Superman with a twist ?

[Gamma Goliath]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1106359p1.html

[Bruce_Begins]

I hope that it is not the usual twist like Lex Luthor is not human but a Kryptonian living on Earth.

[dark_b]

i think it will be a small story twist.

they are using this to make a bigger story then it is.


no need for panic.

[NotFadeAway]

I'm very excited.

[GreenKToo]

I predict a red son like ending.

[romeogbs19]

The twist could be anything so I wouldn't get too concerned about it. Chris and Emma will be far more faithful to the roots of the character (keep in mind Singer hadn't read a Superman comic book in his life). I suspect the twist might be something as simple as no Lex Luthor or a big sci-fi component. Or, that it's an older Superman.

Whatever it is, so long as it's not the blasted son-routine again, I'm in ;-)

[storyteller]

What does "faithful to the roots" even mean. Superman has changed so much since creation and decade to decade. Even the comics can't keep the origin straight. What exactly was unfaithful about Singers take that is any less unfaithful then any writers for comics.

[JBrown437]

I think it would be brilliant if they went with an older Superman.

[Excel]

Who cares as long as it works for the story.

[\S/uperman]

:doh:We discussed this a few days ago in other threads.

I think someone said in the Nolan 3.0 thread that the twist might be Brainiac responsible for Krypton's destruction.

Imo that would NOT be a twist. It would be exactly what was done in STAS.

[TheWatcher]

"Twist" possibility's.
#1-Older Superman.
-Why would it work?
=The origin has been told countless times before in Superman media. Plus they can't do the origin anyway.
=Many "older" actors have lots of Superman potential. Jon Hamm,Matthew Fox,Jim Caviezel.
-Why it wouldn't work.
= The actor would be too old for a sequel/JLA spinoff.
#2-Red Son ending.
-Why it would work.
=????
-Why it wouldn't work-Too far of a deviation.
#3-No Lex Luthor.
Why it would work.
=We need a new villain to keep the audiences attention.
Why it wouldn't work.
-????

[\S/]

Here's my theory, which I'm basing on the whole "It's not a reboot and not a sequel" comment:

The twist is that Superman has been around since 1939. He hasn't aged in decades, but the world around him has changed, as has Lois, the DP staff, etc.

As for Clark Kent, the biggest twist will be that once Clark reached the natural age of dying (Kal-El has used make-up to achieve an aged look through the years, a la the Earth-2 Superman) Superman allowed the secret identity to die, though he is, of course, still Clark Kent (though really only in his own mind/experience.)

There you have it, my random and admittedly very crazy theory.

\S/

[Kevin Roegele]

Here's my theory, which I'm basing on the whole "It's not a reboot and not a sequel" comment:

The twist is that Superman has been around since 1939. He hasn't aged in decades, but the world around him has changed, as has Lois, the DP staff, etc.

As for Clark Kent, the biggest twist will be that once Clark reached the natural age of dying (Kal-El has used make-up to achieve an aged look through the years, a la the Earth-2 Superman) Superman allowed the secret identity to die, though he is, of course, still Clark Kent (though really only in his own mind/experience.)

There you have it, my random and admittedly very crazy theory.

\S/

Yes. Good call. I'm sure it will be something like this, that makes you look at Superman himself differently. Remember, Nolan loved the new idea as soon as Goyer told him.The twist is going to be something big that effects the character in a major way, not some change of detail like Brainiac destroys Krypton.

[AnorexicBatman]

Superman is actually... BATMAN!
There's your twist!

[Bruce_Begins]

It would be foolish for DC / WB to let go of whatever characters they own legally (like Daily Planet, Lois, Jimmy, Perry) because if Clark Kent ages and dies the same happens to Lois, Jimmy Perry, and DC cannot use them again, and the Origins story and some characters are already granted to Siegal's so, it will not be like that , IMO.

[\S/uperman]

How about Batman with a twist?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e301/DickTater/1179447580954.gif

[El Payaso]

As long as it's not a kitchen twist like in SM3.

[MAN O STEEL]

The twist will be that this time were gonna get a good Superman movie.






Steve

[hopefuldreamer]

Generally I hate twists, but the statement was pretty vague so i'm not going to worry about it.

[GreenKToo]

The twist will be that this time were gonna get a good Superman movie.






Steve
Ha...:awesome:

[Puckenstein]

I hope the twist is lime.

[Willi Berg]

The twist could be something like what people have been saying, that Superman is considered an alien threat, and has to prove himself against another alien like Brainiac. I agree that it could be just looking at Superman in a different way, rather than a major change in his known story.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The twist will be that this time were gonna get a good Superman movie.






SteveYou win.

[Kurosawa]

Here's my theory, which I'm basing on the whole "It's not a reboot and not a sequel" comment:

The twist is that Superman has been around since 1939. He hasn't aged in decades, but the world around him has changed, as has Lois, the DP staff, etc.

As for Clark Kent, the biggest twist will be that once Clark reached the natural age of dying (Kal-El has used make-up to achieve an aged look through the years, a la the Earth-2 Superman) Superman allowed the secret identity to die, though he is, of course, still Clark Kent (though really only in his own mind/experience.)

There you have it, my random and admittedly very crazy theory.

\S/

That would be very cool. Kingdom Come-like really.

[dark_b]

wasnt there some talk that maybe in the movie the public is a little afraid of him because he is an alien ?

maybe the twist on teh legend is that not every is crazy about him and not every likes him. and that they are fraid.

[MAN O STEEL]

I've always liked that twist & it was one of the reasons why I was initially thrilled about SR, because that was, for the most part what we were gonna get. a world accepting him by having him earn it, but initially rejecting him for leaving. Sadly they decided to just have him walk all golly gosh jeepers back into everyone's lives. The idea that Superman isn't initially trusted is logical in terms of how Nolan would do a Superhero movie. I look forward to more details regarding the plot.





Steve

[BH/HHH]

I like the idea that not all the public is very accepting of him. Its like in Birthright (which I think should have been adapted instead of SR's (which I did like before people get all ar$ey)) when not all the public trusts him and then his trust is really put to the test with the fake Kryptonian invasion. I reckon the twist will be something along these lines.

[Rust]

I'd like to see them take it a bit further by actually having alot of the public downright fear him and this could even be further provoked by Luthor in a smaller role.

[MAN O STEEL]

Exactly. The role of Luthor as a guy so smart, that he's tricked Metropolis into loving him soo much through charity work & building half of what Metropolis is that when Superman comes along, or any threat for that matter, he has the backing of the greatest city behind him. It's smart & is something that Superman can't get through even with all his powers. That is why Luthor is an unmatched rival.





Steve

[Willi Berg]

What about the twist being that they're afraid of Superman because he's an alien?

[dark_b]

I'd like to see them take it a bit further by actually having alot of the public downright fear him and this could even be further provoked by Luthor in a smaller role.i agree. this combined with Luthor would make a huge superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

I'd like to see it open with this superman having been around for 5 years or so. As for Lex, Metropolis absolutely loves him, we see the Lex-Corp brand on just about everything bought and sold. This Lex is not only a corporate tycoon, but he is also a scientific genius. We even see some posters proclaiming ''Luthor for US senate''.

Clark knows the real Lex of course, and he, along with Lois, spend the first act trying to get the dirt on Lex to bring him down legally BEFORE he can run for office. Just when they get the evidence they need, an emergency broadcast is issued. Clark hears it and looks up.

Thats when Brainiac arrives in his ship and starts trying to assimilate the Earth.

Huge fights in space and on the surface between he and Superman follow.
Brainiac is almost too much for Superman, he doesn't wear down and Superman is starting to tire.
Lex at first pulls for Brainiac, but he now understands if Superman falls, so does the earth and he's chances to eventually rule it. So Lex is forced to help supes or watch his own planet be destroyed.

[Willi Berg]

I'd like to see it open with this superman having been around for 5 years or so. As for Lex, Metropolis absolutely loves him, we see the Lex-Corp brand on just about everything bought and sold. This Lex is not only a corporate tycoon, but he is also a scientific genius. We even see some posters proclaiming ''Luthor for US senate''.

Clark knows the real Lex of course, and he, along with Lois, spend the first act trying to get the dirt on Lex to bring him down legally BEFORE he can run for office. Just when they get the evidence they need, an emergency broadcast is issued. Clark hears it and looks up.

Thats when Brainiac arrives in his ship and starts trying to assimilate the Earth.

Huge fights in space and on the surface between he and Superman follow.
Brainiac is almost too much for Superman, he doesn't wear down and Superman is starting to tire.
Lex at first pulls for Brainiac, but he now understands if Superman falls, so does the earth and he's chances to eventually rule it. So Lex is forced to help supes or watch his own planet be destroyed.

That sounds pretty good. Clark and Lois working together sounds great, we have never really seen that done well in a live action movie. I mean, yeah, they went to Niagara Falls, but it would be great to see them investigating Lex in the city. Seeing LexCorp in all its glory would be great. Metropolis too.

[\S/]

^^^I agree that this is most likely the direction the "twist" is referring to. Given the mention last year by someone at the WB that this new film would be closer to The Dark Knight and with Nolan's involvement, I have a feeling that while Superman himself won't be dark, the "twist" will be that he's seen as a vigilante at best and a super-powered conquering force at worst, an idea I could see Luthor wanting to perpetuate.

This has been a take seen most recently in Superman: Secret Origin. Luthor owns all of the papers in Metropolis, but the only one that doesn't run a "Superman is a menace!" headline is, of course, the Daily Planet.

Toss in Brainiac as Luthor's "partner" to destroy Superman and you've got a winner.

So instead of the Donnerverse treatment of Superman's debut, which sees everyone trust and believe in a man who can fly, you've got a more realistic take, which sees what would most likely happen: fear, mistrust, paranoia over a possible alien invasion, people wanting to kill Superman outright, the military wanting to apprehend him, and some even thinking the existence of Superman could mean the end of the world.

Hmm...if this is the route this movie's going, I think it's going to be very different and very cool if done properly.

Now we just need a great Superman!

\S/

[Willi Berg]

This has been a take seen most recently in Superman: Secret Origin. Luthor owns all of the papers in Metropolis, but the only one that doesn't run a "Superman is a menace!" headline is, of course, the Daily Planet.

Right, Secret Origin is doing that now too. I wonder whether we will see it in the movie like that- as the last sort of independent, edgier newspaper, that dares to not jump on the Lex bandwagon.

Also, there were those rumours that The Daily Planet is struggling because of the internet, I wonder if that's true as well.

[That-Guy]

I wonder if the twist (or a twist) could be an update to the Superman's lame "put on glasses and no one recognizes me" disguise. If there's one thing that makes Superman come off silly, IMO, it's that. Perhaps Superman in this version would either have a power (or some type of Kryptonian device) that would drastically alter his appearance. I wouldn't want two different actors playing the role of Superman and Clark, but perhaps they could make the actor look like a totally different person when he's one character or another. Just a thought.

[\S/]

^^^No offense, but the "put on glasses and no one recongizes me disguise" as you call it is an essential element of the Superman mythos. It won't be avoided or done away with, nor is it "lame."

There's more to it than just the glasses. The size of the glasses and the prescription lenses change Clark's face, he slumps, wears baggy clothes, and does everything in his power to not be noticed. Clark studied acting techniques and does more than just put on the glasses and a suit.

Chris Reeve was probably the only actor to master this, a fact that's evident in Lois' apartment right after they've flown for the first time. And very few artists can get this portrayal right, either.

Making him look like a different person entirely would be, IMO, ridiculous.

\S/

[Kryptonian Warrior]

^^^No offense, but the "put on glasses and no one recongizes me disguise" as you call it is an essential element of the Superman mythos. It won't be avoided or done away with, nor is it "lame."

There's more to it than just the glasses. The size of the glasses and the prescription lenses change Clark's face, he slumps, wears baggy clothes, and does everything in his power to not be noticed. Clark studied acting techniques and does more than just put on the glasses and a suit.

Chris Reeve was probably the only actor to master this, a fact that's evident in Lois' apartment right after they've flown for the first time. And very few artists can get this portrayal right, either.

Making him look like a different person entirely would be, IMO, ridiculous.

\S/
I still personally think that it would be kind of cool to give him the ability to change his eye color. After all he is alien. Yes, I realize that it's not part of the mythos, and yet it wouldn't be too drastic of a change. I'm sure that I will get flamed for it, but it's just an idea is all. You could have a scene where he goes back to being CK and there is a quick close-up of his eyes, and they change from blue to brown or something like that.

[Rust]

I was thinking more of a subtle "jedi mind-trick" so to speak like in Superman II after he and Lois kiss in the end.

Of course, that's alotta people to snag, but you get the picture...

[GreenKToo]

I still personally think that it would be kind of cool to give him the ability to change his eye color. After all he is alien. Yes, I realize that it's not part of the mythos, and yet it wouldn't be too drastic of a change. I'm sure that I will get flamed for it, but it's just an idea is all. You could have a scene where he goes back to being CK and there is a quick close-up of his eyes, and they change from blue to brown or something like that.
Contacts. with his superspeed it wouldn't take but a nano second for him to remove or place them..he could still keep the glasses, it would just add to the disguise.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, but what if Lex figures out Superman's dual identity? He could just switch Superman's contacts with those Lady Gaga contacts and next thing you know, Supes will go blind.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Contacts. with his superspeed it wouldn't take but a nano second for him to remove or place them..he could still keep the glasses, it would just add to the disguise.
True, but I just think that it would rather neat to see him change his eye color without contacts. Contacts are just so......human, and he clearly isn't human.

[GreenKToo]

That would be great as well if they wanted to add that in..either way, i'd be fine with it.

[That person]

I'd like to see it open with this superman having been around for 5 years or so. As for Lex, Metropolis absolutely loves him, we see the Lex-Corp brand on just about everything bought and sold. This Lex is not only a corporate tycoon, but he is also a scientific genius. We even see some posters proclaiming ''Luthor for US senate''.

Clark knows the real Lex of course, and he, along with Lois, spend the first act trying to get the dirt on Lex to bring him down legally BEFORE he can run for office. Just when they get the evidence they need, an emergency broadcast is issued. Clark hears it and looks up.

Thats when Brainiac arrives in his ship and starts trying to assimilate the Earth.

Huge fights in space and on the surface between he and Superman follow.
Brainiac is almost too much for Superman, he doesn't wear down and Superman is starting to tire.
Lex at first pulls for Brainiac, but he now understands if Superman falls, so does the earth and he's chances to eventually rule it. So Lex is forced to help supes or watch his own planet be destroyed.

That would be fantastic. The only revision I might make would be to make Luthor running for mayor of Metropolis, giving him more involvement in future films.

[That person]

Oops, DP.

[Gamma Goliath]

I actually read in an old justice league novel, that when Clark suits up for superman his muscles tense up and he actually grows a few inches taller, but as Clark his muscle tone and stature is more relaxed. I think that works well for creating a definite difference between the two.

[TheLongestDay]

how about a fake nose and moustache?.....

[Kurosawa]

I actually read in an old justice league novel, that when Clark suits up for superman his muscles tense up and he actually grows a few inches taller, but as Clark his muscle tone and stature is more relaxed. I think that works well for creating a definite difference between the two.

He holds his posture differently, his suits are a size or a size and a half too big so they look a bit loose, hiding his body, and he speaks in a higher tone as Clark.

[GreenKToo]

I may be wrong, but I look for Nolan to explain alot of things visually, like how Superman's cape and boots are able to be worn under the business suit..It just seems like something nolan would do.
We'll probably be like ''oh yeaaah, that makes sense'' once we see it.

[Gamma Goliath]

He holds his posture differently, his suits are a size or a size and a half too big so they look a bit loose, hiding his body, and he speaks in a higher tone as Clark.

I know that. But what I read was that Clark was actually able to change his physical stature and appearance not just by slouching and wearing clothes that were too big, but by relaxing and tightening his muscles.

It also explained how he has an aura around him that protects him at all times, even against bacteria.

[afan]

Could it be that this " huge twist to the legend " is necessitated by the lawsuit? If so it narrows the suspects abit.

[LightningFlash]

The twist: Brainiac is Superman's father.

Lara is such a ****.

[mrajan]

I'm a little concerned with Jonah Nolan getting the directing gig just because WB doesn't want to piss of Chris Nolan. Superman is a huge film and a big franchise to just hand over to a first time director with no previous directing experience, no matter who his brother is. At least Donner had directed The Omen and a bunch of TV episodes before he got the Superman job.

[GreenKToo]

I'm wondering now if we will hear something at the con about Supes. I was thinking before that we wouldn't because of GL, now i'm not so sure.
I dont wanna get my hopes up tho, been there done that.

[MAN O STEEL]

Well GreenKToo, If there gonna start filming next year for a 2012 release their gonna have to start getting news out ASAP & what better place at this point in time than the Con. It's where these movies thrive, where the hype is for comic book movies (No pun intended). It's the best way to get it out there. If not then I can imagine it being not to long after.





Steve

[GreenKToo]

True. I'd geek out if nolan walked out at the con, *officially* announced the reboot, and introduced not only the director, but the guy that's cast as Supes. ( that said, I don't think we'll hear any casting news for a long while yet tho.)

[Bad Superman]

Twist? I hope they focus more on a good story rather than a "twist".

**cough****cough**Lame Jason is Superman's son twist **cough**cough**

[solidsnake86]

I'm wondering now if we will hear something at the con about Supes. I was thinking before that we wouldn't because of GL, now i'm not so sure.
I dont wanna get my hopes up tho, been there done that.

Its tough to say but realistically no. Batman, there bigger franchise, probably wont have a presence at comic con and it comes out before superman. At the actual con it just makes sense to focus on green lantern. They can announce the superman stuff at any time and we probably (besides a director) wont be hearing to much stuff any time soon. I mean people are expecting announcements but its best not to get your hopes up, just look at the past with the batman movies. Everyone was expecting some announcement at comic con for who would play the joker and there was nothing. A few weeks later latino review scooped it.

[Adenjo]

The twist...

The movie will be set in the 1930's/1940's....
Kryptons destruction will be seen in black and white and shown in a "republic serials" format..
The movie wil become colourised as soon as the Kents find baby Kal-El in the rocket ship.
Before the movie fast forwards thirty odd years to show a mature Superman saving lives in 1930/1940's Metropolis.
Lex Luthor will be a mad scientist hell bent on the destruction of Superman.

Yes, we may well see a giant robot.

[MAN O STEEL]

Twist? I hope they focus more on a good story rather than a "twist".

**cough****cough**Lame Jason is Superman's son twist **cough**cough**


Yeah because by adding a twist, the rest of the story wil just fall apart because no attention was paid to it :whatever:. Don't forget the team working on this. They know story better than anyone working today IMO. Goyer, Little Nolan & Big Nolan are geniuses together. I'm not worried one single bit. 2 wicked Bats movies have taught me that much.



Steve

[That-Guy]

Superman and Lex are the same person!

[Adenjo]

The twist..
The Daily Planet closes.. Clark gets a job at the Buy-More :D

[LightningFlash]

The twist...

The movie will be set in the 1930's/1940's....
Kryptons destruction will be seen in black and white and shown in a "republic serials" format..
The movie wil become colourised as soon as the Kents find baby Kal-El in the rocket ship.
Before the movie fast forwards thirty odd years to show a mature Superman saving lives in 1930/1940's Metropolis.
Lex Luthor will be a mad scientist hell bent on the destruction of Superman.

Yes, we may well see a giant robot.

So...the movie begins in the 1930s and fast forward thirty or so years and it's still in the 1930s? Lol.

[romeogbs19]

The twist...

Yes, we may well see a giant robot.

Ah, you're right -- the twist is that we finally see a live action version of that giant spider Jon Peters wanted in his Superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

Polar bears FTW!!

[Bad Superman]

Superman and Lex are the same person!

Polar bears FTW!!

:lmao:

[Bad Superman]

Yeah because by adding a twist, the rest of the story wil just fall apart because no attention was paid to it :whatever:. Don't forget the team working on this. They know story better than anyone working today IMO. Goyer, Little Nolan & Big Nolan are geniuses together. I'm not worried one single bit. 2 wicked Bats movies have taught me that much.



Steve

It did with SR. Like I said I just hope they focus on delivering a great story than a twist that could spoil the film.I've seen many films have great first and second acts and it all falls apart with the third act. IMO a twist isn't vital. They could do it on a sequel. I just want them to focus on giving Supes a solid epic franchise restart. As for the team behind the film, Im confident they'll do an excellent job.

"Little" Nolan and "Big" Nolan. :hehe:

[what_19]

i think it would be interesting if the government captured the baby kal-el and kept him for a few years...as he grows older he gets stronger and escapes (say 5-6 years old) and runs away...the kents find him and raise him. the government looks for him but can't make a public ordeal about it because they have to keep the alien thing a secret. clark grows up to be superman, and fight for truth and justice.

the public fears him totally at first, cuz lets be honest, if some dude showed up wearing a cape with all teh powers he has it would be quite a big deal. people would be afraid. its WEIRD. it would turn the world upside down. religions would be questioned. people would wonder if there are more coming? what else is out there? the gov't would realize that he is the kid that escaped and go after him. lex turns against him and in turn gets the public against him. the gov't tries to catch him, and ask lex, with all his technology and brains to help them.

brainiac turns up...maybe superman gets caught or subdued by lex....and they have to release him because its the only way to beat braniac...the public loves superman because he saves the earth. the gov'tis still afraid of him and lex is pissed and sets out to destroy him.

oh yeh, and then there is the character stuff with lois and his parents and what not

the end.

[double A-ron]

The twist:

At the end of the movie as Superman's heading for space to do his patented flyby and smile, he smacks/crashes through a big glass wall and we learn that the whole time, Metropolis has been in one of Brainiac's bottles aboard his ship.

[GreenKToo]

i think it would be interesting if the government captured the baby kal-el and kept him for a few years...as he grows older he gets stronger and escapes (say 5-6 years old) and runs away...the kents find him and raise him. the government looks for him but can't make a public ordeal about it because they have to keep the alien thing a secret. clark grows up to be superman, and fight for truth and justice.

the public fears him totally at first, cuz lets be honest, if some dude showed up wearing a cape with all teh powers he has it would be quite a big deal. people would be afraid. its WEIRD. it would turn the world upside down. religions would be questioned. people would wonder if there are more coming? what else is out there? the gov't would realize that he is the kid that escaped and go after him. lex turns against him and in turn gets the public against him. the gov't tries to catch him, and ask lex, with all his technology and brains to help them.

brainiac turns up...maybe superman gets caught or subdued by lex....and they have to release him because its the only way to beat braniac...the public loves superman because he saves the earth. the gov'tis still afraid of him and lex is pissed and sets out to destroy him.

oh yeh, and then there is the character stuff with lois and his parents and what not

the end.
Not bad. For me, I'd change that the goverment has him, to the gov tracked the spaceship coming in, and traces the loaction to Kansas. the ship crashes.
The kents, on their way home, arrive first of course, and they think its a goverment experimental aircraft instead of an alien craft. They find a small child in the wreckage (alive and well) and wrap it up. Jonathan tries to load the ship into his truck, but its too heavy for him, so he hides it the best that he can with brush.
Martha, thinking its a secret gov experiment, is furious that they would use small children in such tests and tells jonathan that they must take the child away.
The kents leave the scene, and not long afterwards a private goverment group arrives at the crash site lead by a man from luthor-corp.

Later, the man that was leading the Luthor-corp team arrives at his home. He walks into his house holding an artifact from the ship..his son (about 5 or 6 years old) walks up. the man studies the artifact, and lets his son hold it..'Lex', the man says, ''your holding your future''.

[\S/]

The twist:

At the end of the movie as Superman's heading for space to do his patented flyby and smile, he smacks/crashes through a big glass wall and we learn that the whole time, Metropolis has been in one of Brainiac's bottles aboard his ship.

Great minds think alike, though I actually thought of a similar idea as a better ending to the "New Krypton" saga in the comics.

Instead of this "Super-Gump" stunt stuff, Superman would return to BAU (business as usual) and things would seem okay for a time. Then he'd notice things aren't what they should be, as would other folks in Metropolis.

The reveal would be about five issues into the new year-long arc. Metropolis was shrunken and placed in a bottle, trapping Superman. In the meantime, Brainiac and Luthor have conquered the Earth, a fact we'd learn after a few issues of Action Comics.

Superman and Metropolis' story would be the focus of Superman, while Action would deal with the world fighting against the Brainiac/Luthor team. This would also be a company-wide crossover, as we'd see how both heroes and villains would deal with the "Lexiac" rule.

A simplified version of this would work in movie form as well, I think.

\S/

[Webhead2006]

well hopefully goyer and jonah nolan will not do anything to crazy for twists or anything. like those countless crazy ideas of the 90s/early 2000s, or singer did with having a super kid. Now its probably not going to be anything to out there. Since i am sure wb will want superman to be clearly defined and not to out of the norm for the character. IT will probably be more on story telling and set up then some crazy life altering twist.

For me i just want the film to have a good story, treat the characters right, keep things faithful to what ever source materials they are drawing from, and have good acting, visuals, and direction.

[ChickenScratch]

I think it will be an Earth/Krypton connection. Those who have read the end of Red Son get where I'm coming from here.

[The Executioner]

Why a Superman film based on Red Son? Thats when he fought for Russia and it was an esleworlds title.

[Webhead2006]

i doubt they would do something like that, it could just be a twist on seting up a big villain for a later film, or like i said twist is more in story telling/film set up.

[The Executioner]

Oh okay I gotchu.

[what_19]

i know its part of the mythos, but for some reason the "visual" of metropolis, or earth fpr that matter being stuck in a "bottle" just doesnt work for me. It's too "twilight zone." Especially with nolan in charge i can't see this happening.

I can see the genuine public reaction happening with an "alien being on earth" response with nolan though. how CRAZY that would be. how he finds his place in this world where EVERYTHING is turned upside down...balance of power, religion....how countries try and get in his graces...how far certain countries PUSH him to see what will happen. The possibilities are endless to add a SUPERMAN to the real world, without losing the sci-fi edge that is superman.

whats next? martinas? brainiac? doomsday? what else is superman drawing to earth?

[xorm]

In Nolan's movies his modus operandi is to circle back to beginning triggering events. With Superman the beginning triggering event is Krypton's destruction and Kal-El being sent to Earth, found in a spaceship and adopted by the Kents.
I think that the twist will be that the origin will be revealed to be something other than what we viewers and Superman and the Kents have been led to believe.
This theory also can extricate Warner Bros. from the problem that they've lost the rights to Action #1 which contains the classic origin.
What the actual twist will be, I have no idea. It will probably turn his origin on it's head but by using the universally known origin story as the macguffin this will then open the story up for further sequels.

[GreenKToo]

It wouldnt really be a twist, but they *COULD* be planning to set up a JL film in Superman. Maybe hints and stuff.

[ChickenScratch]

Why a Superman film based on Red Son? Thats when he fought for Russia and it was an esleworlds title.

I didn't say based on Red Sun, I said an ending similar to that of Red Sun with the Earth/Krypton thing, the twist. You don't have to point out what Red Sun is to me, I'm the one who brought it up, I know what it is.

[Motown Marvel]

i dont understand the need for a twist on superman. i like him just the way he is. i dont trust hollywood to put a twist on a character like superman.

[X Knight]

hmm.....the mention of a "twist" kind of worries me a bit......:(

if it's a twist where the villain, say Braniac, is responsible for the destruction of Krypton ( ala TAS ), then I'll be ok with that.

remember.....Singer included a "twist" in SR.....when we discovered that Jason was Supers JR. when he chucked the piano across the room....

and.....we all know how that turned out.....

[Comicfan]

Beyonce will play Lois Lane

Will Smith will be Superman

[\S/uperman]

Beyonce was cast in McG Superman with Bomer wasn't she?

[what_19]

that was just a nightmare......right?

[Diamondhead]

Bah !
at the end of the movie it' s apocalypse
the earth is destroyed just like krypton but..!

Superman still in his spaceship as an infant travelling billions of lights years
before reaching earth
he's connected to a dream stimulated machine that stimulate and teaches his kryptonian baby brain

all of this superhero stuff was nothing but a dream that was coming from a dream induced machine that shows possible future

he has yet to reach earth
which is unlikely since he is lost in deep space.


there's your crappy twist
nolan
Ha ha ha

[NotFadeAway]

I've long toyed with with the idea of Jor-El being turned into a villian for the franchise restart. It's kind of contrived and would piss some people off, people who would likely call it a ripoff of Star Wars, but the move could also freshen things up with a Jor-El sending Superman to Earth in order to conquer Humanity and rebuild Krypton from the ground up on Earth. Jor-El could be portrayed as a figurative Kryptonian nationalist if you will.

I'll admit that Smallville put this idea in my head. While at first being taken back by the notion of Jor-El as a villian, I quickly came around to the idea, respecting Smallville for possibly taking such a risk and IMO they should have ran with it. But instead of making that Clark Kent/Kal-El's story there own, they went the predictable route. This is the tragedy that is Smallville, never making the story there own. I'm serious, Smallville is such a television tragedy from a storyline standpoint. So much potential that was just wasted, a show that had the time and support to take thought out liberties, slowly build storylines, get deep and indepth with those storylines, time to develop character arc's, they had the time and basic immunity from the network because it's a Superman story. One of the biggest tragedies in television history. Ok, enough over dramatic ranting.

[Superman Prime]

How about Clark Kent works for LexCorp.

[rob-el2]

What if the movie start in the current time (or very near future) but we learn that Superman really looks the same but all supporting characters are in their 90/100s (Life expectancy has been extended with the help of some Kryptonian technologies). The movie then flashes back to the 40's and we get a take on Superman back then al la Skyking. I've always wanted a retro Superman and this could show us that. Sequels could be a problem unless they wanted to continue thru the decades with the characters getting older -and thee issues that that brings forth for Supes.

[NotFadeAway]

How about Clark Kent works for LexCorp.
I've also thought about this as well.

[Sub-Zero]

brainiac destroyed krypton, but bottled kandor and it's inhabitants first, and has been searching for the only living kryptonian not in his possession. not a huge twist, but it should impact the kryptonian mythology.

[Adenjo]

Twist...
in Nolans batman 3, A small boy is seen holding a Superman comic book, the Superman on the cover being a comic book artists rendition of the actor playing Superman in Nolans Superman movie.
In Nolans Superman movie, a small boy (would it be too much for it to be the same boy?) is seen flicking through a Batman comic book, the cover being a comic book artists rendition of Nolans Batman/Bale.

Therefore having both characters/movies within the same universe but also not in the same universe.....

[SuperFerret]

The twist will be instead of a man from Krypton, Kal-El will be a ferret that by day is Lois Lane's mild-mannered pet that she keeps in her apartment but hides from her landlords because she's not allowed to have pets in her building, and by night patrols the city as SuperFerret, but hides from the mayor because he's not allowed to be in Metropolis. Damn Metropolis, trying to be like California and make ferrets illegal. :awesome:

[Gamma Goliath]

I like the idea of brainiac destroying krypton.

[Alientraveller]

I like the idea of brainiac destroying krypton.

Very TAS, but it would drive the plot and set up Kandor for sequels.


I can see the genuine public reaction happening with an "alien being on earth" response with nolan though. how CRAZY that would be. how he finds his place in this world where EVERYTHING is turned upside down...balance of power, religion....how countries try and get in his graces...how far certain countries PUSH him to see what will happen. The possibilities are endless to add a SUPERMAN to the real world, without losing the sci-fi edge that is superman.


Wahey, I'd love to see people seeing Superman as the second coming.

[GreenKToo]

thats why I'd kinda like other heroes to be in the world, or at least mentioned, as to get away from the messiah talk. If you had other heroes already running around, the public would be used to them.

[jmc]

Twist...
in Nolans batman 3, A small boy is seen holding a Superman comic book, the Superman on the cover being a comic book artists rendition of the actor playing Superman in Nolans Superman movie.
In Nolans Superman movie, a small boy (would it be too much for it to be the same boy?) is seen flicking through a Batman comic book, the cover being a comic book artists rendition of Nolans Batman/Bale.

Therefore having both characters/movies within the same universe but also not in the same universe.....

Interesting idea, however Nolan had gone on the record as saying the shear concept of the comic book or superhero doesn't exist in Batman's world, hence why the sequence where Bruce's parents were killed was changed from them being shot outside the cinema showing Zorro to the opera.

[GreenKToo]

Nolan never thought he would be overseeing a Superman film when he said that either.
Maybe he has changed his mind now, maybe not.

[Comicfan]

Interesting idea, however Nolan had gone on the record as saying the shear concept of the comic book or superhero doesn't exist in Batman's world, hence why the sequence where Bruce's parents were killed was changed from them being shot outside the cinema showing Zorro to the opera.

Maybe Batman started a trend, you know:

"...take this guy: armed robbery, double homicide. Got a taste for the theatrical, like you. Leaves a calling card"


:p

[Diamondhead]

the Kent were in fact low life creatures from kryton
disguised as human farmers to raise kal el to the right direction
because real human beings would have never kep a big secret like that


the kent are Expendables
might as well make them something to remember
haw haw haw!

[Diamondhead]

Nolan never thought he would be overseeing a Superman film when he said that either.
Maybe he has changed his mind now, maybe not.
You know what!
I think the dude is overrated

his latest movie not so original
I haven't seen it yet !
but we've got the matrix according to some
and don't forget
the Cell
a movie with Jennifer Lopez

so much for originality

[ChickenScratch]

I think it would be interesting to have the twist be a film acknowledging the DC multiverse. Can you imagine a threat that once stopped by Superman seems to dissapear into void, Superman follows and he's confronted with images from all previous incarnations of the DCU? He could see an earth with Donner's Superman, Cain's Superman, Welling's superman, etc.

I think it could be a great twist. Show that the Nolan Batman universe exists, but it has it's own place separate.

[NotFadeAway]

I like the idea of brainiac destroying krypton.

If they go this route, I don't want Superman/Clark being aware of his heritage, completely in the dark until the third act. Write it off as Kal=El's baby ship getting damaged and the only way to fix it is with Braniac technology.

[Sam]

You know what!
I think the dude is overrated

his latest movie not so original
I haven't seen it yet !
but we've got the matrix according to some
and don't forget
the Cell
a movie with Jennifer Lopez

so much for originality

Internet surprises me everyday!

[Webhead2006]

yea we have no clue between now and when superman does start filming if batman and superman could be existing in the same world. Like many have said before they can just have it batman was the first costumed hero to go public and the others havent came to be yet or gone public yet. Then superman comes to the scene and more alien/scifi stuff start to happen to the world but the world is still a realistic place we seen in batman and all that.

As for any twists i do hope it will just be something basic like brainiac caused krypton to blow up or he is connected to something with krypton. We dont need any crazy twists like a kid again.

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't know much about superman, but Id like for the twist to be that jor el built brainiac to voyage space and gather information, and as it did so, it began to learn and think. So when he had returned, he had seen so many different societies that were more sufficient than krypton, he believed that krypton or any insufficient planet that harbored life should no longer exist due to its flaws and corruption, so after he had gathered all existing info on krypton he decided to destroy it. But brainiac didn't realize he was missing one last piece of information, the last son of krypton survived.

That kinda gives brainiac motive to destroy supes and earth in the movie, but idk, I was just brain storming.

[Gamma Goliath]

Double

[Webhead2006]

that would be an interesting idea gamma.

[Gamma Goliath]

Thanks webhead.

[Webhead2006]

no problem man.

[ChickenScratch]

Get a room you two.

[Webhead2006]

whats wrong saying i liked the dude's idea......

[what_19]

ok everybody, we have someone who completely knows what they are talking about. close this thread. this guy has everything figured out....oh wait..you havent seen inception? wait! WHAT? you know nothing of this "batman" character? And what do you know of a so-called "SUPERMAN"?

"well" says DIAMONDHEAD, "from what i have heard, he is purple, and IMO a hero cannot be purple." He continues "hercules had super-powers too, do i really need to SEE THAT AGAIN?"

You know what!
I think the dude is overrated

his latest movie not so original
I haven't seen it yet !
but we've got the matrix according to some
and don't forget
the Cell
a movie with Jennifer Lopez

so much for originality

[what_19]

all kidding aside, something to do with supes origins seems to be the most likely to me. how he ended up with the kents...the government's involvement perhaps? maybe the gov't captured him first as a child...say 2 years old....keeps this "alien" as an experiment and does crazy tests on him...the kid grows up a little and develops powers they cannot control and escapes....the kents find him and raise him (or he finds them and they raise him)then he escapes at age 5 or 6 beacuse nothing can contain his powers and the kents "find him" or clark "picks them." Thus begins a decades long manhunt.

the whole time the government has been chasing this "phantom being" with no luck..the search goes cold for 20 years...and then when supes appears on screen a whole new investigation is started..and who else better to aid in this investigation than lex luthor. maybe luthor was the teenage prodigy who first discovered the meteorite that crashed on earth....and now he is the king of technology. a modern day folk hero. supes is an ALIEN. people freak the **** out that a man has these powers. what does he stand for? who does he fight for? who could he destroy with a SNEEZE? play the political angles of this.

there is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much to deal with superman that it is insane to me that we havent gotten a moviethat completely kicks ass

another "surprise twist" could be, as others suggested, and if someone like cavieval or hamm gets the job. is that superman has been superman for 60-70 years and he is completely bored and gives up, like in kingdom come only to return and kickass, even though all hi peeps have died.

ANYWAYS!!!
sorry that was long

[mrajan]

I bet you Nolan turns Superman into a regular dude. I don't see how you could do that and still make a Superman movie, but I just got this hunch. And, I also officially have an awful feeling about this movie.

[LaraLane]

This is odd to have as a separate thread but i will bite. If Nolan does not make Clark a regular relatable guy, then the movie will fail.

[NotFadeAway]

Nm.....

[elgaz]

Bull

If Clark isn't made a relatable guy, the movie will fail to connect yet again. The general audience likes to relate to characters no matter who it is. So thats what must happen. Seriously, whats one of the biggest complaints about Superman/Clark from the general audience? That they can't relate with him, therefor they find the character boring. It's created a bad stigma. Clark being relatable can erase that.

Did you read LaraLane's post? He/She is saying exactly the same thing.

[NotFadeAway]

Did you read LaraLane's post? He/She is saying exactly the same thing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I missed the "not"............

Apologies to LaraLane.

[Alonsovich]

You know what!
I think the dude is overrated

his latest movie not so original
I haven't seen it yet !
but we've got the matrix according to some
and don't forget
the Cell
a movie with Jennifer Lopez

so much for originality

/Close thread.

Inception 2: The Cell Matrix directed by Christopher Nolan...:o

:doh:

[gdw]

If they go this route, I don't want Superman/Clark being aware of his heritage, completely in the dark until the third act. Write it off as Kal=El's baby ship getting damaged and the only way to fix it is with Braniac technology.

Interesting, especially if Kal-el's actions to repair his ship are what bring about Brainiac.

[db85usa]

I think there is a strong possibility we may see a trilogy based on Dan Jurgens vision. "The best selling Superman comic book of all-time." The Death of Superman, World Without Superman (Funeral For A Friend), The Return of Superman, with the main villains being Doomsday, the impostors Steel, Superboy, Cyborg supes, etc.

It would be epic to see Superman's funeral onscreen, Batman (Bale), Green Lantern (Reynolds) cameos.

I think they will go with this very dark version of Supes. It has a lot of major conflicts that can be established on film and it's something that has never been done although the idea has been flirted around with.