Avengers Costume Redesigns (Particularly Captain America)

[Atomicchuck3k]

This will be the new Ironman suit for the Avengers:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/b8myshlong/Heroes/star_wars_r2_d2_in_iron_man_armor_mk_x.jpg

[Mako]

That is just awesome !

[MahvelBaby!]

cas from Cap boards made this great piece of art with Cap in Ultimates suit:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8434/20110509233235.png

I would be incredibly happy with something like that.

[Atomicchuck3k]

This is Mark Ruffalo testing the new Hulk look:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/b8myshlong/Heroes/MarkHulk.jpg

[Atomicchuck3k]

Actually if IM has to fight the Hulk I hope to see this armor:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/b8myshlong/Heroes/1_hulkbuster.jpg

[MahvelBaby!]

^That would be sick O_O

[Endeavor]

The very interesting bit about you hating the aforesaid wings is that, accordingly, you've hated more than 90% of Caps' depiction in comic book stories. :huh:

That's something to take into consideration as one evaluates what you say about the wings.

I can enjoy/like a character without having to agree with everything about it. That part of his costume I find silly.
It's just my personal taste.

[BoredGuy]

How would tony starks body actually fit in that suit tho?

would his legs be all tucked up and arms at his sides??

[Endeavor]

How would tony starks body actually fit in that suit tho?

would his legs be all tucked up and arms at his sides??

I think it would be similar to how they did Iron Monger in IM1.

[captainrogers]

How would tony starks body actually fit in that suit tho?

would his legs be all tucked up and arms at his sides??

It would have to be about the same as the way Jeff Bridges fit into the Iron Monger. 'cause it basically looks like the Monger, only with Ironman head and color scheme.

[BoredGuy]

yeah but thats my point, monger was bigger, it was possible for Jeff Bridges to fit in, mech-style

that suit seems too small to ride in like that

its not really a problem, im just nitpickin

[GhostPoet]

No dorky helmet!

He should have the scales/chain mail on the costume since Thor's costume had a similar deco on his sleeves. Basically the same thing for Cap.

Why? He's not in the freaking dark ages. Chain mail is stupid. Stark could make better stuff in his sleep.

[TheVileOne]

Because it's iconic. Just like the wings.

Why didn't Tony Stark wear the gaudy and grey armor from Ultimate comics in the movies?

[MahvelBaby!]

^Because everyone would throw up in theaters :D

[Crimson King]

Because it's iconic. Just like the wings.

Why didn't Tony Stark wear the gaudy and grey armor from Ultimate comics in the movies?

Because they thought the armor should be similar to to the 616 run. If they'd felt the Ultimates armor was better, they would've gone with it. It's the preference of the filmmakers to decide what works best with the intended audience of the movie as well as the story itself.

And really, who's to say what aspect of a costume is "iconic" and therefore untouchable in the design? It's crazy to think that a character's look should remain static forever. People place too much emphasis on such small things when it's really the character that matters, not what they wear.

[jab1118]

yeah but thats my point, monger was bigger, it was possible for Jeff Bridges to fit in, mech-style

that suit seems too small to ride in like that

its not really a problem, im just nitpickin

Funny that this conversation started cause I was watching Ironman on fx sunday wondering how Iron monger is bring controlled no way his limbs fit into the arm and legs like ironman. And he would have been very squished otherwise. I think they purposely don't show you cause they would prefer you not think about it. And if he is using controls that would take some serious getting used to and would put him ast major disadvantage in a fight against ironman. He would get crushed pretty easily. But that's extremely nit picky and why I think they really don't want you thinking about how it works

[MahvelBaby!]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nlyTcxWNEns/TGtmNFWbKxI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/luVHcLKK5Pk/s1600/Hulk_Buster_Iron_Man.jpg

How bout the Juggernaut look? lol

[Mercurius]

I get that you're a strict traditionalist when it comes to costumes, but you're ignoring the fact that his original design came during a time when there were no limits to the cheese factor for superhero costumes. Everything was fair game because they weren't taken seriously. Times have changed and the design needs to change with it.

Notice that I didn't say his character had to change. The costume has very little to do with that, so what's keeping it from changing? Besides losing the wings, I think he needs a color change too. If you're going to have a character wear something that's supposed to personify the American flag, why not use the actual colors of the flag? He could wear a darker blue, red and white instead of the bright blue he had in the 40s (which I think was done because of a restriction with printing inks at the time).

Perhaps your "traditionalist" word can be applied to me. But "strict" is not the case.

His original design doesn't simply appeared and then disappeared because everybody was embarassed to look at it, we are talking about one of the most iconic costumes in comicbookdom.

That's a HUGE difference.

Now, you may not like it, and you may prefer Johnston's brilliant idea of putting a painted bidet on his head: that's all fine.

Making a great, faithful costume is where the challenge is, and where a memorable depiction is. The rest will be: "alright, it doesn't really look like him, but they could write the character decently".

It will always be a "yes but" kinda thing.

PS: the darker colours don't bother me, and there you hit a good idea, as long as they do not understand "dark red" as "brown", like they did for this movie.

[Spider-Vader]

Juggernaut look is the way to go for Hulkbuster. The picture earlier above, while it looks cool, just looks like Tony cut a whole in Iron Monger's armor large enough for his own armor.

[WarBlade]

Funny that this conversation started cause I was watching Ironman on fx sunday wondering how Iron monger is bring controlled no way his limbs fit into the arm and legs like ironman. And he would have been very squished otherwise. I think they purposely don't show you cause they would prefer you not think about it. And if he is using controls that would take some serious getting used to and would put him ast major disadvantage in a fight against ironman. He would get crushed pretty easily. But that's extremely nit picky and why I think they really don't want you thinking about how it works

There's a photo of Loyd Catlett (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0146178/resumephotos?v=me709822702) reclining in the full practical suit that gives a strong indication that the occupant is just tucked into the torso. I imagine controlling it would be similar to the control setup for the AMP suits in Avatar.

[Crimson King]

Perhaps your "traditionalist" word can be applied to me. But "strict" is not the case.

His original design doesn't simply appeared and then disappeared because everybody was embarassed to look at it, we are talking about one of the most iconic costumes in comicbookdom.

That's a HUGE difference.

Now, you may not like it, and you may prefer Johnston's brilliant idea of putting a painted bidet on his head: that's all fine.

Making a great, faithful costume is where the challenge is, and where a memorable depiction is. The rest will be: "alright, it doesn't really look like him, but they could write the character decently".

It will always be a "yes but" kinda thing.

PS: the darker colours don't bother me, and there you hit a good idea, as long as they do not understand "dark red" as "brown", like they did for this movie.

As long as we're belittling design choices, I take it you'll be crying foul to any little change in your precious light blue, red, and white gimp/pirate outfit? :cwink:

Look, I get that people are attached to a certain costume. The reality is that the design worked when it was originally created. It simply doesn't work in the modern era. That doesn't mean you throw the whole thing out and start over. You can still make him look similar without being a slave to 40's design and propaganda.

[Lots o lafs]

Why? He's not in the freaking dark ages. Chain mail is stupid. Stark could make better stuff in his sleep.

Look up dragon skin, it's the best armor In the world, oh yeah and it's scales, materials are only so manipulative.

What are ways for iron man to make better body armor that's not metal, oh yeah harness spider web by making a life size spindle that has all the same working parts, sounds dumb right.

[Kokomo29]

Do you guys think they'll redesign/alter Thor's costume? Also, do you think he'll wear his helmet more??

[Adamantium Man]

Look up dragon skin, it's the best armor In the world, oh yeah and it's scales, materials are only so manipulative.

What are ways for iron man to make better body armor that's not metal, oh yeah harness spider web by making a life size spindle that has all the same working parts, sounds dumb right.

Nano nano! :woot:

Just technobabble something along the lines of "high tensile carbomer nano fibers", and you're golden.

[Mercurius]

As long as we're belittling design choices, I take it you'll be crying foul to any little change in your precious light blue, red, and white gimp/pirate outfit? :cwink:

Look, I get that people are attached to a certain costume. The reality is that the design worked when it was originally created. It simply doesn't work in the modern era. That doesn't mean you throw the whole thing out and start over. You can still make him look similar without being a slave to 40's design and propaganda.

I never asked for the pirate boots, the solution for the boots in the movie seems really good to me (I'm not strict :cwink:), but you need to read my previous post with a tad more care: I said your idea for darker colours is a good one.

And, as I also said before, it isn't a question of "getting attached": you seem not to understand the mechanism implied in an iconic design.

And Captain America's outline is rather bland without the signature look of the wings on his temples. That's a truly defining part of his iconic image.

Superman, if you think without considering the icon, has one of the most stupid costumes ever. But it's an icon, we have to distance ourselves from all it represents to be able to start criticising it, so powerful the icon is.

And once you got the right actor (Reeves) into that jumpsuit, everything connected: you have a faithful design of an iconic suit and the actor that embodies the character.

No wonder the movie is a classic.

Once you underestimate the iconic costume you have a watered down version that works, at best, on a "yes, but" level.

[JAK®]

As long as we're belittling design choices, I take it you'll be crying foul to any little change in your precious light blue, red, and white gimp/pirate outfit? :cwink:So you didn't read a word he said.

Here's the facts people: when you adapt a drawing into real life, you have plenty of room for interpretation while still staying true to the original design. Most of the time, you don't have to change anything.

Because the drawings do not have real life texture, they do not have real life lighting and they do not have defined materials.

This is not an argument for changing costumes for live action, as most people seem to believe, but an argument for keeping them the same.

See Sam Raimi's Spider-Man costume, which had darker reds and blues, a hexagonal pattern printed on the material and raised webbing. It's still a faithful costume. It's not changed by these details. It's just turning a 2D costume into a 3D one.

So really, if you say that a costume can't work in live action, you're being incredibly close minded. Because obviously all you can imagine is a cheap halloween spandex costume.

[Mercurius]

What JAK said above.

[Parker Wayne]

So you didn't read a word he said.

Here's the facts people: when you adapt a drawing into real life, you have plenty of room for interpretation while still staying true to the original design. Most of the time, you don't have to change anything.

Because the drawings do not have real life texture, they do not have real life lighting and they do not have defined materials.

This is not an argument for changing costumes for live action, as most people seem to believe, but an argument for keeping them the same.

See Sam Raimi's Spider-Man costume, which had darker reds and blues, a hexagonal pattern printed on the material and raised webbing. It's still a faithful costume. It's not changed by these details. It's just turning a 2D costume into a 3D one.

So really, if you say that a costume can't work in live action, you're being incredibly close minded. Because obviously all you can imagine is a cheap halloween spandex costume.

You're right, and I believe that's why a version of the Ultimate costume is the way to go. It can an translated much more easily to the movies while keeping that Captain America feel.

[Saint]

cas from Cap boards made this great piece of art with Cap in Ultimates suit:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8434/20110509233235.png


Wow, that is solid.

[WarBlade]

So really, if you say that a costume can't work in live action, you're being incredibly close minded.
Or making a logical deduction about something that just doesn't translate off the page until it has been significantly updated. :whatever:

[Crimson King]

So you didn't read a word he said.

I read what he wrote very carefully, actually. He had me until he resorted to name-calling on the current design.

My point is that fans get too attached to small things, as I said in my reply to TheVileOne, and start labeling things as iconic, never to be touched or altered. That's a recipe for failure and I guarantee you that part of the reason Captain America never had cinematic success up until now is that his character is seen as one that can't outgrow his inherent cheese factor without a costume redesign.

[Rock Sexton]

I read what he wrote very carefully, actually. He had me until he resorted to name-calling on the current design.

My point is that fans get too attached to small things, as I said in my reply to TheVileOne, and start labeling things as iconic, never to be touched or altered. That's a recipe for failure and I guarantee you that part of the reason Captain America never had cinematic success up until now is that his character is seen as one that can't outgrow his inherent cheese factor without a costume redesign.

What good faith cinematic offering has he had up until this point? C'mon man.

[Crimson King]

What good faith cinematic offering has he had up until this point? C'mon man.

That my point. He hasn't, and I think the look of the character is partly to blame.

[Mercurius]

That my point. He hasn't, and I think the look of the character is partly to blame.

Of course not. What is to blame is the crappy productions, obviously.

Once you have money enough and a great creative team (as in Raimi's Spider Man) no look will be a problem.




PS: name calling? what name calling? the bidet remark was merely a joke. Name calling is to resort to personal offence, and I never do that. Relax, kingmatte. :cwink:

[JAK®]

Or making a logical deduction about something that just doesn't translate off the page until it has been significantly updated. :whatever:No, that's not it.

I read what he wrote very carefully, actually. He had me until he resorted to name-calling on the current design.No you didn't, because you missed the part where he gave examples of what should change, then you accused him of being resistant to change. Just because he called you a name doesn't mean the rest of his points don't exist. Take it up with a mod if you're so offended.

My point is that fans get too attached to small things, as I said in my reply to TheVileOne, and start labeling things as iconic, never to be touched or altered.Whether you are too attached to something or not is subjective. I'd say that a design that utilises the American flag and has lasted since World War II (nearly as long as Superman) is iconic. That's a recipe for failure and I guarantee you that part of the reason Captain America never had cinematic success up until now is that his character is seen as one that can't outgrow his inherent cheese factor without a costume redesign.You can guarantee it? Then do so. Show me your proof.

No, you can't guarantee it. Never had cinematic success until now? That remains to be seen, the film isn't out yet. And even if it does, it will do so despite having a faithful Captain America costume.

Yes, that's right. I consider this costume to be faithful. It could be closer to the source material, yes. But a lot of the design choices used are ones that I would use to adapt the comic costume to film.

I noticed your Superman avatar. What is your stance on changing that costume for film?

[Atomicchuck3k]

How would tony starks body actually fit in that suit tho?

would his legs be all tucked up and arms at his sides??

Yes...yes they would.

[Atomicchuck3k]

Juggernaut look is the way to go for Hulkbuster. The picture earlier above, while it looks cool, just looks like Tony cut a whole in Iron Monger's armor large enough for his own armor.

Agree, but to save money the studio may just decide to paint the Iron Monger suit red and yellow.

[Superhero 101]

i think that we should see the Hulkbuster Juggernaut style suit instead of the Iron Monger

[Nathan]

If it's in, I hope it looks like this.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2497/26004ironmanhulkbusters.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/26004ironmanhulkbusters.jpg/)

[Crimson King]

No you didn't, because you missed the part where he gave examples of what should change, then you accused him of being resistant to change. Just because he called you a name doesn't mean the rest of his points don't exist. Take it up with a mod if you're so offended.

Whether you are too attached to something or not is subjective. I'd say that a design that utilises the American flag and has lasted since World War II (nearly as long as Superman) is iconic. You can guarantee it? Then do so. Show me your proof.

No, you can't guarantee it. Never had cinematic success until now? That remains to be seen, the film isn't out yet. And even if it does, it will do so despite having a faithful Captain America costume.

Yes, that's right. I consider this costume to be faithful. It could be closer to the source material, yes. But a lot of the design choices used are ones that I would use to adapt the comic costume to film.

I noticed your Superman avatar. What is your stance on changing that costume for film?

Jak, I think you're the one that didn't read his post. I never said he called ME a name. He was making a perfectly fine argument until he felt the need to throw names at the new suit. That's all I was talking about.

My comment on his resistance to change comes from reading his posts in many forums, not just this one. Whenever someone compliments the new suit you can almost set your watch by Merc's reply to the contrary, usually bemoaning the loss of wings.

Johnston called the original Cap suit silly. He said so in an interview. Whether you agree with that or not, the simple fact that we haven't had as much as a single serious Cap movie since he debuted in the 40's should be enough to tell you that something was wrong. Something was keeping him from making the leap to the big screen. As popular as the guy is (and with good reason), he should've had a movie. He hasn't until now.

As for Superman, I'm impressed that you picked that up from the image. I consider his situation different since he's an alien. Not to simplify things too much, but all you have to do is say, "hey, it's our style to wear things like this on my planet," and you're done. I'd like to see it updated to look a little more alien than blue tights with red underwear. I'll hold judgement until I see the design.

[JAK®]

Johnston called the original Cap suit silly.And? That's his opinion. But I've said this before, it's ironic that he says that and then gives us a costume that is actually a faithful adaptation for the most part. It's like he thinks that making a costume work on film means that you have changed it. Because the only way it can be faithful is if it can look silly. Whether you agree with that or not, the simple fact that we haven't had as much as a single serious Cap movie since he debuted in the 40's should be enough to tell you that something was wrong. We never had a serious Spider-Man movie until 2002. Yet the costume managed to be faithful and looks good. We're only just getting a Green Lantern movie. Faithful costume. Thor has never had a movie until now. We've got a costume inspired by the comics. Iron Man came out recently. The costume was faithful.
Something was keeping him from making the leap to the big screen. As popular as the guy is (and with good reason), he should've had a movie. He hasn't until now.Until the last 10 years or so, unless you were Batman or Superman, you didn't get a comic book movie. That proves nothing.

As for Superman, I'm impressed that you picked that up from the image. I consider his situation different since he's an alien. Not to simplify things too much, but all you have to do is say, "hey, it's our style to wear things like this on my planet," and you're done. I'd like to see it updated to look a little more alien than blue tights with red underwear. I'll hold judgement until I see the design.What's stopping Captain America's costume from having a similar justification? (Nothing, because he gets an adequate one in this movie)

[Crimson King]

And? That's his opinion. But I've said this before, it's ironic that he says that and then gives us a costume that is actually a faithful adaptation for the most part.

See, you're different from Merc in that your version of faithful is different from his. I happen to agree with you. It's faithful but the changes makes sense in relation to the time period, his situation, etc.

As for the other comic movies you mentioned, I'm more inclined to think technology was keeping them back more than anything else. One of the reasons we're getting the glut of superhero movies lately is that CGI has allowed for greater possibilities when constructing these worlds and having them be believable. Cap never needed anything that extreme.

[Atomicchuck3k]

I'm actually hoping for a new look for Fury. I'm a little tired of the trench coat. Not sure what else he would wear.

[JAK®]

See, you're different from Merc in that your version of faithful is different from his. I happen to agree with you. It's faithful but the changes makes sense in relation to the time period, his situation, etc.I'm not so different from Merc in believing that the costume could be closer to the source material. Mercurius is a lot more stubborn about it but I don't disagree with his basic philosophy.

As for the other comic movies you mentioned, I'm more inclined to think technology was keeping them back more than anything else. One of the reasons we're getting the glut of superhero movies lately is that CGI has allowed for greater possibilities when constructing these worlds and having them be believable. Cap never needed anything that extreme.
That, and brand recognition. Had Spider-Man failed in 2002 we would be getting none of these superhero movies. No Iron Man, no Green Lantern, no Thor, and no Captain America.

You can't prove that this movie wasn't made until now because the costume was too silly. Why didn't they just change it if that was true? In fact they did in the 70's TV movies, and the end result looked more stupid than the classic costume ever did. The 90's movie used the comic costume, and it looked cheap because the whole movie was cheap. But the fact it was used in the first place disproves your theory.

[Crimson King]

You can't prove that this movie wasn't made until now because the costume was too silly. Why didn't they just change it if that was true? In fact they did in the 70's TV movies, and the end result looked more stupid than the classic costume ever did. The 90's movie used the comic costume, and it looked cheap because the whole movie was cheap. But the fact it was used in the first place disproves your theory.

And you can't prove the contrary. We're both working on circumstantial evidence. I just happen to believe mine is stronger.

In the early interviews for the current Cap movie, Feige was quoted as saying that they were having problems figuring out the movie because of the costume. I doubt he's the first exec to have that problem.

I'm not calling for wholesale changes here just for the sake of change. I'm calling for the costume to fit the character and the movie, regardless of the design changes that need to be made. I know you've seen comments here to the effect of "there's not enough red stripes on his midsection" or "it's not Cap without red boots." THAT is what I have a problem with.

[JAK®]

And you can't prove the contrary. We're both working on circumstantial evidence. I just happen to believe mine is stronger.All you have is evidence of absence on your side. I definitely don't think your position is stronger.

In the early interviews for the current Cap movie, Feige was quoted as saying that they were having problems figuring out the movie because of the costume. I doubt he's the first exec to have that problem.I don't see why he should have a problem.

I'm not calling for wholesale changes here just for the sake of change. I'm calling for the costume to fit the character and the movie, regardless of the design changes that need to be made. I know you've seen comments here to the effect of "there's not enough red stripes on his midsection" or "it's not Cap without red boots." THAT is what I have a problem with.
I just disagree with the notion that an accurate costume would automatically look silly. I believe it's just as close minded as the examples you have given.

[TheVileOne]

Can someone please explain to me what makes the wings look silly/cheesy? To me I think the wings are the coolest part about the costumes.

There are 2 things I dislike about the more classic design (classic like before the Marvel era), and that's the mask being a separate piece and not connecting to the body of the suit and also the original shield. I prefer the mask being connected to the suit and the circular shield.

However, why are the wings bad? I think the wings are the coolest element about the costume.

Why doesn't Batman ditch the ears and just have a flat rounded mask like Red Robin?

[Crimson King]

Why doesn't Batman ditch the ears and just have a flat rounded mask like Red Robin?

Because he would look less like a bat, which was the point of his suit.

I can't think of a reason why Cap needs protruding wings on his helmet. I actually like what the movie is doing by tying the wings on his helmet to the insignia of his unit. It gives them a purpose.

[captainrogers]

Steve McNiven does portruding wings well. I would most certainly accept seeing that on film. I love CA:TFA's suit, but I'm down for a closer to the page look if it's done well.
Wings, I believe, can work, be it painted, raised, or portruding. As long as they are there.

(McNiven sample)

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/116/1165785/captain-america-vol-6-20110503012244698.jpg

[The Infernal]

If it's in, I hope it looks like this.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2497/26004ironmanhulkbusters.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/26004ironmanhulkbusters.jpg/)

I wouldn't mind a cross between this and the Iron Monger suit.


Also, where is your avatar from? I don't recognise that toon version of Cyclops.

[TheVileOne]

Because he would look less like a bat, which was the point of his suit.

I can't think of a reason why Cap needs protruding wings on his helmet. I actually like what the movie is doing by tying the wings on his helmet to the insignia of his unit. It gives them a purpose.
So why couldn't he have them on his new costume to you know honor his unit.

[TikkiEXX]

im cool with the stenciled in wings. never been a big fan of the protruding ones. not sweating it regardless. the WW2 costume turned out to be awesome so i have faith that the modern costume will rock too. i have a healthy respect for Marvels costume designers. im sure theyll come up with something awesome.

[WarBlade]

Can someone please explain to me what makes the wings look silly/cheesy? To me I think the wings are the coolest part about the costumes.

1.) Aesthetic taste. One glance and they just look bad.

2.) Practical stupidity. This guy is supposed to be a soldier, yet the depictions of him have not only had junk stuck to the sides of his hat, but also leave his ears dangling in the wind. Both of which are all kinds of silly.

[Parker Wayne]

im cool with the stenciled in wings. never been a big fan of the protruding ones. not sweating it regardless. the WW2 costume turned out to be awesome so i have faith that the modern costume will rock too. i have a healthy respect for Marvels costume designers. im sure theyll come up with something awesome.

This. Protruding wings work in the comics, I just don't see it working as well in live action. I'm not saying it won't, I'm just saying I don't see it working as well. Stencilled is much better.

[chris moore]

My time machine works! It's 2009 again! ;)

[Saint]

I like the painted on wings, and I'd be perfectly happy to see them stick to those in Avengers. That said, if they think they can make the comic-style wings look good, then I say go for it.

So long as they remain in some form, I'm happy. If they lose the wings entirely, then his head starts looking too generic.

[Mako]

I think the wings really depend on whether or not he wears a helmet or something like a mask.

[Parker Wayne]

My time machine works! It's 2009 again! ;)

Not quite, I'm not hearing the stupid "Mark Valley for Captain America" chants. :oldrazz:

[Silvermoth]

My time machine works! It's 2009 again! ;)

Oh my god! Quick! We have to kill Hitler!

[Brian Braddock]

My time machine works! It's 2009 again! ;)

Congrats;

you can compare notes with this guy:-

http://www.blacksunn.net/11111001111/time-travel-want-with-80s-guy.jpg

[marcvader]

Alas, the eternal battle continues, must have wings versus wings are cheesy.

[Mercurius]

People saying that the wings wouldn't work bring us even farther back in time: it is the SAME yadda yadda that we would hear about the choice of black leather for all X-Men.

"Colourful costumes wouldn't work", they used to say. :oldrazz:

Interesting. People around here are not eager for black leather anymore. Quite the contrary.

Corolary: of course, the "wouldn't work" argument is not even an argument, it is just an old refrain that those lacking imagination and creativity use until someone with both qualities prove them utterly wrong. :cwink:

[WarBlade]

People saying that the wings wouldn't work bring us even farther back in time: it is the SAME yadda yadda that we would hear about the choice of black leather for all X-Men.

"Colourful costumes wouldn't work", they used to say. :oldrazz:

Interesting. People around here are not eager for black leather anymore. Quite the contrary.
Depends on who you ask. I liked the black suits.

Corolary: of course, the "wouldn't work" argument is not even an argument, it is just an old refrain that those lacking imagination and creativity use until someone with both qualities prove them utterly wrong. :cwink:

"Lacking imagination" is a more pronounced problem with the people who claim ridiculous things would work, I tend to find. The rest of us can imagine what Wolverine would look like in yellow... :barf:

[JAK®]

"Lacking imagination" is a more pronounced problem with the people who claim ridiculous things would work, I tend to find. Explain.

[Crimson King]

^I think he means that some people are stuck to a particular set of characteristics for a costume and will accept nothing else.

[Adamantium Man]

People saying that the wings wouldn't work bring us even farther back in time: it is the SAME yadda yadda that we would hear about the choice of black leather for all X-Men.

"Colourful costumes wouldn't work", they used to say. :oldrazz:

Interesting. People around here are not eager for black leather anymore. Quite the contrary.

Corolary: of course, the "wouldn't work" argument is not even an argument, it is just an old refrain that those lacking imagination and creativity use until someone with both qualities prove them utterly wrong. :cwink:

That all depends on the currently "accepted" aesthetic. Those colorful costumes and even Wolverine in yellow would have worked very well in the 60s, alongside that hilarious Batman series (I love it!), but only if you have POW and BOOM overlays on the fights. In an age where black leather is considered "cool" and bright colors are "out", they're the only way to go for heroes. Maybe we have now reached a point where a guy wearing a flag could also wear a helmet with little wings on it, because the aesthetic environment to support it is there in the audience's subconscious. Maybe Iron Man's brightly colored armor made it possible.

What I'm trying to say is, "wouldn't work" should always be read "wouldn't currently work". Aesthetics change, and things that work change along with it.

(I hope that made sense. English isn't my native language.)

[WarBlade]

^I think he means that some people are stuck to a particular set of characteristics for a costume and will accept nothing else.

Kind of...

Explain.

Well... you daydream a mental picture that shows you a mock up of something that someone is suggesting.

Then you start laughing.

But the joke's usually on the fanboy (with no imagination) who cries foul over deviations from the sacrosanct source material. This is because directors and costume designers who do imagine and create costumes actually put together something that can work in a real world environment. :applaud

[JAK®]

Well... you daydream a mental picture that shows you a mock up of something that someone is suggesting.

Then you start laughing.

But the joke's usually on the fanboy (with no imagination) who cries foul over deviations from the sacrosanct source material. This is because directors and costume designers who do imagine and create costumes actually put together something that can work in a real world environment. :applaudSo you imagine something looking bad and then you get something bad.

I imagine it looking good.

Clearly there is some sort of disparity here. I'm of the opinion that the guy who goes "yes, it can work" has the better imagination. Believing something can't work and imaging something bad to confirm that is a defeatist attitude.

If these characters are so ridiculous then why adapt them at all?

[Crimson King]

If these characters are so ridiculous then why adapt them at all?

This is my point. It's not the characters that are ridiculous. The character is not his/her costume. It's the simple fact that design choices made in the 40's, 50's, and 60's are not the same ones that would be made today. Protruding wings like Hermes on a character might've worked for a 40's American propaganda character at the time. I don't believe they work now.

[WarBlade]

The key word there being "adapt".

And I didn't say the characters were ridiculous. There are however aspects of them that don't translate, and if those elements are removed (adapted) to something viable, then that's just fine by me.

[Crimson King]

People saying that the wings wouldn't work bring us even farther back in time: it is the SAME yadda yadda that we would hear about the choice of black leather for all X-Men.

"Colourful costumes wouldn't work", they used to say. :oldrazz:

Interesting. People around here are not eager for black leather anymore. Quite the contrary.

Corolary: of course, the "wouldn't work" argument is not even an argument, it is just an old refrain that those lacking imagination and creativity use until someone with both qualities prove them utterly wrong. :cwink:

There have been a zillion Cap mock-ups here on the Hype since the movie was announced. Just curious, is there one in particular that you find acceptable? Can you show it to me?

[JAK®]

This is my point. It's not the characters that are ridiculous. The character is not his/her costume. It's the simple fact that design choices made in the 40's, 50's, and 60's are not the same ones that would be made today. Protruding wings like Hermes on a character might've worked for a 40's American propaganda character at the time. I don't believe they work now.
So why do the design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s but not nowadays?

And if it's simply the case of being anachronistic then why isn't the classic Captain America costume design being used in the movie? It's set in the '40s, when it was originally designed. The comic costume should have fit right at home.

[WarBlade]

So why do the design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s but not nowadays?

I'm puzzled now. Are you referring to Thor? If that's the case then you're shifting the goal posts on a whim to support your point of view.

Marvel's Thor-in-name-only is vastly removed from the mythical figure, hardly paying much attention to its "design elements". And yet you support preserving littles wings on Captain America's head in a comicbook-to-movie transition?

[Crimson King]

So why do the design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s but not nowadays?

And if it's simply the case of being anachronistic then why isn't the classic Captain America costume design being used in the movie? It's set in the '40s, when it was originally designed. The comic costume should have fit right at home.

I think comics weren't taken as seriously back then. You could get away with a lot in the design, such as Hermes wings on a mask.

Yes, the movie is set in the 40's, but you're still dealing with the practical needs of a real-life costume versus a 2D costume on the page. And you're also dealing with a modern audience, not people living in the time of the original design.

[Hoblin]

I'll never understand how it's not immediately obvious to some poeple that the comic-style wings CAN work, if they're adapted in the proper way. It might be more difficult, but that doesn't mean it can't be done...it'll just take a few more tries for the costume people to get it right. People said it would be difficult for Thor's magic elements to be translated properly to film, and they were able to pull that off.

There's SO MANY things that can be changed in an attempt to make them like right. Texture, color, lighting, shape, blah, blah, blah. To simply say "it won't work no matter what" is kinda silly.

I do agree the wings may (or may not) be more difficult to adapt. If the powers that be can't figure out the proper formula in time (because time IS a factor), then by all means, drop the comic-style wings and just paint them on. But it the comic-style wings can be successfully used, then they should be.

[JAK®]

I'm puzzled now. Are you referring to Thor? If that's the case then you're shifting the goal posts on a whim to support your point of view.

Marvel's Thor-in-name-only is vastly removed from the mythical figure, hardly paying much attention to its "design elements". And yet you support preserving littles wings on Captain America's head in a comicbook-to-movie transition?No. Read the post I quoted. I'm referring to Captain America.


I think comics weren't taken as seriously back then. You could get away with a lot in the design, such as Hermes wings on a mask.And yet the character still exists today with the same design.

Yes, the movie is set in the 40's, but you're still dealing with the practical needs of a real-life costume versus a 2D costume on the page. And you're also dealing with a modern audience, not people living in the time of the original design.
I happen to think the frills and pantaloons of the Elizabethan Era look ridiculous, but I can accept them when I watch a period drama set in that time.

[JAK®]

I'll never understand how it's not immediately obvious to some poeple that the comic-style wings CAN work, if they're adapted in the proper way. It might be more difficult, but that doesn't mean it can't be done...it'll just take a few more tries for the costume people to get it right. People said it would be difficult for Thor's magic elements to be translated properly to film, and they were able to pull that off.

There's SO MANY things that can be changed in an attempt to make them like right. Texture, color, lighting, shape, blah, blah, blah. To simply say "it won't work no matter what" is kinda silly.

I do agree the wings may (or may not) be more difficult to adapt. If the powers that be can't figure out the proper formula in time (because time IS a factor), then by all means, drop the comic-style wings and just paint them on. But it the comic-style wings can be successfully used, then they should be.
Agreed. Let me put it this way;

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq282/JAKSaph/spidey77.jpg
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq282/JAKSaph/42spiderman.jpg

Same design, different execution.

[Endeavor]

Can someone please explain to me what makes the wings look silly/cheesy? To me I think the wings are the coolest part about the costumes.

However, why are the wings bad? I think the wings are the coolest element about the costume.


Tiny wings on a grown man's head. To me that's the definition of silly. You could argue that he's dressed up in a ridiculous outfit to begin with, so why single out the wings? Well everything else about his outfit is about symbolism or function, so it serves a purpose. What purpose do the wings serve? What do they symbolize? The american eagle? I doubt it, and if that was the reason for them then it was a piss poor attempt.
To me the thing looks like Tweety crashed into Cap's noggin from behind and all you see are his wings spread out to the sides, Acme style.
I think they were incorporated into the costume because probably at the time they were the IN thing, which could explain why Namor has equally silly ones on his ankles... At least Namor's serve a purpose, to allow him to fly (which is a whole other level of ridiculous and I hate those wings even more than Cap's).

[JAK®]

They're less silly than the big A on his head in my opinion.

[Endeavor]

^ Not to me.

And again, the A stands for something. What do the tweety wings stand for?

[Crimson King]

And yet the character still exists today with the same design.


I happen to think the frills and pantaloons of the Elizabethan Era look ridiculous, but I can accept them when I watch a period drama set in that time.

It exists today in some of the 2D comics, not in film.

Your pantaloons example is not a valid comparison (I can't believe I just typed that). We're talking about a guy fighting in a war. Close combat. Tell me why he would want protruding wings on his head?

They're less silly than the big A on his head in my opinion.

I'm not a fan of the big A either.

[Crimson King]

edit

[Hoblin]

The Wings of Liberty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8cEcMOC5I

May they never lose a feather.

Edit: If someones isn't a fan of the Wings OR the big 'A' on Cap's head, then maybe that person just isn't a fan of Cap. The Character has appeal and has lasted for a long time by appealing to a lot of people. And those characteristics are part of the appeal. If you don't like them, then a Cap movie may not interest you in the first place.

An example, I'm not a fan of this idea in Twilight that vampires sparkle when exposed to sunlight. But I would never suggest that that idea NOT be put into the movie adaptation. That sunlight sparkle was a part of the books that became massively popular, so it has every right to be apart of the movie. Fans expect it. It was accepted in the books and is part of these popular characters.

[Rock Sexton]

^ Not to me.

And again, the A stands for something. What do the tweety wings stand for?

Wow, is that a serious question? :doh:

[Crimson King]

Edit: If someones isn't a fan of the Wings OR the big 'A' on Cap's head, then maybe that person just isn't a fan of Cap. The Character has appeal and has lasted for a long time by appealing to a lot of people. And those characteristics are part of the appeal. If you don't like them, then a Cap movie may not interest you in the first place.

I'm a fan of the character and I can't wait for the movie. Once again, the costume is not the character.

[Dr.Dude]

Personally, I tend to agree with Endeavor - it's not so much that wings don't "translate" to a movie costume, because there's always a way to translate that sort of small detail. It's simply the fact that aesthetically-speaking, those tiny little wing extensions just look really, really goofy in general.

It's kind of like the Green Goblin's infamous costume - while it's not that the Goblin's elf-like comic book costume couldn't be translated, the costume design itself was never one of the stronger ones in comics. While the design they came up with wasn't exactly celebrated by fandom, the truth is the designers were facing up an uphill battle on that one from the start.

Captain America, for the most part, has a great costume design. Now Cap's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but I always disliked those wings. They have no explainable purpose except for making a more unique silhouette, but it doesn't actually improve Cap's silhouette at all. While having no wings does make his mask look more plain, I'm very fond of the approach his first movie costume is taking by having them stenciled in; it honors the wings, without having the same pointless head extensions.

[Endeavor]

Edit: If someones isn't a fan of the Wings OR the big 'A' on Cap's head, then maybe that person just isn't a fan of Cap.

Incorrect.

I prove that statement wrong.
I'm a fan of Cap and I hate the little wings.

[Rock Sexton]

Personally, I tend to agree with Endeavor - it's not so much that wings don't "translate" to a movie costume, because there's always a way to translate that sort of small detail. It's simply the fact that aesthetically-speaking, those tiny little wing extensions just look really, really goofy in general.

It's kind of like the Green Goblin's infamous costume - while it's not that the Goblin's elf-like comic book costume couldn't be translated, the costume design itself was never one of the stronger ones in comics. While the design they came up with wasn't exactly celebrated by fandom, the truth is the designers were facing up an uphill battle on that one from the start.

Captain America, for the most part, has a great costume design. Now Cap's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but I always disliked those wings. They have no explainable purpose except for making a more unique silhouette, but it doesn't actually improve Cap's silhouette at all. While having no wings does make his mask look more plain, I'm very fond of the approach his first movie costume is taking by having them stenciled in; it honors the wings, without having the same pointless head extensions.

The point of the wings are symbolic and aesthetically speaking to break up the "Captain Dildo Head" appearance without them.

[GhostPoet]

The wings would be laughable at best in live action.

[Mercurius]

Well... you daydream a mental picture that shows you a mock up of something that someone is suggesting.

Then you start laughing.

But the joke's usually on the fanboy (with no imagination) who cries foul over deviations from the sacrosanct source material. This is because directors and costume designers who do imagine and create costumes actually put together something that can work in a real world environment. :applaud

And look who's talking about lack of imagination. There are some concentration exercises that can help you improving these very limited skills. :oldrazz:

And that fanboy you describe is also someone I would criticise.

But there are costume designers and costume designers: some of them understand what the costume is about, others don't.

Superman, Spider Man, Iron Man, Hellboy, all of those, some of the most memorable superhero movies, do. Thor was a departure that has kept key elements in order, and wasn't ashamed of its obvious superhero, comic book image.

The only real exception to the rule is Batman, but then again, his costume has been changed from movie to movie, and certainly is not one of the most memorable things about Bats, they have never really gotten it right (in the last one, the cowl finally allowed him to move his head, for instance).

So, you may like your black leather motorcycle club, but that has changed a lot, and for better, in the last years. :cwink:

[Mercurius]

The wings would be laughable at best in live action.

The wings would complete his costume (that looks unfinished and bland without it) and finally make him look like Captain America in live action.









Cool, I liked that very straightforward way of saying it. :woot:

[wobbly]

I think an 'embossed' raised design to the wings would work best. They would have a little depth to break up the otherwise flat temples, but not stick out like the comic book one's do.

I hope they also drop the ear guards with the new suit. A chin strip works ok for me, the covered ears not so much.

[Endeavor]

The point of the wings are symbolic and aesthetically speaking to break up the "Captain Dildo Head" appearance without them.

I'd rather have the 'captain dildo head' than tweety wings.

I don't even know why this discussion is taking so long. It's obvious that we're not all going to have the same taste. This is all about personal taste and opinion. Those of us that don't like the wings were asked why and we gave reasons. Those reasons aren't valid to some, okay. Your reasons for liking the wings are not valid for us.

[cryptic name]

^ Not to me.

And again, the A stands for something. What do the tweety wings stand for?

they're the wings of liberty.

[Mercurius]

I think an 'embossed' raised design to the wings would work best. They would have a little depth to break up the otherwise flat temples, but not stick out like the comic book one's do

That's simply perfect. :up:

People are always imagining (supposing that they can access it) giant wings sticking out just like that stupid design for the 90's movie.

[cryptic name]

I think an 'embossed' raised design to the wings would work best. They would have a little depth to break up the otherwise flat temples, but not stick out like the comic book one's do.

I hope they also drop the ear guards with the new suit. A chin strip works ok for me, the covered ears not so much.

same here. an embossed, possibly metallic look could be awesome.

here's a question for the staunchly anti-wing crowd: Would you feel the same about the Flash's costume being adapted for live action?

[Mercurius]

I'd rather have the 'captain dildo head' than tweety wings.

I don't even know why this discussion is taking so long. It's obvious that we're not all going to have the same taste. This is all about personal taste and opinion. Those of us that don't like the wings were asked why and we gave reasons. Those reasons aren't valid to some, okay. Your reasons for liking the wings are not valid for us.

Not a mere question of opinion, and that's why it's taking so long.

This is about an iconic costume that isn't looking right, yet. It has potential, of course, but it really needs adjustments to fulfill what's expected of the character's visuals.

So we're having this nice chat. :woot:

[Endeavor]

they're the wings of liberty.
I still don't like them.

[Endeavor]

I think an 'embossed' raised design to the wings would work best. They would have a little depth to break up the otherwise flat temples, but not stick out like the comic book one's do.


I could live with that.

[Mercurius]

I still don't like them.

Now that's a very personal opinion.

And you know what? it's a shame you can't make your opinion known to the likes of Jack Kirby and John Buscema.

[cryptic name]

I still don't like them.

Haha, fair enough :woot:

[Endeavor]

So we're having this nice chat. :woot:

As long as it stays a nice chat...

But I still think it is opinion and personal taste.

For you removing those wings would make the costume less iconic/symbolic, for me it would not.

[Rock Sexton]

I think an 'embossed' raised design to the wings would work best. They would have a little depth to break up the otherwise flat temples, but not stick out like the comic book one's do.

I hope they also drop the ear guards with the new suit. A chin strip works ok for me, the covered ears not so much.

That's what I was saying I'd settle for.

Although I hate that helmet and the chin strap.

[Endeavor]

Now that's a very personal opinion.

And you know what? it's a shame you can't make your opinion known to the likes of Jack Kirby and John Buscema.

That's ok. There are many things they did that I love, but I don't have to accept every single aspect of everything they did in order to be considered a fan.

[Mercurius]

As long as it stays a nice chat...

But I still think it is opinion and personal taste.

For you removing those wings would make the costume less iconic/symbolic, for me it would not.

So lemme see if I get it right: you're stating that you do not consider the wings as a distinctive feature of Captain America's costume, even though you hate them so much?

It makes no sense, Endeavour: either you think they're iconic, but you hate them, or it doesn't matter for you if it stays or goes.

[Endeavor]

What is the confusion? There is value in the symbolism that the costume conveys. But the costume as a whole, not just the little wings. For me, because they are not aesthetically pleasing, if they are removed from the costume it would be best and the costume would not lose any of its symbolic value.
There I don't think I could explain it any clearer.

[MahvelBaby!]

I love wings! :D

http://www.fullissue.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chicken-Wings.jpg

[Endeavor]

i love wings! :d


lol

[Saint]

Tell me why he would want protruding wings on his head?

It doesn't really matter. Soldiers painting or otherwise customizing their gear (or even vehicles) is something not uncommon in film, I see no reason Cap deciding to add some weird decoration to his helmet is any different. It's weird, but so is painting shark teeth on your plane, you know?

That said, I'm cool with the stenciled wings.

[Mako]

I love wings! :D

http://www.fullissue.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chicken-Wings.jpg

:lmao:

[cryptic name]

Personally I'm fine with the stenciled wings on the helmet of the WWII outfit. I like that they sort of allude to the customization of fighter planes of the era. Wouldn't mind them being a little more "3D" in Avengers though. Like Wobbly said, 'embossed' wings would look great.

[MahvelBaby!]

Alright ,alright, now for my actual opinion, my opinion is.......I don't really care. I'm fine with them being painted on, IF they could pull them off as "3d" then sure whatever, I think if they nail the character all those things become trivial, but hell continue the debate! For without it the forum would not be as fun. For me it's iconic enough with the shield and the color scheme lol.

[Blackman]

man...this wings discussion take me back
http://i51.tinypic.com/21jbxpe.jpg
I like the wings here

[Endeavor]

Personally I'm fine with the stenciled wings on the helmet of the WWII outfit. I like that they sort of allude to the customization of fighter planes of the era. Wouldn't mind them being a little more "3D" in Avengers though. Like Wobbly said, 'embossed' wings would look great.


Yeah I think that would be a happy medium

[Crimson King]

I think we're zeroing in on embossed wings as a compromise. Someone alert Marvel's costume designers that we've made our decision.

[Endeavor]

Alright ,alright, now for my actual opinion, my opinion is.......I don't really care. I'm fine with them being painted on, IF they could pull them off as "3d" then sure whatever, I think if they nail the character all those things become trivial, but hell continue the debate! For without it the forum would not be as fun. For me it's iconic enough with the shield and the color scheme lol.

Same here.

[Endeavor]

I think we're zeroing in on embossed wings as a compromise. Someone alert Marvel's costume designers that we've made our decision.

Wow, I guess this discussion did serve a purpose! :wow: :p

[MahvelBaby!]

What if....they rip the wings off thors helmet(Since he doesn't use it anyways :D ) and just crazy glued them to Chris evans head? O_O

[Endeavor]

Next on the agenda: Make sure Namor's ankle wings end up as tattoos in the live action adaptation.

[Mercurius]

I think we're zeroing in on embossed wings as a compromise. Someone alert Marvel's costume designers that we've made our decision.

Ferpect, does anyone have Kevin Feige's number? :woot:

[MahvelBaby!]

^LMAO now their is an interesting debate! I say nay on Namors Wankle's :D

[Endeavor]

I second. Move to vote.

[Crimson King]

Okay, so...

Now what?

[MahvelBaby!]

ummm we continue fighting over caps Wings? ... >_>

Oh wait! I'll say something to start a debate! I think Stark should make a G.I joe suite for Rogers :D yes! yes! let your blood boil! let it out!

[Endeavor]

Now we move on to the other Avengers.

[Mercurius]

Okay, so...

Now what?

A minute of silence, perhaps: I've never seen everybody in agreement in these threads before. That's one for the books. :yay:

[Endeavor]

ummm we continue fighting over caps Wings? ... >_>

Oh wait! I'll say something to start a debate! I think Stark should make a G.I joe suite for Rogers :D yes! yes! let your blood boil! let it out!

Speaking of Tony, you know he'd make fun of those little wings.. just sayin.

[marcvader]

Nazis anyone?

[Endeavor]

LOL

lets

[Crimson King]

I heard Cap's not getting another trailer. Just TV spots.

[Endeavor]

I would not mind. I don't want to be too spoiled and trailers usually show too much.

[Crimson King]

That was my standard "TheMayor" reference. Maybe I should've signed it with a dancing troll picture.

[Endeavor]

Aah. Yeah. I've heard of him but did not deal too much with his troll-ness

[Crimson King]

Back on topic: other than Cap, I'm not expecting too much change outside of some new armor for IM. I'm hoping we get to see Coulson and Fury geared up in some actual SHIELD attire (that is if SLJ's gut doesn't dictate otherwise).

[Endeavor]

Clark Gregg spoke about this in his red carpet interview. He said that Cobie looks a lot better in her shield costume than he does. To me that means they're getting the tight fitting SHIELD uniforms.

[Dr Lee]

Clark Gregg spoke about this in his red carpet interview. He said that Cobie looks a lot better in her shield costume than he does. To me that means they're getting the tight fitting SHIELD uniforms.

We need photo's ASAP....

[Endeavor]

Agreed. Maybe SD ComicCon?

[Crimson King]

I'm expecting a whole lot more than just photos at SDCC.

[WarBlade]

No. Read the post I quoted. I'm referring to Captain America.

Let's review that:

So why do the design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s but not nowadays?

I quoted that because you were claiming that "design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s". Clearly false in itself, and it doesn't look like it's referring to Captain America either. :whatever:

Speaking of Tony, you know he'd make fun of those little wings.. just sayin.

I keep thinking of Tim (http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/23) from LFG Comic. Except in this case Tim is the Hulk...

"CHICKEN!!!"
*grab*
*rip*

[MahvelBaby!]

I would not mind. I don't want to be too spoiled and trailers usually show too much.

Agreed I think it best they keep this one under wraps, but on the other end of the spectrum, I'd like to see more to get an idea on whether it will be any god or not.

[marcvader]

I'm seeing it whether it looks good or bad.

[Endeavor]

Agreed I think it best they keep this one under wraps, but on the other end of the spectrum, I'd like to see more to get an idea on whether it will be any god or not.

I think the current trailer, tv spots and pics show enough to prove it's good. At least to me.
I've seen enough to come around to liking the idea of Evans as Cap, which I was originally unhappy about.

[Mako]

Clark Gregg spoke about this in his red carpet interview. He said that Cobie looks a lot better in her shield costume than he does. To me that means they're getting the tight fitting SHIELD uniforms.

Cannot wait to see :woot:

[Taiwarriorz21]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nlyTcxWNEns/TGtmNFWbKxI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/luVHcLKK5Pk/s1600/Hulk_Buster_Iron_Man.jpg

How bout the Juggernaut look? lol

This looks awful! Just awful!

[marcvader]

Red bubble robot man

[Doctor Jones]

Oh look. He stole GG's glider.

[Mako]

Oh look. He stole GG's glider.

Either that or he's going snowboarding :woot:

[JAK®]

Let's review that:Yes, let's. I gave you the opportunity to go back and correct yourself and now you've let yourself down.

I quoted that because you were claiming that "design elements of a 3000 year old mythological character work on a costume designed in the '40s". Clearly false in itself, and it doesn't look like it's referring to Captain America either. :whatever:

I was replying to kingmatte's comments on the wings on Captain America's helmet, which he attributed to the wings of Hermes, the 3000 year old mythological character. His logic was that the 40's suit was outdated, my point was that if he conceded that it took the design elements of something thousands of years old, then clearly being dated isn't a problem.

Anyway, the discussion has moved on and I don't want to bring it up again.

[WarBlade]

Yes, let's. I gave you the opportunity to go back and correct yourself and now you've let yourself down.

By asking a question...

I'm puzzled now. Are you referring to Thor?

And getting a cryptic reply...

No. Read the post I quoted. I'm referring to Captain America.

When you could have said...

I was replying to kingmatte's comments on the wings on Captain America's helmet, which he attributed to the wings of Hermes, the 3000 year old mythological character.

"No, I'm referring to Hermes."

With any luck the characters you refer to will be a lot clearer by the time Avengers hits the screens, because the ensemble cast could make forum threads reeeeally interesting! :woot:

[JAK®]

It was there in black and white writing for you to understand. If the person I was talking to in the first place knew what I was talking about, then I don't see why you had so much trouble. Don't blame me for your misunderstanding.

[Whiskey Tango]

Get a room!

[WarBlade]

A conventional room? Or a room with wings on the sides? :woot:

[Galactus123]

This. Iron Man needs this to win Hulk
http://breeves21.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/hulkbuster.jpg

http://the-trukstop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/hulkbuster.jpg

[Crimson King]

Congratulations! You've won a Hulk!

[Atomicchuck3k]

A conventional room? Or a room with wings on the sides? :woot:

Lol :lmao:

[CoulsonFan]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1105/13/avengers.htm

They just re-did the costumes for the new season of the Avengers cartoon. Iron Man looks more like he did in Iron Man 2. Thor looks more like he does in Thor. Captain America's ditched his classic look for something more like his "modern-day" Ultimates costume.
Gee, I wonder if this could be a clue.

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm cool with Caps redesign and if thats his costume in Avengers I'll live...but! This "New Weapon" and no shield thing has me worried :/ atleast relating to the cartoon.

[cryptic name]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1105/13/avengers.htm

They just re-did the costumes for the new season of the Avengers cartoon. Iron Man looks more like he did in Iron Man 2. Thor looks more like he does in Thor. Captain America's ditched his classic look for something more like his "modern-day" Ultimates costume.
Gee, I wonder if this could be a clue.

if Cap's "new weapon" is an energy shield to replace his real shield as hinted at by that thing on his wrist...i will be very sad. like the new designs for Thor and IM though

[CoulsonFan]

I am going to assume they're talking about some new variant on the shield that's still basically the same shield. They're bonkers if they're messing with that. That's their logo.

[Timstuff]

Cap has to have his classic shield. It's too iconic to be replaced with some kind of lame energy / force field thing. :cap:

[batsone]

i know this needs a grip of work, but what the hell.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/Copyofcaptclassic.jpg

[Lando81]

With some smoothing over, Traditional Cap could look fantastic on film.

[JAK®]

Even I wouldn't have gone as faithful as that manip but I'm surprised at how good it looks.

[Whiskey Tango]

What is the friggin obsession with giving Cap an energy shield? It was stupid back in the 90's and it remains stupid today.

[HUMANIMAL]

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6356/unbenannt2m.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/unbenannt2m.jpg/)

a try at a redesign

[afan]

Replacing the shield is a very bad idea, and why can't Hulk have ripped pants?

[marcvader]

Hopefully these changes are only in the toon.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Energy shield fitted pretty well with Mark Waid's plans for Captain America vol. 3 (when Cap lost his shield), so... haters gonna hate.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/im2-1.jpg

Concerning the Avengers movie, if Cap's shield gets broken during his last fight with The Red Skull in The First Avenger, or maybe during the explosion, Tony Stark's vibranium version of his shield is at Steve's service)

[Ash Talon]

I'm not too worried about Cap's costume. I'm thinking something ala the Ultimates design will be fine. Which is close to the movie WWII version but streamlined with more modern material.

I actually hope they tweak Thor's costume. They should really copy the comics and go with mail on the thighs. The upper half of Thor's movie costume is great, but the bottom half just becomes a non-descript black blob. It needs some color to break it up. The mail thighs would nicely break up the lower half of the costume.

[wobbly]

Replacing the shield is a very bad idea, and why can't Hulk have ripped pants?

Cap will get his real Shield back before that season is over, bet on it.
As for Hulk's ripped pants....well in the toon Banner has allowed the Hulk to take over pretty much all the time. No real need for them if he isn't changing back and forth.

[afan]

Cap will get his real Shield back before that season is over, bet on it.
As for Hulk's ripped pants....well in the toon Banner has allowed the Hulk to take over pretty much all the time. No real need for them if he isn't changing back and forth.

Then there is no real need for super stretch boxers either, at the end of the day it's just Hulk's costume. Not a big deal, I just prefer the ripped pants look as Hulk's costume.

[Blackman]

Someone in the Cap manip thread did this
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z410/aa241010/capt2-2.jpg

I think it's a great blend of the comic and movie costume

[Atomicchuck3k]

Someone in the Cap manip thread did this
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z410/aa241010/capt2-2.jpg

I think it's a great blend of the comic and movie costume

Nice work but is that scales or fishnet on the torso portion? Also I don't they'll give cap a knife but a SHIELD agent issued gun maybe.

[Mercurius]

Out with straps and knives and pockets and all that silly nonsense. Captain is not Rambo, he isn't going powerless to find his way through a jungle.

That's both pointless and busy visually-wise.

[Moridin]

Just because Cap could fight his way through "the jungle" naked doesn't mean he should. It would be tactically stupid awell as arrogant and in defiance of common sense to not go on a mission as prepared as possible. Is Cap stupid, arrogant and lacking in common sense?

[kedrell]

Then there is no real need for super stretch boxers either, at the end of the day it's just Hulk's costume. Not a big deal, I just prefer the ripped pants look as Hulk's costume.

Hulk doesn't really have a costume. You don't need one when your skin tone & size/shape do it all for you. I for one have always been sick of the damn purple pants thing and if they disappeared forever I'd not miss them. Hulk has been in non-purple many, many times before and it works just fine.

[Mercurius]

Just because Cap could fight his way through "the jungle" naked doesn't mean he should. It would be tactically stupid awell as arrogant and in defiance of common sense to not go on a mission as prepared as possible. Is Cap stupid, arrogant and lacking in common sense?

What is common sense when we are speaking of a superhuman being dressed in blue and red?

Your logic applies only to common human beings, or realistic fiction like Platoon.

"As prepared as possible" has been, for over sixty years, him and his shield. Period. And he could fight his way naked, but that's Tarzan, not Captain America.

Making his visual busy with pouches and crappy straps is just as bad: utility belts? Making him look like a common jarhead?

Utter, total, complete nonsense. :o

It seems like we're back to those disastrous comics in the 90's, when awful jackets and pouches were everywhere, just for the sake of making something "different". :doh:

[marcvader]

Not really, those comics stories weren't based during WWII and were common superheroes in the present day. That's what made it ridiculous during the 90's.

[weezerspider]

As far as the toon updates goes:

Hulk- not really a big deal, could care less either way. If they went with this for the movie, I would be fine.

Thor- I like it. I hope we still get the original suit sometimes in other seasons, but it looks nice. I agree that the bottom half of Thor's film costume needs something. Mail would be a pretty good option.

Iron Man- Like Hulk, I don't really care either way. It looks cool, but I don't particularly think it is any better than the previous suit. Something like this for the film would be fine.

Captain America- I'm 99% sure the new weapon is the energy shield. That is lame and it will be lame for the film if they use it. I'm fine with the Ultimate style suit for the film, but I don't really dig it for the cartoon. Ah well, it doesn't look terrible.

BTW, is season one over or are we just in another break?

[Quasimod0]

season one is over. idk if its over in america yet, but you can watch all the episodes on youtube

[weezerspider]

season one is over. idk if its over in america yet, but you can watch all the episodes on youtube

Is the last episode when:

they fight Loki and Cap's shield breaks?

If so, then I've seen all of them.

[Superhero 101]

Looks like caps new costume is like the Ultimate and 616 version which doesnt look bad
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167551-promo-poster-for-the-avengers

[batboy99]

I geeked out seeing that his ears are exposed. sad.

[storyteller]

Iron Man got new armor possibly(since they got rid of the triangle). Hawkeyes is right on the money for the ultimate universe redesigned suit that will debut later this year. Thor's costume is not changing. The biggest thing is Captain americas. It is actually the costume. He will lose the WW2 counterparts and get the "real thing".It tells us that his arms and legs are armored but his head may not be(hard to tell because even in the drawings for first avenger his helmet seems less hard).

[CB Fan]

I like all of their costumes I just wish that Black Widow's costume was more like the one in the animated series with the gold belt and gauntlets and a more visible black widow hourglass.
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/chrismatj/Marvel/Avengers/23_BLACK_WIDOW_6_CAMPBELL_VARIANT__2-1.jpg

[Benstamania]

Not. A. Fan. At all. It looks like the type of redesign Rob Liefeld would draw.

Nah, we actually see a normal looking human hand in that image...

[Ponyboy]

What's with all these J. Scott Campbell pieces all over the Hype lately?!! Am I the only person that thought this guy vanished from comics? :huh:

[Superhero 101]

Why doesn't Thor have his Helmet

[Mercurius]

And a cowl for Hawkeye. But the poster is much more than sufficiently good.

[Dark Raven]

I like all of their costumes I just wish that Black Widow's costume was more like the one in the animated series with the gold belt and gauntlets and a more visible black widow hourglass.
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/chrismatj/Marvel/Avengers/23_BLACK_WIDOW_6_CAMPBELL_VARIANT__2-1.jpg

That's not Black Widow from the animated series.

Widow does look just like Scarlett in that picture though. Was that intentional?

[Isildur´s Heir]

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/avengerspromoposter.jpg

I like....i really like the Captain America suit.
Gone are the straps, gone are the stars on the shoulders, and....there they are.......the fricking wings on the helmet, not just painted ones :D
It´s a perfect update to the comic book look....really great job :up:

The Hawkeye suit....
It looks like the Ultimate one,only missing the glasses.
The Ultimate line, even if cool, pales in comparison to the original one, but i can give that purple suit is not that great either.
So, i can live with the change...but he should have a helmet, to give him a more superhero like (one of the many things really missing on the Ultimate line).

Iron Man and Hulk are what they are, which is great, so, not much there.

Black Widow looks like the comics, so, not much there either. My only problem is how she was handled in Iron Man 2, but is the character and not the costume.

Thor is the only one i can´t find myself really liking it.
It´s equal to the Thor movie, but that wasn´t great to begin with...

[Dark Raven]

I wish Hawkeye had at least a cowl even if not that horned wolverine-looking mask bit.

[peterparker0077]

I was talking with some friends, and I'll bet that Hawkeye at some point in the Avengers film will say something like "I wish I had a hood like Captain America" or something along those lines, and then we'll see it next time.

As for Capt's new suit... so.. to all those folks who said an accurate costume with wings on the helm and ears exposed would never translate well to film... still think so? I always said it could work if it's done right, and here is a clear example of it being done right.

[Crimson King]

They're not little raised wings, they're embossed, which is exactly the compromise we said would work in live action.

[JAK®]

They're not little raised wings, they're embossed, which is exactly the compromise we said would work in live action.Maybe you said so, but a lot of people said they wouldn't work at all.

[peterparker0077]

They're not little raised wings, they're embossed, which is exactly the compromise we said would work in live action.

The look more than embossed. They look like the way I planned to do mine, take the wing symbol from TFA, and make it 3 dimensional. I am machining mine this week actually :), brushed aluminum, but yes, they do not stand out that far. 1/4 inch as most.

[sgaana]

Just transferring to this (more appropriate) thread observations about the slight changes to Thor's costume that this poster shows us.

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k624/gryphonvert/thor-tunic.jpg

Unfortunately, all of the photos from the Thor movie that I could quickly find were dark and moodily lit, which doesn't help when trying to see the details of the tunic. That's why I went with a well-lit picture of the Hot Toys 1/6 scale figure. I've compared it with production photos of the movie costume in the Art book, and it's an accurate representation.

The placement and relative sizes of the roundels looks more or less the same to me, but the shapes and linework of the tunic around them seem to be different. The central decorative line seems very similar. The biggest difference I notice is in the way the waist is defined, and the hemline.

The movie costume has that bluish undertunic thing (the "shirt" he was wearing when he landed on Earth, with the red piping at the collar), which has a hemline that comes down in a V at the center. The waistline of the "armor" above it has the same V or upside-down triangle element to it.

On the promo poster, the waistline of the armor is different; it looks simpler and lacks the V shape. It KIND OF looks to me like the two lowest roundels have pointy black shapes extending below them. The hemline is totally different. It's hard to tell, but it looks a little bit longer overall, to me.


The Thor toy line for his own movie has not deviated majorly in design terms from his movie costume. Which is to say, even though there's a lot of detail in his tunic, all of the toys do a more or less faithful job of reproducing those details. Box art and toy promo art has similarly been based pretty closely on photos of his costume. So I can't imagine that for this promo pic, the artist wasn't given an accurate reference for Thor in the Avengers. Going by the earlier examples, it's not that the company "doesn't care" if the toy line matches the movie's costume.

It definitely makes me wonder why they decided to give him a new tunic at all. Particularly when the differences are fairly subtle. It's not like Cap's costume update where you notice right away.

Finally, just speculation: someone in the main Avengers News thread observed (again) that the Art book contains a bunch of cool costume designs that weren't used, including some with an even longer, cloth tunic effect that were really awesome looking.

Since it's been suggested that we may get some scenes of Thor in Asgard before he returns to Earth... it's worth wondering if The Avengers will give us more than one Asgardian costume for Thor. People observed (and the Art book also commented) that Loki, for example, had 3 Asgardian costumes, from "casual wear" to "formal wear" to "armored up", and Sif and the Warriors Three, as well as Odin, also had costume changes. Thor didn't. We only saw him in his armor, with the only variation being whether or not he took off his cape.

The Art book also showed some designs of a "sparring outfit" for Thor, which we never saw on film. It was hard to tell whether that outfit was constructed at all; I got the feeling that they didn't even film those sequences (pity). It's the sleeveless outfit with the two long red tassels hanging from the belt that one of the 3.75" action figures is wearing, though.

Anyway. It'd be really cool if we got at least ONE extra Thor costume, besides the armor, in TA. But I still can't figure out why he would need a similar-but-slightly-different armor tunic. Continuity-wise, it would seem to make more sense if he was still wearing what we last saw him wearing at the end of his movie.

I guess we'll find out. :woot:

[Vartha]

Yeah My laptop screen is shot and my Desktop monitor is too dark I lighten the image in my photo editor, I see what you're talking about now.
Notice there seems to be some sort of Stripes down the side of his leg?

[storyteller]

Lets remember that this is an artistic rendering. Sometimes details get lost between the concept and actual suit. I bet the artist gets the looks from the concepts and not from the final product.

I think Thor will use the exact same outfit they used for his first movie. Iron Man I think is possibly a artist issue. He had the MK3 designs and that's just what he used. May not represent the version actually used.

[conaniscool]

Lets remember that this is an artistic rendering. Sometimes details get lost between the concept and actual suit. I bet the artist gets the looks from the concepts and not from the final product.

I think Thor will use the exact same outfit they used for his first movie. Iron Man I think is possibly a artist issue. He had the MK3 designs and that's just what he used. May not represent the version actually used.

nah, they always change the costumes for superhero sequels. even for raimi's spider-man there were small changes. nice try tho, bro.

[sgaana]

Storyteller: in the other thread, RIM has posted to confirm that the suit Iron Man is depicted wearing here is a suit from the movie. He will apparently have 2 suits in TA, and this is one of them.

On the one hand, I agree with your reservations about promo art versus final design in the movie costume.

On the other hand, that's why I brought up the fact that all of the promo art and Thor toys are accurate to the movie costume design.

Look at it this way: TA has been shooting for 6 weeks now. The final design of the Thor costume for that movie has been in existence, therefore, for at least 6 weeks (although I don't know enough about movie production to say how much longer than that it has likely existed -- but I'm thinking you can tack a couple of weeks onto that number, with the idea being that the production should have completed costume fittings prior to starting to shoot).

Sure, it's possible that this promo poster was done months and months ago. Yet it seems equally likely that the artist assigned to do it was able to be given the finalized design of everybody's costumes for the movie.

And if Marvel wants the Avengers toy line to be as accurate to the movie's costumes as the Thor toy line and promo material has been, then it does seem like there's a good chance that we ARE looking at fairly accurate representations of the costumes.

Notice there seems to be some sort of Stripes down the side of his leg?

Yeah. I felt like it wasn't possible to make out the details on his legs well enough to get into trying to analyze the differences, though.

(I tend to agree with others that there were some really good pants designs in the Thor Art book, and I can't figure out why they didn't go with one of those instead of what we got in the movie. Maybe it was a movement issue.)

[conaniscool]

I was talking with some friends, and I'll bet that Hawkeye at some point in the Avengers film will say something like "I wish I had a hood like Captain America" or something along those lines, and then we'll see it next time.

As for Capt's new suit... so.. to all those folks who said an accurate costume with wings on the helm and ears exposed would never translate well to film... still think so? I always said it could work if it's done right, and here is a clear example of it being done right.

and that is why you do not write for hollywood.

[Vartha]

Yeah I know that ST, just pointing out the small changes in the costume. Even from the original Concept art for Thor.

[Vartha]

Storyteller: in the other thread, RIM has posted to confirm that the suit Iron Man is depicted wearing here is a suit from the movie. He will apparently have 2 suits in TA, and this is one of them.

On the one hand, I agree with your reservations about promo art versus final design in the movie costume.

On the other hand, that's why I brought up the fact that all of the promo art and Thor toys are accurate to the movie costume design.

Look at it this way: TA has been shooting for 6 weeks now. The final design of the Thor costume for that movie has been in existence, therefore, for at least 6 weeks (although I don't know enough about movie production to say how much longer than that it has likely existed -- but I'm thinking you can tack a couple of weeks onto that number, with the idea being that the production should have completed costume fittings prior to starting to shoot).

Sure, it's possible that this promo poster was done months and months ago. Yet it seems equally likely that the artist assigned to do it was able to be given the finalized design of everybody's costumes for the movie.

And if Marvel wants the Avengers toy line to be as accurate to the movie's costumes as the Thor toy line and promo material has been, then it does seem like there's a good chance that we ARE looking at fairly accurate representations of the costumes.



Yeah. I felt like it wasn't possible to make out the details on his legs well enough to get into trying to analyze the differences, though.

(I tend to agree with others that there were some really good pants designs in the Thor Art book, and I can't figure out why they didn't go with one of those instead of what we got in the movie. Maybe it was a movement issue.)
I don't have the art book yet, the Barnes and noble here doesn't have it and I'd have to order it. :( I can't afford their 50 dollars.

[peterparker0077]

and that is why you do not write for hollywood.

and why is that?

[sgaana]

I don't have the art book yet, the Barnes and noble here doesn't have it and I'd have to order it. :( I can't afford their 50 dollars.

Order it off Amazon, it's cheaper anyway. Even with shipping, I got it for less than $50.

And yes, can I just b**** about B&N for a moment. Because I went into 3 local B&Ns looking for the Art book, before ordering it online. NONE of them had it, although they had art-of books for several other movies that are out right now (such as POTC and KFP2). Only one of the stores had an extremely lame little display on the end of an aisle with an anemic selection of books related to Thor.

...Meanwhile, 2 of the stores had a more prominently-placed table entirely devoted to Green Lantern, including graphic novels, the art book and other movie-related books, and action figures. :cmad:

I get that at the point I was looking (last weekend), GL is the next-upcoming big thing, while Thor has been out for weeks and weeks, but DAMN, B&N! Wouldn't you think that people might still be interested in merchandise for a popular movie that is now in theaters? Not just in merchandise for a movie they haven't actually seen yet?

And speaking of which... there was no similarly-elaborate display related to Captain America. I guess the thing to do is go back to a B&N at the start of July, and see if all the GL stuff is gone and replaced by Cap stuff.

Or did Warner Bros/DC make some exclusive deal with B&N to promote the hell out of GL, and ignore the Marvel Studios movies?

[Vartha]

Order it off Amazon, it's cheaper anyway. Even with shipping, I got it for less than $50.

And yes, can I just b**** about B&N for a moment. Because I went into 3 local B&Ns looking for the Art book, before ordering it online. NONE of them had it, although they had art-of books for several other movies that are out right now (such as POTC and KFP2). Only one of the stores had an extremely lame little display on the end of an aisle with an anemic selection of books related to Thor.

...Meanwhile, 2 of the stores had a more prominently-placed table entirely devoted to Green Lantern, including graphic novels, the art book and other movie-related books, and action figures. :cmad:

I get that at the point I was looking (last weekend), GL is the next-upcoming big thing, while Thor has been out for weeks and weeks, but DAMN, B&N! Wouldn't you think that people might still be interested in merchandise for a popular movie that is now in theaters? Not just in merchandise for a movie they haven't actually seen yet?

And speaking of which... there was no similarly-elaborate display related to Captain America. I guess the thing to do is go back to a B&N at the start of July, and see if all the GL stuff is gone and replaced by Cap stuff.

Or did Warner Bros/DC make some exclusive deal with B&N to promote the hell out of GL, and ignore the Marvel Studios movies?
Yeah I noticed that as well, I didn't even see any of the other movie books for Thor, tho I didn't ask and they didn't even offer the information on them.

[Rock Sexton]

Seriously, I'm getting the vibe that Cap's outfit is going to kick some serious arse on screen.

[peterparker0077]

Seriously, I'm getting the vibe that Cap's outfit is going to kick some serious arse on screen.

yep... I'm wondering what materials they'll make it out of...

[Vartha]

Seriously, I'm getting the vibe that Cap's outfit is going to kick some serious arse on screen.
I completely agree.
I didn't have any problem with the WWII costume tho. I still think that will Rock too.

[Vartha]

yep... I'm wondering what materials they'll make it out of...
Hope we get a high res of that poster soon to at least make a guess. lol

[TheVileOne]

I hope Cap's movie costume looks like that. It looks so much better. I can deal with this design since it has wings that are flat shaped but they are raised material similar to Spider-Man's webbing and emblem on the movie costume.

Also wings and exposed ears = greatness. Sick and tired of haters saying it looks stupid and Ultimates is better. Boo-urns to Ultimates!

[BoredGuy]

Think his costume looks amazing
but now those *****ing about the wings and whatnot last time will complain that the blue goes all the way down his arms
and the military emblems on the arms arent from the comic
and and...whatever... hes gunna be BA on screen...

And where's Merc, has he commented on this yet...?

[CB Fan]

That's not Black Widow from the animated series.

Widow does look just like Scarlett in that picture though. Was that intentional?

Yeah I know that's not how she looks in the animated series but its close to how I would like her costume to be as a matter of fact I think its the exact same suit from the movie just with gold gauntlets and belts.
And yeah I believe it was intentional because it came out after Iron Man 2 and it looks just like her same costume and facial features.

[Vartha]

Noticed something else on Thor's costume or actually the lack of. The under side of his Bracers are plan straps now, not full bracers.

[NickNitro]

Honestly if that is what Caps new outfit is going to be I am extremely excited! That concept looks FRIGGIN AWESOME! I love the embossed wings on the side and the red and white waste stripes :D

This movie is going to rock sooo hard its not going to even be funny.

:cap::thor::im::hulk:

[Whiskey Tango]

As for Capt's new suit... so.. to all those folks who said an accurate costume with wings on the helm and ears exposed would never translate well to film... still think so? I always said it could work if it's done right, and here is a clear example of it being done right.

They're not little raised wings, they're embossed, which is exactly the compromise we said would work in live action.

Maybe you said so, but a lot of people said they wouldn't work at all.

We still haven't seen it on film, so I suppose the debate can rage on.

[Parker Wayne]

I said that 3D wings wouldn't work in World War II. In present day, I don't care either way.

[chris moore]

Is it just me, or does it look like modern Cap has blue sleeves all the way down?

[jab1118]

We still haven't seen what the costume looks like in live action. This is the equivalent to that leaked concept art for the costume we have now. I thought that costume was gonna look much more modern then it does. The material makes a big difference. Also there were differences by the tine we saw the actual costume. However this design is very promising

[Tony Stark]

It makes sense to have a redesign when he's in the modern age. Even though his WWII outfit looks fine to me, in the movie verse, the characters (especially Tony) would view it as archaic.

The out fit looks sweet, and so does the new IM armor. I'm glad they went back to the circular ARC reactor. I've never been a fan of IM going to the Superman type shield shaped ARC.

They're definitely going for the Ultimate Hawkeye look. Makes sense, and I don't really have a problem with it. The film has to make some real world sense.

Scarlett's outfit was awesome to begin with, so no need for a change there.

[Spider-Vader]

I can see Hawkeye not wearing a costume at first. But after spending time with a guy in a tin can & a guy wearing a flag, I can see Clint wanting a costume too.

[TheVileOne]

I totally want a Hot Toys version of Avengers movie Captain America.

[captainrogers]

I do hope the design for Cap on that poster holds true for the look of Cap in the movie.
I remember some of the concept art for Cap from TFA also having exposed ears, and the computer renderings having the chin strap go under the chin (instead of on the chin in the final look), and the neck was NOT exposed and connected to the helmet/hood, and most of the movie toys also went with that design, rather than the final movie version.
Again, just thinking here, but I hope what I'm seeing is what we're getting.
Even if that gets minor tweaks, I'm sure it'll look badass.

[Tony Stark]

I'm sure that's it. They are already filming, and Tom Hiddleston tweeted a while back that he saw the group all dudded out (minus a CGI Hulk of course), and said they looked great together.

Cap's WWII outfit makes sense for that movie, but the promo costume makes a natural evolution of the costume, to what it would be like in modern day. Basically a kevlar style body suit.

[bubbadoom]

looks like Hulk got a hair cut - never liked the long haired look from TIH...

[Hotwire]

Why is Hulk naked in that new promo shot?

[BoredGuy]

^lolz

[KalMart]

http://i55.tinypic.com/fxw42a.jpg

[Spider-Vader]

It's not the official poster. You won't be seeing that in any theaters. Those images will be used on action figures & Dr. Peppers. Hence, why it debuted at the Marketing Expo or whatever.

[Ponyboy]

Avengers Fruit Loops?

[Superhero 101]

Or Fruity Pebbles

[conan69]

Im glad theyre redesigning Caps suit... it needed some tweaking.
I dont like Black Widows pose, but otherwise think its a pretty cool poster for a tease.

[KalMart]

It's not the official poster. You won't be seeing that in any theaters. Those images will be used on action figures & Dr. Peppers. Hence, why it debuted at the Marketing Expo or whatever.
Obviously. Otherwise...they'd be in some trouble if that was their 'movie' art..

Im glad theyre redesigning Caps suit... it needed some tweaking.
I dont like Black Widows pose, but otherwise think its a pretty cool poster for a tease.

It looks like the cover of a coloring book.

[TikkiEXX]

ya know ive seen a lot of people making fun of the art in that promo, but to me it looks a lot like the promos for Cap and Thor. i dont see what the big deal is honestly.

[Crimson King]

I think people misunderstood it as a movie poster instead of images that were meant for toy boxes.

[JAK®]

It looks like the cover of a coloring book.
Because chances are it will be the cover of a colouring book.

These are merchandising images. Why are people not getting this?

[marcvader]

Morons don't read

[Iron_Stark]

Morons don't read

:up:

[irapogi]

Morons don't read

this, so hard. people are a little TOO quick to judge.

anyways, i know generally people don't like the ultimates, but maybe having clint barton use reading glasses when he's not working/fighting, i think that's a nice touch. like he needs em to do everyday things. i dunno, its weird but i liked it.

[HULKFish]

Here's the full image... You can clearly see that HULK is wearing pants down on his leg. There seems to be a couple slightly modified versions of this floating around. Either way, I'm hyped!

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x144/HULKFish/tumblr_lmsdl1UJLe1ql5i2ao1_1280.jpg

[KalMart]

Because chances are it will be the cover of a colouring book.

These are merchandising images. Why are people not getting this?

I think most people do.

Otherwise...there'd probably be a lot more panic.

[jacobed]

Cap looks awesome. I really love that Hawkeye isnt using a compound bow, it makes his marksmanship even more impressive

[JAK®]

I think most people do.

Otherwise...there'd probably be a lot more panic.
I don't understand what's so bad about it even if it wasn't merchandising art.

[Ponyboy]

Or Fruity Pebbles

Fruity Pebbles don't make "O" shapes...

[KalMart]

I don't understand what's so bad about it even if it wasn't merchandising art.

It's not bad as typical toy-box/cereal art. But as any sort of teaser material for the movie, it looks like....well....toy-box/cereal art. It just has that cartoonish feel (which it's supposed to), instead of a more cinematic design that we associate more with movies. So it just depends on what someone is trying to draw from it....how is the movie going to look/feel like, or how is the children's merchandise going to look like.

[TheVileOne]

I feel like we won the battle here with this costume. Cap looks like he's wearing an actual mask instead of a doofy helmet. The helmet has wings that are sort of flat-ish, but the symbols are raised material from the mask which is good. And he's actually got the stripes on his abdomen now instead of straps.

[Parker Wayne]

There was no battle. :dry:

[TheVileOne]

There was the battle between the haters of classic costume elements and the common sensical people. And the haters that like the Ultimates costume trash.

[KalMart]

Wow :dry:





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