Discussion: Gay Rights II

[Superman4ever]

What a publicity whore. C'mon, did the guy really need to create a play like this, he knew exactly what type of reaction it would generate and that's probably the real reason he's doing it, generate some press for himself and his work.

Exact same could be said about the dutch artist who drew the infamous Muhammad drawings.

The only reason this art was made was for creating a public outcry. He basically states that in the article.

I think it's distasteful and pity, but he wanted to make it so, whatever!

[chaseter]

So you can read minds?
If you think my sparkley poop will make me millions please do tell.

[chaseter]

So you can read minds?
If you think my sparkley poop will make me millions please do tell.

[chaseter]

So you can read minds?
If you think my sparkley poop will make me millions please do tell.

[Addendum]

How do you know the motivation of the person who wrote the play?

[Addendum]

How do you know the motivation of the person who wrote the play?

[Addendum]

How do you know the motivation of the person who wrote the play?

[avpmaster132004]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!

[avpmaster132004]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!

[avpmaster132004]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!

[bullets]

"Gay marriage is between a man and a woman"

[bullets]

"Gay marriage is between a man and a woman"

[bullets]

"Gay marriage is between a man and a woman"

[chaseter]

Polygamy is actually a more beneficial union than monogamy for mankind as a species. It facilitates greater crossbreeding and, therefore, greater diversity in the gene pool.
Actually marriage in general, even polygamy, is less beneficial to genetic variation than just sexin it up with random women. In polygamy and monogamy, you are still bound to a single or set of certain women only:o

[chaseter]

Polygamy is actually a more beneficial union than monogamy for mankind as a species. It facilitates greater crossbreeding and, therefore, greater diversity in the gene pool.
Actually marriage in general, even polygamy, is less beneficial to genetic variation than just sexin it up with random women. In polygamy and monogamy, you are still bound to a single or set of certain women only:o

[chaseter]

Polygamy is actually a more beneficial union than monogamy for mankind as a species. It facilitates greater crossbreeding and, therefore, greater diversity in the gene pool.
Actually marriage in general, even polygamy, is less beneficial to genetic variation than just sexin it up with random women. In polygamy and monogamy, you are still bound to a single or set of certain women only:o

[chaseter]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!
You would rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight couple:huh: Ohhhhhkaaaaay:whatever:

Putting your penis wherever is not a good idea.

[chaseter]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!
You would rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight couple:huh: Ohhhhhkaaaaay:whatever:

Putting your penis wherever is not a good idea.

[chaseter]

I dont support marriage in General. But id rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight one. More intresting.


And ill put my penis in wherever or whoever I want!
You would rather see a gay couple getting married than a straight couple:huh: Ohhhhhkaaaaay:whatever:

Putting your penis wherever is not a good idea.

[Monster]

My dad's gay and he's "married" to his partner.

It's called Civil Partnerships over here.

I reckon you're all being really unfair when you say no, just because YOU don't want to get married to the same sex; doesn't mean you can stop anyone else.

Mmmkay?

[Monster]

My dad's gay and he's "married" to his partner.

It's called Civil Partnerships over here.

I reckon you're all being really unfair when you say no, just because YOU don't want to get married to the same sex; doesn't mean you can stop anyone else.

Mmmkay?

[Monster]

My dad's gay and he's "married" to his partner.

It's called Civil Partnerships over here.

I reckon you're all being really unfair when you say no, just because YOU don't want to get married to the same sex; doesn't mean you can stop anyone else.

Mmmkay?

[spike spiegel]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

[spike spiegel]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

[spike spiegel]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

[DarknessOfDeath]

To be fair... there are certain aspects I agree and disagree with but lets just put it this way - its 50/50 and I have nothing against gays/lesbians.

[DarknessOfDeath]

To be fair... there are certain aspects I agree and disagree with but lets just put it this way - its 50/50 and I have nothing against gays/lesbians.

[DarknessOfDeath]

To be fair... there are certain aspects I agree and disagree with but lets just put it this way - its 50/50 and I have nothing against gays/lesbians.

[Memphis Slim]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

[Memphis Slim]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

[Memphis Slim]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

[Hotwire]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

[Hotwire]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

[Hotwire]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

[raybia]

This is ridiculous. ONE man and ONE woman. What's next? Making divorce illegal? How the hell can you justify not allowing two CONSENTING adults the rights of any other CONSENTING adults?



Because this is American: Land of the free, home of the brave.

[raybia]

This is ridiculous. ONE man and ONE woman. What's next? Making divorce illegal? How the hell can you justify not allowing two CONSENTING adults the rights of any other CONSENTING adults?



Because this is American: Land of the free, home of the brave.

[raybia]

This is ridiculous. ONE man and ONE woman. What's next? Making divorce illegal? How the hell can you justify not allowing two CONSENTING adults the rights of any other CONSENTING adults?



Because this is American: Land of the free, home of the brave.

[Mister Sinister]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

...and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?

[Mister Sinister]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

...and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?

[Mister Sinister]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

...and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?

[raybia]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

Hence the fallacy of the separation of church and state.

[raybia]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

Hence the fallacy of the separation of church and state.

[raybia]

Marriage in this country is no longer sacred, so the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument is BS. If someone wants to save the sanctity of marriage, do something about the 50% divorce rate in this country first. This country was founded with the Decleration of Indipendence, a document where Thomas Jefferson lists certain inalienable rights, one ofv which is the pursuit of happiness. No, if a gay couple wants to pursue happiness together, and they aren't harming others, what's the problem? Just because you disagree with their lifestyle, does not give you the right to legislate your "moral" views on them.

Hence the fallacy of the separation of church and state.

[Ring Deacon]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

[Ring Deacon]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

[Ring Deacon]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

[Cunning Stunts]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

[Cunning Stunts]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

[Cunning Stunts]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

[spike spiegel]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

[spike spiegel]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

[spike spiegel]

To those who say no: in all actuality, how does gay marriage affect you? How does it infringe on your life or lifestyle?

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

[amazingfantasy15]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

I like your first paragraph, hilarious! You have nothing against gay people except the fact the you believe their love life is morally wrong, sure sounds like you have something against gay people.

As for your laws example, an animal isn't able to communicate that he wants to marry a human, two gay people can communicate they want to be together. Also, you're trying to equate gay marriage to murder, really? That's pretty f'ed up man.

[amazingfantasy15]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

I like your first paragraph, hilarious! You have nothing against gay people except the fact the you believe their love life is morally wrong, sure sounds like you have something against gay people.

As for your laws example, an animal isn't able to communicate that he wants to marry a human, two gay people can communicate they want to be together. Also, you're trying to equate gay marriage to murder, really? That's pretty f'ed up man.

[amazingfantasy15]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

I like your first paragraph, hilarious! You have nothing against gay people except the fact the you believe their love life is morally wrong, sure sounds like you have something against gay people.

As for your laws example, an animal isn't able to communicate that he wants to marry a human, two gay people can communicate they want to be together. Also, you're trying to equate gay marriage to murder, really? That's pretty f'ed up man.

[Cunning Stunts]

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

[Cunning Stunts]

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

[Cunning Stunts]

For me, it doesn't.

But like the poster above, my view comes from my religious beliefs, and so it's not something that I can say is morally right.

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

[Sandman138]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

Good for you. Want a gold star?

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them.

Bull****. Those laws are property rights issues. My body is my property, if you murder me, rape me, or rob me you infringe on my property and either myself or my kin are entitled to compensation for said infringment.

I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage?

And I feel that someone who cannot distinguish between sex, gender, and species has no business reproducing let alone rearing a child. Unlike you, though, I am not actively trying to ban your IQ quotient from a marriage or the chance to create a family. I just trust that natural selection will weed you out and that's enough to get me to sleep at night.

How about making it ok to murder people?

We already went over how this is not a question of morals.

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

You wouldn't be able to spot the truth even if it sodomized your sister with a plunger while wearing a clown suit.

[Sandman138]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

Good for you. Want a gold star?

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them.

Bull****. Those laws are property rights issues. My body is my property, if you murder me, rape me, or rob me you infringe on my property and either myself or my kin are entitled to compensation for said infringment.

I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage?

And I feel that someone who cannot distinguish between sex, gender, and species has no business reproducing let alone rearing a child. Unlike you, though, I am not actively trying to ban your IQ quotient from a marriage or the chance to create a family. I just trust that natural selection will weed you out and that's enough to get me to sleep at night.

How about making it ok to murder people?

We already went over how this is not a question of morals.

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

You wouldn't be able to spot the truth even if it sodomized your sister with a plunger while wearing a clown suit.

[Sandman138]

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

Good for you. Want a gold star?

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them.

Bull****. Those laws are property rights issues. My body is my property, if you murder me, rape me, or rob me you infringe on my property and either myself or my kin are entitled to compensation for said infringment.

I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage?

And I feel that someone who cannot distinguish between sex, gender, and species has no business reproducing let alone rearing a child. Unlike you, though, I am not actively trying to ban your IQ quotient from a marriage or the chance to create a family. I just trust that natural selection will weed you out and that's enough to get me to sleep at night.

How about making it ok to murder people?

We already went over how this is not a question of morals.

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

You wouldn't be able to spot the truth even if it sodomized your sister with a plunger while wearing a clown suit.

[Cunning Stunts]

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

[Cunning Stunts]

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

[Cunning Stunts]

The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

[Sandman138]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

Allowing other people to live their lives in no way means that you have to approve of the way they choose to live their lives. It just means your not a totally useless wanker.:o

[Sandman138]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

Allowing other people to live their lives in no way means that you have to approve of the way they choose to live their lives. It just means your not a totally useless wanker.:o

[Sandman138]

It's hard for me to say yes...if I said yes that would mean I was approving of it, and I believe that homosexuality isn't something that's OK, according to my own beliefs - I believe that it is wrong.

I'd have to say no.

Allowing other people to live their lives in no way means that you have to approve of the way they choose to live their lives. It just means your not a totally useless wanker.:o

[spike spiegel]

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

[spike spiegel]

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

[spike spiegel]

Why religion, though? I have Christian friends that have argued this, but when you get down to it:

The Bible really is nothing more than a storybook. It's not a way of life- man has interpreted it numerous times in numerous ways over the past hundreds of years.

Also, morals are only values that you find correct by and for yourself- finding something morally incorrect generally means you simply won't do it, and not that others cannot or should not. Their moral values may be completely different from yours, so why push for laws to ban practices that you find wrong? Isn't that a tad bit selfish?

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

[Figs]

Should have had a third option.

I still don't know where I stand on the issue.

While I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle I still believe in live and let live. Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing for them to get married.

[Figs]

Should have had a third option.

I still don't know where I stand on the issue.

While I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle I still believe in live and let live. Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing for them to get married.

[Figs]

Should have had a third option.

I still don't know where I stand on the issue.

While I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle I still believe in live and let live. Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing for them to get married.

[Captain_BluTac]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

[Captain_BluTac]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

[Captain_BluTac]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

[spike spiegel]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

That's not too bad. Just 1 point.

[spike spiegel]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

That's not too bad. Just 1 point.

[spike spiegel]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.

That's not too bad. Just 1 point.

[Captain_BluTac]

You would be surprised how many idiots that call themselves Christians are here.

[Captain_BluTac]

You would be surprised how many idiots that call themselves Christians are here.

[Captain_BluTac]

You would be surprised how many idiots that call themselves Christians are here.

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Mr. Sinister: .and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?


Naaa. you are trying to make us all think that this behavior is normal. Heck, if it was the norm, none of us would be here.

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Mr. Sinister: .and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?


Naaa. you are trying to make us all think that this behavior is normal. Heck, if it was the norm, none of us would be here.

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Mr. Sinister: .and?

Are you trying to say that gays and allies are anti-heterosexual?


Naaa. you are trying to make us all think that this behavior is normal. Heck, if it was the norm, none of us would be here.

[SuBe]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.
Way to be Tollerant! :up:

[SuBe]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.
Way to be Tollerant! :up:

[SuBe]

Every time a Christian joins the hype this place drops an IQ point.
Way to be Tollerant! :up:

[Captain_BluTac]

Way to be Tollerant! :up:

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

[Captain_BluTac]

Way to be Tollerant! :up:

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

[Captain_BluTac]

Way to be Tollerant! :up:

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

[spike spiegel]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

There's a book out there called "It's Not Christianity I mind, It's Christians I can't stand."

Don't worry though, not all believers are full of self-righteousness and bitter hatred and carry a pedestal with them wherever they go. Although Christians need to correct those attitudes in their fellow believers. Iron sharpens iron.

[spike spiegel]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

There's a book out there called "It's Not Christianity I mind, It's Christians I can't stand."

Don't worry though, not all believers are full of self-righteousness and bitter hatred and carry a pedestal with them wherever they go. Although Christians need to correct those attitudes in their fellow believers. Iron sharpens iron.

[spike spiegel]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

There's a book out there called "It's Not Christianity I mind, It's Christians I can't stand."

Don't worry though, not all believers are full of self-righteousness and bitter hatred and carry a pedestal with them wherever they go. Although Christians need to correct those attitudes in their fellow believers. Iron sharpens iron.

[SuBe]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

[SuBe]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

[SuBe]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

[bell110]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

[bell110]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

[bell110]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.

I have to say no. While I have nothing against someone who choses that lifestyle, I do not agree with it. Call it my religous beliefs if you want to, I just feel it is morally wrong.

And lets not get into a debate about the government having no right to say what is morally wrong. The government has every right to make laws based on moral beliefs. Murder, rape and robbery are all morally wrong and we have laws against them. I feel if you are going to allow gay marriage then why not aniamal marriage? How about making it ok to murder people? The point is you can take about the separation between church and state all you want, but the truth is all laws are based on what is morally right or wrong.

Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

[Captain_BluTac]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.

[Captain_BluTac]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.

[Captain_BluTac]

It goes both ways, you can't spew hatred for one group in one hand and ask for tolerance for yourself in the other.

I can understand that some people may be spewing at the mouth crap. But doing the same doesn't fix it.

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.

[Captain_BluTac]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.

[Captain_BluTac]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.

[Captain_BluTac]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.

[SuBe]

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.
I just don't like seeing people being disrespectful both ways. You know what I mean?

I can't give less of a **** if two guys want to get married, or whatever! What does it concern me? That doesn't change my love for my women one bit.

I agree with you that Christians need to settle their sins with god, and shut up about others lives, but you need to do the same. It is NOT Christianity, it is the person. The Person is the one that needs to change.

You need to be tolerant of their beliefs, just as they need to be tolerant of yours.

[SuBe]

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.
I just don't like seeing people being disrespectful both ways. You know what I mean?

I can't give less of a **** if two guys want to get married, or whatever! What does it concern me? That doesn't change my love for my women one bit.

I agree with you that Christians need to settle their sins with god, and shut up about others lives, but you need to do the same. It is NOT Christianity, it is the person. The Person is the one that needs to change.

You need to be tolerant of their beliefs, just as they need to be tolerant of yours.

[SuBe]

Although that is logical, you can't apply logic to other people illogical hate.
I just don't like seeing people being disrespectful both ways. You know what I mean?

I can't give less of a **** if two guys want to get married, or whatever! What does it concern me? That doesn't change my love for my women one bit.

I agree with you that Christians need to settle their sins with god, and shut up about others lives, but you need to do the same. It is NOT Christianity, it is the person. The Person is the one that needs to change.

You need to be tolerant of their beliefs, just as they need to be tolerant of yours.

[GoldenAgeHero]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.


everyone sins, no matter what thier beliefs. what matters is if your trying to do anything about it..are you trying to become a better person, do you have a personal relationship with god,have you accepted him into your heart?


when you point stuff out like that to try to make christians look bad or whatever..just makes you look petty and dumb..since your post proves nothing.

[GoldenAgeHero]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.


everyone sins, no matter what thier beliefs. what matters is if your trying to do anything about it..are you trying to become a better person, do you have a personal relationship with god,have you accepted him into your heart?


when you point stuff out like that to try to make christians look bad or whatever..just makes you look petty and dumb..since your post proves nothing.

[GoldenAgeHero]

To be honest, I have a simple question for any Christians, What is your favorite song, if your answer is not a hymn you are sinning as all music bar hymns are an affront to god.


everyone sins, no matter what thier beliefs. what matters is if your trying to do anything about it..are you trying to become a better person, do you have a personal relationship with god,have you accepted him into your heart?


when you point stuff out like that to try to make christians look bad or whatever..just makes you look petty and dumb..since your post proves nothing.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.



1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

......:huh:


although im not well versed in the bible..I'm pretty sure there was a verse somewhere where god said it was okay.....not sure tho.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.



1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

......:huh:


although im not well versed in the bible..I'm pretty sure there was a verse somewhere where god said it was okay.....not sure tho.

[GoldenAgeHero]

You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



Murder, rape and robbery are crimes against other people. You can't compare them to gay marriage.



1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

......:huh:


although im not well versed in the bible..I'm pretty sure there was a verse somewhere where god said it was okay.....not sure tho.

[Captain_BluTac]

GAH read the sermon on the mount, its got a nice little section on divorce.

[Captain_BluTac]

GAH read the sermon on the mount, its got a nice little section on divorce.

[Captain_BluTac]

GAH read the sermon on the mount, its got a nice little section on divorce.

[SuBe]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

[SuBe]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

[SuBe]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

[Tally Man]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

[Tally Man]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

[Tally Man]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

[Sandman138]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[Sandman138]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[Sandman138]

Why does this discussion have to be about the Bible? What does the Constitution say?

*skims the Constitution*

Nope, not in there. Hmm.... If there was a Constitution ban on Gay Marriage, that would be the first Amendment to remove a freedom. Just sayin'

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

[Sandman138]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

And we all know how well that one worked out.

[Sandman138]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

And we all know how well that one worked out.

[Sandman138]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)

And we all know how well that one worked out.

[Tally Man]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

[Tally Man]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

[Tally Man]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

[Majik1387]

Continued from previous thread.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=304026

Yes, anyone who says otherwise has an idiotic ideal about marriage.

[Majik1387]

Continued from previous thread.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=304026

Yes, anyone who says otherwise has an idiotic ideal about marriage.

[Majik1387]

Continued from previous thread.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=304026

Yes, anyone who says otherwise has an idiotic ideal about marriage.

[SuBe]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)
*Cough* 21st *Cough*

[SuBe]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)
*Cough* 21st *Cough*

[SuBe]

cough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion)
*Cough* 21st *Cough*

[Sandman138]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

But see you're missing the bigger picture of peace, love, and understanding. Don't you see? Orthodox Jews and Militant Muslims can come together... to hate on queers. The lord works in mysterious ways. Don't question it. Just stone the next *** you see. That's the power of faith.

[Sandman138]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

But see you're missing the bigger picture of peace, love, and understanding. Don't you see? Orthodox Jews and Militant Muslims can come together... to hate on queers. The lord works in mysterious ways. Don't question it. Just stone the next *** you see. That's the power of faith.

[Sandman138]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7255657.stm

Ironically enough I just saw this news story just as I was reading this thread. I can't fathom how someone can blame national disasters on homosexuality. You'd think God would have some more pressing issues like say Darfur instead of wasting his time sending natural disasters to countries that don't hate homosexuals.

But see you're missing the bigger picture of peace, love, and understanding. Don't you see? Orthodox Jews and Militant Muslims can come together... to hate on queers. The lord works in mysterious ways. Don't question it. Just stone the next *** you see. That's the power of faith.

[Mr Sparkle]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

isn't it Ironic ( and on topic) that Gay marriage doesn't prevent heterosexual unions in any way shape or form?


yup, makes no sense really to be opposed to it, does it?
thanks man, every once in a while you make a good argument.
that was your argument right?
that being against gay marriage is dumb since it doesn't affect other marriages?

[Mr Sparkle]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

isn't it Ironic ( and on topic) that Gay marriage doesn't prevent heterosexual unions in any way shape or form?


yup, makes no sense really to be opposed to it, does it?
thanks man, every once in a while you make a good argument.
that was your argument right?
that being against gay marriage is dumb since it doesn't affect other marriages?

[Mr Sparkle]

Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

isn't it Ironic ( and on topic) that Gay marriage doesn't prevent heterosexual unions in any way shape or form?


yup, makes no sense really to be opposed to it, does it?
thanks man, every once in a while you make a good argument.
that was your argument right?
that being against gay marriage is dumb since it doesn't affect other marriages?

[C. Lee]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.

[C. Lee]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.

[C. Lee]

I will gladly tolerate people having private beliefs, but Christianity has quite grasped the fact that they have no right to vocalize their hateful beliefs.

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.

[SuBe]

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.
:up:

[SuBe]

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.
:up:

[SuBe]

It seems that some people also haven't grasped the idea that constantly speaking hatred towards peole who say they are Christians is also expressing a hateful belief and should not be tolerated.

How about everyone here acting civil and stopping the hatred.
:up:

[Cunning Stunts]

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

[Cunning Stunts]

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

[Cunning Stunts]

Well for me, being a Christian, I see the Bible as a way of life. If I say that I'm a follower of Christ, and the Bible portrays homosexuality as something that is wrong, and does not in anyway justify it, then I'm going to walk that way. I'm under the authority of God. So if I say that homosexuality is OK, and that I'm supporting it, then I'm basically telling God that his law is wrong. So it becomes more than just my own moral value and my own view. It's God's moral law to me.

The reason behind it being that God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, and he "said it was good." And in Matthew Jesus calls this relationship sacred and something that is "joined by God." And so he says, "Therefore let not man seperate what God has joined together." Of course he's talking about divorce there, but in my mind it can be applied to the case of homosexuality as well. So in my beliefs, when God created marriage between a man and a woman, it was the only marriage that was meant to be, and no other kind of marriage could be justified.

So the reason why some Christians who are opposed to gay marriage might want to disallow and ban it, might be because they are obeying a higher authority, God, and not just their own view or opinion on things. It's a different mindset for that group. They don't believe they are being selfish by opposing gay marriage, they believe they are obeying God's law.

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

[jks]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.

[jks]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.

[jks]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.

[Bubonic]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

[Bubonic]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

[Bubonic]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

[Carcharodon]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.It's icky. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.It's icky. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

4 year old thread and still no one has ONE legitimate reason against it.It's icky. :csad:

[Tally Man]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

I think they are more going for the legal recognition which comes from the civil contract of marriage that the government recognizes. Religion only seems to really come in on the sides that don't want to see any form of gay marriage happen.

[Tally Man]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

I think they are more going for the legal recognition which comes from the civil contract of marriage that the government recognizes. Religion only seems to really come in on the sides that don't want to see any form of gay marriage happen.

[Tally Man]

I can't see why they would want to participate in a ceremony which is part of a religion that clearly loathes their existence.
Why does anyone need a stupid ceremony in order to be with someone they love, what a bunch of tripe.
If they want the extra hassles and cost, it should be their right.

I think they are more going for the legal recognition which comes from the civil contract of marriage that the government recognizes. Religion only seems to really come in on the sides that don't want to see any form of gay marriage happen.

[spike spiegel]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

I believe that God does both of those things - yet despite His grace I also believe that we should strive to live as best as we can. I truly believe in grace, but I also believe in the moral law He's laid down.

Paul states it specifically in Romans and also in 1 Corinthians that homosexuality is sinful, and I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

[spike spiegel]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

I believe that God does both of those things - yet despite His grace I also believe that we should strive to live as best as we can. I truly believe in grace, but I also believe in the moral law He's laid down.

Paul states it specifically in Romans and also in 1 Corinthians that homosexuality is sinful, and I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

[spike spiegel]

Doesn't God love everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God accept everyone, no matter what?

Doesn't God forgive everyone, no matter what?

If those are all answered with "yes," then what's your deal against homosexuality?

Also, I've previously done a little research on the Bible's interpretation of "Homosexuality laws." All of which point to the sole fact that the Bible is merely based on interpretation. You're not reading God's law, my friend. You're reading man's law that has God's name falsly endorsing it.

I believe that God does both of those things - yet despite His grace I also believe that we should strive to live as best as we can. I truly believe in grace, but I also believe in the moral law He's laid down.

Paul states it specifically in Romans and also in 1 Corinthians that homosexuality is sinful, and I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

[spike spiegel]

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

[spike spiegel]

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

[spike spiegel]

1. The key words there are "to me". How would you feel if someone tried to ban christianity via amendment because they found it immoral?

2. Since divorce is immoral according to God, shouldn't it be banned aswell? I don't see christians trying to get an amendment against divorce.

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Bell10: You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Bell10: You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

[Memphis Slim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis Slim http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=14109182#post14109182)
Isn't it ironic that none us (straight or homosexual) would exist, if not for a "heterosexual" union between two people?? :yay:

Fascinating...

Bell10: You're mistaking marriage and procreation.



No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

No.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

No.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

No.

[QueerMike]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.

[QueerMike]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.

[QueerMike]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.

[Addendum]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

[Addendum]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

[Addendum]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

[Mr. Socko]

Aye..........yie, yie.

[Mr. Socko]

Aye..........yie, yie.

[Mr. Socko]

Aye..........yie, yie.

[Mr Sparkle]

.
Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?

no we can't.
why are you trying to make something that YOU particularly don't like "abnormal" ?

Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

you are welcome to disagree.
you can disagree with gay marriage all you like, you can disagree with homosexuality all you like.
you're entitled to, and that merely makes you misguided, not necesarily a hateful person.
however, this is not about me and you agreeing, this is about people being denied something based upon that disagreement, being denied equal status as humans, because you deem them " abnormal"
of course, you would agree with this would you not?
this is not about you accepting homosexuality, this is not about you thinking it's right.
this is about basic rights under the law that certain couples are entitled to, that they are being denied because you disagree with them, while you suffer no consequense from this disagreement,


People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

so, you actually have no reason for it then?
because you keep talking about serious dialogue, but I and others have asked how it affects you and this is what you bring to the table?
how is a transexual teacher related to Gay marriage?
how is hate crime legislation related to Gay marriage?
in the end after all the rhetoric you talk about disagreement, you talk about dialogue, but you wish to impose your will upon others and your rationale is fear of them imposing on you?

that is bizarre, that's illogical, irrational, and you should at least realize this.

I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

[Mr Sparkle]

.
Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?

no we can't.
why are you trying to make something that YOU particularly don't like "abnormal" ?

Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

you are welcome to disagree.
you can disagree with gay marriage all you like, you can disagree with homosexuality all you like.
you're entitled to, and that merely makes you misguided, not necesarily a hateful person.
however, this is not about me and you agreeing, this is about people being denied something based upon that disagreement, being denied equal status as humans, because you deem them " abnormal"
of course, you would agree with this would you not?
this is not about you accepting homosexuality, this is not about you thinking it's right.
this is about basic rights under the law that certain couples are entitled to, that they are being denied because you disagree with them, while you suffer no consequense from this disagreement,


People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

so, you actually have no reason for it then?
because you keep talking about serious dialogue, but I and others have asked how it affects you and this is what you bring to the table?
how is a transexual teacher related to Gay marriage?
how is hate crime legislation related to Gay marriage?
in the end after all the rhetoric you talk about disagreement, you talk about dialogue, but you wish to impose your will upon others and your rationale is fear of them imposing on you?

that is bizarre, that's illogical, irrational, and you should at least realize this.

I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

[Mr Sparkle]

.
Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?

no we can't.
why are you trying to make something that YOU particularly don't like "abnormal" ?

Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

you are welcome to disagree.
you can disagree with gay marriage all you like, you can disagree with homosexuality all you like.
you're entitled to, and that merely makes you misguided, not necesarily a hateful person.
however, this is not about me and you agreeing, this is about people being denied something based upon that disagreement, being denied equal status as humans, because you deem them " abnormal"
of course, you would agree with this would you not?
this is not about you accepting homosexuality, this is not about you thinking it's right.
this is about basic rights under the law that certain couples are entitled to, that they are being denied because you disagree with them, while you suffer no consequense from this disagreement,


People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

so, you actually have no reason for it then?
because you keep talking about serious dialogue, but I and others have asked how it affects you and this is what you bring to the table?
how is a transexual teacher related to Gay marriage?
how is hate crime legislation related to Gay marriage?
in the end after all the rhetoric you talk about disagreement, you talk about dialogue, but you wish to impose your will upon others and your rationale is fear of them imposing on you?

that is bizarre, that's illogical, irrational, and you should at least realize this.

I believe in "God-breathed Scripture", that what is written in the Bible by man is inspired by God, and therefore it is God's law. That is what I believe in.

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

[Mr Sparkle]

the largest problem is that the people making the argument against gay marriage all act like law is the only thing stopping thousands of dudes and chicks from turning gay.
just, reeks of repressed homosexuality.

[Mr Sparkle]

the largest problem is that the people making the argument against gay marriage all act like law is the only thing stopping thousands of dudes and chicks from turning gay.
just, reeks of repressed homosexuality.

[Mr Sparkle]

the largest problem is that the people making the argument against gay marriage all act like law is the only thing stopping thousands of dudes and chicks from turning gay.
just, reeks of repressed homosexuality.

[Cunning Stunts]

I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

Bwahaha. Was it scented soap?:o

[Cunning Stunts]

I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

Bwahaha. Was it scented soap?:o

[Cunning Stunts]

I tried saying your screen-name three times in quick succession. I got my mouth washed out with soap. :csad:

Bwahaha. Was it scented soap?:o

[QueerMike]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

[QueerMike]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

[QueerMike]

If gay marriage is allowed in the US, that in no way is making religion conform to homosexuals. That would violate the free exercise clause of the first amendment, and marriage is not only in the realm of religion. The government can perform marriages without a religion's involvement.

So this fear of the government making a little ol'e church in the "heartland" perform a gay marriage is just groundless.

And celldog's comment about gay marriage being a "linch pin to everything else" reads like the domino theory from the Vietnam War. The domino theory has since been proven false because the rest of Southeast Asia did not become communist after South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam.

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

[Mr Sparkle]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

why?

[Mr Sparkle]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

why?

[Mr Sparkle]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

why?

[Cunning Stunts]

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

Yeah, and you obviously didn't read my other posts. Morals are NOT what is right and what is wrong, they are YOUR OWN choices made based on your lessons you've learned and your experiences.

It's pretty selfish of you to push YOUR OWN values on other people who don't hold the same values as you. Apparently they didn't teach Christians to think these days.

Hence why I left the church.

[Cunning Stunts]

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

Yeah, and you obviously didn't read my other posts. Morals are NOT what is right and what is wrong, they are YOUR OWN choices made based on your lessons you've learned and your experiences.

It's pretty selfish of you to push YOUR OWN values on other people who don't hold the same values as you. Apparently they didn't teach Christians to think these days.

Hence why I left the church.

[Cunning Stunts]

1. I wouldn't be thrilled at all about it. But the important thing to understand about my and other Christian's worldview is that it is their worldview. It doesn't just come down to "everyone can have their own opinion and take their lives into their hands any way they want." It's because we believe we are called to intervene and be the "salt and light" of the world. Christians want to change the world. They want a miracle, whether or not the world wants one.

2. Divorce is immoral except in the case of sexual immorality. And no, I don't see any Christians trying to ban divorce either.

EDIT: sorry, double post...

Yeah, and you obviously didn't read my other posts. Morals are NOT what is right and what is wrong, they are YOUR OWN choices made based on your lessons you've learned and your experiences.

It's pretty selfish of you to push YOUR OWN values on other people who don't hold the same values as you. Apparently they didn't teach Christians to think these days.

Hence why I left the church.

[Majik1387]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.
What are you going on about?:huh:
Aye..........yie, yie.
You stole my sentiments!:cmad:
The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.
why?
Yes, tell us why QueerMike...:whatever:

[Majik1387]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.
What are you going on about?:huh:
Aye..........yie, yie.
You stole my sentiments!:cmad:
The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.
why?
Yes, tell us why QueerMike...:whatever:

[Majik1387]

If they want to form their own little gay religon, that's fine, but I don't think current religon's or governments shoulfd conform to these people.
What are you going on about?:huh:
Aye..........yie, yie.
You stole my sentiments!:cmad:
The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.
why?
Yes, tell us why QueerMike...:whatever:

[QueerMike]

why?

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

[QueerMike]

why?

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

[QueerMike]

why?

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

[Majik1387]

Cuz the gay population isn't really much of a minority.:o

[Majik1387]

Cuz the gay population isn't really much of a minority.:o

[Majik1387]

Cuz the gay population isn't really much of a minority.:o

[Mr Sparkle]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

because it has done so before.
pretty much the reason government is there, so it doesn't become "mob rule":cwink:

[Mr Sparkle]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

because it has done so before.
pretty much the reason government is there, so it doesn't become "mob rule":cwink:

[Mr Sparkle]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?

because it has done so before.
pretty much the reason government is there, so it doesn't become "mob rule":cwink:

[Jerry!]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?


You're ****ing hilarious. I really didn't think someone named "QueerMike" would have a problem with the gays getting married. He also asks people if they are gay when they don't vote for the movies he likes in his tournament. Oh no Little Miss Sunshine advanced!! The whole world has gone gay!

[Jerry!]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?


You're ****ing hilarious. I really didn't think someone named "QueerMike" would have a problem with the gays getting married. He also asks people if they are gay when they don't vote for the movies he likes in his tournament. Oh no Little Miss Sunshine advanced!! The whole world has gone gay!

[Jerry!]

Why should the government please the minority when it upsets the majority?


You're ****ing hilarious. I really didn't think someone named "QueerMike" would have a problem with the gays getting married. He also asks people if they are gay when they don't vote for the movies he likes in his tournament. Oh no Little Miss Sunshine advanced!! The whole world has gone gay!

[The Senator]

The religious argument should be completely a moot point now. Several religious denominations, including the Lutheran church, the United Church of Christ, and the Unitarian Universalists, have expressed their belief that two members of the same sex should have the ability to marry if they so wish. Politicians have used religion as the foundation for their argument against gay marriage, but if several religious denominations are willing to marry gays, doesn't that speak volumes?

I personally think marriage should be a religious ceremony, and that any decision regarding gay marriage should be left to the church. That said, if you're a member of a denomination which doesn't support gay marriage, or if you're someone who doesn't follow any religion at all, you should be able to get a civil union. I think civil unions should be available to all people, regardless of gender, sexuality or religious affiliation. That way, two people can be together if they so wish, with the same benefits a married couple is entitled to, but without interfering with the whole "religious" debate.

[The Senator]

The religious argument should be completely a moot point now. Several religious denominations, including the Lutheran church, the United Church of Christ, and the Unitarian Universalists, have expressed their belief that two members of the same sex should have the ability to marry if they so wish. Politicians have used religion as the foundation for their argument against gay marriage, but if several religious denominations are willing to marry gays, doesn't that speak volumes?

I personally think marriage should be a religious ceremony, and that any decision regarding gay marriage should be left to the church. That said, if you're a member of a denomination which doesn't support gay marriage, or if you're someone who doesn't follow any religion at all, you should be able to get a civil union. I think civil unions should be available to all people, regardless of gender, sexuality or religious affiliation. That way, two people can be together if they so wish, with the same benefits a married couple is entitled to, but without interfering with the whole "religious" debate.

[The Senator]

The religious argument should be completely a moot point now. Several religious denominations, including the Lutheran church, the United Church of Christ, and the Unitarian Universalists, have expressed their belief that two members of the same sex should have the ability to marry if they so wish. Politicians have used religion as the foundation for their argument against gay marriage, but if several religious denominations are willing to marry gays, doesn't that speak volumes?

I personally think marriage should be a religious ceremony, and that any decision regarding gay marriage should be left to the church. That said, if you're a member of a denomination which doesn't support gay marriage, or if you're someone who doesn't follow any religion at all, you should be able to get a civil union. I think civil unions should be available to all people, regardless of gender, sexuality or religious affiliation. That way, two people can be together if they so wish, with the same benefits a married couple is entitled to, but without interfering with the whole "religious" debate.

[The Senator]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

The government also shouldn't go out of its way to make same-sex marriage illegal. Amending the constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayers money on a non-issue which doesn't really affect anyone at all-- except the gay people who will be denied the right to their own personal happiness.

[The Senator]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

The government also shouldn't go out of its way to make same-sex marriage illegal. Amending the constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayers money on a non-issue which doesn't really affect anyone at all-- except the gay people who will be denied the right to their own personal happiness.

[The Senator]

The government should not go out of it'd way either to make same-sex marriages legal. Meaning: They shouldn't trouble themselve with making new laws or modifying old one.

The government also shouldn't go out of its way to make same-sex marriage illegal. Amending the constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayers money on a non-issue which doesn't really affect anyone at all-- except the gay people who will be denied the right to their own personal happiness.

[The Senator]

No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

So, would you be against civil unions for homosexuals, which would give them the same rights and benefits as a married couple? I mean, this isn't a perfect world. It will never conform to your standards, or my standards for that matter. Gays will always be here, as much as that may disdain some people. And to be perfectly honest, some of us don't have an agenda. My only agenda is that I should be able to be with the man that I love throughout the remainder of my life. I have no desire to turn children gay, to spread the idea of sin and sodomy through the streets... I want to live my day-to-day life with the person I love at my side. And if something happens to me, I want to be assured that he gets whatever benefits or life insurance policy or what have you which he would be rightfully entitled to, as my partner and my lover. Would you be against a government union which wouldn't bring religion into the equation whatsoever?

[The Senator]

No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

So, would you be against civil unions for homosexuals, which would give them the same rights and benefits as a married couple? I mean, this isn't a perfect world. It will never conform to your standards, or my standards for that matter. Gays will always be here, as much as that may disdain some people. And to be perfectly honest, some of us don't have an agenda. My only agenda is that I should be able to be with the man that I love throughout the remainder of my life. I have no desire to turn children gay, to spread the idea of sin and sodomy through the streets... I want to live my day-to-day life with the person I love at my side. And if something happens to me, I want to be assured that he gets whatever benefits or life insurance policy or what have you which he would be rightfully entitled to, as my partner and my lover. Would you be against a government union which wouldn't bring religion into the equation whatsoever?

[The Senator]

No I'm not. I'm talking sexual attraction that leads to the act....which leads to conception.....which leads to birth.

Marriage doesn't have to enter this equation. That's how people get here. You...me everybody. Man and woman. It's the normal way of things. And even gay people owe their very existence to heterosexual sex. And if the norm was homosexuality, man would die out.....go extinct. Becuase there would not be the first thing needed---heterosexual attraction.

Look....can we not agree that it is not normal? And why are you trying make the abnormal, normal?


I also get tired of the extreme and shrill rhetoric. Hatred...bigotry....homophobe.....so lame and trite. No one has yet answered this question: Since when does I disagree with you become I hate you?

Stuff like that is what keeps a serious dialogue from happening.

People keep asking, "How does this effect your family?" Look people...no man is an island. Societal change will eventually reach in and touch your household sooner or later....it may be thru some strange new cirriculum they're trying to teach at your kid's school. It may be some transexual teaching your impressionable child. It maybe thru some legislation that keeps your pastor from preaching against what is considered a sin for fear of "hate crime legislation". Gay marriage is the linch pin to everything else....to making this normal.

Sorry... I disagree. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.

So, would you be against civil unions for homosexuals, which would give them the same rights and benefits as a married couple? I mean, this isn't a perfect world. It will never conform to your standards, or my standards for that matter. Gays will always be here, as much as that may disdain some people. And to be perfectly honest, some of us don't have an agenda. My only agenda is that I should be able to be with the man that I love throughout the remainder of my life. I have no desire to turn children gay, to spread the idea of sin and sodomy through the streets... I want to live my day-to-day life with the person I love at my side. And if something happens to me, I want to be assured that he gets whatever benefits or life insurance policy or what have you which he would be rightfully entitled to, as my partner and my lover. Would you be against a government union which wouldn't bring religion into the equation whatsoever?

[Sandman138]

Unitarian Universalists,

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

[Sandman138]

Unitarian Universalists,

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

[Sandman138]

Unitarian Universalists,

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

[spike spiegel]

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

What part of the Bible directs a Christian to be violent? I'm not sure what you mean, or where you got that idea.

[spike spiegel]

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

What part of the Bible directs a Christian to be violent? I'm not sure what you mean, or where you got that idea.

[spike spiegel]

I grow weary of this "most christians = ignorant of their own religion" argument, so instead of making that the basis for my response I'll ask,
do you therefore follow every aspect of the Bible as directed by it?
because frankly that's difficult and violent, and I seriously wonder how you could.

What part of the Bible directs a Christian to be violent? I'm not sure what you mean, or where you got that idea.

[The Senator]

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

I wasn't talking about Christian denominations explicitly, I was talking about religious denominations as a whole. I am Unitarian Universalist myself, so I felt obligated to include that.

[The Senator]

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

I wasn't talking about Christian denominations explicitly, I was talking about religious denominations as a whole. I am Unitarian Universalist myself, so I felt obligated to include that.

[The Senator]

Probably not the best example to use. Most UUs don't consider themselves Christian and I have yet to meet a Christian that wasn't UCC that wanted to be associated with us in any way.

I wasn't talking about Christian denominations explicitly, I was talking about religious denominations as a whole. I am Unitarian Universalist myself, so I felt obligated to include that.

[Ring Deacon]

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

Well if you read US history, this country was founded by people seeking religous freedom. The laws we put into place were and are based on the laws that are in the bible. The bible whether you believe in God or not teaches us right from wrong, and teaches morals. The laws put forth by God in the bible are still used today in this and most countries.

Yes there are some F'ed up laws in some other countries, and there are some here too. (partial birth abortion for one is just wrong) But the fact remains that our laws in this country were based on the bible, and still are. We have separated church from state but faith and state still walk hand in hand.

Now while there are a few churches that are supporting gay marriage mine isn't one of them. Most are doing from a stand point of wanting more members to join their church and not from a true supportive nature. Now if you believe in the bible as it is writen then you believe being gay is a sin, it says so in many parts of the bible. Now while I don't hate anyone and I have a few gay friends that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they do in their personal life.

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?

All I am saying is to change this law you have to change what is morally right and wrong. and no one in the government ( even with church and state being separate) is going to stand up to the bible.

[Ring Deacon]

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

Well if you read US history, this country was founded by people seeking religous freedom. The laws we put into place were and are based on the laws that are in the bible. The bible whether you believe in God or not teaches us right from wrong, and teaches morals. The laws put forth by God in the bible are still used today in this and most countries.

Yes there are some F'ed up laws in some other countries, and there are some here too. (partial birth abortion for one is just wrong) But the fact remains that our laws in this country were based on the bible, and still are. We have separated church from state but faith and state still walk hand in hand.

Now while there are a few churches that are supporting gay marriage mine isn't one of them. Most are doing from a stand point of wanting more members to join their church and not from a true supportive nature. Now if you believe in the bible as it is writen then you believe being gay is a sin, it says so in many parts of the bible. Now while I don't hate anyone and I have a few gay friends that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they do in their personal life.

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?

All I am saying is to change this law you have to change what is morally right and wrong. and no one in the government ( even with church and state being separate) is going to stand up to the bible.

[Ring Deacon]

Not true. For starters, read my previous post, and if you're coming back for seconds, abortion is under heat as to whether or not it's morally right or wrong, yet it's allowed. Not making my own judging statement here, but that's a prime example in my opinion.

Also, in Africa, female circumcision is allowed by their "law." Maybe it's not a written law, but it's not an offense over there.

Also, under Hitler's martial law, he allowed the killing of millions of people from walks of life that didn't fall under his specific image of "perfection."

So, no, my friend. You're wrong. Completely wrong.

Well if you read US history, this country was founded by people seeking religous freedom. The laws we put into place were and are based on the laws that are in the bible. The bible whether you believe in God or not teaches us right from wrong, and teaches morals. The laws put forth by God in the bible are still used today in this and most countries.

Yes there are some F'ed up laws in some other countries, and there are some here too. (partial birth abortion for one is just wrong) But the fact remains that our laws in this country were based on the bible, and still are. We have separated church from state but faith and state still walk hand in hand.

Now while there are a few churches that are supporting gay marriage mine isn't one of them. Most are doing from a stand point of wanting more members to join their church and not from a true supportive nature. Now if you believe in the bible as it is writen then you believe being gay is a sin, it says so in many parts of the bible. Now while I don't hate anyone and I have a few gay friends that doesn't mean I have to agree with what they do in their personal life.

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?

All I am saying is to change this law you have to change what is morally right and wrong. and no one in the government ( even with church and state being separate) is going to stand up to the bible.

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It's so depressing that there is actually 120 people who voted 'No'.

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It's so depressing that there is actually 120 people who voted 'No'.

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It's so depressing that there is actually 120 people who voted 'No'.

[Jerry!]

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?



People wanting to marry their dogs, animals, whatever, that all exists NOW. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to suddenly have that kind of effect, it's a stupid assumption to make. How did you manage to compare drug dealers to this? Drug dealers literally are poisoning people, gay marriage doesn't do that in the least. This is just crazy. You want to talk about stretching, here is a prime example.

[Jerry!]

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?



People wanting to marry their dogs, animals, whatever, that all exists NOW. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to suddenly have that kind of effect, it's a stupid assumption to make. How did you manage to compare drug dealers to this? Drug dealers literally are poisoning people, gay marriage doesn't do that in the least. This is just crazy. You want to talk about stretching, here is a prime example.

[Jerry!]

Now on to what else I have said. Ok fine lest say we make same sex marriage legal. Who is to sat that someone isn't going to want to marry their dog, or a tree or maybe their car. Now while these people are crazy for wanting to do that who are we to judge them? they feel strongly about it so they should be aloud to do it. How about making it legal to sell drugs? After all it isn't the drug dealers fault that his buyers are adicted. So that should be ok to do even if someone ODs. Oh lets get back to marriage, why not make it legal to have as many wives or husbands as you want at the same time. I mean do you love your 20th wife any less then your first? I don't think so. Oh and lest let borthers and sisters marry too, I mean how else are we going to make sure our blood line stays pure?



People wanting to marry their dogs, animals, whatever, that all exists NOW. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to suddenly have that kind of effect, it's a stupid assumption to make. How did you manage to compare drug dealers to this? Drug dealers literally are poisoning people, gay marriage doesn't do that in the least. This is just crazy. You want to talk about stretching, here is a prime example.