View Full Version : The Kevin Bacon/Sebastian Shaw Thread
WeaponXProject
08-19-2010, 03:03 PM
Cable should be nowhere near these films.
I wouldn't worry about it. I said earlier that Marvel optioned Cable with a few other properties icluding Iron Fist, Black Panther Dr. Strange and more last year. Reported on this very site actually.
So unless Fox has the exclusive rights to use all characters that have appeared in X-Men comics as an infant in Uncanny X-Men sometime and then I know he was introduced as the Cable we know in the New Mutants comics a few issues before Deadpool came out in New Mutants.
Spider-ManHero12
08-20-2010, 07:11 PM
Tbh, I have my FINGERS CROSSED that Bacon is playing Mister Sinister. I just hope it goes through.
louiebling$
08-20-2010, 07:42 PM
Confirmed: Bacon is Playing Sebatian Shaw
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/46217
Lightning Strykez!
08-20-2010, 07:48 PM
Guys, check out AICN now for an interview with Bryan Singer.
I have renamed this thread to reflect the appropriate casting for this actor.
psyonic
08-20-2010, 07:54 PM
Schaweeeet! Hellfire Club! Sebastian Shaw! Villainous Emma Frost!
I may forgive Fox for X3 afterall!
ken smith
08-20-2010, 08:08 PM
How would Sebastian Shaw be the World Greatest Threat? hmmm
psyonic
08-20-2010, 08:24 PM
Shaw funded the Sentinels in the comics.
Phoenix_Flare
08-21-2010, 08:13 AM
Ha!!! I was right!!! I knew he was playing Shaw!!!!!!! but is it me but the Hellfire Club is only interesting to me when Jena/Phoenix is involved...so I wonder what'll be his motive in this film???
Also are they going w/616 counterpart or the ultimate version???
ken smith
08-21-2010, 09:30 AM
Sebastian Shaw sounds like Linderman from Heroes Season 1. He's like the type of guy that controls everything and knows everything. He's really a threat even if i don't know much about him.
Stripesy Strip
08-21-2010, 02:19 PM
I don't get this casting.
terry78
08-21-2010, 02:38 PM
I don't get this casting.
What's to get? He's an excellent actor, can do everything from slow burn to menacing. Vaughn obviously wanted him.
Stripesy Strip
08-21-2010, 02:42 PM
What's to get? He's an excellent actor, can do everything from slow burn to menacing. Vaughn obviously wanted him.
I'm not questioning Bacon the actor but they having picked him for the role. When he's acted as villain before Bacon has come off more like a weasely guy.
Sebastien Shaw was based on Robert Shaw.
Hotwire
08-21-2010, 05:30 PM
I'm not questioning Bacon the actor but they having picked him for the role. When he's acted as villain before Bacon has come off more like a weasely guy.
Sebastien Shaw was based on Robert Shaw.
Watch Death Sentence.
psyonic
08-21-2010, 05:32 PM
Watch Death Sentence.
He was soo good in that movie.
conan69
08-22-2010, 03:16 AM
I can see Bacon as Shaw EASILY. I can see him with the sideburns, long hair in a ponytail and a frilly shirt. It works for me, though I would really like to see him put on a bit of weight. IMHO hes gonna own this role.
Funny that Seb Shaw is modelled after Robert Shaw, because I thought that back when those issues came out, WAY before the internet and bits of info like that became available.
Brynes Shaw looked like Robert.
Stripesy Strip
08-22-2010, 12:13 PM
Watch Death Sentence.
Yea, I know some poster would bring the one movie Bacon was ever badass in. He played a normal guy pushed to the brink. Still a normal guy. Robert Shaw was a badass all the time.
The thing with Sebastian Shaw it's that he's an imposing, commanding presence. He's brawn and intelligence in one man. Two elements that Bacon doesn't possesses. He's a muscular guy too. Just look at Robert Shaw, he could make your blood freeze with one mean look.
Sure Bacon could make it work as he's good actor. You could dress any young actress like an old lady too. But wouldn't be easier to cast someone that is close to the character?
The Wizard
08-22-2010, 12:20 PM
At what point in X2 does Shaw appear? Apparently it's a scene where he's talking to Beast via TV screen. Anyone know the exact time?
Nightmare
08-22-2010, 12:39 PM
I cant wait to see Bacon's role as Shaw. Bacon also played a pretty sick villian in hollow man. Relentless.
Yeah, his character was awful in that.
Doctor Jones
08-22-2010, 12:59 PM
That movie in general is awful.
Anyone else doubting we won't see a pony-tail and frilly shirt? There's a chance but I think they're going in a different direction.
Doubt it. Singer's never really been hung up on appearance. Hence why McAvoy will have hair, Magneto's hair wasn't white, and Pyro was a brunette.
conan69
08-22-2010, 02:15 PM
I think we'll see those things - something to acknowledge the characters comic book appearance, while also working on film without looking silly.
Project862006
08-22-2010, 02:36 PM
i personally feel Jason Isaac resembles sHaw more but i think bacon can do a good job as well
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26773/1135658-sebastian_shaw.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/78984-51998-sebastian-shaw.jpg
http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/9357/242581%7EJason-Isaacs-Posters.jpg
ken smith
08-27-2010, 11:42 AM
Now Sebastian shaw is the main villain, do you guys think it will lead to the introduction of the sentinels since Jean and Cyclops won't be in the movie. Remember he once funded the Sentinels program
Doctor Jones
08-27-2010, 12:08 PM
i personally feel Jason Isaac resembles sHaw more but i think bacon can do a good job as well
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26773/1135658-sebastian_shaw.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/78984-51998-sebastian-shaw.jpg
http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/9357/242581%7EJason-Isaacs-Posters.jpg
That's because Jason Isaacs looks like every single villain ever. :doh:
TNC9852002
08-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Now Sebastian shaw is the main villain, do you guys think it will lead to the introduction of the sentinels since Jean and Cyclops won't be in the movie. Remember he once funded the Sentinels program
I'm having trouble seeing the connection between sentinels and no Jean and Cyclops.. :p
ken smith
08-27-2010, 12:38 PM
I meant to say since there will be no phoenix, do you think Sebastian Shaw will led to the introduction of the sentinels.
It would appear many have no knowledge of Shaw or the Hellfire club outside of the Phoenix storyline.
ken smith
08-27-2010, 12:51 PM
But jean isn't going to be in the movie, so how will the phoenix storyline appear.
ken smith
08-27-2010, 12:59 PM
why is shaw in this movie if he was only in the phoenix storyline in the comics.
Reread my post:
It would appear many (ken smith) have no knowledge of Shaw or the Hellfire club outside of the Phoenix storyline.
ken smith
08-27-2010, 01:18 PM
I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix
Nokio
08-27-2010, 01:23 PM
How will their be Sentinals if the movie is set in the 60's? Just a thought. Singer and Fox once again freaking up history. Now Shaw is older then Mags and Prof X? Marvel really needs to get the rites back to Xmen. Even with that being said I like Bacon as Shaw. The man is a damn good actor. Thinking that Sinister would've been a better villian based on the time line. Vaughan seems capable of delivering though but again the history is just all over the place. Do they have any faithfulness to the comics at all?
Nokio
08-27-2010, 01:26 PM
I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix
Theirs been few but nothing that impressed me with Shaw. Both him and the Hellfire club were the most interesting during the Phoenix storyline but outside of that they usually bore me to tears.
Nokio
08-27-2010, 01:42 PM
I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix
He focused on Machine Man I think at one time in some limited series offshoot from The Avengers. Machine Man had future Sentinal tech that Shaw wanted or something. He was also one of the villians of Nate Grey the Cable of AOA who has his own series X Man some years back.Their have been some story arcs with Shaw later in Xmen that never went anywhere. His focus was always on Prof X and how he was going to bring Xavier down. The two had some history together that was never explained. Another arc was he wanted Tessa back, who was a mutant telepath and activator or somtething. She was one of Xavier's first students and was a spy placed by Xavier within the Hellfire club. She was their for many years and became Shaw's close assistant.
Shaw just isn't an interesting or menacing villain. Yeah his power makes him hard to fight but outside the Phoenix story arc nothing have ever took off that made fans wanting more. I don't even think he made the top list of the greatest Xmen villains. Even with all that being said I don't mind him as the villain in the movie as long as its not Mags again. Shaw and the Hellfire club should've been brought in for X3. Just wish Singer and Fox would pick up a d@mn Marvel history book.
psyonic
08-27-2010, 03:06 PM
Stryker was a reverend in GLMK but made a military man for X2. They will probably take liberties with Shaw in FC. Maybe Jean will be in FC as a surprise, who knows. They are still keeping stuff from fans and shooting hasn't even begun, which is why I find it absurd that people are already whining about the movie.
Deaths Head II
08-27-2010, 06:27 PM
I wonder if the Hellions will play a role in this. I think it would be a missed opportunity not to factor them in considering the fact this about how Xavier starts his school and the Hellfire Club has it's own school for mutants.Maybe the younger mutants in this film are actually in Emma Frost's school. Maybe Xavier and Magneto split when they have to decide what exactly they're going to do with the students they freed from the Hellfire Club.
ken smith
08-27-2010, 08:01 PM
Very good argument, Deaths Head
Michellemabelle
08-27-2010, 09:34 PM
I wonder if we'll see him in mutton chops and a ponytail here. Or in eighteenth century dress. Likely not.
squeekness
08-27-2010, 10:28 PM
Hopefully not. :p I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.
Deaths Head II
08-27-2010, 11:27 PM
I don't think we'll be getting the eighteenth century dress and I definitely don't think we'll be getting the lingerie. They'll probably just be some really upscale looking people.
terry78
08-27-2010, 11:31 PM
Hopefully not. :p I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.
Why I oughta.....:argh:
ken smith
08-28-2010, 08:58 AM
How will they be able to defeat Shaw? He seems pretty undefeatable
FaT_tONle
08-28-2010, 09:01 AM
How will their be Sentinals if the movie is set in the 60's? Just a thought. Singer and Fox once again freaking up history. Now Shaw is older then Mags and Prof X? Marvel really needs to get the rites back to Xmen. Even with that being said I like Bacon as Shaw. The man is a damn good actor. Thinking that Sinister would've been a better villian based on the time line. Vaughan seems capable of delivering though but again the history is just all over the place. Do they have any faithfulness to the comics at all?
If it is a trilogy I am sure we will see Sinister sooner than later. I do wonder if Shaw will be reoccurring though since they won't touch on the Pheonix in this one without Jean.
terry78
08-28-2010, 09:06 AM
How will they be able to defeat Shaw? He seems pretty undefeatable
He has no defense against being attacked psionically.
ken smith
08-28-2010, 09:08 AM
ok. I forgot about that, thanks terry78. This guy can take on Magneto himself.
Deaths Head II
08-28-2010, 09:40 AM
He has no defense against being attacked psionically.
He'll also probably have Emma on his side too though.
terry78
08-28-2010, 10:06 AM
He'll also probably have Emma on his side too though.
Which means they'll have to take her out first.
WillardNation
08-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Hopefully not. :p I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.
There's nothing I take more seriously than a beautiful woman in lingerie.
TNC9852002
08-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Judging from how Vaughn was really going to go all out with portraying astral/psionic fight sequences in the movie, I wonder if they will do more in visually or audially portray some of the mutant powers. I think there should be more going on in the scenes where telekinesis or telepathy is being used, especially when there's a lot of effort and energy being used. I liked the warping effect they used in X2 when Magneto was shutting down/opening Dark Cerebro and I'd like to see something simple like that in FC with some of the newer mutants' powers.
Project862006
08-28-2010, 04:31 PM
well Lauren Shuler Donner
did say this
This is THE X-Men and there’s a world. In that world, we can tell many stories. We’re trying to do everything as practical as possible but sometimes we have to build it just to control it. We are going to try as much practical effects as possible. Then only when we have to, use CGI. Matthew Vaughn is a really good director. He brings a very stylish and sort of out of the box vision.
AntiG
08-30-2010, 01:31 PM
Kevin Bacon on this year's Emmy red carpet:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4942074621_0b647ab197.jpg
Doctor Jones
08-30-2010, 04:57 PM
Teh Bacon!!!
squeekness
08-30-2010, 10:48 PM
They still look so lovely together. :D
illest urban
08-30-2010, 11:24 PM
Bacon is with The Closer!?!? I'm so two thousand and LATE here.
Squidboy
08-31-2010, 11:03 AM
Bacon is with The Closer!?!? I'm so two thousand and LATE here.
They've been together since '88, so you're practically Nineteen-Eighty-Late. I only knew they were married because of a comment she made on Conan O'Brien, so I'm only slightly ahead of the curve.
Regarding Bacon at the Emmy's, I found it interesting that he had a bit of a goatee going on, it got my Sinister senses tingling. But then again, maybe Shaw doesn't have his chops in this movie, or it could be some fake facial hair. My nerd mind was just going wild when I saw him in the audience, even though it means nothing.
danoyse
08-31-2010, 02:42 PM
I got a collective "Really?!?!" :wow: from everyone in the room when I mentioned that he was going to be in the new X-Men movie while we were watching the Emmys the other night.
Yeah, I told my mom and she was like ":eek::wow:"
Doctor Jones
08-31-2010, 05:21 PM
Yeah, Kevin Bacon being in an X-Men film is the most random thing ever. First you're like WTF? then you're like :awesome:
Squidboy
09-01-2010, 04:19 PM
I wonder if Bacon and January Jones will bond over Sedgwick winning the Emmy over Jones :argh:
Nokio
09-02-2010, 11:22 AM
ok. I forgot about that, thanks terry78. This guy can take on Magneto himself.
Magneto in the comics can crush Shaw easily. I don't know it's going to be portrayed in the movie but Shaw has never been a problem for Magneto in the comics
Nokio
09-02-2010, 11:28 AM
How will they be able to defeat Shaw? He seems pretty undefeatable
No he isn't. Storm defeated him by overloading his power absorption ability, which isn't limitless. He isnt a problem for the Scarlett Witch or Rogue(depending on her range) and Dr Strange or someone who wields magic. He can't absorb Wolverine claws, knives or bullets or Swords. However he can absorb the slashing force but how long can he stay alive if being violently rip to shreds by Logan before he absorbs enough power? When Shaw absorbs enough energy the higher his invulnerability becomes. Banshee also used his sonics to defeat him somehow too.
Nokio
09-02-2010, 11:38 AM
He has no defense against being attacked psionically.
In the comics he does. I believe he has an implant or something that shields him, similar to what mystique has. However a massively powerful telepath like Phoenix or Nate Grey can overload it. I remember reading that they are the only two psionic beings where telepathic shielding is useless.
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:D:awesome::D
Retroman
12-06-2010, 02:40 AM
^^Lol.:D
narrows101
01-19-2011, 08:40 AM
Kevin Bacon interview - click link for the Q&A.
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/01/19/interview-kevin-bacon-x-men-first-class/
Kevin Bacon on X-Men First Class.....
As all 'X-Men' fans know, 'X-Men: First Class' is going back to the very beginning, before Charles Xavier was known as Professor X and Eric Lensherr became Magneto, with 'Kick-Ass' director Matthew Vaughn at the helm.
Kevin Bacon took some time out of his Golden Globes day to chat with Moviefone about joining the X-Men family. He plays villain Sebastian Shaw, a powerful mutant who's planning to take over the world amidst the backdrop of the swinging '60s and the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Bacon teased some great scenes opposite the new Magneto (Michael Fassbender of 'Inglourious Basterds') and his character's cool '60s style, including a private inner sanctum and his own sub.
marvelrobbins
01-19-2011, 08:56 AM
Great Interview.The film takes place mostly around the time of the Cuban missile crisis.And Intresting to hear a clue how the Hellfire club Is being translated.
conan69
01-19-2011, 09:23 AM
Yea that was a good interview. Thanks for the link.
huzzah
01-19-2011, 10:08 AM
Good interview. Glad he enjoyed his time playing the villan.
Nightmare
01-19-2011, 11:00 AM
Awesome Interview, I love Kevin Bacon. Can't wait to see what he's done with the character. Looking very much forward to that now.
The Guard
01-19-2011, 11:17 AM
Interesting that he'd need to be speaking German...
Crockett
01-19-2011, 11:45 AM
Perhaps he talk to Azazel at one point in german? It's possible considering Azazel is Shaw's henchman.
I'm intrigued by that hall of mirrors scene.
Angamb
01-19-2011, 12:11 PM
another great interview from the actors.
Their own words make the movie more interesting than the full team photo.
its curious.
Marvel
01-19-2011, 12:54 PM
Interesting that he'd need to be speaking German...
I fully expected more fanboy sniveling regarding that statement. I'm glad no one is making a big deal out of it.
"He can't do THAT in the books!!!!!!" :waa:
X-Maniac
01-19-2011, 01:09 PM
I fully expected more fanboy sniveling regarding that statement. I'm glad no one is making a big deal out of it.
"He can't do THAT in the books!!!!!!" :waa:
Indeed, it is an extrapolation of his power.
I guess his comic book power only applies when he is being hit/blasted etc, thus relying on action scenes to be set up for that to happen. By expanding it and making it subtler, it can be used in other circumstances and also explains partly why he would be so influential/wealthy.
Spidey-Quad
01-19-2011, 03:38 PM
Yep, but it's still making up $h!^ alla FOX. Why not have Shaw have the Midas touch?
Spidey-Quad
01-19-2011, 03:40 PM
FOX: Making comic book movies their way ... cheap!
Spidey-Quad
01-19-2011, 03:40 PM
FOX: Making comic book movies their way ... cheap!
LuisTX85
01-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Kevin Bacon interview - click link for the Q&A.
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/01/19/interview-kevin-bacon-x-men-first-class/
Nice!,I'm starting to get kinda hyped about this more&more.
insane polaris
02-15-2011, 02:28 PM
I hope we see Tessa, even if she's just briefly seen. If the Hellfire Club have dancers or strippers (trailer persumed) than it would be cool to get a close up of a girl dancing with Sage tattoos.
protocida
02-15-2011, 02:55 PM
^ I doubt it.
I'm also hoping that Shaw doesn't turn out to be the Nazi scientist that experimented on Erik during World War II as it has been cogitated. I like the idea of manipulative American businessman Shaw.
Wolverine1988
02-15-2011, 05:00 PM
I hope we get to seee Shaw uses his powers to fight someone.Though sounds like that won't happen.
Mulholland '49
02-15-2011, 05:03 PM
I hope we get to seee Shaw uses his powers to fight someone.Though sounds like that won't happen.
He seems to sound like a James Bond villain like Goldfinger or Dr. No (more destructive by their brains and less by brawn). And of course Bond villains always have henchmen. :yay:
protocida
02-15-2011, 05:07 PM
Yeah, Kevin Bacon said Shaw is a Mastermind sitting in a comfy chair and plotting kinda guy.
Alexei Belyakov
02-16-2011, 05:22 PM
He seems to sound like a James Bond villain like Goldfinger or Dr. No (more destructive by their brains and less by brawn). And of course Bond villains always have henchmen. :yay:
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
ken smith
03-02-2011, 11:08 AM
I hope we get to seee Shaw uses his powers to fight someone.Though sounds like that won't happen.
Yeah there was a spoiler stating that Beast Mystique and the Villain have a fight May be his powers could give him a little fighting skills.
MercuryFrost
03-03-2011, 10:55 PM
I think "the Villain" they're referring to is Azazel.
The Original Bamfer
03-03-2011, 11:22 PM
Yeah, Bacon's said Shaw's not much of a fighter, though he did say he's involved in an action sequence that takes place in a hall of mirrors. How that pans out, I'm not sure, but I'd say we got a look at the hall/room of mirrors. And an action sequence in there would be mind-blowing.
bhayes
03-09-2011, 11:26 PM
If i remember correctly shebestian shaw can absorb energy blasts and it has a hulk out affect on him where it makes hims stronger physically.
i guess they may have changed this around. doing it like they did on the cartoon would suck on screen. they have already made necessary changes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dwbuCbjf4&feature=related
psyonic
03-10-2011, 12:05 AM
In the comics, he absorbs kinetic energy directed towards him and he can re-channel that energy as super strength and invulnerability. He doesn't "hulk out". There are no physical changes.
In the movie, they say he can mimic the "talents" of people i.e learning a new language when speaking to someone who knows how to speak it. I'm assuming he can mimic powers as well.
Nokio
03-10-2011, 12:11 AM
Shaw mimicing powers now is just beyond me if we are to assume that his ability has been changed. I see no reason why his ability needed to be change, Fox just really kills me with all these undo changes.
bhayes
03-10-2011, 04:21 AM
well we will see. Sometimes changes are necessary. i mean i think they have done a good job so far.
instead of the actual hell fire club aristocrat look. they went with a more 60's well dressed snob look.
as for his powers. well powers are hard to portray on screen. and they have to make it look good.its not easy
Spider-Fan83
03-10-2011, 04:58 AM
I was kinda wondering this myself...
his powers do seem like they would be hard to represent on screen, without an explanation
this idea of him mimicking people/powers seems like something that would be easier to show... that people would get what’s going on, and would be something they can represent physical on screen, so, I kinda get it... but, still
chamber-music
03-10-2011, 05:07 AM
His current powers sound more like X-Man Prodigy who has the ability to absorb the knowledge and skills of anyone within a limited distance. Possibly Mimic as well although I think I read Bacon saying he doesn't have many action scenes/physical stuff so I'm not too sure of how much we will see of that side of his powers
This is what Kevin Bacon said in an interview anyway
What can you tell us about your character, Sebastian Shaw, and how he figures into the plot?
You don't see much [of his backstory] in the movie, but he's kind of a self-made man. He lost his father as a young man, made his first million by the time he was 30 and first billion by time he was 40. He's a very powerful billionaire and also, as it turns out, a mutant. He's the leader of the Hellfire Club, which is a nightclub for the rich and extremely powerful. And he has a plot to take over the world, so that's really fun. He's incredibly good at manipulating people and at taking whatever kind of energy or ability they have and using it to his advantage, like if he's talking to a German, he's fluent in German. He's very charming and able to get whatever he wants.
ladymidnight
03-16-2011, 11:51 PM
terrible. why not just use mimic or prodigy? switching mutants powers around is a horrible idea.
MessiahDecoy123
03-16-2011, 11:55 PM
Well to be fair his comic book powers wouldn't result in money and power.
The movie powers fit the characters social status much better.
ladymidnight
03-17-2011, 12:12 AM
it doesnt need to. sebastian got rich off his daddy. besides someone could earn alot of respect and money off having super strength.
Nokio
03-17-2011, 12:44 AM
I was kinda wondering this myself...
his powers do seem like they would be hard to represent on screen, without an explanation
this idea of him mimicking people/powers seems like something that would be easier to show... that people would get what’s going on, and would be something they can represent physical on screen, so, I kinda get it... but, still
You and others can't be serious??? What exactly is hard about representing Shaw's power on screen? Explain how it is difficult? An FX director couldn't ask for an easier power to shocase. Phoenix is difficult or a challenge, Shaw is not.
Nokio
03-17-2011, 12:51 AM
Well to be fair his comic book powers wouldn't result in money and power.
The movie powers fit the characters social status much better.
WTF? What does his power have to do with his wealth? I don't know any wealthy super powered character who's power earned them billions. Not Batman, not Angel, not Tony Stark, heck all these guys came from wealthy families already. How is Shaw different. His father was wealthy. Even if Shaw was self made he would need his brain to do it. The man is a shrewd business man as well as manipulator. His brain is his power for wealth and business.
Here we go again with Fox and Singer and them making changes that makes no d@mn sense and does not further the story or making the movie more adaptable for the big screen. I don't get it and I don't see why there is a need to change Shaw's mutant power.
MessiahDecoy123
03-17-2011, 07:56 AM
I always saw the Hellfire Club as a group of mutants who used their mutant abilities for power, wealth, and influence.
Their powers should be useful to the groups ambitions.
danoyse
03-17-2011, 10:52 AM
Moved this discussion to the Shaw thread. bhayes - you don't need to create a new thread for every topic of the movie. Check to see if there's an existing thread first and just post there. Thanks.
Spider-Fan83
03-17-2011, 03:58 PM
You and others can't be serious??? What exactly is hard about representing Shaw's power on screen? Explain how it is difficult? An FX director couldn't ask for an easier power to shocase. Phoenix is difficult or a challenge, Shaw is not.
Wasn’t suggesting it to be hard to represent from a visional FX standpoint… as it would be more then easy, it would practically be non-existent… which is the point, that there would be little to no visional representation of how his powers work, which might make it hard for the general audience (non-comic book readers, who don’t know what is powers are) to know what is happening
Nokio
03-17-2011, 04:58 PM
Wasn’t suggesting it to be hard to represent from a visional FX standpoint… as it would be more then easy, it would practically be non-existent… which is the point, that there would be little to no visional representation of how his powers work, which might make it hard for the general audience (non-comic book readers, who don’t know what is powers are) to know what is happening
So i guess they shouldve changed Rogue's power as well cause that was part of the X films problems and why no one understood what her ability was huh? Give me a break. The audience is not that dumb. A 6 year old could watch the movie and know what Shaw's power was. If they could do Rogue I don't see how an explanation for Shaw's power would be any different.
X-Maniac
03-17-2011, 06:39 PM
So i guess they shouldve changed Rogue's power as well cause that was part of the X films problems and why no one understood what her ability was huh? Give me a break. The audience is not that dumb. A 6 year old could watch the movie and know what Shaw's power was. If they could do Rogue I don't see how an explanation for Shaw's power would be any different.
I think it would be possible to show/explain Shaw's energy absorption. They obviously chose to change his abilities. I think when i saw that Bacon looks nothing like Shaw visually, I was prepared for this change somehow. Especially as other aspects of the film look comic-accurate (Magneto helmet, Beast look, Banshee scream etc)
Spider-Fan83
03-17-2011, 07:02 PM
So i guess they shouldve changed Rogue's power as well cause that was part of the X films problems and why no one understood what her ability was huh? Give me a break. The audience is not that dumb. A 6 year old could watch the movie and know what Shaw's power was. If they could do Rogue I don't see how an explanation for Shaw's power would be any different.
I am sorry, not really getting the comparison...
what was the problem with rogues powers... I thought, they were represent fine (tho, even so, they still felt the need to explain it)
why was there people who didn't get how her powers work, when the movie first came out (I don't really remember that being an issue, but, it was a long time ago)
so, I'm not sure what to say to that....
and furthermore, I am not really arguing anything here or trying defined it... I was just explaining where I was coming from (since, you quoted my post, tho, I know you were just using mine as an example, and not calling me out personally) I am obviously not going to change your mind, nor I am trying to, your entitled to your opinion...
Nokio
03-18-2011, 01:55 AM
I am sorry, not really getting the comparison...
what was the problem with rogues powers... I thought, they were represent fine (tho, even so, they still felt the need to explain it)
why was there people who didn't get how her powers work, when the movie first came out (I don't really remember that being an issue, but, it was a long time ago)
so, I'm not sure what to say to that....
and furthermore, I am not really arguing anything here or trying defined it... I was just explaining where I was coming from (since, you quoted my post, tho, I know you were just using mine as an example, and not calling me out personally) I am obviously not going to change your mind, nor I am trying to, your entitled to your opinion...
The comparison I'm making is that you said Shaw's power might be hard to translate(not sure if u said it but someone did) on screen and that the non comic fan might not get his power. I simply used rogue as an example. There was nothing wrong with her power on screen but it's closet to Shaw's abilty then any of the other Xmen that's been in the films and just trying to proive that it would be fairly simple for his power to be done on screen.
Nokio
03-18-2011, 02:04 AM
I think it would be possible to show/explain Shaw's energy absorption. They obviously chose to change his abilities. I think when i saw that Bacon looks nothing like Shaw visually, I was prepared for this change somehow. Especially as other aspects of the film look comic-accurate (Magneto helmet, Beast look, Banshee scream etc)
Then why use him at all? What is the point of changing his power. Switching powers of comic characters is a major no no because it's not going to be the same freaking character. Do not do it. Another X film in name only. What is so hard to sticking to the source material?? The same with Havoc, why is he Scott's father now. This is ridiculas. I'm pretty easy on changes if their is logic behind it but Havoc and Shaw makes no sense. Why stop there, It would be cool if Xavier could fly too. Oh man I'm pissed. I really hope Marvel can get their rites back somehow.
jaymes_e06
03-18-2011, 02:11 AM
^Bryan Singer wanted Emma Frost to be an empath when he was in pre-production for X3. Powers I agree need to stay the same but the spirit of the character needs to stay the same even more. The Emma power change I would have been fine with it's the fact that he wanted Sigorney Weaver to play her that would have bothered me.
psylockolussus
03-18-2011, 04:13 AM
I cant wait to see Sebastian Shaw's power in the movie!
X-Maniac
03-18-2011, 01:42 PM
Then why use him at all? What is the point of changing his power. Switching powers of comic characters is a major no no because it's not going to be the same freaking character. Do not do it. Another X film in name only. What is so hard to sticking to the source material?? The same with Havoc, why is he Scott's father now. This is ridiculas. I'm pretty easy on changes if their is logic behind it but Havoc and Shaw makes no sense. Why stop there, It would be cool if Xavier could fly too. Oh man I'm pissed. I really hope Marvel can get their rites back somehow.
Well, there have been changes to comic book characters on screen since there have been comic book characters on screen.
Why not ask the actor or director, via that Facebook page, to explain the changes made to Shaw?
Who the hell said they changed his abilities.
protocida
03-18-2011, 03:55 PM
Kevin Bacon.
protocida
03-18-2011, 04:51 PM
Yes, he did.
MercuryFrost
03-18-2011, 05:30 PM
Reading that quote, I assumed he was saying that he has a natural talent of manipulating people and making them use their abilities for him, not actually mimicking their powers and skills.
protocida
03-18-2011, 06:06 PM
He said that if he's close to somebody speaking German, he'll be fluent in German as well. That's beyond human manipulation.
MercuryFrost
03-18-2011, 06:55 PM
True. Do you suppose he can copy powers as well, or just abilities that are learned? I think the second one because instead of elaborating on a superpower (such as becoming telepathic when around a telepath), he mentions speaking German, a skill almost anyone can learn.
He said that if he's close to somebody speaking German, he'll be fluent in German as well. That's beyond human manipulation.
Ok, and after saying that did he say "And that's all I can do. Nothing else."
protocida
03-18-2011, 07:31 PM
Ok, and after saying that did he say "And that's all I can do. Nothing else."
No. And no one is saying otherwise.
Yes, this entire last page is people saying otherwise. :huh:
X-Maniac
03-18-2011, 08:04 PM
Yes, this entire last page is people saying otherwise. :huh:
Didn't he also say he doesn't have any fight scenes? That would imply we don't see him under attack from blasts, blows or bullets.
He did make it sound like a non-physical role although we don't know how the entire film plays out at this point.
Didn't he also say he doesn't have any fight scenes? That would imply we don't see him under attack from blasts, blows or bullets.
He did make it sound like a non-physical role although we don't know how the entire film plays out at this point.
Reading many of the threads on this forum, you'd think otherwise!
X-Maniac
03-18-2011, 08:13 PM
Reading many of the threads on this forum, you'd think otherwise!
I guess so, but what Bacon did say in that interview did make it sound like he's more of a smooth manipulator than an action man so I can see why people are making the assumptions. He didn't say anything about absorbing kinetic energy from physical assaults.
Evidently, Colin Firth was on the shortlist to play Shaw.
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/colin-firth-could-ve-been-an-x-men-first-class-baddie
psylockolussus
04-12-2011, 06:49 AM
Colin Firth is too humble-looking for Shaw, unlike Kevin Bacon.
EnDz0n3
04-12-2011, 06:59 AM
That would have been interesting. I'm still not sure how i feel about Kevin Bacon as Shaw.
Loganbabe
04-12-2011, 07:48 AM
Colin would've been great playing Shaw.
What this brings up, though, is the fact that Colin Firth NEEDS to be an X-Men villain one day.
It needs to happen.
RachelDawes
04-12-2011, 10:59 AM
What this brings up, though, is the fact that Colin Firth NEEDS to be an X-Men villain one day.
It needs to happen.
I wanted Firth to play Moriarty in SH 2, so I'd definitely like to see him as an X-villain.
SuperSoldier985
04-24-2011, 02:21 AM
I can't wait to see what they'll do with his powers. It's one of the few powers that I wouldn't mind having in real life. :p
Nokio
04-24-2011, 03:12 AM
I'm sure Colin would've done well in the part, he's a good actor. Bacon is a good actor as well. I don't actually care who would've played Shaw so long as it was a good actor cast. Shaw just isn't a character I don't think to many are passionate about in terms of casting. The fans would've been fine with any good actor in Hollywood today that is along the lines of Bacon or Firth.
jaymes_e06
04-24-2011, 10:05 AM
IDK I like Colin but I've grown to like Bacon as Shaw. He has the arogance needed to play the part.
Sweet Xstacy
04-24-2011, 12:03 PM
Colin Firth is too humble-looking for Shaw, unlike Kevin Bacon.
Looks can be deceiving. Colin Firth can play a great villian.
Having said that, Kevin Bacon will be fine.
SuperSoldier985
04-24-2011, 12:24 PM
It's like everyone just turned against Kevin Bacon just now.. :p
Farren
05-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I've been a little late to this party, so this might be redundant but I was surfing for some international trailerage on youtube and I came across this one, which I had not seen before.
Has an interesting shot of Shaw. Check out the 1:00 mark and don't blink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yq7Za1JnZg&feature=related
Couple screengrabs:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/int-tr-shaw01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/int-tr-shaw02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/bookwormdarlin/int-tr-shaw03.jpg
Cheshire1996
05-09-2011, 03:57 PM
Can't Shaw get Emma to do all the action related stuff for him anyways? After all she's a pretty powerful mutant in terms of her abilities.
I think Bacon will do a really good Shaw, he has the look down pat...
...though Firth would have been an awesome villain XD
WillardNation
05-10-2011, 12:44 AM
So they totally changed his powers, huh? That sucks.
Nokio
05-10-2011, 12:52 AM
Can't Shaw get Emma to do all the action related stuff for him anyways? After all she's a pretty powerful mutant in terms of her abilities.
I think Bacon will do a really good Shaw, he has the look down pat...
...though Firth would have been an awesome villain XD
Why would he. Shaw's power is actually better suited for physical battles. Emma is a telepath, her power is cerebral.she has her diamond form but she uses it more for physical protection and not fighting.
Nokio
05-10-2011, 12:53 AM
So they totally changed his powers, huh? That sucks.
They seemed to have tweaked them somewhat but he still absorbs energy it looks like. I actually don't mind the change.
kedrell
05-11-2011, 11:02 PM
Yeah that's not much of a change(if any at all). An explosion in you're face IS kinetic energy after all and not just heat.
WillardNation
05-11-2011, 11:58 PM
Well then I stand corrected. My bad.
Cheshire1996
05-12-2011, 05:46 AM
Why would he. Shaw's power is actually better suited for physical battles. Emma is a telepath, her power is cerebral.she has her diamond form but she uses it more for physical protection and not fighting.
Good point, I'm just wondering that if he is, as they say, just manipulating people then who is going to get to do his dirty work? Perhaps that's where a few of the less discussed characters come in :/
Mulholland '49
05-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Very interesting interview with Kevin Bacon hosted by our very best friends **************. :o
http://www.**************.com/fansites/CoastToCoastStation/news/?a=37791
Sweet Xstacy
05-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Very interesting interview with Kevin Bacon hosted by our very best friends **************. :o
http://www.**************.com/fansites/CoastToCoastStation/news/?a=37791
Bacon is such a professional. I know he's gonna be bad ass.
************** is doing it's best to keep the out of control trolls in line. That site was unreadable before.
DarthDaveBanner
05-23-2011, 02:47 PM
Hmmm I wonder what "happens to his face"...?
SuperSoldier985
05-23-2011, 06:23 PM
Hmmm I wonder what "happens to his face"...?
He might've been talking about that ripple effect when his powers are in-use..
EnDz0n3
05-23-2011, 06:35 PM
Might have been when Magneto punches him in the hall of mirrors.
Project862006
05-23-2011, 06:36 PM
anyone else wondering how magneto gets the helmet
how do you kill shaw since explosions and guns dont work obviously
marvelrobbins
05-23-2011, 06:59 PM
Anyone else think there may be a twist In the film with Shaw?He goes during 1940's to
being with gray hair to 1962 to having a more youthfull appearance.While the answer
could be he dyies his hair and works to appear younger I just wonder If there Is something about Shaw that IS a twist and may be a reason why they are giving almost nothing of Shaw In trailers and TV spots.
protocida
05-23-2011, 07:06 PM
I'd bet that his powers include keeping him young.
marvelrobbins
05-23-2011, 07:09 PM
Yeah absorbing energy could be the reason he appears young for someone who expermented on Magneto In World War II.
Nokio
05-23-2011, 08:01 PM
Anyone else think there may be a twist In the film with Shaw?He goes during 1940's to
being with gray hair to 1962 to having a more youthfull appearance.While the answer
could be he dyies his hair and works to appear younger I just wonder If there Is something about Shaw that IS a twist and may be a reason why they are giving almost nothing of Shaw In trailers and TV spots.
Sinister, he's really Sinister. Probably not but that would be a nice twist.
Nokio
05-23-2011, 08:05 PM
Yeah absorbing energy could be the reason he appears young for someone who expermented on Magneto In World War II.
Jeez the more i hear the more I wish Marvel would get the rites back. The movie looks good but I just cringe at some of the changes they made that serves no purpose. Why is are they using Shaw if from based on what I've been reading is that Shaw is pulling stuff very much along the lines that Sinister would do. Sinister actually was there working with the Nazis and had dealt with Mags back then. God FOX is screwing all continuity and for no reason.
Nokio
05-23-2011, 08:06 PM
I'd bet that his powers include keeping him young.
Well maybe that could explain it if they ever do an X4 and he resurfaces.
Nokio
05-23-2011, 08:08 PM
anyone else wondering how magneto gets the helmet
how do you kill shaw since explosions and guns dont work obviously
Never known Shaw to be bullet proof unless he's absorbed enough energy to increase his durability.
The Overlord
05-23-2011, 10:25 PM
Jeez the more i hear the more I wish Marvel would get the rites back. The movie looks good but I just cringe at some of the changes they made that serves no purpose. Why is are they using Shaw if from based on what I've been reading is that Shaw is pulling stuff very much along the lines that Sinister would do. Sinister actually was there working with the Nazis and had dealt with Mags back then. God FOX is screwing all continuity and for no reason.
Isn't that a really minor part of Sinister's back story though? Seriously did Magneto ever confront Sinister about working for the Nazis in the comics? I think the film makers went with Shaw for two reasons, they wanted a corporate villain and Shaw is easier to do from a special effects stand point then Sinister is, but they still wanted the villain to have some connection to Magneto's back story. Since neither sinister nor Shaw had any sort of connection to Magneto in the comics, I don't see why changing one is worse then changing the other.
Plus they could still do Sinister in another movie, which could be good, considering there is a good chance Shaw will be dead by the end of the movie.
Nokio
05-26-2011, 01:07 AM
Isn't that a really minor part of Sinister's back story though? Seriously did Magneto ever confront Sinister about working for the Nazis in the comics? I think the film makers went with Shaw for two reasons, they wanted a corporate villain and Shaw is easier to do from a special effects stand point then Sinister is, but they still wanted the villain to have some connection to Magneto's back story. Since neither sinister nor Shaw had any sort of connection to Magneto in the comics, I don't see why changing one is worse then changing the other.
Sinister did indeed have a connection to Magneto in his past. I can forgive that. Not everyone knows Xmen history. They should've just used Sinister. Bacon could've easily have played him too. As for Shaw being used, what's done is done. He's already been set up up in the film and more history mangling. I'm sorry but Shaw and Emma and the rest of the Hellfire club should be battling the Xmen. Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, and the rest of them who are fighting over Jean Grey. This direction sucks. The movie looks good but it's still not an accurate Xmen movie.
That ship sailed 5 years ago.
Oberon sexton
05-26-2011, 01:48 AM
Exactly, and if the changes really hinder your enjoyment of the film, then just think if it as an alternate universe.
S. Grundy
05-26-2011, 02:48 AM
People just need to get over their issues with the films being different than the comics. Different medium, different take, get over it or just don't watch the movies if they are going to annoy you so much.
Cheshire1996
05-27-2011, 12:06 AM
I really like his costume, he gives of such a great 'I'm better than all of you' Shaw kind of vibe.
Nokio
05-28-2011, 01:59 AM
anyone else wondering how magneto gets the helmet
how do you kill shaw since explosions and guns dont work obviously
I think Shaw actually gives it to him after a brief confrontation, and he tells Erik that he turns out exactly as he'd hoped.
X-Maniac
05-28-2011, 06:37 AM
Sinister did indeed have a connection to Magneto in his past. I can forgive that. Not everyone knows Xmen history. They should've just used Sinister. Bacon could've easily have played him too. As for Shaw being used, what's done is done. He's already been set up up in the film and more history mangling. I'm sorry but Shaw and Emma and the rest of the Hellfire club should be battling the Xmen. Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, and the rest of them who are fighting over Jean Grey. This direction sucks. The movie looks good but it's still not an accurate Xmen movie.
I felt there were elements of Sinister in Bacon's character. I'm okay with what they did, because it works on screen.
Project862006
05-28-2011, 09:11 PM
Bacon talks about Matthew Vaughn
"He's not gentle in the way he directs, to say the least. Matthew would sit by the monitor and shout something that's borderline insulting. But every time he said something -- or screamed something -- it was right on the mark."
"He's not like a ball coach, he's not talking all the time. I could shoot an entire day and do a bunch of takes and he wouldn't say anything. So it's not like he's constantly on you. There are directors who say a lot because they like the sound of themselves directing. They think that's what directors do. He doesn't have any of that. He doesn't do a lot of takes. He does zero in on things."
"I remember once he yelled, 'Stop twirling your mustache!' And it was totally on point. I was starting to get into some kind of idea of villainy and not staying true to who Sebastian was. As an actor, I can appreciate that."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/sns-la-kevin-bacon-x-men,0,6643637.story
Cheshire1996
05-29-2011, 05:21 PM
I'm actually really excited to see Bacon's performance as Shaw.
He seems like a genuinely nice person (not Shaw, Bacon).
Storm22
05-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Very excited to see Bacon's Shaw. Especially after his recent quote about how happy he was after seeing the final cut of First Class.
Wolverine1988
05-29-2011, 07:06 PM
I saw the clip of him and liked what i saw. looking foward to him in this movie.
Schlosser85
05-29-2011, 07:08 PM
I think Bacon is an underrated actor.
WillardNation
05-29-2011, 07:22 PM
Bacon is delicious.
Stripesy Strip
05-30-2011, 02:26 PM
Kevin Bacon looks pretty good in this but it's a different Shaw from the comics. It seems like they used his powers differently as here it's like a Magneto-style power while in the comics, it's more physical.
chamber-music
06-02-2011, 10:50 AM
His powers in the movie are like Gambits/Bishops he absorbs ketick energy like his comic counterpart but instead of it just increasing his strength he can rechannel the energy and release it
SuperSoldier985
06-03-2011, 05:49 AM
I agree with a lot of people and say that Shaw's introductory scene and Bacon's performance in it was fantastic. I also thought his powers looked excellent on-screen and I felt like he was truly a real threat.
Also, the scene, which we've seen in all the trailers and many tv spots of him releasing energy at the Covert CIA base at all of the soldiers and guards looked incredible. It's strange how I've seen it so many times in the advertisements but seeing it on the big screen, in context, the whole thing, with the music, final effects and everything, it was quite a jaw-dropping scene.
mr jinx
06-03-2011, 01:03 PM
So, did he always have powers or did he somehow develop them between the 40s and 60s. I must have missed that.
SuperSoldier985
06-03-2011, 01:17 PM
So, did he always have powers or did he somehow develop them between the 40s and 60s. I must have missed that.
I've noticed many people who don't know much about X-Men or mutants have also had the feeling that Shaw didn't have those powers in his introductory scene in the movie.
I thought it was implied right away when you see him later in the movie where he actually looks a bit younger, that should be your first clue right there. Then, when he says openly that his mutation has "kept" him young, that should be your confirmation in putting the two together. In that first scene, I think it was too early and unnecessary for him to show off his powers at that point. It made for a much more interesting and intense scene later in the film when it's finally revealed.
mr jinx
06-03-2011, 01:32 PM
I've noticed many people who don't know much about X-Men or mutants have also had the feeling that Shaw didn't have those powers in his introductory scene in the movie.
I thought it was implied right away when you see him later in the movie where he actually looks a bit younger, that should be your first clue right there. Then, when he says openly that his mutation has "kept" him young, that should be your confirmation in putting the two together. In that first scene, I think it was too early and unnecessary for him to show off his powers at that point. It made for a much more interesting and intense scene later in the film when it's finally revealed.
Dude, chill out. No need to be condescending. Knowing about the X-Men doesn't really help since this version of the character is not consistent with the comics. And did you see the first X-Men movie in which a human was turned into a mutant?
Obviously he had his powers in the 60's but it was not obvious if he had them in the opening of the film. I thought it possible that through his experimentation he was able to activate a mutation in himself. And sorry, but your logic is flawed. Looking younger later doesn't mean he always had powers. In fact that would actually add to the argument that he didn't have them earlier in the film.
I agree that its possible he had them and just didnt demonstrate them for dramatic purposes, but that, at least to me and it sounds like a lot of the other "ignorant" people out there hardly established a fact.
SuperSoldier985
06-03-2011, 01:50 PM
No dude, YOU chill out.
I was totally agreeing with you partly and if you read any kind of condescension in my post, you brought it in yourself.
Since there was never any inclination whatsoever about turning humans into mutants, I don't see how anyone would've brought that idea into the movie.
We're on the same page, looking at it differently--Looking younger DOESN'T mean that he always had powers, but it DOES mean that he COULD have always been a mutant. You wanted something explicit, which is okay. I'm just pointing out that it wasn't quite needed, I see where there might have been some confusion, but it's not that difficult to figure out.
mr jinx
06-03-2011, 03:06 PM
I was totally agreeing with you partly
We're on the same page, looking at it differently
Um, if you say so. And to that I say I didn't not totally disagree with you... partly. :yay:
You wanted something explicit, which is okay.
I didn't necessarily want something explicit. I was just asking if there was something explicit that I missed.
I see where there might have been some confusion, but it's not that difficult to figure out.
Isn't it though? Because it still doesn't seem clear to me if he had powers in the beginning of the movie or not. We both agree he COULD have. Which is why I asked the question "did he always have powers or did he somehow develop them?" I never asked "When did he get powers?"
BLACK-SPIDEY
06-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Man Kevin is BA, it was all him in the movie, there was no special effects involved.......
psylockolussus
06-03-2011, 03:28 PM
I've noticed many people who don't know much about X-Men or mutants have also had the feeling that Shaw didn't have those powers in his introductory scene in the movie.
Yeah my friends were like "he's a mutant too" :woot:
Kevin Bacon was terrific, one of the best performances in the X-Men movie franchise.
But I'm kinda glad is off now because he can't be the next Magneto who appears in every film.
Silvermoth
06-04-2011, 08:07 PM
You know that episode of "American Dad" when Roger gets a Kevin Bacon nose? When he wore the helm of Magneto, that was the first time ever I noticed his unique schnozz, lol.
Kevin was great in this. You can really tell a great actor by the way they can have a great performance just from the way they stand. He was a superb villain.
Blitzkrieg Bop
06-05-2011, 01:06 AM
The Baconater surprised me the most here. I didn't think he'd be anything great, but he definitely was. So refreshing to see a villain other than Magneto.
Deaths Head II
06-05-2011, 01:11 AM
Kevin Bacon was amazing in this film. He delivered a great performance in a film filled with great performances. I also agree it was very nice to see a villain other then Magneto. I was very happy that he was able to make Shaw very charismatic and menacing at the same time.
Schlosser85
06-05-2011, 01:41 AM
I thought Bacon was just deliciously evil. So smooth and calm.
Nokio
06-05-2011, 01:52 AM
Well his performance was good and he didn't ham it up like some have been saying. Bacon is a good actor but I've no idea why The character of Shaw was changed. For the love of god does anyone on board the production of these xfilms ever pick up comics or do research on the history of these characters. Does these people In the comics and yes I know it's the movie and saying it over gets old but Shaw is a mutant who could care less about mutant domination. He cares about profit and power and controlling the world but not ruling it. He's part of and ultra wealthy society of mutants and other extraordinary beings who are bent on control through political, and economic means.
Here he was Magneto and Sinister rolled into one with only slight amount of the comic Shaw. I just don't get why they didn't use Sinister.
Nokio
06-05-2011, 01:54 AM
The only thing that didn't bother was the tweaking of his powers. I liked that they expanded his absorbtion abilities to make it visually interesting.
Cheshire1996
06-05-2011, 03:02 AM
Bacon was Shaw. In those first few scenes with the young Erik he was just unbelievable. He brought everything to the role. I think out of all the fantastic performances, Bacon's was close to my favorite. He was just so villainous, sly and such a smooth snaky like character that it was absolutely brilliant.
SuperSoldier985
06-05-2011, 03:23 AM
I really don't like how they're describing some of the details of First Class in its wikipedia page...
For example:
Kevin Bacon as Sebastian Shaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Shaw_%28comics%29): A scientist and the leader of the Hellfire Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellfire_Club_%28comics%29), a secret society bent on taking over the world.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_First_Class#cite_note-11)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_First_Class#cite_note-12) Shaw is a mutant who can absorb kinetic energy used against him and use it as super strength and speed.That's really not that accurate. I wish I could go in and edit, but apparently, it's semi-protected...
Lol @ his name being Sebastian Shaw! Seriously everytime they said that name I thought of the actor from Star Wars.
sauronthegreat
06-05-2011, 09:58 AM
What becomes with the bullets which are fired at Sebastian Shaw? Does anyone have any logical explanation? By the looks of it they just vanish. If he absorbed them then his clothes would be torn, and how could he absorb metal.. it's just silly.
I loved the film, but this little thing really bothered me.
Doctor Jones
06-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Bacon was awesome. Such a cool villain. A real perfect one for this kind of thing. His introductory scene was one of my favorites. My God, his German was fantastic. Was that really him?
Just tense. It reminded me of a Tarantino film.
Oberon sexton
06-05-2011, 10:01 AM
I think we're meant to assume that they bounce off
DocHoliday
06-05-2011, 10:07 AM
Bacon was awesome. Such a cool villain. A real perfect one for this kind of thing. His introductory scene was one of my favorites. My God, his German was fantastic. Was that really him?
Just tense. It reminded me of a Tarantino film.
I was thinking that myself! He was genuinely good in this film. But he has always been able to evoke that scene stealing quality. He does really quality work.
sauronthegreat
06-05-2011, 10:20 AM
I think we're meant to assume that they bounce off
I think I can also assume that.
When a film is this beautiful flaws like that become minor.
SuperSoldier985
06-05-2011, 01:42 PM
It's not really a flaw, though..
Monsieur Xavier
06-05-2011, 03:28 PM
One thing I didn't quit understand was why at the end when he was paralyzed by Charles Erik was able to lobotomize him why the coin ? I guess because the coin was moving too slowly for Shaw to absorb its energy ?
aces15224
06-05-2011, 08:03 PM
I literally just signed up to say the same thing. Sebastian Shaw is supposed to be unkillable. How do bullets and rpg's not penetrate his skin but a slow moving coin does?
SuperSoldier985
06-05-2011, 08:10 PM
How can Shaw use his powers if Xavier was controlling him? Xavier had no trouble freezing and controlling others in the past and he even says, "I can only control this man for so long". It was implied that Xavier's telepathic powers have no real limits as far as the mind goes. If he can trick one's mind to forget, remember, and do whatever he wants, he should also be able to shut off one's link to their powers.
aces15224
06-05-2011, 08:12 PM
That would infer that he had conscious control of his powers. I guess that would be the depending factor.
ciscostudent561
06-05-2011, 08:13 PM
How can Shaw use his powers if Xavier was controlling him?
This
aces15224
06-05-2011, 08:15 PM
That doesn't make sense though. His powers aren't controlled consciously. Just like Wolverine and Rogue. They don't loose their powers when they are asleep or brain dead.
X-Maniac
06-05-2011, 08:22 PM
That doesn't make sense though. His powers aren't controlled consciously. Just like Wolverine and Rogue. They don't loose their powers when they are asleep or brain dead.
It did seem he was consciously/actively 'collecting' the energy from the explosions.
And that coin was moving so slowly it would have hardly any kinetic energy, certainly not enough to be of any use to Shaw.
Either his powers required him to be conscious or that coin was not of a high enough energy level to trigger his powers.
It's more important to see the thematic call-back in that scene to the opening of the film with Magneto's mother and the 'count to three' and the coin that Schmidt/Shaw then gave to erik.
aces15224
06-05-2011, 08:28 PM
I don't see how that is related.
Also, it seems unlikely after absorbing all of that energy from the nuke reactor that anything would be able to damage him. I wish they would have explained it or wrote a different ending. I imagine that one of those scenarios are the cause as well..... I just didn't like the writing for the end. It seemed lazy to me, like it was too hard to write a death for Bacon's character.
redhawk23
06-05-2011, 08:31 PM
What becomes with the bullets which are fired at Sebastian Shaw? Does anyone have any logical explanation? By the looks of it they just vanish. If he absorbed them then his clothes would be torn, and how could he absorb metal.. it's just silly.
I loved the film, but this little thing really bothered me.
For the same reason Darwin's clothes adapt with him.
RachelDawes
06-05-2011, 08:37 PM
I don't see how that is related.
Also, it seems unlikely after absorbing all of that energy from the nuke reactor that anything would be able to damage him. I wish they would have explained it or wrote a different ending. I imagine that one of those scenarios are the cause as well..... I just didn't like the writing for the end. It seemed lazy to me, like it was too hard to write a death for Bacon's character.
Since Charles was controlling his mind he was presumably able to shut off Shaw's powers. I guess that's why the coin was able to hurt him.
aces15224
06-05-2011, 09:46 PM
How can Shaw use his powers if Xavier was controlling him? Xavier had no trouble freezing and controlling others in the past and he even says, "I can only control this man for so long". It was implied that Xavier's telepathic powers have no real limits as far as the mind goes. If he can trick one's mind to forget, remember, and do whatever he wants, he should also be able to shut off one's link to their powers.
Once again, that would imply that his consciousness was controlling his powers. Professor X cannot change someone's genetics.
SuperSoldier985
06-05-2011, 09:50 PM
Ummm, I agree?
I think Shaw's powers are not a part of his physiology. I think he actually has to use some kind of control and consciousness to use them.
Rorschach II
06-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Once again, that would imply that his consciousness was controlling his powers. Professor X cannot change someone's genetics.
If Professor X could build mental blocks in Jean Grey's mind to limit her abilities, I'm pretty sure he could do the same to Shaw.
Silvermoth
06-06-2011, 06:06 AM
If Professor X could build mental blocks in Jean Grey's mind to limit her abilities, I'm pretty sure he could do the same to Shaw.
Well, i'm not disagreeing with what you're saying about the Professor but I will say that his blocks with Jean were designed to limit her powers not cut them off completely.
Longshot777
06-06-2011, 10:16 AM
Sebastian Shaw can absorb intense energy.
The harder you hit him...the more powerful he becomes.
That's the reason Magneto was doing it SLOWLY with the coin.
Bastionpayne
06-06-2011, 01:06 PM
Professor X can absolutely prevent mutants from using their abilities, Assuming they are not themselves telepaths. As a seasoned mutant he's shown to be capable of besting formidable telepaths. so it unremarkable that he would able to stop someone that has zero defense against a telepathic attack, pairing that with Magnetos attack is proper means to Shaw's death. Could there be something better? Sure, but I think their choice was solid, and the movie was solid.......Beast looked like Michael J Fox in the teen wolf movie.
Nokio
06-06-2011, 01:18 PM
I really don't like how they're describing some of the details of First Class in its wikipedia page...
For example:
That's really not that accurate. I wish I could go in and edit, but apparently, it's semi-protected...
It is accurate. The comic Shaw absorbs energy just like Shaw in the film, except he can just rechannel it for strength and speed and durability. He can't rechannel the energy like he did in the film to create explositions or nor can he use it to slow his aging. It was just a slight tweaking and they made his ability similar to what Xman Bishop can do. He abosorbs energy used against him and he can rechannel like what Shaw was doing in the film.
Nokio
06-06-2011, 01:28 PM
I literally just signed up to say the same thing. Sebastian Shaw is supposed to be unkillable. How do bullets and rpg's not penetrate his skin but a slow moving coin does?
He absorbs Kinetic energy. He can absorb energy based weapons, the force and enrgy from an explostion. Bullets and knives can penetrate his skin if he hasn't absorbed enough energy to be vulnerable enough to withstand projectiles. Shaw absorbs the force of the bullets that strike him, the slashing and cutting force of knives. The bullets obviously just fall away from him because he absorbs the force of their impact and momentum.
Wolverine is a threat to him because his adamntiuam can slice through anything and it's been said in the comics. Shaw does not tangle with Wolverine. I've never seen him do it because it would involve direct contact if he had to fight Logan.It would't do Shaw anygood if logan severs his head.
Unkillable?? Not so. He can be defeated. Storm and Banshee defeated him in the comics. Storm overloaded him with lightening and Banshee did something to his inner ear with sound. He don't remember but he did it. Mystique also had a gun was gonna shot him point blank range in the head until she was stoppped. She told him she had been watching him for a week or so and know that he wasn't juiced up with power, well not enough to prevent them bullets from blowing his brains out. The Hulk beat him, easily I maight add. His power is useless against rogue. Magneto of course defeated him.
Nokio
06-06-2011, 01:31 PM
One thing I didn't quit understand was why at the end when he was paralyzed by Charles Erik was able to lobotomize him why the coin ? I guess because the coin was moving too slowly for Shaw to absorb its energy ?
I thought it was pretty obvious that he couldn't use his power because Xavier had him frozen and also Magneto had that coin moving so slowly that it didn't have much kinetic energy that Shaw could use.
X-Maniac
06-06-2011, 01:41 PM
I actually preferred Shaw's power on film to the comics portrayal.
I loved the way he stomped in the CIA base and brought the place down.
Nokio
06-06-2011, 01:44 PM
I don't see how that is related.
Also, it seems unlikely after absorbing all of that energy from the nuke reactor that anything would be able to damage him. I wish they would have explained it or wrote a different ending. I imagine that one of those scenarios are the cause as well..... I just didn't like the writing for the end. It seemed lazy to me, like it was too hard to write a death for Bacon's character.
I agree, but it's the movie. I'm not sure the movie Shaw durability increases with the more power he absorbs. Also it's Magneto. Durability wouldn't matter when the man can push and pull metal through your pores.
Nokio
06-06-2011, 01:48 PM
I actually preferred Shaw's power on film to the comics portrayal.
I loved the way he stomped in the CIA base and brought the place down.
Me too, these are the kind of changes I'm for or well not against cause if it's making the comic adaptable for film htne fine. Did it need to be done? Probably not but it made for a more visually dipiction of Shaw's power.
SuperSoldier985
06-06-2011, 06:27 PM
It is accurate. The comic Shaw absorbs energy just like Shaw in the film, except he can just rechannel it for strength and speed and durability. He can't rechannel the energy like he did in the film to create explositions or nor can he use it to slow his aging. It was just a slight tweaking and they made his ability similar to what Xman Bishop can do. He abosorbs energy used against him and he can rechannel like what Shaw was doing in the film.
No, I know all that, but that was how wiki was describing his powers in the MOVIE. They need to update it to reflect how he uses his powers in the movie, not in the comics.
Nokio
06-08-2011, 05:44 PM
D@mn they should've left Shaw alive for a use at some point in an Xfilm. I felt he was a good villian. Bacon did a great job.
Nokio
06-08-2011, 05:46 PM
No, I know all that, but that was how wiki was describing his powers in the MOVIE. They need to update it to reflect how he uses his powers in the movie, not in the comics.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment.
conaniscool
06-08-2011, 05:51 PM
I actually preferred Shaw's power on film to the comics portrayal.
I loved the way he stomped in the CIA base and brought the place down.
Yeah, Shaw was pretty badass and scary in the film. I like how they waited a while before they revealed his power.
conaniscool
06-08-2011, 05:53 PM
I don't see how that is related.
Also, it seems unlikely after absorbing all of that energy from the nuke reactor that anything would be able to damage him. I wish they would have explained it or wrote a different ending. I imagine that one of those scenarios are the cause as well..... I just didn't like the writing for the end. It seemed lazy to me, like it was too hard to write a death for Bacon's character.
His death should go on a list of top villain's deaths in cinematic history.
Why couldn't Xavier shut off the parts of the brain that signal his body to activate his power? There's parts of the brain that control your legs, heart, stomach, etc. Xavier just overrode the part that controlled Shaw's powers.
Ponyboy
06-08-2011, 05:54 PM
It is accurate. The comic Shaw absorbs energy just like Shaw in the film, except he can just rechannel it for strength and speed and durability. He can't rechannel the energy like he did in the film to create explositions or nor can he use it to slow his aging. It was just a slight tweaking and they made his ability similar to what Xman Bishop can do. He abosorbs energy used against him and he can rechannel like what Shaw was doing in the film.
all this ;)
SuperSoldier985
06-08-2011, 06:25 PM
His death should go on a list of top villain's deaths in cinematic history.
Yeah, it makes the top 20 easy.
His death should go on a list of top villain's deaths in cinematic history..
I was reading another discussion forums, and one guy that saw the movie said that he felt sad that Shaw had to die, and actually that's how I felt but didn't want to admit it hehe. I think one of the reasons aside the great interpretation he put on is that I found him charismatic as a villain.
It is also strange but Kevin Bacon despite his long career trajectory never has caught my attention until now. And this time seeing him in the role of Shaw actually made me forget about Kevin Bacon and now each time that I see him I will think of him as Sebastian Shaw :)
The guys were also saying that he was signed for more X-men films but were wondering what would they do now that his character is dead. And one replied that maybe he could play Sinister which I wouldn't mind at all.
psylockolussus
06-13-2011, 03:07 AM
I saw Kevin Bacon yesterday on Jay Leno show! And they showed a clip from XFC!
WeasleyIsRKing
06-13-2011, 03:31 AM
Jay Leno, booo!!!! Long live Conan! I watched him on Letterman last week. Don't really like Letterman (a bit creepy...especially with Jennifer Lawrence) but he is at least funny sometimes, unlike Leno.
henzINNIT
06-13-2011, 05:38 AM
I've heard mixed opinions of Bacon in this film but I found him highly entertaining; a lot of charisma. I don't know a great deal about Shaw though which probably helps.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-13-2011, 08:00 AM
I thought Bacon as Shaw was absolutely superb, he just had an air of menace about him that made him a real threat, possibly the biggest threat in the franchise so, maybe even more so that McKellan's Magneto who was also superb.
Loved the way his powers were depicted as well, only thing I didnt quite understand is why Magneto's powers had no effect on him in the sub at the end, he seemed to be able to block Magneto's powers?
X-Maniac
06-13-2011, 08:56 AM
I thought Bacon as Shaw was absolutely superb, he just had an air of menace about him that made him a real threat, possibly the biggest threat in the franchise so, maybe even more so that McKellan's Magneto who was also superb.
Loved the way his powers were depicted as well, only thing I didnt quite understand is why Magneto's powers had no effect on him in the sub at the end, he seemed to be able to block Magneto's powers?
He wasn't 'blocking' Magneto. He was supercharged with energy from the nuclear reactor and that power was enough to push back the metal beams that Magneto was trying to push forward.
I saw Kevin Bacon yesterday on Jay Leno show! And they showed a clip from XFC!
That´s nice. Did he mention something about being involved in more X-men films?
He wasn't 'blocking' Magneto. He was supercharged with energy from the nuclear reactor and that power was enough to push back the metal beams that Magneto was trying to push forward.
Rt, and it could be seen that Magneto unleashed some damage in there, but Shaw was super powered at that moment.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-13-2011, 01:03 PM
He wasn't 'blocking' Magneto. He was supercharged with energy from the nuclear reactor and that power was enough to push back the metal beams that Magneto was trying to push forward.
Ah, I just thought Magneto should have been able to handle Shaw himself, maybe his emotions were getting the better of him at that point.
Rt, and it could be seen that Magneto unleashed some damage in there, but Shaw was super powered at that moment.
Yeah but what confused me a little was Shaw pushing metal back at Magneto, just thought that was a little strange at the time.
Yes, it looked like that, but this guy was immensely charged with energy that I assume he could inflict at will lots of pressure at anything he touched. We have to keep in mind also that Eric at that age was not as masterful with manipulating his powers as he was at an older age.
SuperSoldier985
06-13-2011, 01:33 PM
OT: I'm literally eating a sandwich with bacon irl btw fyi :p
Raiden
06-13-2011, 01:53 PM
I really love Kevin Bacon's Sabastian Shaw, and because a great villain usually can elevate a good movie to a great one (example: Star Wars), I think his performance enhanced the movie greatly. I wasn't too keen on his death scene, though, but I thought Vaughn did a good editing job intercepting his death with Xavier's cry of anguish at Erik's vengeance. Too bad we won't be seeing more Shaw in the future.
Btw, like someone said they basically took Bishop's ability and merge it with Shaw's, but I always though Shaw (as head of the Hellfire Club) had a rather weak ability. In this movie, they made it better much and it can explain why he's the leader despite having mutants like Emma Frost and Azazel on his team.
SuperSoldier985
06-13-2011, 02:12 PM
A lot of people are enjoying his performance.
Hell, some people are even saying that he deserves an Academy Award nomination for his role. Not in a million years of course, but it's nice to hear.. :D
OT: I'm literally eating a sandwich with bacon irl btw fyi :p
Nice hehe, I usually don't each much bacon, but I loooove the taste in Popeye's rice & beans.
I really love Kevin Bacon's Sabastian Shaw, and because a great villain usually can elevate a good movie to a great one (example: Star Wars), I think his performance enhanced the movie greatly. I wasn't too keen on his death scene, though, but I thought Vaughn did a good editing job intercepting his death with Xavier's cry of anguish at Erik's vengeance. Too bad we won't be seeing more Shaw in the future.
Btw, like someone said they basically took Bishop's ability and merge it with Shaw's, but I always though Shaw (as head of the Hellfire Club) had a rather weak ability. In this movie, they made it better much and it can explain why he's the leader despite having mutants like Emma Frost and Azazel on his team.
Right on!!
Actually I like better this version of Shaw than that of the comic book.
A lot of people are enjoying his performance.
Hell, some people are even saying that he deserves an Academy Award nomination for his role. Not in a million years of course, but it's nice to hear.. :D
As you say not in a mill years, but it would add xtra class to the movie if we had Oscar nominees. Maybe him or Fassbender? :)
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-13-2011, 04:59 PM
Yes, it looked like that, but this guy was immensely charged with energy that I assume he could inflict at will lots of pressure at anything he touched. We have to keep in mind also that Eric at that age was not as masterful with manipulating his powers as he was at an older age.
Yeah this popped into my head also, I thought by the time he is McKellan's Magneto he would have wiped the floor with him, but now not so sure, Shaw seemed pretty damn powerful, possibly the most powerful mutant we have seen yet.
SuperSoldier985
06-13-2011, 06:28 PM
As you say not in a mill years, but it would add xtra class to the movie if we had Oscar nominees. Maybe him or Fassbender? :)
If only the Oscars were bold enough to do so..
It truly was close to a Heath Ledger level performance...
Yeah this popped into my head also, I thought by the time he is McKellan's Magneto he would have wiped the floor with him, but now not so sure, Shaw seemed pretty damn powerful, possibly the most powerful mutant we have seen yet.
Next to Jean Grey in full Phoenix force (my fav) probably :)
If only the Oscars were bold enough to do so..
It truly was close to a Heath Ledger level performance...
That says a lot.
psylockolussus
06-14-2011, 02:55 AM
That´s nice. Did he mention something about being involved in more X-men films?
He did not.
I also Jennifer Lawrence on Letterman, she said XFC is a Prequel.
Nathan
06-14-2011, 03:53 AM
His introductory scene was one of my favorites. My God, his German was fantastic. Was that really him?
His german was good, but I was impressed how much better Fassbender's german was. Or even his french.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-14-2011, 07:23 AM
Next to Jean Grey in full Phoenix force (my fav) probably :)
Eh, was really not impressed by anything in X3 except Beast, Pyro and the score, was and still am REALLY dissapointed with The Pheonix we got.
His german was good, but I was impressed how much better Fassbender's german was. Or even his french.
Fassbender is part German, so I believe he speaks it fluently anyway, sure I read this during an interview for his part in Inglorious Basterds.
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