Discussion: Gay Rights II

[Ion Kenshin]

That has to be about the worst, most counterproductive idea I've ever heard of. Respond to bigotry with bigotry in kind? What's next? Gays harassing blacks, calling them their equivalent of the slurs we're so used to being on the receiving end of, as has already happened a couple times in these protests? Yea, that will help get people to accept us. :whatever:

You don't know which blacks and latinos voted yes on Proposition 8 and which voted no. For that matter, you don't know which blacks and latinos are gay and which ones are straight.

All I can say is, I'm glad I'm not a black gay man, because it sounds like I'd be getting it from both sides. A majority of your own culture is down on you, and some fellow gays who should all be united together against this assume you're one of the homophobes because you're black.



This is a good idea.
That would be me right here
...which is ironic considering that the bling and fashion of the rap community often comes from the homosexual community.
which i always find amusing....most fashion and highly popular music comes from they gay community or with the gay stamp of approval :D . Hell look at a large majority of designers they are almost all gay. And musically at least in the pop scene the gays can make or break or song. Look at some of the major popular pop artists. Madonna, Cher, J-Lo, The Pussycat Dolls etc. while they may or may not be good artists or singers is besides the point, they have huge gay followings.

[Ion Kenshin]

That has to be about the worst, most counterproductive idea I've ever heard of. Respond to bigotry with bigotry in kind? What's next? Gays harassing blacks, calling them their equivalent of the slurs we're so used to being on the receiving end of, as has already happened a couple times in these protests? Yea, that will help get people to accept us. :whatever:

You don't know which blacks and latinos voted yes on Proposition 8 and which voted no. For that matter, you don't know which blacks and latinos are gay and which ones are straight.

All I can say is, I'm glad I'm not a black gay man, because it sounds like I'd be getting it from both sides. A majority of your own culture is down on you, and some fellow gays who should all be united together against this assume you're one of the homophobes because you're black.



This is a good idea.
That would be me right here
...which is ironic considering that the bling and fashion of the rap community often comes from the homosexual community.
which i always find amusing....most fashion and highly popular music comes from they gay community or with the gay stamp of approval :D . Hell look at a large majority of designers they are almost all gay. And musically at least in the pop scene the gays can make or break or song. Look at some of the major popular pop artists. Madonna, Cher, J-Lo, The Pussycat Dolls etc. while they may or may not be good artists or singers is besides the point, they have huge gay followings.

[Ion Kenshin]

That has to be about the worst, most counterproductive idea I've ever heard of. Respond to bigotry with bigotry in kind? What's next? Gays harassing blacks, calling them their equivalent of the slurs we're so used to being on the receiving end of, as has already happened a couple times in these protests? Yea, that will help get people to accept us. :whatever:

You don't know which blacks and latinos voted yes on Proposition 8 and which voted no. For that matter, you don't know which blacks and latinos are gay and which ones are straight.

All I can say is, I'm glad I'm not a black gay man, because it sounds like I'd be getting it from both sides. A majority of your own culture is down on you, and some fellow gays who should all be united together against this assume you're one of the homophobes because you're black.



This is a good idea.
That would be me right here
...which is ironic considering that the bling and fashion of the rap community often comes from the homosexual community.
which i always find amusing....most fashion and highly popular music comes from they gay community or with the gay stamp of approval :D . Hell look at a large majority of designers they are almost all gay. And musically at least in the pop scene the gays can make or break or song. Look at some of the major popular pop artists. Madonna, Cher, J-Lo, The Pussycat Dolls etc. while they may or may not be good artists or singers is besides the point, they have huge gay followings.

[UltimateJustin]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

[UltimateJustin]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

[UltimateJustin]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

[Bathead]

Careful Justin, that is a generalisation that can be percieved as racist.

[Bathead]

Careful Justin, that is a generalisation that can be percieved as racist.

[Bathead]

Careful Justin, that is a generalisation that can be percieved as racist.

[Anita18]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs.
There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

[Anita18]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs.
There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

[Anita18]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs.
There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

[BlackLantern]

There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"

[BlackLantern]

There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"

[BlackLantern]

There are some ways of following your religion while still banging like morons. One of my former housemates is Hispanic and he was telling how many of his friends in HS were already married with kids....at 21. :oldrazz:

I don't think it's necessarily a religious thing, but a cultural thing. You see how many of your classmates get married early then pop out kids, then you accept it as normal.

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"

[Anita18]

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"
That's cause you're a maverick like my old housemate. :cwink:

[Anita18]

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"
That's cause you're a maverick like my old housemate. :cwink:

[Anita18]

I never did...and im 1/2 black 1/2 hispanic....I know at least 3 or 4 girls from HS who were pregnant less than a year after graduation....and I was like "WTF??"
That's cause you're a maverick like my old housemate. :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

[BlackLantern]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

[BlackLantern]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

[The Senator]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

Have you met my friend Kettle?

[The Senator]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

Have you met my friend Kettle?

[The Senator]

Many latinos are catholic and the chruch says don't use birth control, so they don't, and they spill babies down the halls when you walk in areas with a high population of hispanics. But they bang like morons too, out of wedlock, so they really don't care about their religion or following its beliefs. So I don't know why they would care about gay rights other than it's not the image of manliness they agree with. Some people are so prejudice!

Have you met my friend Kettle?

[CaptainClown]

Have you met my friend Kettle?
I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.

[CaptainClown]

Have you met my friend Kettle?
I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.

[CaptainClown]

Have you met my friend Kettle?
I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.

[UltimateJustin]

I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.
Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

[UltimateJustin]

I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.
Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

[UltimateJustin]

I like how his whole post was so hypocritical that it could almost collapse upon itself.
Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

[CaptainClown]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.
us hateros have rights too.

[CaptainClown]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.
us hateros have rights too.

[CaptainClown]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.
us hateros have rights too.

[The Senator]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

Soon enough he'll be spilling babies all over the hallways and banging like a moron, so just be patient. :dry:

[The Senator]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

Soon enough he'll be spilling babies all over the hallways and banging like a moron, so just be patient. :dry:

[The Senator]

Hey, stop being a haterosexual to me.

Soon enough he'll be spilling babies all over the hallways and banging like a moron, so just be patient. :dry:

[The Battousai]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

:applaud

[The Battousai]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

:applaud

[The Battousai]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

:applaud

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, maybe not protest minority communities per se, but mobilize members of those communities to organize rallies on their own.

There's no way the current pro-Gay marriage movement is going to actually protest in African-American communities or in front of black churches, because that's a public-relations nightmare. Particularly when the vast majority of the protesters are not black.

correct, it really is a sticky situation, and i honestly don't have the answer for it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, maybe not protest minority communities per se, but mobilize members of those communities to organize rallies on their own.

There's no way the current pro-Gay marriage movement is going to actually protest in African-American communities or in front of black churches, because that's a public-relations nightmare. Particularly when the vast majority of the protesters are not black.

correct, it really is a sticky situation, and i honestly don't have the answer for it.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, maybe not protest minority communities per se, but mobilize members of those communities to organize rallies on their own.

There's no way the current pro-Gay marriage movement is going to actually protest in African-American communities or in front of black churches, because that's a public-relations nightmare. Particularly when the vast majority of the protesters are not black.

correct, it really is a sticky situation, and i honestly don't have the answer for it.

[spideyboy_1111]

From what I've been led to understand, both the black and Latino communities have a long-standing problem with homosexuality. It's what has led to the "being on the down-low" problem that is causing a lot of problems for the black community. The latinos have long been concerned with the concept of Machismo, with a rather narrow concept of what it means to be a man. Both of these attitudes can be again traced back to the church, which has a heavy influence on both groups.

see the thing i notice is that there is one huge load (no pun intended) of latino gay men... so i've never truly understood that side of the situation. It almost seems like 1 out of 3 latinos are gay... (no joke), least here anyway. But the black community is much more on the DL and they have a hard time with anyone in there group not acting "black enough" let alone viewing there stance on homosexuality.

[spideyboy_1111]

From what I've been led to understand, both the black and Latino communities have a long-standing problem with homosexuality. It's what has led to the "being on the down-low" problem that is causing a lot of problems for the black community. The latinos have long been concerned with the concept of Machismo, with a rather narrow concept of what it means to be a man. Both of these attitudes can be again traced back to the church, which has a heavy influence on both groups.

see the thing i notice is that there is one huge load (no pun intended) of latino gay men... so i've never truly understood that side of the situation. It almost seems like 1 out of 3 latinos are gay... (no joke), least here anyway. But the black community is much more on the DL and they have a hard time with anyone in there group not acting "black enough" let alone viewing there stance on homosexuality.

[spideyboy_1111]

From what I've been led to understand, both the black and Latino communities have a long-standing problem with homosexuality. It's what has led to the "being on the down-low" problem that is causing a lot of problems for the black community. The latinos have long been concerned with the concept of Machismo, with a rather narrow concept of what it means to be a man. Both of these attitudes can be again traced back to the church, which has a heavy influence on both groups.

see the thing i notice is that there is one huge load (no pun intended) of latino gay men... so i've never truly understood that side of the situation. It almost seems like 1 out of 3 latinos are gay... (no joke), least here anyway. But the black community is much more on the DL and they have a hard time with anyone in there group not acting "black enough" let alone viewing there stance on homosexuality.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

yeah i read that last night..


The important thing to me right now, is that this movement has alot of momentum... and i don't want it to stop at just california. Saturday we have a nation wide rally. And i truly believe that the rest of the nation needs equal rights. I really hope californians don't stop and keep fighting for everyone else if prop 8 becomes null in void.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

yeah i read that last night..


The important thing to me right now, is that this movement has alot of momentum... and i don't want it to stop at just california. Saturday we have a nation wide rally. And i truly believe that the rest of the nation needs equal rights. I really hope californians don't stop and keep fighting for everyone else if prop 8 becomes null in void.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/09/Calif_gov_We_will_maybe_undo_Prop_8/UPI-22871226279859/

I found this....

yeah i read that last night..


The important thing to me right now, is that this movement has alot of momentum... and i don't want it to stop at just california. Saturday we have a nation wide rally. And i truly believe that the rest of the nation needs equal rights. I really hope californians don't stop and keep fighting for everyone else if prop 8 becomes null in void.

[CaptainClown]

hey spideyboy are you gay? I only ask because I am wondering if that's your reason for being so passionate about this. If not then I admire your dedication.

[CaptainClown]

hey spideyboy are you gay? I only ask because I am wondering if that's your reason for being so passionate about this. If not then I admire your dedication.

[CaptainClown]

hey spideyboy are you gay? I only ask because I am wondering if that's your reason for being so passionate about this. If not then I admire your dedication.

[danoyse]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

[danoyse]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

[danoyse]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

[Gilpesh]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

How he can still go through that comment without crying is mind-boggling.

[Gilpesh]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

How he can still go through that comment without crying is mind-boggling.

[Gilpesh]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

How he can still go through that comment without crying is mind-boggling.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

[Addendum]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

[Addendum]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

[Addendum]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

[Addendum]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that

[Addendum]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that

[Addendum]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that

[Gilpesh]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

:whatever:

Seriously?


You should have stopped after sentence number one.

[Gilpesh]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

:whatever:

Seriously?


You should have stopped after sentence number one.

[Gilpesh]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

:whatever:

Seriously?


You should have stopped after sentence number one.

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

? you know we can still do that right? :huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

? you know we can still do that right? :huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

? you know we can still do that right? :huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

really? i hope this is online, id like to see it

[spideyboy_1111]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

really? i hope this is online, id like to see it

[spideyboy_1111]

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying

really? i hope this is online, id like to see it

[Gilpesh]

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[Gilpesh]

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[Gilpesh]

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[Motown Marvel]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

so couples who are incapable of having kids, their marriages are pointless? or once a couple has had their kids, raised them, and kicked them out, their marriages are then pointless too?

[Motown Marvel]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

so couples who are incapable of having kids, their marriages are pointless? or once a couple has had their kids, raised them, and kicked them out, their marriages are then pointless too?

[Motown Marvel]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

so couples who are incapable of having kids, their marriages are pointless? or once a couple has had their kids, raised them, and kicked them out, their marriages are then pointless too?

[cerealkiller182]

The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

So women who are barren and men who shoot blanks shouldnt get married?

[cerealkiller182]

The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

So women who are barren and men who shoot blanks shouldnt get married?

[cerealkiller182]

The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

So women who are barren and men who shoot blanks shouldnt get married?

[Schlosser85]

Wow....Olbermann's Special Comment on Proposition 8 was awesome.

[Schlosser85]

Wow....Olbermann's Special Comment on Proposition 8 was awesome.

[Schlosser85]

Wow....Olbermann's Special Comment on Proposition 8 was awesome.

[Bathead]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

[Bathead]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

[Bathead]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

[BlackLantern]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....

[BlackLantern]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....

[BlackLantern]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....

[spideyboy_1111]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

me either, he gave a great speech about it. People just need to stop being so clouded and open there mind and realize that what there doing is exactly like the hate during the civil rights movement in the 60's oppression is never the answer.

[spideyboy_1111]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

me either, he gave a great speech about it. People just need to stop being so clouded and open there mind and realize that what there doing is exactly like the hate during the civil rights movement in the 60's oppression is never the answer.

[spideyboy_1111]

I found his comments to be in sync with my feelings exactly, but he was much more eloquent about it than I could ever be. Quite frankly, I don't understand all the hate I see directed at this guy.

me either, he gave a great speech about it. People just need to stop being so clouded and open there mind and realize that what there doing is exactly like the hate during the civil rights movement in the 60's oppression is never the answer.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Listen all of you, if gays want to marry, let them. There's always going to be that fundamental difference between a man and a woman so I obviously don't see it as equal for obvious reasons. And I was clearly taken too literally with my post.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Listen all of you, if gays want to marry, let them. There's always going to be that fundamental difference between a man and a woman so I obviously don't see it as equal for obvious reasons. And I was clearly taken too literally with my post.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Listen all of you, if gays want to marry, let them. There's always going to be that fundamental difference between a man and a woman so I obviously don't see it as equal for obvious reasons. And I was clearly taken too literally with my post.

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....
definitly. He is the polar opposite to O'Reilly. Except Olbermann seems nicer.

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....
definitly. He is the polar opposite to O'Reilly. Except Olbermann seems nicer.

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is a liberal bully, no better than O'Reilly...I saw his comments tonight and it was a master stroke on Olbermanns part.....
definitly. He is the polar opposite to O'Reilly. Except Olbermann seems nicer.

[ShadowBoxing]

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.

[ShadowBoxing]

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.

[ShadowBoxing]

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.

[bunk]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

[bunk]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

[bunk]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

[spideyboy_1111]

cVUecPhQPqY

wow, that was actually pretty good and beautifully done.

[spideyboy_1111]

cVUecPhQPqY

wow, that was actually pretty good and beautifully done.

[spideyboy_1111]

cVUecPhQPqY

wow, that was actually pretty good and beautifully done.

[Gilpesh]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

[Gilpesh]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

[Gilpesh]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

[Addendum]

I like jackasses with facts

[Addendum]

I like jackasses with facts

[Addendum]

I like jackasses with facts

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.
That is why I like him. He makes fun of himself and his show even.

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.
That is why I like him. He makes fun of himself and his show even.

[CaptainClown]

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.
That is why I like him. He makes fun of himself and his show even.

[cerealkiller182]

cVUecPhQPqY

I love that he tore down the "redefining marriage" excuse.

[cerealkiller182]

cVUecPhQPqY

I love that he tore down the "redefining marriage" excuse.

[cerealkiller182]

cVUecPhQPqY

I love that he tore down the "redefining marriage" excuse.

[CaptainClown]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

[CaptainClown]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

[CaptainClown]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

[redfirebird2008]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?

[redfirebird2008]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?

[redfirebird2008]

I think the only problem with Keith's message is that most people who watch his show probably voted against 8. He is preaching to the chorus.

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?

[CaptainClown]

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?
I actually don't think they watch Olbermann. The whole demographic I see for Olberman are young people in college. The more liberal it is, the more I feel it leans towards college demographics and not a race.

[CaptainClown]

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?
I actually don't think they watch Olbermann. The whole demographic I see for Olberman are young people in college. The more liberal it is, the more I feel it leans towards college demographics and not a race.

[CaptainClown]

Not necessarily. 70% of black voters voted against it. 95% of black voters went for Obama. Now, during this election cycle where the rest of the mainstream media has attacked him as a Muslim terrorist, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. (including CNN...screw you Lou Dobbs), you don't think it's likely that many of his black supporters would watch Olbermann?
I actually don't think they watch Olbermann. The whole demographic I see for Olberman are young people in college. The more liberal it is, the more I feel it leans towards college demographics and not a race.

[Anita18]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying
It was beautiful, I got close to :waa: too.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that
Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis, along with Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. And of course, let's not forget Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.
Olbermann is pretentious and arrogant, but at least he comes off nicer and more jokingly than Bill O'Reilly, who seems genuinely ready to blow a gasket every 5 minutes.

[Anita18]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying
It was beautiful, I got close to :waa: too.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that
Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis, along with Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. And of course, let's not forget Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.
Olbermann is pretentious and arrogant, but at least he comes off nicer and more jokingly than Bill O'Reilly, who seems genuinely ready to blow a gasket every 5 minutes.

[Anita18]

Wow, Olbermann is doing a great commentary on this right now. :up:

At first I thought he just had a runny nose, since this is the cold season.

Then I realized, damn he's crying
It was beautiful, I got close to :waa: too.

But you don't have to be married to have kids and raise them. Gene Simmons is an example of that
Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis, along with Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. And of course, let's not forget Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.

I find Olbermann to be pretentious and arrogant most of the time. I also find most of his 'moral indignity' to be phoned in, even if he does have a point.
Olbermann is pretentious and arrogant, but at least he comes off nicer and more jokingly than Bill O'Reilly, who seems genuinely ready to blow a gasket every 5 minutes.

[amazingfantasy15]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

My dad got remarried after my mom passed away a few years ago. My dad and now step-mom were both in their fifties, got married with absolutely no intention of having kids together, does this mean their marriage is pointless? I mean they're defeating the very purpose of marriage, except for the loving each other for the rest of the lives, in richer and poorer, sickness and heath, good time and bad times, etc, etc....

[amazingfantasy15]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

My dad got remarried after my mom passed away a few years ago. My dad and now step-mom were both in their fifties, got married with absolutely no intention of having kids together, does this mean their marriage is pointless? I mean they're defeating the very purpose of marriage, except for the loving each other for the rest of the lives, in richer and poorer, sickness and heath, good time and bad times, etc, etc....

[amazingfantasy15]

I believe in marriage between a man and a woman but I'm not going to tell gay people not to get married. The only thing I don't really get is that gay marriage sort of defeats the very purpose of marriage which is: have kids, raise them, kick them out, depend on them later in life.

My dad got remarried after my mom passed away a few years ago. My dad and now step-mom were both in their fifties, got married with absolutely no intention of having kids together, does this mean their marriage is pointless? I mean they're defeating the very purpose of marriage, except for the loving each other for the rest of the lives, in richer and poorer, sickness and heath, good time and bad times, etc, etc....

[Charlie No-One]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

[Charlie No-One]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

[Charlie No-One]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

[Franklin Richards]

Actually it goes against the idea of having kids. One woman and one man is not the best way to propagate the species.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Franklin Richards]

Actually it goes against the idea of having kids. One woman and one man is not the best way to propagate the species.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Franklin Richards]

Actually it goes against the idea of having kids. One woman and one man is not the best way to propagate the species.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[amazingfantasy15]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

Because it helps homophobes arguments against gay marriage.

[amazingfantasy15]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

Because it helps homophobes arguments against gay marriage.

[amazingfantasy15]

I fail to see how having kids is the purpose of marriage. You can do that outside of marriage too.

Because it helps homophobes arguments against gay marriage.

[BlackLantern]

Out of the 6 women I know that have gotten pregnant in the past 2 years, 2 were married

[BlackLantern]

Out of the 6 women I know that have gotten pregnant in the past 2 years, 2 were married

[BlackLantern]

Out of the 6 women I know that have gotten pregnant in the past 2 years, 2 were married

[Hotwire]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?

[Hotwire]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?

[Hotwire]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?

[CaptainClown]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.

[CaptainClown]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.

[CaptainClown]

I have seen a few arguements against gay marriage. However, none of these had their basis outside that person's own religion or beliefs. Can anyone make a sound arguement against gay marriage, while not only explaining why it's a bad idea, but also keeping your own religion and beliefs out of the argument?For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.

[Hotwire]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.

[Hotwire]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.

[Hotwire]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.

[Schlosser85]

^ I thought that was hysterical.

[Schlosser85]

^ I thought that was hysterical.

[Schlosser85]

^ I thought that was hysterical.

[Hotwire]

For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.
With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.

[Hotwire]

For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.
With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.

[Hotwire]

For a company it would be much more expensive for companies with benefits to cover these new found spouses. By allowing gay marriage companies will have an increase in people to cover.

That is the only one I could think of.
With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.

[Paradoxium]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
I'm down with that.

[Paradoxium]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
I'm down with that.

[Paradoxium]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
I'm down with that.

[CaptainClown]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.
amazing hahah

[CaptainClown]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.
amazing hahah

[CaptainClown]

Noticed a few Olberman fans here. Thought you'd enjoy this.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
Love him or hate him, This is the funniest thing I've ever seen Ben Affleck do.
amazing hahah

[CaptainClown]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
more or less

[CaptainClown]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
more or less

[CaptainClown]

With that logic, we should outlaw marriage all together, to keep them from having to pay out these benefits. By allowing marriage they are increasing their benefits cost, regardless of the genders of the employee.
more or less

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno.

Olbermann seems slightly more slapstick than most. His humor is pretty clear, and he clearly enjoys going at it that way too. I don't really see the arrogance as others do.

He makes excellent points though, either way. His special comment on Prop 8 was fantastic and emotional. Good stuff.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno.

Olbermann seems slightly more slapstick than most. His humor is pretty clear, and he clearly enjoys going at it that way too. I don't really see the arrogance as others do.

He makes excellent points though, either way. His special comment on Prop 8 was fantastic and emotional. Good stuff.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno.

Olbermann seems slightly more slapstick than most. His humor is pretty clear, and he clearly enjoys going at it that way too. I don't really see the arrogance as others do.

He makes excellent points though, either way. His special comment on Prop 8 was fantastic and emotional. Good stuff.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

Yes they do.

It makes them less jackeassy.

Whereas making things up and still being a jackass...makes that person MORE jackassy.

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

He is. He's funnier too.

His jabs at O'Reily are usually funny pokes at the guy who pretends to act like Olbermann doesn't even exist.

I've never seen Olbermann shout people down, or cut people's mics off...so he get good karma points for that.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

Yes they do.

It makes them less jackeassy.

Whereas making things up and still being a jackass...makes that person MORE jackassy.

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

He is. He's funnier too.

His jabs at O'Reily are usually funny pokes at the guy who pretends to act like Olbermann doesn't even exist.

I've never seen Olbermann shout people down, or cut people's mics off...so he get good karma points for that.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But sometimes... facts don't change jackassness in the delivery.

Yes they do.

It makes them less jackeassy.

Whereas making things up and still being a jackass...makes that person MORE jackassy.

Olbermann is waaaaay more self aware than O'Reilly is. He also tends to use facts to back up his opinions.

He is. He's funnier too.

His jabs at O'Reily are usually funny pokes at the guy who pretends to act like Olbermann doesn't even exist.

I've never seen Olbermann shout people down, or cut people's mics off...so he get good karma points for that.

[BlackLantern]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded

[BlackLantern]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded

[BlackLantern]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded

[Addendum]

O'Reilly cut off the mike of a retired colonel who disagreed with O'Reilly back when some British soldiers were being held by Iran.

He cut it off after she told him she has 25 years of service in the military, specifically in the JAG corps, and she asked him if he served or practiced law

[Addendum]

O'Reilly cut off the mike of a retired colonel who disagreed with O'Reilly back when some British soldiers were being held by Iran.

He cut it off after she told him she has 25 years of service in the military, specifically in the JAG corps, and she asked him if he served or practiced law

[Addendum]

O'Reilly cut off the mike of a retired colonel who disagreed with O'Reilly back when some British soldiers were being held by Iran.

He cut it off after she told him she has 25 years of service in the military, specifically in the JAG corps, and she asked him if he served or practiced law

[BlackLantern]

I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...

[BlackLantern]

I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...

[BlackLantern]

I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...

[Addendum]

yDpIAqfWR2g

I got the question wrong. She asked "I served for 29 years. How many did you serve?"

And it's only pompous or aggravating when one's argument doesn't hold muster

[Addendum]

yDpIAqfWR2g

I got the question wrong. She asked "I served for 29 years. How many did you serve?"

And it's only pompous or aggravating when one's argument doesn't hold muster

[Addendum]

yDpIAqfWR2g

I got the question wrong. She asked "I served for 29 years. How many did you serve?"

And it's only pompous or aggravating when one's argument doesn't hold muster

[BlackLantern]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door

[BlackLantern]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door

[BlackLantern]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door

[BlackLantern]

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[BlackLantern]

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[BlackLantern]

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[Doomed_hero]

o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp

[Doomed_hero]

o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp

[Doomed_hero]

o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded


Like Sarah Palin. If they'd had cut her mic during ANY of her interviews it would have done her wonders.

But...it's rude. And the videos I've seen of the people getting they're mics cut were uncalled for and unfair simply because they disagreed.

When you have to cut more than a few mics every now and again, the problem may not be with the guests...but with the host. Either he/she has no control of they're own show, either they're picking the wrong guests or not vetting them well enough, or the host is a dick. Could be either or all...I dunno.


I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...


The only Dbag was O'Reily.

I mean, notice the change in her title at the bottom end of the screen.

Calling people unamerican because they disagree with him is pretty common from the vids I've seen.

To say Olbermann is a mirror of O'Reily is pretty wrong. O'Reily does things in a whole different way I think. The way he hosts is completely different.

And I'm not being shot **** while watching Olbermann either. I'm not being sold books or other merchandise.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded


Like Sarah Palin. If they'd had cut her mic during ANY of her interviews it would have done her wonders.

But...it's rude. And the videos I've seen of the people getting they're mics cut were uncalled for and unfair simply because they disagreed.

When you have to cut more than a few mics every now and again, the problem may not be with the guests...but with the host. Either he/she has no control of they're own show, either they're picking the wrong guests or not vetting them well enough, or the host is a dick. Could be either or all...I dunno.


I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...


The only Dbag was O'Reily.

I mean, notice the change in her title at the bottom end of the screen.

Calling people unamerican because they disagree with him is pretty common from the vids I've seen.

To say Olbermann is a mirror of O'Reily is pretty wrong. O'Reily does things in a whole different way I think. The way he hosts is completely different.

And I'm not being shot **** while watching Olbermann either. I'm not being sold books or other merchandise.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There are some people on this planet who should have their mic cut....I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but a lot of these news shows are entirely too polite to people, even people that are visibly retarded


Like Sarah Palin. If they'd had cut her mic during ANY of her interviews it would have done her wonders.

But...it's rude. And the videos I've seen of the people getting they're mics cut were uncalled for and unfair simply because they disagreed.

When you have to cut more than a few mics every now and again, the problem may not be with the guests...but with the host. Either he/she has no control of they're own show, either they're picking the wrong guests or not vetting them well enough, or the host is a dick. Could be either or all...I dunno.


I don't watch O'Reilly at all....but I'm guessing they were both being DBags of the highest order...I served in the military and there is nothing more pompous or aggravating than a lifer...


The only Dbag was O'Reily.

I mean, notice the change in her title at the bottom end of the screen.

Calling people unamerican because they disagree with him is pretty common from the vids I've seen.

To say Olbermann is a mirror of O'Reily is pretty wrong. O'Reily does things in a whole different way I think. The way he hosts is completely different.

And I'm not being shot **** while watching Olbermann either. I'm not being sold books or other merchandise.

[Heretic]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.

[Heretic]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.

[Heretic]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door


I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.


o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp


No way.....

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door


I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.


o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp


No way.....

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Fair enough....I don't watch him at all......They should put him and Olbermann in a room together with a switchblade and lock the door


I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.


o'reily once tried to tell John McCain he didnt understand what it was like in a prison camp


No way.....

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.


Some changes need to be made with people kicking and screaming.

Otherwise, we'd still be stuck in the mud by people who thought blacks shouldn't get the right to vote or the women should be able to vote or work....changes like that had to be forced down more than a few peoples throats when they were done.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.


Some changes need to be made with people kicking and screaming.

Otherwise, we'd still be stuck in the mud by people who thought blacks shouldn't get the right to vote or the women should be able to vote or work....changes like that had to be forced down more than a few peoples throats when they were done.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

However, speaking as a Conservative...I see no difference between the love of two gay men and the love of a man and a woman. Its kind of silly for a state to vote to make gay marriage illegal, but i respect the decision of the people and feel it should be upholded. Liberals should work to change hearts and minds, not force their will upon the people through court action.


Some changes need to be made with people kicking and screaming.

Otherwise, we'd still be stuck in the mud by people who thought blacks shouldn't get the right to vote or the women should be able to vote or work....changes like that had to be forced down more than a few peoples throats when they were done.

[BlackLantern]

I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.

from someone who doesn't watch either show....why should O'Reilly even acknowledge Olbermann, from what I've heard Keith uses every opportunity to take a shot at Bill....so why should Bill respond in kind? He probably thinks Olbermann would feel validated or something....I kind of see it as WWE / TNA.....TNA constantly takes shots at WWE, and the WWE basically pretends they don't exist....

[BlackLantern]

I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.

from someone who doesn't watch either show....why should O'Reilly even acknowledge Olbermann, from what I've heard Keith uses every opportunity to take a shot at Bill....so why should Bill respond in kind? He probably thinks Olbermann would feel validated or something....I kind of see it as WWE / TNA.....TNA constantly takes shots at WWE, and the WWE basically pretends they don't exist....

[BlackLantern]

I'd pay money to see that.

I'm afraid it'd be a letdown though, with Olbermann doing all the stabbing while O'Reily's trying to pretend that he's not in the room with him.

from someone who doesn't watch either show....why should O'Reilly even acknowledge Olbermann, from what I've heard Keith uses every opportunity to take a shot at Bill....so why should Bill respond in kind? He probably thinks Olbermann would feel validated or something....I kind of see it as WWE / TNA.....TNA constantly takes shots at WWE, and the WWE basically pretends they don't exist....

[The Senator]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.

[The Senator]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.

[The Senator]

I support states rights, and believe that the people should be able to decide on these issues.

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.

[ShadowBoxing]

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.
It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

[ShadowBoxing]

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.
It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

[ShadowBoxing]

I do not believe that the majority should be able to vote on rights for minorities.
It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey....he just likes to pretend that Olbermann doesn't exist. He ignores Olbermann.

I find that funny. I really do.

I thought O'Reily accusing the ratings system of being on the take because his viewer ratings went down and lost out to Olbermann....was beyond petty. I mean, isn't that some wonderous arrogance?

That my ratings are down and so that must mean that corruption is the reason why?

Honestly?

I think that Olbermann started out hitting O'Reily hard because he saw the things most of us saw...things like cutting off an ex-military guest and then calling her unamerican and changing her title during the broadcast...stuff like that, that O'Reily does alot of...I honestly think that Olbermann just called him out on these things because no one else seems to.

Now? He just like to poke him for laughs really. Usually he just mentions O'Reily in funny stuff and not really seriousness.

I think the reason O'Reily doesn't respond is because he's got nothing to respond with.

Clearly both men are on opposite ends of arguements...even the Prop 8. I'm pretty sure O'Reily is totally against gay marriage.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey....he just likes to pretend that Olbermann doesn't exist. He ignores Olbermann.

I find that funny. I really do.

I thought O'Reily accusing the ratings system of being on the take because his viewer ratings went down and lost out to Olbermann....was beyond petty. I mean, isn't that some wonderous arrogance?

That my ratings are down and so that must mean that corruption is the reason why?

Honestly?

I think that Olbermann started out hitting O'Reily hard because he saw the things most of us saw...things like cutting off an ex-military guest and then calling her unamerican and changing her title during the broadcast...stuff like that, that O'Reily does alot of...I honestly think that Olbermann just called him out on these things because no one else seems to.

Now? He just like to poke him for laughs really. Usually he just mentions O'Reily in funny stuff and not really seriousness.

I think the reason O'Reily doesn't respond is because he's got nothing to respond with.

Clearly both men are on opposite ends of arguements...even the Prop 8. I'm pretty sure O'Reily is totally against gay marriage.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey....he just likes to pretend that Olbermann doesn't exist. He ignores Olbermann.

I find that funny. I really do.

I thought O'Reily accusing the ratings system of being on the take because his viewer ratings went down and lost out to Olbermann....was beyond petty. I mean, isn't that some wonderous arrogance?

That my ratings are down and so that must mean that corruption is the reason why?

Honestly?

I think that Olbermann started out hitting O'Reily hard because he saw the things most of us saw...things like cutting off an ex-military guest and then calling her unamerican and changing her title during the broadcast...stuff like that, that O'Reily does alot of...I honestly think that Olbermann just called him out on these things because no one else seems to.

Now? He just like to poke him for laughs really. Usually he just mentions O'Reily in funny stuff and not really seriousness.

I think the reason O'Reily doesn't respond is because he's got nothing to respond with.

Clearly both men are on opposite ends of arguements...even the Prop 8. I'm pretty sure O'Reily is totally against gay marriage.

[The Senator]

It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

Yeah, I mean, it only took 180 years or so... but hey, at least the majority eventually came around...

[The Senator]

It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

Yeah, I mean, it only took 180 years or so... but hey, at least the majority eventually came around...

[The Senator]

It worked well for those black people! Where my brothers at?...anyone...anyone? No....nevermind then:csad:

Yeah, I mean, it only took 180 years or so... but hey, at least the majority eventually came around...

[Heretic]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

[Heretic]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

[Heretic]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

[Charlie No-One]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

[Charlie No-One]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

[Charlie No-One]

Should the minority be allowed to make laws for the majority???

Youre wanting a single judge to be able to over rule the will of millions of people.

Sure, weve had some hiccups. The mere fact that blacks were EVER considered less than equal is wrong...but still...I feel uncomfortable with a judge altering the decision of the people. Hopefully other states will legalize gay marriage and eventually all states will come around. It really is kind of ridiculous for gays to not have the same marriage rights as straight people.

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

[Heretic]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

So basically, for every voting issue on earth, we should consult YOU to see what is right and what is wrong??? These are opinions...and you and I both agree that gay marriage should be legal. However, others are entitled to their opinions...and the country apparently is not ready to accept gay marriage.

You state that you believe that the minority should be able to make laws that affect the majority. What specific areas would that be? can you pleas tell me what laws you believe should be passed to restrict the rights of white people that everyone else readily shares?? After all, that is your stated opinion.

[Heretic]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

So basically, for every voting issue on earth, we should consult YOU to see what is right and what is wrong??? These are opinions...and you and I both agree that gay marriage should be legal. However, others are entitled to their opinions...and the country apparently is not ready to accept gay marriage.

You state that you believe that the minority should be able to make laws that affect the majority. What specific areas would that be? can you pleas tell me what laws you believe should be passed to restrict the rights of white people that everyone else readily shares?? After all, that is your stated opinion.

[Heretic]

I think yes, in some cases the minority SHOULD be allowed to decide for the majority...especially when the majority is wrong.

And this decison won't affect the majority. How will it affect the majority?

It'll affect the people who want to marry and can't.

So basically, for every voting issue on earth, we should consult YOU to see what is right and what is wrong??? These are opinions...and you and I both agree that gay marriage should be legal. However, others are entitled to their opinions...and the country apparently is not ready to accept gay marriage.

You state that you believe that the minority should be able to make laws that affect the majority. What specific areas would that be? can you pleas tell me what laws you believe should be passed to restrict the rights of white people that everyone else readily shares?? After all, that is your stated opinion.

[BlackLantern]

This is where we get into 'What does will of the people' really mean? Should we be allowed to vote on some things and not others?

[BlackLantern]

This is where we get into 'What does will of the people' really mean? Should we be allowed to vote on some things and not others?

[BlackLantern]

This is where we get into 'What does will of the people' really mean? Should we be allowed to vote on some things and not others?

[Heretic]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Most people dont have sex with children. The members of the National man/Boy Love Association are clearly a minority. Your belief...let me get this straight...is that people who do not rape children should not be allowed to vote on whether or not raping children is legalized???

I am not attempting to compare gays to child molesters...but you simply said "minorities" and minorities can mean many things. Therefore, you should let EVERYONE vote on ALL issues.

[Heretic]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Most people dont have sex with children. The members of the National man/Boy Love Association are clearly a minority. Your belief...let me get this straight...is that people who do not rape children should not be allowed to vote on whether or not raping children is legalized???

I am not attempting to compare gays to child molesters...but you simply said "minorities" and minorities can mean many things. Therefore, you should let EVERYONE vote on ALL issues.

[Heretic]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Most people dont have sex with children. The members of the National man/Boy Love Association are clearly a minority. Your belief...let me get this straight...is that people who do not rape children should not be allowed to vote on whether or not raping children is legalized???

I am not attempting to compare gays to child molesters...but you simply said "minorities" and minorities can mean many things. Therefore, you should let EVERYONE vote on ALL issues.

[cerealkiller182]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Before Prop 8, i thought the majority vote would help thinking that there seemed to be so much opposition only because they were more vocal. I truly thought the pro- outweighed anti- but obviously i was wrong.

[cerealkiller182]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Before Prop 8, i thought the majority vote would help thinking that there seemed to be so much opposition only because they were more vocal. I truly thought the pro- outweighed anti- but obviously i was wrong.

[cerealkiller182]

Yes, why should a majority vote on a minority issue?

Before Prop 8, i thought the majority vote would help thinking that there seemed to be so much opposition only because they were more vocal. I truly thought the pro- outweighed anti- but obviously i was wrong.

[Charlie No-One]

Most people dont have sex with children. The members of the National man/Boy Love Association are clearly a minority. Your belief...let me get this straight...is that people who do not rape children should not be allowed to vote on whether or not raping children is legalized???

I am not attempting to compare gays to child molesters...but you simply said "minorities" and minorities can mean many things. Therefore, you should let EVERYONE vote on ALL issues.

Yes but we are talking about something that isn't a crime here. Being homosexual is not a crime where pedophilia is.