Avengers Score : Singular, Or Multiple Composer?

[VenomVsSpidey]

Okay, so marvel has gone out saying they want the musical scores and themes to be tied in-continuity within each other. Good Idea, right? Well, how about the fact that each marvel film / hero would have a different theme? (Iron Man - Debney, Thor - Doyle, Hulk - Armstrong, etc.) So, how could all these themes be carried into the avengers? Will a single composer decide to use all of these character themes, or will multiple composers score the flick? (ala kick-ass)

[JP]

I thought it worked for Kick-Ass, bit I'm not too keen on the idea in general.

[jmc]

The more hands with the score the better, so far the scores in the films to date have been totally forgettable.

[Majik1387]

Multiple but there needs to be a lead/deciding composer.

[R_Hythlodeus]

get Danny Elfman
*duck*

[JP]

You better duck.

[Majik1387]

Christophe Beck and/or John Powell maybe?

[obin_gam]

The more hands with the score the better, so far the scores in the films to date have been totally forgettable.
save for Ramin Djawadis score for Iron Man 1. You cannot argue that Drivng with the top down is NOT awesome!

[chiefchirpa]

Singular. Different themes for different characters.

[ddddeeee]

save for Ramin Djawadis score for Iron Man 1. You cannot argue that Drivng with the top down is NOT awesome!

I could.

Debney's Iron Man theme found in Mayhem In Monaco and I Am Iron Man is way better and I'm sure will be used as his theme from now on.

I did think Craig Armstrong did a great job on TIH too though.

[Dark Raven]

I could.

Debney's Iron Man theme found in Mayhem In Monaco and I Am Iron Man is way better and I'm sure will be used as his theme from now on.

I did think Craig Armstrong did a great job on TIH too though.

I found Ramin Djawadi's score to be the more memorable of the two. It underscored and anticiapted the whole build up to him suiting up in armor each time or building each new suit of armor. Driving with the top down was also awesome.

[dcHulk]

The more hands with the score the better, so far the scores in the films to date have been totally forgettable.

To each their own, but I thought Armstrong's TIH score was awesome. I listen to it all the time.

In regards to the thread, I would favor a single composer for the same reason as having a single director. Too many may lead to a total mess. However, I would like to hear the distinct themes for each character woven together in seamless transitions. But an overall "Avengers" theme needs to be created.

[ArtTeacher]

I think they should get all of the composers to return to collaborate on the Avengers score...and then at the last minute, Kevin Feige should release a scathing press release about how bad Craig Armstrong's Hulk score was and then have Mark Ruffalo choose some random guy to join the Avengers musical team.

[ross2287]

Have a main Avengers Theme that integrates motifs of each characters' individual themes.

:up:

[mclay18]

So, how could all these themes be carried into the avengers? Will a single composer decide to use all of these character themes, or will multiple composers score the flick? (ala kick-ass)

Considering Whedon, it'll most definitely be a single composer. And since Marvel Studios owns the rights to the music, they can have the composer integrate the themes without asking the original composers for permission.

[Dark Raven]

If he were still alive, I wouldn't mind a score by Elmer Bernstein. After all, the Avengers seems to be the superhero equivalent of The Magnificent Seven.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Considering Whedon, it'll most definitely be a single composer. And since Marvel Studios owns the rights to the music, they can have the composer integrate the themes without asking the original composers for permission.

True. Maybe he'll bring Newman along. His music is awesome, and he's worked with whedon before (serenity).

[Elevator Man]

You better duck.

Please don't start with the Elfman bashing.

I don't know who should score this. Let alone who's scoring Cap.and Thor. So I'll wait to see who's scoring those two before I give my choice or opinion of who should score The Avengers.

They probably might be cheap on a composer and get someone they can force to follow temp tracks and not come up with anything new and original ,but generic and boring instead.

Which this genre desperately needs to work on. Having better scores. I mean.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Patrick Doyle is Scoring thor, FYI

[Elevator Man]

Patrick Doyle is Scoring thor, FYI
Source please.

Let me guess you assume that b/c Doyle is Branagh's usual collaborator.
I'm sorry I want confirmation. Which superherohype or any other comic book movie related website hasn't confirmed yet.

[Gunga Diner]

I really don't like the idea of multiple composers. A singlular composer who is versatile enough to encapsulate all of the themes while giving the film its own unique sound and carrying the story emotionally is what they need to look for. Newman would be an outstanding choice. He's versatile without being bland. He's also usually doing really bad comedies when he does get work, so I'm sure his schedule would be free.

[The Caped Knight]

This should be the main theme
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[A Necessary Evil]

I'd like the idea of many composers, but sometimes the score gets botched and screwed in the film (see Spider-Man 3 before all those tracked cues).

[ddddeeee]

Source please.

Let me guess you assume that b/c Doyle is Branagh's usual collaborator.
I'm sorry I want confirmation. Which superherohype or any other comic book movie related website hasn't confirmed yet.

A source isn't needed. Do we need a source to know Elfman will score Burton's next film or that Williams will score Speilberg's? Not only do they work together, but Doyle is one of Branagh's best friends. He will be scoring Thor.

[Elevator Man]

A source isn't needed. Do we need a source to know Elfman will score Burton's next film or that Williams will score Speilberg's? Not only do they work together, but Doyle is one of Branagh's best friends. He will be scoring Thor.

That's what people thought when Nolan was working on BB. Fans thought David Julyan was a shoe-in for it. Nolan decided to go with Zimmer. While Zimmer decided Newton Howard would be helpful to him as well. Look at how that turned out.

Singer usually works with Ottman on his projects but when he was working on the first X-men. Ottman wasn't availiable b/c he was busy directing Urban Legends: Final Cut. So Singer and co. went with Michael Kamen instead.

The same goes for Jon Favreau . Debney is a frequent collaborator of his, but Favreau went with Ramin Djawadi instead for the first Iron Man.

Notice that this is their (Nolan, Singer, and Favreau) first attempt at a summer popcorn movie. That's based on a comic book no less. The same could happen with Branagh. I'm not assuming just being skeptical.

I'll give another (different) example. Del Toro usually works with Beltrami on his American films but for some reason for Hellboy II he went with Elfman instead. Eventhough Beltrami already established the Hellboy universe Del Toro wanted for the first film. Yet he wanted the score to go in another direction for the sequel. The second film continues where the first left off so why change composers. I'm not complaining b/c I respect both composers and enjoy both their work. With that said there's a continuity gap with the music that's already been established. I think it would've been interesting to see where Beltrami would've taken it with the sequel. Like I said I still enjoyed Elfman's dense, dark, magical and epic score for Hellboy II.

Another thing. I'm always skeptical about composers signing on to some projects especially of this genre. Look at how Hulk (2003) replaced Danna for Elfman with less than two or three months (I think) before it's release. Elfman only had a month to compose the music for it. James Newton Howard replaced Howard Shore for King Kong (2005). Newton Howard had three weeks to compose the music I believe. Elfman's score almost didn't make the final cut for The Wolfman (2010) and got close to being replaced by Paul Haslinger of all people. Elfman was replaced (a few months ago) by Newton Howard for The Green Hornet b/c of scheduling conflicts. I can go on and on. The point I'm trying make is that stuff happens and composers don't always stay on board either out of creative differences, falling outs, scheduling conflicts, studio interference, or even the director wanting to try new things with the music e.g. working with a different composer.

Anyways I always take info about composers being hired for a film with a grain of salt. Until I see the movie myself or see the album of that movie with the composers name on it.

Btw, I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. I know you're a nice guy. I was just backing up why I'm skeptical about who's scoring the Thor movie.

[ddddeeee]

All those guys were busy, Doyle's been doing nothing for a while now. I can see your point, but at the same time, it's pretty much confirmed. Yeah he might be replaced at the last minute like you said, not that Branagh would ever let that happen, but that Captain America poster (which was confirmed to be fake) was also confirmed to have some of Thor's official crew on it. Doyle was listed as composer and that guy who did the art direction for Batman Returns.

[Elevator Man]

Yeah. I have no problem with Doyle scoring Thor. It's just that I'm skeptical especially with Marvel's track record for scores in the past two years.

[ddddeeee]

I'm worried about what they might do to the score. Doyle always gives a good strong central theme, and I got the impression from Debney that he was discouraged from using a lot of thematic material.

[TheVileOne]

Most recent comic book movies have lacked really big epic themes and scores and that's a little sad IMHO.

I really liked what they did with the music in the Dark Knight and the Joker's one note theme. The music picked up really well in Dark Knight and built off the first movie.

However nothing has been as good or as memorable as the John Williams Superman theme or the Danny Elfman Batman theme.

Ottman put some great music together for X2 that was promptly tossed in the trash with the third movie as they had yet another new composer. It makes me sick.

I wish Michael Giacchino did Avengers and gave it a Star Wars type of score because that is what it needs and deserves.

[mclay18]

Ottman put some great music together for X2 that was promptly tossed in the trash with the third movie as they had yet another new composer. It makes me sick.

Well, Ratner encouraged Powell to do his own thing. But in a 2006 interview, Powell said he wrote new music that "was in the same family as Michael Kamen and John Ottman" (and there are some Kamen and Ottman stylistic pieces in X3's score). Plus, Ottman was unavailable to do X3 because he was both editing and scoring SR at the time.

But I loved Powell's score for X3. Still do. Some of the action stuff blows away Ottman's work on X2, and the Phoenix theme is beautiful stuff.

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, I just didn't care for it. I think Powell is a good composer, but it felt like a servicing job and not a true score to me. I don't like that in all of the movies there is no unifying theme.

In The Dark Knight they bring back certain pieces in the score of the first movie along with the new stuff.

[storyteller]

The film doesn't need multiple composers. Composers tend to do something silly like make sheet music. They hire one composer who samples the themes of each respective film to make the music for the avengers. The last thing a composer needs his a bunch of them in one room.

[Elevator Man]

Most recent comic book movies have lacked really big epic themes and scores and that's a little sad IMHO.

I really liked what they did with the music in the Dark Knight and the Joker's one note theme. The music picked up really well in Dark Knight and built off the first movie.

However nothing has been as good or as memorable as the John Williams Superman theme or the Danny Elfman Batman theme.

Ottman put some great music together for X2 that was promptly tossed in the trash with the third movie as they had yet another new composer. It makes me sick.

I wish Michael Giacchino did Avengers and gave it a Star Wars type of score because that is what it needs and deserves.

LOL. You complain about the way film scores have been like in this genre b/c of a lack of really big epic themes, but praise the lame one note Joker motif, which is anything but "epic". Elfman's Doc Ock theme, Powell's Dark Phoenix theme, and even Ottman's Luthor theme for SR were memorable and more epic than that poor-excuse-of-a-Joker-theme-that-Zimmer -came-up-with-in-10 seconds.

That's sad that the Joker and Heath's tour- de-force performance for the same character got such a pathetic theme, imo. They both deserved better. The rest of the TDK score is leftovers of BB, which is leftovers of the MV/RC sound design junkload factory. That they use in every action movie they scored in the past 15 years. Having a Batman score sounding like anything from a Jerry Bruckheimer/Michael Bay movie score isn't something that's distinct and appropriate for Batman. It's something that you hear in 90% of all action movies.

What I'm trying to say is Zimmer's Batman score is interchangeable with any action movie scored by him and his cronies. Batman deserves his own sound. If he wanted to do something new since it was a new take don't use your typical and generic MV/RC sound scape that been used to death. Zimmer should've changed his sound to fit Batman and not change to Batman fit his generic style. Which is what I feared about Zimmer scoring the Superman reboot.

Also I think some people hate on Powell's X3 score b/c of the movie it's associated with. Which isn't fair. That's amazing that Powell was able to came up with something like that for a movie that craptacular. Definitely the best thing about that movie, imo.

I agree about Giachinno. I want him to score a movie in this genre. And take it in another direction. This genre definitely and desperately needs it ,imo.

[Gunga Diner]

LOL. You complain about the way film scores have been like in this genre b/c of a lack of really big epic themes, but praise the lame one note Joker motif, which is anything but "epic". Elfman's Doc Ock theme, Powell's Dark Phoenix theme, and even Ottman's Luthor theme for SR were memorable and more epic than that poor-excuse-of-a-Joker-theme-that-Zimmer -came-up-with-in-10 seconds.

That's sad that the Joker and Heath's tour- de-force performance for the same character got such a pathetic theme, imo. They both deserved better. The rest of the TDK score is leftovers of BB, which is leftovers of the MV/RC sound design junkload factory. That they use in every action movie they scored in the past 15 years. Having a Batman score sounding like anything from a Jerry Bruckheimer/Michael Bay movie score isn't something that's distinct and appropriate for Batman. It's something that you hear in 90% of all action movies.

What I'm trying to say is Zimmer's Batman score is interchangeable with any action movie scored by him and his cronies. Batman deserves his own sound. If he wanted to do something new since it was a new take don't use your typical and generic MV/RC sound scape that been used to death. Zimmer should've changed his sound to fit Batman and not change to Batman fit his generic style. Which is what I feared about Zimmer scoring the Superman reboot.

Also I think some people hate on Powell's X3 score b/c of the movie it's associated with. Which isn't fair. That's amazing that Powell was able to came up with something like that for a movie that craptacular. Definitely the best thing about that movie, imo.

I agree about Giachinno. I want him to score a movie in this genre. And take it in another direction. This genre definitely and desperately needs it ,imo.

The Joker theme is one of my very favorite parts of the score for TDK. It sets a specific tone perfectly, it makes you nervous. It immediately reminds me of the joker and hints at his presence in a very unnerving way. The joker's theme shouldn't have been a melody or something obviously clowny or circus-y. That would be way too obvious.

[Wesley Dodds]

The theme of each individual Avenger should be used but incorporated into a much bigger piece; An Avengers Theme.

[Elevator Man]

The Joker theme is one of my very favorite parts of the score for TDK. It sets a specific tone perfectly, it makes you nervous. It immediately reminds me of the joker and hints at his presence in a very unnerving way. The joker's theme shouldn't have been a melody or something obviously clowny or circus-y. That would be way too obvious.

I'm not saying it should be circus-y or clowny. Especially if this Joker puts makeup on that's refered to as war paint instead of clown make up in the film.

I'm sorry I don't think Joker at all when I hear it. I think lazy, unoriginal, cheap, generic, and annoyingly loud for a character like the Joker. All the motif does (other than makes a lot of noise) is sets a tone for the scene and character. Nothing else. There's nothing much going for the theme b/c of how simple it is.

One note is really the best Zimmer could come up with for the Joker ? Really ? What a wasted oppotunity. Can't wait for how Zimmer is going to botch the "theme" for the next villain. Sheesh.

[Randal Graves]

I'm not saying it should be circus-y or clowny. Especially if this Joker puts makeup on that's refered to as war paint instead of clown make up in the film.

I'm sorry I don't think Joker at all when I hear it. I think lazy, unoriginal, cheap, generic, and annoyingly loud for a character like the Joker. All the motif does (other than makes a lot of noise) is sets a tone for the scene and character. Nothing else. There's nothing much going for the theme b/c of how simple it is.

One note is really the best Zimmer could come up with for the Joker ? Really ? What a wasted oppotunity. Can't wait for how Zimmer is going to botch the "theme" for the next villain. Sheesh.
Hans Zimmer's music is actually memorable. The scores for IM, IM2, and TIH have been boring. I can't hear a single piece of music from those movies in my head.

Hopefully they fix that problem with Thor, Cap, and the Avengers.

[Elevator Man]

Hans Zimmer's music is actually memorable. The scores for IM, IM2, and TIH have been boring. I can't hear a single piece of music from those movies in my head.

Hopefully they fix that problem with Thor, Cap, and the Avengers.

Thanks for the heads up on that about Zimmer. I don't have a clue if you are talking about his Batman scores or Hans Zimmer's music in general. I have nothing against Zimmer, but his Batman scores and most of his blockbuster scores. They are too generic and are interchangeable to eachother, imo.

Anyways I agree about IM1 and 2 and TIH being generic and nothing special but your basic run of the mill action music that we get a lot of these days. Shame.

[ddddeeee]

We'll get a great one from Doyle, who has officially been confirmed.
Rumor is that John Powell is scoring Cap, if that's true that would get another great one.

[Sawyer]

I hate to come off as a broken record, but.... Michael Giacchino. :o:up:

[moviedoors]

Duo's have worked before. I like the melding of James Newton Howard's melancholic sound with Hans Zimmer's coiling menace in Batman flicks. But I think that's the exception and not the rule. Having a whole bunch of guys together seems like asking for trouble to me. You're just begging for a lack of cohesion. It's also unrealistic in terms of budget. You're talking about a huge chunk of change to assemble 4 or 5 A-list composers. I say get one talented guy whose got the chops to weave previous themes and motifs in with a brand new vision.

[Elevator Man]

Duo's have worked before. I like the melding of James Newton Howard's melancholic sound with Hans Zimmer's coiling menace in Batman flicks. But I think that's the exception and not the rule. Having a whole bunch of guys together seems like asking for trouble to me. You're just begging for a lack of cohesion. It's also unrealistic in terms of budget. You're talking about a huge chunk of change to assemble 4 or 5 A-list composers. I say get one talented guy whose got the chops to weave previous themes and motifs in with a brand new vision.

I agree with your last sentence. But disagree about Zimmer and Howard. Their sound didn't meld too well together, imo. Plus Howard tried to sound more like Zimmer than himself a few times. Both Batman scores they composed were more like generic sound design that plays on movie trailers from Michael Bay/Jerry Bruckheimer/Action films, imo.

[ddddeeee]

I agree with that. I LOVE James Newton Howard, but he was trying to be Zimmer throughout BB and TDK. Which is a shame because he's so much better than Zimmer.

[flickchick85]

I LOVED Howard's Two-Face stuff in TDK. :(

[MahvelBaby!]

Anyone think the main IM2 theme would have made a great Avengers theme? Everytime I hear nit I think about the Avengers for some reason, I thought it was very badly used in Iron Man 2 I could hardly hear it in the scenes it appeared, or maybe it is just my sound system :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK81B9G8y1M

Personally I'd like musical cues for each respective Hero when they have their "moments" and a singular theme for when they Kick A** together :)

[MahvelBaby!]

I agree with others about giachinno!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRYowiiAOhg&feature=related

[TheVileOne]

If they let Michael Giacchino do a big epic superhero theme like Incredibles, yes please.

[Green Day]

Single, my choices would be
Danny Elfman
James Horner
James newton Howard
Howard Shore
Alexandre Desplat

[Quasimod0]

John Williams!

[alexlachiusa]

John Williams is retired, except for Spielberg's movies.

[TheVileOne]

Once again Michael Giacchino. Listen to The Incredibles theme and let him go crazy.

In the words of Robert Zemeckis to Alan Silvestri during the production of Back To The Future, "BIG! BIG!"

[mclay18]

Single, my choices would be
Danny Elfman
James Horner
James newton Howard
Howard Shore
Alexandre Desplat


I would love to see Desplat score a superhero film. Especially one like The Avengers.

[ddddeeee]

I still love the idea of the other four teaming up but it would never happen.

I'd love to see David Arnold give it a shot.

[Gunga Diner]

David Newman: Undeniably talented, rarely gets decent work. His Serenity score was excellent. Let him take a crack at this.

[Elevator Man]

Single, my choices would be
Danny Elfman
James Horner
James newton Howard
Howard Shore
Alexandre Desplat


Wow! No Zimmer. For once. Yeah I hope he and his cronies won't get a chance to score a second of this. Only problem TPTB would get somebody they can easily micromanage to copy their typical sound. I just hope Whedon and co. go for a more traditional score. That's why it would be sweet if Giacchino and the names you listed above would get this gig. Most likely they won't b/c Marvel Studios likes hiring smaller composers. With the exception of Silvestri for Cap. But he hasn't wrote a score that I was really impressed with since Van Helsing.

Some have mentioned David Newman which would be nice as long as he can write a score that takes advantage of his talents. And doesn't limit him to copy the MV/RC sound. Like some composers have suffered scoring these films.

[flickchick85]

Of those recently mentioned, I'd be happy with:

James Newton Howard (always, that guy suits any tone, any genre)
Michael Giacchino
David Newman
Alexandre Desplat (I'm iffy on him in general, but the thought of him doing a superhero score is...intriguing)


And I'd add...

-John Powell
-Marco Beltrami
-Clint Mansell (ever since I learned he did the score to Sahara, which had a totally sound than people associate with him, I've wanted to see him score a proper blockbuster)
-And for a "cheaper, smaller composer" suggestion - maybe Henry Jackman. I think he's shown a lot of potential with X-Men: First Class and his contributions on Kick-Ass. Kinda reminds me of John Powell's early days.

[mclay18]

Alexandre Desplat (I'm iffy on him in general, but the thought of him doing a superhero score is...intriguing)


If you heard his score for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1, Desplat can easily adapt to a wide range of genres (and not be typecast for romance and drama films). His action music for HP was truly impressive. And the way Desplat would use the electric guitar to represent Iron Man/Tony Stark would be more interesting than what Djawadi or Debney did for the IM films.

But Whedon has a good eye for composers. Whoever he'll pick will do a fine job. I would be ecstatic if someone like Desplat signed on to do The Avengers.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Howard Shore or Michael Giacchino for me.

I haven't heard anything from Howard Shore other than The Lord of the Rings (which is my favorite score of all time) so I really wonder what else he can do. I might have to sit through Eclipse just to get more of a feel of what he can do.

Michael Giacchino always has a unique recognizable score, not usually epic the way The Avengers needs to be, but he could probably do it if he wanted.

[04nbod]

I hope they keep some of the themes from the solo movies. If Thor's return isn't a variation on 'Can you see Jane?' I will be very disappointed

[Doctor Jones]

I think there will be variations on the characters themes from their own movies.

[Oberon sexton]

my choices:
Thomas Newman
Ennio Morricone
and Daft Punk. their score for Tron should have gotten an Oscar nom.

[Gunga Diner]

Alexandre Desplat would be a likely choice, he's been getting a lot of work lately. He's got range and talent to spare, but aside from Fantastic Mr. Fox (odd choice, I know) none of his stuff has blown me away.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up for David Newman. Whedon hasn't brought any of his original crew members from Serenity, Newman probably won't be the exception. He's not somebody the studios would hire for a big tentpole movie anyway :csad:

[MahvelBaby!]

Will Michael Giacchino finally get into a Marvel film? Stay tuned and find out! :D

[TheVileOne]

I think that would be awesome. After what he did with Star Trek, Incredibles, and even his one sort of Godzilla tribute piece for Cloverfield, I've wanted him to do this movie. I think he can give it justice and give it the big theme it deserves.

The themes of the previous Marvel movies, I'm sorry but they just haven't been big enough. We need something huge and bug that we can hum and remember forever. We need the Star Wars or Indiana Jones of superhero movie scores here.

Remember Lord of the Rings? Howard Shore delivered there for us. I think Giacchino could do the same.

[ddddeeee]

I can't really get on board with Giacchino bar his Lost (which I completely adore) and Pixar work.

[TheVileOne]

And why is that?

[Sawyer]

I dont see how anyone could have a big problem with any of Giacchino's previous stuff. His work on Star Trek was incredible, his Pixar work has been first class and on LOST, he raised the bar for television score. What's not to love?

[ddddeeee]

And why is that?

I just don't. I have all seven of the Lost CD releases and play them pretty often. Star Trek has got about three listens, about two of which were me trying to force myself to like it, and now it's gathering dust on the shelf. Didn't think much of Let Me In either, and Mission Impossible 3 is my least favourite score of the three.

I do really dig 'Roar' though, I forgot to mention that.

[Fifthchild]

I think i agree with most that the scores for Marvel movies have thusfar been somewhat lackluster. I like big themes and memorable melodies as much as the next guy. I did like what Armstrong did for TIH however, very Bourne like in places, and he did try hard to work in some thematic material for the Hulk even if it wasnt something you might whistle to yourself. Though ive never really liked/recalled anything Doyle has done before i did like what he did for Thor and he came up with a very nice Thor/Asgard theme IMO. So I guess its really the Iron Man movies that I am dissapointe with. I suspect that might have a lot to do with Favreau's keenness for the rock guitar sound - I would have thought something more electronic would have been a more natural association for a tech based character like Stark.

Anyway it seems a budget conscious studio like Marvel are more likely to go with a cheaper, smaller name composer for an aspect of the film that they probably see as largely interchangable like the score. I hope this changes for The Avengers however (the decision to go with ILM as the main effects house might indicate a more "top shelf" approach) or at least that a lesser known guy can come in and knock it out of the park.

I can see there is a fair bit of antipathy towards Zimmer and his crew (not uncommonly amongst score afficiandos) but im a fan and i think the Joker's theme from TDK was perfect. It may be "one note" but the sound design was awesome and totally suited such an anarchic depiction of the character. I would love to see him given the gig.

Giacchino would also be great. Elfman is fine but i think that would be a somewhat boring choice. I really like Jackman's score for First Class especially from someone id never heard of before. Powell's X3 score was great and in some parts was phenomenal (Dark Phoenix's Tragedy) and I think he would be potentially epic. Im sure we will end up with someone nobody saw coming however :yay:

[ladyloki]

http://www.cinezik.org/critiques/affcritique.php?titre=harry_potter_reliques_mort2

I think after listening to the samples for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part two the work of Alexandre Desplat is amazing, there is so much range so I think he could pull of the Avengers very well. Because the story should have a mixture of action, drama and maybe a sense of hopelesness in one part of the movie and Desplat can do that range very good Go and check it out ! :yay:

[mclay18]

I can see there is a fair bit of antipathy towards Zimmer and his crew (not uncommonly amongst score afficiandos) but im a fan and i think the Joker's theme from TDK was perfect. It may be "one note" but the sound design was awesome and totally suited such an anarchic depiction of the character. I would love to see him given the gig.

No. For those reasons you listed above, Zimmer would be an awful choice. I'm really tired of these superhero scores nowadays (X-Men:FC, GL) that just have a couple of chords strung together and dubbed a "theme." For a big event team-up film, it needs a lot more than what Zimmer provided. I'm in the same age bracket you guys are in, but I was raised loving all these wonderful, harmonic scores. Superhero films benefit from these.

The only RC/MV composer I would be comfortable with doing The Avengers is John Powell. And he's done superhero territory two times, and I liked what he did. But Zimmer, nuh-uh. The man can write entertaining music (the POTC films being several), but he's not great at superheroes.

[Elayis]

I think out of all the choices I've heard, David Newman sounds the best.

Anyone from Media Ventures (except for Djawadi) is a no-no, since DC basically has the monopoly on them.

I don't want Giacchino because all of his stuff sounds like LOST.

Howard Shore is busy doing The Hobbit.

As for the others, I just don't see it happening. Powell would be good, as would Mansell or Desplat. But with Marvel's track record, I just don't see it happening.

I just don't want Debney. His Iron Man score was adequate, but Djawadi's was so much better. Another reason why I hated IM2.

[Sawyer]

I think out of all the choices I've heard, David Newman sounds the best.

Anyone from Media Ventures (except for Djawadi) is a no-no, since DC basically has the monopoly on them.

I don't want Giacchino because all of his stuff sounds like LOST.

Howard Shore is busy doing The Hobbit.

As for the others, I just don't see it happening. Powell would be good, as would Mansell or Desplat. But with Marvel's track record, I just don't see it happening.

I just don't want Debney. His Iron Man score was adequate, but Djawadi's was so much better. Another reason why I hated IM2.

Then you clearly haven't listened to his stuff for The Incredibles, Up, Ratatouille, Speed Racer, Star Trek... basically all of his work besides LOST. :o

[Elayis]

I couldn't stand Star Trek. The somber-ish music that played when the Kelvin was destroyed was EXACTLY LIKE LOST. As was a good portion of Let Me In (when it wasn't being bland).

Like John Williams, Giacchino is good at themes, but that's about it. His incidental cues all sound like gibberish and are interchangeable.

I can't comment on his Pixar work because I don't care for the movies (although I did like The Incredibles, but I haven't seen it in awhile).

[Sawyer]

Okay, yes, Labor of Love did sound like LOST. But, really... so what?

LOST sounded great all around.

Let's get down to brass tacks here: The Avengers would be damn lucky to have him.

[Sawyer]

Okay, yes, Labor of Love did sound like LOST. But, really... so what?

LOST sounded great all around.

Let's get down to brass tacks here: The Avengers would be damn lucky to have him. :o

[Elayis]

Maybe. I don't know. It just irks me that all of his stuff is so samey. I really don't want to hear LOST in The Avengers.

My top choice that has been suggested is David Newman.

[Fifthchild]

No. For those reasons you listed above, Zimmer would be an awful choice. I'm really tired of these superhero scores nowadays (X-Men:FC, GL) that just have a couple of chords strung together and dubbed a "theme." For a big event team-up film, it needs a lot more than what Zimmer provided. I'm in the same age bracket you guys are in, but I was raised loving all these wonderful, harmonic scores. Superhero films benefit from these.

The only RC/MV composer I would be comfortable with doing The Avengers is John Powell. And he's done superhero territory two times, and I liked what he did. But Zimmer, nuh-uh. The man can write entertaining music (the POTC films being several), but he's not great at superheroes.

I dont really agree with writing him off as being wrong for the genre based on what he did for the Batman films even if you didnt like the approach. Peronally once i accepted a more minimalistic approach to the score I really enjoyed it and it enhances the separation from the previous films which im sure was part of the idea. He does have other strings in his bow and a facility for melody as seen in the Pirates scores. Anyway i suppose it comes down to a matter of personal taste and we arent all going to agree on everything.

[ddddeeee]

Giacchino won't be doing it anyway. Thor was a May release and Doyle started on it in September, during which Giacchino will be working on Mission Impossible 4 and then John Carter straight after.

I don't think we're getting a big name for this.

[ladyloki]

after just comming back from seeing x men first class.. I was not only blown away by the movie but the soundtrack was sick .... I said in a previous post that Desplat would be good but I would love to have Henry Jackman do avengers !!!

[Gunga Diner]

after just comming back from seeing x men first class.. I was not only blown away by the movie but the soundtrack was sick .... I said in a previous post that Desplat would be good but I would love to have Henry Jackman do avengers !!!

Henry Jackman would be crazy. I listen to his First Class score in my car all the time. :woot:

[ladyloki]

Henry Jackman would be crazy. I listen to his First Class score in my car all the time. :woot:


I know I cant stop listening to it ... especially the track sub lift , its off the wall :yay:

[Elevator Man]

I think i agree with most that the scores for Marvel movies have thusfar been somewhat lackluster. I like big themes and memorable melodies as much as the next guy. I did like what Armstrong did for TIH however, very Bourne like in places, and he did try hard to work in some thematic material for the Hulk even if it wasnt something you might whistle to yourself. Though ive never really liked/recalled anything Doyle has done before i did like what he did for Thor and he came up with a very nice Thor/Asgard theme IMO. So I guess its really the Iron Man movies that I am dissapointe with. I suspect that might have a lot to do with Favreau's keenness for the rock guitar sound - I would have thought something more electronic would have been a more natural association for a tech based character like Stark.

Anyway it seems a budget conscious studio like Marvel are more likely to go with a cheaper, smaller name composer for an aspect of the film that they probably see as largely interchangable like the score. I hope this changes for The Avengers however (the decision to go with ILM as the main effects house might indicate a more "top shelf" approach) or at least that a lesser known guy can come in and knock it out of the park.

I can see there is a fair bit of antipathy towards Zimmer and his crew (not uncommonly amongst score afficiandos) but im a fan and i think the Joker's theme from TDK was perfect. It may be "one note" but the sound design was awesome and totally suited such an anarchic depiction of the character. I would love to see him given the gig.

Giacchino would also be great. Elfman is fine but i think that would be a somewhat boring choice. I really like Jackman's score for First Class especially from someone id never heard of before. Powell's X3 score was great and in some parts was phenomenal (Dark Phoenix's Tragedy) and I think he would be potentially epic. Im sure we will end up with someone nobody saw coming however :yay:

Not as boring as Zimmer.


I just don't want Debney. His Iron Man score was adequate, but Djawadi's was so much better. Another reason why I hated IM2.

I'm not a fan of Debney's music by any means. But to say his score is one of the reasons you hated IM2 b/c Djawadi's score (which is FAR from decent, imo) was better. Is laughable to me. No offense. Debney's score was weak b/c he had to follow the sound and tone that Djawadi used (which you hear in most action movie scores from (and not from)the MV/RC factory ) for IM. Djawadi's score was already weak and generic, imo. So instead of hiring a different composer to write a different score for the sequel. TPTB have him copy the same generic sound that the first film had, which is again in pretty much every popcorn movie blockbuster today. Djawadi's score for IM was probably the weakest thing about the film, imo. So to me that was a good thing he didn't come back for IM2. But why hire Debney if they wanted a Djawadi (or MV/RC type) score ? For that reason TPTB should've just kept Djawadi.

Back to The Avengers . Beltrami would be a good choice as well. I would love to see him get a project of this scale. Probably doubtful though.

[Sawyer]

Zimmer is boring?

:whatever:

[Elevator Man]

Zimmer is boring?

:whatever:

Yeah imo Zimmer and his MV/RC comrades are very boring when it comes to scoring action/ adventure/ popcorn movie blockbusters. Directors and producers have been loving this type of sound for 16 years and counting. The Avengers needs something new and groundbreaking. Zimmer and his buddiies won't bring that. It'll be more sound design and another huge noisefest. So hopefully they get a composer with real talent and want's to bring something new to the genre. Yes I know very doubtful.

[ddddeeee]

Zimmer is boring?

:whatever:

Nowadays? Yes. Except when he's working with Ron Howard.

[TheVileOne]

Giacchino would do a good job. Just give him permission to go crazy. Just tell him to write the definitive superhero movie score of all time and he will deliver.

We've been jipped on comic book superhero movie scores too often.

[Elayis]

I'm not sure if this guy's been mentioned yet, but he just popped into my head, and now I can't help but think that he would be perfect for this, and give him a big publicity push that he seems to be lacking.

Elliot Goldenthal. Loved his work on Heat and Final Fantasy. He's magnificent.

[Krimasen]

I think the score needs to be epic and sweeping, so I'd suggest Hans Zimmer, John Williams, or Steve Jablonsky.

[The Watcher]

Giacchino is really a top choice. His works have been identifiable (as being composed by him), and yet separate and distinct in their sound. His themes mix a degree of epicness with drama and heart (Star Trek displayed this quite excellently), and action themes aren't at all 'out of his comfort zone' (MI3). Mystery and character themes have been explored with LOST, and Up was just a bundle of joy.

Considering Whedon's on the project - I don't recall a 'constant' composer in his past projects.

I think two collaborative composers would work well for the film, though.

[Oberon sexton]

I wouldn't mind Elfman, especially if he brings
Some of "Hulk" insanity to the picture.

[Krimasen]

Elfman's a fine composer, but I think his works are largely better suited for darker fare. I've also enjoyed Giacchino's work very much especially in Lost, but I'm not sure he'd be up to the task.

[ddddeeee]

Elfman and Giacchino are completely booked for next year.

Silvestri doesn't seem to have any movies lined up at all.

[Gamingboy]

If it would be anything like how my head works when I read comics, then each character would have a theme:

The Hulk and Banner would have "The Lonely Man" (AKA the 80s theme music) as their theme (this actually isn't without precedent, since it was sampled in the 2008 score).

Iron Man and Stark would be, of course, an instrumental of Black Sabbath.

Captain America would have some sort of semi-over-the-top patriotic music, although I haven't heard the First Avenger score yet, so maybe that could take over.


etc. etc.

And I have the Avengers theme music in my head as almost a march that builds up until we have the musical equivalent of AVENGERS ASSEMBLE at which point it becomes all-out awesomeness.

[The Watcher]

I'm particularly looking for a composer who's willing to take the themes of each character from the past movies and input them into the score. Perhaps put his/her own spin on the track, but at least incorporate that general tune.

[tillyvick14]

I will be very upset if each character does not have his individual theme incorporated into the film along with a sweeping new theme for the team as a whole. That will be a very tall order and I'm not sure how it will be accomplished but that's what I want as a fan.

[MahvelBaby!]

Themes I'd like to see reprised somehow into Avengers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsO-lttHb8k (Yes I prefer Debney's Iron Man theme, if this is his theme, it's the song I think of when I think of Iron Man.)

http://www.youtube.com/user/ddddeeee525#p/u/53/GGCjE7Q0FzE

http://www.youtube.com/user/ddddeeee525#p/u/1/ddVTjy1pRjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oiG8KmKpqo (But I'd like a new heroic theme for Hulk)

[Krimasen]

Whoever does ultimately take over scoring duties will have quite a task ahead of them.

[Elevator Man]

I think the score needs to be epic and sweeping, so I'd suggest Hans Zimmer, John Williams, or Steve Jablonsky.


When you think epic and sweeping Zimmer and Jablonsky(excluding Williams) are the first to come to mind ? Wow. Generic and lackluster is what comes to mind (for me) when you mention those two names. Especially when it comes to this genre. Williams scoring this will only happen in a wet dream.

Marvel Studios needs to stay as far away as possible from Zimmer (shouldn't be too hard since he'll be busy scoring TDKR) and his MV/RC buddies. If not this will sound no different from Bay's Transformers, the Nolan Batman trilogy, and many other MV/RC action scores. The Avengers' score shouldn't sound like any of those scores.

The composer should write something that's appropriate for the Avengers and something that'll break ground. Especially since this is the first time something like this happen in the genre (with superheroes from other films joining forces for the greater good ). This is something that we thought that we would never see before IM. And now it's coming. The score should reflect that. Kind of like how STM hit the big screen and it being the first cbm it set the bar that many follow ( when it comes to this genre) to this day. Even the score set the bar. I hope the Avengers score (as well as the film) will set a bar for many scores of the genre to follow. So whoever gets the gig needs to bring his A-game and deliver something mind blowing and groundbreaking. But I seriously doubt that.

[BatmanInc]

Who do I want to score it? John Williams?

Do I think it's likely that he will? Not really. A 1/50 chance, at most.

[Dark Raven]

Themes I'd like to see reprised somehow into Avengers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsO-lttHb8k (Yes I prefer Debney's Iron Man theme, if this is his theme, it's the song I think of when I think of Iron Man.)

http://www.youtube.com/user/ddddeeee525#p/u/53/GGCjE7Q0FzE

http://www.youtube.com/user/ddddeeee525#p/u/1/ddVTjy1pRjI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oiG8KmKpqo (But I'd like a new heroic theme for Hulk)

You prefer Debney's Iron Man theme, so why post the Captain America march then?

[Alexei Belyakov]

John Powell all the way.

[TheVileOne]

Isn't John Williams semi-retired now anyway?

[By your Command]

I would enjoy to hear Craig Armstrong's themes for Hulk, he did a magnificent job, also Djawadi had a nice fun theme for Iron Man. If those themes are reprised it would be fun, but however composes needs to create a really iconic and memorable Avengers theme.

[Elevator Man]

but however composes needs to create a really iconic and memorable Avengers theme.

Agreed. The theme needs to stand alongside such classics as Williams Superman/Star Wars/Indy theme, Courage's Star Trek theme, and many others.

[Punisher_MAX]

Jablonksy did a pretty damn good job on Gears of War so i wouldnt mind him doing it.

Trevor Rabin would also be my left field choice because of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCA5f-kBcxs

Silvestri also did a great job on Captain America so if they brought him in i'd be satisfied.

[mclay18]

I don't know if I suggested him (or if anyone else did), but I think someone like Brian Tyler would be one of the composers Marvel Studios could ask for The Avengers. Tyler's had some great work in bad movies. He has that MV/RC influence in some of his work, but he can write a good theme or two.

Not to mention he's not averse to incorporating other composers' themes into sequel scores he does. Rambo and The Final Destination both incorporated Goldsmith and Walker's themes from the previous films into his scores. If he gets the gig, I'm pretty sure he'll use Silvestri's CA theme and Doyle's Thor theme in the film.

[Elayis]

No offense, but Tyler is a blatant RC rip-off, without any of the originality. I never thought I'd say this, but he's even worse than Jablonsky. At least his themes are likable.

Tyler's just beats you over the head with its bombasticy. His score to B:LA just drove me insane.

If ends up doing it (which I highly doubt, but still, let's let this hypothetical situation be pondered for a moment), I would seriously consider not seeing the film. Battle: Los Angeles was one of the worst film experiences I've had in some time, and even though I love Whedon and all of the actors involved... just... no.

That said, I actually enjoy his stuff when it isn't that generic action music. His quieter work on Bangkok Dangerous was actually quite soothing.

[mclay18]

If ends up doing it (which I highly doubt, but still, let's let this hypothetical situation be pondered for a moment), I would seriously consider not seeing the film. Battle: Los Angeles was one of the worst film experiences I've had in some time, and even though I love Whedon and all of the actors involved... just... no.

It's all about what the director and producers want. I enjoyed Tyler's Battle: LA score, but I disagree on that he always delivers bombastic action scores. I'll agree that he relies a bit too much on electronics and percussion nowadays, but Tyler is flexible. He can deliver subtle, suspenseful music and better-arranged action music. (It's just a lot of the producers he works with demand that kind of sound. But at least he composes and conducts all his music when he can.)

When I heard David Newman was scoring Whedon's Serenity, I was skeptical. But his score was surprisingly different and good... so if Tyler gets the Avengers gig I'm sure he'll tone down his excesses and such.

[Quasimod0]

Was anyone reminded of star wars and indiana jones when they heard cap's score? hydra train sounds like it is straight outta star wars. i love it

[xeno000]

Personally, I hope they get Alan Silvestri to score the film. His score for CA:TFA was fantastic and totally suited the mood of the film and the iconic nature of the character. Silvestri has definitely grown as a composer over the last three decades. At one time I found that many of his scores shared the same thematic elements, which made them all sound similar. However, his recent work has been very distinctive, drawing less from the motifs he used in his earlier scores. He has always done great work with action films, so I believe that he would be ideally suited to The Avengers, if he is available. However, I'm sure that whoever is chosen will do a great job.

Unless it's Elfman. That guy is played.

[Zap]

I actually wouldn't mind Silvestri scoring this one again. I do agree with everyone saying that this film needs to own all other scores from the solo movies, and still stand out as its own unique piece, so a memorable theme is needed: one that I can hum along to days after I hear it in the film :oldrazz:

[TheVileOne]

Michael Giacchino is going to be at D23, so I hope to ask him about maybe working on th emovie.

[Krimasen]

When you think epic and sweeping Zimmer and Jablonsky(excluding Williams) are the first to come to mind ? Wow. Generic and lackluster is what comes to mind (for me) when you mention those two names. Especially when it comes to this genre.

I think I meant to say Harry Gregson-Williams but confused him with Hans Zimmer. And I very much enjoyed Jablonsky's first Transformers score and think he could do well with Avengers. Just because someone hasn't done something epic doesn't mean they can't :cwink:

[Krimasen]

Jablonksy did a pretty damn good job on Gears of War so i wouldnt mind him doing it.

Kevin Riepl did Gears of War, not Steve Jablonsky. :P

[ddddeeee]

Michael Giacchino is going to be at D23, so I hope to ask him about maybe working on th emovie.

Look at what he's already listed for, there's no way he could fit TA in his schedule.

[Punisher_MAX]

Kevin Riepl did Gears of War, not Steve Jablonsky. :P

whoops i meant GoW2

[Dark Raven]

After seeing all the footage today of Cap and Thor fighting side by side, I really hope we get an epic and rousing score to accompany this movie. Silvestri wouldn't be bad, and he could incorporate his Cap theme when he's taking on those villains by himself at first.

[Roughneck]

Give the Avenger to Clint Mansell with credits to the other folks

[Zap]

A remix of all the themes would be sweet

[Elayis]

Give the Avenger to Clint Mansell with credits to the other folks

Sounds good to me.

[Elevator Man]

Unless it's Elfman. That guy is played.

Elfman is far from played. Last year he had three scores released. All were first rate to my ears. The Wolfman(2010) Alice in Wonderland (2010), and The Next Three Days. Those three scores couldn't sound anymore different from each other. A lot of the scores Elfman wrote in the last decade I enjoyed a great deal more than Silvestri's output of the same decade. Doesn't matter anyway since Elfman's booked next year.

[Elevator Man]

I think I meant to say Harry Gregson-Williams but confused him with Hans Zimmer. And I very much enjoyed Jablonsky's first Transformers score and think he could do well with Avengers. Just because someone hasn't done something epic doesn't mean they can't :cwink:

Gregson Williams isn't any better,imo. If they want The Avengers to sound like Transformers and pretty much every MV/RC score written for action movies these days. Then by all means hire Jablonsky. But if they want something creative, original, and something that fits The Avengers and it's film. Then look elsewhere. By that I mean stay away from MV/RC composers (excluding Powell).

[Superhero 101]

In the d23 vid Is that a new song playing in the background when feige was introducing the cast members

[Elayis]

I agree. Gregson-Williams' score to Wolverine was very sub-par compared to the first three films, or even First Class.

I still think it might be a good idea to bring Djawadi back. Loved his score for Iron Man, and I'd be interested to see what he could do with something with the sheer scope and size of Avengers. Game of Thrones showed he could do emotional work, so I have no doubts that he is qualified.

[Elayis]

In the d23 vid Is that a new song playing in the background when feige was introducing the cast members

Nope. It's the same one that played when the cast walked onto the Avengers panel last year at SDCC.

It's from Iron Man 2. "Sledgehammer" by John Debney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrtaoj98TbM

[Krimasen]

I still think it might be a good idea to bring Djawadi back. Loved his score for Iron Man, and I'd be interested to see what he could do with something with the sheer scope and size of Avengers. Game of Thrones showed he could do emotional work, so I have no doubts that he is qualified.

I wasn't too thrilled with Djawadi's score. I thought at times it sounded a little too techno.

[mclay18]

I actually wouldn't mind Silvestri scoring this one again. I do agree with everyone saying that this film needs to own all other scores from the solo movies, and still stand out as its own unique piece, so a memorable theme is needed: one that I can hum along to days after I hear it in the film :oldrazz:

Yes. A memorable, hummable theme is key. Silvestri can deliver that, and he's not averse to incorporating other musical ideas into his score. (I haven't heard him compose a score that used other composers' themes, but he did skillfully integrate carols into his Zemeckis' A Christmas Carol.)

I'd be happy if Marvel Studios and Disney went with any of these guys: Silvestri, Patrick Doyle, Bear McCreary, Conrad Pope, Alexandre Desplat, Brian Tyler, John Debney, David Newman.

[TheVileOne]

If it is not Giacchino, Silvestri wouldn't be too bad. He did a good job, not outstanding, with Cap. But at least better than all the previous run of Marvel Studios films.

Nothing has come close to Elfman's Batman theme or Williams' Superman theme.

[ddddeeee]

For what it's worth, in recent years Silvestri has only done one film per year and he's already booked for one in 2012. Doyle has Pixar's Brave which would clash and Debney has his typical pile of crappy romcoms (someone get that man a better agent!).

We'll likely be getting someone new.

[TheVileOne]

Steal Michael Giacchino from something.

[Krimasen]

Nothing has come close to Elfman's Batman theme or Williams' Superman theme.

Very true. There's some good themes in the Marvel movies, but nothing really outstanding (the one exception may be Spider-Man's theme).

[Sawyer]

The only movie next year that I've seen Giacchino's name attached to is John Carter.

[ddddeeee]

Yeah which comes out in March. Recording will be around that time if not before. Thor was recorded in January.

[Quasimod0]

I thought the main cap theme was pretty memorable.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah Cap had a good theme that was pretty memorable. But Avengers needs to be even bigger. I'm tired of all these average or just above average comic book superhero movie scores. I want something big and awesome that can rival the classic film scores of the 70's, 80's, and 90's which we just aren't seeing anymore.

Now I mean, I really like the music for the Nolan Batman movies and how it grew into Dark Knight. But it still does not compare to what Elfman put together for the 1989 Batman. I'd just really like it if someone could attempt something at least as good.

I mean even Basil Poledouris made an awesome superhero score in Robocop and that wasn't based on a comic.

I like Giacchino because he seems to be one of the few guys out there who does some really impressive, big sounding stuff. Star Trek was really good. His Incredibles was fantastic. His one track for Cloverfield where he did a Godzilla homage was also pretty impressive. That's why I think Giacchino is the perfect man for the job because I truly believe he can do the Avengers music the justice it deserves.

Now I mean none of the music for Iron Man or Iron Man 2 is bad. I mean its there, there are some decent themes, but none of it has that really extra oopmh. It's not classic music that you want to hum later and listen to again and again. Avengers needs that sound.

[Dark Raven]

Anyone remember at the end of some episodes of Buffy in the aftermath of a huge apocalyptic battle when the dust had finally settled and people were taking stock of the destruction and their losses, they would often play the Buffy love theme (Close Your Eyes) from Surprise?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Q80e487SU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Q80e487SU)


Although it was a love theme, I thought it perfectly captured the sudden calm after the storm and the sense of emotion and pensiveness when Buffy realised it was a pyrrhic victory because someone had to be sacrificed or someone died to avert the disaster.


I hope that we get something like that at the end of the final battle in the Avengers. A theme (which has previously played earlier in the movie) but now has more emotional resonance. Then later it can lead to a more victorious section.

[ddddeeee]

Themes are still in movies, they're just less obvious.

Thor, for example, has WAY more themes than Captain America, you have to dig to look for them but once you find them you'll hear them everywhere. I love that, I love that I can listen to the score for the 30th time and still find new variations.

The days of big themes are all gone. Everyone harped on about how CA was a return to form when it had way more to do with Silvestri's G.I. Joe score than the ridiculous Williams comparisons people made.

And this is probably an unpopular opinion but Giacchino's Star Trek theme makes me cringe.

[TheVileOne]

Does his Incredibles score also make you cringe?

Thor's music was meh. Not that good.

[SterlingArcher]

Does his Incredibles score also make you cringe?

Thor's music was meh. Not that good.

I actually thinks thor's music is the best of the bunch...

Caps Is good But I dont think its as Great as some of yall make it seem

but Music is all opinion anyway so to each there own

[TheVileOne]

Giacchino did Incredibles, did his music for that movie make you cringe?

[Savage]

Giacchino did Incredibles, did his music for that movie make you cringe?

That was him? Holy ****. Explains why The Incredibles and Star Trek are two of my favorite film scores.

[ddddeeee]

Giacchino did Incredibles, did his music for that movie make you cringe?

No I like that score a lot. I like all his Pixar scores and love his Lost work. Otherwise he leaves me completely cold, I'd rather he didn't score this.

[TheVileOne]

So you would be OK with say Thor's composer?

[Elayis]

I would be.

[TheVileOne]

If the new Star Trek movie's score makes people cringe. Than the Thor movie score puts me to sleep :o .

[alexlachiusa]

I think John Ottman would be a good choice although he can be a bit hit and miss. His X2 score is fantastic, as are his original pieces that he did for Superman Returns.

Also James Horner or Howard Shore would be epic.

[ddddeeee]

So you would be OK with say Thor's composer?

Well yeah. Patrick Doyle is one of my all time favourites. But he's scoring Pixar's Brave which should have a much better score so I'm happy he won't be doing it.

[Gunga Diner]

Joss indirectly confirmed yesterday that he wouldn't be re-using the themes from the previous movies. He said this, on the topic of how he was approaching the visuals of the film:

“You have to respect the realities of the other movies", says the director. "But visually this is very much my own thing.

“My style is very comic-book-like anyway, so I’m trying to do things the way I always do".

In a film that sees Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk and Thor leaving their own movies behind to fight alongside each other, it seems that Whedon is steering clear of the sticky superhero sundae that a less confident helmsman would likely have lazily blended together.

“Part of Iron Man’s thing was, ‘Wow, this feels just like us!” says Whedon. “Asgard, less so, and Captain America was a nostalgia piece, so basically it would have been like hiring all the composers of all the other movies to work together on the score.”


Read more: Exclusive: Joss Whedon talks Avengers | TotalFilm.com

[AndrewGilkison]

He didn't say he wouldn't use the themes. He only said he wouldn't hire all the composers to work together on the film. Obviously, The Avengers movie itself will likely have it's own score, but the themes for the main characters could still be incorporated into it.

[TheVileOne]

Exactly. He wasn't talking about the movie music, he was talking about how the movie would look and feel in comparison to the several other franchise movies that came before.

[Gunga Diner]

But he was making the point that he wanted to do his own, unique thing for the movie stylistically in both music and visual tone. What this also means is that he's already thought about the score quite a bit, and may have already talked to a composer.

I was blasting in the car on the freeway this on my way to work this morning. I hope to God that Newman gets the job. I love how he uses brass sections for percussion, it makes the whole score feel huge.

SlKuHe5Gpiw

[TheVileOne]

He didn't specifically say music. He was making an analogy for the movie.

[The Watcher]

It just struck me the other day that the "Who's We?" track from The Incredible Hulk Score (by Craig Armstrong) sounded rather 'Avengers' like. Primarily from 0:35 onwards.

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Of course, it seems like 'Sledgehammer' from the Iron Man 2 Score is more commonly associated with The Avengers than anything else.

[Zap]

I think the beginning of this track from Kick Ass gives an Avengers vibe. Could be used as the main theme or ending track for the movie. Just the tune of it (about the first 0:45 seconds) sounds very Avenger-like, IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdp36bA-hU

[Godzilla2000]

They should just have one guy standing there with his synthesizer composing all the music right there during filming.

But in all seriousness I think just one composer should be hired to create the film score. And you know, something similar to this theme would be good for a Loki battle:

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P.S. I just can't get enough of the theme songs for the various Elder Dragons in the Monster Hunter Games. They are just too epic! Love fighting Amatsumaguchi with its strongly Eastern inspired theme. Ceudeus is a boring fight but I love its themes though.

[Godzilla2000]

Oooh! I found another great song from the Monster Hunter franchise that would be a great inspiration for a triumphant song.

The World of Monster Hunters
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[eddy]

I've been watching my buffy season 7 dvds and everytime the dvd loads up and I hear this music I imagine scenes from The Avengers in my head. I hope the Avengers theme sounds as 'big' and loud as this theme does.

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[MahvelBaby!]

So when will we hear who is composing? Sooner? Or later? :D

[Spideyfan93]

We probably won't know until 2012.

[Gunga Diner]

Probably not until December. You usually get an official announcement for a composer sometime around the second trailer, but there's no set rule.

Unless somebody asks specifically who will be scoring the film at Comic-Con this week. It's anyone's guess. I'm betting David Newman won't get the job. Bet on somebody the studio is already comfortable with like John Powell, Giacchino, or Alexandre Desplat to be hired.

[eddy]

Imagine if Daft Punk did the score?

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[DarknessOfDeath]

What about Henry Jackman who did the score for X-Men First Class?? BTW, these two tracks are my favorite.

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I like the part near the end of this one. It rocks! :awesome:


Edit: Videos now work. Thanks Eddy.

[eddy]

What are you inserting into the field? The video I posted before worked.

[DarknessOfDeath]

the link between the yt and the /yt

What did I do wrong??

[eddy]

Don't post the whole link just the part after "?v="

Like this Avengers trailer link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuR3wSKeNOc but instead of putting the whole url in between yt I only put xuR3wSKeNOc, like so:

[ YT ]xuR3wSKeNOc[/ YT ] only without the spaces.

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[Ultimatehero]

I put together this youtube video combining the themes to create what I think each score would ultimately sound like put together, it amazingly fits.

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[Elevator Man]

What about Henry Jackman who did the score for X-Men First Class?? BTW, these two tracks are my favorite.

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I like the part near the end of this one. It rocks! :awesome:



Oh dear. No MV/RC composer (excluding Powell) should be allowed anywhere near this. Besides Jackman has the XM:FC franchise. Though I still haven't heard the score (or seen the film itself yet) to XM:FC. Pretty sure Jackman's score to it is another generic, droning MV/RC sound design driven score and nothing much else.

[Elevator Man]

If they want to get someone who's not cheap or expensive. They shouild get the underrated and talented ...


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Marco Beltrami. He's very versatile and plus his mentor was the late Jerry Goldsmith. The guy's scored everything from the Scream quadrilogy to The Thing (pre-make), Don't be Alone in the Dark (remake), The Omen(2006), Mimic, Blade 2, Hellboy, 3:10 to Yuma, I, Robot, Live Free or Die Hard, Red Eye, The Hurt Locker, Max Payne, Terminator 3, Knowing, Underworld Evolution, and so on and so forth. The guy is very talented, imo. And could use a gig like this.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Oh dear. No MV/RC composer (excluding Powell) should be allowed anywhere near this. Besides Jackman has the XM:FC franchise. Though I still haven't heard the score (or seen the film itself yet) to XM:FC. Pretty sure Jackman's score to it is another generic, droning MV/RC sound design driven score and nothing much else.

At least listen to score before you make a judgment.

[Elevator Man]

At least listen to score before you make a judgment.

I don't need to. When I go on to other forums that discuss the score. And they've pretty much gave the description I gave above about the score. Not that I'm surprised b/c Jackman is from the MV/RC club. Besides their scores are predictable for action movies anyways.

[TheWiseGuy487]

I don't need to. When I go on to other forums that discuss the score. And they've pretty much gave the description I gave above about the score. Not that I'm surprised b/c Jackman is from the MV/RC club. Besides their scores are predictable for action movies anyways.

Whatever.

I loved the score for that film. That's all that matters.

[Elevator Man]

Whatever.

I loved the score for that film. That's all that matters.


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Now instead of talking about XM:FC's generic score. Let's get back on topic on who should score The Avengers. I already mentioned Beltrami would be a good choice. Definitely better than Zimmer and his MV/RC buddies, imo.

[ladyloki]

I agree with you darknessofdeath... I would love for henry jackman to do the avengers... There is so many talented people , Its hard to pick one lol

[El Payaso]

Too many cooks spoil the broth. It's like having multiple directors, one for each superhero.

[cherokeesam]

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Now instead of talking about XM:FC's generic score. Let's get back on topic on who should score The Avengers. I already mentioned Beltrami would be a good choice. Definitely better than Zimmer and his MV/RC buddies, imo.

Okay, *what* the frack is an MV/RC? :dry:

[Elevator Man]

Okay, *what* the frack is an MV/RC? :dry:


Short answer. It's a music production started by Zimmer. Where composers learn techniques from Zimmer with synthesisers and other electronic instruments. It stands for Media Ventures/Remote Control.

[mclay18]

I think a lot of you can rest easily. The latest issue of FSM Online (which is reliable) says that Alan Silvestri (Captain America) will score The Avengers.

I don't have a subscription to FSM Online, but I think Silvestri's wife also leaked the news too on her FB page.

[ddddeeee]

I'm disappointed. Cap had an ok score and all but I was hoping for more.

[Punisher_MAX]

Cap's score was awesome, out of all the MCU scores its the one i catch myself actually humming a lot. Thor's was also awesome.

[Spideyfan93]

I'm excited!

[MahvelBaby!]

Marvel played it safe, but that is not necessarily a bad thing :D

[Tony Starkk]

They should have gotten John Williams.

[MahvelBaby!]

Williams doesn't do anything anymore unless Speilberg or Lucas persuades him too

[ThePowerCosmic]

Damn it, I really wanted Michael Giacchino for this.

[MahvelBaby!]

^ Me too, but I will live with Silvestri

[TheWiseGuy487]

I'm down with Silvestri scoring this. :up:

[Spider-Vader]

I am too. Cap had the best score out of any Marvel movie IMO. The only superhero movies that were better were Williams' Superman, Elfman's Batman & Zimmer's Batman.

[xeno000]

I am overjoyed that Silvestri is scoring The Avengers. CA:TFA had the best score of any Marvel film, and one of the best CBM scores, period. The Captain America March was one of the most thrilling superhero themes ever, IMO. If we get music like this for The Avengers I will be one deliriously happy fan.

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[marcvader]

Wow, listening to that tune totally got me jonesing for Cap. Really looking forward to seeing it again. I have faith in Silvestri going two for two. He did an excellent job for TFA.

[cherokeesam]

Silvestri's score for Cap was appropriately Golden Age and all, and works well in a gee-whiz WWII setting. But Avengers needs to steer clear of that --- I hope Silvestri brings a more modern vibe to this score.

[Quasimod0]

I have no doubt that he will. I can tell he's a talented man

[marcvader]

He's shown the ability to be diverse in his approaches.

[Punisher_MAX]

Silvestri is very good in terms of adapting his style to what the move needs from him.

[Gunga Diner]

I can live with it. I liked that each Marvel Studios movie had its own sound, and continuing that with "The Avengers" was equally important to me because as a meshing of characters we already know, the sound that unified them had to be new. It couldn't play favorites toward one of the team members.

I like Silvestri's style more for a Captain America solo movie- heroic, uncomplicated, old-fashioned, action-centric, brassy, loud. What The Avengers will sound like will be interesting, I certainly hope they don't make it overly "modern." What this DOES mean is that the score will feature a continuation of Captain America's theme.

But damn, his hero themes are like nothing you've heard. Other than maybe Williams, Goldsmith, or Elfman, who better to score a superhero movie?

[flickchick85]

Damn it, I really wanted Michael Giacchino for this.
Ditto. I don't like Giacchino for every superhero project out there like some seem to, but I thought this was the perfect project for him.

I remain cautiously optimistic with Silvestri - I loved his Cap score and general old-school scores, but I haven't really cared for his more "modernized" scores (Van Helsing, The A-Team, G.I. Joe), and Cap's sound wouldn't fit with this movie, so...just hoping for the best. I will say we certainly could have done worse.

[TheVileOne]

I'm also disappointed they didn't get Giacchino. That being said, Silvestri is a decent choice and he did better music for Cap than the other Marvel movies previously. I hope he at least attempts to work in some of Cap's theme from TFA in there. That would be cool.

I just hope Whedon lets Silvestri run wild and make something big.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Also everyone, keep in mind that Silvestri scoring The Avengers is only a rumor at this point in time. We won't know for sure until it's officially confirmed.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I can live with it. I liked that each Marvel Studios movie had its own sound, and continuing that with "The Avengers" was equally important to me because as a meshing of characters we already know, the sound that unified them had to be new. It couldn't play favorites toward one of the team members.

I like Silvestri's style more for a Captain America solo movie- heroic, uncomplicated, old-fashioned, action-centric, brassy, loud. What The Avengers will sound like will be interesting, I certainly hope they don't make it overly "modern." What this DOES mean is that the score will feature a continuation of Captain America's theme.

But damn, his hero themes are like nothing you've heard. Other than maybe Williams, Goldsmith, or Elfman, who better to score a superhero movie?

Michael Giacchino. :woot:

[mclay18]

Also everyone, keep in mind that Silvestri scoring The Avengers is only a rumor at this point in time. We won't know for sure until it's officially confirmed.

If it's from FSM Online (and indicated on the "Assignments" page as one user mentioned), then the rumor is most definitely true. The thing is, FSM Online requires a paid subscription... and I don't have one.

But I have no reason to believe it's fake.

I hope he at least attempts to work in some of Cap's theme from TFA in there. That would be cool.

I just hope Whedon lets Silvestri run wild and make something big.

Why would Silvestri be barred from re-using his own TFA theme in The Avengers? What the question should be is whether he'll reference Doyle's Thor theme or any of the thematic material Debney or Djawadi wrote for IM. (Silvestri isn't averse to referencing or incorporating other music into his scores either.)

And Whedon does tend to let his composers go wild. The composers that worked with him on Buffy did some incredible and 'big' music -- but the more dramatic and emotional scenes were extremely well-scored. Even Serenity went big with the music in spots.

[TheVileOne]

Why would Silvestri be barred from re-using his own TFA theme in The Avengers? What the question should be is whether he'll reference Doyle's Thor theme or any of the thematic material Debney or Djawadi wrote for IM. (Silvestri isn't averse to referencing or incorporating other music into his scores either.)

I don't know mclay18. I'm not sure what Whedon is looking for and what he will want Silvestri to do with it. Or if Silvestri would even want to re-use some of his Captain America themes as well which I think would be smart.

I think he should try and reference the other themes and sort of bring it all together. The problem is the other movies didn't really have big powerful themes to begin with unlike Cap.

[Gunga Diner]

I don't know mclay18. I'm not sure what Whedon is looking for and what he will want Silvestri to do with it. Or if Silvestri would even want to re-use some of his Captain America themes as well which I think would be smart.

I think he should try and reference the other themes and sort of bring it all together. The problem is the other movies didn't really have big powerful themes to begin with unlike Cap.

Silvestri would be a moron not to continue to build on his Captain America theme, but he's in a tricky position there, because you can't treat this like a Captain America sequel. Will he incorporate the themes written by the previous composers? I used to rule it out, but I also ruled out Silvestri scoring the film.

I can't wait to hear what he comes up with for the Skrulls.

[ThePowerCosmic]

That's one of the reasons why I don't want Silvestri or any other previous MCU film composer on this movie. I don't think that Cap's theme should be worked into the score because the movie isn't about just him. I also don't want any of the other characters' themes to be in the score, it needs to be something unique, new, and separate from the solo MCU films. Something for The Avengers as a team. This movie is bigger than any of them and their solo adventures, so the score should reflect that without giving any heroes the spotlight. Needs to be its own thing.

[Adamantium Man]

That's one of the reasons why I don't want Silvestri or any other previous MCU film composer on this movie. I don't think that Cap's theme should be worked into the score because the movie isn't about just him. I also don't want any of the other characters' themes to be in the score, it needs to be something unique, new, and separate from the solo MCU films. Something for The Avengers as a team. This movie is bigger than any of them and their solo adventures, so the score should reflect that without giving any heroes the spotlight. Needs to be its own thing.

No reason why you can't have a unique score and the individual heroes' themes. What's wrong with having an epic battle with scored with team theme (or a conflict/fight theme), and then a few bars of the Cap theme as Cap is highlighted during a fight, maybe coming in to save the day? Or Thor? I get goosebumps just imagining it.

[cherokeesam]

Silvestri would be a moron not to continue to build on his Captain America theme, but he's in a tricky position there, because you can't treat this like a Captain America sequel. Will he incorporate the themes written by the previous composers? I used to rule it out, but I also ruled out Silvestri scoring the film.

I can't wait to hear what he comes up with for the Skrulls.

What Skrulls....?:huh:

[ddddeeee]

Thor and Cap are the only ones with themes likely to stay on anyway. Debney's IM theme was played a whopping one time in IM2 and I really doubt they'll be pushing any of Armstrong's IH score.

[xeno000]

I don't know mclay18. I'm not sure what Whedon is looking for and what he will want Silvestri to do with it. Or if Silvestri would even want to re-use some of his Captain America themes as well which I think would be smart.

I think he should try and reference the other themes and sort of bring it all together. The problem is the other movies didn't really have big powerful themes to begin with unlike Cap.

The lack of powerful themes for each superhero was the glaring weakness of four of the five Marvel movie scores. With the exception of CA:TFA, the composers neglected to give the heroes sweeping thematic music that the viewer could easily identify with them. It would be great if Silvestri gave each character a distinctive theme that is as impressive as the one he wrote for Cap.

[Bim]

No reason why you can't have a unique score and the individual heroes' themes. What's wrong with having an epic battle with scored with team theme (or a conflict/fight theme), and then a few bars of the Cap theme as Cap is highlighted during a fight, maybe coming in to save the day? Or Thor? I get goosebumps just imagining it.
Yeah, i like the sound of this :up:

[Gunga Diner]

What Skrulls....?:huh:
Isn't it more or less understood that the Skrulls will be in the movie? I might be wrong, but I got the impression that they were Loki's army.

[Spider-Vader]

Silvestri's score for Cap was appropriately Golden Age and all, and works well in a gee-whiz WWII setting. But Avengers needs to steer clear of that --- I hope Silvestri brings a more modern vibe to this score.

He's a talented man, his theme for Predator sounds nothing like his theme for BTTF or Cap. It fits the movie perfectly.

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Though, I'd assume he'd use the theme he composed for Cap during scenes with Steve in them. Which I'm happy with, since that's my favorite character film theme in a looong time.

[Punisher_MAX]

Cap is my favorite MCU theme but Thor is definitely second. After watching Iron Man last night it was kinda said that there isnt a set theme for him.

[flickchick85]

And Whedon does tend to let his composers go wild. The composers that worked with him on Buffy did some incredible and 'big' music -- but the more dramatic and emotional scenes were extremely well-scored. Even Serenity went big with the music in spots.
This is very true. Here is a clip of music from a Whedon-directed episode of Buffy, a low-budget TV show on a tiny network - and keep in mind, this was before the trend of "cinematic" full-orchestra TV scores like Lost or BSG (it doesn't really get going 'til about a minute in):

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I have no doubt he'll let Silvestri fly with some "big" musical moments.

[Sawyer]

Hell, the music was practically the star of "Hush". :up:

[cherokeesam]

Isn't it more or less understood that the Skrulls will be in the movie? I might be wrong, but I got the impression that they were Loki's army.


Skrulls have been vehemently denied time and again by "those in the know" on all the websites and blogs and forums, including this one. (Whether or not those "in the know" actually know their butts from a hole in the ground remains to be seen.)

[Godzilla2000]

Here's an awesome Monster Hunter song to use for inspiration for...something I guess.

Lao Shan Lung Theme
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Shen Gaoren Theme
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[DyeLorean]

If Alan Silvestri gets the job, I hope they pay him enough so he can create some of the best piece of music for this type of film. The movie deserves to have an excellent soundtrack just like other classic adventure films.

[Dark Raven]

If Alan Silvestri gets the job, I hope they pay him enough so he can create some of the best piece of music for this type of film. The movie deserves to have an excellent soundtrack just like other classic adventure films.

The Avengers theme shouldn't just be good or catchy. This movie needs practically a Magnificent Seven-type instantly recognisable and iconic theme tune that will be remembered long after this movie has faded into history.

People know the Superman theme immediately even if they've never watched that old film. Even when it's used in other contexts, eg Seinfeld or other shows, everyone knows what it is, and what it signifies. I don't think any of the Marvel movies, even something like the Spider-Man trilogy, has that level of recognisability.

The Avengers should be so recognisable that it could be a ringtone on a cell phone and everyone would know what it is from just its first few bars.

[Punisher_MAX]

The Avengers theme shouldn't just be good or catchy. This movie needs practically a Magnificent Seven-type instantly recognisable and iconic theme tune that will be remembered long after this movie has faded into history.

People know the Superman theme immediately even if they've never watched that old film. Even when it's used in other contexts, eg Seinfeld or other shows, everyone knows what it is, and what it signifies. I don't think any of the Marvel movies, even something like the Spider-Man trilogy, has that level of recognisability.

The Avengers should be so recognisable that it could be a ringtone on a cell phone and everyone would know what it is from just its first few bars.

Cap's theme is pretty iconic and memorable. if anything of all the MCU movies its the one that sticks out and is up there with other famous themes.

[Mjölnir]

The only movie that had music I could hum to a day after I saw it was Thor. That doesn't mean that the others necessarily were worse on that point but not as memorable for me.

[Dark Raven]

Cap's theme is pretty iconic and memorable. if anything of all the MCU movies its the one that sticks out and is up there with other famous themes.

I'd say it's about as memorable as Supergirl (which was pretty good and by Jerry Goldsmith who was one of my favourite composers),

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or even Star Trek Generations:

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However it's nowhere near as iconic and instantly recognisable as something like Superman, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Star Trek the Motion Picture, or Back To the Future. Those are on another level. That's the level that the Avengers theme composer needs to strive for.

[Dark Raven]

If Silvestri is scoring and incorporates other people's scores, I hope that he uses Joe Harnell's Lonely Man theme from the Incredible Hulk. However, I also hope he uses the "Growing Anger" theme from the series which was just as iconic and memorable, and probably the best representation of the suspenseful build up to the transformation.

If people don't know it off hand, you will when you hear it:

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[ddddeeee]

The only movie that had music I could hum to a day after I saw it was Thor. That doesn't mean that the others necessarily were worse on that point but not as memorable for me.

That's probably because Thor's theme actually went somewhere. Cap's was heroic and, um heroic. Thor's could be weighty for the drama, romantic, heroic, sad... Thor's theme followed the character for every beat of the movie. Then the brother's theme is probably even more impressive, just compare the rendition when Thor and friends cross Bifrost to the take when Loki crosses it alone and the theme is quite literally destroyed, only to be fragmented by piano after Loki lets go. Not even mentioning that gorgeous Odin/Family angst theme for the Banishment, the scene in the vault etc.

I know everyone is hung up on Cap's theme but the applicaton of the themes in Thor completely destroys it IMO. Doyle doesn't get half the credit he deserves.

[Spider-Vader]

Cap is my favorite MCU theme but Thor is definitely second. After watching Iron Man last night it was kinda said that there isnt a set theme for him.

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This was the theme of the first movie, but it was sadly abandoned in the second one. I actually really like it, the Cap theme, Doc Ock theme & this song are the only really memorable themes in the Marvel movies IMO.

[Godzilla2000]

I'm telling you I just can't get enough of Shen Gaoren's them right now. Hey, if my choices can't inspire then they really need to make a Monster Hunter live action movie that features some of the memorable songs from the games.

[Elevator Man]

That's probably because Thor's theme actually went somewhere. Cap's was heroic and, um heroic. Thor's could be weighty for the drama, romantic, heroic, sad... Thor's theme followed the character for every beat of the movie. Then the brother's theme is probably even more impressive, just compare the rendition when Thor and friends cross Bifrost to the take when Loki crosses it alone and the theme is quite literally destroyed, only to be fragmented by piano after Loki lets go. Not even mentioning that gorgeous Odin/Family angst theme for the Banishment, the scene in the vault etc.

I know everyone is hung up on Cap's theme but the applicaton of the themes in Thor completely destroys it IMO. Doyle doesn't get half the credit he deserves.

I agree. Silvestri couldn't turn the theme inside and out and on it's head. Or show that the theme can do many things. It was played mostly the same way. It really only captures Cap's heroic side. It's a good theme. But you can't do much with it, imo.


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This was the theme of the first movie, but it was sadly abandoned in the second one. I actually really like it, the Cap theme, Doc Ock theme & this song are the only really memorable themes in the Marvel movies IMO.

Glad to see someone else who appreciates Elfman's Doc Ock theme. One of the best villain themes in a CBM, imo. Waaaaaay better than Zimmer's one note Joker theme. I wish Silvestri would've came up with a strong villain theme for Red Skull. B/c I don't think he even had one in CA:TFA. Hopefully the villain(s) in Avengers will have a memorable and threatening theme.

[Spider-Vader]

It's really the only Spider-Man movie theme I liked, the Black Suit theme was cool though.

[flickchick85]

Heh, my favorite theme from the Spidey movies was the Green Goblin theme. I could almost imagine that theme sounding right at home in an old Hitchcock movie or something.

[Elevator Man]

If it's true that Silvestri is on board for this . I hope he tries harder with the themes for this one. B/c Red Skull (even Hydra) didn't have a haunting or threatening theme (or a theme at all) in CA:TFA. IMO Red Skull and Hydra both deserve a theme in the vein of Vader's and the Imperial March. It's a shame. Especially if the Red Skull returns for future Cap. movies. We need a theme to associate him with, imo. Hopefully for the Avengers score the villain(s) will have a strong and menacing theme I can associate 'em with. And hopefully none of that one note rubbish either.

[Zap]

I for one am quite happy that Silvestri is back. Though I do hope he will acknowledge the previous scores in some way, which would be a tremendous way to tie all the movies together. People don't realize how much the score can affect the movie, and nowadays, a lot of scores are better than the actual movie! If the trailer is any indication, this movie is gonna be epic, and hopefully Silvestri will double the effect with his grand instrumental interpretation.

[Gunga Diner]

This is a decision I've become progressively more comfortable with. Silvestri is probably my favorite composers of any of the people who have scored MCU movies. I can't wait to see what he comes up with for Hulk.

[Doctor Jones]

Wait, where is it confirmed Silverstri is doing this?

[Elevator Man]

Wait, where is it confirmed Silverstri is doing this?

Read the first comment in the link below. But it's still just a rumor though.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=82963&forumID=1&archive=0

[ThePowerCosmic]

Michael... Giacchino.

[Sawyer]

Not... gonna happen.


Most likely. :o

[Rongxin]

http://www.alansilvestri.com/Alan_Silvestri/Filmography.html

[RealIrOnMaN]

Cool. Loved his score on Cap.

[Son of Coul]

Awesome, Cap's score was my favorite of all the MCU ones so far (only one on my iPod), though I hope this one is almost nothing like it. Cap was different nostalgic, traditional style. The Avengers will be its own beast.

[Elevator Man]

Read the first comment in the link below. But it's still just a rumor though.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=82963&forumID=1&archive=0

Well it's not a rumor any more. It's official. The Avengers movie website even has his name with the cast.


http://filmmusicreporter.com/2011/11/04/alan-silvestri-confirmed-to-score-the-avengers/

Well I hope he's more inspired for The Avengers than he was for Cap. Don't get me wrong his Cap score was good. Just nothing special and could've been better, imo. It is one of his better scores in the last few years. I'll take it over the Iron Man scores (thus far), Armstrong's TIH score, JNH's GL score, Jackman's XM:First Class score, Gregson-Williams' XM Origins: Wolverine score, and of course Zimmer and Howards' Batman scores (thus far) imo. So hopefuly Silvestri will write something that isn't typical of him. Unlike GIJOE and A-team.

[CelticPredator]

if Silvestri is the composer...

JESUS ****ING CHRIST! HELL YES! YES YES YES!!!

He's my all time favorite. No one busts a theme out like Silvestri. Except maybe 80's Williams.

[Elevator Man]

He's my all time favorite. No one busts a theme out like Silvestri. Except maybe 80's Williams.

True. But imo nobody writes action cues quite like Silvestri especially during the mid 80s - mid 00s.

[mclay18]

if Silvestri is the composer...

JESUS ****ING CHRIST! HELL YES! YES YES YES!!!


He is. He'll definitely re-use his Captain America theme if the producers and Whedon ask him to.

[CelticPredator]

Well hell yeah. This movie is looking so perfect right now.

[Sharkboy]

Michael... Giacchino.

Now THAT is who they should have got. Shame.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Now THAT is who they should have got. Shame.

:up:Agreed. Oh well, there's always the chance for sequels.

[Sawyer]

Silvestri is great, but it would've been something if Joss had been able to use one of his own...
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Just beautiful.

[MahvelBaby!]

Bumping for eventual relevance :D

You guys think the Cap theme will return since Silvestri is at the helm? I'd hope so even if it does kinda show favoritism. lol :p

[ddddeeee]

Cap's surely will but I seriously doubt that any other character themes will show up.

[MahvelBaby!]

Can't wait to hear "The Avengers" Theme :D

[The Watcher]

Just a bump after a recent tweet from a guy whose friend saw a pre-screening of The Avengers.

Twit Ter @CBMWatch (https://twitter.com/#%21/CBMWatch) RE: Apparently #TheAvengers (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23TheAvengers) pre-screening was missing a lot of musical score and CG on some were not yet cleaned. But wow still awesome!!

[TheVileOne]

Bumping for eventual relevance :D

You guys think the Cap theme will return since Silvestri is at the helm? I'd hope so even if it does kinda show favoritism. lol :p

I really hope Silvestri does this.