Star Wars 2.0

[spidey-dude]

Obi-Wan is canologically supposed to be 37 in Revenge of the Sith, and Ewan McGreggor was 34 at the time. The character is 57 in A New Hope, and Alec Guiness was 62 when they shot it. That's only a difference of 5 years, so I don't know where people get this notion that they overshot Obi-Wan's age by a significant margin.

based on how obi wan looked in rots I thought it matched up pretty well to be honest!


much better than how anakin matches up between menace and aotc

[Asteroid-Man]

Anakin was 9 in Menace and 19 in Clones - looked fine to me.

[spidey-dude]

Anakin was 9 in Menace and 19 in Clones - looked fine to me.

ye its more due to the fact that i want to punch little anakin in the face for being such a gimp

[Doctor Jones]

Anakin bagged a hot chick five years older than him. That's a goddamn hero for ya.

[spidey-dude]

Anakin bagged a hot chick five years older than him. That's a goddamn hero for ya.


i like older anakin - and damn right thats being a hero, luke never got any

[Asteroid-Man]

i like older anakin - and damn right thats being a hero, luke never got any
:up::woot:

[Thebumwhowalks]

What part of the word "original" is giving you problems? :doh:

You're a smart guy, so I'm surprised I have to explain this to you, also surprised you have used the old slap head smiley, which is especially embarrassing when it's yourself that has to have the obvious pointed out to you...

When a movie is remastered what they do is remove all the dust and crap that has built up on the prints so that the film looks as it was originally intended.
The releases of the original movies do not look the way they are supposed to , they look like crap because they have not been remastered.

edit: I think you are confusing the concept of releasing original cuts, but I didn't use that phrase at all in my post.

[Obi-Ron]

That's okay, at least you can make a point without saying the same thing 3 times.

[Thebumwhowalks]

That's okay, at least you can make a point without saying the same thing 3 times.

lol, i made sure to quote the one where you posted a slap head just to make you more embarrased! :oldrazz: but yeah, I wish Lucas had just run the old vacum cleaner over the original cuts when he was remastering, Spielberg released the original ET along with the SE ET when he remastered, perhaps because he saw fan reaction to what Lucas did.
Well, at least i assume the ET cut was remastered in that box set, I can't stand what Spielberg did to ET with adding CG to the puppet's face, thank god Lucas didn't do that with Yoda, that would have ruined the SE empire for me, which I think is the only SE that genuinely improves the film.

[steintym]

I was lucky enough to see all of the OT in the theaters when they were originally released (I was young, but I saw them all).

Vader's line to Luke was huge, and since there was no internet at the time, it was a really cool cliffhanger that people speculated about for a couple of years (obviously until ROTJ).

Yoda's line about there being another was also a pretty cool cliffhanger.

I love spoilers, and can never resist, but there was something so cool about not really knowing the outcome of those storylines.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

and damn right thats being a hero, luke never got any
You could make the same argument for Michael Keaton's Batman.

[spidey-dude]

You could make the same argument for Michael Keaton's Batman.

did he not tap catwoman???

[War Party]

Just got my Olly Moss Star Wars posters. Already framed and they look absolutely beautiful in person. Pics will be posted.

[Golgo-13]

Do you think, or want The Clone Wars cartoon to delve into the mystery of Anakin's miraculous conception, and whether it was by the will of the force, or if Darth Plaguous had created him, as it's hinted in ROTS...?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

did he not tap catwoman???
He sure didn't. But I was saying that Keaton is the only on screen Batman we've seen get any, as West, Kilmer, Clooney, and Bale did/have not.

[antsman41]

did he not tap catwoman???

Nope, just ****ty Vale.

haha

How 'bout that Ice Princess though, too bad she died.

[Yodaman]

Do you think, or want The Clone Wars cartoon to delve into the mystery of Anakin's miraculous conception, and whether it was by the will of the force, or if Darth Plaguous had created him, as it's hinted in ROTS...?

I think the possibility of this happening is 50/50 (this is entirely 100% up to George), but I think it would be cool if they did, granted they do a good job with it. This was extremely cryptic in ROTS and I'm still hoping that one day we might get a longer and official explanation.

[Doctor Jones]

I have the feeling Lucas will leave it at that. And he should. he should leave at least some things up in the air for fans to debate. That's part of the fun of it.

[lespaul59]

The originals are available...I bought a widescreen DVD boxed set of the OT and it came with the original theatrical version and the special editions

I bought the single versions of ANH and ROTJ like this before I found out that the box set had both vesions. And personaly I'm fine with them being available like this. Other than wishing they would switch the aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16x9 I think it kinda cool watching them unrestored. I just would hate to see them compleatly be done away with.

On a side note can you guys tell me what figures can be used for the mail in figures? Well I guess the better question is where do I find the numbers on the figures that are listed on the orderform? I hope you guys understand what I'm asking. Nevermind I found it.

[DCW]

Just got my Olly Moss Star Wars posters. Already framed and they look absolutely beautiful in person. Pics will be posted.

Please do, I missed out on these cause I'm so poor right now. :doh:

[Infinity9999x]

Obi-Wan is canologically supposed to be 37 in Revenge of the Sith, and Ewan McGreggor was 34 at the time. The character is 57 in A New Hope, and Alec Guiness was 62 when they shot it. That's only a difference of 5 years, so I don't know where people get this notion that they overshot Obi-Wan's age by a significant margin.

He was only 62? Huh, I always thought he looked older then that. But then maybe that's because there's actors out there like Harrison Ford who hold their age ridiculously well. I found out he was in his 40's when doing TOD and Last Crusade. :wow: I hope I look that good at 40.

[Yodaman]

On a side note can you guys tell me what figures can be used for the mail in figures? Well I guess the better question is where do I find the numbers on the figures that are listed on the orderform? I hope you guys understand what I'm asking. Nevermind I found it.

I JUST finished typing a really long response to your question and then I noticed your edit.

BOLD YOUR EDITS NEXT TIME :cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

:oldrazz:

[Golgo-13]

Any word on when cgi Yoda will replace that horrendous puppet in TPM?

[A Necessary Evil]

Any word on when cgi Yoda will replace that horrendous puppet in TPM?

Yup.





Never. :cwink:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yes, he will be replaced. Thank god.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I dont know if ths has been posted but, Mr.Plinkett is at it again:

http://www.redlettermedia.com/

[CGHulk]

You shouldn't post that, any link that uses foul language can't be posted here, he uses The F word a lot. I got a warning from a mod on this forum in the past for posting a link that used The F Word.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Any word on when cgi Yoda will replace that horrendous puppet in TPM?

He better finally be on the Blu-Ray. They replaced him with CGI six years ago, as an exercise to get the team ready for ROTS.

[Kurosawa]

i like older anakin - and damn right thats being a hero, luke never got any

Luke was so awesome that he didn't get the girl (or even kill the bad guy) and he was STILL the man.

[spidey-dude]

Luke was so awesome that he didn't get the girl (or even kill the bad guy) and he was STILL the man.
Luke was barely A man let alone THE man, the only reason he was remotely cool was because he had a lightsaber

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Luke takes cool lessons from Han.

[CGHulk]

He better finally be on the Blu-Ray. They replaced him with CGI six years ago, as an exercise to get the team ready for ROTS.

At http://starwarsinconcert.com/ George showed up and asked why they were still using the puppet Yoda footage from TPM. From there on out all the other concert showings they had the CG Yoda. So yeah the Yoda puppet has been replaced.

[spidey-dude]

Luke takes cool lessons from Han.

Han is so cool he wasnt even trying to get the girl and still got her daaaaaaaaymn

[DarknessOfDeath]

and then he got frozen in carbinate, oh snap!

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Yeah, but he went out like a cool-ass dude.

[Kud-Dukan]

At http://starwarsinconcert.com/ George showed up and asked why they were still using the puppet Yoda footage from TPM. From there on out all the other concert showings they had the CG Yoda. So yeah the Yoda puppet has been replaced.

Yeah, when I saw it earlier this year they had the CG Yoda and it looked great. So much better than the puppet. :up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

I went to the star wars in concert last summer! It was awesome. The only thing I regret is that I didn't wait around long enough to meet Anthony Daniels! How cool would it be if I said I did meet C3PO?

[Doctor Jones]

Very cool. I met Peter Mayhew and Jeremy Bulloch and got their autographs at Star Wars Weekend in Orlando at MGM in 2007.

[DarknessOfDeath]

A friend of mine got Anthony Daniels autograph for me and he gave me his SW program and I gave him mine. He didn't have to but he did.

[Doctor Jones]

Whoa, that's some friend. I wouldn't do that.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Have you been to any of the SW celebrations?

[lespaul59]

I JUST finished typing a really long response to your question and then I noticed your edit.

BOLD YOUR EDITS NEXT TIME :cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

:oldrazz:

Thanks for taking the time and :doh: on my part because I was thinking I should make this bold or something and didn't.

[CGHulk]

Have you been to any of the SW celebrations?
Yes I have, I went to Celebration IV. I got Dennis Muren's, and Phil Tippit's autograph, I shook Don Beis hand.

Look at what's been added to The Library of Congress.
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v3=35&ti=1,35&SEQ=20110105004750&Search_Arg=empire%20strikes%20back&Search_Code=GKEY^*&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=HbLCo4FxdNU3Mkmp67FMIpwjbmYLr&SID=1

Just to clarify this was not me.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-Star-Wars-Dot-Com/post/460851/#TopicPost460851
Well, this is the letter I wrote:

Hello Steve Leggett,

My name is Michael Kaminski and I am writer from Toronto who specialises in cinema studies. I understand that this year 1980's Empire Strikes Back was added to the National Film Registry and I had a few simple questions I was hoping you could clarify for me about the print. Firstly, I was wodering which version of the film this print represents? As you may know, the film was re-released in 1997 in a heavily modified form. I was also wondering whether the print was donated by Fox, Lucasfilm or a third party, and whether said print was already existant or if it was newly printed for the occassion.

Thanks in advance for your reply,

Michael Kaminski

24 hours for a government reply? Wow. The US bureacracy is faster than I thought. The news is good too:

"

Michael: In reference to the question, we always recognize and seek to ensure preservation of the original theatrical release version, per the legislation (which says the Registry version is "the version of a film first published")., though we might also try to obtain other versions as well. This would apply even in cases where we might prefer a different version (i.e. where a studio butchered a director's film before release).

Tho we recognize the original, we have no problem with the filmmaker going back and releasing a modified version (that is their right after all). We would want to see all versions preserved well.



After the recent selection, we will in the near future request that Fox/Lucasfilm strike and send us a new 35mm print of the original 1980 release version. We do that for all the studio titles, and the studios do cooperate.



Best, Steve Leggett"

[roach]

I was at Celebration V and met Mark Hamill and got his autograph

[GhostPoet]

I think if I met Mark Hamill and he suddenly did the Joker voice...i'd be scared forever.

[Dark_Lord]

Vader's Going to Vegas

The Empire is headed to Vegas, baby. Darth Vader, accompanied by a legion of his finest Imperial troops, will address emissaries from "a galaxy far, far away" for a most impressive announcement at the Consumer Electronics Show -- Thursday, January 6th at 11:30 AM PST Panasonic Booth #9408.

Be prepared... The Force is strong with this one.


StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/fans/events/vader_vegas/index.html)

and for those that didn't know...Clone Wars returns this Friday with the Savage Opress storyline. Here's the episode guide for "Nightsisters" (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode312.html) and there's also a preview with 3 clips at TheForce.net (http://www.theforce.net/swtv/story/Preview_TCW_Nightsisters_135917.asp)

[Symbiotic]

I'd love a full announcement of the Saga blu-ray collection. Street date, cover art, complete rundown of special features, everything.

[Warhammer]

I may be a little late, but I just now saw this video. I was dying.

Uxggi47Cq68

[Timstuff]

Yes I have, I went to Celebration IV. I got Dennis Muren's, and Phil Tippit's autograph, I shook Don Beis hand.

Look at what's been added to The Library of Congress.
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v3=35&ti=1,35&SEQ=20110105004750&Search_Arg=empire%20strikes%20back&Search_Code=GKEY^*&CNT=100&type=quick&PID=HbLCo4FxdNU3Mkmp67FMIpwjbmYLr&SID=1

Just to clarify this was not me.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-Star-Wars-Dot-Com/post/460851/#TopicPost460851

So despite peoples' fears to the contrary, the original release is being preserved, even if it is not necessarily availible for purchase in the highest quality. I'd chock the lazy non-anamorphic laserdisc rips currently available on DVD up to cutting costs and rushing, not some conspiracy by Lucas to somehow erase the original releases from history.

[venom892]

I may be a little late, but I just now saw this video. I was dying.

Uxggi47Cq68That was Hilarious!

I'd love a full announcement of the Saga blu-ray collection. Street date, cover art, complete rundown of special features, everything.That be amazing.

[War Party]

I took these hastily and I didn't feel like cleaning my lens, but I know some people wanted to see these:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0259-1.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0260.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0261.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0262.jpg

[Dark_Lord]

I'd love a full announcement of the Saga blu-ray collection. Street date, cover art, complete rundown of special features, everything.

That's what I'm hoping for. I can't wait to find out all those details.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I am jealous of that poster collection.

[bullets]

I would definitely line my halls with those posters ,so awesome.


The Star Wars blu ray details were rumored to be announced today , it looks like that was wrong but hopefully they are on the way soon .

[A Necessary Evil]

I'd love a full announcement of the Saga blu-ray collection. Street date, cover art, complete rundown of special features, everything.

I heard Lucasfilm say they're gonna re-release all six scores in complete form. So whilst I'll be buying the OT scores...again (:o ) I hope its true. :up:

[DCW]

I heard Lucasfilm say they're gonna re-release all six scores in complete form. So whilst I'll be buying the OT scores...again (:o ) I hope its true. :up:

I haven't heard that yet, hope it's true! I've got Episode's 1, 4, 5, and 6 but I've been dying for 2 and 3!

[War Party]

I am jealous of that poster collection.

You should see my entire poster collection from Alamo. You will be insanely jealous after that. I plan on taking pics of everything soon.

[A Necessary Evil]

I haven't heard that yet, hope it's true! I've got Episode's 1, 4, 5, and 6 but I've been dying for 2 and 3!

I just read it,...somewhere on some forum I go to. The PT scores came up, and that's what they said they asked...but it could be B.S. :csad:

Yeah, I'll be honest, I liked the UE of episode I. It was a blatant lie, yes. But the package itself was good. I think my only complaint is that we wouldn't get all the music as heard in the movies, unless it was just an UE of them, because tons of stuff was tracked.

[DCW]

I took these hastily and I didn't feel like cleaning my lens, but I know some people wanted to see these:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0259-1.jpg


They're just so...beautiful. :waa:

[Dark_Lord]

The Star Wars blu ray details were rumored to be announced today , it looks like that was wrong but hopefully they are on the way soon .

There's an announcement at CES tomorrow. I'm guessing that's it.


Vader's Going to Vegas

The Empire is headed to Vegas, baby. Darth Vader, accompanied by a legion of his finest Imperial troops, will address emissaries from "a galaxy far, far away" for a most impressive announcement at the Consumer Electronics Show -- Thursday, January 6th at 11:30 AM PST Panasonic Booth #9408.

Be prepared... The Force is strong with this one.


StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/fans/events/vader_vegas/index.html)

EDIT: Yup. Looks like it's about the Blu-Ray release.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6462/starwarsblurayces.jpg

Engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/star-wars-blu-ray-to-get-a-most-impressive-announcement-at-ces/)

[Darkness Falls]

those posters are so clever :D

[Spideyfan93]

Star Wars Blu Ray is something I've been waiting for forever. A W E S O M E

[craigdbfan]

There's an announcement at CES tomorrow. I'm guessing that's it.



StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/fans/events/vader_vegas/index.html)

EDIT: Yup. Looks like it's about the Blu-Ray release.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6462/starwarsblurayces.jpg

Engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/star-wars-blu-ray-to-get-a-most-impressive-announcement-at-ces/)

So is the complete saga in Blu-ray going to include both the OT with no edits that were made on later with Lucas along with the "updated" versions that we got in 2004 as well?

As for the prequels will Yoda in the TPM be replaced by CGI Yoda?

Well I guess I shouldn't be asking as thats what they are going to be announcing right?

[chaseter]

I will only buy Star Wars on bluray if it doesn't include eps 1-3. I don't mind ep 3...I kind of liked it. However, I really don't like ep 1 or 2...especially 1.

[Dark_Lord]

So is the complete saga in Blu-ray going to include both the OT with no edits that were made on later with Lucas along with the "updated" versions that we got in 2004 as well?

As for the prequels will Yoda in the TPM be replaced by CGI Yoda?

Will I guess I shouldn't be asking as thats what they are going to be announcing right?

When they first announced the Blu-Ray release, they said that it would be the 2004 versions...if I remember correctly. No idea about TPM Yoda (I say yes), but hopefully they'll be announcing the details tomorrow. I wonder if them making the announcement at the Panasonic booth means anything.

[Doctor Jones]

Have you been to any of the SW celebrations?

You mean like Celebration III or something? Nah, but I'd love to.

[Sawyer]

I took these hastily and I didn't feel like cleaning my lens, but I know some people wanted to see these:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0259-1.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0260.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0261.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/slapshot8/DSC_0262.jpg

Those are aweeeeeesome. :wow::up:

[bullets]

I will only buy Star Wars on bluray if it doesn't include eps 1-3. I don't mind ep 3...I kind of liked it. However, I really don't like ep 1 or 2...especially 1.



I hope they split the originals from the prequels otherwise it will take me forever to be able to afford

[A Necessary Evil]

I hope they split the originals from the prequels otherwise it will take me forever to be able to afford

6 freakin movies, and blu rays are like...20..25$?
:cmad::cmad:

[bullets]

6 freakin movies, and blu rays are like...20..25$?
:cmad::cmad:

Well I was thinking along the lines of 3 and 3 . I'm guessing it will run around 60 if they do it that way. A master set with all six films would be cool but I can't imagine what that would cost.

[Bim]

I heard Lucasfilm say they're gonna re-release all six scores in complete form. So whilst I'll be buying the OT scores...again (:o ) I hope its true. :up:
About time they officially released the episodes 2 and 3 full scores, although bootlegs do get the job done until then :o :oldrazz:

Personally i havent made thw switch to blu-ray yet, but for Star Wars i'd consider it for sure.

War Party: those posters look awesome :awesome:

[DCW]

There's an announcement at CES tomorrow. I'm guessing that's it.



StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/fans/events/vader_vegas/index.html)

EDIT: Yup. Looks like it's about the Blu-Ray release.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6462/starwarsblurayces.jpg

Engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/star-wars-blu-ray-to-get-a-most-impressive-announcement-at-ces/)


I'm WAY excited for this announcement! I'm already saving my pennies for this blu ray release...and the bigger HD TV I'll be buying with it. :o

[Timstuff]

They will probably release individual episodes on Blu-Ray eventually, but I am going to go for the 6 movie set, no doubt. I have been waiting for AGES for them to come out with a comprehensive 6 movie set, and now it is finally happening. I couldn't be happier, unless with this news also comes that Han will shoot first, Boba Fett will not have a Kiwi accent, and Sebastian Shaw is the ghost of Anakin Skywalker.

[Doctor Jones]

Afer SW on Blu Ray, when in the hell are we getting Indy on Blu Ray. You'd think I'd be this year too since it's the 30 year anniversary of Raiders.

[Yodaman]

Lucasfilm always seems to completely ignore anniversary years when they plan their DVD and Blu-Ray releases (Indy DVD 2003, OT DVD 2004, Saga Blu Ray 2011).

Can't wait to hear what they have to say about the set tomorrow. No matter what the I'm pre-ordering this ****er as soon as Amazon will allow me to.

[venom892]

Awesome posters war party!Also really excited about the blu ray set!Can't wait to hear the details.

[Hellion]

Well I was thinking along the lines of 3 and 3 . I'm guessing it will run around 60 if they do it that way. A master set with all six films would be cool but I can't imagine what that would cost.


Been waiting for a "Saga" set...no price is too big for me...

...well, actually have to wait for it to come out before I say that...

...thinking about the Clone Wars...I was wondering where I saw the design for Mother Talzin before...her looks similar/based on the Nightsister design that was a pre-Darth Maul concept design for Episode I...and looks exactly like the Nightsister Miniature from the Miniatures Game...also recently...like yesterday, found an old interview kinda confirming it...I know, I'm a little slow with certain things, but just kept thinking, she looks so familiar... ...

...Thinking back, I wish the Nightsister and Asajj Ventress concept arts had in some way made it into Episode's I and II...i love Darth Maul and Count Dooku, and am not saying I would of replaced them, but it would have been cool if in Episode I the Nightsister was seen speaking with Darth's Maul and Sidious (maybe in a oracle type deal trying to see the future of Sidious plan,etc...) or in Episode II if Ventress was with Dooku and participated in the Battle of Geonosis......I'll always have my dreams, LOL

[A Necessary Evil]

Afer SW on Blu Ray, when in the hell are we getting Indy on Blu Ray. You'd think I'd be this year too since it's the 30 year anniversary of Raiders.

You know what I want on bluray? Well other than Hook?


Jurassic Park. :cmad:


About time they officially released the episodes 2 and 3 full scores, although bootlegs do get the job done until then :o :oldrazz:


True, but I'd like to listen to "Revisiting Padme" without SFX. :dry: :oldrazz:


Well I was thinking along the lines of 3 and 3 . I'm guessing it will run around 60 if they do it that way. A master set with all six films would be cool but I can't imagine what that would cost.

More than we can imagine.

[Obi-Ron]

If money is all that Lucas loves, then that's what he'll receive.

[A Necessary Evil]

Tons of it ._.

Don't forget...one year till the 3D releases too...

[Marvolo]

Look at the Alien Anthology release by Fox. That was four films and every single special feature ever released all the way back to the laserdisc plus promotional material and even spoofs and all that was $100 on release and much cheaper online. The Star Wars boxed set will probably be similarly priced. If we get the same quality the Alien Anthology got then I will gladly pay $100. And I know a lot of people don't like the first 3 but a lot of people don't like the last two alien films and fox still packaged them together because they are one story about ripley and star wars is one story about Anikan so they will prolly all be released together.

[Timstuff]

Wise man once say: "Only a fool pays the MSRP for movies."

I'm sure stores like Borders and Barns and Noble will charge some ungodly price like $120, but give it a month and Amazon will have it for $60.

[CGHulk]

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Star+Wars+studio+goes+from+apprentice+master+Singa pore/4051552/story.html

Lucas himself is so confident in the Singapore team that he is planning to produce his next feature film entirely in the studio.

Details are top-secret except for the fact that it will be a totally new property instead of being another Star Wars derivative.

Here's a look at the new Lucasfilm facility they are building in Singapore for a 2012-13 completion.
http://wom.truth.travel/2010/10/star-wars-lucasfilm-to-build-studio-in-singapore.html
http://www.greatnewplaces.com/c362-LucasfilmProductionFacility

Double Negative and ILM both have units in Singapore. If anyone's curious Rhythm & Hues has a unit in India.

[roach]

My film school also teaches game design and computer animation and Lucasfilm was here a few months ago looking for interns...during the presentation the rep mentioned that something big was about to be announced star wars related

[Dark_Lord]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7539/ces2011pressinvitation.jpg


Multiple early leaks we're receiving from retail sources today would seem to indicate that Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox will be releasing all 6 Star Wars films on Blu-ray in October (street dates of 10/18 or 10/25 are being reported), as a Star Wars: The Complete Saga - 35th Anniversary Collection (2012 being the 35th anniversary of the theatrical release of the original film). We're told by studio sources that we WILL get an official Blu-ray announcement from Fox and Lucasfilm [today]...


TheForce.net (http://www.theforce.net/holonet/story/Darth_Vader_To_Make_Announcement_At_CES_135892.asp )

[Ipodman]

Yay... Wonder since it's the 35th anniversary of the ORIGINAL Star Wars, Lucas will remaster the ORIGINAL Star Wars for blu-ray...

[roach]

hahahahHhhhaaaaAAAahahahahaaa....you guys kill me

[Asteroid-Man]

It's too bad when they attempted the colour "correction" they did it with the original film rolls... somehow I still find this hard to believe - honestly, who is THAT dumb?

[steintym]

Pretty cool news, been waiting a while for those. Hopefully we'll hear some of the details about what will be included too.

[Erzengel]

My 5th edition of this series. :up:

[CGHulk]

How many times I've bought of the original trilogy?

1. The 80's pan and scan VHS release
2. The very first widescreen release special box set on VHS
3. The 1995 Laser Discs
4. The 1997 Special Editions on VHS
5. The 2000 re-release of the Special Editions on VHS
6. The 2004 DVD's
7. The 2006 DVD's for the Theatrical Cuts

Hey George you want my money for the 8th time?

[Dark_Lord]

I have the originals on VHS recorded from the TV, the 2000 Special Edition VHS, TPM on VHS and DVD, AotC on DVD, RotS on DVD and of course the 2004 DVDs.

[spidey-dude]

ha im only 22 and have the OT about 4 times

original vhs
rerelease boxset remastered vhs
special edition vhs
ot dvd (2004)

[Erzengel]

How many times I've bought of the original trilogy?

1. The 80's pan and scan VHS release
2. The very first widescreen release special box set on VHS
3. The 1995 Laser Discs
4. The 1997 Special Editions on VHS
5. The 2000 re-release of the Special Editions on VHS
6. The 2004 DVD's
7. The 2006 DVD's for the Theatrical Cuts

Hey George you want my money for the 8th time?
1. The 80's P&S on VHS
2. The THX Widescreen on VHS
3. The Special Edition on VHS
4. The 2004 DVD

[Sam Fisher]

I can't wait!!! This is one set I absolutely MUST have on release date:D

[Symbiotic]

About the announcement, does anyone know of any site doing live coverage?

[Marvolo]

I've got four sets of the trilogy.

1. The 80's pan and scan VHS release
2. The 2000 re-release of the Special Editions on VHS
3. The 2004 DVD's
4. The 2006 DVD's for the Theatrical Cuts

[steintym]

I don't even remember how many times I've purchased these sets.

Blu Ray would definitely be worth to me, though. I'll be them up the first day they're available.

[spidey-dude]

I dont have a blu ray player yet so no real rush for me

[Dark_Lord]

The most anticipated Blu-ray release ever -- the Star Wars Saga -- emerges from light speed this September 2011. For the first time, all six of George Lucas' epic films (Episodes I-VI) are united in one complete set. Fans worldwide are able to pre-order now with online retailers.
Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment will release Star Wars in three distinct sets to meet the needs of every Star Wars fan:


Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray (9-disc Set includes all six films)
Star Wars: Prequel Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes I-III)
Star Wars: Original Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes IV-VI)

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will feature all six live-action Star Wars feature films utilizing the highest possible picture and audio presentation, along with three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.

Flanked by a legion of his finest Imperial stormtroopers, Darth Vader himself joined Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to announce the release, vowing "The forces of the Empire will be at your disposal to assure the success of this endeavor."

"The Star Wars Saga is the most anticipated Blu-ray collection since the launch of the high-def format," Dunn said. "The epic franchise pioneered sound and visual presentation in theaters and is perfectly suited to do it again in the home, with a viewing experience only possible with Blu-ray."

"With all six episodes available for the first time in one collection, this is a great way for families and home audiences to experience the complete Saga from start to finish," said Doug Yates, Vice President of Marketing, Online, Distribution, Lucasfilm Ltd. "And with the quality of high-definition, Blu-ray provides the most immersive home experience possible."

"The Star Wars franchise has been the most anticipated Blu-ray release by Amazon's customers," said Bill Carr, Vice President of Music and Video at Amazon.com. "We think that Star Wars will be incredibly popular with our customers, and we expect pre-orders to be very strong."

Pre-order Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com) today!

StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/themovies/saga/preorder_bluray/index.html)

[Sam Fisher]

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001175.html

[Marvolo]

Here is the announcement:http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5709

It appears if you want the special features you have to buy the complete saga set with all 6 films. There is a PT set with no features and a OT set with no features and a Complete Saga set with 9 discs which include the 6 films and 3 special features discs.

[A Necessary Evil]

Meh.

I mean I will but still...shame lucas. Shame.

[craigdbfan]

So do no copies of the OT unadulterated it seems?

And no Yoda CGI replacement for the prequels...

[DCW]

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will feature all six live-action Star Wars feature films utilizing the highest possible picture and audio presentation, along with three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.




Yes please! I'll be preordering today! :awesome:

[CGHulk]

The lightsabers and the colors and brightness of the original films haven't been fixed in that blu-ray announcement trailer. :(

[Symbiotic]

The lightsabers and the colors and brightness of the original films haven't been fixed in that blu-ray announcement trailer. :(I noticed this as well.

[steintym]

I think this sounds great. Very excited about the three bonus discs, can't wait to hear specifics on what will be included. Sounds like there will be some never before seen stuff.

[Drizzle]

The fact that the special features are only on the complete saga set doesn't bother me. That was what I was planning on getting anyway.

[steintym]

^^ Same here. I was looking forward to a package with all of the movies.

[Doctor Jones]

Did anyone else think that announcement trailer was badass? Perhaps better than alot of trailers today even?

[dark_knight08]

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001175.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001175.html)

It appears if you want the special features you have to buy the complete saga set with all 6 films. There is a PT set with no features and a OT set with no features and a Complete Saga set with 9 discs which include the 6 films and 3 special features discs.

:awesome:Oh heck ya, I'm definitely preordering this.

[Solidus]

I pre-ordered the complete saga, however I hope they do fix the lightsabers in the OT that still pisses me off.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, that just baffles me. Especially when Luke is blocking the shots in the Falcon. It's green, then it's competely white.

It annoys me to no end.

[Erzengel]

I'm going to wait to pre-order until I see if anyone is giving some goodies. I'm wondering if LucasArts is going to release some video game along the same time. :huh:

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm going to wait to pre-order until I see if anyone is giving some goodies. I'm wondering if LucasArts is going to release some video game along the same time. :huh:

Maybe a video game...a poster....some toys...re-released (in the case of the OT, Re-re-re-re-released) JW music...idk.

[Iron_Stark]

OH HELL YEAH!!

Just pre-ordered from Amazon.com, $89.99 there.

[Erzengel]

A Microsoft executive has confirmed that the Kinect based Star Wars video game (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kinect-Star-Wars-Lightsaber-Game-Comes-Christmas-2011-166074.shtml#) that the company has shown initially at the E3 presentation which focused on the motion tracking device is currently scheduled for launch in the Christmas shopping period of 2011.

I guess I have to buy a Kinect this year. :o

[spider-neil]

just pre-ordred the OT. :awesome:

no way am I getting the prequels for essentially just the darth maul fight. couldn't care less about the extras either :o

in an ideal world it would have been the threatrical release. oh well :(

[Golgo-13]

The lightsabers and the colors and brightness of the original films haven't been fixed in that blu-ray announcement trailer. :(

I hope you're not referring to the Obi Wan vs Vader duel...?:csad:

[A Necessary Evil]

I can't now ( :csad: :cmad: ) but I'm getting all six. Not afraid to admit I love the OT, and the Prequels. :up:

[spider-neil]

I'm really surprised lucas didnt release ONLY the complete set. I hate the prequels but no question I would still have bought it if that (the complete set)was the ONLY version available. and people call lucas a money grabbing whore :o

[Donut]

Did anyone else think that announcement trailer was badass? Perhaps better than alot of trailers today even?

It could have been better & I really hope the Special Features are good. Is it wrong to expect at least any & all Deleted Scenes to be fully Completed with all Special Effects & what not ?

[DCW]

I'm not really worried about the lightsaber effects and other effects based on the trailer. I think that they'd just use current DVD footage or Spike HD footage for this announcement trailer. Later on with a full trailer I think they'll show fully completed shots. Though I know some said the same thing about the DVD trailer back in 2004, but I really think that the effects will be fixed for the blu ray.

[Spideyfan93]

Definitely preordering the original trilogy. But I really hate some of the unnecessary **** added by ****headCOUGH I mean George Lucas.

Jedi Rocks in Jabba's Hut...****** HATE IT!

[spider-neil]

Definitely preordering the original trilogy. But I really hate some of the unnecessary **** added by ****headCOUGH I mean George Lucas.

Jedi Rocks in Jabba's Hut...****** HATE IT!

just grit your teeth and bear like everyone else.

han steps on jabba tail *shudder*

han shoots first *shudder*

'dounut' explosion of the death star *shudder*


to be fair to lucas the expanded entrance to the sky city in ESB is definately an improvement on the threatrical version.

[Yodaman]

I'm wondering if LucasArts is going to release some video game along the same time. :huh:

The Old Republic?

Also, it's entirely possible that the footage in the trailer isn't the restored versions of the films. They could have just used the footage they had available, it's not like they had to wait for the resmasters to come in in order to edit together bits from the Star Wars movies.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Here is the announcement:http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5709

It appears if you want the special features you have to buy the complete saga set with all 6 films. There is a PT set with no features and a OT set with no features and a Complete Saga set with 9 discs which include the 6 films and 3 special features discs.

Yeah, that doesn't bother me at all, I was getting the complete Saga no matter what. Good to see it's not coming out for months, that'll give me enough time to get a Blu-Ray player.

I'm going to wait to pre-order until I see if anyone is giving some goodies. I'm wondering if LucasArts is going to release some video game along the same time. :huh:

Yeah, same. I'm betting Best Buy will have something awesome.

I would've hoped for Battlefront 3, I remember when the OT was released on DVD, the first Battlefront came out on the same day. When Battlefront 2 was released, so was ROTS on DVD. I'm really hoping they go all out with the promotion... new figures, posters, etc. Probably won't be as extensive as when ROTS came out in theaters, but something. A new complete saga poster by Drew Struzan, anyone?

[Hellion]

The fact that the special features are only on the complete saga set doesn't bother me. That was what I was planning on getting anyway.


Ditto...can't wait, I'll be pre-ordering. :woot:

some sites are also way cheaper than the prices suggested in the article...always a good thing!

[The Caped Knight]

Here is the announcement:http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5709

It appears if you want the special features you have to buy the complete saga set with all 6 films. There is a PT set with no features and a OT set with no features and a Complete Saga set with 9 discs which include the 6 films and 3 special features discs.

Star Wars fans were treated to a glimpse of bonus material, in the form of a long-lost deleted scene from Return of the Jedi. The scene has long been talked about online -- a sequence that depicts Luke Skywalker assembling his new, green-bladed lightsaber prior to infiltrating Jabba the Hutt's palace. After completing the Jedi weapon, Luke stashes it in R2-D2's dome.

http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/mebd/bluray/index.html

[The Caped Knight]

I hope they include the extended version of the auditions of
* Mark Hamill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSjP2GBTr9U)
* Harrison Ford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpPVmyAgNHM)
* Carrie Fisher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCXrGuLix7M)

[antsman41]

Star Wars fans were treated to a glimpse of bonus material, in the form of a long-lost deleted scene from Return of the Jedi. The scene has long been talked about online -- a sequence that depicts Luke Skywalker assembling his new, green-bladed lightsaber prior to infiltrating Jabba the Hutt's palace. After completing the Jedi weapon, Luke stashes it in R2-D2's dome.

http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/mebd/bluray/index.html

Why couldn't he have ever added that, instead of Hayden ghost?

[craigdbfan]

Just hold back bits and bits of footage so you can keep doing these re-releases anytime the opportunity comes up.

Thats probably the reason.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Why couldn't he have ever added that, instead of Hayden ghost?

Probably because it totally spoils the surprise of Luke's lightsabre being fired over by R2 for the escape.
and as someone on another forum pointed out to me, at that point in the story, you don't even know Luke has a lightsabre, as he lost his last one in Empire. So when he walks into Jabba's palace weaponless, and force grabs a gun, a first time SW viewer could well think he didn't have access to a lightsabre at that point.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Back when that lightsaber scene showed up online, I saw a picture with like 15 different deleted scenes... are they ALL gonna be in the set? I'm hoping for some epic special features.

[antsman41]

Probably because it totally spoils the surprise of Luke's lightsabre being fired over by R2 for the escape.
and as someone on another forum pointed out to me, at that point in the story, you don't even know Luke has a lightsabre, as he lost his last one in Empire. So when he walks into Jabba's palace weaponless, and force grabs a gun, a first time SW viewer could well think he didn't have access to a lightsabre at that point.

Well, even though it spoils us with his lightsaber it strengthens Luke's growth of a Jedi. And, overall looks very cool...

[DarKJediKnight]

I hope they include the extended version of the auditions of
* Mark Hamill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSjP2GBTr9U)
* Harrison Ford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpPVmyAgNHM)
* Carrie Fisher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCXrGuLix7M)



Carrie Fisher is hotter in that audition clip. Just sayin'.

[Bim]

Back when that lightsaber scene showed up online, I saw a picture with like 15 different deleted scenes... are they ALL gonna be in the set? I'm hoping for some epic special features.
I have faith on George and bonus features. He's always put in cool stuff with the dvd releases.

I dont have a blu-ray and it's safe to say i'll start saving for it now so i can buy all six movies ... saga boxset, here i come! :cwink:

[spider-neil]

is it true harrison ford only turned up to read lines to an actress (who was audtioning) and was so good he got the part?

[Ipodman]

I'll wait for the Blu-ray re-release

:o Nah... must-buy for me!

[The Caped Knight]

The lightsabers and the colors and brightness of the original films haven't been fixed in that blu-ray announcement trailer. :(

See this pisses me off, Why did Lucas mess with Vader's sith lightsaber to begin with on Bespin (Cloud City) and yet not alter it in the vision sequence in the cave on Dagobah

As you can see Vader's lightsaber is red and not pink in this sequence .
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I hope they correct this error for both the Blu-Ray release and the 3D saga movie feature

[A Necessary Evil]

Back when that lightsaber scene showed up online, I saw a picture with like 15 different deleted scenes... are they ALL gonna be in the set? I'm hoping for some epic special features.

I think so. I'm mainly banking on all those ROTS scenes too...was it ever confirmed that Neeson came back? :huh:

[roach]

The lightsabers and the colors and brightness of the original films haven't been fixed in that blu-ray announcement trailer. :(

yeah they said they werent fixing anything just converting it to bluray

[Spider-Vader]

If I had a Blu-Ray, I'd soooo pre-order that set.

[spider-neil]

If I had a Blu-Ray, I'd soooo pre-order that set.


blu ray is soooo 2010, 3D blu ray is where it's at :word:

[Ipodman]

I'm waiting for glassesless 3D fo srsly. I can't afford 3D glasses for the whole family that will break after a week of child handling

[DarknessOfDeath]

So not much new eh?

[danoyse]

is it true harrison ford only turned up to read lines to an actress (who was audtioning) and was so good he got the part?

Yep. Lucas didn't want to use actors he'd previously worked with, and Ford had been in American Graffiti. The story is that Ford was doing some carpentry work in the office where Lucas was talking about Star Wars auditions and asked him if he could come in to read with the actors that were auditioning. Ford said yes, but he was really annoyed to be at the auditions when he wouldn't be able to audition himself...and it wound up helping him get the part.

[roach]

So not much new eh?

there are some deleted scenes from the OT

[DarknessOfDeath]

Like the Luke one when he's building his lightsaber in the cave before he goes to Jabba's palace?

[roach]

Like the Luke one when he's building his lightsaber in the cave before he goes to Jabba's palace?

yes

[DarknessOfDeath]

do you have aol, roach?

[roach]

do you have aol, roach?

no why?

[DarknessOfDeath]

I was just wondering. Do u have any kind of messenger like yahoo? msn?

[roach]

yeah I am on yahoo algee2000

[GREEN =w= DAY]

let me get this straight, so the only way in which you will get the bonus features like deleted/extended scenes is ONLY if you buy all 6 films together??

[Ipodman]

let me get this straight, so the only way in which you will get the bonus features like deleted/extended scenes is ONLY if you buy all 6 films together??

Yea. Or go to ebay

[bullets]

OH HELL YEAH!!

Just pre-ordered from Amazon.com, $89.99 there.



That's definitely a good deal :up:

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Yea. Or go to ebay

DAMN YOU LUCAS!!!!! :cmad:

and here i was all happy because i saw that you can buy the trilogies separately. but i wasn't too sure about the bonus features disk.

meh...guess i will buy all 6 films. Revenge of the Sith is the only one i like from the prequels anyway

[Sam Fisher]

I kinda wish Amazon would disable reviews for Pre-Orders. Now the Star Wars page is going to be full of "Oh noes! George Lucas is raping my childhood again with the special editions!!" reviews:csad:

[A Necessary Evil]

I love how fanboys are all up in arms.

"OMG I HAVE TO BUY THE PT ALSO?! UGH"

[Blackman]

Im assuming they come with digital copies?

[Ipodman]

Im assuming they come with digital copies?

No mention of digital copies... I don't use em anyway so I'm not bothered

[DarknessOfDeath]

Anyone seen the third Star Wars special of Robot Chicken? lols. Its hilarious.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

as i was checking out Amazon, i came across this little tidbit in the Original Trilogy set:

Special Features
Never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and more

so hopefully, they are right so i can avoid the prequels all together :yay:

[bullets]

Anyone seen the third Star Wars special of Robot Chicken? lols. Its hilarious.


I usually wait til they are out on dvd . I loved the second special with the Boba Fett skit , the new one looks awesome.

[DarknessOfDeath]

They are funny and better than family guy.

[Hellion]

Speaking of Family Guy/Robot Chicken...any news of Seth Green's Star Wars TV project?

[Silver Knight]

Whats happening in the cartoon. I know Anakins padawan is turning to the dark side.

[Happy Jack]

If the blu-ray release is the 2004 versions of the OT I'm not going to bother.

[redhawk23]

over the past few days Ive made my through redlettermedias infamous prequel trilogy reviews.

I actually fully agree with what he says but for some reason I doesnt stop from enjoying the films tremendously or at least TPM and RotS, I still dont like Attack of the Clones, though I hate it less than I did in 2002.

[Homer J. Fong]

Star Wars on Blu-ray, all 6 parts, 9 discs. I'm not literally salivating right now, but I may as well be. I have been waiting for this since I got my Blu-ray player (almost 3 years ago).

[A Necessary Evil]

anyone know if the deleted scenes will just be separate or integrated into the movies?

[Homer J. Fong]

If the blu-ray release is the 2004 versions of the OT I'm not going to bother.

I'm guessing the 2004 versions will not be included - but neither will the '77, '80, and '83 versions. I mean, come on, we all know how this is gonna go down; Lucas is a "perfectionist" when it comes to Star Wars, he'll never be completely satisfied, he'll probably always be tweaking them, and that'll almost certainly continue with the Blu-ray release. And then in a few years we may have a Blu-ray release of the '77, '80, and '83 versions.

[redhawk23]

I'm guessing the 2004 versions will not be included - but neither will the '77, '80, and '83 versions. I mean, come on, we all know how this is gonna go down; Lucas is a "perfectionist" when it comes to Star Wars, he'll never be completely satisfied, he'll probably always be tweaking them, and that'll almost certainly continue with the Blu-ray release. And then in a few years we may have a Blu-ray release of the '77, '80, and '83 versions.

probably not unfortunately.

[Solidus]

over the past few days Ive made my through redlettermedias infamous prequel trilogy reviews.

I actually fully agree with what he says but for some reason I doesnt stop from enjoying the films tremendously or at least TPM and RotS, I still dont like Attack of the Clones, though I hate it less than I did in 2002.

I agree with him for pretty much everything, I do enjoy some aspects of it, but I agree with his ending statement of it just being really cold and sterile, and no connection to the characters were really attempted. They had great action and some amazing looking areas, but sadly to me that was it.

[Happy Jack]

I'm guessing the 2004 versions will not be included - but neither will the '77, '80, and '83 versions. I mean, come on, we all know how this is gonna go down; Lucas is a "perfectionist" when it comes to Star Wars, he'll never be completely satisfied, he'll probably always be tweaking them, and that'll almost certainly continue with the Blu-ray release. And then in a few years we may have a Blu-ray release of the '77, '80, and '83 versions.
I would get those in a heartbeat, but knowing Lucas it won't happen. I would probably settle for the 90's versions.

[Sam Fisher]

If the blu-ray release is the 2004 versions of the OT I'm not going to bother.This was pretty much confirmed last Augest.

[Homer J. Fong]

Hey, they were released on DVD in 2006; of course, they weren't remastered from the old laserdisc transfers and they were treated as bonus features, but still.

[Sam Fisher]

Yeah...but the least Lucas could have done was make them anamorphic widescreen.

[Hellion]

edit...

[Hellion]

Maybe we can eventually get a blu-ray release of the Ewok Adventure (Caravan of Courage) & Battle for Endor...

...I think I've asked this before, but not sure, but the Ewok tv-films and cartoon take place between ESB & ROTJ its not like the Droids cartoon, which takes place between ROTS and ANH...

...My dream list of extras for the Blu-Ray release still stands: I know it would never happen, but I wouldn't mind having the Holiday Special (favorite part was Bea Arthur's portion), the Star Tours footage, the Ewok's tv-films, and the live-action footage from Rebel Assault II: Hidden Empire and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II on a bonus disc as nice supplemental material---to me the "Saga" wouldn't be complete without all live-action footage included...no matter how silly...

...

[bullets]

over the past few days Ive made my through redlettermedias infamous prequel trilogy reviews.

I actually fully agree with what he says but for some reason I doesn't stop from enjoying the films tremendously or at least TPM and RotS, I still dont like Attack of the Clones, though I hate it less than I did in 2002.


I'm the same way. I agree fully with his review but even if the prequels aren't perfect I can still enjoy them on some level.

[lespaul59]

Yeah...but the least Lucas could have done was make them anamorphic widescreen.
If you mean making them 16x9 I agree 100%. I would also take the '97 versions, well I would like to have all three versions on BR.
I'm the same way. I agree fully with his review but even if the prequels aren't perfect I can still enjoy them on some level.

I actually like the 3rd part/end of the review. After rewatching the PT I've been thinking Lucas went for style over substance but I still like them.

[A Necessary Evil]

I really enjoy all the reviews on amazon.

Fandumb at its finest. :rolleyes:

[Happy Jack]

I think there's a certain wisdom in separating emotional attachment to something and its objective quality. There are movies I like that I know are not really good movies, that parts just don't work for whatever reason. That's also true the other way around, with movies I don't particularly enjoy but recognize that they are well crafted.

[bullets]

I think there's a certain wisdom in separating emotional attachment to something and its objective quality. There are movies I like that I know are not really good movies, that parts just don't work for whatever reason. That's also true the other way around, with movies I don't particularly enjoy but recognize that they are well crafted.


I think that's how everyone should be to some extent.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Maybe we can eventually get a blu-ray release of the Ewok Adventure (Caravan of Courage) & Battle for Endor...

...I think I've asked this before, but not sure, but the Ewok tv-films and cartoon take place between ESB & ROTJ its not like the Droids cartoon, which takes place between ROTS and ANH...

...My dream list of extras for the Blu-Ray release still stands: I know it would never happen, but I wouldn't mind having the Holiday Special (favorite part was Bea Arthur's portion), the Star Tours footage, the Ewok's tv-films, and the live-action footage from Rebel Assault II: Hidden Empire and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II on a bonus disc as nice supplemental material---to me the "Saga" wouldn't be complete without all live-action footage included...no matter how silly...

...

i sure hope they do include Star Tours footage considering that the one we all know is already gone and will be replaced with an updated one later this year. it will be a great way to relive the ride at home. probably asking for too much, but it would be pretty cool to have an interview with Paul Reubens and a behind the scenes featurette about the ride

[spider-neil]

Yep. Lucas didn't want to use actors he'd previously worked with, and Ford had been in American Graffiti. The story is that Ford was doing some carpentry work in the office where Lucas was talking about Star Wars auditions and asked him if he could come in to read with the actors that were auditioning. Ford said yes, but he was really annoyed to be at the auditions when he wouldn't be able to audition himself...and it wound up helping him get the part.

it's destiny. I can't imagine anyone playing han, or indy or deckard.
ford stars in 3 of my top 10 movies of all time.

[Timstuff]

I doubt that the source footage for the Star Wars Holiday special has survived the ravages of time. It was never re-distributed officially, and I doubt that any effort has been made to preserve it. Even if high quality footage was still available, I highly doubt Lucas would include it since it is one of the few pieces of Star Wars marketing that he has openly expressed shame over. It still exists in the bowels of the internet and buried in fans' video cassette collections, and personally I like it that way.

I think it's great that there are some things about Star Wars that are still somewhat illusive, because that's part of the mystique of the franchise. Most people don't even know that the holiday special exists, which makes it one of those things that real Star Wars fans are "in" on. When I find out one of my friends likes Star Wars and has never heard of the special, I get an evil grin on my face, and when Christmas rolls around I make them watch it. "You don't love Star Wars, unless you've seen the holiday special and still love Star Wars" I'd tell the. I almost miss the days before the widespread use of the internet, because back then the special was even rarer, and I was the only person I knew who actually had a tape of it.

If the special ever got an official release, I think that it would kill much of what makes it so infamous. It has already been as well preserved and archived as Lucas ever could even if he wanted to, and I think it should remain what it is-- a thing of myth, a rite of passage within the Star Wars fandom to be shared and propagated across the internet and at conventions. No matter which part of the Star Wars fandom you part of, whether you are someone who loves all the movies, a purist who hates everything except the original 1977 Star Wars film, or you're George Lucas himself, our universal hatred of the Star Wars Holiday Special unites us.

[spider-neil]

Hey, they were released on DVD in 2006; of course, they weren't remastered from the old laserdisc transfers and they were treated as bonus features, but still.

the quality was a disgrace. I started watching star wars and the quality was so bad I said 'frigg this' and went to the special editions and bit my lip through the horrible CGI. the part that made me eject my dvd and switch over is on the millelium falcon gun shoot out in space and you can see the tie fighters THROUGH the metal of the MF. this of course is matted perfectly in the SE.

there are about 4 scenes that make me cringe in the SE, I can live with that.

[spidey-dude]

Maybe we can eventually get a blu-ray release of the Ewok Adventure (Caravan of Courage) & Battle for Endor...

...I think I've asked this before, but not sure, but the Ewok tv-films and cartoon take place between ESB & ROTJ its not like the Droids cartoon, which takes place between ROTS and ANH...

...My dream list of extras for the Blu-Ray release still stands: I know it would never happen, but I wouldn't mind having the Holiday Special (favorite part was Bea Arthur's portion), the Star Tours footage, the Ewok's tv-films, and the live-action footage from Rebel Assault II: Hidden Empire and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II on a bonus disc as nice supplemental material---to me the "Saga" wouldn't be complete without all live-action footage included...no matter how silly...

...


I was under the impression they were set after ROTJ ill check the dvd later but im pretty sure it says on the back that it is set after the fall of the empire

[Timstuff]

For as much hate as the SE's get, the special effects in the originals don't hold up as well as some people would like to claim. Poor matting is easily the worst amongst the OOT's trilogy's shortcomings. That doesn't mean Lucas gets a free pass on Greedo shooting first or the retroactive re-casting of Boba Fett and Anakin Skywalker, but if you want the "pure" Star Wars experience you have to accept that looking good is not necessarily on the agenda, even if it weren't for the horrible laser disc rips that Lucas used in liu of new anamorphic transfers.

But hey, if you really need the OOT versions of the trilogy in better picture quality, at least the fandom has stepped in to fill the void. Guys like Adywan and others have made some pretty impressive efforts to digitally restore anamorphic transfers of the original prints to a more acceptable quality than the crappy official laserdisc rips. Example in the spoiler box:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/360/comparisons.jpg

[roach]

looking at the trailer for the blurays i didnt notice before how much Hayden looks like Mark..."i am a jedi like my father before me" and then it flashes to Anakin...they look related

[Saved]

New clone wars tonight!

[Bim]

New clone wars tonight!
Woo thanks for the heads up! i totally forgot :o

[craigdbfan]

For as much hate as the SE's get, the special effects in the originals don't hold up as well as some people would like to claim. Poor matting is easily the worst amongst the OOT's trilogy's shortcomings. That doesn't mean Lucas gets a free pass on Greedo shooting first or the retroactive re-casting of Boba Fett and Anakin Skywalker, but if you want the "pure" Star Wars experience you have to accept that looking good is not necessarily on the agenda, even if it weren't for the horrible laser disc rips that Lucas used in liu of new anamorphic transfers.

But hey, if you really need the OOT versions of the trilogy in better picture quality, at least the fandom has stepped in to fill the void. Guys like Adywan and others have made some pretty impressive efforts to digitally restore anamorphic transfers of the original prints to a more acceptable quality than the crappy official laserdisc rips. Example in the spoiler box:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/360/comparisons.jpg

If only George would give us an updated version with restored mattes, updated CGI, and color correction but unadulterated by "added" CGI. I mean how hard is that. Just give us an updated copy of the theatrical along with the Elder Lucas 04' editions.

Seeing as it won't happen with this massive Blu Ray release, I've lost almost all hope in ever seeing this released officially from Lucas. Oh well.

New clone wars tonight!

Yay!

[Kurosawa]

Before the 2004 versions came out, they claimed they were the 1997 SE editions, so I'm still not 100% convinced there won't be some color corrections and maybe a Yoda replacement in TPM.

The only film in the series that needs a major reedit is AOTC, and it needs a TON of work. The new fan cuts made from this set will be cool to see.

[craigdbfan]

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse but I'm having a hard time seeing as to why Lucas has made it so difficult to just simply do minor updates on the OT (color, matte, and CGI restoration not addition) and releasing that copy alongside the Elder Lucas 97/04 version.

I mean shouldn't it be a breeze. Either this is a way of Lucas subconsciously trying to stick it to the "man" who he felt restricted him back in the day, whereas now he can basically do anything he damn well pleases with his movies or he just doesn't really like the OT without ILM's forced CGI tinkering (which is ordered by him).

[Hellion]

New clone wars tonight!

set a reminder last night

[Hellion]

i sure hope they do include Star Tours footage considering that the one we all know is already gone and will be replaced with an updated one later this year. it will be a great way to relive the ride at home. probably asking for too much, but it would be pretty cool to have an interview with Paul Reubens and a behind the scenes featurette about the ride

Agreed...Star Tours was the only reason I went to Disneyland...:csad:...



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[DCW]

I know it's been said a couple of times but the reviews on Amazon are driving me nuts! It shouldn't be able to affect the actual product review until the item has actually been released!

[A Necessary Evil]

Well it comes with the prequels teh worst moviez evur!1!!1!11

:rolleyes:

[spidey-dude]

Agreed...Star Tours was the only reason I went to Disneyland...:csad:...



...

yeeeah i remember meeting (and getting photos with) chewie wicket a stormtrooper and an r2d2 unit

allegedly (this coes from my mum when trying to embarass me) I told chewie I loved him :woot: haha

I dont believe her becaue I knew mickey and them lot were guys in costumes so I presume I knew chewie and wicket were too unless I was so overwhelmed with meeting him

[danoyse]

I doubt that the source footage for the Star Wars Holiday special has survived the ravages of time. It was never re-distributed officially, and I doubt that any effort has been made to preserve it. Even if high quality footage was still available, I highly doubt Lucas would include it since it is one of the few pieces of Star Wars marketing that he has openly expressed shame over. It still exists in the bowels of the internet and buried in fans' video cassette collections, and personally I like it that way.


When I was at the Star Wars Celebration in Denver before the release of TPM, Anthony Daniels was the emcee and he was taking questions from the audience. One person asked if the Holiday Special would ever be released...so he asked for a show of hands of how many people had written Lucasfilm asking for an official release of the Holiday Special.

A good number of people raised their hands, and Daniels responded "And have you all gotten death threats from their legal department?" :funny:

So no, they're never going to release it. And that's probably a good thing.

And just showing my advanced age here...I actually watched that sucker when it aired. I was 4 at the time. It was Star Wars on TV! :doh:

[craigdbfan]

The holiday special literally gets my stomach in a twirl.

[Doctor Jones]

Anyone seen that Han at Chewbacca's home segment.

Good God... the inner pain Ford must have went through.

It's goddamn hilarious though.

No wonder we haven't seen it since then. Lucas doesn't want anything to do with it.

[Kurosawa]

When I was at the Star Wars Celebration in Denver before the release of TPM, Anthony Daniels was the emcee and he was taking questions from the audience. One person asked if the Holiday Special would ever be released...so he asked for a show of hands of how many people had written Lucasfilm asking for an official release of the Holiday Special.

A good number of people raised their hands, and Daniels responded "And have you all gotten death threats from their legal department?" :funny:

So no, they're never going to release it. And that's probably a good thing.

And just showing my advanced age here...I actually watched that sucker when it aired. I was 4 at the time. It was Star Wars on TV! :doh:

I saw it when I was 10 and thought it was the most awesome thing since, well, Star Wars. I even started listening to Jefferson Starship because of it.

Maybe they could throw the Boba Fett cartoon on this set somewhere, but yeah...even I can't sit through it, and I watch a LOT of 70's schlock.

[bullets]

I know it's been said a couple of times but the reviews on Amazon are driving me nuts! It shouldn't be able to affect the actual product review until the item has actually been released!


I'm confused because amazon merges reviews and it's kind of a mess to sort through.

[danoyse]

I saw it when I was 10 and thought it was the most awesome thing since, well, Star Wars. I even started listening to Jefferson Starship because of it.

Maybe they could throw the Boba Fett cartoon on this set somewhere, but yeah...even I can't sit through it, and I watch a LOT of 70's schlock.

My mom said the best thing about it was that it worked as an excellent bribery tool. She said I couldn't watch unless I cleaned my room, finished dinner, etc.

And I did all of it in record time...so I could watch the Star Wars Holiday Special. Dear god.... :dry:

[Timstuff]

My mom said the best thing about it was that it worked as an excellent bribery tool. She said I couldn't watch unless I cleaned my room, finished dinner, etc.

And I did all of it in record time...so I could watch the Star Wars Holiday Special. Dear god.... :dry:

Good lord... That's like telling your kid to dig a hole for a swimming pool, and then it urns out they're actually digging their own grave!

[craigdbfan]

Good lord... That's like telling your kid to dig a hole for a swimming pool, and then it urns out they're actually digging their own grave!

Thats a great analogy. :lmao:

[danoyse]

Good lord... That's like telling your kid to dig a hole for a swimming pool, and then it urns out they're actually digging their own grave!

I was 4! And I loved it! My mom thought it was dreadful (and so did I, seeing it again years later). :wow:

[DCW]

I'm confused because amazon merges reviews and it's kind of a mess to sort through.

That too! It really drives me nuts.

[blksuperman2]

Awesome, awesome episode of the Clone Wars tonight. Part I of the Night Sisters or whatever they're called. I read somewhere that the Producers changed Aurra Sings backstory as not to confuse Ventress'. It was cool seeing how Ventress first came to the dark side.

[lespaul59]

I'm confused because amazon merges reviews and it's kind of a mess to sort through.

What I can't stand is when I try to read a review about a say a directors cut or something similer and you have to dig through all of the reviews to find one maybe two that actually have info that's usefull.

[bullets]

I didn't notice it until I started looking for blu ray reviews , something like that should be corrected , it's completely ridiculous.

[MOVIELORD101]

Got a press email about the Blu-Ray release date a few days ago (I"ve been getting them ever since I got approved for a press pass for NY Comic Con last year), and they offered to send me a free review copy of the "Complete Saga" set when it comes out. Normally, I wouldn't buy this set (I already have all 6 films on DVD), but since they offered this for free, I agreed yo have Fox send me one (since the email was from them). Cool, huh?

[roach]

was last nights Clone wars awesome or what

[spidey-dude]

Got a press email about the Blu-Ray release date a few days ago (I"ve been getting them ever since I got approved for a press pass for NY Comic Con last year), and they offered to send me a free review copy of the "Complete Saga" set when it comes out. Normally, I wouldn't buy this set (I already have all 6 films on DVD), but since they offered this for free, I agreed yo have Fox send me one (since the email was from them). Cool, huh?

how the hell did you get a press pass??? ive blagged passes to things before (most notably this summer and if i had my old pass with me when i went back to manchester I could have used it to get on the cap america set stupid stupid stupid) but have no idea how you could get a press pass to comic con!

[Sam Fisher]

Got a press email about the Blu-Ray release date a few days ago (I"ve been getting them ever since I got approved for a press pass for NY Comic Con last year), and they offered to send me a free review copy of the "Complete Saga" set when it comes out. Normally, I wouldn't buy this set (I already have all 6 films on DVD), but since they offered this for free, I agreed yo have Fox send me one (since the email was from them). Cool, huh?

how the hell did you get a press pass??? ive blagged passes to things before (most notably this summer and if i had my old pass with me when i went back to manchester I could have used it to get on the cap america set stupid stupid stupid) but have no idea how you could get a press pass to comic con!
How you got so lucky, you must tell us:cwink:

[spidey-dude]

well i worked at pinewood film studios, so had a pass to get in and for my car.....I kinda sorta lied when i was getting the card done tho and told the girl on the desk i worked for a different company (actually related to film) as she didnt look arsed and only skim read my actual companys letter I got a film studio pass

then when i worked there this year they had me on file so just gve me a new one.....still with the wrong company :D

[Doctor Jones]

Great Clone Wars episode.

Dooku finally got his moment. He ****ing owned all three of them blind!

And the Nightsisters are a great aspect of the SW universe. Are they new? Because i do remember the head Nightsister as a concept art piece for ROTS. I think it was for Grevious.

[Bim]

Good lord... That's like telling your kid to dig a hole for a swimming pool, and then it urns out they're actually digging their own grave!
Oh god, this was good :funny:

Really enjoyed last night's CW episode. It's good to have it back :woot:

[Yodaman]

The Nighsisters were originally from the novel "The Courtship of Princess Leia". It's been like six years since I read that book, so I couldn't tell you how much the CW crew changed them or not.

Ditto to all the above praise for the new episode.

[MOVIELORD101]

How you got so lucky, you must tell us:cwink:Simple, really. Sheer dumb luck! And, no I'm not making this up. I still have the pass, if you guys would like me to post a picture on here as proof.

[Hellion]

Great Clone Wars episode.

Dooku finally got his moment. He ****ing owned all three of them blind!

And the Nightsisters are a great aspect of the SW universe. Are they new? Because i do remember the head Nightsister as a concept art piece for ROTS. I think it was for Grevious.

I think the head nightsister was concept for Darth Maul, but maybe I'm wrong...

...favorite episode this season...:woot:

[Sam Fisher]

Did anyone notice that Jar Jar Binks is trending on Twitter right now?:oldrazz:

[Doctor Jones]

... why?

[Sam Fisher]

Who knows.

[spidey-dude]

episode 1 is on tv over here at the moment (free tv)

perhaps thats why

[Hush]

I loved the Blu-ray trailer. Made the movies seem more epic than they are haha.

[DCW]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/Blue450Rider/100_2240.jpg


Just picked this up for pretty cheap. It's good to satisfy my inner geek occasionally.

[8wid]

Who else thinks that we didn't need an entire prequel trilogy to tell the story of Vader's downfall, perhaps just one film?

If you watch ROTS without ever seeing TPM or AOTC, you will be just as informed as you were if you had. We only needed to see Vader's temptation and the duel to get the point across.

[Gamma Ray]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/Blue450Rider/100_2240.jpg


Just picked this up for pretty cheap. It's good to satisfy my inner geek occasionally.

:up: My favorite lightsaber.

[CGHulk]

Who else thinks that we didn't need an entire prequel trilogy to tell the story of Vader's downfall, perhaps just one film?

If you watch ROTS without ever seeing TPM or AOTC, you will be just as informed as you were if you had. We only needed to see Vader's temptation and the duel to get the point across.
I always thought that there should of been one movie from the start. Here's what I wanted to see, before the prequels came out. People cloning themselves to fight on the battle field, as why it's called The Clone Wars. Actually I think the whole clones leading up to becoming stormtroopers is a lot better in the final films. I wanted Obi-Wan to meet Anakin on the battle field. Obi-Wan saw Anakin kicking some major butt, displaying force chokes and using the force grabs taking enemies weapons. He was in his mid or late 20's with black or brown hair and he was a captain. As time went on Obi-Wan and Anakin were kicking butt side by side on the battle filed and eventually became good friends. Obi-Wan then brought Anakin to Yoda because he saw how strong he was in the force. Yoda saw that Anakin was to dark, but Obi-Wan taught him despite his master forbidding him. Obi-Wan fell in love with Anakin's woman and they had an affair and Anakin caught them together. Anakin went crazy with jealousy, and went ballistic. Anakin went to the Dark Side and Anakin had to take him down because he was a Sith. Leia fled to Alderaan and raised Leia and dying a few years later. Obi-Wan watched over Luke out of guilt for ruining all their lives. In my version of the prequels I never had the Emperor in there, because I never liked the Emperor. So Anakin being seduced was never part of what I wanted in the films. In a sense having Palpatine seduce Anakin is in perfect line with original films because Obi-Wan said Vader was seduced by the dark side of the force, as someone seduced him.

[Ipodman]

Who else thinks that we didn't need an entire prequel trilogy to tell the story of Vader's downfall, perhaps just one film?

If you watch ROTS without ever seeing TPM or AOTC, you will be just as informed as you were if you had. We only needed to see Vader's temptation and the duel to get the point across.


I feel exactly that way!

After watching episode 4, 5, 6, you can just go to episode 3 and you are fine!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thats what I have done several times lol. I only have ROTS on DVD since I no longer own EP1 and EP2. Watching just ROTS and the OT, its like a 4 part story rather than a six part story but then again, there are some things that happen in EP1 and EP2 that you may want to keep in mind. For me, its the important scenes when Anakin takes his first step towards the dark side as he slaughters the Tusken Raiders in revenge because of the loss of his mother.

[Doctor Jones]

I think we need the other two. Anakin's recklessness and past wit his anger and emotions come from the first two films and that all comes back to bite him in the ass in the third.

[Golgo-13]

I've always wondered what Palpatine/Sidious hoped to achieved by having Grevious kidnap him at the beginning of EPIII (i assume it was Sidious' plan, as Dooku orchestrated it); and, if Grevious knew that Sidious was Palpatine...?

[Doctor Jones]

I think it was a way for Anakin to kill Dooku and for him to get an encounter with Palpatine of doing something crucial. So Anakin would listen to Palpatine more. They already had a solid relationship, but if Anakin went after him and rescued him, they would get closer I think.

[Ipodman]

I'm wondering... what entitles you to become a Jedi? Why can't Han Solo become a Jedi but Leia can? /He asks sincerely.

[Doctor Jones]

Well you have to be force sensitive. This starts at a very young age and then you are sent to the academy when you're 4 or so to start training.

Everybody isn't force sensitive.

[CGHulk]

I've always wondered what Palpatine/Sidious hoped to achieved by having Grevious kidnap him at the beginning of EPIII (i assume it was Sidious' plan, as Dooku orchestrated it); and, if Grevious knew that Sidious was Palpatine...?
To get Anakin to kill Dooku and give into his anger.

[Yodaman]

It probably also helped to get the senators in Coruscant more panicky about the war, making the transition from republic to empire easier.

[DarKJediKnight]

I always thought that there should of been one movie from the start. Here's what I wanted to see, before the prequels came out. People cloning themselves to fight on the battle field, as why it's called The Clone Wars. Actually I think the whole clones leading up to becoming stormtroopers is a lot better in the final films. I wanted Obi-Wan to meet Anakin on the battle field. Obi-Wan saw Anakin kicking some major butt, displaying force chokes and using the force grabs taking enemies weapons. He was in his mid or late 20's with black or brown hair and he was a captain. As time went on Obi-Wan and Anakin were kicking butt side by side on the battle filed and eventually became good friends. Obi-Wan then brought Anakin to Yoda because he saw how strong he was in the force. Yoda saw that Anakin was to dark, but Obi-Wan taught him despite his master forbidding him. Obi-Wan fell in love with Anakin's woman and they had an affair and Anakin caught them together. Anakin went crazy with jealousy, and went ballistic. Anakin went to the Dark Side and Anakin had to take him down because he was a Sith. Leia fled to Alderaan and raised Leia and dying a few years later. Obi-Wan watched over Luke out of guilt for ruining all their lives. In my version of the prequels I never had the Emperor in there, because I never liked the Emperor. So Anakin being seduced was never part of what I wanted in the films. In a sense having Palpatine seduce Anakin is in perfect line with original films because Obi-Wan said Vader was seduced by the dark side of the force, as someone seduced him.

:nono:

[blksuperman2]

Back in like '99 this guy I was stationed w/ in Germany told me that Obi-Wan slept w/ Padme and that's why Anakin went nutso. It's actually a pretty interesting theory and better IMO than what we got. He also said that some crystal that Palpatine made him find caused him to have "Dark" feelings or something too. lol, I'm glad I never got caught up in the extended universe throughout the years.

[Darkness Falls]

Well you have to be force sensitive. This starts at a very young age and then you are sent to the academy when you're 4 or so to start training.

Everybody isn't force sensitive.

in one of the young boba fett novels dooku offers to train him in the ways of the force, this took place shortly after the end of episode 2
he turned down the offer, but whether it were possible or not is unknown, i think dooku was trying to play on boba's anger/hate over the loss of jango

[CGHulk]

Back in like '99 this guy I was stationed w/ in Germany told me that Obi-Wan slept w/ Padme and that's why Anakin went nutso. It's actually a pretty interesting theory and better IMO than what we got. He also said that some crystal that Palpatine made him find caused him to have "Dark" feelings or something too. lol, I'm glad I never got caught up in the extended universe throughout the years.
The whole Padme cheating on Anakin is what a lot of people wanted. When George was showing the final film to to employees at Lucasfilm, someone spoke out during the movie angrily at the fact that there was Obi-Wan Padme betrayal. George got on the phone with Spielberg about second guessing the film, and Spielberg gave George his support that he should stay true to his original treatment he created 20 years prior. It's all in the Making of Revenge of the Sith book. I like the whole betrayal aspect, it reminds me of the Lancelot and Guinevere betrayal in the Arthurian Legend.

It's called the Kaiburr crystal!

[Timstuff]

:nono:

Agreed. That's not the first time I've heard a proposition for an Anakin / Padme / Obi-Wan triangle, and I've always hated it. It greatly cheapens Anakin's descent to the dark side and his lust for power, because he would have been betrayed by Obi-Wan outright rather than being the traitor himself. Also, it would give Luke reason to have serious beef with Obi-Wan, as well. How would you feel if you found out that a man you'd once respected not only lied about where your father was, but also had an affair with your mother? I'd be pretty darned pissed, even as a viewer, and frankly I'm glad Lucas did not sully the character's reputation by showing him as a carnal and covetous man.