Star Wars 2.0

[roach]

She has a definite purpose:
George Lucas stated that the character of Ahsoka was developed for the series as a means of illustrating how Anakin Skywalker develops from the brash, undisciplined Padawan in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones to the more reserved Jedi Knight in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. Giving Anakin his own Padawan would place the character into a paternal role where he would be forced to become more cautious and responsible. It would also give Anakin new insight into his relationship with his own mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and explain how their relationship matured. Lucas stated that, having raised two daughters, he "knew something about the subject," and decided to make Anakin's apprentice a young female.

[DarthSkywalker]

She has a definite purpose:
George Lucas stated that the character of Ahsoka was developed for the series as a means of illustrating how Anakin Skywalker develops from the brash, undisciplined Padawan in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones to the more reserved Jedi Knight in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. Giving Anakin his own Padawan would place the character into a paternal role where he would be forced to become more cautious and responsible. It would also give Anakin new insight into his relationship with his own mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and explain how their relationship matured. Lucas stated that, having raised two daughters, he "knew something about the subject," and decided to make Anakin's apprentice a young female.

Two things. That explanation is completely counter productive to ROTS. Anakin is not a more reserved Jedi in ROTS. He is just as brash and possibly even dumber then he was in AOTC. His crying about not being on the council is just one of many examples.

Secondly even if that is her purpose, she doesn't need to be going out dueling Sith and going on solo missions that would give Mace Windu trouble.

[Bim]

I`m curious to see what Ahsoka`s purpose is in the long run. It does look like things get rather serious with her with her visions for next season. Should be interesting to see what they`re about and how she handles it, specially considering Anakin dealing with visions aswell. In the end we know he messes up due in part by them.

[Yodaman]

That is what happens when you go episodes without actually seeing the character.

No she definitely hasn't said anything like "Skyguy" or "Artooey" at all since the beginning.

Secondly even if that is her purpose, she doesn't need to be going out dueling Sith and going on solo missions that would give Mace Windu trouble.

First, she's Anakin's padawan, and he's one of the top generals of the Clone Wars. She's going to get into those kind of situations by default. Secondly, a lot times she does get into these situations (like dueling Grievous) it's because she's being brash and headstrong and not listening to Anakin. Anakin would never force Ahsoka to do something that he thinks she couldn't handle.

[DarthSkywalker]

No she definitely hasn't said anything like "Skyguy" or "Artooey" at all since the beginning.



First, she's Anakin's padawan, and he's one of the top generals of the Clone Wars. She's going to get into those kind of situations by default. Secondly, a lot times she does get into these situations (like dueling Grievous) it's because she's being brash and headstrong and not listening to Anakin. Anakin would never force Ahsoka to do something that he thinks she couldn't handle.

She is Anakin Skywalker's apprentice, not Anakin Skywalker. She should be writing reports, getting coffee and not seeing the battlefield in her teens. In such situation she should be... dead. Getting into such situation should equal her death. It is the equivalent to Jake Lloyd- Fighter Pilot in Episode I on an even dumber scale.

How many Jedi survived the arena? Encounters with Grevious? That she goes through such ordeals and survives induces eye rolling.

But hey I guess she was needed because Anakin's apprentice was talked about so much in episodes 3-6... oh wait. She, just like Starkiller, are annoying, one dimensional EU characters who the writes trying to make important, but have failed at being surrogate Luke Skywalkers.

[MOVIELORD101]

No she definitely hasn't said anything like "Skyguy" or "Artooey" at all since the beginning.



First, she's Anakin's padawan, and he's one of the top generals of the Clone Wars. She's going to get into those kind of situations by default. Secondly, a lot times she does get into these situations (like dueling Grievous) it's because she's being brash and headstrong and not listening to Anakin. Anakin would never force Ahsoka to do something that he thinks she couldn't handle.
Definitely a sign of the character become a LOT more mature since the theatrical movie, and, given what she's about to go through in Season 3, looks like her training under Anakin's going to be put to the test.

[Yodaman]

She should be writing reports, getting coffee and not seeing the battlefield in her teens.

What riveting television that would be.

It's clear you have your own definition of what a Jedi apprentice should be. Just don't expect George and Filoni to have the exact same one.

[DarthSkywalker]

What riveting television that would be.

It's clear you have your own definition of what a Jedi apprentice should be. Just don't expect George and Filoni to have the exact same one.

That is why she shouldn't be there. Her existence doesn't make much sense or riveting television.

[Hush]

Your getting way to worked up about this Darth.

[roach]

She is Anakin Skywalker's apprentice, not Anakin Skywalker. She should be writing reports, getting coffee and not seeing the battlefield in her teens. In such situation she should be... dead. Getting into such situation should equal her death. It is the equivalent to Jake Lloyd- Fighter Pilot in Episode I on an even dumber scale.



right because thats what Anakin did when he was Obi Wan's padawan...he never got into fights with people who outmatched him....not like he got scarred or lost a limb

[roach]

I`m curious to see what Ahsoka`s purpose is in the long run. It does look like things get rather serious with her with her visions for next season. Should be interesting to see what they`re about and how she handles it, specially considering Anakin dealing with visions aswell. In the end we know he messes up due in part by them.

when Filoni was talking about working with Lucas he talked about a few times when George picked the character design for Anakin's apprentice he told Lucas "Anakin doesnt have a padawan". When Lucas explain her purpose and her character arc Filoni discovered that GL know what he is doing. Hell at the Clone Wars panel on of the most asked questions was what happened to Ashoka or what will happen to her.

[Bim]

right because thats what Anakin did when he was Obi Wan's padawan...he never got into fights with people who outmatched him....not like he got scarred or lost a limb
:lmao:

If she`s in there, they must have a pretty good reason. I`ll trust Lucas and Dave with this one, so i guess i`ll just have to wait and see what happens to Ahsoka in the end and hold off my final opinion about her until then. Her character has changed a lot from the start, so i`m intrigued where she goes next (and ultimately ends up :cwink:)

[Monsieur Xavier]

My guess :
Her purpose is to die maybe from the hands of Asaji Vantress thus making Anakin angry, he will seek revenge over Vantress which will lead him one step closer to the Dark Side.

[Bim]

I actually thought from the start when they introduced the character that if she dies it would be Dooku that does it, but who knows. If they chose to kill her they certainly have plenty of people who could do it right: Ventress, Boba, or even Aurra.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Vantress is just a guess but I think it will be a Force user. Dooku is a good guess too.

[roach]

my theories;
1) She is killed
2)She becomes a Jedi knight
3)She becomes assigned to another master

[Kurosawa]

She is Anakin Skywalker's apprentice, not Anakin Skywalker. She should be writing reports, getting coffee and not seeing the battlefield in her teens. In such situation she should be... dead. Getting into such situation should equal her death. It is the equivalent to Jake Lloyd- Fighter Pilot in Episode I on an even dumber scale.

How many Jedi survived the arena? Encounters with Grevious? That she goes through such ordeals and survives induces eye rolling.

But hey I guess she was needed because Anakin's apprentice was talked about so much in episodes 3-6... oh wait. She, just like Starkiller, are annoying, one dimensional EU characters who the writes trying to make important, but have failed at being surrogate Luke Skywalkers.

Teens have always fought in wars. My dad enlisted when was 17. And Padawans are basically Squires, who did see the battlefield at least in the legends they did. Wedge was 16 at the Battle of Yavin, and Luke was 19, so...teens fighting battles has always been a part of SW.

Definitely a sign of the character become a LOT more mature since the theatrical movie, and, given what she's about to go through in Season 3, looks like her training under Anakin's going to be put to the test.

I just have this feeling there's going to be more to her than we could suspect. Her final fate will be huge and could be very surprising.

[Crockett]

After re-watching the OT I feel like I need more Star Wars fix, so like some I probably start watching the Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
Question though, is it important to watch the animated movie first or can I skip to the series directly?

[Bim]

Croc-kett: i think it`s better to watch it, cause it introduces Anakin`s new padawan Ahsoka. Also, there`s an episode down the line that goes back to the event of the movie. So i would say give it a go. I wouldnt say it`s vital that u do, but it`s just nice to have all the info, at least to me. It will show her character evolution for sure when u get to season 2, cause she`s matured since we first saw her.

On another subject, enjoy! :awesome: http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/CV_BluRay_Cut_Scene_Online_133245.asp

V: Blu-Ray Cut Scene Online!
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Posted By Dustin (dustin@rebelscum.com) on August 19, 2010

Here it is Fanboys and Fangirls, the Return of the Jedi deleted scene to be included on new Blu-Ray release.

The scene shows Luke Skywalker building his Return of the Jedi lightsaber. It gave me goosebumps, and I hope it gives you some too!

Enjoy! NO FAN LEFT BEHIND!

UPDATE: Check it out before it is gone again!

[marvelrobbins]

You can watch the series without the film.While the film Introduces ahsoka let's say you will like her In the series more.I didn't care much for her In the film but the series makes her a more Intresting character.

[roach]

Croc-kett: i think it`s better to watch it, cause it introduces Anakin`s new padawan Ahsoka. Also, there`s an episode down the line that goes back to the event of the movie. So i would say give it a go. I wouldnt say it`s vital that u do, but it`s just nice to have all the info, at least to me. It will show her character evolution for sure when u get to season 2, cause she`s matured since we first saw her.

On another subject, enjoy! :awesome: http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/CV_BluRay_Cut_Scene_Online_133245.asp

V: Blu-Ray Cut Scene Online!
http://www.theforce.net/images/global/pixel.gif
Posted By Dustin (dustin@rebelscum.com) on August 19, 2010

Here it is Fanboys and Fangirls, the Return of the Jedi deleted scene to be included on new Blu-Ray release.

The scene shows Luke Skywalker building his Return of the Jedi lightsaber. It gave me goosebumps, and I hope it gives you some too!

Enjoy! NO FAN LEFT BEHIND!

UPDATE: Check it out before it is gone again!


I was in the audience when the clip was shown and we all went crazy

[Crockett]

I guess I could give the film a shot, oh yeah and that scene, awesome. :awesome:

[Doctor Jones]

Wedge was 16 at the battle of Yavin? The ****? The man looked like he was in his late 30's.

[Donut]

my theories;
1) She is killed
2)She becomes a Jedi knight
3)She becomes assigned to another master

I say she gets killed & I don't know have her death be so tragic that Anakin & Obi-Wan & the other Jedi just agrees to not talk or think about it which would explain why she was never mentioned before ? But her departure should I think tie into why she was never mentioned before. Besides the fact that she was just thought of for the show

[roach]

actually going by Lucasfilm Wedge was 21...he was born 21BBY(before the battle of yavin)
http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/13

[Doctor Jones]

Alright. That makes more sense.

[Bim]

Wedge was 16 at the battle of Yavin? The ****? The man looked like he was in his late 30's.
People looked really old in the OT, look at what happened to Obi-Wan :oldrazz:

[Monsieur Xavier]

You can watch the series without the film.While the film Introduces ahsoka let's say you will like her In the series more.I didn't care much for her In the film but the series makes her a more Intresting character.

Hi,

I agree. IMO, the animated film was bad next to the TV show.

The Hutt ( Jabba cousin if I recall ) is utterly bad in the movie

[Monsieur Xavier]

People looked really old in the OT, look at what happened to Obi-Wan :oldrazz:

Hey ! Don't make fun of SIR Alec Guinness or I'm gonna get Death Star on your ass :)

[Bim]

Hey ! Don't make fun of SIR Alec Guinness or I'm gonna get Death Star on your ass :)
How dare you, i love Obi-Wan! :argh: it`s just that going from Ewan`s age to Sir Alec`s in the Star Wars timeline doesnt exactly add up mathematically :cwink:

[Rain Dog]

Hi,

I agree. IMO, the animated film was bad next to the TV show.

The Hutt ( Jabba cousin if I recall ) is utterly bad in the movie


Ziro the Hutt is coming back for season 3 I believe. Not my favorite character but I always thought a flamboyant Hutt was pretty funny.

[roach]

How dare you, i love Obi-Wan! :argh: it`s just that going from Ewan`s age to Sir Alec`s in the Star Wars timeline doesnt exactly add up mathematically :cwink:

it does match
Obi Wan was born 57 years before the Battle of Yavin...he died at the age of 57
Episode 1 took place 32 years before the Battle of Yavin...doing the math he was 25 years old
Episode 2 took place 22 years before the Battle of Yavin or 10 years later which would make him 35 years old
Episode 3 takes place 3 years later making Obi Wan 38 years by the time he goes on sabbatical on Tattoine.......he appears 19 years later...which is the age Luke was in ANH

[MOVIELORD101]

Hi,

I agree. IMO, the animated film was bad next to the TV show.

The Hutt ( Jabba cousin if I recall ) is utterly bad in the movie

No need for a spoiler tag, dude. Btw, it was his son in the movie, but who cares?

[roach]

Had they made the movie about Rookies or Ambush it would have been more accepted

[Rain Dog]

No need for a spoiler tag, dude. Btw, it was his son in the movie, but who cares?

Jabba's uncle Ziro was in it too, that's who he was talking about, I think.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Jabba's uncle Ziro was in it too, that's who he was talking about, I think.

Hi,

Yes, I was talking about Ziro, the purple effeminated ( like a bad Roman Emperor ) Hutt, way to go to "lamerize" the Hutts.

PS : I have nothing against effeminated character but not a Hutt :)

[Kurosawa]

actually going by Lucasfilm Wedge was 21...he was born 21BBY(before the battle of yavin)
http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/13

Yeah, my mistake. Not sure where I got that from, although there's all kinds of conflicting EU stuff. The guy who played him in the briefing scene looks a lot younger than Denis Lawson. The whole fake Wedge thing is really weird anyway.

[roach]

Yeah, my mistake. Not sure where I got that from, although there's all kinds of conflicting EU stuff. The guy who played him in the briefing scene looks a lot younger than Denis Lawson. The whole fake Wedge thing is really weird anyway.

i didnt know about the fake Wedge until recently

[Kurosawa]

i didnt know about the fake Wedge until recently

Yea. "Fake Wedge" :

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060313185406/starwars/images/e/ed/Johnd.jpg

Real Wedge:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091013004203/starwars/images/thumb/d/d9/Wedge-helmetless.jpg/250px-Wedge-helmetless.jpg

Oh and I got the 16 age from the shooting script. I knew I had seen that somewhere. Well, regardless Lawson was 28 when the original was shot.

[roach]

its wierd how many times I've seen Star Wars and never caught that

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Yea. "Fake Wedge" :

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060313185406/starwars/images/e/ed/Johnd.jpg

Real Wedge:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091013004203/starwars/images/thumb/d/d9/Wedge-helmetless.jpg/250px-Wedge-helmetless.jpg

Oh and I got the 16 age from the shooting script. I knew I had seen that somewhere. Well, regardless Lawson was 28 when the original was shot.

i always thought the fake Wedge was actually another character

intersting...

what's the reason why the fake Wedge was replaced?

[DCW]

i always thought the fake Wedge was actually another character

Me too, this is news to me...

[Rain Dog]

Hi,

Yes, I was talking about Ziro, the purple effeminated ( like a bad Roman Emperor ) Hutt, way to go to "lamerize" the Hutts.

PS : I have nothing against effeminated character but not a Hutt :)

His effeminate Truman Capote voice was actually Lucas's idea, he was originally supposed to have a deep voice like Jabba lol.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

How dare you, i love Obi-Wan! :argh: it`s just that going from Ewan`s age to Sir Alec`s in the Star Wars timeline doesnt exactly add up mathematically :cwink:

I always thought Obi was around 40 in ROTS, making him 60 in ANH, crediting the harsh desert for 'aging' him a bit.

[roach]

i always thought the fake Wedge was actually another character

intersting...

what's the reason why the fake Wedge was replaced?

he wasnt available on the day of the shoot so they got the fake wedge to shoot the scene at the briefing

[Doctor Jones]

I always thought that Fake Wedge was a completely different character. Now that I think about it, the guy never showed up in the battle of Yavin.

But Porkins. Man, we hardly knew thee.

[roach]

i didnt realize that out of all the pilots only three made it out of the Battle of Yavin...Luke, Wedge and whoever was flying the one Y-wing...and Han

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Wedge is the only guy to survive both attacks on the two Death Stars.

[ALP]

OMG, I just realized I have not seen the Clone Wars movie...

[GoblinWhirlwind]

You're not missing anything.

[DCnightwing23]

So did Lucas talk about the live action series at all? Or is that just scrapped? I havent heard anything whether its been stopped or its still in the process

[Rain Dog]

He never mentioned at Celebration V.

[roach]

I think any talk of a live action series will be after the Star Wars comedy series with Seth Green is started

[Bim]

Interesting about the "fake" Wedge, i just always assumed that was another pilot.:huh:

So did Lucas talk about the live action series at all? Or is that just scrapped? I havent heard anything whether its been stopped or its still in the process
Last i heard it was put on hold cause they cant make the show they want to make on a tv show's budget, or something along those lines.

[Kurosawa]

i always thought the fake Wedge was actually another character

intersting...

what's the reason why the fake Wedge was replaced?

The first actor screwed up his lines apparently. The exchange was supposed to more or less go like this: (from revised 4th draft)

WEDGE
A two meter target at maximum speed with a torpedo yet! That’s impossible even for the computer.
LUKE
But it’s not impossible. I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my T-16 back home. They are not much bigger than two meters.

WEDGE
With all that firepower directed at us, this will take a little more than a barnyard marksmanship, believe me.

He (Colin Higgins) was fired after that scene and replaced with Denis Lawson. All of the Wedge lines were dubbed over by American actor David Ankrum. Lawson used his own voice in ESB and ROTJ. He was the second choice. According to Higgins, he had never worked on an American film set before and was used to TV, and he couldn't remember his lines.

[Doctor Jones]

So Lawson was dubbed in the first film?

I remember Dennis Lawson is Ewan McGregor's uncle.

[Kurosawa]

So Lawson was dubbed in the first film?

I remember Dennis Lawson is Ewan McGregor's uncle.

Yeah, all of Wedge's lines were dubbed so it would be one consistent voice, and I guess they figured you wouldn't really notice it was two different actors because he had the helmet on during the Battle of Yavin.

[BigSams50]

So did Lucas talk about the live action series at all? Or is that just scrapped? I havent heard anything whether its been stopped or its still in the process

One could only hope it hasnt been cancelled

[CGHulk]

So did Lucas talk about the live action series at all? Or is that just scrapped? I havent heard anything whether its been stopped or its still in the process
http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/TESB_30th_Anniversary_Screening_131186.asp

May 10, 2010

Question: How are things going with the live action TV show?
Answer: The live action TV show is kind of on hold because we have scripts, but we don't know how to do 'em. Because, they literally are Star Wars, only we're going to have to try to do them...a tenth the cost. And, it's a huge challenge...lot bigger than what we thought it was gonna be.

[Bim]

There we go, thanks for finding that link CGHulk, i knew i had read something like that somewhere :woot:

[CGHulk]

There we go, thanks for finding that link CGHulk, i knew i had read something like that somewhere :woot:
I actually posted it nine days ago!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=18750116&postcount=394

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey hey. Just wanted to drop by and say that lol. I know that season 3 of the Clone Wars series is premiering soon but when is that??

[CGHulk]

It premieres Friday, September 17th at 9 pm
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/

[Bim]

I`m very excited for season 3, i gotta say :awesome:

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, all of Wedge's lines were dubbed so it would be one consistent voice, and I guess they figured you wouldn't really notice it was two different actors because he had the helmet on during the Battle of Yavin.

Well that failed because we didn't even know Wedge was a different guy. :funny:

[ross2287]

I always thought something was different about Wedge between ANH and TESB and ROTJ.

[Golgo-13]

That is why she shouldn't be there. Her existence doesn't make much sense or riveting television.

To be honest, she's the reason i can't really get into the Clone Wars cg series. I saw a few eps with her, and couldn't stomach her '90210/MTV' personality.:o

[Doctor Jones]

There's episodes without her. And you're really missing out.

[Spider-Vader]

Any episode centered around the clones is usually great. The Zilo Monster episodes are pretty damn good too.

[DarthSkywalker]

My top Ten-

1. The Mandalore Trilogy
2. Trespass
3. Ambush
4. Lair of Grievous
5. Lightsaber Lost
6. The Gungan General
7. Rookies
8. Cargo of Doom
9. Defenders of Peace
10. The Deserter

I still haven't seen every episode. Missed about 3 in the middle of Season 2 and the last few of Season 1.

[JTStarkiller]

Big hell yes to Trespass.

[Hellion]

My top Ten-

1. The Mandalore Trilogy
2. Trespass
3. Ambush
4. Lair of Grievous
5. Lightsaber Lost
6. The Gungan General
7. Rookies
8. Cargo of Doom
9. Defenders of Peace
10. The Deserter

I still haven't seen every episode. Missed about 3 in the middle of Season 2 and the last few of Season 1.

Rookies is my personal favorite

[DarknessOfDeath]

I like most of the episodes. Its hard to say which ones are my fave cause there are a lot of em and its been a while since I've seen the first two seasons. lol I can't remember what happened near the end of season 2... I forget. Other than that, I look forward to season 3.

[roach]

To be honest, she's the reason i can't really get into the Clone Wars cg series. I saw a few eps with her, and couldn't stomach her '90210/MTV' personality.:o

they've toned her down alot...shes growing on me

[Doctor Jones]

Rookies and the season 1 finale with Bane are my favorites. Loved it. I forgot the name of the episodes, but I loved the one where they went to the snow planet to negotiate with the Senator there or something. Bim knows this I think.

I loved the Mandalore trilogy as well.

[roach]

i just finished the mandalore trilogy and lost lightsaber episodes

[DarknessOfDeath]

Rookies and the season 1 finale with Bane are my favorites. Loved it. I forgot the name of the episodes, but I loved the one where they went to the snow planet to negotiate with the Senator there or something. Bim knows this I think.

I loved the Mandalore trilogy as well.


Me too. Anything with Mandalorians I take.

[roach]

To be honest and not counting the movie I dont think there is an episode I didnt like

[JTStarkiller]

Rookies and the season 1 finale with Bane are my favorites. Loved it. I forgot the name of the episodes, but I loved the one where they went to the snow planet to negotiate with the Senator there or something. Bim knows this I think.

That was Trespass.

[Bim]

I forgot the name of the episodes, but I loved the one where they went to the snow planet to negotiate with the Senator there or something. Bim knows this I think.
JT said it. Indeed, that was Trespass. How could i forget that one, i loved it! :woot: indeed, there`s just too many awesome episodes to name all once u start to think about them. Rookies was also pretty awesome imo. Oh! and how the heck could i forget Innocents of Ryloth! :doh: pure awesomeness :awesome:

[Spider-Vader]

Didn't really like the Mandalore episodes since they retconned alot of stuff from Republic Commando. My favorite SW book series.

[Bim]

Didn't really like the Mandalore episodes since they retconned alot of stuff from Republic Commando. My favorite SW book series.
That`s when not having read much about them comes in handy: i had absolutely no clue and didnt know what to expect so i was cool with what i saw. I know others also had issues with it though.

[DarthSkywalker]

Didn't really like the Mandalore episodes since they retconned alot of stuff from Republic Commando. My favorite SW book series.

They retcon everything sadly. Next season looks like it is going to be the biggest offender so far.

[Drizzle]

Okay, enough talk about the mediocre cartoon, check out this nugget I found today:

MsSIpDK16c4

[DarknessOfDeath]

Oooh nice. lols.

[Obi-Ron]

Is it canon?

[roach]

Okay, enough talk about the mediocre cartoon, check out this nugget I found today:

MsSIpDK16c4

its not mediocre...
....nothing in the books is cannon.

[david icke]

That drink driving ad is awesome, just when you think you have heard of every bit of SW footage...nice find.

[DarthSkywalker]

Okay, enough talk about the mediocre cartoon, check out this nugget I found today:

MsSIpDK16c4

The cartoon is better then AOTC or ROTS. :woot:

[Bim]

A heads up for those who live near Modesto, California: http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Empire_Screening_In_Modesto_CA_133479.asp

Empire Screening In Modesto, CA
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Posted By Mike on August 25, 2010

Our friend Patty was nice enough to write in for the benefit of fellow Star Wars fans living in the Modesto, California area. The State Theater will be hosting a screening of The Empire Strikes Back on Saturday, August 28th at 3:00 PM.

From http://www.thestate.org/calendar/event/210/view:

"This special, one-time screening of an archival 35mm print is courtesy of Lucas Films. Few theaters get to screen this print so this is a rare privilege for Star Wars fans. The stormtroopers -- the elite shock troopers of the Galactic Empire who served as ever present reminders of the Emperor's power, extensions of his will, and a method of keeping the Empire's thousands of star systems in line through fear -- will be here, along with the imposing Darth Vader.

Admission is $8"

[roach]

That drink driving ad is awesome, just when you think you have heard of every bit of SW footage...nice find.

reminds me of the anti smoking ads with C3PO and R2D2

[roach]

The cartoon is better then AOTC or ROTS. :woot:

Paul Dini the guy behind Tiny Toon Adventures, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond...contributed to Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, Freakazoid and Animaniacs....and wrote the Games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.....wrote a few episodes of Clone Wars

[Crockett]

So far I'm in the first season now but I like the episode "Cloak of Darkness", one of the episodes Dini wrote.

[roach]

im on episode 15 of season 2...trying to get caught up before season 3

[Bim]

im on episode 15 of season 2...trying to get caught up before season 3
Not long to go, ur almost all caught up :yay:

[Crockett]

One of the downside are with this half-hour shows, is that there's so many episodes lol. Or maybe I'm just used how HBO and AMC shows are, with a few episodes to make up for a season.

[Rain Dog]

Paul Dini the guy behind Tiny Toon Adventures, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond...contributed to Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, Freakazoid and Animaniacs....and wrote the Games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.....wrote a few episodes of Clone Wars

Man, Dini has my dream job.

[roach]

aint that the truth

[Drizzle]

The cartoon is better then AOTC or ROTS. :woot:
Better than AOTC maybe, but it is nowhere near ROTS. In my opinion, the 2D animated "The Clone Wars" from before ROTS was much better. I just don't see the need for Anakin to have a padawan, an annoying one at that. But then again I'm one of those people who just follows the canon of the movies anyway. For example, I believe that Boba Fett actually met his death at the hands of a blind man with a stick and he never escaped the sarlaac pit.

[roach]

Better than AOTC maybe, but it is nowhere near ROTS. In my opinion, the 2D animated "The Clone Wars" from before ROTS was much better. I just don't see the need for Anakin to have a padawan, an annoying one at that. But then again I'm one of those people who just follows the canon of the movies anyway. For example, I believe that Boba Fett actually met his death at the hands of a blind man with a stick and he never escaped the sarlaac pit.

i thought she was annoying in the movie but she has grown and progressed to a point that I find myself liking her. The episode where she lost her lightsaber is one of my faves.
and considering that George Lucas is an active participant in this im taking the series to be as canon as the movies.

[AntMan]

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/15087-swchr

[roach]

Bounty Hunters was awesome...nice nod to 7 Samurai

and the Zillo Beast is a nice homage to Godzilla

[CGHulk]

Star Wars Art: Visions
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Art-J-W-Rinzler/dp/0810995891/ref=sr_1_22?s=STORE&ie=UTF8&qid=1282716295&sr=1-22

[Kurosawa]

Better than AOTC maybe, but it is nowhere near ROTS. In my opinion, the 2D animated "The Clone Wars" from before ROTS was much better. I just don't see the need for Anakin to have a padawan, an annoying one at that. But then again I'm one of those people who just follows the canon of the movies anyway. For example, I believe that Boba Fett actually met his death at the hands of a blind man with a stick and he never escaped the sarlaac pit.

It is better than AOTC, which is a shame because with a good reedit AOTC could be drastically improved. Ben Burtt butchered that movie and GL let him.

i thought she was annoying in the movie but she has grown and progressed to a point that I find myself liking her. The episode where she lost her lightsaber is one of my faves.
and considering that George Lucas is an active participant in this im taking the series to be as canon as the movies.

It's considered "T-Canon", one step below the movies but I think GL working so closely on it makes it closer to "G-Canon". The episodes he personally plots out definitely are. The episode where she loses her lightsaber is awesome; it's GL's version of Kurosawa's Stray Dog...f'n awesome.

[Crockett]

I haven't seen that many Kurosawa's movies, only Seven Samurai but I know that his movie are one of the inspirations to the Star Wars movies.

[DarthSkywalker]

Better than AOTC maybe, but it is nowhere near ROTS. In my opinion, the 2D animated "The Clone Wars" from before ROTS was much better. I just don't see the need for Anakin to have a padawan, an annoying one at that. But then again I'm one of those people who just follows the canon of the movies anyway. For example, I believe that Boba Fett actually met his death at the hands of a blind man with a stick and he never escaped the sarlaac pit.

Tartakovsky's Clone Wars is the best Star Wars this side of The Empire Strikes Back, so I definitely agree it is the best television show.

However I'll still take the current Clone Wars over ROTS. I to dislike Ashoka and find her existence unnecessary. Outside of her and Padme however, the characterizations on the show make it far more watchable then ROTS. There is some evidence to Anakin being a fine Jedi Knight as well as a pilot. The cunning Obi-Wan and badass Mace exist. Yoda actually has a bit of his OT to him. Jar Jar is... funny.

I think above all though the show dives into the thing the prequels always promised. A bit of the Jedi in their prime, a war and a galaxy worth exploring.

As to the canon, this show is Lucas's baby, so it is as canon as the films if you believe in that sort of thing.

Bounty Hunters was awesome...nice nod to 7 Samurai

and the Zillo Beast is a nice homage to Godzilla

Bounty Hunters is terrible imo. A terrible nod to one of my favorite films. I was so excited for the episode only to find it to be offensive and boring.

[roach]

It is better than AOTC, which is a shame because with a good reedit AOTC could be drastically improved. Ben Burtt butchered that movie and GL let him.



It's considered "T-Canon", one step below the movies but I think GL working so closely on it makes it closer to "G-Canon". The episodes he personally plots out definitely are. The episode where she loses her lightsaber is awesome; it's GL's version of Kurosawa's Stray Dog...f'n awesome.

from the way Filoni described it GL plans out the seasons, what characters to use and lets the write it.

[roach]

Bounty Hunters is terrible imo. A terrible nod to one of my favorite films. I was so excited for the episode only to find it to be offensive and boring.

what made it horrible for you

[roach]

I haven't seen that many Kurosawa's movies, only Seven Samurai but I know that his movie are one of the inspirations to the Star Wars movies.

Star Wars is loosely based on Hidden Fortress

[DarthSkywalker]

what made it horrible for you

The portrayal of the villages for one. I haven't seen it since it aired, but I remember shaking my head. I also remember think that their attempt to condense such a story into one episode was a bit idiotic. Would of worked better if they made it two episodes and gave the characters a bit of... character.

[OptimusPrime114]

Ok.

I am tired of hearing about how the everybody hates the prequels.

I feel like I am the only one who enjoys the prequels, despite its flaws.

Is this true? I am I the only one?

[DarthSkywalker]

Ok.

I am tired of hearing about how the everybody hates the prequels.

I feel like I am the only one who enjoys the prequels, despite its flaws.

Is this true? I am I the only one?

Plenty of people like the prequels, don't think that makes them all that good however. The only one I can personally watch from start to finish is TPM.

[roach]

Ok.

I am tired of hearing about how the everybody hates the prequels.

I feel like I am the only one who enjoys the prequels, despite its flaws.

Is this true? I am I the only one?

It is my theory that no matter what Lucas would have put up on the screen people would have hated it.
1) People have dreamed about what happened before ANH since 77 and imagination always beats what the final product is. Some people also had preconcieved ideas about what should happen and when the Prequels didnt follow what they thought should have happened they got upset. An example of this is the hate leveled at Ahsoka.
2)We also hold the Original Trilogy up on a pedistal of film making that we dont recognize the same flaws that people hate the prequels for are there in the OT.

[DarthSkywalker]

It is my theory that no matter what Lucas would have put up on the screen people would have hated it.
1) People have dreamed about what happened before ANH since 77 and imagination always beats what the final product is. Some people also had preconcieved ideas about what should happen and when the Prequels didnt follow what they thought should have happened they got upset. An example of this is the hate leveled at Ahsoka.
2)We also hold the Original Trilogy up on a pedistal of film making that we dont recognize the same flaws that people hate the prequels for are there in the OT.

I never agree with this. LOTRs is always the example I use when I hear this argument. You had plenty of fans who complained about the films, but the vast majority of the fans on general public were very positive about the films because they were made so well.

If Lucas had released well written, directed and acted films, they wouldn't have received the general, critical backlash they did. It isn't the story that most complain about, it is how it is told.

Watching Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, how do they have the same flaws as the prequels? The acting, writing and directing are leaps and bounds ahead.

[roach]

The portrayal of the villages for one. I haven't seen it since it aired, but I remember shaking my head. I also remember think that their attempt to condense such a story into one episode was a bit idiotic. Would of worked better if they made it two episodes and gave the characters a bit of... character.

Having just watched the episode I didnt see anything wrong with the portrayal of the villagers...they are being harassed by pirates they hire bounty hunters to fight the pirates

[DarthSkywalker]

Having just watched the episode I didnt see anything wrong with the portrayal of the villagers...they are being harassed by pirates they hire bounty hunters to fight the pirates

Seriously, did you hear their voices?

[Doctor Jones]

Plenty of people like the prequels, don't think that makes them all that good however. The only one I can personally watch from start to finish is TPM.

This is strange logic. So you can watch more Jar Jar basically. :huh:

[Crockett]

Star Wars is loosely based on Hidden Fortress

Cool, probably going to watch that one soon, that and Yojimbo which was later remade into A Fistful of Dollars. I don't hate PT that much that I dread it, but it would be nice if the first two is in the same level as ROTS.

[roach]

I never agree with this. LOTRs is always the example I use when I hear this argument. You had plenty of fans who complained about the films, but the vast majority of the fans on general public were very positive about the films.

If Lucas had released well written, directed and acted films, they wouldn't have received the general, critical backlash they did. It isn't the story that most complain about, it is how it is told.

Watching Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, how do they have the same flaws as the prequels? The acting, writing and directing are leaps and bounds ahead.

A film adaptation of a book is vastly different than a story based off of one man's ideas. In the LOTR movies everything is already known. No one is gonna throw a fit because when the Hobbit comes out if differs from how they thought Bilbo was gonna get the ring.

[roach]

Seriously, did you hear their voices?

sounded like they were based on asian voices...but pretty much everything in the ep. had a Japanese flair to it right down to the Bounty Hunters

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Star Wars Art: Visions
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Art-J-W-Rinzler/dp/0810995891/ref=sr_1_22?s=STORE&ie=UTF8&qid=1282716295&sr=1-22

I can't wait for this. I just ordered Year-By-Year and Sculpting a Galaxy too.

[roach]

This is strange logic. So you can watch more Jar Jar basically. :huh:

hey we all like what we like:woot:

[Doctor Jones]

Well, that's cool... I guess.

[DarthSkywalker]

This is strange logic. So you can watch more Jar Jar basically. :huh:

Jar Jar is not nearly as annoying as many make him out to be. The only time he gets on my nerves is during the final battle, where he is somehow able to survive through sheer stupidity. He is not a serious character and thus cannot be judged in the same way Anakin or Padme are, who are just atrocious in AOTC and ROTS.

TPM is the one film that doesn't just die in the middle or has big moments ruined by bad acting or dialogue. It gave us Qui-Gon and Darth Maul.

"They are still coming through." Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's negotiations actually show Jedi being Jedi. :awesome:

Maul and Sidious aren't channeling Dracula or the Wicked Witch of the West and are thus intimidating.

The podracer has it annoying moments, but overall works quite well.

The Duel of the Fates. :wow:

Even Anakin's story is somewhat well written, even if lacking in the acting from Lloyd. Better then both being crap in the following two films.

[Golgo-13]

Better than AOTC maybe, but it is nowhere near ROTS. In my opinion, the 2D animated "The Clone Wars" from before ROTS was much better. I just don't see the need for Anakin to have a padawan, an annoying one at that. But then again I'm one of those people who just follows the canon of the movies anyway. For example, I believe that Boba Fett actually met his death at the hands of a blind man with a stick and he never escaped the sarlaac pit.

Yes, the 2D SW Clone Wars cartoon, as simple as it's animation style is, is still a fav of mine.

[DarthSkywalker]

sounded like they were based on asian voices...but pretty much everything in the ep. had a Japanese flair to it right down to the Bounty Hunters

No they are based on how Americans thought those from the Far East spoke, circa Hollywood 1940.

[roach]

No they are based on how Americans thought those from the Far East spoke, circa Hollywood 1940.

i didnt get that vibe from it...i think you maybe reading into it

[DarthSkywalker]

i didnt get that vibe from it...i think you maybe reading into it

Didn't take much reading. I was the first thing I noticed.

[Bim]

CGHulk: thanks for the heads up, i actually hadnt seen that book at all *runs to pre-order*

Ok.

I am tired of hearing about how the everybody hates the prequels.

I feel like I am the only one who enjoys the prequels, despite its flaws.

Is this true? I am I the only one?
Nah ur not alone. The haters are very vocal though :funny:. If you like them good for u, dont let what others think bug u, to each their own.

[roach]

Didn't take much reading. I was the first thing I noticed.

Far east talk circa 1940's hollywood would have him rolling his"r"s

The voice actor who voiced the chief was the guy who replaced Mako Iwamatsu as Iroh on Avatar:Last Airbender (the cartoon). He sounds like him and for a second I though thats who was voicing the chief until I remembered he had died.

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe that is it. Not a fan of fake Iroh.

[Kurosawa]

Ok.

I am tired of hearing about how the everybody hates the prequels.

I feel like I am the only one who enjoys the prequels, despite its flaws.

Is this true? I am I the only one?

I like TPM, like parts of AOTC (Obi-Wan's story particularly) and love ROTS.

It is my theory that no matter what Lucas would have put up on the screen people would have hated it.
1) People have dreamed about what happened before ANH since 77 and imagination always beats what the final product is. Some people also had preconcieved ideas about what should happen and when the Prequels didnt follow what they thought should have happened they got upset. An example of this is the hate leveled at Ahsoka.
2)We also hold the Original Trilogy up on a pedistal of film making that we dont recognize the same flaws that people hate the prequels for are there in the OT.

100% correct. We all had our own ideas of the prequels and they are next to nothing like what any of us could have imagined. I always hoped they would be similar to look and tone to Boorman's Excalibur. But I understood whatever GL did would be drastically different from whatever we anticipated.

No they are based on how Americans thought those from the Far East spoke, circa Hollywood 1940.

If anything they are based on the voices of asians from 1940's serials, like many other things in SW are. If they are based on the voices of asians at all and it's not just a super PC overreaction.

[DarthSkywalker]

100% correct. We all had our own ideas of the prequels and they are next to nothing like what any of us could have imagined. I always hoped they would be similar to look and tone to Boorman's Excalibur.

What does this have to do with them being badly written, directed and acted?

If anything they are based on the voices of asians from 1940's serials, like many other things in SW are. If they are based on the voices of asians at all and it's not just a super PC overreaction.

The 1940s Hollywood version of anyone from Asia was incredibly racist. So really not helping your cause.

I usually don't care, but it was so glaring imo. The voice, mixed with their characterization just sent it over the top. It was like the Scottish lemurs, with the added value of being portrayed as bit more slow and helpless.

I haven't seen it in a while, and maybe I was just overreacting. I'll have to wait for the DVD to decide.

[roach]

i had just seen it today and went back and watched it again after you said something and didnt hear anything offensive....it wasnt like the Nemoidians in TPM

[CGHulk]

Silent Star Wars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOjzLggAKis&feature=youtu.be

[OptimusPrime114]

STAR WARS: THE THRAWN SAGA

(This is a recast, but it is NOT a reboot! Also, the actors who portrayed C-3PO, R2-D2 and Chewbacca remain the same.)

LUKE SKYWALKER - RUPERT EVANS
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1345/576907075_81e5051e1a_o.jpg

LEIA ORGANA-SOLO - ANNE HATHAWAY
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00110/hathaway3_getty_110292t.jpg

HAN SOLO = CHRISTIAN BALE
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Christian_Bale-10-The_Dark_Knight.jpg

LANDO CALRISSIAN = BLAIR UNDERWOOD
http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,blair.jpg

TALON KARRDE = IAN MCSHANE
http://www.bigchicosmovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ian_mcshane.jpg

MARA JADE - RACHEL NICHOLS
http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/rachel_nichols/fotos/9856/rachel_nichols.jpg

GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN - CALLUM BLUE
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/06/Callum_Blue-thumb-550x282-19798.jpg

JORRUS C'BOATH - MAX VON SYDOW
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Rush_Hour_3-10-Max_Von_Sydow.jpg

GILAD PALLEAON = WILLIAM HURT
http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Hurt.jpg

[Bim]

When people say recast regarding Star Wars my heart breaks a little. I hope they dont do that in my lifetime :csad:

Anyways, how many of u have seen a Force kick?
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/force-kick.gif

:funny:

[roach]

well to be fair that was before the days of fight choreography...if this movie was made today hundreds would hate the movie for that right there

[roach]

STAR WARS: THE THRAWN SAGA

(This is a recast, but it is NOT a reboot! Also, the actors who portrayed C-3PO, R2-D2 and Chewbacca remain the same.)

LUKE SKYWALKER - RUPERT EVANS
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1345/576907075_81e5051e1a_o.jpg

LEIA ORGANA-SOLO - ANNE HATHAWAY
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00110/hathaway3_getty_110292t.jpg

HAN SOLO = CHRISTIAN BALE
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Christian_Bale-10-The_Dark_Knight.jpg

LANDO CALRISSIAN = BLAIR UNDERWOOD
http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,blair.jpg

TALON KARRDE = IAN MCSHANE
http://www.bigchicosmovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ian_mcshane.jpg

MARA JADE - RACHEL NICHOLS
http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/rachel_nichols/fotos/9856/rachel_nichols.jpg

GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN - CALLUM BLUE
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/06/Callum_Blue-thumb-550x282-19798.jpg

JORRUS C'BOATH - MAX VON SYDOW
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Rush_Hour_3-10-Max_Von_Sydow.jpg

GILAD PALLEAON = WILLIAM HURT
http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Hurt.jpg

isnt the Thrawn saga after ROTJ...so why not keep the same cast since they are supposed to be old...why cast younger actors(though i am of the mind that no one can be Luke, Han or Leia other than Mark, Harrison and Carrie)

[BigSams50]

When people say recast regarding Star Wars my heart breaks a little. I hope they dont do that in my lifetime :csad:

Anyways, how many of u have seen a Force kick?
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/force-kick.gif

:funny:

:wow: After as many times as i've seen ROTJ, i never noticed how far away his foot was from connecting :doh:

[OptimusPrime114]

isnt the Thrawn saga after ROTJ...so why not keep the same cast since they are supposed to be old...why cast younger actors(though i am of the mind that no one can be Luke, Han or Leia other than Mark, Harrison and Carrie)

Because the Thrawn Saga is set five years after ROTJ, not 20 years.

And whay haven't I got any compliments on my recast? I know you think recasting the original SW characters, but if they did to Star Trek, who's to say it won't happen to Star Wars?

[roach]

Because the Thrawn Saga is set five years after ROTJ, not 20 years.

And whay haven't I got any compliments on my recast? I know you think recasting the original SW characters, but if they did to Star Trek, who's to say it won't happen to Star Wars?

because most Trekkers got over the original cast not being in a Star Trek show/movie since Next Generation/DS9/Voyager

No one else other than fan films or voice actors have played the main characters in Star Wars.

and Christian Bale would be a terrible Han Solo in my opinion

[Monsieur Xavier]

Because the Thrawn Saga is set five years after ROTJ, not 20 years.

And whay haven't I got any compliments on my recast? I know you think recasting the original SW characters, but if they did to Star Trek, who's to say it won't happen to Star Wars?

Hi,

only one small correction I would make, no Bale as Solo, he doesn't have the natural charm for him.
I suggest :
- Jake Gyllenhaal ( after seeing him in Prince of Persia )
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Cf/jake-gyllenhaal-1207-lg.jpg
- Jean Dujardin (French actor )
http://images.fan-de-cinema.com/articles/cash/jean-dujardin.jpg

[Doctor Jones]

Everyone else would be a terrible Han Solo other than Harrison Ford.

Now if they casted him in his teen years or something (which I would like to see in the tv series) it's an exception. But Ford's age Solo? Just like Jones, not a snowball's chance in hell.

Harrison ford has this special magical quality to him that no other leading man has. He has swagger, ruggedness, a grounding and honest way of acting, and his ability to make these larger than life characters real and not some impossible to reach character. We can't be James Bond, but we can be Indiana Jones and Han Solo.

[roach]

hmmmmm maybe Jake....and thats a hard maybe

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
Well, it is a theocasting :) None of the originals can be recasted, their roles are too iconic and attached to them, like Indiana Jones.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Double Post

[Doctor Jones]

Whoa, for a second there I thought you were referring to me and my post. :doh::funny:

[DCW]

Edit. Double post.

[DCW]

:wow: After as many times as i've seen ROTJ, i never noticed how far away his foot was from connecting :doh:

^ The kick never bothered me, I just wish the baseball bat lightsaber would somehow be changed. (When Luke "beats" people off the barge with his lightsaber.)

And I pray that Star Wars will never be recast, there are so many potential story's that could be told I think it would be rediculous to recast the OT actors.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Whoa, for a second there I thought you were referring to me and my post. :doh::funny:

Funny I was about to type "Doc Jones" instead of Indian Jones...

[roach]

I think we will see a rebooted Star Wars when Lucas dies and his company runs out of money...which should be a few years after never...hell I want Lucas to get off his butt and do 7, 8 and 9

[DCnightwing23]

Yeah i think a lot of people want 7,8,9! Lucas doesnt know what he wants to do anymore with star wars, i mean come on a comedy series with seth green? Dont get me wrong i love seth green but star wars comedy?

[roach]

Yeah i think a lot of people want 7,8,9! Lucas doesnt know what he wants to do anymore with star wars, i mean come on a comedy series with seth green? Dont get me wrong i love seth green but star wars comedy?

yeah when he joking mentioned how he wished he could make more at Cele V the crowd went wild. I think he has seen the potential in a Star Wars comedy in the Family Guy episodes and the Robot Chicken episodes.

[Bim]

I think we will see a rebooted Star Wars when Lucas dies and his company runs out of money...which should be a few years after never...hell I want Lucas to get off his butt and do 7, 8 and 9
I dunno, maybe the whining and **** from the PT taught him the lesson that he shouldnt go back to that story with those characters cause there`s no way in hell people are gonna be happy :lmao:

[Doctor Jones]

Funny I was about to type "Doc Jones" instead of Indian Jones...

No, I thought you somehow knew my real name when I first read your post.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

The Force Unleashed, live-action......anyone?...no? :yay:

[Yodaman]

The Force Unleashed, live-action......anyone?...no? :yay:

When the first game was about to come out, I seriously thought that the live action show was going to be a Starkiller series. They were making a big deal about Sam Witwer doing live action for the game's cutscenes and the game itself was such an event, I thought they would announce the live action show soon after the game came out.

When the game ended with Starkiller "dying," though... I knew I was wrong :o

[DarthSkywalker]

The Force Unleashed, live-action......anyone?...no? :yay:

Nah, the story/characters are terrible.

[Doctor Jones]

Christ man. Can you talk about something, you know, that you actually like and is positive about Star Wars? And do it without comparing it to the other films.

*waves both hands*

Go on... go on...

[Spider-Vader]

I think we will see a rebooted Star Wars when Lucas dies and his company runs out of money...which should be a few years after never...hell I want Lucas to get off his butt and do 7, 8 and 9

Like I've been saying. I have a strong suspicion the Mouse will want to buy everything Lucas after he dies. Lucas & Disney are pretty chummy, SW/Indy rides, shows, merchandise & themed weekends at the parks & probably the Disney Stores.

[roach]

I dont think Lucasfilm the company will sell to Disney....thats the family birthright. It would be like Disney selling to WB after Walt died. I think we'll see a major commercialization of the franchise after he is gone....amusement parks...cable channels

[bullets]

And whay haven't I got any compliments on my recast? I know you think recasting the original SW characters, but if they did to Star Trek, who's to say it won't happen to Star Wars?


I'd rather see a diiferent set of characters within the same universe or a 70 year old Hamill in the mentor role than a recasting . Your casting choices aren't bad but Christian Bale doesn't fit as Han Solo .

[roach]

I'd rather see a diiferent set of characters within the same universe or a 70 year old Hamill in the mentor role than a recasting .


exactly
New Jedi Order would be awesome

[Kurosawa]

I think we will see a rebooted Star Wars when Lucas dies and his company runs out of money...which should be a few years after never...hell I want Lucas to get off his butt and do 7, 8 and 9

Never say never. I think Ahsoka's final fate will answer the question about a 7-9. Lucas says one thing then does something totally out of left field all the time.

[DarthSkywalker]

Christ man. Can you talk about something, you know, that you actually like and is positive about Star Wars? And do it without comparing it to the other films.

*waves both hands*

Go on... go on...

I have talked about what I like. Perhaps don't skip those post.

But here is a list of good, recent Star Wars :awesome:

The Clone Wars TV Show (both versions)
KOTOR comic series
SW Legacy comic series
Dark Times comic series
Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
Survivor's Quest

The Force Unleashed game, comic and book are all terrible story wise. Starkiller, Kota and Juno are all bland, the story is unoriginal and does it best to contradict the films. :whatever:

I was shocked to hear people call the game/story, awesome. Then I realized that if you stamp Star Wars on a mediocre version of God of Wars, you will find plenty who think it is good, just because it is new Star Wars.

Never say never. I think Ahsoka's final fate will answer the question about a 7-9. Lucas says one thing then does something totally out of left field all the time.

What in the world does Ahsoka have to do with 7-9?

[roach]

I love when people do that. A new story comes along and it doesnt fit in with what they think they know of the story and they claim its a contradiction...

[Doctor Jones]

I have talked about what I like. Perhaps don't skip those post.

But here is a list of good, recent Star Wars :awesome:

The Clone Wars TV Show (both versions)
KOTOR comic series
SW Legacy comic series
Dark Times comic series
Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
Survivor's Quest

The Force Unleashed game, comic and book are all terrible story wise. Starkiller, Kota and Juno are all bland, the story is unoriginal and does it best to contradict the films. :whatever:

I was shocked to hear people call the game/story, awesome. Then I realized that if you stamp Star Wars on a mediocre version of God of Wars, you will find plenty who think it is good, just because it is new Star Wars.



What in the world does Ahsoka have to do with 7-9?

Yeah... you talked about something negative about Star Wars again. Which you do in every single post here. How about something completely positive for once. :huh:

[DarthSkywalker]

I love when people do that. A new story comes along and it doesnt fit in with what they think they know of the story and they claim its a contradiction...

Oh no, it contradicts. The Alliance Starbird is obvious a modified version of the Jedi crest (Similar to how the Empire adapted the the Republic's symbol), and yet they have the origin in the game. Suddenly everyone not only knows the Death Star exist, they have been on it. Vader already tried to the use the apprentice to replace the Emperor game, before Luke. And yet, the Emperor still lets Vader look for his son and attempt to turn him. Brilliant.

You would think something important like apprentices of main character would come up and yet Anakin/Vader have two that are never mentioned. They exist in an EU vacuum. Not a fan of that.

Yeah... you talked about something negative about Star Wars again. Which you do in every single post here. How about something completely positive for once. :huh:

One, you are exaggerating. Secondly as long as I am civil, why must I change my view on material that I find objective and subjective flaws in to suit your sensibilities?

[roach]

Oh no, it contradicts. The Alliance Starbird is obvious a modified version of the Jedi crest (Similar to how the Empire adapted the the Republic's symbol), and yet they have the origin in the game. Suddenly everyone not only knows the Death Star exist, they have been on it. Vader already tried to the use the apprentice to replace the Emperor game, before Luke. And yet, the Emperor still lets Vader look for his son and attempt to turn him. Brilliant.

where is it shown or mentioned that the bird crest is the Jedi crest???
I would also imagine that Imperials would know about the Death Star. The Rebels would also know of it since they were stealing the plans for it.
The Sith Master/ apprentice dynamic is part of the saga. The Emperor figured they were either going to destroy Luke or Luke was going to kill Vader and take his place.

You would think something important like apprentices of main character would come up and yet Anakin/Vader have two that are never mentioned. They exist in an EU vacuum. Not a fan of that.

Why would they be mentioned? Do you think Sidious ever turned to Vader and said "What ever happened to Ahsoka??"




I think this is a case of preconcieved notions

[DarthSkywalker]

I think this is a case of preconcieved notions

Thanks for making your post unable to be quoted.

Have you seen the Jedi crest? IT is the Starbird Crest, without the bird. It is the exact same situation as the Empire adopting the Republic's symbol.

As for the Death Star, everything in Star Wars talks about this secret weapon, that the rebels know little to nothing about. Other then that it is a secret weapon. If they knew there was a weapon possible of destroying planets, you think they would of made the Alliance planets aware.

With the Luke/Starkiller parallel. It makes Sidious look a complete fool. He knew, by Lucas's own creation of the Rule of 2, that Vader was attempting to replace him with the existence of Starkiller. Why then would you give him the chance to do it again, with a stronger warrior in Luke, who is tied to Vader? Especially when ROTS show the Emperor knows what Padme meant to Anakin. What their children would mean to him? The second Vader reveals himself to be Luke's father, he isn't going to kill him. Made abundantly clear by their telepathic conversation. It turns the Emperor's arrogance into stupidity because it already happened once before.

Ahsoka. You would think, considering how big of apart of Anakin's life she is during the Clone Wars, at least a mention of her would be made in ROTS.

I am all for EU material. What I do not like is trying to shoehorn things into the mythos in an attempt to make it credible/relevant. Good writing doesn't require that. This is my major problem with a lot of the EU. It isn't enough to write a good story about these characters in this verse, it has to be some galaxy altering event attempting to tie the material to the films. This makes bad writing, worse. Even if something isn't explicitly stated in the films, contriving a way to connect the EU material to it almost always comes off as bad and lazy writing.

That is why I love KOTOR and Legacy. The writers were/are not only creative and skilled, they have separated themselves so far from the film timelines, they can tell these large and interesting stories, without even the temptation to being beholden to the films.

Perhaps I would enjoy it more if material like The Force Unleashed was well written. It isn't.

[Kurosawa]

What in the world does Ahsoka have to do with 7-9?

If she dies, nothing. If not, then you never know...she could be used as a crossover character from the CW series and those movies. But really, who knows?

But if she's like frozen in carbonite or something, then somebody's got to find her, right?

[roach]

Yes the crests are similar but they arent the same.

Go back and read the opening crawl of ANH....
"It is a period of civil war. Rebel Space ships striking from a hidden base have won their first victory against the Galactic Empire.
During the battle,rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empires ultimate weapon the Death Star an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

So what I have gleened from that opening crawl is that the Alliance attacked something...a base or a ship and using the attack as cover they nabbed the plans for the Death Star....so they knew it existed.

Going by what we are shown in the film the spies knew what they had and sent them to Leia. Leia even know what they were.

Cut to the scene in the Death Star chamber where the officers are talking about the Death Star....The Imperial Senate was dissolved and the Emperor plans on using the Death Star to keep the systems in check....obviously its not a secret.

Yes it is Lucas creation of the Rule of 2 and the backstabbing between Sith Master and apprentice...much like everything else in Star Wars. Sidious was overconfident. He destroyed the Jedi, turned Vader...he thought either they were gonna kill Luke or get a new apprentice. Hell the way he burns thru apprentices in the Prequels he was probably getting tired of Vader. Yoda and Obi Wan were counting on Luke being Vader's son to hamper him. The Emperor was trying to re up.

I am not going to pretend that GL had Ahsoka in mind during the making of the PT but again why would she come up on ROTS????? No one else came up. His mom didnt come up, Yoda didnt come up so why should Ahsoka???

[Kurosawa]

They did mention his mom in ROTS.

[roach]

They did mention his mom in ROTS.

when???

[Yodaman]

when???

Anakin says something like "I'm not going to loose you like I lost my mother" to Padme.

I agree with roach about Palpatine. He really didn't care who won the duel, Luke or Vader. If Vader won and Luke died, then Luke wasn't powerful enough to be Palpatine's puppet anyway. And if Luke won and killed Vader, then Palpatine has a more powerful Sith at his side. As long as the only Jedi in the galaxy is under his control, Palpatine will be happy, so it makes sense he'll allow Vader to toy with another Jedi or Sith for a while.

[DarkKnight88]

when???

Palpatine
"It is only natural. He cut off your arm, and you wanted revenge. It wasn't the first time, Anakin. Remember what you told me about your mother and the sand people."

Anakin
"I won't lose you the way I lost my mother. I am becoming more powerful than any Jedi has ever dreamed of, and I'm doing it for you. To protect you."

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes the crests are similar but they arent the same.

Go back and read the opening crawl of ANH....
"It is a period of civil war. Rebel Space ships striking from a hidden base have won their first victory against the Galactic Empire.
During the battle,rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empires ultimate weapon the Death Star an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

So what I have gleened from that opening crawl is that the Alliance attacked something...a base or a ship and using the attack as cover they nabbed the plans for the Death Star....so they knew it existed.

Going by what we are shown in the film the spies knew what they had and sent them to Leia. Leia even know what they were.

Cut to the scene in the Death Star chamber where the officers are talking about the Death Star....The Imperial Senate was dissolved and the Emperor plans on using the Death Star to keep the systems in check....obviously its not a secret.

If it is common knowledge how come Han, Luke, Chewie, the droids and Obi-Wan have no idea it is not a moon.

It isn't common knowledge, which is why they are going to use the Death Star to stamp their authority. If it was already working and well know, why would they need to stamp their authority on the galaxy with it?

In the Force Unleashed, they are using/testing the cannon.

Yes it is Lucas creation of the Rule of 2 and the backstabbing between Sith Master and apprentice...much like everything else in Star Wars. Sidious was overconfident. He destroyed the Jedi, turned Vader...he thought either they were gonna kill Luke or get a new apprentice. Hell the way he burns thru apprentices in the Prequels he was probably getting tired of Vader. Yoda and Obi Wan were counting on Luke being Vader's son to hamper him. The Emperor was trying to re up.

"You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"

Allowing Vader to be the one to recruit Luke is the one thing the Emperor would not do after the events of The Force Unleashed, or in fact Revenge of the Sith.

I am not going to pretend that GL had Ahsoka in mind during the making of the PT but again why would she come up on ROTS????? No one else came up. His mom didnt come up, Yoda didnt come up so why should Ahsoka???

But his mother was in the first two films and did come up in the third. If Ahsoka is as important to Anakin's development as they make her, you would think she would be acknowledged in the films. It is why her existences seems so tacked on.

Not even sure what you mean about Yoda.

[DarthSkywalker]

Anakin says something like "I'm not going to loose you like I lost my mother" to Padme.

I agree with roach about Palpatine. He really didn't care who won the duel, Luke or Vader. If Vader won and Luke died, then Luke wasn't powerful enough to be Palpatine's puppet anyway. And if Luke won and killed Vader, then Palpatine has a more powerful Sith at his side. As long as the only Jedi in the galaxy is under his control, Palpatine will be happy, so it makes sense he'll allow Vader to toy with another Jedi or Sith for a while.

I think you are missing my point. The possibility that is ignored is father and son teaming up. The thought that Anakin would go against him never seems to enter the Emperor's mind.

This seems extremely illogical for two reasons.

1. He did it before according to The Force Unleashed.

2. Revenge of the Sith shows that the Emperor understands Anakin's feelings for his wife and thus his kids.

[roach]

If it is common knowledge how come Han, Luke, Chewie, the droids and Obi-Wan have no idea it is not a moon.

so six people constituted common knowledge...considering two people were stuck on a farm on Tattooine...I dont think news travels as fast as it does on earth.

It isn't common knowledge, which is why they are going to use the Death Star to stamp their authority. If it was already working and well know, why would they need to stamp their authority on the galaxy with it?

There is difference between hearing about something and seeing it. The Death Star was known but it wasnt full operational until it destroyed Alderaan

In the Force Unleashed, they are using/testing the cannon.



"You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"

Allowing Vader to be the one to recruit Luke is the one thing the Emperor would not do after the events of The Force Unleashed, or in fact Revenge of the Sith.
Yes Sidious is all about his needs but he is also about promoting the Sith way also. If Sidious died he knew Vader would keep the Sith traditions going. Also when Vader lost his limbs it also significantly reduced his power in the force. Had he remained whole he would have been more powerful than Sidious and Yoda.
Based on your reasoning why would he take an apprentice if he as an apprentice killed his master...and who knows how many apprentices were before Darth Maul


But his mother was in the first two films and did come up in the third. If Ahsoka is as important to Anakin's development as they make her, you would think she would be acknowledged in the films. It is why her existences seems so tacked on.

Not even sure what you mean about Yoda.

Yet instead of trying to see what the pay off is or why she isnt mentioned you have already written her off. It would be the same as being mad because in ESB Vader told Luke he is his father but it wasnt mentioned or alluded to in ANH and not going to see ROTJ because of it.

[Yodaman]

I think you are missing my point. The possibility that is ignored is father and son teaming up. The thought that Anakin would go against him never seems to enter the Emperor's mind.

This seems extremely illogical for two reasons.

1. He did it before according to The Force Unleashed.

2. Revenge of the Sith shows that the Emperor understands Anakin's feelings for his wife and thus his kids.

1- As far as Palpatine knows, Starkiller is dead and Vader failed his plot. You know how confident Palpatine is, if he can show Vader his place one, he'll be able to do it again.

2- Palpatine thinks he purged all of the humanity from Anakin when he became Darth Vader, so he doubts this will ever be a problem. Even in the updated scene in ESB, he talks about "the son of Anakin Skywalker" to Vader and he doesn't see Vader react at all.

[roach]

I think you are missing my point. The possibility that is ignored is father and son teaming up. The thought that Anakin would go against him never seems to enter the Emperor's mind.

This seems extremely illogical for two reasons.

1. He did it before according to The Force Unleashed.

2. Revenge of the Sith shows that the Emperor understands Anakin's feelings for his wife and thus his kids.

That is the Sith way. It never entered into Sidious mind that Vader would betray him. There are very few Jedi who went dark and came back to the light.Im currently reading thru Jedi vs Sith and essential guide to the force which tells the complete Jedi/Sith histories and melds everything that had a jedi or a sith in it....books, games, comics, TV and movies

Sidious killed his master and probably tried on more than one occassion before that, Maul probably tried to kill him in stories not told yet. Dooku trained Ventress against Sidious wishes and probably was setting her up as his apprentice when he took down Sidious

[roach]

1- As far as Palpatine knows, Starkiller is dead and Vader failed his plot. You know how confident Palpatine is, if he can show Vader his place one, he'll be able to do it again.

2- Palpatine thinks he purged all of the humanity from Anakin when he became Darth Vader, so he doubts this will ever be a problem. Even in the updated scene in ESB, he talks about "the son of Anakin Skywalker" to Vader and he doesn't see Vader react at all.

exactly....just as Yoda said once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate you

[DarthSkywalker]

Yet instead of trying to see what the pay off is or why she isnt mentioned you have already written her off. It would be the same as being mad because in ESB Vader told Luke he is his father but it wasnt mentioned or alluded to in ANH and not going to see ROTJ because of it.

That is nothing like that at all, partly because we know how Anakin's story ends. We didn't know what was going to happen to Vader, Luke, the Empire or the Rebellion at the end of TESB.

Is Ahsoka somehow going to show up in ROTS, in a relevant way, in the near future? Well with Lucas I guess you can never know.

As to Luke not knowing about the Death Star, if it is common knowledge. The kid was all ready to to attend an academy and to join the Rebellion. You would think he would be keeping up with the latest news with his best buddy already having left and his constant trips to Tosche Station.

http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/the-power-converters.html

:awesome:

[DarthSkywalker]

1- As far as Palpatine knows, Starkiller is dead and Vader failed his plot. You know how confident Palpatine is, if he can show Vader his place one, he'll be able to do it again.

This goes against The Force Unleashed. The Emperor is very much aware of Starkiller. This is the guy who can sense Anakin burning to a crisp many star systems away.

2- Palpatine thinks he purged all of the humanity from Anakin when he became Darth Vader, so he doubts this will ever be a problem. Even in the updated scene in ESB, he talks about "the son of Anakin Skywalker" to Vader and he doesn't see Vader react at all.

But see, this is contradicted by the end of ROTS.

Anakin talks about "his" new Empire. He is already thinking about betraying the Emperor, as soon as he gets what he wants. The safety of his loved ones.

When Vader wakes up in his suit, the first thing Anakin wants to know about is Padme. Sidious knowing the affect she has on him, tells him he killed her, basically isolating Vader. This shows that Sidious knows the hold his wife has on him. That even as Darth Vader, he still loves her. That humanity still exist.

Am I to believe that The Emperor does not realize that the child from Anakin and Padme's union wouldn't touch that same spark of humanity that saw Vader crush his medical room?

It is in fact what happens. As soon as Vader has Luke humbled and beaten down, he ask him to join him and defeat the Emperor. :doh:

[roach]

This goes against The Force Unleashed. The Emperor is very much aware of Starkiller. This is the guy who can sense Anakin burning to a crisp many star systems away.

Yet cant sense Yoda or Obi Wan or Luke....he has a connection to Anakin...as was mentioned he thought Starkiller was dead.

But see, this is contradicted by the end of ROTS.

Anakin talks about "his" new Empire. He is already thinking about betraying the Emperor, as soon as he gets what he wants. The safety of his loved ones.

When Vader wakes up in his suit, the first thing Anakin wants to know about is Padme. Sidious knowing the affect she has on him, tells him he killed her, basically isolating Vader. This shows that Sidious knows the hold his wife has on him. That even as Darth Vader, he still loves her. That humanity still exist.

Am I to believe that The Emperor does not realize that the child from Anakin and Padme's union wouldn't touch that same spark of humanity that saw Vader crush his medical room?

It is in fact what happens. As soon as Vader has Luke humbled and beaten down, he ask him to join him and defeat the Emperor. :doh:

I saw that crushing of the room more out of frustration. He made a deal with the devil to save her and ended up being the reason why she died.

[Yodaman]

This goes against The Force Unleashed. The Emperor is very much aware of Starkiller. This is the guy who can sense Anakin burning to a crisp many star systems away.

I'm talking about the end of the game when Starkiller is "apparently" dead (we only know he's not dead because a sequel was announced.


Am I to believe that The Emperor does not realize that the child from Anakin and Padme's union wouldn't touch that same spark of humanity that saw Vader crush his medical room?

Yes. It's about 20 years between ROTS and ROTJ and Palpatine believes he's completely dehumanized Vader since that day.

[roach]

I'm talking about the end of the game when Starkiller is "apparently" dead (we only know he's not dead because a sequel was announced.




Yes. It's about 20 years between ROTS and ROTJ and Palpatine believes he's completely dehumanized Vader since that day.

actually from what I gather its a clone of the original Starkiller

[DarthSkywalker]

I saw that crushing of the room more out of frustration. He made a deal with the devil to save her and ended up being the reason why she died.

Frustration is a demonstration of humanity.

I'm talking about the end of the game when Starkiller is "apparently" dead (we only know he's not dead because a sequel was announced.

The Emperor seems to know all of Vader's actions. He knew he was hunting Luke before Vader ever told him. Whether it be through the force or spies, the Emperor knows the goings on in his Empire.

He knew the secret apprentice existed in the first place and then used him for his own plans.

Yes. It's about 20 years between ROTS and ROTJ and Palpatine believes he's completely dehumanized Vader since that day.

Why would he think that? After all he wants Luke to join them, knowing there is a Rule of 2.

actually from what I gather its a clone of the original Starkiller

It isn't clear yet. Vader says he is, Kota says he isn't. My money is on Vader is messing with his head and he is still the original.

[Doctor Jones]

Oh no, it contradicts. The Alliance Starbird is obvious a modified version of the Jedi crest (Similar to how the Empire adapted the the Republic's symbol), and yet they have the origin in the game. Suddenly everyone not only knows the Death Star exist, they have been on it. Vader already tried to the use the apprentice to replace the Emperor game, before Luke. And yet, the Emperor still lets Vader look for his son and attempt to turn him. Brilliant.

You would think something important like apprentices of main character would come up and yet Anakin/Vader have two that are never mentioned. They exist in an EU vacuum. Not a fan of that.



One, you are exaggerating. Secondly as long as I am civil, why must I change my view on material that I find objective and subjective flaws in to suit your sensibilities?

Because why can't we all just get along?! :cmad: :oldrazz:

[Bim]

2- Palpatine thinks he purged all of the humanity from Anakin when he became Darth Vader, so he doubts this will ever be a problem. Even in the updated scene in ESB, he talks about "the son of Anakin Skywalker" to Vader and he doesn't see Vader react at all.
Agreed. And i'll add my two cents in regarding this subject: i personally believe Palpatine never even imagined Vader would ever betray him. It was part of that overconfidence Luke said was his weakness.

I also must agree with those who say Palpatine could care less who won over Vader and Luke. If Vader won, it would prove he was worthy and that Luke wasnt worthy to be his apprentice and things would remain the same. If Luke won, it proved Vader was outdated and he would get a brand new apprentice, more powerful than Vader. The way he saw it, he won either way. That's why he was very surprised with the turn of events. The Emperor was finally caught off guard. Same way he managed to get an inside man to destroy the jedi, his inside man was the one who destroyed him. In his overconfidence he just overlooked the fact that Vader could betray him one day.

[Kurosawa]

Agreed. And i'll add my two cents in regarding this subject: i personally believe Palpatine never even imagined Vader would ever betray him. It was part of that overconfidence Luke said was his weakness.

I also must agree with those who say Palpatine could care less who won over Vader and Luke. If Vader won, it would prove he was worthy and that Luke wasnt worthy to be his apprentice and things would remain the same. If Luke won, it proved Vader was outdated and he would get a brand new apprentice, more powerful than Vader. The way he saw it, he won either way. That's why he was very surprised with the turn of events. The Emperor was finally caught off guard. Same way he managed to get an inside man to destroy the jedi, his inside man was the one who destroyed him. In his overconfidence he just overlooked the fact that Vader could betray him one day.

Exactly. Vader was his slave and he felt he would never turn on him. Plus he surely felt Vader was no match for him even at this stage, but Vader snuck up on him.

"Your overconfidence is your weakness." Luke showing again why he is the man, not the cackling ass Sidious and not his emo daddy.

[david icke]

"Your overconfidence is your weakness." Luke showing again why he is the man, not the cackling ass Sidious and not his emo daddy.

Luke kind of got overconfident himself there though, when he threw away his lightsabre, he didn't heed Yoda's warning.

[Obi-Ron]

Yoda might have thought to mention "Force lightning, your lightsaber will block." Jerk.

[david icke]

Yoda might have thought to mention "Force lightning, your lightsaber will block." Jerk.

In reality it's not to spoil the ending as we know.
but, you can no-prize it into that being part of the test of him becoming a Jedi, not knowing exactly what the Emperor's power was, but just to be on the defence for it.

[roach]

Luke was only supposed to confront Vader not the Emperor

[Happy Jack]

In reality it's not to spoil the ending as we know.
but, you can no-prize it into that being part of the test of him becoming a Jedi, not knowing exactly what the Emperor's power was, but just to be on the defence for it.
Also that wasn't invented until the prequels.

[Kurosawa]

Luke kind of got overconfident himself there though, when he threw away his lightsabre, he didn't heed Yoda's warning.

To me it was less over confidence and more a statement of refusal to kill. It was sorta Lucas channeling Ghandi-non violent resistance. And it's hard to blame Palps for being cocky-he had never been wrong before. But it just takes one time.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Luke throwing away his saber was just a simple "F you" to the emperor. Remember, he first grabbed it because he was angry and that led him right into Palpatine's plan. "Take your weapon. Strike me down with all your hatred!" Luke doesn't swing at Vader, he goes right for Palpatine. Getting rid of it was a statement.

[Rain Dog]

Yoda might have thought to mention "Force lightning, your lightsaber will block." Jerk.

I doubt most of you (if any) will get the reference but that reminded me of that scene from Kung Pow! where Master Tang says "Beware of Betty's iron claws...they're sharp and they hurt," right before he dies.

[david icke]

Luke throwing away his saber was just a simple "F you" to the emperor. Remember, he first grabbed it because he was angry and that led him right into Palpatine's plan. "Take your weapon. Strike me down with all your hatred!" Luke doesn't swing at Vader, he goes right for Palpatine. Getting rid of it was a statement.

Yeah, I know that, but that doesn't negate it from being a dumb move.

Happy Jack: We only got to see a lightsabre blocking force lightning in the prequels, but the fact that Lucas had Luke throw away his lightsabre just before being attacked by lightning in ROTJ, tells you that he threw away his one defence, and Lucas already had it in mind that it was blockable by ls.

[Bim]

"Your overconfidence is your weakness." Luke showing again why he is the man, not the cackling ass Sidious and not his emo daddy.
This made me laugh :funny:

I think Luke throwing away his lightsaber was his way to surrendering to the Force and sticking to what he believed: he said he wasnt going to kill his father and he certainly wasnt going to be able to kill off the Emperor. I believe he went into this confrontation knowing his best chance to save his father was to reach him in an emotional level, something he was able to finally do once he put down his lightsaber and almost lost his life himself. It was a gutsy move, but it payed off.

[david icke]

This made me laugh :funny:

I think Luke throwing away his lightsaber was his way to surrendering to the Force and sticking to what he believed: he said he wasnt going to kill his father and he certainly wasnt going to be able to kill off the Emperor. I believe he went into this confrontation knowing his best chance to save his father was to reach him in an emotional level, something he was able to finally do once he put down his lightsaber and almost lost his life himself. It was a gutsy move, but it payed off.

I never got the feeling that was a deliberate move on Luke's part, to leave himself defenceless in order to precipitate the Emperor trying to kill him and Vader coming to his rescue.
What i got from it was that Luke felt the Emperor was not carrying a lightsabre, had not in any way given him thought that he would physically attack him, and would accept that Luke had bested his pupil and the battle was done. So he threw away the lightsabre, thinking it was over.
In any case, even if he could not have defeated the Emperor, it was a dumb move to throw away the lightsabre.

[Doctor Jones]

I always thought it simply meant him throwing down his lightsaber as retaliation. He will not resort to any more violence that wasn't needed in the first place.

[roach]

well Yoda did warn him...."do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor"

[CGHulk]

This guy makes his own lightsabers, awesome!
http://www.slothfurnace.com/index.html

[Bim]

I never got the feeling that was a deliberate move on Luke's part, to leave himself defenceless in order to precipitate the Emperor trying to kill him and Vader coming to his rescue.

I never implied that. When i said "this confrontation" i meant him facing Vader again. He didnt go into it with the intention of killing Vader. In my opinion he went into it with the goal of finding a way to reach him, something he did when he put his lightsaber down and almost died at the hand of the Emperor, that`s what made Vader snap. I never meant to say Luke put it down in order to get attacked on purpose.

[GhostPoet]

Throwing down the lightsaber was an act of defiance. Meaning, he is not going to fight FOR the emperors entertainment or because the Emperor or Vader wants him too.

[david icke]

Throwing down the lightsaber was an act of defiance. Meaning, he is not going to fight FOR the emperors entertainment or because the Emperor or Vader wants him too.

Yeah, i think everyone gets that from the film, but he could just have switched it off, robo-copped it with a defiant twirl and stuck it in his pants. I think he was just hopped up on the midi-adrenaline and got carried away with the act of defiance and left himself vulnerable.
I mean, they didn't make them anymore, you don't just throw something like that away, a stormtrooper could have snuck in and had that up on e-bay.

[Hush]

They never mass produced them anyway, the only way to get a Lightsaber is to be a Jedi or sith and be taught how to make one.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Luke grabbed it sometime after Vader's slam dunk and before carrying his dad to the ship.

[Spider-Who?]

I think he tossed it away to help him keep his cool. If he had it on him, it'd be all the more easier to be seduced/coerced into attack, and by way of that, the dark side. And by willingly disarming himself, it showed the Emperor that he wasn't fooling around when it came to standing his moral ground.

[spider-neil]

how many of you are going to pass on the blu ray if the original trilogy AND prequels are released as one box set (with no other version)?

[david icke]

I think he tossed it away to help him keep his cool. If he had it on him, it'd be all the more easier to be seduced/coerced into attack, and by way of that, the dark side. And by willingly disarming himself, it showed the Emperor that he wasn't fooling around when it came to standing his moral ground.

Camon, at that point he was totally cool, there was no way he would go 'dark side', in fact he was *too* cool, that's why he threw away the sabre, he thought he had proven his point, the battle was over and the Emperor would accept that.
the way i thought about it when i was a kid was, Luke had put Yoda's warning about the Emperor's powers down to his powers of persuasion, his Jedi mind tricks, he carried no weapon and looked like a decrepit old guy who could not pick his nose without a nurse helping him, so Luke thought he was more of a Charles Xavier type, all of the mind. So he was not expecting a physical attack, and got cocky that he had beaten both Vader physically, and the Emperor mentally, and the fight was over.
edit: but he should have 'expected the unexpected', which is the cardinal rule for any detective adventurer, he *did* underestimate the Emperor's power, as i said, he could have made the exact same defiant statement by switching it off and sticking it in his pantaloons. Less, dramatic, but that's why i suggested he give it a wee twirl like robocop if he wanted to be both dramatic and play it safe.

Hush: re lightsabres, yeah, i have never read any EU stuff, but i always surmised that was the case with the Vader line: 'I see you have constructed your own lightsabre, your training is complete.'
so, it's not all karate, mind tricks and telekinesis, there is a final test and that is shopwork! If you can't handle you're screwdriver, forget it pal, your out of the order.

[roach]

how many of you are going to pass on the blu ray if the original trilogy AND prequels are released as one box set (with no other version)?

not me

[BigSams50]

how many of you are going to pass on the blu ray if the original trilogy AND prequels are released as one box set (with no other version)?

Not me. Dont get me wrong, the OT is by far better than the PT. But i still find the PT enjoyable

[Spider-Vader]

What Sam said...except AOTC. That movie puts me to sleep.

[spider-neil]

Not me. Dont get me wrong, the OT is by far better than the PT. But i still find the PT enjoyable


I wont pass either, it's maybe time to revisit the PT as I only saw them at the cinema and that was years ago.

[BigSams50]

Yea, AOTC drags like crazy

[BigSams50]

I wont pass either, it's maybe time to revisit the PT as I only saw them at the cinema and that was years ago.

Damn, that was a while ago haha. If i was you i'd just wait until the Blu-Ray release and just watch all six films in a row!!!!!!!!!

[Spider-Vader]

Revenge of the Sith is easily the best of the prequels, besides some of the bad acting from Hayden, I'd say it's on-par with ROTJ in quality.

[BigSams50]

ROTS is definitely the best prequel. I ****in love that movie

[Crockett]

If only Lucas made the first two prequel similar to ROTS, then I wouldn't complain.

[spider-neil]

if they DO release all six movies together I will make a point of watching them in order to see if my enjoyment of the PT increases

[Doctor Jones]

I still need to make time to watch all six. I have no idea when that will happen.

[Dark_Lord]

There's a new preview of Clone Wars season 3 at StarWars.com. It includes new footage.
The Clone Wars Season 3: Truly Cinematic (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001083.html)

[Doctor Jones]

Wow. This just keeps getting better. And the voice actress to Ashoka is hot.

[GhostPoet]

wow season 3's cgi ups the quality even more!

[JTStarkiller]

Wow. This just keeps getting better. And the voice actress to Ashoka is hot.

Ashley Eckstein IS pretty damn cute.

[8wid]

After watching TPM again, I can't believe that Lucas made Padme a queen at 14 years old. She really is going to lead in insurrection against an army of droids to liberate her planet.

[Jordacar]

I'm guessing that early on GL figured, "Leia's a princess, so her mom is a queen." Now that's not a very well-formed plan when you think about it for more than four seconds, especially since in the final script, Padme's position as queen has nothing at all to do with Leia's position as princess.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I watched them not too long ago, still awesome. :atp: My order goes :

ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

[Ipodman]

I watched them not too long ago, still awesome. :atp: My order goes :

ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

Order of what? How you watch it?

[VenomVsSpidey]

Order of what? How you watch it?

haha, nahh, order I like them in:oldrazz:

[Ipodman]

haha, nahh, order I like them in:oldrazz:

Oh.

So Episode 3 is your fav?

I liked ROTS too... it was good for what it was.

I watched A New Hope on DVD recently... loved it. The Jabba thing isnt so bad as people make it out to be

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh.

So Episode 3 is your fav?

Yessir :woot: :up:

[blksuperman2]

ROTS was a letdown for me. If anyone played the video game that came out a few weeks before the movie you'd know what I'm talking about. There's a whole level where you play as Anakin slaughtering Jedi in the Jedi Temple. (No younglings!)

ESB will always be my all-time favorite.

[Happy Jack]

I watched them not too long ago, still awesome. :atp: My order goes :

ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC
ROTS better than Star Wars and Empire? Come on, man.

[VenomVsSpidey]

ROTS better than Star Wars and Empire? Come on, man.

Sorry man. It's my opinion:oldrazz:

[Jackasscoley15]

ROTS better than Star Wars and Empire? Come on, man.

Eh, I say let the new generation have their ROTS. It's not really going to change anything. Now, if say, ten years from now, somebody writes a book entitled "Revenge of the Sith: The Making of a Masterpiece", then that would be probable cause for alarm. :funny:

[Ipodman]

Although I find Episode 2 a little better than Episode 1

[Happy Jack]

Eh, I say let the new generation have their ROTS. It's not really going to change anything. Now, if say, ten years from now, somebody writes a book entitled "Revenge of the Sith: The Making of a Masterpiece", then that would be probable cause for alarm. :funny:
I suppose so.

[Ipodman]

ESB may be the most well received... but the first portion of it always seemed very out of place to me. Like it didnt really flow into the rest of the movie

[roach]

yesterday I watched the prequels and remembered why I love them...

I laughed at this one scene in ROTS when Anakin goes to see Padme after the attack on the palace. Artoo beeps something to 3PO and 3PO tells him to be quiet as if Anakin might hear....I imagine Artoo was telling 3PO "This mofo just went nutty."

[BigSams50]

I watched them not too long ago, still awesome. :atp: My order goes :

ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

Not bad, for me its:

ESB
ROTS
ANH
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

[Ipodman]

For me its ANH > ESB > ROTS > ATOC > TPM

[Kurosawa]

I watched them not too long ago, still awesome. :atp: My order goes :

ROTS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

My current order is:

ANH
ROTS
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

[bullets]

how many of you are going to pass on the blu ray if the original trilogy AND prequels are released as one box set (with no other version)?


It all depends on the price and packaging. I would prefer them to split the packaging and also all six together would be a high cost. I'll buy both but a masssive expensive set will hold me off.

[bullets]

Anh
esb
rotj
rots
pm
aotc

[Gamma Ray]

I don't know how people can stand Revenge of the Sith. It's the most plot-hole laden filth pile in the series.

My order is the order of release: ANH, ESB and ROTJ. I literally can't stand watching the prequels.