The Kevin Bacon/Sebastian Shaw Thread

[jaymes_e06]

Wierd choice but not bad either. I'm on the fence and of course this is only a rumor not to be mistaken for anything confirmed.

link:http://bit.ly/cY1FjW (http://www.newsinfilm.com/2010/07/09/kevin-bacon-playing-x-men-first-class-villain/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

[TheFuture]

I wouldn't be too excited about Bacon as Sinister. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good actor and I think he would be excellent as some douchey government official giving mutants grief, however I just don't see him as Sinister.

[Nokio]

Hasn't been confirmed but Bacon is a good actor and has played a ton of different characters over the years. I think he fit Sinister more then any main other Xvillian. That;s my opinion. Although with Emma on board he could be Shaw. Now while both Sinister and Shaw seem obvious someone pointed out the Shadow King. Although I think it's a long shot but the Shadow King is the reason that Prof X formed the xmen in the first place.

[JP]

I'm tired of human villains. Bring on Sinister.

[Carlo Comicus]

Maybe is Dr. Kleinmen from Magneto script... :D

[Ceb-Man]

I am anxious to see what role Bacon does play. I hope to see Mr. Sinister and could set up later films with Apocalypse.

[Nightmare]

I love it! Let's finally see Mr Sinister on the big screen! Do him right!!!

[DocHoliday]

I'd prefer Shaw and the Hellfire Club t be the bad guys but anytime you have Kevin Bacon in a film that isn't a bad thing. He'll be very good, as always.

[Spider-Fan83]

what if he's playing someone like, Graydon Creed, leading The Friends Of Humanity...?

[Squidboy]

As soon as I saw his name, I thought Sinister. He probably won't play him, but like Kelsey Grammer getting cast as Beast, it's one of those perfect roles that you never realize until somebody already suggested it.

[The Overlord]

what if he's playing someone like, Graydon Creed, leading The Friends Of Humanity...?

Wouldn't that be redundant, considering William Stryker was the villain in the second film?

[TNC9852002]

He doesn't really seem like the best fit for Sinister, but if they do go down that route with him, it may make for some really interesting dynamic for the character's adaptation..

[Phoenix_Flare]

Wouldn't that be redundant, considering William Stryker was the villain in the second film?

No, why would it be? The X-Men are known for having human and mutant villians, Stryker was the only human villian introduced and he was threat to mutant life...I'm thinking it has to be a human element that causes Xavier and Eric to split and why Eric believes humans must be eradicated in X1...

so I strongly don't believe Bacon is a mutant, but you never know, but I'm thinking we may get a Sentinel storyline (since we haven't yet) and the key players where Trask, Gen. Lang, and Sebastion Shaw, so he could be one of these men....

Giant sized "man" hunting robots probably imprisoning or killing mutants and Xavier still believes mutants and humans can co-exist could cause a rift 'tween Eric and him

[X-Maniac]

I think people are jumping the gun to say he's playing Sinister.

He may not be.

Somehow, a human villain seems the more obvious reason for Magneto and Xavier to part ways, with Xavier believing not all humans are evil and wanting to give them a chance, while Magneto becomes embittered against humanity.

The search for locations resembling South America suggests a nasty Nazi.

Of course, Sinister could figure as a scientist working for the Nazis but he's hardly going to be anything like his comic book version.

[BMM]

I'm not crazy about Bacon, but if the villain comes off as well as McKellen's Magneto and Cox's Stryker, I'll be happy.

[chaseter]

Wtf...Kevin Bacon? Bleck.

[FaT_tONle]

I think people are jumping the gun to say he's playing Sinister.

He may not be.

Somehow, a human villain seems the more obvious reason for Magneto and Xavier to part ways, with Xavier believing not all humans are evil and wanting to give them a chance, while Magneto becomes embittered against humanity.

The search for locations resembling South America suggests a nasty Nazi.

Of course, Sinister could figure as a scientist working for the Nazis but he's hardly going to be anything like his comic book version.

Not really. Plenty of mutants that I am sure have their own agendas that are threats to both humans and mutants alike. Magneto/Xavier need to team against a mutant villain for a change. I like Hellfire club here, but Sinister would be just as good.

[MelbourneGirl]

I hope he is Sinister, this is one of the most exciting casting additions for me.

I also hope Alice Eve's White Queen is from the Hellfire Club and a villain.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I'm a big fan of Kevin Bacon. Not sure I'd want to see him as Mr. Sinister but...who knows. It could be an inspired choice for all we know.

[squeekness]

I'm tired of human villains. Bring on Sinister.As much as I would like to see both Sinister and Bacon, I figrue Keven is much too expensive for this film, yes? I have doubts about this being true.....

[Lightning Strykez!]

As much as I would like to see both Sinister and Bacon, I figrue Keven is much too expensive for this film, yes? I have doubts about this being true.....

Not so sure about that Squeeks. It's not like they have to divide the budget between several heavy hitters all in one cast ya know? In X3, Halle and Hugh took up at least $30million. lol We don't seem to have any real A-listers here so far. These young actors are getting $2-5 million each tops--with my bet on the lower end of $2 million or below.

There might be enough acumen to do a Kevin Bacon.

[squeekness]

I hope you're right, because Kevin is one of my favorite actors. :D

[JP]

Well, all of the young kids cast already probably aren't getting anymore than 500k.

[misjuevos]

should sinister have an english accent or does it vanish after his transformation?

[TheVelvetOnion]

I dont think Kevin is going to be Mr.Sinister... But i do think he will play a villian of same importance. I feel "The High Evolutionary" would make more sense at this point. I originally said that Gary Oldmen would make a brilliant High Evolutionary, he has that creepy nature that would make you think if magneto had someone inspire him it would be someone like Gary Oldemen as High Evolutionary. But then i also though of younger actors to play that role and i still came up with actors who looked similar, Eric Mabius was one and Kevin Bacon was the other....

[TheVelvetOnion]

mind you there are loads of great villians

[Casius--J]

Kevin Bacon eh??? I like this news, not sure about him playing Mr Sinister although I dont necessarily feel that its bad news just unsure at the moment. Either way if he's cast in this movie I'll be happy as he's a fine actor!

[TheVelvetOnion]

You can see why though, although there is alot of famous names in there. There isnt anyone really big now... Think Kevin is brought in only to give that celebratey big budget feel to the movie. Remember we have Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan in the previous.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, that's what I've been saying..

and I think this movie still has room for a couple more recognizable names.

[chamber-music]

As long as his not a human villain I'm happy.

[Retroman]

The X-Men films have never really relied on 'names' in it's casts like for instance Batman has.For the most part they've cast seasoned veteran actors and young up and comers who's salaries don't take up half the budget.

Bacon is a good and versatile actor but i can't really see him as Sinister. But stranger things have happened....

[TheVelvetOnion]

The X-Men did relay on big names, Singer had Patrick Stewart of Star Trek fame, and Sir Ian McKellan of Theator fame...he brought these two in so that people would watch the first x-men movie

In X-Men 2, they brought in Alan Cumming...

In X-Men 3, They brought in Vinne Jones...

In X-Men Origins Wolverine, They brought in Ryan Reynolds

[ChaoticPsylocke]

the high evolutionary will never appear in an xfilm. he's hardly appeared in anything having to do with xmen since the beginning. he is not an xmen villian.

[TNC9852002]

The X-Men did relay on big names, Singer had Patrick Stewart of Star Trek fame, and Sir Ian McKellan of Theator fame...he brought these two in so that people would watch the first x-men movie

In X-Men 2, they brought in Alan Cumming...

In X-Men 3, They brought in Vinne Jones...

In X-Men Origins Wolverine, They brought in Ryan Reynolds
Uh, in America, back 10 years ago, Ian McKellen was a nobody. I think Halle Berry was one of their bigger tickets actually.

In X2, they really didn't bring in anyone that people "knew"--and they didn't have to. Alan Cumming was just some "character actor" at the time that people may have seen in a few movies, but he wasn't a household name or anything...His name didn't add a significant amount of value. Bringing in Brian Cox held more weight.

The same with Vinnie Jones--in fact, X3 added so many additional other names like Bill Duke, Kelsey Grammer, Ellen Page, or whatever...I don't think they really amounted to much overall, but I guess it still created more value to the movie.


Anyway, with Bacon added to the mix, this movie's value just shot up significantly.

[JP]

The X-Men did relay on big names, Singer had Patrick Stewart of Star Trek fame, and Sir Ian McKellan of Theator fame...he brought these two in so that people would watch the first x-men movie

In X-Men 2, they brought in Alan Cumming...

In X-Men 3, They brought in Vinne Jones...

In X-Men Origins Wolverine, They brought in Ryan Reynolds

Patrick Stewart was a tv actor, and I doubt anyone really knew who Ian McKellen was. At least before X1 and LOTR.

If you think people know who Alan Cumming and Vinnie Jones are, you're foolin' yourself.

[BMM]

Yeah. If there are any names the X-Men franchise relied on, they're Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry, and that was post-X-Men.

[Project862006]

i dont think he is sinister

mark strong seems like a better candidate even tho he would be type cast lol

[akfj]

i dont think he is sinister

mark strong seems like a better candidate even tho he would be type cast lol

Mr. Sinistro?

[Doc Ock]

I'm not exactly sure I would like to see Kevin Bacon in X-Men...

[TheVelvetOnion]

I think he looks more like KaZar

[TheVelvetOnion]

Or maybe The Guardian

[The Overlord]

No, why would it be? The X-Men are known for having human and mutant villians, Stryker was the only human villian introduced and he was threat to mutant life...I'm thinking it has to be a human element that causes Xavier and Eric to split and why Eric believes humans must be eradicated in X1...

so I strongly don't believe Bacon is a mutant, but you never know, but I'm thinking we may get a Sentinel storyline (since we haven't yet) and the key players where Trask, Gen. Lang, and Sebastion Shaw, so he could be one of these men....

Giant sized "man" hunting robots probably imprisoning or killing mutants and Xavier still believes mutants and humans can co-exist could cause a rift 'tween Eric and him

In terms of role a villain plays in a hero's universe, how is Stryker and Gradyon Creed different? Creed himself seems redundant, unless he is a side plot, instead of the main villain, making him the main villain in a film like this would make it too similar to X-Men 2, what would Creed bring to the table that we didn't already see with Stryker?

As for the Sentinels, is this movie a prequel or a reboot? Because if its not a reboot, how would they explain why sentinels were severed used by the government to control mutants in the first 3 X-Men movies or explain how the guy who is supposed to have invented the sentinels, is a big black guy who became the secretary of defense and looks nothing like Kevin Bacon?

Also frankly there tons of villains that haven't been used yet, so why use Graydon Creed, who doesn't seem epic enough to carry a whole movie.

[TNC9852002]

is this movie a prequel or a reboot?
:hehe:

[X-Maniac]

:hehe:

Where's that facepalm image when you need it most? :dry:

[chaseter]

This is still a prequel but with recasts.

[Squidboy]

The X-Men did relay on big names, Singer had Patrick Stewart of Star Trek fame, and Sir Ian McKellan of Theator fame...he brought these two in so that people would watch the first x-men movie

In X-Men 2, they brought in Alan Cumming...

In X-Men 3, They brought in Vinne Jones...

In X-Men Origins Wolverine, They brought in Ryan Reynolds

I think Halle was a recent Oscar winner by this time, so she brought some buzz to the project. X2 didn't really do the same, but X3 definitely had some weight with freaking Frasier behind it.

[JP]

Halle was still up and coming. She didn't win her oscar until a year after X-Men.

[The Overlord]

This is still a prequel but with recasts.

I heard conflicting reports, with some people their using this to reboot the franchise in a more sleathy manner. How much are they going to b bound by the other movies, is Cyclops going to be at the school right away because if they are ignoring parts of the other movies, its at least somewhat of a reboot.

And if its a prequel, I don't see how they can work in the Sentinels, as I explained in my post above and the other human villains would be redundant after Stryker.

Where's that facepalm image when you need it most? :dry:

So they are going to stick to the contiuinity of the other movies exactly, with Xavier already having rescued Cyclops from that weapon X lab and Trask being the sectary of defense? There's not going to be scene where Xavier recruits cyclops, because that already happened poorly in the Wolverine movie?

I don't see how they can work in the sentinels considering what went on in the other movies, why didn't the government use the sentinels in the and if Kevin Bacon is going to play Trask, as some would suggest here, what does that mean for the Bill Dukes Trask we see in X-Men 3?

[JP]

Wow, since the Bacon report the movie has jumped up 390% in popularity on IMDB. :eek:

[Mogwai]

what about the shadow king?

[Squidboy]

Halle was still up and coming. She didn't win her oscar until a year after X-Men.

Ah, at least I had the right decade. I guess it makes more sense as to why she started having an attitude about not getting enough lines after the fact, but then getting that Razzie for Catwoman almost brought her back to reality.

[TNC9852002]

Don't even go there, Squidboy.

Storm was shortchanged in the first movie and everyone knew it (but no one wanted to admit it)---People still act as if Halle was the only one who wanted more to do in the movies. Plain and simple: people just don't care about Storm and people don't care about Halle Berry. Her winning that Oscar just put a target on her head.

I mean, would you rather her get paid all that money and did nothing? :o

No, you're right! Screw her for trying to help bring the character to life!

DAMMIT! It's 2002 all over again... :doh:

[/rant]

[JP]

Screw her for screwing the character with her suckage, I always say. ;)

[Octoberist]

Honestly, Halle got a lot of crap from fanboys but it did become the "Hugh and Halle show" by the time X3 arrive. I always think when the actor's wants and needs are play a role in the script, then a conflict of interest happens.

X3 sucked anyway.

[chaseter]

When I heard that Halle demanded more screen time for X3 or she wasn't coming back, my doubts were just piling up more and more. As soon as I heard Jackman was a producer and giving Hood insights into the character, I knew Wolverine was in trouble. When Kirsten Dunst said she would never come back for SM3, I knew they would try their best to get her back. All that means changing the script. Let the director and writers do their thing.

[JP]

Yeah, I know a lot of people talk about Bryan Leaving, but I also don't think it's coincidence that the films started sucking as soon as Hugh became a producer. He produced X3 as well.

[X-Maniac]

I heard conflicting reports, with some people their using this to reboot the franchise in a more sleathy manner. How much are they going to b bound by the other movies, is Cyclops going to be at the school right away because if they are ignoring parts of the other movies, its at least somewhat of a reboot.

And if its a prequel, I don't see how they can work in the Sentinels, as I explained in my post above and the other human villains would be redundant after Stryker.

The Sentinels could have happened in the past. Stryker had an Operation Wideawake (codename for the Sentinels) file on the computer Mystique hacked into in X2. The X-Men fought one in the Danger Room in X3.

Maybe there was a Sentinels incident in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean the general public or wider world would be aware of it. It could have happened on a remote island or the Sentinels' base could have been destroyed before they were all launched.



So they are going to stick to the contiuinity of the other movies exactly, with Xavier already having rescued Cyclops from that weapon X lab and Trask being the sectary of defense? There's not going to be scene where Xavier recruits cyclops, because that already happened poorly in the Wolverine movie?

I don't see how they can work in the sentinels considering what went on in the other movies, why didn't the government use the sentinels in the and if Kevin Bacon is going to play Trask, as some would suggest here, what does that mean for the Bill Dukes Trask we see in X-Men 3?

Some variations still doesn't mean it's a reboot.

And who says Kevin Bacon is Trask? His role hasn't been revealed so it's far too early to start going on about him being different to the X3 trask.

See above for Sentinels reasoning.

[TNC9852002]

Screw her for screwing the character with her suckage, I always say. ;)
Yeah, the writers had nothing to do with it either!

[JP]

Yeah, the writers had nothing to do with it either!

No, not really. I have no problems with her lines. I do have a major problem with her mousy delivery, that turned into b****y delivery in X3.

[bullets]

The X-Men did relay on big names, Singer had Patrick Stewart of Star Trek fame, and Sir Ian McKellan of Theatre fame...he brought these two in so that people would watch the first x-men movie

In X-Men 2, they brought in Alan Cumming...

In X-Men 3, They brought in Vinnie Jones...

In X-Men Origins Wolverine, They brought in Ryan Reynolds


I'm convinced most people in these films were chosen on their ability to perform and not stunt casting.

Kevin Bacon is a good actor , i don't immediately picture him as Mr Sinister but that character hasn't been confirmed.

[Superhero 101]

maybe he is senator kelly or maybe like a younger version

[Phoenix_Flare]

In terms of role a villain plays in a hero's universe, how is Stryker and Gradyon Creed different? Creed himself seems redundant, unless he is a side plot, instead of the main villain, making him the main villain in a film like this would make it too similar to X-Men 2, what would Creed bring to the table that we didn't already see with Stryker?

As for the Sentinels, is this movie a prequel or a reboot? Because if its not a reboot, how would they explain why sentinels were severed used by the government to control mutants in the first 3 X-Men movies or explain how the guy who is supposed to have invented the sentinels, is a big black guy who became the secretary of defense and looks nothing like Kevin Bacon?

Also frankly there tons of villains that haven't been used yet, so why use Graydon Creed, who doesn't seem epic enough to carry a whole movie.


People this is a prequel!!!!!!!! Truth be told i don't think they're taking what was in X3 into consideration...yes their was a character named "Trask" but it was never stated in X3 as being "Bolivar Trask" creator of the Sentinels and the sentinels never played a part in the orginal trilogy...yes we saw a sentinel in the danger room, but it was never stated in the film as being a "sentinel" it could've have been a danger room sentry robot, so once again their a lot of plot holes in X3...I think First Class is taking some ideas from what Bryan intended his X3 to be, and probably useing those ideas for this film....I think people are being to critical about this film and it hasn't even started production yet....geesh!!!

and far as Stryker and Creed are concerned Stryker wanted to kill all mutants because his own son who was a mutant killed his wife, that it fueled his hatred for mutants...Clearly in XMO:W he was working side-by-side w/mutants and samething in X2 w/Lady Deathstrike....Craydon never wanted to kill all mutants on Earth he was ashamed that his parents are mutants, so these 2 men are in no way shape or form alike its that case then they coudl've used him in X2 but he didn't serve the purpose for that story and was not used...so maybe in 1st Class he may or may not be a character...

[Mr. Fixit]

If Kevin's in it I'm sure he'll be awesome whoever he plays.

I didn't even think about it until you guys mentioned it - but a main human villain does make the most the sense to cause the riff between Charles and Magneto. However that doesnt mean we can't have Sinister in the background somewhere pulling the strings.

[Squidboy]

Storm is one of my favorite X-character, so it's nothing to do with hate for the character, and everything to do with Halle's interference causing such a disservice for the character. It blows that she has next to nothing to say in the first two movies, but when she did say something, it meant something.

Even if it has to be "Do you know what happens to a Toad when it's struck by lightning". In X3 she would not shut up and it got to the point where I couldn't stand her voice by the end of it. In the scene where she's rambling on about how they're not a disease and there's nothing to cure, Patrick Stewart looks like it was the fifth take of listening to that line, so the best thing for him to do is say "shut up, they're announcing it now".

The Sentinels could have happened in the past. Stryker had an Operation Wideawake (codename for the Sentinels) file on the computer Mystique hacked into in X2. The X-Men fought one in the Danger Room in X3.

Maybe there was a Sentinels incident in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean the general public or wider world would be aware of it. It could have happened on a remote island or the Sentinels' base could have been destroyed before they were all launched.

If you believe that the X3 game was part of the movieverse continuity, then the Sentinels have appeared before the start of that movie, as a backup plan in case Stryker couldn't exterminate mutantkind with his Dark Cerebro.

[BMM]

A human villain isn't necessary to serve as a wedge. If anything, I think it’s redundant. Magneto has made it clear throughout the trilogy that his experience with the Nazis is enough to drive his mistrust and hatred of humanity (Let them pass that law, and they’ll have you in chains with a number burned into your forehead, I have been marked once… let me assure you, no needle shall ever touch my skin again). As a boy, he was separated from his family and watched as they were herded into a gas chamber to meet their deaths in one of the greatest tragedies in human history and simply because they were different. What could be more powerful than that???

[X-Maniac]

Screw her for screwing the character with her suckage, I always say. ;)

Rather unfair. She had some great moments and she only fought for more characterisation because she was aware that fans wanted it. Storm did need defining a lot more in the films.

Singer probably got the best performance out of Halle (acting-wise), as he did too with McKellen, Jackman and Stewart, even though he and his writers made Storm rather meek.

The films haven't yet got a proper handle on the character at all.

[Phoenix_Flare]

^ I agree...the only thing they got write was letting her loose w/her powers...X3 finally brought out the warrior by letting her fight....


and to the comment about another human villain...the Nazi's serves a purpose to Eric b4 he discovered his mutant power, so it makes sense to have a human villina whether it be a major or minor role to show how his hatred for humanity deepens and grows...I've been saying for weeks what if their was another human villian...who remined Eric of the Nazi's...imprisoning mutants, concentration camps, killing them, etc that would make him go off the deep end and realize humanity will never change...imo it will make a good storyline...to put a past behind you and to see it happen again it'll make Eric/Magento's character more of Anti-hero instead of villian...

[The Overlord]

People this is a prequel!!!!!!!! Truth be told i don't think they're taking what was in X3 into consideration...yes their was a character named "Trask" but it was never stated in X3 as being "Bolivar Trask" creator of the Sentinels and the sentinels never played a part in the orginal trilogy...yes we saw a sentinel in the danger room, but it was never stated in the film as being a "sentinel" it could've have been a danger room sentry robot, so once again their a lot of plot holes in X3...I think First Class is taking some ideas from what Bryan intended his X3 to be, and probably useing those ideas for this film....I think people are being to critical about this film and it hasn't even started production yet....geesh!!!

and far as Stryker and Creed are concerned Stryker wanted to kill all mutants because his own son who was a mutant killed his wife, that it fueled his hatred for mutants...Clearly in XMO:W he was working side-by-side w/mutants and samething in X2 w/Lady Deathstrike....Craydon never wanted to kill all mutants on Earth he was ashamed that his parents are mutants, so these 2 men are in no way shape or form alike its that case then they coudl've used him in X2 but he didn't serve the purpose for that story and was not used...so maybe in 1st Class he may or may not be a character...

So there are two characters named Trask in these movies and they have nothing to do with each other? That's kinda silly.

That just means Gradyon has a slightly different motive for a being a genocidal monster, it still means he has the same role as stryker did.

I really don't see how Creed is an epic enough villain to be the big bad in a movie, it seems like Graydon should be a side plot, not the main villain. Stryker they could justify by making him a powerful government official and having access to his mutant son who could produce a mind controlling serum that allowed him to enslave other mutants.

What kind of climatic battle could you have at the end, if it is just Creed and FOH were the only villains? What does Creed bring to the table that makes him different from Stryker?

The Sentinels could have happened in the past. Stryker had an Operation Wideawake (codename for the Sentinels) file on the computer Mystique hacked into in X2. The X-Men fought one in the Danger Room in X3.

Maybe there was a Sentinels incident in the past. It doesn't necessarily mean the general public or wider world would be aware of it. It could have happened on a remote island or the Sentinels' base could have been destroyed before they were all launched.

Why wouldn't the government have used Sentinels to deal with mutants in the first 3 films, if the prequels would show they had access to them in the past?




Some variations still doesn't mean it's a reboot.

And who says Kevin Bacon is Trask? His role hasn't been revealed so it's far too early to start going on about him being different to the X3 trask.

See above for Sentinels reasoning.

Wasn't the Incredible Hulk a reboot of the first Hulk movie and the only difference is some variations?

I'm not saying he is Trask, if you checked my posts, people suggested him as Trask or someone do with the Sentinels and I pointed out that Bill Dukes was Trask in X-Men 3.


^ I agree...the only thing they got write was letting her loose w/her powers...X3 finally brought out the warrior by letting her fight....


and to the comment about another human villain...the Nazi's serves a purpose to Eric b4 he discovered his mutant power, so it makes sense to have a human villina whether it be a major or minor role to show how his hatred for humanity deepens and grows...I've been saying for weeks what if their was another human villian...who remined Eric of the Nazi's...imprisoning mutants, concentration camps, killing them, etc that would make him go off the deep end and realize humanity will never change...imo it will make a good storyline...to put a past behind you and to see it happen again it'll make Eric/Magento's character more of Anti-hero instead of villian...

And how would Graydon creed provide a physical threat to the X-Men and Magneto? what would the climax be? What would the final battle be? What kind of fight scenes would there be?

Plus sin't first class the start of a series of prequels, so shouldn't someone like Graydon creed show up later, because shouldn't the split happen over a series of films instead of trying to fit in one?

[BMM]

and to the comment about another human villain...the Nazi's serves a purpose to Eric b4 he discovered his mutant power, so it makes sense to have a human villina whether it be a major or minor role to show how his hatred for humanity deepens and grows...I've been saying for weeks what if their was another human villian...who remined Eric of the Nazi's...imprisoning mutants, concentration camps, killing them, etc that would make him go off the deep end and realize humanity will never change...imo it will make a good storyline...to put a past behind you and to see it happen again it'll make Eric/Magento's character more of Anti-hero instead of villian...

As a minor villain, perhaps. I still think it's redundant, though. I don't think Magneto ever puts the Holocaust behind him, and, if this movie is to take place in America during the 1960s, there are plenty of reasons to remind him just how intolerant people are of those who are different.

Why wouldn't the government have used Sentinels to deal with mutants in the first 3 films, if the prequels would show they had access to them in the past?

Perhaps the Government doesn't have access to them or perhaps something went wrong that makes the Government wary of deploying such weapons. After all, In the books, the sentinels turn on humans quite frequently.

[X-Maniac]

Why wouldn't the government have used Sentinels to deal with mutants in the first 3 films, if the prequels would show they had access to them in the past?

You have very limited thinking on this.

Maybe it was a secret government project. Maybe it was not part of the government at all.

The president in X2 seemed unaware of what Stryker was up to at Alkali Lake. I doubt a president would condone what Stryker was doing to his son and Xavier, let alone Stryker's plans to wipe out all the world's mutants. That's because a lot of Stryker's activities were outside the government's knowledge.

However, if the government WAS involved in approving Sentinels, it could be that the first attempt went terribly wrong, leading to the project being shelved or aborted and filed away in secret. So it wouldn't necessarily be seen as an available, viable, workable option in future. That's why atomic bombs aren't being used in modern warfare.

It could also be that the Sentinels were an independent project completely outside the government, much like the mutant cure was in X3 (the government only found out when Mystique was captured).

There have many different Sentinel programs in the comics, not all of them linked to the government.

[TNC9852002]

Rather unfair. She had some great moments and she only fought for more characterisation because she was aware that fans wanted it. Storm did need defining a lot more in the films.

Singer probably got the best performance out of Halle (acting-wise), as he did too with McKellen, Jackman and Stewart, even though he and his writers made Storm rather meek.

The films haven't yet got a proper handle on the character at all.
This is true, but it's also true for pretty much all of the other characters that didn't directly tie into the main storylines of each film. I've just always been upset at how people were so quick to jump at Halle for speaking out when I felt she was totally justified. I took it as her trying to take her character more seriously and not just a background piece. She did have more to do in the second movie and they gave her a little bit of development with Nightcrawler, but it didn't really carry over much. It would've been great if there was a goodbye scene with him and her.

[JP]

I'm sure there would have been a scene providing he left.
D:

[TNC9852002]

I guess they just wanted to get to the last shot of Alkali Lake while it was still fresh in everyone's mind... :p

[JP]

My point is, he never left. As in, he should have been in X3.
D:

[jaymes_e06]

Yep. I'm with this guy^

[TNC9852002]

They traded Nightcrawler for Shadowcat and Beast.. :p

[chamber-music]

Kevin Bacon looks more like Donald Pierce than say Mr Sinister to me.

[TNC9852002]

Any other suggestions?

[Squidboy]

They traded Nightcrawler for Shadowcat and Beast.. :p

It's not exactly a fair trade, but you can't argue with the results. I would've gladly traded Angel, Quill, 'Psylocke', Arclight, and Warren Worthington Sr. for Nightcrawler, though. Knocking out all of those characters could have given Kurt some more story potential (both him and Rogue could contemplate the cure), plus Dr. Kavita Rao could've been developed more, as she was in the comics.

[Deaths Head II]

Bacon is an interesting choice for Sinister, but I don't really think that's who we'll be getting. It would be awesome though.

[TNC9852002]

It's not exactly a fair trade, but you can't argue with the results. I would've gladly traded Angel, Quill, 'Psylocke', Arclight, and Warren Worthington Sr. for Nightcrawler, though. Knocking out all of those characters could have given Kurt some more story potential (both him and Rogue could contemplate the cure), plus Dr. Kavita Rao could've been developed more, as she was in the comics.
Yeah, I think they actually dropped Nightcrawler as soon as they decided to bring Beast in. For some reason, they got the idea that 2 blue mutants were enough.. :p

[Squidboy]

Yeah, I think they actually dropped Nightcrawler as soon as they decided to bring Beast in. For some reason, they got the idea that 2 blue mutants were enough.. :p

I'm gonna believe them when they said it was due to the high cost of makeup coupled with his presence being minimal in the actual script. Having three blue mutants probably would be overkill, so they just dropped the one that wasn't entirely crucial to the plot.


As for Kevin Bacon, I'm pulling for Sinister, though I could definitely see him as a younger Senator Kelly.

[FaT_tONle]

Enough with the continuity... I don't want to see Stryker... or Kelly... only to screw them up with more inconsistencies. I just want to see this film stand on it's own, and not be handcuffed by stupid plot threads that ended up going nowhere in the OT.

[JP]

How could Bacon play a YOUNGER Senator Kelly? How young do you think Bacon is? And how old do you think Bruce Davidson was in X1?

[Electrix]

Kevin Bacon is 52. I doubt he'll be playing a young anyone.

[Ipodman]

Would be sick if Mister Sinister was a main villain in this...

Although its still how the movie is made and how the character is treated

Hope more mutant powers and no more car chase scenes like in Origins

[JP]

Bacon is official!

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021799.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Also, notice it says "written by Jane Golman". I guess she didn't just rewrite Moss' script. She completely wrote her own. I'm not surprised by that. Vaughn himself said "a good script should never take a long time to write". He and Goldman wrote Kick-Ass in 4 weeks.

[X-Maniac]

Bacon is official!

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021799.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Also, notice it says "written by Jane Golman". I guess she didn't just rewrite Moss' script. She completely wrote her own. I'm not surprised by that. Vaughn himself said "a good script should never take a long time to write". He and Goldman wrote Kick-Ass in 4 weeks.

I think Moss had to write something tangible for the project to be greenlit. Under Singer's direction, he thrashed out something, probably no more than a rough draft or outline.

I hope Jane Goldman does read some of the relevant comic books and watch the previous films closely, to immerse herself in the world so it respects the mythos.

[JP]

I think Moss had to write something tangible for the project to be greenlit. Under Singer's direction, he thrashed out something, probably no more than a rough draft or outline.

I hope Jane Goldman does read some of the relevant comic books and watch the previous films closely, to immerse herself in the world so it respects the mythos.
Yeah, I agree.

If they want to keep Bacon's role under wraps then I really don't think he's playing just another human villain. I think he's definitely playing someone big.

[Squidboy]

How could Bacon play a YOUNGER Senator Kelly? How young do you think Bacon is? And how old do you think Bruce Davidson was in X1?

To put it in relative terms of the X-Men movies, Bruce Davison (Kelly) and Brian Cox (Stryker) were born only a few months apart, while Bacon is four years older than Danny Huston (Origins Stryker). If you can believe that Huston is a younger Stryker, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that Bacon could be a younger Kelly (despite Stryker's line about being in Vietnam while Kelly was still a kid).

Bacon hasn't really aged gracefully, though, and I doubt senator Kelly is 'the greatest threat to mutantkind that the world has ever known', but I'm was just remarking upon the fact that he could pass as a younger version of Kelly. With the villain lined up now, I hope to see more of the cast filled up - as far as I know, we still don't have a Jean, Scott, or Storm (assuming she's in it).

[terry78]

I'm trying to think who else the X-Kids have faced in the books that both Xavier and Magneto have been at odds with.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Kevin Bacon is awesome

he'll de great as a villain

was watching Death Sentence on FX the other day, and he is definately a badass :word:

will play an awesome villain regardless of who it will be

but i hope it's Sinister

[GoldGoblin]

What powers does Sinister have?

[terry78]

What powers does Sinister have?

When Claremont created him, he basically gave him what I call "Claremont Syndrome." The question is, what DON'T he have?

[Paroxysm]

In this special Secret Identity, we're offering a few of the "X-Men" villains we think Bacon is capable of playing in "First Class."

Cameron Hodge: A cofounder of the original X-Factor squad, Cameron Hodge was secretly the head of anti-mutant organization The Right, attempting to break down human-mutant relations with a powerful inside position. Eventually, his head was severed by Archangel and reattached to a cybernetic body as he continued his anti-mutant campaign. A meaty role with plenty of room for the over-the-top flourishes Bacon is known for, Hodge would be a compelling nemesis to throw at the first class of Charles Xavier's mutants.

Graydon Creed: Secretly the offspring of mutants Mystique and Victor "Sabretooth" Creed, Graydon Creed was the leader of Friends of Humanity, an anti-mutant terrorist group committing hate crimes against mutants and their human sympathizers. A less physically dramatic role than Hodge, Creed poses an ideological threat that could realistically divide Charles and Magneto on their paths towards achieving large scale mutant acceptance.

Mister Sinister: Fans have long pined for the arrival of Mister Sinister on the big screen. The pale skinned Sinister wields telepathic and telekinetic powers, molecular manipulation and an unhealthy obsession with the Summers brothers, Cyclops in particular. Sinister would present Xavier, Magneto and the rest of the young mutants with a physically and intellectually powerful opponent. Like Hodge and Creed, it's a grand role that Bacon could have limitless fun with.

Steven Lang: Much like Hodge and Creed, Steven Lang is an outspoken opponent of mutant rights, going so far as to come up with a dangerous, tangible solution: the creation of Master Mold and the Sentinels. Bacon would work just fine as Lang, but the real upside of him inhabiting this role would be the arrival of Sentinels in an "X-Men" movie, something we haven't seen outside of their brief appearance in a Danger Room sequence in "The Last Stand." I think we can all agree that a major Sentinel presence is long overdue.

Trevor Fitzroy: Future-born criminal Trevor Fitzroy is a time terrorist, traveling back to the X-Men's present much to the chagrin of Bishop. Not only is Bacon a perfect fit for the arrogant Fitzroy, the character's inclusion would serve to reset the Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner era of "X-Men" films much in the same way that J.J. Abrams recently rebooted the "Star Trek" franchise. It's not the craziest idea in the world — after all, there are rumors that future shapeshifter Willow is somehow a part of "First Class," so don't be surprised if Fox takes a cue from Paramount in using Bacon as Fitzroy to reboot the "X-Men" property.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/07/12/secret-identity-kevin-bacon-x-men-first-class/

I hope it's Mister Sinister.

[The Overlord]

When Claremont created him, he basically gave him what I call "Claremont Syndrome." The question is, what DON'T he have?

I think he has regen, psychic powers, laser beams that come out of his hands and he is a brilliant geneticist, I think that is the extent of his abilities.

Speaking of powers, how would Graydon Creed pose a physical threat to the X-Men, what kind of final battle could they have with him?

Also how would they make Hodge a physical threat? All that stuff he did in the comics, selling his soul to demon or joining with an alien being, wouldn't work in a movie.

[Mr. Fixit]

don't be surprised if Fox takes a cue from Paramount in using Bacon as Fitzroy to reboot the "X-Men" property.

I may be wrong but I don't think they'll go that route just yet. Already they seem to be sticking with continuity in this film (although details are fuzzy). Plus Wolverine 2 is due out as well and that's going to have Hugh Jackman in it. And there has been some talks here and there about an X4. So it doesn't really look like a reboot is in the works for a while for the Xmen.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I for one am pleased with the addition of Kevin Bacon. It's an inspired choice in itself and adds serious pedigree to this cast of youngins.

[TheFuture]

I would prefer if he got the role of Lang or Hodge, however I wouldn't mind if he played Fitzroy for the reasons mentioned above. I think these type of characters are perfect for Bacon, we know he can play that hateful arrogant ******* role to perfection. I just don't see him as Sinister.

[BMM]

The author of that article is confused. Lang doesn't create Master Mold and the sentinels, Trask does. As for Fitzroy, a character I haven't even thought about since the 1990s, it's not going to happen.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really hope its Sinister, simply because if he is its means its down to Cyclops to save the day as he was the only one who could hurt him, at least thats how it was in the cartoon.

[TNC9852002]

Sinister has always had it out for the Summers/Greys

[The Overlord]

The author of that article is confused. Lang doesn't create Master Mold and the sentinels, Trask does. As for Fitzroy, a character I haven't even thought about since the 1990s, it's not going to happen.

But Trask is Bill Dukes in the X-Men movie universe, not Kevin Bacon, so unless they can explain how Trask went from Kevin Bacon to Bill Dukes over the course of the movies, it seems like Lang would have to be the one who invents the sentinels.

[BMM]

Sinister has always had it out for the Summers/Greys

Perhaps this is why Havok is involved.

But Trask is Bill Dukes in the X-Men movie universe, not Kevin Bacon, so unless they can explain how Trask went from Kevin Bacon to Bill Dukes over the course of the movies, it seems like Lang would have to be the one who invents the sentinels.

There's enough room for two men with the name Trask in the X-Men universe. At least, that's what I think they would do, as I doubt the general audience payed much attention to Dukes in The Last Stand.

[misjuevos]

i would like to see sinister's origin when he makes his deal with apocalypse.
the picture is just to show the era, sure oldman would be a good sinister, but i just hope apocalypse is part of the origin.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vkLd5JxHDAI/StiORFrrkUI/AAAAAAAAAX8/gwC6cUqLvos/s320/dracula_gary_oldman.jpg

[squeekness]

LOL, I'd love to see Oldman join just because he's another one of my faves. :p

[Project862006]

according to CBM Kevin Bacon will play Sebastian Shaw aka The Leader Of The Hellfire Clubhttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6540/shaw.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_kF0j7a1btHY/RwsPalD6zEI/AAAAAAAAAE0/Yx1anDBanNI/S660/kevin+bacon.bmphttp://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=20150

[JP]

http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2010/07/kevin-bacon-playing-sebastian-shaw-in-x.html

Forces of Geek, the folks that told us Frost would be in the film, are saying Bacon is Shaw. So, I guess Emma really will be The White Queen? :awesome:

[BMM]

Awesome. I wonder what they'll be up to.

[FaT_tONle]

Sick... looks like they will be going with the Phoenix/ mind blocking thingy magig (most likely at least)... almost a redo of X-3. Now just bring back Cyke in X-4 and I just might consider coming back to these movies.

[Nightmare]

Shaw? Over mr sinister? Ugh.

[FaT_tONle]

It's sort of the movie Singer always envisioned for X-3... I can see it working as long as his team is calling the shots and not Rothman.

[BMM]

I think that's debatable. No one in X2 or The Last Stand seems to know a thing about Jean, so either everyone's mind is erased or Phoenix is very under wraps.

[FaT_tONle]

You think Scott is going to openly talk about it with everyone on the team? "Hey my girl friend is a nut... just reminding everyone in case she blows a fuse one day..." Why would they discuss Jean's past with everyone when they apparently had the Pheonix contained in that time?

[JP]

I kinda hope FaT_tONle is on to something... but, if he is Shaw, and we see the HEllfire club, that doesn't necessarily mean Phoenix is involved.

[FaT_tONle]

I know we have had our disagreements, but I've been somewhat consistent... prequels or spinoffs that improve on the established characters and stories of the trilogy or a complete redo. Either way I am good, as long as it is good. Almost prefer they leave out Sinister, Sentinels, and other more expensive **** for a later time.

[BMM]

You think Scott is going to openly talk about it with everyone on the team? "Hey my girl friend is a nut... just reminding everyone in case she blows a fuse one day..." Why would they discuss Jean's past with everyone when they apparently had the Pheonix contained in that time?

No. I would expect him to talk about it with Jean, in private, like he does in X2, except he appears to have no idea what is wrong with her and neither does she. Although interesting, I'm not sure I really want to see both Cyclops and Professor Xavier responsible for Jean's undoing.

[JP]

It would be interesting if Jean did have one big episode which forced Xavier to put the blocks in in the first place. Perhaps Jean has no recollection of said event. Perhaps Cyclops is the only other person besides Xavier who knew about it. Or, perhaps even Xavier was forced to wipe the collective minds of Jean and Scott.

[jaymes_e06]

I like that JP I think that would show the more flawed side of Prof. X that I love so much to see.

[gap5ewl]

http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2010/07/kevin-bacon-playing-sebastian-shaw-in-x.html

Forces of Geek, the folks that told us Frost would be in the film, are saying Bacon is Shaw. So, I guess Emma really will be The White Queen? :awesome:

Wow that's awesome. Hellfire Club would work beautifully in the film. In the Ultimate Universe I believe they help finance Xavier's school. Would be interesting to see this played in the film.

[TNC9852002]

I wouldn't read so much into where Shaw may factor into the film and how much influence he'll have on the development of the later Phoenix storyline.

It just doesn't seem like they would go anywhere near that right now,...at least not in the first film.

[FaT_tONle]

I wouldn't read so much into where Shaw may factor into the film and how much influence he'll have on the development of the later Phoenix storyline.

It just doesn't seem like they would go anywhere near that right now,...at least not in the first film.

If you want to call it a storyline... more like a five minute plot device that happened to adapt a major arc in the mythos. That's the very thing that needs to be fleshed out.

[TNC9852002]

I never said that it needed to be fleshed out. I mean, we learned everything we really needed to know already in the first X-Men movies.

I'm just saying, we don't have to assume that they'll go down that route in this film.

[Project862006]

i like KB and all but would'nt Shaw be better suited played by like say a Russel Crowe or even a Jason Issac

[TNC9852002]

Well, those guys are like totally typecast

[marvelrobbins]

I don't think they will touch Phoenix.To do so would almost certainly mean
condicting the Last Stand since they went In different direction that what
Bryan Singer was setting up in X-Men and X2.Regardless we may see some of the Ideas Singer had for X3 worked Into First Class.Bacon as Shaw almost certianly means they are ignoring EMma frost as mutant In Wolverine.Emma In
First Class will probally be the White Queen version.I also wonder If maybe Mystique starts out In Hellfire club.It will be Intresting to see If Harry Leland
and Donald Pierce may show up.Although a bit less likely for Pierce.

The X-Men vs Hellfire club provides great opportunity and you don't need to
Involve Phoenix for this.And It will be Intresting to find out what the plot Is
that Shaw and Hellfire club are up to that causes threat to entire world.

[Squidboy]

I could imagine the Hellfire Club being like Deacon Frost's vampire society from the first Blade movie; Operating in the shadows to try and find a god made flesh that they can try to control. It'd beat the hell out of a tea party dressed up in 18th century garb.

[X-Maniac]

I must admit i can't see Bacon as Shaw. I imagined someone more like Jason Isaacs in that role.

[terry78]

I must admit i can't see Bacon as Shaw. I imagined someone more like Jason Isaacs in that role.

But Sinister you could see him as? Basically all of the X-Men villains that don't have the street thug mentality, we all pretty much see as being played by Brit thespians.

[chamber-music]

I think Moss had to write something tangible for the project to be greenlit. Under Singer's direction, he thrashed out something, probably no more than a rough draft or outline.

I hope Jane Goldman does read some of the relevant comic books and watch the previous films closely, to immerse herself in the world so it respects the mythos.

Well according to Mark Millar Jane Goldman and her husband Jonathan Ross.

They Have got Detective 27, Action Comics number 1 and complete runs of pretty much anything you can think of. They have got the best collection of original comic-book art in the country and possibly even the world

[JP]

Jonathan Ross is a MAJOR comic geek. He goes to Comic Con every year. I assume Jane has been subjected because of that.

[misjuevos]

well if the hellfire club is in fc then it makes more sense to have emma frost in the movie. also this is the x-men's first enemy as a team so they should fight someone not as tough as magneto and the brotherhood. anyway emma frost is a poor mans jean grey.

[Lightning Strykez!]

http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2010/07/kevin-bacon-playing-sebastian-shaw-in-x.html

Forces of Geek, the folks that told us Frost would be in the film, are saying Bacon is Shaw. So, I guess Emma really will be The White Queen? :awesome:

Honestly? I am liking this better than the Sinister concept. :up:

[david icke]

Re Jonathan Ross' comic collection...in the BBC doc he did on Steve Ditko, there is a scene where you see him going through his collection at home, he basically has a room that is like a comic book shop.

as for Bacon...I can see him playing MrSinister no problem, he has the right kind of face and can do the creepy grin, with the right make-up he could look amazingly scary. they need to tone down that armour though so he can walk through doors.

[louiebling$]

*subscribes*

[TheFuture]

Damn, was really hoping Bacon would play a human leading the bigoted hatred against mutants.

[chaseter]

Shaw is a pretty lame villain...meh. I am sure his Hellfire Club minions will be cooler than Shaw.

[misjuevos]

didnt like bacon as sinister, but wanted to see sinister. that way they would have to show apocalypse making him. bacon is too recognizable he will just pull me out of the movie, it will be "hey it's kevin bacon".

[chamber-music]

Re Jonathan Ross' comic collection...in the BBC doc he did on Steve Ditko, there is a scene where you see him going through his collection at home, he basically has a room that is like a comic book shop.

as for Bacon...I can see him playing MrSinister no problem, he has the right kind of face and can do the creepy grin, with the right make-up he could look amazingly scary. they need to tone down that armour though so he can walk through doors.

I saw Ross comic room in the paper when he invited eminem round his house to give him some early Avengers comics. Ross Turf comic he wrote is rather good as well.

[marvelrobbins]

My Hope IS the filmmakers looked at X-Men Children of the atom miniseries and The Hellfire Club's many appearances In the comics and not the Ultimate version of the
Hellfire club.

[terry78]

didnt like bacon as sinister, but wanted to see sinister. that way they would have to show apocalypse making him. bacon is too recognizable he will just pull me out of the movie, it will be "hey it's kevin bacon".

Most villains ARE recognizable actors.

[Lobo]

And it appears he is playing Sebatsion Shaw not Mr Sinister. I think Shaw and the HellfireClub is actually a great choice. I wa sactually hoping for them as villains in X4, but this is just as good.

[topdog1]

I don't think they will touch Phoenix.To do so would almost certainly mean
condicting the Last Stand since they went In different direction that what
Bryan Singer was setting up in X-Men and X2.Regardless we may see some of the Ideas Singer had for X3 worked Into First Class.Bacon as Shaw almost certianly means they are ignoring EMma frost as mutant In Wolverine.Emma In
First Class will probally be the White Queen version.I also wonder If maybe Mystique starts out In Hellfire club.It will be Intresting to see If Harry Leland
and Donald Pierce may show up.Although a bit less likely for Pierce.

The X-Men vs Hellfire club provides great opportunity and you don't need to
Involve Phoenix for this.And It will be Intresting to find out what the plot Is
that Shaw and Hellfire club are up to that causes threat to entire world.

I think it fits perfectly if they want to go that route.

If true, this movie could be EPIC. They could tie it to the trilogy and have Shaw and young Jason Stryker corrupt young Jean Grey and we see her unleash her Phoenix power???? The movie ends with Xavier putting in the mental blocks we see in X3!

[WillardNation]

*subscribes*

[DocHoliday]

I was hoping that Shaw and HC would be in the film. Chess has been such an important element of Xavier/Magneto's relationship in the previous films that it just makes sense that they'd be the villains in this film that focuses on Xavier/Magneto more.

[Obsidian Idea]

Hmm...Hellfire Club...I hope if they are the baddies for X:FC, I'd like to see them reimagined in a corporate-like style...

I can see it now...a young, inexperienced Jean Grey facing an experienced White Queen...Emma pushes it too far and we get a glimpse of Phoenix...it would nod to the comic book battle and show why the Professor had to repress Jean's powers.

[jaymes_e06]

^All what you just stated was win!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hmm...Hellfire Club...I hope if they are the baddies for X:FC, I'd like to see them reimagined in a corporate-like style...

I can see it now...a young, inexperienced Jean Grey facing an experienced White Queen...Emma pushes it too far and we get a glimpse of Phoenix...it would nod to the comic book battle and show why the Professor had to repress Jean's powers.

This would be great, I wouldnt mind a scene like this at all!

[Squidboy]

A scene like that would work - maybe have Jean's eyes get all dark like they were in X3, and have the aura like in X2, just to keep all parties happy.

[TNC9852002]

Ehh...I'm like, through with the whole Phoenix thing.

[LuisTX85]

I think Bacon will do great IF indeed Shaw!.

[Rac]

I must admit i can't see Bacon as Shaw. I imagined someone more like Jason Isaacs in that role.
I was just going to say the same.

[Sawyer]

Come on guys........ it's pretty obvious who Bacon is playing.








He's clearly reprising his role of Ren McCormack from Footloose! :awesome::up:

[psyonic]

what about the shadow king?

Yeah! What about The Shadow King? In the comics he was the first evil mutant Xavier encounters, thus forming the X-Men.

[DarkSovereignty]

Wasn't Shadow King named Amahl Farouk, as in he was he's Egyptian? idk, but kevin bacon as an Egyptian would be some pretty serious race bending lol.

[psyonic]

Wasn't Shadow King named Amahl Farouk, as in he was he's Egyptian? idk, but kevin bacon as an Egyptian would be some pretty serious race bending lol.

Amahl Farouk was just a host body he was possessing when Xavier first encountered him.

[The Wizard]

It's been confirmed Kevin Bacon is playing Sebastian Shaw. I wonder what Shaw's role in the film will be. Thoughts?

[ChaoticPsylocke]

where?

[psyonic]

It's been confirmed Kevin Bacon is playing Sebastian Shaw. I wonder what Shaw's role in the film will be. Thoughts?

When was this confirmed?

[Nightmare]

Ugh

[TNC9852002]

Ugh as in...you wanted Sinister instead?

[DarkSovereignty]

It's been confirmed Kevin Bacon is playing Sebastian Shaw. I wonder what Shaw's role in the film will be. Thoughts?

say what now? did i lapse into a coma and wake up a month from whenever i think it is right now? cuz i tend to do that

[jaymes_e06]

^Umm... Really?

[Storm22]

I haven't seen any confirmation yet.

[JP]

No, only one site is reporting this rumor.

[The Wizard]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but check it out:

http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2010/07/kevin-bacon-playing-sebastian-shaw-in-x.html

[FaT_tONle]

Reported a month back ^^^. It's all good. Never hurts to post it again.

[DarkSovereignty]

^Umm... Really?

nah, just trying to be funny, looking back it was just kind of obnoxious though lol

so yeah, bacon as shaw, sounds good, should be good.

[Squidboy]

I was just going to say the same.

That makes three of us. I think it was in the Patriot that I saw that connection. Period pieces will do that for imaginary casting of comic book characters.

[JLR]

Maybe Bacon is playing Legion?

[Michellemabelle]

He'd be kind of old if he were the son of James McAvoy's Xavier...

[Squidboy]

He'd be kind of old if he were the son of James McAvoy's Xavier...

So you're saying Cable? Smart thinking :p

[JP]

What if Kevin Bacon is...




Cable.

[psyonic]

What if Kevin Bacon is...




Cable.

Although he was pretty kick ass in Death Sentence, I don't see him as Cable. With Jean and Scott both dead in X3, I don't see how Cable is possible.

[The Original Bamfer]

Pretty sure JP's joking...

I never expected Kevin Bacon to be in an X-Men film, but he's a good actor, so I'm definitely not displeased.

[Squidboy]

Although he was pretty kick ass in Death Sentence, I don't see him as Cable. With Jean and Scott both dead in X3, I don't see how Cable is possible.

Cable is one of the film alleged properties that Marvel (presumably through Fox) wants to pursue. I could see it working out if it wasn't a solo movie, considering we've had 4 X-Men movies and only know Wolverine's story so far, so it's not too far-fetched.

[JLR]

He'd be kind of old if he were the son of James McAvoy's Xavier...

Yes... He would be too old. However, I was assuming he would be the grown son of Professor Xavier (Patrick Stewart), which would be revealed in some plot twist. You know, a time travel plot a la JJ Abrams "Star Trek" that has been referenced in interviews by Singer and Vaughn. While they don't need to do an Age of the Apocalypse movie, they can certainly have a similar set-up and foundation perhaps with time travel while still keeping continuity with the original films.

Maybe time travel may seem too "sci-fi," even for this movie franchise and even though it's in the comics, but you never know. Once again, Singer and Vaughn have mentioned "Star Trek" so it's just some food for thought.

[Megaton Sun]

Am I the only one that thinks Bacon is playing a younger Sen. Kelly?

[JP]

I don't see how that's physically possible. Not only does he look nothing like Bruce Davidson, but he looks older than Senator Kelly looked in X1.
:/

[akfj]

Am I the only one that thinks Bacon is playing a younger Sen. Kelly?

When you mean a younger Senator Kelly, do you mean a year younger? Because Bruce Davison was 53 in the first X-Men film and Kevin Bacon is currently 52.

[Crockett]

Since Emma is in this movie then Hellfire Club must be too, which then means Bacon is playing Shaw.

[Megaton Sun]

I don't see how that's physically possible. Not only does he look nothing like Bruce Davidson, but he looks older than Senator Kelly looked in X1.
:/they look kinda alike.

When you mean a younger Senator Kelly, do you mean a year younger? Because Bruce Davison was 53 in the first X-Men film and Kevin Bacon is currently 52.oh i didnt realize Bacon was that old. But he still looks younger

Since Emma is in this movie then Hellfire Club must be too, which then means Bacon is playing Shaw.Bacon seems to small and frail to play Shaw. But at least Shaw is a better possibility than Sinister.

[TNC9852002]

Since Emma is in this movie then Hellfire Club must be too, which then means Bacon is playing Shaw.
Whoa...It's a guess, but you're making some strong assumptions.

[Squidboy]

Am I the only one that thinks Bacon is playing a younger Sen. Kelly?

I could see the comparison.. I think I made it a few pages back as well, but the age factor is something that some people won't let go. I can suspend disbelief to have Bacon play a younger Kelly (who was supposed to be several decades younger than Stryker in X2, yet Cox and Davison are only a few months apart), but I'm really hoping he's playing Sinister now that this thread has roped me into that belief. Emma was in Wolverine, but that didn't mean the Hellfire Club was behind Weapon X, so we don't need to jump to any conclusions based on character inclusion.

[Dog Brother #1]

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but if Bacon resembles anybody from the Hellfire Club, it's Pierce, not Shaw. In fact he's a dead ringer for him.
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt270/drewz1983/kevin_bacon_goofy_haircut_six_degrees.jpg
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt270/drewz1983/donald-pierce.jpg

[Specter313]

Since Emma is in this movie then Hellfire Club must be too, which then means Bacon is playing Shaw.

Jumping to conclusions much? They could completely bypass the HC and just have Emma running her Massachusetts Academy as a foil for Xaviers.

[JustABill]

I'd rather he play Shaw to be honest. I can't see him as Sinister at all.

[Megaton Sun]

Bacon is a deadringer for Kelly. They got the same nose!
http://a.imageshack.us/img697/4323/baconkelly.jpg

[JustABill]

Why did you post a picture of Roger?

[TNC9852002]

Bacon can't play a younger Senator Kelly, it doesn't make sense. I mean, back in X1, Bruce Davidson was over 53 years old...and Kevin is 52 right now..

The math doesn't work out at all unless there's a good portion of the movie taking place in the late nineties...

[Project862006]

he does look like pierce

Jason Issac looks more like shaw :yay:not to mention his evil english accent lol

http://www.portraitplanet.com/review/tavi.jpg
http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/14267/Sebastian%20Shaw.jpg

[Crockett]

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but I really do want to see Shaw in the movie. Although Bacon is not the top actor in mind to portray him.

[Project862006]

been thinking does'nt bacon look more like David Moreau
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/genegeer2.jpg

[TNC9852002]

Maybe he plays...XAVIER'S FATHER?

[ken smith]

Kevin Bacon is either playing Shadow King Or Mr Sinister.

[Michellemabelle]

I could see him as Shaw, if just for that he sort of looks like Shinobi.

[ken smith]

But Shaw is just about the phoenix storyline, i don't think they would want to go that route again.

[The Original Bamfer]

William Stryker had nothing to do with Weapon X in the comics, yet...

[X-Maniac]

But Shaw is just about the phoenix storyline, i don't think they would want to go that route again.


Shaw is about much more than the Phoenix.

Read the comics, or visit Wikipedia at least.

[ken smith]

What else is he about, i would be very happy if he comes because i like his power and that alone makes him one of the dealiest x-men adversary.

[ken smith]

The Original Bamfer, you make a good point.

[X-Maniac]

What else is he about, i would be very happy if he comes because i like his power and that alone makes him one of the dealiest x-men adversary.

Well, he was behind one set of Sentinels, for a start.

Read the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Shaw_(comics)

[ken smith]

I know, aside from the sentinels; what else. Wasn't there something posted a long time ago about scenes being similar to Inception. It said Professor X was supposed to be fighting in the Astral plane, doesn't that sound like the Shadow King.

[X-Maniac]

I know, aside from the sentinels; what else. Wasn't there something posted a long time ago about scenes being similar to Inception. It said Professor X was supposed to be fighting in the Astral plane, doesn't that sound like the Shadow King.

It does sound like Shadow King. But there were also astral planes scenes with Shaw during the Phoenix Saga which, if i recall, were down to Emma Frost. Frost also created a device allowing Mastermind to project illusions into Jean's mind, making her feel she was time travelling back to the life of an ancestor.

[ken smith]

As you see its allow about the phoenix, why should emma be working for shaw, isn't emma more powerful than shaw

[X-Maniac]

As you see its allow about the phoenix, why should emma be working for shaw, isn't emma more powerful than shaw

Well, it was about the Phoenix where the astral plane and mental illusions were concerned. But Frost's power to do all that can exist without the Phoenix being a reason.

As for the Frost/Shaw thing, he has always been leader of the Hellfire Club.

It's no use trying to work out the entire plot, as we have nothing to go on apart from mention of a psychic battle, which could instead involve Xavier and Frost and the astral versions of the other mutants. It doesn't mean Phoenix is in there too.

[ken smith]

ok, i didn't know about that. Why i believe Shadow king will be the villain is because he was the first evil mutant Professor X fought and he was the one who crippled Professor X. I believe the Shaw rumor came in because Emma Frost is going to be in the movie. And the description of X-men First Class Professor X and Magneto fighting the greatest threat. Shadow King fits that role

[TNC9852002]

I wouldn't worry about that since the continuity of the films are already disjointed even without influence from the comics themselves...

Basically, if Xavier becomes crippled, if won't be in this first movie most likely and it won't be by the Shadow King either..

[marvelrobbins]

The Shadow King didn't cripple Xavier that was the alien known as Lurcifer.Xavier will probally be crippled at the end of first class.

[WeaponXProject]

I'm pretty baffled at the role of Bacon in this being anything but a politician. Perhaps another version of a Senator Kelly only I would think of him as military personnel. Secretary of Defense maybe.

I'm more concerned as to what Vaughn meant by the likeness between Star Trek and this. Would Bacon be playing a role like Cable, hopefully not.

BTW I do love Cable but don't want Bacon to play him. I also read that Marvel/Disney optioned Cable along with Black Panther if I'm not mistaken so that would mean no Cable for FOX.

[psyonic]

I'm pretty baffled at the role of Bacon in this being anything but a politician. Perhaps another version of a Senator Kelly only I would think of him as military personnel. Secretary of Defense maybe.

I'm more concerned as to what Vaughn meant by the likeness between Star Trek and this. Would Bacon be playing a role like Cable, hopefully not.

BTW I do love Cable but don't want Bacon to play him. I also read that Marvel/Disney optioned Cable along with Black Panther if I'm not mistaken so that would mean no Cable for FOX.

Relax, Bacon is the villain and Cable is not a villain.

[X-Maniac]

The Shadow King didn't cripple Xavier that was the alien known as Lurcifer.Xavier will probally be crippled at the end of first class.

Lucifer crippled him originally.

Later he regained use of his legs but Shadow King crippled him again.

(From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_X): In a battle with his old foe, the Shadow King, in the "Muir Island Saga", Xavier's spine is shattered, returning him to his former paraplegic state, while his son David is seemingly killed. In the following months, Xavier rebuilds the mansion, which previously was rebuilt with Shi'ar technology, and restructures the X-Men into two teams)

They're unlikely to have an alien called Lucifer in the films. It will be the Shadow King or some other event, and I'm fine with that.

[Squidboy]

Probably Magneto's doing, or perhaps he just gets so flustered from dealing with students that he swears off from walking ever again.

[marvelrobbins]

Lucifer crippled him originally.

Later he regained use of his legs but Shadow King crippled him again.

(From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_X): In a battle with his old foe, the Shadow King, in the "Muir Island Saga", Xavier's spine is shattered, returning him to his former paraplegic state, while his son David is seemingly killed. In the following months, Xavier rebuilds the mansion, which previously was rebuilt with Shi'ar technology, and restructures the X-Men into two teams)

They're unlikely to have an alien called Lucifer in the films. It will be the Shadow King or some other event, and I'm fine with that.

I am aware of all that.In all likelyhood the villian of first Class will be respoable for Xavier being crippled.

[X-Maniac]

I am aware of all that.In all likelyhood the villian of first Class will be respoable for Xavier being crippled.

If you were aware of all that, why did you argue that the Shadow King didn't cripple Xavier?! :huh:

[marvelrobbins]

Because Lurcifer was the original crippler of Xaveir.The SHadow King was crippler of Xavier's cloned body when he was saved from the brood.In comics The Shaodw King was not the original crippler of Xavier.

[Electrix]

"I don't think it would be right to give that away, but he's really going for it," said Vaughn when asked about Bacon's character in the film. "He's really up for it, and he's going for it. I'm just thrilled that we could get him."

Vaughn heaped praise on the "Footloose" actor, and confessed to being a fan of Bacon's work "for as long as I can remember. Calling Bacon "a proper legendary actor," the director hinted that revealing anything more about the film's villain would spoil some big moments in the story — namely, his character's entrance.

"He will surprise you," said Vaughn. "I'll put it that way: He will surprise you with the kind of things he will do in this movie. He's not going to be what you expect at all when you first meet him in the film, you will be surprised that it's him."

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/08/16/x-men-first-class-kevin-bacon-role-matthew-vaughn/

[JP]

Interesting. Really excited.

[GhostPoet]

I can't get excited about this...because I know Mister Sinister will look NOTHING like his comic counterpart. :/

[JP]

We don't know who Bacon is playing. . .

[The Original Bamfer]

I wouldn't want Sinister to look like his comic counterpart. I'd want him to be some extremely successful geneticist that never once appears to be evil - at least not till he's revealed to be. Maybe when he's established as a not-so-good-guy-afterall, can some of his familiar look come into play.

[The Original Bamfer]

And if Sinister is in this, I hope Beast works alongside him and, who knows, maybe becomes one of his experiments!

[Electrix]

I can't get excited about this...because I know Mister Sinister will look NOTHING like his comic counterpart. :/

It wouldn't work.

[Chewy]

Why not? Blue skin with yellow eyes is dandy, but the line is drawn at white skin with red eyes?

He doesn't have to look that way, but it'd work just fine

[Project862006]

i am thinking more this
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061121212725/marveldatabase/images/3/3e/Mister_Sinister_X-Men_The_end.jpg
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090530035559/marveldatabase/images/thumb/4/4c/X-Men_The_End_Vol_1_4_Textless.jpg/403px-X-Men_The_End_Vol_1_4_Textless.jpg

than this
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthsinisterlearnsecrets3.jpg

but i still see a jason isaac or mark strong as more of a sinister personally

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm thinking (and visualized long before First Class was announced) standard, successful scientist - white lab coat, maybe some glasses. Fairly normal. At least at first.

[Doctor Jones]

Jason Isaacs and Mark Strong seem to be suggested for pretty much every villain these days. *yawn* We got Strong as Sinestro and Isaacs voicing Ra's. Can't we come up with more original choices to mix things up? I'm getting bored with suggesting Isaacs for every villain. Yeah, he would make a great bad guy for a comic book film, but he seems to be good for about ten more bad guys now.

[JP]

Jason Isaacs and Mark Strong seem to be suggested for pretty much every villain these days. *yawn* We got Strong as Sinestro and Isaacs voicing Ra's. Can't we come up with more original choices to mix things up? I'm getting bored with suggesting Isaacs for every villain. Yeah, he would make a great bad guy for a comic book film, but he seems to be good for about ten more bad guys now.
Ugh, couldn't agree more!

[Squidboy]

I personally think Alan Rickman would make an awesome Sinister, though he is getting up there in age, so playing an immortal character might seem like a bit of a paradox. Gary Oldman would be awesome too, but again, the age thing could be a problem.

[The Original Bamfer]

You like Harry Potter a lot, don't you?

[Project862006]

yeah but does that make it bad

look at mark strong he has been a villain in literally his past 8 movies in a row or so -
kick ass/syriana/robin hood/Sherlock Holmes/Body of Lies/Rock N Rolla/Sunshine/Stardust/Green Lantern/

but people all love him

[TheFuture]

I wouldn't have called him a villain in RocknRolla, moreso a conflicted gangster working under his boss, Lenny, who was the real villain.

[marvelrobbins]

Well In Green Lantern Sinsestro will not yet be a villian.They are saving that for a sequel.

[Project862006]

well lets say he has a thing for conflicted characters then lol

[Squidboy]

You like Harry Potter a lot, don't you?

Would it bother you if I also said Ralph Fiennes?

[The Original Bamfer]

Would it bother you if I also said Ralph Fiennes?

Probably, yeah.

[Squidboy]

That's a shame, because his non-HP work would really lend to him being a good Sinister. Especially Red Dragon, IMHO

[Octoberist]

Why does Sinister have that weird cape?

Anyway, I hope that he is Sinister because I've always thought "If you can't have Apocolypse, you can have Sinister as a villain." Same thing with Brainiac in place of Darkseid when it comes to a Superman film.

I mean, Vaughn is really keeping Bacon's role a mystery. I don't know if Shaw is the type of a character where you have to keep him a secret. Im betting on something bigger...

[chaseter]

You like Harry Potter a lot, don't you?

Who doesn't?

[Doctor Jones]

'Dem haterz.

[chaseter]

Hatoras haterus.

[WeaponXProject]

Relax, Bacon is the villain and Cable is not a villain.


Relax?

I figured it out through process of elimination that he couldn't be Cable. I was just letting people know Marvel did option Cable.

As for Bacon. I'm going military type.

[Octoberist]

Why would Vaughn keep Bacon's role such a secret if he's just a military guy?

[JP]

In the MTV interview Vaughn made it seem like revealing Bacon's character meant revealing the plot.

Whoever it is, its pretty big.

[marvelrobbins]

bacon Is going to be a character from the comics.Count on It.They want to keep things under wraps as long as possable.Bryan Singer did his best to keep surprises In both X-Men and X2.matthew Vaughn Is continuing this.

[psyonic]

Relax?

I figured it out through process of elimination that he couldn't be Cable. I was just letting people know Marvel did option Cable.

As for Bacon. I'm going military type.

When Kevin Bacon was announced it was stated he was the main villain of the movie, so why would you even consider him as Cable?

[WeaponXProject]

When Kevin Bacon was announced it was stated he was the main villain of the movie, so why would you even consider him as Cable?


I didn't know he was announced as the main villain. I thought he was just speculated to be the main villain.

As for Cable, he wouldn't be a villain but it would be alarming a big man with a cyborg arm came back in time and needed to speak with Prof. X about the future. Similar to Kyle Reese in Terminator, you didn't know his motive when you first see him.

[The Original Bamfer]

Cable should be nowhere near these films.

[JP]

I wouldn't mind. At all.

[The Original Bamfer]

Pshaw.

If Bacon's playing Essex, which I kind of hope he is, maybe The Man in Black is... Oi... Apocalypse. :csad: