Tom Welling To Wear the Superman Returns Suit

[DIRECTOR]

very interesting, I'm excited!!

Confirmed at Comic con!!

[Man of Tomorrow]

It's confirmed it's being used as a prop.

Not confirmed Tom Welling is wearing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHulhdJFPg

[Brainiac 8]

Also, they've said the suit will be an altered version of the SR suit...so hopefully they'll fix the stuff that made the SR suit so blah.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Alright.

Show me again where they mention they've supposedly altered the suit?

I can't find that anywhere.


It looks exactly the same to me.




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[DIRECTOR]

the emblem looks a tad bigger, the real SR suit if you look closely is full of "S"'s, so, I think they will leave that part out of Smallville since it's presumed Momma Kent made the suit

[Gold Samurai]

The suit we see in the trailer is an unaltered prop they used. They haven't changed it yet.

Clark- Mom what were you thinking? Small \S/ under the boot? in the fabric? I'm changing some of it if you don't mind.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yep. It hasn't been altered or changed at all.

[Kevin Roegele]

In the Smallville shot, the cape is clearly a different, more flexible material, and the red certainly looks brighter.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The cape may be different.

As I suggested earlier it may be the often reused Warrior Angel prop, also worn by Oliver in "Identity."

That cape is quite red.


The suit is the same from SR however. Its an unaltered prop from the Features Department.

[SpideyVille]

The cape may be different.

As I suggested earlier it may be the often reused Warrior Angel prop, also worn by Oliver in "Identity."

That cape is quite red.


The suit is the same from SR however. Its an unaltered prop from the Features Department.
Actually, Oliver didn't wear a cape. It was added with CGI afterwards. But if that's how they want the cape to look like, then they'll go with the Warrior cape and not the one from SR.

[B]

He hasn't been confirmed to be wearing anything, the suit is the one from Superman Returns with a different looking cape.. however its not really a good enough picture to tell if the suit has been altered slightly (as perhaps prematurely reported), however at this stage that suit is only a prop.. plenty of time for them to make any alterations based on any fan feedback they come accross.

Which I believe they did do in regards to the 'Blur' outfit, wasn't it pretty much universally said that the \S/ was very low on the t-shirt Clark wore for the first 2 episodes of last season & it was instantly corrected and the \S/ was raised an inch or two.. minor detail of course but when you think about it 2 or 3 minor changes to the Superman Returns suit & it would have been twice as good..

[TimDrakeRobin45]

He will be wearing a suit but the one seen in the trailer is NOT going to be it. That was just used for the trailer cause it was on hand. The suit for the show has not even been started yet. Keep a weather eye out for something soon though.

[TheLongestDay]

He will be wearing a suit but the one seen in the trailer is NOT going to be it. That was just used for the trailer cause it was on hand. The suit for the show has not even been started yet. Keep a weather eye out for something soon though.

I hope youre right,dyou mind me asking how you know this? (im not being a dick when I say that Im just genuinely curious)

[DavidB1111]

Also, from what I heard, in episode 2 he'll get a bit more of a colorful outfit, so I imagine he would start wearing the suit then.

They really can't wait until the last episode to make him fly/wear the suit!

[Original Spawn]

I think that he is going to wear the suit in the 1st or 2nd episode.

[\S/uperman]

We already spend a full day talking about this in comic con thread :confused:

[Prison Mike]

But why would he end up wearing a different suit than the one Martha gave him?

[Original Spawn]

I double the question.

[zerohour films]

Sir I shall triple your question...this is what I can't get my head around.

I was never a fan of the proto suits for Superman, but now that we know the real suit is ready for flight I understand it even less.

Can't wait for the explanation.

[SpideyVille]

I could picture them doing something like this only with Lois instead of his parents, where he tries it on or references that he tried it on but was too embarrassed to wear it. After all, Clark did say that the Oliver should've lost the cape when he dressed up as the RBB.
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[\S/uperman]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=338590&page=13

[Kryptonian Warrior]

OK, the lady on the Comic Con Panel ( I can't remember her name ) said that it WAS the suit from SR and then one of the other guys on the panel jumped in and said that "we might see Tom in a little different change up from the black last year". So i interpret that as the SR suit was used for promo purposes only, and that they will put their own spin on the suit as the season progresses.

[Zorex]

Sir I shall triple your question...this is what I can't get my head around.

I was never a fan of the proto suits for Superman, but now that we know the real suit is ready for flight I understand it even less.

Can't wait for the explanation.
Maybe Lois steals it, and Clark tries to re-create it himself, with minor success. :p

[Kal-El Fan]

Alright.

Show me again where they mention they've supposedly altered the suit?

I can't find that anywhere.


It looks exactly the same to me.
It looks like they changed the "S" to me. When we saw the S-Shield from these angles/distances in SR, you could see the micro "S's" all over it. I don't see them here. Also I don't see the diamond pattern, but you could almost never see it in SR either, so that doesn't really tell us anything. IF it is altered, that would appear to be the only change so far. Maybe they mean that they WILL be using an altered form of the SR suit. As in, they haven't finished it yet.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Actually, Oliver didn't wear a cape. It was added with CGI afterwards. But if that's how they want the cape to look like, then they'll go with the Warrior cape and not the one from SR.

It looked CGI in that last glory shot of Oliver as Blue Arrow and the stunt jump but during the scenes before... it looked like he had a cape prop attached to his back.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6840/oliverblue.jpg

When they show Superman in the finale, the cape will obviously be CGI again. If they want all out to make it look that way for Oliver in a fake suit, they have to do it for the real deal.


So whatever the cape looks like now, on the prop.. is irrelevant. CG cape.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It looks like they changed the "S" to me. When we saw the S-Shield from these angles/distances in SR, you could see the micro "S's" all over it. I don't see them here. Also I don't see the diamond pattern, but you could almost never see it in SR either, so that doesn't really tell us anything. IF it is altered, that would appear to be the only change so far. Maybe they mean that they WILL be using an altered form of the SR suit. As in, they haven't finished it yet.

You do realize you're looking at a low quality blurry image captured by a camera during a screening....

You won't be able to see the micro \S/ parts. Heck, you can't even see them on that better quality screenshot of Bomer's shield (in the same costume) in the pic I posted.

[Man of Tomorrow]

OK, the lady on the Comic Con Panel ( I can't remember her name ) said that it WAS the suit from SR and then one of the other guys on the panel jumped in and said that "we might see Tom in a little different change up from the black last year". So i interpret that as the SR suit was used for promo purposes only, and that they will put their own spin on the suit as the season progresses.


People misinterpreted it all wrong.

The entire panel is online.

They said that IS the Superman Returns suit that Brandon Routh wore. They never said they altered it, which they clearly didn't.



They also said Clark would get a more colorful change from the black of last year (and we now have it confirmed that it's coming in episode 2...interestingly titled "Shield").. likely a new Red Blue Blur outfit ... (as they're doing episode 3 now and Tom claims he never saw the SR suit yet).

[Donut]

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[Man of Tomorrow]

There you go, Routh's tights and shield exactly... unaltered.

You can see the texture on the shield. It's been taken directly from the features dept as a prop.

[epc11223]

how do we know it's just a prop? i don't remember hearing them say it was just for the trailer. have a feeling this is closer to what we'll get than some people may want.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Brandon barely fit into that suit when he was much leaner. He had to stay thin or he'd bust the seams. It's on the DVD.

There's no way Welling would fit into that, unless they tailored a completely new suit just for Tom.... which would defy the logic of pulling the Superman Returns suit from the Features Dept.

So yes, it is just a prop.

[KalKai]

I'm more curious to see what he'll be wearing by the second episode. And yes, the SR suit is merely a prop for now, we'll see it once or more times and that's it.

They could have more than 1 suit at their disposal, we don't know that.

[The Caped Knight]

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The lighting of the S much brighter than in the SR film .

[SpideyVille]

I believe it is a prop just for the purpose of the episode. It's not a prop in terms of Clark hanging it on his mantle for all to see. It just something they used for the episode, which is why they said the real suit used will be slightly altered. For all we know, they could be working on a custom suit just for Tom but couldn't have it ready in time for the actual filming, or for the teaser.

[Man of Tomorrow]

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The lighting of the S much brighter than in the SR film .


Yep.

As I said before SV has different camera filters.

SV has a bright orange look to the show, especially evident in Barn and DP scenes.

Bryan Singer used a darker tone camera color filter.

[Man of Tomorrow]

which is why they said the real suit used will be slightly altered.

Again.

For the 100th time, they never said they were doing any altering of that suit.

[The Caped Knight]

So what your saying is that had the lighting been handled better the suit would've looked much more like the Classic light Red and Blue ?

[Kryptonian Warrior]

People misinterpreted it all wrong.

The entire panel is online.

They said that IS the Superman Returns suit that Brandon Routh wore. They never said they altered it, which they clearly didn't.



They also said Clark would get a more colorful change from the black of last year (and we now have it confirmed that it's coming in episode 2...interestingly titled "Shield").. likely a new Red Blue Blur outfit ... (as they're doing episode 3 now and Tom claims he never saw the SR suit yet).
You misinterpreted what I said. I said WAS because she has already said that statement, therefore it WAS meant in past tense. I never said that they altered it, and that he is going to wear different from last years black outfit. So we agree on this. :woot:

[Man of Tomorrow]

So what your saying is that had the lighting been handled better the suit would've looked much more like the Classic light Red and Blue ?

Look back a page.

In the Bomer commerical which used the exact same suit, those are the colors of the actual suit.

Still somewhat dark compared to the bright Reeve suit but lighting makes all the difference. SV's filters will make them look more contrasted and red.

SV does that often. Heck in some footage, people's skintones look orange under SV's filters. There's a high contrast level... so I'm sure it will help.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

So what your saying is that had the lighting been handled better the suit would've looked much more like the Classic light Red and Blue ?
Absolutely! Singer said that he used a "classic" filter which would tone down the colors, to give it that old timey look to the film. Now why he would want to do that is beyond me. But anyways. I will stop there, because I got *****ed at yesterday for mentioning SR in the Smallville forum.

[The Caped Knight]

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Well it's definitely the same \S/ from Salvation .

[epc11223]

Brandon barely fit into that suit when he was much leaner. He had to stay thin or he'd bust the seams. It's on the DVD.

There's no way Welling would fit into that, unless they tailored a completely new suit just for Tom.... which would defy the logic of pulling the Superman Returns suit from the Features Dept.

So yes, it is just a prop.

that doesn't really hold true to them not using the superman returns suit on smallville because matthew bomer wore the superman returns suit in those thirty second car commercials. it's not directly the exact suit but it's probably something very similar to it. but at this point i don't think anyone's ever said if it was merely a prop or if that's the suit they're using. but the symbol at the end of the trailer is the one they've been using as the smallville version of the s. only time will tell :o(

[Man of Tomorrow]

Bomer did wear Routh's suit in the car commercials, but what's your point?

Bomer's a skinny little man. Obviously he wouldn't come close to busting the seams on Routh's suit.

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[epc11223]

point is, it's not going to the be exact same suit. there were alot made for the movie. it could just be a halloween costumed version of the suit for all we know. whether bomer is skinny or not is irrelevant because he's not as tall either to routh and it just wouldn't fit. someone who's like 5"10 isn't going to fit into something that was meant for someone three/four inches taller. it's not meant to be taken literally the exact one that routh wore but the design that was used for him, but with probably a few alterations.

[Man of Tomorrow]

In the panel they did say it was from Superman Returns....

But what would be the logic of them of making a new suit customized to fit Welling but using the same design as Superman Returns?

It seems more logical and likely they just grabbed it from the features division and it is being used as a prop.

[Kal-El Fan]

...

[Kal-El Fan]

People misinterpreted it all wrong.

The entire panel is online.

They said that IS the Superman Returns suit that Brandon Routh wore. They never said they altered it, which they clearly didn't.


Ah, well then there you go. I do think that the final suit will be based on Routh's, though, unless the suit for the new film leaks before the use one on Smallville. The reason I say that is, judging from the fact that they use it Prius commercials (other than budget reasons), THIS IS THE LIVE ACTION SUPERMAN SUIT, period. They may have used this in the commercial and on SV for the sake of consistency. When the new movie comes out, this will of course change, but barring that, I think the SV suit will be very similar to the SR suit. There's also the Donner connection that they share.

I do think Smallville would want to use their own version of the shield for the final suit though.

[SpideyVille]

It's funny because I remember when Salvation aired, people were complaining that the suit on the CGI Supes looked just like the one from SR. Well now we know where they based the design.

[zerohour films]

It's funny because I remember when Salvation aired, people were complaining that the suit on the CGI Supes looked just like the one from SR. Well now we know where they based the design.

Yep, that's one of the first things I thought of when I heard SR suit.

I know I was one of the ones saying that it was just dark because of shadowing or they may have just borrowed an SR cgi model due to time constraints and that scene being a last minute add-on and that it couldn't possibly be the SR suit used in the end...who woulda thunk it.

I guess will see later this year what he ends up in (altered, unaltered, etc.)

[\S/uperman]

It would be weird though cause many of the SV diehard fans have complained about the SR costume to no end (I never liked it either and still don't). Now that it appeared on the show I guess acceptance of it is sort of forced when you are a fan.

[KalKai]

Lots of people have complained about it.

Acceptance of it being a prop on set, yes, for now. It looks nice on the show, and I'll like it even more if Tom gets to wear it near the end. We'll see. :D

[Man of Tomorrow]

It would be weird though cause many of the SV diehard fans have complained about the SR costume to no end (I never liked it either and still don't). Now that it appeared on the show I guess acceptance of it is sort of forced when you are a fan.

Smallville can get away with it.


The movies can't. Apples and Oranges.


Imagine the fanboy-driven mass murder if Clark wore a black trenchcoat and t-shirt in the movies :oldrazz:

[Webhead2006]

well to be techical the suit has already via the producers have been stated to be an altered SR suit. So partially yes its the SR suit, which i did personally hate alot in that film on top of all the other things that was terrible from the film. But this suit is a little different. First it has bolder colors, the cape does look to be a little different that that shower curtain mess Sr suit was. Plus we have no clue what the boots/trunks/belt look like. So smallville costume guys could have easily altered those parts of the suit. Plus if tom is wearing this suit it will have to be altered to fit him better in length/width since he has a different body type then routh had at the time he wore the costume. As for cape and all that i do hope they dont cgi again like the red/blue ollie fake blur deal from season 8.

[Man of Tomorrow]

well to be techical the suit has already via the producers have been stated to be an altered SR suit

Okay....

FOR ****'S SAKE, The producers NEVER stated the SR/Routh suit from the trailer is altered!!

It isn't at all. You can see it in HQ now.

:dry: Why is everyone repeating the same misinformation....

[Webhead2006]

well sorry i thought i read in one of the interviews they said it was some slight alters. Though even if tom was to wear the actual SR suit it would have to be altered to fit him. Since routh and welling have two different body types and width/lengths on arms/legs and all that. Plus like i said even if they did have the SR suit they could easily made modifications to parts like trunks/belts/boots to be different then the SR suit.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Tom won't be wearing *that* suit. It's just being used as a prop.

The suit would need to be remade and tailored to fit Tom, a new suit. The SR one barely fit Brandon when he was much thinner.

And they didn't mention altering the suit at SDCC. Look back at the previous posts in this thread.

The suit is currently exactly the same. They *may* have added Warrior Angel's cape, that's about it.

[SpideyVille]

I think people keep saying it's altered because that's what one of the tweets said while the panel was going on. Once again, proving why you can't always believe what you see on the internet. And besides, i think the even if the producers said it was "slightly altered" they would probably just be referring to the cape as opposed to the actual costume.

[KalKai]

That's what Newsarama said yes. I don't think they made that up themselves.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It seemed like it was just the on-lookers like Craig from K-site and whatnot who said straight up it was an 'altered' SR suit.

At the panel, this was all Brian and Kelly said on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHulhdJFPg

[SpitCurl]

What they said ^. Whether "altered" applies to the trailer is sort of meaningless.

I doubt there's a powder-blue miliskin suit in the warner costume dept that'd fit Tom's big ass frame off the rack. So, technically-speaking, even if they went with the exact same design/material, it'd have to be "altered" just to fit the guy.

And again, like they said, the suit isn't one piece. There's no reason to think that when they're ready to have Tom try it they couldn't make modifications to the remaining pieces, whether it be something as subtle as trunk placement, or revamping the shield to look more like the SV logo, switching out the cape, boots, etc.

While the trailer shot might not be altered, Tom (if he puts it on at all) will by necessity be wearing an "altered" suit, false quote be d*mned.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Well obviously it would have to be a different suit for Tom.

I thought the tights are one piece. I saw Brandon putting it on like a wetsuit.

[SpitCurl]

By "not one piece", I was referring to the boots, cape, etc.

[The Caped Knight]

I think the suit that Tom will eventually wear in the series finale will be an alter suit more than the actual Superman Returns suit. But the suit in the box is probably just a prop from SR with just the t-shirt part not the boots or belt and the cape is most definitely not the SR rubber cape but more like the cloth cape from "Action" .

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yeah Spit,

I'm sure those could be changed, though I'm skeptical whether Brian/Kelly would feel the need to even do that.

They aren't obsessive fanboys who go ape**** over trivial costume details.

[Webhead2006]

well what ever the case, the Sr suit looks better here then in SR. And if its just going to be a prop then its ok. I hope the real deal will be something good.

[The Caped Knight]

well what ever the case, the Sr suit looks better here then in SR. And if its just going to be a prop then its ok. I hope the real deal will be something good.
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The lighting is much brighter . See in the film it darker
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[SpideyVille]

I was looking for that image from SR for a while but I couldn't find it.

But the gif looks like it's been colored too much. Here's how it looked in the HQ trailer. Almost the same aside from the cape.

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[BizarroAids]

I guess I don't see the point of the complaints of the suit.:csad:

Haven't we all said we wanted the suit in the final season? We're getting it, whether he wears it or not. I think what was in the box looks great, and Tom could be in a Lois and Clark suit, and I'd still love it.

Preview looks fantastic. I can't wait for S10:woot:

[DIRECTOR]

anybody have the commercial of Matthew Bomer wearing the Superman suit?

Edit, nevermind, find it on youtube

[Original Spawn]

I really want the suit in this final seasonn.

[Mandrill]

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The lighting is much brighter . See in the film it darker
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When you see it like that you have to wonder what the hell Singer was thinking by using the filter he did....

I think it's obviously a prop at the moment as the suit's they use in superhero movies are tailored for the individual so I highly doubt it will fit TW.The best they could do is have him wear it under a shirt just to do a ripped shirt revel on the S.

[LostSon88]

I guess I don't see the point of the complaints of the suit.:csad:

Haven't we all said we wanted the suit in the final season? We're getting it, whether he wears it or not. I think what was in the box looks great, and Tom could be in a Lois and Clark suit, and I'd still love it.

Preview looks fantastic. I can't wait for S10:woot:

Exactly. They finally give us what we want (the suit!) and yet we still find a way to complain...

:dry:

[Syncos]

It would be weird though cause many of the SV diehard fans have complained about the SR costume to no end (I never liked it either and still don't). Now that it appeared on the show I guess acceptance of it is sort of forced when you are a fan.

Hell no.
I'm a huge Smallville fan. have been for years.
But I sure as hell don't accept everything they do. They've made some bad decisions. I like to move on and try to forget about them. And appreciate what's good about the show.

It would be a horrible miss-step for them to not make some alterations to the design of the Returns suit. Even fans of that movie have complained about some colors and costume elements. Since they'd need to pretty much build an entirely new suit for Welling, it would be a good time to take some of the criticisms of the suit and fix them.

It was pretty clear they were going to at least base their costume on Returns. It was after all the last live action Superman. But now is most certainly the time to make some improvements.

[Prison Mike]

I honestly don't see what's so wrong with the suit. I'm just happy he may be wearing a Superman suit if at all.

[Webhead2006]

oh totally i been like that for yrs. what the heck was singer thinking with his costume folks for SR. But back to smallville, the sr suit does look like i said better here then SR. And i wonder how smallville's finalized one will ultimately all turn out.

[Original Spawn]

He suit is great for me, i don´t know why people hate it so much.

[Webhead2006]

well there was many issues with it, ranging from colors, the small 3d S shield, the way the boots look, the cut of the trunks, the belt with The S shield on it, The suit having thousands of little S's all over it, the small neckline, and shower curtain looking cape.

[Original Spawn]

I´m tired of people judging the colours, thay are red and blue so they are for superman.

[Webhead2006]

well in the film and certain set photos it looked more teal and maroon(brown) then bold blue/reds like we have seen in sv for yrs.

[elgaz]

A lot of the colour problems with the suit stemmed from the ridiculous filter which they applied in post production. For anyone doubting that, have a look at this video of footage taken before they applied the filter - look how bright his suit is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbLVKW4GI2M

Obviously though, the choice of red they chose for his cape, trunks, etc, was still a lot darker than what we had seen previously on comics, TV and film. The filters didn't cause this, they merely exaggerated the effect to the point that it looked like he was wearing an almost brown-coloured cape.

Asides from the neckline, I've no other major problems with the suit. Hopefully they will lighten the colour a little for Smallville and lower the neckline. As regards the tiny 'S' symbols patterned all over the suit, they're only visible up close anyway so it's hardly a huge issue.

Just as an example, here's a chop I made of Welling some time back - I used the SR suit as a reference but brightened the colours. Hopefully this will be something similar to how it's presented on screen.

http://www.revheadz.net/superman.jpg

[Mandrill]

The boots really are dumb ..look at the heels on it ! I could understand if they cast Tom Cruise as Superman !!

[Man of Tomorrow]

I honestly don't see what's so wrong with the suit. I'm just happy he may be wearing a Superman suit if at all.

Agreed.


And it's just speculation at this point that the visual aspects of the SR suit will be altered for Smallville.

It certainly wasn't in the trailer.


It seemed like the Superman CG rendering from "Salvation" was Returns-inspired in style, I wonder if that was intentional and they knew they'd use this suit.

[MAN O STEEL]

Just a quick manip I did, with what I feel they'll adjust to the Returns suit once Welling puts it on. I also changed the body shape to more match Welling's physique. Not my best work, but it's 5 in the morning & I'm tired.

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Steve

[The Incredible Hulk]

The suit you see in that box is merely a prop for the time being, not a costume Welling will be wearing. It was used basically because it required nothing to produce it and the \S/ from SR looks similar enough to the one Smallville has already established that it wouldnt be noticeable for the 8 and 1/2 seconds of screen time it's going to get.

For those of you who think most of us have changed our opinion on the suit from SR, we havent. Had Welling been in SR I still wouldve thought the suit was lame for all the reasons we've stated ad nauseum in here that I dont care to repeat again.

I will however be happy if Tom put's on that suit as opposed to not putting on one at all. In many people's eyes (who IMO are wrong), he's not "Superman" in their eyes until he slaps on tights. I wonder how they'll rationalize things once the final "barrier" to Welling being a "real Superman" falls? And if it's in Mr. One and Done's tights no less? Will they finally begrudgingly acknowledge him?

Really though, especially from the interviews that TPTB have given, it sounds like if TW does don a pair of tights, it will be an altered version of one of the SR costumes. Much cheaper to ra-taylor an outfit than create one from scratch. Give that suit Smallville's bright color palette, open up the neckline a bit, and make the "manties" a bit bigger and you might have something there.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Incredible Hulk,


Clark, in the comics, wore the tights and flew BEFORE being known as Superman and taking on that title. He was just a mysterious figure at that point, but he was still in the blue tights.


Clark becomes "Superman" when he goes public. When he is "revealed to the world" and the Daily Planet releases the report that names him Superman.



Keeping that in mind, they *could* have had Tom wear the tights in these upcoming episodes of S10 while still not being 'Superman' yet.

However, it seems like they're sticking with their "No flights, No tights" gameplan.

[Gold Samurai]

If they're going to be this cheap my prediction of Superman shooting out of the fortress with Wellings head CGI'd on a superman suit will unfold.

[Man of Tomorrow]

They are likely going to CGI the cape like they did for Oliver in "Identity."

So it is within the realm of possibilities that they may CGI the suit/tights too on Tom.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Incredible Hulk,


Clark, in the comics, wore the tights and flew BEFORE being known as Superman and taking on that title. He was just a mysterious figure at that point, but he was still in the blue tights.


Clark becomes "Superman" when he goes public. When he is "revealed to the world" and the Daily Planet releases the report that names him Superman.

.

I'm well aware of the comics history and how he was named in them. My post above was merely referring to the people who say "Welling isnt Superman" and their #1 reason is always because he's never donned the costume. Their the ones who likely need to pick up the books.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yeah, they do need to brush up.

It's even the same in the animated series. He goes around saving people in the tights before going public as "Superman."

Revealing himself to the world is what will define Clark as Superman, not wearing the tights lol.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

I hope youre right,dyou mind me asking how you know this? (im not being a dick when I say that Im just genuinely curious)

He will not be wearing the SR suit, period. The one in the trailer was a stand in only they had it available. The suit for the show has not been made yet. It is still in the design phase. I know a few people who work for the show and that is all I will so as I can not get any one into trouble. The exact quote i was given was "You didn't think that Tom welling was going to wear tights did you?" so the suit will not likely be spandex. More likely a form fitting leather suit like Lee Bermejo's designs.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Or just CGI-ed.


Would they actually go as far as to make a new leather-based suit, that would obviously look different from the SR one seen, just for the final shot of the series? Seems like an obvious waste.

[TimDrakeRobin45]

will likely be leather and it wont just be for the final shot

[DavidB1111]

I'm also of the opinion that it won't be just a one time thing.

They would be wasting a lot of energy, if they only showed him wearing the suit at the very end.
Not to mention, you're supposed to reward the viewers of your TV show. :)
Without them viewing you, you wouldn't have 10 seasons...

And besides, unlike the comics, TV shows don't commonly do fan-service. :)
So, it would be a good idea if Smallville has him wear the suit sooner rather than later.

But hey, I can't affect reality, :) so I'll just wait and see what happens.

[TheLongestDay]

Just a quick manip I did, with what I feel they'll adjust to the Returns suit once Welling puts it on. I also changed the body shape to more match Welling's physique. Not my best work, but it's 5 in the morning & I'm tired.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8289/34xpbb6v2welling.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/34xpbb6v2welling.jpg/)

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Steve

Id be more than happy with that.

I always said that with just a few adjustments the SR suit woulda been fine,Im guessing thats what they will do.

[the gael]

My complaints with the SR suit were the small shield and the colors. Hopefully in the trailer, the shield didn't seems small (in fact, not as small as he was on Routh chest). And with some brightest color, I will like it.

[B]

My main complaint of the SR suit was the colors..

Everything else such as the materials, S on belt, no S on cape, S's everywhere!, high neckline etc are all design/preference issues. While it isn't my favourite design, I can tolerate the suit.

When you see Bomer in the same/similar suit in that commercial it instantly looks better/more Superman like because the colors are slightly better.. they aren't perfect in my eyes, but they at least look closer to being correct.

[DavidB1111]

Maybe I just like the olden days, but what was wrong with a Christopher Reeve style suit?

I don't know. I liked Superman returns, it's just, if the show isn't trying to make Clark Kent into Silver Age Superman in all his planet juggling glory, :), why base it off of Superman Returns, which was based on Silver Age Superman, or Bronze Age. OR even Christopher Reeve's. I don't understand.

"Ugh, I'm struggling with this bank vault door, me, who once tossed planets around like marbles!" Bronze Age Superman.

They either need to go and give him Silver Age power levels, or give him a completely redesigned suit, that looks nothing like Silver Age.
Consistency, it is the key to success.

[Kevin Roegele]

I wonder if, when we finally see him don the suit, we will also hear the John Williams Superman theme, which has been used in the series before.

[Kevin Roegele]

Maybe I just like the olden days, but what was wrong with a Christopher Reeves style suit?

I don't know. I liked Superman returns, it's just, if the show isn't trying to make Clark Kent into Silver Age Superman in all his planet juggling glory, :), why base it off of Superman Returns, which was based on Silver Age Superman, or Bronze Age. OR even Christopher Reeve's. I don't understand.

"Ugh, I'm struggling with this bank vault door, me, who once tossed planets around like marbles!" Bronze Age Superman.

They either need to go and give him Silver Age power levels, or give him a completely redesigned suit, that looks nothing like Silver Age.
Consistency, it is the key to success.


:huh:

[Mace Dolex]

Wow after writing off the show as mediocre years ago they're finally giving into the fanboy demands and putting the suit into the show.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Maybe I just like the olden days, but what was wrong with a Christopher Reeves style suit?

I don't know. I liked Superman returns, it's just, if the show isn't trying to make Clark Kent into Silver Age Superman in all his planet juggling glory, :), why base it off of Superman Returns, which was based on Silver Age Superman, or Bronze Age. OR even Christopher Reeve's. I don't understand..

The man's name was REEVE

[MAN O STEEL]

Just finished this a few mins ago. Maybe not 100% accurate but a good idea what he may look like once they adjust the costume enough to fit welling.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4144/supermanjakerowellchars.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/supermanjakerowellchars.jpg/)

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Steve

[DavidB1111]

Sorry, Kevin, I was just wondering why give him a Silver Age based suit, if he's not going to be that powerful.

Why not come up with their own way of making the suit? They don't need to base it off of anything else.

I see Christopher Reeve, and Brandon Routh, in their suits, and I think, that's Silver Age.
I see something like this, http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image_cover/Superman_82_help_Jews.jpg and I think Modern Age.

Hulk, don't get mad at me for a typo! Sorry. Everyone makes mistakes!

[Prison Mike]

I'm not getting the whole "SR suit = Silver age" thing. :huh:

[DavidB1111]

Okay...I'm bad at explaining things, so I apologize. :)

Silver Age Superman is what Christopher Reeve played in the movies.
When I see that suit of his, I think of Silver Age.

When I see Brandon Routh as Superman, and see him lifting up a continent of Kryptonite/normal rock, I know they're going for a Silver Age level of power for him as well. That and they said that it takes place after the first two movies.

So, when I see both those suits, I immediately associated them with Silver Age Superman. So, if Smallville is going to borrow heavily from those suits, I would like them to make him Silver Age Superman, because that is what I think of when I see that suit.

For reference, Doomsday couldn't begin to even scratch Silver Age Superman. :)
Darkseid would fear Silver Age Superman. :)
Actually, I believe Nekron, creator of the Black Lanterns (evil overlord, and aspect of God) would be scared of Silver Age Superman. And Nekron could kill Darkseid just by looking at him and saying "Die."

[Kevin Roegele]

Wow after writing off the show as mediocre years ago they're finally giving into the fanboy demands and putting the suit into the show.

Hardly. This is the end of the show so of course he becomes Superman.

[DavidB1111]

Also, he was always going to put on the suit towards the end.
I just hope we don't have to wait until the very last episode.

[Kevin Roegele]

Okay...I'm bad at explaining things, so I apologize. :)

Silver Age Superman is what Christopher Reeve played in the movies.
When I see that suit of his, I think of Silver Age.

When I see Brandon Routh as Superman, and see him lifting up a continent of Kryptonite/normal rock, I know they're going for a Silver Age level of power for him as well. That and they said that it takes place after the first two movies.

So, when I see both those suits, I immediately associated them with Silver Age Superman. So, if Smallville is going to borrow heavily from those suits, I would like them to make him Silver Age Superman, because that is what I think of when I see that suit.

For reference, Doomsday couldn't begin to even scratch Silver Age Superman. :)
Darkseid would fear Silver Age Superman. :)
Actually, I believe Nekron, creator of the Black Lanterns (evil overlord, and aspect of God) would be scared of Silver Age Superman. And Nekron could kill Darkseid just by looking at him and saying "Die."

I think you're thinking too hard about this.

I suggest you forget trying to put movie and TV versions of Superman into comic catagories like Silver and Bronze Age because it doesn't fit. Smallville is it's own version of Superman. The Reeve movies is a seperate version of Superman. And so on. Sure, they are all influenced by certain eras of the comics - Superman Lives would have been very similar to the 90's Superman comics and nothing like the 50's - but to say one screen version is definitively one comicbook version isn't going to tie up.

[DavidB1111]

Except that Christopher Reeve's Superman was based on Silver Age. :)

But yeah, you do have a point. I shouldn't think too much about it. My apologies. Maybe I should change my title to "thinks too much?"
And while Smallville is a separate entity, I would like them to settle on something. Like what power does he have?

[TheLongestDay]

If indeed they do put him in a "Lee Bermejo" style suit - then if done right that could look awesome!

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/wc2superman2.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/superman-dc-wednesday.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/390878so.jpg

[Man of Tomorrow]

That's how I envision the Nolan suit would look like.

Would work for a dark and gritty Superman take.

[Webhead2006]

Ya from what we are been told it does look like right now the routh suit is just a prop and even when tom does don a full suit. it would have to be a bit different then routh's suit even if they used routh's suit. First they would def fix the colors, change the cape likely, have a different type of boots and trunks/belt. Then it would have to be tailored to fit welling's body. Since both tom and brandon have two different types of body frames and all that.

[SpideyVille]

I'm beginning to wonder what is really the big deal about Welling possibly wearing the SR suit. I mean I understand that SV fans would prefer their own suit, and that the SR suit wasn't exactly the most faithful to the comics or to an ideal costume because of the colors and the size of the shield,etc. But if you think about it, had Welling been cast in SR and agreed to wear the suit, he would've been wearing the same one that Routh wore. So it is really just because its the suit from SR or is it something more.

I mean personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Tom wear the suit, but of course I would like to see them make little changes to improve the look, but if it's about budget and they choose to use this one as is, as opposed to maybe not using a suit at all, then I'm all for the SR suit. After all, a "bad suit" is still better than none at all. And after 10 years, I think Tom has earned the right to don the cape and costume, even if it'ss just for one episode or one shot.

[Kevin Roegele]

Except that Christopher Reeve's Superman was based on Silver Age. :)


Absolutely. Based on. That's my point. But Reeve wasn't 'Silver Age Superman'. Based on Silver Age Superman.

There are plenty of elements of Bronze Age Superman in the movies, and Superman IV goes into John Byrne territory as well.


But yeah, you do have a point. I shouldn't think too much about it. My apologies. Maybe I should change my title to "thinks too much?"
And while Smallville is a separate entity, I would like them to settle on something. Like what power does he have?

No, I apologize. This is the sort of thing I think about and find very intresting. I think the movies and Smallville tend to be more based on the general public idea of Superman rather than any specific comic era. Lois & Clark was quite clearly based on The Man of Steel, with the Kents alive and Clark as the real person. For me, the most intresting thing (after seeing Welling play Superman and if the Williams theme will be used) is what will be Smallville's approach; Clark as the real person, or Superman? Or a brand new approach?

[Kevin Roegele]

I'm beginning to wonder what is really the big deal about Welling possibly wearing the SR suit. I mean I understand that SV fans would prefer their own suit, and that the SR suit wasn't exactly the most faithful to the comics or to an ideal costume because of the colors and the size of the shield,etc. But if you think about it, had Welling been cast in SR and agreed to wear the suit, he would've been wearing the same one that Routh wore. So it is really just because its the suit from SR or is it something more.

I mean personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Tom wear the suit, but of course I would like to see them make little changes to improve the look, but if it's about budget and they choose to use this one as is, as opposed to maybe not using a suit at all, then I'm all for the SR suit. After all, a "bad suit" is still better than none at all. And after 10 years, I think Tom has earned the right to don the cape and costume, even if it'ss just for one episode or one shot.

I always assumed it would be the Returns costume used in Smallville. I mean, Smallville has always used the Superman movie logo. Clark's current black costume has the Returns-style small logo.

[JackMercy]

I'm beginning to wonder what is really the big deal about Welling possibly wearing the SR suit. I mean I understand that SV fans would prefer their own suit, and that the SR suit wasn't exactly the most faithful to the comics or to an ideal costume because of the colors and the size of the shield,etc. But if you think about it, had Welling been cast in SR and agreed to wear the suit, he would've been wearing the same one that Routh wore. So it is really just because its the suit from SR or is it something more.


If we're looking at this from a brick-oven perspective, one should perhaps consider the ingredients: if most other elements of the pie are homemade (or rather as Kevin has alluded: derived from "collective memories"), wouldn't it feel a little strange if you're being encouraged to...incorporate or "adopt" another specific proprietary or pre-contextualized ingredient into your own unique recipe/interpretation...? ;)

Even if said ingredient is not adopted in full, the implication that it could be has still created a certain kind of...consternation.

More particularly, try to think of it from an actor's perspective...and take a look at the Comic Con footage when that question is asked (and answered)...it's all in the body language, folks...

:word:

[JackMercy]

I always assumed it would be the Returns costume used in Smallville. I mean, Smallville has always used the Superman movie logo. Clark's current black costume has the Returns-style small logo.

To get ahh...semantic...perhaps, I would call it possibly smaller, but the Blur's black costume logo is not derived from Superman Returns' graphic design whatsoever...

:word:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville's always had it's own logo that while similar to the one in SR there are differences. I have a gif that comapres all of the S's somewhere. If I can find it, I'll repost it.

In the meantime, here's a few images:

Smallville's S:
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz113/montagemik/REDBADGENEWPNG.png

The SR S:
http://cdn.superherohype.com/nextraimages/supermanreturnsexclusivesmall.jpg

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I find it interesting to watch Tom's facial expressions at Comic Con when the writers stated that the suit (which he hadn't yet seen) was the one from SR. It seemed to me from his expression (which goes from calm, smiling & interested expression to the one we see on the video on you tube that makes it pretty obvious that he's bugged & that transition happens at the exact moment when they say it's the SR suit) that he didn't like it one bit. He probably knows (hell he probably hated that movie as well) how many ppl dislike that movie and especially that horrible suit.

[louiebling$]

Bleh to SR suit

[triplet]

The thing is, I think the main problem with the SR suit is that won't work with Tom's frame.

He has a broad, deep chest and a long neck... he can carry off the more traditional style more like what Christopher Reeve used.

The high neck was used because of the muscle suit that Brandon wore, a more open neck would look better just in general and Tom has a killer set of pecs and fantastic shoulders, upper back and arms: he can carry off a more traditional look.

From what we saw in the Comic Con footage (which still hasn't been posted on TheWB.com, despite promises), the shield looks bigger, but it's hard to say how different the logo looks without a closer look at it.

Since Tom hasn't even tried on the costume so they've not done any costume tests, I think it's too early to say what exaclty it will look like.

Once Tom pulls the suit on for the first time, things will likely need to be adjusted for his body so that it not only fits him, but suits his frame and build.

Things will definitely change, I have no doubt.

[DavidB1111]

Absolutely. Based on. That's my point. But Reeve wasn't 'Silver Age Superman'. Based on Silver Age Superman.

There are plenty of elements of Bronze Age Superman in the movies, and Superman IV goes into John Byrne territory as well.


No, I apologize. This is the sort of thing I think about and find very intresting. I think the movies and Smallville tend to be more based on the general public idea of Superman rather than any specific comic era. Lois & Clark was quite clearly based on The Man of Steel, with the Kents alive and Clark as the real person. For me, the most intresting thing (after seeing Welling play Superman and if the Williams theme will be used) is what will be Smallville's approach; Clark as the real person, or Superman? Or a brand new approach?

Yeah, I don't know about the Man of Steel that Lois and Clark was based on to be honest, but I imagine that's where they got his lack of being able to breathe in space for more than 20 minutes? Even John Bryne's vastly weakened Superman would laugh at him. :)

But, for Smallville? Clark is Kal-El first and foremost. Whether they'll make him more like the Silver Age, and have Superman come first, with the bumbling routine as Clark Kent to disguise it, or have him be Superman as the disguise, I don't know.

But Superman is the extreme case of whether your DNA is who you are ,or how you are raised.
After all, we do have Superman: Red Son. :)
And that story someone wrote a long time ago where Superman was a Nazi. And they still lost.
The only case where Kryptonite is useful. :)

And yes, the movies and Smallville do borrow a lot from the different ages.
Of course, the big deal with the John Bryne era, is that he mangled a few things in Action comics 592 and 593. In 1987. :) I don't think I can mention what happened there, really.
Jack Kirby got a bit angry. Jack Kirby created Darkseid and the New Gods, and Big Barda.

[DIRECTOR]

how the hell are they going to pull of Superman if Tom Welling hasn't been wearing glasses all this time. Do you guys remember last season, when they introduced the glasses, i thought that was a kool moment, but we don't see him wearing the glasses after that........ wtf

[Donut]

From what we saw in the Comic Con footage (which still hasn't been posted on TheWB.com, despite promises), the shield looks bigger, but it's hard to say how different the logo looks without a closer look at it

I think it is safe to say hoping that actually gets on TheWB.com is a lost cause

[spawnjack01]

The thing is, I think the main problem with the SR suit is that won't work with Tom's frame.

He has a broad, deep chest and a long neck... he can carry off the more traditional style more like what Christopher Reeve used.

The high neck was used because of the muscle suit that Brandon wore, a more open neck would look better just in general and Tom has a killer set of pecs and fantastic shoulders, upper back and arms: he can carry off a more traditional look.

From what we saw in the Comic Con footage (which still hasn't been posted on TheWB.com, despite promises), the shield looks bigger, but it's hard to say how different the logo looks without a closer look at it.

Since Tom hasn't even tried on the costume so they've not done any costume tests, I think it's too early to say what exaclty it will look like.

Once Tom pulls the suit on for the first time, things will likely need to be adjusted for his body so that it not only fits him, but suits his frame and build.

Things will definitely change, I have no doubt.

Um... I know I will be flamed for this, but because of the Smallville/SR suit debate and everything, I took a quick look at the Superman Returns behind-the-scenes from the DVD and I have to say that Routh was way bigger then Tom is, by the time they started filming SR. In fact, the suit did not do him justice.

I'm not saying Routh or SR was to my likings, but one have to give him credit for the preperations he and the team did before filming.

[bonoferox]

I'm beginning to wonder what is really the big deal about Welling possibly wearing the SR suit. I mean I understand that SV fans would prefer their own suit, and that the SR suit wasn't exactly the most faithful to the comics or to an ideal costume because of the colors and the size of the shield,etc. But if you think about it, had Welling been cast in SR and agreed to wear the suit, he would've been wearing the same one that Routh wore. So it is really just because its the suit from SR or is it something more.




I don't really believe that's totally accurate. The costume designer mentions the look of the suit (and they tried out at least 20 different designs) were finalized based on Routh's appearance and what looked best on him. At the time, he was smaller than Tom, so a different suit with a (most likely) bigger \S/ and possibly different color scheme/trunk size would have been used.

[zerohour films]

...

More particularly, try to think of it from an actor's perspective...and take a look at the Comic Con footage when that question is asked (and answered)...it's all in the body language, folks...

:word:

So are you saying that SR is a sore spot for TW and that he wasn't aware of their suit being used on Smallville?!?

Interesting....

I could see that if I were playing a pretty well known character, then a movie came out about the same character --at the same time as my portrayalbut with a different actor...then I was asked to wear that actor's costume could be a problem.

Especially if I didn't know about it until I was sitting in front of a thousand people asking me questions. Surely he didn't just find out about it at SDCC.

[Gold Samurai]

I find it interesting to watch Tom's facial expressions at Comic Con when the writers stated that the suit (which he hadn't yet seen) was the one from SR. It seemed to me from his expression (which goes from calm, smiling & interested expression to the one we see on the video on you tube that makes it pretty obvious that he's bugged & that transition happens at the exact moment when they say it's the SR suit) that he didn't like it one bit. He probably knows (hell he probably hated that movie as well) how many ppl dislike that movie and especially that horrible suit.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/879/21008586.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6568/23239944.jpg



I think he's bummed that they're on such a tight budget that they can't come up with something of THEIR own. They have to borrow someone elses and potentially wear a modified one for Well's physique.

Basically borrowing peoples clothes because they're so poor.

At least that's the way I would feel


When the question was answered

Ci0aPd8PUpY

[KalKai]

It got nothing to do with the budget. They will come up with something of their own eventually, but for the time being they needed something quick and fast.

[SpideyVille]

It got nothing to do with the budget. They will come up with something of their own eventually, but for the time being they needed something quick and fast.
Yeah, if Green Arrow is getting a new outfit, then the budget must've allowed for it, otherwise I don't think they would spend more on something they could've done without.

[zerohour films]

Good point. I didn't think about them saying Green Arrow gets a new outfit...what's that about anyway.

Surly that means as others have said this is just a prop and he'll be getting his own suit. But then since they've shown this one so clearly doesn't that just mean it will still basically look like it? At least the colors and shield we've seen.

[bonoferox]

There were quite a few designs for the suit a couple years back that had him more in a make-do costume. It resembled more of the SV Justice League type of suit rather than a Superman suit though (leather-like hooded jacket). A guy that ran a Superman museum here in Indy had a few of the concept designs that were rejected when the show was expected to be ending around then.

I'm still hoping when he actually wears it that they can make it their own in some way.

[Binker]

All this talk about them using the suit because of a tight budget is never what came in my mind. Though, it is a realistic one to save money for whatever is planned, including the series finale which must be big (and better, and should include what I want (Superman, Superman, SUPERMAN!).

But this is what I got when the moment they mentioned it; the SR suit was used in...SR (duh). But, that movie was planning the following sequels that were cancelled due to its sad lacklustered performace. Hece why, we have a reboot planned for 2012. So a costume from a planned "Returns-series" that has now become a one-shot is probably going to stay that way forever; why not use that costume in another unrelated Superman series? Plus, since the costume is "modern", as the show is modern, they go together so why not make that move?

That's what I got, not this budget comment. Also, maybe we should've saw this coming; I mean Welling's Clark is using the "S" from SR anyway; maybe they had it planned that way for the costume.

[Kevin Roegele]

the Blur's black costume logo is not derived from Superman Returns' graphic design whatsoever...

:word:

Are you sure?


Smallville's S:
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz113/montagemik/REDBADGENEWPNG.png

The SR S:
http://cdn.superherohype.com/nextraimages/supermanreturnsexclusivesmall.jpg

They are not exactly the same, but it's very close...

[Mazrim Taim]

Man, Smallville's going to end very soon at this rate.

[triplet]

Um... I know I will be flamed for this, but because of the Smallville/SR suit debate and everything, I took a quick look at the Superman Returns behind-the-scenes from the DVD and I have to say that Routh was way bigger then Tom is, by the time they started filming SR. In fact, the suit did not do him justice.

I'm not saying Routh or SR was to my likings, but one have to give him credit for the preperations he and the team did before filming.

I didn't say a thing about Brandon's size, I don't really care anymore to be honest, but he did wear a muscle suit underneath the Superman suit.

If he was big to begin with, I have no idea why they did that, but his shoulders looked ridiculously out of proportion with the rest of his body. It just looked wrong.

My point was that they won't need to do that with Tom, who I believe, is far beefier now than Brandon ever was.

No muscle suit, no need for a high neck.

*shrug*

I think the shape of the suit will be vastly different if they can get away from the t-shirt top, which I'll be happy with even if everything else is the same.

Well, except for the pleather cape. Glad they're apparently changing that.

[KalKai]

Are you sure?



They are not exactly the same, but it's very close...

Aren't they all?

:hehe:

[triplet]

aren't they all?

:hehe:

qft

[Kevin Roegele]

Aren't they all?

:hehe:

Of course, but the Smallville logo is far closer to the movie logo than any of the others...

http://29.media.tumblr.com/t4bwezAizkb8yz1ehy62QCiAo1_500.jpg

I still don't get why Smallville, or the movies, didn't use the 'proper' Superman logo...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ubRIJrKjfh88LM:http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o129/coachphil/SupermanLogo.jpg&t=1

[DavidB1111]

Well, they did on a cup in Season 9's Idol. :)
"Look, Clark, Blur Merchandise."
Also, is that the Cyborg Superman's logo in the 5th picture on the 3rd row?
The one next to it, what is that? I can't tell if it's a logo for a Lightning Superman, or the SS Superman, and yes, I mean the Nazi SS. It looks like their logo...or again, a lightning bolt.

[Kal-El Fan]

Of course, but the Smallville logo is far closer to the movie logo than any of the others...

http://29.media.tumblr.com/t4bwezAizkb8yz1ehy62QCiAo1_500.jpg

I still don't get why Smallville, or the movies, didn't use the 'proper' Superman logo...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ubRIJrKjfh88LM:http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o129/coachphil/SupermanLogo.jpg&t=1
The Superboy TV series got it right.

[DavidB1111]

Is that the first one on the third row? Next to Bizarro's symbol?
But yeah, Smallville did the logo as well, on that one cup in Season 9's Idol.

I recognize a bunch of those, but not that many.
I know the two Blue and Red Superman logos, back when Superman was capable of nearly instant transportation between two distant locations. Apparently, whoever created Goku borrowed that idea. :) Man, that whole energy Superman thing was weird.

[Kevin Roegele]

The Superboy TV series got it right.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/8/80/Superboy_-_TV_Series.jpg/350px-Superboy_-_TV_Series.jpg

[Lighthouse]

Between Welling's admission, and Routh's comments at Comic Con(and his reemerging in Scott Pilgrim), I'm sensing another Welling/Routh War coming.

[Metamorpho1977]

Well, they did on a cup in Season 9's Idol. :)
"Look, Clark, Blur Merchandise."
Also, is that the Cyborg Superman's logo in the 5th picture on the 3rd row?
The one next to it, what is that? I can't tell if it's a logo for a Lightning Superman, or the SS Superman, and yes, I mean the Nazi SS. It looks like their logo...or again, a lightning bolt.

Cyborg is number 3 on the top row

[Metamorpho1977]

Maybe they can do like Superman the Musical
http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh365/Markjr1977/smus04.jpg

[Zorex]

Ewwww....

[Jack O Lantern]

I didn't say a thing about Brandon's size, I don't really care anymore to be honest, but he did wear a muscle suit underneath the Superman suit.

If he was big to begin with, I have no idea why they did that, but his shoulders looked ridiculously out of proportion with the rest of his body. It just looked wrong.

My point was that they won't need to do that with Tom, who I believe, is far beefier now than Brandon ever was.

No muscle suit, no need for a high neck.

*shrug*

I think the shape of the suit will be vastly different if they can get away from the t-shirt top, which I'll be happy with even if everything else is the same.

Well, except for the pleather cape. Glad they're apparently changing that.

The muscle suit is purely their for defination. It's the same reason Maguire wore one in Spider-Man and Affleck wore on in Daredevil

[Gold Samurai]

The Superboy TV series got it right.

That was just the Reeve suit wasn't it? The Salkinds were involved with that show.

[Sawyer]

I'm probably alone on this one, but I kinda like the dark blue on Dean Cain's suit.

[DavidB1111]

Cyborg is number 3 on the top row

Ah. then how about number 4 and 5 on the third row?
I must say 5 on the third row looked Cybernetic. :)

Also, let's kill Emo Superman, er, "Superman: The 1975 musical" Superman with fire. :)

[Syncos]

Is that the first one on the third row? Next to Bizarro's symbol?
But yeah, Smallville did the logo as well, on that one cup in Season 9's Idol.

I recognize a bunch of those, but not that many.
I know the two Blue and Red Superman logos, back when Superman was capable of nearly instant transportation between two distant locations. Apparently, whoever created Goku borrowed that idea. :) Man, that whole energy Superman thing was weird.

Superman Red/Blue happened in 98. Goku was created in 1984.

I really -really- hate to be the one to drop dragonball knowledge. but it had to be said.

[KalKai]

Kid Gokou wasn't capable of such feat though, but yeah, DBZ started in 89 and ended in 96.

Gokou's technique is called Instant Transmission by the way.

[Kal-El Fan]

That was just the Reeve suit wasn't it? The Salkinds were involved with that show.
Yeah, same suit with a different chest emblem. The emblem on the cape stayed the same though.

[Aesop Rocks]

Kid Gokou, in Superman?

[DavidB1111]

Superman Red/Blue happened in 98. Goku was created in 1984.

I really -really- hate to be the one to drop dragonball knowledge. but it had to be said.

Can I build a time machine and prevent me from writing that? :)
Sorry. My apologies. :doh:

Now, let's forget my stupidity regarding Goku, and could someone provide me a list of who's who on that Superman logo list?
I recognize a few.

Also, well, at least I didn't make an over 9000 joke.

[\S/uperman]

I'm probably alone on this one, but I kinda like the dark blue on Dean Cain's suit.
They changed his suit so many times, which one? Pic?

[Sawyer]

I've never noticed any changes from what I've seen, I was just going by the DVD cover images...

http://www.amazon.com/Lois-Clark-Adventures-Superman-Complete/dp/B000BT96EG/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1280616415&sr=1-1

[Metamorpho1977]

Ah. then how about number 4 and 5 on the third row?
I must say 5 on the third row looked Cybernetic. :)

Also, let's kill Emo Superman, er, "Superman: The 1975 musical" Superman with fire. :)

Number 4 was from Superman: The Dark Side. Which was an Elseworlds story that had Superman's rocket detoured by a boom tube and landing on Apokolips and raised by Darkseid. Really good story too if you ask me.
http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh365/Markjr1977/1572_400x600.jpg
Number 5 I think was from one of the Superman robots that he built when he tried to take over the world.

[Metamorpho1977]

Ah. then how about number 4 and 5 on the third row?
I must say 5 on the third row looked Cybernetic. :)

Also, let's kill Emo Superman, er, "Superman: The 1975 musical" Superman with fire. :)

I got the musical on DVD from Ebay one time. It's pretty good. If you can get past the Ted Koppel look a like in the Superman suit.

[Wilde]

Just found this on the Kryptonsite forums. Looks like we saw his new suit in the trailer, and it definitely has a red and yellow S! He might even be wearing the top of the SR suit, the S looks pretty similar.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/AntiRellik/OMGSuit.png

Thanks to mof123 for spotting that!

[\S/uperman]

I've never noticed any changes from what I've seen, I was just going by the DVD cover images...

http://www.amazon.com/Lois-Clark-Adventures-Superman-Complete/dp/B000BT96EG/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1280616415&sr=1-1

Very regal actually :up:

I tried adjusting the shiny aspect of the material of Cain's costume for this manip. I actually would prefer a modified version of his costume than the SR one.

Btw I think Pine would make a good modern Superman. People think they will imagine "Capt Kirk" but that doesn't give him acting ability enough credit imo. It seems small minded to me that a known actor from a big role can't handle another big role. Oh well, people disagree with me on that one. I'm sure he could make Superman his own without appearing as Kirk :doh:

http://i26.tinypic.com/6rkdjq.jpg

[Kurosawa]

That was just the Reeve suit wasn't it? The Salkinds were involved with that show.

No, the \S/ on the Superboy tv series suit was comic-accurate. The Reeve suit was angled on the left top of the S .

http://metropolisplus.com/Superman/CReevesS.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/8/80/Superboy_-_TV_Series.jpg/350px-Superboy_-_TV_Series.jpg

http://metropolisplus.com/Superman/Superman201SwanCover.jpg

[KalKai]

Very regal actually :up:

I tried adjusting the shiny aspect of the material of Cain's costume for this manip. I actually would prefer a modified version of his costume than the SR one.

Btw I think Pine would make a good modern Superman. People think they will imagine "Capt Kirk" but that doesn't give him acting ability enough credit imo. It seems small minded to me that a known actor from a big role can't handle another big role. Oh well, people disagree with me on that one. I'm sure he could make Superman his own without appearing as Kirk :doh:

http://i26.tinypic.com/6rkdjq.jpg

I liked him a lot in Star Trek, but no, he's just not Superman material.

Sometimes you never know though until you get to see said someone in the role and it immediately clicks.

[Johnny]

Agreed. Let Kirk stay Kirk. ;)

[TheLongestDay]

Just found this on the Kryptonsite forums. Looks like we saw his new suit in the trailer, and it definitely has a red and yellow S! He might even be wearing the top of the SR suit, the S looks pretty similar.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/AntiRellik/OMGSuit.png

Thanks to mof123 for spotting that!

I thought as much! I like it!

[Jumpin' Jack]

Hmmm bald guy... suspicious...

[KalKai]

I thought as much! I like it!

That's manipulated, this is the original:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4740/vlcsnap1609838.png

Clark won't be wearing his black coat on top of whatever he's gonna be wearing next.

[thechase]

Sooo just throwing this out there but Geoff has confirmed the appearances of:

Darkseid
Braniac 5 with the Legion of Superheroes
Booster Gold AND The Blue Beetle (Booster will be Ted Kord and Blue Beetle will be Jamie Reyes)
Returning of Plastique, Lionel Luthor, Hawkman, & Supergirl
Granny Goodness, Desadd, Glorious Godfrey, & The Female Furies
Cat Grant
and last but not least Rick Flag (a major part of the Suicide Squad)

[UnionJack]

Tom is looking in pretty good shape these days, I think he has known for a year or so he will be in the suit at the end so has cut up to fully live up to peoples expectations on what he will look like.

[KalKai]

Sooo just throwing this out there but Geoff has confirmed the appearances of:

Darkseid
Braniac 5 with the Legion of Superheroes
Booster Gold AND The Blue Beetle (Booster will be Ted Kord and Blue Beetle will be Jamie Reyes)
Returning of Plastique, Lionel Luthor, Hawkman, & Supergirl
Granny Goodness, Desadd, Glorious Godfrey, & The Female Furies
Cat Grant
and last but not least Rick Flag (a major part of the Suicide Squad)

Geoff confirmed that he'd be writing a Booster Gold & Blue Beetle episode, the rest were confirmed by the showrunners, not by Geoff. :hehe:

[Prison Mike]

I thought Ted Kord was the original Blue Beetle? Why would he be Booster Gold?

[Spider-Gamer]

I thought Ted Kord was the original Blue Beetle? Why would he be Booster Gold?

I think he got his information mixed up. :hehe:

[maenalus]

Ted Kord was the second Blue Beetle, Dan Garrett was the original.

[maenalus]

Sooo just throwing this out there but Geoff has confirmed the appearances of:

Darkseid
Granny Goodness, Desadd, Glorious Godfrey, & The Female Furies


:awesome:

[DavidB1111]

I don't fully think it's awesome, but it is cool. :)

So, thank you for the explanation about the one symbol, Metamorpho.

[\S/uperman]

That's manipulated, this is the original:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4740/vlcsnap1609838.png

Clark won't be wearing his black coat on top of whatever he's gonna be wearing next.

Getting some fans hopes up :down

[Serene]

That's manipulated, this is the original:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4740/vlcsnap1609838.png

Clark won't be wearing his black coat on top of whatever he's gonna be wearing next.

I don't get the same level of red as the picture posted on k-site, but when I do cap that and blow it up, there is definitely a feel of the red and gold in that shield. At least that's how it looks to me. Maybe it's wishful thinking affecting my eyes? :)

I can see them having him wear the top part of the suit with the black coat as the next step in the transition.

[TheLongestDay]

well that manip had me fooled...mostly cuz Im expecting thats the "change up" in attire for Clark they will go with

[Syncos]

Sooo just throwing this out there but Geoff has confirmed the appearances of:

Darkseid
Braniac 5 with the Legion of Superheroes
Booster Gold AND The Blue Beetle (Booster will be Ted Kord and Blue Beetle will be Jamie Reyes)
Returning of Plastique, Lionel Luthor, Hawkman, & Supergirl
Granny Goodness, Desadd, Glorious Godfrey, & The Female Furies
Cat Grant
and last but not least Rick Flag (a major part of the Suicide Squad)

Geoff confirmed that he'd be writing a Booster Gold & Blue Beetle episode, the rest were confirmed by the showrunners, not by Geoff. :hehe:

I think he got his information mixed up. :hehe:

Oh man. This had me scared for a minute. But Johns would never write something that contradictory to the comics. It wouldn't surprise me if we get booster telling Jaime a lot about Ted, though. Maybe even seeing some flashbacks.

[Kevin Roegele]

Between Welling's admission, and Routh's comments at Comic Con(and his reemerging in Scott Pilgrim), I'm sensing another Welling/Routh War coming.

What happened? Do they not like each other?

[Prison Mike]

What happened? Do they not like each other?

Their fans don't like each other. :oldrazz:

[MAN O STEEL]

Why can't we get a freakin photo of Routh & Welling standing together having a chat?. It's been 5 years since Routh became known & neither have ever been seen together at any events. It cuts me deep.



Steve

[Sawyer]

Any picture stands a good chance of shutting both sides of this idiotic little battle up... so, yeah, someone should really get on that.

[MAN O STEEL]

I just wanna know if they get along or not. I mean, I understand you don't have to have your picture taken with someone to show you like them, but it just seems weird to me that they've never been seen chatting together anywhere. I mean we got a photo of Tobey Maguire & Brandon Routh at the same charity event about a year & a bit back, yet no Welling & Routh :csad:.



Steve

[Johnny Drama]

Why can't we get a freakin photo of Routh & Welling standing together having a chat?. It's been 5 years since Routh became known & neither have ever been seen together at any events. It cuts me deep.



Steve

Because Routh is too nice of a guy to tell Welling what a **** he is :hehe:

[elgaz]

What a load of crap. From all accounts, both Welling and Routh are seen as nice/friendly guys and very down to earth - so I'm sure they'd get along just fine. Pity their fans can't!

[DavidB1111]

I agree, both of them seem nice, and let's face it, Brandon Routh strikes me as an easy going type.

Tom is nice and easy going too.
I wish their fans could be nice to each other.

[Man of Tomorrow]

:facepalm:

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww357/wellinglover66/TW%20special/2010%20SDCC/Gillian/ry471.jpg

[Sawyer]

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww357/wellinglover66/TW%20special/2010%20SDCC/Gillian/ry471.jpg

Dude really needs a haircut.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Not really.

All business on top. Party in the back.

[DavidB1111]

At least they finally stopped caring about getting rid of his five o'clock shadow. :)
Seriously, I think Season 6 or so is when you first can tell they gave up on the traces of his beard.

Let's be honest, Superman doesn't grow facial hair. :)

I just find it funny that they finally gave up on it.
Not that it would be cheap to remove the ability to grow hair on his face...

[Karelia]

Well he grows sideburns a little below his ear, (or at least he did in Birthright.) And in the new DCU Online trailer you see he has a scruffy beard.

I think he looks cooler like that, but that's just me. :D

[DavidB1111]

Well, DCU Online is being silly, because Superman can only grow a beard if he loses his powers, or decides to vacation on a planet orbiting a red sun. :) Also, Superman with a beard sounds more like Superman Prime.

And I never read Birthright, so I wouldn't know.
But yeah, Silver/Bronze/Gold/Modern Age Superman all never can grow beards.

But still, I find it entertaining that Smallville gave up on Tom's 5 o'clock shadow.
I mean, let's face it, Superman's five o'clock shadow could slice through diamonds, and etch glass. :)
I don't think Lois would want to snuggle up to that.

Well, Superman 3 did show that Superman can grow a 5 o'clock shadow if he gets affected by weird Kryptonite. :)

[KalKai]

Why can't we get a freakin photo of Routh & Welling standing together having a chat?. It's been 5 years since Routh became known & neither have ever been seen together at any events. It cuts me deep.



Steve

I'm pretty sure they've already met a long time ago, but no photos.

[Prison Mike]

I think I either saw an episode of S:TAS or one of the Superman DTVs where Clark was shaving by using his heat vision and a mirror.

[DavidB1111]

I saw that on Dean Cain's Lois and Clark. :)

But it doesn't mean it's canon.

[Prison Mike]

What defines "canon"?

[KalKai]

So none of the comic artists draw Superman with a 5 o'clock shadow/stubble/beard? I'm pretty sure some of them do, or at least did.

[AgentPat]

Let's be honest, Superman doesn't grow facial hair. :)Sure he does...

http://www.patcostello.com/temp/superman3.jpg

[al35077]

Well, DCU Online is being silly, because Superman can only grow a beard if he loses his powers, or decides to vacation on a planet orbiting a red sun. :) Also, Superman with a beard sounds more like Superman Prime.

And I never read Birthright, so I wouldn't know.
But yeah, Silver/Bronze/Gold/Modern Age Superman all never can grow beards.

But still, I find it entertaining that Smallville gave up on Tom's 5 o'clock shadow.
I mean, let's face it, Superman's five o'clock shadow could slice through diamonds, and etch glass. :)
I don't think Lois would want to snuggle up to that.

Well, Superman 3 did show that Superman can grow a 5 o'clock shadow if he gets affected by weird Kryptonite. :)

I read a superman book where he got out of the shower and was whistleing a little tune. there was no kryptonite any where near him and he notices some stubble and procedes to shave with his heat vision by looking in the mirror. and that book was based on the death of superman graphic novel

[DavidB1111]

Okay, so maybe sometimes he's grown a beard, but he usually can't without having no powers. So, I'm confused.

And what is that comic from, AgentPat?

Canon is defined as what is currently official canon in the comics. The current origin stories of Superman and all that.

Look, all I did was mention that I though it was nice that Smallville gave up on it.
I didn't expect people to think I was trying to insult the comics in general.

Al, really? Huh. Weird. Because last time I checked, he couldn't grow a beard.
Well, that's odd.

[Prison Mike]

What is Modern Era? Is it from Bryne to now? Because I've definitely seen a comic where he's shaving (probably back in the 90s).

[Karelia]

Here's a long descriptive reply to Superman's ability to grow beards:

Superman's beard has changed over the years. Back in the 60's, when they first started paying attention to such little continuity issues, it was stated that his hair, beard and nails don't grow. (That makes no sense to me, they are all dead tissue, and as we all know he's supposed to be invulnerable, so you can't kill him. If no part of him can die, then his hair beard and nails should always keep growing.)

There was one comic where he was affected by Red Kryptonite, which causes unpredictable mutations. This time it caused his hair, bread and nails to sprout wildly. He looked like the super wild man from Borneo. Because his heat vision couldt cut it, he felt it would ruin his secret identity.

Supergirl to the rescue! Actually, Supergirl and his dog, Krypto! They used their combined heat vision which is twice as hot as his, to give him a shave, manicure and haircut.

Prior to the John BUrne revamp, the only time Superman ever needed a shave was when he was under a red sun and lost his powers, then his beard and hair would grow normally.

Like one time he traveled into the far future, when Earth's sun would grow into a red giant start, and then he was stuck because he no longe rhad his powers to get back! He found the ruins of his Fortress in the far north and used one of his trophies to get into space near a yellow sun so he could travel back into the past. (But he had to shave first, because he knew if he waited until later, he couldn't.)

In another early story, Pete Ross' son Jon figured out that Clark Kent was Superman because he used his bathroom and the nosy kid looked inside the medicine cabinet and saw no razor or shaving cream or bandaids or aspirin, nothing that an ordinary man would need. There was just a comb and brush, for when his hair got messed up flying.

Since the Crisis on Infinite Earths, they introduced the idea that he had to shave. (He was no longer invulnerable, he just had an invisible force field.) Then they used a curved piece of reflective metal from his rocket ship and he used his heat vision.

The problem with that is that materials from Krypton are not necessarily indestructible any more! So I don't see why they bothered.

Superman doesn't really need a mirror. His super perception vision powers are more like clarvoyance, and his heat vision is like pyrogenesis. He doesn't actually detect x-rays to see through things or project beams of heat out of his eyeballs. If he can see his reflectionin an ordinary mirror, he can make the heat appear where he wants it, enough to shave with.

I hope this helps. :D

[DavidB1111]

Well, I was mistaken then. I guess it was only Gold/Silver/Bronze.
Thanks John Bryne...for giving me yet another reason to be annoyed at the modern era Superman.

For another reason, look up Action comics 592 and 593. Because yes, I totally believe, Mr. Bryne, that Darkseid is very interested in adult entertainment. :facepalm:

Seriously? A force-field? Oh, I thought that was just a joke! Oh...for the love of General Zod,...I'll be right back, I have to build a time machine...

I'm going to either buy out DC comics, or have John Bryne imprisoned...for Treason. Which ever is more likely. And yes, I know Modern era is post crisis.

[al35077]

modern era is post crisis (I think)

[AgentPat]

And what is that comic from, AgentPat?Exile

There's other examples too. Superman, The Last Five Hundred (Man of Steel, Volume III) shows a non depowered Superman and Clark Kent with a pretty thick 5 o'clock shadow. It's about as close to a beard as you can get without actually being a beard. And of course there's the grandaddy of 'em all, Kingdom Come, with not only a bearded, powered Superman, but one with a greying pony tail as well. :woot:

[Gianakin_]

Didn'a a bearded Clark Kent appear in Return of Superman, when he got "rescued" from the rubble created by the battle between Supes/Doomsday? Or was that the alien (who dated Lex as Supergirl) which took Clark's form?

[DavidB1111]

Well, I was proven wrong about the beard thing then. Modern Era can grow the beard without needing to be on a red sun.

And Exile? Superman has powers in that one, despite looking like he's spent a thousand years in an insane asylum on the dark side of a planet in a red sun solar system?

I know Exile came about because of Superman not reacting well to killing Zod and his two minions in the pocket universe he was sent into...but still.
I think my only complaint is that because Superman ran into Mongol, and somehow Mongol learned about Earth, from Superman, I think, and invaded, nuking Coast city, killing 9 million people.

So, yeah, because Superman couldn't handle the fact he killed three people, he ended up being responsible for the death of 9 million people?
That should have put him into a coma. :(
I know that happened before Superman #666, and he still said. "I killed people?" Seriously, why do they keep forgetting the Modern Era Superman was the first one since Golden Age to kill people/things.
And Bronze Age suffocated a plant monster.

And last time I checked, Kingdom Come is an elseworlds, or an alternate take. But I read it and liked it a lot.

They need to bring the Spectre on Smallville. They already showed his picture.

[LaraLane]

There was a JL (possibly the unlimited version of series) episode where Superman is in a desert, grows a beard and has to fight off wolves or something. Anyone remember the episode name?

[Donut]

There was a JL (possibly the unlimited version of series) episode where Superman is in a desert, grows a beard and has to fight off wolves or something. Anyone remember the episode name?

He had no powers in that episode

[SpideyVille]

Death of a Superman?

Isn't that the one where the Toyman zaps him somewhere else and everyone thinks he's death except Batman.

[Sawyer]

Hereafter

[SpideyVille]

Hereafter
There ya go

[Man of Tomorrow]

My point was that they won't need to do that with Tom, who I believe, is far beefier now than Brandon ever was.

Routh was definitely leaner during SR filming in 04/05, but he came close to ripping the seams on the suit.

Brandon Routh today, however, would rip that suit to shreds.

Check out the video:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/entertainment/movies/brandon-routh-mary-elizabeth-winstead-visit-fox-2-20100805-mr


He's got Welling's build. Possibly bigger. The Hollywood roid machine works.

[triplet]

Routh was definitely leaner during SR filming in 04/05, but he came close to ripping the seams on the suit.

Brandon Routh today, however, would rip that suit to shreds.

Check out the video:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/entertainment/movies/brandon-routh-mary-elizabeth-winstead-visit-fox-2-20100805-mr


He's got Welling's build. Possibly bigger. The Hollywood roid machine works.

Thanks for the link, I guess.

But I don't think I'm going to go outta my way to see that.

Really, the last thing I want to see is a roided-out BR.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Well, point is the SR suit/muscle suit wouldn't fit either of them.

Welling would need a NEW suit tailored for him if he intends on actually wearing the tights.

We'll know in a few months.

[triplet]

Well, point is the SR suit/muscle suit wouldn't fit either of them.

Welling would need a NEW suit tailored for him if he intends on actually wearing the tights.

We'll know in a few months.

Even if Brandon had been the same size as Tom during the filming of SR, there's no way they'd use the exact same suit that Brandon had worn for Tom Welling.

Tom's proportions are far different than Brandon's, even if they were the same height and weight. Adding muscle mass isn't going to give Brandon stockier bones and bigger hands.

The same suit wouldn't fit Tom in any way.

But, if even if it would have fit, it's impossible to think that they'd take a 6 year old costume that is probably now thread bare and tired looking.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It's a prop. A completely unaltered prop.

It was taken from the Warners Museum, confirmed by Peterson as one of Brandon's suits, but it's just a prop on the show.

We'll know if they're actually going to design a NEW suit for Tom to wear in the finale in a few months, or whether any finale footage of Superman on Smallville will involve CGI instead.

Could go either way.

[triplet]

It's a prop. A completely unaltered prop.

It was taken from the Warners Museum, confirmed by Peterson as one of Brandon's suits, but it's just a prop on the show.

We'll know if they're actually going to design a NEW suit for Tom to wear in the finale in a few months, or whether any finale footage of Superman on Smallville will involve CGI instead.

Could go either way.

I know it was a prop, and it'll take a lot of time and fittings for Tom to be fit for the suit.

Skin tight ain't easy to do.

I worked on some skin-tight costumes once when I was working in a costume shop and I think they had three or four fittings and it took a couple of weeks.

And it wasn't anything like this level of important that it look good.

They will measure every inch of Tom's body and he will be in for a lot of fittings.

Then once they get something close, they'll probably do some costume tests on camera to see how the suit fares under the lights. Then again they'll likely make more changes and then get Tom in for more fittings until they get things just right...

(I wish I had a job in the Smallville costume shop this season)

;)


We probably won't get a good look until the day that final episode airs.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Not to sound as redundant as Webhead, but we'll see if he actually wears Superman tights in the finale.


We should know in a few months whether they're actually making a new Superman suit behind the scenes. The ones in SR cost as much as a new Ferrari, a piece.

If it is revealed they're making a new one, then we'll know for sure he'll be wearing it.

[DavidB1111]

My question is why does everyone think they'll wait until the very end to have him wear the suit? That would be a big waste of time if he's only going to wear the suit at the very end.

Especially if we have to wait for awhile to see him fly.
It doesn't make sense, and it pretty much is a bad idea.

They should treat the fans by giving them what they want. Him in the suit, before the end of the show.

[Man of Tomorrow]

If they wanted to do that, they wouldn't be introducing a NEW Red/Blue Blur 'suit' in "Shield"

Which has already been confirmed to be a new T-shirt with colors this time...

[DavidB1111]

Ugh. So, we really will have to wait until the end? Are they retarded?

They really want to drag it out the entire time? Even though Lois sees the suit in the first episode? Even though all that? They're just going to drag it out and out?

I just...I thought this show learned from their mistakes...
When I can run a TV show better the current producers...there's something seriously wrong!
Well, as Jason Lee said in Dogma, "I'm going to have to summon the Golgotha demon." :)

[elgaz]

I know Tom's in pretty good shape generally, but do you think they'll ask him to buff up a bit before wearing the suit? It's one thing looking good in a suit or jeans/t-shirt like he normally wears, but it's a totally different matter in a skintight costume.

He's a little less muscular now than he was a couple of seasons ago - there was one stage where he looked very big.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/379/805smallville0833623747fs9.jpg

[KalKai]

I like this better:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/791/twnemesishalfsized.png

It all depends when and for how long he'll wear it, and if he'll wear it, and if there's the need to buff up, and if it's worth doing, or if it's worth overdoing. Lots of if's.

I remember Rosenbaum saying they told him to spend some time in the gym when he had to be shirtless on the island back in Season 3.

[Serene]

I'll raise you one massively deep chest. :wow:

http://a.imageshack.us/img251/289/twbchest.jpg

[KalKai]

Wait a second, what episode is that from again? lol.

It's Quest allright. :)

[SpideyVille]

Looks like Quest, one of the last episodes in season 7.

[Serene]

Wait a second, what episode is that from again? lol.


Not an episode, from my hotel room at SDCC. :fhm:

Oh, okay... JUST KIDDING. :hehe:

It's Quest allright. :)

That's it.

[Webhead2006]

well i still cant wait to see what we will ultimately see tom in. hopefully what ever is the final look for smallville's take will be alot better then the SR suit. And i am sure the smallville costume folks can come up with something great. Look at the costumes for all the other heroes on the show.

[partypooper]

All they have to do is make the \S/ shield bigger, make the Red.... RED!!!! and give the suit a lower neckline and have the cape coming over the shoulder slightly, lets not screw that up after 10years!

[MiddleSuperName]

would u guys get made if they show him in a superman suit for the finale but never refer to him as superman?

[RAMORE]

Thanks for answering my biggest question after the promos and it seems they aren't just teasing us he will wear some kind of super suit before the end i'm excited!

[rcazzy]

I hope the producers give us the suit at an unexpected time. Out of nowhere (some jump to the future using Fate's helmet or something) and there he is, full costume doing his thing. I love those sort of "out of nowhere" things, like Jacob and the monster's original form appearing within the first few seconds of Lost's final season.

[Webhead2006]

i hope when ever the final suit is appearing in the show it is more then just the Sr suit.

[Ultraman Nexus]

Silver Age Superman is what Christopher Reeve played in the movies. When I see that suit of his, I think of Silver Age.

That would be Bronze Age actually. Modern fans have a tenancy to act as though everything was the Silver Age until 1986 when Miller and Moore dropped out of the sky and made rated R superhero comics.

[DIRECTOR]

with the season almost here, i wonder which episode Clark will don the Superman Returns suit, since it looks like he is starting to disguise himself as Clark Kent

[Webhead2006]

As we all know he probably wont be in the suit to the finale episodes. I do hope we see him in the suit physicall and like I said in other threads at least two or three scenes, one darkseid fight, one lois/supes, and maybe one speaking to the public. I fully don't expect him wearing it for the full 82mins the finale will be. But at least around 5mins in total would be ok in my book.

[vantheman77]

I don't expect Clark to wear the suit until towards the end of the series finale, but I do expect him to fly throughout if he's to earn the suit from Jor-El, whom he has to make amends with regardless of the strained relationship between the two.

[Dark Raven]

As we all know he probably wont be in the suit to the finale episodes. I do hope we see him in the suit physicall and like I said in other threads at least two or three scenes, one darkseid fight, one lois/supes, and maybe one speaking to the public. I fully don't expect him wearing it for the full 82mins the finale will be. But at least around 5mins in total would be ok in my book.

Tom has spent 10 seasons not wearing the suit, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask him to spend the whole of the final episode in it. It's not like he has to always be using his powers all of the time. It could be a state of emergency where he has to be Superman the whole episode, and won't have the chance to change back to Clark.

[Night Owl]

I deff want him in it for the whole finale with epic high budget special effects scenes please. Dont worry bout the money im sure WB can afford it, tell them youll pay them back!! lol :woot:

[Webhead2006]

Ya all I really want is a few scenes with him in suit and dub superman in it. There is plently of time for it in finale.

[Night Owl]

Well to be honest. Im a 10 year loyal fan as im sure u are. I think we deserve a little more than a shirt rip at the end. They owe us. ill settle for a minimum of 30 mins Superman full suit screen time

[Webhead2006]

Oh ha shirt rip does not cut it now. Would have been fine anywhere between seasons 5-7. But since we have had costume heroes and have done alot of superman moments already. We need to go big or what's the dam point.

[vantheman77]

We've already had a shirt rip. The idea of Clark wearing the suit in the final seconds or minute would have worked if AlMiles' original 5-year plan would stick. It's now 10 years and you have to build all that time towards something grand as a few seconds of Clark in the suit isn't really going to cut it. :super:

[DavidB1111]

That would be Bronze Age actually. Modern fans have a tenancy to act as though everything was the Silver Age until 1986 when Miller and Moore dropped out of the sky and made rated R superhero comics. I am aware of the Silver/Bronze/Golden/Modern ages of comics. Claiming I am a modern fan is only true in the instance that I was not born in 1933. :)

I am aware that the first Superman film was made in 1978, late in the bronze age.

But the ideas in that movie were more based on the ideas of the Silver Age than the Bronze Age.

Bronze Age Superman couldn't move the moon in Superman 4 with that much ease. :) He was vastly weakened from Silver Age.
Silver Age Superman once said after a vacation turned into a lot of danger, "Next time I want a vacation, I'll pick a safer place, like an exploding sun!"

Bronze Age Superman was knocked out by a Supernova. Silver Age Superman would laugh in the face of the Big Bang. :)

And since Superman Returns borrows from the first two movies, and the first movie had insane exaggerations of Superman's powers, from stopping the Earthquake by lifting up the continental plate, :) something Bronze Age could do, but he wouldn't do it without complaining a bit.

Also, he spun the Earth backwards on it's own axis. This is a massive exaggeration of his Silver Age Superman power to turn back time like it was nothing.

Bronze Age Superman could have never pulled that off. Only Silver Age could have an exaggerated ability to change the Earth's rotation, create a temporal rift, and reverse time like that.

I know Bronze Age was awesome powerful, but Silver Age Superman could beat up the Anti-Monitor. :)

Also, Superman Returns also had Clark lift up the massive continent of rock and Kryptonite, and hurl it into space.

Only Silver Age Superman's ability to use his powers if he really concentrated on them under the influence of Kryptonite would allow him to do that.
First introduction of Metallo, in 1959 proves my point.
Superman was exposed to a Kryptonite rod, and to counteract it, he had to use his heat vision on it until it melted. Six hours later. :)
He recovered somewhat fast.

Bronze Age would have collapsed, just like Modern Age Superman from being too close to Kryptonite.

And only Silver Age Superman could perform the lifting of the continent up into the air. Especially with a piece of Kryptonite in his body.