Discussion: Gay Rights II

[Mister Sinister]

Note to all: before you read this post, be aware is is the only one I will make on this topic. If you have honest questions, fell free to PM me...but be advised I will not tolerate bashing.

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What I plainly don't understand is why most anyone who completely disagrees with homosexuality is instantly labeled as being afraid, hateful, or unjustly proud.

I believe homosexuality, at its core, to be nothing more than a twisted perversion of the design which God originally created (monogamous, heterosexual union, in a lifelong, trusting, Godly marriage of spiritual integrity). I don't believe it to be a simple "alternative lifestyle"; I think it's a sin, and what puzzles me is that so many people defend it, yet lash out in anger when a Christian presents his view. I'm aware that many fearful or hateful individuals have given true believers a bad reputation, but that doesn't override the fact that God called it an abombination in His Word, and He did so for a very good moral reason: He wanted to protect us from the ramifications of sin, in all its forms, sexual or otherwise.

So are flavored potato chips, but I don't see you complaining.


It's also very manly of you to drop a bombshell and run off.

[Mister Sinister]

Note to all: before you read this post, be aware is is the only one I will make on this topic. If you have honest questions, fell free to PM me...but be advised I will not tolerate bashing.

* * *

What I plainly don't understand is why most anyone who completely disagrees with homosexuality is instantly labeled as being afraid, hateful, or unjustly proud.

I believe homosexuality, at its core, to be nothing more than a twisted perversion of the design which God originally created (monogamous, heterosexual union, in a lifelong, trusting, Godly marriage of spiritual integrity). I don't believe it to be a simple "alternative lifestyle"; I think it's a sin, and what puzzles me is that so many people defend it, yet lash out in anger when a Christian presents his view. I'm aware that many fearful or hateful individuals have given true believers a bad reputation, but that doesn't override the fact that God called it an abombination in His Word, and He did so for a very good moral reason: He wanted to protect us from the ramifications of sin, in all its forms, sexual or otherwise.

So are flavored potato chips, but I don't see you complaining.


It's also very manly of you to drop a bombshell and run off.

[Dangerous]

I do not hate homophobes.

Interestingly, or more like not so much, I think the distinction of what actually qualifys a person as a homophobe in most peoples eyes- is someone who is anti gay.

That itself is utterly moronic, and it's those people that I do hate.

[Dangerous]

I do not hate homophobes.

Interestingly, or more like not so much, I think the distinction of what actually qualifys a person as a homophobe in most peoples eyes- is someone who is anti gay.

That itself is utterly moronic, and it's those people that I do hate.

[Dangerous]

I do not hate homophobes.

Interestingly, or more like not so much, I think the distinction of what actually qualifys a person as a homophobe in most peoples eyes- is someone who is anti gay.

That itself is utterly moronic, and it's those people that I do hate.

[Captain_BluTac]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol

[Captain_BluTac]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol

[Captain_BluTac]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol

[GoldenAgeHero]

i respect peoples religion. i respect religion enough to try to understand it.

the bible is all about fear. the word "abomination" is meant to instill fear.




god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i respect peoples religion. i respect religion enough to try to understand it.

the bible is all about fear. the word "abomination" is meant to instill fear.




god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i respect peoples religion. i respect religion enough to try to understand it.

the bible is all about fear. the word "abomination" is meant to instill fear.




god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

[Fanticon]

i've been away for a day and just wanted to read everyone's responses...and to reiterate...this thread was not because I wanted to debate about homosexuality...and wether you agree with it or not...but rather...moments in our daily lives in which we are approached by homophobics about something said or something done...some of the UN-gayest of all situations have turned into awkward moments of homophobia...like the examples I listed in my first post...and how this would suddenly make me feel...that I could mention something as innocent as wanting to see a movie because I think the actor is good...and then have someone throw it in my face that I just pointed out that I wanted to see the movie just because of the male lead. These moments...which were definitely not jokes when they happened...made me feel, angry, confused and very f***ing annoyed at how overly homophobic some people can be...and they can't seem to turn it off...they're always on the defensive....this was the original point of the thread....

[Fanticon]

i've been away for a day and just wanted to read everyone's responses...and to reiterate...this thread was not because I wanted to debate about homosexuality...and wether you agree with it or not...but rather...moments in our daily lives in which we are approached by homophobics about something said or something done...some of the UN-gayest of all situations have turned into awkward moments of homophobia...like the examples I listed in my first post...and how this would suddenly make me feel...that I could mention something as innocent as wanting to see a movie because I think the actor is good...and then have someone throw it in my face that I just pointed out that I wanted to see the movie just because of the male lead. These moments...which were definitely not jokes when they happened...made me feel, angry, confused and very f***ing annoyed at how overly homophobic some people can be...and they can't seem to turn it off...they're always on the defensive....this was the original point of the thread....

[Fanticon]

i've been away for a day and just wanted to read everyone's responses...and to reiterate...this thread was not because I wanted to debate about homosexuality...and wether you agree with it or not...but rather...moments in our daily lives in which we are approached by homophobics about something said or something done...some of the UN-gayest of all situations have turned into awkward moments of homophobia...like the examples I listed in my first post...and how this would suddenly make me feel...that I could mention something as innocent as wanting to see a movie because I think the actor is good...and then have someone throw it in my face that I just pointed out that I wanted to see the movie just because of the male lead. These moments...which were definitely not jokes when they happened...made me feel, angry, confused and very f***ing annoyed at how overly homophobic some people can be...and they can't seem to turn it off...they're always on the defensive....this was the original point of the thread....

[bell110]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

Lets put this in perspective. Some people find interracial relationships disgusting. Do you think this makes them racist. These people truely, deep down in their heart are disgusted by the sight of a white woman kissing a black man. The think it's an abomination against God and find passages in the bible to support this. Thoughts?

[bell110]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

Lets put this in perspective. Some people find interracial relationships disgusting. Do you think this makes them racist. These people truely, deep down in their heart are disgusted by the sight of a white woman kissing a black man. The think it's an abomination against God and find passages in the bible to support this. Thoughts?

[bell110]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

Lets put this in perspective. Some people find interracial relationships disgusting. Do you think this makes them racist. These people truely, deep down in their heart are disgusted by the sight of a white woman kissing a black man. The think it's an abomination against God and find passages in the bible to support this. Thoughts?

[pyromaniac]

i am the same way.

i don't agree with homosexuality, but whatever, it doesn't effect me, so i have no problems with people who are gay.

my dad was watching this thing on hbo a week ago or so, it was about a religious group that had protests at funerals of soldiers and stuff, and they celebrated the deaths of our troops in iraq, because america is so open with homosexuality, that this nation is going to hell, and we all deserve to die for living in a nation that accepts homosexuality.

it was rather bothersome seeing how so much hatred could be aimed towards a particular group of people, for no real reason at all really.

i mean, for all the reasons you could hate somebody - they have commited unimaginable, horrible crimes; they have personally done something against you or your family; they sell drugs and infect our children with their poison...

no, let's hate these people that we've never met, who are probably great people, just because they want to kiss the same gender.

it's absolutely ridiculous. i don't like homosexuality, but to hate a person, and judge a person, for an action that doesn't involve anybody except that person (and the person they are with) is absolutely ridiculous.

what ever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged", "love thy neighbor", and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

You'd belong to a class who doesn't have a problem with a gay individual or group but a problem with homosexuality in general. It's not an uncommon view but that always strikes me as inconsistent and a tad paradoxical. Maybe a lot paradoxical.

To say a statement like that belies your actual feelings about a term that only exists by definition, at best, and practiced as attraction, sex and most importantly, love. Not only that, it belies your inexperience and misunderstanding with aforementioned minority and that is quite a reveal - no offence though.

I like to think that if we are all capable of love, that would extend even to homosexuals. It certainly is a lot whole healthier and has produced lasting relationships I know of than repression, oppression and injustice.

And I love seeing straight men so exceedingly comfortable with themselves that they would not let the concept, sight or company of a gay or bisexual man faze 'em. Heck, they'll go far as to be inappropriately affectionate with like minded ilk, because they are keeping it real, and I have friends who are like that. And no, not because when they're drunk. :p

I've been really lucky to never experience direct and personal homophobia but I've always had great friends, family and a great community by which they recognise that happiness is supreme for all, and can take whatever form (pets, children, longer lives, etc).

If and when I do come across homophobia, it won't really bother me because that is their problem, but the greater beauty of that is that my always niggling capable love for mankind overwhelms any counterproductive prejudices I will have about the persecution.

I will never truly hate anyone. It's a waste of outlet, and misdirected.

And to answer this topic's perennial question: I have two words for it, in psychological terms, which makes suddenly so much sense. Social conditioning.

[pyromaniac]

i am the same way.

i don't agree with homosexuality, but whatever, it doesn't effect me, so i have no problems with people who are gay.

my dad was watching this thing on hbo a week ago or so, it was about a religious group that had protests at funerals of soldiers and stuff, and they celebrated the deaths of our troops in iraq, because america is so open with homosexuality, that this nation is going to hell, and we all deserve to die for living in a nation that accepts homosexuality.

it was rather bothersome seeing how so much hatred could be aimed towards a particular group of people, for no real reason at all really.

i mean, for all the reasons you could hate somebody - they have commited unimaginable, horrible crimes; they have personally done something against you or your family; they sell drugs and infect our children with their poison...

no, let's hate these people that we've never met, who are probably great people, just because they want to kiss the same gender.

it's absolutely ridiculous. i don't like homosexuality, but to hate a person, and judge a person, for an action that doesn't involve anybody except that person (and the person they are with) is absolutely ridiculous.

what ever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged", "love thy neighbor", and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

You'd belong to a class who doesn't have a problem with a gay individual or group but a problem with homosexuality in general. It's not an uncommon view but that always strikes me as inconsistent and a tad paradoxical. Maybe a lot paradoxical.

To say a statement like that belies your actual feelings about a term that only exists by definition, at best, and practiced as attraction, sex and most importantly, love. Not only that, it belies your inexperience and misunderstanding with aforementioned minority and that is quite a reveal - no offence though.

I like to think that if we are all capable of love, that would extend even to homosexuals. It certainly is a lot whole healthier and has produced lasting relationships I know of than repression, oppression and injustice.

And I love seeing straight men so exceedingly comfortable with themselves that they would not let the concept, sight or company of a gay or bisexual man faze 'em. Heck, they'll go far as to be inappropriately affectionate with like minded ilk, because they are keeping it real, and I have friends who are like that. And no, not because when they're drunk. :p

I've been really lucky to never experience direct and personal homophobia but I've always had great friends, family and a great community by which they recognise that happiness is supreme for all, and can take whatever form (pets, children, longer lives, etc).

If and when I do come across homophobia, it won't really bother me because that is their problem, but the greater beauty of that is that my always niggling capable love for mankind overwhelms any counterproductive prejudices I will have about the persecution.

I will never truly hate anyone. It's a waste of outlet, and misdirected.

And to answer this topic's perennial question: I have two words for it, in psychological terms, which makes suddenly so much sense. Social conditioning.

[pyromaniac]

i am the same way.

i don't agree with homosexuality, but whatever, it doesn't effect me, so i have no problems with people who are gay.

my dad was watching this thing on hbo a week ago or so, it was about a religious group that had protests at funerals of soldiers and stuff, and they celebrated the deaths of our troops in iraq, because america is so open with homosexuality, that this nation is going to hell, and we all deserve to die for living in a nation that accepts homosexuality.

it was rather bothersome seeing how so much hatred could be aimed towards a particular group of people, for no real reason at all really.

i mean, for all the reasons you could hate somebody - they have commited unimaginable, horrible crimes; they have personally done something against you or your family; they sell drugs and infect our children with their poison...

no, let's hate these people that we've never met, who are probably great people, just because they want to kiss the same gender.

it's absolutely ridiculous. i don't like homosexuality, but to hate a person, and judge a person, for an action that doesn't involve anybody except that person (and the person they are with) is absolutely ridiculous.

what ever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged", "love thy neighbor", and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

You'd belong to a class who doesn't have a problem with a gay individual or group but a problem with homosexuality in general. It's not an uncommon view but that always strikes me as inconsistent and a tad paradoxical. Maybe a lot paradoxical.

To say a statement like that belies your actual feelings about a term that only exists by definition, at best, and practiced as attraction, sex and most importantly, love. Not only that, it belies your inexperience and misunderstanding with aforementioned minority and that is quite a reveal - no offence though.

I like to think that if we are all capable of love, that would extend even to homosexuals. It certainly is a lot whole healthier and has produced lasting relationships I know of than repression, oppression and injustice.

And I love seeing straight men so exceedingly comfortable with themselves that they would not let the concept, sight or company of a gay or bisexual man faze 'em. Heck, they'll go far as to be inappropriately affectionate with like minded ilk, because they are keeping it real, and I have friends who are like that. And no, not because when they're drunk. :p

I've been really lucky to never experience direct and personal homophobia but I've always had great friends, family and a great community by which they recognise that happiness is supreme for all, and can take whatever form (pets, children, longer lives, etc).

If and when I do come across homophobia, it won't really bother me because that is their problem, but the greater beauty of that is that my always niggling capable love for mankind overwhelms any counterproductive prejudices I will have about the persecution.

I will never truly hate anyone. It's a waste of outlet, and misdirected.

And to answer this topic's perennial question: I have two words for it, in psychological terms, which makes suddenly so much sense. Social conditioning.

[pyromaniac]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

There is one thing that have truthfully baffles me and that is the buzzword lifestyle often attached or hand in hand with homosexuality.

What exactly constitutes a lifestyle to you, and more telling, in comparison with a heterosexual lifestyle...?

In regards to Moviefan and a few others of a similar view, I've noted that when he says he believes and as such, that usually means he hasn't gone out to experience, test or enforce said belief because belief is inherently theoretical and that is the ballpark of the comfort zone he finds himself in.

One would argue that that belief is evidenced by God's word and the Bible, but when the latter is so heavily contested the world over (and even among devout Christians, whether heartily or not), you'd have to question the plausibility of this belief in its well rounded presentation. It's a lot different from a faith that is challenged - for better or worse - because it's at least consolidated by actual experience, or trial and tribulation.

I'm rather not surprised to see him pop up on here and expend energy on a subject he knows nothing about, culturally, socially and psychologically. Not much of a belief, other than religious origins and we all know how we feel about that.

[pyromaniac]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

There is one thing that have truthfully baffles me and that is the buzzword lifestyle often attached or hand in hand with homosexuality.

What exactly constitutes a lifestyle to you, and more telling, in comparison with a heterosexual lifestyle...?

In regards to Moviefan and a few others of a similar view, I've noted that when he says he believes and as such, that usually means he hasn't gone out to experience, test or enforce said belief because belief is inherently theoretical and that is the ballpark of the comfort zone he finds himself in.

One would argue that that belief is evidenced by God's word and the Bible, but when the latter is so heavily contested the world over (and even among devout Christians, whether heartily or not), you'd have to question the plausibility of this belief in its well rounded presentation. It's a lot different from a faith that is challenged - for better or worse - because it's at least consolidated by actual experience, or trial and tribulation.

I'm rather not surprised to see him pop up on here and expend energy on a subject he knows nothing about, culturally, socially and psychologically. Not much of a belief, other than religious origins and we all know how we feel about that.

[pyromaniac]

I was kidding about the girl-girl thing. That's why I put it in parentheses and made the face. But maybe it didn't come out right.
Again I think people need to understand, not liking a lifestyle is not being homophobe. Whether people want to believe it or not, unless you truly get rid of all religions it will never truly be accepted. But there are people who have gay friends but just don't like to see certain things.

There is one thing that have truthfully baffles me and that is the buzzword lifestyle often attached or hand in hand with homosexuality.

What exactly constitutes a lifestyle to you, and more telling, in comparison with a heterosexual lifestyle...?

In regards to Moviefan and a few others of a similar view, I've noted that when he says he believes and as such, that usually means he hasn't gone out to experience, test or enforce said belief because belief is inherently theoretical and that is the ballpark of the comfort zone he finds himself in.

One would argue that that belief is evidenced by God's word and the Bible, but when the latter is so heavily contested the world over (and even among devout Christians, whether heartily or not), you'd have to question the plausibility of this belief in its well rounded presentation. It's a lot different from a faith that is challenged - for better or worse - because it's at least consolidated by actual experience, or trial and tribulation.

I'm rather not surprised to see him pop up on here and expend energy on a subject he knows nothing about, culturally, socially and psychologically. Not much of a belief, other than religious origins and we all know how we feel about that.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

[The Apocalypse]

First off...I am straight and happily in a relationship...I have several gay friends, but to be quite honest I've never been one to hate on anyone race, religion or sexual orientation. Its just how I was raised...

I hate racists...but then I feel that hate is too strong of a word...because suddenly I am now categorizing groups of people to hate...racists and homophobes alike.


These are actual examples, and heres why I wanted to vent...a few of my co-workers say some pretty ridiculously homophobic crap and react in a way that eventually makes me feel stupid for bringing s#!t up around them...even something as innocent as repeating a bit that I saw a stand up comic perform, whether it was imitating a woman or an observational gay joke. Even once when I was asked about a recent episode of a reality tv show, I repeated something a gay contestant said, the co-worker continued to joke with me as if it were my own words...he's 30yrs old. College educated...decent guy...it baffles me.

and heres the two best most recent incidents:

We were talking about comic con and some of the celebs we bumped into on different days...I was jealous because one guy met and snapped a picture with Olivia Munn (from G4's Attack of The Show) and then I mentioned I also wanted to meet Kevin Perera...and whoa....went too far..."You wanted to meet a dude?" and I was like..."do you even watch the show...I think that guy is hilarious...yeah it would've been cool." And he was dead serious....adamant about..."sorry I'm not trying to get all excited about meeting a guy"

Over the weekend...a different employee and I were talking about movies and I mentioned that I got Superbad on DVD for xmas...
his response:
"That movie sucked...I went to the theaters to see it and then the dude starts drawing pictures of d*cks so I got up and left."

Are you joking?! I hate when I hear guys talk like this...like their too proud or something...it makes you want to reach out, grab em by the shoulders and shake them in a cartoon-ish manner. In their heads...we're gay for watching Superbad and laughing at that scene. These guys are morons...not homophobic at all...their idiots.

your thoughts...have a similar story? I don't even know how to talk these dudes anymore...its pointless.

Wow..thats way too homophobic.

[The Apocalypse]

First off...I am straight and happily in a relationship...I have several gay friends, but to be quite honest I've never been one to hate on anyone race, religion or sexual orientation. Its just how I was raised...

I hate racists...but then I feel that hate is too strong of a word...because suddenly I am now categorizing groups of people to hate...racists and homophobes alike.


These are actual examples, and heres why I wanted to vent...a few of my co-workers say some pretty ridiculously homophobic crap and react in a way that eventually makes me feel stupid for bringing s#!t up around them...even something as innocent as repeating a bit that I saw a stand up comic perform, whether it was imitating a woman or an observational gay joke. Even once when I was asked about a recent episode of a reality tv show, I repeated something a gay contestant said, the co-worker continued to joke with me as if it were my own words...he's 30yrs old. College educated...decent guy...it baffles me.

and heres the two best most recent incidents:

We were talking about comic con and some of the celebs we bumped into on different days...I was jealous because one guy met and snapped a picture with Olivia Munn (from G4's Attack of The Show) and then I mentioned I also wanted to meet Kevin Perera...and whoa....went too far..."You wanted to meet a dude?" and I was like..."do you even watch the show...I think that guy is hilarious...yeah it would've been cool." And he was dead serious....adamant about..."sorry I'm not trying to get all excited about meeting a guy"

Over the weekend...a different employee and I were talking about movies and I mentioned that I got Superbad on DVD for xmas...
his response:
"That movie sucked...I went to the theaters to see it and then the dude starts drawing pictures of d*cks so I got up and left."

Are you joking?! I hate when I hear guys talk like this...like their too proud or something...it makes you want to reach out, grab em by the shoulders and shake them in a cartoon-ish manner. In their heads...we're gay for watching Superbad and laughing at that scene. These guys are morons...not homophobic at all...their idiots.

your thoughts...have a similar story? I don't even know how to talk these dudes anymore...its pointless.

Wow..thats way too homophobic.

[The Apocalypse]

First off...I am straight and happily in a relationship...I have several gay friends, but to be quite honest I've never been one to hate on anyone race, religion or sexual orientation. Its just how I was raised...

I hate racists...but then I feel that hate is too strong of a word...because suddenly I am now categorizing groups of people to hate...racists and homophobes alike.


These are actual examples, and heres why I wanted to vent...a few of my co-workers say some pretty ridiculously homophobic crap and react in a way that eventually makes me feel stupid for bringing s#!t up around them...even something as innocent as repeating a bit that I saw a stand up comic perform, whether it was imitating a woman or an observational gay joke. Even once when I was asked about a recent episode of a reality tv show, I repeated something a gay contestant said, the co-worker continued to joke with me as if it were my own words...he's 30yrs old. College educated...decent guy...it baffles me.

and heres the two best most recent incidents:

We were talking about comic con and some of the celebs we bumped into on different days...I was jealous because one guy met and snapped a picture with Olivia Munn (from G4's Attack of The Show) and then I mentioned I also wanted to meet Kevin Perera...and whoa....went too far..."You wanted to meet a dude?" and I was like..."do you even watch the show...I think that guy is hilarious...yeah it would've been cool." And he was dead serious....adamant about..."sorry I'm not trying to get all excited about meeting a guy"

Over the weekend...a different employee and I were talking about movies and I mentioned that I got Superbad on DVD for xmas...
his response:
"That movie sucked...I went to the theaters to see it and then the dude starts drawing pictures of d*cks so I got up and left."

Are you joking?! I hate when I hear guys talk like this...like their too proud or something...it makes you want to reach out, grab em by the shoulders and shake them in a cartoon-ish manner. In their heads...we're gay for watching Superbad and laughing at that scene. These guys are morons...not homophobic at all...their idiots.

your thoughts...have a similar story? I don't even know how to talk these dudes anymore...its pointless.

Wow..thats way too homophobic.

[pyromaniac]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

There's a difference between disliking a stereotype and disliking a persona as a result of a phobia.

And furthermore, there's a difference between observation, perception, intuition and experience.

[pyromaniac]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

There's a difference between disliking a stereotype and disliking a persona as a result of a phobia.

And furthermore, there's a difference between observation, perception, intuition and experience.

[pyromaniac]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)

There's a difference between disliking a stereotype and disliking a persona as a result of a phobia.

And furthermore, there's a difference between observation, perception, intuition and experience.

[Miss. Eddie]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol


Haha Beanie you twonk!!

Love homophobes? You're gay fcs! Lol, at least people didn't take you srsly, noobie (;

And for me, damn right I hate them!! People are people. Endd. Who cares what team they bat for? Who they worship, what they look like, etc.

I think the only acceptable reason for someone to be a lil homophobic is 'cos they're in denial themselves or whatever, don't know anything about it [although...what's to know!? :huh: ] or are scared or whatever. Which is all bull anyways, but I don't see any other reason for it tbh.

And the whole religion thingy, that you only feel that way 'cos of your religion, if you don't have a problem don't pretend to just 'cos of religion! It shouldn't dictate your life like that! And if you're in a religion that disagrees with it, then why the hell are you in that religion!? I'm lucky, mine is completely open & accepting of everything & everyone. It rawks too much. (:

[Miss. Eddie]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol


Haha Beanie you twonk!!

Love homophobes? You're gay fcs! Lol, at least people didn't take you srsly, noobie (;

And for me, damn right I hate them!! People are people. Endd. Who cares what team they bat for? Who they worship, what they look like, etc.

I think the only acceptable reason for someone to be a lil homophobic is 'cos they're in denial themselves or whatever, don't know anything about it [although...what's to know!? :huh: ] or are scared or whatever. Which is all bull anyways, but I don't see any other reason for it tbh.

And the whole religion thingy, that you only feel that way 'cos of your religion, if you don't have a problem don't pretend to just 'cos of religion! It shouldn't dictate your life like that! And if you're in a religion that disagrees with it, then why the hell are you in that religion!? I'm lucky, mine is completely open & accepting of everything & everyone. It rawks too much. (:

[Miss. Eddie]

I http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/benv-b92/heart.gif homophobes

oh and Mr Socko I've seen that film it's a total rip off of american pie lol


Haha Beanie you twonk!!

Love homophobes? You're gay fcs! Lol, at least people didn't take you srsly, noobie (;

And for me, damn right I hate them!! People are people. Endd. Who cares what team they bat for? Who they worship, what they look like, etc.

I think the only acceptable reason for someone to be a lil homophobic is 'cos they're in denial themselves or whatever, don't know anything about it [although...what's to know!? :huh: ] or are scared or whatever. Which is all bull anyways, but I don't see any other reason for it tbh.

And the whole religion thingy, that you only feel that way 'cos of your religion, if you don't have a problem don't pretend to just 'cos of religion! It shouldn't dictate your life like that! And if you're in a religion that disagrees with it, then why the hell are you in that religion!? I'm lucky, mine is completely open & accepting of everything & everyone. It rawks too much. (:

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh you edd thats a secret lols

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh you edd thats a secret lols

[Captain_BluTac]

Oh you edd thats a secret lols

[Docker2.0]

god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

:up: big time. I'm not even about to get into a debate about why I feel like I do. I voiced my opinion, it's not going to change so peeps can question me all they want. I am who I am. :o

[Docker2.0]

god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

:up: big time. I'm not even about to get into a debate about why I feel like I do. I voiced my opinion, it's not going to change so peeps can question me all they want. I am who I am. :o

[Docker2.0]

god is part of the sinestro corps.:wow: jk



oh and i hate people who hate on other people because of how they feel about a certain topic.

:up: big time. I'm not even about to get into a debate about why I feel like I do. I voiced my opinion, it's not going to change so peeps can question me all they want. I am who I am. :o

[FaT_tONle]

Its annoying. But it is just natural to them I guess b/c they are not confident with their own manly hood

[FaT_tONle]

Its annoying. But it is just natural to them I guess b/c they are not confident with their own manly hood

[FaT_tONle]

Its annoying. But it is just natural to them I guess b/c they are not confident with their own manly hood

[terry78]

Point blank, unless you live in a pretty open minded city, most straight men do have an issue with gays. They just do. And usually it's because their buddies do and you know straying from your little clique's mindset is like social leprosy.

[terry78]

Point blank, unless you live in a pretty open minded city, most straight men do have an issue with gays. They just do. And usually it's because their buddies do and you know straying from your little clique's mindset is like social leprosy.

[terry78]

Point blank, unless you live in a pretty open minded city, most straight men do have an issue with gays. They just do. And usually it's because their buddies do and you know straying from your little clique's mindset is like social leprosy.

[Überlibran]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)So if I said I don't like some aspects of white people, that would be totally cool?

[Überlibran]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)So if I said I don't like some aspects of white people, that would be totally cool?

[Überlibran]

If someone has the opinion that they don't like aspects of black people, gays, whatever, that's there prerogative imo, , black people who's always go on about that fact they are black and all things black like a broken black record, rap which promotes gangster type lifestyle, calling each other the N word and females whores or ho or whatever, gay people who act extraordinarily camp, or non gay people as the case may be, that's dislikable.



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)So if I said I don't like some aspects of white people, that would be totally cool?

[LuiECuomo]

This is how I see it: It's okay to dislike and criticize aspects of a group's culture; it's NOT okay to criticize someone simply because they are black, Hispanic, gay, etc. The latter is blatant racism while the former is a matter of simply having an opinion.

[LuiECuomo]

This is how I see it: It's okay to dislike and criticize aspects of a group's culture; it's NOT okay to criticize someone simply because they are black, Hispanic, gay, etc. The latter is blatant racism while the former is a matter of simply having an opinion.

[LuiECuomo]

This is how I see it: It's okay to dislike and criticize aspects of a group's culture; it's NOT okay to criticize someone simply because they are black, Hispanic, gay, etc. The latter is blatant racism while the former is a matter of simply having an opinion.

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080121/stage_nm/jesus_dc

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080121/stage_nm/jesus_dc

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080121/stage_nm/jesus_dc

[jaguarr]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag

[jaguarr]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag

[jaguarr]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The Anglican Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, expressed his outrage at the plot of "Corpus Christi" on Sunday, calling the play "historical nonsense."Mmmm...unlike all the other plays which are 100% historically accurate. :huh:
Were they trying to get this art instated as mandatory school curriculum or something? :huh:

"It is deliberately, not innocently, offensive and they're obviously having a laugh about it," he told the Sun-Herald newspaper.
Having a LAUGH?! :eek:
Oh NoOoOoOEsSs!!
Mustn't have THAT! :eek:
Hahahaha


Despite critical acclaim, the play provoked protests and bomb threats when it was performed in the United States.Heh, yes...how Christlike, "Bomb your neighbor as yourself."

"Pray for your enemies, before you bomb them."

Whoa,
Jesus: "When you’ve done it unto the least of these, you’ve done it unto me.”

So...they also sent bomb threats to...JESUS! :eek:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The Anglican Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, expressed his outrage at the plot of "Corpus Christi" on Sunday, calling the play "historical nonsense."Mmmm...unlike all the other plays which are 100% historically accurate. :huh:
Were they trying to get this art instated as mandatory school curriculum or something? :huh:

"It is deliberately, not innocently, offensive and they're obviously having a laugh about it," he told the Sun-Herald newspaper.
Having a LAUGH?! :eek:
Oh NoOoOoOEsSs!!
Mustn't have THAT! :eek:
Hahahaha


Despite critical acclaim, the play provoked protests and bomb threats when it was performed in the United States.Heh, yes...how Christlike, "Bomb your neighbor as yourself."

"Pray for your enemies, before you bomb them."

Whoa,
Jesus: "When you’ve done it unto the least of these, you’ve done it unto me.”

So...they also sent bomb threats to...JESUS! :eek:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The Anglican Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, expressed his outrage at the plot of "Corpus Christi" on Sunday, calling the play "historical nonsense."Mmmm...unlike all the other plays which are 100% historically accurate. :huh:
Were they trying to get this art instated as mandatory school curriculum or something? :huh:

"It is deliberately, not innocently, offensive and they're obviously having a laugh about it," he told the Sun-Herald newspaper.
Having a LAUGH?! :eek:
Oh NoOoOoOEsSs!!
Mustn't have THAT! :eek:
Hahahaha


Despite critical acclaim, the play provoked protests and bomb threats when it was performed in the United States.Heh, yes...how Christlike, "Bomb your neighbor as yourself."

"Pray for your enemies, before you bomb them."

Whoa,
Jesus: "When you’ve done it unto the least of these, you’ve done it unto me.”

So...they also sent bomb threats to...JESUS! :eek:

[amazingfantasy15]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

[amazingfantasy15]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

[amazingfantasy15]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

[Darthphere]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Pretty much.

[Darthphere]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Pretty much.

[Darthphere]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Pretty much.

[The Senator]

UH OH!

This may spawn a debate of epic proportions...

[The Senator]

UH OH!

This may spawn a debate of epic proportions...

[The Senator]

UH OH!

This may spawn a debate of epic proportions...

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

I don't know the artist and I can't read his mind or know his secret internal motivations.
But some of us like to produce art because we love it, and then, others will be offended by it.

I have plenty of really "offensive" drawings at home that no one will ever see.
But if I decided to share my art with the world, and try to make some money doing what I love instead of at work for someone else, it wouldn't mean that suddenly that art was just designed to get bad publicity.

He wrote the play based on his experiences growing up as a homosexual in Texas, and it was ironic that there are parallels to Jesus' life, so I doubt that it's solely a ploy for publicity.
It's usually both. Life isn't Black and White like that.
Also, the director is a Christian, so he must've seen some merit to it other than, "HaW HaW, AWESOME! We're gonna get a lot of Death Threats now!!"

:huh:


Also, why do people say, "Did he really have to write a play like this?"
Hahaha, no one needs to write any plays.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

I don't know the artist and I can't read his mind or know his secret internal motivations.
But some of us like to produce art because we love it, and then, others will be offended by it.

I have plenty of really "offensive" drawings at home that no one will ever see.
But if I decided to share my art with the world, and try to make some money doing what I love instead of at work for someone else, it wouldn't mean that suddenly that art was just designed to get bad publicity.

He wrote the play based on his experiences growing up as a homosexual in Texas, and it was ironic that there are parallels to Jesus' life, so I doubt that it's solely a ploy for publicity.
It's usually both. Life isn't Black and White like that.
Also, the director is a Christian, so he must've seen some merit to it other than, "HaW HaW, AWESOME! We're gonna get a lot of Death Threats now!!"

:huh:


Also, why do people say, "Did he really have to write a play like this?"
Hahaha, no one needs to write any plays.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

I don't know the artist and I can't read his mind or know his secret internal motivations.
But some of us like to produce art because we love it, and then, others will be offended by it.

I have plenty of really "offensive" drawings at home that no one will ever see.
But if I decided to share my art with the world, and try to make some money doing what I love instead of at work for someone else, it wouldn't mean that suddenly that art was just designed to get bad publicity.

He wrote the play based on his experiences growing up as a homosexual in Texas, and it was ironic that there are parallels to Jesus' life, so I doubt that it's solely a ploy for publicity.
It's usually both. Life isn't Black and White like that.
Also, the director is a Christian, so he must've seen some merit to it other than, "HaW HaW, AWESOME! We're gonna get a lot of Death Threats now!!"

:huh:


Also, why do people say, "Did he really have to write a play like this?"
Hahaha, no one needs to write any plays.

[jaguarr]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag

[jaguarr]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag

[jaguarr]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yep, I love some of those types of artists, some of them, I don't love.
It's a legitimate artistic motivation though.

I'm wondering...tons of people were offended by Mel Gibson's "The Passion".
Are we agreed that he just made that movie because he was a "publicity whore" ?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did he really need to make that movie" ?

:huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yep, I love some of those types of artists, some of them, I don't love.
It's a legitimate artistic motivation though.

I'm wondering...tons of people were offended by Mel Gibson's "The Passion".
Are we agreed that he just made that movie because he was a "publicity whore" ?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did he really need to make that movie" ?

:huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yep, I love some of those types of artists, some of them, I don't love.
It's a legitimate artistic motivation though.

I'm wondering...tons of people were offended by Mel Gibson's "The Passion".
Are we agreed that he just made that movie because he was a "publicity whore" ?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did he really need to make that movie" ?

:huh:

[The Lizard]

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

[The Lizard]

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

[The Lizard]

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

[The Chairman]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

QFT.

[The Chairman]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

QFT.

[The Chairman]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

QFT.

[ShadowBoxing]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag
Yeah I'd have to say this guy went out of his way to create an outlandish piece of art and, well, mission accomplished. I read through the article, it didn't really suggest he was at all surprised by the reaction...in fact it almost sounded as if he got what he wanted out of it. Perhaps the reaction was part of his art all along.

[ShadowBoxing]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag
Yeah I'd have to say this guy went out of his way to create an outlandish piece of art and, well, mission accomplished. I read through the article, it didn't really suggest he was at all surprised by the reaction...in fact it almost sounded as if he got what he wanted out of it. Perhaps the reaction was part of his art all along.

[ShadowBoxing]

To add to what Wil wrote, to some artists, the shock, disgust and generally crazy and vitriolic reactions of the audience to their creations is, in actuality, the art they were looking to create, not the art they were passing off as their creation.

jag
Yeah I'd have to say this guy went out of his way to create an outlandish piece of art and, well, mission accomplished. I read through the article, it didn't really suggest he was at all surprised by the reaction...in fact it almost sounded as if he got what he wanted out of it. Perhaps the reaction was part of his art all along.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

QFT.So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

QFT.So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

QFT.So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

[SoulManX]

Is this really news:huh:

[SoulManX]

Is this really news:huh:

[SoulManX]

Is this really news:huh:

[chaseter]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:
Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

[chaseter]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:
Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

[chaseter]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:
Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

[Danalys]

as the old joke says, well he did hang out with alot of men.

[Danalys]

as the old joke says, well he did hang out with alot of men.

[Danalys]

as the old joke says, well he did hang out with alot of men.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people.

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler?It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people.

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler?It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people.

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler?It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:

[chaseter]

as the old jokes says, well he did hang out with alot of men.
A kid training to be a preacher told me a really bad joke but I still laughed:csad:

Why did Jesus get all the girls?

Because he was so hung:wow: :csad:

[chaseter]

as the old jokes says, well he did hang out with alot of men.
A kid training to be a preacher told me a really bad joke but I still laughed:csad:

Why did Jesus get all the girls?

Because he was so hung:wow: :csad:

[chaseter]

as the old jokes says, well he did hang out with alot of men.
A kid training to be a preacher told me a really bad joke but I still laughed:csad:

Why did Jesus get all the girls?

Because he was so hung:wow: :csad:

[chaseter]

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:
Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:o No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh: Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:

[chaseter]

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:
Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:o No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh: Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:

[chaseter]

"WE" ?

Who's this "We"?

I love a ton of art that "You" would find offensive, and I know for a fact that the artists made it for the love of self-expression and the natural human creative impulse.
And, people have seen the art (thank god), and commented on it...and that publicity has nothing to do with the motivations, despite the fact that it may be welcomed.

Are "We" saying that the motives are suspect, or somehow ignoble, for any piece of art that would offend the majority of people?...or are you people just saying that you know that about this specific artist?...and then, my next question would be, "How do you know?"






It should depend on the play...not just automatically upon the subject matter.

So IF...IF, this guy wanted to write a play about his growing up in Texas as a homosexual, and he thought it was so ironic, to see how closely it paralleled the life of Jesus...there's no way he could incorporate that idea, without it being suddenly a "shameless ploy for publicity through shock value"??

Absurd. :o

Spoken like a true non-artist. :huh:
Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:o No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh: Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:

[amazingfantasy15]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this? I'd say a more accurate connection would be "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "The DaVinci Code" since both those challenge Catholic beliefs. "Passion of Christ" is pretty much accepted as what happened to Jesus when he died, it's how the Bible describes, just in a less brutal fashion. So, if you're asking did I think the "Last Temptation of Christ" and "The DaVinci Code" were written to inflame the Catholic Church? Yes, they were written to inflame the Catholic Church, but also to entertain, like this play.

There's many other ways the author could have written his play showing the hardships he went through as a gay guy in Texas, he chose to involve Jesus, what's one of the Church's big issues these days, gay people, what do they love, Jesus, showing Jesus as gay will piss them off and they always tend to fly off the handle at these things, making a big stink and offering tons of free press to the material, it's not that big of a leap, really.

And before anyone calls me a bible thumping homophobe, 1) I don't really subscribe to teachings of the church these days, I think there's way too many crazies and hypocrites in the fold right now and 2) I don't care whether or not someone's gay, it's their life, they should be able to do what they want.

[amazingfantasy15]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this? I'd say a more accurate connection would be "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "The DaVinci Code" since both those challenge Catholic beliefs. "Passion of Christ" is pretty much accepted as what happened to Jesus when he died, it's how the Bible describes, just in a less brutal fashion. So, if you're asking did I think the "Last Temptation of Christ" and "The DaVinci Code" were written to inflame the Catholic Church? Yes, they were written to inflame the Catholic Church, but also to entertain, like this play.

There's many other ways the author could have written his play showing the hardships he went through as a gay guy in Texas, he chose to involve Jesus, what's one of the Church's big issues these days, gay people, what do they love, Jesus, showing Jesus as gay will piss them off and they always tend to fly off the handle at these things, making a big stink and offering tons of free press to the material, it's not that big of a leap, really.

And before anyone calls me a bible thumping homophobe, 1) I don't really subscribe to teachings of the church these days, I think there's way too many crazies and hypocrites in the fold right now and 2) I don't care whether or not someone's gay, it's their life, they should be able to do what they want.

[amazingfantasy15]

So you would say that no one can legitimately desire to create a work of art involving the concept of "Jesus", and desire to share it with others, unless it paints Jesus in a traditionally accepted, "good" light?

And do you also agree that Mel Gibson only made "The Passion" because he's a publicity whore?...since he knew that it was going to offend a lot of people but he did it anyway?
And what is the answer to the question, "Did Mel really need to make that movie?"

A lot of people are offended when Christians pray at school, or when they sing Christian songs there.
So, are all of these Christians just publicity whores.

I would say, not all of them, possibly some of them...but I am fascinated by af15's and your mind-reading abilities.

Like, most psychics need, at least an article of clothing from the target.
All you guys need is an article on the internet?! :eek:

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this? I'd say a more accurate connection would be "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "The DaVinci Code" since both those challenge Catholic beliefs. "Passion of Christ" is pretty much accepted as what happened to Jesus when he died, it's how the Bible describes, just in a less brutal fashion. So, if you're asking did I think the "Last Temptation of Christ" and "The DaVinci Code" were written to inflame the Catholic Church? Yes, they were written to inflame the Catholic Church, but also to entertain, like this play.

There's many other ways the author could have written his play showing the hardships he went through as a gay guy in Texas, he chose to involve Jesus, what's one of the Church's big issues these days, gay people, what do they love, Jesus, showing Jesus as gay will piss them off and they always tend to fly off the handle at these things, making a big stink and offering tons of free press to the material, it's not that big of a leap, really.

And before anyone calls me a bible thumping homophobe, 1) I don't really subscribe to teachings of the church these days, I think there's way too many crazies and hypocrites in the fold right now and 2) I don't care whether or not someone's gay, it's their life, they should be able to do what they want.

[Addendum]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

[Addendum]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

[Addendum]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

[chaseter]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
That is true:o But if I was a gambling man, which I am:csad: , I would bet he did this to sell more tickets and it will probably work...since all the non-conformists will go see it to non-conform to the conformists not wanting to go see it.:woot:

[chaseter]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
That is true:o But if I was a gambling man, which I am:csad: , I would bet he did this to sell more tickets and it will probably work...since all the non-conformists will go see it to non-conform to the conformists not wanting to go see it.:woot:

[chaseter]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
That is true:o But if I was a gambling man, which I am:csad: , I would bet he did this to sell more tickets and it will probably work...since all the non-conformists will go see it to non-conform to the conformists not wanting to go see it.:woot:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:oUh...no, I'm an actual human being.

No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh:
1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:


Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.



What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:oUh...no, I'm an actual human being.

No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh:
1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:


Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.



What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Your the the non conormist kid from South Park:oUh...no, I'm an actual human being.

No one's life mimicks Jesus':huh:
1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:


Art is more than self expression. Art has a message in it that the artist wants to convey about society, life, politics, etc...Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.



What if I painted a picture of you wearing A&F clothes and attending an all boys polo match? Would that be an accurate portrayal of you or would it just be an outlet for my creativity? Once again, I could poop on a canvas, sprinkle some glitter on it and call it art. Doesn't mean that it is good art, just means it's art. There are even people that murder other people, cut them up, use their blood as paint and call it art. How f-ing sick is that? Or does it fall under artistic self expression:huh:Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.

[amazingfantasy15]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

[amazingfantasy15]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

[amazingfantasy15]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

[The Chairman]

Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

I don't know, I can imagine someone doing a very tasteful portrayal of you wearing A&F clothes at a Boys' Polo Match.

[The Chairman]

Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

I don't know, I can imagine someone doing a very tasteful portrayal of you wearing A&F clothes at a Boys' Polo Match.

[The Chairman]

Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.

I don't know, I can imagine someone doing a very tasteful portrayal of you wearing A&F clothes at a Boys' Polo Match.

[ShadowBoxing]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
Ditto. Ya'know what I think if someone walked up to the ticket booth and told this guy "you're play is offensive, grossly historically inaccurate, and insulting to me" he'd probably respond "I know it is, and you don't have to see it".

[ShadowBoxing]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
Ditto. Ya'know what I think if someone walked up to the ticket booth and told this guy "you're play is offensive, grossly historically inaccurate, and insulting to me" he'd probably respond "I know it is, and you don't have to see it".

[ShadowBoxing]

If some christians in Australia don't like the subject matter of the play, no one is forcing them to buy a ticket.
Ditto. Ya'know what I think if someone walked up to the ticket booth and told this guy "you're play is offensive, grossly historically inaccurate, and insulting to me" he'd probably respond "I know it is, and you don't have to see it".

[The Chairman]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react.

[The Chairman]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react.

[The Chairman]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this?
What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.


Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.

And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this?
What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.


Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.

And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

What's the "Passion of Christ" have to do with this?
What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.


Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.

And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

[The Chairman]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

[The Chairman]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

[The Chairman]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

[chaseter]

Uh...no, I'm an actual human being.
I actually thought you were a cartoon:csad:


1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:

Christians aren't suppose to live a perfect life since it's impossible. They live by teachings. No one is supposed to drop their life, movie to Jerusalem, and become a carpenter.

Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.

I never said they didn't get pleasure from it. I was merely expanding upon your narrow defintion. I am sure some of those whackos get pleasure from smearing human blood on the wall.


Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.
And it begs the answer as to why he did that when it has nothing to do with Jesus. Which then begs to answer why what I listed is still seen as art.:huh: Why? Because what one person sees as art not everyone else sees as art. Museums house the cherishable art of our past. Which is why you will never see my glittered poop canvas in the Louvre.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.
Yes, you figured out my evil plan. To steal all the art in the world and make this planet a dull, grey canvas for fascism:whatever:

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:o

[chaseter]

Uh...no, I'm an actual human being.
I actually thought you were a cartoon:csad:


1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:

Christians aren't suppose to live a perfect life since it's impossible. They live by teachings. No one is supposed to drop their life, movie to Jerusalem, and become a carpenter.

Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.

I never said they didn't get pleasure from it. I was merely expanding upon your narrow defintion. I am sure some of those whackos get pleasure from smearing human blood on the wall.


Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.
And it begs the answer as to why he did that when it has nothing to do with Jesus. Which then begs to answer why what I listed is still seen as art.:huh: Why? Because what one person sees as art not everyone else sees as art. Museums house the cherishable art of our past. Which is why you will never see my glittered poop canvas in the Louvre.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.
Yes, you figured out my evil plan. To steal all the art in the world and make this planet a dull, grey canvas for fascism:whatever:

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:o

[chaseter]

Uh...no, I'm an actual human being.
I actually thought you were a cartoon:csad:


1. - All Christians are called upon to cultivate lives in mimickry of Jesus. :huh:

2. No one said "mimic". There were "parallels".
All sorts of people can find parallels.
I can find many parallels between my life and that of the Jesus who is written about in the Bible. :huh:

Christians aren't suppose to live a perfect life since it's impossible. They live by teachings. No one is supposed to drop their life, movie to Jerusalem, and become a carpenter.

Wrong. there's also the pleasure derived from aesthetics.
I can play a series of notes on a guitar in an instrumental song, and there is no message about life, society or politics at all. It's just a pleasing, beautiful exhibition of what I personally find to be beautiful, my Self Expression.

I never said they didn't get pleasure from it. I was merely expanding upon your narrow defintion. I am sure some of those whackos get pleasure from smearing human blood on the wall.


Uh...have you SEEN this guy's play?
That's disturbing that making Jesus gay is automatically compared to all of these distasteful things.
And it begs the answer as to why he did that when it has nothing to do with Jesus. Which then begs to answer why what I listed is still seen as art.:huh: Why? Because what one person sees as art not everyone else sees as art. Museums house the cherishable art of our past. Which is why you will never see my glittered poop canvas in the Louvre.

Anyway, you Art fascists who can read minds are almost scary to me.
Reminds me of when Hitler outlawed Jazz or abstract sculpture because it was base and indecent and harmful...except of course, thank God you guys don't have the power to actually force your strictures on me.
Yes, you figured out my evil plan. To steal all the art in the world and make this planet a dull, grey canvas for fascism:whatever:

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react....with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react....with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, I always found that dumb. Freedom Of Expression and Fredom Of Speech work both ways. Just as the artist has the right to offend, the offended have every right to react....with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

[The Chairman]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

[The Chairman]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

[The Chairman]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

[chaseter]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.
Maybe Mel and this guy has something in common:o

[chaseter]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.
Maybe Mel and this guy has something in common:o

[chaseter]

Did Mel really need to create a movie like that?
He knew exactly what kind of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it. He knew it would generate some press for himself and his work.
And, I didn't use Last Temptation of Christ or the DaVinci Code, because I'm talking about Christians who create offensive art...that's why I also mentioned how offensive it is when they pray out loud, or sing Christian songs out loud, and how silly it would be to assume that ALL of them are just doing it to get attention, when, despite the fact that it's horrid and offensive, it's actually just them, living their lives, expressing themselves, etc. sometimes.
Maybe Mel and this guy has something in common:o

[bell110]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:

[bell110]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:

[bell110]

Art can be so many different things it's rather sad. I could poop on a canvas and call it art:o But when someone paints a historical figure or ideal in a different light than what we are used to or what we have come to love, then it angers people. How do you think people would react if someone made a play about Mother Teresa and made her look like Hitler? What about if someone made a statue about gays being demons, or blacks being terrorists? What if someone made a painting that had all white people murdering babies? There is a point between tasteful art and distasteful art. So yes, this person is a publicity whore. It seems the only way some of these artists can get noticed is through shock value.

Sometimes the truth can offend people yes. But fabricating it is worse.

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:

[The Chairman]

...with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

Oh, I completely disagree with the bomb threat part, but they still have the right to protest.

[The Chairman]

...with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

Oh, I completely disagree with the bomb threat part, but they still have the right to protest.

[The Chairman]

...with staunch, Christian bomb threats?

Erm...notice how the guy's play isn't, threatening to kill anyone?

Oh, I completely disagree with the bomb threat part, but they still have the right to protest.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.
Well I guess you could. That's part of what me and Jag said though. Sometimes the artists knows or even wants his piece to be offensive or over the top. Maybe it's about the sheer publicity, but maybe too it's because that reaction is part of the artwork itself.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.
Well I guess you could. That's part of what me and Jag said though. Sometimes the artists knows or even wants his piece to be offensive or over the top. Maybe it's about the sheer publicity, but maybe too it's because that reaction is part of the artwork itself.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.
Well I guess you could. That's part of what me and Jag said though. Sometimes the artists knows or even wants his piece to be offensive or over the top. Maybe it's about the sheer publicity, but maybe too it's because that reaction is part of the artwork itself.

[chaseter]

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:
I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

[chaseter]

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:
I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

[chaseter]

I'm going to make a play on each one of those subjects. :up:
I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

[bell110]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

Because they were both gay. I thought that was obvious from the article. :cwink:

I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

But, has it been done in play form?

[bell110]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

Because they were both gay. I thought that was obvious from the article. :cwink:

I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

But, has it been done in play form?

[bell110]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus? If he's using it solely on the grounds that he was persecuted for being different, than I guess I could do a play portraying Jesus as a teenager who was constantly bullied for having ADHD and having a few social skill problems until he was in 5th grade and now spends his days arguing about religion and politics on the internet.

Because they were both gay. I thought that was obvious from the article. :cwink:

I actually think the white people murdering babies painting has already been done:csad:

But, has it been done in play form?

[The Chairman]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

[The Chairman]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

[The Chairman]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:oDude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:oDude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I need to finish writing my self expressionistic play about George Washington flying in a spacecraft to another world and having sex with green homosexual fascists...because it has to do with my experiences:oDude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o

[rdh007]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag
RIP
*crosses self*
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Hey, wait a tick; does that make me gay by association???

[rdh007]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag
RIP
*crosses self*
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Hey, wait a tick; does that make me gay by association???

[rdh007]

Crikey! Did you see the size of that big, gay Jesus!? He was GORGEOUS!!!!

jag
RIP
*crosses self*
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Hey, wait a tick; does that make me gay by association???

[Addendum]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

And I never said they had the right to protest. They can march, picket, or do whatever legally under the law.

What they don't have the right to do is make bomb threats at the location where the play will be performed, or issue death threats at the writer of the play.

But it's not like their protests will people from seeing the play. And those involved in making the play are thinking "hey, free publicity. Thanks!"

[Addendum]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

And I never said they had the right to protest. They can march, picket, or do whatever legally under the law.

What they don't have the right to do is make bomb threats at the location where the play will be performed, or issue death threats at the writer of the play.

But it's not like their protests will people from seeing the play. And those involved in making the play are thinking "hey, free publicity. Thanks!"

[Addendum]

And no one can stop them from protesting it and giving it more attention and media exposure than it would have normally received.

And I never said they had the right to protest. They can march, picket, or do whatever legally under the law.

What they don't have the right to do is make bomb threats at the location where the play will be performed, or issue death threats at the writer of the play.

But it's not like their protests will people from seeing the play. And those involved in making the play are thinking "hey, free publicity. Thanks!"

[jaguarr]

Just because you find something offensive, distasteful or taboo doesn't mean it's not art. ;)

jag

[jaguarr]

Just because you find something offensive, distasteful or taboo doesn't mean it's not art. ;)

jag

[jaguarr]

Just because you find something offensive, distasteful or taboo doesn't mean it's not art. ;)

jag

[rdh007]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

[rdh007]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

[rdh007]

Actually, upon rereading the article, the article never imples the play portrays Jesus as gay. It just says Judas attempts to seduce Jesus, and that there is a gay marriage ceremony, but Jesus himself is never said to be gay in the play.

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

This guy wanted to create a play, and he wrote it.
Mel wanted to create a movie and he co-wrote it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

This guy wanted to create a play, and he wrote it.
Mel wanted to create a movie and he co-wrote it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

This guy wanted to create a play, and he wrote it.
Mel wanted to create a movie and he co-wrote it.

[The Chairman]

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

Eh? I'm a bit confused. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.

I'm not so much as offended as I am confused by the project.

[The Chairman]

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

Eh? I'm a bit confused. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.

I'm not so much as offended as I am confused by the project.

[The Chairman]

A good Christian doesn't have time for those messy details when one is being deeply offended and using that ever powerful persecution-complex to re-strengthen one's faith.

Eh? I'm a bit confused. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.

I'm not so much as offended as I am confused by the project.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Eh? I'm a bit confused. I'm not that offended. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.Well according to af15, the guy wrote it because he wanted to get bomb threats, so maybe, if it's a smash success, he can actually get stabbed to death by a religious fundamentalist, like Theo Van Gogh, (who was clearly just making art about how Muslims mistreat women for the shock value. :whatever:...and to get his head nearly severed from his body.)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Eh? I'm a bit confused. I'm not that offended. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.Well according to af15, the guy wrote it because he wanted to get bomb threats, so maybe, if it's a smash success, he can actually get stabbed to death by a religious fundamentalist, like Theo Van Gogh, (who was clearly just making art about how Muslims mistreat women for the shock value. :whatever:...and to get his head nearly severed from his body.)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Eh? I'm a bit confused. I'm not that offended. Chances are this will wind up like The Virgin Mary Cow**** Sculpture and The Chocolate Jesus thing in that it will offend a few extremists than quickly be forgotten.Well according to af15, the guy wrote it because he wanted to get bomb threats, so maybe, if it's a smash success, he can actually get stabbed to death by a religious fundamentalist, like Theo Van Gogh, (who was clearly just making art about how Muslims mistreat women for the shock value. :whatever:...and to get his head nearly severed from his body.)

[The Chairman]

They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.

[The Chairman]

They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.

[The Chairman]

They didn't write those projects. Someone else created them and they joined up. ( in Tom's case, I guess mainly because he's a "money-whore", since DaVinci code was such a financial success. :whatever: )

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.

[Motown Marvel]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

oh noes! god forbid he publicize his work! thats terrible! next time martin scorsese goes on letterman to publicize his new movie im gonna be pissed about it! especially if its a piece of art that purposely provokes a variety of reactions from its viewers! because art should be bland and boring and meaningless!

[Motown Marvel]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

oh noes! god forbid he publicize his work! thats terrible! next time martin scorsese goes on letterman to publicize his new movie im gonna be pissed about it! especially if its a piece of art that purposely provokes a variety of reactions from its viewers! because art should be bland and boring and meaningless!

[Motown Marvel]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

oh noes! god forbid he publicize his work! thats terrible! next time martin scorsese goes on letterman to publicize his new movie im gonna be pissed about it! especially if its a piece of art that purposely provokes a variety of reactions from its viewers! because art should be bland and boring and meaningless!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.um...yeah.

I'm talking about artists motivated to create a piece of art, 'cause we were talking here about the "ignoble" motivations that you and af15 "know", this artist had.
I'm not talking about people who see that creation and like it and decide they want to do an adaptation. :huh:

And, *sigh*, of course in the nit-pick fest that is the internet, you have to cover every single base, and I knew someone would bring up Christian involvement, and initially I was going to say "talking about people who have a conservative view of Jesus, a traditionally accepted reverence for him...blablabla", but I didn't think it was necessary.

I see I was wrong.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.um...yeah.

I'm talking about artists motivated to create a piece of art, 'cause we were talking here about the "ignoble" motivations that you and af15 "know", this artist had.
I'm not talking about people who see that creation and like it and decide they want to do an adaptation. :huh:

And, *sigh*, of course in the nit-pick fest that is the internet, you have to cover every single base, and I knew someone would bring up Christian involvement, and initially I was going to say "talking about people who have a conservative view of Jesus, a traditionally accepted reverence for him...blablabla", but I didn't think it was necessary.

I see I was wrong.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Well, it was Scorsese's idea to adapt The Last Temptation Of Christ.um...yeah.

I'm talking about artists motivated to create a piece of art, 'cause we were talking here about the "ignoble" motivations that you and af15 "know", this artist had.
I'm not talking about people who see that creation and like it and decide they want to do an adaptation. :huh:

And, *sigh*, of course in the nit-pick fest that is the internet, you have to cover every single base, and I knew someone would bring up Christian involvement, and initially I was going to say "talking about people who have a conservative view of Jesus, a traditionally accepted reverence for him...blablabla", but I didn't think it was necessary.

I see I was wrong.

[Majik1387]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?

[Majik1387]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?

[Majik1387]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?Because it's set to open on February 7 as part of Sydney's annual Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras festival.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?Because it's set to open on February 7 as part of Sydney's annual Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras festival.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why are we talking about a play that is a decade old?Because it's set to open on February 7 as part of Sydney's annual Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras festival.

[MaskedManJRK]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus?

It says in the article:

McNally, who is gay, has said he wrote the piece to explore parallels between Christ's persecution and the rejection he faced as a young gay man growing up in Texas.

So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

[MaskedManJRK]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus?

It says in the article:

McNally, who is gay, has said he wrote the piece to explore parallels between Christ's persecution and the rejection he faced as a young gay man growing up in Texas.

So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

[MaskedManJRK]

Maybe less people would be offend if the guy explained how the **** his life was similar to Jesus?

It says in the article:

McNally, who is gay, has said he wrote the piece to explore parallels between Christ's persecution and the rejection he faced as a young gay man growing up in Texas.

So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.

Actually, those works do involve Christians as well. Tom Hanks is a Born Again, Scorsese is Catholic, Willem Dafoe's a Puritan (and has had some rather negative things to day about his portrayal of Jesus).

Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

[The Chairman]

It says in the article:



So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.



Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."

[The Chairman]

It says in the article:



So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.



Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."

[The Chairman]

It says in the article:



So he was comparing the persecution that the GLBT get from the neo-conservatives as the same kind that Jesus and his crew faced from the Romans.



Really? How? From what I've seen, his portrayal was probably the best version on film so far.

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."I'd like to hear what he said. I can't find it with the googles. :(

Th^t could be taken as very positive or just an observation about youth as you've worded it there.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."I'd like to hear what he said. I can't find it with the googles. :(

Th^t could be taken as very positive or just an observation about youth as you've worded it there.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

He has said something along the lines of, "To this day I can't belive I was brazen enough to convincingly portray the Jesus Christ role."I'd like to hear what he said. I can't find it with the googles. :(

Th^t could be taken as very positive or just an observation about youth as you've worded it there.

[The Chairman]

"To this day, I can't believe I was so brazen to think I could pull off the Jesus role."

[The Chairman]

"To this day, I can't believe I was so brazen to think I could pull off the Jesus role."

[The Chairman]

"To this day, I can't believe I was so brazen to think I could pull off the Jesus role."

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

[The Chairman]

He also claims to be a Puritan in this interview blip:

"I wish to Christ I could make up a really great lie. Sometimes, after an interview, I say to myself, 'Man, you were so honest - can't you have some fun? Can't you do some really down and dirty lying?' But the puritan in me thinks that if I tell a lie, I'll be punished."

Willem Dafoe is awesome. That's all I have to say about this matter.

[The Chairman]

He also claims to be a Puritan in this interview blip:

"I wish to Christ I could make up a really great lie. Sometimes, after an interview, I say to myself, 'Man, you were so honest - can't you have some fun? Can't you do some really down and dirty lying?' But the puritan in me thinks that if I tell a lie, I'll be punished."

Willem Dafoe is awesome. That's all I have to say about this matter.

[The Chairman]

He also claims to be a Puritan in this interview blip:

"I wish to Christ I could make up a really great lie. Sometimes, after an interview, I say to myself, 'Man, you were so honest - can't you have some fun? Can't you do some really down and dirty lying?' But the puritan in me thinks that if I tell a lie, I'll be punished."

Willem Dafoe is awesome. That's all I have to say about this matter.

[The Chairman]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

[The Chairman]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

[The Chairman]

Yes.
That's why I'd like to see the context, because that doesn't sound at all like he had problems with the writing, or the the role itself, but rather, that he can't believe he thought he could pull it off as an actor.

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

[Docker2.0]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

:up: x 1000! Couldn't agree more!

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

[Docker2.0]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

:up: x 1000! Couldn't agree more!

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

[Docker2.0]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

:up: x 1000! Couldn't agree more!

And anyway, a gay Jesus play is safer to attend than a gay Mohammed play, so bonus points for audience safety.

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

[MaskedManJRK]

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

Ha! No wonder he kept getting sticken from lightning during filming! :woot:

[MaskedManJRK]

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

Ha! No wonder he kept getting sticken from lightning during filming! :woot:

[MaskedManJRK]

That's more likely what he meant.

Jim Caviezel I read used to go around doing Jimmy Stewart impressions while he was bloodied up for the crucifying scene in Passion.

Ha! No wonder he kept getting sticken from lightning during filming! :woot:

[The Chairman]

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

[The Chairman]

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

[The Chairman]

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

[MaskedManJRK]

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

I don't see how it's insulting Jesus though. If anything, from what the intent of the play is, it's more insulting the Evangelical Christians.

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

Now that I can imagine Gibson messing with Jim over that.

MEL: (to Roman solider) Flog him. For real.
ACTOR: What? Why?
MEL: Because he insulted the Pope. Oh, and better performance and all that crap...

[MaskedManJRK]

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

I don't see how it's insulting Jesus though. If anything, from what the intent of the play is, it's more insulting the Evangelical Christians.

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

Now that I can imagine Gibson messing with Jim over that.

MEL: (to Roman solider) Flog him. For real.
ACTOR: What? Why?
MEL: Because he insulted the Pope. Oh, and better performance and all that crap...

[MaskedManJRK]

I would love for this same guy to do a play about Mohammed! Anything! People are quick to insult Jesus and take jabs at him, but you barely hear a peep about Muhammed. :o I find that kind of odd becuase I don't think there has ever been so much as a single movie made about the guy.

I don't see how it's insulting Jesus though. If anything, from what the intent of the play is, it's more insulting the Evangelical Christians.

Caviezel also cracked jokes with The Pope.

Now that I can imagine Gibson messing with Jim over that.

MEL: (to Roman solider) Flog him. For real.
ACTOR: What? Why?
MEL: Because he insulted the Pope. Oh, and better performance and all that crap...

[chaseter]

Dude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o
We is a collaboration of society, the majority if you will. The majority think the Mona Lisa is a work out art, only a minority might think my glitter crap canvas is a work of art. Why? Because it isn't tasteful. Someone could draw a wicked awesome drawing of Jesus fighting off martians with an UZI and an RPG but it won't be deemed tasteful to the majority. Art encompasses too much stuff IMO. No one can censor him, that is wrong, but I can sure as hell speak out against it as well. What does it matter if I think it's wrong? It falls into my freedoms. He did this to sell tickets, maybe that makes him more of a businessman than an artist.

[chaseter]

Dude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o
We is a collaboration of society, the majority if you will. The majority think the Mona Lisa is a work out art, only a minority might think my glitter crap canvas is a work of art. Why? Because it isn't tasteful. Someone could draw a wicked awesome drawing of Jesus fighting off martians with an UZI and an RPG but it won't be deemed tasteful to the majority. Art encompasses too much stuff IMO. No one can censor him, that is wrong, but I can sure as hell speak out against it as well. What does it matter if I think it's wrong? It falls into my freedoms. He did this to sell tickets, maybe that makes him more of a businessman than an artist.

[chaseter]

Dude, that would make an awesome comic book or movie.

My question is...are you saying that if a dude wrote a fictional story about George Washington getting on a rocket ship and going to Mars to spread democracy to the Martians, that it COULDN'T be legitimately motivated artistic expression?!

That's crazy.

So what would make it no longer "art"? Oh, if it involves anything "offensive".

That's scary.


You, the "We" that was mentioned, decide for the rest of us what is and what isn't "offensive".

Write historically non accurate speculative fiction that doesn't offend you, it's art.
When it offends you, well, it was just done for shock value.


tsk :o
We is a collaboration of society, the majority if you will. The majority think the Mona Lisa is a work out art, only a minority might think my glitter crap canvas is a work of art. Why? Because it isn't tasteful. Someone could draw a wicked awesome drawing of Jesus fighting off martians with an UZI and an RPG but it won't be deemed tasteful to the majority. Art encompasses too much stuff IMO. No one can censor him, that is wrong, but I can sure as hell speak out against it as well. What does it matter if I think it's wrong? It falls into my freedoms. He did this to sell tickets, maybe that makes him more of a businessman than an artist.

[Addendum]

So you can read minds?

[Addendum]

So you can read minds?

[Addendum]

So you can read minds?

[Superman4ever]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Exact same could be said about the dutch artist who drew the infamous Muhammad drawings.

The only reason this art was made was for creating a public outcry. He basically states that in the article.

I think it's distasteful and pity, but he wanted to make it so, whatever!

[Superman4ever]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Exact same could be said about the dutch artist who drew the infamous Muhammad drawings.

The only reason this art was made was for creating a public outcry. He basically states that in the article.

I think it's distasteful and pity, but he wanted to make it so, whatever!