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Venomfan
03-06-2008, 08:40 PM
That's not reasoning, though. That's an assertion based on the notion of, "purpose," as though that should have any affect on the way a person is allowed to live their life. The purpose of a vacuum cleaner is to clean, but if I want to masturbate with it, I should be legally allowed to.
Fail. :yay:
hey it was just a joke, i heard the song at work and rememberd this thread:yay:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847511/
OXNARD, Calif. - Larry King was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. And when the other boys made fun of him, he would boldly tease them right back by flirting with them.That may have been what got him killed.
On Feb. 12, another student, Brandon McInerney, 14, shot him twice in the head at the back of the computer lab at their junior high school, police say.
The slaying of the 15-year-old boy has alarmed gay rights activists and led to demands that middle schools do more to educate youngsters about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Police would not discuss McInerney's motive. But the day before the shooting, King told McInerney he liked him, eighth-grader Eduardo Segure told the Ventura County Star.
If King had flirted with the other boy, "that can be very threatening to someone's ego and their sense of identity," said Jaana Juvonen, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Hate-crime allegation
McInerney was jailed on $770,000 bail on an adult murder charge that could put him behind bars for life. Prosecutors also filed a hate-crime enhancement, which could bring three more years if McInerney is found to have acted on the basis of the victim's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation.
The shooting has galvanized Oxnard, a city of nearly 200,000 people about 60 miles northwest of Los Angeles. Several vigils for King have been held, including a march that drew about 1,000 people to this strawberry-growing section of Ventura County.
Like the killings of some other gay students — such as Matthew Shepard in Wyoming and Brandon Teena, the Nebraska transsexual whose story was the subject of the movie "Boys Don't Cry" — King's death has drawn national attention and outraged many gays.
Comic Ellen DeGeneres, who is a lesbian, said on her talk show Feb. 28: "Larry was not a second-class citizen. I'm not a second-class citizen. It is OK if you are gay."
'He wasn't afraid'
Students at E.O. Green Junior High said the other kids used to taunt King, call him names and throw wet paper towels at him in the boys' restroom, and he would bravely fire back by flirting with them and chasing them.
"He didn't like people insulting him," said his friend Miriam Lopez, 13. "Larry was brave enough to bring high heels and makeup to school and he wasn't afraid of anything."
Jerry Dannenberg, superintendent of the Hueneme School District, would not discuss details of what went on between King and McInerney but said students are encouraged to come forward if they have been threatened.
He also said that King was free to wear women's accessories with his uniform of white shirt and dark pants because the dress code prohibits only those items that could be a safety threat, such as steel-toed shoes.
"If girls are wearing jewelry, you can't stop boys from wearing it, too," he said. "Each gender has the right to wear what the other does." The school system said that it has tolerance programs in its middle schools, but that sexual orientation is often not dealt with until high school. Since the killing, school officials have been meeting with gay leaders about changing the program.
"With young people coming out at younger ages, our schools — especially our junior highs and middle schools — need to be proactive about teaching respect for diversity based on sexual orientation and gender identity," said Carolyn Laub, executive director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network. "The tragic death of Larry King is a wake-up call for our schools to better protect students from harassment at school."
Abuse and harassment
A 2005 survey by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network found that more than 64 percent of gay and lesbian students report verbal, sexual or physical harassment at school, and 29 percent said they missed at least a day of school in the previous month out of fear for their safety. The group is holding its annual "Day of Silence" in memory of King on April 25.
The families of both boys have refused to comment. An e-mail message left for McInerney's attorney was not immediately returned.
Both teens have been described as good kids.
King and his mother crocheted hundreds of scarves that were shipped to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. The avid singer planned to belt out the national anthem at his brother's opening-day baseball game this spring.
"He had an amazing voice and was always singing," said Averi Laskey, 13, a friend since elementary school. "He would stick up for you no matter what. Larry was the best kind of person you could meet."
McInerney was described as the typical eighth-grader, goofy and fun to be around. He trained to be a lifeguard and took martial arts. He also enrolled in the Young Marines, a group similar to the Army's Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps.
Rough upbringings
The two had at least one thing in common: rough upbringings.
King had been in foster care at a center for abused and neglected children since November, said Steve Elson, the facility's chief executive. Confidentiality laws prevented him from saying why.
McInerney's parents accused each other of domestic violence and filed dueling restraining orders, according to court records. Several months before McInerney was born, his father was accused of shooting his mother in the elbow. Kendra McInerney told a local paper she struggled with drug addiction for many years. The couple divorced in 2002.
Jay Smith, director of the Ventura County Rainbow Alliance, a gay rights organization, questioned whether teachers have enough training to deal with gay teens.
"Those of us being out remember being bullied and we don't want to see that happen to another kid," he said.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847511/
OXNARD, Calif. - Larry King was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. And when the other boys made fun of him, he would boldly tease them right back by flirting with them.That may have been what got him killed.
On Feb. 12, another student, Brandon McInerney, 14, shot him twice in the head at the back of the computer lab at their junior high school, police say.
The slaying of the 15-year-old boy has alarmed gay rights activists and led to demands that middle schools do more to educate youngsters about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Police would not discuss McInerney's motive. But the day before the shooting, King told McInerney he liked him, eighth-grader Eduardo Segure told the Ventura County Star.
If King had flirted with the other boy, "that can be very threatening to someone's ego and their sense of identity," said Jaana Juvonen, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Hate-crime allegation
McInerney was jailed on $770,000 bail on an adult murder charge that could put him behind bars for life. Prosecutors also filed a hate-crime enhancement, which could bring three more years if McInerney is found to have acted on the basis of the victim's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation.
The shooting has galvanized Oxnard, a city of nearly 200,000 people about 60 miles northwest of Los Angeles. Several vigils for King have been held, including a march that drew about 1,000 people to this strawberry-growing section of Ventura County.
Like the killings of some other gay students — such as Matthew Shepard in Wyoming and Brandon Teena, the Nebraska transsexual whose story was the subject of the movie "Boys Don't Cry" — King's death has drawn national attention and outraged many gays.
Comic Ellen DeGeneres, who is a lesbian, said on her talk show Feb. 28: "Larry was not a second-class citizen. I'm not a second-class citizen. It is OK if you are gay."
'He wasn't afraid'
Students at E.O. Green Junior High said the other kids used to taunt King, call him names and throw wet paper towels at him in the boys' restroom, and he would bravely fire back by flirting with them and chasing them.
"He didn't like people insulting him," said his friend Miriam Lopez, 13. "Larry was brave enough to bring high heels and makeup to school and he wasn't afraid of anything."
Jerry Dannenberg, superintendent of the Hueneme School District, would not discuss details of what went on between King and McInerney but said students are encouraged to come forward if they have been threatened.
He also said that King was free to wear women's accessories with his uniform of white shirt and dark pants because the dress code prohibits only those items that could be a safety threat, such as steel-toed shoes.
"If girls are wearing jewelry, you can't stop boys from wearing it, too," he said. "Each gender has the right to wear what the other does." The school system said that it has tolerance programs in its middle schools, but that sexual orientation is often not dealt with until high school. Since the killing, school officials have been meeting with gay leaders about changing the program.
"With young people coming out at younger ages, our schools — especially our junior highs and middle schools — need to be proactive about teaching respect for diversity based on sexual orientation and gender identity," said Carolyn Laub, executive director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network. "The tragic death of Larry King is a wake-up call for our schools to better protect students from harassment at school."
Abuse and harassment
A 2005 survey by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network found that more than 64 percent of gay and lesbian students report verbal, sexual or physical harassment at school, and 29 percent said they missed at least a day of school in the previous month out of fear for their safety. The group is holding its annual "Day of Silence" in memory of King on April 25.
The families of both boys have refused to comment. An e-mail message left for McInerney's attorney was not immediately returned.
Both teens have been described as good kids.
King and his mother crocheted hundreds of scarves that were shipped to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. The avid singer planned to belt out the national anthem at his brother's opening-day baseball game this spring.
"He had an amazing voice and was always singing," said Averi Laskey, 13, a friend since elementary school. "He would stick up for you no matter what. Larry was the best kind of person you could meet."
McInerney was described as the typical eighth-grader, goofy and fun to be around. He trained to be a lifeguard and took martial arts. He also enrolled in the Young Marines, a group similar to the Army's Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps.
Rough upbringings
The two had at least one thing in common: rough upbringings.
King had been in foster care at a center for abused and neglected children since November, said Steve Elson, the facility's chief executive. Confidentiality laws prevented him from saying why.
McInerney's parents accused each other of domestic violence and filed dueling restraining orders, according to court records. Several months before McInerney was born, his father was accused of shooting his mother in the elbow. Kendra McInerney told a local paper she struggled with drug addiction for many years. The couple divorced in 2002.
Jay Smith, director of the Ventura County Rainbow Alliance, a gay rights organization, questioned whether teachers have enough training to deal with gay teens.
"Those of us being out remember being bullied and we don't want to see that happen to another kid," he said.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847511/
OXNARD, Calif. - Larry King was a gay eighth-grader who used to come to school in makeup, high heels and earrings. And when the other boys made fun of him, he would boldly tease them right back by flirting with them.That may have been what got him killed.
On Feb. 12, another student, Brandon McInerney, 14, shot him twice in the head at the back of the computer lab at their junior high school, police say.
The slaying of the 15-year-old boy has alarmed gay rights activists and led to demands that middle schools do more to educate youngsters about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Police would not discuss McInerney's motive. But the day before the shooting, King told McInerney he liked him, eighth-grader Eduardo Segure told the Ventura County Star.
If King had flirted with the other boy, "that can be very threatening to someone's ego and their sense of identity," said Jaana Juvonen, a psychology professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Hate-crime allegation
McInerney was jailed on $770,000 bail on an adult murder charge that could put him behind bars for life. Prosecutors also filed a hate-crime enhancement, which could bring three more years if McInerney is found to have acted on the basis of the victim's race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation.
The shooting has galvanized Oxnard, a city of nearly 200,000 people about 60 miles northwest of Los Angeles. Several vigils for King have been held, including a march that drew about 1,000 people to this strawberry-growing section of Ventura County.
Like the killings of some other gay students — such as Matthew Shepard in Wyoming and Brandon Teena, the Nebraska transsexual whose story was the subject of the movie "Boys Don't Cry" — King's death has drawn national attention and outraged many gays.
Comic Ellen DeGeneres, who is a lesbian, said on her talk show Feb. 28: "Larry was not a second-class citizen. I'm not a second-class citizen. It is OK if you are gay."
'He wasn't afraid'
Students at E.O. Green Junior High said the other kids used to taunt King, call him names and throw wet paper towels at him in the boys' restroom, and he would bravely fire back by flirting with them and chasing them.
"He didn't like people insulting him," said his friend Miriam Lopez, 13. "Larry was brave enough to bring high heels and makeup to school and he wasn't afraid of anything."
Jerry Dannenberg, superintendent of the Hueneme School District, would not discuss details of what went on between King and McInerney but said students are encouraged to come forward if they have been threatened.
He also said that King was free to wear women's accessories with his uniform of white shirt and dark pants because the dress code prohibits only those items that could be a safety threat, such as steel-toed shoes.
"If girls are wearing jewelry, you can't stop boys from wearing it, too," he said. "Each gender has the right to wear what the other does." The school system said that it has tolerance programs in its middle schools, but that sexual orientation is often not dealt with until high school. Since the killing, school officials have been meeting with gay leaders about changing the program.
"With young people coming out at younger ages, our schools — especially our junior highs and middle schools — need to be proactive about teaching respect for diversity based on sexual orientation and gender identity," said Carolyn Laub, executive director of the Gay-Straight Alliance Network. "The tragic death of Larry King is a wake-up call for our schools to better protect students from harassment at school."
Abuse and harassment
A 2005 survey by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network found that more than 64 percent of gay and lesbian students report verbal, sexual or physical harassment at school, and 29 percent said they missed at least a day of school in the previous month out of fear for their safety. The group is holding its annual "Day of Silence" in memory of King on April 25.
The families of both boys have refused to comment. An e-mail message left for McInerney's attorney was not immediately returned.
Both teens have been described as good kids.
King and his mother crocheted hundreds of scarves that were shipped to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. The avid singer planned to belt out the national anthem at his brother's opening-day baseball game this spring.
"He had an amazing voice and was always singing," said Averi Laskey, 13, a friend since elementary school. "He would stick up for you no matter what. Larry was the best kind of person you could meet."
McInerney was described as the typical eighth-grader, goofy and fun to be around. He trained to be a lifeguard and took martial arts. He also enrolled in the Young Marines, a group similar to the Army's Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps.
Rough upbringings
The two had at least one thing in common: rough upbringings.
King had been in foster care at a center for abused and neglected children since November, said Steve Elson, the facility's chief executive. Confidentiality laws prevented him from saying why.
McInerney's parents accused each other of domestic violence and filed dueling restraining orders, according to court records. Several months before McInerney was born, his father was accused of shooting his mother in the elbow. Kendra McInerney told a local paper she struggled with drug addiction for many years. The couple divorced in 2002.
Jay Smith, director of the Ventura County Rainbow Alliance, a gay rights organization, questioned whether teachers have enough training to deal with gay teens.
"Those of us being out remember being bullied and we don't want to see that happen to another kid," he said.
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Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:28 PM
Sad.
Larry King?
My thoughts exactly.
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:28 PM
Sad.
Larry King?
My thoughts exactly.
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:28 PM
Sad.
Larry King?
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
:csad::pal::csad::meanie:
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
:csad::pal::csad::meanie:
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
:csad::pal::csad::meanie:
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 10:40 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
i agree, I'm begining to think that there should be a proper dress code regardless of orientation.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 10:40 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
i agree, I'm begining to think that there should be a proper dress code regardless of orientation.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 10:40 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
i agree, I'm begining to think that there should be a proper dress code regardless of orientation.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 10:51 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 10:51 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 10:51 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
Untilteld
03-29-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm 15, but straight, does that mean I get shanked?
Untilteld
03-29-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm 15, but straight, does that mean I get shanked?
Untilteld
03-29-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm 15, but straight, does that mean I get shanked?
Even if you get shanked your puffy shirt will protect you.
Even if you get shanked your puffy shirt will protect you.
Even if you get shanked your puffy shirt will protect you.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
This is a touchy subject. The problem is that the world doesn't think like that. Dressing with the hair over the face, possibly some eye-liner, and tight pants is a current fad. Wearing high heels, make-up, and earrings isn't, so it is viewed as weird and abnormal. You dress like an emo, and there is another person doing the same thing five feet away from you in high school. You dress how this guy dressed, and you are probably alone.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
This is a touchy subject. The problem is that the world doesn't think like that. Dressing with the hair over the face, possibly some eye-liner, and tight pants is a current fad. Wearing high heels, make-up, and earrings isn't, so it is viewed as weird and abnormal. You dress like an emo, and there is another person doing the same thing five feet away from you in high school. You dress how this guy dressed, and you are probably alone.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
This is a touchy subject. The problem is that the world doesn't think like that. Dressing with the hair over the face, possibly some eye-liner, and tight pants is a current fad. Wearing high heels, make-up, and earrings isn't, so it is viewed as weird and abnormal. You dress like an emo, and there is another person doing the same thing five feet away from you in high school. You dress how this guy dressed, and you are probably alone.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 11:05 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
expressing yourself goes to far. in this situation, its fine if you're gay, but you're an eigth grader, dressing like a chick.....thats just freakin retarded man, and if i was the principle at the school i would've sent his ass back home and change into appropriate clothing.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 11:05 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
expressing yourself goes to far. in this situation, its fine if you're gay, but you're an eigth grader, dressing like a chick.....thats just freakin retarded man, and if i was the principle at the school i would've sent his ass back home and change into appropriate clothing.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 11:05 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
expressing yourself goes to far. in this situation, its fine if you're gay, but you're an eigth grader, dressing like a chick.....thats just freakin retarded man, and if i was the principle at the school i would've sent his ass back home and change into appropriate clothing.
they didn't say he was wearing dresses or anything..
Just heels, make-up and ear-rings.. The only thing thats "weird" is the heels.
they didn't say he was wearing dresses or anything..
Just heels, make-up and ear-rings.. The only thing thats "weird" is the heels.
they didn't say he was wearing dresses or anything..
Just heels, make-up and ear-rings.. The only thing thats "weird" is the heels.
thedeadite
03-29-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
thedeadite
03-29-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
thedeadite
03-29-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Showtime
03-29-2008, 11:10 PM
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...
Showtime
03-29-2008, 11:10 PM
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...
Showtime
03-29-2008, 11:10 PM
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...
15 Year Old: Shot in school for being gay.
That's gay.
15 Year Old: Shot in school for being gay.
That's gay.
15 Year Old: Shot in school for being gay.
That's gay.
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...The Shooter shot him because he flirted with him.. I guess the shooter had some serious macho issues.
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...The Shooter shot him because he flirted with him.. I guess the shooter had some serious macho issues.
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...The Shooter shot him because he flirted with him.. I guess the shooter had some serious macho issues.
But seriously, messed up. :(
But seriously, messed up. :(
But seriously, messed up. :(
spike spiegel
03-29-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Well said.
Who cares what his orientation was? Or what he was wearing and whether or not he should have been wearing that? His life is over. He doesn't get to experience the rest of it, because someone behind a gun decided to end it.
spike spiegel
03-29-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Well said.
Who cares what his orientation was? Or what he was wearing and whether or not he should have been wearing that? His life is over. He doesn't get to experience the rest of it, because someone behind a gun decided to end it.
spike spiegel
03-29-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Well said.
Who cares what his orientation was? Or what he was wearing and whether or not he should have been wearing that? His life is over. He doesn't get to experience the rest of it, because someone behind a gun decided to end it.
odiin
03-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
odiin
03-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
odiin
03-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
Ray-Fu
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Ray-Fu
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Ray-Fu
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
zanos
03-29-2008, 11:54 PM
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
zanos
03-29-2008, 11:54 PM
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
zanos
03-29-2008, 11:54 PM
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
the shooter.
he's still alive.
he'll get dinner.
free cable.
Recreation activity.
as for the pounding of the ass, thats something that 15 yr old will never get to experience.
Zing!...sorry:(
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
the shooter.
he's still alive.
he'll get dinner.
free cable.
Recreation activity.
as for the pounding of the ass, thats something that 15 yr old will never get to experience.
Zing!...sorry:(
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
the shooter.
he's still alive.
he'll get dinner.
free cable.
Recreation activity.
as for the pounding of the ass, thats something that 15 yr old will never get to experience.
Zing!...sorry:(
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
I didn't think he was a "cross-dresser" he was basicly an emo in heals.
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
I didn't think he was a "cross-dresser" he was basicly an emo in heals.
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
I didn't think he was a "cross-dresser" he was basicly an emo in heals.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:22 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:22 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:22 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:27 AM
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:27 AM
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:27 AM
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:29 AM
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
I think you misinterpreted what MC said.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:29 AM
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
I think you misinterpreted what MC said.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:29 AM
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
I think you misinterpreted what MC said.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:30 AM
I'm hoping that's what it was.
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
Yeah, coz all gays dress up and pamper their faces with blush. :whatever:
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:30 AM
I'm hoping that's what it was.
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
Yeah, coz all gays dress up and pamper their faces with blush. :whatever:
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:30 AM
I'm hoping that's what it was.
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
Yeah, coz all gays dress up and pamper their faces with blush. :whatever:
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:40 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
Not really, Schools do have dress codes and most do enforce them. It may hinder this kid's right to express himself, but a guy wearing heels and make up more than likely is against the rules. Just like a girl's skirt being too short, or t-shirts with cursing, nudity, and guns on them, or overly spiked collars or bracelets.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:40 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
Not really, Schools do have dress codes and most do enforce them. It may hinder this kid's right to express himself, but a guy wearing heels and make up more than likely is against the rules. Just like a girl's skirt being too short, or t-shirts with cursing, nudity, and guns on them, or overly spiked collars or bracelets.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:40 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
Not really, Schools do have dress codes and most do enforce them. It may hinder this kid's right to express himself, but a guy wearing heels and make up more than likely is against the rules. Just like a girl's skirt being too short, or t-shirts with cursing, nudity, and guns on them, or overly spiked collars or bracelets.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:42 AM
Evidently it didn't, and that's all beside the point anyway.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:42 AM
Evidently it didn't, and that's all beside the point anyway.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:42 AM
Evidently it didn't, and that's all beside the point anyway.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
Nudists don't go to school nude.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
Nudists don't go to school nude.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
Nudists don't go to school nude.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Oh don't play these stupid games. Of course no school is going to let you go naked, but unless you're going somewhere that already has uniforms, or is a private school there's probably not going to be any rule saying that you can't wear any make-up as a man or else all the eye-liner wearing emo kids the country over would be in deep trouble.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Oh don't play these stupid games. Of course no school is going to let you go naked, but unless you're going somewhere that already has uniforms, or is a private school there's probably not going to be any rule saying that you can't wear any make-up as a man or else all the eye-liner wearing emo kids the country over would be in deep trouble.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Oh don't play these stupid games. Of course no school is going to let you go naked, but unless you're going somewhere that already has uniforms, or is a private school there's probably not going to be any rule saying that you can't wear any make-up as a man or else all the eye-liner wearing emo kids the country over would be in deep trouble.
If emo-kids and "******s" can dress the way they do, the kid should have been allowed and shouldn't have gotten **** for wearing a nice pair of Stilettos and some eye-liner..
Were talking as if the kind showed up in a mini-skirt and thigh-highs.. it was a pair of shoes and some make-up..
But its still ****ty that this happened.. No one deserves to die because because they're different.
If emo-kids and "******s" can dress the way they do, the kid should have been allowed and shouldn't have gotten **** for wearing a nice pair of Stilettos and some eye-liner..
Were talking as if the kind showed up in a mini-skirt and thigh-highs.. it was a pair of shoes and some make-up..
But its still ****ty that this happened.. No one deserves to die because because they're different.
If emo-kids and "******s" can dress the way they do, the kid should have been allowed and shouldn't have gotten **** for wearing a nice pair of Stilettos and some eye-liner..
Were talking as if the kind showed up in a mini-skirt and thigh-highs.. it was a pair of shoes and some make-up..
But its still ****ty that this happened.. No one deserves to die because because they're different.
Shoemeister
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I have to agree. But again, the kid didn't deserve death. Jeez.
Shoemeister
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I have to agree. But again, the kid didn't deserve death. Jeez.
Shoemeister
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I have to agree. But again, the kid didn't deserve death. Jeez.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
lol.
I'm guessing I'm so desensitized that I can see past the loss of a life here, but really, parading yourself around like that and s**t is just asking for it. That's exactly what I thought after reading how he dressed and acted. Did he have the right to act this way? Sure. Did he deserve to be killed for it? Hell no. I don't even think the way he dressed was the main reason behind his death.
I'm gonna backpedal here and just say it sucks. I was thinking exactly what the psychologist said when I read the first words of the article, considering their ages. I'm thinking he was genuinely infatuated with the shooter and whatnot, which makes it worse, but I'm just saying being out there about his sexuality wasn't helping as much as it was hurting. You can be proud of who you are without using it as a defense mechanism or showing it off blatantly through fashion.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
lol.
I'm guessing I'm so desensitized that I can see past the loss of a life here, but really, parading yourself around like that and s**t is just asking for it. That's exactly what I thought after reading how he dressed and acted. Did he have the right to act this way? Sure. Did he deserve to be killed for it? Hell no. I don't even think the way he dressed was the main reason behind his death.
I'm gonna backpedal here and just say it sucks. I was thinking exactly what the psychologist said when I read the first words of the article, considering their ages. I'm thinking he was genuinely infatuated with the shooter and whatnot, which makes it worse, but I'm just saying being out there about his sexuality wasn't helping as much as it was hurting. You can be proud of who you are without using it as a defense mechanism or showing it off blatantly through fashion.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
lol.
I'm guessing I'm so desensitized that I can see past the loss of a life here, but really, parading yourself around like that and s**t is just asking for it. That's exactly what I thought after reading how he dressed and acted. Did he have the right to act this way? Sure. Did he deserve to be killed for it? Hell no. I don't even think the way he dressed was the main reason behind his death.
I'm gonna backpedal here and just say it sucks. I was thinking exactly what the psychologist said when I read the first words of the article, considering their ages. I'm thinking he was genuinely infatuated with the shooter and whatnot, which makes it worse, but I'm just saying being out there about his sexuality wasn't helping as much as it was hurting. You can be proud of who you are without using it as a defense mechanism or showing it off blatantly through fashion.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:52 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:52 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:52 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:56 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
These are KIDS, they are not educated and are extremely ignorant and uninformed. He lashed out the way he did, even if only in retaliation because he knew it made the bullies uncomfortable.
Reports are never 100% accurate so I'm not sure whether or not he said what he said to the shooter was in kidding. Either way you seem to be thinking we're saying the shooter isn't guilty of something here, but that isn't the case.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:56 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
These are KIDS, they are not educated and are extremely ignorant and uninformed. He lashed out the way he did, even if only in retaliation because he knew it made the bullies uncomfortable.
Reports are never 100% accurate so I'm not sure whether or not he said what he said to the shooter was in kidding. Either way you seem to be thinking we're saying the shooter isn't guilty of something here, but that isn't the case.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:56 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
These are KIDS, they are not educated and are extremely ignorant and uninformed. He lashed out the way he did, even if only in retaliation because he knew it made the bullies uncomfortable.
Reports are never 100% accurate so I'm not sure whether or not he said what he said to the shooter was in kidding. Either way you seem to be thinking we're saying the shooter isn't guilty of something here, but that isn't the case.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
nope, doesn't
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
nope, doesn't
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
nope, doesn't
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:03 AM
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
I just think that if a guy hates you because your gay, you flirting with him as retaliation is probably the worst thing you can do. Yes it would piss him off but not in the same way you making fun of his mom would. He obviously is uncomfortable with the idea of someone being gay and hates people who are gay, so acting gay towards him would just make him feel the need to Man-it up and not be turned gay by your voodoo.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:03 AM
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
I just think that if a guy hates you because your gay, you flirting with him as retaliation is probably the worst thing you can do. Yes it would piss him off but not in the same way you making fun of his mom would. He obviously is uncomfortable with the idea of someone being gay and hates people who are gay, so acting gay towards him would just make him feel the need to Man-it up and not be turned gay by your voodoo.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:03 AM
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
I just think that if a guy hates you because your gay, you flirting with him as retaliation is probably the worst thing you can do. Yes it would piss him off but not in the same way you making fun of his mom would. He obviously is uncomfortable with the idea of someone being gay and hates people who are gay, so acting gay towards him would just make him feel the need to Man-it up and not be turned gay by your voodoo.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:05 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
You can't seem to grasp that kids are stupid and do crazy s**t when something makes them uncomfortable. :huh:
nope, doesn't
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
DuUUUuuH.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:05 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
You can't seem to grasp that kids are stupid and do crazy s**t when something makes them uncomfortable. :huh:
nope, doesn't
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
DuUUUuuH.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:05 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
You can't seem to grasp that kids are stupid and do crazy s**t when something makes them uncomfortable. :huh:
nope, doesn't
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
DuUUUuuH.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
I specifically said it was no reason for him to be killed.
And believe it or not, there are more ways to retaliated than fight or flirt.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
I specifically said it was no reason for him to be killed.
And believe it or not, there are more ways to retaliated than fight or flirt.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
I specifically said it was no reason for him to be killed.
And believe it or not, there are more ways to retaliated than fight or flirt.
The Mad Titan
03-30-2008, 01:09 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Nope, 4 years of Catholic School and I can tell you, dressing everybody alike is meaningless. People will find a reason to pick on somebody else no matter what. It's human nature.
The Mad Titan
03-30-2008, 01:09 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Nope, 4 years of Catholic School and I can tell you, dressing everybody alike is meaningless. People will find a reason to pick on somebody else no matter what. It's human nature.
The Mad Titan
03-30-2008, 01:09 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Nope, 4 years of Catholic School and I can tell you, dressing everybody alike is meaningless. People will find a reason to pick on somebody else no matter what. It's human nature.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.We are now in the age of the Thunderdome.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.We are now in the age of the Thunderdome.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.We are now in the age of the Thunderdome.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 01:15 AM
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 01:15 AM
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 01:15 AM
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
I meant more in terms of spotting an intruder and whatnot, but yeah, strict uniform policies are stupid.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
I meant more in terms of spotting an intruder and whatnot, but yeah, strict uniform policies are stupid.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
I meant more in terms of spotting an intruder and whatnot, but yeah, strict uniform policies are stupid.
odiin
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Seconded.
odiin
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Seconded.
odiin
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Seconded.
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 02:31 AM
What an emo story. :(
This is f**king retarded, should he ever even had been taken the mick?
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 02:31 AM
What an emo story. :(
This is f**king retarded, should he ever even had been taken the mick?
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 02:31 AM
What an emo story. :(
This is f**king retarded, should he ever even had been taken the mick?
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:04 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
He wasn't killed because of sexual orientation. The lack of gun control and his open gayness was what did him in. You dont go up to a straight 14 year old boy and profess your gay love for him joking or not.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:04 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
He wasn't killed because of sexual orientation. The lack of gun control and his open gayness was what did him in. You dont go up to a straight 14 year old boy and profess your gay love for him joking or not.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:04 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
He wasn't killed because of sexual orientation. The lack of gun control and his open gayness was what did him in. You dont go up to a straight 14 year old boy and profess your gay love for him joking or not.
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:25 AM
No one actually said that the killer made fun of him.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:25 AM
No one actually said that the killer made fun of him.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:25 AM
No one actually said that the killer made fun of him.
Regardless, the logical response isn’t to stow away a gun and put two bullets in your classmate’s cranium. That’s just sick, and there’s no excuse for it.
Regardless, the logical response isn’t to stow away a gun and put two bullets in your classmate’s cranium. That’s just sick, and there’s no excuse for it.
Regardless, the logical response isn’t to stow away a gun and put two bullets in your classmate’s cranium. That’s just sick, and there’s no excuse for it.
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 04:06 AM
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 04:06 AM
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 04:06 AM
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I agree, saying 'he wasn't doing himself any favours by dressing like that' is enraging. Who cares how he dressed? That doesn't give anyone any reason to make fun of him or kill him, for that matter.
Bigots are effed!
I agree, saying 'he wasn't doing himself any favours by dressing like that' is enraging. Who cares how he dressed? That doesn't give anyone any reason to make fun of him or kill him, for that matter.
Bigots are effed!
I agree, saying 'he wasn't doing himself any favours by dressing like that' is enraging. Who cares how he dressed? That doesn't give anyone any reason to make fun of him or kill him, for that matter.
Bigots are effed!
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 06:30 AM
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
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True. :(
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 06:30 AM
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
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True. :(
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 06:30 AM
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
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True. :(
jaymes_e06
03-30-2008, 08:30 AM
My question is why is the media trying to convey that it is in some way the childs fault?
"He deserved it because he flirted with them." type situation. That is horrible journalism.
jaymes_e06
03-30-2008, 08:30 AM
My question is why is the media trying to convey that it is in some way the childs fault?
"He deserved it because he flirted with them." type situation. That is horrible journalism.
jaymes_e06
03-30-2008, 08:30 AM
My question is why is the media trying to convey that it is in some way the childs fault?
"He deserved it because he flirted with them." type situation. That is horrible journalism.
CorpusBlack
03-30-2008, 08:50 AM
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
CorpusBlack
03-30-2008, 08:50 AM
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
CorpusBlack
03-30-2008, 08:50 AM
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
SapphirePrima
03-30-2008, 10:25 AM
This is the boy who they did the big PSA for right?
Anyway no one deserves this. Wasn't this the country founded for people to do what they believed and not to do what others demanded them to do? Sure he was gay, if the kids didn't like it they should have left him alone, or pretended he didn't exist. :down:
Another thing so if a boy can't wear high heels to school then a girl shouldn't be able to wear baggy clothes and a jersey, right?
SapphirePrima
03-30-2008, 10:25 AM
This is the boy who they did the big PSA for right?
Anyway no one deserves this. Wasn't this the country founded for people to do what they believed and not to do what others demanded them to do? Sure he was gay, if the kids didn't like it they should have left him alone, or pretended he didn't exist. :down:
Another thing so if a boy can't wear high heels to school then a girl shouldn't be able to wear baggy clothes and a jersey, right?
SapphirePrima
03-30-2008, 10:25 AM
This is the boy who they did the big PSA for right?
Anyway no one deserves this. Wasn't this the country founded for people to do what they believed and not to do what others demanded them to do? Sure he was gay, if the kids didn't like it they should have left him alone, or pretended he didn't exist. :down:
Another thing so if a boy can't wear high heels to school then a girl shouldn't be able to wear baggy clothes and a jersey, right?
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I cant believe how many people think he was asking for it or he brought it on himself! What the hell is wrong with you people?
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I cant believe how many people think he was asking for it or he brought it on himself! What the hell is wrong with you people?
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I cant believe how many people think he was asking for it or he brought it on himself! What the hell is wrong with you people?
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm not saying he deserved it, what the f**k. :huh: I'm saying considering their ages, their immaturity, acting the way he acted possibly made things worse. Again, look to what the psychologist said. If anything those feelings were only intensified by how he portrayed himself. And not even that, but throwing himself at other guys? Chasing them. Seriously.
In no way does this justify double tapping, but whatever, that's just what I think about this BS.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm not saying he deserved it, what the f**k. :huh: I'm saying considering their ages, their immaturity, acting the way he acted possibly made things worse. Again, look to what the psychologist said. If anything those feelings were only intensified by how he portrayed himself. And not even that, but throwing himself at other guys? Chasing them. Seriously.
In no way does this justify double tapping, but whatever, that's just what I think about this BS.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm not saying he deserved it, what the f**k. :huh: I'm saying considering their ages, their immaturity, acting the way he acted possibly made things worse. Again, look to what the psychologist said. If anything those feelings were only intensified by how he portrayed himself. And not even that, but throwing himself at other guys? Chasing them. Seriously.
In no way does this justify double tapping, but whatever, that's just what I think about this BS.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Theres nothing to consider. The kid died for no reason.
Everyone just dresses up their words to say that this kid had no business dressing the way he did when thats not the issue. It was the fact that he was shot. If he was reprimanded by a teacher than you can prolly bring up the psycho babble but not for murder
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Theres nothing to consider. The kid died for no reason.
Everyone just dresses up their words to say that this kid had no business dressing the way he did when thats not the issue. It was the fact that he was shot. If he was reprimanded by a teacher than you can prolly bring up the psycho babble but not for murder
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Theres nothing to consider. The kid died for no reason.
Everyone just dresses up their words to say that this kid had no business dressing the way he did when thats not the issue. It was the fact that he was shot. If he was reprimanded by a teacher than you can prolly bring up the psycho babble but not for murder
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 01:51 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Most here have never known the touch of a woman......or a man.....or want to touch a man but can't admit it to themselves...
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 01:51 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Most here have never known the touch of a woman......or a man.....or want to touch a man but can't admit it to themselves...
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 01:51 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Most here have never known the touch of a woman......or a man.....or want to touch a man but can't admit it to themselves...
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:02 PM
I remember when I first heard about Matt Shepherd...it was like "how can people be that ****ed up?"
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:02 PM
I remember when I first heard about Matt Shepherd...it was like "how can people be that ****ed up?"
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:02 PM
I remember when I first heard about Matt Shepherd...it was like "how can people be that ****ed up?"
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 02:03 PM
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd a several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 02:03 PM
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd a several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 02:03 PM
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd a several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Making jokes about something like this isn't right. I would hope that you would know that. There is such a message of hate and intolerance in this country...it's ridiculous. When kids that young have somehow gotten the message that it's ok to kill another kid because they're different, the message needs to be changed.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Making jokes about something like this isn't right. I would hope that you would know that. There is such a message of hate and intolerance in this country...it's ridiculous. When kids that young have somehow gotten the message that it's ok to kill another kid because they're different, the message needs to be changed.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Making jokes about something like this isn't right. I would hope that you would know that. There is such a message of hate and intolerance in this country...it's ridiculous. When kids that young have somehow gotten the message that it's ok to kill another kid because they're different, the message needs to be changed.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 02:49 PM
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 02:49 PM
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 02:49 PM
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
I didn't know by wearing heels and blush you were asking to be shoot.
Logic. Use it.
I didn't know by wearing heels and blush you were asking to be shoot.
Logic. Use it.
I didn't know by wearing heels and blush you were asking to be shoot.
Logic. Use it.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Maybe you have a lot of people out there who are so afraid of their feelings. They think they "might be gay" so they lash out at anything, any implication or suggestion, that would imply it.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Maybe you have a lot of people out there who are so afraid of their feelings. They think they "might be gay" so they lash out at anything, any implication or suggestion, that would imply it.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Maybe you have a lot of people out there who are so afraid of their feelings. They think they "might be gay" so they lash out at anything, any implication or suggestion, that would imply it.
Gilpesh
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
That should teach that black kid to whistle at a white woman....
Wait... who are we supposed to be hating in this thread?
:dry:
Gilpesh
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
That should teach that black kid to whistle at a white woman....
Wait... who are we supposed to be hating in this thread?
:dry:
Gilpesh
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
That should teach that black kid to whistle at a white woman....
Wait... who are we supposed to be hating in this thread?
:dry:
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:23 PM
what's wrong with you:huh:
I don't think I'm in the wrong for thinking it's retarded for an eigth grader to be dressed that way regardless of sexual orientation...it's just ****ing retarded. Do that **** in your own home or anywhere else. When your in school and dressing that way you're creating a uncomfortable environment for others around you.. it's pretty disruptive imo.
Its only disruptive when the people around said person are immature and irresponsible cretins....
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:23 PM
what's wrong with you:huh:
I don't think I'm in the wrong for thinking it's retarded for an eigth grader to be dressed that way regardless of sexual orientation...it's just ****ing retarded. Do that **** in your own home or anywhere else. When your in school and dressing that way you're creating a uncomfortable environment for others around you.. it's pretty disruptive imo.
Its only disruptive when the people around said person are immature and irresponsible cretins....
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:23 PM
what's wrong with you:huh:
I don't think I'm in the wrong for thinking it's retarded for an eigth grader to be dressed that way regardless of sexual orientation...it's just ****ing retarded. Do that **** in your own home or anywhere else. When your in school and dressing that way you're creating a uncomfortable environment for others around you.. it's pretty disruptive imo.
Its only disruptive when the people around said person are immature and irresponsible cretins....
I find pants around your knees and boxers up to your chest and a shirt so big it could be a parachute and more fake gold chains than a New York pawn shop distractive yet its "socially acceptible."
I find pants around your knees and boxers up to your chest and a shirt so big it could be a parachute and more fake gold chains than a New York pawn shop distractive yet its "socially acceptible."
I find pants around your knees and boxers up to your chest and a shirt so big it could be a parachute and more fake gold chains than a New York pawn shop distractive yet its "socially acceptible."
Addendum
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
In the graphic novel Persepolis, the author Marjane Satrapi tells us about growing up in Iran before, during and after the Iranian Revolution. When she was older and in college, she started to run to catch the bus as she was going to be late for a doctor's appointment. A voice started booming over the loudspeakers telling the woman (Marjane) to stop running. She stopped and 2 guards approached her. One of them told her that her running was unladylike as it was making the men uncomfortable due to the movement of her posterior, even though she was wearing the proper dress for a woman. She then yelled at the guard "Then quit looking at my ass!!!" and went on her way.
So if some guy is wearing high heels and makeup, and it's making you uncomfortable, then quit looking at him.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
In the graphic novel Persepolis, the author Marjane Satrapi tells us about growing up in Iran before, during and after the Iranian Revolution. When she was older and in college, she started to run to catch the bus as she was going to be late for a doctor's appointment. A voice started booming over the loudspeakers telling the woman (Marjane) to stop running. She stopped and 2 guards approached her. One of them told her that her running was unladylike as it was making the men uncomfortable due to the movement of her posterior, even though she was wearing the proper dress for a woman. She then yelled at the guard "Then quit looking at my ass!!!" and went on her way.
So if some guy is wearing high heels and makeup, and it's making you uncomfortable, then quit looking at him.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
In the graphic novel Persepolis, the author Marjane Satrapi tells us about growing up in Iran before, during and after the Iranian Revolution. When she was older and in college, she started to run to catch the bus as she was going to be late for a doctor's appointment. A voice started booming over the loudspeakers telling the woman (Marjane) to stop running. She stopped and 2 guards approached her. One of them told her that her running was unladylike as it was making the men uncomfortable due to the movement of her posterior, even though she was wearing the proper dress for a woman. She then yelled at the guard "Then quit looking at my ass!!!" and went on her way.
So if some guy is wearing high heels and makeup, and it's making you uncomfortable, then quit looking at him.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
Nice edit. I see you cut out the part where you try justifying the motive for the murder.:whatever:
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
Nice edit. I see you cut out the part where you try justifying the motive for the murder.:whatever:
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
Nice edit. I see you cut out the part where you try justifying the motive for the murder.:whatever:
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:29 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
Then its a question of upbringing....I was raised to behave myself when I went to school, if I didn't and my mom heard about it she usually wore my a$$ out.....
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:29 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
Then its a question of upbringing....I was raised to behave myself when I went to school, if I didn't and my mom heard about it she usually wore my a$$ out.....
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:29 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
Then its a question of upbringing....I was raised to behave myself when I went to school, if I didn't and my mom heard about it she usually wore my a$$ out.....
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