Star Wars 2.0

[Blackman]

Damn I never posted here before?


But yeah the Robot Chicken episode was funny

[Rain Dog]

The part that had me and my friends in tears was jar jar's bit near the end.

[spidey-dude]

You gotta look at as a kid's movie. Jar Jar is there for the kids, Anakin was made to look as innocent as possible. For the most part I can watch it with them and not get annoyed in fact I find the movie to be pretty fun throughout. What more can you ask for from a Star Wars movie you have a lot of great Jedi action including the amazing Darth Maul fight, you have a great underwater chase scene, a great podrace, the last act is like non stop action taking place in 3 different regions sometimes 4 not too mention we were introduced to Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan. How can you complain about any of that.
ye, the more i see it the more it grows on me and i overlook the little things that used to bug me really

wish they would cgi replace jake lloyd though

[Bim]

Robot Chicken tonight was :awesome::awesome::awesome::lmao::lmao::lmao::bow:
Daaaamn i totally forgot about it! :doh::argh::wall:

[Erzengel]

http://onceuponageek.com/images/sw_droids.jpg

[roach]

lmao

[Drizzle]

Robot Chicken Star Wars was great again. I loved anything that Boba Fett was in ("My face is shaped like a T!"), the Prune Face skit ("Prune Face got an action figure anyway") and the space gas station with Luke and the Wampa.

[Bim]

Ok i found it and watched it... i couldnt stop laughing with Robot Chicken :funny:. Fantastic episode for sure.

[Hellion]

I agree Episode 2 was not very good, it was too much of a romantic story which would be fine if it had worked but it didn't at all and way way way too much Anakin whining.

Episode II didn't pick up till Geonosis...and thats a good chunk/amount of time into the film

[Obi-Ron]

i see this thread is a circle...and we're back to complaining about the prequels

The circle is now complete :awesome:

[venom892]

Can anyone pm me a link to the Robot Chicken episode 3?

[Donut]

You know now that I think of it my whole life has been nothing but a bunch of what the **** moments

:woot:

[steintym]

Dang, I didn't realize there was another Star Wars episode of Robit Chicken. Guess I'll need to watch for that.

[Obi-Ron]

Neither did I...but I assume they'll make reference to it at the end of "It's a Trap."

[spidey-dude]

no they dont as far as I remember - they mock seth green alot though

[Bim]

Episode II didn't pick up till Geonosis...and thats a good chunk/amount of time into the film
I actually enjoyed all of the Obi-Wan goes out to investigate scenes too and of course his meeting with Jango Fett (who's way cooler than Boba...there, i said it!)... the asteroid field chase is one of my favorites "Blast! this is why i hate flying!":hehe:

[Doctor Jones]

I actually enjoyed all of the Obi-Wan goes out to investigate scenes too and of course his meeting with Jango Fett (who's way cooler than Boba...there, i said it!)... the asteroid field chase is one of my favorites "Blast! this is why i hate flying!":hehe:

SACRILEGE! :cmad:

:woot:

The only thing they had in common was that they died in an anti climatic way. I mean come on, Jango was smarter than constantly firing at a goddamn Jedi master and standing there.

[roach]

The circle is now complete :awesome:

Touche master jedi

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

The circle is now complete :awesome:

ITS THE CIRCLE OF LIFE!!!!.............wait wrong movie.....

[JTStarkiller]

"Party foul! You made me drink my spill! I mean.. you made me... ehhh, I'm gonna shoot you."

I'll never get tired of Breckin Meyer's Boba Fett.

[Hush]

It's A Trap was not that good and i expected it to be since the first two were so damn funny.

[Darkness Falls]

i thought it's a trap was pretty funny
i liked the reference to adding new characters into the special edition

[Hush]

Yeah but it just wasnt on the same level as the other two. Funny but really not that funny. Seth seems to re-use alot of jokes.

[Darkness Falls]

my only critisism was that nodding joke.....
it was long enough without them having to do it a 2nd time right after the first one ended

[Spider-Vader]

Robot Chicken was hilarious, not as good as the first but better than the second.


Is there anyway to watch the new FG episode online?

[Bim]

SACRILEGE! :cmad:

:woot:

The only thing they had in common was that they died in an anti climatic way. I mean come on, Jango was smarter than constantly firing at a goddamn Jedi master and standing there.
Hush u :oldrazz:. Well he couldnt be perfect lol

[Golgo-13]

By my request, my wife bought me season 2 of the Clones Wars series.

It's the fist time i've actually sat down and watched this series and i must say, i love it! On one hand i regret not watching it while it ran on tv, but on the flip side, i like that i can watch 3-4 episodes back to back at a time! I've just watched the first 3 eps, and the Bounty hunter 'Cad Bane' is awesome.

I asked for season 2 because i assumed it would be better than season one, since they'd be deeper into the war. I'm thinking about grabbing season 1 now; which season is better?

[blksuperman2]

Season 2 is better as a whole but there's no Ventress and very little Grievous. I'd still get season 1 too though.

[Golgo-13]

Oh, i'm a big fan of Asajj Ventress.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

Oh, i'm a big fan of Asajj Ventress.

Oh yeah, she(it, whatever that is) kicked ass in The Clone Wars (the series that came first, the one with short episodes)

[Bim]

I asked for season 2 because i assumed it would be better than season one, since they'd be deeper into the war. I'm thinking about grabbing season 1 now; which season is better?
I think the show has gotten increasingly better as time has gone by storywise and even with the animation, but season 1 is well worth the buy; there's some pretty cool episodes in it. I say get it anyways :cwink:

[Yodaman]

I got the Clone Wars season 2 blu-ray under the tree yesterday (:awesome:) but I have a question about it- does anyone know which episodes are extended editions? There is nothing on the DVD or in the packaging/booklet marking which episodes have extra shots or scenes attached to it like in the first season set. Or are these all the exact same as the original broadcast?

EDIT: Looked this up and apparently none of them are extended like on the first season set, but there's some deleted scenes hidden within some of the special features :o

[Golgo-13]

I just watched a few more eps, and the battle on Genosha along with the ep where Grievous has capture Jedi Master Koth, was off the hook!

I really liked the eps with Master Luminara and her padawan Barriss Offee. It's so cool seeing female force wielder's kick ass! Also it was a trip seeing Master Jocasta Nu, aka the Librarian wielding a saber, even if it really was a changeling!

I'm definitely grabbing season 1 now.

[CGHulk]

Did George Lucas change cinema with ‘Star Wars’ prequels?
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/12/26/did-george-lucas-change-cinema-with-star-wars-prequels/

[roach]

Did George Lucas change cinema with ‘Star Wars’ prequels?
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/12/26/did-george-lucas-change-cinema-with-star-wars-prequels/

wow...this article made me appreciate the Prequels even more

[Bim]

CGHulk, thanks for posting that. Indeed, very interesting stuff :woot:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I just found out that Natalie Portman is getting married and is expecting her first child. Funny how I just found that out moments after I got in the door after buying a heck of a load of sw action figures. lols. Well thats cool. Best of luck to Natalie.

[Asteroid-Man]

That article was amazing!

[Obi-Ron]

I just found out that Natalie Portman is getting married and is expecting her first child. Funny how I just found that out moments after I got in the door after buying a heck of a load of sw action figures. lols. Well thats cool. Best of luck to Natalie.

Dang, this could possibly hurt my chances. :csad:

[Doctor Jones]

Portman is getting married and having a child? That just ruined my day.

I got The Making of Empire Strikes back for X-Mas and I'm loving it so far. I didn't know or forgot that Joe Johnson created the look of Boba Fett. It's amazing how everything comes together in pre production. Leigh Brackett's script, bless her, was bad from what it read.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I just found out that Natalie Portman is getting married and is expecting her first child. Funny how I just found that out moments after I got in the door after buying a heck of a load of sw action figures. lols. Well thats cool. Best of luck to Natalie.

I saw that immediately after turning on the tv earlier... it shook me to my very core :(

[roach]

I just found out that Natalie Portman is getting married and is expecting her first child. Funny how I just found that out moments after I got in the door after buying a heck of a load of sw action figures. lols. Well thats cool. Best of luck to Natalie.

Is she having twins?:woot:

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Portman's also in a sex buddy romcom with Asshat Kutcher. :cmad::dry::csad:

[A Necessary Evil]

Is she having twins?:woot:

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

[Erzengel]

I got a Jedi bath robe for Christmas. I know you are all jealous.

[Golgo-13]

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

Yes, and they must be kept a secret.

[Obi-Ron]

I got a Jedi bath robe for Christmas. I know you are all jealous.

I totally am.

[DarKJediKnight]

Yes, and they must be kept a secret.

And they'll kiss each other when they grow up.

[blksuperman2]

And they'll kiss each other when they grow up.

lol, ......................wait................:barf:

[Silver Knight]

Any word on the live action tv show?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I have a Jedi robe :D


lol. Portman having twins... that would be... ironic since in ROTS, Padme gives birth to twins. hehe :p

[A Necessary Evil]

Yes, and they must be kept a secret.

:funny:


Who will they overthrow?! :oldrazz:

[Infinity9999x]

I have a Jedi robe :D



Speaking of Star Wars merchandise, I just got the force FX luke ROTJ saber, and I have the Anakin Force FX saber. If I get the darth one my skywalker saber collection will be complete.

[A Necessary Evil]

They still sell those? Where did you grab it?!

[XxDelta09xX]

I just found out that Natalie Portman is getting married and is expecting her first child. Funny how I just found that out moments after I got in the door after buying a heck of a load of sw action figures. lols. Well thats cool. Best of luck to Natalie.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!:cmad:

[CGHulk]

Robot Chicken Star Wars: Episode III now you can watch it online!
http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/robot-chicken-star-wars-episode-iii.html

[Golgo-13]

Will there be a season 3 of Clone Wars?

[roach]

Will there be a season 3 of Clone Wars?

We are in the middle of season 3

[Golgo-13]

We are in the middle of season 3

:up:

I'm going to wait until it's on dvd. Is it up to par with season 2?

[roach]

in my opinion it is...I think a few people didnt like the focus the last few episodes had on the political side of things but its been awesome so far

[Monsieur Xavier]

They still sell those? Where did you grab it?!

Yes they do. Check on online stores such as bigbadtoystore or even Amazon.
There is also a new version with a removable blade ( I am thinking of getting Vader's one ).

Master replicas lost the licence but Hasbro got it back ( at least for the saber ).

[gohei_]

I have the Vader one myself, bought it for myself as a christmas gift 2 years ago, awesome as hell. But you should check out those hyperblades or whatever they're called on youtube, they're the real deal.

[Monsieur Xavier]

I have the Vader one myself, bought it for myself as a christmas gift 2 years ago, awesome as hell. But you should check out those hyperblades or whatever they're called on youtube, they're the real deal.

I just checked the hyperblades store, out of stock. Also there is almost no detail on the hilt.

[roach]

Speaking of Star Wars merchandise, I just got the force FX luke ROTJ saber, and I have the Anakin Force FX saber. If I get the darth one my skywalker saber collection will be complete.

I have the Anakin one and the Mace Windu one

[gohei_]

I just checked the hyperblades store, out of stock. Also there is almost no detail on the hilt.

Yeah I don't think you even buy the hilt but only the blade and electronics? And you have to use a hilt from a FX replica or something similar. At least that was the case when I looked at the site, which was like a year ago or something.

[steintym]

I got the Making of The Empire Strikes Back book for Christmas. Looks awesome, can't wait to dive into it.

[Hellion]

I have a Jedi robe :D


lol. Portman having twins... that would be... ironic since in ROTS, Padme gives birth to twins. hehe :p


I want a Jedi robe :yay:

It was kinda expensive the last I checked...but I want a Wampa rug...have you guys seen it...I have to have it...

......I also wouldn't mind the Tauntaun sleeping bag......there's so many SW things I want...if I had the budget...

....thank goodness for my Jawa lawn gnome :woot:

[Bim]

Leigh Brackett's script, bless her, was bad from what it read.
Indeed. Lucas gave her credit anyways even though they changed her script, cool of him.

Silver Knight: live action show is postponed indefinitely :csad:

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Vader Force FX Master Replicas Episode V saber :up:

I don't remember the last time I turned it on, but it's still a cool trinket.

[spidey-dude]

just ordered clone wars series 1 and 2

hope its good!

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I've got Anakin's Force FX saber. I always wanted Maul's, but never got it.

[Golgo-13]

in my opinion it is...I think a few people didnt like the focus the last few episodes had on the political side of things but its been awesome so far

There's a few political eps in season 2. I don't mind them because they are an important part of the war too; i just don't like it when they have 2-3 eps of them back to back like that. They should mix them a little more in between the action orientated eps.

[jacobed]

The political episodes of late have been pretty boring but the few trailers they have released for the 2nd half prove that the rest of the season is going to be great. I watched all 6 movies on christmas eve on spiketv. Say what you want about how George has a tough time directing and writing love scenes but the man is easily one of the best ever at filming an action scene.

[Timstuff]

Real life politics are boring enough as it is. I don't really care about what backroom deals and such happen in a galaxy far far away unless it means there's going to be a lightsaber duel or lots of explosions. It's just exposition and filler that I don't really care about.

[Saved]

Real life politics are boring enough as it is. I don't really care about what backroom deals and such happen in a galaxy far far away unless it means there's going to be a lightsaber duel or lots of explosions. It's just exposition and filler that I don't really care about.
I like it, but it'd be better if they didn't spend half a season focussing on stricktly intergalactic politics.

[CGHulk]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

Star Wars sequel The Empire Strikes Back is to be preserved by the US Library of Congress as part of its National Film Registry.

[Darkness Falls]

as it should be :D

[Golgo-13]

Saw that on the news yesterday.

[craigdbfan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224

About time.

[steintym]

Very cool

[Bim]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12085224
Very cool :woot:. They also included Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB, made in 1967 by Lucas.

[Erzengel]

Speaking of Star Wars merchandise, I just got the force FX luke ROTJ saber, and I have the Anakin Force FX saber. If I get the darth one my skywalker saber collection will be complete.
I got the first Anakin FX saber, I think they improved on this one and Master Replica redid it.

I also got the Vader FX saber.

Then I got the Master Replica Vader one Episode IV.

Lastly, I got the Master Replica Han Solo Blaster Episode V.

I think I'm done with replicas unless I got a great deal. I'd want the thermal detonator, Boba Fett blaster or tops on my list is the Stormtrooper blaster.

[War Party]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/

[spidey-dude]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/

not really a fan of those to be honest, way too jumbled for my liking, trying to get too much in, it misses the elegance of star wars

[chaseter]

Ahhh I'm a school girl again!

[War Party]

not really a fan of those to be honest, way too jumbled for my liking, trying to get too much in, it misses the elegance of star wars

That's the beauty of a Stout poster. He fits the entire movie in one poster and you can just find something new every time you look at it. But you're entitled to your opinion of course.

[chaseter]

Plus it would be lame to redo the original posters.

[War Party]

I been very underwhelmed by this entire Star Wars series from Mondo, but this and the Moss prints are just beyond fantastic. Ansin did a really good one too.

[spidey-dude]

That's the beauty of a Stout poster. He fits the entire movie in one poster and you can just find something new every time you look at it. But you're entitled to your opinion of course.

I have enjoyed some of his other posters - but I just dont feel it works as well for star wars - plus i find his work gets a bit "samey" after a while

[spidey-dude]

Plus it would be lame to redo the original posters.

who ever said anything about redoing the originals!?

[chaseter]

Tyler does movie posters. You said that these posters are too convoluted and overstate the elegance of the movies. So the only other option would be to subtract characters and that would mimic the originals too closely because you have to keep the core characters. I promise, these will sell out instantly and jump in value 2-10 times their original cost within a couple of hours.

[spidey-dude]

you can have creativity and have an elegant poster which looks nothing like the originals, i mean take empire - the original poster is one of my fav movie posters and an elegant affair, as is struzans 1997 special edition empire poster

the two however are nothing alike

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/22/2268/DTSZD00Z/posters/star-wars-the-empire-strikes-back.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-pNgn1D23sA/Sek8tx41_II/AAAAAAAAACo/DDxZQ3LmDo8/s400/star_wars5+the+empire+strikes+back+poster.jpg

I just dont feel these convoluted (well drawn though) posters capture the essence of the films as a great poster (again imo) should


edit : for example here is a recent empire poster, which keeps the elegance of star wars but looks nothing like other empire posters
http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mondo_star_wars_empire_strikes_back_poster_olly_mo ss_01-399x600.jpg

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

[/URL][URL="http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/"]Stay still (http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/)

[Hellion]

[/URL][URL="http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/"]Stay still (http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/)

I saw that a good while ago somewhere......pretty pricey but I wouldn't mind having it...

[Speedball]

not really a fan of those to be honest, way too jumbled for my liking, trying to get too much in, it misses the elegance of star wars

I'm not a fan either. There's way too much going on. It's nice that he can fit the whole film in a poster, but it is just not aesthetically pleasing to me at all.
It does miss the elegance of posters such as the Anakin with a Vader shadow one or the one of Anakin for Episode III where his robe looks like Vader's mask.

More recently, there has been a lot of minimalist art coming out for EVERYTHING, and it usually doesn't work, but for Star Wars it does.

[Erzengel]

I'd spend $50 for the regular edition of the Stout one. :up: I like it better than the variant.

[chaseter]

edit : for example here is a recent empire poster, which keeps the elegance of star wars but looks nothing like other empire posters
http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mondo_star_wars_empire_strikes_back_poster_olly_mo ss_01-399x600.jpg

I am huge into art prints. What Stout did is amazing work. His detail work is stunning and his ability to fit an entire movie onto a silkscreen print is amazing. While it may be convoluted, it tells the entire story.

I also own the Olly Moss set, that is one of which you posted a pic:awesome:

[spidey-dude]

I am huge into art prints. What Stout did is amazing work. His detail work is stunning and his ability to fit an entire movie onto a silkscreen print is amazing. While it may be convoluted, it tells the entire story.

I also own the Olly Moss set, that is one of which you posted a pic:awesome:

each to their own, I just find alot of his posters to be too similar, and find the crammed look unpleasing to the eye

The Moss set is fantastic, im a fan

there are a surprisingly low amount of fan made star wars posters (or perhaps im just not looking in the right places)

[chaseter]

Acme Archives usually does Star Wars art. Mondo in Austin, TX getting the license from George to do 20 prints was very surprising to the print community.

Check out expressobeans.com. It is a great art resource board.

[Golgo-13]

Is the current Clone Wars cartoon in the same continuity as the previous Clone Wars cartoon by Genndy Tartakovsky? I ask because in the Tartakovsky cartoon, Grevious gets his cough from Mace Windu as he's kidnapping Palpatine, and that leads into the EP III movie; but i see in the current Clone Wars cartoon, season 2, that Grevious is already coughing, despite those events not happening as of yet.... :confused:

[Doctor Jones]

That's the troubled thing. I still think they do though. Although the novel Laybrinth of Evil also clashes with the finale of the Tartakovsky series.

Since that finale of the cartoon ends minutes before ROTS starts up.

[Yodaman]

Gendy Clone Wars is considered expanded universe, so everything in it can be considered canon unless something directly from Lucasfilm or George contradicts it. Because the new animated series is covering the exact same time period as the Gendy show, you can pretty much consider all of Gendy completely rejected (canon-wise).

I can see the new series definitely doing their own thing with the events leading up to ROTS (possibly having the Battle of Coruscant be the series finale?)

[Golgo-13]

On the ROTS commentary, either Lucas or Rick McCallum, acknowledges that Grevious gets his cough from the Tartakovsky series; take that as you will.

[XxDelta09xX]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/

I'm digging these posters!:woot:

[Saved]

On the ROTS commentary, either Lucas or Rick McCallum, acknowledges that Grevious gets his cough from the Tartakovsky series; take that as you will.
That's what makes Grevious's 'asthma' in Star Wars: Clone Wars all the more peculiar...and confusing.

[venom892]

[/URL][URL="http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/"]Stay still (http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/)Wouldn't mind having it but I never will.Way out of my price range.Also Love those posters that were posted earlier.

[redhawk23]

So I've heard that Attack of the Clones was the first feature leangth film, shot with HD digital cameras, considering how much more prevalent that is becoming, with the use of the RED and other cameras and also with the all the 3d filming which if I'm not mistaken is done digitially, thats a legacy ith Lucas is not getting enough credit for.

Also annoyingness aside, Jar Jar Binks looks pretty damn good for being made in the late 90s.

[steintym]

So I've heard that Attack of the Clones was the first feature leangth film, shot with HD digital cameras, considering how much more prevalent that is becoming, with the use of the RED and other cameras and also with the all the 3d filming which if I'm not mistaken is done digitially, thats a legacy ith Lucas is not getting enough credit for.

Also annoyingness aside, Jar Jar Binks looks pretty damn good for being made in the late 90s.

Because he was a pretty annoying character and hated by almost everyone, this is so overlooked. Jar Jar does look really good, pretty impressive and holds up fairly well.

[O_B_Juan]

Because he was a pretty annoying character and hated by almost everyone, this is so overlooked. Jar Jar does look really good, pretty impressive and holds up fairly well.

I bet they 3-D his tongue when the films are 3-Derized!

[Donut]

Wouldn't mind having it but I never will.Way out of my price range.Also Love those posters that were posted earlier.

They can always show that near the Series Finale. Ending right where Revenge Of The Sith begins ?

[spidey-dude]

so got the dvds today and watched a few eps


does the animation get better?? some characters seem a bit wooden...

[roach]

so got the dvds today and watched a few eps


does the animation get better?? some characters seem a bit wooden...

yes

[Doctor Jones]

So I've heard that Attack of the Clones was the first feature leangth film, shot with HD digital cameras, considering how much more prevalent that is becoming, with the use of the RED and other cameras and also with the all the 3d filming which if I'm not mistaken is done digitially, thats a legacy ith Lucas is not getting enough credit for.

Also annoyingness aside, Jar Jar Binks looks pretty damn good for being made in the late 90s.

Because the prequels are the worst movies ever don't you know? :whatever:

[Doctor Jones]

I watched this cool biography on Lucas on A&E. I didn't know how much of a great family man Lucas is. As much as I love the guy I always assumed he was more quiet with his kids. But I saw some clips of home movies where he's actually a very good father and fun. He said when he first saw his adoptive daughter for the first time, making movies weren't the most important thing to him anymore.

You gotta feel for the guy. His wife left him for another man taking half his money and leaving him to raise their daughter on his own.

[roach]

I watched this cool biography on Lucas on A&E. I didn't know how much of a great family man Lucas is. As much as I love the guy I always assumed he was more quiet with his kids. But I saw some clips of home movies where he's actually a very good father and fun. He said when he first saw his adoptive daughter for the first time, making movies weren't the most important thing to him anymore.

You gotta feel for the guy. His wife left him for another man taking half his money and leaving him to raise their daughter on his own.

doesnt she write a few episodes of Clone Wars...I cant imagine a woman leaving him...who has more money than him???

[venom892]

I could have sworn once I heard that during the OT Lucas was so involved in everything that she felt neglected.Wouldn't be surprised it that was true.

[Bim]

so got the dvds today and watched a few eps


does the animation get better?? some characters seem a bit wooden...
Totally. I think both the story and the animation have come a long way since season 1.

[spidey-dude]

ah thank god

its not awful animation but at times its just a bit wooden which annoys me

I am up to the episode where ventress frees nute gunray

pretty good so far

[GoblinWhirlwind]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/

ROTJ poster is my fav :up:

Stay still (http://collider.com/star-wars-frames-book/66201/)

Saw this a week or two ago... pretty amazing set but I don't think I could bring myself to spend that much on books.

[Bim]

Saw this a week or two ago... pretty amazing set but I don't think I could bring myself to spend that much on books.
Indeed. I'm a huge SW books fan and i've done my fair share of crazy spending, but this is a bit too much for me lol

[The Caped Knight]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/mcnail/OMG4/starwars_regular2.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/mcnail/OMG4/empire_regular2.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/mcnail/OMG4/jedi_regular2.jpg

:wow: Oh Wow these are awesome, Return of The Jedi is my favorite of the three .

[Doctor Jones]

I could have sworn once I heard that during the OT Lucas was so involved in everything that she felt neglected.Wouldn't be surprised it that was true.

Yeah, that was the reason. He said that he wasn't there enough to spend time with her. A shame. She was a good looking woman and they did seem in love.

[Yodaman]

On the subject of posters... I really REALLY hope that they make a new series of professional art posters for the 3D rereleases of the films. I just had a horrible image of a lenticular poster with two podracers coming towards you with goofy titles reading "STAR WARS IN 3D"

And please no ****** "floating heads" photoshop hack job either.

[CGHulk]

New Star Wars posters from Tyler Stout!
http://omgposters.com/2010/12/29/tyler-stouts-star-wars-posters-onsale-info/
Wow this guy is really good a tracing. :p

Most people don't know but Drew Struzan did tracing too.

[spidey-dude]

drew struzans ends up looking really good though - he knows composition

[Golgo-13]

As cool as those posters are above, composition wise, they are pretty messy.....

[Erzengel]

I'm keeping a track of the mondo site hoping to score the Empire poster. :up:

[Ipodman]

I just read a Carrie Fisher quote in a magazine where she admits she didnt like Return of the Jedi but liked the metal bikini and wished she could still fit into it :dry:

[War Party]

Geez, Star Wars fans are rough on Stout.

[chaseter]

Good, more for me.

[Erzengel]

Chase if you get the Empire poster and I don't. I'm going to wound your inner child.

[War Party]

I got all three!

[Erzengel]

Already sold out. :down

[War Party]

Pretty pumped I got both Moss and Stout sets. Can't wait to frame these.

[Donut]

How long is The Clone Wars supposed to last any way ? I love the show but we know how it all turns out

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

What I love most about the TESB poster is that is has the Chimperor on it.

[Doctor Jones]

Those posters aren't that great. I don't get why people love them so much.

[War Party]

I'm a fan of the artist in general. So it makes sense I will geek out over it and want it. His Robocop and Let The Right One In posters are just brilliant. These aren't his best work but I think they're really good. I just love that the whole movie is on the poster. And he puts all these nice little things you don't notice the first couple of times in there and out of no where realize they're there when you just give it a quick glance.

[Golgo-13]

How long is The Clone Wars supposed to last any way ? I love the show but we know how it all turns out

I think the time between EPII and EPIII is 3 years. I'm curious as to what becomes of Asoka.

[Bim]

On the subject of posters... I really REALLY hope that they make a new series of professional art posters for the 3D rereleases of the films. I just had a horrible image of a lenticular poster with two podracers coming towards you with goofy titles reading "STAR WARS IN 3D"

And please no ****** "floating heads" photoshop hack job either.
I dunno, it would be weird to see new posters... but there's potential for great things if they do go for new ones though.

[Octoberist]

I'M SO HAPPY

http://www.slashfilm.com/watch-red-letter-medias-review-revenge-sith/

[Timstuff]

His reviews are terribly overrated, but unfortunately, me critiquing them in-depth is going down the unholy road of providing feedback of feedback, so I will not. If you want you can destroy any movie by nitpicking through all the tiny continuity errors and mistakes. We get the point, you hate the prequels. Just take a deep breath and move on. I find it amazing that people will denounce the prequels so thoroughly and then go and watch a feature-length review dwelling in the anger that the movie has caused them. It's one thing to watch a 5 minute review poking fun at something, but why would you spend 90 minutes ripping open old wounds when you could use that same time to watch a movie you actually like? All that negative emotion can't be healthy.

[A Necessary Evil]

I'M SO HAPPY

http://www.slashfilm.com/watch-red-letter-medias-review-revenge-sith/

OMG MOAR PREQUEL BASHING JUST WHAT TEH INTERNETS NEEDED
:dry:

[Timstuff]

On the subject of posters... I really REALLY hope that they make a new series of professional art posters for the 3D rereleases of the films. I just had a horrible image of a lenticular poster with two podracers coming towards you with goofy titles reading "STAR WARS IN 3D"

And please no ****** "floating heads" photoshop hack job either.

This poster looks pretty cool:

xiNlJnMweZg

[Timstuff]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpg

[A Necessary Evil]

Okay that is amazing :up:

[roach]

His reviews are terribly overrated, but unfortunately, me critiquing them in-depth is going down the unholy road of providing feedback of feedback, so I will not. If you want you can destroy any movie by nitpicking through all the tiny continuity errors and mistakes. We get the point, you hate the prequels. Just take a deep breath and move on. I find it amazing that people will denounce the prequels so thoroughly and then go and watch a feature-length review dwelling in the anger that the movie has caused them. It's one thing to watch a 5 minute review poking fun at something, but why would you spend 90 minutes ripping open old wounds when you could use that same time to watch a movie you actually like? All that negative emotion can't be healthy.

or since they have the means and opportunity why not make a film of their own.

[Erzengel]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpg
Dude that's pretty amazing. :up:

[Justkidding]

or since they have the means and opportunity why not make a film of their own.
Well... the Red Letter Media did.

I like the reviews. I'm not a fan of Star Wars in any way possible, so I find a lot of the complaints to be pretty dead on.

And the usual response of, "Well you can do this to any movie!" is very true, as there are many bad movies out there, which the guy has also done, especially with the Star Trek films. Which are pretty spot on as well. So it's not like this is a oneway street, he attacks both fandoms and the merits of both sides films.

[venom892]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpgThat's beautiful!

[Obi-Ron]

there are many bad movies out there, which the guy has also done, especially with the Star Trek films. Which are pretty spot on as well. So it's not like this is a oneway street, he attacks both fandoms and the merits of both sides films.

To which I can only say to Red Letter Media:

http://home.earthlink.net/~ronsuploads/getalife.gif

100 minutes of crying about a movie. :rolleyes: What an ass.

[Bim]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpg
I hope they dont touch that duel at all, but this looks pretty cool :woot:

[chaseter]

Chase if you get the Empire poster and I don't. I'm going to wound your inner child.

I got all three:awesome::boba:

[Doctor Jones]

I finished the Making of Empire Strikes Back. It was fantastic. I feel pretty bad for the SFX team who only had so long to finish up.

And the filming sounded like a *****. Six months and over 50 days over schedule and over budget. I knew of those things but not in such detail.

[Golgo-13]

Most successful films, usually have a nightmare-ish production ala Jaws.

[Doctor Jones]

And A New Hope and Apocalypse Now.

16 months filming Apocalypse Now? I would kill myself.

[bullets]

It's one thing to watch a 5 minute review poking fun at something, but why would you spend 90 minutes ripping open old wounds when you could use that same time to watch a movie you actually like? All that negative emotion can't be healthy.


I think laughter is the best medicine and Plinkett is hilarious. It's kind of like Kevin Smith's jokes about Lord Of The Rings . I loved those films but still found it funny. It just depends if you like the reviewer or not . I just don't take it too seriously .

[Bunker]

Roger Ebert - "I was mistaken"

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/revenge-on-revenge-of-the-sith.html

Plinkett is amazing.

[Bunker]

If you want you can destroy any movie by nitpicking through all the tiny continuity errors and mistakes.

You obviously didn't watch the review.

[A Necessary Evil]

Man I guess its great that ebert says that the movie is bad because he has totally been on the ball the past 6 or so years anyways........

[A Necessary Evil]

anyone that has the money, feel free to send me some! :wow::wow: :awesome::awesome::awesome:


http://www.museumreplicas.com/g-1-star-wars.aspx

[Timstuff]

You obviously didn't watch the review.

I watched about 45 minutes of the first one and that was enough for me. I am not particularly obliged to watch more than that when I can spend the time doing something I actually enjoy.

[craigdbfan]

Going to watch Part 3 of Plinkett's ROTS review.

So far its ****ing hilarious as always. Do I still have fun watching the prequels? Yeah they aren't the greatest films but they are good time killers for whenever TV is dead and they are playing them on Spike.

These reviews IMO are spot on when it comes to the major flaws of the prequels though.

[CGHulk]

http://savestarwars.com/

[roach]

I watched about 45 minutes of the first one and that was enough for me. I am not particularly obliged to watch more than that when I can spend the time doing something I actually enjoy.

Why do people need to watch a review of a movie they have already seen...?

[Sam Fisher]

http://savestarwars.com/
Here we go agian:facepalm:

[roach]

maybe this thread should be retitled George Lucas and Jar Jar Binks raped my childhood


geezus xhrist people..I for one would like to have a Star Wars discussion without having to listen to someone B and M about the prequels. Yes we get it you dont like them...but dwelling on something you dont like is not healthy. I dont like cabbage...I dont go on and on forever badmouthing cabbage or coming up with reason after reason on why cabbage is bad...I just dont eat it.

[Gamma Ray]

If the originals weren't so good, nobody would complain. That's why it's so devastating to some people. Lucas' laziness and overall disregard for everything that came before the prequels is a slap in the face.

People have found solace in these reviews. Instead of "*****ing and moaning" about their "*****ing and moaning", let them vent and enjoy the humor that they are able to gain out of a very unfortunate series of movies.

[roach]

If the originals weren't so good, nobody would complain. That's why it's so devastating to some people. Lucas' laziness and overall disregard for everything that came before the prequels is a slap in the face.

People have found solace in these reviews. Instead of "*****ing and moaning" about their "*****ing and moaning", let them vent and enjoy the humor that they are able to gain out of a very unfortunate series of movies.

TPM came out in 1999
AOTC came out in 2002
ROTS came out in 2005

it is now 2011 if people still need solace from these movies then professional help is needed. People want to vent then go see a shrink.
My anger stems from the fact that we have to stop a discussion about Clone Wars or another product to hear someone complaining about a 10 year old movie.Are we gonna hear about Jar Jar for another 10 years??? At what point do people just let it go and move on with their lives?

[The Caped Knight]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpg
Wicked :woot:

[roach]

I had too much coffee last night so I decided to make a concept painting for a hypothetical alternate / extended Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6047/obiwanvsvader01copy.jpg

it is sweet

[Golgo-13]

TPM came out in 1999
AOTC came out in 2002
ROTS came out in 2005

it is now 2011 if people still need solace from these movies then professional help is needed. People want to vent then go see a shrink.
My anger stems from the fact that we have to stop a discussion about Clone Wars or another product to hear someone complaining about a 10 year old movie.Are we gonna hear about Jar Jar for another 10 years??? At what point do people just let it go and move on with their lives?

Jar Jar is in the Clone Wars series, and is just as annoying as he was in the movies. And this is the SW thread, so all things SW should allowed to be discussed. Consideing that the movies are the biggest influence of the SW universe, i'm actually surprised that you're surprised that they are constantly bought up here. :huh:

[Timstuff]

It's very disruptive to the thread, though. It's always the same arguments, and I'd wager that most people in this thread don't want to go through them again. The only thing that Redletter Media's reviews have managed to accomplish is to successfully rip old wounds back open and re-ignite some of the bitterness between fans that for the most part had relaxed over the years. The ammount of attention his reviews have gotten is certainly impressive, but I don't think the that the effect it's had on the fandom has been a positive one.

It's one of those "just when you thought it was safe to talk about Star Wars again, a new RLM review comes out." I'm just glad that this is probably his last one because if I have to hear my brother yak about how amazing his reviews are one more time I think I might pop.

[Gamma Ray]

Well I don't want to talk about the stupid TV show, and you're not the one who decides what people talk about in this thread. It's called Star Wars thread.

[A Necessary Evil]

"omg prequelz were so bad lols like rly. Made spideurman3 look masterpece lets complain for lyke 12 years about them lollzzz"

[Donut]

anyone that has the money, feel free to send me some! :wow::wow: :awesome::awesome::awesome:


http://www.museumreplicas.com/g-1-star-wars.aspx

Bad ass

[Timstuff]

If the originals weren't so good, nobody would complain. That's why it's so devastating to some people. Lucas' laziness and overall disregard for everything that came before the prequels is a slap in the face.

There are two things people need to understand:

1) The prequels aren't as many fans claim they are

2) The originals are overrated

That is not to say that the prequels don't have major flaws or that the originals are not spectacular milestones of cinema, but it does mean that the fanbase has a lot of bias in how they view both. We grew up watching the originals so we are more forgiving of the flaws they have. With the prequels, they had to live up to a lifetime of expectations from watching the original trilogy. People take the very worst of what's in the prequels and compare it to the very best of what was in the originals, because the prequels are not protected in a blanket of nostalgia.

If you look at what people who have seen the movies in canological order rather than production order, their opinions are quite a bit different from those who say that the prequels are vastly inferior to the original trilogy. Adults tend to say that they're all fairly consistent in quality, except that Jar Jar was annoying and Episode IV is boring. Kids seem to enjoy all 6 episodes equally, though I'm sure as they grow older they'll all have their own opinions about which one is their favorite. When you remove nostalgia from the equation, the overall perception of the films' quality shifts dramatically.

And yes, I know that RLM's reviews spent 90 minutes each tearing the prequels apart, but that's because the thesis of the reviews is to prove why the prequels suck, not prove why they are good. If his reviews were a fair, unbaised look at the prequels then people wouldn't think they were funny, and no-one would even care that they exist.

Also, in regards to some peoples' claim that Lucas has an obligation to the public to release the unaltered original trilogy in the format of their preference-- that is a load of BS. If you actually believe that Star Wars is owned by the public, then that means it's the responsibility of the people who want the original versions in a new format to produce them, not Lucas's. You can't claim that a commodity is the right of the public and then demand that a private entity produce it for you. In fact, there are plenty of fans who have practiced what they preach and made their own DVDs and Blu-Rays of the theatrical films with sources ranging from laser discs to the film reels themselves. At least they actually did something instead of making claims about a right to have their cake and eat it too.

[roach]

Well I don't want to talk about the stupid TV show, and you're not the one who decides what people talk about in this thread. It's called Star Wars thread.

by all means continue to blast a movie 10 years later or applaud someone who took the funniest comments on AICN and put it in a video

[Golgo-13]

The irony here is that those not wanting to bring up the films, or the prequels are talking about just that. :dry:

[Doctor Jones]

I think we need Carmine Falcone in here to actually give an actual perspective on the originals. Becuase people treat them like they're perfect, but really, there just as about as "bad" in regard as the prequels. Carmine's review of them puts good perspective on them. Unbiased eyes. We're all surrounded and accustomed by the love for the OT and have grown up with them for years. He didn't grow up with them, didn't see them when he was achild, he sees them all now as they are.

Chewbacca is just a guy who howls and hollars. He is naked.
It isn't Ford's best
Boba Fett is a glorified cameo
Luke writhing his face around when he finds out Vader is his father and screaming perhaps the most cliched line in film
All the insulting nick names are pretty corny
Alec Guiness isn't really trying
Luke whines
C-3PO can't shut the hell up
The dialogue flat in areas
For the love of God get over it, as innovative as the SFX were, they don't hold up very well today.

Now these all get passes because we grew up with them and because "They were executed better" But really, when you take the biased glasses off and look at them as if you were seeing them for the first time, (which is difficult to do for us, even me, because we are so lost in the magic and are so used to it) they're cheesy movies with a good story and with great moments at best.

But we still love it. It's hard not to all these years and our growth. Nothing wrong with that. But I respect the hell out of and admire Carmine's views.

And you know what? I don't see Carmine in here talking about how much he dislikes them. He watched them once and probably having no intention in seeing them again.

People here are bringing up films from 12 to 9 to 6 years ago. Carmine watched them a few months ago and I haven't seen a single post in here from him.

So what is the ****ing point in coming in here and bringing them up to remind us why you hate them so much.

Chas said a great thing on the Spider-Man boards (I'm paraphrasing):

"Hey, I ate at a restaurant and hated the food so I'm going to come back in the restaurant and sit at the table and talk about how much I hated the food."

[bullets]

The irony here is that those not wanting to bring up the films, or the prequels are talking about just that. :dry:



Exactly

[Doctor Jones]

It's not that, it's the constant reminder of why they hate them which we've heard a billion times. It adds nothing to the discussion accept redundancy.

"Yeah, I'm gonna post a remind people how much I don't like the prequels and I'm gonna keep talking about them since I hate them. Because I just like to talk about something I hate."

[The Caped Knight]

IMO The Original trilogy had more heart and soul with the characters than the prequel trilogy. I watched all six films in order and The Original trilogy still shines brightly as a sparkling jewel.

[gohei_]

anyone that has the money, feel free to send me some! :wow::wow: :awesome::awesome::awesome:


http://www.museumreplicas.com/g-1-star-wars.aspx


Man I would love to have that yellow jacket. :wow:

[roach]

We are not saying you cant talk about the prequels...its just that you are saying the same thing people have been saying for the past 10 years. There is no new gripe recently discovered. This is the only Star Wars thread and I hate to see it turn into a hate thread where people start nit picking minute details.

[Doctor Jones]

I think the soul problem is that people put the originals on too high of a pedastal at times.

[roach]

I think the soul problem is that people put the originals on too high of a pedastal at times.

agreed

[DarknessOfDeath]

I think the soul problem is that people put the originals on too high of a pedastal at times.

agreed

Second this

[roach]

I got into a discussion with my cinematography teacher over this. For all over the problems people have with the prequels if they looked at the OT with the same critical eye they'd see the same problems.

[DarknessOfDeath]

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[Gamma Ray]

by all means continue to blast a movie 10 years later or applaud someone who took the funniest comments on AICN and put it in a video

Will do, chief. But not because you said I should.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?!?!?!?

[Happy Jack]

IMO The Original trilogy had more heart and soul with the characters than the prequel trilogy. I watched all six films in order and The Original trilogy still shines brightly as a sparkling jewel.
That and they, you know, have a coherent plot and structure. Nobody is saying they're perfect, only that they're just much better made films.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Chewbacca is just a guy who howls and hollars. He is naked.

If he could survive on Hoth without jacket, does he really need clothes?

All the insulting nick names are pretty corny
I have no idea what you're talking about.

C-3PO can't shut the hell up
He knows six million ways of communication. Of course he's going to be talkative. Plus, he's a great counterpart for someone like Han Solo, who doesn't wanna hear it.

"I'm not really interested in your opinion, Threepio."

[Blackman]

I think we need Carmine Falcone in here to actually give an actual perspective on the originals. Becuase people treat them like they're perfect, but really, there just as about as "bad" in regard as the prequels. Carmine's review of them puts good perspective on them. Unbiased eyes. We're all surrounded and accustomed by the love for the OT and have grown up with them for years. He didn't grow up with them, didn't see them when he was achild, he sees them all now as they are.

Chewbacca is just a guy who howls and hollars. He is naked.
It isn't Ford's best
Boba Fett is a glorified cameo
Luke writhing his face around when he finds out Vader is his father and screaming perhaps the most cliched line in film
All the insulting nick names are pretty corny
Alec Guiness isn't really trying
Luke whines
C-3PO can't shut the hell up
The dialogue flat in areas
For the love of God get over it, as innovative as the SFX were, they don't hold up very well today.

Now these all get passes because we grew up with them and because "They were executed better" But really, when you take the biased glasses off and look at them as if you were seeing them for the first time, (which is difficult to do for us, even me, because we are so lost in the magic and are so used to it) they're cheesy movies with a good story and with great moments at best.

Motherf***ing truth

I like the Star Wars films alot but people act like they are the pinnacle of film making. Most of the complaints towards the prequels can be applied to the originals

[Golgo-13]

Time will tell i suppose. I remember when the ESB was released. There was so much buzz around it because of the meg hit that was Star Wars. I remember the critics and GE ripped it to shreds, basically saying it didn't live up to the original. Now, years later, ESB is considered the best in the entire series, by most critics and fans alike.....

[Doctor Jones]

Fan wise? I'm sure it could stay the same. As the fans now will teach their children to hate them. But hopefully it disapears.

I'll be sure to show my kids the originals first, but I'll show them the prequels too. Then I'll let them make their decision.

[Doctor Jones]

If he could survive on Hoth without jacket, does he really need clothes?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

He knows six million ways of communication. Of course he's going to be talkative. Plus, he's a great counterpart for someone like Han Solo, who doesn't wanna hear it.

"I'm not really interested in your opinion, Threepio."

That was a constant complaint from the crew. Even MQaurrie questioned it. I love Chewie, but when you think about it, he waves his arms and hollars where for some reason, Han can understand what he's saying based off of the same noises. It's silly.

"You stuck up, half witted, scruffy looking nerf herder!"

There's reasoning behind it sure. It doesn't make it any less annoying to a person watching it.

[roach]

Will do, chief. But not because you said I should.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?!?!?!?

are you referring to my profile pic?

I am currently in film school and took the pics for photography class. That is me as a ninja and I composed the shot so that half the pic is in light and the other is in shadow.

[Golgo-13]

Fan wise? I'm sure it could stay the same. As the fans now will teach their children to hate them. But hopefully it disapears.

I'll be sure to show my kids the originals first, but I'll show them the prequels too. Then I'll let them make their decision.

The 'I am your father' line in ESB doesn't have the same impact it had because of the sequels.

[Doctor Jones]

Pop culture also ruined the line.

It was always meant to be six films. Lucas even said this when ESB was released. It was going to be called Episode V but they didn't do it because it would confuse people. That was a revelation that can only have an impact at one point in time. Those people were lucky they experienced it.

[roach]

that line loses its impact when you dont have 3 years to ponder if its true or not

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

That was a constant complaint from the crew. Even MQaurrie questioned it. I love Chewie, but when you think about it, he waves his arms and hollars where for some reason, Han can understand what he's saying based off of the same noises. It's silly.

People talk to animals all the time, even though the animals really only understand a few key words, like their names and actions, along with gestures. Chewbacca was based off of a dog, after all. Maybe Han was just hearing what he thought Chewbacca was saying and vice versa. They've been together so long that perhaps there's just a mutual understanding between the two.

And if you don't buy that, it's Star Wars. There's a 900 year old backwards-talking midget pointing at spacecrafts and lifting them out of swamps. You just go along with it.

[Bim]

I got into a discussion with my cinematography teacher over this. For all over the problems people have with the prequels if they looked at the OT with the same critical eye they'd see the same problems.
I have to agree. People say Anakin is whiny and annoying in the PT, but have they looked at Luke in the OT? :hehe:. I think the OT get away with a lot because most of us saw it in our younger years, when we werent as tainted and critical as we are now as adults.

[Thebumwhowalks]

I think the OT get away with a lot because most of us saw it in our younger years, when we werent as tainted and critical as we are now as adults.

Well, that's not the case for me, and I grew up with the OT, i look at them purely as films, and the prequels are not in the same league as the ot, taken as a trilogies, films, pieces of art, imo of course.

oh, and as for Luke's writhing face, i think he had plenty to writh about in that scene, I thought Hammill was great in that scene.

[Yodaman]

One of the guests on a Forcecast episode a while back made a great point about the "I am your father" revelation in regards to the prequels. If a kid who's too young to have been exposed to a lot of pop culture is shown the Star Wars movies in chronological order, he (or she) will very likely make the connection that Luke is Anakin's son when they start watching A New Hope. The suspense they'll get when watching episodes 4 and 5 will be about wondering when, or if, Vader is going tell Luke that he's his father. The line will still probably come as a shock to the kid because it's so unexpected and dramatic. Even if you know the connection between them, the line still comes out of nowhere. The line is still kind of a shocker for them, just not in the same way it was for the pre-prequels crowd.

[spidey-dude]

always liked star wars and never liked luke. he IS just as whiny as anakin if not more so

[Golgo-13]

always liked star wars and never liked luke. he IS just as whiny as anakin if not more so

Yeah, Luke did whine alot but Hamill's acting which is superior to Haydens, helps make Luke's more tolerable. Hayden comes off as whiney in every movie he's in. He looks good doing action, but man, why did Lucas cast the one person that's focal point of the entire PT, so poorly? He has the look yes, but not the chops. I still salivate at the thought at Jonathan Rhys Meyers take on the role of Anankin; he was rumored to be Lucas' second pick.

[CGHulk]

The irony here is that those not wanting to bring up the films, or the prequels are talking about just that. :dry:

Bada Bing!

[Jochimus]

I have to admit, I thought Luke was a bit hyper in the first movie, and too whiny in the second one. I liked him in "Jedi", though.

[roach]

this is why I love Jedi above Empire. Luke becomes a bad ass in it

[The Caped Knight]

never liked luke. he IS just as whiny as anakin if not more so

No he's not, Not even close, Luke whined only a bit in ANH in ESB Luke grew up and in ROTJ he became a total badass Jedi knight .

Anakin whined in all three films about the Jedi not trusting him and about Obi-Wan holding him back, He never really showed signs of maturity like he son did.

[roach]

Luke whined the whole time on Tattooine, the whole time on Dagobah and none in Return

Anakin whined not once in TPM, much of AOTC and when he turned in ROTS

[bullets]

One of the guests on a Forcecast episode a while back made a great point about the "I am your father" revelation in regards to the prequels. If a kid who's too young to have been exposed to a lot of pop culture is shown the Star Wars movies in chronological order, he (or she) will very likely make the connection that Luke is Anakin's son when they start watching A New Hope. The suspense they'll get when watching episodes 4 and 5 will be about wondering when, or if, Vader is going tell Luke that he's his father. The line will still probably come as a shock to the kid because it's so unexpected and dramatic. Even if you know the connection between them, the line still comes out of nowhere. The line is still kind of a shocker for them, just not in the same way it was for the pre-prequels crowd.


I think I was saying "Luke , I am your father" into fans years before I watched a Star Wars film. I can't imagine someone being shocked by the line in this day and age . However seeing the films in chronological order the scene will still be poignant and suspenseful . I was actually shocked by Luke getting his hand chopped off when I first saw the films .

[The Caped Knight]

Luke whined the whole time on Tattooine, the whole time on Dagobah and none in Return

Anakin whined not once in TPM, much of AOTC and when he turned in ROTS

In ESB, Luke didn't whine on Dagobah, He questioned Yoda and was a bit reckless to complete his training to become a great Jedi warrior like his father as Obi-Wan had requested him to do. But he didn't whine.


kid Anakin whined alot in TPM, especially about wanting his mother

[Ipodman]

I watched the trilogy on dvd and was shocked by the father line because I thought it was gonna be in ROTJ :dry:

[DarKJediKnight]

http://tinyurl.com/yj59xq6

[Golgo-13]

I think I was saying "Luke , I am your father" into fans years before I watched a Star Wars film. I can't imagine someone being shocked by the line in this day and age . However seeing the films in chronological order the scene will still be poignant and suspenseful . I was actually shocked by Luke getting his hand chopped off when I first saw the films .

I'm more shocked by Luke hitting Vader with a clean shot with his light saber in ESB, and it not even making a dent in Vader's armor.:dry:

[Doctor Jones]

People talk to animals all the time, even though the animals really only understand a few key words, like their names and actions, along with gestures. Chewbacca was based off of a dog, after all. Maybe Han was just hearing what he thought Chewbacca was saying and vice versa. They've been together so long that perhaps there's just a mutual understanding between the two.

And if you don't buy that, it's Star Wars. There's a 900 year old backwards-talking midget pointing at spacecrafts and lifting them out of swamps. You just go along with it.

That's exactly my point. It's all very silly, but I that doesn't mean I don't love it.

[Doctor Jones]

No he's not, Not even close, Luke whined only a bit in ANH in ESB Luke grew up and in ROTJ he became a total badass Jedi knight .

Anakin whined in all three films about the Jedi not trusting him and about Obi-Wan holding him back, He never really showed signs of maturity like he son did.

Because that was Anakin's flaw. That's how different they are as men. Luke learned and listened. He still made mistakes but he learned from them. He was also reckless. Anakin never really learned or listened. That's why Luke had to save his father from the dark side. Luke did what Anakin could not do when he was his son's age.

I hate the idea of Anakin as some badass and ultra herioc Jedi. A man who was going to do to the dark side would have to have alot of flaws in the first place. He was powerful, but he was reckless with them and that all came back to bite him in the ass. He's going to whine and complain about people holding him back. He's like a moody teenager. He also didn't have a male figure early in his life. A moody teenager with no father but with alot of power and can't use it is going to be confused and most likely make bad decisions.

[Infinity9999x]

I just showed my 7 year old brother the OT over Christmas Break. Somehow he hadn't gotten the Vader/Daddy spoiler from his friends, so I had him going into the movies with the idea that Darth Vader was the guy who killed Luke's dad. His seven year old mind was blown when he watched Empire with me. :)

However, watching the OT makes me chuckle a bit at some of the inconsistencies. Like how Obi Wan tells Luke "Your Father wanted you to have this when you're old enough," about Anakin's Lightsaber. Apparently when Anakin was screaming "I HATE YOU!" he read between the lines and also got that he wanted his lightsaber given to his kid. Or the fact that Obi Wan ages ridiculously fast in the 18 years between Episode 3 and 4.

[Infinity9999x]

Because that was Anakin's flaw. That's how different they are as men. Luke learned and listened. He still made mistakes but he learned from them. He was also reckless. Anakin never really learned or listened. That's why Luke had to save his father from the dark side. Luke did what Anakin could not do when he was his son's age.

I hate the idea of Anakin as some badass and ultra herioc Jedi. A man who was going to do to the dark side would have to have alot of flaws in the first place. He was powerful, but he was reckless with them and that all came back to bite him in the ass. He's going to whine and complain about people holding him back. He's like a moody teenager. He also didn't have a male figure early in his life. A moody teenager with no father but with alot of power and can't use it is going to be confused and most likely make bad decisions.

See, I have no problem with a reckless Anakin. My problem was that he had no charisma. You can still have him be a reckless, somewhat moody Jedi and be likeable. Han Solo is a reckless character, yet still charismatic. I would have liked to see Anakin as a character with a mix between what Luke was and what Han Solo was.

An over-confident, yet likeable rogue, but someone who has some moodiness to him.

[Doctor Jones]

It's not a bad idea, but I think the soul problem was Hayden. If we got a better actor i don't think people would complain.

[The Caped Knight]

Luke was more of a heroic role model for kids than Anakin was.

[Infinity9999x]

It's not a bad idea, but I think the soul problem was Hayden. If we got a better actor i don't think people would complain.

I agree. I mean, let's face it, Lucas' dialogue was never good. The OT had some pretty cringe-worthy lines. And in the prequels there were times that even McGregger and Portman looked bad because of the dialogue, and they're both great actors. Hayden's just not a good actor, at least from what I've seen of him. I have heard from some that he was okay in one movie (can't recall the name) but from what I've seen in Jumper and Star Wars, I wasn't impressed.

So, in this case, I really do feel it was the actor. Harrison Ford made Han so likeable because of his natural charisma, not because it was great writing.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, it was the acting, and the direction. Kersh and Lucas on ANH had a better script and better actors to work with. The prequels were all Lucas's scripts. But Ford is Ford. He can make the cheesiest thing sound badass.

Lucas has always been a bad writer of dialogue. He's even admitted it himself. It's been said many times he hates the writing process.

I've seen the comparison slides of Lucas' original script pages with polished ones on the the originals. His lines were flat as hell. They're more imformative than for drama.

[Doctor Jones]

I just showed my 7 year old brother the OT over Christmas Break. Somehow he hadn't gotten the Vader/Daddy spoiler from his friends, so I had him going into the movies with the idea that Darth Vader was the guy who killed Luke's dad. His seven year old mind was blown when he watched Empire with me. :)

However, watching the OT makes me chuckle a bit at some of the inconsistencies. Like how Obi Wan tells Luke "Your Father wanted you to have this when you're old enough," about Anakin's Lightsaber. Apparently when Anakin was screaming "I HATE YOU!" he read between the lines and also got that he wanted his lightsaber given to his kid. Or the fact that Obi Wan ages ridiculously fast in the 18 years between Episode 3 and 4.

Your nephew is so damn lucky. :woot: I just wish I saw the film back in 1980. That was madness.

And I always assumed it was one of Obi-Wan's things to protect Luke from the truth. Just like him saying Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father. Possibly, he wanted to point him on a better future road if he put Luke's father in a positive light.

[Ipodman]

What about leia being Luke's sister? That shocked me as well

[venom892]

Pop culture also ruined the line.

It was always meant to be six films. Lucas even said this when ESB was released. It was going to be called Episode V but they didn't do it because it would confuse people. That was a revelation that can only have an impact at one point in time. Those people were lucky they experienced it.Thankfully as a Kid in my aunt's house watching the movies I didn't know anything going in.My Cousin gave me a Chewbacca trading card once and was like "What's this?"He "Star Wars".So I set out to watch the movies which I did at my aunt's house.Each time afterwards i visited I watched one of the movies.I went into that scene completely blind and it was amazing.

[The Caped Knight]

Your nephew is so damn lucky. :woot: I just wish I saw the film back in 1980. That was madness.



I remember the first time I saw the Star Wars trilogy when they re-released it in the theater . I was completely shocked by the Big revelation in "Empire Strikes Back" When Vader revealed to Luke he was his father.

[Infinity9999x]

Your nephew is so damn lucky. :woot: I just wish I saw the film back in 1980. That was madness.

And I always assumed it was one of Obi-Wan's things to protect Luke from the truth. Just like him saying Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father. Possibly, he wanted to point him on a better future road if he put Luke's father in a positive light.

I think that's the best way to explain the Obi-Wan line. Honestly though, I think originally they meant for Vader to be older when he turned to the Dark Side, I mean, look at how old Obi-Wan looked. (Again, one thing I find funny, McGreggor looked to be about 40 TOPS in Episode 4, and somehow 18 years later he looks like a man in his 70s). Which is why I wish they had Anakin start out similar to Luke in the prequels. Have them find him as a young man around 16 to 18.

But yeah, with my little bro it was pretty fun. I don't know how he wasn't spoiled already. I can't remember the exact time I found out that Darth was Luke's dad. I feel like I've always known it. I'm pretty sure the line seeped down to me via pop culture before I actually watched the prequels.

[Yodaman]

Or the fact that Obi Wan ages ridiculously fast in the 18 years between Episode 3 and 4.

Beru had it much worse.

From:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/dan-yoda/ep3beru.jpg

to:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/dan-yoda/797063735411667.jpg

18 Years!!!!!!

[Obi-Ron]

(Again, one thing I find funny, McGreggor looked to be about 40 TOPS in Episode 4, and somehow 18 years later he looks like a man in his 70s).

When 20 years in the desert you spend, look as good you will not.

[A Necessary Evil]

When 20 years in the desert you spend, look as good you will not.

:funny:

[blksuperman2]

When 20 years in the desert you spend, look as good you will not.

lol:awesome:

[Happy Jack]

I don't know how I never realized the age thing. Wow.

Lucas, ya done goofed.

[craigdbfan]

Original trilogy overrated due to nostalgia? Neva.

That argument doesn't fly seeing as I saw both ESB and ROTJ after the Phantom Menace was released. Even at a young age I understood what I was watching felt "bigger" and that galaxy, far, far away felt as real as fiction could feel thanks to miniatures and on location filming (this is more of a critique of Clones and Revenge). I'll also bring up that I might not like SW as much as I do if it weren't for ESB. That movie is so good it kind of forgives any mistakes made thereon after.

While I agree that all three of the OT films have their flaws, some bigger than others saying they are overrated and basically on par with the prequels is just not accurate.

To begin with Empire Strikes Back beats all the other films pretty easily. The only one from the original trilogy that is on par with the prequels is ROTJ which I like but isn't one of the strongest.

So while some people do go overboard on criticizing the Star Wars prequels trying to undermine how bad a lot of the moments were from the NT is sort of just denying the truth.

In all honesty all 6 of the films have their "ugh" & "really" moments but the prequels just has this in spades.

[Bunker]

The prequel defenders main argument is saying that the OT wasn't that good either. It makes my brain hurt every time. All of Plinkett's haters should watch The Language of Cinema part of his review. He puts aside the jokes and critiques the actual filmmaking of the prequels. He goes over how lazy Lucas was, how boring the shot composition is, etc. It's really a great watch.

[Timstuff]

The 'I am your father' line in ESB doesn't have the same impact it had because of the sequels.

It doesn't have the same impact because of all the nitwits who you hear quote it all day. Don't blame George Lucas for not attempting to preserve a spoiler that is already well past its expiration date. Even when I was a kid watching Star Wars for the first time I knew Vader was Luke's dad. :o

[Timstuff]

Because that was Anakin's flaw. That's how different they are as men. Luke learned and listened. He still made mistakes but he learned from them. He was also reckless. Anakin never really learned or listened. That's why Luke had to save his father from the dark side. Luke did what Anakin could not do when he was his son's age.

I hate the idea of Anakin as some badass and ultra herioc Jedi. A man who was going to do to the dark side would have to have alot of flaws in the first place. He was powerful, but he was reckless with them and that all came back to bite him in the ass. He's going to whine and complain about people holding him back. He's like a moody teenager. He also didn't have a male figure early in his life. A moody teenager with no father but with alot of power and can't use it is going to be confused and most likely make bad decisions.

Most of the world's dictators were / are emo kids who obtained power. Look at Adolf Hitler's hair:

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7152/hitlerg.jpg

And we all know how ronery Kim Jung Il is:

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Then there's good ol' Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He knows that Imam and Dad told him that boobies are evil, but he still loves looking at them. So how does he deal with this frustration? By becoming a fascist and not letting anyone look at boobs.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/268/mahmoudahmadineja124828.jpg

People didn't like Anakin because he did not meet their expectation of him being a wholly noble hero who one day had the "evil" button switched on him. He was confused, angry, selfish, and very talented, which put him in a perfect position to become evil.

[Timstuff]

The prequel defenders main argument is saying that the OT wasn't that good either. It makes my brain hurt every time. All of Plinkett's haters should watch The Language of Cinema part of his review. He puts aside the jokes and critiques the actual filmmaking of the prequels. He goes over how lazy Lucas was, how boring the shot composition is, etc. It's really a great watch.

No, the arument is not that "the original wasn't good either." Way to twist the conversation, pal. The argument is that if you think that the prequels suck, then you should acknowledge that your opinion of the original movies is most likely highly inflated due to the nostalgia factor and that you unfavorable opinion of the prequels may be influenced because nostalgia is working against them instead of for them.

I enjoy both the prequels and the originals. I like the originals slightly more, but I acknowledge that it's because they came first and that my reasons for liking them better have a lot of bias involved since I've been watching them for much longer. I enjoy the whole series, even though I recognize that all of the films have flaws, some of which bother me more than others. That does not mean that "all of them suck" or "all of them are equally brilliant." Some of the movies are better than others, but which ones are is in the eye of the beholder.

I think the ultimate judge of whether or not the prequels are a true disservice to the Star Wars saga will be the new generation of fans that are growing up with all 6 films and the Clone Wars TV series. They are going to have as much nostalgia attached to all of that as we did to the original trilogy, and it will be interesting to see if an anti-prequel stigma manages to emerge in the next generation through all of that or not as our young fanboys and fangirls grow up.

[CGHulk]

People didn't like Anakin because he did not meet their expectation of him being a wholly noble hero who one day had the "evil" button switched on him. He was confused, angry, selfish, and very talented, which put him in a perfect position to become evil.

A lot of people have a problem with Anakin being to cocky/arrogant and creepy around Padme. They wonder how the heck does she still fall in love with him? I say it's her compassion is her undoing. She sees and understand his frustrations, when his mother dies her heart goes out to him. The whole forgiving him for killing all the sand people, it was made clear that they were mindless savage monsters. Him being creepy around Padme, it's just an just extremely inexperienced immature teenager who doesn't know how to act around women. She admits later in the movie she was crazy about him from the start. She was playing all hard to get. He was dealing with his feelings for her like a love sick puppy. She was handling herself maturely. You know like she did on Robot Chicken. :p

Here we go agian:facepalm:

Sam Fisher, I posted savestarwars.com for my love for film history and it's preservation, not as a whiny fanboy. I'd love to see future colleges, film lovers, having the availability to see these films as they were originally made. Preserving them for historical reasons. Having the originals around might ignite the curiosity of someone in the future to look up the history of visual effects and ask, "How was that done without computer graphics?"

EDIT: Hey we're on page 100!

[lespaul59]

I have to say the I can't really remember what my reaction was to the I'm your father line because I've been watching SW for most of my life(I'm 29). I also remember watching Return of the Jedi before ESB or ANH so more than likely 25 years ago(give or take) my surprise was probaly more from the fact that Vader tells Luke rather than it being this big revelation. Personaly I like the prequals alone with the OT and looking back at both after not having watched them in a while they both have their faults. I still think the OT is better but personaly I like Revenge of the Sith better than ESB. AS far the oreder in which I like them I would have to say: ROTJ, ANH, ROTS and in no certin order ESB, TPM and AOTC.

And Personaly I do think the origanal versions of ANH, ESB and ROTJ should be available if for no other reason than their historical value. If it wasn't for the origanal version we wouldn't have the SW mythology we have today. I loved the Special Editions when they came out in '97. But going back and watching the origanals I realized why I became a SW fan in the first place. I really don't mind the 2004 versions other than the moments that in my opinion just kinda stick out like Boba Fett looking at the camera in ANH and Anakin in ROTJ. By the way I don't remember if the BF thing was in the SE version of ANH or not. I don't mind the Palpatine in ESB but I would rather have the origanal scene.

I will say watching the prequals first I start to think why did Lucas have to ruin Anakin as in have him become a bad guy. But when watching the OT I'm like Vader is my all time favorite villain.

[roach]

The originals are available...I bought a widescreen DVD boxed set of the OT and it came with the original theatrical version and the special editions

[Thebumwhowalks]

The originals are available...I bought a widescreen DVD boxed set of the OT and it came with the original theatrical version and the special editions

They look like crap though, not remastered. I only have the Empire and Jedi originals, the only one i use is the Jedi one, what I do is watch the original Jedi up until the point where Boushh hands over Chewbacca, then I switch discs to the SE of Jedi for when Boushh/Leia frees Han from the Carbonite.

The reason I do this is because the SE CGI band in Jabba's palace just destroys the cool vibe of the place for me, it is just far too cartoon-y and in your face. The original band are far more suited to Jabba's palace imo, a little 3 piece alien punk rock band, the tune is way better suited too, and on the commentary they tell you it was a female punk rock artist who composed the original tune, it sounds great, and has that grimy punk feel of Jabba's palace.

I also don't like the added parts of Boba Fett flirting with the female singers from the new band, it looks physically awkward to have him moving from where he was originally standing to go do those extra scenes, only to go back and stand in the exact same position, in the exact same position and lighting, when he draws his gun. It just makes it feel like an add on, and breaks the illusion, you can't help thinking it's a different guy in the suit and it's taking place twenty years later.
It also does not chime well with the character, sure, he may flirted with the females in the palace, but not while another bounty hunter was on the scene negotiating with Jabba, he would want to check out the competition. In actual fact , the cb adaptation of Jedi says as much during that scene(I don't have it here to quote exactly).

It is a little annoying to have to watch the start of Jabba's palace in unremastered form, as the Sw movies look particularly good as films when they are all cleaned up, but not as annoying as those added scenes, and I get to watch the Leia freeing Han scene in full untampered SE glory when i put the next disc in, as that is still one of my fav scenes from the OT, just a really cool vibe and atmosphere, if he had added anything to that I would have flipped out.

[Sam Fisher]

Sam Fisher, I posted savestarwars.com for my love for film history and it's preservation, not as a whiny fanboy. I'd love to see future colleges, film lovers, having the availability to see these films as they were originally made. Preserving them for historical reasons. Having the originals around might ignite the curiosity of someone in the future to look up the history of visual effects and ask, "How was that done without computer graphics?"

EDIT: Hey we're on page 100!I wasn't refering to you.

[Timstuff]

However, watching the OT makes me chuckle a bit at some of the inconsistencies. Like how Obi Wan tells Luke "Your Father wanted you to have this when you're old enough," about Anakin's Lightsaber. Apparently when Anakin was screaming "I HATE YOU!" he read between the lines and also got that he wanted his lightsaber given to his kid. Or the fact that Obi Wan ages ridiculously fast in the 18 years between Episode 3 and 4.

Obi-Wan is canologically supposed to be 37 in Revenge of the Sith, and Ewan McGreggor was 34 at the time. The character is 57 in A New Hope, and Alec Guiness was 62 when they shot it. That's only a difference of 5 years, so I don't know where people get this notion that they overshot Obi-Wan's age by a significant margin.

[A Necessary Evil]

Also, maybe some people just happen to age really crappy... /shrug

[Obi-Ron]

They look like crap though, not remastered.

What part of "original" don't you understand?

[Obi-Ron]

They look like crap though, not remastered.

What part of "original" don't you understand?

[Obi-Ron]

They look like crap though, not remastered.

What part of the word "original" is giving you problems? :doh: