Wings or no Wings on Cap?

[Norm3]

Wings or no Wings on Cap?

[SuperFerret]

Wings.

[cryptic name]

wings

[S.A.A.D.]

Wings I guess.

[Norm3]

tHE QUESTION IS. iF the majority of fans want THE WINGS WHY IS mARVEL not allowing them in the movie?

[Astro13Zombie]

Mega yes.

[Webhead2006]

yes its nice if he had wings. but its not that bad if he doesnt. Plus for all we know they could very well do the whole painted on wings deal for his later suit, and also he could have wings on the uso/kirby suit.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The helmet looks butt naked without wings.

So wings there must be.

[JP]

no.

[BrlntDsgse]

My thoughts on the subject of wings.....I want to see the wings and I think protruding wings could work if they were small, sleek and metallic. BUT, I always figured that if ever there were a bigscreen adaptation that the wings would be the first thing to go. This thought was solidified the first time I laid eyes on Ultimate Cap.(although I'll give Ultimate Cap 1 thing....give the modern suit from Ultimates Vol 1 some wings and turn the gray patches blue and you have a NOTE PERFECT movie Cap suit, but I digress). For some reason the wings are just one of those details that non-fan movie producers will zero in on as too "corny" or "comic-booky" for the general audience. I guess I can see where they're coming from, though I disagree. My real question on this is : while I disagree, I can UNDERSTAND the producers/crew viewing tiny wings sticking out from Cap's head as "corny" or "too much", but then......why not AT LEAST give him painted on wings?!? It's the "best of both worlds" solution....he doesn't have actual protruding wings, so their concerns about "corniness" or whatever are eased, and he still has the classic Cap look of the wings..... it looks pretty damn good in this manip by RIV......

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capdg.jpg

I pasted the wings from the above manip onto the Cap concept art to see how it looks.....

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capwinghead.jpg
.....bottom line : if they don't wanna use real wings, fine. But, what reason could there be for not using painted on wings? After all, they didn't get rid of the "A".

[FVD]

The 2nd pic looks really cool actually. I wouldn't complain about that. Oh and YES btw!!

[Crockett]

I wouldn't mind if the wings aren't since it will look ridiculous although that manip with the painted on wings doesn't look bad at all.

[davince338]

Yes for me 2.
although i think it is difficult to make them look cool on a helmet.
So I guess on a helmet i can get used to "painted" wings, it still is better than no wings.
and on a mask actual wings.

[Dave40]

tHE QUESTION IS. iF the majority of fans want THE WINGS WHY IS mARVEL not allowing them in the movie?

Good question!!!.If done properly,the wings will work on the costume and it will look way better.

Marvel,listen up...we want the WINGS!!!:cmad:

[Silvermoth]

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capdg.jpg

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capwinghead.jpg


I used to think the wings protruding from the mask thing was incredibly silly until I saw manips like these that used the wings in a really ingenius way. Here you can see not only the attention to detail neccessary for a Marvel film but also something that looks similar to the military stripes usually seen on soldier's arms to denote rank. Pure genius.

It's ideas like that that make me want to see the wings in the film.

[Kurosawa]

Yes because it's part of the classic design. They should be there somehow.

[ALP]

Love those manips, def the way to go.

[GhostPoet]

I'd be fine with painted on wings. But the other style of wings = NO!!

[Mister J]

I'd love to see the wings, but am not really hopeful. There are certainly ways to incorporate them without making them seem garish or ridiculous and even add to the costume's allure. Unfortunately, I can easily see the studio doing without.

[Rage]

My thoughts on the subject of wings.....I want to see the wings and I think protruding wings could work if they were small, sleek and metallic. BUT, I always figured that if ever there were a bigscreen adaptation that the wings would be the first thing to go. This thought was solidified the first time I laid eyes on Ultimate Cap.(although I'll give Ultimate Cap 1 thing....give the modern suit from Ultimates Vol 1 some wings and turn the gray patches blue and you have a NOTE PERFECT movie Cap suit, but I digress). For some reason the wings are just one of those details that non-fan movie producers will zero in on as too "corny" or "comic-booky" for the general audience. I guess I can see where they're coming from, though I disagree. My real question on this is : while I disagree, I can UNDERSTAND the producers/crew viewing tiny wings sticking out from Cap's head as "corny" or "too much", but then......why not AT LEAST give him painted on wings?!? It's the "best of both worlds" solution....he doesn't have actual protruding wings, so their concerns about "corniness" or whatever are eased, and he still has the classic Cap look of the wings..... it looks pretty damn good in this manip by RIV......

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capdg.jpg

I pasted the wings from the above manip onto the Cap concept art to see how it looks.....

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/brlntdsgse/capwinghead.jpg
.....bottom line : if they don't wanna use real wings, fine. But, what reason could there be for not using painted on wings? After all, they didn't get rid of the "A".

The wings look okay painted on in the first manip... but look like reed richards temples in the second:hehe:

I think that they need to be bolder/ballsier and less delicate looking to work on film. Metal or embossed would be nice... or painted on BOLD and stylized... not like say the Philly Eagles helmet.

The thing is people... we will get the wings... on the USO costume (sorry to twist the knife Kurosawa) ;)

[Norm3]

The painted wings are better than nothing & work well in those pictures.

[Boom]

Painted-on wings would've been a nice touch. The helmet itself looks fine but it does seem like it's missing something.

[nogap87]

I've seen like 10 different versions of the painted wings in the Cap costume thread and each one makes the concept art look so much better IMO. So wings FTW.

[misjuevos]

marvel has come this far you got thors,loki's and odins helmets,and capes, iron mans armor a cg hulk i say why settle for painted on wings, go for the little white ones. its part of the costume, it wont look cheesy or weird. people have seen cap and know what he looks like.

[Blackman]

He'll have a different costume in Avengers, right? If he does and its more modern I would like to see wings on that

[Astro13Zombie]

If batman can have big pointed ears..
Cap can have his wings.

[Norm3]

If batman can have big pointed ears..
Cap can have his wings.
I agree but Marvel gives to much freedom to these directors. They let them make any change they want. When there should be some do's & don't list with each character. guideline list or something.

[Dave40]

He'll have a different costume in Avengers, right? If he does and its more modern I would like to see wings on that


Will he?.First time I hear this :huh:.

[Norm3]

Who knows whats going to happen by the time we get to the Avengers. Joe Johnstons against the wings on Capt & Namor but if Joss wanted them then maybe who knows.

[Mercurius]

Wings, obviously. Without them, it seems that something is lacking in his headpiece.

And it was shown here, in a manip, in these threads, that there's a very proper way to make it, EVEN with the stupid helmet.

[ChickenScratch]

Why is there not an option for "don't care." But really, wings or no wings, it's still Cap.

An interesting option in keeping with the painted on style is why not have Cap himself dip 3 fingers in white paint and streak the side of the helmet in a slight upward angle? It would look like the wings, look really aggro and have that very DIY vibe like many other soldiers who mark their stuff. Give it a war-paint vibe.

[misjuevos]

like i said we got thor's loki's and odin's helmets and capes, iron man's armor, a cg hulk, what is wrong with 2 little wings. thors and odins are huge. its a movie you must suspend disbelief or else you didn't want to purposefully.

[Shivsguy616]

Lol.

[Astro13Zombie]

like i said we got thor's loki's and odin's helmets and capes, iron man's armor, a cg hulk, what is wrong with 2 little wings. Thors and odins are huge. its a movie you must suspend disbelief or else you didn't want to purposefully.
^ this!

[Kurosawa]

like i said we got thor's loki's and odin's helmets and capes, iron man's armor, a cg hulk, what is wrong with 2 little wings. thors and odins are huge. its a movie you must suspend disbelief or else you didn't want to purposefully.

Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet and people are gonna find the movie hard to believe...over a couple of wings on his mask/helmet? Please.

[Norm3]

Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet and people are gonna find the movie hard to believe...over a couple of wings on his mask/helmet? Please.
Apparenty directer Joe Johnston feels that way & Marvel agrees because their letting him have his way.:cmad:

[marcvader]

That's the part that get's me. Why would Marvel not have certain guidelines when developing their characters. I mean come on not even stenciled ones?

[Norm3]

That's the part that get's me. Why would Marvel not have certain guidelines when developing their characters. I mean come on not even stenciled ones?
This has been my argument for years. Marvel lets any directer come in & in one film changes the whole history or look of a character for all the future movies. Unless of course they bomb. Then Marvel looks for scapegoats. When its them for letting these asinine changes happen to begin with.

[Mercurius]

This has been my argument for years. Marvel lets any directer come in & in one film changes the whole history or look of a character for all the future movies. Unless of course they bomb. Then Marvel looks for scapegoats. When its them for letting these asinine changes happen to begin with.


Although I'm very suspicious of this Captain America movie, we must be fair: Marvel has done a GREAT job in the two Iron Man installments, and it seems that Thor is going that way, too.

Concerning superhero movies, so far, Marvel studios are doing a helluva job.

If Captain America bombs, or if the fans will notice serious problems in the way they have adapted it, it will be the first mistake.

[Norm3]

Although I'm very suspicious of this Captain America movie, we must be fair: Marvel has done a GREAT job in the two Iron Man installments, and it seems that Thor is going that way, too.

Concerning superhero movies, so far, Marvel studios are doing a helluva job.

If Captain America bombs, or if the fans will notice serious problems in the way they have adapted it, it will be the first mistake. First big mistake was The Hulk. They let Ang Lee run wild & change anything he wanted. Did you ever see the Manthing movie what a disgrace.

[Mercurius]

First big mistake was The Hulk. They let Ang Lee run wild & change anything he wanted. Did you ever see the Manthing movie what a disgrace.

I really don't like Ang Lee's Hulk, but it is a take on the character I can respect.

The Manthing: other times, and surely a disgrace. :woot:

[marcvader]

One thing I feel that affects this matter is that Johnson doesn't come off as being overly enthusiastic or respect the source material like Favreau, Letterier, and Brannagh have. I don't know if it's age or what. I just hope this attitude doesn't spread through out the production. Marvel should not allow this to start happening to their self-produced titles. You hear me Marvel?

[cryptic name]

First big mistake was The Hulk. They let Ang Lee run wild & change anything he wanted. Did you ever see the Manthing movie what a disgrace.

those were movies made by other studios. the only movies marvel can be held directly responsible for are the two Iron Man flicks and The Incredible Hulk, all three of which were great adaptations of the source material.

[misjuevos]

i think it has to do with marvel just being new and excited to have their movies made. so far they have gotten lucky with fav, and as far as TIH i enjoyed it but thought it could use more hulk. we shall see what happens with thor and cap. so far thor is looking great. just hope cap can folow through with the hype for avengers.

[Jerkofwonder]

Yes, but in combat only painted on, or some kind of helmet embroidery. I don't want big sticking out ridiculous wings while he's on the battlefield.

[Mercurius]

Yes, but in combat only painted on, or some kind of helmet embroidery. I don't want big sticking out ridiculous wings while he's on the battlefield.

Ridiculous in that sense is a matter of opinion. :o

See, superhero stuff is somewhat a way of bringing back those ancient gods of polytheistic civilizations.

Thus you have Flash being like Mercury, Superman who is a Hercules in strenght, and sometimes you have gods themselves turned into superheroes, like Thor.

Anyway: gods can have animal heads, like the Egyptian Horus; a god can have something attached to his anthropoid anatomy, like the wings in Hermes's feet, etc.

Thus, Captain America symbolizes a superhuman entity, emblematic of some ideals. He naturally can have, without being ridiculous, some little wings attached to his head.

There are those who want him to look, on the other hand, like a mere jarhead. Those do not find him ridiculous with a stupid helmet (insert that Seinfeld joke here) nor for carrying a gun.

A gun. :doh:

I find him ABSOLUTELY infamous AND ridiculous with that miserable appendix of ordinary lunatics.

That's an opinion. And I would prefer CA WITH his wings and WITHOUT that monstruous toy.

[cryptic name]

Ridiculous in that sense is a matter of opinion. :o

See, superhero stuff is somewhat a way of bringing back those ancient gods of polytheistic civilizations.

Thus you have Flash being like Mercury, Superman who is a Hercules in strenght, and sometimes you have gods themselves turned into superheroes, like Thor.

Anyway: gods can have animal heads, like the Egyptian Horus; a god can have something attached to his anthropoid anatomy, like the wings in Hermes's feet, etc.

Thus, Captain America symbolizes a superhuman entity, emblematic of some ideals. He naturally can have, without being ridiculous, some little wings attached to his head.

There are those who want him to look, on the other hand, like a mere jarhead. Those do not find him ridiculous with a stupid helmet (insert that Seinfeld joke here) nor for carrying a gun.

A gun. :doh:

I find him ABSOLUTELY infamous AND ridiculous with that miserable appendix of ordinary lunatics.

That's an opinion. And I would prefer CA WITH his wings and WITHOUT that monstruous toy.

i somewhat agree with you on the wings, but i think it's a little silly to have a problem with a soldier in WWII carrying a side arm

[Alchemyst]

We've only seen a rendered picture of one of the suits he will be wearing. For all we know his USO suit may have wings on it and he ditches it in favor of a helmet. Once we get closer to the films release, we should know what he looks like through the course of the film. Now as for him carrying a side arm, I don't see the big problem with it, maybe in future sequels or even the Avengers film, he may not use a firearm. It could also be explained that since the last battle he was involved in prior to being frozen was WWII, all of the violence that he witnessed made him stray away from using guns to subdue enemies in present day.

[misjuevos]

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx239/thekraxen/america.jpghttp://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx239/thekraxen/captain-america4.jpg
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painted on wings vs wings. i would go for wings,lol
im joking but if you don't know your past you are doomed to repeat it, just saying. between the 2 designs i like the wings sticking out.

[Norm3]

What are these Brubaker Cap issues that Director Joe Johnston is always talking about? I hope they don't deviate away too much from the original Cap storyline.

[captainrogers]

I'd like to see the wings, myself. If they're sticking with the helmet look we've seen this far, They should definately go for the Hitch 'Cap Reborn' stenciled on look. For the more traditional style, I would have them be smaller and sleeker, metallic (matching his shield) and pressed on the sides of his head. (almost reminiscent of the way McNiven draws Cap, but maybe have them just a little bit closer to his head.) I always liked the way caps wings looked in those early comics, but I agree they would look silly on film if they portruded straight out to the sides (so you get a full view of both wings while he looks straight on at you.) Gun or no gun... Old argument, easy compromise: WWII Cap: yes. Dethawed Cap: no gun. All in all, movie seems to be shaping up well, the wings aren't really a deal breaker. (But should Johnston decide to throw us a bone, and put 'em in, I wouldn't complain)

[Surfer]

I would definitely like to see Wings. However, just like anything else they have to try different styles painted and ones that stick out to see what will work better on camera. Personally, I think painted would work better, but they should try everything to make sure they choose something that will not look hooky in the long run. I think that the wings on Captain America's head strongly related to the image people (especially fans) perceive as Captain America, and without it he loses a very important identifiable characteristic. So, hopefully they will have something.

Surfer

[Norm3]

Even if theres no wings during WW2 I hope we will get them at the end of the movie.

[GhostPoet]

Even if theres no wings during WW2 I hope we will get them at the end of the movie.

didn't you hear? At the end of the film in modern day, Cap dawns the wings and flys off into the sunset.

[davince338]

I read somewhere that Namor will not have wings in the movie, so maybe he donates them to Cap and then Cap will have his wings.

[Norm3]

I read somewhere that Namor will not have wings in the movie, so maybe he donates them to Cap and then Cap will have his wings.
Joe Johnston hates those wings. He's the one that said no wings on Namor.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Joe Johnston hates those wings. He's the one that said no wings on Namor.
What does Joe Johnston have to do with the Namor movie?
His he also going to direct it?

But, i agree.
The wings look great on the comics, but they don´t make much sense (if any) if we think about it.

As for Cap....wings...please.

[Norm3]

I think Namor & the Invaders are going to be in Cap. Read link.

http://www.nerdsociety.com/namor-captain-america-movie-shield-sdcc/

[Isildur´s Heir]

I think Namor & the Invaders are going to be in Cap. Read link.

http://www.nerdsociety.com/namor-captain-america-movie-shield-sdcc/
Well, the article states that Namor will indeed be in the movie (no word of the Invaders)......and i really hate it.
Namor should not be on the Captain America movie, as neither should the Invaders.
It´s true that Namor was the one responsible for Cap "return" to the world of the living (or the unfrozen), but, if you look at it, it´s basically irrelevant for him to do so, so, he should have no place in the movie.
As for the Invaders, i like the idea of their existance, but they shouldn´t be on the movie as well (nor Thor on the Nazi side, that´s just stupid).
If Marvel wants, make a movie about the Invaders, but don´t put them in a Captain America movie.
Cap movie should be a Saving Private Ryan / Flags of Our Fathers kind of movie but with a superhero in the mix, so, more superheroes in the mix is a big no in my book.

Well, so far, Namor and the Invaders, the subtitle: The First Avenger and ending the movie on modern days are the thing i really don´t like about the movie.
More things to come i´m sure :(

[Norm3]

Marvel needs a way to introduce its other heros. So get use to these cameos. They are even thinking about doing 10 min film features of some of the other lesser known characters.

[Isildur´s Heir]

I´m all for cameos, but they need to make sense and not ruin the movie.
To introduce characters in the wrong moment and movie is not just stupid, is laziness to come up with better ideas.
Want a much better way to introduce Namor in movie, in the Fantastic Four.
That´s exactly how it happend in the comics, that´s how he was "reborn" in the comics during the Silver Age.
And he would not be only a cameo, but a important character, with the all love triangle with Susan Storm Richards and war on the surface.

[Norm3]

Namor was in a Cap book in the 1940s.

[Norm3]

Namor was in a Cap Comic book in the 1940s.

[captainrogers]

I think Namor & the Invaders are going to be in Cap. Read link.

http://www.nerdsociety.com/namor-captain-america-movie-shield-sdcc/

I'm still a bit skeptical as to whether or not Namor will be in the flick. I saw the interview where he was posed that question, and Johnston's reaction seemed to straddle confusion. Had he said," no, Namor will not have wings on his feet", then I'd be more convinced. To me, it seemed like he was caught off guard by the phrase 'wings on his feet/ankles', that he thought to just answer that none of the characters in his film have avian feet. I'd LOVE to be wrong about this. Heck, the kid in me wants to see all the Classic Invaders in the movie. Hopefully we can get more solid confirmation.

[Surfer]

Does anyone know if nerdsociety is a trustworthy source for confirming information? I would like to see Namor in the movie for a cameo provided it's done correctly, but I just hope that they don't throw so much into the movie that it misses the point that this is a movie about Captain America. It also seems that nerdsociety is confirming that Captain America will not have wings on his helmet. Sure hope that part is not true.

Surfer

[davince338]

Although we are changing the topic a bit, i got the information here.

http://www.**************.com/fansites/BrentSprecher/news/?a=20633

And for me it's still wings for Cap, painted, embossed, real wings that doesn't matter that much anymore, but give him some kind of wings

[Surfer]

Yeah, that article is what started much of the wing debating besides of course the Captain America concept art. Some people believe that Joe was just caught off guard with the question regarding Namor, and that he could have meant that Namor has no wings because he is not in the movie. While others interpret it to mean that Namor will appear in the movie and have no wings. Also, the article at the top suggests that Joe has dewinged another superhero, and while concept art has been released without any sign of wings, we do have knowledge that Captain America will be wearing a few different costumes during the filming. In addition we do not know if the 2 concept art pieces released, show the same or different Captain America costumes. The poll on the hype here suggests that most people believe it is for 2 different costumes (WWII Cap and Modern Day Cap), but nothing has been confirmed. So, even the wings on Captain America's head is somewhat speculative at the moment.

Surfer

[kendo]

(nor Thor on the Nazi side, that´s just stupid).

Wait.....what?

[Agent 194]

Yes, to wings.

[GhostPoet]

Of course wings!!


...we're talking about tampons, right?

[Surfer]

ghostpoet, I think you mean pads, as far as I know tampons don't have wings :)

Surfer

[Slushy]

I miss the wings. Hopefully, he'll get them at the end of the film or something.

[Surfer]

Agreed.

Surfer

[Rage]

I'll bet that the USO costume will have wings.

[Surfer]

Well hopefully they will give us something.

Surfer

[Norm3]

I'll bet that the USO costume will have wings.
I was thinking the same thing.

[TayDee]

To me i wouldn't care because I think there kinda corny looking

[misjuevos]

gotta have the "wings of liberty" on his head. it's part of the symbolism. or else you might as well put him in camouflage. he is supposed to an american icon/symbol. damn the critics, grow a dick and give him wings,lol

[captainrogers]

I want wings. But they wont make or break the film. I think the star, stripes, blue, white and "A" on his forehead, are indicative enough of America. Wings would just be the icing on the film cake. I'm a fat kid who just wants good cake, icing or not.

[Surfer]

Well Marvel has done a pretty good job (in my opinion) of getting most of the important details right in their other movies, so I am going to continue to stay positive about Captain America having wings until I hear confirmation otherwise.

Surfer

[Rage]

Still need more Stripes on Cap. Ole Glory is like 80% stripes and that costume is like 2 percent strips. I can live without the wings... Happy to see the Pirate boots gone, but the stripes around the midsection are a MUST!! And we need more than just 2.

[That person]

Well Marvel has done a pretty good job (in my opinion) of getting most of the important details right in their other movies, so I am going to continue to stay positive about Captain America having wings until I hear confirmation otherwise.

Surfer

The official teaser poster clearly lacks wings. Ah well, it should still be all right.

[marcvader]

It is an early teaser so things could still change. Who knows?

[Surfer]

The Captain America Teaser Poster in my opinon is still considered concept art and should not be trusted entirely. For example, in the Thor Teaser Poster (where he is fighting Loki), it showed Loki sporting a black pony tail popping out of his helmet. However, in all of the actual images we have seen of Thor, there does not seem to be any indication of a black pony tail coming out of his helmet. So, like marcvader pointed out, it is still early and things can change.

Surfer

[misjuevos]

all ive been saying is if thor odin can have wings, and loki horns what's the big deal in shying away from caps wings.

[Surfer]

It shouldn't be a big deal and Captain America should have wings.

Surfer