Discussion: Gay Rights II

[Bathead]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage. I can't help but think, If all the nasty and vile things that married men and women have done to each other on a regular basis over the centuries hasn't killed it off, I don't see how allowing gays the same rights will put a dent in it.
It's just another example of religious zealots trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

[Bathead]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage. I can't help but think, If all the nasty and vile things that married men and women have done to each other on a regular basis over the centuries hasn't killed it off, I don't see how allowing gays the same rights will put a dent in it.
It's just another example of religious zealots trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

[Bathead]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage. I can't help but think, If all the nasty and vile things that married men and women have done to each other on a regular basis over the centuries hasn't killed it off, I don't see how allowing gays the same rights will put a dent in it.
It's just another example of religious zealots trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

[BlackLantern]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

[BlackLantern]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

[BlackLantern]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

[Ion Kenshin]

Alot of the times thats what had to happened before any form of change was made.

[Ion Kenshin]

Alot of the times thats what had to happened before any form of change was made.

[Ion Kenshin]

Alot of the times thats what had to happened before any form of change was made.

[Marx]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

[Marx]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

[Marx]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

[BlackLantern]

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

When I first heard about that, I was in the service at the time, on deployment, and really only heard the basics...when I got home and actually read into what happened...it is one of the few times where I became enraged at something I was reading....gay or not...no one deserves what happened to him...no one deserves to die cold and alone just for being different

[BlackLantern]

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

When I first heard about that, I was in the service at the time, on deployment, and really only heard the basics...when I got home and actually read into what happened...it is one of the few times where I became enraged at something I was reading....gay or not...no one deserves what happened to him...no one deserves to die cold and alone just for being different

[BlackLantern]

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

When I first heard about that, I was in the service at the time, on deployment, and really only heard the basics...when I got home and actually read into what happened...it is one of the few times where I became enraged at something I was reading....gay or not...no one deserves what happened to him...no one deserves to die cold and alone just for being different

[The Senator]

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...

[The Senator]

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...

[The Senator]

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...

[Ion Kenshin]

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...
i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

[Ion Kenshin]

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...
i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

[Ion Kenshin]

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...
i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

[The Senator]

i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

[The Senator]

i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

[The Senator]

i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

[Marx]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

Do you 'tolerate them with all yer heart' Jman? :cwink:

[Marx]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

Do you 'tolerate them with all yer heart' Jman? :cwink:

[Marx]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

Do you 'tolerate them with all yer heart' Jman? :cwink:

[Anita18]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage.
See, what I want to know is, what "institution" of marriage? I didn't know there was a system to marriage at all! I thought it was just about two consenting adults vowing to support each other in life, not that one had to be the breadwinner and one had to stay home and take care of the children or that there were things you were supposed to do once you got married.

[Anita18]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage.
See, what I want to know is, what "institution" of marriage? I didn't know there was a system to marriage at all! I thought it was just about two consenting adults vowing to support each other in life, not that one had to be the breadwinner and one had to stay home and take care of the children or that there were things you were supposed to do once you got married.

[Anita18]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage.
See, what I want to know is, what "institution" of marriage? I didn't know there was a system to marriage at all! I thought it was just about two consenting adults vowing to support each other in life, not that one had to be the breadwinner and one had to stay home and take care of the children or that there were things you were supposed to do once you got married.

[BlackLantern]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

and a lot of people feel that way about the LGBT community....in the eyes of some, there aren't enough of you to make any serious noise so they will tolerate you....

[BlackLantern]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

and a lot of people feel that way about the LGBT community....in the eyes of some, there aren't enough of you to make any serious noise so they will tolerate you....

[BlackLantern]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

and a lot of people feel that way about the LGBT community....in the eyes of some, there aren't enough of you to make any serious noise so they will tolerate you....

[The Senator]

I'm not asking for everyone to accept us. I'm asking the government to stop legislating our lives.

[The Senator]

I'm not asking for everyone to accept us. I'm asking the government to stop legislating our lives.

[The Senator]

I'm not asking for everyone to accept us. I'm asking the government to stop legislating our lives.

[Ion Kenshin]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...
the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

[Ion Kenshin]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...
the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

[Ion Kenshin]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...
the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

[The Senator]

the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.

I tolerate its existence, but I refuse to accept it as a legitimate, or truthful, faith.

[The Senator]

the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.

I tolerate its existence, but I refuse to accept it as a legitimate, or truthful, faith.

[The Senator]

the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.

I tolerate its existence, but I refuse to accept it as a legitimate, or truthful, faith.

[The Lizard]

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.



Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

[The Lizard]

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.



Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

[The Lizard]

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.



Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

[spideyboy_1111]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

[spideyboy_1111]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

[spideyboy_1111]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

[BlackLantern]

^^^good luck with that....

[BlackLantern]

^^^good luck with that....

[BlackLantern]

^^^good luck with that....

[spideyboy_1111]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

well sadly it just might. sometimes violence imo is ok, if the violence towards african americans never happened i doubt the nation would have seen the severity of it as soon as they did.

[spideyboy_1111]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

well sadly it just might. sometimes violence imo is ok, if the violence towards african americans never happened i doubt the nation would have seen the severity of it as soon as they did.

[spideyboy_1111]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

well sadly it just might. sometimes violence imo is ok, if the violence towards african americans never happened i doubt the nation would have seen the severity of it as soon as they did.

[The Senator]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

[The Senator]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

[The Senator]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

[spideyboy_1111]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west there ridiculous.

[spideyboy_1111]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west there ridiculous.

[spideyboy_1111]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west there ridiculous.

[Schlosser85]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

[Schlosser85]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

[Schlosser85]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

[spideyboy_1111]

^^^good luck with that....

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

[spideyboy_1111]

^^^good luck with that....

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

[spideyboy_1111]

^^^good luck with that....

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

[spideyboy_1111]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

meh, the US isn't terrified of us in terms of violence, there terrified that the people they know and themselves will turn gay, that's the only fear they have.. well that and for some reason us bringing damnation to them. My point is we have to fight for our rights, and so many gay people these days are just like "meh im patient" seriously? we want rights now... not 50 years from now

[spideyboy_1111]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

meh, the US isn't terrified of us in terms of violence, there terrified that the people they know and themselves will turn gay, that's the only fear they have.. well that and for some reason us bringing damnation to them. My point is we have to fight for our rights, and so many gay people these days are just like "meh im patient" seriously? we want rights now... not 50 years from now

[spideyboy_1111]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

meh, the US isn't terrified of us in terms of violence, there terrified that the people they know and themselves will turn gay, that's the only fear they have.. well that and for some reason us bringing damnation to them. My point is we have to fight for our rights, and so many gay people these days are just like "meh im patient" seriously? we want rights now... not 50 years from now

[Schlosser85]

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

We don't have to put up with blatantly being treated like second-class citizens in the so-called "land of the free", but attacking other groups and provoking violence is as counterproductive as anything we could do.

Any protests must be 100% peaceful. Show the rest of the nation that gays by and large have more dignity and restraint and self-control than the homophobic "Christians" who keep trying to stomp on us. Show them we're "normal people", not a bunch of militant freaks.

[Schlosser85]

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

We don't have to put up with blatantly being treated like second-class citizens in the so-called "land of the free", but attacking other groups and provoking violence is as counterproductive as anything we could do.

Any protests must be 100% peaceful. Show the rest of the nation that gays by and large have more dignity and restraint and self-control than the homophobic "Christians" who keep trying to stomp on us. Show them we're "normal people", not a bunch of militant freaks.

[Schlosser85]

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

We don't have to put up with blatantly being treated like second-class citizens in the so-called "land of the free", but attacking other groups and provoking violence is as counterproductive as anything we could do.

Any protests must be 100% peaceful. Show the rest of the nation that gays by and large have more dignity and restraint and self-control than the homophobic "Christians" who keep trying to stomp on us. Show them we're "normal people", not a bunch of militant freaks.

[spideyboy_1111]

i never said provoking violence... i highly doubt the gays will throw the first stone.

All i'm saying is one of the yes campaigners recently said "please all those ***s will do is where there rainbow shirts and wave there flags by candle light" thats what they friggin expect. and thats what we've been doing for a while, it's gotten us no where. We have to be a bit more aggressive, im not talking about warfare.

[spideyboy_1111]

i never said provoking violence... i highly doubt the gays will throw the first stone.

All i'm saying is one of the yes campaigners recently said "please all those ***s will do is where there rainbow shirts and wave there flags by candle light" thats what they friggin expect. and thats what we've been doing for a while, it's gotten us no where. We have to be a bit more aggressive, im not talking about warfare.

[spideyboy_1111]

i never said provoking violence... i highly doubt the gays will throw the first stone.

All i'm saying is one of the yes campaigners recently said "please all those ***s will do is where there rainbow shirts and wave there flags by candle light" thats what they friggin expect. and thats what we've been doing for a while, it's gotten us no where. We have to be a bit more aggressive, im not talking about warfare.

[The Lizard]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

There's a couple of hurtles that this movement has to overcome with respect of comparison with women's voting rights and the Civil Rights movement:

1. There were a lot more women and African Americans numbers-wise than there are gays. After this passing of Prop 8, the impression has been re-enforced that the GLBT community is a very loud minority, but still a small one.

2. The Civil Rights movement built on the fact that blacks had been slaves in the past and were suffering economically and educationally as a result of segregation and racism later on. However, the modern public sees gays as mostly well-off, well-educated professionals who easily mobilize support for themselves. Not quite the downtrodden victims that blacks were in the '50s and '60s.

NOTE: Please don't take the above observations (or my previous attempted explanation of Mormon rationale) as a sign that I am opposed to gay marriage, because I am not. I would have voted against Prop 8 if I lived in CA. I'm just trying to help provide a more centrist, realistic perspective in this time of heated emotions.

[The Lizard]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

There's a couple of hurtles that this movement has to overcome with respect of comparison with women's voting rights and the Civil Rights movement:

1. There were a lot more women and African Americans numbers-wise than there are gays. After this passing of Prop 8, the impression has been re-enforced that the GLBT community is a very loud minority, but still a small one.

2. The Civil Rights movement built on the fact that blacks had been slaves in the past and were suffering economically and educationally as a result of segregation and racism later on. However, the modern public sees gays as mostly well-off, well-educated professionals who easily mobilize support for themselves. Not quite the downtrodden victims that blacks were in the '50s and '60s.

NOTE: Please don't take the above observations (or my previous attempted explanation of Mormon rationale) as a sign that I am opposed to gay marriage, because I am not. I would have voted against Prop 8 if I lived in CA. I'm just trying to help provide a more centrist, realistic perspective in this time of heated emotions.

[The Lizard]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

There's a couple of hurtles that this movement has to overcome with respect of comparison with women's voting rights and the Civil Rights movement:

1. There were a lot more women and African Americans numbers-wise than there are gays. After this passing of Prop 8, the impression has been re-enforced that the GLBT community is a very loud minority, but still a small one.

2. The Civil Rights movement built on the fact that blacks had been slaves in the past and were suffering economically and educationally as a result of segregation and racism later on. However, the modern public sees gays as mostly well-off, well-educated professionals who easily mobilize support for themselves. Not quite the downtrodden victims that blacks were in the '50s and '60s.

NOTE: Please don't take the above observations (or my previous attempted explanation of Mormon rationale) as a sign that I am opposed to gay marriage, because I am not. I would have voted against Prop 8 if I lived in CA. I'm just trying to help provide a more centrist, realistic perspective in this time of heated emotions.

[The Lizard]

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west they're ridiculous.

You may be correct in that. I've been to Salt Lake City a couple of times, but 95% of my interaction with LDS church members has been east coast and the south. Mormons seem to be a lot more humble and grounded in reality when they live in areas where they're a small minority.

They should learn lessons about what being a minority is like from that.

[The Lizard]

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west they're ridiculous.

You may be correct in that. I've been to Salt Lake City a couple of times, but 95% of my interaction with LDS church members has been east coast and the south. Mormons seem to be a lot more humble and grounded in reality when they live in areas where they're a small minority.

They should learn lessons about what being a minority is like from that.

[The Lizard]

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west they're ridiculous.

You may be correct in that. I've been to Salt Lake City a couple of times, but 95% of my interaction with LDS church members has been east coast and the south. Mormons seem to be a lot more humble and grounded in reality when they live in areas where they're a small minority.

They should learn lessons about what being a minority is like from that.

[BlackLantern]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

[BlackLantern]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

[BlackLantern]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

[The Lizard]

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

Fair enough (although you at first said the Mormon "faith" was based in hatred, not just the church structure). Your above statement pretty much sums up how I feel about the Church of Scientology as well (although I'd substitute the word "hatred" with "dishonest scam tactics"). "Hatred" is kind of a subjective concept these days, but I suppose that it could be said that any religious laws against homosexuality could have had their origins in fear and yes, hatred in ancient cultures.

But yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that I'd much rather have a Mormon as a neighbor than a member of a TRUE hate-group like the Westboro Baptist Church or some white-supremist organization.

[The Lizard]

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

Fair enough (although you at first said the Mormon "faith" was based in hatred, not just the church structure). Your above statement pretty much sums up how I feel about the Church of Scientology as well (although I'd substitute the word "hatred" with "dishonest scam tactics"). "Hatred" is kind of a subjective concept these days, but I suppose that it could be said that any religious laws against homosexuality could have had their origins in fear and yes, hatred in ancient cultures.

But yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that I'd much rather have a Mormon as a neighbor than a member of a TRUE hate-group like the Westboro Baptist Church or some white-supremist organization.

[The Lizard]

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

Fair enough (although you at first said the Mormon "faith" was based in hatred, not just the church structure). Your above statement pretty much sums up how I feel about the Church of Scientology as well (although I'd substitute the word "hatred" with "dishonest scam tactics"). "Hatred" is kind of a subjective concept these days, but I suppose that it could be said that any religious laws against homosexuality could have had their origins in fear and yes, hatred in ancient cultures.

But yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that I'd much rather have a Mormon as a neighbor than a member of a TRUE hate-group like the Westboro Baptist Church or some white-supremist organization.

[Octoberist]

yeah, it won't change over night.

I mean, once it reaches DC, hopefully Obama will listen. I don't know if McCain would give them any attention if he was in office..

[Octoberist]

yeah, it won't change over night.

I mean, once it reaches DC, hopefully Obama will listen. I don't know if McCain would give them any attention if he was in office..

[Octoberist]

yeah, it won't change over night.

I mean, once it reaches DC, hopefully Obama will listen. I don't know if McCain would give them any attention if he was in office..

[BlackLantern]

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....

[BlackLantern]

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....

[BlackLantern]

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....

[Octoberist]

it's hard because even in the deep south, there are still very racist areas in the rural areas. if people can't barely overcome race, then sexuality will be tough one.

[Octoberist]

it's hard because even in the deep south, there are still very racist areas in the rural areas. if people can't barely overcome race, then sexuality will be tough one.

[Octoberist]

it's hard because even in the deep south, there are still very racist areas in the rural areas. if people can't barely overcome race, then sexuality will be tough one.

[CaptainClown]

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....
and that is why prop 8 passed. THe advocates for it made it a problem about their children. and education and that is why it passed.

[CaptainClown]

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....
and that is why prop 8 passed. THe advocates for it made it a problem about their children. and education and that is why it passed.

[CaptainClown]

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....
and that is why prop 8 passed. THe advocates for it made it a problem about their children. and education and that is why it passed.

[BlackLantern]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?

[BlackLantern]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?

[BlackLantern]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?

[Octoberist]

i don't know. I see what you're saying Black Lantern. It's not as broad as race, if you want to compare that to sexuality. Don't have an answer to that, unless those families become humanitarians.

[Octoberist]

i don't know. I see what you're saying Black Lantern. It's not as broad as race, if you want to compare that to sexuality. Don't have an answer to that, unless those families become humanitarians.

[Octoberist]

i don't know. I see what you're saying Black Lantern. It's not as broad as race, if you want to compare that to sexuality. Don't have an answer to that, unless those families become humanitarians.

[Marx]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF OUR FELLOW HYPESTERS IN CALIFORNIA WHO CHOOSE TO PROTEST!

Keep it peaceful and intelligent!

[Marx]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF OUR FELLOW HYPESTERS IN CALIFORNIA WHO CHOOSE TO PROTEST!

Keep it peaceful and intelligent!

[Marx]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF OUR FELLOW HYPESTERS IN CALIFORNIA WHO CHOOSE TO PROTEST!

Keep it peaceful and intelligent!

[CaptainClown]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?
Thats what I am saying, people who are for prop 8 advertised to the average American that this prop will affect them. That is why it didn't pass.

[CaptainClown]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?
Thats what I am saying, people who are for prop 8 advertised to the average American that this prop will affect them. That is why it didn't pass.

[CaptainClown]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?
Thats what I am saying, people who are for prop 8 advertised to the average American that this prop will affect them. That is why it didn't pass.

[USMC]

I find the whole thing laughable, to say the least. Gays will get the right to "marriage". It is going to happen. This country moves forward, albeit slower than most of the civilized world, when it comes to certain things.

But it's here, it's not going away, if anything gays coming "out" is becoming more normal. Homophobes are starting to actually realize that gays are everywhere, and have been from the start. That they are a normal part of this society of ours... you can't ignore that forever.

On a side note, yeah, the amount of Mormon men I've had sex with is... well, it makes you realize that usually the ones yelling "you're a sinner" the loudest are the ones with the most to hide... :cwink:

[USMC]

I find the whole thing laughable, to say the least. Gays will get the right to "marriage". It is going to happen. This country moves forward, albeit slower than most of the civilized world, when it comes to certain things.

But it's here, it's not going away, if anything gays coming "out" is becoming more normal. Homophobes are starting to actually realize that gays are everywhere, and have been from the start. That they are a normal part of this society of ours... you can't ignore that forever.

On a side note, yeah, the amount of Mormon men I've had sex with is... well, it makes you realize that usually the ones yelling "you're a sinner" the loudest are the ones with the most to hide... :cwink:

[USMC]

I find the whole thing laughable, to say the least. Gays will get the right to "marriage". It is going to happen. This country moves forward, albeit slower than most of the civilized world, when it comes to certain things.

But it's here, it's not going away, if anything gays coming "out" is becoming more normal. Homophobes are starting to actually realize that gays are everywhere, and have been from the start. That they are a normal part of this society of ours... you can't ignore that forever.

On a side note, yeah, the amount of Mormon men I've had sex with is... well, it makes you realize that usually the ones yelling "you're a sinner" the loudest are the ones with the most to hide... :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

[BlackLantern]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

[BlackLantern]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

[Anubis]

Dirtiest sex I've ever had was with a preacher's daughter, I gotta figure his gay son would be doing stuff that's banned in 38 states.

[Anubis]

Dirtiest sex I've ever had was with a preacher's daughter, I gotta figure his gay son would be doing stuff that's banned in 38 states.

[Anubis]

Dirtiest sex I've ever had was with a preacher's daughter, I gotta figure his gay son would be doing stuff that's banned in 38 states.

[USMC]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

I like the willing types. :wow:

[USMC]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

I like the willing types. :wow:

[USMC]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

I like the willing types. :wow:

[Oddzball]

well the prop 8 campaign is being sued due to the fact they flat out skewed the "children at a gay wedding" story completely out of proportion.

It was NOT school sanctioned, it was a private school, the students and parents were VERY close with the teacher... and only 2 parents complained, and the kids did not go. the parents who allowed there kids to go are all suing the yes campaign.

However, legally you have to have standing to sue. If Debbie and Mary, a lesbian couple married last August have had their legal marriage erased, the community property they bought in say September is in a legal limbo. The text of the proposition didn't address this issue.

Debbie and Mary have a financial stake at stake. They have legal standing to go to court on Proposition 8. Property rights are sort of a Federal Constitution issue, not just a State one. They'd be in a position to go to Federal court and get Prop 8 ruled on.

[Oddzball]

well the prop 8 campaign is being sued due to the fact they flat out skewed the "children at a gay wedding" story completely out of proportion.

It was NOT school sanctioned, it was a private school, the students and parents were VERY close with the teacher... and only 2 parents complained, and the kids did not go. the parents who allowed there kids to go are all suing the yes campaign.

However, legally you have to have standing to sue. If Debbie and Mary, a lesbian couple married last August have had their legal marriage erased, the community property they bought in say September is in a legal limbo. The text of the proposition didn't address this issue.

Debbie and Mary have a financial stake at stake. They have legal standing to go to court on Proposition 8. Property rights are sort of a Federal Constitution issue, not just a State one. They'd be in a position to go to Federal court and get Prop 8 ruled on.

[Oddzball]

well the prop 8 campaign is being sued due to the fact they flat out skewed the "children at a gay wedding" story completely out of proportion.

It was NOT school sanctioned, it was a private school, the students and parents were VERY close with the teacher... and only 2 parents complained, and the kids did not go. the parents who allowed there kids to go are all suing the yes campaign.

However, legally you have to have standing to sue. If Debbie and Mary, a lesbian couple married last August have had their legal marriage erased, the community property they bought in say September is in a legal limbo. The text of the proposition didn't address this issue.

Debbie and Mary have a financial stake at stake. They have legal standing to go to court on Proposition 8. Property rights are sort of a Federal Constitution issue, not just a State one. They'd be in a position to go to Federal court and get Prop 8 ruled on.

[Octoberist]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

[Octoberist]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

[Octoberist]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

[CaptainClown]

whats a 17 year old doing out past curfew? hahah

[CaptainClown]

whats a 17 year old doing out past curfew? hahah

[CaptainClown]

whats a 17 year old doing out past curfew? hahah

[Octoberist]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.

[Octoberist]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.

[Octoberist]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.

[The Senator]

I truly believe Proposition 8 will be overturned by the California State Court. The proposition was worded poorly, and there are numerous loopholes and unanswered questions which simply were not addressed by it. Moreover, the fact that the proposition radically alters the state constitution provides yet another interesting legal challenge. Amendments such as these are first required to pass the state legislature, which this one did not do, before being presented to the general public. And it doesn't end there, considering the legal challenges now facing the 18,000 gay couples which wed in the state since this summer, involving property rights, health benefits, and what kind of retroactive effects this amendment may have... each of these questions have yet to be addressed and are completely up in the air.

Jerry Brown has stated that he will fight this vehemently. And if it goes before the state supreme court, it will face the same justices which legalized gay marriage in the first place. Give this a few more months, and it will most likely be struck down.

[The Senator]

I truly believe Proposition 8 will be overturned by the California State Court. The proposition was worded poorly, and there are numerous loopholes and unanswered questions which simply were not addressed by it. Moreover, the fact that the proposition radically alters the state constitution provides yet another interesting legal challenge. Amendments such as these are first required to pass the state legislature, which this one did not do, before being presented to the general public. And it doesn't end there, considering the legal challenges now facing the 18,000 gay couples which wed in the state since this summer, involving property rights, health benefits, and what kind of retroactive effects this amendment may have... each of these questions have yet to be addressed and are completely up in the air.

Jerry Brown has stated that he will fight this vehemently. And if it goes before the state supreme court, it will face the same justices which legalized gay marriage in the first place. Give this a few more months, and it will most likely be struck down.

[The Senator]

I truly believe Proposition 8 will be overturned by the California State Court. The proposition was worded poorly, and there are numerous loopholes and unanswered questions which simply were not addressed by it. Moreover, the fact that the proposition radically alters the state constitution provides yet another interesting legal challenge. Amendments such as these are first required to pass the state legislature, which this one did not do, before being presented to the general public. And it doesn't end there, considering the legal challenges now facing the 18,000 gay couples which wed in the state since this summer, involving property rights, health benefits, and what kind of retroactive effects this amendment may have... each of these questions have yet to be addressed and are completely up in the air.

Jerry Brown has stated that he will fight this vehemently. And if it goes before the state supreme court, it will face the same justices which legalized gay marriage in the first place. Give this a few more months, and it will most likely be struck down.

[CaptainClown]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.(hand on shoulder) I don't know, I don't understand it and probably never will.

[CaptainClown]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.(hand on shoulder) I don't know, I don't understand it and probably never will.

[CaptainClown]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.(hand on shoulder) I don't know, I don't understand it and probably never will.

[spideyboy_1111]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.

[spideyboy_1111]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.

[spideyboy_1111]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.

[spideyboy_1111]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

that was when we were on the go... i didnt witness that, though i was a lil freaked out when the swat team showed up when we first started marching. OVer all it was so succesfull people came out of there offices and stores, and joined in with us. little kids holding signs on the street joined us. It was soooo empowering.

edit: o wait nvm.. i thought that was about the mormon guy who punched a girl while trying to take signs off the gates

[spideyboy_1111]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

that was when we were on the go... i didnt witness that, though i was a lil freaked out when the swat team showed up when we first started marching. OVer all it was so succesfull people came out of there offices and stores, and joined in with us. little kids holding signs on the street joined us. It was soooo empowering.

edit: o wait nvm.. i thought that was about the mormon guy who punched a girl while trying to take signs off the gates

[spideyboy_1111]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

that was when we were on the go... i didnt witness that, though i was a lil freaked out when the swat team showed up when we first started marching. OVer all it was so succesfull people came out of there offices and stores, and joined in with us. little kids holding signs on the street joined us. It was soooo empowering.

edit: o wait nvm.. i thought that was about the mormon guy who punched a girl while trying to take signs off the gates

[CaptainClown]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.
awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

[CaptainClown]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.
awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

[CaptainClown]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.
awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

[spideyboy_1111]

awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

it was actually pretty peaceful for the most part. IT's def begun, we plan on eventually taking it to possibly arizona and then washington. I've notice that the gay community has never had a nation wide movement, just small city ones. And it's about time we come together, united, and not ask but DEMAND for our human rights.

[spideyboy_1111]

awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

it was actually pretty peaceful for the most part. IT's def begun, we plan on eventually taking it to possibly arizona and then washington. I've notice that the gay community has never had a nation wide movement, just small city ones. And it's about time we come together, united, and not ask but DEMAND for our human rights.

[spideyboy_1111]

awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

it was actually pretty peaceful for the most part. IT's def begun, we plan on eventually taking it to possibly arizona and then washington. I've notice that the gay community has never had a nation wide movement, just small city ones. And it's about time we come together, united, and not ask but DEMAND for our human rights.

[spideyboy_1111]

ps, if your in cali, were headed to long beach 7pm tomorrow

[spideyboy_1111]

ps, if your in cali, were headed to long beach 7pm tomorrow

[spideyboy_1111]

ps, if your in cali, were headed to long beach 7pm tomorrow

[CaptainClown]

I'm in Cali but again protesting is not my thing. I support things like this in other ways.

[CaptainClown]

I'm in Cali but again protesting is not my thing. I support things like this in other ways.

[CaptainClown]

I'm in Cali but again protesting is not my thing. I support things like this in other ways.

[spideyboy_1111]

well... i can't force ya... but women and blacks didn't get there rights by sitting around and hoping for the best. If you want rights, you gotta go get em.

[spideyboy_1111]

well... i can't force ya... but women and blacks didn't get there rights by sitting around and hoping for the best. If you want rights, you gotta go get em.

[spideyboy_1111]

well... i can't force ya... but women and blacks didn't get there rights by sitting around and hoping for the best. If you want rights, you gotta go get em.

[spideyboy_1111]

lots of footage from tonight

http://www.ktla.com/

[spideyboy_1111]

lots of footage from tonight

http://www.ktla.com/

[spideyboy_1111]

lots of footage from tonight

http://www.ktla.com/

[CaptainClown]

Some people fight the system, some prep others for change. I do the prepping.

[CaptainClown]

Some people fight the system, some prep others for change. I do the prepping.

[CaptainClown]

Some people fight the system, some prep others for change. I do the prepping.

[spideyboy_1111]

more footage
http://cbs2.com/
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/index
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html

[spideyboy_1111]

more footage
http://cbs2.com/
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/index
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html

[spideyboy_1111]

more footage
http://cbs2.com/
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/index
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html

[Octoberist]

"And in 60 years people will marry their sisters and mothers, corpses, donkeys, and kids... mission accomplished - equality for ALL. By the way marriage to a palm tree would be fun. I hope 'bright' guys in Berkley already working on marriage with trees!"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Protestors_Signal_Battle_over_Same_Sex_Marriage_No t_Over.html#GAwMD

When I read crap like this (in the comments area), I just get P*ssed off on the sheer amount of ignorance and hate that the person has. For a person who is for Prop 8, he/she just threw his argument out of the window with his immaturity. Marrying your mom and sister? Calling gays a bunch of 'sickos'?

[Octoberist]

"And in 60 years people will marry their sisters and mothers, corpses, donkeys, and kids... mission accomplished - equality for ALL. By the way marriage to a palm tree would be fun. I hope 'bright' guys in Berkley already working on marriage with trees!"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Protestors_Signal_Battle_over_Same_Sex_Marriage_No t_Over.html#GAwMD

When I read crap like this (in the comments area), I just get P*ssed off on the sheer amount of ignorance and hate that the person has. For a person who is for Prop 8, he/she just threw his argument out of the window with his immaturity. Marrying your mom and sister? Calling gays a bunch of 'sickos'?

[Octoberist]

"And in 60 years people will marry their sisters and mothers, corpses, donkeys, and kids... mission accomplished - equality for ALL. By the way marriage to a palm tree would be fun. I hope 'bright' guys in Berkley already working on marriage with trees!"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Protestors_Signal_Battle_over_Same_Sex_Marriage_No t_Over.html#GAwMD

When I read crap like this (in the comments area), I just get P*ssed off on the sheer amount of ignorance and hate that the person has. For a person who is for Prop 8, he/she just threw his argument out of the window with his immaturity. Marrying your mom and sister? Calling gays a bunch of 'sickos'?

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah pro prop 8 people from day 1 have never been able to diffed themselves properly. sometimes i feel like im in a mad house.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah pro prop 8 people from day 1 have never been able to diffed themselves properly. sometimes i feel like im in a mad house.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah pro prop 8 people from day 1 have never been able to diffed themselves properly. sometimes i feel like im in a mad house.

[spideyboy_1111]

pics/vids from my facebook
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2125738&id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432453&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/photos.php?id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432338&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/video/?id=60708042

[spideyboy_1111]

pics/vids from my facebook
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2125738&id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432453&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/photos.php?id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432338&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/video/?id=60708042

[spideyboy_1111]

pics/vids from my facebook
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2125738&id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432453&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/photos.php?id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432338&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/video/?id=60708042

[BlackLantern]

its been fairly quiet here in the northeast...maybe because people can go to Mass or VT to get married....

[BlackLantern]

its been fairly quiet here in the northeast...maybe because people can go to Mass or VT to get married....

[BlackLantern]

its been fairly quiet here in the northeast...maybe because people can go to Mass or VT to get married....

[Schlosser85]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?

[Schlosser85]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?

[Schlosser85]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?

[Bathead]

I don't know. How effective is the screening system for blood these days?

[Bathead]

I don't know. How effective is the screening system for blood these days?

[Bathead]

I don't know. How effective is the screening system for blood these days?

[BlackLantern]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?

[BlackLantern]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?

[BlackLantern]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?

[Ion Kenshin]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?
We bleed rainbow...you didnt know :whatever: (@ red cross)

[Ion Kenshin]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?
We bleed rainbow...you didnt know :whatever: (@ red cross)

[Ion Kenshin]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?
We bleed rainbow...you didnt know :whatever: (@ red cross)

[cerealkiller182]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

In the election aftermath, Kristopher Tapley poses an intriguing question: "Could an earlier ‘Milk’ release have killed Prop 8?" As he points out, much of "Milk" is dedicated to the fight against Proposition 6, a 1978 ballot measure that would prevented gay people from working as educators. "The parallels between the campaign chronicled in the movie and the real-life battle over Proposition 8 are striking," he writes. "Harvey Milk (Sean Penn’s career-best portrayal) makes the point, to paraphrase, 'We have to make them understand that they know us.' That message, I think, might have carried a lot of heft if voters had made it to the polls four weeks later.... A studio’s priority is, of course, to shareholders, and 'Milk' is likely to make more money in its current release plan than something earlier in the season. But you can’t help but wonder what might have been. And you can’t 'give ‘em hope' after the fact." (As I posted this, an email from Focus Features arrived to remind me that "Milk" release dates begin November 26.)

Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this

[cerealkiller182]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

In the election aftermath, Kristopher Tapley poses an intriguing question: "Could an earlier ‘Milk’ release have killed Prop 8?" As he points out, much of "Milk" is dedicated to the fight against Proposition 6, a 1978 ballot measure that would prevented gay people from working as educators. "The parallels between the campaign chronicled in the movie and the real-life battle over Proposition 8 are striking," he writes. "Harvey Milk (Sean Penn’s career-best portrayal) makes the point, to paraphrase, 'We have to make them understand that they know us.' That message, I think, might have carried a lot of heft if voters had made it to the polls four weeks later.... A studio’s priority is, of course, to shareholders, and 'Milk' is likely to make more money in its current release plan than something earlier in the season. But you can’t help but wonder what might have been. And you can’t 'give ‘em hope' after the fact." (As I posted this, an email from Focus Features arrived to remind me that "Milk" release dates begin November 26.)

Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this

[cerealkiller182]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

In the election aftermath, Kristopher Tapley poses an intriguing question: "Could an earlier ‘Milk’ release have killed Prop 8?" As he points out, much of "Milk" is dedicated to the fight against Proposition 6, a 1978 ballot measure that would prevented gay people from working as educators. "The parallels between the campaign chronicled in the movie and the real-life battle over Proposition 8 are striking," he writes. "Harvey Milk (Sean Penn’s career-best portrayal) makes the point, to paraphrase, 'We have to make them understand that they know us.' That message, I think, might have carried a lot of heft if voters had made it to the polls four weeks later.... A studio’s priority is, of course, to shareholders, and 'Milk' is likely to make more money in its current release plan than something earlier in the season. But you can’t help but wonder what might have been. And you can’t 'give ‘em hope' after the fact." (As I posted this, an email from Focus Features arrived to remind me that "Milk" release dates begin November 26.)

Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this

[UltimateJustin]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html



Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this
It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

[UltimateJustin]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html



Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this
It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

[UltimateJustin]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html



Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this
It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

[BlackLantern]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

...who are these people? and are they breeding, because that would be a bad thing

[BlackLantern]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

...who are these people? and are they breeding, because that would be a bad thing

[BlackLantern]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

...who are these people? and are they breeding, because that would be a bad thing

[The Senator]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

:whatever:

The Dark Knight had NO effect on Obama's win. The only people who think this are those who have seen the movie seven times, dress up in Joker face paint three days a week, and are still masturbating to the sound of Heath Ledger's voice from the first TDK trailer.

[The Senator]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

:whatever:

The Dark Knight had NO effect on Obama's win. The only people who think this are those who have seen the movie seven times, dress up in Joker face paint three days a week, and are still masturbating to the sound of Heath Ledger's voice from the first TDK trailer.

[The Senator]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

:whatever:

The Dark Knight had NO effect on Obama's win. The only people who think this are those who have seen the movie seven times, dress up in Joker face paint three days a week, and are still masturbating to the sound of Heath Ledger's voice from the first TDK trailer.

[USMC]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?


The Red Cross didn't start the ban. The FDA is in charge of the ban and has been for 3 decades. The Red Cross is actually against the ban, saying that it is no longer warranted.

[USMC]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?


The Red Cross didn't start the ban. The FDA is in charge of the ban and has been for 3 decades. The Red Cross is actually against the ban, saying that it is no longer warranted.

[USMC]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?


The Red Cross didn't start the ban. The FDA is in charge of the ban and has been for 3 decades. The Red Cross is actually against the ban, saying that it is no longer warranted.

[The Senator]

No, see, if you don't let heterosexual black women donate blood, it's discrimination. But gay people? There's no such thing as anti-gay discrimination, since they choose their lifestyles... :whatever:

[The Senator]

No, see, if you don't let heterosexual black women donate blood, it's discrimination. But gay people? There's no such thing as anti-gay discrimination, since they choose their lifestyles... :whatever:

[The Senator]

No, see, if you don't let heterosexual black women donate blood, it's discrimination. But gay people? There's no such thing as anti-gay discrimination, since they choose their lifestyles... :whatever:

[spideyboy_1111]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)

[spideyboy_1111]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)

[spideyboy_1111]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)

[Anita18]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)
Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

[Anita18]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)
Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

[Anita18]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)
Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

[BlackLantern]

carpool?

[BlackLantern]

carpool?

[BlackLantern]

carpool?

[Anita18]

carpool?
I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

[Anita18]

carpool?
I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

[Anita18]

carpool?
I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

well if there cool and up for history in the making :) then im sure they will be ready :)



the best image yesterday was just seeing the people come out of work and off the streets and stores to join us. I saw one woman run out of boarders, with her book purchase in hand, and join us, i saw women and men in buisness suits join us running out of there office in westwood, i saw 3 girls on the corner holding no on prop 8 signs, who a half hour later, i noticed were walking right beside me. it was touching.. they had to of all been between the ages of 8-12

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

well if there cool and up for history in the making :) then im sure they will be ready :)



the best image yesterday was just seeing the people come out of work and off the streets and stores to join us. I saw one woman run out of boarders, with her book purchase in hand, and join us, i saw women and men in buisness suits join us running out of there office in westwood, i saw 3 girls on the corner holding no on prop 8 signs, who a half hour later, i noticed were walking right beside me. it was touching.. they had to of all been between the ages of 8-12

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

well if there cool and up for history in the making :) then im sure they will be ready :)



the best image yesterday was just seeing the people come out of work and off the streets and stores to join us. I saw one woman run out of boarders, with her book purchase in hand, and join us, i saw women and men in buisness suits join us running out of there office in westwood, i saw 3 girls on the corner holding no on prop 8 signs, who a half hour later, i noticed were walking right beside me. it was touching.. they had to of all been between the ages of 8-12

[deathfromabove]

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

[deathfromabove]

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

[deathfromabove]

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

[Oddzball]

i didnt witness that,


It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

[Oddzball]

i didnt witness that,


It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

[Oddzball]

i didnt witness that,


It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

[spideyboy_1111]

It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

hey now i corrected myself :-P something similar happened here, which is why i was confused lol, then i clicked the link and read

[spideyboy_1111]

It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

hey now i corrected myself :-P something similar happened here, which is why i was confused lol, then i clicked the link and read

[spideyboy_1111]

It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

hey now i corrected myself :-P something similar happened here, which is why i was confused lol, then i clicked the link and read

[spideyboy_1111]

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

agrees, and i personally feel like it's all because as a nation the gay community (as well as gay rights advocates) have truly never joined together. There's been movements and protests, but there nearly always on a small scale, and just a city wide. We need a movement, and people have to be willing to fight for it.

I've talked to a few friends and most are honestly to scared to fight, and that astounds me, they wont protest because there afraid of a protest turning violent. and i find that kinda sad... if your smart about it you dont have to be caught up in it.

[spideyboy_1111]

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

agrees, and i personally feel like it's all because as a nation the gay community (as well as gay rights advocates) have truly never joined together. There's been movements and protests, but there nearly always on a small scale, and just a city wide. We need a movement, and people have to be willing to fight for it.

I've talked to a few friends and most are honestly to scared to fight, and that astounds me, they wont protest because there afraid of a protest turning violent. and i find that kinda sad... if your smart about it you dont have to be caught up in it.

[spideyboy_1111]

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

agrees, and i personally feel like it's all because as a nation the gay community (as well as gay rights advocates) have truly never joined together. There's been movements and protests, but there nearly always on a small scale, and just a city wide. We need a movement, and people have to be willing to fight for it.

I've talked to a few friends and most are honestly to scared to fight, and that astounds me, they wont protest because there afraid of a protest turning violent. and i find that kinda sad... if your smart about it you dont have to be caught up in it.

[Gilpesh]

Hey everyone. Let's just ban marriage altogether because civil unions are just the same.

[Gilpesh]

Hey everyone. Let's just ban marriage altogether because civil unions are just the same.

[Gilpesh]

Hey everyone. Let's just ban marriage altogether because civil unions are just the same.

[BlackLantern]

I just saw an interview on 'Rachel Maddow' about how the anti-prop 8 movement didn't do enough in the Black and Latin communities to get the message out......it's a good point...and Spideyboy, you're right...your side has to stop hoping that people will eventually come around and get out there and make your case