Star Wars 2.0

[roach]

And the fact he only appears for like 15 seconds. It could slip your mind. It's Hamill all right.

he even mentioned it at Celebration

"Wow you guys see me and nothing but the moment I light up the lightsaber you guys go crazy"

John Stewart mentioned that that scene calls into question if Luke joined the dark side or not...if you had seen that scene and the the next time we see Luke he is gesturing at Jabba's guards....which Lucas said he intended

[Octoberist]

I just hope that there will be some changes with the blu-ray. I would buy it if they actually went back and just the original "Han Shoots Greedo" first scene.

I don't care about the CGI aliens, that Jabba scene with Han, or whatever. But I think the most awkward change was the 'Greedo' scene. It ruined the pacing. AND it was awkward to watch because there's leaps of logic that were thrown out. It just never worked.

[roach]

I hate to be the one to say this but I think its time to let the Greedo shooting first thing go....its not on anyone's radar. the Bluray will be the special editions. The original versions will never be seen again. I have made peace with this. Let go of your hate

[Sam Fisher]

I hate to be the one to say this but I think its time to let the Greedo shooting first thing go....its not on anyone's radar. the Bluray will be the special editions. The original versions will never be seen again. I have made peace with this. Let go of your hate
This. The Greedo Shoots First thing never really bothered me anyway.

[Doctor Jones]

I highly doubt it's going back to the original form. I just see the SE as Lucas' original vision they way he meant it, but didn't have the money to do when he made them. I was surprised he still respected the SFX guys work on all the films. He just added, but didn't replace. Only replaced what made sense, and come on, it did. Namely Anakin's head replacement. Which doesn't bother me. Anakin lost his humanity in ROTS. So he goes back to his form from that point. Hell, a Jedi might have a choice to appear in their form when they are one with the force. He might have chose his prequel self because that's when he was with Padme and remember being with people who cared about him.

[Doctor Jones]

This. The Greedo Shoots First thing never really bothered me anyway.

It's kind of awkward, but it doesn't bother me. Now that moment is engrained in my mind. Sorry. :oldrazz: I'm not used to Han shooting first anymore. I think that is when people started getting out their pitchforks.

[roach]

This. The Greedo Shoots First thing never really bothered me anyway.

i thought it was always cooler than Han was able to just move and shoot Greedo

[Octoberist]

edit

[Octoberist]

It will always be the scene that kinda defined Han, for me. That moment was like The Joker doing the pencil trick.

I've let Star Wars go a long ago only because..it's something different now. That's how it is. I will always love them but it's a different beast.

[Doctor Jones]

Same here. I mean the edit is kind of awkward, but to me when I think about han shooting first, the beat is not as cool. "Yes, I bet you have." BOOM!

Then that cut and Greedo gets his head blown away. I think the beats works better with Han moving his head and then shooting. To me it made Han be more badass. He saw it coming, but then took charge. It makes Greedo look more stupid anyway if Han shot first. Who made the rules that said, "But Greedo is suppose to be stupid!" anyway? It reflects poorly off of Jabba at hiring stupid bounty hunters as well.

[Doctor Jones]

It will always be the scene that kinda defined Han, for me. That moment was like The Joker doing the pencil trick.

I've let Star Wars go a long ago only because..it's something different now. That's how it is. I will always love them but it's a different beast.

I don't get why people do this. The prequels don't determine the quality of the rest of the series. The OT is always there for people who just want those. Lucas had this whole universe in his mind that went beyond the OT back when he was writing the script. it was why he knew it couldn't be done in one film. Besides, people are missing out on the Clone Wars series.

[Octoberist]

Well, I'm speaking for myself. To me, it's just a snowball effect that became in avalanche.

I've spoken to my friends about the blu-rays. They're all causual fans and they rolled their eyes. They all thought the same thing. But at the same time, that's just us.

In someone else's eyes, it's just pure business and trying to keep Star Wars alive for the next generation. But you cannot deny the polar split between some of the fans. I don't think there's people who actually HATE Lucas. Maybe just the hardcore nerds. I think it's a split between the faithful and the indifferent.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't get what the hell is so wrong with watching SW on Blu Ray? Hell, something like that is meant to be seen on Blu Ray. Science fiction in all its glory in pristine quality? It's not about the money. Lucas has all of it already, he's releasing his films on Blu Ray lilke all the other movies are.

[Octoberist]

I wouldn't mind buying on Blu-Ray.

[Spider-Who?]

Same here. I mean the edit is kind of awkward, but to me when I think about han shooting first, the beat is not as cool. "Yes, I bet you have." BOOM!

Then that cut and Greedo gets his head blown away. I think the beats works better with Han moving his head and then shooting. To me it made Han be more badass. He saw it coming, but then took charge. It makes Greedo look more stupid anyway if Han shot first. Who made the rules that said, "But Greedo is suppose to be stupid!" anyway? It reflects poorly off of Jabba at hiring stupid bounty hunters as well.

i think i see what you mean, but for me its, the opposite. With the new version, Greedo looks like a bumbling fool because he missed a guy who was completely still, not 3 feet from him. At least with the original, Greedo wasn't expecting it.

[Doctor Jones]

i think i see what you mean, but for me its, the opposite. With the new version, Greedo looks like a bumbling fool because he missed a guy who was completely still, not 3 feet from him. At least with the original, Greedo wasn't expecting it.

Haha true. :woot: Maybe Jabba just hired the wrong guy both ways in general. :oldrazz:

[roach]

I don't get why people do this. The prequels don't determine the quality of the rest of the series. The OT is always there for people who just want those. Lucas had this whole universe in his mind that went beyond the OT back when he was writing the script. it was why he knew it couldn't be done in one film. Besides, people are missing out on the Clone Wars series.

I was like this. I had let it go and allowed what other people thought to influence my decisions. I had dismissed Clone Wars as a child's show.Then I went to Celebration 5 and it opened my eyes. It rekindled this love I had with Star Wars. I remember a moment that got me choked up. They had these remote controlled R2-D2s rolling around and this little kid...maybe 5-6 years old went up to it. It was almost like that scene from ROTJ when Wicket looks into R2's sensor. That was magic. This child thought he was meeting R2 and not a toy or a person in a suit. It made me remember how I was when I first saw Star Wars.It opened my eyes about a lot of things and negativity.
I could spend the rest of my life mad about one scene or make peace with it and return to something I love.
I had gone to the Clone wars season 3 sneak peek and the lead director had mentioned how sometimes he doesnt agree with what Lucas does but once he finds out why he does something it makes sense. It especially mentioned Asoka and how he told Lucas "But Anakin doesnt have a padawan." But when he found out the main story line for her it made sense in the grand scheme of things. I had dismissed this cartoon that GL had been working on...I went out and bought the bluray and loved the first episode.
I was mad about a lot of things but I think I am going to let them go(Spider-marriage/OMIT, CA movie costume) and dwell on the positive side of things....because anger leads to the dark side:woot:

[david icke]

It will always be the scene that kinda defined Han, for me. That moment was like The Joker doing the pencil trick.



Yeah, I agree completely, it is the one thing out of all the changes that still bugs me, for that reason too. As you said earlier, all the other changes pale compared to that one, and i couldn't care less about them either in comparison to that one.
But, I'm not going to say anymore about it.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

The only changes I want done to the OT are updating the blaster bolts and saber blades.

I'm probably the only one that thinks this, but I've always kinda wanted JEJ to redub all his lines in ANH. Vader always sounded different in that compared to in 5 and 6. His voice just didn't resonate as much or something. Maybe it's just me.

[DCW]

I'll I can say is never say never. Yes, it will be the special editions coming out on blu ray, however in ESB they inserted a scream when Luke falls after his duel with Vader (as many know) but in the 2004 DVD it was taken out. So I think that it may be possible for a special edition change to be changed back to its original state, or at least altered again.

Personally the Han/Greedo scene doesn't make or break the movie for me, but I must say that I prefer the original version of it, and thats coming from someone who doesn't mind the special edition versions at all.

In fact I hope theres a few more changes made to both the prequels and classics, even though thats probably against popular opinion. Though it would be a dream come true for both the remastered original and special editions to come out on the blu ray disks.

[Kurosawa]

i think i see what you mean, but for me its, the opposite. With the new version, Greedo looks like a bumbling fool because he missed a guy who was completely still, not 3 feet from him. At least with the original, Greedo wasn't expecting it.

The shootout with a guy missing at point blank range has been in a ton of westerns...guys arguing over cards, both shoot, one misses the other one doesn't. That's what the edited version more or less is. It's just there was no internet and no "John Ford raped my childhood" losers like the TPM reviewer guy back then.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

In fact I hope theres a few more changes made to both the prequels and classics, even though thats probably against popular opinion. Though it would be a dream come true for both the remastered original and special editions to come out on the blu ray disks.

Personally I'd love expanded versions with all the deleted scenes, or at least the option to watch with all scenes edited in.

[DCW]

^Me as well.

I understand peoples love for the original piece of work. I have total respect for it, and have fond memories of seeing the magic of it when I was a child. But now that the prequels have come out, which totally enhance the story for me personally, I'd love to see changes made that tie the whole saga together.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i went to Disneyland yesterday and Star Tours was already closed down :csad:

apparently, it shut down July 27 and won't re-open until next year

idiots at the Disney facebook page said it was going to close down in October. yeah right!! :cmad:

i'm gonna miss that ride; just glad that when i last went to Disneyland back in January i rode on it 3 times that day

hope the new version is good

[DCW]

:csad: they're taking down the deleted scene from rotj...

[Hellion]

the Bluray will be the special editions. The original versions will never be seen again. I have made peace with this.

As much as I don't want to......agreed......

[Hellion]

i went to Disneyland yesterday and Star Tours was already closed down :csad:

apparently, it shut down July 27 and won't re-open until next year

idiots at the Disney facebook page said it was going to close down in October. yeah right!! :cmad:

i'm gonna miss that ride; just glad that when i last went to Disneyland back in January i rode on it 3 times that day

hope the new version is good

I was hoping to get to Disneyland before it closed down......I've been getting messages from Disney and Star Wars.com that it would eventually be closing down (i've been getting those messages the last few months)......:csad::(

At least I have my memories......thats always been my favorite ride......LOL

...now that I think about it...I'd like to add the Original Star Tours ride footage to the list of bonus material for the Star Wars BLu Ray release......at some point I said I would like the Live-Action Ewok Films, and the live-action scenes from Rebel Assault II and Jedi Knight Dark Forces II as a bonus on future dvd or blu releases......I'd also like to add Star Tours to that list........

[roach]

actually all this weekend they were doing the Last tour to Endor before it went down...Lucas and his family with some fans rode the last one

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I was hoping to get to Disneyland before it closed down......I've been getting messages from Disney and Star Wars.com that it would eventually be closing down (i've been getting those messages the last few months)......:csad::(

At least I have my memories......thats always been my favorite ride......LOL

...now that I think about it...I'd like to add the Original Star Tours ride footage to the list of bonus material for the Star Wars BLu Ray release......at some point I said I would like the Live-Action Ewok Films, and the live-action scenes from Rebel Assault II and Jedi Knight Dark Forces II as a bonus on future dvd or blu releases......I'd also like to add Star Tours to that list........

i hope so

it would be cool to have the Star Tours footage on the blu-ray release

actually all this weekend they were doing the Last tour to Endor before it went down...Lucas and his family with some fans rode the last one

yeah, that was at Disney World though; not Disneyland :csad:

made great memories with that ride

[roach]

yeah i get my Disney's mixed up

[Sam Fisher]

I was hoping to get to Disneyland before it closed down......I've been getting messages from Disney and Star Wars.com that it would eventually be closing down (i've been getting those messages the last few months)......:csad::(

At least I have my memories......thats always been my favorite ride......LOL

...now that I think about it...I'd like to add the Original Star Tours ride footage to the list of bonus material for the Star Wars BLu Ray release......at some point I said I would like the Live-Action Ewok Films, and the live-action scenes from Rebel Assault II and Jedi Knight Dark Forces II as a bonus on future dvd or blu releases......I'd also like to add Star Tours to that list........There was a live action Ewoks film?


As if the animated one wasn't bad enough:hehe:

[Doctor Jones]

Ewoks films? No thank you.

And I'm glad they're revamping Star Tours. The old one just tasted of the 80's.

[Yodaman]

And I'm glad they're revamping Star Tours. The old one just tasted of the 80's.

You say it like that's not awesome :awesome:

[roach]

There was a live action Ewoks film?


As if the animated one wasn't bad enough:hehe:

actually they werent bad

[Ghostvirus]

Here is a link to Jon Stewarts Interview with the hated one.

In an interview far, far away.... (http://www.joblo.com/watch-jon-stewarts-lengthy-interview-with-star-wars-creator-george-lucas)

[Happy Jack]

Really great article on the history of Star Wars in regards to how it and Lucas have changed:

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/natureofthebeast1.html

[flash13]

Here is a link to Jon Stewarts Interview with the hated one.

In an interview far, far away.... (http://www.joblo.com/watch-jon-stewarts-lengthy-interview-with-star-wars-creator-george-lucas)

Hated by some but not by me

[flash13]

Has this been posted yet? Some interesting choices though most just choose Vader or Han which I don't disagree with.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1112882p1.html

[Hush]

http://movies.ign.com/dor/articles/1111252/celebs-pick-star-wars-favorites/videos/starwars_celeb_favs_081610.html

Cooler than your post Flash13! Ha!......or exactly the same.

[nightwing06]

That deleted scene makes me wonder how much more Lucas is holding back

[Kurosawa]

Really great article on the history of Star Wars in regards to how it and Lucas have changed:

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/natureofthebeast1.html

Total canard, but believe what you want.

[roach]

Here is a link to Jon Stewarts Interview with the hated one.

In an interview far, far away.... (http://www.joblo.com/watch-jon-stewarts-lengthy-interview-with-star-wars-creator-george-lucas)

hate leads to the dark side

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by roach http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=18757685#post18757685)
the Bluray will be the special editions. The original versions will never be seen again. I have made peace with this.


lucas relented and put the theatrical version on the dvd (albeit with no clean up) so it's possible he'll do the same thing with the blu ray, even if he doesn't clean it up it will still be 1080p

[Sam Fisher]

lucas relented and put the theatrical version on the dvd (albeit with no clean up) so it's possible he'll do the same thing with the blu ray, even if he doesn't clean it up it will still be 1080p
I believe they specificly said the OOT would NOT be included in any form.

[spider-neil]

I believe they specificly said the OOT would NOT be included in any form.

do you have a link?

if that is the case, then I have a decision to make with regards to bothered updating the dvd's.
my favorite blu ray in my collection is blade runner because it has all five versions of the movie, you have a CHOICE as to which blade runner you want to watch, lucas is making sure you see 'his' preferred version of star wars, which is very annoying.

[DocHoliday]

He said it is tough because it would require them remastering that version which is highly expensive....I think they do it on his dime and not FOX's, so you could see his desire to not spend the money (even if they are superior). Personally I'd love to have both versions...a saga version and the original release.

[DocHoliday]

Also, folk were saying it was in the novelisation, I haven't read that since back in 83/84 so didn't recall it.




The Marvel artist said that he based that Jabba on one of the creatures in the Cantina scene.

Also, Lucas never intended Jabba to be human, the actor was just supposed to be a stand in for a stop motion Jabba to be inserted, but they did not have the time and/or money back then.

It is a fairly redundant scene, and back then , I did not even know Jabba was supposed to be living on Tatooine until ROTJ came out. When Lando is talking about finding Han at teh end of Empire, i was thinking he would have to check out a few planets to find out where Jabba/Han was etc.
and Marvel did too, because they ran a story in between ESB and ROTJ, where Lando went undercover as a gangster(wearing an eye patch) as he was trying to find out where Han was stashed.

So, about the only service the re-inserted Jabba scene plays is to explain how Solo was so easily able to escape Tattooine when Jabba could easily find where his ship was parked.
edit: something that fans would not have wondered back then, until ROTJ came out, as we were not told Jabba ran things or lived on Tatooine.

edit: it spoils the reveal of the Falcon, we should be seeing it at the same time as Luke, that is my biggest problem with it. It is easily skippable on the dvd though, i usually just sit through it as it's still a bit of a novelty to me.

Luke does tell Lando the rendezvous point is on Tattooine.

[Doctor Jones]

You say it like that's not awesome :awesome:

Nope, it made it look dated as hell. At least in the OT, sure there were some 70's sideburns, mustaches, and big hair, but the stuff on the ride just felt like the 80's. The music, the colors, the style of the people's hair, hell, the pilot robot is 80's cheese.

[Hush]

I understand the love for the OT but I mean the remastered versions are not THAT horrible. I mean he had the chance to make the movies what he really wanted to make them and so he did, is that such a crime?

[spider-neil]

I understand the love for the OT but I mean the remastered versions are not THAT horrible. I mean he had the chance to make the movies what he really wanted to make them and so he did, is that such a crime?

why does lucas feel the OT needs to be remastered. just put the 1080p version on the blu ray with no clean up if it costs so much and let the viewer decide which version to watch.

I have troy on dvd rather than the blu ray director's cut because the soundtrack has changed and not for the better. I have nothing against the director wanting you to see HIS vision but 9/10 I want to see the version I originally saw at the cinema the first time around.

I have to say though, I will get the blu ray regardless and just grit my teeth everytime I see horrible updated scene.

[Bim]

Some updates of sunday`s Clone Wars panel, thanks to theforce.net: http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/CV_TCW_Season_3_Panel_Coverage_133279.asp

- VIDEO CLIP: Things kick off with a clip of S3 in which Kamino is under siege by Ventress, Greivous and the Separatists

- The panel will ultimately feature more TCW footage than they have ever shown in a panel previously

- Joel Aron: Every detail is meticulously thought out. They wanted the Kamino seige to be bigger in scope than Season 2's Landing at Point Rain.

- Dave Filoni - Still trying to make organic settings more realistic. Look for the look of water to be severely upgraded including reflections.

- The new Trident Drills from the Kamino siege clip were Jules Verne inspired

- New Aquadroids have more sharp angles than regular SBDs.

- The clones on Kamino are clean and have yet to develope their distinguishable traits and personalities...ARC troopers are present as well.

- Rex is a key character

- Dave Filoni: Stop sending cute littel kids up to ask about the fate of Ahsoka

- Joel Aron: It takes 10 weeks to make an episode. They are now using efficiencies from the Prequels to make new water and explosion/smoke shots more realistic

- Dave Filoni: Not sure how they are going to do all that they have planned for Season 3 but as always, they'll reach for the skies and figure it out.

- Dave Filoni: Ventress will be quite different from the beginning to the end of Season 3.

- VIDEO CLIP: We're shown a clip where an injured Ventress lands on Dathomir and encounters her Nightsister mother.

- Dave Filoni: We're going to learn a lot about the past of Assaj Ventress.

- Dave Filoni: The Nightsisters use witchcraft, not necessarily The Force. There are similarities but their powers and uses are different.

- Dave Filoni: Dathomir has a red/blood red color scheme

- Dave Filoni: Season 3 villians are "more potent." Through victories, the Jedi have become overconfident. Look for Dooku to be more evil and intense in S3 while displaying his prowess as a Sith Lord

- VIDEO CLIP: The next clip shows a sleeping Dooku awakened and under attack by 3 lightsaber-wielding assailants. Dooku's pajamas look comfy.

- Dave Filoni: Season 3 is looking bad for Ventress

- Dave Filoni: George Lucas told Dave to show a lot at CV while the PR department said no. Lucas specifically wanted Dave to show the Ventress clip on Dathomir.

- Dave Filoni and George Lucas drew on EU inspiration for the look of the Dathomiri witches but added their own characteristics.

- Katie Lucas wrote a decent amount on Ventress in Season 3 and sourced a lot of EU material.

- Dave Filoni: In speaking to aspiring film makers - listen to those who know more than you.

- VIDEO CLIP: We (and Count Dooku) are introduced to the black and gold Zabrak, Savage Oppress. The color scheme of Savage was not so much a nod to Filoni's love of the Pittsburgh Steelers but simply to create a different look from Darth Maul. Watch the clip here: http://starwars.com/video/view/001073.html

Full season 3 trailer: http://starwars.com/video/view/001074.html

More details here: http://starwars.com/fans/events/clone_wars_season_3_revealed/index.html

I`m getting even more excited for Season 3 :awesome:

[Yodaman]

Nope, it made it look dated as hell. At least in the OT, sure there were some 70's sideburns, mustaches, and big hair, but the stuff on the ride just felt like the 80's. The music, the colors, the style of the people's hair, hell, the pilot robot is 80's cheese.

I mostly meant because it takes you straight back to an era when Star Wars was in its golden age (well, maybe not 1987 per se, but the whole OT era). As the last bit of Star Wars to get modernized, Star Tours was one of the only ways to experience an era I wished I lived through.

It probably is horribly cheesy and I'm just remembering the good stuff. It's been six years since I've been on the ride.

[Jackasscoley15]

I understand the love for the OT but I mean the remastered versions are not THAT horrible. I mean he had the chance to make the movies what he really wanted to make them and so he did, is that such a crime?

My only problem with them were unnecessary additions, such as a giant CG-animal ass passing by the camera in ANH. They do nothing to add to the movie and just felt forced, which made me have a hard time believing he did it to "show his original vision".

I mean, I have no problems with updating bad-looking special effects, such as re-rotoscoping the lightsabers, or even just some color correction in areas that needed it. But instead, Lucas felt it was more important to add slapstick robots and goofy-ass song and dance numbers and label them as "Special Editions".

So now, I'm left with an uneven-feeling viewing experience, with stop motion and other dated special effects in one scene, and in the next scene is modern CG effects. That's my problem with the "Remastered" versions: inconsistency.

[Asteroid-Man]

YEAH!!!!! BLURAY!!! So good!

[Happy Jack]

Total canard, but believe what you want.
Right. :whatever:

[Bim]

YEAH!!!!! BLURAY!!! So good!
Indeed, 2011 will be a year long remembered :awesome:, although i personally havent made the move to blu-ray yet :funny:... but i might be finally tempted to :cwink:

[Hush]

why does lucas feel the OT needs to be remastered. just put the 1080p version on the blu ray with no clean up if it costs so much and let the viewer decide which version to watch.

I have troy on dvd rather than the blu ray director's cut because the soundtrack has changed and not for the better. I have nothing against the director wanting you to see HIS vision but 9/10 I want to see the version I originally saw at the cinema the first time around.

I have to say though, I will get the blu ray regardless and just grit my teeth everytime I see horrible updated scene.

I can see why you would be upset and such but in the end its just something you would have seen when the movie was originally released had he the time and money to put those things in.

My only problem with them were unnecessary additions, such as a giant CG-animal ass passing by the camera in ANH. They do nothing to add to the movie and just felt forced, which made me have a hard time believing he did it to "show his original vision".

I mean, I have no problems with updating bad-looking special effects, such as re-rotoscoping the lightsabers, or even just some color correction in areas that needed it. But instead, Lucas felt it was more important to add slapstick robots and goofy-ass song and dance numbers and label them as "Special Editions".

So now, I'm left with an uneven-feeling viewing experience, with stop motion and other dated special effects in one scene, and in the next scene is modern CG effects. That's my problem with the "Remastered" versions: inconsistency.


That makes plenty of sense. I agree with the notion that it looks inconsistent.


I would like to ask though, would anyone really want the Original Versions released on BLU-RAY and remastered to look Hi-Def but not look that great in high-def due to there age?

[roach]

It is my theory that of fans were to look the the OT with the same critical eye as the PT they would be surprised. Having seen Empire again on the big screen at Celebration 5 I was amazed at the amount of comedy in the film.

[ALP]

I'm very excited for the saga on blu-ray! I've personally never had a problem with the special editions outside of a few things that don't look right.

[JTStarkiller]

I would like to ask though, would anyone really want the Original Versions released on BLU-RAY and remastered to look Hi-Def but not look that great in high-def due to there age?

Why wouldn't they look great? :huh:

[GhostPoet]

I still watch Empire from time to time and I still love it just as much. Same with ANH. Return...eh...there are a lot of amazing scenes. But also some pretty bad ones. (Ewoks.)

[ALP]

I tuned in for the marathon on Spike last weekend, they showed snippts of Cele V here and there.

[spider-neil]

Why wouldn't they look great? :huh:

picture quality wise the special edition absolutely craps on the OT that has no clean up. I saw ANH OT, started to watch ESB and had to stop because the quality is so bad. I would probably do the same with the blu ray.

basically there are five scenes with each special edition movie that makes me cringe, I will just grit my teeth and bear it as I'm definately getting these movies on blu ray.

[roach]

I tuned in for the marathon on Spike last weekend, they showed snippts of Cele V here and there.

they were showing the movies at Cele V at the same time as the broadcast...so you were there in spirit...from a certain point of view:woot:

[ALP]

Lol, I should look at it that way.

Is it an annual thing? Every few years? I want to attend one day when I can.

[roach]

Lol, I should look at it that way.

Is it an annual thing? Every few years? I want to attend one day when I can.

every three years.
This has been almost a religious experience to me. The gang and I that went to it we are so high on Star Wars. We are all in film school and looking at having a fan film for the next competition. I recommend it to anyone that loves Star Wars....just save up or be frugal with your money. I dropped $1500 all together.
But there is no experience like watching all 9 movies with true Star Wars fans...they clapped at every character introduction, every cool scene.....everytime someone would try to guide a line "Move over here please" we'd answer in our best Admiral Ackbar "It's a trap".....so when he said the line in ROTJ the whole audience went wild.

[DCW]

I was just watching the Lucas Stewart interview from Celebration and I've got to say, George is hilarious! During the interview he's talking about when he was discussing Episode 1 with the studios and how he said it was going to be about a ten year old boy and they weren't too enthusiastic about it. They just wanted to see Darth Vader go out and kill a bunch of guys.

He says, "There's actually a story, you know it starts here and ends here and its acutally a story. And the first chapter is usually pretty boring...which is why I started with chapter four."

Man, I love that guy! :up:

[Hush]

Yeah I just watched that today as well and man o man did it give some insight!
That in particulare was pretty funny, DCW.

[DCW]

"George, what's the best fan made memorabilia you've been given?"

"I got a little 'me' in carbonite freezing, which I liked alot. And then I got another one which was Jar Jar Binks in carbonite freezing."

lol, Lucas is cracking me up!

Edit: Lucas, i.e. ewoks: "They (the fans) were going to lynch me and do all sorts of terrible things to me."

[JTStarkiller]

picture quality wise the special edition absolutely craps on the OT that has no clean up. I saw ANH OT, started to watch ESB and had to stop because the quality is so bad. I would probably do the same with the blu ray.

Well I know they don't look great now. If you read his quote carefully, Hush's saying that even after they've been cleaned up, they still won't look as good.

I would like to ask though, would anyone really want the Original Versions released on BLU-RAY and remastered to look Hi-Def but not look that great in high-def due to there age?

[ALP]

OMG! I've got to watch.

[roach]

"George, what's the best fan made memorabilia you've been given?"

"I got a little 'me' in carbonite freezing, which I liked alot. And then I got another one which was Jar Jar Binks in carbonite freezing."

lol, Lucas is cracking me up!

Edit: Lucas, i.e. ewoks: "They (the fans) were going to lynch me and do all sorts of terrible things to me."

he was funny...they made a full sized one of Jar Jar and has it in his office

[Bim]

"George, what's the best fan made memorabilia you've been given?"

"I got a little 'me' in carbonite freezing, which I liked alot. And then I got another one which was Jar Jar Binks in carbonite freezing."

lol, Lucas is cracking me up!

Edit: Lucas, i.e. ewoks: "They (the fans) were going to lynch me and do all sorts of terrible things to me."
I'm glad to see the man still has a sense of humor. That's the only way he survives the complaining from fans i'm sure :funny:

[DCW]

I'm glad to see the man still has a sense of humor. That's the only way he survives the complaining from fans i'm sure :funny:

So true!

For anyone who hasn't seen the Lucas, Stewart main event interview I highly recommend it. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

[roach]

So true!

For anyone who hasn't seen the Lucas, Stewart main event interview I highly recommend it. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

I may watch it again even though I was there

[Dark_Lord]

So true!

For anyone who hasn't seen the Lucas, Stewart main event interview I highly recommend it. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Any links? I tired the one from the previous page, but it's been taken down. :csad:

[DarthSkywalker]

I can see why you would be upset and such but in the end its just something you would have seen when the movie was originally released had he the time and money to put those things in.




That makes plenty of sense. I agree with the notion that it looks inconsistent.


I would like to ask though, would anyone really want the Original Versions released on BLU-RAY and remastered to look Hi-Def but not look that great in high-def due to there age?

The original films would look fine if they were remastered. That is why you would remaster them.

Also I think the idea that what is added is what would of been there original is beyond naive. The additions of some of the backgrounds in Empire perhaps.

However the random slapstick, Greedo shooting, etc. smack of the prequels and do not fit the tone of Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back. Boba Fett was never original the basis for the clones.

[ALP]

^And Luke and Leia were not originally siblings, and "Darth" was not originally their father. But Lucas is good like that.

[DCW]

Any links? I tired the one from the previous page, but it's been taken down. :csad:


Quick though! They're taking them down left and right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib99atT-37s

Edit: here too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DwjSSgtDj0&feature=related

[ALP]

DAMMIT! They took down the best links:(

[Castro]

I just got around to watching Adywans Star Wars: Revisted and i loved it. Can't wait for ESB: Revisted.

I also checked out some more fan edit's, one of TPM by JasonN and one of ROTS by Stankpac, both were much more enjoyable with all of the cheese and kiddy stuff cut out. I've always hated TPM, but i actually found this edit to be quiet entertaining, all that i wish it had was dubbed Jar Jar and Gungan alien voices with subtitles, though it was tolerable b/c the editor managed to make Jar Jar just a regular background character and he doesn't distract with all his stupid antics.


I believe Stankpac's of ROTS lacked something. I was disappointed that he cut so much including the entire yoda and sidious duel as well as any scene where Yoda uses his LS. He cut about 44 minutes which was just way too much, so the movie didn't flow very well, it felt right from the start like we were watching the second half of a movie.

If anyone can point me to a fan edit which cuts out the "NOOOOOOO!" and the lame droid dialog and all the lil close ups of Palpatine's "YEAH!" and stupid faces he makes, also the dialog in the beg and cuts straight to him cutting Dookus head off as well as at thend, all the lame dialog cut out in the duel and cuts straight to anakin jumping over and getting cut the F up. Please point me in the right direction.

[ALP]

Do you watch those and like to pretend that Lucas' cuts don't exist?

[roach]

The original films would look fine if they were remastered. That is why you would remaster them.

Also I think the idea that what is added is what would of been there original is beyond naive. The additions of some of the backgrounds in Empire perhaps.

However the random slapstick, Greedo shooting, etc. smack of the prequels and do not fit the tone of Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back. Boba Fett was never original the basis for the clones.

Go back and watch ESB and look at the amount of slapstick in it...I think you'll be amazed...or did you forget about the Ugnauts playing a game of keep away from Chewie with 3PO's head

[DCW]

People see what they want to see. It goes both ways though. From those who see nothing wrong with the classics to those who see nothing wrong with the prequels.

I love the prequels, I know they're not perfect movies by any means and I tend to look over the shady dialogue during a few scenes, but really I don't think any of it is exceuciatingly bad. I look at the overall story of the saga, which is my favorite story of all time, and thats what I truly enjoy about the movies.

Even some aspects of the stoy, like the midichlorians. Yes, I don't think that aspect was really needed but I don't see a huge problem with it. The way I see it is when the Jedi were at large the Force was looked at as more of a technilogical thing, something that could be measured. In the classics when the Jedi have been wiped out it becomes viewed by the general publlic as a religious thing, because its a dying art. Nothing about the Force has really changed, just the galaxy around it.

[roach]

People see what they want to see. It goes both ways though. From those who see nothing wrong with the classics to those who see nothing wrong with the prequels.

I love the prequels, I know they're not perfect movies by any means and I tend to look over the shady dialogue during a few scenes, but really I don't think any of it is exceuciatingly bad. I look at the overall story of the saga, which is my favorite story of all time, and thats what I truly enjoy about the movies.

Even some aspects of the stoy, like the midichlorians. Yes, I don't think that aspect was really needed but I don't see a huge problem with it. The way I see it is when the Jedi were at large the Force was looked at as more of a technilogical thing, something that could be measured. In the classics when the Jedi have been wiped out it becomes viewed by the general publlic as a religious thing, because its a dying art. Nothing about the Force has really changed, just the galaxy around it.

agreed...like the ninja of fuedal japan...back then they were real and more was known about them...now in the modern age ninja are looked quite diffrently than back then.

[Doctor Jones]

What a great interview. Lucas had me laughing.

I LOVED that Panasonic commercial with Lucas in it. :lmao:

[DCW]

For those who haven't seen, here is a website with an amazing artists work:

http://simonz.co.hu/index_eng.html

[DarthSkywalker]

Go back and watch ESB and look at the amount of slapstick in it...I think you'll be amazed...or did you forget about the Ugnauts playing a game of keep away from Chewie with 3PO's head

I watched it last week. The comedy that is there is clever, well written and character driven, even the bits which are more slapstick.

[DarthSkywalker]

People see what they want to see. It goes both ways though. From those who see nothing wrong with the classics to those who see nothing wrong with the prequels.

I love the prequels, I know they're not perfect movies by any means and I tend to look over the shady dialogue during a few scenes, but really I don't think any of it is exceuciatingly bad. I look at the overall story of the saga, which is my favorite story of all time, and thats what I truly enjoy about the movies.

Even some aspects of the stoy, like the midichlorians. Yes, I don't think that aspect was really needed but I don't see a huge problem with it. The way I see it is when the Jedi were at large the Force was looked at as more of a technilogical thing, something that could be measured. In the classics when the Jedi have been wiped out it becomes viewed by the general publlic as a religious thing, because its a dying art. Nothing about the Force has really changed, just the galaxy around it.

They aren't just not perfect, they are bad films. Well, at least two of them are. The Phantom Menace I still think is worth watching. I think the problem I have is that most people just can't admit that they like bad movies. It is ok to like bad films, but it is when people try to rationalize why they aren't bad, when they clearly are, that makes little sense to me. Painting film as a purely subjective medium in terms of quality, is false.

The style of the storytelling is so vastly inferior in AOTC and ROTS, it is painful.

[DCW]

It all a matter of opinion, that's the problem. Everything is subjective to the viewer, but I know I'm preaching to the converted here. But how a person views a film comes completely down to the individual themselves, and no one else. "Bad" is just as subjective as any other words to describe a film. What one person views as bad, another views as a masterpiece. And vice versa. That's the beauty of filmmaking thought: different people will be touched by different things.

So while I respect your opinion of the prequel trilogy just as much as I respect everyone else’s, because let’s face it, the prequels aren’t as well viewed as the classics, I think that you’re wrong to label the prequels as “bad films”, simply because to me they are very good films.

[FCEEVIPER]

Some updates of sunday`s Clone Wars panel, thanks to theforce.net: http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/CV_TCW_Season_3_Panel_Coverage_133279.asp

- VIDEO CLIP: Things kick off with a clip of S3 in which Kamino is under siege by Ventress, Greivous and the Separatists

- The panel will ultimately feature more TCW footage than they have ever shown in a panel previously

- Joel Aron: Every detail is meticulously thought out. They wanted the Kamino seige to be bigger in scope than Season 2's Landing at Point Rain.

- Dave Filoni - Still trying to make organic settings more realistic. Look for the look of water to be severely upgraded including reflections.

- The new Trident Drills from the Kamino siege clip were Jules Verne inspired

- New Aquadroids have more sharp angles than regular SBDs.

- The clones on Kamino are clean and have yet to develope their distinguishable traits and personalities...ARC troopers are present as well.

- Rex is a key character

- Dave Filoni: Stop sending cute littel kids up to ask about the fate of Ahsoka

- Joel Aron: It takes 10 weeks to make an episode. They are now using efficiencies from the Prequels to make new water and explosion/smoke shots more realistic

- Dave Filoni: Not sure how they are going to do all that they have planned for Season 3 but as always, they'll reach for the skies and figure it out.

- Dave Filoni: Ventress will be quite different from the beginning to the end of Season 3.

- VIDEO CLIP: We're shown a clip where an injured Ventress lands on Dathomir and encounters her Nightsister mother.

- Dave Filoni: We're going to learn a lot about the past of Assaj Ventress.

- Dave Filoni: The Nightsisters use witchcraft, not necessarily The Force. There are similarities but their powers and uses are different.

- Dave Filoni: Dathomir has a red/blood red color scheme

- Dave Filoni: Season 3 villians are "more potent." Through victories, the Jedi have become overconfident. Look for Dooku to be more evil and intense in S3 while displaying his prowess as a Sith Lord

- VIDEO CLIP: The next clip shows a sleeping Dooku awakened and under attack by 3 lightsaber-wielding assailants. Dooku's pajamas look comfy.

- Dave Filoni: Season 3 is looking bad for Ventress

- Dave Filoni: George Lucas told Dave to show a lot at CV while the PR department said no. Lucas specifically wanted Dave to show the Ventress clip on Dathomir.

- Dave Filoni and George Lucas drew on EU inspiration for the look of the Dathomiri witches but added their own characteristics.

- Katie Lucas wrote a decent amount on Ventress in Season 3 and sourced a lot of EU material.

- Dave Filoni: In speaking to aspiring film makers - listen to those who know more than you.

- VIDEO CLIP: We (and Count Dooku) are introduced to the black and gold Zabrak, Savage Oppress. The color scheme of Savage was not so much a nod to Filoni's love of the Pittsburgh Steelers but simply to create a different look from Darth Maul. Watch the clip here: http://starwars.com/video/view/001073.html

Full season 3 trailer: http://starwars.com/video/view/001074.html

More details here: http://starwars.com/fans/events/clone_wars_season_3_revealed/index.html

I`m getting even more excited for Season 3 :awesome:
I almost shiet my pants! I can't wait for season 3



YEAH!!!!! BLURAY!!! So good!
I'm soo there! :word:

[Jackasscoley15]

It all a matter of opinion, that's the problem. Everything is subjective to the viewer, but I know I'm preaching to the converted here. But how a person views a film comes completely down to the individual themselves, and no one else. "Bad" is just as subjective as any other words to describe a film. What one person views as bad, another views as a masterpiece. And vice versa. That's the beauty of filmmaking thought: different people will be touched by different things.

So while I respect your opinion of the prequel trilogy just as much as I respect everyone else’s, because let’s face it, the prequels aren’t as well viewed as the classics, I think that you’re wrong to label the prequels as “bad films”, simply because to me they are very good films.

I think what Darth was trying to say was that they are bad in the fact that little effort was put into the prequels to make them 'good' films. Which I agree with, to an extent.

While I don't really mind watching the prequels (hell I enjoy Episode II from time to time), I consider them universally bad in the fact that Lucas just didn't try with them. It's very evident in the special features on all 3 that when the going got tough or he came across a creative obstacle, he would just shrug it off and move on to something else. This attitude seemed to carry into all aspects of production, from writing the script to directing the actors.

That being said, I still love when Yoda first busts out his lightsaber. :o

[XxDelta09xX]

For those who haven't seen, here is a website with an amazing artists work:

http://simonz.co.hu/index_eng.html

Sweet thanks.:woot:

[Kurosawa]

The original films would look fine if they were remastered. That is why you would remaster them.

Also I think the idea that what is added is what would of been there original is beyond naive. The additions of some of the backgrounds in Empire perhaps.

However the random slapstick, Greedo shooting, etc. smack of the prequels and do not fit the tone of Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back. Boba Fett was never original the basis for the clones.

Remaster them by improving the picture, erasing the matte lines, solidifying the transparencies on the snowspeeders like in ESB? What that all amounts to is a Special Edition edit. To me, if you want the O-OT, then you want every wart and flaw. The bad matte lines around the TIE Fighters. The horrible composting on the Rancor. All of it. Fix any of it, it's a SE version. The O-OT is on DVD and a blu-ray version would just expose more of it's flaws. It's not a movie that was ever designed to be seen in Hi-Def.

[roach]

Remaster them by improving the picture, erasing the matte lines, solidifying the transparencies on the snowspeeders like in ESB? What that all amounts to is a Special Edition edit. To me, if you want the O-OT, then you want every wart and flaw. The bad matte lines around the TIE Fighters. The horrible composting on the Rancor. All of it. Fix any of it, it's a SE version. The O-OT is on DVD and a blu-ray version would just expose more of it's flaws. It's not a movie that was ever designed to be seen in Hi-Def.

there is much wisdom i sense in you

[roach]

dbl post i did

[Kurosawa]

Now I do admit, if they were my movies, I'd make a super set with multiple cuts of the movies. I'd have a rough cut version with all the cut scenes in, the original theatrical cuts, the 97 and 04 SE and the Blu Ray 2010 cut-the only version in HD would be the 2010, however.

[roach]

Now I do admit, if they were my movies, I'd make a super set with multiple cuts of the movies. I'd have a rough cut version with all the cut scenes in, the original theatrical cuts, the 97 and 04 SE and the Blu Ray 2010 cut-the only version in HD would be the 2010, however.

that makes sense and i'd probably do the same

[CGHulk]

Ventress encountering the Nightsisters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHSjU_Z2ZRc

Dooku against the Nightsisters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJlUK9L1MJM

[Passdom]

Now I do admit, if they were my movies, I'd make a super set with multiple cuts of the movies. I'd have a rough cut version with all the cut scenes in, the original theatrical cuts, the 97 and 04 SE and the Blu Ray 2010 cut-the only version in HD would be the 2010, however.
what the hell?!? :wow: Why?

[Gabe99]

From the NY Times:
‘Star Wars’ Films Coming to Blu-ray Next Year (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/star-wars-films-coming-to-blu-ray-next-year/)
Mr. Lucas said the versions of the first three “Star Wars” films – “Star Wars,” “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi” – included in the Blu-ray boxed set will be the special-edition releases that were shown theatrically in 1997 and digitally restored for a 2004 standard-definition DVD boxed set.

Perhaps bracing for the reactions of fans who decried some of the changes made to the special-edition films – like, say, an exchange of gunfire between Han Solo and a certain green-skinned bounty hunter – Mr. Lucas said that to release the original versions of these films on Blu-ray was “kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good.”

[dark_b]

Jon Stewarts interview with George Lucas
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/08/16/watch-jon-stewarts-hour-long-interview-with-george-lucas-from-star-wars-celebration-v/

;)

[roach]

what the hell?!? :wow: Why?

for exactly the same reason why Lucas is....to put the original version un-remastered in HD would be to show off all the flaws

[spider-neil]

that makes sense and i'd probably do the same


that's what they did with blade runner. every single version of the movie on blu ray.

[spider-neil]

Mr. Lucas said the versions of the first three “Star Wars” films – “Star Wars,” “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/#)” – included in the Blu-ray boxed set will be the special-edition releases that were shown theatrically in 1997 and digitally restored for a 2004 standard-definition DVD boxed set.

Perhaps bracing for the reactions of fans who decried some of the changes made to the special-edition films – like, say, an exchange of gunfire between Han Solo and a certain green-skinned bounty hunter – Mr. Lucas said that to release the original versions of these films on Blu-ray was “kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good.”


BLAST YOU LUCAS!! :cmad:


still going to buy it though :cwink:

[Passdom]

that's what they did with blade runner. every single version of the movie on blu ray.
One of the reasons why the Blade Runner set is so awesome. Comprehensive, and respectful to history :word:

I honestly thought there was a chance that Lucas might have wisened up in regards to releasing the OT, but I gave him too much credit.

[roach]

that's what they did with blade runner. every single version of the movie on blu ray.

yes and that was a corporate decision...if Ridley Scott put out the blu ray it would probably be his version and no one elses

[roach]

One of the reasons why the Blade Runner set is so awesome. Comprehensive, and respectful to history :word:

I honestly thought there was a chance that Lucas might have wisened up in regards to releasing the OT, but I gave him too much credit.

so his artistic sense as a director has to take a back seat to what you think is smart....even though he just said if he put the Original version on the blu ray it wouldnt look good.

[Passdom]

so his artistic sense as a director has to take a back seat to what you think is smart....even though he just said if he put the Original version on the blu ray it wouldnt look good.
Rubbish. Lucas has more than enough money to commission a full remaster and restoration of the Original Trilogy if he wanted to.

Star Wars is cinematic history. I'm hardly the only one who would agree that not presenting the OT in the form they originally appeared is an injustice.

[roach]

Rubbish. Lucas has more than enough money to commission a full remaster and restoration of the Original Trilogy if he wanted to.

Star Wars is cinematic history. I'm hardly the only one who would agree that not presenting the OT in the form they originally appeared is an injustice.

isnt that what the special editions are????
or are you really just mad because greedo shoots first

[Doctor Jones]

Lucas himself sees the original cuts as flaws in his eyes. To fans it's not the case, but for he's personally not comfortable with the former cuts. In the interview he even said he wanted the Jabba the Hutt scene in but it was cut, because of things they could afford to do. Then digitially he fixed that. Back when he was writing, he already had the stuff imagined from the prequels in his head, but he knew it would be impossible to do at the time.

[Jackasscoley15]

isnt that what the special editions are????
or are you really just mad because greedo shoots first

How are they in any way restorations? :huh: Nothing is really restored in the SE's, just scribbled over.

[Doctor Jones]

So in the interview did Lucas say that on the planet they find Opress is the same planet Ventress comes from? I think he said the men and the women split up. Or did I mishear?

[roach]

So in the interview did Lucas say that on the planet they find Opress is the same planet Ventress comes from? I think he said the men and the women split up. Or did I mishear?

thats what i got from that and the Season 3 panel

[ALP]

Blu-ray is more than capable of holding both cuts. But Lucas said it would cost a lot to remaster the originals- fact is, only a small percent on the internet really care greatly about what cut it is. Not enough to remaster the entire films.

[spider-neil]

would cost too much? lucas is frigging RICH, also every penny he spends on restoring the O-OT would be recouped so what is the problem? yeah yeah lucas you want people to see the SE, we get that, but is it 'such' a big deal to include the theatrical version?

* the jabba tail stamp
* greedo shots first
* the different song in the jazz bar
* the awful CG storm troopers
* the 'donut' explosive of the death star

why, oh why...?

truth is, lucas knows he can put any old **** out and people will still buy it. a SEA of star wars fans 'begged' lucas to include the O-OT and eventually he relented, so if you relented then, why not relent now?

[Yodaman]

How are they in any way restorations? :huh: Nothing is really restored in the SE's, just scribbled over.

The picture quality.

[roach]

would cost too much? lucas is frigging RICH, also every penny he spends on restoring the O-OT would be recouped so what is the problem? yeah yeah lucas you want people to see the SE, we get that, but is it 'such' a big deal to include the theatrical version?

* the jabba tail stamp
* greedo shots first
* the different song in the jazz bar
* the awful CG storm troopers
* the 'donut' explosive of the death star

why, oh why...?

truth is, lucas knows he can put any old **** out and people will still buy it. a SEA of star wars fans 'begged' lucas to include the O-OT and eventually he relented, so if you relented then, why not relent now?


Lucas got rich by trusting in his instinct and not in what people think he should do.

[Bim]

Remaster them by improving the picture, erasing the matte lines, solidifying the transparencies on the snowspeeders like in ESB? What that all amounts to is a Special Edition edit. To me, if you want the O-OT, then you want every wart and flaw. The bad matte lines around the TIE Fighters. The horrible composting on the Rancor. All of it. Fix any of it, it's a SE version. The O-OT is on DVD and a blu-ray version would just expose more of it's flaws. It's not a movie that was ever designed to be seen in Hi-Def.
I have to agree with ur line of thinking. I`ll be the first to admit, even if Lucas released the O-OT i wouldnt be interested in watching that version at all. I`d go with the SE for sure. So i`m not really interested in getting something i wont even watch at the end of the day. I`d rather he include new bonus features and deleted scenes and not waste that dvd/blu/ray space with the O-OT. I guess i`m no purist even if i grew up with it :oldrazz:

I do think some minor changes would be nice to the SE. Some of the lightsabers looking sharper than they do now immediately comes to mind, that i do find a bit distracting when i see my SE OT dvd`s.

[Raiden]

From the NY Times:
‘Star Wars’ Films Coming to Blu-ray Next Year (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/star-wars-films-coming-to-blu-ray-next-year/)

I take it that the SW trilogy coming out in Blu-ray DVD will be the Special Edition version, and not the original theatrical version? That means Greedo will shoot first again. :csad:

[JTStarkiller]

To be fair, after the 04 revision, they've basically been shooting at the same time.

[Infinity9999x]

Lucas got rich by trusting in his instinct and not in what people think he should do.

Uhhh, not completley. He had to make a lot of compromises when making the OT. And they're generally considered the best in the series. And those movies are what made him so rich.

Lucas is a great ideas man. He has tons of ideas. The thing is, after the OT, he didn't have those people around him saying no to some ideas. That's what he need in the prequels, because not all the ideas were bad, he had a lot of good ones, he just needed help weeding out the bad ones.

[Spider-Vader]

I hope Lucas meddles with the Special Editions to make the CG look better & to change it back to Han shooting first, so everyone can shut up.

[MAN O STEEL]

I fail to see what people hate about the special edition versions. The original versions are so ****. Atleast with the special editions he added certain thing's that helped make it feel like it's connected with the prequels i.e Anakin as a young man (Hayden), when Luke see's him at the end of ROTJ standing next to Yoda & Obi Wan. It was great because I actually felt when watching that, that it was connected. The added effects were awesome as it also helped make it seem less like there was a 30 something year gap of technology between the OT & the prequels. & who the hell cares if a green alien shoots at Han before Han shoots back?. It's such a small insignificant thing that last all of 2 seconds in a 2 hour plus film. I just don't get it at all.




Steve

[Rain Dog]

So in the interview did Lucas say that on the planet they find Opress is the same planet Ventress comes from? I think he said the men and the women split up. Or did I mishear?

That is indeed what he said. Meaning there's a lot of retconning in the future for EU lol

[Jackasscoley15]

I fail to see what people hate about the special edition versions. The original versions are so ****. Atleast with the special editions he added certain thing's that helped make it feel like it's connected with the prequels i.e Anakin as a young man (Hayden), when Luke see's him at the end of ROTJ standing next to Yoda & Obi Wan. It was great because I actually felt when watching that, that it was connected. The added effects were awesome as it also helped make it seem less like there was a 30 something year gap of technology between the OT & the prequels. & who the hell cares if a green alien shoots at Han before Han shoots back?. It's such a small insignificant thing that last all of 2 seconds in a 2 hour plus film. I just don't get it at all.




Steve

Honestly, if Greedo shooting first isn't such a big deal, then why even add it in the first place? That's the problem some people have with the SE's, that the 30 year gap between technologies IS there. But instead of fixing the most glaring special effects (bad looking lightsabers, the Rancor, jump-cuts), Lucas just decides to add useless things that look bad anyway.

I mean, watch ROTS followed by the Special Edition of ANH back-to-back. Can you seriously sit there with a straight face and tell me that he did the best he could to "connect them with the prequels"?

[roach]

Honestly, if Greedo shooting first isn't such a big deal, then why even add it in the first place? That's the problem some people have with the SE's, that the 30 year gap between technologies IS there. But instead of fixing the most glaring special effects (bad looking lightsabers, the Rancor, jump-cuts), Lucas just decides to add useless things that look bad anyway.

I mean, watch ROTS followed by the Special Edition of ANH back-to-back. Can you seriously sit there with a straight face and tell me that he did the best he could to "connect them with the prequels?"

having watched them back to back this weekend on the big screen yes they do match up

[DCW]

I do think some minor changes would be nice to the SE. Some of the lightsabers looking sharper than they do now immediately comes to mind, that i do find a bit distracting when i see my SE OT dvd`s.

Yes, the scenes that immediately jump to mind for me are when Luke is training with the remote on the Falcon in episode 4 and also when Luke and Vader's blades cross in front of the Emperor in episode 6.

Also a few tiny changes would be nice to see as well I think. I think it would be nice in Chewie gets a medal at the end of episode 4. Even if they just superimpose one onto him in the final shot. Maybe some of the computer screens brought up to date, especially on the Yavin base in episode 4.

[DCW]

I mean, watch ROTS followed by the Special Edition of ANH back-to-back. Can you seriously sit there with a straight face and tell me that he did the best he could to "connect them with the prequels"?

I actually think that the ending of episode 3 ties in very nicely to episode 4.

[Obi-Ron]

Atleast with the special editions he added certain thing's that helped make it feel like it's connected with the prequels i.e Anakin as a young man (Hayden), when Luke see's him at the end of ROTJ standing next to Yoda & Obi Wan. It was great because I actually felt when watching that, that it was connected.


Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ. :wow:

[Hush]

Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ. :wow:

Well is does make sense if you look at it logically.

[Jackasscoley15]

I actually think that the ending of episode 3 ties in very nicely to episode 4.

I meant visually.

having watched them back to back this weekend on the big screen yes they do match up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Coley_the_Grey/starwars3_2284.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Coley_the_Grey/2010-08-18_144256.jpg

You know what? You're right! How could I have been so air-headed? :doh:

I concede, you win. :yay:

[MAN O STEEL]

Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ.
it put a smile on my face because it helped make me feel connected to the whole saga. people hate Hayden for the sake of hating. it's cool to do so they do it. I, although I know some of his acting was wooden, didn't care enough to let it effect my overall enjoyment. So when i see that last scene in Jedi with Hayden as Anakin standing with Yoda & Obi Wan it feels like seeing old friends again reunited as I was more invested in Hayden as Anakin through 2 movies than I was a guy who played an old Anakin for 5 minutes at the end of Jedi.




Steve

[Infinity9999x]

it put a smile on my face because it helped make me feel connected to the whole saga. people hate Hayden for the sake of hating. it's cool to do so they do it. I, although I know some of his acting was wooden, didn't care enough to let it effect my overall enjoyment. So when i see that last scene in Jedi with Hayden as Anakin standing with Yoda & Obi Wan it feels like seeing old friends again reunited as I was more invested in Hayden as Anakin through 2 movies than I was a guy who played an old Anakin for 5 minutes at the end of Jedi.




Steve

No, they really don't. They dislike him because he's not a very good actor. However, I realize that it's not all his fault. The writing in the prequels was very bad at times. However, after watching Hayden in Jumper, I just don't think he's very good. His delivery is very wooden, and his characters are always flat. I do need to watch him in more movies though, because I've only seen him in the prequels and Jumper. But from what I've seen, he's just not very good.

[Jackasscoley15]

No, they really don't. They dislike him because he's not a very good actor. However, I realize that it's not all his fault. The writing in the prequels was very bad at times. However, after watching Hayden in Jumper, I just don't think he's very good. His delivery is very wooden, and his characters are always flat. I do need to watch him in more movies though, because I've only seen him in the prequels and Jumper. But from what I've seen, he's just not very good.

I think a lot of it had to do with lack of direction as well. I look at Christensen as similar to a younger Keanu Reeves. With a good director, he can give a lively performance. With a director who doesn't pay much attention to their actors, he just falls flat. Check out Shattered Glass, he just may surprise you.

[MAN O STEEL]

No, they really don't. They dislike him because he's not a very good actor. However, I realize that it's not all his fault. The writing in the prequels was very bad at times. However, after watching Hayden in Jumper, I just don't think he's very good. His delivery is very wooden, and his characters are always flat. I do need to watch him in more movies though, because I've only seen him in the prequels and Jumper. But from what I've seen, he's just not very good.


The guys not really had much of a chance to stretch his acting skills. I mean every movie he's ever made has been badly directed & written crap, with the exception of shattered glass & life as a house. I love those movies deeply & I think he did fairly well in them, not the best but it showed promise IMO. When he's in a movie like inception or shutter island & he's still **** then I'll give him his fair ass whoopin but until then I feel he should be given less flak than he gets.



Steve

[Doctor Jones]

The single thing that annoys me the most is Luke's lightsaber when he's practicing in the Falcon. It either A) is white like that picture or it's B) it's green???

[Doctor Jones]

That is indeed what he said. Meaning there's a lot of retconning in the future for EU lol

So Maul and Ventress are the same species or something?

[Infinity9999x]

The guys not really had much of a chance to stretch his acting skills. I mean every movie he's ever made has been badly directed & written crap, with the exception of shattered glass & life as a house. I love those movies deeply & I think he did fairly well in them, not the best but it showed promise IMO. When he's in a movie like inception or shutter island & he's still **** then I'll give him his fair ass whoopin but until then I feel he should be given less flak than he gets.



Steve

I could see that. It's hard to fairly criticize anyone for their acting skills in the prequels. Portman looked bad in them and she's a great actor. And even McGregor had trouble not sounding a bit foolish. It was mostly the writing.

The prequels get quite a bit of flack. And to be honest, they're no where near as bad as some of the other action flicks released today. But it's because the originals were so good that there's so much hate piled on them.

Still, I don't think the flack Hayden gets is completely unfounded. But I would agree that I need to see him in more films first.

[MAN O STEEL]

The single thing that annoys me the most is Luke's lightsaber when he's practicing in the Falcon. It either A) is white like that picture or it's B) it's green???


I agree, Lucas could have done alot more to line it up betetr with the prequels but as I said as they are, their still a big improvement over the originals, in terms of matching it up with the prequels. I hope he pays a bit more attention this time when creating the blu rays & fixes these quibbles as they're quite easy to spot if you pay attention.



Steve

[Monsieur Xavier]

^

I fully agree about your point of view of Hayden. He was the last issue of the prequels and I found it Ok at the end of ROTS ( when he come to Mustafara ). Bad scripts are bad scripts even Leonardo DiCaprio could not have saved them.

[LostSon88]

I swear, Lucas better fix the lightsaber colors in the bluray release...there's absolutely no excuse why Luke should still have a white/green saber in that scene and Vader a pink one in ROTJ in the next release.

NO EXCUSE.

[MAN O STEEL]

But it's because the originals were so good that there's so much hate piled on them.


Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?. I mean I personally used to watch the OT's alot as a kid because my brother liked them, but I hated them. They were so boring to me. I'd eventually just wonder off & play elsewhere. So I never really got connected to them as a kid, but it wasn't until I saw episodes 1 & 2 that I got into Star Wars, weird I know, since they are claimed to be the worst of the bunch. Once I got into episodes 1 & 2 I went back & watched the OT's again in their special edition forms & I fell in love with them. I love them every bit as much as the prequels but it was only because of the prequels that I got into Star Wars. Now when I first watched episode 1, the first of the Star Wars films I liked I was 13, I was a kid, so when i look back on the prequels I cherish them because I discovered them when I was young. Since most feels the prequels sucked that must mean that my love of them must stem from my cherished memories of discovering them when i was a child, not from a fair, honest judgement as a casual movie goer. So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.



Steve

[Jackasscoley15]

I swear, Lucas better fix the lightsaber colors in the bluray release...there's absolutely no excuse why Luke should still have a white/green saber in that scene and Vader a pink one in ROTJ in the next release.

NO EXCUSE.

I may be mistaken, but I think he's already confirmed that they're just going to be Hi-Def versions of the 2004 SE's.

[Rain Dog]

So Maul and Ventress are the same species or something?

That may be the case in the future but I don't think so, they'll probably find a way to work around it. What Lucas said and the video clips seem to imply Ventress is/was a Nightsister, meaning she hails from Dathomir but EU already established her homeworld/race as Rattatak. Darth Maul is a Zabrak from planet Iridonia. If Savage Opress is his brother, then he too would be from Iridonia. What I'm thinking will happen is since there's little established about Maul's early life, at some point he and his family would have been somehow relocated and raised on Dathomir.

[MAN O STEEL]

I may be mistaken, but I think he's already confirmed that they're just going to be Hi-Def versions of the 2004 SE's.


I think your right but what I don't get is, if there is gonna be no more work done to them & he's just gonna upgrade to HD & send em off, then why wait until 2011 to release them?. It seems to me that he should be able to have that done & shipped out before the end of this year. Him not releasing them till 2011 makes me think that he might have something up his sleeve that he doesn't want to share at this time.



Steve

[Infinity9999x]

Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?. I mean I personally used to watch the OT's alot as a kid because my brother liked them, but I hated them. They were so boring to me. I'd eventually just wonder off & play elsewhere. So I never really got connected to them as a kid, but it wasn't until I saw episodes 1 & 2 that I got into Star Wars, weird I know, since they are claimed to be the worst of the bunch. Once I got into episodes 1 & 2 I went back & watched the OT's again in their special edition forms & I fell in love with them. I love them every bit as much as the prequels but it was only because of the prequels that I got into Star Wars. Now when I first watched episode 1, the first of the Star Wars films I liked I was 13, I was a kid, so when i look back on the prequels I cherish them because I discovered them when I was young. Since most feels the prequels sucked that must mean that my love of them must stem from my cherished memories of discovering them when i was a child, not from a fair, honest judgement as a casual movie goer. So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.



Steve

No, I think they're genuinely better told stories. When I was younger, I always liked the prequels, but ROTJ was my favorite because it had the most action. As I got older, I realized that the story in ANH and ESB was much better, and now I enjoy those much more. And I don't think films were any less scrutinized. Critics haven't changed. The only thing that's different is that there's an internet now, so the hardcore fans can go online and argue about the films, but the hardcore fans don't make up the majority of the general viewing audience.

[Jackasscoley15]

I think your right but what I don't get is, if there is gonna be no more work done to them & he's just gonna upgrade to HD & send em off, then why wait until 2011 to release them?. It seems to me that he should be able to have that done & shipped out before the end of this year. Him not releasing them till 2011 makes me think that he might have something up his sleeve that he doesn't want to share at this time.



Steve


Probably just adding new menus and newer special features, such as the deleted scenes. I highly doubt he's going to do anything else to the actual movies. That would require, you know, actual effort.

[Bim]

Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?.

So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.

I`ve had the personal belief that this plays a bigger factor than most people are willing to admit, but that`s just my opinion. For myself, i remember some of the emotions i had while watching the OT as a kid. Some things just played such a huge role in my mind back then that now i barely even notice, like the banthas and sand people... dont ask me why but they impressed the heck out of me when i was younger, and yet looking at them now they dont really ammount to much in the movie or in the context of the story. U would think they would have had more scenes to create such an impression on me, but no :hehe:. It just comes from having this perception the first time i saw the movie.

Star Wars (even the OT) was always criticized for the wooden acting and the focus on effects. Even poor poppet Yoda got slammed, and dont even get me started on the ewoks lol. I just think that the internet these days and the constant exposure to more effects now raises the standart and people expect certain things. Also, decades passed between the two trilogies. People had time to make up what they wanted the PT to be and how it should go. I firmly believe that no matter who George cast, how he told the story, how he shot the film or who wrote the scripts, not everyone was going to be happy with it. There was always going to be unhappy people. In the end, George went with what he wanted to tell, so for that reason alone i give him credit. Had i been in his position i dont know that i would have subjected myself to the *****ing that making the PT involved.

I`m not saying the PT doesnt have faults, but i`m saying for me they`re not as bad as people make them out to be. The OT is far from perfect aswell if u ask me, and i still i love them.

So there, that`s my take on this :oldrazz:

[Raiden]

Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ. :wow:

Maybe I'm just an old-timer when it comes to Star Wars, but I still hold the theatrical Star Wars trilogy as the best version possible. SE may have some restored footages and better special effects, but films are a product of their times, warts and all, and Star Wars trilogy should be seen as they were original conceived, hopefully with some digital remastered like what the Aliens trilogy received in their DVD release.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ. :wow:

I've always liked Hayden at the end of ROTJ, it ties everything together, makes for a great moment... and it makes sense.

[MAN O STEEL]

Maybe I'm just an old-timer when it comes to Star Wars, but I still hold the theatrical Star Wars trilogy as the best version possible. SE may have some restored footages and better special effects, but films are a product of their times, warts and all, and Star Wars trilogy should be seen as they were original conceived, hopefully with some digital remastered like what the Aliens trilogy received in their DVD release.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. I don't condone messing with a movie or movies if it's unecessary. How they were originally done is what should always remain. My only exception with SW is that the prequels came out & were designed to be in direct line with the OT, not a spinoff or a AU, so for me as a result, you need to think about it from a viewers POV. A casual viewer will look at the PT, love the effects for the most part & then go to the OT & be let down & taken out of the story as a result of the dated effects. So IMO it makes sense in this case to update the originals as much as you can to please the average joes who want to feel like their watching one long story. However if the PT never happened I would agree with you 100%. :up:





Steve

[Obi-Ron]

... and it makes sense.

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. It made more sense as originally filmed IMO. Luke had just seen Anakin's face, he wouldn't have even known who HC was.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. It made more sense as originally filmed IMO. Luke had just seen Anakin's face, he wouldn't have even known who HC was.

You can disagree all you want, I'll still say it makes sense. How wouldn't Luke have known who he was? This is the Force we're talking about. In the EU, Jedi have sensed other Jedi in the Force from across the galaxy. Anakin had just died, turned to the light side, then appeared next to Obi and Yoda. Who else would it be? :whatever:

It makes sense because the older version of Anakin never existed in reality. Anakin appears younger, because that's how he was when he fell, and was "killed" by Vader.

[Obi-Ron]

It was Anakin that threw the Emperor into the Death Star shaft and died saving his son. It made perfect sense for the first 25 years the movie was out...

[DCW]

I really think this discussion (Hayden vs. Shawn) is like beating a dead horse unfortunately...

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Me too. I'm dropping it. There will always be those who prefer both I guess.

[DCW]

Yeah, I can see both sides of it too to be honest.

[roach]

I`ve had the personal belief that this plays a bigger factor than most people are willing to admit, but that`s just my opinion. For myself, i remember some of the emotions i had while watching the OT as a kid. Some things just played such a huge role in my mind back then that now i barely even notice, like the banthas and sand people... dont ask me why but they impressed the heck out of me when i was younger, and yet looking at them now they dont really ammount to much in the movie or in the context of the story. U would think they would have had more scenes to create such an impression on me, but no :hehe:. It just comes from having this perception the first time i saw the movie.

Star Wars (even the OT) was always criticized for the wooden acting and the focus on effects. Even poor poppet Yoda got slammed, and dont even get me started on the ewoks lol. I just think that the internet these days and the constant exposure to more effects now raises the standart and people expect certain things. Also, decades passed between the two trilogies. People had time to make up what they wanted the PT to be and how it should go. I firmly believe that no matter who George cast, how he told the story, how he shot the film or who wrote the scripts, not everyone was going to be happy with it. There was always going to be unhappy people. In the end, George went with what he wanted to tell, so for that reason alone i give him credit. Had i been in his position i dont know that i would have subjected myself to the *****ing that making the PT involved.

I`m not saying the PT doesnt have faults, but i`m saying for me they`re not as bad as people make them out to be. The OT is far from perfect aswell if u ask me, and i still i love them.

So there, that`s my take on this :oldrazz:

I agree

[Doctor Jones]

Bim speaks the truth.

[Jackasscoley15]

I think the Hayden shot at the end of ROTJ wouldn't have been as bad if:

1. They shot his entire body, instead of cutting and pasting his head on top of Shaw's body.

2. He didn't give a s**t-eating evil grin to the camera. That seriously threw me off.

[Doctor Jones]

Hayden eats ****? My God...

[VenomVsSpidey]

what a sick bastard...

[Jackasscoley15]

Wow. I guess there are people that haven't heard that expression. hmmm

[Doctor Jones]

I think we should all just hug. Then hug Hayden.

[Jackasscoley15]

I ain't huggin' that s**t-eater.

[Doctor Jones]

Then lets hug Stansfield.

[Gamma Ray]

The special editions are a failure on every level. Anything that's not simply an upgraded effect (fixed lightsabers, removed ship "boxes) absolutely sucks. But even the upgraded effects suck. WTF is up with Luke's lightsaber when he's training on the MF? Can you imagine a room of ILM pros in a screening room watching that and not noticing. I literally said WTF the first time I saw their attempt at correcting it.

[Jackasscoley15]

The special editions are a failure on every level. Anything that's not simply an upgraded effect (fixed lightsabers, removed ship "boxes) absolutely sucks. But even the upgraded effects suck. WTF is up with Luke's lightsaber when he's training on the MF? Can you imagine a room of ILM pros in a screening room watching that and not noticing. I literally said WTF the first time I saw their attempt at correcting it.

This is why God gave us Adywan.

[DarkKnight88]

The special editions are a failure on every level. Anything that's not simply an upgraded effect (fixed lightsabers, removed ship "boxes) absolutely sucks. But even the upgraded effects suck. WTF is up with Luke's lightsaber when he's training on the MF? Can you imagine a room of ILM pros in a screening room watching that and not noticing. I literally said WTF the first time I saw their attempt at correcting it.

The ending to Return of the Jedi (minus Hayden ghost) was much better in the Special Edition than that terrible Ewok song in the original. Just because there are some bad additions, doesn't mean there aren't any superior ones.

[Rain Dog]

The ending to Return of the Jedi (minus Hayden ghost) was much better in the Special Edition than that terrible Ewok song in the original. Just because there are some bad additions, doesn't mean there aren't any superior ones.

I agree, I love seeing the galaxy-wide celebration and the rioting on Coruscant

[DarKJediKnight]

This is why God gave us Adywan.

Can anyone point me to where I can download a full and raw file of Adywan's ANH version. I already seen it in Youtube many months ago (I don't know if it's still there today) but it's split into many parts and I don't want to download flash. I've been to the fanedit site but I don't want to download a .dlc either.

[CGHulk]

I think Yoda was hopeless in any chance of Anakin coming back. it wasn't time for compassion, it was time to destroy the Sith, so that's why he said Anakin was fully gone. Later in the saga his intention for Luke was to have Luke kill Vader, and didn't see the redemption part of it all through Luke's compassion of his father. Yoda and Obi-Wan just wanted the Sith destroyed. It was now all Luke's responsibility to do it, how ever he could. But they didn't give him much to go on how he was to go about in destroying the Emperor!

[DCW]

I'm really tempted to buy a master replicas mini helmet. The detail on them looks great and they're only like 20 bucks. Anyone have one or seen one in person? Here's what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5jECn21AkU&feature=related

[Kurosawa]

I have to agree with ur line of thinking. I`ll be the first to admit, even if Lucas released the O-OT i wouldnt be interested in watching that version at all. I`d go with the SE for sure. So i`m not really interested in getting something i wont even watch at the end of the day. I`d rather he include new bonus features and deleted scenes and not waste that dvd/blu/ray space with the O-OT. I guess i`m no purist even if i grew up with it :oldrazz:

I do think some minor changes would be nice to the SE. Some of the lightsabers looking sharper than they do now immediately comes to mind, that i do find a bit distracting when i see my SE OT dvd`s.

The only way the O-OT should ever be released is exactly as it originally was with every single flaw there to see. This is why it should never be released in HD. It would look horrible cleaned up-every matte box and transparency would stick out like sore thumbs. They're out on DVD and the quality of those is good enough where the flaws don't stick out as bad. Those movies were never intended to to see in HD as they were originally shot.

Wow, in all my years as a Star Wars fan, this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone defend adding Hayden to ROTJ. :wow:

There are a lot of hardcore SW fans on TF.N that I have seen defend it and give solid reasoning. Personally, I can see both sides. If they were my movies, I would redo the entire thing with Hayden for consistency's sake and have him made up as an older man in the end-or I wouldn't take Shaw out at all. One or the other, but not both. The main defense of young Anakin at the end is that the Force ghost represents the person as they see themselves, that the old man Anakin never existed, since by the time he was old (old is relevant; in the OT Vader was in his mid-40's) he was a physical ruin and the last time he was on the good side of The Force and was whole was as young Anakin.

No, they really don't. They dislike him because he's not a very good actor. However, I realize that it's not all his fault. The writing in the prequels was very bad at times. However, after watching Hayden in Jumper, I just don't think he's very good. His delivery is very wooden, and his characters are always flat. I do need to watch him in more movies though, because I've only seen him in the prequels and Jumper. But from what I've seen, he's just not very good.

Ewan and Liam turned in great performances with the same scripts. Hayden just isn't much of an actor, although his physical acting is good, his lightsaber fighting is impressive, and he does have charisma and presence. He is good at being threatening. But he's just not in Ewan's league. Also, western actors never do well with blue and greenscreen because they lack the theatrical background of their European counterparts. All the western actors in the PT gave performances below their usual standards. Lucas should have cast Keira Knightly as Padme and hired a euro actor for Anakin too, IMO.

Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?. I mean I personally used to watch the OT's alot as a kid because my brother liked them, but I hated them. They were so boring to me. I'd eventually just wonder off & play elsewhere. So I never really got connected to them as a kid, but it wasn't until I saw episodes 1 & 2 that I got into Star Wars, weird I know, since they are claimed to be the worst of the bunch. Once I got into episodes 1 & 2 I went back & watched the OT's again in their special edition forms & I fell in love with them. I love them every bit as much as the prequels but it was only because of the prequels that I got into Star Wars. Now when I first watched episode 1, the first of the Star Wars films I liked I was 13, I was a kid, so when i look back on the prequels I cherish them because I discovered them when I was young. Since most feels the prequels sucked that must mean that my love of them must stem from my cherished memories of discovering them when i was a child, not from a fair, honest judgement as a casual movie goer. So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.



Steve

I am a fan since 1977 having seen the original (before it's ANH days) when I was 8 in the theater. I've never hated the prequels and have always judged them in what I feel is a fair manner. They have their flaws but they have some great moments and I do think they are great Star Wars movies.

The ending to Return of the Jedi (minus Hayden ghost) was much better in the Special Edition than that terrible Ewok song in the original. Just because there are some bad additions, doesn't mean there aren't any superior ones.

Agree completely. The ending of ROTJ destroys the original. I like most of the SE changes in ROTJ.

[Hush]

Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?. I mean I personally used to watch the OT's alot as a kid because my brother liked them, but I hated them. They were so boring to me. I'd eventually just wonder off & play elsewhere. So I never really got connected to them as a kid, but it wasn't until I saw episodes 1 & 2 that I got into Star Wars, weird I know, since they are claimed to be the worst of the bunch. Once I got into episodes 1 & 2 I went back & watched the OT's again in their special edition forms & I fell in love with them. I love them every bit as much as the prequels but it was only because of the prequels that I got into Star Wars. Now when I first watched episode 1, the first of the Star Wars films I liked I was 13, I was a kid, so when i look back on the prequels I cherish them because I discovered them when I was young. Since most feels the prequels sucked that must mean that my love of them must stem from my cherished memories of discovering them when i was a child, not from a fair, honest judgement as a casual movie goer. So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.



Steve

I think its as Lucas says, "People over 30-40 hate the PT and people under 30, to an extent, hate the OT." That got many laughs in his interview with Stewart, while its not accurate it definately nails the point home that there will always be two groups of people and two groups of fans. We can all agree on one thing though, Darth Maul was awesome and far too much wasted potential. Oh and Liam was awesome, that too.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't know why people expected so much screentime from Maul. Seriously, I think people thought because Vader had a gooda mount of screentime in the OT meant we would see alot fo Maul. But hey, these movies have always been focused on the Skywalkers.

[MOVIELORD101]

I don't know why people expected so much screentime from Maul. Seriously, I think people thought because Vader had a gooda mount of screentime in the OT meant we would see alot fo Maul. But hey, these movies have always been focused on the Skywalkers.

That and Darth Maul only had 2 LINES in the enitre film:

"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge."

"Yes, Master."

And, THAT'S ALL HE SAYS! Guess he was supposed to be the silent-but-deadly kind of guy. Oh well.

[MOVIELORD101]

I`ve had the personal belief that this plays a bigger factor than most people are willing to admit, but that`s just my opinion. For myself, i remember some of the emotions i had while watching the OT as a kid. Some things just played such a huge role in my mind back then that now i barely even notice, like the banthas and sand people... dont ask me why but they impressed the heck out of me when i was younger, and yet looking at them now they dont really ammount to much in the movie or in the context of the story. U would think they would have had more scenes to create such an impression on me, but no :hehe:. It just comes from having this perception the first time i saw the movie.

Star Wars (even the OT) was always criticized for the wooden acting and the focus on effects. Even poor poppet Yoda got slammed, and dont even get me started on the ewoks lol. I just think that the internet these days and the constant exposure to more effects now raises the standart and people expect certain things. Also, decades passed between the two trilogies. People had time to make up what they wanted the PT to be and how it should go. I firmly believe that no matter who George cast, how he told the story, how he shot the film or who wrote the scripts, not everyone was going to be happy with it. There was always going to be unhappy people. In the end, George went with what he wanted to tell, so for that reason alone i give him credit. Had i been in his position i dont know that i would have subjected myself to the *****ing that making the PT involved.

I`m not saying the PT doesnt have faults, but i`m saying for me they`re not as bad as people make them out to be. The OT is far from perfect aswell if u ask me, and i still i love them.

So there, that`s my take on this :oldrazz:

THANK YOU! Thank you so much! That's EXACTLY my thoughts on the PT overall, especially Episodes I and II!

[roach]

I don't know why people expected so much screentime from Maul. Seriously, I think people thought because Vader had a gooda mount of screentime in the OT meant we would see alot fo Maul. But hey, these movies have always been focused on the Skywalkers.

I think Maul was a throwaway character and Lucas didnt realize how popular the character was going to be. Maul had to die so Obi wan could become a Jedi Knight and become a master to Anakin.

[MOVIELORD101]

I think Maul was a throwaway character and Lucas didnt realize how popular the character was going to be. Maul had to die so Obi wan could become a Jedi Knight and become a master to Anakin.

So, overall, it was for the greater good, lol.

yUpbOliTHJY

[roach]

So, overall, it was for the greater good, lol.

yUpbOliTHJY

yes

[Timstuff]

Lucas didn't expect Boba Fett to be so popular, either. That seems to happen with a fair few Star Wars bad asses, lol.

[DarthSkywalker]

Remaster them by improving the picture, erasing the matte lines, solidifying the transparencies on the snowspeeders like in ESB? What that all amounts to is a Special Edition edit. To me, if you want the O-OT, then you want every wart and flaw. The bad matte lines around the TIE Fighters. The horrible composting on the Rancor. All of it. Fix any of it, it's a SE version. The O-OT is on DVD and a blu-ray version would just expose more of it's flaws. It's not a movie that was ever designed to be seen in Hi-Def.

I am fine with that.

Personally don't have much trouble with the special editions (I love how they look now), until Lucas started erasing performances. That is what bothers me.

Are the OT's really that good though? or is it that people who like them simply grew up with them & are biased?. I mean I personally used to watch the OT's alot as a kid because my brother liked them, but I hated them. They were so boring to me. I'd eventually just wonder off & play elsewhere. So I never really got connected to them as a kid, but it wasn't until I saw episodes 1 & 2 that I got into Star Wars, weird I know, since they are claimed to be the worst of the bunch. Once I got into episodes 1 & 2 I went back & watched the OT's again in their special edition forms & I fell in love with them. I love them every bit as much as the prequels but it was only because of the prequels that I got into Star Wars. Now when I first watched episode 1, the first of the Star Wars films I liked I was 13, I was a kid, so when i look back on the prequels I cherish them because I discovered them when I was young. Since most feels the prequels sucked that must mean that my love of them must stem from my cherished memories of discovering them when i was a child, not from a fair, honest judgement as a casual movie goer. So as i said before, are the originals really that good or is it that you simply discovered them as a kid?. Also I know the originals were very successful back in the 70's but films were also less scrutinized back then so was it just let off easy?.



Steve

I suggest you read up on film before 1999. That is so far off base, it is kind of sad.

Personally there are a lot of films from my youth that I know I enjoy because of nostalgia. I can look at them objectively, and tell you way they aren't all that great. It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of them in the least bit, because they are tied to my memories, just like home movies.

Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back are both great films. You get more acting, more emotion out of a puppet then you do anything in the prequels outside of his CGI counterpart, which comes nowhere near the original. They are beautifully shot, have two of the best films scores ever record, and most importantly there are plenty of great performances. Films live or die on their performances and Hamil, Ford, Fisher, Jones, Oz and Sir Alec are all fantastic.

There is a reason the prequels haven't provided the iconic symbols the OT did. The voice of Vader is more iconic then anything produced in the prequels.

[spider-neil]

I am fine with that.

Personally don't have much trouble with the special editions (I love how they look now), until Lucas started erasing performances. That is what bothers me.



I suggest you read up on film before 1999. That is so far off base, it is kind of sad.

Personally there are a lot of films from my youth that I know I enjoy because of nostalgia. I can look at them objectively, and tell you way they aren't all that great. It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of them in the least bit, because they are tied to my memories, just like home movies.

Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back are both great films. You get more acting, more emotion out of a puppet then you do anything in the prequels outside of his CGI counterpart, which comes nowhere near the original. They are beautifully shot, have two of the best films scores ever record, and most importantly there are plenty of great performances. Films live or die on their performances and Hamil, Ford, Fisher, Jones, Oz and Sir Alec are all fantastic.

There is a reason the prequels haven't provided the iconic symbols the OT did. The voice of Vader is more iconic then anything produced in the prequels.

chelsea are champions and you are still in the shadow of the mighty reds :yay:

[MOVIELORD101]

Btw, anyone seen the new Clone Wars Season 3 Mega Trailer yet?

[Sam Fisher]

Btw, anyone seen the new Clone Wars Season 3 Mega Trailer yet?

This? http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/34780/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-3-extended-trailer-released/

:awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome::awes ome::awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:

[Daredevil]

I am a rare breed of Star Wars fan in that I love both the OT and PT and watch them both frequently.

Dont judge me.

I do think that the CGI Clone Wars Series and movie are both completely horrid though.

The older Clone Wars series was really good in my honest opinion.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I am a rare breed of Star Wars fan in that I love both the OT and PT and watch them both frequently.

Dont judge me.

i think the only times i bother to watch the prequels is when they are being shown on Spike TV and nothing else is on

i can watch the original trilogy whenever though :yay:

[Monsieur Xavier]

I am a rare breed of Star Wars fan in that I love both the OT and PT and watch them both frequently.

Dont judge me.

You must choose a side, either Dark ( the PT ) or Jedi ( OT ) but I suspect you're a Dark Jedi :)

[roach]

You must choose a side, either Dark ( the PT ) or Jedi ( OT ) but I suspect you're a Dark Jedi :)

actually those who love both are Jedi...those who have hate in their heart are Dark

[Bim]

DCW: hmm i think i have one of those mini helmets MR released a while ago, a stormtrooper one. I still havent unboxed all my stuff though so that`s why i kinda forget :o, but MR released quality stuff. I`d go for it if i was u.

I am a rare breed of Star Wars fan in that I love both the OT and PT and watch them both frequently.

Dont judge me.
Ur not rare, and if u are then i am too :oldrazz:, cause i enjoy the entire saga. I really need to do another one of those marathons soon, havent done that in a while.

MOVIELORD101: that mega-trailer is awesome. I`m really excited for season 3!

[roach]

DCW: hmm i think i have one of those mini helmets MR released a while ago, a stormtrooper one. I still havent unboxed all my stuff though so that`s why i kinda forget :o, but MR released quality stuff. I`d go for it if i was u.


Ur not rare, and if u are then i am too :oldrazz:, cause i enjoy the entire saga. I really need to do another one of those marathons soon, havent done that in a while.

MOVIELORD101: that mega-trailer is awesome. I`m really excited for season 3!

the mega trailer got me and my friends into Clone Wars...finished season one and im downloading season 2 on PSN

[Bim]

Ooh enjoy catching up! My favorite season 2 episode was Landing at Point Rain :up::up:

[Happy Jack]

I am fine with that.

Personally don't have much trouble with the special editions (I love how they look now), until Lucas started erasing performances. That is what bothers me.

The blue hue in Empire bothers me in some places, mainly in Hoth. It doesn't look white.

Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back are both great films. You get more acting, more emotion out of a puppet then you do anything in the prequels outside of his CGI counterpart, which comes nowhere near the original. They are beautifully shot, have two of the best films scores ever record, and most importantly there are plenty of great performances. Films live or die on their performances and Hamil, Ford, Fisher, Jones, Oz and Sir Alec are all fantastic.

There is a reason the prequels haven't provided the iconic symbols the OT did. The voice of Vader is more iconic then anything produced in the prequels.
Spot-on. :up:

[roach]

Ooh enjoy catching up! My favorite season 2 episode was Landing at Point Rain :up::up:

I am amazed at how they get away with death on this show

[Bim]

I am amazed at how they get away with death on this show
Yeah, they certainly dont shy away from it. They dont go for gore though, maybe that`s why they`ve been able to get away with it.

[roach]

Yeah, they certainly dont shy away from it. They dont go for gore though, maybe that`s why they`ve been able to get away with it.

guess im too used to GI Joe blowing up vehicles and everyone surviving

[Rain Dog]

I mean it's not the first cartoon network show to depict death. I remember arms being torn off and people being blown to bits on DBZ

[Spider-Vader]

I'm 15 & I find the OT vastly superior to TPM & AOTC. Better story, better acting, better characters, better writing & better action. ROTS is pretty good though, everything in that movie improved from the dogs*** that came before. Though, Hayden is still cringe worthy as Anakin.

TPM & AOTC are extremely boring IMO, AOTC imparticular. I think the fact that the acting is bad & I don't care for the characters makes me think it's boring. I hear alot of people say ESB & TDK movies have bad action, but I LOVE the action in those movies. Infact, ESB has one of my favorite action scenes (Luke vs Vader, while the others try to escape from Bespin).

It's really all a matter of taste when it comes to SW, well atleast when it comes to how the younger fans like the series.

[Spider-Vader]

I'm 15 & I find the OT vastly superior to TPM & AOTC. Better story, better acting, better characters, better writing & better action. ROTS is pretty good though, everything in that movie improved from the dogs*** that came before. Though, Hayden is still cringe worthy as Anakin.

TPM & AOTC are extremely boring IMO, AOTC imparticular. I think the fact that the acting is bad & I don't care for the characters makes me think it's boring. I hear alot of people say ESB & TDK movies have bad action, but I LOVE the action in those movies. Infact, ESB has one of my favorite action scenes (Luke vs Vader, while the others try to escape from Bespin).

It's really all a matter of taste when it comes to SW, well atleast when it comes to how the younger fans like the series.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I'm 19, and I find them to be on par with each other.


yeahhhhh

[Yodaman]

I hear alot of people say ESB & TDK movies have bad action, but I LOVE the action in those movies.

Who the **** can possibly think that the Battle of Hoth and the Asteroid Chase are not absolute cinematic gold? These people need to be banished from this planet.

[Spider-Vader]

For real. People say that it's the most boring out of the series. *Looks at AOTC with it's horrible love story & lame lightsaber battle that could be the worst in the series*

[Yodaman]

They're probably Michael Bay fans :whatever:

[Daredevil]

I liked The Phantom Menace for 3 reasons.

Liam Neeson
Qui Gon Jinn
Darth Maul

And AOTC is probably my least favorite of the entire saga. However the fact that Christopher Lee is in it warrants a watch every year or so

[Obi-Ron]

I am amazed at how they get away with death on this show

I'm REALLLLLLY hoping we'll see Asohka turn out to be Boba's "disintegration." :devil:

[Sam Fisher]

If you can get past the acting, ROTS is a pretty awasome movie.

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed. I mean I liked Hayden in ROTS, his relationship turning from father and son to brother and brother with Obi-Wan helped alot and made him more likeable, and you felt it when Obi-Wan admits he failed him and looked down on him when he had no choice to battle him.

In AOTC? Nope. He was good at looking angry when he went bat **** on the Tusken Raiders.

[Hellion]

For real. People say that it's the most boring out of the series. *Looks at AOTC with it's horrible love story & lame lightsaber battle that could be the worst in the series*


I still enjoy AOTC but the love story comes terribly close to ruining the film to me......the film doesn't get enjoyable again till the characters get to Geonosis. (Did I spell that right?)

[Monsieur Xavier]

The love story in AOTC is weak but I really love Nathalie Portman dress ( the diner scene on Naboo )... My character in SWG had the same, haaa nostalgia sigh

[Doctor Jones]

The love story is awful in AOTC. I mean it was unbearale at 10 years old it's still unbearable. I mean romance stuff is suppose to get better for guys as we get older. This doesn't.

But Portman herself? My God. Lucas sure know how to make a 10 year old sit up straighter in his seat. She was otherworldy gorgeous, if that even sounds grammatically correct. About the most beautiful woman I've ever seen at that time. And she still is. Great looks and is intelligent = ideal woman.

But other than that, Obi-Wan's subplot is about the onnly watchable thing. Dat mullet.

[Kurosawa]

I loved her Ozma dress from the meadow scene because I am a big fan of the Oz books:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1RaJb2xGPh8/SiSMJYxpd7I/AAAAAAAABcE/WZNw38qNeiE/s400/aotc-anakin_padme_lg21.jpg

http://padawansguide.com/padme/flowered/padme_flowered_promo1.jpg

http://catalog.lambertvillelibrary.org/texts/American/baum/ozma/resources/cover3.jpg

[VenomVsSpidey]

I want to marry her. :csad:

[david icke]

I'm 15 & I find the OT vastly superior to TPM & AOTC. Better story, better acting, better characters, better writing & better action. ROTS is pretty good though, everything in that movie improved from the dogs*** that came before. Though, Hayden is still cringe worthy as Anakin.

TPM & AOTC are extremely boring IMO, AOTC imparticular. I think the fact that the acting is bad & I don't care for the characters makes me think it's boring. I hear alot of people say ESB & TDK movies have bad action, but I LOVE the action in those movies. Infact, ESB has one of my favorite action scenes (Luke vs Vader, while the others try to escape from Bespin).

It's really all a matter of taste when it comes to SW, well atleast when it comes to how the younger fans like the series.

I wonder how I would have reacted to the PT when i was younger, like, really young, under 10, but i imagine it would be much the same. Because I find it pretty easy to slip into that childlike frame of mind i had when i was growing up watching the movies and playing with the toys.
when i got a bootleg tape of TPM when it first came out, i watched it all the time, just because it was SW and it felt like the SW universe.
But, now the novelty has worn off i don't feel like wathcing it so much, i had about a 2/3yrs break from it, and watched it again recently, and i enjoyed it up until they left Tatooine, after that the movie gets *really* boring, at least before that you have Liam Neeson doing some vaguely interesting stuff in regards to his relationship with Anakin.

AOTC,...I can't really find the urge to put it on, and that has been about a 2/3yr break i have had from it. The love story is awful, when it could have been one of the greats, forbidden love, that story practically writes itself, unless of course you start comparing the girl to sand getting in your trousers.

ROTS...has great action, the best and most tasteful CG of the PT, and so much going on that it doesn't get boring for me. I'm still not sure whether I prefer it to ROTJ.

and people thinking the action in Empire is not great, my mind boggles, the Vader/Luke fight is still by far my fav lightsabre battle, and the battle of Hoth and Asteroid field sequence are some of the best action committed to film.

I forget a lot of the fans on these boards are less than half my age, so it is interesting to see their reactions to the new movies compared to the old.

[roach]

I am 38 years old and have seen the OT in the theaters on the first run and I love the PT as much as I love the OT. I also love Clone Wars

[Obi-Ron]

I want to marry her. :csad:

I would have killed all the Jedi for her...even the younglings...

Especially the younglings :awesome:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I would have killed all the Jedi for her...even the younglings...

Especially the younglings :awesome:

SHE'S MINE, DON'T YOU TURN HER AGAINST ME:cmad::cmad::awesome:


I am 38 years old and have seen the OT in the theaters on the first run and I love the PT as much as I love the OT. I also love Clone Wars

:up:

[roach]

thank you for thumbing up my old age

[roach]

Ooh enjoy catching up! My favorite season 2 episode was Landing at Point Rain :up::up:

wow just watched this episode...loved how they set the Geonosians on fire...wow I love this series

[VenomVsSpidey]

thank you for thumbing up my old age

anytime:o:csad::oldrazz:

[Hush]

Yeah so im thinking im going to have to invest in this Clone Wars Series you guys keep talking up. haha.

[roach]

Yeah so im thinking im going to have to invest in this Clone Wars Series you guys keep talking up. haha.

i bought the bluray and i love it...i had dismissed it as a kiddie show but after watching it i was wrong....there are kiddie elements but it a very well written show...Paul Dini wrote a few episodes

[MOVIELORD101]

i bought the bluray and i love it...i had dismissed it as a kiddie show but after watching it i was wrong....there are kiddie elements but it a very well written show...Paul Dini wrote a few episodes

That, and the clone troopers occasionally use mild swearing like "damn" and "hell".

[Hush]

Well i saw the movie at midnight, yeah i know but hey it was Star Wars in THEATERS, I had to see it on the basis of being a Nerd.

[roach]

That, and the clone troopers occasionally use mild swearing like "damn" and "hell".

and people get killed left and right....the last ep i saw had them use flame throwers on Geonosians....i saw someone take a sabre to the chest and it exit out the other side

[Bim]

wow just watched this episode...loved how they set the Geonosians on fire...wow I love this series
:hehe: yeah. I loved the action and the drama in this episode. It`s pretty intense, and i particularly enjoyed Obi-Wan`s dread returning to Geonosis.

Now u need to go watch the Mandalore episodes, and i also enjoyed the Zillo Beast ones and Death Trap :cwink:

[roach]

:hehe: yeah. I loved the action and the drama in this episode. It`s pretty intense, and i particularly enjoyed Obi-Wan`s dread returning to Geonosis.

Now u need to go watch the Mandalore episodes, and i also enjoyed the Zillo Beast ones and Death Trap :cwink:

darn it...i stopped downloading at that episode

[Bim]

Keep on downloading... u know u want to... give in to the Clone Wars :awesome::lmao:

[DarKJediKnight]

I may know how to download Clone Wars Animated series from hosting sites, but I still want to buy a legitimate copy. Are the Seasons 1 and 2 already available?

[Sam Fisher]

Season 1 is. Season 2 is coming out in the next couple months.

[I'm Old Greg]

I'm 15 & I find the OT vastly superior to TPM & AOTC. Better story, better acting, better characters, better writing & better action. ROTS is pretty good though, everything in that movie improved from the dogs*** that came before. Though, Hayden is still cringe worthy as Anakin.

TPM & AOTC are extremely boring IMO, AOTC imparticular. I think the fact that the acting is bad & I don't care for the characters makes me think it's boring. I hear alot of people say ESB & TDK movies have bad action, but I LOVE the action in those movies. Infact, ESB has one of my favorite action scenes (Luke vs Vader, while the others try to escape from Bespin).

It's really all a matter of taste when it comes to SW, well atleast when it comes to how the younger fans like the series.


they should REBOOT the prequels..

its funny how the entire audience at Celebration V turns on Lucas and nearly Lynches him When he says no one under the age of 40 likes the original unaltered trilogy, and that everyone under 30 loves the prequels... you hear kids and people booing and **** hahaa

[roach]

they should REBOOT the prequels..

its funny how the entire audience at Celebration V turns on Lucas and nearly Lynches him When he says no one under the age of 40 likes the original unaltered trilogy, you hear kids and people booing and **** hahaa

yeah people booed but it was because some people do like them both...I know I was there and heard some of the calls and yells from the audience

[roach]

I may know how to download Clone Wars Animated series from hosting sites, but I still want to buy a legitimate copy. Are the Seasons 1 and 2 already available?

Season 2 is available for download on Playstation Network...in HD too

[I'm Old Greg]

no one wanted to be involved with Lucas and the prequels because they knew it would be crap, they didn't want to be controlled by his toy fury. Everyone just said.."you should do them". thats why Lucas was surrounded by yes men on epidsodes 1 2 an 3

[Kurosawa]

yeah people booed but it was because some people do like them both...I know I was there and heard some of the calls and yells from the audience

Shhhhhh don't you know the truth doesn't count when it's hate on GL time.

I imagine why some people Lucas approached told him to do it himself was because they didn't want to catch the venomous hatred, sometimes extending to death threats, from people whose childhoodez wuz rapeid by der ebil Luca$.

[bullets]

Anyone see IGN ask celebrities who their favorite character is? Paul Rudd said ig 88 , lol .

[Kurosawa]

Anyone see IGN ask celebrities who their favorite character is? Paul Rudd said ig 88 , lol .

:awesome:

[Drizzle]

Anyone see IGN ask celebrities who their favorite character is? Paul Rudd said ig 88 , lol .
Not enough people said Chewie. And nobody said Yoda? Shenanigans!

[Monsieur Xavier]

Anyone see IGN ask celebrities who their favorite character is? Paul Rudd said ig 88 , lol .

He is only a character in the extended universe, in the movies he is just a shadow in the background :)

[bullets]

And nobody said Yoda? Shenanigans!


I would of said Yoda , lol .

[CGHulk]

"Something Something Something Dark Side" is free to watch online.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/148550/family-guy-something-something-something-dark-side#x-0,vepisode,1,0

[DarthSkywalker]

and people get killed left and right....the last ep i saw had them use flame throwers on Geonosians....i saw someone take a sabre to the chest and it exit out the other side

The show's quality seems directly tied to whether Ashoka is in the episode, or at least her role. The character brings down the serious level with every episode she is in, with the exception of her lost lightsaber episode.

[roach]

i dont have an issue with the character...the ep where she takes command and loses all her clones was a pretty serious one

[MOVIELORD101]

The show's quality seems directly tied to whether Ashoka is in the episode, or at least her role. The character brings down the serious level with every episode she is in, with the exception of her lost lightsaber episode.

I completely disagree. After the theatrical movie came out, I was afraid she would be an annoying character. Fortunately, it appears that the movie was just a fluke, since everything about the show including Ahsoka's personality has been a LOT more mature than I thought. Some of this includes periodical mild swearing, character deaths, a few scary senarios (the 3-episode brain worm infestation story) and even some surprisingly adult themes. Season 2 even has an episode based off of the classic film, The Seven Samurai (it's even dedicated to Akira Kurisawa himself!)! Oh, and George Lucas didn't write a single one of these episodes.

There's also been a few celebrity voice-overs occasionally, such as director John Favreau as a Mandalorian in Season 2!

[roach]

I laughed when I saw George Takei(Mr Sulu from Star Trek) voiced a character.

Actually most of the stories start from a GL idea and then a writer fleshes it out. His daughter actually wrote a few episodes

[DocHoliday]

Lucas tried to get Tom Stoppard to co-direct the prequels with him. He'd worry about the technical stuff and Stoppard would direct the actors. Personally I think Episode I and II would have been all time greats if he'd have brought in the playwright then. Didn't Stoppard to an uncredited script doctoring job on Episode III?

[DarthSkywalker]

i dont have an issue with the character...the ep where she takes command and loses all her clones was a pretty serious one

It loses any element of seriousness with her mere presence. Ashoka's taking on Sith, leading troops, and situations that Anakin and Obi-Wan would have trouble with ruins the show. Any dialogue that involves her includes kiddy nicknames, preaching and an all around lack of seriousness.

This is a show that has made Jar Jar fun, mainly because his episodes do what they say on the tin. There is no attempt to make Jar Jar a hero on the level of these fully trained Jedi. They try to stick Ashoka in the same situations as Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda and it kills any tension the show has.

Why do I need an annoying little character that gives everything a nickname to do what Obi-Wan, Anakin and countless other Jedi could already do?

I completely disagree. After the theatrical movie came out, I was afraid she would be an annoying character. Fortunately, it appears that the movie was just a fluke, since everything about the show including Ahsoka's personality has been a LOT more mature than I thought. Some of this includes periodical mild swearing, character deaths, a few scary senarios (the 3-episode brain worm infestation story) and even some surprisingly adult themes. Season 2 even has an episode based off of the classic film, The Seven Samurai (it's even dedicated to Akira Kurisawa himself!)! Oh, and George Lucas didn't write a single one of these episodes.

There's also been a few celebrity voice-overs occasionally, such as director John Favreau as a Mandalorian in Season 2!

Don't get me started on how terrible the Seven Samurai episode was. Terrible disappointment.

[Yodaman]

That nickname stuff definitely stopped about halfway through the first season.

[DarthSkywalker]

That nickname stuff definitely stopped about halfway through the first season.

That is what happens when you go episodes without actually seeing the character.