The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread

[Gianakin_]

I think it's because as a literary character, Superman has the way huger and farther reaching influence than Gandalf. Hell, before the LOTR movies Gandalf was known pretty much to geek culture or those who read it in Lit.

Still doesn't make me lose my credibility. There's a reason why LotR was proclaimed the best novel of the previous century. The reason is not Gandalf alone, but still, to me, Gandalf is more important.

[Gianakin_]

I have to disagree.

When a character's death causes people who've never read comics to line up at comic shops, news shows to do headline reports AT local comic stores, New York Times columnists to write editorials about what his death means to heroes, social mores, and cultural principles, you're a pretty freakin' important character.

Superman defined a generation of America -- his shield and character are recognized the world over. You see people in Britain, Korea, and India wearing the shield on t-shirts.

That Gianakin_ thinks Gandalf is more important of a literary character is downright laughable.

Superman was used as a vehicle to motivate Americans through times of war and the great depression. He's not just an American icon, but an international symbol of what freedom, truth, and justice mean. He's also what many outside the US see as representing American values.

I really recommend you read Tom De Haven's new book, "Our Hero: Superman." It gets at the question of why Superman has endured over the years and why he is such a pivotal character and symbol the world over.

So he's more recognizable. And his impact on culture is bigger. But as characters, written on paper and on film (though I hate the LotR trilogy), Gandalf is far superior, imo.

Plus, I don't know if bringing in his influence in America has too much merit, since not every country shares the same view about Superman. So, if he's "given" hope to the Americans, he's also "given"... well, not as positive inspirations across the rest of the world. It's a double edged sword, this infuence of his. And by no means do I want to start a political discussion.

And take it easy with the attitude. I don't find your opinion laughable, just because we disagree.

[elgaz]

No way, both Hammer and Joe Manganiello are the same height for one, and Joe has about the perfect build for Superman.

He has the kind of build that looks very muscular shirtless, or in tight clothing, but completely hides in regular clothes.

Off hand, I think both are likely only 6'3", even though listed at 6'5", as most actors heights are inflated by about 2", or the height they are in shoes, and rounded up to the nearest inch.

Anyway, as for what Joe Manganiello looks like shirtless (also in skin tight clothes), vs. in a suit.

You can dislike his face/nose acting whatever all you want, but the guy DOES have the best frame and build for both Clark and Superman out of all who have been mentioned.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg

In Manganiello's case, I think he actually is 6"5. Here's a pic of him with John Cena who's a solid 6"1, and Joe is a fair bit bigger than him

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/72/l_5e5f3f313881eca4abf5d11c43afb214.jpg

.... .and also with Triple H who's commonly listed between 6"2 and 6"3. Again Joe has a few inches on him.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/l_da6b23989cd7a0b23534ce47ff1cf9f1.jpg

A lot of people say height isn't important for Superman but I think it's a big factor. He's got to stand out as Superman and his mere presence should be an event - he's nearly a god for crying out loud. I just don't see how a 6" or under actor will stand out from the crowd unless lifts are used, which will then look silly as he'll still have the frame and build of a 6" person.

Regardless of this I agree fully with you SuperMike, Manganiello has the absolutely perfect build for Superman - broad and powerful looking, but easily hidden in clothes. He doesn't look like an oversized wrestler in a suit.

Still my top choice, especially after seeing him on True Blood - no complaints about his acting at all.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/120/l_fb8c93b4542f4cf3ac198ca118e8d292.jpg

[SuperDaniel]

To say Gandalf is more important than Superman as a character is laughable, imo. My father never read comics but he knows Superman a lot and what he stands for and his importance. Gandalf WHO?

[Gianakin_]

To say Gandalf is more important than Superman as a character is laughable, imo. My father never read comics but he knows Superman a lot and what he stands for and his importance. Gandalf WHO?

Look, if you can't understand what I'm saying and your only argument is that it's laughable what I think, I really can't go on. I'll just say this: recognition is not importance. And importance does not mean importance in our lives and reality.

[Blackman]

To say Gandalf is more important than Superman as a character is laughable, imo. My father never read comics but he knows Superman a lot and what he stands for and his importance. Gandalf WHO?
Yeah I love the LOTR films and Gandalf. But hes nowhere on the level of Superman. LOTR it self isnt even

[LadyVader]

Look, if you can't understand what I'm saying and your only argument is that it's laughable what I think, I really can't go on. I'll just say this: recognition is not importance. And importance does not mean importance in our lives and reality.
Can we just agree that you think Gaandalf... is a better written character than Superman and that's it. If he's important, than he's important to you and I say more power to you. But don't say that Gaandalf is more important than Superman on a Superman board, no matter how you may define the word.

It's just in poor taste. And I apologize for butting in. It's just a really peculiar conversation to be having :)

[Gianakin_]

Can we just agree that you think Gaandalf... is a better written character than Superman and that's it. If he's important, than he's important to you and I say more power to you. But don't say that Gaandalf is more important than Superman on a Superman board, no matter how you may define the word.

It's just in poor taste. And I apologize for butting in. It's just a really peculiar conversation to be having :)

Fair enough. I should've thought where I was posting first. I just didn't expect the post to be "laughable" and cause me to "lose credibility".

Anyway, my original point was: Imo, if my favorite character was portrayed WELL by a homosexual actor, I wouldn't care.

[Superark]

Bomer is awesome in White Collar. Check it out if you got time.

His build is too small for the role of Supes and Im not talking about height. Hes got a slim frame that even if you built muscle, hed still look undersized especially compared to the frames of Welling and Routh.

Bomer is an excellent actor on White Collar, but he just is way too small of a guy for Superman. Too short, not enough of a big frame.

Contrary to popular belief around here, not everyone can just "bulk up." Trust me I work in a gym and personal train.

[Blackman]

Ive said it many times before Superman and Thor are the only 2 characters I care about height for. Supes is always towering over everyone else or at least most everyone so I think you need to have Supes at least 6'3 if they can.

I love Bomer in White Collar, but yeah he's too small. Actually something that made me laugh is one time in White Collar they described his character as 6 foot. That just made me chuckle with all this height talk.

[LadyVader]

Fair enough. I should've thought where I was posting first. I just didn't expect the post to be "laughable" and cause me to "lose credibility".

Anyway, my original point was: Imo, if my favorite character was portrayed WELL by a homosexual actor, I wouldn't care.

The difference is that Gaandalf, to my knowledge (cause I've only seen the movies, I haven't read the books), has no major romantic interest in his story. Superman does and it's a female. Just saying...

[Gianakin_]

The difference is that Gaandalf, to my knowledge (cause I've only seen the movies, I haven't read the books), has no major romantic interest in his story. Superman does and it's a female. Just saying...

So would that change anything to you, if he could do it convincingly?

[Crazymaverick]

Getting back to the topic of casting in the Superman casting thread, I went back quite a few pages and honestly, it looks like most of us like Joe Manganiello or Jon Hamm.

Personally I vote for Joe.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I like Jon Hamm, but I'd prefer him as a replacement for Bruce Wayne/Batman.
Age and size won't be a problem then.
Joe Manganiello could play a nice, well, Spartan in a 300 sequel/prequel.
Or a Gladiator tv spin-off. Maybe the Spartacus sequel.

[Mostpowerful]

Yes, I agree with what Antonello said.

I like Bomer a lot, good actor and classically handsome, but he still looks so young and worse, he's TOO small.

Manginello. I just don't see Superman in his face at all. He comes off like a villain. He's just has a creepy vibe.

Hamm, yeah, he screams Bruce Wayne, and he could even make a good Lex.

[SatEL]

Yes, I agree with what Antonello said.

I like Bomer a lot, good actor and classically handsome, but he still looks so young and worse, he's TOO small.

Manginello. I just don't see Superman in his face at all. He comes off like a villain. He's just has a creepy vibe.

Hamm, yeah, he screams Bruce Wayne, and he could even make a good Lex.

Far from it, you should check out True Blood he can play a good caring guy convincingly. I do agree though that he doesn’t look a thing like Superman great body and height but that’s as far as it goes.

[Slugster]

NO DROOPY EYED POINTED NOSE MOBSTER LOOKING SUPERMAN! PERIOD!!!! :p

[batman_1989_]

I like Jon Hamm, but I'd prefer him as a replacement for Bruce Wayne/Batman.
Age and size won't be a problem then.


Agreed.

[Eze]

NO DROOPY EYED POINTED NOSE MOBSTER LOOKING SUPERMAN! PERIOD!!!! :p

this.

Joe is too Jersey Shore to be Superman, fugeddaboutit. Besides, he's a model/actor wannabe who cannot carry a feature film any better than Routh could.

Actor first, look alike second. Haven't we learned from SR?

[flickchick85]

I just like Manganiello's nice guy vibe so much on True Blood. He definitely projects Clark Kent qualities in that, imo, if Clark Kent were southern (and a werewolf). He's strong, modest, nice, caring, protective (while not possessively so), and in many instances the voice of reason - just an all-around good guy. And he plays that role perfectly, imo. I can see how those who only know him as Flash Thompson-eque characters and just in old pictures would say he has a Jersey Shore vibe, but I don't know how they could say that about his work on True Blood AT ALL.

[romeogbs19]

Far from it, you should check out True Blood he can play a good caring guy convincingly. I do agree though that [Joe] doesn’t look a thing like Superman great body and height but that’s as far as it goes.

100% agree. He doesn't look like Superman at all. You might as well cast David Boreanaz if you're just arguing whether he can play the "good, caring guy." BTW, for those who can't understand sarcasm, that was sarcasm.

this.

Joe is too Jersey Shore to be Superman, fugeddaboutit. Besides, he's a model/actor wannabe who cannot carry a feature film any better than Routh could.

Actor first, look alike second. Haven't we learned from SR?

^^ Thank you. We need a headline actor who can carry a film this time around.

I've said this before, but those getting all hung up on the physical part of Superman need to get it through their head that Hollywood can buff up whoever gets the part. If, for example, Hamm got the role, he'd have plenty of time to muscle up for the suit. Jackman was hardly the build he was today before he played Wolverine, and the same goes for Ryan Reynolds and Downy, Jr. As for the height issue, a few inches isn't going to matter. Most of the Hollywood leading ladies (and the ones on the Lois Lane thread) aren't as tall as the men suggested here anyways.

BTW, before haters go flaming away I do agree that Joe's got a great build/height combo but there's a whole lot more to Superman than just this. There's charisma, acting, and presence. Joe doesn't have any of these.

And yes, I've watched True Blood and those who are saying Joe is a good actor should go watch some Mad Men. Saying Joe is a good actor is like saying Tom Welling is a fine actor on Smallville.

And no, that's not a compliment.

[solidsnake86]

I wouldn't be surprised if they even looked at some of the actors who tried out for batman begins. I could see jake gyllenhal being up for the role if they wanted to go the more popular actor route. Should be interested what they decide. Was there any truth to the rumour that they would begin casting in a month. I remember reading it somewhere.

[romeogbs19]

I wouldn't be surprised if they even looked at some of the actors who tried out for batman begins. I could see jake gyllenhal being up for the role if they wanted to go the more popular actor route. Should be interested what they decide. Was there any truth to the rumour that they would begin casting in a month. I remember reading it somewhere.

You know, I can see Gyllenhal in this role. I'm not saying he's the best choice but he's certainly got the range, looks great in action sequences, and has a generally positive following.

That said, I think many people would be a tad turned off by him in this role. It would almost assuredly help to stock the theaters with more women.

[solidsnake86]

I know some people's complaints would be he doesn't look like superman but if you ask me I think we need an actor that is somewhat unique instead of finding someone similar to Chris Reeve. Plus he can act which is basically the main problem with a lot of the unknown suggestions.

[batman44]

If i'm not mistaken, Gyllenhaal auditioned for Superman in the past.

[Project862006]

jake is just like levitt just too young looking even tho they are not like 21

[hopefuldreamer]

I know some people's complaints would be he doesn't look like superman but if you ask me I think we need an actor that is somewhat unique instead of finding someone similar to Chris Reeve. Plus he can act which is basically the main problem with a lot of the unknown suggestions.

See I don't particularly like Reeve's Superman/Clark Kent. So his look doesn't factor into it for me. It's hard to explain how my brain decides whether someone looks like Superman to me.

I think it's a bit of this:

1. A square-ish face - Strong Jawline. Nothing round or baby faced or full in the cheeks. Something that expresses strength.
2. A warm smile - This is very important. Combine a strong looking man with a warm smile, and you have a Superman contendant.
3. An attractive face - He has to be hot IMO. And I mean really hot. I mean I want to look at the guy and go 'wow'.

After that comes all the height and muscular requirements which are obvious.

But I'm certainly open to something that isn't Christopher Reeve like. :)

[LadyVader]

So would that change anything to you, if he could do it convincingly?
There's no way of convincing me. If I know an actor is gay, I will not believe in his chemistry with a female. Same goes for straight actors always playing gay characters. I can't watch them kiss on screen. If the actors are gay and playing gay characters I wouldn't have any problem with it. Even though I loved the movie I love you Phillip Morris, I just can't watch Obi Wan and Ace Ventura making out. I'm sorry. So really, the best thing for me would be NOT knowing. I wish I didn't know Neil Patrick Harris was gay, so that I could actually enjoy How I met your Mother. :)

If that makes me a homophobe, than so be it! I'm a homophobe. I got nothing against gays, but I got something against gays acting straight and vice versa.

[Bruce_Begins]

Armie Hammer for Superman.

[Bruce_Begins]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.

[Project862006]

There's no way of convincing me. If I know an actor is gay, I will not believe in his chemistry with a female. Same goes for straight actors always playing gay characters. I can't watch them kiss on screen. If the actors are gay and playing gay characters I wouldn't have any problem with it. Even though I loved the movie I love you Phillip Morris, I just can't watch Obi Wan and Ace Ventura making out. I'm sorry. So really, the best thing for me would be NOT knowing. I wish I didn't know Neil Patrick Harris was gay, so that I could actually enjoy How I met your Mother. :)

If that makes me a homophobe, than so be it! I'm a homophobe. I got nothing against gays, but I got something against gays acting straight and vice versa.

so you did'nt like MILK then?

[LadyVader]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.

I just think they shouldn't give it to the rich kid. :p

[LadyVader]

so you did'nt like MILK then?

Oh I did, but I liked it for its message, not for the romance.

[Eze]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.

I don't get it either, what more could anyone ask?

[Timstuff]

They're not going to cast a gay actor as Superman. It would bring too much negative attention to the project, and Superman needs as much positive buzz is hr can get. It may sound unfair, but that's the world we live in.

Not that it matters, though... The only gay actor who I hear lots of people campaigning for as Superman anyway is Matthew Bomer, and his body is way too small for him to pass as a superhero. Superman needs an athletic frame, and Bomer simply does not have that.

[GinsterHead]

Is Bomer actually gay? I don't seem to recall him ever coming out, or even mentioning it. :huh:

[Project862006]

is'nt tom hardy bisexual what if he were cast as Lex?

[Blackman]

Are we still on the gay thing

[annie.j88]

There's no way of convincing me. If I know an actor is gay, I will not believe in his chemistry with a female. Same goes for straight actors always playing gay characters. I can't watch them kiss on screen. If the actors are gay and playing gay characters I wouldn't have any problem with it. Even though I loved the movie I love you Phillip Morris, I just can't watch Obi Wan and Ace Ventura making out. I'm sorry. So really, the best thing for me would be NOT knowing. I wish I didn't know Neil Patrick Harris was gay, so that I could actually enjoy How I met your Mother. :)

If that makes me a homophobe, than so be it! I'm a homophobe. I got nothing against gays, but I got something against gays acting straight and vice versa.

wow.

[green]

wow.

My sentiments exactly.

Not that it matters, though... The only gay actor who I hear lots of people campaigning for as Superman anyway is Matthew Bomer, and his body is way too small for him to pass as a superhero.

I agree he'll never get it but...I think his body is more than passable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/6a00e54fb7301c88340133f20b3192970b-800wi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/6a00e54fb7301c88340133f20b3165970b-800wi.jpg

[Project862006]

^ his frame is the problem he has a robert downey Jr frame

[RachelDawes]

There's no way of convincing me. If I know an actor is gay, I will not believe in his chemistry with a female. Same goes for straight actors always playing gay characters. I can't watch them kiss on screen. If the actors are gay and playing gay characters I wouldn't have any problem with it. Even though I loved the movie I love you Phillip Morris, I just can't watch Obi Wan and Ace Ventura making out. I'm sorry. So really, the best thing for me would be NOT knowing. I wish I didn't know Neil Patrick Harris was gay, so that I could actually enjoy How I met your Mother. :)

If that makes me a homophobe, than so be it! I'm a homophobe. I got nothing against gays, but I got something against gays acting straight and vice versa.

Acting's always about being something you're not. Do you have a problem with an actor portraying a personality, nationality, or profession he doesn't actually have?

[Blackman]

Nah he doesnt have the right frame
Actors that have the right frame
-Jared Padalecki
-Armie Hammer
-Brandon Routh
-Alexander Skarsgaard
-Tom Welling

Not all of them would be good for Supes but they have the right height and frame

[Timstuff]

^ his frame is the problem he has a robert downey Jr frameYup. He's got very narrow shoulders and a long neck. Having the wrong frame is the difference between looking like Superman and looking like a guy in a Superman costume.

[green]

I really think people are too hung up on body types. Its a movie. He's gonna have a suit on of some sort, there's tricks with cameras for height, and digital for anything you else you can think of. Im more worried about an actor with charisma that can pull of Superman than a dude who's 6'4 and (and insert weight here). You're really narrowing the field of potentials when you limit yourself to those constraints.

[flickchick85]

There's no way of convincing me. If I know an actor is gay, I will not believe in his chemistry with a female. Same goes for straight actors always playing gay characters. I can't watch them kiss on screen. If the actors are gay and playing gay characters I wouldn't have any problem with it. Even though I loved the movie I love you Phillip Morris, I just can't watch Obi Wan and Ace Ventura making out. I'm sorry. So really, the best thing for me would be NOT knowing. I wish I didn't know Neil Patrick Harris was gay, so that I could actually enjoy How I met your Mother. :)

If that makes me a homophobe, than so be it! I'm a homophobe. I got nothing against gays, but I got something against gays acting straight and vice versa.
Wow. Well, at least you admit your homophobia, I guess. They're actors. They're ALWAYS pretending to be something they're not. This is no different.

That said, while I think Matt Bomer has a great face for the role, and I like him as an actor, but I do think he has entirely the wrong build. On White Collar, he just always seems so tiny. I don't think the build should take precedence in the casting decisions at all, but he's not otherwise so perfect for the role that I'd be willing to overlook it.

[SuperMike335!!]

Wow. Well, at least you admit your homophobia, I guess. They're actors. They're ALWAYS pretending to be something they're not. This is no different.

That said, while I think Matt Bomer has a great face for the role, and I like him as an actor, but I do think he has entirely the wrong build. On White Collar, he just always seems so tiny. I don't think the build should take precedence in the casting decisions at all, but he's not otherwise so perfect for the role that I'd be willing to overlook it.




Thats how I see it too. He has that wide doe-eye'd boyish look. Not really rugged and masculine as I would want for the role.

Now if he also happened to be 6'4" and built like Hugh Jackman then I could really get behind Mathew Bomer. (:woot:)

[ChickenScratch]

As great as Boomer is I can't see him in the role and it's specifically because of his small frame. Shoulders not wide enough, neck seems a bit long. It's not as easy as putting someone in a gym. I've got a small frame though I'm tall, I can pack as much muscle on my frame that's possible (naturally) for me and I'll still not even be close in size to someone with a larger frame of the same height putting on the same amount of muscle.

[Daybreak_st]

So at this point is it looking like a big name person will be cast or an unknown? I don't want fan opinion but has anything actually been said by the film makers regarding this?

[elgaz]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.

I think he's very soft faced, which is why I can't see him as Superman despite all his other qualities.

He also reminds me of this guy from Saved By The Bell :dry: .......

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/mark-paul-gosselaar/mark-paul-gosselaar-20080429-406024.jpg

[DCnightwing23]

What about Eric Johnson? He's been in Smallville, Rookie Blue, Flash Gordon, and i think he's gonna be on Supernatural. He's about 6"3 or 6"2. I think he looks like a younger (but blonde) Jon Hamm and he's 31. I think he would be appealing to all those that want Jon Hamm, who imo looks way too old for the superman role.

http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/eric_johnson_02.jpg
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Fi_Fp/flashGordon/season1/flash-gordon24.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_BcAhLr85Pvs/Rqj6lcyfMII/AAAAAAAAKLc/SB1RqMGCE3M/s400/flash1.jpg

[djkris]

Looking this image of Hamm...

http://attheloft.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ecca8b988330133f426d65b970b-450wi

I keep thinking: He doesn't look THAT old when he is on screen or in photoshoots. I mean, if they can make him look like THIS in a photoshoot, how hard is to make him look the same in a movie?

I was not on the Hamm bandwagon, but I did jump on. I can accept many actors for Superman, but if Hamm gets the part, it would be awesome!

[Red Cherry Lips]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.

Word. :up:

[romeogbs19]

Looking this image of Hamm...

http://attheloft.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ecca8b988330133f426d65b970b-450wi

I keep thinking: He doesn't look THAT old when he is on screen or in photoshoots. I mean, if they can make him look like THIS in a photoshoot, how hard is to make him look the same in a movie?

I was not on the Hamm bandwagon, but I did jump on. I can accept many actors for Superman, but if Hamm gets the part, it would be awesome!

Yeah -- I hear the age issue but you're right about the fact that he doesn't look old in photo-shoots.

People here who complain about his age should seriously watch Mad Men -- he doesn't look old at all in that show. He seems to be one of those people who just look young onscreen and in photos.

A director like Snyder will have no problem making Hamm look at least 5 years younger onscreen (and IMHO, he doesn't look 40 at all right now).

[al35077]

Maybe they can give him a digital facelift like they did for Patrick Stewart in XMO: Wolverine

[djkris]

They don't even have to. Proper lighting, make-up, seriously, even if they don't cast Hamm - Hollywood nowadays can make anyone look believable in their roles, if they want to. They cast Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett, Orlando Bloom (a nobody back then) as Elves and we totally accepted them as such, Gary Oldman plays Com. Gordon and you never think he's the same guy from "Leon" or "Harry Potter", they turned Edward Scissorhands into a crazy pirate... Call it "actor's ability" or "Hollywood Magic" or whatever. It can work, if the powers-that-be behind the production have the will and the talent. And I am confident, in this case, they DO!

[Astrodust]

I don't mind Hamm that much but to say he doesn't look at least 40 is silly. He will come across as an older Clark/Superman and there is nothing wrong with that if that is what they are going for. Of all the the potentials listed so far I would say he looks the oldest. However if they want to do a Superman Begins film, they might seek out younger looking actors.

[al35077]

The digital facelift remark was a little joke about how old he is

[Krumm]

I think he's very soft faced, which is why I can't see him as Superman despite all his other qualities.

He also reminds me of this guy from Saved By The Bell :dry: .......

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/mark-paul-gosselaar/mark-paul-gosselaar-20080429-406024.jpg

Honestly Gosselaar has a pretty good look especially for a mature Supes.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc3MTYwMzI4OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODIyOTYwMw@@._ V1._SX640_SY853_.jpg

And if SBTB: The College Years taught us anything it's that he can pack on the muscle. Unfortunately, he may or may not be too known as Zack (to my generation at least) and his acting skills can be called into question -- also he's only 6' for those who care about that.

[Metamorpho1977]

Save Gosselaar for Barry Allen.

Since Zack Snyder is directing, how about getting one of his mainstays for this movie. I'm thinking Gerard Butler for General Zod.

[al35077]

save gosselaar for barry allen.

Since zack snyder is directing, how about getting one of his mainstays for this movie. I'm thinking gerard butler for general zod.


"FOR SPA- er KRYPTON!!!"

[bjt]

Looking this image of Hamm...

http://attheloft.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ecca8b988330133f426d65b970b-450wi

I keep thinking: He doesn't look THAT old when he is on screen or in photoshoots. I mean, if they can make him look like THIS in a photoshoot, how hard is to make him look the same in a movie?

I was not on the Hamm bandwagon, but I did jump on. I can accept many actors for Superman, but if Hamm gets the part, it would be awesome!
This guy is Superman stamped on their forehead!

[The Democrat]

I am all for Jon Hamm as Superman. He's the top choice in my book. I think that a lot of the criticism of his age is unfounded. He's not that old. I mean in the episode where we find out the secret of Don Draper he played himself as a much younger man and it was totally believable. I was surprised that others interpreted his classic non-denial as literal fact especially when considering that it may have been an attempt to simply be realistic. He spent almost his entire career losing roles to other people, like Rob Lowe, who looked similar to him and now he's losing roles to the Sam Worthington and Chris Pines for being too old. I think he knows to be pragmatic and not immediately assume because his name is bandied about that he's got a lock on the role.

[Project862006]

when hamm smiles he looks really old imo

if jon hamm was taller he would be unanimously loved imo

jon hamm is no bigger than bomer

[EliteF50]

I was hoping they'd save Jon Hamm/Zack Snyder for the Batman reboot, but this is the next best thing.

If Routh doesn't return (highly unlikely that he will), Jon should definitely get the role. Screw age. Robery Downey Jr. was older than him when he was cast as Iron Man, no one complained. Besides, I think it's time we got an experienced looking Superman. So far all we've gotten are guys who look like rookie Supermen, not middle-aged veterans. Now I don't have a problem with that, but an older Supes would be a nice change.

[al35077]

Iron man is usaully portrayed as late 30s early 40s anyway though

[SuperZer0]

How about Michael Sheen as General Zod, or one of his creepy associates:

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5808/michaelsheenlg.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0790688/

[al35077]

He looks a little too dorky for me to take serious as Zod

[Project862006]

not too dorky here
http://filesll.fluxstatic.com/00B6B33F01AB277700075BD8FFFF/TN1/Jpg/B-10149/AR590x590,Resize/633751416600000000

[djkris]

This guy is Superman stamped on their forehead!

If the Superman part doesn't work for him in the end, he can always be Roland in "The Dark Tower" adaptation...
http://www.darktowercompendium.com/dt3-09.jpg


Oh, an Michael Sheen as Zod... Interesting call. It could work, the guy is a good actor.

[RachelDawes]

I was hoping they'd save Jon Hamm/Zack Snyder for the Batman reboot, but this is the next best thing.

If Routh doesn't return (highly unlikely that he will), Jon should definitely get the role. Screw age. Robery Downey Jr. was older than him when he was cast as Iron Man, no one complained. Besides, I think it's time we got an experienced looking Superman. So far all we've gotten are guys who look like rookie Supermen, not middle-aged veterans. Now I don't have a problem with that, but an older Supes would be a nice change.

If this is an origin story, we'll need someone who can look like a rookie Superman.

[al35077]

Welling has been doing that for 10 years

[EliteF50]

If this is an origin story, we'll need someone who can look like a rookie Superman.

No it's not. I can't remember where I read it, but Zack or Dave have already said this isn't going to be an origin story. It assumes we already know who everyone is.

[rdh007]

If Hamm really is no taller than Bomer, then just cast Bomer. (Never thought I'd type that after the casting wars)

Hamm looks 40 to me and doesn't show signs of looking any younger.

Michael Sheen as General Zod would probably ooze win.

Watching The Tudors again. Wonder if there's anyone on there that might be the best candidate for Superman? I'd mention names, but I'm pretty certain we can only talk about Hamm(-er) in here now.

[Project862006]

yeah Jon Hamm is 6 ft at the very most he is not a tall guy

[DCnightwing23]

Well thats tall, just not tall enough for superman

[Project862006]

i have always felt he is more suited for frank castle persoanlly he looks like him more

[rdh007]

I'm okay with a 6'0" guy (that's not 40 and only marginally interested in the role) as Superman, but Bomer is 5'9" and if Hamm is that short, I'd say Bomer has a better look, age, and comparable chops. Hamm is on a great show with great writers and that might make me look like I could act.

[al35077]

If Hamm really is no taller than Bomer, then just cast Bomer. (Never thought I'd type that after the casting wars)

Hamm looks 40 to me and doesn't show signs of looking any younger.

Michael Sheen as General Zod would probably ooze win.

Watching The Tudors again. Wonder if there's anyone on there that might be the best candidate for Superman? I'd mention names, but I'm pretty certain we can only talk about Hamm(-er) in here now.

Why? This isn't his thread. You can talk about any actor that might be a candidate here. at least as a far as I know

[rdh007]

I got rebuked the last time I brought up Cavill for Kal-El, but that was before the Snyder/possible Birthright announcement.

[batman44]

Why? This isn't his thread. You can talk about any actor that might be a candidate here. at least as a far as I know

The rules are: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=337724

Love it or hate it, the rules are rules.

[flickchick85]

Hamm is 6'0" (or 6'0.5" according to IMDB), not some 5'11." Definitely taller than Bomer, which is very obvious when you watch their respective shows. Bomer is constantly dwarfed by his co-stars, while Hamm towers over some, and seems average next to others.

[DarkKnight FTW]

I don't know if people realize how short actors are. As long as he's significantly taller than his co-stars then I'm cool with the casting.

[al35077]

The rules are: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=337724

Love it or hate it, the rules are rules.

If i had realized he was talking about cavill i would'nt have said that.

[EliteF50]

Why didn't anyone complain when Bale was cast as Batman? He's only six foot, just like Hamm. Now I know Superman is supposed to be a couple inches taller than Batman, but it's not like the two will ever cross paths in the movie. Besides, how tall is the rest of the cast going to be?

Jon Hamm (6') + Boots = 6'2" Nothing wrong with a six-foot two-inch Superman.

[DCnightwing23]

I don't know if people realize how short actors are. As long as he's significantly taller than his co-stars then I'm cool with the casting.

And i dont know if you realize im not gonna sit through a superman movie when supermans face is digitized to not look like some old dude, or a superman dripping in facial makeup. Why go through all that trouble of doing all of that and worrying about properly lighting supes face when you can get an actor thats better and doesnt look so old. I love Hamm in Mad Men dont get me wrong, but i think we could do better

[Man of Tomorrow]

The last time the studio cast a NEW Superman, they cast a 5'8 guy, DJ Cotrona (Justice League: Mortal).

http://bighead.exteen.com/images/2010/justiceleague/dj_cotrona.jpg

If that is any indication, I don't think WB really cares about height/appearance sadly.

It really comes down to the director. Bryan Singer definitely did. Snyder seems like someone who would, given his focus on the male physique in 300/Watchmen and keeping a good comic/film transition.

[Timstuff]

That project was a disaster. Thank the Lord that it didn't make it out of pre-poduction. Batman would have been almost a full foot taller than Superman! (Armie Hammer is 6' 5") I'm pretty sure common sense will prevail on this production.

[sva]

I really like Hamm, only if they go for an older Superman, obviously.

There was an episode of Mad Men where he did a shirt rip and it was kinda awesome, he did think he was having a heart attack at the time, but still.

I also really love Bomer, I really wanted him for the last movie, even if he is on the short side.

[Dark Knight]

I was hoping they'd save Jon Hamm/Zack Snyder for the Batman reboot, but this is the next best thing.

If Routh doesn't return (highly unlikely that he will), Jon should definitely get the role. Screw age. Robery Downey Jr. was older than him when he was cast as Iron Man, no one complained. Besides, I think it's time we got an experienced looking Superman. So far all we've gotten are guys who look like rookie Supermen, not middle-aged veterans. Now I don't have a problem with that, but an older Supes would be a nice change.






The Hamm is too old silly people....keep avoiding the fact that Keaton was in his mid to late 30's when he was cast as Batman....Downey Jr was older than Hamm is when he was cast as Stark and Jackman is in his 40's and still playing Wolverine.

The Jon Hamm is "too old" to play SuperMAN argument is simply weak and really has no legs.

[Dark Knight]

I don't know why most of people dismiss Armie Hammer, he has the voice, height, good looks (he does not look like a villian.) and most importantly, he can act.





People dismiss him because he is too young and he looks soft.

He still has a lot to prove when it comes to acting as well.

[Sawyer]

I wouldn't be disappointed if the role ended up going to Hammer.

Aside from his ridiculous name, that is.

[Project862006]

all those guys you just name played characters that are older men in the comics

[antsman41]

Yeah, What is wrong with Hamm being Super(MAN)?

All these other choices might as well be for Super(BOY).

[Project862006]

People dismiss him because he is too young and he looks soft.

He still has a lot to prove when it comes to acting as well.
:dry:really?

[Slugster]

I think Hammer would do a good Job as Sups.

[That-Guy]

Hamm Vs. Hammer

It would be funny if it got down to that.

[Dark Knight]

Hugh Jackman is 42 age was not a factor for him
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/stylewatch/gallery/beach_patrol/081027/hugh_jackman300.jpg






Yep. Hamm being 38/39, will not stop him from bulking up and getting in solid Superman shape.

Jackman is just one example.....Downey Jr toned up for Iron Man and Sherlock, and for crying out loud, Sly Stallone is in great shape and he is in his 60's!

Jason Statham is only about a year younger than Hamm and he is in great shape also!

If Hamm were cast as Superman, he would have no problem bulking up and getting in great shape.

The argument that Hamm is too old for the role and will not be able to to get in Superman shape is weak.

[Dark Knight]

:dry:really?






Name some movies or TV shows he received good reviews in besides the overrated Social Network?

[flickchick85]

I agree with DK on Hammer. I liked him in The Social Network, but I've seen him in 3 other TV shows and hated him in all of them. He's far from a sure thing on the acting front, imo.

[I Am The Knight]

I agree with DK on Hammer. I liked him in The Social Network, but I've seen him in 3 other TV shows and hated him in all of them. He's far from a sure thing on the acting front, imo.

Well, I haven't seen The Social Network, but apparently he's great in that. Now, maybe he's that kind of actor who needs a really good director to shine? Fincher got something out of him other directors couldn't. I'm sure there's other things to consider. BTW, I am in no way saying Hammer should be cast.

[Dark Knight]

all those guys you just name played characters that are older men in the comics





That's subjective.

A specific age is rarely defined in comics. Every now and then it is, like in an origin story or like Millers TDKR or in some Elseworlds books, but a specific age is rarely mentioned in regular continuity.

[Dark Knight]

I agree with DK on Hammer. I liked him in The Social Network, but I've seen him in 3 other TV shows and hated him in all of them. He's far from a sure thing on the acting front, imo.





FAR from a sure thing as a lead in a major, epic blockbuster.

If WB's, Nolan and Snyder wanted to play that game again, than they might as well just stick with Routh as Superman....and they are not.

It seems they don't want to go the route of casting a young unknown, inexperienced actor as the lead in this next Supes film.

[Project862006]

an jackman looks imposing because he is like 6'3

but as i expected this thread once again went to not manly enough debate

newsflash - you dont have to be 40 to be manly

[Sub-Zero]

Yep. Hamm being 38/39, will not stop him from bulking up and getting in solid Superman shape.

Jackman is just one example.....Downey Jr toned up for Iron Man and Sherlock, and for crying out loud, Sly Stallone is in great shape and he is in his 60's!

Jason Statham is only about a year younger than Hamm and he is in great shape also!

If Hamm were cast as Superman, he would have no problem bulking up and getting in great shape.

The argument that Hamm is too old for the role and will not be able to to get in Superman shape is weak.

who knew that was the argument? i thought it was just because hamm looks like a guy who's smoked 500 cigarettes in 1 hour. he may be able to bulk up, but the guy has an old face. i can see him as the alex ross version of bruce wayne, or the kingdom come superman, but no way in hell he should be a superman that's just starting out in a birthright/superman begins type movie.

[Dark Knight]

This guy below hits on all points as to why Jon Hamm would be a great choice if he were to be cast as SuperMAN:

http://screenrant.com/superman-jon-hamm-kofi-78122/

[Dark Knight]

an jackman looks imposing because he is like 6'3

but as i expected this thread once again went to not manly enough debate

newsflash - you dont have to be 40 to be manly






Newsflash: :doh:

[flickchick85]

Well, I haven't seen The Social Network, but apparently he's great in that. Now, maybe he's that kind of actor who needs a really good director to shine? Fincher got something out of him other directors couldn't. I'm sure there's other things to consider. BTW, I am in no way saying Hammer should be cast.
I agree, which is why I said he was far from a sure thing, but didn't say he couldn't act. I think The Social Network proves he can act, but like you said, he needs the right director. For example, I'm sure Fincher giving him 90 takes to get it right was a contributor to his improved performance. But Zack Snyder is a terrible director of actors, imo, so we'll need someone who can deliver solid performances under less-than-stellar direction. Based on what I've seen from him, Hammer isn't that guy.

And I still don't think he looks the part at all. :oldrazz:

[Project862006]

how is he a bad director for actors malin ackerman is the only bad performance he has had in his films and she was'nt even that bad just not as good as her co stars

JEH
Crudup
Morgan
Wilson
Butler

all gave good performances for their character

especially JEH who was just as good a Heath's Joker

and Chris Nolan directed Katie Holmes to a bad performance as well

[echostation]

NO Jon Hamm please

Clark doesn't leave smallville when he's like in his 40s... the whole movie is based on the idea of Clark being young and exploring the idea of being Superman

[LadyVader]

Acting's always about being something you're not. Do you have a problem with an actor portraying a personality, nationality, or profession he doesn't actually have?

Nooo, of course not. But romance is different, romance appeals to another part of your brain entirely.

Like I said, I have no problem with Ian Mckellen playing Magneto or Gandalf, who are straight characters, but they don't have a female romantic interest in their movies. If they would, I would simply not believe it. I wouldn't be engaged in that particular narative, because I know the actor is gay. It would be the same for Superman, in my case anyway. Yes, there might be something wrong with me, that there's simply a switch in my brain I can't turn off when watching a movie. But it is what it is.

[Eze]

This guy below hits on all points as to why Jon Hamm would be a great choice if he were to be cast as SuperMAN:

http://screenrant.com/superman-jon-hamm-kofi-78122/

Nice read, couldn't agree more.

I'd settle for Hammer, but I'd prefer maturity over resemblance.

[Man of Tomorrow]

IMO personally, going for a 5"11 Superman is not acceptable.


Andrew Garfield (Spider-Man) Chris Evans (Capt America) and Christian Bale (Batman) are 6"0.

Ryan Reynolds (Green Lantern) is 6"2.

Chris Hemsworth (Thor) is 6"3.

And even though his height is off for the character, Hugh Jackman (who is likely to continue in the Darren Aronofsky sequel) is 6"2 for Wolverine as well.


The Superman role is a largely physical one, that is why it always goes to unknowns.

[Eze]

IMO personally, going for a 5"11 Superman is not acceptable.


Andrew Garfield (Spider-Man) Chris Evans (Capt America) and Christian Bale (Batman) are 6"0.

Ryan Reynolds (Green Lantern) is 6"2.

Chris Hemsworth (Thor) is 6"3.

And even though his height is off for the character, Hugh Jackman (who is likely to continue in the Darren Aronofsky sequel) is 6"2 for Wolverine as well.


The Superman role is a largely physical one, that is why it always goes to unknowns.

6'0" is ok, but 5'11" is fail?

Anyways...look at the bright side, a 5'11" Clark Kent wont be as insulting to your intelligence as the 6'4", 230 lb eyesore in the office.

Where's that old Rock sketch from SNL years ago...

[Maze]

Vincent Kartheiser height — 5' 11"

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/80893650.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54809AE77CCD112AC94 F2CB619F8E193FE6C287139834EC7CE1

[Maze]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/199533/BEN-AFFLECK-THE-TOWN.jpg

Ben Affleck? Well according to numerous sources he stands around 6'2.

Jeremy Renner height — 5' 10"

[Maze]

rebecca hall ""When I was 22, I thought I couldn't wear heels because of my height. I'm 5'10". I just finished filming The Town with Ben Affleck. My whole career I've been crouching in flats. But this movie had a bunch of giants - both Ben and Jon Hamm are very tall"

http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/celebrities/interviews/rebecca-hall-quotes

[djkris]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/199533/BEN-AFFLECK-THE-TOWN.jpg

You realize that this is a pic of Daredevil, Hawkeye and (possibly/hopefully) Superman! :cwink:

[That person]

Name some movies or TV shows he received good reviews in besides the overrated Social Network?
The Social Network has been his biggest role so far, aside from a poorly constructed Billy Graham biopic. Even in that, the reviews I read spoke well of his performance, if nothing else. His Arrested Development cameo was also pretty good.
Nooo, of course not. But romance is different, romance appeals to another part of your brain entirely.

Like I said, I have no problem with Ian Mckellen playing Magneto or Gandalf, who are straight characters, but they don't have a female romantic interest in their movies. If they would, I would simply not believe it. I wouldn't be engaged in that particular narative, because I know the actor is gay. It would be the same for Superman, in my case anyway. Yes, there might be something wrong with me, that there's simply a switch in my brain I can't turn off when watching a movie. But it is what it is.
So you took issue when Sean Penn portrayed Harvey Milk?

[LadyVader]

Once again, I only have a problem believing a romantic relationship when the sexuality of the actors is something other than what that particular romantic relationship implies. So I have no problem with Sean Penn playing Harvey Milk. I just wasn't interested in the romantic aspect of the movie, namely the relationship between Harvey Milk and James Franco's character, because I know the actors are straight. Same with Brokeback Mountain, I love you Phillip Morris (which i really liked by the way). And I don't buy into Barney Stinson as a womanizer on How I met your mother, because I know NPH is gay.

That is why I personally don't want a gay actor for Superman, for no other reason than I will not believe in his love and attraction for Lois. But this is as we say in Romania just "piticul meu de pe creier" (my midget on the brain), and if I am a homophobe because of this... then that is my problem to work through.

[EliteF50]

I agree, which is why I said he was far from a sure thing, but didn't say he couldn't act. I think The Social Network proves he can act, but like you said, he needs the right director. For example, I'm sure Fincher giving him 90 takes to get it right was a contributor to his improved performance. But Zack Snyder is a terrible director of actors, imo, so we'll need someone who can deliver solid performances under less-than-stellar direction. Based on what I've seen from him, Hammer isn't that guy.

And I still don't think he looks the part at all. :oldrazz:

You've obviously never seen a Snyder film. He's known for getting great performances out of his actors!

If you've ever seen Watchmen, you'll know that Jackie Earle Haley played the part of Rorschach better than Heath played Joker.

[Gianakin_]

If you've ever seen Watchmen, you'll know that Jackie Earle Haley played the part of Rorschach better than Heath played Joker.

He won't "know" it, because it's not a fact. I absolutely loved JEH as Rorschach, but not as much as Ledger as Joker.

[C. Lee]

Nooo, of course not. But romance is different, romance appeals to another part of your brain entirely.

Like I said, I have no problem with Ian Mckellen playing Magneto or Gandalf, who are straight characters, but they don't have a female romantic interest in their movies. If they would, I would simply not believe it. I wouldn't be engaged in that particular narative, because I know the actor is gay. It would be the same for Superman, in my case anyway. Yes, there might be something wrong with me, that there's simply a switch in my brain I can't turn off when watching a movie. But it is what it is.

Do you have a problem watching Leonard Nimoy as Spock...because you know, he isn't actually an alien.

Do you have a problem watching Michael C. Hall as Dexter....because you know, he isn't actually a serial killer.

Do you have a problem watching Christian Bale as Batman...because you know, he isn't actually Bruce Wayne.

[antsman41]

Do you have a problem watching Leonard Nimoy as Spock...because you know, he isn't actually an alien.

Do you have a problem watching Michael C. Hall as Dexter....because you know, he isn't actually a serial killer.

Do you have a problem watching Christian Bale as Batman...because you know, he isn't actually Bruce Wayne.

Christian Bale is Bruce Wayne...

[Blackman]

But Christian Bale is actually Bruce Wayne in real life...:o

[Dark Raven]

"When I was 22, I thought I couldn't wear heels because of my height. I'm 5'10". I just finished filming The Town with Ben Affleck. My whole career I've been crouching in flats. But this movie had a bunch of giants - both Ben and Jon Hamm are very tall"

http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/celebrities/interviews/rebecca-hall-quotes

Damn... I like Rebecca Hall, but she is pretty tall. I didn't realise she was 5'10".

[Antonello Blueberry]

Welling has been doing that for 10 years
Time for retirement?

[Project862006]

He won't "know" it, because it's not a fact. I absolutely loved JEH as Rorschach, but not as much as Ledger as Joker.
i disagree not that he was better but i feel the performance was on par with heath's

which is why the "he cant get a good performance out of his actors" is a bogus statement

[Gianakin_]

i disagree not that he was better but i feel the performance was on par with heath's

which is why the "he cant get a good performance out of his actors" is a bogus statement

Oh, fair enough, I was just saying that it's not a fact that JEH's performance was better than Heath's. JEH was phenomenal and I understand that someone would like him more than Heath. And Snyder does have the ability to get good performances out of his actors.

[I Am The Knight]

I agree, which is why I said he was far from a sure thing, but didn't say he couldn't act. I think The Social Network proves he can act, but like you said, he needs the right director. For example, I'm sure Fincher giving him 90 takes to get it right was a contributor to his improved performance. But Zack Snyder is a terrible director of actors, imo, so we'll need someone who can deliver solid performances under less-than-stellar direction. Based on what I've seen from him, Hammer isn't that guy.

And I still don't think he looks the part at all. :oldrazz:

I hear ya, but I think he has worked fine with great actors and less experienced ones. Snyder, I mean. Maybe he just has a good eye for casting. Anyway, I'm only entertaining Hammer's acting skillzzz becuase I'm terribly curious about anything pertaining to Miller's dead Justice League.

[M.O.Steel]

Once again, I only have a problem believing a romantic relationship when the sexuality of the actors is something other than what that particular romantic relationship implies. So I have no problem with Sean Penn playing Harvey Milk. I just wasn't interested in the romantic aspect of the movie, namely the relationship between Harvey Milk and James Franco's character, because I know the actors are straight. Same with Brokeback Mountain, I love you Phillip Morris (which i really liked by the way). And I don't buy into Barney Stinson as a womanizer on How I met your mother, because I know NPH is gay.

That is why I personally don't want a gay actor for Superman, for no other reason than I will not believe in his love and attraction for Lois. But this is as we say in Romania just "piticul meu de pe creier" (my midget on the brain), and if I am a homophobe because of this... then that is my problem to work through.

i don't really agree with you on your post, but it is your opnion and personal view so i can't say you are wrong because we do it all the time even though it is not with the sexual orientation. its as if Daniel Ratcliff was cast as superman, people would say, i can't see harry potter as superman. or when tobey mcguire was cast, many said they don't see him as spiderman, and it had something to do with the person that people can't believe and nothing to do with the sexual orientation. thats just what bothers you specifically.

but i wanted to comment on the two bold sentences. just like you had no problem with Penn playing milk, you shouldn't have a problem with whoever plays superman. just like you didn't like the relationship with franco, so you won't like the relationship with lois. it is a small part of the character. (and don't say that it is more important than franco-penn relationship, which was the driving force of the movie). there are gay actors who play a more believable straight man then many actually straight actors. so if they embody superman in every way, something that shouldn't bother you.

the other statement, its interesting you say that, because i actually feel the opposite. i can't believe NPH is actually gay in real life based on met you mother and harold and kumar. but to each his own i suppose

[Bruce_Begins]

If the rumor about Clark Kent traveling around the world first, before becoming Superman is true (similar to Birthright), then Snyder / Nolan would be looking at actor in 25 to 30 year range, not a man in 40's like Jon Hamm (who looks like 45 year old.)

Armie Hammer is a good choice. IMO

[LadyVader]

Do you have a problem watching Leonard Nimoy as Spock...because you know, he isn't actually an alien.

Do you have a problem watching Michael C. Hall as Dexter....because you know, he isn't actually a serial killer.

Do you have a problem watching Christian Bale as Batman...because you know, he isn't actually Bruce Wayne.

Once again... romance is different. It appeals to something very basic and primal, something in our reptilian brains. Say I look at a guy and find him attractive, meaning I want to have sex with him. I don't know wether he's gay or straight. If I find out he's gay, no matter how handsome, charming, wonderful he is (and he still has those qualities mind you), I will not want to have sex with him any more. Because he doesn't have sex with GIRLS. It's that simple.

Does THAT make me a homophobe!?

[SuperMike335!!]

Yep. Hamm being 38/39, will not stop him from bulking up and getting in solid Superman shape.

Jackman is just one example.....Downey Jr toned up for Iron Man and Sherlock, and for crying out loud, Sly Stallone is in great shape and he is in his 60's!

Jason Statham is only about a year younger than Hamm and he is in great shape also!

If Hamm were cast as Superman, he would have no problem bulking up and getting in great shape.

The argument that Hamm is too old for the role and will not be able to to get in Superman shape is weak.


Keep in mind you have been naming guys who have ALL been in great shape for many years. None of them got into that kind of shape after 40, they maintained muscle mass they already had.

I could add Arnold Schwarzenegger to the list too. He was 42 when T2 was filmed.

Its another thing entirely to get a guy who is pushing 40 and has not ever been in that kind of shape before.

It IS possible to get Hamm into the kind of shape needed, with a 6-7 month time frame, I will give you that. It does also mean however that ALL the stops have to get pulled out, and it means working with a Pro Bodybuilder, and doing everything the Pro does.

Not that this bothers me, actors do it all the time, and I respect it. This is not a sport where anyone would be cheating to do so, and the actors are monitor by a doctor the whole time. Helps to have a Lawyer on speed dial too, and as we know they can get prescriptions for anything they want.

[LadyVader]

but i wanted to comment on the two bold sentences. just like you had no proble with Penn playing milk, you shouldn't have a problem with whoever plays superman. just like you didn't like the relationship with franco, so you won't like the relationship with lois. it is a small part of the character. (and don't say that it is more important than franco-penn relationship, which was the driving force of the movie). there are gay actors who play a more believable straight man then many actually straight actors. so if they embody superman in every way, something that shouldn't bother you.

Right on. If the actor plays his part in a convincing way and is everything that Clark Kent/Superman should be, I will not take that away from him. I will just not believe in his relationship with Lois, but you are right, I don't think that is necessarily one of the fundamental things about Superman. I mean the Supes/Lois relationship in Superman Returns was terrible, and yet I still enjoyed the movie. Ok, maybe I would be slightly disappointed if they decided to go down that route, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I won't be like: "Ill never watch this movie! It's an abomination!" God, no.

I will be sad because there's an aspect of Superman's mythology that for me will be dead.

[SuperMike335!!]

If this is an origin story, we'll need someone who can look like a rookie Superman.


Even if it is an established Superman, he should still look like the day he showed up in Metropolis.

Superman does not age normally. He would look 40 at about 140.

I'm not saying that we need a guy who looks 20 either.

The important thing is that he looks to be in his prime, and strong, rugged, and masculine looking. He should look "around" 30 age wise.

Now they can easily take an actor who is 40 and make him look 30 with makeup to hide a few lines. That is not the issue.

I am not hating on Hamm for the role either, I am just not so certain he is the best pick. There could certainly be dozens of better choices we have not even thought of who may show up for an open casting call too.

Screen test for everyone who looks the role, is an actor, and shows up.

I'm not too worried as Zack Snyder is good at making sure people look right for the role in his movies.

Lots of people did not like Watchmen, but then again, Alan Moore siad it was impossible to make a movie out of.

Regardless, at least the characters looked right, and Zack made sure to include the flopping penis and all - which I could easily see other directs making an excuse to hide.

Point being that he seems to insist on keeping the look as close to the comics as possible.

[Eze]

Keep in mind you have been naming guys who have ALL been in great shape for many years. None of them got into that kind of shape after 40, they maintained muscle mass they already had.

I could add Arnold Schwarzenegger to the list too. He was 42 when T2 was filmed.

Its another thing entirely to get a guy who is pushing 40 and has not ever been in that kind of shape before.

It IS possible to get Hamm into the kind of shape needed, with a 6-7 month time frame, I will give you that. It does also mean however that ALL the stops have to get pulled out, and it means working with a Pro Bodybuilder, and doing everything the Pro does.

Not that this bothers me, actors do it all the time, and I respect it. This is not a sport where anyone would be cheating to do so, and the actors are monitor by a doctor the whole time. Helps to have a Lawyer on speed dial too, and as we know they can get prescriptions for anything they want.

Total rubbish, CR gained 30 lbs in 8 weeks eating steak 3 times a day, and even then he wasn't that big. Hamm is already in better shape than CR when he was cast, so he has less work to do.

It's not that hard to gain weight, especially in a preproduction environment.

[I Am The Knight]

Right on. If the actor plays his part in a convincing way and is everything that Clark Kent/Superman should be, I will not take that away from him. I will just not believe in his relationship with Lois, but you are right, I don't think that is necessarily one of the fundamental things about Superman. I mean the Supes/Lois relationship in Superman Returns was terrible, and yet I still enjoyed the movie. Ok, maybe I would be slightly disappointed if they decided to go down that route, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I won't be like: "Ill never watch this movie! It's an abomination!" God, no.

I will be sad because there's an aspect of Superman's mythology that for me will be dead.

But the way you view things in real life (going back to your previous post about finding out the man you "love" is gay) is quite different than going into the world presented in a movie. Fist of all, you're sort of taking this world for granted, you have to take Superman for granted, and if you believe he can fly and have superpowers that the actor in real life probably does not have (:whatever:) then surely you can believe he feels attracted to a woman through his acting? I'm not sure why you can't get past that, people play characters, they become them, and well, you forget about who they really are. Unless, of course, they are the kind of actors who play themselves on screen.

[LadyVader]

I don't know why I can't get past that, I may be a closet homophobe. But I don't think so because like I said, I don't buy into the attraction if it's straight playing gay or vice-versa.

Yes, movies are very different from real life in the sense that they are a lot more simple, and more often than not appeal to your basic instincts. I'm just being honest here. I'd like it to be all about talent and inner beauty and all that crap. I really would. But the fact is that actors DO get identified with the roles they play. You don't forget who they "really" are because if that were true than it wouldn't matter what the actor looks like. Jorge Garcia could've played Sawyer in Lost and not Hurley. Because he's so good, the fact that he's overweight wouldn't matter. But that is simply not the case.

Why do you think Rob Pattinson and Kristen Stewart have been called an item for so long even if they constantly deny it? Because people WANT to believe that love can transcend from fiction to reality.

[TheWatcher]

That pic of Hamm with Affleck and Renner showed how tall he really is. NOT 5'11.

[Spider-Fan83]

or it shows how short Affleck and Renner really are...:cwink:

[TheWatcher]

Why I outta!

[cronosred]

I don't know why I can't get past that, I may be a closet homophobe. But I don't think so because like I said, I don't buy into the attraction if it's straight playing gay or vice-versa.


I don't think your a homophobe, I think what your saying is that it's harder for you to fall into the illusion of the movie if you know the truth, sort of like if you see how a movies effects are made and then go see that movie, sure the effects are great but it will always be in the back of your head on how they did it so it takes away some of the magic and enjoyment.

[I Am The Knight]

I don't know why I can't get past that, I may be a closet homophobe. But I don't think so because like I said, I don't buy into the attraction if it's straight playing gay or vice-versa.

Yes, movies are very different from real life in the sense that they are a lot more simple, and more often than not appeal to your basic instincts. I'm just being honest here. I'd like it to be all about talent and inner beauty and all that crap. I really would. But the fact is that actors DO get identified with the roles they play. You don't forget who they "really" are because if that were true than it wouldn't matter what the actor looks like. Jorge Garcia could've played Sawyer in Lost and not Hurley. Because he's so good, the fact that he's overweight wouldn't matter. But that is simply not the case.

Well, that's an extreme example there. Looks do matter, especially in Superhero movies, and character archetypes with familiar body structures. But sexuality is different. You don't need to have a particular look, unless you're going to be portraying such sexuality in broad strokes. I think you're bringing too much of yourself to these movies, if that makes any sense. You have to separate the actor from the role sometimes.

Why do you think Rob Pattinson and Kristen Stewart have been called an item for so long even if they constantly deny it? Because people WANT to believe that love can transcend from fiction to reality.

Yeah I guess, I don't follow the whole Twilight thing, but I would suppose that has more to do with their fandom being obsessed with those actors, and just the nature of gossip that keeps the business going, and it all ties into the celebrity culture we live in. These kind of rumors always surface regarding It couples. That's why I prefer to separate the actors' real life from their work on film. It's also why I have no problem seeing a Roman Polanski movie.

[SuperMike335!!]

Total rubbish, CR gained 30 lbs in 8 weeks eating steak 3 times a day, and even then he wasn't that big. Hamm is already in better shape than CR when he was cast, so he has less work to do.

It's not that hard to gain weight, especially in a preproduction environment.

If you believe that Reeve gained 30 pounds in 8 weeks just by lifting weights and eating steak for 8 weeks I have some swap land to sell you. Reeve was in his far younger than 40, and he sure did not gain his 30 pounds without the use of steroids.

In the 1970s and 1980s there was no stigma attatched to their use yet.

They did not even become illegal until the 1989 ASCA went into effect in 1990. Yes at one time they were 100% legal, widespread use, and nobody cared. Sometimes we are so used to things as they now are that we assume it was always that way. In the case of steroids, things were not always thought of as they now are.

It is next to impossible to gain 30 pounds of solid muscle in 8 weeks without the use of Androgenic Anabolic Steroids, which were perfectly legal back when Reeve had to get in shape for Superman.

Reeve also hired a bodybuilder, David Prowse, to help get him in shape.

If you were to go to ANY competitive, or former competitive bodybuilder Pre-1990 and tell them you NEED to gain 30 pounds in 8 week, of solid muscle, and one of the many things they would have you do would be a cycle of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) combined with weekly injections of about 300mg of testosterone phenylpropionate (or testosterone suspension for its even faster effects), injected EOD.

Remember their use was VERY wide spread in the 1980s, nobody minded, no laws broken. If you needed 30 pounds of muscle, in 8 weeks, you would have been considered a fool not to.

You can gain 30 pounds of muscle, but under the best natural conditions it can take years, and certainly will not happen in 8 weeks. Natural bodybuilders are considered to be doing excellent if they can gain 5 pounds of muscle in under 6 months.

The only time anyone can gain that much without the use of AAS (androgenic anabolic steroids) is if they are between the ages of 16-24, when natural testosterone levels are at their highest, and even then it certainly will not be 30 pounds in 8 weeks, not unless half the weight they packed on was fat.

That all being said, Hamm could get into the shape needed, but at the age of 40 (or close to it) it sure as heck is going to involve getting a prescription for some goodies. Not that I have a problem with him doing so.

Heck, how do you thing Bale gained 80 pounds of muscle in a short period of time for Batman Begins? He looked like he just came out of a concentration camp after the machinist. He also had puffy skin, back anche, and an obviously bad temper - gee, what could cause all of that? :woot:

Don't expect anyone in production to TELL you that however. Obviously the first rule is deny and the second one is to deny again.

[Astrodust]

If you believe that Reeve gained 30 pounds in 8 weeks just by lifting weights and eating steak for 8 weeks I have some swap land to sell you. Reeve was in his far younger than 40, and he sure did not gain his 30 pounds without the use of steroids.

In the 1970s and 1980s there was no stigma attatched to their use yet.

They did not even become illegal until the 1989 ASCA went into effect in 1990. Yes at one time they were 100% legal, widespread use, and nobody cared. Sometimes we are so used to things as they now are that we assume it was always that way. In the case of steroids, things were not always thought of as they now are.

It is next to impossible to gain 30 pounds of solid muscle in 8 weeks without the use of Androgenic Anabolic Steroids, which were perfectly legal back when Reeve had to get in shape for Superman.

Reeve also hired a bodybuilder, David Prowse, to help get him in shape.

If you were to go to ANY competitive, or former competitive bodybuilder Pre-1990 and tell them you NEED to gain 30 pounds in 8 week, of solid muscle, and one of the many things they would have you do would be a cycle of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) combined with weekly injections of about 300mg of testosterone phenylpropionate (or testosterone suspension for its even faster effects), injected EOD.

Remember their use was VERY wide spread in the 1980s, nobody minded, no laws broken. If you needed 30 pounds of muscle, in 8 weeks, you would have been considered a fool not to.

You can gain 30 pounds of muscle, but under the best natural conditions it can take years, and certainly will not happen in 8 weeks. Natural bodybuilders are considered to be doing excellent if they can gain 5 pounds of muscle in under 6 months.

The only time anyone can gain that much without the use of AAS (androgenic anabolic steroids) is if they are between the ages of 16-24, when natural testosterone levels are at their highest, and even then it certainly will not be 30 pounds in 8 weeks, not unless half the weight they packed on was fat.

That all being said, Hamm could get into the shape needed, but at the age of 40 (or close to it) it sure as heck is going to involve getting a prescription for some goodies. Not that I have a problem with him doing so.

Heck, how do you thing Bale gained 80 pounds of muscle in a short period of time for Batman Begins? He looked like he just came out of a concentration camp after the machinist. He also had puffy skin, back anche, and an obviously bad temper - gee, what could cause all of that? :woot:

Don't expect anyone in production to TELL you that however. Obviously the first rule is deny and the second one is to deny again.

Hamm has decent size so he could probably just lean up a bit. But I know what you mean. I said this earlier that they need to find someone who is already big or someone in fairly good shape that needs to put on some muscle. When you think about it like that it does rule out some actors. However you can't just accuse Reeve of doing steroids just cause steroids weren't illegal back then. There really is no proof. If Reeve was big when he was younger, he could gain a decent amount of muscle from muscle memory. Maybe not 30lbs of pure muscle. But a returning bodybuilder on a bulking diet could put on 30lbs of muscle, water, and fat in 2 months. It's not impossible.

[SuperMike335!!]

Hamm has decent size so he could probably just lean up a bit. But I know what you mean. I said this earlier that they need to find someone who is already big or someone in fairly good shape that needs to put on some muscle. When you think about it like that it does rule out some actors. However you can't just accuse Reeve of doing steroids just cause steroids weren't illegal back then. There really is no proof. If Reeve was big when he was younger, he could gain a decent amount of muscle from muscle memory. Maybe not 30lbs of pure muscle. But a returning bodybuilder on a bulking diet could put on 30lbs of muscle, water, and fat in 2 months. It's not impossible.

Its not a "heavy" accusation if he did not break any laws, and it was socialy acceptable by the status quo at the time.

Reeve was not a bodybuilder returning to offseason shape right after a contest either.

There is no proof of a lot of things. Remember there was zero social stigma attatched to the use when Reeve needed to get in shape, besides being considered an idiot of he did not use them. He also had expert advice for the time in David Prowse.

My point is that they are not going to just "bulk up" any actor, one nearing 40 without having to go the route of AAS, like how everybody states it like "its so easy".

Click the fingers "snap" and poof the guy has a body like Hugh Jackman.

We only hear about the actors who DO take roles and get into shape for them.

We never hear who turned down a role because he did not feel like doing what it takes to gain 30 pounds of muscle and drop 15 pounds of bodyfat in under 4 months, or whatever time frame they have.

Hamm does not look like he has anywhere near the kind of muscle mass on his body that a guy like Hugh Jackman has. He would need to gain about 30 pounds of solid muscle, and take off about 30 of fat. Then he would have a similar build.

This is possible to do, but in Pre-production they would need to hire an IFBB pro, or at least a top national superheavyweight competitor. Just like they did with Reeve.

Here was David Prowse back when he competed. Actually, not a bad build for a Superman if you ask me. Prowse was 6'6", and also wore the Darth Vader costume for Star Wars. Keep in mind how hard it is to fill out a 6'6" frame.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3441/davidprowse5.jpg

[Astrodust]

Let's put it this way, I work out and have an above average metabolism. I have to make sure I eat a lot otherwise I can lose too much weight. I float between 140-145lbs. If I skip a few meals my weight can drop to 137lbs. But because I've been as high as 150lbs before, I can bulk up from 137-150lbs of mostly muscle in less than 2 months. So I believe a 200+ lb person, especially one that is 6'4'' could put on 30lbs in 2 months.

[Astrodust]

And no I don't do steroids. My experience is that when we look at other bodybuilders and think that they cheat it's because we don't think we can achieve the same result. Also people that cheat seem to think everyone else is cheating as well.

[SuperMike335!!]

Let's put it this way, I work out and have an above average metabolism. I have to make sure I eat a lot otherwise I can lose too much weight. I float between 140-145lbs. If I skip a few meals my weight can drop to 137lbs. But because I've been as high as 150lbs before, I can bulk up from 137-150lbs of mostly muscle in less than 2 months. So I believe a 200+ lb person, especially one that is 6'4'' could put on 30lbs in 2 months.


I have seen zero evidence that Reeve had a lot of muscle Pre-SM1. If he did, then yes, it would be easier to re-gain 30 pounds than to gain it in the first place.

He went from 175 or so, to 215, under the supervision of a competitive bodybuilder at a time when AAS was not even considered bad for you.

Being taller does not make it much easier to gain muscle.

Harder to fill out in fact, because they gain it at the same rate a shorter guy does, or at best not much faster, but since they need more to fill out, it actually takes longer.

That is also the reason there are not a lot of tall bodybuilders. Over 6ft is only small%, with about 90%+ of them being 5'7" to 5'11".

Not that we need a bodybuilder to play Superman however. My point only being that for a guy nearing 40, who has not previously had a very impressive build, there are more things that go into getting into shape. Considering most men have only 50% the testosterone level at 40 they had at the age of 18, there need to be some extras in the medical department...

You know, like the natural supplements Stallone got in a fiasco with Astralian customs over. :cwink:

And no I don't do steroids. My experience is that when we look at other bodybuilders and think that they cheat it's because we don't think we can achieve the same result. Also people that cheat seem to think everyone else is cheating as well.

You are STILL looking at it from the modern paradigm.

In the 1980's it was not yet considered cheating.

The paradigm then was you were a fool not to.

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Even today, if an actor like Stallone has a perscription for testosterone and hGH, its not exactly like he is playing on a sports field.

Layne Norton is one of the best natural bodybuilders in the world. Ask him if he thinks a man over the age of 40, who has never been that muscular, is going to gain 30 pounds of muscle and strip 15 pounds of bodyfat in a few months.

[Project862006]

throwing an unknown actor out there he has done a few movies but mostly done Theater/Stage work

Spencer Conway(no idea of his acting tho)
http://www.gregkerr.net/presskit/ff_promo/assets/images_hs/spencerconway.jpg

[Project862006]

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[Astrodust]

I have seen zero evidence that Reeve had a lot of muscle Pre-SM1. If he did, then yes, it would be easier to re-gain 30 pounds than to gain it in the first place.

He went from 175 or so, to 215, under the supervision of a competitive bodybuilder at a time when AAS was not even considered bad for you.

Being taller does not make it much easier to gain muscle.

Harder to fill out in fact, because they gain it at the same rate a shorter guy does, or at best not much faster, but since they need more to fill out, it actually takes longer.

That is also the reason there are not a lot of tall bodybuilders. Over 6ft is only small%, with about 90%+ of them being 5'7" to 5'11".

Not that we need a bodybuilder to play Superman however. My point only being that for a guy nearing 40, who has not previously had a very impressive build, there are more things that go into getting into shape. Considering most men have only 50% the testosterone level at 40 they had at the age of 18, there need to be some extras in the medical department...

You know, like the natural supplements Stallone got in a fiasco with Astralian customs over. :cwink:



You are STILL looking at it from the modern paradigm.

In the 1980's it was not yet considered cheating.

The paradigm then was you were a fool not to.

edit...

Even today, if an actor like Stallone has a perscription for testosterone and hGH, its not exactly like he is playing on a sports field.

Layne Norton is one of the best natural bodybuilders in the world. Ask him if he thinks a man over the age of 40, who has never been that muscular, is going to gain 30 pounds of muscle and strip 15 pounds of bodyfat in a few months.

According to wiki he was 189lbs and put on about 30lbs of muscle. It really depends on his body type whether this was achievable or not. He may of had muscle memory or been one of those guys that could put on weight easily(mesomorphs). Also the shooting for Superman lasted for 2 films which gave him even more time to put on muscle. The thing is we don't know how lean he was. His bf% could of been 15% or more. He could of put on 20-25 lbs before shooting began and another 10lbs in the first 2 months of production. All we really know is that he was determined but that doesn't mean he resorted to steroids. I bet you I could bring my weight from 137lbs to 160lbs in 2 months without steroids and I'm 5'5''.

[Maze]

I don't know about Spencer Conway acting, but He has the superman look down :)

No clip or showreel online?

[Project862006]

nah sorry nothing lol like routh before he was cast

for all i know he could be awful lol

[C. Lee]

throwing an unknown actor out there he has done a few movies but mostly done Theater/Stage work

Spencer Conway(no idea of his acting tho)
http://www.gregkerr.net/presskit/ff_promo/assets/images_hs/spencerconway.jpg

I looked him up on IMDB....not a lot of info on him, but a real interesting note...someone asked if he was related to Clint Walker because he looked like him in the episode of LEVERAGE he did. I've always said that Clint Walker was perfect for Superman back in his younger days....Spencer has a nice Superman look in the face, but if this guy has a build like Clint, then he would be someone to definately consider.

Good find Project862006.

[gdw]

throwing an unknown actor out there he has done a few movies but mostly done Theater/Stage work

Spencer Conway(no idea of his acting tho)
http://www.gregkerr.net/presskit/ff_promo/assets/images_hs/spencerconway.jpg

Any idea of his height?

I looked him up on IMDB....not a lot of info on him, but a real interesting note...someone asked if he was related to Clint Walker because he looked like him in the episode of LEVERAGE he did. I've always said that Clint Walker was perfect for Superman back in his younger days....Spencer has a nice Superman look in the face, but if this guy has a build like Clint, then he would be someone to definately consider.

Good find Project862006.

Was he any good on Leverage? I have the first season at home, so I may have to look him up, assuming he was on the first season.

[C. Lee]

He was in season 2 episode 4 THE FAIRY GODPARENTS JOB. I've never watched LEVERAGE.

I have no idea how tall he is...but was saying that if someone compared him to Clint Walker, and Clint was a big man...then that sounds good.

[Project862006]

more photos

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http://www.the3rdfloor.com/images/SpencerConway.JPGhttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UgVWizz6d7c/RuYTPBGUUrI/AAAAAAAAAO4/gToatDN0QaI/s320/ASL+Day+19+Pic+2.jpg
http://www.the3rdfloor.com/images/HBB1.jpg
(Far Left)
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[SuperMike335!!]

According to wiki he was 189lbs and put on about 30lbs of muscle. It really depends on his body type whether this was achievable or not. He may of had muscle memory or been one of those guys that could put on weight easily(mesomorphs). Also the shooting for Superman lasted for 2 films which gave him even more time to put on muscle. The thing is we don't know how lean he was. His bf% could of been 15% or more. He could of put on 20-25 lbs before shooting began and another 10lbs in the first 2 months of production. All we really know is that he was determined but that doesn't mean he resorted to steroids. I bet you I could bring my weight from 137lbs to 160lbs in 2 months without steroids and I'm 5'5''.

Are you over 25 years old?

It is different if you are a teen, boiling over with testosterone. Teens CAN gain muscle very fast. Try it with 15% less testosterone in your mid 20's, 25% less in your 30's, and 50% less at 40.

Now imagine doing it, at a time when steroids are perfectly legal, socially acceptable, and thought to be 100% safe, and the bodybuilding coach who you have HIRED tells you to use them.

That and part of your contract for the movie depends on you gaining this 30 pounds of muscle. If you show up holding water like a blimp and with love handles, you are fired. It has to be solid gains.

If you think you can go from 137 to 160, WITHOUT gaining more than 4 pounds of fat, OR retaining extra water, in 2 months then prove it.

Because right now, I dont believe you. That means you need to gain 1 pound of lean muscle, every other day.

I have seen a lot of guys who thought they could gain 20 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. What they gained was about 5 pounds of muscle, 5 pounds of water, and 10 pounds of fat. These guys were teens, football players trying to make the team, and needed to pack on weight.

They ate tons of protein, creatine, lots of carbs, vitamins etc... That combined with the highest natural testosterone levels anyone could hope for, and only 5 pounds of the honest gains were lean.

That means about 1 pound of muscle gained every 12 days, and THAT IMHO is a very good rate of muscle gain for a natural athlete.

If Reeve gained 10 pounds of muscle, and 20 pounds of fat and water, then I would believe he did it without steroids.

If it was a solid 30, as it looked like, then do the math.

I'm not villifying him for doing it either.

I am not saying that one could not get where he got natural either.

Only that it just is not going to happen naturally in only 60 days.

Given a full year and I would say naturally a build such as what he had when SM1 was filmed could be gone further than, and even passed without any AAS needed what so ever.

[SuperMike335!!]

throwing an unknown actor out there he has done a few movies but mostly done Theater/Stage work

Spencer Conway(no idea of his acting tho)


Wow, nice find!

Him being in stage theatre gets him some bonus points in my book too.

Here he is compared to Clint Walker, as C.LEE noted.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7747/spencerconwaycomparedto.jpg

[Project862006]

no small man either and he even has his own fan cast face book page did not know this lol

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cast-Spencer-Conway-as-Superman/161122837240569 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cast-Spencer-Conway-as-Superman/161122837240569?v=photos#%21/pages/Cast-Spencer-Conway-as-Superman/161122837240569?v=wall)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs882.snc4/71511_162198750466311_161122837240569_454679_34784 36_n.jpg

now granted i still want to see him act because he could be awful for all i know but for now i like him

[SuperMike335!!]

^^

Either he is around 6'3" or he has a very small head.

I'm inclined to think he is a taller man however.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'd prefer unknowns getting a shot than lazy choices like John Hamm.

The Superman being an unknown tradition needs to be kept for the sixth Superman.

[SuperMike335!!]

I'd prefer unknowns getting a shot than lazy choices like John Hamm.

The Superman being an unknown tradition needs to be kept for the sixth Superman.

Agreed.

Names does not a Superman make.

Talent and the physical attributes is where they need to go.

Both can be found in unknowns.

There are so many guys with stage theatre work, and smaller film roles, who would make a great superman.



Found a little info on a blog abou Spencer Conway's acting here, at least one review http://followspot.blogspot.com/2007/01/misalliance.html (http://followspot.blogspot.com/2007/01/misalliance.html)

This was from back in 2007.


-I think this is about right. I also enjoyed the show, perhaps more often than did Followspot. I felt embarrassed about my own ignorance after reading the WW review--since I'm sure James Walling is absolutely right about Coleman's (perhaps unwitting) misappropriation of Shaw--but I laughed a lot. I particularly enjoyed Aled Davies as Lord Summerhays and Kenneth Albers as Tarleton. They each showed restraint amidst the histrionics going on around them. It was also nice seeing local actors stretch their legs on that big proscenium. Spencer Conway manages to be impossibly handsome, dorky, and dignified all at the same time--a neat trick, which he pulls off by straight-up actor honesty (in general, I like both Spencer's work AND his completetly upbeat attitude!) Amanda Soden l has a blast. Darius Pierce lets out full-throttle, sacrificing subtlety for vaudeville--yeah, I'll agree, and he might have been better served by another director--but he works in some marvelous beat changes, moving back and forth between sympathetic and butt-of-the-joke (perhaps too much of the later). And, it IS a handsome set.-

[Project862006]

this is from May of 2010
http://media.oregonlive.com/ent_impact_performance/photo/dsc-1074-300x200jpg-37d79542c7c3ca54_large.jpg
Finding that fruitful middle ground is a huge challenge, especially for a brand new company. But its also a worthy one, and Compass Repertory Theatre (http://compassrep.org/) gets much of the way there with its debut production, which opened Friday in the converted Northeast Portland church best known as the home of Portland Playhouse.


Using a tart new adaptation by Tom Stoppard (http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Interview/Tom-Stoppard/ba-p/882;jsessionid=10B7DE9AF13369B90A577B0744485D97), Compass Rep plays up the opportunity for comic gesture and emphasis. The approach pays off particularly in the performances of Spencer Conway, who plays the young valet Yasha as a pretty, preening small-time arriviste, and Richard Reiten, gibbering through a cotton-candy cloud of beard as the ancient, ever-dutiful servant Firs.


There are strong performances as well in some of the more prominent but less comic roles. Allison Anderson (one of the prime beneficiaries of Russell Terwelp's richly realized costume designs, which range from the sumptuous to the tatty) gives an appropriately airy, oblivious quality to Liubov, the mistress of the estate who's unable to come grips with her rapidly diminishing circumstances. Cecily Overman as Liubov's adopted daughter Varya, and Butch Flowers as the perpetual student Trofimov, settle into their serious-minded characters with an admirable naturalness.
http://www.oregonlive.com/performance/index.ssf/2010/05/compass_repertory_theatre_debu.html

[JAK®]

There is no way Reeve gained 30lbs of lean muscle in 60 days. Not without steroids. It just doesn't happen.

[DorkyFresh]

the fact the he hasn't done much film work makes him a shot in the dark, but i have a new favorite candidate (at least as far as looks are concerned).....Spencer Conway!!! great find Project862006!

[GinsterHead]

Conway certainly looks the part...but, reviews notwithstanding, it's hard to tell what his acting's like. Are there any videos of him on the interwebs at all?

[gdw]

"Spencer Conway manages to be impossibly handsome, dorky, and dignified all at the same time--a neat trick, which he pulls off by straight-up actor honesty"

Well if that doesn't describe the perfect acting for CK, I don't know what does.

[rdh007]

Conway Dammit!!!

No, seriously, Cavill aside, that's exactly what these guys need to be looking at.

[Draven]

Steven Strait

He is 6ft 2inches and has developed a good body that can probably be molded how they would want.

[Slugster]

He looks great!!! I'm sorry but that Dude looks like Superman more than anyone else we have mentioned.

[DorkyFresh]

Conway certainly looks the part...but, reviews notwithstanding, it's hard to tell what his acting's like. Are there any videos of him on the interwebs at all?

ask and yee shall recieve...

http://vimeo.com/14837152

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

[flickchick85]

You've obviously never seen a Snyder film. He's known for getting great performances out of his actors!

If you've ever seen Watchmen, you'll know that Jackie Earle Haley played the part of Rorschach better than Heath played Joker.
I've seen all of Snyder's films (minus part of Dawn of the Dead), and Haley was the only good performance in Watchmen, imo (though I still don't think he was nearly as good as Heath's Joker). Wilson and Crudup weren't bad, but they're both very talented actors who weren't at their best in that movie, imo, and everyone else was kinda terrible, imo. And I think they're all usually very good actors (except Ackerman). And everyone was just so damn hammy in 300. Great actors, too. I know it's the "style," but that doesn't make it seem any better or less cringe-worthy to me. Gerard Butler was the only one who managed to not come off terribly in it, imo (I'm sure his booming voice and imposing physique had a lot to do with that, too). Actually, now that I think about it, "hammy" pretty much describes the acting I've seen in Snyder films in general. If I'm gonna enjoy this movie, it's gonna need someone in the lead who can make Supes natural and convincing, with or without (or in spite of) Snyder's help.

Also, WOW does Spencer Conway look like Superman. I doubt he'll end up on Snyder's radar, but if he were to snag a screentest, I certainly wouldn't complain.

[batman44]

As far as looks go Mr. Conway has it in spades:up: I wonder if he would be interested in the role.

[flickchick85]

Dp.

[gdw]

Conway's face is a tiny bit too long, but other than that, perfect.

[gdw]

Some VERY quick manips:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/151/ck1r.jpg

Though I think he's more of a rectangular frames kinda guy.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3872/ck2o.jpg


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4770/spencerconwaysuperman.jpg

[Maze]

ask and yee shall recieve...

http://vimeo.com/14837152

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

Interesting.. thanks ;)

[FilmNerdJamie]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.

[gdw]

Judging by this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4
either all those guys are around 6 ft, or Conway's not that tall. Though he is the tallest one there, not by much.

[Maze]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.

Ok, thanks ;)

[RachelDawes]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.

No! Tell us now!

Please? :yay:

[gdw]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.

Grrr. They need to look at guys like Conway and Hammer.

[Man of Tomorrow]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.

That's unfortunate.


Have they been mentioned on the board before?

[Maze]

Maybe Hammer has a chance, he is not so unknown now.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Grrr. They need to look at guys like Conway and Hammer.

Hammer isn't really a complete unknown anymore. He's on the map now. He's an up and comer in the biz.


I was hoping they'd look at complete unknowns like Routh (prior to SR) and Reeve (prior to STM), but I guess that may not be in the cards.

[batman44]

Thanks for the update Jamie.

[GreenKToo]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.
Like big names? or hammer type names? Either way, bring it.

[Maze]

At the same time we can wonder what "known" mean exactly. Known like a " c list" actor like Joe M in true blood? known meaning a "star" like Jack Gyllenhaal?

[Maze]

Like big names? or hammer type names? Either way, bring it.

Voila ;)

[GreenKToo]

hammer time eh...heh heh.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It means they aren't looking at guys like Spencer Conway and Harmon Walsh.

Or it could be possible Jamie just hasn't heard of any unknowns yet.


There aren't too many known actors that fit the physical requirements for Superman, close to none, so this should be interesting.

[GreenKToo]

I would just like a real list of actors they're considering so we can stop looking at every tv show thats on now for possible candidates.

[Maze]

hammer time eh...heh heh.

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

[SuperAl]

ask and yee shall recieve...

http://vimeo.com/14837152

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

that was horrible

[DorkyFresh]

i know they're looking at names, but a man can dream...here's another one of Spencer Conway (WARNING: ADULT SOME LANGUAGE)...

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1169888281217





...of course, it's not much to go by but just on these 3 clips alone i would say that he's easily the best candidate brought up on these boards. it's just a damn shame he won't get looked at.

[gdw]

Man I wanna know how tall he is.

[Man of Tomorrow]

i know they're looking at names, but a man can dream...here's another one of Spencer Conroy (WARNING: ADULT SOME LANGUAGE)...

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1169888281217

...of course, it's not much to go by but just on these 3 clips alone i would say that he's easily the best candidate brought up on these boards. it's just a damn shame he won't get looked at.


Not feeling it. I actually preferred Walsh of all the unknowns because we knew he was 6'2.5 and has been on WB television before.


I hope they do have SOME unknowns read for this role. They seem to be in such a rush with this project, I hope the casting isn't rushed.

[7heBoss]

Judging by this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4
either all those guys are around 6 ft, or Conway's not that tall. Though he is the tallest one there, not by much.

If you look at 2:50 on the video it shows he has a superman action figure on display in his room. He must be a fan, just saying... even though that is probably not his room in real life

[Slugster]

I personally think the acting could be better if given a better Director than a Comedy Sketch writer. but anyway......
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9213/mensunderarmourgenerati.png

[Maze]

He looks a little bit like Matthew fox there.

[DorkyFresh]

I personally think the acting could be better if given a better Director than a Comedy Sketch writer. but anyway......


obviously...the actor has to cater to the need of the production so in the first 2 videos he has to be somewhat comedic and exaggerated. in the facebook clip, it's a more serious tone which is why he's not acting goofy. he doesn't do the best job at portraying struggling inner turmoil, but he certainly suffices. he has good subtleties and nuances even if he's staring up at the air for half the clip. anyway, again, i don't wanna get too much into his acting based on 3 videos....but even those 3 clips have shown that he can be physical, he can improv, and he can carry a serious scene. on top of that he has a near perfect face. my only concern (aside from him being an extreme unknown) is that we don't know his height....which i'm sure is at LEAST 5'10 probably more like 6 feet judging by his build.

[Maze]

I would be interested by seeing that facebook video, but it doesn't load where i am.

[Project862006]

wow i have not seen this harmon walsh the dude kinda looks like christian bale lol

he looks perfect why isn't he getting more support lol

[Man of Tomorrow]

wow i have not seen this harmon walsh the dude kinda looks like christian bale lol

he looks perfect why isn't he getting more support lol

Because he's an unknown...

And they don't seem to be a high priority on WB's gameplan this time around unfortunately

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6056/headshotv2.jpg


Though I'm hoping things change...

[Slugster]

6'2 is what I heard if thats the case then I'm good with him.
I went to his facebook page and asked that question we shall see.

[DorkyFresh]

not a fan of Harmon Walsh. he sort of has the face, but his eyebrows are weird and he doesn't have charisma on camera. he also has somewhat of a boyish voice.

edit: i REALLY wish WB, Nolan, and Snyder would rethink their casting strategy (looking for knowns)...this Spencer dude IS Superman!!! he even has a natural spit curl, and it's the in the right direction!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerman1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerman2.jpg

[Project862006]

tell you the truth i dont know 1 known actor who looks like superman

get an unknown

how the hell did you think hugh jackman got where he was today he was an unknown before x Men


edit: great Spencer pictures where those from

[DorkyFresh]

edit: great Spencer pictures where those from

screengrabbed from 'the 3rd Floor' clips...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZceTiPQ-SE
(1:18)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij1a7z1TJ1Y
(beginning until 0:25)

[7heBoss]

Because he's an unknown...

And they don't seem to be a high priority on WB's gameplan this time around unfortunately

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6056/headshotv2.jpg


Though I'm hoping things change...

Yeah, he has a good look. I wouldn't mind. He is just about tall enough too


but when I was looking up Walsh I came across another actor that has a decent look. Does anyone know anything about this Luke Macfarlane? Google says he is 6' 2"

http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2 C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C% 2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C %2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2 C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2C%2Cluke09.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5LZFBy22PXs/SAWP9syMy7I/AAAAAAAACNs/MjMAKhkxPxU/s320/luke-macfarlane-gay.jpg

[Lone]

Conway definitely looks the part. Good job bringing a new name to the mix.

I like the fact that he looks like he can take a punch. Superman needs to look like he can take a punch.

[DorkyFresh]

a couple more pix of Spence...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/l_abaa572de97aae8a3445bc39315904d6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/l_47b773ba221a4c9ea7ef15aaf6f4cb00.jpg

edit: quick manip...


Clark Conway

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerkent1.jpg

[Strider14]

Total rubbish, CR gained 30 lbs in 8 weeks eating steak 3 times a day, and even then he wasn't that big. Hamm is already in better shape than CR when he was cast, so he has less work to do.

It's not that hard to gain weight, especially in a preproduction environment.

As a former personal trainer, I will have to disagree with you. Who knows what else Reeve did to put on that weight and not everyone's physiology is conducive to what Reeve did. I have watched guys work their behinds off trying to lose weight and also guys who have tried to gain muscle and no matter what they did and how hard they worked at it, they couldn't get anywhere. It all depends on the individual's personal biochemistry and physiological makeup.

[Dark Knight]

how is he a bad director for actors malin ackerman is the only bad performance he has had in his films and she was'nt even that bad just not as good as her co stars

JEH
Crudup
Morgan
Wilson
Butler

all gave good performances for their character

especially JEH who was just as good a Heath's Joker

and Chris Nolan directed Katie Holmes to a bad performance as well






Good points and I agree....most of the cast in Watchmen gave solid performances.

[Dark Knight]

Keep in mind you have been naming guys who have ALL been in great shape for many years. None of them got into that kind of shape after 40, they maintained muscle mass they already had.

I could add Arnold Schwarzenegger to the list too. He was 42 when T2 was filmed.

Its another thing entirely to get a guy who is pushing 40 and has not ever been in that kind of shape before.

It IS possible to get Hamm into the kind of shape needed, with a 6-7 month time frame, I will give you that. It does also mean however that ALL the stops have to get pulled out, and it means working with a Pro Bodybuilder, and doing everything the Pro does.

Not that this bothers me, actors do it all the time, and I respect it. This is not a sport where anyone would be cheating to do so, and the actors are monitor by a doctor the whole time. Helps to have a Lawyer on speed dial too, and as we know they can get prescriptions for anything they want.







The word is HGH, along with illegal pill popping and of course coke run rampant in Hollywood land.

Bale is another actor who fluctuates weight like crazy for roles in a short period of time....relatively.

Jason Statham was not always ripped. He didn't really bulk up until after Snatch to get ready for the Transporter films.

Downey Jr was never ripped either.

[Dark Knight]

We're hearing some names - not unknowns. We'll say something if and when they check out.







Good!

No inexperienced, unknown and unproven "actors" for SuperBOY.....I mean SuperMAN please.

[I Am The Knight]

Good points and I agree....most of the cast in Watchmen gave solid performances.

Agreed, the cast is one of the main reasons why the film actually works.

[Strider14]

Downey Jr was never ripped either.

He still isn't what I call "ripped". :nono: :cwink:

[flickchick85]

Agreed, the cast is one of the main reasons why the film actually works.
Well there's the fundamental point of our disagreement, because aside from a couple of sequences, I didn't feel the film worked at all. And I really wanted it to (I even made a fan-trailer for the movie to try to channel all that anticipation I had for it). :csad:

[Astrodust]

Are you over 25 years old?

It is different if you are a teen, boiling over with testosterone. Teens CAN gain muscle very fast. Try it with 15% less testosterone in your mid 20's, 25% less in your 30's, and 50% less at 40.

Now imagine doing it, at a time when steroids are perfectly legal, socially acceptable, and thought to be 100% safe, and the bodybuilding coach who you have HIRED tells you to use them.

That and part of your contract for the movie depends on you gaining this 30 pounds of muscle. If you show up holding water like a blimp and with love handles, you are fired. It has to be solid gains.

If you think you can go from 137 to 160, WITHOUT gaining more than 4 pounds of fat, OR retaining extra water, in 2 months then prove it.

Because right now, I dont believe you. That means you need to gain 1 pound of lean muscle, every other day.

I have seen a lot of guys who thought they could gain 20 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. What they gained was about 5 pounds of muscle, 5 pounds of water, and 10 pounds of fat. These guys were teens, football players trying to make the team, and needed to pack on weight.

They ate tons of protein, creatine, lots of carbs, vitamins etc... That combined with the highest natural testosterone levels anyone could hope for, and only 5 pounds of the honest gains were lean.

That means about 1 pound of muscle gained every 12 days, and THAT IMHO is a very good rate of muscle gain for a natural athlete.

If Reeve gained 10 pounds of muscle, and 20 pounds of fat and water, then I would believe he did it without steroids.

If it was a solid 30, as it looked like, then do the math.

I'm not villifying him for doing it either.

I am not saying that one could not get where he got natural either.

Only that it just is not going to happen naturally in only 60 days.

Given a full year and I would say naturally a build such as what he had when SM1 was filmed could be gone further than, and even passed without any AAS needed what so ever.

Not to beat a dead horse but we don't know what Reeve looked like under the suit. There is no way to tell Reeve's bf% by looking at him wearing the suit. I didn't mean to say he gained 30 lbs of pure muscle. But based on what I can gain and my height, he could of gained a combination of muscle, water, and fat in 8 weeks. 1-2 lb of muscle a week is doable on a strict diet. My bad for saying he gained 30lbs of muscle. Obviously a 30lb gain is a combination of muscle water and fat.

As for myself I never said I could go make a gain from 137-160 of pure muscle. Only that I could get up to 160lbs. My reasoning is that I could get up to 150-152lbs in about 4 weeks based on muscle memory. Yes I've done this. Given another 4 weeks I could make a gain of 10lbs of a combination of muscle, water, and fat. My muscle gain would be 3-4 lbs, with 2-4 lbs being gained from water and 2-3lbs from fat. My best estimate is my bf% would end up being around 14-16% but I wouldn't look fat. Right now I'm probably 7-8% bf. Now take someone who is 6'4''. They could put on more weight in the same time period. Also it's likely that Reeve kept up his training during production. He really had ample time to put on that mystery 30lbs.

[Man of Tomorrow]

but when I was looking up Walsh I came across another actor that has a decent look. Does anyone know anything about this Luke Macfarlane? Google says he is 6' 2"


He is openly gay.

[7heBoss]

He is openly gay.

Yeah, so i read after I posted. But he's an actor, I'm sure he can play a straight character. But oh well, its not like I was really endorsing him anyway

hey, isn't Tom Hardy gay? and he is a favorite for Lex Luther. Just sayin

[DCnightwing23]

Umm Tom Hardy isnt gay, he's been married once, has a kid and just got engaged this year.

[LadyVader]

Tom Hardy has admitted he's been with men in an interview. He's very open about and simply says it was something he was interested in at the time but not any more. Either way, didn't he get cast in Batman 3? I think Lex Luthor or any other part in Superman is out of the question because of that.

[GreenKToo]

I'm really wondering who the names are they're looking at. Who ever they are, I suspect we won't be getting the reeve look this time.
The only two names we've heard that may have any truth are Hamm and Hammer.

We've heard Joe M's name as well, but all it's been is him saying he wants it. To my knowledge we havent heard WB are looking at him, have we?

Fun times are coming.

[Strider14]

Umm Tom Hardy isnt gay, he's been married once, has a kid and just got engaged this year.

I could give you a decent list of married Hollywood actors who are gay. A few decades ago marriage would be the coverup to keep their Hollywood heartthrob image intact. Rock Hudson was one I can mention, being that all came out after he passed. Some of the others would shock most people.

I know the gay thing has been beaten to death. A certain mod here did post that WB would be nervous about casting a homosexual to play Superman. Whether right or wrong, that is apparently WB's take on it, so it does play some relevancy.

[JamalYIgle]

He is openly gay.

So what?

[JAK®]

Now take someone who is 6'4''. They could put on more weight in the same time period.It doesn't work that way. Taller people don't gain weight faster. In fact being tall makes it harder to notice weight gain.

[sf2]

I'm really wondering who the names are they're looking at. Who ever they are, I suspect we won't be getting the reeve look this time.
The only two names we've heard that may have any truth are Hamm and Hammer.

We've heard Joe M's name as well, but all it's been is him saying he wants it. To my knowledge we havent heard WB are looking at him, have we?

Fun times are coming.

but the superman look is very much reeve look.

[flickchick85]

but the superman look is very much reeve look.
Reeve had A Superman look, not the only one. In case you haven't seen the pictures people have been posting from the comics, Superman has had many different looks.

[Project862006]

i dont want a big name actor for superman if we dont get an unknown i would settle for bale before batman popularity

[Astrodust]

edit

[Strider14]

It doesn't work that way. Taller people don't gain weight faster. In fact being tall makes it harder to notice weight gain.

Exactly. :yay:

Flickchick@ Exactly. Reeve had A look, but not the only look for Superman. I think this new Spencer guy has a better Superman look than Reeve did, while not looking like Reeve.

[Astrodust]

It doesn't work that way. Taller people don't gain weight faster. In fact being tall makes it harder to notice weight gain.

Actually taller people do gain weight faster. It's only cause they have a larger frame that it is harder to notice. I've worked out with many people at the gym and they can gain 15lbs in the time it takes for me to put on 5lbs. Now if we are talking ectomorphs( really skinny people with fast metabolisms) then yes they have to consume a lot more calories to put on weight. I knew a girl who was a true ectomorph once and she ate twice as much as other people and couldn't put on weight at all.

[daywalker2007]

a couple more pix of Spence...


edit: quick manip...


Clark Conway

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerkent1.jpg

Holy crap! Its Clark kent!

This guy looks just like Superman! Completely different look to Reeve or Routh, but has the perfect look for a new Superman. Awesome natural spit curl too!

he should audition dressed like that, he might do well!

[Astrodust]

It doesn't work that way. Taller people don't gain weight faster. In fact being tall makes it harder to notice weight gain.

Now if you are talking about my conversation earlier about Reeve being able to put on 30lbs in 8 weeks without steroids then yes he could have. Considering that we don't know his bf% before and after the training period he could of easily put on 15-20lbs of muscle with the remainder being water and fat. Also clearly Reeve was not an ectomorph based on his frame throughout his life so 30lbs in 8 weeks was attainable. It depends on how badly you want it and he was determined. If someone offered you say 25 million dollars to work out and try and put on 30lbs in 8 weeks I bet you would come pretty close.

[Octoberist]

I could give you a decent list of married Hollywood actors who are gay. A few decades ago marriage would be the coverup to keep their Hollywood heartthrob image intact. Rock Hudson was one I can mention, being that all came out after he passed. Some of the others would shock most people.

I know the gay thing has been beaten to death. A certain mod here did post that WB would be nervous about casting a homosexual to play Superman. Whether right or wrong, that is apparently WB's take on it, so it does play some relevancy.

But Tom Hardy is bisexual, not just gay.

[Astrodust]

But Tom Hardy is bisexual, not just gay.

Or he is a gay man masquerading as a bisexual.

[Octoberist]

i don't think it's any of our biz-wax! haha.

[Gianakin_]

Or he was joking when he said that.

[JAK®]

Now if you are talking about my conversation earlier about Reeve being able to put on 30lbs in 8 weeks without steroids then yes he could have. Considering that we don't know his bf% before and after the training period he could of easily put on 15-20lbs of muscle with the remainder being water and fat. Also clearly Reeve was not an ectomorph based on his frame throughout his life so 30lbs in 8 weeks was attainable. It depends on how badly you want it and he was determined. If someone offered you say 25 million dollars to work out and try and put on 30lbs in 8 weeks I bet you would come pretty close.
The most determined person in the world couldn't put on 30lbs of lean muscle in 8 weeks without the use of steroids.

I know because this year I put on 30lbs this year in six months, that's considered a large amount of weight gain in that time; and it wasn't all lean muscle.

Unless Reeve was a genetic marvel he didn't do it naturally.

[Project862006]

why would you joke about that

anyways why has this turned into a is he gay or is'nt he?

[Astrodust]

The most determined person in the world couldn't put on 30lbs of lean muscle in 8 weeks without the use of steroids.

I know because this year I put on 30lbs this year in six months, that's considered a large amount of weight gain in that time; and it wasn't all lean muscle.

Unless Reeve was a genetic marvel he didn't do it naturally.

Please reread my post.

[Dark Knight]

He is openly gay.






Another lie.

Tom Hardy said he had sex with a man before....experimenting or whatever.

He has been married once, and he has a kid and he is also currently engaged now to a woman.

[JAK®]

Please reread my post.
Even 15-20lbs of muscle is highly unlikely. If he did gain 30lbs in 8 weeks naturally, then he would look a lot flabbier than he did.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq282/JAKSaph/christopher_reeve_as_superman.jpg

You can see the bottom of his ribcage very clearly in this shot. His face is very defined, not bloated in any way. He is very lean.

And it's not a case of getting 30lbs heavier, then losing the excess fat, as he would have lost a lot of the weight as a result.

[batman44]

I believe Man of Tomorrow is talking about Luke Macfarlane.

[Astrodust]

Even 15-20lbs of muscle is highly unlikely. If he did gain 30lbs in 8 weeks naturally, then he would look a lot flabbier than he did.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq282/JAKSaph/christopher_reeve_as_superman.jpg

You can see the bottom of his ribcage very clearly in this shot. His face is very defined, not bloated in any way. He is very lean.

And it's not a case of getting 30lbs heavier, then losing the excess fat, as he would have lost a lot of the weight as a result.

Not everyone gains fat in their face. In fact very few people do, usually just endomorphs. As for his bf%. If you can tell his bf% by looking at him wearing a spandex suit you are amazing. If you've ever seen a room full of girls doing yoga in lulu lemon pants you would think they are all lean as hell. Reeve could easily be at 15% bf in that pic. If he was say 8% bf at audition time and he gained 30lbs of weight by production, that is not an unheard of gain of muscle.

People that accuse other people of doing steroids with such little proof are
A: People that don't believe they could achieve the same result
or
B. People that have cheated and don't think others can achieve results without cheating.

[Eze]

Not everyone gains fat in their face. In fact very few people do, usually just endomorphs. As for his bf%. If you can tell his bf% by looking at him wearing a spandex suit you are amazing. If you've ever seen a room full of girls doing yoga in lulu lemon pants you would think they are all lean as hell. Reeve could easily be at 15% bf in that pic. If he was say 8% bf at audition time and he gained 30lbs of weight by production, that is not an unheard of gain of muscle.

People that accuse other people of doing steroids with such little proof are
A: People that don't believe they could achieve the same result
or
B. People that have cheated and don't think others can achieve results without cheating.

Couldn't agree more, besides why would David Prowse lie?