Star Wars 2.0

[Ipodman]

I assume collectors want something like the Planet of the Apes where its a massive box with everything inside. But you can get the individual movies separately if you only want certain of the movies.

[Yodaman]

ESB
ROTJ
ANH
ROTS
AOTC
TPMa

[DarknessOfDeath]

ESB, ROTS, ANH, ROTJ, AOTC and TPM

[scifiwolf]

Empire
New Hope
Jedi
Sith
Menace
Clones

[flash13]

ROTJ
ESB
ANH
ROTS
TPM
AOTC

I enjoy the prequels a lot, especially Ewan Macgregor's Obi-Wan, but the original trilogy are great movies that are fresh for me every time I put them in. ROTJ remains my favorite because of the awesome battle at Jabba's palace and the Vader, Luke and Palpatine scenes.

[Doctor Jones]

I prefer ROTS over ROTJ myself. It's just alot more fulfilling and it delivered in ways where ROTJ didn't.

[david icke]

Esb
anh
rots
rotj
tpm
aotc

[Bim]

There's a new preview of Clone Wars season 3 at StarWars.com. It includes new footage.
The Clone Wars Season 3: Truly Cinematic (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001083.html)
Thanks! :awesome:

As for how i rank the movies, i must say only the top 2 remain that way: ANH, ROTS... to be honest, the others are interchangeable depending on my mood... yeah, even ESB :oldrazz:. Right now though, i guess i rank them like this: ANH, ROTS, ESB, AOTC, ROTJ, TPM.

As far as blu-ray boxset, let`s just say SW might be the saga that will finally make me switch to blu-ray, so i would obviously buy it. A new SW boxset with new documentaries would be a must for me.

[marvelrobbins]

Rots
tesb
rotj
aotc
tpm
anh

[VenomVsSpidey]

Not bad, for me its:

ESB
ROTS
ANH
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

My current order is:

ANH
ROTS
ESB
ROTJ
TPM
AOTC

I quite like how all three of our lists have pretty much the same order :up:

[Hush]

Empire Strikes Back
Return Of The Sith
Return Of The Jedi
A New Hope
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones

Phantom Menace has Liam Neeson so it get s automatically placed above Attack Of The Clones.

[LostSon88]

Watched the trailer for Clone Wars: Season 3...and it has me, 'intrigued'.

I'm thinking about buying the 1st season on BD but need thoughts on the series as a whole before I make that leap.

Admittedly, i've only seen a handful of episodes from this series and thought they were okay. But those who've followed the series all the way through...how good is it?

...oh and do they still use that lame voiceover/news reel at the beginning of each episode like season 1? :dry:

[Doctor Jones]

They do. But the whole point of it is an homage to the 30's serials with the fast talking narrator for the introductions. You get used to it. And you are missing out. The series is fantastic.

[Spider-Vader]

Favorites:
ESB
ROTS
ROTJ
ANH
TPM
AOTC

Quality:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
ROTS
TPM
AOTC

[Bim]

They do. But the whole point of it is an homage to the 30's serials with the fast talking narrator for the introductions. You get used to it. And you are missing out. The series is fantastic.
Seconded :woot:. The Clone Wars series has surprised me in a positive way, i honestly had no idea what to expect, but i find that each season it keeps getting better, not only in terms of the animation but also regarding the characters and the plot.

[Crockett]

At first when they announced that they are doing another show on the Clone Wars I was like meh, but now after recently watching a episode like "The Mandalore Plot" (haven't finish second season yet), I'm glad that they made the show, for the fans and the kids. At this point, I still prefer the first Clone Wars series, but this could very well be even as good.

[Spider-Vader]

First Clone Wars cartoon had some good action scenes but that was about it. No deep episodes like the Clone episodes or Zilo Monster episodes.

[Sam Fisher]

I didn't care for the first Clone Wars cartoon. The current one is much much better.

[Rain Dog]

First Clone Wars cartoon had some good action scenes but that was about it. No deep episodes like the Clone episodes or Zilo Monster episodes.

Well they were only like 5 minutes long, weren't they?

[roach]

i bought the blu ray and downloaded season 2....i love this series for the adult themes they tackle

[Bim]

First Clone Wars cartoon had some good action scenes but that was about it. No deep episodes like the Clone episodes or Zilo Monster episodes.
Well to be fair, the first CW had very short episodes. I think it did pretty well for how long those episodes ran for. I prefer the series going on now, but i still enjoy the first CW aswell.

[Doctor Jones]

I loved the first CW show so much. Every night my brother and I sat in front of the tv in anticipation for a less than five minute episode. But they were so well done. So well told in that little time. Then I got the DVD and they were all combined to make an hour long movie. And it makes alot of sense. It flows very well.

I remember being supremly pissed off when I found out they were going to be five minutes, but when I watched them, it made up for the fact.

[GhostPoet]

On the topic of CW series. My prediction is that Anakin's way of life will eventually turn Ahsoka to the dark side. Come on...we've already seen glimpses of it. A student will become the teacher. Anakin is already riding the fence a bit...it's only logical to assume she will too. All it takes is a few more pushes. My belief is that eventually it will come down to a poetic fight between Anakin and his student...to the death. Just as Obi-Wan and Anakin fought to the death.

[DCW]

^ I'd like that, it may mirror RotS too closely for me though. There are actually a whole bunch of ideas I like for what happens to Ahsoka:

she leaves the Jedi Order, not to become a Sith, she just leaves the Order,
she gets killed by Ventress and Anakin kills Ventress in revenge,
she gets killed by Dooku,
she gets killed (disintegrated) by Boba Fett, hence the "no disentigrations" line in ESB,

And I'm sure there are some ideas I haven't even heard of yet that would be awesome. I think I'd prefer her to die though, to add another person to the list of people Anakin loses, and in his view can't save.

[JTStarkiller]

All of those are great, but the first and fourth have always been my favorites. Everyone is expecting her to die, so I love the idea of something critical happening in her life to cause her to leave the Jedi Order. I think it'd be a little more poignant than her just getting killed.

But if she is killed, yes, I do love the idea of Boba disintegrating her.

[Paradox1]

just saw a list on ign of the fans favorite characters in the stars Wars universe. Agree?disagree? let the debate begin.

10. StarKiller
9. Chewbacca
8. Bobba Fett
7. Darth Revan
6. R2-D2
5. Luke Skywalker
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
3.Yoda
2. Han Solo
1. Darth Vader

[Ghostvirus]

Are they referring to Bendak Starkiller in KOTOR?! Are you serious? Where is the Lord Maul?!

[flash13]

I agree with the list overall, but who is Darth Revan?

[Yodaman]

Are they referring to Bendak Starkiller in KOTOR?! Are you serious? Where is the Lord Maul?!

Probably Galen "Starkiller" Marek from The Force Unleashed. I got a bit irked that Revan and Starkiller were placed much higher than many of the movie and other EU characters, but I realized this was done on IGN, so I know where their bias is :o

[Bim]

I`m surprised to see Darth Revan and Starkiller there. I would add Leia and C3PO instead of those two, maybe even Maul. For me personally, Obi-Wan and Han Solo are my top two.

GhostPoet: i think Ahsoka will either die (killed by Dooku, Ventress of Boba) or leave the jedi order for some reason.

Changing gears, amazon sent me an email telling me about this book, that i admit i hadnt heard of. Seems interesting, called The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ref=pe_90190_16509450_pe_btn/1603800964

[Doctor Jones]

Pretty good list. It's weird they put Starkiller in there though.

I'd definitely agree with the top five.

My favorite SW characters:

1. Han Solo
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
3. Darth Vader
4. Boba Fett
5. Chewbacca, Yoda, or Luke

[Bim]

My favorite SW characters:

1. Han Solo
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
3. Darth Vader
4. Boba Fett
5. Chewbacca, Yoda, or Luke
Definitely agree with ur top two, but i`ll switch them up:
1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
2. Han Solo
3. Luke Skywalker
4. Yoda
5. R2-D2

[Doctor Jones]

See, it's hard between those two.

For the PT, Obi-Wan is my favorite character, and the OT Han is my favorite.

[flash13]

Same for me

[Bim]

See, it's hard between those two.

For the PT, Obi-Wan is my favorite character, and the OT Han is my favorite.
I know :csad: but i think PT Obi-Wan just made Ben Kenobi even more awesome, so i just had to go with him as my #1. Believe me, the line between my #1 and #2 is very thin :cwink:

[GoblinWhirlwind]

My top 5, EU and all

1. Thrawn
2. Darth Bane
3. Darth Sidious
4. Luke Skywalker
5. Yoda


#5 was hard, but I gotta have the Grand Masters of both Jedi Orders on there.

[Doctor Jones]

I know :csad: but i think PT Obi-Wan just made Ben Kenobi even more awesome, so i just had to go with him as my #1. Believe me, the line between my #1 and #2 is very thin :cwink:

Definitely. When I was 7 and I saw TPM, and when Obi-Wan fought Darth Maul one on one then chopped him in half, he became my favorite character. :woot:

Obi-Wan is definitely the most badass character in the PT. He has this Peter O'Toole quality to him but a badass version of Peter O'Toole.

I mean can someone post the video of Obi-Wan getting fumed and taking on Maul? Because that part was relentless. :awesome: Say what you want about the film, but it's impossible to hate that bit.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Definitely. When I was 7 and I saw TPM, and when Obi-Wan fought Darth Maul one on one then chopped him in half, he became my favorite character. :woot:

Obi-Wan is definitely the most badass character in the PT. He has this Peter O'Toole quality to him but a badass version of Peter O'Toole.

I mean can someone post the video of Obi-Wan getting fumed and taking on Maul? Because that part was relentless. :awesome: Say what you want about the film, but it's impossible to hate that bit.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqydT7h3ZJE

[Doctor Jones]

It's not coming up.

[VenomVsSpidey]

try the link...I have trouble embedding anything on youtube

[Obi-Ron]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqydT7h3ZJE

You just need the letters after the = sign (in this case, nqydT7h3ZJE) in the YT tag

nqydT7h3ZJE

[Doctor Jones]

Thanks guys!

Gotta love that.

[Ipodman]

My friend asked me who was the "most powerful" in the whole SW Universe. Including expanded and books and everything. He said it was the main guy from Force Unleashed. I tried to bluff my way through and said Yoda.

Anyone got an answer to this?

[VenomVsSpidey]

You just need the letters after the = sign (in this case, nqydT7h3ZJE) in the YT tag

nqydT7h3ZJE

so that's how it is now, thanks :yay:


Thanks guys!

Gotta love that.


No problem :up:

people can say what they want about the prequels, but I'll be damned if someone craps on the duels and the music

[roach]

My friend asked me who was the "most powerful" in the whole SW Universe. Including expanded and books and everything. He said it was the main guy from Force Unleashed. I tried to bluff my way through and said Yoda.

Anyone got an answer to this?

probably Anakin before he became Vader, Yoda or Palpatine...i think at some point in the EU Jacen Solo glowed with the force....

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Top five favorites:

Vader
Han
Yoda
Luke
Buffet plate at Bennigan's

[Ipodman]

Why would Anakin be more powerful before he became Vader?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

He lost midowhatevers after getting all cut up by Kenobi's lightsaber. I think that's the explanation as to why he couldn't use force lightning and why Palpatine was always his master.

[roach]

i think I read somewhere that his connection to the force was cut because he became more machine than man...the force is in living creatures

[Ipodman]

Hmm. So if he DIDNT become Vader, he would have became even more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Probably. I'm sure I've heard Lucas say that before.

[ross2287]

My friend asked me who was the "most powerful" in the whole SW Universe. Including expanded and books and everything. He said it was the main guy from Force Unleashed. I tried to bluff my way through and said Yoda.

Anyone got an answer to this?

I think it's either Anakin or Luke.

Anakin was, though, created by the Force...so there's that...

[Obi-Ron]

Hmm. So if he DIDNT become Vader, he would have became even more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine?

So Palpy claims during his fight with Yoda.

[Doctor Jones]

"Faith in your apprentice, misplaced may be, as is your faith in the dark side of the force."

I always assumed Yoday meant that even though the Dark Side seems to be stronger, the Sith don't understand the true power of the force, which isn't having all the power and ruling the galaxy. The true power resides in the person and what they do with it, the choices they make. The Emperor may be able to defeat most jedi, but he doesn't have what those Jedi have, which is control and proper knowledge of the force and not using them for selfish desires and acts. Being a Jedi, as Lucas says, is very selfless.

Luke asks Yoda if the dark side is stronger. Yoda of course responds with a no. With his delivery I got that assumption.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

He lost midowhatevers after getting all cut up by Kenobi's lightsaber. I think that's the explanation as to why he couldn't use force lightning and why Palpatine was always his master.

i think I read somewhere that his connection to the force was cut because he became more machine than man...the force is in living creatures

true

and he would probably need both hands to be able to create force lightning, and one of his hands/arms is robotic; Dooku chopped it off in AOTC

[LostSon88]

Hmm. So if he DIDNT become Vader, he would have became even more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine?

I think that he had the "potential" to become the most powerful force user in the galaxy...but ultimately never reached it due to the many trials and tribulations he'd gone through and the choices he had made.

So if I were to say who the most powerful force user was based on what i've seen in the films...I'd go Yoda.

[Kurosawa]

Top 5 SW characters:
1. Luke
2. Obi-Wan
3. Vader
4. Leia
5. Yoda

And yea, had Anakin not fallen to the dark side then he could have passed Sidious or Yoda. His potential was higher. But penis > force.

[roach]

true

and he would probably need both hands to be able to create force lightning, and one of his hands/arms is robotic; Dooku chopped it off in AOTC

by the time he became Vader...which I mean when he was in the suit....the only human parts to him was his torso and head and these were badly damaged

force lighting doesnt need both hands Dooku did it with one hand

[DCW]

Poor chewie, not a lot of love for him in your guys top 5...oh well, he didn't make it into mine either, lol.

1. Anakin/Vader
2. Obi-Wan
3. Luke
4. Yoda
5. Sidious

I want to give Qui-Gon some love...but don't think he quite makes it into my top 5.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I
Changing gears, amazon sent me an email telling me about this book, that i admit i hadnt heard of. Seems interesting, called The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ref=pe_90190_16509450_pe_btn/1603800964

that is f'in awesome :up: also f'in expensive :down:

but, imo. I'd say :

1 Anakin/Vader
2 Obi-Wan
3 Luke
4 Han
5 The Emperor
6 Chewie :3
7 Prince Xizor
8 Yoda
9 Qui-Gon
10 Padme

[Ipodman]

How many people in SW has the force lightning?

[Ghostvirus]

My friend asked me who was the "most powerful" in the whole SW Universe. Including expanded and books and everything. He said it was the main guy from Force Unleashed. I tried to bluff my way through and said Yoda.

Anyone got an answer to this?

I don't think you were bluffing. Yoda has shown the ability to smack down with the best in the force category. & throwdown some crazy green blur moves with his Saber. He is an all around power house. I can't think of anyone better.

[Gamma Ray]

Princess Leia is way underrated. Especially in the first movie.

[Bim]

I mean can someone post the video of Obi-Wan getting fumed and taking on Maul? Because that part was relentless. :awesome: Say what you want about the film, but it's impossible to hate that bit.
It`s pure awesomeness. I love the little bounces he does right before the shields go down and he goes all out towards Maul. Ewan and Ray just friggin` rocked that duel. No offense to Liam, he did well too, but this is hands down my favorite duel in TPM. I`ve been known to play it over and over when i get to that scene while watching the movie :o

Ipodman: i believe Anakin had the potential to become the most powerful jedi, but the choices he made ultimately prevented that from happening. When Obi-Wan chopped him up, he suffered a lot of physical and even psychological damage. I always got the sense that his Force abilities somewhat diminished after that. Granted, he turned to the darkside and focused all of his anger, hate and frustration and still was powerful, but nowhere near what he could have been imo.

[Doctor Jones]

It`s pure awesomeness. I love the little bounces he does right before the shields go down and he goes all out towards Maul. Ewan and Ray just friggin` rocked that duel. No offense to Liam, he did well too, but this is hands down my favorite duel in TPM. I`ve been known to play it over and over when i get to that scene while watching the movie :o

Ipodman: i believe Anakin had the potential to become the most powerful jedi, but the choices he made ultimately prevented that from happening. When Obi-Wan chopped him up, he suffered a lot of physical and even psychological damage. I always got the sense that his Force abilities somewhat diminished after that. Granted, he turned to the darkside and focused all of his anger, hate and frustration and still was powerful, but nowhere near what he could have been imo.

Oh, yeah. He was pissed off and getting just itching to take on Maul. It's sooo sick. :awesome:

Yeah, but even though Vader is a cripple, he still is pretty damn powerful. His image has become the poster child of the Empire for the rebels to fear. Although he did take on more properly trained Jedi and were still able to defeat them. He took on Luke and Obi-Wan, but they were not properly trained and an old man. So he always had the advantage there.

Vader has always been naive to think the force means unstoppable power. But it's never been about that. It's one of the reasons Obi-Wan sacrifices himself and be struck down. Becoming one with the force and being an agent for good does make you more powerful, but it's more than just that.

[Erzengel]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l82s8oDISc1qbg80vo1_500.jpg

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
Just a quick comment : old age doesn't mean weak when talking about Force users. Obi Wan ( in ANH ) was younger than Dooku and I don't even talk about Yoda, both were old but both were masters and skilled with Lightsaber.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Erz, thats cute. :)

[roach]

^
Just a quick comment : old age doesn't mean weak when talking about Force users. Obi Wan ( in ANH ) was younger than Dooku and I don't even talk about Yoda, both were old but both were masters and skilled with Lightsaber.

Well Dooku is supposed to be a master swordsman second only to Mace Windu who is supposed to be the best jedi swordsman

[DarknessOfDeath]

Didn't Obi wan say if Anakin had more practice he would rival master Yoda as a swordsman? lol. I would say Yoda is but Obi Wan and Anakin were good even though they have different fighting styles giving what we've seen from the films.

[Rain Dog]

How many people in SW has the force lightning?

In the films just Palpatine and Dooku. In the EU, there are a bunch more. As a matter of fact, in the EU I think Luke and Plo Koon use it which is kind of ridiculous to me.

[Monsieur Xavier]

In the films just Palpatine and Dooku. In the EU, there are a bunch more. As a matter of fact, in the EU I think Luke and Plo Koon use it which is kind of ridiculous to me.

I thought Force lightning was a Dark Side thing only or almost.
I am not well versed in the EU stuff but Joruus C'Boat ( the clone ) used it but wasn't a Sith, just a twisted Jedi ( It was in Grant Amiral Thrown saga ).

[roach]

yeah using the force to kill doesnt seem like a Jedi thing

[Erzengel]

just saw a list on ign of the fans favorite characters in the stars Wars universe. Agree?disagree? let the debate begin.

10. StarKiller
9. Chewbacca
8. Bobba Fett
7. Darth Revan
6. R2-D2
5. Luke Skywalker
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
3.Yoda
2. Han Solo
1. Darth Vader

Yoda
Vader
Luke
Obi-Wan
Han

My top 5 just in a different order.

[Rain Dog]

yeah using the force to kill doesnt seem like a Jedi thing

Exactly why I think it's ridiculous but from what I understand, it's not considered darkside because they don't actually kill anyone with it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electric_Judgment

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070825064511/starwars/images/5/50/Luke_Swarm_War.jpg

[Doctor Jones]

More of a last minute defense sort of thing maybe?

[Bim]

Double post

[Bim]

Ok it`s been a while since i read it, but i think that in the Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to the Force book the darkside user are the ones more adept to using it (hence it`s name), not so much the jedi, although they obviously have the capability of using it themselves. They choose not to. It`s more of a skill for attack, not so much defense. In my opinion, it`s silly to have a jedi use it based on their beliefs.

[Hush]

Qui-Gon was apparently quite strong with the force and did things that no other Jedi did when they tapped into it. I remember in a Clone Wars comic that Obi-Wan did something like pulled in the air around him and it healed him or something and the person with him asked what he had just done and he said something my master taught me that the council didnt like or something. I mean they explicitly have Obi-Wan say " You would be on the council if you just obeyed." Plus he is the FIRST to my knowledge to die and then make his spirit appear. Even Yoda had to learn that from him. I think this is because of his Unique relationship with the Force.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Qui-Gon was apparently quite strong with the force and did things that no other Jedi did when they tapped into it. I remember in a Clone Wars comic that Obi-Wan did something like pulled in the air around him and it healed him or something and the person with him asked what he had just done and he said something my master taught me that the council didnt like or something. I mean they explicitly have Obi-Wan say " You would be on the council if you just obeyed." Plus he is the FIRST to my knowledge to die and then make his spirit appear. Even Yoda had to learn that from him. I think this is because of his Unique relationship with the Force.

In the SW Universe Obi Wan isn't the first to become a Force spirit, many Jedi and probably Sith as well can transcend death.

[Hush]

Read my post, I didnt say Obi was, I said Qui-Gon.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Read my post, I didnt say Obi was, I said Qui-Gon.

I read it twice but I will pull my "hey I'm French" joker on this one :)

Anyway, it also applies to Qui Gon, I doubt he was the first, the Jedi Order is centuries old after all.

[Hush]

Oh i see your french, that makes sense. ;)

Im sure your correct but until one of these Star Wars geniuses tells me differently ill take my own theory as correct. Plus if Yoda didnt know about it than thats like what 500 years by the time Qui-Gon dies that he hasnt and no Jedi has come to him with that ability in a Spirit form.

[Rain Dog]

Oh i see your french, that makes sense. ;)

Im sure your correct but until one of these Star Wars geniuses tells me differently ill take my own theory as correct. Plus if Yoda didnt know about it than thats like what 500 years by the time Qui-Gon dies that he hasnt and no Jedi has come to him with that ability in a Spirit form.

Qui-Gon didn't discover it, he rediscovered it. Again, it's another aspect of the EU I don't like. Qui-Gon tells Yoda the irony of the Sith is that eternal life is the one thing they want most but can never achieve but the EU has countless examples of Sith ghosts.

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
You made me google it :)
Wiki says : http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost

Also, I don't remember Yoda saying he learned the spirit form from Qui Gon, was the scene in Revenge of the Sith ?

[GhostPoet]

Qui-Gon didn't discover it, he rediscovered it. Again, it's another aspect of the EU I don't like. Qui-Gon tells Yoda the irony of the Sith is that eternal life is the one thing they want most but can never achieve but the EU has countless examples of Sith ghosts.

That's why I only look at the EU as more of an alternate reality than anything else.

[Rain Dog]

^
You made me google it :)
Wiki says : http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost

Also, I don't remember Yoda saying he learned the spirit form from Qui Gon, was the scene in Revenge of the Sith ?

He said he learned it from Qui-Gon in ROTS but the little exchange I mentioned was only in the novelization.

[OptimusPrime114]

I want to apologize for "fan re-casting" the original cast.

Forgive me?

[Hush]

He said he learned it from Qui-Gon in ROTS but the little exchange I mentioned was only in the novelization.

One of, if not, THE BEST novelization of a movie I have ever read.

[Doctor Jones]

I want to apologize for "fan re-casting" the original cast.

Forgive me?

No.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/Jonesy50/12402.jpg?t=1283465242

[Spider-Vader]

I hope the Blu-Ray of ROTS has the scene with Qui-Gon's ghost IN the movie. If Lucas can mess with the OT, he can mess with the PT.

[Doctor Jones]

Was that even shot?

[Spider-Vader]

I think so. It might of just been his voice though.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't ever remember them shooting a scene with Neeson. I thought it was something that only existed in thge novelization.

[Spider-Vader]

I could of sworn that they had cut some stuff featuring Neeson.

[roach]

well the blu rays are gonna have deleted scenes so it should be in there

[Infinity9999x]

I could of sworn that they had cut some stuff featuring Neeson.

I remember reading that it had definitely been written and that they drew up concept pics for it. Don't recall if they ever actually shot anything though.

However, I do want to say that I read that Neeson did record something for ROTS.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I'm pretty sure Yoda's conversation with Qui-Gon occurred right before Bail came in, near the end when they were in the medical facility. I'd love for that to be on the Blu-Ray.

[venom892]

I heard Liam was going to film the scene but got into some sort of accident and they couldn't.If they could I would love for them to film him and edit him in.

[Hush]

Its Lucas, if he can he will. The man loves stuff like that and I love him for that.

[Obi-Ron]

One of, if not, THE BEST novelization of a movie I have ever read.

I kind of regret reading it before seeing the movie. Qui-Gon's ghost telling Obi that "it's love that will have the power to defeat the dark side" was brilliant, and the scene was sorely missed.

[venom892]

Double.

[venom892]

Wow that line is genius.Wish it would have been in the movie.

[Kurosawa]

I kind of regret reading it before seeing the movie. Qui-Gon's ghost telling Obi that "it's love that will have the power to defeat the dark side" was brilliant, and the scene was sorely missed.

Not having that scene is my single biggest issue with ROTS.

[Kurosawa]

Exactly why I think it's ridiculous but from what I understand, it's not considered darkside because they don't actually kill anyone with it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electric_Judgment

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070825064511/starwars/images/5/50/Luke_Swarm_War.jpg

"Power grid, I will light." in Mark Hamill's Yoda voice.

[Bim]

I could of sworn that they had cut some stuff featuring Neeson.
If i remember correctly, that was never filmed. They were only going to use the voice and it just didnt work right, so it never made it to the movie.

[GhostPoet]

You know...one scene I always found funny in The Phantom Menace was when Padme wanted to go with Qui-Gon to that town on Tantooine and he gives this little speech about how dangerous it is....and then they show the town and it's nothing like described. Infact, it looked pretty dang safe to me.

It's this scene that pretty much defines every scene for me. That aspect of talking about how bad things are, but only showing us the sunny, goofy side of things.

[Rain Dog]

You know...one scene I always found funny in The Phantom Menace was when Padme wanted to go with Qui-Gon to that town on Tantooine and he gives this little speech about how dangerous it is....and then they show the town and it's nothing like described. Infact, it looked pretty dang safe to me.

It's this scene that pretty much defines every scene for me. That aspect of talking about how bad things are, but only showing us the sunny, goofy side of things.

lol I never thought about that. Maybe they were in one of Mos Espa's "safe neighborhoods"?

[Kurosawa]

You know...one scene I always found funny in The Phantom Menace was when Padme wanted to go with Qui-Gon to that town on Tantooine and he gives this little speech about how dangerous it is....and then they show the town and it's nothing like described. Infact, it looked pretty dang safe to me.

It's this scene that pretty much defines every scene for me. That aspect of talking about how bad things are, but only showing us the sunny, goofy side of things.

He probably just didn't feel like babysitting her and Jar-Jar as well.

[Bim]

He probably just didn't feel like babysitting her and Jar-Jar as well.
Yeah, i think babysitting Jar Jar was more than enough :funny:

[david icke]

You know...one scene I always found funny in The Phantom Menace was when Padme wanted to go with Qui-Gon to that town on Tantooine and he gives this little speech about how dangerous it is....and then they show the town and it's nothing like described. Infact, it looked pretty dang safe to me.

It's this scene that pretty much defines every scene for me. That aspect of talking about how bad things are, but only showing us the sunny, goofy side of things.

Yeah, exactly, the first time i saw TPM i was waiting on something to happen like in the Cantina in ANH, to back up what Qui-Gonn had said, but all we got was Sebulba getting into a wee argument with Jar Jar.
What would have been good would have been a scene where Qui-Gonn got into a scrape and had to use his lightsabre, and that's how Anakin finds out he's a Jedi, and sees one in action, further stoking his desire to be one.

edit: also, if you'd had a scene like that, you could have had Watto hearing about a Jedi being about Mos Espa after he frees anakin, so he realises Qui-gonn is the Jedi and that he *has* been swindled, so he rounds up a posse of bounty hunters/crooks to get ahold of Qui-Gonn and Anakin, and Qui-gonn has to fight his way through a couple of bounty hunters on the outskirts who have caught up to them, and then just when he has finished with that scrape, that's when Darth Maul leaps in and makes his first attack.
That is the kind of thing I wanted from that section, some more Jedi action, instead of having it only at the very beginning and end of the movie, like the inside of a sandwich on the outside of a sandwich that has nothing in the middle of the sandwich, i don't like sandwiches, they get everywhere.

That's also what i didn't like about some of the ANH SE adds, as soon as we enter Mos Eisley after OW's famous 'hive of scum and villany' speech, what do we see? Two comedy droids, and a Jawa falling off his mount in a slapstick manner.

[Jordacar]

You know...one scene I always found funny in The Phantom Menace was when Padme wanted to go with Qui-Gon to that town on Tantooine and he gives this little speech about how dangerous it is....and then they show the town and it's nothing like described. Infact, it looked pretty dang safe to me.

It's this scene that pretty much defines every scene for me. That aspect of talking about how bad things are, but only showing us the sunny, goofy side of things.It's the same thing on Naboo. We keep hearing how there's a crisis and people are dying, but we never see anybody dying. Or hardly anybody on Naboo.

[Obi-Ron]

Wow that line is genius.Wish it would have been in the movie.

Here is the line from the book (The part in italics is described as the Force speaking to Yoda with Qui-Gon's voice):

Yoda did not move. "Eternal life..."

The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness.

"Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have..." Yoda mused. "A power greater than all, that is."

edit: oh, and GoblinWhirlwind was right, at the end of the scene Bail Organa enters the room and tells Yoda that Padme is dying in labor.

[Rain Dog]

You can tell Lucas didn't come up with that lol.

[CGHulk]

The Solo Adventures was shown a few weeks ago at the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, Florida where it was an audience favorite and won a Best Animation prize. This 3D student film, written and directed by Daniel L. Smith and Jeffery Sheetz, was a class project by students at the DAVE School of Digital Arts and Visual Effects in Orlando.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnMxAZjMsI&feature=player_embedded

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The Solo Adventures was shown a few weeks ago at the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, Florida where it was an audience favorite and won a Best Animation prize. This 3D student film, written and directed by Daniel L. Smith and Jeffery Sheetz, was a class project by students at the DAVE School of Digital Arts and Visual Effects in Orlando.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnMxAZjMsI&feature=player_embedded

:wow:

that was amazing!

makes me wish we could get a Han Solo tv series

LOL @ the ending :woot:

[Ipodman]

How powerful exactly is the force lightning? There is the "good" equilivant right...

[Doctor Jones]

Oh, man. I want a Han Solo series now.

The ending was effing great too.

[DCW]

Loved that Han Solo movie. There could literally be so many different types of Star Wars TV series made!

[Paradox1]

How powerful exactly is the force lightning? There is the "good" equilivant right...


No equivalent to a good force lightning attack. From what I understand the Jedi don't use it because its power is tempting. As its been said before power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Kurosawa]

Solo movie was really cool and I'm not much of a Solo fan (although I do love Chewie). Thought he was a little too caricatured though.

[8wid]

It's the same thing on Naboo. We keep hearing how there's a crisis and people are dying, but we never see anybody dying. Or hardly anybody on Naboo.

So we also see the Death Star blow up Alderaan and never see billions die on the surface. But more so, I think that is following the Greek idea in drama to leave it in the background and have the audience picture it in their own heads. Because what we picture is usually better than what appears to be on screen.

[david icke]

So we also see the Death Star blow up Alderaan and never see billions die on the surface. But more so, I think that is following the Greek idea in drama to leave it in the background and have the audience picture it in their own heads. Because what we picture is usually better than what appears to be on screen.

lol, i think we can take it for granted that no-one survived on Alderaan when it blew up, so we did see them dying, that is not comparable at all.

and that might have worked for Greek theatre, but it most certainly did not work for this movie.

How exactly were the people 'dying'? What do we see of the invasion, a very orderly takeover by programmed robots, absolutely zero resistance, no fighting. People rounded up and taken to camps.

Now, if it were human armies taking over, you could maybe imagine some cruelty going on there, people being toyed with or tortured, but no, it's a bunch of programmed robots.
At best, you can imagine someone trying to run away and being shot by a robot, but i don't think that exactly qualifies for what they are trying to achieve with that line.

That whole aspect of the movie is stupid beyond words.
They put in the 'people are dying' message from the planet because the audience will wonder why the Queen wants to rush back, instead of waiting it out patiently through poilitcal process.
and that political process is dumb as well, a ruler of a planet goes to the senate and pleads her case, and no-one believes her that her planet has been invaded, instead they listen to a couple of ministers from another planet.
It's absolute rubbish, you cannot hide the invasion of a frickin' planet.
It's just terrible writing all round.

[spidey-dude]

The Solo Adventures was shown a few weeks ago at the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, Florida where it was an audience favorite and won a Best Animation prize. This 3D student film, written and directed by Daniel L. Smith and Jeffery Sheetz, was a class project by students at the DAVE School of Digital Arts and Visual Effects in Orlando.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnMxAZjMsI&feature=player_embedded

really cool and great voice work the cgi is really good too

i didnt like the design of the characters one bit though

[roach]

How exactly were the people 'dying'? What do we see of the invasion, a very orderly takeover by programmed robots, absolutely zero resistance, no fighting. People rounded up and taken to camps.

Now, if it were human armies taking over, you could maybe imagine some cruelty going on there, people being toyed with or tortured, but no, it's a bunch of programmed robots.
At best, you can imagine someone trying to run away and being shot by a robot, but i don't think that exactly qualifies for what they are trying to achieve with that line.

That whole aspect of the movie is stupid beyond words.
They put in the 'people are dying' message from the planet because the audience will wonder why the Queen wants to rush back, instead of waiting it out patiently through poilitcal process.
and that political process is dumb as well, a ruler of a planet goes to the senate and pleads her case, and no-one believes her that her planet has been invaded, instead they listen to a couple of ministers from another planet.
It's absolute rubbish, you cannot hide the invasion of a frickin' planet.
It's just terrible writing all round.

I believe the whole people are dying was a ploy by the trade federation to get her to come back....like they forced the guy to send that transmission to get her to come back.

how do you know what is capable in the Star Wars universe????
They showed us a Senate bogged down in bureaucracy...why is that impossible to believe????
Why wouldnt the invasion be hidden????

[roach]

The Solo Adventures was shown a few weeks ago at the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, Florida where it was an audience favorite and won a Best Animation prize. This 3D student film, written and directed by Daniel L. Smith and Jeffery Sheetz, was a class project by students at the DAVE School of Digital Arts and Visual Effects in Orlando.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnMxAZjMsI&feature=player_embedded

i was at Celebration when this won the award and Dave Filoni went to visit the school after seeing that (he's the supervising director of clone wars)

[Ipodman]

No equivalent to a good force lightning attack. From what I understand the Jedi don't use it because its power is tempting. As its been said before power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I read somewhere that the Jedi have their own version of Force Lightning, it's called something else and it's of a different colour

[david icke]

I believe the whole people are dying was a ploy by the trade federation to get her to come back....like they forced the guy to send that transmission to get her to come back.

Ok, I could buy that....to an extent, it is still a no-prize answer we have to come up with ourselves for it to make sense, because they do not say that in the movie when we see the Nemoidians with that bearded guy off-transmission. Because, I think Lucas really intended us to believe that 'people were dying', when there is just nothing presented to us to engage our imaginations into believing that. the invasion is very civilised and we don't see any fighting or resistance, the likes of which would entail casualties.


how do you know what is capable in the Star Wars universe????
They showed us a Senate bogged down in bureaucracy...why is that impossible to believe????
Why wouldnt the invasion be hidden????

there is a point where that 'bogged down' plot aspect just defies logic.

You can't hide the invasion of a country on this planet right?
So, how can they possibly hide the invasion of a planet in the Sw universe, when they have much more advanced technology for investigation?

The leader of the planet had just escaped and had shown up in person telling them the planet had been invaded, and that was not good enough even for a couple of ships to be immediately sent to investigate? Not to mention they had already sent two Jedi to investigate the situation, and they had just rescued her from the invasion?!
So, they are all lying, even the trusted Jedi whom the head chancellor sent, and they give the benefit of the doubt to a couple of ministers who are part of the invading force?!
ie The ones who have every reason to lie?!
What does Amidala have to gain by lying? If she is, she will obviously be found out, so she wakes up one day and thinks, 'I'm a bit fed up, I've exhausted all my hairdos and dresses, let's fly over to Coruscant and bs them that the planet has been invaded. Tell those Jedi to back me up on that and I will give them full use of my hairdresser and wardrobe for a month for makeovers.'

[Obi-Ron]

That explains Obi's mullet...

[Doctor Jones]

His mullet was full of win.

[venom892]

Have any of you seen this yet?A bit pricey but pretty cool.http://www.amazon.com/Jedi-Path-Manual-Students-Force/dp/1603800964/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283627466&sr=1-1
Check out the videos

[Paradox1]

I read somewhere that the Jedi have their own version of Force Lightning, it's called something else and it's of a different colour

Nope the jedi and the Sith have same access to the force they just have different philosophical differences on how its used. I think the different color lightning happened in the EU where Luke shot lightning and it was green.

[david icke]

I think the different color lightning happened in the EU where Luke shot lightning and it was green.

and he shot it out of his nose.

[Bim]

That explains Obi's mullet...
I laughed :hehe:

[Hellion]

Have any of you seen this yet?A bit pricey but pretty cool.http://www.amazon.com/Jedi-Path-Manual-Students-Force/dp/1603800964/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283627466&sr=1-1
Check out the videos

Awesome, they should do a Sith Companion piece...

[Spider-Vader]

A show after ROTJ focused on Han, Chewie, 3PO & Leia would be pretty sick, or a show focused on Han & Chewie before ANH.

Hopefully Lucas will switch to one of those eras when Clone Wars is done.

[Colossal Spoons]

No, Episodes VII-IX are not in the works. I might be wrong, but the only ("only") Star Wars projects Lucas is involved with are the Clone Wars series and the upcoming live action show.

Shame too, cuz I'd totally bo down for another 3 movies. I'm not in the "The 1st 3 are the only good ones" club :whatever:

[Ipodman]

Isnt there a comic book series based on Han Solo and Leia's kid???

[Colossal Spoons]

There's so much EU stuff out there, I'm sure it's been covered

[Kurosawa]

A show after ROTJ focused on Han, Chewie, 3PO & Leia would be pretty sick, or a show focused on Han & Chewie before ANH.

Hopefully Lucas will switch to one of those eras when Clone Wars is done.

More interested in Luke's adventures, but I'd like to see everyone really.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Luke and Han shows would be awesome. And although I like Han more than Luke, I think a post ROTJ Luke show would be more entertaining.

[Ipodman]

Funny how most people like Han more than Luke. It's not just because he is Indiana Jones is it?

[Rain Dog]

lol, it's just 'cuz he's the lovable smartass

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Han's just the better character. Plus he's gets all the cool lines.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

"Watch your mouth, boy, or you'll find yourself floating home!"

[Randal Graves]

Funny how most people like Han more than Luke. It's not just because he is Indiana Jones is it?
It's because he's a badass.

[Kurosawa]

Luke is a far better character than Han to me, but Han is more accessible to people I guess. Han is more of a smartass than a badass IMO. At least by the end of ROTJ when Luke is pretty much the man.

[Ipodman]

I like the scene in A New Hope where Han is talking into the computer or something and he's trying to act professional, but when he realises he cant do it, he's like "screw it" LOL. Cracks me up every time.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, love that bit.

[spider-neil]

I would have liked to have seen further adventures with the likes of luke, the princess, han and chewy but didn't mind that lucas focused on other characters.

the franchise is 'star wars' which suggests a whole universe of adventures rather than 'star war' which would suggest an adventure confined to a single galaxy so exploring that universe is fine, so my problem wasn't lucas focusing on new characters, my problem was those new characters were dull with no personality (imho).

[spidey-dude]

Funny how most people like Han more than Luke. It's not just because he is Indiana Jones is it?

probably because luke is a whiny little git

despite loving star wars i never really liked luke

[Ipodman]

Han also has a fury sidekick

[Bim]

Isnt there a comic book series based on Han Solo and Leia's kid???
There's books that cover that timeline, no idea about comic books, but most likely yeah. I dont like some of what happened in those post ROTJ novels though :csad:

[Ipodman]

I'm curious where to go to find out about Han and Leia's kid because as people above have mentioned, Han is a cool character... so his kid must be nuts right?

[Yodaman]

I'm curious where to go to find out about Han and Leia's kid because as people above have mentioned, Han is a cool character... so his kid must be nuts right?

His eldest son becomes a Sith Lord, so you're more right than you know.

[Doctor Jones]

I really couldn't care less about what happens post ROTJ. I'm more interested in things that happen thousands of years after ROTJ. Now that is interesting.

[Ipodman]

If I'm not wrong, I also believe theres a comic book where Leia picks up a lightsaber and goes all badass too.

[Yodaman]

^I'm pretty sure that's Infinities: Empire Strikes Back, which is a What If? story about what would happen if Luke died when the Wampa attacked him.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I like the scene in A New Hope where Han is talking into the computer or something and he's trying to act professional, but when he realises he cant do it, he's like "screw it" LOL. Cracks me up every time.

"We're all fine. Perfectly all right now thank you. How are you?"

and then the face he makes :woot:

Han is awesome

[Monsieur Xavier]

I really couldn't care less about what happens post ROTJ. I'm more interested in things that happen thousands of years after ROTJ. Now that is interesting.

Hi,

You should give a try to the Thrawn saga ( taking place few times after ROTJ ), it is really good stuff and Thrawn is almost ( almost ) as great as Vader.

[Doctor Jones]

Eh, I have no interest in Thrawn or any of that. But thanks for the reccomendation anyway.

[Rain Dog]

If I'm not wrong, I also believe theres a comic book where Leia picks up a lightsaber and goes all badass too.


There's probably a bunch of those, probably during the Dark Empire series. And which of Han's kids are you talking about? He has like 3 of 'em.

[Bim]

Eh, I have no interest in Thrawn or any of that. But thanks for the reccomendation anyway.
Actually, the Thrawn Trilogy is the best post ROTJ storyline i`ve ever read imo, so i also must recommend u these :cwink:. If ur gonna read anything, read that. The NJO is full of pain though, so much so i never finished it :csad:

And yeah, Han and Leia have three kids in EU: Jaina and Jacen (twins) and little Anakin.

[roach]

Actually, the Thrawn Trilogy is the best post ROTJ storyline i`ve ever read imo, so i also must recommend u these :cwink:. If ur gonna read anything, read that. The NJO is full of pain though, so much so i never finished it :csad:

And yeah, Han and Leia have three kids in EU: Jaina and Jacen (twins) and little Anakin.

I love NJO..yeah alot of people died but I enjoyed it....as I also enjoyed Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi

There is a comic series called Legacy that takes place 125 years after ROTJ that stars Cade Skywalker

[Monsieur Xavier]

Eh, I have no interest in Thrawn or any of that. But thanks for the reccomendation anyway.

Like another poster said ( Bim ) , it is the best book post ROTJ, it is well written and the story is great.
You encounter character like Mara Jade( The Hand of the Emperor ), Talon Karde ( a smuggler ), the Nogri race, you learn about the Sparti cloning tank

/jedi wave Really you should try it.

[al35077]

I agree it's one of the best book trilogies out there

[Doctor Jones]

Chewie died post ROTJ. Whoever had that idea sucks.

I might check the books out. I don't read books much anymore, and I haven't read a SW novel in ages. Are the Shadow of the Empire books any good?

[VenomVsSpidey]

last I remembered, there's only one, and I love it, prince xizor ftw :up:

[roach]

i was shocked by Chewie's death but they used it to advance Han's story arc and Leia and Han got closer thru it...it also upped the stakes...you knew no one was safe....Chewie died a hero

[Bim]

Chewie died post ROTJ. Whoever had that idea sucks.

I might check the books out. I don't read books much anymore, and I haven't read a SW novel in ages. Are the Shadow of the Empire books any good?
Yeah they killed Chewie in NJO :csad:. He died a hero but it still sucks :cmad:

Shadows of the Empire is another must read in my opinion. Very cool book and there was a cool soundtrack released for it too. Another one of my favorites. I`ll also have to recommend the Han Solo trilogy, another great series :awesome:

[Doctor Jones]

I wiki'd the Solo trilogy a while back.

They should publish more Han Solo adventure novels I tells ya. I'd read them like there was no tomorrow.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I also recommend reading the X-wing series. :up: There are nine books in the series but man... its awesome. I, Jedi is also a good read too.

[Ipodman]

There's probably a bunch of those, probably during the Dark Empire series. And which of Han's kids are you talking about? He has like 3 of 'em.

I dont know really. Im guessing Jacen.

[ross2287]

Yeah they killed Chewie in NJO :csad:. He died a hero but it still sucks :cmad:

Shadows of the Empire is another must read in my opinion. Very cool book and there was a cool soundtrack released for it too. Another one of my favorites. I`ll also have to recommend the Han Solo trilogy, another great series :awesome:

The game for the N64 was also awesome. I wish that was available in the wii marketplace. :csad:

[Hellion]

last I remembered, there's only one, and I love it, prince xizor ftw :up:


Wasn't there a story that was sorta a sequel-ish? Focusing on Guri and Xizor's niece or something...

[Yodaman]

EDIT: Yeah you're right, it's about her.

There was a comic sequel called Shadows of the Empire: Evolution. I never read it, but the general consensus is that it's a dud.

[bullets]

The Solo Adventures was shown a few weeks ago at the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, Florida where it was an audience favorite and won a Best Animation prize. This 3D student film, written and directed by Daniel L. Smith and Jeffery Sheetz, was a class project by students at the DAVE School of Digital Arts and Visual Effects in Orlando.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVnMxAZjMsI&feature=player_embedded


I always thought Han Solo adventures might be a good idea but that was better thna I expected. I hope Lucas can follow suit with something.

[Hellion]

EDIT: Yeah you're right, it's about her.

There was a comic sequel called Shadows of the Empire: Evolution. I never read it, but the general consensus is that it's a dud.

Follow ups are never as good as the originals...lol...I didn't even know about it till like last year.........ditto, I heard it was bad too...

...Whats everyones favorite Star Wars multimedia project......As much as I love Shadows of the Empire, I love the Clone Wars more, I remember being psyched for the first Clone Wars cartoon......and it introduced me to one of my favorite Star Wars characters Asajj Ventress:hrt:

...haven't read or played TFU...its on my to-do list...

[echostation]

I find it also another really stupid idea that in the expanded universe Luke was charged with some crime of desecration and he was sent off to some distant planet with his son following him. And he's never heard from again... i mean THAT's the fate the leave to one of the greatest heroes/characters in entertainment history... that makes no sense whatsoever... It's almost sadly Dunesque...

Later he just appears as a force ghost to Cade Skywalker decades later. I mean I really feel they didn't do justice to the character at all, they could have at LEAST given him somewhat of a happy ending

They kill Mara his wife, and then banish him... how stupid.

[Rain Dog]

I find it also another really stupid idea that in the expanded universe Luke was charged with some crime of desecration and he was sent off to some distant planet with his son following him. And he's never heard from again... i mean THAT's the fate the leave to one of the greatest heroes/characters in entertainment history... that makes no sense whatsoever... It's almost sadly Dunesque...

Later he just appears as a force ghost to Cade Skywalker decades later. I mean I really feel they didn't do justice to the character at all, they could have at LEAST given him somewhat of a happy ending

They kill Mara his wife, and then banish him... how stupid.

wtf? Are you sure that isn't some currently on-going, unfinished storyline? That ending is just awful :csad:

[DarKJediKnight]

It's an unfinished storyline.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fate_of_the_Jedi

[roach]

The books take place in the fictional Star Wars universe starting two years after the events of the Legacy of the Force novels and are set in the Legacy era. The novels recount the events surround three main storylines. The first is Luke Skywalker's quest to discover why his nephew Jacen Solo fell to the dark side and became the Sith Lord Darth Caedus. The second concerns a growing schism between the Galactic Alliance and Jedi Order, caused when numerous Jedi are infected by a strange force-based psychosis. The third involves the appearance of and action of a 'Lost Tribe' of Sith to who have until recently been isolated from the rest of the galaxy for thousands of years, and to whom the Rule of Two does not apply. Fate of the Jedi is a series which focuses on these three events as they begin to intertwine and influence each other.


and its a pretty good series

[Kurosawa]

I really couldn't care less about what happens post ROTJ. I'm more interested in things that happen thousands of years after ROTJ. Now that is interesting.

I just can't look at any of the post-ROTJ EU as legit and I know if Lucas ever does anything with the time right after ROTJ he'll just contradict all of it anyway.

[roach]

i look at all the EU stuff as "What-ifs"

[al35077]

It's all in comtinuity. george lucas approves all of the major plot lines

[Doctor Jones]

But someday, it will all be redone I think. Some major stuff. There's just so much stuff I don't like about it all. The Skywalker story ended at ROTJ. I say focus on other stories. Leia and Han as a married couple? I couldn't care less about that. Their kids too.

[roach]

But someday, it will all be redone I think. Some major stuff. There's just so much stuff I don't like about it all. The Skywalker story ended at ROTJ. I say focus on other stories. Leia and Han as a married couple? I couldn't care less about that. Their kids too.

you dont like the idea or you dont like whats done with them....because the stories are pretty cool

[Crockett]

I found some of the stories during the KotOR era very interesting. One of the character I like is Darth Bane. There's this Darth Bane trilogy books about him but I have only read the first one, Path of Destruction.

[Bim]

But someday, it will all be redone I think. Some major stuff. There's just so much stuff I don't like about it all. The Skywalker story ended at ROTJ. I say focus on other stories. Leia and Han as a married couple? I couldn't care less about that. Their kids too.
Yeah i gotta agree with this. Most of the post-ROTJ stuff is just not good imo. I`d rather they go even further back in time and not forward for new stories.

Croc-kett: i also read Path of Destruction, really cool book. I`m in the middle of Rule of Two right now. I got all three books as a present but just havent been able to finish them yet.

[Iron_Stark]

Chewbacca never died! :cmad::argh:

[roach]

Yeah i gotta agree with this. Most of the post-ROTJ stuff is just not good imo. I`d rather they go even further back in time and not forward for new stories.

Croc-kett: i also read Path of Destruction, really cool book. I`m in the middle of Rule of Two right now. I got all three books as a present but just havent been able to finish them yet.

but people love Han, Luke and Leia and want to see further stories with them. I enjoy reading about Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order and trying not to make the same mistakes as the Jedi Order before them, Leia rebuilding the New Republic and dealing with the Imperial Remnant, raising Jedi children and Han.
I cant get enough of these stories. I loved NJO. I read all of Legacy of the force in one siting. I am currently getting caught up on Fate of the Jedi.
I felt sad when Chewie died and was excited when Luke named his son Ben.

[Doctor Jones]

Even before I knew he named his son Ben, I always figured he would name his son that.

[Doctor Jones]

you dont like the idea or you dont like whats done with them....because the stories are pretty cool

Both.

I don't know, I'd be more open to them if they were better stories maybe. Or hell, I just don't care afterwards.

Thousands of years post ROTJ is more interesting. There's tons of potential. They need to make a video game after that.

[Bim]

Chewbacca never died! :cmad::argh:
Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

Roach: i love those characters too, but i just wish they would come up with different stuff for them. I just dont know what else they could do to them besides making children die or have someone go to the darkside. I somewhat enjoyed the Yuuzhan Vong storyline, just because it was something original at least, even if a bunch of people had to die in the process :oldrazz:. But i just dont want to see them go throw the same plot with only the names changing.

[DCW]

I found some of the stories during the KotOR era very interesting. One of the character I like is Darth Bane. There's this Darth Bane trilogy books about him but I have only read the first one, Path of Destruction.

That trilogy is awesome but the first one is the best of the bunch in my opinion.

Chewbacca never died! :cmad::argh:

:up:

:dry: at Chewie dying.

[roach]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

Roach: i love those characters too, but i just wish they would come up with different stuff for them. I just dont know what else they could do to them besides making children die or have someone go to the darkside. I somewhat enjoyed the Yuuzhan Vong storyline, just because it was something original at least, even if a bunch of people had to die in the process :oldrazz:. But i just dont want to see them go throw the same plot with only the names changing.

but i dont see it as the same plot as before. In Fate of the Jedi Luke has discovered a sect of Sith who dont believe in the rule of two and are making things bad of the Jedi

[Kurosawa]

Even before I knew he named his son Ben, I always figured he would name his son that.

See, I never thought that because I had a feeling from ROTJ, even before the prequels, that Jedi weren't really supposed to marry or have kids. I don't know exactly what made me feel that way, but I seem to have been more or less right, EU notwithstanding. Of course they changed the rules after that, which may have been a good idea.

In other words, I got the feeling from ROTJ that Luke was more or less celibate as of that movie, and therefore wouldn't be getting married, having kids, etc.

[blksuperman2]

See, I never thought that because I had a feeling from ROTJ, even before the prequels, that Jedi weren't really supposed to marry or have kids. I don't know exactly what made me feel that way, but I seem to have been more or less right, EU notwithstanding. Of course they changed the rules after that, which may have been a good idea.

In other words, I got the feeling from ROTJ that Luke was more or less celibate as of that movie, and therefore wouldn't be getting married, having kids, etc.

I thought that too. It seemed like Luke being born to a Jedi was extremely rare or something. I also pictured that the Jedi were like monks who were very disciplined and didn't fall for the lust of the flesh.:woot:

[Kurosawa]

I thought that too. It seemed like Luke being born to a Jedi was extremely rare or something. I also pictured that the Jedi were like monks who were very disciplined and didn't fall for the lust of the flesh.:woot:

Yep, and the movies did pretty much prove that out. And the one who did-well, we see what that led to. So clearly they had rules against attachments for very good reasons. Like, it would get them all killed reasons for one.

[Paradox1]

What I find funny ironic is that the Jedi turn to the darkside when they fall in love while the Sith turn back for love.

[Hush]

I have begun to watch Clone Wars with my bro and we are starting Disc three tomorrow. The Lair Of Grievous was a fantastic episode.

[JustABill]

I've never read any of the EU, but from what I hear about how Chewie died in it. I can dig it, I know he's a cool character, but cool characters die all the time in other things.

[roach]

See, I never thought that because I had a feeling from ROTJ, even before the prequels, that Jedi weren't really supposed to marry or have kids. I don't know exactly what made me feel that way, but I seem to have been more or less right, EU notwithstanding. Of course they changed the rules after that, which may have been a good idea.

In other words, I got the feeling from ROTJ that Luke was more or less celibate as of that movie, and therefore wouldn't be getting married, having kids, etc.

well to be honest there wasnt another woman presented in the Original Trilogy for Luke to be interested in. Luke did away with the no kids or marriage rule because they needed to bolster the Jedi ranks...its easier to have kids than searching the galaxy for force sensatives

[Ipodman]

I am wondering... Was Darth Vader ever intended to be Luke's father when they were making the first Star Wars? Because I have read that SW was supposed to be only one movie and thats it.

[Bim]

What I find funny ironic is that the Jedi turn to the darkside when they fall in love while the Sith turn back for love.
Never thought of it that way, but indeed it's very ironic. To be fair the only one who seemed to turn for "love" was Anakin. Dooku was just greedy imo, and i dunno much about the motives for the other siths :o

[Erzengel]

I am wondering... Was Darth Vader ever intended to be Luke's father when they were making the first Star Wars? Because I have read that SW was supposed to be only one movie and thats it.
From the interviews I heard of Lucas, he had a pretty big opus of a story and thought the middle part was the most interesting which is why he made Episode IV first.

Maybe I'm reading too much into the expressions but when Beru and Owen exchange looks after Luke mentions Obi-Wan and before Obi-Wan tells Luke how his father dies, there's almost a reluctance to tell him the truth.

[roach]

Go watch ANH and watch how Obi wan answers the question about his father...he shifts around and looks like he doesnt want to tell the tale

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I am wondering... Was Darth Vader ever intended to be Luke's father when they were making the first Star Wars? Because I have read that SW was supposed to be only one movie and thats it.
I'd say no. Back in 1977, Darth Vader very well could have been just an actual name, not a title. So many things for the saga have changed over the years. Originally, "Mace Windy" was going to narrate the entire first movie.


Maybe I'm reading too much into the expressions but when Beru and Owen exchange looks after Luke mentions Obi-Wan and before Obi-Wan tells Luke how his father dies, there's almost a reluctance to tell him the truth.
I think that's just a coincidence.

[danoyse]

Never thought of it that way, but indeed it's very ironic. To be fair the only one who seemed to turn for "love" was Anakin. Dooku was just greedy imo, and i dunno much about the motives for the other siths :o

One thing I loved about the story of all 6 movies as a whole was that in the prequel era, the Jedi saw love and attachment as a weakness that would lead them to the Dark Side - but in the end it was Anakin's love for his son that saved them all.

[Pink Ranger]

Originally, "Mace Windy" was going to narrate the entire first movie.


I assume he got that name after eating too much Corellian Cabbage.

[roach]

I dont know I think if you look at the way Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen act when talking about his father and then with how Obi wan is acting when he explains what happened...it may not have been that way from the start but I believe at the time of filming ANH Vader was his father.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think it was more of Anakin being very much like Luke, who, to Owen, got wrapped up in a fantasy and actually died as a result.

[david icke]

^Yeah, up until about last year I thought Vader being Luke's father was all part of the plan during the filming of epIV, but someone on another site posted up evidence of an early Empire Strikes Back plot Lucas came up with that did not have the plot point of Vader being Luke's father included in the script, which suggests otherwise. edit: In fact, I'm not sure, but it may not have been part of Leigh Brackett's first script she gave Lucas, which means he did not have that aprt of the plot down when he gave it to her to work from.
I think it was as Blitzkreig Bop says, when Uncle Owen says, 'that's what I'm worried about', it originally meant , 'he's going to go off and die in battle like his father.', and Lucas was fortunate enough not to have typed up anything too specific that he could not change, apart from Obi-Wan's story of course, which he changed to being told from 'a certain point of view.'
There's nothing wrong with that writing method, he was incredibly lucky not to have put anything so specific in the conversations between Beru and Owen that he could not write around though.

[danoyse]

In the ROTJ novelization, Obi-Wan revealed that Owen was actually his brother. I liked that idea so much better than the awkward "I guess I'm your stepbrother," moment in AOTC, but they decided not to use it in the prequels.

[Spider-Who?]

^Yeah, up until about last year I thought Vader being Luke's father was all part of the plan during the filming of epIV, but someone on another site posted up evidence of an early Empire Strikes Back plot Lucas came up with that did not have the plot point of Vader being Luke's father included in the script, which suggests otherwise. edit: In fact, I'm not sure, but it may not have been part of Leigh Brackett's first script she gave Lucas, which means he did not have that aprt of the plot down when he gave it to her to work from.
I think it was as Blitzkreig Bop says, when Uncle Owen says, 'that's what I'm worried about', it originally meant , 'he's going to go off and die in battle like his father.', and Lucas was fortunate enough not to have typed up anything too specific that he could not change, apart from Obi-Wan's story of course, which he changed to being told from 'a certain point of view.'
There's nothing wrong with that writing method, he was incredibly lucky not to have put anything so specific in the conversations between Beru and Owen that he could not write around though.

well, bare in mind that Lucas hid that portion of the script to avoid spoilers; heck, Mark Hamill didn't even know until they went to shoot the scene.

[Spider-Vader]

I am wondering... Was Darth Vader ever intended to be Luke's father when they were making the first Star Wars? Because I have read that SW was supposed to be only one movie and thats it.

Star Wars was originally going to be one movie with all the big events of the OT happening in it.

[Doctor Jones]

We won't know for sure until the making of ESB is released. Which should be soon here in October.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The "From a certain point of view" scene is solid evidence that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were never the same person from the start. At some point between the release of The Empire Strikes Back and the writing of Return of the Jedi, Lucas must have figured that the father/son angle was the best and only way to go, as if Vader had been lying, it would have been a huge cop out. But he knew that he was in trouble, since Obi-Wan deliberately states that Anakin and Vader were two different people. "A young jedi, named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil...He betrayed and murdered your father...Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force." So he wrote some speech for Obi-Wan to say, which was basically, "Well...when I said he murdered your dad, I really meant he became a huge jerk and started calling himself by some nickname."

As for Luke and Leia? They were never related up until Lucas was forced to make them so. In Episode V, Yoda says, "No. There is another." He admittedly wrote that line because he was simply "stuck." So he wrote yet another ambiguous line, one that hinted towards someone else who had the potential to save the galaxy. But bringing in a character that big that late in the game would have been too much, so Leia was made Luke's sister. However, Leia's potential was never reached in ROTJ, making that one of the biggest mistakes from the whole saga.

[marvelrobbins]

George Lucas In his original Script(which was later split Into 3 parts for the original trilogy) vader was not Anakin Skywalker.It Is unclear rather he decided of vader as Luke's father as he was working on what become A new Hope script and rough backstory
outline or after Star Wars came out.

[BenReilly]

We won't know for sure until the making of ESB is released. Which should be soon here in October.

If you read The Secret History of Star Wars, it goes into great detail on exactly when Lucas decided Vader would be Luke's father. According to the author of the book, it was in 1978, when Lucas took over the writing duties for Empire, after Leigh Brackett passed away. Up until that point, Father Skywalker and Darth Vader were two separate characters.

[Bim]

We won't know for sure until the making of ESB is released. Which should be soon here in October.
Unless it gets pushed back... again :argh:

But yeah, i know Lucas had the whole Vader was Luke`s father reveal under wraps (if i remember right he had only told Kershner), and they only told Mark when they were almost shooting the scene. In the script Vader said Obi-Wan had killed Luke`s father, but that was just a cover. I remember in one interview with james Earl Jones, he though Vader was lying :hehe:

As to how far into the story Lucas decided Vader would be Luke`s father, i have no clue. Like Doctor Jones said, hopefully the Making of ESB book will give us an official answer.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

But yeah, i know Lucas had the whole Vader was Luke`s father reveal under wraps (if i remember right he had only told Kershner), and they only told Mark when they were almost shooting the scene. In the script Vader said Obi-Wan had killed Luke`s father, but that was just a cover. I remember in one interview with james Earl Jones, he though Vader was lying :hehe:

Kershner, Kasdan, and Gary Kurtz were told, while Hamill was told to ignore what Prowse was saying and just react to it.

"Vader kills Luke's father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That's why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it's a breathing mask. It's like a walking iron lung."
-George Lucas 1977

[Hush]

I have read that Hamill wasnt aware that Vader was his on screen father til seeing the finished product in the theater.

[Doctor Jones]

Nah, I believe he found out when they filmed the scene. He knew when they filmed it.

[Ipodman]

Star Wars was originally going to be one movie with all the big events of the OT happening in it.

Really? I assumed by "one movie" it meant the events in ANH and thats it

Another question is did Lucas intentionally start from the middle of the saga, or did he thought up the prequels as he went along. Because if it was planned from the beginning, why is there such a large time gap between the two trilogies?

[danoyse]

I have read that Hamill wasnt aware that Vader was his on screen father til seeing the finished product in the theater.

Mark Hamill was told just before they filmed the scene, so he could react to it properly. David Prowse was the one who wasn't told - he told Luke that Obi-Wan killed Luke's father instead, and James Earl Jones recorded the correct dialogue later. Prowse found out about it at the premiere.

[Spider-Vader]

Really? I assumed by "one movie" it meant the events in ANH and thats it

Another question is did Lucas intentionally start from the middle of the saga, or did he thought up the prequels as he went along. Because if it was planned from the beginning, why is there such a large time gap between the two trilogies?

Nope, something very similar to the Battle of Endor would of happened except with Wookiees.

[Ipodman]

That always puzzled me too, because the purpose of the Ewoks was similar to the Wookies right... cute bear like things

[Rain Dog]

That always puzzled me too, because the purpose of the Ewoks was similar to the Wookies right... cute bear like things

They were originally supposed to be Wookiees but Lucas wanted the Empire to be defeated by a primitive race and since Chewie co-piloted the Falcon and used a gun, he had already established the Wookiees were adept with technology, so that idea was scrapped. And then he basically cut the Wookiees in half and swapped the syllables in their name.

[Ipodman]

Oh I see.

Also Wookies can't sing. Can they?

[Rain Dog]

lol I dunno. I guess in their own weird way they could. I'd imagine it'd sound horrible lol

[Hush]

Oh yeah I knew someone was in the dark the whole time. Wasn't Prowse unaware of the dubbing over of his voice aswell? He really got screwed, haha.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Oh yeah I knew someone was in the dark the whole time. Wasn't Prowse unaware of the dubbing over of his voice aswell? He really got screwed, haha.
I don't think he minded it too much, since for the first two movies, he was the only guy to get a credit for being Darth Vader. So, as far as the general public knows, he was the man in the suit and the voice as well. He also had his fun with it sometimes in the second and third installments by giving joke lines, knowing they wouldn't be used. He did however say he would have acted his part differently had he known Vader was revealing to Luke they were father and son in that particular scene.

[Ipodman]

So the twist was a secret even to the cast eh?

[Bim]

So the twist was a secret even to the cast eh?
Yeah. I`ve always wondered if he would have been able to get away with such a big twist if ESB was made today.

[Iron_Stark]

Oh I see.

Also Wookies can't sing. Can they?

IIRC, they were singing in the Christmas special.

[roach]

Yeah. I`ve always wondered if he would have been able to get away with such a big twist if ESB was made today.

nope because someone would have leaked it out...

[roach]

IIRC, they were singing in the Christmas special.

do they celebrate christmas on the wookie homeworld

[Kurosawa]

They have Life Day, from the infamous Holiday Special.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Day

[Bim]

Aaah the Holiday Special :hehe:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I cannot believe I just got blocked on youtube for making fun of one of those star wars prequel bashers who insist on lucas raping their childhood. :dry:

[roach]

I cannot believe I just got blocked on youtube for making fun of one of those star wars prequel bashers who insist on lucas raping their childhood. :dry:

i have found that people who want to argue about the prequels arent interested in debating the issues

[VenomVsSpidey]

i have found that people who want to argue about the prequels arent interested in debating the issues

Yeah, I got into it with him a couple times before and admitted that while the PT has faults, the OT does also.

Course, he's right and all, cause they're the worst movies evar!!1!11:doh:

[roach]

Yeah, I got into it with him a couple times before and admitted that while the PT has faults, the OT does also.

Course, he's right and all, cause they're the worst movies evar!!1!11:doh:

exactly...as much as people complain about Jar Jar i bring up C3PO...all he did was ****** and complain for 3 movies

[VenomVsSpidey]

:up:

also in the prequels too :oldrazz:

[Monsieur Xavier]

exactly...as much as people complain about Jar Jar i bring up C3PO...all he did was ****** and complain for 3 movies

C3PO is a paramount of subtle humor next to Jar Jar, sorry.
C3PO may complain a lot but he is never stupid, with R2 they are the Lorel and Hardy of StarWars, Jar Jar is nothing but a badly written character.

[Eggyman]

Someone defending Jar Jar by putting down 3PO?

Bloody savages.

[roach]

Someone defending Jar Jar by putting down 3PO?

Bloody savages.

not putting 3PO down...just trying to make people realize that most of the complaints about the prequels are there in the originals

[bullets]

I cannot believe I just got blocked on youtube for making fun of one of those star wars prequel bashers who insist on lucas raping their childhood. :dry:


Well at least enough people saw it to flag you apparently , is that why it was taken down/blocked?

[VenomVsSpidey]

Well at least enough people saw it to flag you apparently , is that why it was taken down/blocked?

nahh, the owner did it. his exact comment was "Wow, another hardcore prequel fan boy who doesn't know the meaning of the word "reasonable". Consider yourself blocked."


All I had said was "OMG THIS IS SO FUNNY AND ORIGINAL :DDDDD....wait, no it isn't"

[Monsieur Xavier]

not putting 3PO down...just trying to make people realize that most of the complaints about the prequels are there in the originals

You mean the bad scripts and the lack of charismatic character ? :)
The OT isn't perfect but it works very well even 30 years later, the PT has too many flaws that overcome the "Ok" parts.