but I'm not one of those people.

I'm not a fan of the Iron Man comics, I've never read an Iron Man comicbook. I just liked the first movie and I wanted a decent follow-up. If IM2 was at or near the same level as IM I would have been fine but to, IMHO, regress when the first movie was so hella flawed is unforgivable.

I'm not going to engage in hyperbole and call it the worst movie ever or call Favs the worst director ever or claim that I never liked any of the actors. I just didn't think that it was a good movie and that opinion doesn't make me happy because I was hoping to really dig the flick.

I know some just think that I hate everything and like to complain but thats just not true. I really liked Star Trek despite it's ridiculous plot holes and lack of logic and I liked Pirates 1 despite the same problems. I can deal with lots of dumb things and still come out liking a movie but the middle part of IM2 just makes me mad everytime I ponder it. It's aimless and largely boring and too silly.

[Figs]

I know some just think that I hate everything and like to complain but thats just not true. I really liked Star Trek despite it's ridiculous plot holes and lack of logic and I liked Pirates 1 despite the same problems. I can deal with lots of dumb things and still come out liking a movie but the middle part of IM2 just makes me mad everytime I ponder it. It's aimless and largely boring and too silly.

Not me. I just wanted to hear some more of your thoughts on the film since I knew you were really anticipating it. Sorry to hear you didn't like it though. :csad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not me. I just wanted to hear some more of your thoughts on the film since I knew you were really anticipating it. Sorry to hear you didn't like it though. :csad:I was pretty sure that you didn't think that. I was addressing some of my haters that seem to come out of the woodwork everytime I don't like a movie and call me a troll but never seem to report to the mods that I'm trolling.

Anyway those are some of my thoughts. I mean, you and anyone else are free to ask more questions. I'll try my best to answer them.

[Iron_Stark]

-No S.H.I.E.L.D
-No Nick Fury
-No Black Widow


Do you also think this next Spider-Man franchise shouldn't have J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant and the Daily Bugle?

[JeetKuneDo]

I think take out War Machine. That's the only part that felt weak to me.

(another vote for nude ScarJo :) )

[spiderfan970]

I have a lot of faith in these guys. I always agree with what they say in interviews about their movies and they seem like they know what they're doing. The only real problem is that there was too much going on. If you look at the first one, the plot was much more simple and it gave the characters more time to be fleshed out and breath. That's really all this movie needed.

[Marvin]

this thread just turned me off of the film.

[GoldGoblin]

Do you also think this next Spider-Man franchise shouldn't have J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant and the Daily Bugle?

^
That doesn't even make any sense.

[Iron_Stark]

^
That doesn't even make any sense.

How does it not make any sense, people for some reason or another think Fury SHIELD and Black Widow don't belong in this film as though Marvel strong armed Favreau into adding them just to advertise the Avengers.

When in reality Black Widow made her debut in Iron Man, and Fury and SHIELD worked with Iron Man early in the comics.

They're as important to Iron Man mythos as JJJ, the Bugle and Brant are to Spider-Man.

[Figs]

How does it not make any sense, people for some reason or another think Fury SHIELD and Black Widow don't belong in this film as though Marvel strong armed Favreau into adding them just to advertise the Avengers.

When in reality Black Widow made her debut in Iron Man, and Fury and SHIELD worked with Iron Man early in the comics.

They're as important to Iron Man mythos as JJJ, the Bugle and Brant are to Spider-Man.

Some people still think that the SHIELD stuff messed with the flow of the film.

Although I really liked the film I still think that if it were about 15 minutes longer it would have made it a lot better. In those 15 minutes I would have put in some more Rourke and spend some more time(dramatic not humerous)involving his poisoning and him going on a bender even a bit after his party. Maybe show him doing some dangerous stuff after Rhodey leaves.

I think that might have rounded out the film a bit better.

[Wesley Dodds]

I actually have very few complaints about the movie but being a comic book nerd, i'll give it a shot...

Its been six months since the last movie, Starks supposed to've been singlehandedly dealing with World Issues... It would've been very nice to have seen some of that.

When Hammer intoduced Rhodey in the armour, he really should called him War Machine.

Whiplash could have done a little bit more in his suit at the end.

Aaaaaaaannnd... Yeah, that's it.

Great movie.

[Figs]

When Hammer intoduced Rhodey in the armour, he really should called him War Machine.

There is a scene(I think it might be when they're fighting at his birthday party)where Stark refers to Rhodey as a "War Machine". Sort of similar to the first movie when Obediah says to Stark "that's what we do Tony, we're Iron Mongers".

[Wesley Dodds]

There is a scene(I think it might be when they're fighting at his birthday party)where Stark refers to Rhodey as a "War Machine". Sort of similar to the first movie when Obediah says to Stark "that's what we do Tony, we're Iron Mongers".


Yeah, I remember and i Thought that throw away line worked well for Iron Monger but War Machine is a much more important character to IM canon and the way the movie had set up his introduction, in such a public way... It just felt like a missed oppurtunity.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I feel it would have been a little silly if Vanko said something like, "Call me Whiplash." Same goes for Stane. Movies and comics work differently, so not every villain needs to be named. However, I agree that Rhodes should have been dubbed War Machine by Hammer, rather than the name be in a throwaway line which was muffled under Tony's mask and the music.

[Scorpion Soldier]

I loved the movie but definitly would change a few things.
-AC/DC or any classic rock music during the Tony/Rhodey fight, the current music isn't that bad but it's not exactly a perfect fit for Iron Man.
-As earlier mentioned make Hammer actually call the suit War Machine, after all he is competing with Iron Man, so at least give the suit a cool name to compete.
-Make the Vanko/IM/WM fight a bit longer, maybe have Tony fight him for a bit first and some dialogue and then have Tony and Rhodey defeat him.
-Have more conflict between Ivan and Tony in the prison scene, perhaps Ivan getting loose from his handcuffs and attacking Tony, to show how much he hates him.
-Mark II suit up scene with Rhodey, the suit up scenes are always nice to watch and are visually impressive, might aswell could've used up 10 or 15 seconds to actually show him putting on the suit.
-10 or 15 minutes more runtime

[Iron_Stark]

-As earlier mentioned make Hammer actually call the suit War Machine, after all he is competing with Iron Man, so at least give the suit a cool name to compete.



The "Variable Threat Response Battle Suit" is what Tony Stark first named it in the comics when he built it, I thought it was a really nice touch that the film makers put that in there.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

-Longer final fight scene
-Making Vanko's suit more interesting.
-Not killing Vanko.

That's pretty much it.

[Scorpion Soldier]

The "Variable Threat Response Battle Suit" is what Tony Stark first named it in the comics when he built it, I thought it was a really nice touch that the film makers put that in there.
It is a nice thouch, that's true. But Hammer was trying to make WM an icon because he wanted to compete with Iron Man, and it's kinda like advertising a product. For instance in commercials you don't hear the full project name, only it's public name that is much shorter in simpler because for the general public it's much easier to remember.

[lou2099]

-Longer final fight scene-Making Vanko's suit more interesting.Not killing Vanko.That's pretty much it.I don't necessarily believe he's dead.

[Golgo-13]

^ His suit blew up with the rest of the drones.

My only gripe is that there was even less IM in this than IM1. This is the first time i've seen a superhero movie, where they pull back on the main stars action in the sequel. The first movie, i understand because of character developement and whatnot, but in a sequel...wtf?!!!

[Chris M]

Loved the film, but for my money:

Lose the Black Widow character (especially the Happy Hogan fight scene) Sorry - I enjoyed seeing her but she didn't advance the story in a meaningful way. Save it for the special features.
Include the 10 Rings with the time you get back - maybe even show the Mandarin in the shadows.

[zeptron]

- Get rid of Black Widow. She added nothing to the movie. There were already too many subplots and too much set up going on for one movie. So to put her in as well was just too much. She didn't even play much of a part in the story. She hung around Tony and got to do one fight.

- Much longer final fight with Whiplash. I was a bit disappointed with the short fight with Iron Monger in the first movie and was hoping for a more epic fight with Whiplash.

- More scenes with Vanko.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wow, changes, there are actually quite a lot I would make:

Give the movie some emotional content is my main one. I mean, the main character, the TITLE character, is dying, and did we feel anything towards it? No, not at all, as we never get to feel the gravity of the situation, all we see is Tony making jokes, more than anything else, this was the main flaw of the movie for me, it felt extremely hollow. Just one scene of Tony thinking he has found a cure, only for it to fall apart at the last minute and he breaks down crying, would have added a WHOLE lot more to movie.

I know its been said before, but make the action sequences longer, I didnt mind the Monaco fight being short, the the last fight lasting about 60 seconds is unforgivable for a $200 million dollar movie though, especially when the whole movie was building upto a confrontation between Stark and Vanko, this was very poor, I dont expect to be walking out of a movie with this budget dissapointed with the action.

Make the movie 15-20 mins longer, I blame this mostly on Marvel, as it was obvious the movie was missing something in places and I doubt Favreau was happy about this.

Lastly, take SOME of the jokes out, they actually got annoying at some points.

[S_H_F_4839]

everyone is saying drop black widow, I disagree slightly I think she should have been reduced to a cameo appearance I think she should have been the one that called fury about the hammer in new mexico coulson could have been down in the crater trying to pick it up and not having any luck.

I agree that a lot of the sheild stuff should have been dropped there could have been one scene with fury trying to convince stark over the phone to join and we could have kept the im not going to join ur super powered boy band line. I also think stark should have found the element on his own and found a hidden message from his father without fury holding his hand.

hammer should have been more of a threat also. he should have been a serious rival to tonys company rather than the annoyance he was portrayed as rockwell was perfect casting but was misused making hammer a dancing money/power hungry fool to be played by vanko.

now on to vanko himself his character should have been split into the two characters he should have been rather than combining them into one. I pictured a big two part epic battle at the end when they started talking about whiplash and crimson dynamo I pictured a big fight between the dynamo and iron man that leaves his armor severly battled damaged which is why whiplash without armor can stand up to him.

I also think there should have been a much bigger goal rather than the destruction of tony stark like hammers ultimate goal should have been to push the world into war maybe have a country he is supplying be pushed into war with the us. we have all this anti american sentiment the world over I pictured a big press confrence unveiling rather than the expo unveiling of war machine and hammers people taking control of rhody and him being used to attack this country starting a war where hammer will benefit from supplying weapons to both sides. if he wanted to include the anti stark part of it when they traced the signal that controlled rhody it would come back to a stark sattelite that had been taken over by hammers technicians. hammer has always been about business before anything else so why was he portrayed where business was on the backburner instead he was obsessed with political power. russia should have been the country rhodes was forced to attack and hammer could have used the plans he made when he was upgrading rhodes armor to design a more powerful suit to sell to russia which they outfit their best soldier with and he could have rigged something where the suit will kill the pilot if he disobeys a superior which hammer takes control of when stark attempts to attack hammer induustries.

[kinko]

Overall, Ironman 2 was an enjoyable movie but it does suffer from some of the same problems a lot of these sequels do; that of introducing too many characters. I watched an interview with Jon Favreau where he realises that it is a problem but only a problem if all the new characters are pointless. And in this respect he does tackle the extra players fairly well.

The problem is that one of the best things about Ironman 1 was its simplicity and this is somewhat muddled in the sequel with these extra people.

So if I were to change things, I would agree with many here to cut Black Widow, Nick Fury and the whole SHIELD element (Maybe leave in the agent from the first film).

Also it's clear that there are influences from the 'Demon in a Bottle' story line, but it would have been better if Rhodey became War Machine to step in as a hero when Tony was going over the edge with drink, as opposed to kinda stealing the MK2 from him.

One more problem that didn’t sit well with me was near the end when Tony confesses he is dying to Pepper. This scene, which was to be a really important point in their relationship, was played out over 2 monitors watched by Happy and Black Widow?! This didn’t feel terribly passionate shown in the way it was and I can help but feel it was done in this way to further justify Black Widows involvement. I would be much happier to have seen this as an intimate (well as intimate as you can get while one of the people it flying a 200 mph) moment between the two, and would have really help sell their kiss at the end, which to me came a bit out of the blue.

Also, I think they missed a trick by not having Hammer/Vanko in cahoots with the Ten Rings.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Overall, Ironman 2 was an enjoyable movie but it does suffer from some of the same problems a lot of these sequels do; that of introducing too many characters. I watched an interview with Jon Favreau where he realises that it is a problem but only a problem if all the new characters are pointless. And in this respect he does tackle the extra players fairly well.

The problem is that one of the best things about Ironman 1 was its simplicity and this is somewhat muddled in the sequel with these extra people.

So if I were to change things, I would agree with many here to cut Black Widow, Nick Fury and the whole SHIELD element (Maybe leave in the agent from the first film).

Also it's clear that there are influences from the 'Demon in a Bottle' story line, but it would have been better if Rhodey became War Machine to step in as a hero when Tony was going over the edge with drink, as opposed to kinda stealing the MK2 from him.

One more problem that didn’t sit well with me was near the end when Tony confesses he is dying to Pepper. This scene, which was to be a really important point in their relationship, was played out over 2 monitors watched by Happy and Black Widow?! This didn’t feel terribly passionate shown in the way it was and I can help but feel it was done in this way to further justify Black Widows involvement. I would be much happier to have seen this as an intimate (well as intimate as you can get while one of the people it flying a 200 mph) moment between the two, and would have really help sell their kiss at the end, which to me came a bit out of the blue.

Also, I think they missed a trick by not having Hammer/Vanko in cahoots with the Ten Rings.

Couldnt agree more with this part, this was my main problem with the movie, even the serious issues were played for laughs, which in the end gave the movie no emotional content at all when everything is played for laughs, which was a BIG flaw in the movie, because at the end I simply felt nothing.

Definately agreed about the kiss as well which was a WTF moment for me.

[Mr. Fixit]

It seemed to run long and the pacing was off throughout the film. I'd try to fix that I suppose.

Maybe it'll come off better upon a second viewing. My initial response was..."meh, very average"

[UnionJack]

One more problem that didn’t sit well with me was near the end when Tony confesses he is dying to Pepper. This scene, which was to be a really important point in their relationship, was played out over 2 monitors watched by Happy and Black Widow?!

I hated this scene it totally took away some pace from the action and tension building up just to throw in another scene of Pepper moaning.

My main change would be much less of Pepper she is his assistant, there is no reason to make her his love interest other than films seem to need a love interest. She is a crap character. Cut back on Happy too he didn't need a fight scene.

I was happy to see the Shield parts for me they didn't get in the way as I knew going into the film that they needed to be in it to build up parts for the bigger picture. I would have liked Black Widow to have a Russian accent but I guess with the "bad guy" been Russian it might not have worked, also a little more character development from her would have been nice.

It's a shame that the end fight felt rushed again like the 1st one, we had some really good set-pieces and scenes building up this big moment, just for something sort so Tony could go get Pepper and let them have a long drawn out "I need you .. I love you" moment which wasn't needed.

[BatJeff7786]

-Have Vanko possess the key to curing Stark's poisoning. It significantly raises the conflict between the two characters and raises the stakes of the plot.

-Rather than have a drunk Tony fight Rhodey and steal the Mark II suit, have the same situation, but then Vanko causes some trouble that requires Iron Man to have to take action, but he's still drunk and fails miserably. Then Rhodey comes in and has to save the day. Much more dramatic and interesting.

-Cut back on the SHIELD stuff or at least integrate it better. Also give Fury a proper introduction rather than relying on everyone to see "the end credits to the last movie" or "knowing the comics".

-At least one more action scene in the middle of the film.

-Make Hammer at least somewhat of a threat to Stark rather than just comic relief all the time. Also give us a legit reason for them to arrest him at the end.

[Blackman]

Longer fight scenes
Take out/dramatically reduce SHIELD-Nick Fury screentime
Take out Black Widow and replace ScarJo
Up Happy's role
Put a little more edge on Tony's alcoholism (not DIAB level though)
Make Hammer an actual threat

[dru-zod2501]

I loved the movie, let me prefice with that, but if I could change anything...

1) make Black Widow more relevant once it's understood who she really is. Yeah she keeps a low profile when she's just a lowly notary/assistant, but when she's a baddass SHIELD agent... Y'know what? Just make her more relevant, period.

2) Pepper should've been more aware of what Tony was going through. Even if she didn't know the whole story, she shouldn't have been completely oblivious to Tony's condition that just made her look stupid. This was a major demotion from "I don't have anyone else but you" from the 1st movie

3) On the subject of Pepper again, show at least some hint of affection between her and Happy. That would've been a nice nod to the comics, and they had much more screentime together in this one than the last. Just one scene, or a line would've sufficed. A wasted opportunity.

4) The key to defeating the Hammeroids should've been defeating Vanko himself. That way the final fight could've been longer and more important (though in all honesty I didn't mind how long it was)

5) Vanko must keep his helmet on at all times in the final fight or leave it off, none of that Venom-ish helmet on, helmet off crap

I think that's all

[925cali]

I wouldn't change Pepper and Tony kissing. It's nice to see a movie like this where the couple is actually together and not all over dramatized and unhappy. I do like the idea of Black Widow speaking some Russian. I wouldn't want the last fight scene to be any longer. Too many movies drag that on forever.

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[DCnightwing23]

I wouldve liked a more impactful more intense and action driven ending fight with war machine and iron man vs whiplash, that fight lasted like a tad over a minute. The ended was wasted, it really took away from the movie for me.

[Spider-Vader]

More War Machine/Rhodey.

Less Black Widow, besides the end battle. Maybe Fury tells Tony that he'll have an agent backing him up & it's Widow.

Battle between WM/IM & Whiplash SHOULD BE WAAAAAAAAAAAY LONGER.

10-15 minutes longer.


That's all I'd fix. I loved this movie & it's my second favorite movie of the year after TS3. This movie was easily better & more enjoyable than any movie from last year, save District 9 & Up.

[Son of Coul]

My revised changes after sitting on the movie-

-More Rourke.

And that's pretty much it. I didn't have a problem with the shorter final fight and honestly didn't think anyone would until I went online. You guys have to realize this is a star studded cast with huge effects and lots of sets to build and you gotta realize the reality of budget. I was looking at the Art of IM2 book in a Barnes & Noble and they had some cool ideas, it's not like they just came up with that and said "yeah that's good enough." I'm sure they wanted more but each of those shots costs a lot of money and they had already undoubtedly burned out a lot of it by hiring that cast alone. Paid off, though.

[marvelman2006]

I would change a bunch of stuff:

- the pacing was entirely off in this movie, was it a comedy? was it a drama? was it an action adventure? the movie seemed to have a split personality problem where it didnt know what it wanted to be so it just flip flopped every 10 minutes till the credits rolled.

- why do you have ironman being air dropped into a expo 1000's of feet down when he can just fly from home? does superman get air dropped in too? also from the looks of expo audiences reactions noone knew he was even air dropped in so what sense did it make? he can fly for christ sakes, and dont dare say it was too far from home because he flew from his house to the middle east in the first one.

- give ironman something to do in his movie. he sat on a$# for almost the whole movie then they made it illegal for him to be ironman after he was just sitting around. he had 3 fights and the rest of the time sat around and talked about shield, dad, drinking.

- I didnt mind black widow but I feel she didnt serve the story best at all, you could have easily had coulson in her spot and not miss a beat.

- I would redo the whole war machine born scene, it felt like a comedy scene and the whole lead up to rhodes taking the suit didnt make sense.
It was suppose to be a emotion filled scene that came off more as a comedy routine from snl and it felt like a rock um sock um robots deal where they couldnt hurt each other so what was the point of the fight?

- for god sakes have these damn people keep there mask on in fights. if Im fighting 2 guys who have lasers and mini guns firing at me, the last thing Im going to do is take off my mask to say "good to be back"

just some of my quips but the movie really felt like a first draft and they just ran with it instead working down to a solid story.

[Slushy]

- Terrence Howard as James Rhodes / War Machine

- Longer final battle

- "War Machine" playing during the credits instead of "Highway To Hell"

That's it.

[Doc Ock]

References to The Incredible Hulk! :D

[solidsnake86]

Like some have said built up the mandarin and done more towards a 3rd Iron Man movie instead of being concerned with the avengers. Definately a longer whiplash fight at the end because they gave him a really cool look.

[Spider-Vader]

- Terrence Howard as James Rhodes / War Machine

- Longer final battle

- "War Machine" playing during the credits instead of "Highway To Hell"

That's it.

I agree, but I really liked that they played Highway at the end credits. Maybe after Highway, they could of played "War Machine".