Avengers villains rumored to be the Skrulls

[Parker Wayne]

Many sites are reporting that instead of Loki like many people thought it would be, The Avengers would be going up against the Skrulls. This hasn't been confirmed by Marvel, but by inside sources.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/109/1091649p1.html

http://screenrant.com/avengers-movie-villains-skrulls-rob-61051/

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=18337

The Avengers Will Face the Skrulls in 2012

Several insider reports have revealed who may be the actual villains in The Avengers movie(s); and why Marvel Studios doesn't need to chase down character rights.

It's been assumed for several years now that Marvel Studios ensemble film The Avengers will follow the continuity of the original comics run; where Loki gains control over the Hulk to unleash his fury on Earth, which causes the superhero team to assemble for the first time. Last night I learned that this may not be the case, and apparently I'm not the only one who's privy to this information. Two fellow entertainment journalists, one being our own DCMarvel_Freshman, were tipped to this information around the same time as I was; and by two other sources close to the production.

The highlight of this insider scoop (DISCLAIMER: which has not been confirmed by the studio itself) is that the shape-changing alien race the Skrulls are being used as the main antagonists for The Avengers. Not only that, but the Skrulls will 'brainwash' and use the Hulk in a similar fashion Loki did in the comics. Don't expect a full on alien invasion, though; that will have to wait for a sequel. The Skrulls' role will be largely clandestine, similar to the way S.H.I.E.L.D. operates.

For those of you wondering who the Skrulls are, here's a brief synopsis courtesy of Marvel: 'The Skrulls are an extraterrestrial humanoid race who have created a vast interstellar empire, the oldest known empire still in existence, within the Andromeda Galaxy.. A Skrull can mentally cause the unstable molecules that comprise his or her body to become pliant, enabling him or her to assume other forms through muscular expansion and contraction. Once a new shape has been assumed (human, animal, alien), it takes a conscious act of will to assume another form or revert to natural.. Although the Skrulls became aware of Earth (due to its nearness to a natural warp-space access point) eons ago, it was not until recent times that they considered Earth’s threat. Their first regular surveillances of Earth began in the 1930s. To date most of the Skrulls’ excursions to Earth have been extremely small-scale, with no more than a handful of soldier-infiltrators being dispatched at any given time. It is not yet known how the death of the current ruling family will affect official policy toward Earth or the government of the empire in general. '


Apparently, the Skrulls won't be the only alien race to be introduced in The Avengers; their enemy, the Kree, will also have a presence as Earthly allies. This isn't surprising information, considering a young actor by the name of Kevin Pennington has been rumored to portray a character by the name of Noh-Varr; who just so happens to be a Kree. Though I couldn't get confirmation that Noh-Varr is Pennington's role, at his point, all signs are pointing to 'yes.'

That's not all, True Believers, the last bit of information I managed to talk to this source about was regarding comic character film rights, and how Marvel Studios is planning on bringing fan-favorites like Spider-Man, Wolverine and the Fantastic Four back under their umbrella. It seems like the opposite it true. Marvel has no intention of working out deals with neither Fox nor Sony in an effort to use the characters (including the ones mentioned above) in future Marvel Studios projects. Instead, they will simply, "pretend they don't exist in the Marvel Cinema Universe until those companies inevitably grow tired of them."

How on Earth will those studios grow tired of characters that offer them tent pole film franchise opportunities? It may not take as long as expected; after all, there are only so many times you can 'reboot' a character before the general movie going public looses interest. Though it may take another decade or so, that seems to be an acceptable wait for Marvel to bring their heroes home.


I would totally be up for it if they went this route.

[JP]

LOL, Kevin Pennington is a poster on the Hype. . .

[Parker Wayne]

I also read an editorial on CBM. It was pretty good.

http://www.**************.com/fansites/CookiepussProduction/news/?a=18356

EDITORIAL: Why The Skrulls Make Perfect Sense For "The Avengers" Villains

.....Here are reasons why The Skrulls are great choices to fight against The Avengers in 2012.

1. The Avengers will need to be very large scale, to be fair, it would be anyway with just the brilliant talent involved and the characters, but like all comic book films, the villains need to have something to make them superior to the heroes. The problem with Loki is that he is just one man going against a team of superheroes who are fairly powerful, and while Loki is a god, he still does not possess enough power to even defeat Thor. Then again, even when Loki is brainwashing The Hulk to go against The Avengers, it still would not be a strong enough plot device. You cant honestly suggest The Hulk being manipulated by Loki would be able to carry the film, can you? The Skrulls are aliens who are more then one being and can easily be made to be real threats towards The Avengers.

2. Joss Whedon does well with directing sci-fi films, like "Serenity", which has generated a lot of the positive influences everyone has on him directing The Avengers. Adding The Skrulls into the film under Whedon's direction is no doubt going to be flawless.

3. It makes sense to the overall story, so far all we know is that Nick Fury is forming The Avengers. We know absolutely NOTHING as to why Fury is forming The Avengers and The Skrulls would be a perfect and meaningful explanation. Popular beleif had been that Fury is forming them to take on The Hulk, and while that may be partly true, forming a team with heavy hitters like Tony Stark, The First Avenger and A God just seems a bit over the top to defeat The Hulk. Really, if this was the case, Fury could just contact Thor and that could probably be the end of it. Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D assumingly know about everything going on in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and with something as big as an alien occurance anticipated, it would make sense to gather some of the earth's mightiest heroes to tackle them.

4. The inclusion of The Skrulls could potentially add a lot more drama, considering that they can shape shift, and *supposively* they can change themselves to look like other humans and beings which means they could easily take on the form of say Nick Fury, Agent Coulson and any S.H.I.E.L.D agent. Hell, they could even make themselves to look like any member of The Avengers.

5. Marvel is now well known to add easter eggs and hints to other superheroes or anything occuring in the Marvel films, and with the idea that The Mandarin could be in Iron Man 3, The Skrulls could set him up very nicely. That is, if Marvel decides to go the comic book route with The Mandarin and have his rings being of alien technology.

6. It may mean nothing at all, but The Skrulls had played a part in the Ultimate Avengers 2 animated movie and because of this, Marvel may have felt they would be the easiest villains to recognise in the film to non-comic book readers...

Those are just some specific points that I felt should be noted for the possibility of The Skrulls being The Avengers villains, and I hope you all agree with these points!

[thorstone]

Loki is like the Avengers film's Brainiac-- a terrible idea that only fanboys want.

I always viewed the Skrull as a Fantastic Four villain first and an Avengers villain second.

The Skrull will require a far reaching conspiracy of infiltration-- that is their power. It could be awesome, or it could be a massive fail.

I was thinking they would use an individual character who could fight the Avengers.

[Iron_Stark]

Loki is like the Avengers film's Brainiac-- a terrible idea that only fanboys want.

I always viewed the Skrull as a Fantastic Four villain first and an Avengers villain second.

The Skrull will require a far reaching conspiracy of infiltration-- that is their power. It could be awesome, or it could be a massive fail.

I was thinking they would use an individual character who could fight the Avengers.


Wait, why is Brainiac a terrible idea? After 4 movies with Lex Luthor and 1 with a Lex Luthor rip off, Brainiac would be a great addition.

[FaT_tONle]

FF are a big part of the mythos and the Skrull War and Marvel has no intentions of bringing them back in? Stupidest logic ever. And if there is no alien invasion, I am wondering if Hulk will be the main villain in the movie???

[KangConquers]

Loki is like the Avengers film's Brainiac-- a terrible idea that only fanboys want.

I always viewed the Skrull as a Fantastic Four villain first and an Avengers villain second.

The Skrull will require a far reaching conspiracy of infiltration-- that is their power. It could be awesome, or it could be a massive fail.

I was thinking they would use an individual character who could fight the Avengers.

Loki is far from a terrible idea.

[thorstone]

Wait, why is Brainiac a terrible idea? After 4 movies with Lex Luthor and 1 with a Lex Luthor rip off, Brainiac would be a great addition.

It's a weak character, boring design, ridiculous name, and Superman has a number of villains that are the most powerful characters in comics which would be more interesting on film: Darkseid, Kalibak, Doomsday, etc.

[babykhris]

I know alot of people who hate the Ultimate Universe will be mad at this decision as this seems to be the plot of Ultimate Avengers, but you know I'd like this over Loki.

[topdog1]

I know alot of people who hate the Ultimate Universe will be mad at this decision as this seems to be the plot of Ultimate Avengers, but you know I'd like this over Loki.

Yeah, I'm one of those guys. I hate the Ultimate Universe. I also think this is an AWFUL idea. It's the whole concept of aliens that loses it for me. The reason why Iron Man took off is that they based the story around character and tried to tie it to reality. Having a god of thunder and a giant green man-monster will be tough enough to ground without throwing in a swarm of shape-shifting aliens. Will that simply be too over the top for general audiences? I guess they made bagillions with a dumb story and giant blue aliens with Avatar so who knows any more? It seems like we have to get on board with Skrulls and not whine about it until we see what transpires.

I trust Marvel and Whedon but I really worry about this project with this news.

[KangConquers]

It's a weak character, boring design, ridiculous name, and Superman has a number of villains that are the most powerful characters in comics which would be more interesting on film: Darkseid, Kalibak, Doomsday, etc.

And how does that apply to Loki, one of marvel's finest villains?

[NEXUS 6]

I don't really think this provides for very dynamic villainy.

I, for one, would like human villains with human motivations and human emotions. Give us one dynamic villain, please.

[KangConquers]

Yeah, I'm one of those guys. I hate the Ultimate Universe. I also think this is an AWFUL idea. It's the whole concept of aliens that loses it for me. The reason why Iron Man took off is that they based the story around character and tried to tie it to reality. Having a god of thunder and a giant green man-monster will be tough enough to ground without throwing in a swarm of shape-shifting aliens. Will that simply be too over the top for general audiences? I guess they made bagillions with a dumb story and giant blue aliens with Avatar so who knows any more? It seems like we have to get on board with Skrulls and not whine about it until we see what transpires.

I trust Marvel and Whedon but I really worry about this project with this news.

I never wanted this to be tied to reality; this isn't Nolan Batman, this is the Avengers. It's science fiction/ superhero film.

This sounds to me like it will be a half Ultimates half 616 story. Kree Skrull War plus Ultimates alien invasion. I'm more concerned with the fact that they want this to be a multiple film arc instead of exploring more interesting characters like Kang and Ultron.

[Figs]

I like this idea a lot.

I never cared for the idea of having Loki be the enemy and controlling the Hulk. I know it's accurate to the old comics but Loki is already going to be the villian in Thor and this way we can hopefully see Hulk fight along side the Avengers as opposed to fighting against them.

[louiebling$]

Wtf? Did he really just say Loki would be a terrible Fanboy decision???

Loki is a Fantastic villan... He is Othello's Iago but a Sorceror/Strategist/Manipulator... loki is a Genuis and would be the perfect villan for the job... one man outwitting some of the strongests hero's in the world.. how does that sound terrible?:huh:

[Rock Sexton]

If this is true, my optimism for the film just made a bee-line for the exit.

This is ultra CHEESE. IMO the "general" audience (no, not your comic purists) will laugh at this concept.

[JP]

Doubt it.

[Wesley Dodds]

I'd prefer to keep them for the mooted FF reboot.

If they wanna Go with The Invading alien race thing, I say go with The Kree.

[FaT_tONle]

If this is true, my optimism for the film just made a bee-line for the exit.

This is ultra CHEESE. IMO the "general" audience (not not your comic purists) will laugh at this concept.

It depends on how they do it. If the aliens are more Star Trek than they are Star Wars or MIB, the cheese factor may not be an issue at all. Could be something like the movie Invasion with Craig and Kidman, as bad as that was. I am not an expert on the mythos so I can't tell you if it will translate well in live action, and they made it clear it at least won't be another Independence Day. It's still an issue though, why de-thaw Cap if you aren't even using a remotely connected villain? "Hey folks, time to bring back Cap because he can save us from the Skrulls..." not gonna work.

[louiebling$]

It depends on how they do it. If the aliens are more Star Trek than they are Star Wars or MIB, the cheese factor may not be an issue at all. Could be something like the movie Invasion with Craig and Kidman, as bad as that was. I am not an expert on the mythos so I can't tell you if it will translate well in live action, and they made it clear it at least won't be another Independence Day. It's still an issue though, why de-thaw Cap if you aren't even using a remotely connected villain? "Hey folks, time to bring back Cap because he can save us from the Skrulls..." not gonna work.
Unless they go the ultimates route and it turns out some of the Nazi are Skrulls :(

[Chewy]

It's still an issue though, why de-thaw Cap if you aren't even using a remotely connected villain?
When you find the perfectly preserved body of Captain America frozen in ice, your first thought is not "Are any of his old enemies still active? If not, we might as well leave him frozen"

[FaT_tONle]

Fine... you are studying the body, reintegrating him to modern times, now go out there and kick ass against aliens? I am not saying everything has to make sense in a CB movie, but I would think the government would want to secure their investment before throwing him out there. I just think with the groundwork from IM and Hulk, audiences will have a tough time buying an intergalactic war far out there somewhere. I know Wheldon won't go crazy with it, but just the premise is sketchy this early. Before you throw Norse Gods at me, we haven't seen Thor yet. There may be a plausible, or scientific explanation they come up with for heavenly realms. Look it how Rowling handled it with HP. I doubt it will be as far fetched as that per say.

[thorstone]

I would personally prefer the Skrulls appear in the Fantastic Four remake and have the villains in the Avengers be Dr. Doom and Kang.

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Did someone say something about shapeshifting aliens?

Whether the Skrulls appear in Avengers or Fantastic Four (or both, like a talent trade), the storyline has the opportunity to be the greatest conspiracy theory ever told or a complete joke depending on their execution. It could be like the Twilight Zone or it could come off as Spiderman 3.

The Skrull are a story of infiltration rather than invasion. It's a story that could be really eerie and go to some dark places.

[FaT_tONle]

That's what I am thinking. The Skrulls will be very human like those 5th Element guys in human bodies (only with a brain), or the MIB aliens in transports and disguises, and they will prep for the invasion. If that is the case, good. But I still say it is too early for a full blown invasion in a sequel. Maybe by part 3. I am also wondering who the actual threats will be, outside of a brainwashed Hulk. Are they just going to brain wash existing heroes and villains? Use them as pawns? It works just as well as HYDRA, but where will the threat in THIS movie come from?

[weezerspider]

What if The Skrulls make a deal with Loki? I don't know, I'm happy with either.

[topdog1]

Unless they go the ultimates route and it turns out some of the Nazi are Skrulls :(

This would not only kill Avengers but might cripple Marvel as a studio. Seriously, if they make anything live action like they did with the animated Ultimate Avengers DVD, then we're all in real trouble. Seeing aliens behind the Nazi threat is the dumbest idea of all-time. Marvel got to be king by basing their characters in reality and shaping reality around them. That's why you base them in New York and not "Metropolis" and why you can't re-write history.

[Pendragon]

I wouldn't mind them laying down some groundwork for a future Skrull invasion but further down the road in maybe Avengers 3. I really want so see more of an earthbound threat that brings them together. Perhaps starting out in a fight against the Hulk but then teaming up with him for a larger threat. There is years of history to draw from why jump in with the most recent storyline right out of the gate.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah that's how I'd do it. If the Skrulls remain much like Mandarin has in the IM movies, it could work. Maybe they initially create political anarchy through surreptitious methods, use HYDRA and Mandarin himself as their own pawns. Speaking of Nazi Skrulls, maybe they want to recreate a master race using human DNA in a hybrid Skrull/Kree/human soup. Then invade in Avengers 3-4. It actually works quite nicely as it gives them a motive in their war.

[Figs]

Wtf? Did he really just say Loki would be a terrible Fanboy decision???

Loki is a Fantastic villan... He is Othello's Iago but a Sorceror/Strategist/Manipulator... loki is a Genuis and would be the perfect villan for the job... one man outwitting some of the strongests hero's in the world.. how does that sound terrible?:huh:

Really?! I can only assume this post was in regards to mine since it was posted right after. I never said **** about Loki being a "terrible fanboy decision" so if you were responding to my post I don't know how you misread it.

[louiebling$]

Really?! I can only assume this post was in regards to mine since it was posted right after. I never said **** about Loki being a "terrible fanboy decision" so if you were responding to my post I don't know how you misread it.
No no no I was replying to thorstone's post... I was posting via mobile and was at work so when I made that post... I hadn't seen yours yet... sorry bout the confusion :oldrazz:

[roach]

This would not only kill Avengers but might cripple Marvel as a studio. Seriously, if they make anything live action like they did with the animated Ultimate Avengers DVD, then we're all in real trouble. Seeing aliens behind the Nazi threat is the dumbest idea of all-time. Marvel got to be king by basing their characters in reality and shaping reality around them. That's why you base them in New York and not "Metropolis" and why you can't re-write history.

http://www.cinematical.com/2009/07/30/sdcc-marvels-kevin-feige-tells-you-just-enough

read the interview...its not WW2...its Marvel's WW2. Putting the Red Skull in the Nazi hierachy is rewritting history
How are aliens going to be less real than Norse thunder gods,Hulks and supersoldiers.

[Shivsguy616]

This would not only kill Avengers but might cripple Marvel as a studio. Seriously, if they make anything live action like they did with the animated Ultimate Avengers DVD, then we're all in real trouble. Seeing aliens behind the Nazi threat is the dumbest idea of all-time. Marvel got to be king by basing their characters in reality and shaping reality around them. That's why you base them in New York and not "Metropolis" and why you can't re-write history.

Didn't Captain America punch Hitler?? Isn't that re-writing history? I agree, though, that they shouldn't.

[roach]

Didn't Captain America punch Hitler?? Isn't that re-writing history? I agree, though, that they shouldn't.

the whole concept of Captain America is rewritting history

[Parker Wayne]

I love that he calls it Marvel's WW2.

I still don't like the idea of aliens behind WWII though. I'm not against it, but I have doubts about it being done well. I think the Red Skull, Hitler, Amin Zola, and whoever else is good enough.

[roach]

I love that he calls it Marvel's WW2.

I still don't like the idea of aliens behind WWII though. I'm not against it, but I have doubts about it being done well. I think the Red Skull, Hitler, Amin Zola, and whoever else is good enough.

well thats what it is.

I dont like aliens being behind WW2 either...we all know it was insane aardvarks that started WW2

[Figs]

No no no I was replying to thorstone's post... I was posting via mobile and was at work so when I made that post... I hadn't seen yours yet... sorry bout the confusion :oldrazz:

No problem. I was just totally surprised since I never said anything about Loki sucking. :woot:

[Parker Wayne]

I'm actually fine with Aliens in the Avengers, but not Captain America at all. I'd rather have the Skrulls first appear in the Avengers.

[marcvader]

I definitely don't want them to be part of the plot in Caps movie but they can be alluded to in Caps movie then the big reveal in Avengers possibly having thousands of sleepers here since the 40's giving them plenty of time to infiltrate and learn about us.

[Son of Coul]

After doing some research it sounds more like they're fortunately going with the Kree/Skrull War story of Avengers than the Ultimates, which is also not completely terrible to draw from. Considering Feige has stated it's "Marvel's WWII" and Quesada said that thing about Captain America tying into The Avengers perfectly, AND the fact that Whedon is rewriting Captain America I think it's safe to say there'll be some Skrulls involved, as much as I'm turned off by the Ultimate universe (though I like that they went w/ Ultimate Fury, because as cool as 616 Fury is, it just doesn't really work given the time period).

Supposedly it'll be more discreet and not a full on invasion, so if they play it more Invasion of the Body Snatchers than Independence Day people can buy into it, methinks. It's not like Indiana Jones where they come out of nowhere, aliens and cosmic beings have been around forever in the Marvel Universe. You gotta introduce that element into the movies sometime. You can't just have the psuedo-science based semi-realistic characters in the MCU. Imagine having just X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-Man and Cap without Thor, Dr. Strange, Skrulls, Loki, Namor, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, etc.

[thorstone]

The problem is you have to get into space ships and it gets kind of Star Wars-ish.

I just don't imagine a great battle in the climax of the film with the Skrulls.

[roach]

right because only Star Wars has space ships....look to have Loki as the villain would be redundant

the Avengers arent called in because of a shadowy organization that shield should be able to handle...the Avengers get called in because the world is going to hell in a handbag and they are the only ones who can stop it.....my only issue is I want it to be a big invasion like V or ID4....would be kool to see Thor bring one of those massive motherships down

[NinjaCarm]

I think the idea of the Skrulls as the villains is a wonderfull idea for a few reasons.

A) It plays very into the concepts of aliens, conspiracies of lizard men (reptilians) running a New World Order that have been heard of, etc.

B) The concept of an alien invasion is universal and it makes it somewhat of a sure sell - given I'm very curious still on how well the general audience will accept upcoming themes like this and especially Thor, although my inner Marvel fan could care less about everyone else and I do want to see all of this.

C) It is reminisicnt of course of the Ultimates, which I love.

I hope this all works out, I hope Chris Evans knocks Captain America out of the park, Thor is done really well, and the Avengers kicks all of our eye balls out out sockets with awesome action and character chemistry.

Too bad we couldn't get Spider-Man into the swing of things, I really hope Sony impresses everyone with the reboot. Here's hoping.

[louiebling$]

right because only Star Wars has space ships....look to have Loki as the villain would be redundant

the Avengers arent called in because of a shadowy organization that shield should be able to handle...the Avengers get called in because the world is going to hell in a handbag and they are the only ones who can stop it.....my only issue is I want it to be a big invasion like V or ID4....would be kool to see Thor bring one of those massive motherships downThisx100

[roach]

yeah thats how I'd do it....alien monther ships raining death and destruction on the earth...cities wiped out...militaries ineffective....suicide appears to be the only answer...rivers run red with blood...Cap gets his gang together and they forge the Avengers and take the fight to the aliens. Cap and Hulk fighting the alien infantry and ground troops while Thor and Iron Man fight in the skies.....Thor summons a massive thunder storm to knock down the NY mothership.
Around the world other superheroes take inspiration from Cap
Captain Britain and his team of british heroes take down the London monther ship, Namor takes one over South America, Black Panther takes down one over Africa.....

[Cyclonus]

Great news if this is true! I was hoping they would use the Skrulls in the Avengers. A threat no one hero can handle, and alien invasion by the Skrulls would be perfect to bring this team together. Don't like the idea of them taking control of the Hulk, they should just have one shapeshift into him and frame him for commiting crime or damage he didn't do, and let it be a mystery of the Avengers trying to find out is Bruce Banner doing this or not. I would love to see huge alien war ships coming to earth. This makes more sense than just having Loki controll the Hulk and the Avengers fight him. For Nick Fury to be putting a team together he and Shield must know something is up or have been tracking alien activity threatning earth. Heck maybe we could even have Super Skrull show up also and fight the Avengers. If the story is written correctly, having Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Captain American and whoever else teaming up to stop a Global threat will be great. Plus the storyline of Hulk being controlled by Loki and fighting the Avengers is getting played out.

[Aztec]

C) It is reminisicnt of course of the Ultimates, which I love.


Getting together to stop the Hulk and fighting a secret Skrull invasion was pretty awesome in The Ultimates. I think it would work well here.

[thorstone]

right because only Star Wars has space ships....look to have Loki as the villain would be redundant

the Avengers arent called in because of a shadowy organization that shield should be able to handle...the Avengers get called in because the world is going to hell in a handbag and they are the only ones who can stop it.....my only issue is I want it to be a big invasion like V or ID4....would be kool to see Thor bring one of those massive motherships down

Okay, it'll be like Indiana Jones rather than Star Wars.
I took a dump on Loki on the first page-- he is a terrible villain.

The last thing I want is an invasion-- the Skrull aren't supposed to be about armies by day; their story is about infiltration.

[roach]

which is why they are infiltrating instead of a big invasion....my only issue with an infiltrating invasion is how do you have the Hulk and Thor fight against aliens who are infiltrating the government....

aliens in Indy4 didnt bother me...theories about alien races helping early man have been a part of stories since a very long time....I dont understand how people can take the mystic side of archeology in the first three movies and then feel that aliens had no place

How is Loki a terrible villain????

[Spider-Vader]

I like the idea of the Skrull/Kree war on-screen but it should wait until Avengers 3.

I think Loki controlling Hulk or even Kang, would be a good start for the series.

[roach]

I like the idea of the Skrull/Kree war on-screen but it should wait until Avengers 3.

I think Loki controlling Hulk or even Kang, would be a good start for the series.

As much as I love to keep things the same as the comics I think it will get real redundant if we get Loki as the villain in Thor then Avengers then maybe Thor 2 and Thor 3.....I like the idea of the Skrulls because its big and if you are putting the Avengers together to face a threat the threat should be big. The Avengers dont fight to save NY or America...they fight to save the world or the universe. The Avengers shouldnt fight a villain that they can defeat solo.
Avengers: Skrull Infiltration
Avengers 2: Ultron or Kang
Avengers 3: Korvac

[marcvader]

It can't be just Loki controling Hulk. That would get boring fast. The movie needs something more substantial and worthy of this ground breaking event.

[lixdexia]

Okay, it'll be like Indiana Jones rather than Star Wars.
I took a dump on Loki on the first page-- he is a terrible villain.

The last thing I want is an invasion-- the Skrull aren't supposed to be about armies by day; their story is about infiltration.why do you even come here?!! you obviously don't like/read comics...or things that are good in any way, what goal is it that you are trying to further?

[Shivsguy616]

the whole concept of Captain America is rewritting history

As is all fiction set in the past and dealing with well documented events... as was the point of my post... :dry:

[LastSunrise1981]

I was thinking what if they introduced The Mandarin for the Avengers villain?

Or maybe even Thanos?

[bored]

This has me thinking they may be adapting "Kree-Skrull War" to be the film's plot, and well, that's ****ing awesome.

[KangConquers]

I was thinking what if they introduced The Mandarin for the Avengers villain?

Or maybe even Thanos?

I don't want solo villains introduced in a team movie.

Thanos would be fine. But no Leader/ Mandarin.

That said, It think we all know that the Skrulls probably will end up the villains...so there's little reason to discuss other villains at this point.

[thorstone]

which is why they are infiltrating instead of a big invasion....my only issue with an infiltrating invasion is how do you have the Hulk and Thor fight against aliens who are infiltrating the government....

aliens in Indy4 didnt bother me...theories about alien races helping early man have been a part of stories since a very long time....I dont understand how people can take the mystic side of archeology in the first three movies and then feel that aliens had no place

How is Loki a terrible villain????

The interesting story behind the Skrull is the conspiracy side of it all-- not so much the explosions and fight sequences; which is why I'm not sure this can work for the Avengers unless the Skrull are just background enemies (like Hammer in Iron Man 2) built up for the sequel.


Indiana Jones 4 was terrible on so many levels beyond the alien aspect, but the issue I had with the aliens was that it wasn't addressed how they fit into the Judean/Christian mythology.

What would have made for a much more interesting story relating to the time we live in; in my opinion, is to address Islamic mythology, perhaps a demon/djinn inside of an object (not necessarily a lamp).

[Rock Sexton]

Aliens are a lazy villain and in film it's hard to find the right fit because everyone has their own idea of what an alien would be. Doesn't seem to be one of those concepts that's easily forced on viewers.

IMO, aliens take this film down a cheesy path.

[sabetoonth]

ok how i would handle this, have the skrulls have "a lot" of screen time by introducing the peolpe they are disguised as and only barely hinting at the exsistence, theyre manipulating certain events, giving both sides information int he guise of members from the other side, that way if things played out right suspisions rise, etc etc etc, all the while a bigger more immenant thread is looming right on the horison, say Kang, Thanos, who ever. perhaps someoen who plays the Hulk as a pawn on the chess board an act or something with the Hulk becoming an avenger for the last two maybe at the end Banner is arrested and tranqed or something leading into TIH2 kinda starting off like Ultimate HulkVsWolverine with the bmob on a ship Banner is trapped on. Skrulls could work if they dont make the grand appearance til say a post credits scene in Avengers 2 or in Avengers 3

[Ash Talon]

Thor is going to change the game of "reality-based" superheroes. Once he comes out, hopefully the attitude that all Marvel heroes have to be realistic goes out the door. After you have dark forces from Asgard trying to invade Earth, anything goes.

Skrulls could work for a couple of reasons. One, Marvel loves to have its heroes fight each other, usually when they first meet. Skrull can manipulate the Avengers into fighting each other, which could be very cool. Two, the Avengers needs to have a threat that's beyond anything solo character movies can do. An alien invasion can provide this. As others have stated, will audiences accept an alien invasion? There have been alien invasions on film before, but we've never seen superheroes interact before on film and certainly not taking on an alien invasion. It could be mindblowing.

Having the Skrulls responsible for Nazis was a terrible idea in the comics. I'm fine with one or two Skrulls working around the Red Skull, unbeknownst to him. Maybe Arnim Zola is actually a Skrull? Or has one in a test tube in the background of his lab? The audience will just think it's one of his experiments. Avengers can touch on it later. SHIELD could have been formed to stop the Skrulls. The reason they're assembling the Avengers is to stop the impending Skrull invasion.


If Skrulls aren't used, I wouldn't mind something like Hydra or AIM as the bad guys. I'd love to see either group on screen. And MODOK would be awesome. Although, AIM would make a natural enemy of Stark. An entire evil organization designed to create technology for nefarious purposes. A total counter to Iron Man. I'd actually prefer them to Mandarin for Iron Man 3.

While I don't mind Loki being an Avengers villain or even being responsible for the Avengers coming together, I don't think he should be the villain behind Thor and then Avengers too. Athough, there is a Cap movie to separate them, so it won't be like 2 Loki films back-to-back.

The only problem with Kang is it's another invasion movie. What's harder to accept? Alien invasion or time invasion? They both provide the same type of conflict. If they do Skrulls in #1, they're not going to do another invasion for #2.

It's too early for Ultron who has to be created as a computer system first. Hopefully, they have an easter egg in the first movie and drop the name Ultron in there.

[sabetoonth]

i actualy started drawing some concept art way back before even Iron Man cae out of what maybe movie Ultron could look like, i even made Ultron an acronym
Ultimate Lifeform Troop Replacement Online Network U.L.T.R.O.N.
i figured like Ultimate Ultron was designed as a kind of police force type thing in Ultimates 2, have movie ultron be the same but the only one ever made sicne after he goes rogue the idea gets scraped. ULTRON 0.0 would be the program, then the robotic body would be ULTRON 1.0, hell i even did a drawing of UTRON in a look as if he had rebuilt himsefl to fight the hulk or thor. and the program would be why he is basically immortal coming back in a new body when mhe gets one

[Venom'sDad]

No doubt, TIH takes place before IM2... looks as if Fury was making a case study of Hulk and possibly Banner a s he has obviously done with Tony. Nick will clear the way for Banner to be a part of the team… he’s already using Tony to control and get the General(Ross) on board.
　
As far as Tony’s role in the Team… he will initially start off as a consultant; but Fury eventually is going to need the Suit. Which I also think is why War Machine will be the first reserve member. Also, Tony got turn down because he is narcissistic… open the door for Cap to lead the team, which Tony obviously not going to like; setting up the two(Steve & Tony) consistently butting heads on tactics & procedures. Dynamics!
　
As for my personal belief, Cap appear to be the first member of the team(hence the name CA:T1stA, as hinted by Fury telling Tony he’s not the only SuperHero. Banner is still wanted and is probably yet to be approached, Tony is still being evaluated, and Thor has yet to appear. Maybe the reason why Jon said the Marvel films are not in chronological order.
　
However, I do think there may be a huge set-up at the end of the film; which makes me think that the IM films is setting up Mandarin and the Ten Rings as the Avengers main adversary… and Coulson is a double agent(not a Skrull). Possible reason why Coulson appear to know what to look for in the New Mexico desert and possibly the reason Thor come to Earth for his redemption and prove himself worthy to the Gods. Mandarin and the Ten Rings is his path to redemption.

[roach]

Fav wants Mandarin for IM3...so I dont see him being the villain for Avengers

[bored]

No doubt, TIH takes place before IM2... looks as if Fury was making a case study of Hulk and possibly Banner a s he has obviously done with Tony. Nick will clear the way for Banner to be a part of the team… he’s already using Tony to control and get the General(Ross) on board.
　
As far as Tony’s role in the Team… he will initially start off as a consultant; but Fury eventually is going to need the Suit. Which I also think is why War Machine will be the first reserve member. Also, Tony got turn down because he is narcissistic… open the door for Cap to lead the team, which Tony obviously not going to like; setting up the two(Steve & Tony) consistently butting heads on tactics & procedures. Dynamics!
　
As for my personal belief, Cap appear to be the first member of the team(hence the name CA:T1stA, as hinted by Fury telling Tony he’s not the only SuperHero. Banner is still wanted and is probably yet to be approached, Tony is still being evaluated, and Thor has yet to appear. Maybe the reason why Jon said the Marvel films are not in chronological order.
　
However, I do think there may be a huge set-up at the end of the film; which makes me think that the IM films is setting up Mandarin and the Ten Rings as the Avengers main adversary… and Coulson is a double agent(not a Skrull). Possible reason why Coulson appear to know what to look for in the New Mexico desert and possibly the reason Thor come to Earth for his redemption and prove himself worthy to the Gods. Mandarin and the Ten Rings is his path to redemption.



You had me up until the Mandarin-as-Avengers-villain thing. If they're doing an Avengers movie, it'll be with a villain and/or story with actual significance to the Avengers. They've taken on Mandarin as a team once or twice at best. Interactions with the Skrulls haven't been frequent, but one of the first major Avengers stories was the Kree-Skrull War (which they are probably doing, from the sound of things). Mandarin needs to be the "IM3" villain before anything else.

[Venom'sDad]

Well I beg to differ, I think it’s common knowledge that none of the heroes villain from their solo project will be the villain in the Avengers. Yet the team is not, right out of the gate, going to take on an alien race, whom has a super powerful warrior in their ranks, that is btw in the mist of a war with another super alien race. That is to big for the initial film to digest; yet alone, a team to face that will undoubtably, have internal strife.
　
The key here is Fury and the ten problematic spots on the map… the coming together if you will, unifying threat that has Fury scrambling to put together the team, against a threat that he sees manifesting itself. There is no sign of an alien presence or threat, in these films. General Ross would be busy preparing to fight an alien presence or threat, instead of chasing Bruce and the super soldier project. How would they even know to prepare for the Skrull, given the Skrull's cloaking capabilities.
　
Fury sees something rising; and although the rings are alien, he does not see an alien presence mahifesting. Mandarin will most likely be the team’s first test before they face an even greater challenge.

[roach]

Well I beg to differ, I think it’s common knowledge that none of the heroes villain from their solo project will be the villain in the Avengers. Yet the team is not right out of the gate, going to take on an alien race, with a super villain, that is in the mist of a war with another super alien race. That is to big for team that will have internal strife.

the makings of a good protaganist is that it seems too much for the hero
　
The key here is Fury and the ten problematic spots on the map… the coming together if you will, unifying threat that has Fury scrambling to put together the team, that he sees manifesting itself. There is no sign of an alien presence or threat in these films. General Ross would be busy preparing to fight an alien presence instead of chasing Bruce and the super soldier project. How would they even know to prepare for the Skrull, given their cloaking capabilities.

1) My understamding is that those spots werent problems but potential members.
2)Why would we have a hint of an alien race thats main ability is to infiltrate and shape shift???　
Fury sees the rise of something; and although the rings are alien, he does not see an alien presence brewing. Mandarin will most likely be the team’s first test before they face an even greater challenge.

Mandarin will be in IM3

[FaT_tONle]

which is why they are infiltrating instead of a big invasion....my only issue with an infiltrating invasion is how do you have the Hulk and Thor fight against aliens who are infiltrating the government....

aliens in Indy4 didnt bother me...theories about alien races helping early man have been a part of stories since a very long time....I dont understand how people can take the mystic side of archeology in the first three movies and then feel that aliens had no place

How is Loki a terrible villain????

Which is why it won't work if it is just a conspiracy... what purpose do Hulk/Thor actually serve other than fighting each other in the beginning?

There was a rumor a while back about setting up HYDRA/AIM in the First Avenger for the Avengers movie (or the SHIELD movie). That's why I think the Skrulls involved with the Nazis isn't a bad fit at all. If the Skrulls are supplying HYDRA with their tech, it at least makes them a force to be reckoned with. I don't really think aliens in human guises will work all that well either. If it's blatantly obvious like Men In Black then it is borderline camp, if they are too human to begin with, why even go aliens in the first place? I wouldn't mind one or two Skrull/human infiltrators, but they need pawns to carry out their work.

[bored]

Well I beg to differ, I think it’s common knowledge that none of the heroes villain from their solo project will be the villain in the Avengers. Yet the team is not, right out of the gate, going to take on an alien race, whom has a super powerful warrior in their ranks, that is btw in the mist of a war with another super alien race. That is to big for the initial film to digest; yet alone, a team to face that will undoubtably, have internal strife.
　
The key here is Fury and the ten problematic spots on the map… the coming together if you will, unifying threat that has Fury scrambling to put together the team, against a threat that he sees manifesting itself. There is no sign of an alien presence or threat, in these films. General Ross would be busy preparing to fight an alien presence or threat, instead of chasing Bruce and the super soldier project. How would they even know to prepare for the Skrull, given the Skrull's cloaking capabilities.
　
Fury sees something rising; and although the rings are alien, he does not see an alien presence mahifesting. Mandarin will most likely be the team’s first test before they face an even greater challenge.


None of what you described means Mandarin will be the Avengers villain. That's just so specific, with something that hasn't really been hinted at outside of the first half of "Iron Man" (and not in conjunction with SHIELD activity or the formation of the Avengers).

The whole idea with bringing the team together is to take on threats no single hero can withstand. A major invasion makes more sense than the Mandarin, who's pretty much always been exclusively an Iron Man villain.

If you do respond, can you give some reason why you specifically believe the Mandarin will be the villain?

[bhayes]

when the aliens finally do reveal themselvs. who will they do so?

i mean they are shape shifters. but once they reveal who they are will we get a aliens world domination plot.

will it be war of the worlds - independence day level of action? or will it be aittle skrimish at the end? if the Hulk, Thor, Cap. America, Nick Fury, Iron & Hulkeye are needed all at once.

the skrulls must be portrayed as a FORCE to be reckoned with.

maybe as an easter egg at the end Loki could show up putting a spell on the hulk?

[Spider-Man '92]

It would certainly be cool to do the Skrulls, but I think it would be a huge missed opportunity to ignore Loki and the Hulk incident.

[Superhero 101]

Whedon said that he is combining stories from the comics right, so I think he will use a little bit of both from the orginal Avengers and The Ultimates. I think the movie will go like this in the beginning we may have Loki cast a spell on Hulk then Fury forms the Avengers to stop Hulk, This would be from The Original Avenger Comics. After That maybe they could have an Alien Invasion Skrulls which would be a substitute for the Chitari. I think that the movie will be based off of that or somewhere around that idea.

[cryptic name]

Whedon said that he is combining stories from the comics right, so I think he will use a little bit of both from the orginal Avengers and The Ultimates. I think the movie will go like this in the beginning we may have Loki cast a spell on Hulk then Fury forms the Avengers to stop Hulk, This would be from The Original Avenger Comics. After That maybe they could have an Alien Invasion Skrulls which would be a substitute for the Chitari. I think that the movie will be based off of that or somewhere around that idea.

the chitari were the skrulls.

[bhayes]

Good. we just need to consider the best movie adaptations of aliens in movies.

there is star trek, the predator films, the aliens movies, and many others.

So i hope they can find a good balance between the classic comics, ultimate versions, and make some necessary changes too, to make it work on screen.

what type of aliens will the skrulls be?



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and since they are shape shifters lets look at shape shifters in movies like the first two x men films and the terminator 2 & 3.

sometimes shape-shifter bad guy characters can be frustrating to watch. So we will see how they potray the skrulls as shapeshifters and aliens.


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So we will see how they portray the skrulls.



an the chitauri in the Animated Avengers films did portray the Skrulls but they weren't called the skrulls.

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and what about the aliens will they reveal. will we see just a glimpse and a little skrimish. what will we get. will we see outer space? will the skrulls already be on earth?

will we see their homeworld and culture?

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i recall kevin feige mentioning that he wanted to take the avengers into outerspace and take the action to Star Wars level. so this all sound exciting.

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[Wynter]

Loki is like the Avengers film's Brainiac-- a terrible idea that only fanboys want.

I always viewed the Skrull as a Fantastic Four villain first and an Avengers villain second.

The Skrull will require a far reaching conspiracy of infiltration-- that is their power. It could be awesome, or it could be a massive fail.

I was thinking they would use an individual character who could fight the Avengers.

Loki fight? What kind of alternate reality would that be? Loki finds others to do fighting for him 99% of the time. He will cast nasty spells from a safe distance, but more often than not he isn't serious in a fight when he's forced to fight. And half the time it's because he doesn't care. He does most mischief for **** and giggles; he's a Luciferian villain.

Loki will very likely be the driving force in the Avengers movie, though he won't do any real heavy lifting because he NEVER does. Think evil team, not one man show. This means either a long list of suckers or a real threat that will play to Loki's Chaotic Neutral alignment (because Loki lives on the fence and will jump over to the other side at any time).

You do realize Loki has successfully cause Ragnarok twice now (and the last time he was so magnificent he got THOR to do it out of pity)? Even when the guy loses he doesn't totally lose (much like Batman). He's incredibly, incredibly formidable, but works hard to seem like a looser and a wimp.

I swear, after people see how good Hiddleston is, we're going to be floating in Loki fanboys. I remember seeing a report that one scene with Loki and Odin had the film crew in tears it was so moving.

[Superhero 101]

Is it possible that Loki creates a Masters of Evil group?
Maybe he brings Obidiah Stane and Red Skull and Abomination and makes a deal with them that if they kill Thor and the Avengers they can have whatever they want.

[Spider-Man '92]

^^ A.) Didn't Obi die?

B.) That would just be a huge cliche that would get no respect.

[Wynter]

Is it possible that Loki creates a Masters of Evil group?

I think he'll be covertly coordinating various characters to accomplish things he needs done. I think they may weave in a lot of villains for cameos and small roles in Avengers, because Loki is the perfect villain for showcasing them. Just look at how many villains Loki has manipulated recently: Mephisto, Doom, Norman Osborn, indirectly everyone on Cabal and to some extent the entire superhero/villain community.

Whether they'll ever meet each other and consider themselves a group is questionable.

[conan69]

Count me a disappointed if its the Skrulls.

They need to be setup and introduced,etc instead of going with Loki, Hulk - who would have already been setup with previous films. It seems like alot to have going on in 1 film...multiple characters who all need time, some onscreen for the first time, introducing the Skrulls (though Im going to guess SHIELD has always known about them), setting up possible sequels,etc

It also seems like theyre missing some opportunities here. Wheres the Hank Pym and Ultron setup? Pym isnt even due to appear in the film.

[Parker Wayne]

Its because of Edgar Wright that Pym isn't in the film.

[Spider-Man '92]

It is a shame that Pym won't be in the film, but I think having one less hero will loosen things up in every way.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

I think the Leader might be the villain. he could pull off the same type of stuff that loki did in the first ish of avengers. They set him up for the hulk sequel but that may not be happening so maybe they will drop him in here. Him and Abomination maybe tim roth says he is sind on for three films and they arnt limited to the hulk

[TikkiEXX]

the one good thing about The Leader as a villain is all the gamma powered monstrosities he makes. that would give the team a pretty good threat to face that might even push the Hulk a bit. i wouldnt mind seeing the Gamma Corps to be honest. a government sponsered team of fake Hulks with various powers could be very interesting.

[Dark Raven]

New evidence that the Skrulls could be the villains for the Avengers:

From Mania.com


The Avengers Traveling to New York

While previous reports indicated director Joss Whedon would be shooting primarily in Los Angeles, it seems the Marvel supergroup could also be heading to the Big Apple, at least in production if not in story. The Long Island Business News (http://libn.com/blog/2010/10/07/the-avengers-landing-on-long-island/) reports is gearing up to begin building sets and shooting “The Avengers” at Grumman Studios in Bethpage. Grumman Studios President Parviz Farahzad said the production is expected to use the facility for months.
“The Avengers is a huge movie,” said Farahzad, who has transformed massive buildings into Long Island’s largest movie studio. “They’re taking all seven stages.”

Set construction is slated to begin next month in the former Grumman buildings that have gone from manufacturing to movies in one of the area’s more innovative rebirths of real estate. This is the second big production to use the 30-acre complex, including a 37,000-square-foot mammoth movie studio with no columns, following Salt, starring Angelina Jolie.
With the high-profile release set to arrive in theaters May 4, 2012, the Marvel adventure will star Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Clark Gregg, Scarlett Johansson, Samuel L. Jackson, Mark Ruffalo and Clark Gregg.

Clark Gregg is listed twice. Looks like he'll be playing both Agent Coulson and someone else - probably a skrull for him to pop up twice in the cast.:oldrazz:

[Wynter]

New evidence that the Skrulls could be the villains for the Avengers:

From Mania.com



Clark Gregg is listed twice. Looks like he'll be playing both Agent Coulson and someone else - probably a skrull for him to pop up twice in the cast.:oldrazz:

Or Loki popping in to manipulate the Avengers, since he is a shape shifter also. Or it's a typo.

[Alientraveller]

I think that's an error, but honestly, I'm not against the Skrulls, and they were in The Ultimates afterall (although thankfully, the movies have gone for 616 characterizations). I wonder if they'll be after Odin's artifacts like the Cosmic Cube, Casket of Ancient Winters or Infinity Gauntlet (http://www.**************.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=20886), thereby making a true trilogy out of Thor, Cap and The Avengers.

[Parker Wayne]

New evidence that the Skrulls could be the villains for the Avengers:

From Mania.com



Clark Gregg is listed twice. Looks like he'll be playing both Agent Coulson and someone else - probably a skrull for him to pop up twice in the cast.:oldrazz:

typo

[FVD]

Meh why the Skrulls???? It should be Hydra!!! Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes has shown that it can be done!

[marcvader]

The Skrulls are a bigger threat therefore the stakes are higher which equals more excitement. Why reuse a villain from another franchise in a new one.

[roach]

The Skrulls are a bigger threat therefore the stakes are higher which equals more excitement. Why reuse a villain from another franchise in a new one.

exactly...why form the Avengers to fight Loki when Thor defeats him in his movie

[TheVileOne]

What about Thanos?

[roach]

would be my pic if i was doing this

[louiebling$]

Thanos could be the best introduction for the Cosmic universe

[tricon7]

I think Ultron would be a great villain, particularly if he's an adamantium-Ultron.

Of course, I'm hoping Thanos will be the bad guy - but that may be hoping for too much. :woot:

[TikkiEXX]

well one other positive about Skrulls. you can kill them to the cows come home and noone would complain. lol. i was actually kinda shocked at all the carnage that was in Secret Invasion. i know Ms. Marvel alone must have killed 20 or 30 Skrulls by her damn self. lol

[Silvermoth]

well one other positive about Skrulls. you can kill them to the cows come home and noone would complain. lol.

...or until they are forced to turn into cows and then hynoptised until an entire town is poisoned by their "milk".

[WildcatNC]

I think it will definately be a new villian. So i'm not even considering Loki, Red Skull, etc.

If its a single villian then I would like to see Thanos or Ultron. I think Dr Doom or Apocalypse could pull off a sufficient masterplan to challenge them as well but I those characters are licensed to other studios. I hope they actually pay homage to the original Hulk story arc by having the other Avengers have to subdue him before he joins. I would be happy with that.

As far as groups go I guess the Skrulls are a good, logical choice. There just aren't many things outside of cosmic powers that could challenge the Avengers. There are even fewer still that would translate well to the big screen.

I dont mind the idea of Skrulls but i'm just not all that confident they will pull it off. It COULD be done, i'm just not sure. Marvel hasn't let me down yet though (when making their own movies).

I still think Thanos-Ultron-Skrulls. I would be happy with any of the three.

[herolee10]

At this point, I"ll take just about anyone else being the MAIN villain for the film instead of it just being consisted of Loki and a brainwashed Hulk.

[gkokujin]

i wonder if this "skrulls" business was cleverly devised to throw everyone off as to who the real villain(s) may be.

i expect people to be posting pictures of Giant Whales with feet destroying New York before the end of 2011...

[JAK®]

i wonder if this "skrulls" business was cleverly devised to throw everyone off as to who the real villain(s) may be.

i expect people to be posting pictures of Giant Whales with feet destroying New York before the end of 2011...
Very obscure reference, there.

[WildcatNC]

I think Ultron would be a great villain, particularly if he's an adamantium-Ultron.

Of course, I'm hoping Thanos will be the bad guy - but that may be hoping for too much. :woot:



Maybe not.

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http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/07/26/marvels-infinity-gauntlet-revealed-at-comic-con-now-what/


There has to be a reason they had it on display at Comic con.

[WildcatNC]

Very obscure reference, there.


I know right :woot:


Could the "invasion" be from Atlantis rather than the Skrulls? I hadn't really thought about it before but there was a blip on the Shield map in Iron Man II in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, an obvious reference to Namor and Atlantis.

It kind of makes sense in a way. Its something to think about.

[Rock Sexton]

Again I say no to the Skrulls ..... boring idea IMO .... alien shape shifters? Bleh.

[marcvader]

Yes to Kree Skrull War for part 3. Ultron for part 2. Hulk, Loki, Enchantress, and Executioner for Avengers. But definitely lay seeds for future installments in Avengers.

[Silvermoth]

Very cool about the Kree/Skrull war. I wonder if something happens in "Thor" that kicks off the war or brings it to Earth?

[Casius--J]

Hmmm a bit early for the skrulls isnt it? I would think that would be something they'd save for a sequel. That is if they are going make sequels

[Ajendo]

Avengers team, Skrulls and Kree kin a 2hour movie?? I dont even know what to think right now.

[chesslover]

Release the Kree Kin!!!!!!!!!

[SuperSAINT]

Here's my take on the whole Skrull / Loki & Hulk stuff...

I've always pointed to the AICN news story where a marvel insider reported news about Thor & Avengers that hadn't been reported anywhere else - It confirmed that Loki/Hulk was going to be the storyline. It was promptly removed from AICN, thus confirming that it was probably true.

The Skrull stuff has been rumoured for a long time - Obviously it was in the Ultimates, and I believe Marvel once said that the Avengers needed to face a 'global threat', so rumours continued....

Check out this interview with 'Loki' himself, conducted after Comic-con.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9bSOSW-lPE

Thor talk starts from 1 min 52 secs & Avengers stuff at 2 min 46 secs.

"I simply don't know which one they've picked.............."

Does this confirm that Marvel didn't know until recently which way they'd go?

[S.A.A.D.]

If the Kree is going to be in this then the Supremor better be in it. And if they are in it then I hope that they got cloaking technology that is referred to as 'aura of negativity',I really like the sound of that.

[LuisTX85]

I never wanted this to be tied to reality; this isn't Nolan Batman, this is the Avengers. It's science fiction/ superhero film.

This sounds to me like it will be a half Ultimates half 616 story. Kree Skrull War plus Ultimates alien invasion. I'm more concerned with the fact that they want this to be a multiple film arc instead of exploring more interesting characters like Kang and Ultron.

I agree 100%!,Although I personally would not mind the Skrulls being in a sequel or so(depending how they are done in the first one).....

I always wanted the Skrulls to be the villains for this movie,And I also wanted the whole thing to be based on half ultimates/half 616!

[Figs]

Again I say no to the Skrulls ..... boring idea IMO .... alien shape shifters? Bleh.

Personally I think it's a lot better than Loki controlling the Hulk, that wouldn't be as epic. Using aliens like the Skrulls makes it a worldwide threat as well as intergalactic.

I never cared for the Loki plot, we already seem him as the villian in Thor, would be a waste to use him as the main villian in the Avengers.

[Obi-Ron]

If they are going to have Hulk in this movie, and Captain America, and now there's Kree/Skrull rumors going around....can we PLEASE get some Rick Jones in this movie!!!!

[Parker Wayne]

Personally I think it's a lot better than Loki controlling the Hulk, that wouldn't be as epic. Using aliens like the Skrulls makes it a worldwide threat as well as intergalactic.

I never cared for the Loki plot, we already seem him as the villian in Thor, would be a waste to use him as the main villian in the Avengers.

I'm still not 100% on the Loki plot either. What's gonna make it different so that Thor can't just go and kick Loki's ass? I think a Loki-as-the-villain story needs more than the Hulk. I want an action scene like Iron Man and War Machine vs. the drones in Iron Man 2, only longer and more epic, and I feel I can get that with Skrulls.

[josh77]

Personally I think it's a lot better than Loki controlling the Hulk, that wouldn't be as epic. Using aliens like the Skrulls makes it a worldwide threat as well as intergalactic.

I never cared for the Loki plot, we already seem him as the villian in Thor, would be a waste to use him as the main villian in the Avengers.

I agree with this statement. I mean didn't Kevin Fiege mention that he wanted to do galactic space epic like a year ago or something?

[josh77]

woops my bad I didn't know how to put the quotes.

[Gabe99]

From Cinematical 07/30/2009:
SDCC: Marvel's Kevin Feige Tells You Just Enough ... (http://www.cinematical.com/2009/07/30/sdcc-marvels-kevin-feige-tells-you-just-enough/)
Hey Kevin -- Skrulls? Avengers? Bad Guys?

We do own the rights to them. [laughs]


From CHUD 07/29/2009:
COMIC CON 09: WILL THE AVENGERS BATTLE THE SKRULLS? (http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20263/1/COMIC-CON-09-WILL-THE-AVENGERS-BATTLE-THE-SKRULLS/Page1.html)

What villain is big enough to warrant the attentions of Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Who will be the bad guy in The Avengers in 2012?

Over the last few months I've been doing some sleuthing (aided by George 'El Guapo' Roush of Latino Review), much of which I can't yet share with you, but it has led me to the conclusion that the foe the Avengers will face will come from beyond this planet, and that they will in fact be the Skrulls.

Except there was one major hiccup: I wasn't sure if Marvel owned the cinematic rights to the Skrulls. The alien race first appeared in the pages of Fantastic Four, and Fox owns the rights to the traditionally Fantastic Four characters. So while interviewing Kevin Feige at Comic Con this past weekend I had to try and get an answer.

'Will the Skrulls be the villain in The Avengers?' I asked.

Feige gave me one of those looks he's good at giving and just said, 'We do own them.'

More digging turned up the fact that Marvel Studios owns the Skrull race, while Fox own the Super Skrull.

The Skrull are a shape changing alien race who have had a hard-on for Earth for quite some time. They would make a pretty great big bad for the film for a number of reasons: first of all, there's a bunch of them, so the film wouldn't have to contain just one or two fight scenes with the main threat, and each of the team members could have their own battles at their own power level. For another, they allow Marvel Studios to do something really cool - what if it's revealed that certain characters from the previous Marvel movies have been Skrulls all along? And Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch proved in the first Ultimates series that the Skrull (called the Chitauri there) make a convincingly cinematic threat.

Of course the other possibility is that The Avengers will battle Hydra. As I mentioned in this story about The Invaders possibly appearing in The First Avenger: Captain America, Feige name-dropped Hydra as being something with which Steve Rogers had to contend. Might the truth be that Steve Rogers would just meet some of the Nazi supervillains who go on to head Hydra? And with The Avengers being a SHIELD group in the movies, it might make sense to make the villain a SHIELD villain. On top of that, like the Skrull, the sheer number of Hydra agents mean the film could contain lots of battles and that each of the Avengers could get something to do during the course of the film.

All of this is sheer speculation, of course, but I think that Feige mentioning that Marvel owns the Skrulls, combined with what I've been able to dig up, points strongly to the bad guy in The Avengers being not a guy but a whole empire.


From AICN:
AVENGERS film to involve New Mexico, New York & Michigan... but will it have Skrulls & Kree? (maybe so) (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47855)


From Collider:
Will THE AVENGERS Battle the Skrulls and the Kree? (http://collider.com/the-avengers-movie-skrulls-kree/66714/#more-66714)
Will the Skrulls Be the Villains of THE AVENGERS? (http://collider.com/avengers-joss-whedon-skrull-kree-villain/27779/)


From The Playlist:
‘The Avengers’ To Intervene In The Kree-Skrull Conflict? (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/the_avengers_to_intervene_in_the_kree-skrull_conflict/)

It’s already confirmed by the Comic Con footage that “Captain America,” which, like “Thor,” leads into “The Avengers,” features the Cosmic Cube, though it is being referred to as the “Tesseract.” And Marvel has teased a possible intergalactic threat before, with Comic Con crowds catching a quick glimpse of a prop that looked suspiciously like popular Marvel plot device the Infinity Gauntlet, a glove that contains the Infinity Gems—each one of which is capable of dramatically reshaping the chemistry of the universe.

There’s no confirmation on where the newspaper found this information, though it does confirm that “Thor” and “Captain America” will feature stories that play heavily into “The Avengers,” suggesting that twisted Nazi Red Skull’s (Hugo Weaving) plans for the Tesseract in World War II could spill over from the latter, and the villainous Loki (Tom Hiddleston) of the former could figure into the “Avengers” narrative as a possible manipulator on a slightly more cosmic level.

What we do know is that major players in “The Avengers” include Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Captain America (Chris Evans), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson), the Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) and Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner). Could there possibly be another big role, that of Captain Mar-Vell? The Kree superhero, and one of Marvel’s more beloved cult characters, was a major player in the Kree-Skrull conflict, suggesting one more costumed hero for the mix in “The Avengers.” Would the company then use the character, also known as Captain Marvel, as another possible spinoff? If they did so, it would certainly be a way to undercut Warner Bros. long-in-development project “Shazam,” also dependent on a hero named Captain Marvel. Sneaky sneaky, Kevin Feige.

[Marvel]

Avengers team, Skrulls and Kree kin a 2hour movie?? I dont even know what to think right now.

My first thoughts involve depression because throwing all this on screen with alien invasion/war crap lowers Avengers to a Transformers level in terms of script and plot. I had MUCH higher hopes for this franchise.

Avengers deserve so much better than a popcorn CGI-fest.

[BizarroAids]

I'm curious to how they will fit the Skrull/Kree invasion into this movie, and to give it the right treatment with the allowed time. Unless it bleeds into the sequel. But I do like the idea of the Avengers facing off against an invasion as their first mission.

I just don't want it to feel rushed.

[WildcatNC]

I would like them to at least make a nod to the Loki/Hulk origin.

I wouldn't mind if the after credit scene in Thor involved Loki setting events in motion that involved Banner/Hulk. That could be the cameo. Not controlling him outright, just setting some machiavellian plot in motion and then bows out grinning. Then in Avengers it would work to have them subdue the Hulk before talking Banner into joining them.

You could tie it together in a neat bow, make a nod to the original origin, and still not have Loki in the Avengers. All with minimal impact or change to the movie.

That would work for me.

[Iron_Stark]

Again I say no to the Skrulls ..... boring idea IMO .... alien shape shifters? Bleh.

It's better and more epic that the regurgitation of a defeated villain we saw(will see) just a year prior controlling a hero.

Yes to Kree Skrull War for part 3. Ultron for part 2. Hulk, Loki, Enchantress, and Executioner for Avengers. But definitely lay seeds for future installments in Avengers.

Who knows how many Avengers movies there will be or who's returning to star in them. RDJ for sure is one and done with the Avengers. Hulk will most likely be gone from the team. Don't know about both Chris' contracts. People don't want to see a group of B and C-list Avengers go up against the Avengers biggest threat and their biggest war, do it right now when they've got the big guns on the team.

Besides, save Enchantress and Executioner for Thor sequels, those are his villains after all.

[Figs]

I'm still not 100% on the Loki plot either. What's gonna make it different so that Thor can't just go and kick Loki's ass? I think a Loki-as-the-villain story needs more than the Hulk. I want an action scene like Iron Man and War Machine vs. the drones in Iron Man 2, only longer and more epic, and I feel I can get that with Skrulls.

Exactly.

If there isn't going to be any battles out in space I want a city battle, something akin to the one in the first Transformers movie, but way better of course.

[bubbadoom]

I am sure we will never see the Space Phantom in any movie, so it makes sense to combine elements from the first few [four?] issues into one movie. I have been happy with both IM movies, TIH was an improvement, and so far THOR is looking good - so I am willing to have a little faith in Mighty Marvel!

[Rock Sexton]

Exactly.

If there isn't going to be any battles out in space I want a city battle, something akin to the one in the first Transformers movie, but way better of course.

You're assuming Thor is going to kick Loki's ass ..... They're tying in all the good guys, why not play to that with the baddies?

To me the Skrulls are boring. I'm not a major comic book fanatic and I never understood the infatuation with "duplicates" .... you know your Beta Ray Billy's or Bucky being Captain America ... or She-Hulk .... that's so boring to me and that's what you're going to get with the Skrulls. Do I really want to see Cap fighting another Cap? Not really.

[Cyclonus]

Personally I think it's a lot better than Loki controlling the Hulk, that wouldn't be as epic. Using aliens like the Skrulls makes it a worldwide threat as well as intergalactic.

I never cared for the Loki plot, we already seem him as the villian in Thor, would be a waste to use him as the main villian in the Avengers.


Thank You, man I couldn't agree with you more man. I want to see a global threat in the Avengers movie and a fresh new plot.

[SuperSAINT]

Story updated...

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/112850-the-avengers-to-battle-the-skrulls-and-kree

UPDATE: SuperheroHype has confirmed that the information published in the Albuquerque Journal was not officially released through Marvel Studios and can instead be attributed to a research error on the part of the newspaper.

While this does not preclude the film from featuring the Kree or the Skrull, there is no hard evidence to date to suggest their inclusion.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Well, couldn't say I'm surprised)

[LuisTX85]

Seems theres still a chance of it being some what true though!,It's not actually debunked as being all false.

[roach]

I dont see how the Skrulls cant be done in a movie. If they fashion it after the best alien invasion movie that came out ID4 then they can do it. Not only did they do aliens attacking destroying much of the world but had plot lines for 5-6 different characters.

[Iron_Stark]

It'll suck if it's not true. Loki and Hulk vs the Avengers?

Boring.

[roach]

Thor:"Look its Loki"
Ironman:"Um didnt you beat him by yourself a couple of months ago?"
Thor:"Yes but this time it requires all of us because he...um...well.."
Fury:"Stop being lazy and fight your own damn villains."

[Figs]

Thank You, man I couldn't agree with you more man. I want to see a global threat in the Avengers movie and a fresh new plot.

It would be a nice change of pace to have a global threat in a comic film. The closest we got to it from what I can remember is in X2, where Magneto uses Jason to try to kill all non-mutants. It didn't have much of an effect on me because it didn't focus on people around the world all that much, so it was played down in a way.

Thor:"Look its Loki"
Ironman:"Um didnt you beat him by yourself a couple of months ago?"
Thor:"Yes but this time it requires all of us because he...um...well.."
Fury:"Stop being lazy and fight your own damn villains."

Pretty much this is why I'm not cool with that idea, unless there is another villian like Ultron thrown in the mix.

[lixdexia]

i still REALLY hope it's loki controling the hulk vs. the avengers. combine the hulk and loki fights from ultimates 1&2 and it'd be beyond fantastic imo

[SuperSAINT]

I think it's safe to say from Ruffalo's villainous chin stroking on that recent MTV interview, that it'll be a Loki / Hulk double-act.

[Moridin]

Thor:"Look its Loki"
Ironman:"Um didnt you beat him by yourself a couple of months ago?"
Thor:"Yes but this time it requires all of us because he...um...well.."
Fury:"Stop being lazy and fight your own damn villains."

Right, 'cause that's the only possible way it could play out.:whatever:

Either way, Loki/Hulk or Alien Invasion, could be better or worse than the other. It's all down to the writing. So just becaues you can't think of a way to make it work doesn't mean there isn't one.


Personally, I don't see them using Skrulls as the main threat. If for no other reason than the budget.

[marcvader]

I think people just want something different and new. Something deserving of the scale that the Avengers movie should be. That's totally understandable to me.

[StanLee Wannabe]

If we go off the premise that "it's a disaster film"...then which is more disastrous?

a) Rampaging Hulk

b) Invading aliens

????

I'd say invading aliens.

The comic die-hard would assume this would mean the whole secret invasion plot...but then you'd have to have a WHOLE cast of characters that the audience knew..that could be impersonated / dopplegangbanged.

they havent established enough to dopplegang. Of course you wouldnt HAVE to dopplegang to have aliens...it could just be a cloverfield style, shaky camera, alien invasion of green meanies.

It makes more sense that, especially with Loki being established in the Thor film, that it would be Loki & Hulk (uhm there's your reason why it's not just Loki vs Thor, btw) vs the Avengers.

has anyone checked imdb to see if the actor for Loki is listed?

[Franklin Richards]

Big surprise. I love the Skrulls.



It would be great if there was a John Carpenter's The Thing feel to this movie. Who's a Skrull? Turning on each other even if they aren't Skrulls. That sort of thing.


It could be a great background story while the other character arcs are advancing.


:cap: :cap: :cap:

[CaptainStacy]

Thing is, aliens are getting almost as played out in Hollywood as vampires and zombies are.

I say keep it "In House" and use the plot from Lee & Kirby's Avengers #1; The team assembles to take on The Hulk, then all unite to face Loki.

'nuff said. :word:

[JAK®]

I want HYDRA as they appear in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

[marcvader]

Thing is, aliens are getting almost as played out in Hollywood as vampires and zombies are.

I say keep it "In House" and use the plot from Lee & Kirby's Avengers #1; The team assembles to take on The Hulk, then all unite to face Loki.

'nuff said. :word:

It's never been done in comicbook movie. That's what it would have going for it.

[roach]

Doing Loki and Hulk because that how they did it in the comics is fine...but none of the movies have followed what the comics did.
Iron Monger is not the first villain Iron Man faced in his debut
Nor was Absorbing Man for Hulk
and Cap didnt fight the Red Skull straight out Project Rebirth

[Franklin Richards]

4 wrongs don't make a right.

See Fantastic 4.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Rock Sexton]

Thing is, aliens are getting almost as played out in Hollywood as vampires and zombies are.

I say keep it "In House" and use the plot from Lee & Kirby's Avengers #1; The team assembles to take on The Hulk, then all unite to face Loki.

'nuff said. :word:

This.

[Iron_Stark]

Doing Loki and Hulk because that how they did it in the comics is fine...but none of the movies have followed what the comics did.
Iron Monger is not the first villain Iron Man faced in his debut
Nor was Absorbing Man for Hulk
and Cap didnt fight the Red Skull straight out Project Rebirth

Agreed.

Plus Loki isn't responsible for the Avengers to join forces, it's Nick Fury. So unless Fury is really Loki in disguise, then this movie isn't following the comics.

Bring on the Skrulls, the Avengers need to fight a world wide threat.

[Obi-Ron]

Personally, if Hulk is going to be a villain I would much rather see him join forces with Namor against the Avengers than Loki.

[tricon7]

I dunno - I rather like the idea of the Hulk fighting alongside the rest of the Avengers instead of against them. However, if he does wind up fighting them, I'll look forward to seeing how characters like Thor do against him.

[roach]

I am against Loki and Hulk being the villains for four reasons...
1) Thor should handle Loki in his movie....How believeable would it be if in the Matrix reloaded Neo calls in Trinity and Morpheus to help him fight Agent Smith....didnt you single handedly beat him in the first film.
2)It brings nothing new to the movie other than the team forming. The Hulk has been in two films already. Loki will be in Thor. If not the Skrulls have the villain be some one we havent seen.
3)If Loki is the villain that means he wasnt sufficiently neutralized in Thor...which means Thor might be a bigger commercial for Avengers than people thought IM2 was.
4) Loki burn out...if Loki is the villain for Thor and Avengers what will happen when he appears again in Thor 2???

[josh77]

I am against Loki and Hulk being the villains for four reasons...
1) Thor should handle Loki in his movie....How believeable would it be if in the Matrix reloaded Neo calls in Trinity and Morpheus to help him fight Agent Smith....didnt you single handedly beat him in the first film.
2)It brings nothing new to the movie other than the team forming. The Hulk has been in two films already. Loki will be in Thor. If not the Skrulls have the villain be some one we havent seen.
3)If Loki is the villain that means he wasnt sufficiently neutralized in Thor...which means Thor might be a bigger commercial for Avengers than people thought IM2 was.
4) Loki burn out...if Loki is the villain for Thor and Avengers what will happen when he appears again in Thor 2???^This

[terry78]

Shouldn't they just save the Skrulls for the new FF flick?

[roach]

Shouldn't they just save the Skrulls for the new FF flick?

i believe the FF are still at Fox...Skrulls are at Marvel

[LuisTX85]

Shouldn't they just save the Skrulls for the new FF flick?

"THE"new movie.....There going with a sequel or also a re-boot??,Any link to news for it?

[WildcatNC]

i believe the FF are still at Fox...Skrulls are at Marvel

Marvel owns the Skrull and Kree. They don't own Super Skrull though, who could be in the new FF. Dont ask me how that happened.

[Iron_Stark]

I am against Loki and Hulk being the villains for four reasons...
1) Thor should handle Loki in his movie....How believeable would it be if in the Matrix reloaded Neo calls in Trinity and Morpheus to help him fight Agent Smith....didnt you single handedly beat him in the first film.
2)It brings nothing new to the movie other than the team forming. The Hulk has been in two films already. Loki will be in Thor. If not the Skrulls have the villain be some one we havent seen.
3)If Loki is the villain that means he wasnt sufficiently neutralized in Thor...which means Thor might be a bigger commercial for Avengers than people thought IM2 was.
4) Loki burn out...if Loki is the villain for Thor and Avengers what will happen when he appears again in Thor 2???

This.

Especially #2.

And apart from villain reguritation, the threat just isn't epic enough for a team and a movie as big as this.

[Silvermoth]

The other good thing about the Skrulls is that they don't require as much developement as other Avengers villians which is important when you need to get across to the audience who the Avengers are and what their relationship is to each other.

Also they make good cannon fodder which is good for showing the effectiveness of the Avengers

[herolee10]

I am against Loki and Hulk being the villains for four reasons...
1) Thor should handle Loki in his movie....How believeable would it be if in the Matrix reloaded Neo calls in Trinity and Morpheus to help him fight Agent Smith....didnt you single handedly beat him in the first film.
2)It brings nothing new to the movie other than the team forming. The Hulk has been in two films already. Loki will be in Thor. If not the Skrulls have the villain be some one we havent seen.
3)If Loki is the villain that means he wasnt sufficiently neutralized in Thor...which means Thor might be a bigger commercial for Avengers than people thought IM2 was.
4) Loki burn out...if Loki is the villain for Thor and Avengers what will happen when he appears again in Thor 2???

ITA...I mean if the Avengers film was given the same amount of ST like Peter Jackson's "King Kong" was, I could warm up to the idea of Loki and a controlled hulk being used as the inciting incident for the Avengers that leads into revealing the actual Main villains later on..but even so...

Loki and Hulk should not be THE MAIN villains for the Avengers imho. This will be the first time that any production company has been able to successfully bring forth a film of this magnitude on screen..and to have the reason for the assembling of the Avengers to be over two used characters would be such a WASTE.

They NEED to encounter a WORLDWIDE threat in order to give credit to the scope of this film's premise.

That and the fact that by all accounts, it appears that Nick Fury has been wanting to gather these individuals together for some time now; WAY BEFORE Loki was even a known threat for humanity.

[roach]

"THE"new movie.....There going with a sequel or also a re-boot??,Any link to news for it?

reboot last i heard

[Iron_Stark]

ITA...I mean if the Avengers film was given the same amount of ST like Peter Jackson's "King Kong" was, I could warm up to the idea of Loki and a controlled hulk being used as the inciting incident for the Avengers that leads into revealing the actual Main villains later on..but even so...

Loki and Hulk should not be THE MAIN villains for the Avengers imho. This will be the first time that any production company has been able to successfully bring forth a film of this magnitude on screen..and to have the reason for the assembling of the Avengers to be over two used characters would be such a WASTE.

They NEED to encounter a WORLDWIDE threat in order to give credit to the scope of this film's premise.

That and the fact that by all accounts, it appears that Nick Fury has been wanting to gather these individuals together for some time now; WAY BEFORE Loki was even a known threat for humanity.

Thank you! That's what I've been saying for the longest time.

People keep saying "wait for the Skrulls, Thanos, Ultron, etc for sequels" Well guess what, most of these stars probably won't be sticking around for parts 2, 3, and beyond. Especially if their own movies are successful and have to be filming their own sequels or in RDJs case, he's one and done with the Avengers, and Hulk will most likely be gone from the team after this one.

Sure would be a huge waste to have the top 4 Avengers just fighting each other and fighting a villain we've already seen.

[lixdexia]

yeah, i know i hated it in the return of the jedi when luke skywalker fought darth vader AGAIN:dry:

[Parker Wayne]

I'm pretty sure that's a totally different situation

[marcvader]

Loki is the Thor franchises main villain. The Avengers is its own unique thing. It's an event film in the cbm genre.

[roach]

yeah, i know i hated it in the return of the jedi when luke skywalker fought darth vader AGAIN:dry:

did Luke defeat Vader in A New Hope...nope
did Luke defeat Vader in ESB...Nope
so why would we be upset when he finally faces him again and wins.

we know that Thor faces off against Loki in Thor..its in the trailer...so unless that fight isnt resolved in the movie (and The haters will come out the woodwork at complain about that) having Loki be the villain again is pretty short sighted

[lixdexia]

Loki is the Thor franchises main villain. The Avengers is its own unique thing. It's an event film in the cbm genre.as far as the movies go that's pretty premature, the first one hasn't even been released yet and there are plenty of thor stories that could be movies that don't have loki as the villain.

we know that Thor faces off against Loki in Thor..its in the trailer...so unless that fight isnt resolved in the movie (and The haters will come out the woodwork at complain about that) having Loki be the villain again is pretty short sightedthere is no way that that fight will end with any sort of finality that would exclude loki from future appearances. having loki be the villain in the avengers would be no more or less short sighted than having the skrulls be the villains, but dismissing him because he'll be in the thor movie is.

and yes, luke defeated vader in a new hope, destroying the death star was a pretty sizable defeat.

[Iron_Stark]

The Star Wars movies are sequels of each other, the Avengers isn't a sequel to Thor.

[roach]

as far as the movies go that's pretty premature, the first one hasn't even been released yet and there are plenty of thor stories that could be movies that don't have loki as the villain.

Just like there are plenty of Avengers stories that could be movies that dont involve Loki...why recycle a villain

there is no way that that fight will end with any sort of finality that would exclude loki from future appearances. having loki be the villain in the avengers would be no more or less short sighted than having the skrulls be the villains, but dismissing him because he'll be in the thor movie is.

and yes, luke defeated vader in a new hope, destroying the death star was a pretty sizable defeat.

I am not saying they should exclude Loki from future sequels. What I am saying is that having Loki in Avengers diminishes Thor, the movie. If Loki is the villain for Avengers then in peoples eyes Thor was just a long form trailer for Avengers.Why form a team to fight a villain that one member of the team defeated months earlier?

[lixdexia]

The Star Wars movies are sequels of each other, the Avengers isn't a sequel to Thor.of course it is! it progresses the hero's story in a chronological manner in a separate movie, that's called a sequel. it's also a sequel for cap, iron man, and the hulk

I am not saying they should exclude Loki from future sequels. What I am saying is that having Loki in Avengers diminishes Thor, the movie. If Loki is the villain for Avengers then in peoples eyes Thor was just a long form trailer for Avengers.Why form a team to fight a villain that one member of the team defeated months earlier?
how does having loki in the avengers make thor any more of a commercial than having thor in the avengers does?

[herolee10]

of course it is! it progresses the hero's story in a chronological manner in a separate movie, that's called a sequel. it's also a sequel for cap, iron man, and the hulk


how does having loki in the avengers make thor any more of a commercial than having thor in the avengers does?

I think it's the situation of having Loki as the MAIN VILLAIN for the Avengers that concerns a lot of fans (from what I've read at least).

I don't think that there's anything wrong per se, with having Loki in the Avengers, but to have him as the sole and main villain, where he's the reason for getting the avengers together would be a mistake imho.

And imho, the Avengers is not a direct sequel to Thor, CA:TFA, IM2, TIH. Same film universe and such, but I wouldnt' consider it as a "direct sequel" as I'm sure those individual films will have sequels of their own that focus on those characters individually.

The avengers is about these diverse group of individuals, who everyone has explained "shouldn't be the in same room" on coming together to fight a common foe.

And if we were to take anything that Nick Fury's character said in the Avengers teaser, then I would think that when he said that a foe would emerge where no "single" superhero could handle alone, it would mean that someone, or something else, that presents a much more larger threat will emerge.

Thor can handle Loki on his own, so I don't see the need for Loki to be used as the catalyst for these guys having to get together.

If Loki is so dangerous where Thor needs the help of his avenger teammates to defeat everytime, then I guess we shouldn't expect any more Thor sequels with Loki as the main villain again since he wouldn't supposedly be able to defeat Loki on his own any more.

[Rain]

Loki would just get stale imo. How about a Marvel character that hasn't been seen on film yet?
Like Kang.

[roach]

Kang
Atlantis
Ultron
Masters of Evil
Skrulls
Kree
Thanos

[herolee10]

Personally, I wish we could see a scene where we had all of the known avengers to be in this film (including the hulk) fighting against an super powered army of some kind.

I mean we've already seen (or will see in the cases of CA and Thor) as to what each of the main 4 avengers can do in a large scale battle of their own:

1. Iron Man against Vanko and his drones
2. Captain America against Hydra Agents/German Soldiers in WWII
3. Thor against Frost Giants
3. Hulk against the General Ross's army

So imagine those four individuals going against one individual foe...

[lixdexia]

kang i could deal with, but i hate time travel
ultron would be my ideal choice, but with no pym there's no point
the masters of evil would either be more recycled villains or new guys that would take time to develop or just be shiny thugs.
thanos is too big a threat for an origin movie, you need to build up to that imo
the atlantians, kree, and skrull are all the same boring invasion story

[WildcatNC]

I still say I would like to see a (seemingly innocuous) Loki scheme initiated in Thor and end up leading to the Avengers having to subdue The Hulk before talking Banner into joining. Give enough info to let the more clever audience members figure it out but never actually come out and say it. This would accomplish a few things:

-Give a nod to the original origin with minimal impact on the story.
-Have an "Ahhh" moment to showcase Loki's machiavellian genius.
-He's still NOT the villain, in any way, in the Avengers.

I wouldn't mind that at all. I don't want Loki as the Avengers villain either but I would like to see a nod to it.

[herolee10]

I still say I would like to see a (seemingly innocuous) Loki scheme initiated in Thor and end up leading to the Avengers having to subdue The Hulk before talking Banner into joining. Give enough info to let the more clever audience members figure it out but never actually come out and say it. This would accomplish a few things:

-Give a nod to the original origin with minimal impact on the story.
-Have an "Ahhh" moment to showcase Loki's machiavellian genius.
-He's still NOT the villain, in any way, in the Avengers.

I wouldn't mind that at all. I don't want Loki as the Avengers villain either but I would like to see a nod to it.


Would it be possible if Loki's actions somehow indirectly leads to the arrival of the skrulls or if he himself forms a union with them?

[roach]

i have this scene in my head where alien space craft are assaulting all the major cities. The Avengers go into battle. Thor and Iron Man dog fight alien ships in the skies while Cap, Hawkeye, Black widow fight the troops on the ground. Fury presses a button and tells Cap he's calling in heavy artillery.
A C130 flies over head as Bruce Banner is escorted to the edge of the ramp.
Bruce:"What the hell? This is stupid?? What am I supposed to do?"
Guard:"Get mad"
The guard shoves him off the plane.
The Hulk lands in front of the Avengers.
Hawkeye:"Um hulk the aliens said you arent strong"
Hulk:"Hulk Smash little green men"

[Iron_Stark]

kang i could deal with, but i hate time travel
ultron would be my ideal choice, but with no pym there's no point
the masters of evil would either be more recycled villains or new guys that would take time to develop or just be shiny thugs.
thanos is too big a threat for an origin movie, you need to build up to that imo
the atlantians, kree, and skrull are all the same boring invasion story

Yet you can deal with them just recycling the Loki over and over again and the same tired story of Hulk getting brainwashed then fighting the the Avengers.

Plus the Avengers were formed to fight foes no one hero single superhero could handle alone. Thor can handle Loki and Hulk alone.

And this really isn't an origin story, the heroes origins will have been told already, this is a "Hey there's a massive threat out there and we need your combined powers to take 'em down" story.

If it is about Loki/Hulk, what's the purpose for the rest of the team? Why even bring in Hawkeye and Blackwidow? At least with an invasion they could take out troops on the ground or infiltrate enemy ships. Which would be more entertaining than just throwing arrows that have no effect on the Hulk or Loki.

[lixdexia]

Yet you can deal with them just recycling the Loki over and over again and the same tired story of Hulk getting brainwashed then fighting the the Avengers. once=/=over and over, and the hulk v. the avengers is no where near as tired as alien invasions.

Plus the Avengers were formed to fight foes no one hero single superhero could handle alone. Thor can handle Loki and Hulk alone. with craig kyle producing? not a chance in hell

And this really isn't an origin story, the heroes origins will have been told already, this is a "Hey there's a massive threat out there and we need your combined powers to take 'em down" story. it's the origin of the team. you can't just throw them all in a room together and have them start smashing stuff, they'd have hired michael bay for that movie, not whedon

If it is about Loki/Hulk, what's the purpose for the rest of the team? Why even bring in Hawkeye and Blackwidow? At least with an invasion they could take out troops on the ground or infiltrate enemy ships. Which would be more entertaining than just throwing arrows that have no effect on the Hulk or Loki.
p.o.v characters. guys in the fight to see the other three wildly more powerful characters and say "wow".
also, loki is never just loki. he's not going to get in a fist fight with anyone, that would be boring. loki would bring an army with him and that would supply them with things to shoot. check out ultimates vol 2 issues 12&13 to get a sense of what i'm talking about.

[herolee10]

Well truth be told, Bryan Singer's first X Men film wasn't an origin story and yet it was the first in the franchise; so if he could successfully deal with that, then I'm sure that they could bring these characters together without having to do a origin story for them becoming a group.

I mean the purposes for these individual films (thor, Iron Man, CA, TIH) is to introduce and establish these characters for the public. Once they're released, the audience will know who they are, so we won't have to dive into their separate backstories in the avengers film, nor will we have to give too much time to establishing them individually.

I think the Avengers film is like what others have said, about them getting together to fight a foe that none of them could do alone.

And yeah, why bring in hawkeye and Black Widow if the main threat was Loki and Hulk alone? There has to be more of a bigger threat than these two.

[Iron_Stark]

once=/=over and over, and the hulk v. the avengers is no where near as tired as alien invasions.

with craig kyle producing? not a chance in hell

it's the origin of the team. you can't just throw them all in a room together and have them start smashing stuff, they'd have hired michael bay for that movie, not whedon


p.o.v characters. guys in the fight to see the other three wildly more powerful characters and say "wow".
also, loki is never just loki. he's not going to get in a fist fight with anyone, that would be boring. loki would bring an army with him and that would supply them with things to shoot. check out ultimates vol 2 issues 12&13 to get a sense of what i'm talking about.

I have no idea who Craig Kyle is.

I know this isn't a Micheal Bay movie, but come on, no need to skimp out on the action and huge fight scenes.

My point was, it's there's no reason to go back and look at people's back story, this isn't Watchmen where they need to spend 15 minutes in flashback scenes explaining who they are and where they came from. They need to show them how they get together and see if they can work together. Then that can free up time to build up a villain.

So you're not ok with an alien invasion or an Atlantis invasion, but Loki's army invading would be fine?

Actually, Loki's invading army would be fine with me. See that's a huge worldwide threat that the Avengers need to be facing.

My preference would be

Kang or Thanos as a single big bad
Masters of Evil
Invading something

If there wasn't a Thor movie coming out with Loki in it, then I wouldn't mind him in the Avengers movie, but him controlling Hulk has been done to death.

[herolee10]

Well all i know is that I want a villain that can bring forth a large group/army that brings upon a worldwide threat for the Avengers to face. And honestly, I don't want to see an film where we see Loki controlling the hulk for the entire duration of the film, only for it to end with Bruce Banner snapping out of it, and helping to stop loki at the climatic battle.

Nothing exciting about that...it'd be a bigger miss than SR was..

[lixdexia]

I have no idea who Craig Kyle is. all you need to know is that he's a producer on this and as such no one will come close to being able to beat the hulk on their own. the hulk will be all but invincible all by himself My point was, it's there's no reason to go back and look at people's back story, this isn't Watchmen where they need to spend 15 minutes in flashback scenes explaining who they are and where they came from. They need to show them how they get together and see if they can work together. Then that can free up time to build up a villain.[quote] you misunderstand what i mean by team origin movie, i don't mean that they need to redo everyone's origin in the movie, i mean that they need to show the team coming together and how they react to and interact with each other. that is the meat of the avengers

[quote]So you're not ok with an alien invasion or an Atlantis invasion, but Loki's army invading would be fine? yes. 20 trolls on the bifrost is much more agreeable to me than hordes of fodder and an armada of spaceships attacking the same 20 cities we've seen armadas of spaceships attack 1000 times before

[herolee10]

yes. 20 trolls on the bifrost is much more agreeable to me than hordes of fodder and an armada of spaceships attacking the same 20 cities we've seen armadas of spaceships attack 1000 times before

yeah, but in none of those films did we see an superhero powered force go up against them in the line of defense for humanity, and also, I think there are some ppl who got that taste of multiple troll carnage and fighting in the LOTR series, not to mention that we'll be getting it again with Thor and his friends against the frost giants in Thor as well.

[lixdexia]

there will be no trolls in thor :csad:

and no, we've not seen a superhuman take on an alien invasion (unless you count superman 2, i don't) the invasions are usually defeated pretty well by colds and teenagers:oldrazz:

[herolee10]

there will be no trolls in thor :csad:

and no, we've not seen a superhuman take on an alien invasion (unless you count superman 2, i don't) the invasions are usually defeated pretty well by colds and teenagers:oldrazz:

lol..well that film aside, I mean; I get that the Hulk isn't your typical hero, but he isn't what I'd call suitable villain material (despite being controlled) for the duration of an entire film.

I'd like to see him/Bruce Banner willingly help the Avengers take down a world wide threat, one where there would have been no way for either of the avengers to have done so on their own.

I still believe that there's something BIGGER in terms of scale that's brewing for the avengers, since if it was the possibility of the Hulk going rogue or Loki, then i think we wouldn't have seen things played out the way they did regarding Tony's appearance in TIH and how Fury has been preparing to assemble this group way before the events of Iron Man.

If anything, we may get a glimpse of that large threat in CA:TFA , like how they did in the animated film.

[tricon7]

If anything, we may get a glimpse of that large threat in CA:TFA , like how they did in the animated film.

It makes me wonder what Marvel will be announcing at the end of the Captain America movie. Would that be too early for an Avengers cameo? There's nothing planned between CA and The Avengers, is there?

[herolee10]

It makes me wonder what Marvel will be announcing at the end of the Captain America movie. Would that be too early for an Avengers cameo? There's nothing planned between CA and The Avengers, is there?


As far as everyone is aware of, CA:TFA is the last film presented (from the marvel cinematic universe) before the Avengers arrive on screen.

We've heard on how one of Odin's devices is a key factor in the Red Skull's plans for world domination, so I'm not sure if that'll play a factor on things.

Though I'm willing to bet that it'll be during the events of CA:TFA where individuals like Howard Stark start to come across things that'll be linked to the other films.

We may see him starting to get ideas about the core reactor that eventually helped create the persona of Iron Man. We may also see him start to ponder across the origins of the Red Skull's device and thus come narrowly across the idea of Asgard.

[Rock Sexton]

yes. 20 trolls on the bifrost is much more agreeable to me than hordes of fodder and an armada of spaceships attacking the same 20 cities we've seen armadas of spaceships attack 1000 times before

I'm kinda with you on this one. I find weak henchmen or a bunch of shape shifting alien invasion as boring.


and no, we've not seen a superhuman take on an alien invasion (unless you count superman 2, i don't) the invasions are usually defeated pretty well by colds and teenagers:oldrazz:

Bwahahahah .... so true ....

[TikkiEXX]

i see what you mean Rock. i dont find the Avengers beating up a bunch of regular old Skrulls all that exciting. but what if they go the superpowered Skrull route like in Secret Invasion? now that i can get excited for. too bad they dont have the rights to Super Skrull. i developed a liking for him during Secret Invasion for some reason. hes alot more badass than id thought.

[Iron_Stark]

there will be no trolls in thor :csad:

and no, we've not seen a superhuman take on an alien invasion (unless you count superman 2, i don't) the invasions are usually defeated pretty well by colds and teenagers:oldrazz:

Well if there aren't trolls in Thor, wouldn't it be better to introduce them in his own movie?

And that's another thing, unless it's Loki teaming up with Red Skull, Leader, Abomination and Mandarin, Loki, trolls and frost giants should stay in Thor movies.

[roach]

anyone catch the trailer for Fallen Skies? Its a tv show on TNT about an alien invasion and humanity becomes guerrilla fighters against the aliens....executive produced by Mr Spielburg himself

Thats how I see the Skrulls attacking

[Venom'sDad]

I don't see that happening given the Avengers will be doing the fight, so I don't see that type of invasion from any Alien group... even with SHEILD as the supporting army behind the Avengers. It won't be that type of film.

[BizarroAids]

I wish they would hold off on the Skrulls for at least one of the sequels. Let them come to Earth and start infiltrating the Avengers, like in Secret Invasion. The whole "Who Do You Trust" concept would be great to see with all of the Avengers.

[Incrediblejeff]

Marvel owns the Skrull and Kree. They don't own Super Skrull though, who could be in the new FF. Dont ask me how that happened.

I find that hard to believe.If true,I could see Fox trying to capitalize on the Skrulls by putting Super Skrull in the next movie.

[roach]

I find that hard to believe.If true,I could see Fox trying to capitalize on the Skrulls by putting Super Skrull in the next movie.

well thats what Feige said and he's the expert

[WildcatNC]

there will be no trolls in thor :csad:


There might be one in Avengers.


Thor: "I will bring this Troll to heel"

Troll: "HULK SMASH"!!

:woot:

[Incrediblejeff]

well thats what Feige said and he's the expert
Alrighty then,I'll go with that for now.

[Iron_Stark]

This latest A:EMH episode just proved or will prove judging from the previews that an invasion storyline will be more entertaining than the tired old Hulk brainwash storyline.

[Spider-Man '92]

I think it's pretty evident that the Hulk plot wouldn't be enough for a whole movie. If anything it could be used as the first task for the Avengers as a unit to establish any of their initial faults or strengths.

[Bren]

I think it's pretty evident that the Hulk plot wouldn't be enough for a whole movie. If anything it could be used as the first task for the Avengers as a unit to establish any of their initial faults or strengths.

Pretty much what I'm hoping for. An indicator to all members how working as a team works.

Hell, have the Hulk even ESCAPE because they sucked as a team (initially). Have him come back later to help save the day when the real threat arrives.

[Grim Goblin]

I really hope they hold back on the Skrull idea. I'd rather have them use Kang, the Masters of Evil, or hell, if you want villains with ties to both Thor, Hulk and Avengers history as a whole, go with the Wrecking Crew!

[TheGreenRanger]

It can't be just Loki controling Hulk. That would get boring fast. The movie needs something more substantial and worthy of this ground breaking event.

Two things Sir:

1.) Thank you for having Captain Marvel as your avatar. He is by far the greatest hero ever in the Marvel Universe. Obviously IMO.

2.) Yes I agree, as RDJ said in the Comi-con assembly, it is going to be the most ambitious film he has ever seen. With that being said, why would marvel have 9 heroes fight 1-2 guys. SERIOUSLY? The Kree-Skrull plot line makes sense because it will be more than earths forces can handle. IT JUST MAKES SENSE!

[TheGreenRanger]

Okay, I am sorry but I have to say this. Yes I am a fanboy too just like a lot of you are. The biggest problem most of you are having, is that you are letting your biased knowledge of the Marvel Universe influence what you think about movie production.

They are going to make a film that packs a punch and produces epic entertainment the best they can. That means action, story, and character integration. I'm sorry but as a screenwriter and filmmaker, Loki as an enemy just does not provide enough resources for a quality film suitable for The Avengers. Especially if it will be a multi-installment production.

[Rock Sexton]

2.) Yes I agree, as RDJ said in the Comi-con assembly, it is going to be the most ambitious film he has ever seen. With that being said, why would marvel have 9 heroes fight 1-2 guys. SERIOUSLY? The Kree-Skrull plot line makes sense because it will be more than earths forces can handle. IT JUST MAKES SENSE!

Budget-wise it doesn't ..... at least not at this point. If the Avengers actually proves profitable I'm sure they'll be more open to expanding the universe and take it to a level that would include intergalactic story lines. Alas, they don't even know if the non-comic fans are going to take to this super hero ensemble correctly. Those only so much you want to throw at the general audience the first time around.

IMO an alien invasion is boring. They need something far more devious and sinister.

[marcvader]

It sure ain't just Loki.

[Rock Sexton]

I think it's pretty evident that the Hulk plot wouldn't be enough for a whole movie. If anything it could be used as the first task for the Avengers as a unit to establish any of their initial faults or strengths.

I could see it from both angles. He makes a spectacular first mission. Yet, Banner's story arc, a meddling Loki(w/other surprises), and the Infinity Gauntlet could make a great film-long struggle. Banner isn't some fodder. There's a lot there to work into the story since he's so often a wildcard.

[Rock Sexton]

It sure ain't just Loki.

I don't get why people are so against seeing Loki again. We haven't even seen Thor yet. Hiddleston may be so good in that role that it would be awesome to see him scheming in The Avengers.

Personally, I'm more inclined to think Hiddleston/Weaving are going to outshine their hero counterparts.

[marcvader]

I think so too but I think this movie is an event film and needs to have some kind of villain or villains to justify it. I don't really want to see a repeat or reuse of villains cause I think it has to be something not seen or done yet imho.

[Rock Sexton]

I think so too but I think this movie is an event film and needs to have some kind of villain or villains to justify it. I don't really want to see a repeat or reuse of villains cause I think it has to be something not seen or done yet imho.

..... but in the case of Loki mind controlling Hulk - we've never "seen" that. At it's core that is quite a formidable combination. Could you imagine the kind of devastation a Loki-controlled Hulk equipped with the Infinity Gauntlet could cause?

[marcvader]

Yes, but not an entire movie of this. I would like to see that but there's got to be more. Someone like Ultron would have been ideal if only it had been set up in a Pym and Wasp movie. But know what? There may be something getting set up that we aren't picking up on yet besides the obvious Loki controlling Hulk storyline.

[J'adore]

Hopefully they have minor villains (but still recognisable) throughout the first half and then the major villain throughout the second half.

[JAK®]

It should be HYDRA going after the Infinity Gauntlet, with Loki helping them, sending the Hulk against The Avengers to distract them.

[BigThor]

..... but in the case of Loki mind controlling Hulk - we've never "seen" that. At it's core that is quite a formidable combination. Could you imagine the kind of devastation a Loki-controlled Hulk equipped with the Infinity Gauntlet could cause?

I wouldn't go that far, I mean I see Hulk being more of an obstacle than an actually "villain". The fight with Hulk probably isn't going to be anything major in terms of plot, most likely it's gonna be a distraction from something bigger.

Alot of people say that Hulk is probably going to use the Infinity Gauntlet, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.

[herolee10]

I agree with the those who don't want to see Hulk and Loki presented as the ONLY villains for the film.

If Loki and Hulk were the only villains then it wouldn't make much sense to bring in Black Widow and Hawkeye since the Hulk should be able to decimate them without much trouble.

Plus, regardless of how GREAT Loki may turn out to be in Thor, I want someone that hasn't been seen before.

[BigThor]

I agree with the those who don't want to see Hulk and Loki presented as the ONLY villains for the film.

If Loki and Hulk were the only villains then it wouldn't make much sense to bring in Black Widow and Hawkeye since the Hulk should be able to decimate them without much trouble.

Plus, regardless of how GREAT Loki may turn out to be in Thor, I want someone that hasn't been seen before.

True, I agree with both statements ;)

[TheGreenRanger]

Here is how I see it. Screenwriters would never take a story that has already been told and put a slight twist on it for the most ambitious Marvel film to date. It would be too large of a d*ck slap to fans across the board. If Thor beats Loki by himself, it sure wont take 7 other heroes to bring down Loki+Hulk.

HULK IS A HERO!

[Rock Sexton]

Here is how I see it. Screenwriters would never take a story that has already been told and put a slight twist on it for the most ambitious Marvel film to date. It would be too large of a d*ck slap to fans across the board. If Thor beats Loki by himself, it sure wont take 7 other heroes to bring down Loki+Hulk.

HULK IS A HERO!

The thing is .... you don't know that he defeats Loki yet. Regardless, if they went that route in the Avengers, it wouldn't be just Loki. We've discussed a billion times the situation with the Hulk.

[roach]

The thing is .... you don't know that he defeats Loki yet. Regardless, if they went that route in the Avengers, it wouldn't be just Loki. We've discussed a billion times the situation with the Hulk.

if Thor doesnt defeat Loki in Thor...people are gonna be pissed

[Rock Sexton]

if Thor doesnt defeat Loki in Thor...people are gonna be pissed

I guess I should clarify .... I meant to the point where it would be impossible for him to be a viable foe in the Avengers. Me personally, I don't expect Thor to whoop his behind. I think Hiddleston is going to be one of the greatest things about the movie so I want them to leave the door open in regards to him.

[Iron_Stark]

People need to watch the the Hulk brainwashed episode in A:EMH and the Kang invasion 3 parter and see which one is better and more epic.

[BigThor]

People need to watch the the Hulk brainwashed episode in A:EMH and the Kang invasion 3 parter and see which one is better and more epic.

Kang's invasion BY FAR, it's not even up for discussion

I really don't want to see an Avengers vs Hulk fight, because for one the Avengers are not THAT weak. I'm tired of seeing Hulk pummel The Avengers when in reality he should be fighting evenly with Thor.

[herolee10]

I think that if we're able to get word as to when and what the circumstances are for how Hulk/Bruce Banner joins the group in the film, then that should be somewhat of a good indication that the a Controlled Hulk and Loki won't be presented as the primary villains of the film.


I can't help but notice that the way Chris had described the film to be large in its scale that it was also somewhat of a very vague indication that Loki and Hulk aren't the real/main threats of this film.

I'm still thinking that Nick Fury is gathering all of these individuals to face off against some kind of an invasion.

And when you really think about the experience that each of the four main members possess, when it comes to having experience on fighting off armies on their own:

1. Iron Man against the Ten Rings
2. Captain America against Hydra
3. Hulk against General Ross's army
4. Thor agains the Frost Giants

..that it would seem more fitting for these individuals to be brought together to fight off one large world scale army that none of them could handle on their own.

I could still see tensions arising between the members, where depending on how much control Banner has over his Hulk persona by the time of this film, that Thor or someone else could do something that ends up in the physical yet epic like altercation between the two.

And considering that I've heard some ppl saying that it's not a SURE thing that RDJ may return as Tony Stark again for the sequel to this film, it'd be best to give the Avengers a large scale multitude of a threat instead of just using Loki and Hulk.

Best to have all of the Avengers together as one group for most of the film.

[Iron_Stark]

Kang's invasion BY FAR, it's not even up for discussion

I really don't want to see an Avengers vs Hulk fight, because for one the Avengers are not THAT weak. I'm tired of seeing Hulk pummel The Avengers when in reality he should be fighting evenly with Thor.

:up: Agreed.

A Hulk vs Avengers fight is fine if only to show them at odds in the beginning and if they show an Iron Man Hulkbuster armor.

But for the second and third acts, I want to see Cap shouting orders, commanding people and making a battle plan because of the destruction up ahead, I want to see Thor and Iron Man in the sky fighting incoming bad guys, I want to see Hulk in the ground tearing bad guys up proving to people he isn't an enemy, I want to see Hawkeye picking badguys off in the distance with his expert marksmanship or him rivaling Cap with his hand to hand skills, and Blackwidow infiltrating a place like she did in IM2.

We won't get any of that if it's Avengers vs Hulk throughout the movie.

The final battle needs to be grand, epic, it needs to rival Avatar and Micheal Bay's stuff. There should be a big reason they got these powerhouses together.

Non of this "well lets wait for the sequel" nonsense. Because guess what, a sequel is never guaranteed.

[BigThor]

:up: Agreed.

A Hulk vs Avengers fight is fine if only to show them at odds in the beginning and if they show an Iron Man Hulkbuster armor.

But for the second and third acts, I want to see Cap shouting orders, commanding people and making a battle plan because of the destruction up ahead, I want to see Thor and Iron Man in the sky fighting incoming bad guys, I want to see Hulk in the ground tearing bad guys up proving to people he isn't an enemy, I want to see Hawkeye picking badguys off in the distance with his expert marksmanship or him rivaling Cap with his hand to hand skills, and Blackwidow infiltrating a place like she did in IM2.

We won't get any of that if it's Avengers vs Hulk throughout the movie.

The final battle needs to be grand, epic, it needs to rival Avatar and Micheal Bay's stuff. There should be a big reason they got these powerhouses together.

Non of this "well lets wait for the sequel" nonsense. Because guess what, a sequel is never guaranteed.

Exactly, did Avatar wait "until the sequel" to be epic (no)

I'd rather Cap & Iron Man battle Hulk until Thor comes, then Thor could engage Hulk while they take a break and find out what's wrong with Hulk. Somewhere between the beginning and the middle of the film of course.

[Rock Sexton]

The final battle needs to be grand, epic, it needs to rival Avatar and Micheal Bay's stuff. There should be a big reason they got these powerhouses together.

Non of this "well lets wait for the sequel" nonsense. Because guess what, a sequel is never guaranteed.

From what I've seen of Marvel, I highly doubt we get a final battle that would make any of those aforementioned movies blush. Those directors went for it, particularly with their budgets. I think Marvel, fiscally speaking, is approaching this movie cautiously.

[marcvader]

But Rock I wouldn't expect this movie to be a standard team fare. I can't imagine this movie being an ordinary X-men type of movie. They really need to go for it as this is an event movie. Each franchise will be bringing its fans in. I really doubt the build up that's been going for several years is going to lead in to an entire film of hero vs. hero or rehashed villains if so I feel that would be totally anticlimactic.

[echostation]

If the movie's finale turns out to be Hulk vs the rest of the Avengers and that's the best they can do then screw this film

I'm all for either Hydra or a massive Skrull type invasion - something where they take out hundreds of bad guys like in the new cartoons - those are so much fun to watch

[Rock Sexton]

But Rock I wouldn't expect this movie to be a standard team fare. I can't imagine this movie being an ordinary X-men type of movie. They really need to go for it as this is an event movie. Each franchise will be bringing its fans in. I really doubt the build up that's been going for several years is going to lead in to an entire film of hero vs. hero or rehashed villains if so I feel that would be totally anticlimactic.

Well you'd hope not. Again, I raise the concerns because Marvel doesn't strike me as the fiscal type to generate something that a Cameron or Bay would. It costs money to take it there. From the fan perspective, this movie has so much freaking potential. Still stands to be seen how the rest of the GA is going to respond to Thor and Captain America, let alone how they'll react to them all being together in a team up.

[Rock Sexton]

If the movie's finale turns out to be Hulk vs the rest of the Avengers and that's the best they can do then screw this film

I'm all for either Hydra or a massive Skrull type invasion - something where they take out hundreds of bad guys like in the new cartoons - those are so much fun to watch

Someone brought this up prior, but I think it would be cool to see Loki linked to Hydra and he uses the Hulk as a way to distract the Avengers so Hyrda can set out to claim the Infinity Gauntlet and the gems. Would be even more fun to have Loki stab them in the back.

[BigThor]

Someone brought this up prior, but I think it would be cool to see Loki linked to Hydra and he uses the Hulk as a way to distract the Avengers so Hyrda can set out to claim the Infinity Gauntlet and the gems. Would be even more fun to have Loki stab them in the back.

True, that would be great :oldrazz:

[Iron_Stark]

From what I've seen of Marvel, I highly doubt we get a final battle that would make any of those aforementioned movies blush. Those directors went for it, particularly with their budgets. I think Marvel, fiscally speaking, is approaching this movie cautiously.

Iron Man 1&2 have been the only Marvel Studio movies to skimp out on the action, I love what Favreau did, but he couldn't do an action scene to save his life. Hulk vs Abomination was pretty big and took up a chunk of the city, they didn't hold back on that. Thor looks like it's going to have some pretty big action sequences, and I've yet to see anything from Cap, but I doubt they'd hold back.

But Rock I wouldn't expect this movie to be a standard team fare. I can't imagine this movie being an ordinary X-men type of movie. They really need to go for it as this is an event movie. Each franchise will be bringing its fans in. I really doubt the build up that's been going for several years is going to lead in to an entire film of hero vs. hero or rehashed villains if so I feel that would be totally anticlimactic.

Exactly, we don't need another Watchmen on our hands. I know, I know that movie wasn't supposed to be a big action blockbuster and that's not what Moore was going for when he wrote the book, but from the trailers, the GA was expecting an action packed team up movie, not a little spurts of action here and there with hero vs "hero" at the end and no big bad at the end

If the movie's finale turns out to be Hulk vs the rest of the Avengers and that's the best they can do then screw this film

I'm all for either Hydra or a massive Skrull type invasion - something where they take out hundreds of bad guys like in the new cartoons - those are so much fun to watch

:up:

And then lets get real here, Thor's pretty much just being the only one doing the damage. Hawkeyes arrows and Caps shield will just bounces off the Hulk and IM's repulsors probably will do next to nothing? Same with Loki, what are arrows, a shield and repulsor blasts going to do to him?

At this point I wouldn't care if it's Skrulls, Hydra, or Kang, just as long as they bring an army with them that the rest of the team will have something to do.

Then the other thing, we're going to see Hulk twice, maybe three times if we're lucky, what's Banner going to be doing the rest of the movie? Being Loki's prisoner for 2/3s of the film? So no interaction with the other members until the very end? :down

[Iron_Stark]

Someone brought this up prior, but I think it would be cool to see Loki linked to Hydra and he uses the Hulk as a way to distract the Avengers so Hyrda can set out to claim the Infinity Gauntlet and the gems. Would be even more fun to have Loki stab them in the back.

:up:

Now we're talking, Loki sends Hulk on a rampage during Odin's sleep, distracting Thor so he can go in the chamber and steal the IG. Makes a deal with Hydra and invades New York.

Huge battle ensues.

End credits, Thanos gets wind that the Gauntlet is in Earth and wants it back

[herolee10]

IA with pretty much everything that everyone has said basically.

I mean while it'd be a interesting thing to see somewhat with the Avengers trying to go toe to toe with the Hulk, there's no way in hell imho that the conflict between the Avengers and Hulk could sustain the duration of the entire film

The hulk was presented as a hero figure in TIH, and while it may not have been the most successful film for the marvel cinematic universe films, it still established on who he is.

What would be the point of showing him as a puppet for Loki at this point? I mean yeah sure, they'd be menacing, but then there's the fact that most of the members on the current Avengers team wouldn't be able to hold their own at all against them at the time being.

There has to be something MUCH MORE bigger going on than either character can comprehend; something SO BIG, that Fury would risk putting these egos in the same room and expect them to work as a unit since I'm sure that he's well aware by the time the Avengers come on what kind of a personality each member has.

[BigThor]

Iron Man 1&2 have been the only Marvel Studio movies to skimp out on the action, I love what Favreau did, but he couldn't do an action scene to save his life. Hulk vs Abomination was pretty big and took up a chunk of the city, they didn't hold back on that. Thor looks like it's going to have some pretty big action sequences, and I've yet to see anything from Cap, but I doubt they'd hold back.



Exactly, we don't need another Watchmen on our hands. I know, I know that movie wasn't supposed to be a big action blockbuster and that's not what Moore was going for when he wrote the book, but from the trailers, the GA was expecting an action packed team up movie, not a little spurts of action here and there with hero vs "hero" at the end and no big bad at the end



:up:

And then lets get real here, Thor's pretty much just being the only one doing the damage. Hawkeyes arrows and Caps shield will just bounces off the Hulk and IM's repulsors probably will do next to nothing? Same with Loki, what are arrows, a shield and repulsor blasts going to do to him?

At this point I wouldn't care if it's Skrulls, Hydra, or Kang, just as long as they bring an army with them that the rest of the team will have something to do.

That's why I would rather see Thor himself step in and take over the battle with the Hulk while the others work on finding out what's causing Hulk to act strange.

True, there has to be a huge army for the Avengers to battle no matter if it's Hydra, Kang, or the Skrulls. That would be large scale enough for the entire team to battle.

[terry78]

Watching TIH on FX right now. They just had the scene at the university, and honestly, seeing it via DVD/Blu-Ray quality, the CG Hulk doesn't look that bad in this section, mostly during the helicopter scene and the scene with Betty.

[Rock Sexton]

Watching TIH on FX right now. They just had the scene at the university, and honestly, seeing it via DVD/Blu-Ray quality, the CG Hulk doesn't look that bad in this section, mostly during the helicopter scene and the scene with Betty.

Ahhhh still my favorite Marvel film.

[echostation]

Cloud Galactus anyone? that way they could all fight Clouds and make it more about the environment. Having an environment friendly Avengers would be the best way to do this.. Let them protect nature.

[Rock Sexton]

BTW, we know that the Infinity Gauntlet was seen at Comic Con. We also know that the blue gem is what grants someone the ability to tap into every mind in the universe and control thoughts/dreams. Seems likely that this will indeed turn up in The Avengers right?

I'm curious to see who would be able to wear the actual glove. The thing is huge.

[Endeavor]

cloud galactus anyone? That way they could all fight clouds and make it more about the environment. Having an environment friendly avengers would be the best way to do this.. Let them protect nature.

lol

[BigThor]

From what I've seen of Marvel, I highly doubt we get a final battle that would make any of those aforementioned movies blush. Those directors went for it, particularly with their budgets. I think Marvel, fiscally speaking, is approaching this movie cautiously.

True, but I hope that was just "Favreau" and not an indication to Thor & Cap's final battles. I hope Ken & Joe's fight scenes are more creative and flashy than Iron Man 1 & 2's.

[JAK®]

I think the final product for The Incredible Hulk was toned down from what was planned in the original script.

[BigThor]

I think the final product for The Incredible Hulk was toned down from what was planned in the original script.

I think so too, because I remember them talking about a HUGE 30 minute long fight scene at the end of the movie.

That's probably why I wasn't that impressed with TIH's final fight scene, though it was still pretty cool.

[HUMANIMAL]

half an hour fight scene??? and then people claim the movie had not enough story or character development, unless the movie is almost three hours long....:wow:

[Parker Wayne]

TIH's fight scene was one of the best fight scenes in all of Marvel's films, including Fox, Sony, and Universal (not the best though. the best one is obvious:spidey::otto:)

[BigThor]

True, but that's what they said "there's going to be a huge 30 minute fight scene at the end of TIH." I think it Louis Letterier (whoever you spell his name) who said it during an interview about TIH.

I agree ParkerWayne, it still manage to get into the top 5 fight scenes of any Marvel related film. Yeah, Spidey vs. Dock was the best Marvel fight scene to date, maybe even the best comic book movie fight scene of all time (Kanye West voice).

[Iron_Stark]

Yep, I remember that interview when Louis said he wanted Hulk and Abomination to get some helicopters and use them as chainsaws on each other.

That would've been some epic stuff, but what we got was still great.

Oh how I wish the next Iron Man director gives us some jaw dropping action scenes.

[marcvader]

Truth be told action sequences aren't Favreau's forte.

[terry78]

Truth be told action sequences aren't Favreau's forte.

It never is with most of the fanboy faves regarding directors.

[BigThor]

Yep, I remember that interview when Louis said he wanted Hulk and Abomination to get some helicopters and use them as chainsaws on each other.

That would've been some epic stuff, but what we got was still great.

Oh how I wish the next Iron Man director gives us some jaw dropping action scenes.

Yeah, I expected Iron Man 2 to have "Revenge of The Fallen" level of fight scenes. Sadly I was let down, but IM 2 was pretty good movie overall much better than ROTF.

I sure hope Iron Man 3 makes up for IM1 & IM2 in the action/fight scenes department.

[Gunga Diner]

Do we know if the Skrulls will be the ONLY villains? That seems unlikely to me. Whedon's villains are, nine times out of ten, sympathetic. He spends time getting inside the heads of the villains. His approach is based on the idea that the villain represents a bigger threat to the audience if their motivation is to some degree understandable.

In Serenity you had the reavers, who were insane and lacked any kind of real motivation, but you also had The Operative who believed strongly in what he did, and thought that his mission was to make the world a better place. The Skrulls don't sound like they would fit into that equation as the main villain, maybe they'll be part of a bigger threat. Maybe Loki enlists them to attack earth?

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah, I expected Iron Man 2 to have "Revenge of The Fallen" level of fight scenes. Sadly I was let down, but IM 2 was pretty good movie overall much better than ROTF.

I sure hope Iron Man 3 makes up for IM1 & IM2 in the action/fight scenes department.

Yeah, I was hoping they'd up the ante as far as action went. Two scenes in particular should've been action scenes, the beginning where IM jumps off the plane, instead of him dodging fire works, he should've been dodging SAMs and entered a war zone, then at the party, instead of a playfight with Rhodey, it should've been an actual fight with Whiplash. And of course at the end, the IM vs Whiplash fight should've rivaled Spidey/Doc Ock, Hulk/Abomination.

But oh well, it is what it is, I'm not going to bad mouth Favreau or anything, the directing and everything else was great.

I too am hoping Avengers and IM3 make up for the action.

[Rock Sexton]

Do we know if the Skrulls will be the ONLY villains? That seems unlikely to me. Whedon's villains are, nine times out of ten, sympathetic. He spends time getting inside the heads of the villains. His approach is based on the idea that the villain represents a bigger threat to the audience if their motivation is to some degree understandable.

In Serenity you had the reavers, who were insane and lacked any kind of real motivation, but you also had The Operative who believed strongly in what he did, and thought that his mission was to make the world a better place. The Skrulls don't sound like they would fit into that equation as the main villain, maybe they'll be part of a bigger threat. Maybe Loki enlists them to attack earth?

Doubt you're going to get that in this movie. He'd have to create new villains out of thin air for that.

Regardless, I saw a blurb from the Thor script that was released on the net and there's a certain comment from Coulson to Thor that I do believe eludes to what the main threat will be in The Avengers.

[roach]

Doubt you're going to get that in this movie. He'd have to create new villains out of thin air for that.

Regardless, I saw a blurb from the Thor script that was released on the net and there's a certain comment from Coulson to Thor that I do believe eludes to what the main threat will be in The Avengers.

do tell