ORGANICS SUCK!!!! (A Tribute Thread)

[Daisy]

As I was reading the various threads discussing the reboot, I felt a strange sense of deja vu. Yet, I felt there was something missing that I couldn't quite put my finger on.

Then I realized what it was, there was no one putting those pesky man-spider fans in their place!

And so (after a bit of archival research), I present the beloved Mr Parker in all his glory:

Spider-Man without the mechs is like Batman without the batmobile,or Captain America without his shield or James Bond drinking a beer instead of the classic martini shaken but not stirred that he always asked for.

anybody who likes organic webbing is not a true spidey fan because the fact that people could possibly not care about sony raping to death his character like they did in the movie by giving him organic webbing makes me sick.They have raped to death his character with organics because he is a damn monster now and no longer human anymore. the REAL reason they used organics in the movie was the director was too damn lazy to try and incorporate them in the movie because he did not want to take the extra 5 minutes of screentime it would take to put them in the movie and explain them so he took the easy and lazy way out with organics. the shooters are very much an important part of his character because like you said,he could always show his superiour intelligence over the average man with them.any idiot like flash thompson could have become spiderman with organic webbing but not just anybody could have had the smarts like peter did to invent th webbing.he was a special and unique person,it was a gift he had that very few people have.and you hit the nail on the head,it makes no sense for the webbing to shoot out of his hands.realistically they would shoot out of his butt.Great thread. if not for those stupid movies of sonys and that idiot director sam raimi ,they would never have been introduced in the comics.

because of organics we now got the character of MAN-SPIDER instead of spider-man

:applaud TRUE SPIDEY FAN :applaud

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Now that that's taken care of...

While I certainly don't share all of Mr P's sentiments (i.e. anyone liking the Sony Spider-Man films aren't true spidey fans, but man-spider fans), I do agree that mechanized web-shooters are something integral to the Spider-Man mythos. Like Mr P said, they are emblematic in showing how Peter Parker was special, how his intelligence and problem-sovling abilities allowed him to really make use of the power he was given (unlike someone like Flash Thompson).

Additionally, the constant need to buy supplies to create web fluid presented him with another challenge in his life, and the fact that his webbing could run out prevented him from using it as a cruch, forcing him to once again rely on his own intelligence and skills to get himself out of a jam. For me, that was always one of the more appealing things about Spider-Man (also why I prefer Batman over Superman, but that's for another forum).

So, I say, organics DO suck. The film-makers should do it right this time and use mechanical web-shooters.

[The Joker]

Mr Parker.....oh the memories. Shame you couldn't find any of Bakerboy's posts, too. They were a dynamic duo together.

[Daisy]

This is the only remaining quote from bakerboy on Spider-Man (the others relate to Batman).

The question posed was which was worse the GG costume or the Organics:

Power ranger costume was a total joke, but with the organics they rapped the character and made of him a man spider. Both were a sin for the true spider man fans. They are just ridiculous and absurd. Its hard to choose , but the organics were a little bit worse than the goblin costume.

[TheSlag]

hehe.. *breaks into song*... Memmmorrriessssss... Like the corners of my mind... *Hears Cats start howling...

Man-Spider... True Spider-Man fans... ahh, sweet memories. :up:

Those were the days. When you could really get into it with the umm... errr... "unique" posters that were on the site.

Wow. I hate it that I basically agree with Mr. Parker, not to his lunatic extent mind you, but I do prefer Mechs.\

Man, I really miss those days.

Oh yeah... almost forgot.. *clears throat*....

MARRY ME!!!! :cwink:

[Daisy]

It's like when you're talking politics and some guy who agrees with you jumps in and then takes it ten steps further, and his way of saying things is so horrible you just think: "Please... don't help me. :("

I don't think that the organics made the movies bad or really detracted from the films. At the same time, though, they didn't really add or enhance the film either. There was nothing they did with the organics that they couldn't have done with mechanical webshooters. There was nothing that made you think: "Aha! Now I understand why they felt the need to change it. They wanted to show X." They were just ... there.

Mechs, on the other hand, provide an opportunity to really highlight another dimention of Peter's character - ingenuity.

[TheSlag]

It's like when you're talking politics and some guy who agrees with you jumps in and then takes it ten steps further, and his way of saying things is so horrible you just think: "Please... don't help me. :("

I don't think that the organics made the movies bad or really detracted from the films. At the same time, though, they didn't really add or enhance the film either. There was nothing they did with the organics that they couldn't have done with mechanical webshooters. There was nothing that made you think: "Aha! Now I understand why they felt the need to change it. They wanted to show X." They were just ... there.

Mechs, on the other hand, provide an opportunity to really highlight another dimention of Peter's character - ingenuity.

LOL. I agree. It's not like the Organics ruined the movie for me, or made it the Amazing Man-Spider for me (thank you bakerboy and Mr. Parker)... but the Organics vs. the Mechs left a dimension out of Peter Parker for me, that I want to see in the reboot.

[brianbuck]

I think the Spectacular Spider Man animated series showed how out-of-place and unneeded the organic web shooters were. I hope we get mechs in the reboot.

[Franklin Richards]

If they were really organic they'd be coming out of his butt.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Spider-Kid]

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[Alex The Great]

Man, how did you find those posts? I want to be able to read the days of old Hype :csad:

[Carcharodon]

If they were really organic they'd be coming out of his butt.



:thing: :doom: :thing:Not necessarily. That assumption is based on a grossly oversimplified view of human and spider anatomy.

[Franklin Richards]

Would it be coming out of his hands?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Carcharodon]

**** no lol.

[Daisy]

It'd be coming out of his belly button.

[Carcharodon]

....no.

[Daisy]

Dude, I think you're marching to the beat of a different drum here.

[Alex The Great]

The webbing comes out of his penis


Case Closed :up:

[Carcharodon]

Dude, I think you're marching to the beat of a different drum here.....no.

The webbing comes out of his penis


Case Closed :up:....yes. :up:

[Eggyman]

The webbing comes out of his penis


Case Closed :up:

The next time I see Spidey shoot webs at a bad guy's face, the charm will be lost.

[chaseter]

Organics are better for the environment.

[Ken-Kaniff]

WOW! What a mature title this thread has...;)

[Spider-Aziz]

I disagree with Mr Parker whoever he is, fans of the organic shooters are still Spidey fans, they simply accepted the change for the movies

[Spider-Who?]

oh man....i became a member of Spider-Man Hype! so I could post in the Organics SUCK!!!!!!! thread. Wow, to think its been 10 years....

[Irony-Man]

I disagree with Mr Parker whoever he is, fans of the organic shooters are still Spidey fans, they simply accepted the change for the movies

Mr Parker was not a person. He was a concept, an idea, a man-spider bashing wraith! If you took every cliche of what is wrong with fanboys, rolled them up into one uber fanboy and ran their thoughts thru the OPPOSITE of spell check (while applying random caPITALIzation and personal attacks), then you would come close to recreating the glory that was Mr Parker.

Arguing with Mr Parker was the most fun the Hype has ever been.

Thousands of years from now, when Spider-man, man-spider, organic webbing and even Mr Parker himself have been forgotten, the SPIRIT of his semi-coherent, pourly speled, CAPITALIZEED, rants aginst SONY raping his childhood, will remain. Every time a fan rails against a change made to a beloved character, every time an internet troll SHOUTS at someone thru his computer, every time a clearly derailed argument is endlessly repeated, every time a logical inconsistency is pointed out but ignored in teh next post, we can say thank you to MR Parker.

If I may paraphrase BakerBoy: "I knew Mr Parker. I served on teh Hype with Mr Parker and you SIR are NO MR PARKER!

[Daisy]

:slowclap:

[Spider-Fan]

I remember those two. Good times, good times :up:

We can't insane people like this anymore :(

[dan1]

oh man....i became a member of Spider-Man Hype! so I could post in the Organics SUCK!!!!!!! thread. Wow, to think its been 10 years....

Yes. I joined 10 years ago for the same reason. haha.

P.S.....Organics Suck.

[RustyCage]

I have to agree about the importance of the web shooters to Peter's character, and what a marvel they are.

But the sort of religious nutball behavior I keep seeing is a bit much. :oldrazz:

[Zimmy]

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.

[PROLIFIK1]

^ I was never into organics, but after seeing Raimi's trilogy, common sense set in and it made all sense. All you're points is exactly what I was thinking. I totally agree with you!

[Knightsaber Priss]

I think bakerboy and Mr. Parker need to come back. A Spider-man movie conversation isn't the same without them. :(

[p4poetic]

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.

Agreed on all points.

When people think about spiders, its arguable to say the first thing they think about is the webs they make. So why couldn't that possibly be one of the powers Peter inherits?

[MessiahDecoy123]

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.
and the Sandman does?

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?
No, he invented it because he was inspired by his super powers.

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?
1) You wouldn't get a spider sense from spider genetics.

2) Parker is meta-human not a spider hybrid. There's no reason he should have spider body parts which is disgusting. Stan Lee knew what he was doing when he made Parker a meta-human without spider parts.

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?
The formula for Parker's webbing is fictional. We don't know is it's made from cheap, widely available chemicals. We do know the web fluid expands once it is released from the web shooter, so it takes a much smaller amount to create miles of webbing.

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?
What is a webshooter. Basically a silly string can made into a bracelet. It's not rocket science.

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.
They don't solve anything.

They take away the character's major contribution to his own superpowers. They take away his ability to change web formula to battle foes like Electro, Rhino and Mysterio. They take away Spider-man's technological parallel to foes like Dr. Octopus and Green Goblin. They take away one of the coolest gadget's in comic book history.

[MessiahDecoy123]

But this isn't a webshooter debate thread so I'll just say, ORGANICS STILL SUCK!!

[Spider-Aziz]

Web shooters are probably mechanical, you lovers of faithfulness got your wishes

[Donald Thomas]

But this isn't a webshooter debate thread so I'll just say, ORGANICS STILL SUCK!!

Aloha,
AMEN!
Spidey rules

[Timstuff]

The webbing comes out of his penis


Case Closed :up:

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[Ajendo]

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.

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[Mr.LethalWeapon]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4497/auntmaysemen4az.jpg
Excellent!

[JaD]

Wow, I really wish I was on these forums when the first Spidey film was coming out, hmm I would've been around 13 or 14 at that time :funny: No way I'd be that qualified to contribute to a "Organics vs. Webshooter" debate :hehe:

[dru-zod2501]

Agreed on all points.

When people think about spiders, its arguable to say the first thing they think about is the webs they make. So why couldn't that possibly be one of the powers Peter inherits?
Beat me to it. Look, I don't want to diss the importance of the web-shooters, lord knows they've been important over the years especially for reasons that others have posted above, but inheriting the ability to make webs from a spider? the idea itself is "organic" it just makes more sense to me. I missed organics when they got erased in the comics, but that's not the worst thing to have happened in the last several years.

Going the webshooter route in the movie, I'm actually excited for that! I have to see how they handle it and not have them look bulky, and without doing it Ben Reilly style. Comics it never mattered cause the audience just takes for granted they're there. On an actual costume it's something completely different

[TheSlag]

/\... so I guess your a fan of Peter growing 2 sets of arms and 2 sets of legs to have 8 like arachnids? :cwink:

[MessiahDecoy123]

You forgot eight eyes.

If spiders have eight eyes why didn't Peter Parker get eight eyes. It doesn't make sense! Damn youz Stan Lee!

[dru-zod2501]

/\... so I guess your a fan of Peter growing 2 sets of arms and 2 sets of legs to have 8 like arachnids? :cwink:
the six-armed Spidey was sufficient enough:cwink:

[Timstuff]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9786/trollfightwebshooters.jpg

[buckinpgh]

Yes, organics do suck.

Thank you.

[Paulrome]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9786/trollfightwebshooters.jpg

That sums up pretty much the decade of dispute.

[Joker]

I'd just like to throw out I also miss Spiderfreddie complaining about Freddie Prinz Jr. not playing Peter.

[Daisy]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9786/trollfightwebshooters.jpg

haha... very nice Timstuff.

Thanks. :up:

[Bill]

The formula for Parker's webbing is fictional. We don't know is it's made from cheap, widely available chemicals. We do know the web fluid expands once it is released from the web shooter, so it takes a much smaller amount to create miles of webbing.



If Peter Parker could create a web fluid that can be made cheaply from widely available chemicals, have a tensile strength that is stronger than any known metal fiber of equal weight, and dissolve without a trace after it has been used, he would never have to worry about paying the bills. He would have wealth to rival Tony Stark. It never made much sense to make him smart enough to do that, but be too stupid to market it and help fund his crime fighting and help himself and his aunt.

[dan1]

If Peter Parker could create a web fluid that can be made cheaply from widely available chemicals, have a tensile strength that is stronger than any known metal fiber of equal weight, and dissolve without a trace after it has been used, he would never have to worry about paying the bills. He would have wealth to rival Tony Stark. It never made much sense to make him smart enough to do that, but be too stupid to market it and help fund his crime fighting and help himself and his aunt.

Organics Suck!

[Godzilla2014]

If Peter Parker could create a web fluid that can be made cheaply from widely available chemicals, have a tensile strength that is stronger than any known metal fiber of equal weight, and dissolve without a trace after it has been used, he would never have to worry about paying the bills. He would have wealth to rival Tony Stark. It never made much sense to make him smart enough to do that, but be too stupid to market it and help fund his crime fighting and help himself and his aunt.

Agreed. I have no problems with the webshooters as a superpower rather than a device. While I understand the complaints such as no special webbing (which, let's face it, you wouldn't have seen anyway), it undermines the character's everyman appeal. If Peter isn't rich because he doesn't sell the ****ing webbing, that makes it harder for the audience to relate to him, because that would probably be the first thing they would do with such an opportunity. And it's not as though Peter has a legitamate reason not to do so in the comics, it's just because the writers want him to be poor.

As for the "Man-Spider Monster" arguement; That just seems asinine to me. So he's a MAN if he's super-strong, can crawl on walls, sense danger precognitively, and react with superhuman reflexes, yet he's a MONSTER if he's super-strong, can crawl on walls, sense danger precognitively, react with superhuman reflexes, and SPINS WEBS?

[©KAW]

Organics 10 years later still suck!

[Caprican]

The superhero genre is probably the most dethatched-from-reality form of fiction out there, so debating science or common sense in matter is pointless.
As a comic book reader I rather view it as a true modern-day mythology.
So, I apologize if this sounds snobbish, but I think the only concept worth talking about here is metaphor.
What do webshooters express as a symbol?
In my honest opinion, they represent Peter Parker's own contribution to his superpowers, which were granted to him only by dumb luck. By adding his own human ingenuity to the mix, he perfects an otherwise incomplete symbol of a 'spider-man'. And which in turn merges both Peter and Spidey into one character, allowing them to coexist and work together at all times, rather than shape-shifting into two completely different personas when he puts the mask on and off.
While organics have no such symbolic value and in fact separate Peter from Spider-Man even more.

I don't read comic books to learn about how to make a fortune with revolutionary adhesive manufacturing.
I read them to reinforce my own sense of justice and tolerance.

And even back in the day I thought that Sam Raimi’s argument of making Peter 'more relatable to the average audience' was just silly. Considering that he had no problem with him being able to tailor a costume that would cost millions of dollars to make.
Regardless, my humble self could probably relate more to a rock than a science nerd.
It's never been about being average. It's about being different.
I don't want to relate to him, I wanna be him.

On another note, organics sound plausible only because saying 'science did it!' is less susceptible to scrutiny than applying a layman's logic on webshooters. After all, there's nothing scientific about gaining superpowers after being bitten by a radioactive spider. It's used as a magical plot device only because the layman is unqualified to question it. Back in the 60s it was radiation, today it's genetic engineering...

[Godzilla2014]

The superhero genre is probably the most dethatched-from-reality form of fiction out there, so debating science or common sense in matter is pointless.
As a comic book reader I rather view it as a true modern-day mythology.
So, I apologize if this sounds snobbish, but I think the only concept worth talking about here is metaphor.
What do webshooters express as a symbol?
In my honest opinion, they represent Peter Parker's own contribution to his superpowers, which were granted to him only by dumb luck. By adding his own human ingenuity to the mix, he perfects an otherwise incomplete symbol of a 'spider-man'. And which in turn merges both Peter and Spidey into one character, allowing them to coexist and work together at all times, rather than shape-shifting into two completely different personas when he puts the mask on and off.
While organics have no such symbolic value and in fact separate Peter from Spider-Man even more.

I don't read comic books to learn about how to make a fortune with revolutionary adhesive manufacturing.
I read them to reinforce my own sense of justice and tolerance.

And even back in the day I thought that Sam Raimi’s argument of making Peter 'more relatable to the average audience' was just silly. Considering that he had no problem with him being able to tailor a costume that would cost millions of dollars to make.
Regardless, my humble self could probably relate more to a rock than a science nerd.
It's never been about been average. It's about being different.
I don't want to relate to him, I wanna be him.

On another note, organics sound plausible only because saying 'science did it!' is less susceptible to scrutiny than applying a layman's logic on webshooters. After all, there's nothing scientific about gaining superpowers after being bitten by a radioactive spider. It's used as a magical plot device only because the layman is unqualified to question it. Back in the 60s it was radiation, today it's genetic engineering...

I'd say that fantasy is more detached from reality than superheroes are, because superheroes like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man live in a world much like own, even if it is a stylized one at that, as opposed to Middle Earth.
Still, it causes Peter's money problems to no resonate with the audience. The audience will not tolerate Peter Parker *****ing about, "I don't have enough money to help Aunt May", if he has an easy way to make a fortune.

[Caprican]

I'd say that fantasy is more detached from reality than superheroes are, because superheroes like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man live in a world much like own, even if it is a stylized one at that, as opposed to Middle Earth.
Perhaps but I'd personally put them both in the same category...along with something like Star Wars.
If fantasy uses magic, then SW treats science like magic. While superheroes have a mixture of both.
Basically, they have different settings/time-periods but all three use the same level of escapism.

Still, it causes Peter's money problems to no resonate with the audience. The audience will not tolerate Peter Parker *****ing about, "I don't have enough money to help Aunt May", if he has an easy way to make a fortune.
Let me ask you this - when you say 'the audience', do you mean yourself, or are you genuinely concerned for the perspective of the average moviegoer?

[Godzilla2014]

Perhaps but I'd personally put them both in the same category...along with something like Star Wars.
If fantasy uses magic, then SW treats science like magic. While superheroes have a mixture of both.
Basically, they have different settings/time-periods but all three use the same level of escapism.


Let me ask you this - when you say 'the audience', do you mean yourself, or are you genuinely concerned for the perspective of the average moviegoer?

A bit of both. I just don't buy it when Peter *****es about being poor when he's sitting on a ****ing gold mine. It's called a plot hole, which audiences and critics will notice.

[Caprican]

A bit of both. I just don't buy it when Peter *****es about being poor when he's sitting on a ****ing gold mine. It's called a plot hole, which audiences and critics will notice.
Do you read current ASM issues?
I’m just asking because I jumped out of the loop after Straczynski's run (for obvious reasons), so you might know more than me.
Raimi's movies were free to use that plot device because they had organics.
But when was the last time they used it in comic books?

[Godzilla2014]

Do you read current ASM issues?
I’m just asking because I jumped out of the loop after Straczynski's run (for obvious reasons), so you might know more than me.
Raimi's movies were free to use that plot device because they had organics.
But when was the last time they used it in comic books?

I actually have stopped giving a damn about Spider-Man (at least in comics) after One More Day & Brand New Day, and Marvel's refusal to reverse it.
As for the plot device, I don't remember, but it's supposed to be most relatable aspects of the character. For me, even though I am not wealthy like Batman, I can relate more to Bruce Wayne's wealth than I can Peter Parker's arbitrary lack of wealth because, if I invented web-fluid, I would sell that **** faster than you can say "super-strong adhesive". Spider-Man in general seems to preach that there is only altruism or harming others for personal gain, which is a load of ****.

[Caprican]

I actually have stopped giving a damn about Spider-Man (at least in comics) after One More Day & Brand New Day, and Marvel's refusal to reverse it.
Yeah, me too. But I still have all those graphic novels from the past that I enjoy. And I might start reading the new version of Ultimate Spider-Man pretty soon.
Do you still like Spider-Man at least?

As for the plot device, I don't remember, but it's supposed to be most relatable aspects of the character.That might be something that the character began with but that doesn't mean that they're still running with that cliché for appeal...although as far as we both know they might just be doing that right now...

For me, even though I am not wealthy like Batman, I can relate more to Bruce Wayne's wealth than I can Peter Parker's arbitrary lack of wealth because, if I invented web-fluid, I would sell that **** faster than you can say "super-strong adhesive". Spider-Man in general seems to preach that there is only altruism or harming others for personal gain, which is a load of ****. Well, for one, I myself reject the idea that superheroes are supposed to comply with audience’s ideals. I don’t have to agree with a character to enjoy his story objectively.

And as much as I like to avoid such scrutinizing, I could humor you and list a few reasons for Peter’s lack of interest in making a profit:
- There’s not much use in an adhesive that dissolves after an hour (*sigh* silly pseudoscientific excuse, I know);
- Peter has no knack for being an entrepreneur. Not all people prefer to follow their exact qualifications...
- He tried to make a career in showbusiness once, it didn’t work, so he feels guilty about using his powers for personal gain ever since. Power and responsibility and all that jazz...
- He feels that if he becomes a CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation, he might compromise his superhero career;
Or how about this wild psychological one:
- Even if he would never admit it, deep down he can’t stand Aunt May and her constantly dragging him down and preventing him from fulfilling his true potential as a crime fighter, so he's mentally blocking himself from helping her more than he has to...
Alright, that last one was ********.

Otherwise, why don’t you come up with your own reason?
I can see this particular matter bothers you quite a bit.
So if one enjoys and cares about a story enough, why not go the extra mile and fill in all the plotholes with your own creativity? It’s fiction after all. Why should the artist always spoon feed the audience? Why can’t the audience involve itself deeper into the story? Many fanboys seem to manage with that quite well.

However, that’s all secondary. Because I could make the same argument of why couldn’t Peter use all the rest of his powers, including organic webbing, for personal gain?
Didn’t quite work out in wrestling? Well, why don’t you try again?
Why couldn’t Bruce Wayne simply use all his wealth and influence to fight corruption as a normal man?
It’s all because their true calling is to fight crime with violence.
That’s the whole point of the superhero genre.
That’s why we read them in the first place.
Oh, I don’t want to paint them all as nothing more than action saturated pulp. Most of them are far from it.
But all that character development is just so they’d be more emotionally appealing to us than just another bland cookie-cutter action hero.
And identifying with a character emotionally is quite different from identifying with him personally.
Being an atheist I shouldn’t even want to be associated with Peter for all those times when he ‘tries to talk to god’, especially considering that he has to be a ‘man of science’. And yet, here I am...

[Mary Jane Watson]

Carpican. Well said.
All I can say is O.r.a.n.g.i.c.s.S.u.c.k. :)

Hey thread-manager, can u close this thread. plz?? It is getting too old (10 yrs) and pointless.

kaythanksbye.

[Agent 194]

"If Peter Parker could create a web fluid that can be made cheaply from widely available chemicals, have a tensile strength that is stronger than any known metal fiber of equal weight, and dissolve without a trace after it has been used, he would never have to worry about paying the bills. He would have wealth to rival Tony Stark. It never made much sense to make him smart enough to do that, but be too stupid to market it and help fund his crime fighting and help himself and his aunt."

@Bill.

It's a comic book and like everything else in the comic book world I bought it hook, line and sinker. But as I say often, then again, I'm the guy who bought every bit of Adam West's performance as Batman when I was a kid. And...I took it seriously.

[Daisy]

Carpican. Well said.
All I can say is O.r.a.n.g.i.c.s.S.u.c.k. :)

Hey thread-manager, can u close this thread. plz?? It is getting too old (10 yrs) and pointless.

kaythanksbye.

It's not a 10-year-old thread.

And I think you missed the point.

Maybe you should pay more attention.

kyathanksbye.

[Daisy]

And as much as I like to avoid such scrutinizing, I could humor you and list a few reasons for Peter’s lack of interest in making a profit:
- There’s not much use in an adhesive that dissolves after an hour (*sigh* silly pseudoscientific excuse, I know);


I find myself wondering how many people have actually read (or even skimmed) the "classic" Spider-Man comics (anything pre-Venom:huh:)? This actually was the reason (ASM 18). He's turned down because of how quickly it disolves.

[Mary Jane Watson]

Yes it is. Ever since when SM1 announced that there is going be organics not mach one.
So thats like 10 years ago.
It is a "10-year-old- thread".

Maybe you should pay more attention :)

kaythanksbye.

[Daisy]

Mind-boggling.

[Mary Jane Watson]

Yes, I know. I am sorry about that.

[Godzilla2014]

"If Peter Parker could create a web fluid that can be made cheaply from widely available chemicals, have a tensile strength that is stronger than any known metal fiber of equal weight, and dissolve without a trace after it has been used, he would never have to worry about paying the bills. He would have wealth to rival Tony Stark. It never made much sense to make him smart enough to do that, but be too stupid to market it and help fund his crime fighting and help himself and his aunt."

@Bill.

It's a comic book and like everything else in the comic book world I bought it hook, line and sinker. But as I say often, then again, I'm the guy who bought every bit of Adam West's performance as Batman when I was a kid. And...I took it seriously.

This is something that I don't feel the "It's a comic book/movie/what the **** ever" excuse really flies. I can accept that Peter has spider-powers, but I don't get why, if he has money problems and a solution for them, why he wouldn't use it. He may have super powers, but he should make realistic choices.

[Jerkofwonder]

I think ultimate did it pretty well in having it be something primarily done by Peter's dad that Peter just finished. And I'd guess he wouldn't market it for fear that it could possibly expose him as spiderman.

[Godzilla2014]

I think ultimate did it pretty well in having it be something primarily done by Peter's dad that Peter just finished. And I'd guess he wouldn't market it for fear that it could possibly expose him as spiderman.

That does kind of make sense. As for exposing his identity, assuming that holds up, then I never understood why he wouldn't do it after he revealed his secret identity to the public.

[dan1]

Organics Suck!

[The Lizard]

As much as I hate to give ammunition to the pro-organics argument...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/13382903

"Tarantulas eject silk through their feet to anchor themselves to slippery, vertical surfaces, say scientists.

The discovery, published in the Journal of Experimental Biology, shows how these large but very fragile spiders avoid potentially lethal falls.

The team designed an experiment to dislodge the spiders' feet slightly, by gently shaking a glass tank as they climbed up the side.

Examining glass slides from under the tarantulas' feet revealed their secret. "

[dan1]

Organics Suck!

[MessiahDecoy123]

As much as I hate to give ammunition to the pro-organics argument...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/13382903

"Tarantulas eject silk through their feet to anchor themselves to slippery, vertical surfaces, say scientists.

The discovery, published in the Journal of Experimental Biology, shows how these large but very fragile spiders avoid potentially lethal falls.

The team designed an experiment to dislodge the spiders' feet slightly, by gently shaking a glass tank as they climbed up the side.

Examining glass slides from under the tarantulas' feet revealed their secret. "
But Peter wasn't bit by a Tarantula so how did he get that webbing location?

[Daisy]

As much as I hate to give ammunition to the pro-organics argument...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/13382903

"Tarantulas eject silk through their feet to anchor themselves to slippery, vertical surfaces, say scientists.

The discovery, published in the Journal of Experimental Biology, shows how these large but very fragile spiders avoid potentially lethal falls.

The team designed an experiment to dislodge the spiders' feet slightly, by gently shaking a glass tank as they climbed up the side.

Examining glass slides from under the tarantulas' feet revealed their secret. "

Somehow, I don't see this deterring the valiant Mr Parker and his esteemed sidekick bakerboy.

[Mary Jane Watson]

I hate Orangic web but I think that Sam did pull that very well.

[Mary Jane Watson]

M...ooo...ddd. Come here. Get that person banned. Pleaseee....

[Daisy]

Using the "Report a Post" button (the ! in the red/white triangle in the lower left) is much more effective.

Edit: Thank you to the moderator. :)

[dan1]

Organics Suck!

Organics Suck! I agree with this guy. But anyway, this thread is NOT a debate thread, nor was it intended to be a debate thread, so in all honestly, this is what it is.................



Organics Suck!!!!

[Mary Jane Watson]

Organics Suck! I agree with this guy. But anyway, this thread is NOT a debate thread, nor was it intended to be a debate thread, so in all honestly, this is what it is.................



Organics Suck!!!!


You need to take Xanax pills :oldrazz:

[Daisy]

Organics Suck! I agree with this guy. But anyway, this thread is NOT a debate thread, nor was it intended to be a debate thread, so in all honestly, this is what it is.................



Organics Suck!!!!

God bless reading comprehension. :cwink:

[Mary Jane Watson]

^ Haha yeah.

[dan1]

^ Haha yeah.

I've been on this board for over 10 years and post occasionally. My heart rate is normal. I would use the word -calm- to explain my demeanor here.

I guess in posts, IMs and emails you just can't truly express yourself as intended.

All I'm saying is this thread is a tribute thread that 'Organics Suck!"

This thread is not up for debate. Go look at the title and first post about it.

Same would be if there was a thread that mechs suck. So spiderfan24, no hard feelings, but also no reason to provide, or decide, a prescribed drug for what makes me "abnormal" to you based on my response.

So here it is..........you know it.......you know what's coming.................



Organics Suck!!!!


...tribute... JB KG

[chesslover]

Organics for president!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dan1]

Organics for president!!!!!!!!!!!!

Organics for the president of suck.

Organics Suck!!!!

[Daisy]

Hurrah! I was able to find some more classic Mr P from the archives:

We ALREADY have MAN-SPIDER in these movies.sony raped to death the character of spider-man by turning him into a damn monster giving him those organic webbing that shoots out of his body therefore he is ALREADY a MAN-SPIDER. organic webbing=MAN-SPIDER. chemical webbing =SPIDER-MAN.

see it doesnt matter in any of these scenarios whether he is the full grown MAN-SPIDER with fangs,fur and claws and 8 arms,or if he only has 8 arms,or if he only has organic webbing,in either of those scenarios he is MAN-SPIDER. as you can see though,most people here live in denial on that issue though and believe that a spider-man movie has been made when really only a MAN-SPIDER movie has been made.


That sucks they are making a manspider 3.

I guess the hyphen isn't so important in Man-Spider. :o

[Daisy]

Also, I have found Mr Parker alive and well and posting on another forum.

He doesn't like the new costume:

yeah the costume was one of the few things right those crappy movies DID do right.thios costume i dont care for at all with those slippers on the feet.

But does at least consider the new film an actual "Spider-Man" film as opposed to a "Man-Spider" film:

The other thing I got to say is at least the TRUE spidey fans are finally getting to see SPIDER-MAN on thie screen.Not this phony neautered Man-Spider version of sonys that many fans ignorantly embrassed and loved the idea of.Organics=Man-spider, chemical shooters=spider-man.the people that talked so much about how much they loved the idea of organics are not true spidey fans,they are man-spider fans,because it raped to death his character turning him into a monster.for the people who accepted that,they are a sellout to spidey.thank god sony got their head out of their butt this time and finally listend to the fans and this time we at least get to see the REAL spider-man on screen.Not the phony neauterved version of sonys they had before.Hopefully Mark Webb isnt a phony like Raimi CLAIMING to be a fan of spiderman but clearly did not care about the fans.

And he still hates organics with a passion:

the organics are such a joke and moronic its pathetic.that movie SHOULD have been called MAN-SPIDER,its rapes to death his character.

And when challenged that "organics make sense":

wrong,you did not read my post.organics make no sense at all in that they would shoot out of his ass if he had them.thats what is so stupid about the organics and these movies is they went and had him run out in the movies with organics which makes him screwed if e wants to fight a villain where with the mechs,he can easily refill and get reloaded.

[Daisy]

Awww... he even made his own thread entitled: Horray,this time we get spiderman,NOT MAN-SPIDER [sic]

It sure makes me happy to see that hollywood is trying to redeem themselves with spiderman by giving him the mechanical webshooters in the new movie instead of those moronic organic webshooters.whether the people who loved those moronic organics realise it or not,they raped to death his character and turned him into a damn monster when they did that and if you accepted that,well your not a true spidey fan.all we had before was those patheitc man-spider movies of sonys.Organics=man-spider,chemical shooters=spiderman.hope this time they get it right.

Unfortunately, a mod closed it and directed him to an existing thread. :csad:

[Daisy]

Oh... and some bakerboy! Who cares about clarity when you have passion?

Yes, that stupid excuse from Sam Raimi is the one of the most dumb things that i have ever heard. So, isnt realistic that a boy genious could create a web fluid but is realistic that a guy could get spider powers from the bite of a spider or at the same time a guy get superstrength drinking a formula and he could fly in a glider over the city with that stupid costume? or peter creating that high tech costume? or another things that are as bizarre or more bizarre that the fact of peter creating the web? Please, give me a break, is really ridiculous.

[TheSlag]

Thanks Daisy :hrt::hrt:

For taking me down memory lane, and remembering how great these boards used to be, before the days of "Smurfs and Rainbow Ponies" singing and dancing in harmony.

Back in the days when we had interesting posters (even if they were crazy :cwink:) as opposed to the "now class" of "Spidey Rawks" :whatever:

I miss those days when there many varied and interesting posters, and everyone did not "have" to get along together like it was Preschool Nap time.

Now, unfortunately, the good posters are few and far between in this place, and most only visit/post on special occasions or at best infrequently, and most often incognito.

Oh well, nothing lasts forever. But thanks again for the "memories" :hrt:

[Immortalfire]

I think it's safe to say that no other Hype member used the word "rape", more than Mr Parker

[Spider-Fan]

Mr. Parker is still around? That poor site :csad:

[The Lizard]

In your FACE, organics!

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/821/image0005i.jpg

[NickerNacker]

Ha! Nicely put.

[spida-man]

ORGANICS FTW!!!!!
oh wait...wrong thread :P

jk.

in all honesty i think the organic web shooters was a cool idea and you got to give the original film credit, there were gonna use mechanical web shooters originally.

[spida-man]

Originally Posted by Gold Samurai http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=20879111#post20879111)
I still have my homemade webshooter inspired by the first movie

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8024/img0179sf.jpg


The production crew toyed with webshooters before going the organic route. They even had a screensaver on the official website.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/951/98444829.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1708/preprowebshooters5gs.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4427/webshooter.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9739/webshootercloseupcompx8.jpg

what the web shooters form Raimi's films would've looked like

[MessiahDecoy123]

We've come along way baby! From being accused of being whining puirst to approaching the first time mechanical webshooters and synthetic webbing will be in a movie.

Congrats true believers!

[dan1]

We've come along way baby! From being accused of being whining puirst to approaching the first time mechanical webshooters and synthetic webbing will be in a movie.

Congrats true believers!

Here! Here!

[Batmind]

All you people crying over, why he doesn't use the webbing to make money. Ask yourself. Why doesn't he use his superstrength, agility, spidersense and wallcrawling ability to make money ? Hey could just as easily.

he has webshooters in the comics, he should have them in the movies, end of discussion.

[Spectacular23]

Organic sucks!!!
Why they just do. I love web shooters so much better!

[T-CLIPSE]

All you people crying over, why he doesn't use the webbing to make money. Ask yourself. Why doesn't he use his superstrength, agility, spidersense and wallcrawling ability to make money ? Hey could just as easily.
My,my,my.. how quickly we forget, he DID use his superstrength, agility, spidersense, and wallcrawling ability to make money, have you forgotten his wrestling gig?..money was the first thing that came to his mind once he learned what he could do, then later he decided not to use those abilties to make money because he learned....wait for it....,"with great power comes great responsibility",....sound familiar?

however...

If he's a naturally gifted person with near genius intelligence, that wouldn't be considered an abuse of power or responsibility for him to try to earn money with his own natural intellect would it?,...no, that would be plain common sense.

Yes, I'm one of those people who would ask why wouldn't he use his invention to make money, mechanical shooters are sensible in comics, but in movies it's a plot hole and illogical. If he's that smart and ingenious, why the hell would he be selling freelance photos for a living?....he could get a job down the street at Oscorp and tell J.J.J to take a hike.

[TheSlag]

Well for one, while he is out cruising the city looking for people to save, robberies to stop, muggers to put away.. etc. etc.... he can also be taking photos of said "stopped bank robberies" etc.

That way... With Great Power comes Great Responsibility can be "lived UP to" by working as a photographer. As opposed to being cooped up in a lab at Oscorp using his great intelligence to make money.

Now granted, I think the argument that web shooters and webbing leave a big plot hole to be Stupid. IT'S SPIDER-MAN!! Just saying that the one gig gives him an avenue to make money WHILE living up to the With Great Power.. yada yada yada.

HELL.. for sake of Plot Holes we COULD have him use his great intellect to find a cure for Cancer... but THAT would make a REAL exciting movie now wouldn't it.

I have no problems with Mechs. And see no such Plot holes. It's Spider-Man.

[T-CLIPSE]

Well for one, while he is out cruising the city looking for people to save, robberies to stop, muggers to put away.. etc. etc.... he can also be taking photos of said "stopped bank robberies" etc.

That way... With Great Power comes Great Responsibility can be "lived UP to" by working as a photographer. As opposed to being cooped up in a lab at Oscorp using his great intelligence to make money.
What?...he's living up to great power and responsibility by taking photos of his exploits?...so what you're saying is he feels it's okay to make a living while saving lives but he finds it irresponsible to make money working a job worthy of his intellect?

Now granted, I think the argument that web shooters and webbing leave a big plot hole to be Stupid. IT'S SPIDER-MAN!! Just saying that the one gig gives him an avenue to make money WHILE living up to the With Great Power.. yada yada yada..
Well if he's living in a rat trap apartment, can't afford the rent, can't afford to eat, his aunt is loning him money, he's riding around on a moped, but he's smart enough to design his own web fluid and wrist worn devices to fire it from but he's working as a photographer?...well in my opinion he ought to change his name from Spider-Man to Stupid-Man.

HELL.. for sake of Plot Holes we COULD have him use his great intellect to find a cure for Cancer... but THAT would make a REAL exciting movie now wouldn't it. .
See now you're just exagerrating, no one said he could cure cancer, just that he woud be smart enough to earn a living as something more than a freelance photographer for a stingy publisher.

I have no problems with Mechs. And see no such Plot holes. It's Spider-Man.
Well, as long as they explain why such an intelligent guy is selling photos for a living I won't have a problem with it either, otherwise it is indeed a plothole that would be illogical.

[Troy_Parker]

What?...he's living up to great power and responsibility by taking photos of his exploits?...so what you're saying is he feels it's okay to make a living while saving lives but he finds it irresponsible to make money working a job worthy of his intellect?


Well if he's living in a rat trap apartment, can't afford the rent, can't afford to eat, his aunt is loning him money, he's riding around on a moped, but he's smart enough to design his own web fluid and wrist worn devices to fire it from but he's working as a photographer?...well in my opinion he ought to change his name from Spider-Man to Stupid-Man.


See now you're just exagerrating, no one said he could cure cancer, just that he woud be smart enough to earn a living as something more than a freelance photographer for a stingy publisher.


Well, as long as they explain why such an intelligent guy is selling photos for a living I won't have a problem with it either, otherwise it is indeed a plothole that would be illogical.

There's a "plot hole" either way.

If he could design web fluid/shooters, why not make money out of it? = plot hole

If he has organic webbing and all the other powers, why not become famous and make money out of it? = also a plot hole

He's not making money out of his invention because he's using it for good. Not for personal gain.

[T-CLIPSE]

If he has organic webbing and all the other powers, why not become famous and make money out of it? = also a plot hole
No that's not a plot hole, Peter tried that first remember?, Stan Lee has already fully explained that he doesn't use his spider powers for money and personal gain because of "with great power comes great responsibility". He was using his POWERS to make money, and for his own selfish reasons he let a criminal get away and it cost him the life of someone close to him.

So we know why he doesn't use his POWERS to make money, but why wouldn't he use his BRAINS to make money. I'm not so much as talking about selling the web fluid itself and the shooters themselves, I'm saying why would a person that's smart enough to create them need to be working as a freelance photographer.

[Spectacular23]

There's a "plot hole" either way.

If he could design web fluid/shooters, why not make money out of it? = plot hole

If he has organic webbing and all the other powers, why not become famous and make money out of it? = also a plot hole

He's not making money out of his invention because he's using it for good. Not for personal gain.

I think this has actually been used in the comics before. Where Everybody knows peter parker is Spidey and he basically like Tony Stark. I can't remember the exact issue though.

[T-CLIPSE]

I think this has actually been used in the comics before. Where Everybody knows peter parker is Spidey and he basically like Tony Stark. I can't remember the exact issue though.
Exactly, why wouldn't he just do like Tony Stark? Tony Stark uses his brains and inventions for good PLUS to make a living. Why the hell would Tony Stark be that smart but be working for the Daily Bugle?

[Troy_Parker]

No that's not a plot hole, Peter tried that first remember?, Stan Lee has already fully explained that he doesn't use his spider powers for money and personal gain because of "with great power comes great responsibility". He was using his POWERS to make money, and for his own selfish reasons he let a criminal get away and it cost him the life of someone close to him.

So we know why he doesn't use his POWERS to make money, but why wouldn't he use his BRAINS to make money. I'm not so much as talking about selling the web fluid itself and the shooters themselves, I'm saying why would a person that's smart enough to create them need to be working as a freelance photographer.

You mentioned the famous quote but didn't really read into it...Peter's main priority isn't making money, it's protecting everyone around him.

Sure, you could say he could become rich and also be a superhero without anybody being any wiser...but come on, doesn't that remind you of a few other superheroes? :P

EDIT: He's not even working at the Daily Bugle now in the comics. He's got a much better job somewhere else. :D

[TheSlag]

What?...he's living up to great power and responsibility by taking photos of his exploits?...so what you're saying is he feels it's okay to make a living while saving lives but he finds it irresponsible to make money working a job worthy of his intellect?

I said by doing that job he could protect people while making a living.


Well if he's living in a rat trap apartment, can't afford the rent, can't afford to eat, his aunt is loning him money, he's riding around on a moped, but he's smart enough to design his own web fluid and wrist worn devices to fire it from but he's working as a photographer?...well in my opinion he ought to change his name from Spider-Man to Stupid-Man.

No, he should change his name to Corporate Sell Out Man. And my God Man... you're on to a REAL exciting concept for a movie there. QUICK.. go pitch it to the studios. :doh:


See now you're just exagerrating, no one said he could cure cancer, just that he woud be smart enough to earn a living as something more than a freelance photographer for a stingy publisher.

No, I was simply saying his occupation allowed him to also live up to the great responsibility and protect the city, while still able to make a living.


Well, as long as they explain why such an intelligent guy is selling photos for a living I won't have a problem with it either, otherwise it is indeed a plothole that would be illogical.

Yes. :whatever: Because we ALL KNOW that the movie will FAIL MISERABLY IF they do NOT explain that "plot hole"... sorry... GAPING "plot hole" :woot:

[MessiahDecoy123]

The real issue is time.

Does Parker really have the time to have a well-paying job? Between school, crimefighting and sleep he doesn't have much time for a job.

If only he could get paid while he was crimefighting somehow. Maybe he could take pics of his own crimefighting then sell them. GENIUS!

[Spectacular23]

The real issue is time.

Does Parker really have the time to have a well-paying job? Between school, crimefighting and sleep he doesn't have much time for a job.

If only he could get paid while he was crimefighting somehow. Maybe he could take pics of his own crimefighting then sell them. GENIUS!

Don't you just love Sarcasm? :cmad:
He does that now.

[T-CLIPSE]

No, he should change his name to Corporate Sell Out Man. And my God Man... you're on to a REAL exciting concept for a movie there. QUICK.. go pitch it to the studios. :doh:
Somebody already pitched it, it was called Iron Man.

Yes. :whatever: Because we ALL KNOW that the movie will FAIL MISERABLY IF they do NOT explain that "plot hole"... sorry... GAPING "plot hole" :woot:
Never said it would fail miserably, never said it was a "gaping" plot hole, I'm only saying if a guy is that smart he shouldn't have to sell photos to a newspaper to make a living, it would be like Steve Jobs co-creator of Apple working at Burger King,..but then I guess you probably consider Steve Jobs a "corporate sell-out".

[kedrell]

To me, selling the webshooters/fluid/etc. means he might as well hang a sign on himself saying "I AM SPIDER-MAN". He does have a reason for his secret identity after all.

[TheSlag]

Somebody already pitched it, it was called Iron Man.


Never said it would fail miserably, never said it was a "gaping" plot hole, I'm only saying if a guy is that smart he shouldn't have to sell photos to a newspaper to make a living, it would be like Steve Jobs co-creator of Apple working at Burger King,..but then I guess you probably consider Steve Jobs a "corporate sell-out".

IF Steve Jobs had super powers that he could of used to save lives and he shirked that "great" responsibility... I would just say he is not living up to that responsibility. NOW if he did not do it AFTER his choice NOT to use the power cost the life of someone he loved and was very close to... YES.. then I would of called him a SELL OUT.

But, Again.. THIS IS... SPIDER-MAN... not Steve Jobs Life story.

[Batmind]

No that's not a plot hole, Peter tried that first remember?, Stan Lee has already fully explained that he doesn't use his spider powers for money and personal gain because of "with great power comes great responsibility". He was using his POWERS to make money, and for his own selfish reasons he let a criminal get away and it cost him the life of someone close to him.

So we know why he doesn't use his POWERS to make money, but why wouldn't he use his BRAINS to make money. I'm not so much as talking about selling the web fluid itself and the shooters themselves, I'm saying why would a person that's smart enough to create them need to be working as a freelance photographer.

This is weird and your logic is severly flawed.

So what, he screwed up the first time. He could still be a pro-wrestler and the next time a thug tries to rob the guy that paid him, the next time someone disrupts justice in front of him, THEN be responsible, THEN use your powers for the greater good. Wrestling doesn't mean be irresponsible, he was just being an A-hole. So wrestle, make money, but don't be an A-hole.

Seriously, why did he stop wrestling ? It's not the wrestling that killed Uncle Ben, it's his inaction to stop crime when it happened right in front of him. He didn't act when he could have. This is as big a plothole as being smart enough to make webshooters and still being broke.

Maybe he just doesn't have the business smarts. I know a lot of talented artists that could be making major dough but they're broke as a joke. They just want to paint and smoke weed all day. I've been there, it happens.

Also, if he becomes some child prodigy billionaire he won't be able to be spiderman, now THAT would be irresponsible. And like MessiahDecoy said, working for the Bugle he can make money WHILE being Spiderman, thus hitting two birds with one stone.

Seriously your logic is flawed and organics suck.

[T-CLIPSE]

This is weird and your logic is severly flawed.
Matt Murdock isn't walking around broke as hell, Steve Rogers isn't walking around broke as hell, Bruce Banner isn't walking around broke as hell, Reed Richards isn't walking around broke as hell, it seems all these other hero type guys have figured out how to make a living while fighting crime.
It's not the wrestling that killed Uncle Ben
No, the wrestling gig didn't kill Uncle Ben that's true, however it's the act of using his super powers irresponsibly and failing to use them responsibly that caused his death. So I perfectly understand if a person comes to the realization that power usage for personal gain goes against the values that his Aunt and Uncle taught him in addition to that failure to use them responsibly may result in consequences.
Maybe he just doesn't have the business smarts
He doesn't have the business smarts to fill out an application and leave a resume?
Also, if he becomes some child prodigy billionaire he won't be able to be spiderman, now THAT would be irresponsible
I'm not necessarily saying "child prodigy billionaire" but if he's smart enough to create his own super strong, self dissolving adhesive and wrist worn apparatus to project it from he can do more than snap photos freelance for a living.

I understand why some people hate those organics but really it's more sensible in movies so as to not make this guy look like he's a science whiz, plus he's an engineering whiz, plus he's a talented seamstress who can sew his own intricate outfit, plus he's a photographer, plus he's Spider-Man, that's a talented guy that Peter Parker a virtual jack of all trades.

Maybe if they tell the story so that his father or someone designed the shooters and webbing and he merely manufactured it maybe it wouldn't seem so far fetched on film.

[Troy_Parker]

Matt Murdock isn't walking around broke as hell, Steve Rogers isn't walking around broke as hell, Bruce Banner isn't walking around broke as hell, Reed Richards isn't walking around broke as hell, it seems all these other hero type guys have figured out how to make a living while fighting crime.

No, the wrestling gig didn't kill Uncle Ben that's true, however it's the act of using his super powers irresponsibly and failing to use them responsibly that caused his death. So I perfectly understand if a person comes to the realization that power usage for personal gain goes against the values that his Aunt and Uncle taught him in addition to that failure to use them responsibly may result in consequences.

He doesn't have the business smarts to fill out an application and leave a resume?

I'm not necessarily saying "child prodigy billionaire" but if he's smart enough to create his own super strong, self dissolving adhesive and wrist worn apparatus to project it from he can do more than snap photos freelance for a living.

I understand why some people hate those organics but really it's more sensible in movies so as to not make this guy look like he's a science whiz, plus he's an engineering whiz, plus he's a talented seamstress who can sew his own intricate outfit, plus he's a photographer, plus he's Spider-Man, that's a talented guy that Peter Parker a virtual jack of all trades.

Maybe if they tell the story so that his father or someone designed the shooters and webbing and he merely manufactured it maybe it wouldn't seem so far fetched on film.

The only person who it seems far fetched to is you. :funny:

Bruce Wayne spends his day posing as a billionaire playboy and spends his nights hopping around on the rooftops of Gotham beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands.

Even though he's tired as ****, he also somehow manages to stick to a workout routine that allows him to continue his antics at night.

It's suspension of disbelief.

[T-CLIPSE]

The only person who it seems far fetched to is you. :funny:
I realize you're saying that jokingly but no it's not just me, there were a couple of other people supporting organics before I came on this thread which is how I chimed in in the first place.
Bruce Wayne spends his day posing as a billionaire playboy and spends his nights hopping around on the rooftops of Gotham beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands.
Yeah, and in the movies they even saw fit to give Bruce Wayne a Lucius Fox for weapons and the such, and I have to assume it's so that the character wouldn't look like he's a jack of all trades designing his own bat car, his own bat cycle, his own bat grapling hook, his own bat sonar, his own bat body armor, his own fear gas 'bat' anti-toxin, his own...oh well you get the point. Guess they didn't want the character to look so......far fetched.
It's suspension of disbelief.
Yeah that's cool, I'm going to see the movie regardless, and if nothing else the web shooters seperates it from the Raimi films. Maybe Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield might even throw in some spider tracers, and a spider belt spotlight, hell maybe Peter will even design himself a Spider-Mobile......nah that's probably too far fetched.

[Troy_Parker]

I realize you're saying that jokingly but no it's not just me, there were a couple of other people supporting organics before I came on this thread which is how I chimed in in the first place.


Haven't really read posts from anybody else, but mechanicals make more sense over organics. If he could design the web fluid that Spider-Man uses...wouldn't that basically be a tell-tale sign to everyone that he's Spider-Man?



Yeah, and in the movies they even saw fit to give Bruce Wayne a Lucius Fox for weapons and the such, and I have to assume it's so that the character wouldn't look like he's a jack of all trades designing his own bat car, his own bat cycle, his own bat grapling hook, his own bat sonar, his own bat body armor, his own fear gas 'bat' anti-toxin, his own...oh well you get the point. Guess they didn't want the character to look so......far fetched.



...So? You completely missed my point. The fact that he's able to do all of this all night, every night is a little "far fetched" as well, but we're able to go along with it because it's a goddamn superhero movie. Not a biopic.



Yeah that's cool, I'm going to see the movie regardless, and if nothing else the web shooters seperates it from the Raimi films. Maybe Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield might even throw in some spider tracers, and a spider belt spotlight, hell maybe Peter will even design himself a Spider-Mobile......nah that's probably too far fetched.

I'm glad you'll see the movie regardless.

The webshooters amongst a lot of other things are going to set this movie apart from Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wish I could make a What If comic where Parker sells webbing formula to the highest bidder. Oscorp buys it and it ends up being used by a team of supervillains who take over the city.

Parker ashamed he ignored uncle bens advice, hangs himself.

So yeah, organics suck. Mechs for life.

[T-CLIPSE]

...So? You completely missed my point. The fact that he's able to do all of this all night, every night is a little "far fetched" as well, but we're able to go along with it because it's a goddamn superhero movie. Not a biopic.
Oh, you were making a case for supension of disbelief using Batman as an example of a night job while living a day life. Man that's not belief suspension, I work two jobs,, one by day and one overnight 4 to 5 days a week and I still have time to shoot the breeze about webshooters on message boards in between. I don't think it requires to much suspension of disbelief to believe Batman can do two things in a day. And even in the movies they show him sleeping in board meetings and sleeping in late just to show how hard it is on him so we would believe he's doing it with great difficulty.

Which is really all they need to do with these mechanical shooters, if they just simply explain it in a way that shows he either made the shooters with some assistance or the web chemical was created by accident or it was based on some formula that was started by Curt Conners and Peter just simply took it to another level of performance or something to that effect I'll be completely fine with it. But if some 17 year old kid is the sole creator, designer, manufacturer,....then well it's gonna ring a little false for me.

[Troy_Parker]

Oh, you were making a case for supension of disbelief using Batman as an example of a night job while living a day life. Man that's not belief suspension, I work two jobs,, one by day and one overnight 4 to 5 days a week and I still have time to shoot the breeze about webshooters on message boards in between. I don't think it requires to much suspension of disbelief to believe Batman can do two things in a day. And even in the movies they show him sleeping in board meetings and sleeping in late just to show how hard it is on him so we would believe he's doing it with great difficulty.


Lol.

Are you running around on rooftops, fighting petty thugs and major super villains, whilst pretending to be a playboy dick during the day?

Bruce would need a LOT more than just a nap during board meetings.


Which is really all they need to do with these mechanical shooters, if they just simply explain it in a way that shows he either made the shooters with some assistance or the web chemical was created by accident or it was based on some formula that was started by Curt Conners and Peter just simply took it to another level of performance or something to that effect I'll be completely fine with it. But if some 17 year old kid is the sole creator, designer, manufacturer,....then well it's gonna ring a little false for me.

Again. Nobody's had a problem with them in 50 years, so I think you're on your own. But with that being said, I'm pretty sure they're going to go with a formula that his father has made, that he improves somehow, like in the USM comics.

[T-CLIPSE]

Lol.
Are you running around on rooftops, fighting petty thugs and major super villains, whilst pretending to be a playboy dick during the day?
I knew you were going to say something like that, and the answer is no I'm not,.. but I am indeed working day and night.
Bruce would need a LOT more than just a nap during board meetings.
Nope, all he would need is some sleep, regular exercise, some conditioning, proper diet and some mental discipline. There is no "suspension of disbelief" required.
Again. Nobody's had a problem with them in 50 years, so I think you're on your own.
Oops my mistake, I thought we were talking about motion pictures not comic books...my bad.
But with that being said, I'm pretty sure they're going to go with a formula that his father has made, that he improves somehow, like in the USM comics.
Cool, that would be a lot more acceptable and believable than some broke teenage science and engineering whiz kid.

[Troy_Parker]

Edit: Screw it, not worth the infraction.

[TheBat812]

Either way, organic shooters or mechanical ones, make perfect sense. As a kid I always thought Spiderman had organic shooters until I saw the animated tv series. Who cares? We already got films with organic shooters, so might as well go the mechanical route for this one.

[CJ]

Um, if Peter is bitten by a radioactive spider which gives him SUPERPOWERS and turns him into a SUPERHERO, then why is it such a stretch that he could shoot webs out of his wrists? Don't Spiders.. you know, spin webs? Peter can climb walls like a spider, why is it so ridiculous to have him shoot webs like a spider too?

I think you are just being so loyal to the comic, that you are not willing to accept change. Giving Peter organics is completely logical. As I just said, he can climb walls like a spider, has super strength, what's so ridiculous about shooting webs like a spider?

IMO, having to create a device to let him shoot webs is illogical and doesn't make sense, when he has all the other abilities of a spider. It always drove me crazy watching the old cartoon on FOX and seeing him having to re-charge his Web-Shooters. Hello? you're called SPIDER-MAN for a reason! You shouldn't need equipment to shoot webs!

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's just lazy and obvious that he shoots organic webs verses the more inspired and sophisticated concept of using science to engineer a synthetic webbing formula.

Spiders are the chemist and engineers of the animal kingdom. It makes sense that Spider-man would be use chemistry and engineering to create webs because he's a humanistic interpretation of a spider, rather than just a human with spider anatomy. Booooring.

Plus organics are gross. Nobody would actually want giant spider organs inside their body.

[Deathlok]

Maybe he gets the organic ability to produce webbing, but needs the technology (web shooters) to enable him to spin things in different ways. Web lines for swinging, more traditional webs for capturing criminals or catching cars, web balls for shooting at people and so on...

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, a synthetic formula allows spider-man to change his webbing material to fight Electro, Rhino, Mysterio, Sandman, Hydroman etc.

[Troy_Parker]

Um, if Peter is bitten by a radioactive spider which gives him SUPERPOWERS and turns him into a SUPERHERO, then why is it such a stretch that he could shoot webs out of his wrists? Don't Spiders.. you know, spin webs? Peter can climb walls like a spider, why is it so ridiculous to have him shoot webs like a spider too?

I think you are just being so loyal to the comic, that you are not willing to accept change. Giving Peter organics is completely logical. As I just said, he can climb walls like a spider, has super strength, what's so ridiculous about shooting webs like a spider?

You want to talk about "logical"?

If it was "logical", he wouldn't develop spinnerets in his wrists, I'll tell you that...

[Godzilla2014]

You want to talk about "logical"?

If it was "logical", he wouldn't develop spinnerets in his wrists, I'll tell you that...

By your logic, he wouldn't have superhuman strength or speed, either.

[Troy_Parker]

By your logic, he wouldn't have superhuman strength or speed, either.

I was pointing out that him claiming that organics make sense... doesn't really make sense, at all.

I guess it's more of a preference than anything, I ****ing despise organics. When Sam Raimi left that aspect out of the character in his version of Spider-Man, I didn't like it at all. It completely ignored Peter's intellectual side.

[Godzilla2014]

I was pointing out that him claiming that organics make sense... doesn't really make sense, at all.

I guess it's more of a preference than anything, I ****ing despise organics. When Sam Raimi left that aspect out of the character in his version of Spider-Man, I didn't like it at all. It completely ignored Peter's intellectual side.

Biological webshooters DO make sense for the purpose of the story. It's not a big stretch to believe that Peter gained the ability to shoot webs along with his other abilities.

[Troy_Parker]

Biological webshooters DO make sense for the purpose of the story. It's not a big stretch to believe that Peter gained the ability to shoot webs along with his other abilities.

For the purpose of the story, eh, sure.

But still, it seems a little off to me.

Wall crawling and strength being transferred makes sense as it isn't specific to a very certain part of the body.

Spinnerets IN HIS WRISTS, OF ALL PLACES though...

Not to mention it seems a little lazy. "Eh, they were a part of the mutation."

But nvm, you're cool with them, I'm not.

[Ultra Nolanite]

Um, if Peter is bitten by a radioactive spider which gives him SUPERPOWERS and turns him into a SUPERHERO, then why is it such a stretch that he could shoot webs out of his wrists? Don't Spiders.. you know, spin webs? Peter can climb walls like a spider, why is it so ridiculous to have him shoot webs like a spider too?

I think you are just being so loyal to the comic, that you are not willing to accept change. Giving Peter organics is completely logical. As I just said, he can climb walls like a spider, has super strength, what's so ridiculous about shooting webs like a spider?

IMO, having to create a device to let him shoot webs is illogical and doesn't make sense, when he has all the other abilities of a spider. It always drove me crazy watching the old cartoon on FOX and seeing him having to re-charge his Web-Shooters. Hello? you're called SPIDER-MAN for a reason! You shouldn't need equipment to shoot webs!

Spiders don't shoot webs from their eight little wrists. Spiders dont even have wrists. Organic webbing is friggin lazy and kinda kreeps me out. How can you have a social life when you have gross looking holes in your wrists that produce an icky fluid.

When he webbed shut Jamesons mouth in the first movie all I could think of was how gross it is and how sick you must be to spew you bodily fluids onto a guys mouth without his consent for that matter.

Him running out of webbing during a battle is an essential part of the character. Face it guy, organics suck.

[Godzilla2014]

Spiders don't shoot webs from their eight little wrists. Spiders dont even have wrists. Organic webbing is friggin lazy and kinda kreeps me out. How can you have a social life when you have gross looking holes in your wrists that produce an icky fluid.

When he webbed shut Jamesons mouth in the first movie all I could think of was how gross it is and how sick you must be to spew you bodily fluids onto a guys mouth without his consent for that matter.

Him running out of webbing during a battle is an essential part of the character. Face it guy, organics suck.

No, Spider-Man running out of webbing is a plot device, and one whose prominence has declined over the years.

[Troy_Parker]

I've actually never really thought about how gross organic webbing is, lol.

I'm pretty sure I saw a diagram of his wrists (like, a cross-section or something) showing where the glands formed... pretty interesting.

Unless I'm imagining that.

[Troy_Parker]

Although this is cool, this isn't the one I saw before.

http://girlinacape.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/spiderman_02.jpg

[MessiahDecoy123]

gross

plus glands that produce miles of webbing would give your forearms like Popeye.

[Godzilla2014]

gross

plus glands that produce miles of webbing would give your forearms like Popeye.

And gadgets that produced the same amount of webbing would create just as much of a bulge on Spider-Man's wrists underneath his gloves.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think a bulge from something mechanical is less freaky than bulging and swollen forearms that look like Popeye.

[Godzilla2014]

I think a bulge from something mechanical is less freaky than bulging and swollen forearms that look like Popeye.

The guy can lift 10 tons and cling to walls, so he's still "freaky" either way.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The original Spider-man didn't have spider parts.

I don't know anyone who fantasizes about having bug/spider anatomy.

It's a sickening prospect.

[Godzilla2014]

The original Spider-man didn't have spider parts.

I don't know anyone who fantasizes about having bug/spider anatomy.

It's a sickening prospect.

Actually, sometimes, his wall-crawling ability is said to use the same mechanism as that of a real spider (small hairs generating Van der Waals forces), so it's not unheard of.

And regardless of the nature of his webshooters, his anatomy is far away from that of a normal human.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Having spider organs inside your arms and spider hairs on your hands/feet are noticable differences.

Nobody fantasizes about having those abnormalities.

[Godzilla2014]

Having spider organs inside your arms and spider hairs on your hands/feet are noticable differences.

Nobody fantasizes about having those abnormalities.

No, but they might fantasize about the powers they bestow, shooting on webs and crawling on walls.

And I really don't care if people fantasize about having the biology of a superhero.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I bought my son a lunch bag with Spider-man. He folded his arms and said "I hate spider-man".

I told him about Spider-man lifting a bus over his head.

I told him about Spider-man dodging bullets using his super-agility and his "spidey sense".

I told him about how Spider-man used his brains to invent a gadget that shot webs. That he was a really smart superhero who was really funny.

I especially enjoyed telling him about the last part.

BTW - My son loves his lunch bag now. :yay:

[Ultra Nolanite]

No, Spider-Man running out of webbing is a plot device, and one whose prominence has declined over the years.

Yeah well be that as it may. He has webshooters in the comics so I think we should stick to that.

Raimi had no problem using Spidermans insecurity to activate that same plot device in Spiderman 2

Mechanical webshooters give us a nice gadget to gawk at they can be destroyed, get jammed, and used in creative ways that organics can't.

I imagine a scene where the Lizard smashes both of Spidermans webshooters and he has to alter his fighting style, change his battleplan. Or where he uses all his extra webcartridges, tricks lizard into smashing the casing in his blind rage or whatever to glue himself up or something like that, I dunno. Let's see that Parker brain really work it this time.

And what's wrong with a plot device anyway ? He just uses technology and technology can fail. That's like saying a gun is a plot device since it can run out of bullets. According to you in Terminator 2 the shotgun was a plot device because Sarah Conner almost had the T1000 in the liquid steel if she had just one more round. And maybe it was a plot device but did the movie suck because of it ? No. And the T-1000 still ended up in the steel so it didn't even touch the plot. It was just to raise tension. Same could be done here.

Hell everything is a plot device if you look at it that way. His mask, take it off and his identity is revealed dun..dun..DUUNNNNNN.... tune in NEXT WEEK ! Uncle Ben got shot and you have all this anger and power dun..dun..DUUNNNNN.... tune in NEXT WEEK ! Friggin' Wolverine has a metal skeleton and Magneto controls metal ! dun..dun..DUNNNNN, you get the idea. I could do this with the entire Spiderman mythos and probably with every movie ever created, EVER !

I've actually never really thought about how gross organic webbing is, lol.

I'm pretty sure I saw a diagram of his wrists (like, a cross-section or something) showing where the glands formed... pretty interesting.

Unless I'm imagining that.

When he webbed shut Jamesons mouth all i could think of was: "OK Jamesons an A-hole, but he didn't deserve this. It's like spitting in the mans face."

Now, Spiderman has done this in comics and cartoons plenty of times but when it's mechanical you can go: "oh hey, it probably has this industrial-ish flavor to it like plastic or some stuff like that, he can probably even make the webbing taste like bubblegum if he wanted to" but what bodily fluid actually tastes good ? let alone to another person. It's frigging sick man.

I also think organics change his physical appearance too much for my tastes. Go ahead and give him eight eyes while you're at it. But don't put them on his head where spider eyes should be. Put 'em on his butt. I heard there's a vacancy since his web producing glands have moved to his wrists.

The hairy palms I can understand, they're so tiny plus he can retract them. But to get these gross glands wedged in right where all of your other physical stuff should be ? To me that's pushing it.

[Troy_Parker]

When he webbed shut Jamesons mouth all i could think of was: "OK Jamesons an A-hole, but he didn't deserve this. It's like spitting in the mans face."

Now, Spiderman has done this in comics and cartoons plenty of times but when it's mechanical you can go: "oh hey, it probably has this industrial-ish flavor to it like plastic or some stuff like that, he can probably even make the webbing taste like bubblegum if he wanted to" but what bodily fluid actually tastes good ? let alone to another person. It's frigging sick man.

I also think organics change his physical appearance too much for my tastes. Go ahead and give him eight eyes while you're at it. But don't put them on his head where spider eyes should be. Put 'em on his butt. I heard there's a vacancy since his web producing glands have moved to his wrists.

The hairy palms I can understand, they're so tiny plus he can retract them. But to get these gross glands wedged in right where all of your other physical stuff should be ? To me that's pushing it.

Agreed!

Not to mention, in James Cameron's Spider-Man script, Spider-Man wore fake webshooters (he had organic webbing) so people wouldn't think he was a freak, so I'm guessing we're not alone with these thoughts.

[SpideyFan866]

Agreed!

Not to mention, in James Cameron's Spider-Man script, Spider-Man wore fake webshooters (he had organic webbing) so people wouldn't think he was a freak, so I'm guessing we're not alone with these thoughts.

Someone told me that in the new movie, the web shooters will be similar to how it was in the Cameron script, however, rather than the mechanicl web shooters being to keep up appearances, the web shooters (mechanical) help control the flow of the webbing that comes from him organically, thi allowing him to crate web ball and such.

I don't buy this but it could be possible because Peter was pulling a web from his neck in the teaser but I think the Spider who bit him could have left that there.


post 200.

[Troy_Parker]

Nope. He's using cartridges. They're in the game too.

[Anno_Domini]

Organics suck.

A spider biting Peter and giving him strength, speed, agility, spider sense and the ability to cling to walls is one thing as it doesn't really mess with the internal organs of a human being, but organic webbing is an entire problem in itself. That would cause some disturbance in the human body and could cause a number of problems down the line.

It can be logical to say that when the spider bit Peter, it gave Peter those powers, but the mutation could have been cut short to not mutate Peter enough to harness organic webbing and thus fully mutating Peter into an actual man-spider as seen in TAS.

That is an idea the reboot could possess. As seen in the trailer, Peter ripped out a piece of webbing that could possibly mean that the mutation was stopped after Peter knocked off the spider, so instead of what was seen in Raimi's trilogy, Peter instead creates a webbing formula to use while he received the other abilities given to him from the spider.

[Godzilla2014]

Yeah well be that as it may. He has webshooters in the comics so I think we should stick to that.

Raimi had no problem using Spidermans insecurity to activate that same plot device in Spiderman 2

Mechanical webshooters give us a nice gadget to gawk at they can be destroyed, get jammed, and used in creative ways that organics can't.

I imagine a scene where the Lizard smashes both of Spidermans webshooters and he has to alter his fighting style, change his battleplan. Or where he uses all his extra webcartridges, tricks lizard into smashing the casing in his blind rage or whatever to glue himself up or something like that, I dunno. Let's see that Parker brain really work it this time.

And what's wrong with a plot device anyway ? He just uses technology and technology can fail. That's like saying a gun is a plot device since it can run out of bullets. According to you in Terminator 2 the shotgun was a plot device because Sarah Conner almost had the T1000 in the liquid steel if she had just one more round. And maybe it was a plot device but did the movie suck because of it ? No. And the T-1000 still ended up in the steel so it didn't even touch the plot. It was just to raise tension. Same could be done here.

Hell everything is a plot device if you look at it that way. His mask, take it off and his identity is revealed dun..dun..DUUNNNNNN.... tune in NEXT WEEK ! Uncle Ben got shot and you have all this anger and power dun..dun..DUUNNNNN.... tune in NEXT WEEK ! Friggin' Wolverine has a metal skeleton and Magneto controls metal ! dun..dun..DUNNNNN, you get the idea. I could do this with the entire Spiderman mythos and probably with every movie ever created, EVER !



When he webbed shut Jamesons mouth all i could think of was: "OK Jamesons an A-hole, but he didn't deserve this. It's like spitting in the mans face."

Now, Spiderman has done this in comics and cartoons plenty of times but when it's mechanical you can go: "oh hey, it probably has this industrial-ish flavor to it like plastic or some stuff like that, he can probably even make the webbing taste like bubblegum if he wanted to" but what bodily fluid actually tastes good ? let alone to another person. It's frigging sick man.

I also think organics change his physical appearance too much for my tastes. Go ahead and give him eight eyes while you're at it. But don't put them on his head where spider eyes should be. Put 'em on his butt. I heard there's a vacancy since his web producing glands have moved to his wrists.

The hairy palms I can understand, they're so tiny plus he can retract them. But to get these gross glands wedged in right where all of your other physical stuff should be ? To me that's pushing it.

So in other words, mechanical webshooters can be disabled in ways that biological webshooters can't.

Organics suck.

A spider biting Peter and giving him strength, speed, agility, spider sense and the ability to cling to walls is one thing as it doesn't really mess with the internal organs of a human being, but organic webbing is an entire problem in itself. That would cause some disturbance in the human body and could cause a number of problems down the line.

It can be logical to say that when the spider bit Peter, it gave Peter those powers, but the mutation could have been cut short to not mutate Peter enough to harness organic webbing and thus fully mutating Peter into an actual man-spider as seen in TAS.

That is an idea the reboot could possess. As seen in the trailer, Peter ripped out a piece of webbing that could possibly mean that the mutation was stopped after Peter knocked off the spider, so instead of what was seen in Raimi's trilogy, Peter instead creates a webbing formula to use while he received the other abilities given to him from the spider.

Actually, all of that would radically change Peter Parker's physiology. How else would his bones and muscles become stronger and his reflexes faster?

[Anno_Domini]

Actually, all of that would radically change Peter Parker's physiology. How else would his bones and muscles become stronger and his reflexes faster?

That wouldn't radically alter Peter's insides as glands to create the webbing. There is a different between altering bones and muscles and creating entire glands that works like a spider's.

[Troy_Parker]

That wouldn't radically alter Peter's insides as glands to create the webbing. There is a different between altering bones and muscles and creating entire glands that works like a spider's.

Not to mention the fact that they're relocated to an entirely different part of his body...

[Godzilla2014]

That wouldn't radically alter Peter's insides as glands to create the webbing. There is a different between altering bones and muscles and creating entire glands that works like a spider's.

Yes, it would. The composition of Peter's entire musculoskeletal system would be radically altered to give him superhuman strength and speed, and that's just the tip of the iceberg of the alterations to his physiology. Your argument is pure sophistry.

[Anno_Domini]

Not to mention the fact that they're relocated to an entirely different part of his body...

It would make more sense if he gained spinnerets where he was bitten; it's just fantasy that he magically was given those spinnerets in his wrist.

Yes, it would. The composition of Peter's entire musculoskeletal system would be radically altered to give him superhuman strength and speed, and that's just the tip of the iceberg of the alterations to his physiology. Your argument is pure sophistry.

Of all his powers, Peter having these spinnerets in his wrists and able to create webbing is far more of a mutation than strength, speed, agility, spider-sense, and it is in that logic that shows that it's not even physically possible for his body to create webbing. A spider may have bitten him but even with little spider DNA, it shouldn't be able to radically change Peter to the point of being able to create webbing. If that's possible, then the chances of Peter fully mutating into a full-grown ass spider is 90%. Have strength, speed, agility and spider-sense doesn't prove to be a requisite into becoming a man spider as it's not a full spider mutation; not even close to being one.

[Godzilla2014]

It would make more sense if he gained spinnerets where he was bitten; it's just fantasy that he magically was given those spinnerets in his wrist.



Of all his powers, Peter having these spinnerets in his wrists and able to create webbing is far more of a mutation than strength, speed, agility, spider-sense, and it is in that logic that shows that it's not even physically possible for his body to create webbing. A spider may have bitten him but even with little spider DNA, it shouldn't be able to radically change Peter to the point of being able to create webbing. If that's possible, then the chances of Peter fully mutating into a full-grown ass spider is 90%. Have strength, speed, agility and spider-sense doesn't prove to be a requisite into becoming a man spider as it's not a full spider mutation; not even close to being one.

Yes it would be. Spider DNA wouldn't give him superhuman strength, or a spider-sense. Your argument makes no sense.

[Anno_Domini]

Yes it would be. Spider DNA wouldn't give him superhuman strength, or a spider-sense. Your argument makes no sense.

Spider DNA wouldn't give him anything, but strength and spider sense makes more sense as it always did than organic webbing, which is pure nonsense.

[Godzilla2014]

Spider DNA wouldn't give him anything, but strength and spider sense makes more sense as it always did than organic webbing, which is pure nonsense.

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

[Anno_Domini]

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

I'm sorry science man :o

[UltimateWebhead]

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

Yes, but what about Chemistry or Pathology or Bio-engineering? :woot:

[Ultra Nolanite]

So in other words, mechanical webshooters can be disabled in ways that biological webshooters can't.

Well, yeah I guess. And this can be used as a plot device but it doesn't necessarily have to be.

And not only can they be disabled in ways the biological webshooters can't but they can also be utilized in ways biological webshooters can't.

All that's required is a bit of creativity.

[Godzilla2014]

Yes, but what about Chemistry or Pathology or Bio-engineering? :woot:

Those too.

Well, yeah I guess. And this can be used as a plot device but it doesn't necessarily have to be.

And not only can they be disabled in ways the biological webshooters can't but they can also be utilized in ways biological webshooters can't.

All that's required is a bit of creativity.

And the instances of such are rare, the exception, not the rule.

[UltimateWebhead]

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

Actually it would be possible for someone to have super strength. If you have an accelerated amount of actin/myosin coupled with some DNA enhancements and an increased production of endorphins along with adrenaline...yes, it is possible to achieve super strength. There are many stories of people gaining a heightened source of strength when faced with life or death instances. For example I was watching a documentary in which a man was pinned beneath an extremely heavy rock and was sliding down the face of a mountain about to fall to his death. He was able to lift the heavy rock and heave it over his head and stop the imminent fall. Another example involves my Dad. He is a mechanic and was working on a car that was up on a lift. The lift began to fail and my Dad held the rear of the car up...it was either hold it or be squashed.

If you talk to an entomologist, they will tell you that 'spider sense' is about the spider's ability to sense changes in the environment and give it what would appear to be a quicker response to impending danger. This is mostly a DNA genome code that with enough resources, money, and time could potentially be inserted into a human. Most of this is theory and hasn't actually been done but who's to say it couldn't be done.

But really what we're talking about is a human bit by a spider and gains powers. It's very fictional but like someone smart once said, "never say never."

[Godzilla2014]

Actually it would be possible for someone to have super strength. If you have an accelerated amount of actin/myosin coupled with some DNA enhancements and an increased production of endorphins along with adrenaline...yes, it is possible to achieve super strength. There are many stories of people gaining a heightened source of strength when faced with life or death instances. For example I was watching a documentary in which a man was pinned beneath an extremely heavy rock and was sliding down the face of a mountain about to fall to his death. He was able to lift the heavy rock and heave it over his head and stop the imminent fall. Another example involves my Dad. He is a mechanic and was working on a car that was up on a lift. The lift began to fail and my Dad held the rear of the car up...it was either hold it or be squashed.

If you talk to an entomologist, they will tell you that 'spider sense' is about the spider's ability to sense changes in the environment and give it what would appear to be a quicker response to impending danger. This is mostly a DNA genome code that with enough resources, money, and time could potentially be inserted into a human. Most of this is theory and hasn't actually been done but who's to say it couldn't be done.

But really what we're talking about is a human bit by a spider and gains powers. It's very fictional but like someone smart once said, "never say never."

But gaining superhuman strength from spider DNA doesn't make any sense.

[UltimateWebhead]

But gaining superhuman strength from spider DNA doesn't make any sense.

Most certainly not from a spider bite...it is too small to create that kind of a change. If the spider somehow injected a retrovirus into your system in a large quantity there is a definite possibilty for changes to occur.

[Godzilla2014]

Most certainly not from a spider bite...it is too small to create that kind of a change. If the spider somehow injected a retrovirus into your system in a large quantity there is a definite possibilty for changes to occur.

But you still wouldn't get superhuman strength like Spider-Man's from that.

[Anno_Domini]

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

I had just watched Spider-Man Tech on YouTube that was on the History Channel years ago and I mentioned that in the spoilers thread, but...this post is now laughable since the show was all about how those powers could work in a biological and physics level, of which the most "out there" power would actually be organic webbing.

[UltimateWebhead]

I had just watched Spider-Man Tech on YouTube that was on the History Channel years ago and I mentioned that in the spoilers thread, but...this post is now laughable since the show was all about how those powers could work in a biological and physics level, of which the most "out there" power would actually be organic webbing.

I saw that show too. Good stuff. Have you seen the one about Batman? It was pretty cool.

[Anno_Domini]

As soon as I got done with Spider-Man Tech, I watched the Batman special as well...love that Nolan actually put some thought into those that already have some realistic ground to them, and even the memory cloth is being worked on.

Plus...how they mentioned that the Tumbler was such an intelligent vehicle, it added even more awesomeness to Nolan's trilogy.

[Daisy]

Oy... what havoc I have wreaked! :wow:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Oy... what havoc I have wreaked! :wow:
Don't play innocent, you knew what these threads always turn into. :oldrazz:

[Mr. X]

I get that it's part of the spider mytho and it shows Parker's intelligence to make the web shooters....I dunno I just like organic web idea cause he's getting all these abilities of a spider and not the main one? Just never made that much sense to me and when organic webs came into picture, it was easy for me to except.

Yea yea then. Why doesn't the webbing come out from his rear side if he's gonna be a true spider.....my answer to that is that this story of spiderman......IS MAKE BELIEVE! =^p

[TheSlag]

Oy... what havoc I have wreaked! :wow:

"But it's such a fine Lovely havoc" :cwink:

[dan1]

I get that it's part of the spider mytho and it shows Parker's intelligence to make the web shooters....I dunno I just like organic web idea cause he's getting all these abilities of a spider and not the main one? Just never made that much sense to me and when organic webs came into picture, it was easy for me to except.

Yea yea then. Why doesn't the webbing come out from his rear side if he's gonna be a true spider.....my answer to that is that this story of spiderman......IS MAKE BELIEVE! =^p

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

[Troy_Parker]

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

This whole post, I agree with. :up:

[SpideyFan866]

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

You are correct sir. 5 POINTS AWARDED! http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[OrbWeaver]

Stan Lee thought that Peter Parker developing spinnerets was too far-fetched, Raimi felt the same way about a teenager designing webshooters.

Those of us who grew up reading the comics and watching cartoons for the 40 years prior to Raimi's version will always have a tough time buying into the organics because, to us, Spidey's webshooters are an integral part of who he is.

[Troy_Parker]

If I was on the fence about organics, I'd go against them. I believe that a gadget developed by a smart teen is more believable than a mutation which causes glands to develop in completely different areas compared to where they were originally in the spider.

Besides, organics are gross. Ew. xD

[Web face]

I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.

[Troy_Parker]

^That's a very valid point, actually.

[UltimateWebhead]

I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.

Ok, so they get a strand of his webbing and extract from it Peter's DNA. There are 11 million people living, working and traveling in NYC. How the hell are they gonna find him? He doesn't have a criminal record, so they won't have it on file.

[Dr Tactics]

Ok, so they get a strand of his webbing and extract from it Peter's DNA. There are 11 million people living, working and traveling in NYC. How the hell are they gonna find him? He doesn't have a criminal record, so they won't have it on file.

But DNA narrows their search so if they, The Police or FBI even suspect that Peter could be Spiderman it makes it much easier to nail him. But in the end all our opinions on believability are moot. Raimi did what he wanted to do and Webb is doing what he wants to do. Doesn't really matter what we think in the end about Organic or Mechanical...

[FlareKnight]

Stan Lee thought that Peter Parker developing spinnerets was too far-fetched, Raimi felt the same way about a teenager designing webshooters.

Those of us who grew up reading the comics and watching cartoons for the 40 years prior to Raimi's version will always have a tough time buying into the organics because, to us, Spidey's webshooters are an integral part of who he is.
In the end I agree that what you saw first will really make a difference in which side of this argument you fall under. Just had this debate with my brother the other day. He only really got into Spider-Man with these movies, while I'd watched the cartoons.

I could hardly believe that he was bothered by going to webshooters. Comparatively I was a bit creeped out when that first movie came out and I saw those organic shooters in action. Got used to it as the movies went along, but can also say I was incredibly relieved to hear that they were going back to webshooters.

We can dance around logical issues behind both, but in the end it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I like the idea of Spidey coming up with those shooters to help him and the flexibility of those shooters. Could be fun to see him changing up the webbing for the different villains he'll face in future films. Just liked him using his head to become more effective as Spider-Man.

While I can accept that there are other views the fact remains that to me, organics suck!

[OrbWeaver]

While I can accept that there are other views the fact remains that to me, organics suck!
Hear! Hear!

[Steve Sanders]

Hear! Hear!

I also give a thumbs up to that post of his.cheers.

[Steve Sanders]

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.

They dont work in the movie world? oh really????? You might give Mark Webb a call then right now then because apparently he is unaware of that.someone forgot to tell him that.Since you're the expert obviously,better call him now and tell him that.:woot::woot::whatever: anymore insane ramblings?


btw,where do you shop at for your grocerys? I ask because I would like to pick up some crow for you to eat now.I hope you enjoy it because you will be eating a lot of it for many years to come in the future.:woot:


All you people crying over, why he doesn't use the webbing to make money. Ask yourself. Why doesn't he use his superstrength, agility, spidersense and wallcrawling ability to make money ? Hey could just as easily.

he has webshooters in the comics, he should have them in the movies, end of discussion.

Amen to that brother.Gives standing ovation.


It's just lazy and obvious that he shoots organic webs verses the more inspired and sophisticated concept of using science to engineer a synthetic webbing formula.

Spiders are the chemist and engineers of the animal kingdom. It makes sense that Spider-man would be use chemistry and engineering to create webs because he's a humanistic interpretation of a spider, rather than just a human with spider anatomy. Booooring.

Plus organics are gross. Nobody would actually want giant spider organs inside their body.


You nailed it.could not have said it better myself.Yep like he said,its just being lazy and organics are gross.

[Octavias]

OMGosh.... you know a long time ago in a Hype far far away I sided with Mr Parker against organics in that epic (fail) of a thread.. Safe to say it didnt ruin the film as we thought. IMO it still took away a little from the character, but not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things... Glad to see this incarnation has em back....

[The Slang]

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

Says who? I think you -much like a spider's web- pulled that right out of your ass.
Biologists have already incorporated the Spider's silk producing gene into a goat. The result is silk being secreted (not shot) from the udders. Why would the organic spinnerets behave like cannons rather than spinnerets? Why would he gain two sets of them? Why would they appear on his wrists? Why would he be able to control the shape and the distance of the web?
As someone already mentioned, increased strength could be achieved simply by adjusting the adrenaline and myosin levels.
Spider-sense could be explained as a heightened sensitivity to vibration.
Organic webshooters are so unlike anything in a spiders body, and so efficient in their function that they appear to the product of intelligent design, so why not just make them designed?
One day we may invent a device similar to the webshooter, but no creature will ever possess a natural organ that functions like the organics. Guns don't evolve. Therefor mechanical is more believable, less lazy, and to me much more interesting.

IMO, having to create a device to let him shoot webs is illogical and doesn't make sense, when he has all the other abilities of a spider

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

I dunno I just like organic web idea cause he's getting all these abilities of a spider and not the main one?

In that case why doesn't he have venom glands in his mouth? Why can't he shed his hair to irritate predators? He's never had ALL the abilities of a spider, so you can't say that it's wrong he wouldn't gain this ability and not others.

[BrollySupersj]

Not all spiders shed their hair as a defense aginst predators. IIRC, only the larger tarantula type spiders do that. Not the small ones (which is what Peter was bitten by). But you make a point about venom. Anyway, how where the mechanical webshooters in the movie? I haven't seen it yet, probably won't till Saturday. Did Peter ever run out and reload?

[roach]

the funny thing is organic webbing was in the new movie. The bred spiders produced the webbing that Oscorp was selling that Peter used in his web shooters. Technically they are organic webbing

[ChildfreeAggie]

The ASM didn't get the webbing right at all in the movie; in this film Peter neither engineered or created the webbing (Oscorp. had already done that) and the web shooters were already partially constructed, he merely finished them.

[Eddie Brock]

The ASM didn't get the webbing right at all in the movie; in this film Peter neither engineered or created the webbing (Oscorp. had already done that) and the web shooters were already partially constructed, he merely finished them.
The webshooters weren't "partially constructed." The web canisters were of OsCorp design, but the entire shooter apparatus was created by Peter.

[melvintwj]

I prefer webshooters to organic ones, but organic sometimes makes more sense to me.

Since they are organic, it's kinda more... Biological. Hence, Pete could probably control the type of web they he spins e.g a strand for web swinging, a net for catching people etc.

I can never figure out how is that possible for webshooters, how to control the type of web that's spun.

On the other hand, spinnerets on the wrists are weird.

[pr0xyt0xin]

I hate organics too. I also hate tiny hairs on Peter Parkers finger tips. -_-

[Quasar]

We used to argue this stuff till we were all blue in the face back at NoOrganicWebshooters.com, a site created to put together a petition to send to Sony to get the Organic Webshooters out of the movie. Both sides were constantly shooting holes in the other side's logic, because neither side really had logic on their side. It really just boiled down to pro-mechs saying "they were in the comics, they should be in the movie," and pro-organics saying "organics are in the movie, so deal with it!" Now they're in the comics AND the movie, so the pro-mechs win!

[OrgasmicPotatoe]

Personally, I loved the organic web. I never read Spider-Man's comics, except 1 comic my dad brought me back from work when I was a kid, The Assassin Nation Plot. But it was an English copy and I am a French Canadian. So I read it without understanding any of it. So my real education about Spider-Man came from the 90's animated series, in wich he has the web shooters.

But when I first watched Raimi's Spiderman, I never thought about the sudden change from mechanic web shooters to organic web. It simply fit so well, in my mind, I never noiced it. Until years later, and when I realized it, it didn't bother me that much. I always thought to myself "hell, if he's supposed to develop spider-like abilities, it's only logical he should make his own web, just like a spider."

Plus, you either have a school boy bitten by a radioactive spider, wich gives him spider-like powers like wall-crawling, enhanced agility and strenght, and, well, producing web. Or you have a school boy bitten by a radioactive spider, wich gives him wall-crawling and enhanced agility and strenght, but that school boy can't even afford a bottle of milk in a corner store, but somehow gets the equipment needed to build a completely unique and incredibly small machine that allows him to shoot a stuff he also created himself, and that is as durable as Spider-Man's webs are (oh and don't forget, he'll have to build new ones, or maybe repair the ones he had in the movie). The first story makes much more sense to me, but original story is original story, and Spider-Man mytho is Spider-Man mytho, so I was still happy to see the web-shooters in TAMS. It even helped audiences to distinct further this series from Raimi's.*

But now, I read this
I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.
Yeah, I have to give the pro-web shooters camp that point.

Although, in TASM, Peter's secret identity doesn't seem like much of an issue, given how much time he spends without his mask on. :cwink:

Next time though, if they're going to keep the web-shooters (and they are), i'd like to see the "web-ammos" (couldn't find a better name, those little caps he put in his shooters to shoot the web). I know you can see him pushing a button that activates some sort of loading at one point in the film, but, is that it ?

*EDIT : Well, seems like I was kind of proven wrong in a previous comment in here (sorry I didn't read the whole thread BEFORE posting). It seems like, in TASM, Peter got the basic web-shooter desing and finished it, and the recipe for the substance from Oscorp. I didn't get that in my first watch (that's why I love watching movies again and again !) My bad !

[Rogue Kira]

The web-shooters are important part peter parker's character and show's us how much of a genius he is.

[Dragon]

I can never figure out how is that possible for webshooters, how to control the type of web that's spun.


They explained that early on back in the 60's. The webshooter has an adjustable nozzle that controls how the webbing flows.

[Web face]

Hey guys, I just checked up on this thread because I was bored, and realized that a lot of you replied to a post I posted. Since I am an idiot, I didn't come back to this thread to reply to you guys, so I'll just do it now.
@UltimateWebHead- good point, Dr Tactics pretty much addressed it for me, saying that it would narrow down the search for Spider-Man, and even though it would probably happen in real life, I don't think it would be realistic in a movie universe just because it is a movie and you would just have to suspend your disbelief.
@OrgasmicPotatoe- Yeah, in the school fight I think they should have made it so that there was a power outage caused by the Lizard or something so then maybe people might buy that there weren't any working cameras in the school, even though the cameras might have run on battery. Other times he took off the mask I was ok with, like when he was trying to save the kid in the car.

[melvintwj]

They explained that early on back in the 60's. The webshooter has an adjustable nozzle that controls how the webbing flows.

Yeah but.. One moment he's shooting strands to swing from and suddenly le wild net webbing appears. :huh:

[Web face]

Yeah but.. One moment he's shooting strands to swing from and suddenly le wild net webbing appears. :huh:
His fingers have the proportionate strength and agility of a spider lol.

[Brackets002]

My rant on why I loathe organics:
The spider's spinneret is an external organ that is connected to glands that, when necessary, CAN and WILL produce silk that contains a spider's reproductive cells. I don't think I have to tell you what it's most functionally similar to on a human male's body.
Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that for some reason, spinnerets developed in your wrists. Spiders rarely if ever fire silk at high speeds. They trail it behind them.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that spinnerets developed in your wrists, and for some reason, the shot silk 300+ feet. Why in the name of God would they be activated by the ASL love sign? Really now.
Oh, and organic weblines? That's almost pure protein. There's a reason spiders eat their webs after a day or so. And seeing as how Ramiverse Parker didn't go back to devour the webbing he had been swinging on earlier, he must be eating UNBELIEVABLE amounts of protein off-screen. I mean, either that or he'd be severely malnourished. I want his recipe for protein shakes.
Sorry if these points have already been made. I was too lazy to go and check if somebody already said this, and just wanted to put in my two cents.

[pr0xyt0xin]

My rant on why I loathe organics:
The spider's spinneret is an external organ that is connected to glands that, when necessary, CAN and WILL produce silk that contains a spider's reproductive cells. I don't think I have to tell you what it's most functionally similar to on a human male's body.
Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that for some reason, spinnerets developed in your wrists. Spiders rarely if ever fire silk at high speeds. They trail it behind them.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that spinnerets developed in your wrists, and for some reason, the shot silk 300+ feet. Why in the name of God would they be activated by the ASL love sign? Really now.
Oh, and organic weblines? That's almost pure protein. There's a reason spiders eat their webs after a day or so. And seeing as how Ramiverse Parker didn't go back to devour the webbing he had been swinging on earlier, he must be eating UNBELIEVABLE amounts of protein off-screen. I mean, either that or he'd be severely malnourished. I want his recipe for protein shakes.
Sorry if these points have already been made. I was too lazy to go and check if somebody already said this, and just wanted to put in my two cents.

amen

[roach]

Actually the Spitting Spider shoots webs from its fangs

[pr0xyt0xin]

Actually the Spitting Spider shoots webs from its fangs

Actually are the fangs on its wrists?

[roach]

well its not its 'butt' which everyone mentions....spiders dont have fingers either so how does spider-man stick to walls???

Its called suspension of belief

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Brackets point was that the spinneret acts more like a penis than a butt.

Spider-Man's entire body can cling to walls. Not just his hands and feet, let alone his fingers. Now, I'm not sure about the science, but I've seen spiders cling to walls, even windows with their hands/feet/legs whatever you want to call them.

The point about the location on a spider's body was Brackets smallest one. Can you refute the rest?

[Brackets002]

I was actually talking about how it functions. It seems to me that the human body would probably adapt an existing organ than create entirely new ones.

[Brackets002]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Like you said, that was my smallest point.

[The Slang]

No need to speculate, we've already put a spider's silk producing gene into goats. It comes out the nipples.

Thing is, spiders don't have webshooters. They have spinnerets. Webshooters mold fluid into complicated strands, nets and projectiles that are fired long distance, unlike anything on a spiders body. Producing silk is one thing, but wrist bound webshooters are just too convenient and effective to not be the product of design.

It'd be like getting DNA from a fly and then growing a propeller.

[Fox]

My rant on why I loathe organics:
The spider's spinneret is an external organ that is connected to glands that, when necessary, CAN and WILL produce silk that contains a spider's reproductive cells. I don't think I have to tell you what it's most functionally similar to on a human male's body.
Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that for some reason, spinnerets developed in your wrists. Spiders rarely if ever fire silk at high speeds. They trail it behind them.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that spinnerets developed in your wrists, and for some reason, the shot silk 300+ feet. Why in the name of God would they be activated by the ASL love sign? Really now.
Oh, and organic weblines? That's almost pure protein. There's a reason spiders eat their webs after a day or so. And seeing as how Ramiverse Parker didn't go back to devour the webbing he had been swinging on earlier, he must be eating UNBELIEVABLE amounts of protein off-screen. I mean, either that or he'd be severely malnourished. I want his recipe for protein shakes.
Sorry if these points have already been made. I was too lazy to go and check if somebody already said this, and just wanted to put in my two cents.

Disclaimer: I prefer mechanics to organics, BUT that doesn't mean I hate the organics.

That being said, you are right inasmuch that It's incredibly unrealistic that a human body (super powered or otherwise) could produce that much webbing without Peter consuming an outrageous amount of food. However it is equally unrealistic that a compact wrist-web shooter would be able to hold even a couple web lines in one of those little capsules, never mind enough for him to swing across the city and then do battle with.

I'm not going to say "It's a movie about a guy who WALKS ON WALLS, what did you expect?" because I hate that argument, but no matter how you look at it, the web shooters will always be nothing less than completely unrealistic. Either way, organics or mechanics, you have just suspend your disbelief and focus on the story and characters; the things that actually matter.

[MarvelKnight]

I dislike the organics because, They're organic. Web-shooters show off peter's intelligence (even though I hated that they made him a skateboarding punk-rocker who happens to be smart in TASM). plus they look cool. That. Is why I hate organics :)

[Chris Wallace]

Isn't the webbing organic in Amazing? If he based it off an Oscorp design that used real spider silk-and we never once saw a cartridge, or even a trigger for that matter. And he never ran out. Not to mention the fact that he didn't even invent them; Oscorp did.

[Web face]

I think we did see the cartridge when he was building the web shooters in his basement, in the same scene when the webbing blew up in his face. Also, we get glimpses at the shooter itself like when he does a hand stand on the building. I think there is enough information for us to assume that there are triggers on the web shooters. Although Peter didn't invent the formula for the webbing, he still created the web shooter from watches, which still shows that Peter is a very intelligent kid.

[Chris Wallace]

There's no triggers. He never takes the webshooters off at any point (proven several times) so I think we'd notice a trigger. And a cartridge would run out at some point, which also never happened. I also find it weird that Oscorp is perfectly willing to sell the components of its unique design, which can be easily purchased by an unemployed teenager who two weesk ago couldn't buy a quart of milk. And wasn't the whole point of using mechs to see the web fluid Peter invented?

[Illustrious Var]

Triggers.
http://media.digititles.com/title-graphic-art/d3300ecbcd0d7c9598b33751a48193a8/medium/the-amazing-spider-man-web-shooter-3d-concept.jpg
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa374/Matthew_Quigley/AmazingSpider-ManWebShooters.jpg
http://jessekavadlo.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/the-amazing-spider-man-movie-image-close-up-600x283.jpg

And yes, you're right, his cartridges probably would have run out at some point. With that said I'm sure he also had to use the bathroom at some point too and we never saw that either did we? Also his webshooters were destroyed twice, meaning he had to take them off to make repairs.

Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it never happened.

Also I was under the impression they created the biocables solely for the purpose of selling them. Is this not a multi-million dollar business? They need to make a profit on something don't they?

[Web face]

Illustrious Var pretty much covered it, but I just want to say again that we did see cartridges when he was first making the web shooters. Also, the web fluid isnt the entire point of him having web shooters. I mean sure, I'm still a little disappointed that he didn't invent them, but he still invented the shooters themselves, which was probably no easy task.

[Fox]

Illustrious Var pretty much covered it, but I just want to say again that we did see cartridges when he was first making the web shooters. Also, the web fluid isnt the entire point of him having web shooters. I mean sure, I'm still a little disappointed that he didn't invent them, but he still invented the shooters themselves, which was probably no easy task.

That's the thing right there. I know lots of brainy type people but none of them could whip up so much as the web shooters on their own. As for the webbing in TASM, it's not like he COMPLETELY stole it. He piggy backed on someone else's work and developed his own web. That still takes a highly intelligent mind to pull off. Never mind that mind belongs to a teenager with the resources of his basement science kit.

[Rise_-]

There's no triggers. He never takes the webshooters off at any point (proven several times) so I think we'd notice a trigger. And a cartridge would run out at some point, which also never happened.

Considering you seem to hate this take on the character, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at your complaints and the things you've missed.

He wore fingerless gloves and often had his sleeves pulled past his wrists... which was to hide the... you guessed it, webshooters.

A piece of expository dialogue that you seem to have missed is that it's also stated that a "single pellet can store several hundred feet" of webbing... and there's not just one pellet rolling around in those cartridges (which have been aptly referred to as pellet chambers in the viral stuff). So if there's about 100-200 pellets in a cartridge and a single pellet can store around 300 feet of webbing... you do the math.

Peter could have only reloaded once in the entire movie and from what Oscorp states the Biocable cartridge can store, he would have been just fine.

[Rise_-]

we never once saw a cartridge

I get that you don't like this movie, nor will you ever... but please tell me you really haven't missed these things. :|

[CEREBRAL....]

*liked organic*

and if it didn't take away from the movie (which it didn't) then i see 80 percent of this thread is just to be picky.....

[Rise_-]

You think we're being picky because we prefer them, I think it's silly that anybody can prefer organics over mechanicals.

[BrollySupersj]

You think we're being picky because we prefer them, I think it's silly that anybody can prefer organics over mechanicals.

Then I'm proud to be "silly". ;)

[Rise_-]

Lol

Why do you prefer them over mechanicals?

Is it just because you think it's unnecessary to have Peter make something which gives him the ability to shoot web, when he could simply be given that ability as a part of his "change"?

[Doctor Evo]

Quick note for the people claiming that Spider-Man would shoot silk from his ass:

Spiders go through a process known as protostome development. Humans go through something called deuterostome development (spiders are protostomes, humans are deuterostomes, and these constitute the two major developmental pathways in animals).

The opening that becomes a protostome's mouth becomes a deuterostome's anus, and the opening that becomes a deuterostome's mouth becomes a protostome's anus.

Think about that for a little bit.

[BrollySupersj]

Lol

Why do you prefer them over mechanicals?

Is it just because you think it's unnecessary to have Peter make something which gives him the ability to shoot web, when he could simply be given that ability as a part of his "change"?

Pretty much. I just prefer them as powers, rather than a device/gadget.

[CEREBRAL....]

Then I'm proud to be "silly". ;)

Cosign!

[CEREBRAL....]

Pretty much. I just prefer them as powers, rather than a device/gadget.

And this as well!

[Brackets002]

So, what organic-liking people are saying is that, even though humans can't grow new organs, and spiders can't grow new organs, a human would, in theory, grow new organs when mutating into a human-spider hybrid. Is that what your'e getting at? Just clearing it up for myself.

[DJ Kornphlake]

As long as webbing is shooting out from his wrists, I don't really care if it's mechanical or organic.

[Godzilla2000]

This thread just isn't the same without Bakerboy or Mr. Parker adding their two cents. :(

[Spider-Aziz]

I like the organics, but honestly they should stay exclusive for the Raimi films, don't want to see them made again outside Raimi's realm
The spider bite gave Peter superhuman abilities, and that's about it, no change in muscle mass or structure, not building new glands in the man's body

[Mr. X]

In that case why doesn't he have venom glands in his mouth? Why can't he shed his hair to irritate predators? He's never had ALL the abilities of a spider, so you can't say that it's wrong he wouldn't gain this ability and not others.

Touché good sir....touché

[Doctor Evo]

I like the organics, but honestly they should stay exclusive for the Raimi films, don't want to see them made again outside Raimi's realm
The spider bite gave Peter superhuman abilities, and that's about it, no change in muscle mass or structure, not building new glands in the man's bodyThat would be impossible. Some structure would absolutely need to be altered to facilitate his abilities.

[Picard Sisko]

I like the organics, but honestly they should stay exclusive for the Raimi films, don't want to see them made again outside Raimi's realm
The spider bite gave Peter superhuman abilities, and that's about it, no change in muscle mass or structure, not building new glands in the man's body

I think they work very well in the Raimi films. And I agree, they shouldn't be used in anything outside Raimi's realm.