The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 12

Eze

10-14-2010, 03:03 PM

I think you all should just let it go. Who cares what he did, its clear that everyone is too stubborn to change their mind about it. This argument seems to have no end.

Personally, I think it is unrealistic to think he gained it naturally. Thats pretty much impossible. However it doesn't really matter. Let people think what they want.

I like how you tell everyone to let it go before you squeeze in your two cents. CR wasn't trained by some wanna be personal trainer who took an 18 month course on how to get strong at the community college. CR was trained by David Prowse, a champion bodybuilder and weightlifter.

I think it's unrealistic to think all trainers are equal. If your trainer's knowledge is based on books rather than personal experience, they will not be very effective at putting meat on their clients.

Project862006

10-14-2010, 03:05 PM

just saw that leverage episode with Spencer he was fine but he was in the episode for less than 1 minute as one of the main characters boyfriend lol

not much to go on but damn he looks like superman even had the curl again lol also sporting a beard

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4563/0spencer.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7328/1spencer.jpg
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9830/2spencer.jpg

Astrodust

10-14-2010, 03:24 PM

I think you all should just let it go. Who cares what he did, its clear that everyone is too stubborn to change their mind about it. This argument seems to have no end.

Personally, I think it is unrealistic to think he gained it naturally. Thats pretty much impossible. However it doesn't really matter. Let people think what they want.

If you wanted to let it go you shouldn't of added fuel to the fire. Gaining 30lbs in 8 weeks is not impossible. Not even close. We are not talking all muscle. We are talking about 15lbs of muscle with the rest being water and fat. I guarantee that if you put a challenge to 10 athletic people that they had to put on 30lbs in 8 weeks with about half being muscle, most of them could do it. Heck if someone offered you 25 million to try and do it, you would come very close.

Eze

10-14-2010, 03:31 PM

If you wanted to let it go you shouldn't of added fuel to the fire. Gaining 30lbs in 8 weeks is not impossible. Not even close. We are not talking all muscle. We are talking about 15lbs of muscle with the rest being water and fat. I guarantee that if you put a challenge to 10 athletic people that they had to put on 30lbs in 8 weeks with about half being muscle, most of them could do it. Heck if someone offered you 25 million to try and do it, you would come very close.

Factor in that the subject in question doesn't work a day job of any kind, all they do is sleep, eat, and train and success becomes even more likely.

Getting back on topic a bit, I love this Spencer guy for Superman. Not a baby face and he's got a decent acting background for a newcomer. He looks like Superman without looking like CR as someone else pointed out, I think that's a huge plus.

Polux

10-14-2010, 03:34 PM

why would you joke about that

anyways why has this turned into a is he gay or is'nt he?

I joke about being gay all the time, just to see the look on people´s faces...

Most males are amazingly insecure about their own sexuality.

Polux

C. Lee

10-14-2010, 03:52 PM

Guys and girls....the gay talk is getting old. Move on.

TheWatcher

10-14-2010, 04:46 PM

^Agreed. Howz about that height issue?

:o

Krumm

10-14-2010, 04:59 PM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4563/0spencer.jpg

How'd this guy even pop-up? He's done practically zero. Is this a campaign he's just drumming up himself with his friends?

Octoberist

10-14-2010, 05:05 PM

Sometimes, I'm like "Where did this guy come from?" I'm all for newcomers but when there's a consistent campaign for a certain actor that has little to no work, is he really that good for supes?

Polux

10-14-2010, 05:07 PM

Harmon Walsh! Harmon Walsh! Harmon Walsh! :awesome:

(My second pick after Routh, of course :awesome:)

Polux

Krumm

10-14-2010, 05:10 PM

Sometimes, I'm like "Where did this guy come from?" I'm all for newcomers but when there's a consistent campaign for a certain actor that has little to no work, is he really that good for supes?

Exactly, the guy even has a facebook page dedicated to the cause that he or his friend's clearly started.

And I'd hate to say it, but at this point I think Supes needs name to play him (even a minor name will do) just for the box-office boost. It's sad but the general public don't seem to care about him anymore... :csad:

annie.j88

10-14-2010, 05:15 PM

Guys and girls....the gay talk is getting old. Move on.

thank you!!!

oh and the guy above looks tired, hence his baggy eyes

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 05:55 PM

couple more pix of Spence-a-million...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/p_426_320_66BFEDF3-92BD-49A6-AAB2-D2DCB163AB4C.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/30628_398082876791_315723821791_4708435_4597619_n. jpg

SuperMike335!!

10-14-2010, 06:22 PM

Not everyone gains fat in their face. In fact very few people do, usually just endomorphs. As for his bf%. If you can tell his bf% by looking at him wearing a spandex suit you are amazing. If you've ever seen a room full of girls doing yoga in lulu lemon pants you would think they are all lean as hell. Reeve could easily be at 15% bf in that pic. If he was say 8% bf at audition time and he gained 30lbs of weight by production, that is not an unheard of gain of muscle.

People that accuse other people of doing steroids with such little proof are
A: People that don't believe they could achieve the same result
or
B. People that have cheated and don't think others can achieve results without cheating.

Don't tell me you are one of those guys who thinks modern IFBB Pros are 100% drug free. :whatever:

If Reeve gained 15 pounds of fat, 7.5 of muscle, and 7.5 of water, then I would believe he did it naturally.

He sure as hell did NOT LOOK LIKE HE GAINED MOSTLY FAT AND WATER.

You are STILL thinking that if he did use steroids at the time it was cheating.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s NOBODY THOUGHT OF IT AS CHEATING.

Back in 1977 IT WAS NOT CHEATING.

They did not become illegal until 1990!

Pre-1980 they were even though of as perfectly safe.

Why on earth would David Prowse, in 1977, an expert, have not gotten Reeve started, when AAS were though to be perfectly safe?

His client need 30 pounds of muscle, not fat and water.

Obviously you can gain 30 pounds of garbage in 8 weeks.

Reeve did not look like Garbage however.

If you wanted to let it go you shouldn't of added fuel to the fire. Gaining 30lbs in 8 weeks is not impossible. Not even close. We are not talking all muscle. We are talking about 15lbs of muscle with the rest being water and fat. I guarantee that if you put a challenge to 10 athletic people that they had to put on 30lbs in 8 weeks with about half being muscle, most of them could do it. Heck if someone offered you 25 million to try and do it, you would come very close.

What if you asked them to do it, for 25 million at a time when steroids where thought to be 100% safe, AND happened to be 100% legal, AND were not considered cheating?

OBVIOUSLY they would be popping Dianabol like M&M's!

Changeling

10-14-2010, 06:46 PM

I'd support Harmon Walsh if it had to be an unknown.

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 06:51 PM

here's the biggest reason i love the idea of Spencer playing Superman so much...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencer-byrne-compare.jpg

...because Byrne's artistic rendition of Superman is probably my favorite, and Conway is basically Byrne's Superman brought to life.

Castro

10-14-2010, 06:57 PM

Not everyone gains fat in their face. In fact very few people do, usually just endomorphs. .

Is this true? All my weight gain(35-40lbs) went straight to my face and lovehandles and belly, is there a way to get rid of the fat on my face?

Edit: Nevermind, i searched that endomorph which is exactly like me

Endomorphs tend to have strong lower bodies. Although they have under developed deltoids (shoulder muscles), their arms are well developed. They carry their fat in their faces, neck, upper arms, buttocks, hips and stomach. They will have pretty good calves and thigh muscles. The most advantageous fitness programs should address their shortcomings and develop their strengths at the same time.

Endomorphs must stick to a strict diet program for reducing fat from their bodies. Unfortunately, their fat stores are difficult to flush because they have a slower metabolism. They would rather burn muscle than fat. They should never go on a diet without an exercise program included.

The good news is that endomorphs gain muscle easily. Stick with compound exercises to burn fat while building muscle. The only isolation exercise you should do is for the deltoids. Trim as much fat from your body before getting into the more specialized exercises.

Project862006

10-14-2010, 07:14 PM

edit

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 08:12 PM

Snyder just confirmed this film focuses on the early days of Superman.

Goodbye John Hamm.

:D

betamox

10-14-2010, 08:17 PM

I'd support Harmon Walsh if it had to be an unknown.

Yep i agree if it's an unknown i'd support Harmon Walsh

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 08:25 PM

Another Hammer interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXJdcREsP8

He seems like a left-field Ledger-like choice that COULD be good, but would need to transform into the role.

Octoberist

10-14-2010, 08:26 PM

Is Spencer paying DorkyFetish for his endorsement? :p

Octoberist

10-14-2010, 08:28 PM

Another Hammer interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXJdcREsP8

He seems like a left-field Ledger-like choice that COULD be good, but would need to transform into the role.

Hell yeah he would be good and I think he has a good, commanding voice.

Since they're going young with this Superman, I wouldn't mind if was him or Henry Cavill.

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 08:30 PM

They are both mentioned here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvpjICFqVH4

I swear everyone's reading this board.

Changeling

10-14-2010, 08:32 PM

can i see the link where snyder says theyre dealing with a young superman?

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 08:34 PM

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19058098&postcount=2183

SuperMike335!!

10-14-2010, 08:51 PM

This does not mean they should look for boyish actors either however.

They can still find actors who look early 20's who are masculine looking.

I Am The Knight

10-14-2010, 08:51 PM

I don't like that Spencer guy at all. He has that "look" that just seems off to me. Kinda like the guy who played young Clark Kent in Superman The Movie.

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 09:08 PM

This does not mean they should look for boyish actors either however.

They can still find actors who look early 20's who are masculine looking.

As long as the actor can pass as a Year One Superman, there's ALOT of range as far as that look goes.

They can cast mid 20s-mid 30s.

Ryan Reynolds and Bradley Cooper were the finalists for Year One Hal Jordan and they were well into their 30s.

Routh could have passed as a year one Superman in SR, but he still can nowadays despite looking more mature.

There's lots of range as far as the look goes. Could be anything in that age range, but definitely not Jon Hamm.

Red Cherry Lips

10-14-2010, 09:10 PM

Slugster

10-14-2010, 09:25 PM

I'm on the Spencer band wagon the guy has the look the build and you wouldnt even need a hair dresser or contacts

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 09:43 PM

Is Spencer paying DorkyFetish for his endorsement? :p
i WISH, then i wouldn't have to work a 2nd job...

...i've been drawing ever since i was a child so most of the things i'm involved with revolves around visuals, that includes my job. i just happen to find Spencer to be as close to a real life Superman we could possibly get, even more so than Clint Walker or Christopher Reeve. also, the little i've seen of his acting shows a lot of potential. he certainly has charisma (something Routh was lacking) and it seems he can play serious scenes fairly well. on top of that, even though he might not be RIPPED he has a great build that wouldn't take much effort to get in Superman shape for. the ONLY flaw he has (which is only a flaw in the eyes of WB and a select few fans) is that he's an unknown but i don't even hold that against him. he's in theater, which is a major plus to me since both Hugh Jackman and Ian McKellan sprung from theater.

that being said, the reason why i keep bringing him up is because WB seems very intent on casting a named talent for the role and i genuinely think that Nolan and Snyder have the potential to give us a DEFINITIVE Superman that may even surpass Donner's version and i'd just like their production to include the best cast and crew possible. so no, Spencer's not paying me to campaign for him. i'm just keeping his name afloat in the hopes that someone from WB will see him and give him a chance. on top of that, i'm just genuinely amazed at how much this guy looks like Superman. can you argue that ANY of the other candidates looks MORE like Superman??? i'll gladly greet any of those arguments. anyway, if you wanna give me $#!+ for practicing my right to be a fanboy, please feel free. i guess we all have to obsess over something...

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 09:47 PM

His height seems to be in question.

Though, I actually welcome the idea of unknowns as long as they fit the physical requirements for the role.

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 09:51 PM

his height IS in question, but in all the pictures and footage i've seen him in he's either as tall or taller than everyone around him. on top of that his proportions lead me to believe that he's at LEAST 6 feet tall. however, if he happens to be under 6 feet tall i can guarantee he's taller than 5'10 and it would be the only time i would make an exception for a potential actor who is shorter than 6 feet tall.....simply because he's proportioned like a 6 footer.

SuperDaniel

10-14-2010, 09:53 PM

Yeah, i dont think this Spence guy has the look too. He looks too nerdy to be Superman...Maybe its his nose or something. His face is off somehow...

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 09:53 PM

So he's likely Bomer height... which means his missing a pretty big factor I'd say.

If they do get unknowns with no experience, the very least they could do is look the part IMO.

Project862006

10-14-2010, 09:55 PM

he does'nt look short either that or he has extremely long arms
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs882.snc4/71511_162198750466311_161122837240569_454679_34784 36_n.jpg

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 09:57 PM

So he's likely Bomer height... which means his missing a pretty big factor I'd say.
what gives you that idea? i mentioned in my previous post that he's either as tall or TALLER than everyone in his pictures and videos.

If they do get unknowns with no experience, the very least they could do is look the part IMO.
i totally agree...but i think he looks more the part than someone like, say.........Harmon Walsh :cwink: :oldrazz:

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 09:58 PM

what gives you that idea? i mentioned in my previous post that he's either as tall or TALLER than everyone in his pictures and videos.

You mentioned the 5'10-6'0 range. That's Bomer.

i totally agree...but i think he looks more the part than someone like, say.........Harmon Walsh :cwink: :oldrazz:

Walsh is the same height at Routh though.

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 10:17 PM

You mentioned the 5'10-6'0 range. That's Bomer.
i mentioned the 5'10 to 6'0 range because that's a minimum guestimate. he did a strip tease for a sketch and the 3 other guys he was on stage with looked like they ranged from 5'9 to 6 feet and he was the tallest of them all while they were wearing shoes and he was barefoot...so i could just as easily guess that he's anywhere from 6 feet to 6'3. without anything or anyone with definitive height to compare him to, there's just no telling exactly how tall he is....however, using my background in art i'd put a few dollars down to say that he's at LEAST 6 feet tall. again, all the picture and videos i've seen him in show that he's as tall or taller than his fellow thespians and that doesn't usually happen if you're under 6 feet tall.

Walsh is the same height at Routh though.
the particular part of the post i quoted you on mentioned LOOKS, not height. i know Walsh it the same height as Routh, but i think even Routh looks more like Superman than Walsh....and i think Spencer looks more like Superman than Routh. i thought you were talking about looks, in general.

Man of Tomorrow

10-14-2010, 10:34 PM

....and i think Spencer looks more like Superman than Routh.

That one is highly debatable.

DorkyFresh

10-14-2010, 10:40 PM

damn...i thought i edited that post. i meant to edit it because i understood that when you said "looks" you were still talking about height and i previously misunderstood that point and thought you were talking about looks, in general.

anyway, i'm pretty sure that it's NOT debatable that I think Spencer looks more like Superman than Routh :cwink: ...but i see what you're trying to say, and am totally open to that debate.

7heBoss

10-15-2010, 12:21 AM

i know it doesn't really mean anything. but i dont like Spencer's look. There is just something weird and awkward about him. Id would prefer a handful of the candidates we already discuss. Cavill, Bomer, Welling, Manganiello, Walsh, Routh. Any of them.

DorkyFresh

10-15-2010, 12:31 AM

i get that not everyone's gonna like his look...that's fine. honestly, i don't think he's PERFECT. i wish his nose was a tad smaller and his eyes a bit deeper...but imo he looks the most like Superman by far.

SuperDaniel

10-15-2010, 12:51 AM

Hell no...

DorkyFresh

10-15-2010, 12:55 AM

hell yes...

...don't be hatin'

Octoberist

10-15-2010, 01:40 AM

You're like his biggest supporter but has he done anything of interest that we should be checking out?

Astrodust

10-15-2010, 01:43 AM

Is this true? All my weight gain(35-40lbs) went straight to my face and lovehandles and belly, is there a way to get rid of the fat on my face?

Edit: Nevermind, i searched that endomorph which is exactly like me

Endomorphs tend to have strong lower bodies. Although they have under developed deltoids (shoulder muscles), their arms are well developed. They carry their fat in their faces, neck, upper arms, buttocks, hips and stomach. They will have pretty good calves and thigh muscles. The most advantageous fitness programs should address their shortcomings and develop their strengths at the same time.

Endomorphs must stick to a strict diet program for reducing fat from their bodies. Unfortunately, their fat stores are difficult to flush because they have a slower metabolism. They would rather burn muscle than fat. They should never go on a diet without an exercise program included.

The good news is that endomorphs gain muscle easily. Stick with compound exercises to burn fat while building muscle. The only isolation exercise you should do is for the deltoids. Trim as much fat from your body before getting into the more specialized exercises.

I shouldn't have said very few people store fat in their faces as North America has a lot of endomorphs so you are not alone. Aerobic exercises and a good diet plan might be the way to go for you. It helps to find out what your daily calorie maintenance is and eat just under maintenance if you want to lose weight. Make sure the calories are good though and don't over do it on the treats. Believing you can lean up is a start. But fat is not a disease. If you are okay with your appearance and obviously not obese, then it doesn't really matter. Though some moderate exercise each week is part of a healthy lifestyle.

DorkyFresh

10-15-2010, 08:30 AM

You're like his biggest supporter but has he done anything of interest that we should be checking out?
no, but Chris Reeve hadn't done anything significant before he got the role either. just because he hasn't done anything worth noting just yet doesn't mean he's unqualified.

Krumm

10-15-2010, 09:21 AM

True but Superman was THE superhero back then -- not so much anymore. I think he's gonna need a name to get people in the seats and it's unfortunate.

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 09:39 AM

True but Superman was THE superhero back then -- not so much anymore. I think he's gonna need a name to get people in the seats and it's unfortunate.

No Superman is always going to be THE Superhero. Superman most recognized fictional character ahead of Mickey Mouse.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top_Ten_Most_Famous_CartoonComic_Characters
http://fandomania.com/100-greatest-fictional-characters-2-superman/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-343103-most-famous-fictional-characters.html.

He has the most recognizable symbol, as well as the most imitated.
http://www.logoinn.net/logo-articles/fictional-logos-movies-organizations
http://www.logoinn.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/superman-logo.jpg
This logo, or the emblem appears on the Superman’s costume. It is also known as the “S Sheild”. This logo was the first of its kind. It was an attempt to develop a brand image for a comic character. It was first introduced in the very first issue of Action Comics back in 1938. Since then there had been many variations to the original logo but the basic theme remains the same in all Superman movies, animations, tv series. The S in this logo obviously represents superman, the shield is the symbol of protection.

Everyone knows the character in one form or another. He doesn't need to be reintroduced to the ublic because he's never left the public consciousness. Which is why Superman #75 sold 3 million copies.

Daybreak_st

10-15-2010, 09:42 AM

no, but Chris Reeve hadn't done anything significant before he got the role either. just because he hasn't done anything worth noting just yet doesn't mean he's unqualified.

Don't let the other posters discourage you. You found an solid unknown candidate. and a little google search turned up this info:

Spencer Conway (Anthony)

Right-click on this image below to Save a Web-friendly version.
http://www.gregkerr.net/presskit/ff_promo/assets/images_hs/spencerconway.jpg
Spencer Conway is a graduate of the Portland Actors Conservatory. Since graduating, he has performed in more than 30 shows, 10 films and several commercials. He is a member of Sketch Comedy group, The 3rd Floor, with whom he has performed in Chicago and New York in three different shows—on top of being a fan favorite in Portland, Oregon.
Currently, Spencer is wrapping up a 6 week run of Bell, Book and Candle in the role of Shepard Henderson, and has begun rehearsing El Grito Del Bronx with the Miracle Theatre in Portland. Spencer is a proud member of Actors Equity Association, and the Stage Actors Union (AEA). His recent film credits include roles in Not Dead Yet and the Lyons Film production A.S.L (Age, Sex, Location).

The website:

http://www.gregkerr.net/presskit/ff_promo/headshots.html

So the guy not only has the right basic look, he has a theatre background, and graduated from acting academy? Did Reeve have a similar background?

It's a solid find. Don't know which way WB will go, ie with an unknown or not this time, but this guy's name is a nice addition to the thread.

also just found this review for one of his performances:

Using a tart new adaptation by Tom Stoppard (http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Interview/Tom-Stoppard/ba-p/882;jsessionid=10B7DE9AF13369B90A577B0744485D97), Compass Rep plays up the opportunity for comic gesture and emphasis. The approach pays off particularly in the performances of Spencer Conway, who plays the young valet Yasha as a pretty, preening small-time arriviste, and Richard Reiten, gibbering through a cotton-candy cloud of beard as the ancient, ever-dutiful servant Firs.

From this source: http://www.oregonlive.com/performance/index.ssf/2010/05/compass_repertory_theatre_debu.html

afan

10-15-2010, 09:45 AM

Amen, JamalYIgle!
The box office draw is Superman, not the actor who portrays him.

Blackman

10-15-2010, 09:55 AM

It could be a bit of both depending on who they cast

Slugster

10-15-2010, 10:49 AM

Some of you guys would say no to anyone LOL!

Rhiannon

10-15-2010, 11:13 AM

^ Love that picture of Spencer Conway. I'd never heard of him before, but if nothing else, I think he has a great look for the role. Nice find!

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 11:58 AM

^ Love that picture of Spencer Conway. I'd never heard of him before, but if nothing else, I think he has a great look for the role. Nice find!

I agree :up:

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 12:03 PM

No Superman is always going to be THE Superhero. Superman most recognized fictional character ahead of Mickey Mouse.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top_Ten_Most_Famous_CartoonComic_Characters
http://fandomania.com/100-greatest-fictional-characters-2-superman/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-343103-most-famous-fictional-characters.html.

He has the most recognizable symbol, as well as the most imitated.
http://www.logoinn.net/logo-articles/fictional-logos-movies-organizations
http://www.logoinn.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/superman-logo.jpg
This logo, or the emblem appears on the Superman’s costume. It is also known as the “S Sheild”. This logo was the first of its kind. It was an attempt to develop a brand image for a comic character. It was first introduced in the very first issue of Action Comics back in 1938. Since then there had been many variations to the original logo but the basic theme remains the same in all Superman movies, animations, tv series. The S in this logo obviously represents superman, the shield is the symbol of protection.

Everyone knows the character in one form or another. He doesn't need to be reintroduced to the ublic because he's never left the public consciousness. Which is why Superman #75 sold 3 million copies.

True, everywhere you go you will find the \S/ in some form or another, you hum the williams theme an dimmediately people know who's theme your humming and yes Superman is possibly one of the most easily recognisable figures in popular culture....
However, All this was also true back in 2006 when Superman last flew across our cinema screens, and lets be honest he didn't exactly break any box office records did he?
Don't get me wrong i'd love for an unknown to get the part and absolutely own it.. But I have to be honest, perhaps Superman needs a big box office name to get those asses on seats.

Maze

10-15-2010, 12:07 PM

afan

10-15-2010, 12:20 PM

True, everywhere you go you will find the \S/ in some form or another, you hum the williams theme an dimmediately people know who's theme your humming and yes Superman is possibly one of the most easily recognisable figures in popular culture....
However, All this was also true back in 2006 when Superman last flew across our cinema screens, and lets be honest he didn't exactly break any box office records did he?
Don't get me wrong i'd love for an unknown to get the part and absolutely own it.. But I have to be honest, perhaps Superman needs a big box office name to get those asses on seats.

You're ignoring 1978 when Superman proved that a super-hero can be featured in a very successful film.

Daybreak_st

10-15-2010, 12:27 PM

Yup, he seems lke a decent actor too. Maybe in the right hands..

problem, i don't think Snyder is that good with actors ( with some exception like RorshacH.. But Jackie was surely a big factor )and, even if i like a lot Brandon, i feel that this time superman to win audience again has to be played by a great actor, who will be as iconic as Christopher Reeve.

Well Chris Reeve was an unknown in the role and made it iconic b/c he was a good actor. The goal should be to cast a good actor not necessarily a famous one. Very few of the big named actors even have the right look for Superman. At least some of the unknowns like this Conway guy have a solid look for the character.

SR failure had little to do with them using an unknown in the role and everything to do with it not being a very entertaining movie. If it was a better movie, and the character of clark kent had more dialogue, and a well developed personality nobody would've complained about Routh. But it was boring, a rehash, not up to par with other comic films so for the most part people didn't exactly flock to theatres to see. Even so it still had good numbers and many still enjoyed Routh. Him being an unknown was never a factor in the success or failure of the film. Being a good actor and being an unknown aren't mutually exclusive.

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 12:31 PM

You're ignoring 1978 when Superman proved that a super-hero can be featured in a very successful film.

I'm in no way ignoring 1978, however 1978 was a different time.. As far as Superheroes go Superman was the only on on the screen, now he has to compete with..
Batman, Iron man, Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Green Lantern.

Maze

10-15-2010, 12:41 PM

Well Chris Reeve was an unknown in the role and made it iconic b/c he was a good actor. The goal should be to cast a good actor not necessarily a famous one. Very few of the big named actors even have the right look for Superman. At least some of the unknowns like this Conway guy have a solid look for the character.

SR failure had little to do with them using an unknown in the role and everything to do with it not being a very entertaining movie. If it was a better movie, and the character of clark kent had more dialogue, and a well developed personality nobody would've complained about Routh. But it was boring, a rehash, not up to par with other comic films so for the most part people didn't exactly flock to theatres to see. Even so it still had good numbers and many still enjoyed Routh. Him being an unknown was never a factor in the success or failure of the film. Being a good actor and being an unknown aren't mutually exclusive.

Yup didn't say the contrary : unknown, known doesn't matter. And i enjoyed Routh, i like him a lot lot: he looked nice, he was all right, he is very sympathetic, i am not even completly against its potential return, i think he has potential as an actor ..but i'm conflicted about him back as superman because imo for the moment, he is not exactly a great actor and he is not that charismatic, superman need one. and i have my doubts with him directed by a Snyder..

yes superman returns had shortcomings,( but i enjoyed it a lot) and i can understand people not liking it, but even with his qualities, Routh imo was one.Now him being "unknown" was not a factor i agree.

SuperMike335!!

10-15-2010, 12:44 PM

I'm in no way ignoring 1978, however 1978 was a different time.. As far as Superheroes go Superman was the only on on the screen, now he has to compete with..
Batman, Iron man, Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Green Lantern.

Not all of those leads happen to have been big name actors when first cast.

Bale was not exactly on the A list then so far as I can remember, and before X-men it was "who Jackman?", not Hugh Jackman.

For Iron man Robert Downey Jr just has the right look, and it was not his name that got my butt in the seat.

No way to tell if Green Lantern will be good, or flop like a pancake.

The Sage

10-15-2010, 12:45 PM

True, everywhere you go you will find the \S/ in some form or another, you hum the williams theme an dimmediately people know who's theme your humming and yes Superman is possibly one of the most easily recognisable figures in popular culture....
However, All this was also true back in 2006 when Superman last flew across our cinema screens, and lets be honest he didn't exactly break any box office records did he?
Don't get me wrong i'd love for an unknown to get the part and absolutely own it.. But I have to be honest, perhaps Superman needs a big box office name to get those asses on seats.

I don't agree with that. A big box office name isn't needed, but someone's who's virtually unknown isn't necessary either. Perhaps someone that just isn't an A-Lister, someone that's been seen but hasn't made it to the top yet. If he's good enough, if the script, directing, acting, marketing are good then results will speak for themselves. Hopefully.

afan

10-15-2010, 12:47 PM

I'm in no way ignoring 1978, however 1978 was a different time.. As far as Superheroes go Superman was the only on on the screen, now he has to compete with..
Batman, Iron man, Hulk, Spiderman, X-Men, Green Lantern.

All these super-heros existed in '78, yet it was Superman that first made it to the big show. Was it by chance or because his status as the super-hero is the draw.

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 12:53 PM

Not all of those leads happen to have been big name actors when first cast.

Bale was not exactly on the A list then so far as I can remember, and before X-men it was "who Jackman?", not Hugh Jackman.

For Iron man Robert Downey Jr just has the right look, and it was not his name that got my butt in the seat.

No way to tell if Green Lantern will be good, or flop like a pancake.

My point wasn't about actors it was the character..
Superman as a character now has to compete with every other costumed hero on the screen.

I don't agree with that. A big box office name isn't needed, but someone's who's virtually unknown isn't necessary either. Perhaps someone that just isn't an A-Lister, someone that's been seen but hasn't made it to the top yet. If he's good enough, if the script, directing, acting, marketing are good then results will speak for themselves. Hopefully.

Hopefully yes, a good script, director, actor, marketing could.. SHOULD make Supermans next big screen adventure a success.. Without a huge named actor in the title role..

Afterall we want to see Superman.. Not "Wasn't he great in [enter movie name here]" in A supersuit.

My previous post wasn't saying I wanted a big box office name, I was simply saying that perhaps (after the issues with Superman returns) a big name may be needed to draw in the movie goers.

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 12:55 PM

All these super-heros existed in '78, yet it was Superman that first made it to the big show. Was it by chance or because his status as the super-hero is the draw.

True they existed.. But they weren't on the big screen.. Superman wasn't competing in the cinemas as he will be today.

afan

10-15-2010, 01:00 PM

True they existed.. But they weren't on the big screen.. Superman wasn't competing in the cinemas as he will be today.

Neither was Superman. He was the first, and he was the first based on the major draw of the character, as it has been since his creation, across all media.

Adenjo

10-15-2010, 01:03 PM

Neither was Superman. He was the first, and he was the first based on the major draw of the character, as it has been since his creation, across all media.

I think your missing my point, I'm not disputing the fact that Superman was the first and the best, i'm simply saying that with the screen awash with costumed heroes perhaps Superman just being Superman isn't enough to win the war at the box office.

afan

10-15-2010, 01:07 PM

I think your missing my point, I'm not disputing the fact that Superman was the first and the best, i'm simply saying that with the screen awash with costumed heroes perhaps Superman just being Superman isn't enough to win the war at the box office.

If a film is produced that allows Superman to be Superman, it would crush the competition. SR did not do that.

7heBoss

10-15-2010, 01:19 PM

Neither was Superman. He was the first, and he was the first based on the major draw of the character, as it has been since his creation, across all media.

I do have to somewhat agree with adenjo. Superman was more relevent back then. more so than he is today. Everyone knows he is but that doesn't mean they care for him. I LOVE Superman more than any other hero by far. However I would be lying if I said I've never had to defend him. I have to defend him all the time because characters likke Spider-man, Batman, and Ironman are just so well received these days.

However I don't think they need a name to make a successful movie. I think they just need a GOOD movie. That is what puts people in seats. People see it, talk highly about it, and it convince others to see it. Look at avatar. no huge names, and it was a movie about blue aliens. do you think people were like, "blue aliens? now that is relevent! I am seeing this movie!"

7heBoss

10-15-2010, 01:24 PM

Octoberist

10-15-2010, 01:25 PM

also, it came a week before Pirates 2.

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 01:41 PM

However, All this was also true back in 2006 when Superman last flew across our cinema screens, and lets be honest he didn't exactly break any box office records did he?

a 400 million dollar box office nothing to sneeze at. People forget that movies tank for a lot less.

Jonah Hex

Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 13% - Rotten
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $10,547,11

Krumm

10-15-2010, 01:42 PM

Everyone knows the character in one form or another. He doesn't need to be reintroduced to the ublic because he's never left the public consciousness. Which is why Superman #75 sold 3 million copies.

I never said that no one knows who Superman is and I never said he needs to be reintroduced... but thanks for the reading.

This logo was the first of its kind. It was an attempt to develop a brand image for a comic character...Since then there had been many variations to the original logo but the basic theme remains the same in all Superman movies, animations, tv series. The S in this logo obviously represents superman, the shield is the symbol of protection.

The underlying meaning of this is that the :supes: has transended Superman. It's a brand that means "protection" and strength/power. Sure, people know it's Superman but a lot of the time they are thinking about what it means much more so than about who it represents. This is why the sheild is often reappropriated for purposes far beyond him. That's why you'll see it colored with different national flags and why most meatheads who have never opened a comic have it tattooed on their arm -- and there is nothing wrong with that because that means he is that important of a character.

So maybe people do need to reminded of who he really is -- what he is really about.

But as Adenjo has pointed out and what I was saying is that there are more heroes in the general publics consciousness nowadays and they are getting much better treaments in Hollywood like Spidey and Batman (especially after TDK).

Superman was more relevent back then. more so than he is today. Everyone knows he is but that doesn't mean they care for him. I LOVE Superman more than any other hero by far. However I would be lying if I said I've never had to defend him. I have to defend him all the time because characters likke Spider-man, Batman, and Ironman are just so well received these days.

Words right out of my mouth. And I would keep going but the conversation has evolved on it's own.

But I will say that I agree afan, I don't think he needs a mega-star but he does need someone who is somewhat recognizable and not someone who was on a TNT show for a hot second.

Krumm

10-15-2010, 01:43 PM

a 400 million dollar box office nothing to sneeze at. People forget that movies tank for a lot less.

Jonah Hex

Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 13% - Rotten
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $10,547,11

Yeah but the return on the investment wasn't what they were expecting. They were expecting to get a lot more for their money.

Dark Knight

10-15-2010, 01:50 PM

also, it came a week before Pirates 2.

Yeah, setting the release date only a week after Pirates was not a wise move.

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 02:11 PM

Yeah but the return on the investment wasn't what they were expecting. They were expecting to get a lot more for their money.

you can expect a lot of things, doesn't mean it's going to have to happen. Based of the BO of Batman Beginms, were they expecting to make a billion dollars? No, the weren't.They were happy that it did. Just because it didn't meet some imagined return, it turned a profit. That's all that matters.
Iron Man 2 did really well but probably didn't reach the level they were thinking it would as well since it only made 100 million more than the first movie.

Krumm

10-15-2010, 02:14 PM

you can expect a lot of things, doesn't mean it's going to have to happen.

That's pretty close to the definition of "disappointment."

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 02:22 PM

That's pretty close to the definition of "disappointment."

No that's called "reality of investment"
Also a correction. Iron man 2 only made 40 million dollars more than Iron Man 1

C. Lee

10-15-2010, 02:22 PM

oh, and i forgot to add. The reason superman returns wasn't a box office smash wasn't because they needed a big name. and it wasn't because superman's relevance. its because Superman returns was un-amazing. It was slow and had a ridiculous story. So no one is going to go around endorsing it or have multiple repeat viewing.
My son actually had me take him to see Ang Lee's HULK 3 times at the theater......from the first pic of the suit used in SR he had no interest in seeing it. I couldn't get him to go for him to even complain about the story.
a 400 million dollar box office nothing to sneeze at. People forget that movies tank for a lot less.

Jonah Hex

Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 13% - Rotten
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $10,547,11

I try to see as many comic book based movies at the theater as I can...but when I saw the trailer for Jonah Hex and they showed that he talked to the dead....I passed. That didn't happen in any of the books I read.

Spider-jedi

10-15-2010, 02:24 PM

i haven't been here for a while but i must say some of the suggestions people are making for superman are simply terrible. after seeing what has been brought to the table by the fans on this forum. i would have to go back to routh. he is a far better choice than what i have seen

Krumm

10-15-2010, 02:28 PM

you can expect a lot of things, doesn't mean it's going to have to happen.

No that's called "reality of investment"

dis·ap·point (dhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-pointhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif)
v. dis·ap·point·ed, dis·ap·point·ing, dis·ap·points
v.tr. 1. To fail to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of.

It didn't meet expectations -- it's a fact so deal with it.

And let it be known I like the film -- I saw it 5 times in the theaters. But I didn't pour millions into so I can't say that it was a financial success just because I liked it.

flickchick85

10-15-2010, 02:56 PM

I think your missing my point, I'm not disputing the fact that Superman was the first and the best, i'm simply saying that with the screen awash with costumed heroes perhaps Superman just being Superman isn't enough to win the war at the box office.
I think Superman being Superman kicking intergalactic a** would be plenty to win at the box office. Superman fighting a rich dude with a nefarious real-estate scheme? Not so much.

By being so beholden to Donner's original film, Singer's #1 crime was thinking small. That's my theory, anyway. :woot:

Rust

10-15-2010, 03:04 PM

Yeah, Snyder needs to have FUN with this one and letting loose. Of course, that's probably not gonna be a problem. I actually fear he and WB will go overboard in grotesque action and villainy to compensate for the lack of everything in SR.

Astrodust

10-15-2010, 03:29 PM

a 400 million dollar box office nothing to sneeze at. People forget that movies tank for a lot less.

Jonah Hex

Rotten Tomatoes Rating: 13% - Rotten
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $10,547,11

400 million is not very much when you consider that your film cost 200+ million to make and you only get half of the ticket sales.

GreenKToo

10-15-2010, 03:37 PM

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 06:33 PM

400 million is not very much when you consider that your film cost 200+ million to make and you only get half of the ticket sales.

Plus merchandising+cable+DVD+Blue ray.
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $200,120,000
International Gross $191,000,000
Worldwide Gross $391,120,000
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $81,581,540
400,000
Gross in IMAX theaters: $22,800,000
Cable TV Rights (FX): 12% of domestic gross, capped between $17m and $25m
Translation: A lot of money. not including TOYS, T- Shirts, etc.
trust me, the only people who think it was a disappointment are people trying to justify their hate.

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 06:34 PM

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v. dis·ap·point·ed, dis·ap·point·ing, dis·ap·points
v.tr. 1. To fail to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of.

It didn't meet expectations -- it's a fact so deal with it.

And let it be known I like the film -- I saw it 5 times in the theaters. But I didn't pour millions into so I can't say that it was a financial success just because I liked it.

I can. Because when you know the numbers and hear the talk inside, you know they weren't dissapointed.

Eze

10-15-2010, 06:50 PM

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v. dis·ap·point·ed, dis·ap·point·ing, dis·ap·points
v.tr. 1. To fail to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of.

It didn't meet expectations -- it's a fact so deal with it.

And let it be known I like the film -- I saw it 5 times in the theaters. But I didn't pour millions into so I can't say that it was a financial success just because I liked it.

The biggest disappointment about SR was the corner Singer painted them into with his broken home love triangle between Richard, Clark and Lois, with a little b@st@rd waiting in the wings. WB couldn't make a franchise outta that mess.

Sub-Zero

10-15-2010, 07:09 PM

The biggest disappointment about SR was the corner Singer painted them into with his broken home love triangle between Richard, Clark and Lois, with a little b@st@rd waiting in the wings. WB couldn't make a franchise outta that mess.

sure they could, but the kid and richard would have to be killed off in the next one. but they never should've been created in teh first place.

returns should've been superman begins. i think we're kinda getting that now. hopefully...

a certain brit actor who shall remain nameless is a pretty good option.

Eze

10-15-2010, 07:19 PM

sure they could, but the kid and richard would have to be killed off in the next one. but they never should've been created in teh first place.

In no way is that an acceptable Superman plot. Superman let his son die? Superman is clear to make moves on Widow? Widow Lois relieved she doesn't have to choose anymore? There is no plausible sequel to SR, without fundamentally changing iconic characters for the worse.

returns should've been superman begins. i think we're kinda getting that now. hopefully...

a certain brit actor who shall remain nameless is a pretty good option.

I'm hoping for SB too, but I dunno, british Superman feels as wrong as american James Bond, but that's just me.

SuperMike335!!

10-15-2010, 07:32 PM

I don't think they need a name to make a successful movie. I think they just need a GOOD movie. That is what puts people in seats. People see it, talk highly about it, and it convince others to see it. Look at avatar. no huge names, and it was a movie about blue aliens. do you think people were like, "blue aliens? now that is relevent! I am seeing this movie!"

Very good point with Avatar. I don't recall any big names, and the blue giant indians were not a draw in and of themselves.

They just made an entertaining movie.

SuperMike335!!

10-15-2010, 07:48 PM

I can. Because when you know the numbers and hear the talk inside, you know they weren't dissapointed.

I did not know you were a WB insider.

Well, none of that changes the fact that they ARE rebooting Superman.

JamalYIgle

10-15-2010, 08:38 PM

I did not know you were a WB insider.

Well, none of that changes the fact that they ARE rebooting Superman.
Whatever helps you feel better.

Krumm

10-15-2010, 08:43 PM

Whatever helps you feel better.

Exactly.

SuperMike335!!

10-15-2010, 09:05 PM

Whatever helps you feel better.

Whatever helps YOU feel better:cmad:

:woot:

Project862006

10-15-2010, 10:25 PM

still want Armie Hammer for this role he has

the size
the acting
the voice
the age

for the story i believe they want to tell

C. Lee

10-15-2010, 11:05 PM

Get this clear boys and girls....the trolling and fighting needs to stop. I just put one guy on probation for continuing to troll and instigate fights by posting he wants Welling in this forum....and the next one who replies to a post like that with attacks on Welling gets probation too....because all that is doing is trolling and continuing a fight.

Everyone needs to grow up.

gdw

10-15-2010, 11:42 PM

So, I just saw The Social Network. GREAT film, and solid performances by EVERYONE.

I am definitely looking forward to Garfield in Spider-man. He comes across much younger than he does in still pictures.

Any who, as for Armie Hammer, he was great as well. I am not certain of him for Superman though. Sure, he's a good actor, and has the height, and could easily get the build, but I don't see it in the face.

Now, the over all shape might change a bit if he tones up, but I just don't know. Then again, there was a lot of hesitation (from fan's/public) about Reeve's look too.

I know he's not been cast or anything, but he has serious acting chops, so I'd like to think he's on their radar.

I think, unless the cast someone under 6 feet, and/or a poor actor, I'll be reserving judgment until I see something.

Octoberist

10-15-2010, 11:52 PM

I did not know you were a WB insider.

Well, none of that changes the fact that they ARE rebooting Superman.

The dude works for DC, so I think he knows what he's talking about :)

solidsnake86

10-16-2010, 01:47 AM

Whatever helps YOU feel better:cmad:

:woot:

You do realize he is actually one of the artists for dc comics so I would think he knows a little bit more then the rest of us. I do have a question for Jamal though, why do they keep on going back to green arrows costume with the hat when there are a lot of better options? That's besides the point though. Where exactly did these figures of a movie having to make triple it's budget at the box office to break even. Logically if you take that at face value the studios would loose money on every film and last time I checked, they manage to turn a profit on mostly everything or else they would go bankrupt.

Red Cherry Lips

10-16-2010, 04:21 AM

still want Armie Hammer for this role he has

the size
the acting
the voice
the age

for the story i believe they want to tell

Hope this ship gets considered. :up:

GreenKToo

10-16-2010, 06:46 AM

You know, they could make a damn movie in itself on all the troubles superman on film has had over the last few years. I kid of course, but not really.

Anywho, just my opinion here, SR did turn a profit, but with the fans split over it, and just 'ok' DvD sales, WB probably thought it too much of a risk to go with a sequel.
IF B.B. hadnt of had great DvD sales, then we prolly wouldnt have gotten TDK either.

With SR, the bad thing is, it will probably be several years before we hear for sure what really want on and the reasons why.

BH/HHH

10-16-2010, 06:55 AM

"As I already explained, the film will be focused on the early days of Superman. It will not have links with the other films. This will not be a remake. Again, even though I can't talk about the story
, I can assure you that this new Superman will not be based on any particular comic book."

Good at least that means John Hamm's out, I'm hoping fro Rick Malambri

Maze

10-16-2010, 07:05 AM

Too "unknown" maybe? FilmNerdJamie heard that they are looking for known actors.

GreenKToo

10-16-2010, 07:06 AM

I'm thinking Hammer.

Maze

10-16-2010, 07:37 AM

Yup, he is surely on the radar.

Very good actor, but i'm not sold for the moment that he could really own the part physically, : Too young physically, weak chin. dunno.

Red Cherry Lips

10-16-2010, 07:58 AM

I'm thinking Hammer.

Hope he at least gets an audition. :yay:

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 08:37 AM

Too "unknown" maybe? FilmNerdJamie heard that they are looking for known actors.

We have no idea HOW known is known, and how Unknown is unknown.

For all we know, until Jamie gives any more info, is C list may still count.

Maze

10-16-2010, 09:43 AM

That's why i said maybe ;)

Now imo, Malambri is not what I would call known.

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 10:05 AM

That's why i said maybe ;)

Now imo, Malambri is not what I would call known.

Would you consider Joe Manganiello "known"?

Maze

10-16-2010, 10:09 AM

He had a little exposure with true blood, and in a lot of magazines and sites. He is beginning to be a "face", the guy from true blood. Maybe he fit the bill, i dunno.

kittypryde

10-16-2010, 12:05 PM

allison miller as lois lane

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/61/600fullallisonmiller.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/256/allisonmiller.jpg

DaJanksta

10-16-2010, 12:11 PM

allison miller as lois lane

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/61/600fullallisonmiller.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/256/allisonmiller.jpg

Yucky. lol. Not a fan.

ED FTW. She was smokin last night.

kittypryde

10-16-2010, 12:12 PM

Yucky. lol. Not a fan.

ED FTW. She was smokin last night.

why yuck ?

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 12:25 PM

why yuck ?

Heck for that matter WHY not put in the correct thread? :cwink:

batlovescatDC

10-16-2010, 12:27 PM

^You have to stare at the pictures for quite a while to notice any cuteness whatsoever. When you first scroll down and land on her, her face is quite a bit of shock actually.

kittypryde

10-16-2010, 01:03 PM

^You have to stare at the pictures for quite a while to notice any cuteness whatsoever. When you first scroll down and land on her, her face is quite a bit of shock actually.

her face a bit shock lol i think she is fit for part

Project862006

10-16-2010, 01:30 PM

does this look like the lois lane thread lol

kittypryde

10-16-2010, 01:55 PM

does this look like the lois lane thread lol

no but it superman casting thread among other character

DaJanksta

10-16-2010, 02:16 PM

why yuck ?
Don't like her. That's it really. lol.

gdw

10-16-2010, 02:49 PM

no but it superman casting thread among other character

No, it's not for other characters. If it was, why would there be a separate thread for that?

Red Cherry Lips

10-16-2010, 03:53 PM

no but it superman casting thread among other character

There's a Lois Lane Casting thread here (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312053&page=185). This thread is only for casting Clark Kent/Kal-El/Superman.

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 05:57 PM

addressing the name vs unknown topic....i honestly don't care if it's a name or an unknown. if there happened to be a movie STAR who happened to fit Superman to a "T" then by all means get him. unfortunately, there's no one like that. i just want to see Superman when i watch the movie. personally, i'd rather see who looks and acts the most like Superman regardless of how populer/unpopular they are. after all, that's how Chris Reeve was able to get the role....they got the guy who looks and acts the most like Superman. i wasn't sold on any one particular guy for Superman up until Spencer was brought up. i had a top choice, but none of them impressed me enough to go "OMG, that guy IS Superman!!!" Routh looks great for the part but lacks charisma, Hammer has a lot of charisma but doesn't particularly look the part (he's also perhaps too loud and crude for Superman), and Cavill has a good grasp on acting but doesn't FULLY look the part. however, Spencer not only looks a lot like the part, but also seems able to play all aspects of the personalities that make up the sum character of Superman. on top of that he has a great natural build as well...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/4166809215_a708d0cd99_b.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/hot-in-the-zipper.jpg

...again, i realize that they might be looking for a name. it seems like Nolan and WB want to go the safe route and do EVERYTHING differently from SR, but personally...i just want to see the best actor for the role, and in my honest, genuine opinion Spencer Conway is that guy.

Man of Tomorrow

10-16-2010, 06:00 PM

TheWatcher

10-16-2010, 06:06 PM

Conway looks the part better than anyone else IMHO.

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 06:12 PM

I don't think it's necessarily the safe route, but the fast route.

I get the impression they're rushing this project like crazy.

Maybe they don't have time to do a nation wide casting call like they did when Routh was involved.
i understand they're under a tight deadline but if that's true then that's a shame.

Conway looks the part better than anyone else IMHO.
definitely...he looks macho without looking douchey.

Don't let the other posters discourage you. You found an solid unknown candidate.
thanks...but Project862006 was the one that brought him to the attention of the forum. i'm just expressing my strong opinion that he's the best one for the role.

Project862006

10-16-2010, 06:24 PM

it depends what they go after acting or looks

Snyder cast well in both categories with

Jackie Earl Haley
Jefferey Dean Morgan
Patrick Wilson
Gerard Butler
Billy Crudup

TheWatcher

10-16-2010, 06:43 PM

If Conway can act,then he is 100% PERFECT!

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 07:25 PM

I'd like to know how tall Conway is.

He does "look" like he has the proportions of a taller man.

My guess is he is not shorter than 6'1", and likely no taller than 6'6".

I say this as he has a broad chest, long torse, long arms and legs, and his head looks "relatively" small compared to his body.

I would be very surprised if he were under 6'1''.

TheWatcher

10-16-2010, 07:28 PM

I'd say about 6'2. Which is fine by me.

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 07:54 PM

If Conway can act,then he is 100% PERFECT!

http://www.oregonlive.com/performance/index.ssf/2009/10/fool_for_love_explodes_with_em.html

As Eddie, Chris Harder dances through this minefield with a cowboy's crooked gait and a crocodile grin, relishing his gamesmanship. He really captures Eddie's combination of rough allure and sly menace in a performance that's as unsettling as it is wonderful to watch.

As May, Val Landrum lurches between despair over him and disdain for him, along the way shifting from frump to femme fatale to fighter. Tim Stapleton, best known as a scenic designer (and he's nailed the cruddy details of the motel room, down to the cracked, dirt-streaked plaster) does terrific double duty here as an actor, by turns whimsical, proud and cranky as the Old Man, a sort of dream-like presence who speaks to both Eddie and May. And Spencer Conway, as May's mild-mannered new suitor Martin, represents more rational modern ways with a kind of Clark Kent handsomeness and slight air of befuddlement.

btw, he won a Drammy (Portland Theatre Award) for his work in this play.

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 07:54 PM

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 08:32 PM

i'mnot a big fan of this armie hammer guy. i never heard of him, but it seems like a fan favorite in this thread. so, i looked him up. i dunno, i don't see it.

now this joe M guy from true blood on the other hand, i definitely think we have something here :up:

I'm fine with it if Joe Manganiello gets it. The only thing I'm not crazy about with his appearance is the dent on the left side of his nose. The makeup team could easily hide it however.

Joe's look would be a break from the Reeve look, and in a way that may be a good thing, as it would not seem like they are trying to copy Reeve.
Manganiello also looks a lot like the Superman from Birthright.

I do think it would be a shame if WB did not at least let a couple very unknown wild card suggestions, like Spencer Conway, screen test too.

Strider14

10-16-2010, 08:39 PM

Trouble with Joe now, is that he doesn't fit the right look for an earlier Superman, which is what Snyder has said they are going with now. I am really liking Conway the more I learn about him.

SuperMike335!!

10-16-2010, 08:51 PM

Trouble with Joe now, is that he doesn't fit the right look for an earlier Superman, which is what Snyder has said they are going with now. I am really liking Conway the more I learn about him.

Joe looks plenty young enough for an early superman. He does not look aged, and does look a bit younger without the beard, while still looking masculine and strong.

I agree on Conway. For Sure. He has a great look, and I certainly think they should give him a screen test too if he wants one.

He is not my favorite for the role, but I do not fall into the trap of hating one actor because he is not the exact #1 choice I want.

Honestly I would be perfectly happy if we got someone who has acting talent and the looks of Conway. I'd like to know how tall he is.

Karelia

10-16-2010, 09:14 PM

I've always thought Joe M. would be a good pick. I just haven't seen many picks that I have thought "WOW, that's Superman right there!"

Project862006

10-16-2010, 09:26 PM

flickchick85

10-16-2010, 09:27 PM

Yeah, I like Joe M, but if Snyder's comments rule out Jon Hamm, then I'm pretty sure they'd rule him out, too:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1585/jmsisterhood0725.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6659/jmgettyimage.jpg

By no stretch of the imagination could he be considered a "young" Superman. So I'm back to crossing my fingers for a certain young Brit.

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:30 PM

I'm fine with it if Joe Manganiello gets it. The only thing I'm not crazy about with his appearance is the dent on the left side of his nose. The makeup team could easily hide it however.

Joe's look would be a break from the Reeve look, and in a way that may be a good thing, as it would not seem like they are trying to copy Reeve.
Manganiello also looks a lot like the Superman from Birthright.

I do think it would be a shame if WB did not at least let a couple very unknown wild card suggestions, like Spencer Conway, screen test too.

Joe M i consider to be a huge unknown wild card. hell, even christian bale was arguable a unknown. this guy is MUCH less famous than he was.

i agree with the break from "reeve" look. although i still think routh was the most perfect cast in a terrible movie. but they wanted him to imitate Reeves essentially

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:31 PM

Joe just looks too Italian for superman imo and does'nt have the all american look

like some said earlier when i look at him i imagine him living in the Bronx working at his father's auto shop and he is just too goodefella for me lol

Maybe, when he has the beard and a really dark tan. but in general, he definitely has the all-American look (IMO at least). Are you italian? people of the same race tend to recognize others from their race or region. as a non-italian, he doesn't look particularly italian to me. unlike gandalfini or many of the cast of sopranos.

http://www.trueblood-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/joe_manganiello_20090703a.jpg

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:35 PM

Joe looks plenty young enough for an early superman. He does not look aged, and does look a bit younger without the beard, while still looking masculine and strong.

I agree on Conway. For Sure. He has a great look, and I certainly think they should give him a screen test too if he wants one.

He is not my favorite for the role, but I do not fall into the trap of hating one actor because he is not the exact #1 choice I want.

Honestly I would be perfectly happy if we got someone who has acting talent and the looks of Conway. I'd like to know how tall he is.

i know. why do we do this? it is a strange phenomenon. they also defend their #1 choice like he is their family. it is strange.

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 09:39 PM

my one and only problem with Joe has ever been his nose. he seems like a sufficient actor (maybe) but his nose prevents him from looking like a good guy.

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:43 PM

whats wrong with the nose?

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 09:46 PM

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:52 PM

it's hooked and pointy. it gives off a villainous look. i honestly don't care about the dent on one side (Routh's nose wasn't perfectly even either)...i just think the way it hooks and the way it's so pointy makes him look sort of sinister, even if he really isn't.

i guess? have to say, that is one of the weirdest criticism i've read on these boards. and being on these boards for many years, i really thought i heard em all.

but easily solvable with appropriate makeup. you can blend it in such so that it looks smoother. as the other way, where you can put shadows to make it look pointy.

and maybe it's not a bad idea to have someone who "looks" evil be really the good guy, and the other way around, to create an interesting dynamic

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 09:57 PM

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 09:58 PM

about the age thing, i actually think he would be good. he is 33, and since superman is around 30 when he officially takes the mantle, why do people feel he can't be a good candidate.

hamm has a more mature look. ultimately, age doesn't matter. it's the look. Reeve was 25 but i would have NEVER guessed that. Bale was 31, but he played a college student and the first year of batman.

Project862006

10-16-2010, 09:59 PM

i just dont think he looks like superman lol

you can be built and be 6'5 and still not give off a supes vibe and he does'nt give me that vibe

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 10:01 PM

Slugster

10-16-2010, 10:03 PM

Joe would not be a good superman and it aint just his nose!

M.O.Steel

10-16-2010, 10:06 PM

i just dont think he looks like superman lol

you can be built and be 6'5 and still not give off a supes vibe and he does'nt give me that vibe

well i never thought he was a good choice either based on the beard shirtless shoot he did. i was surprised people even considered him.

but seeing his other pics, he wouldn't be a bad choice IMO. Many recommend Armie Hammer, and i just don't see him either.

i just hope they find a good guy. Synder has a good eye for this stuff. i woudln't have picked Butler for leonidas based on candid pics, or patrick wilson for nite owl based on his other work. or crudup as manhattan.

so i trust him.

DorkyFresh

10-16-2010, 10:29 PM

makeup and lighting can make a HUGE difference.
true, but there's only so much those 2 things can do. you can shoot certain perspectives, fudge the makeup and the lighting, etc....but at the end of the day his nose is still going to be hooked and pointy. i don't mean to sound snotty or high and mighty, but i currently work with smaller video productions so i know a bit about makeup/lighting/camera angles...and from my experiences Joe's nose would STILL look hooked and pointy in a high end production no matter how much makeup and professional lighting you put on him. look.......it's not a huge deal, i'm just saying that his nose is the only thing preventing him from having a perfect Superman look.

but seeing his other pics, he wouldn't be a bad choice IMO. Many recommend Armie Hammer, and i just don't see him either.
ah...well there's something we can agree on :)

flickchick85

10-16-2010, 11:21 PM

it's a shallow criticism, but Hollywood is shallow anyway. as for makeup...there's only so much it can do to hide a hooked, pointy nose. it's not like makeup can change the shape of the nose, it can only change or hide textures. a prosthetic can change the shape of facial features, but adding a prosthetic would probably just make it look worse since his nose is already prominent. also pertaining to Superman looking evil......i'd rather not. he's supposed to be a boyscout. unless he's being controlled by a villain, he shouldn't look evil.

anyway, again, my only gripe about Joe is his nose. it doesn't look as bad on video but it's still a problem for me, especially since i'm very visual person.
I get your point (and even agree to an extent), but like you said, it looks fine on video (I never notice it on True Blood). The only problem would be in promotional photos, but he has PLENTY of angles that work for him where it doesn't stand out (like the 2nd one I posted that's head-on), so that wouldn't be much of a problem. As I said, at this point, I think the age and maturity of his look is the biggest factor working against him. Aside from a bad angle or two, I really think his nose resembles that of the Birthright Supes:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6452/supesbirthright3.jpg

So it doesn't really bother me.

And M.O.Steel, I agree that 33 isn't too old (as I've mentioned in the past I would prefer an older, manlier Supes), but if Snyder's looking for someone who hasn't become Superman yet, I just don't think Joe has the youthful look that would require. Yes, he could pass for 30, but is Clark really NOT gonna be Superman yet by age 30? That just seems...unlikely.

Dark Knight

10-16-2010, 11:51 PM

If they go for a Superman under age 30.....Cavill should be the choice.

If they want an over 30 Supes, but under 40 and more mature looking.....Hamm is the way to go.

I don't like Joe M or Armie Hammer at all as Supes.

flickchick85

10-16-2010, 11:55 PM

If they go for a Superman under age 30.....Cavill should be the choice.

I don't like ... Armie Hammer at all as Supes.

Well, we at least agree on those two points. :yay:

echostation

10-16-2010, 11:55 PM

M.O. Steel, who is the girl in your avatar! she's pretty hot!

Project862006

10-17-2010, 12:09 AM

I like hammer he has an unconventional look for Superman does'nt look exactly like Clark but neither did Eckhart for Dent, Cillian for Scarecrow or Heath For Joker

JosephCAW

10-17-2010, 12:33 AM

M.O. Steel, who is the girl in your avatar! she's pretty hot!

thats Megan Fox dude, from "How Lose Friends and Alienate People" I think

Dark Knight

10-17-2010, 01:02 AM

I like hammer he has an unconventional look for Superman does'nt look exactly like Clark but neither did Eckhart for Dent, Cillian for Scarecrow or Heath For Joker

I think Hammer looks to soft for Superman and is too young at only 23-24 years of age.

He is also still unproven when it comes to his range and his ability to carry a film and be a lead in a BIG time film.

Eze

10-17-2010, 01:18 AM

DCnightwing23

10-17-2010, 01:31 AM

To be honest Hammer is one of the better actors mentioned as Superman, but i dont think he's right for the role. I know he's 6"5 but i dont see it in his presence and in his face as well, he doesnt have that strong jaw that we need for superman, and his eyebrows are too thin, and his forehead is too big. He would be right for superman, but trust me this guy doesnt need superman he has a long career ahead of him. He's no superman imo and ive seen nothing to say he would be right, from manips to actual footage and trust me ive seen social network.

Dark Knight

10-17-2010, 01:50 AM

To be honest Hammer is one of the better actors mentioned as Superman

One of the better actors??

Come on....lets not reach.

Dark Knight

10-17-2010, 01:54 AM

I'll say, what would the founding fathers say if we cast a Brit as Superman?:whatever:

Waaahhhhhhh......:waa:

Sawyer

10-17-2010, 01:55 AM

I'm still not on board with Manganiello at all, as much as I may like him.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 03:07 AM

I'll say, what would the founding fathers say if we cast a Brit as Superman?:whatever:
What would the founding fathers say if we cast a Kryptonian as Superman? Oh wait...

annie.j88

10-17-2010, 03:09 AM

who nose why i dont like Manganiello for the role.......
:cwink:

M.O.Steel

10-17-2010, 09:46 AM

I get your point (and even agree to an extent), but like you said, it looks fine on video (I never notice it on True Blood). The only problem would be in promotional photos, but he has PLENTY of angles that work for him where it doesn't stand out (like the 2nd one I posted that's head-on), so that wouldn't be much of a problem. As I said, at this point, I think the age and maturity of his look is the biggest factor working against him. Aside from a bad angle or two, I really think his nose resembles that of the Birthright Supes:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6452/supesbirthright3.jpg

So it doesn't really bother me.

And M.O.Steel, I agree that 33 isn't too old (as I've mentioned in the past I would prefer an older, manlier Supes), but if Snyder's looking for someone who hasn't become Superman yet, I just don't think Joe has the youthful look that would require. Yes, he could pass for 30, but is Clark really NOT gonna be Superman yet by age 30? That just seems...unlikely.

but the average age of superman tends to be 33. in the Donnerverse (absolutely not saying that it be used), he went in FOS at 18 and came out 12 years later. Smallville (again, not endorsing), he is about 10 years from the middle of HS, so around 28 ish. even if they do an origin story, they will show him as a younger person in "make-up/look" (just like bale in BB as a college student). but when he takes the mantle, he would be around 30. especially if he show him travelling around the world and stuff after college.

i think it would be a better story to show him as a maturing man who realizes that the world needs someone like him, instead of him graduating college and jumping right into becoming superman because of a naive sense of responsibility.

people often cite origin as young. it doesnt have to be. spiderman is really the only one that placed that placed origin as a really young person. Batman's origin is 33, Bond's origin is 38, Iron Man is 43.
i think of origin as the first episode of the superhero, not necessarily when the superhero was young

M.O.Steel

10-17-2010, 09:47 AM

M.O. Steel, who is the girl in your avatar! she's pretty hot!

thats Megan Fox dude, from "How Lose Friends and Alienate People" I think
:up:

M.O.Steel

10-17-2010, 09:50 AM

I'll say, what would the founding fathers say if we cast a Brit as Superman?:whatever:

batman is welsh. wolverine is australian. new spiderman a brit.

GreenKToo

10-17-2010, 09:54 AM

I'll say, what would the founding fathers say if we cast a Brit as Superman?:whatever:
They would prolly say, ''what's a superman?''

JAK®

10-17-2010, 10:05 AM

batman is welsh. wolverine is australian. new spiderman a brit.
Christian Bale counts as a Brit also. What you are saying is technically correct, but Wales is one of the countries that make up Great Britain. So it's strange to specify one country for Bale but not do so for Garfield.

M.O.Steel

10-17-2010, 10:31 AM

Christian Bale counts as a Brit also. What you are saying is technically correct, but Wales is one of the countries that make up Great Britain. So it's strange to specify one country for Bale but not do so for Garfield.

i did that because i did not know where garfield is specifically from. it wasn't to say that bale is welsh, and garfield is from another place called Great Britain even if that could be grammatically deduced. it was just actors and associated places i could think of off the top of my head and i just listed them.

are you one of those people that probably correct grammar and punctuation marks?:whatever: this is a forum discussion, not a dissertation.

M.O.Steel

10-17-2010, 10:41 AM

They would prolly say, ''what's a superman?''

or "wow, you made contact with aliens in the future? he must be american i presume?"

JAK®

10-17-2010, 10:46 AM

i did that because i did not know where garfield is specifically from. it wasn't to say that bale is welsh, and garfield is from another place called Great Britain even if that could be grammatically deduced. it was just actors and associated places i could think of off the top of my head and i just listed them.

are you one of those people that probably correct grammar and punctuation marks?:whatever: this is a forum discussion, not a dissertation.
I was just correcting you because it's a common mistake. I don't correct grammar.

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 10:55 AM

Rust

10-17-2010, 10:58 AM

Still looks kinda strange with all that "cosmetic" trickery. Sorry...

I'd prefer someone who didnt need "make-up" so to speak.

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 11:35 AM

Still looks kinda strange with all that "cosmetic" trickery. Sorry...

I'd prefer someone who didnt need "make-up" so to speak.

"All the?" Just blue eyes and an un-****ed nose dent. That is nothing compared to most Hollywood "trickery" done to a lot of actors in a lot of movies. :cwink: Obviously, as its an amateur photoshop job, most/all manips are.

It is impossible to really make it look like he really would with such makeup, hair, eyes, and costume really on in a photoshoot, or on film. All any manip can do is give you a "rough idea".

If you want someone who does not need any makeup to play Superman, go clone Clint Walker. For that matter the makeup team would still go to work on our clone, as they do that with ALL actors. You would be shocked what a lot of the so called "really good looking" actors you see in most movies really look like in person.

There is a reason most of them do not like to be in candid photos. You would be shocked how much even one shot from one angle, that you only see for 10 seconds of a TV show is an entire production in and of itself. The makeup team always goes to work on actors. That is how I view most of the actors suggested. I think "how good could they possibly look, with the Hollywood work done on them".

I try to think "how could this work" or "what could be done to make this work", vs. outright rejecting what at first seems like an unconventional idea or appearance. For some reason Joe M. looks like he would work to me. The appearance is a break from the Reeve look, while still keeping the strong masculine look.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 11:51 AM

great manip, SuperMike! if i was still in college i could totally see myself loving the thought of Joe as Supes after seeing that manip, but honestly my tastes have been refined since then. you did a good job of making his nose not stand out, but unfortunately he's got something funky going on with his eyes. i think making his eyes bright blue in attempt to make him look less villainous actually ended up making him look scarier. there's also something weird going on with the outer corners of his eyes. still....great manip and it shows Joe's visual potential as Supes!

If you want someone who does not need any makeup to play Superman, go clone Clint Walker.
or you could just get Spencer Conway :cwink: :woot: :oldrazz:

For some reason Joe M. looks like he would work to me. The appearance is a break from the Reeve look, while still keeping the strong masculine look.
i feel the same way for Spencer Conway. the thing i like about Conway's look over Joe's (even if Joe had a regular nose) is that Conway looks more like a nice fellow and a boyscout, which is what i, personally, have always thought Superman should embody. on top of that, he has a more classic, timeless look while Joe has a more contemporary look.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 12:04 PM

I think both Joe M and Space look nothing like Superman...

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 12:10 PM

who's "Space"? hehe...

...j/m, i know who you're talking about, and this comparison disagrees with you. :oldrazz:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencer-byrne-compare.jpg

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 12:16 PM

I think Conway looks creepy.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 12:18 PM

Wow..you just chose a really strange and badly drawn Superman face with a weird look to prove your point. Yeah, that makes sense...

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 12:20 PM

I think Conway looks creepy.
Totally. He also looks like David Schwimmer and has this nerdy quality in his face. 'I don`t know...not Superman material to me. Plus i`ve never seen him acting.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 12:21 PM

would you guys mind elaborating please? i know these boards are all about expressing opinion but negative, one sentence, short posts like those tend to come off as trolling or flamebait. i'm not saying your posts ARE trolling or flamebait, but they come off that way. if you could expand on your opinions a little bit then they'd be given more credibility...

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 12:24 PM

Totally. He also looks like David Schwimmer and has this nerdy quality in his face. 'I don`t know...not Superman material to me.

Yeah, and I agree that is a very "off" picture in wich he just happens to look like a Byrne drawing, but his other pictures are kinda awful.

Maze

10-17-2010, 12:30 PM

I think too that Spencer Conway looks totally like Superman, Different strokes for different folks;)

And from what i've seen he is not a bad actor. I would be interested to see him act with stronger directors.

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 12:31 PM

Really? So you say he looks more like Superman than Henry Cavill or Brandon Routh? He just looks a bit awkward to me. Creepy cat/lizard eyes (I know) are not my definition of The Man Of Steel.

He looks like a guy who pretends to be Superman at a children's party. Or the guy down the street begging for money. In fact, he kinda reminds of the CONFESSIONS OF A SUPERHERO guy.

Maze

10-17-2010, 12:32 PM

And Joe M is interesting imo. Not a conventionnal choice, but there are ton of interpretation of superman, and from what i've seen in true blood, even if his role was not that large (or event that interesting) he has that superman like attitude

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 12:35 PM

Wow..you just chose a really strange and badly drawn Superman face with a weird look to prove your point. Yeah, that makes sense...
it's not friggin' Leifeld, it's Byrne dude.

Totally. He also looks like David Schwimmer and has this nerdy quality in his face. 'I don`t know...not Superman material to me. Plus i`ve never seen him acting.
David Schwimmer??? WTF?? if Spencer Conway reminds you of David Schwimmer then i'm sorry but you've got a warped way of thinking.

Yeah, and I agree that is a very "off" picture in wich he just happens to look like a Byrne drawing, but his other pictures are kinda awful.
Joe M looks like Leinel Wu's Supes, Brandon Routh tends to look like multiple versions of Supes.....in a sense you're right, Conway just HAPPENS to look like Byrne's version of Superman in certain angles. however, in all of his photos he looks like SOME sort of version of Superman. i don't see how you think his other pictures are 'awful'...he certainly looks more like Superman than many of the other lesser known actors who have been thrown around in this thread.

Its hard to explain. You either have it or not. I don`t think he has it. He doesn`t look like a god to me, this large than life character. Plus, i dont know if he can act or not since i`ve never seen him in anything, really. His nose is just off, too big, that he looks like the Joker or a charicature to me lol.
okay...i don't like personal attacks, but i can't help this........you're friggin' nuts dude. the acting point i can understand because there's not much to reference. i can understand your point about him not looking like a god, even though i don't necessarily agree.....but saying that he looks like the Joker just destroys the credibility of your other points. such an extreme statement makes it look like you're just hating on Conway instead of looking at him from an objective point of view.

Project862006

10-17-2010, 12:37 PM

conway looks creepy and joe does'nt WTF LOL

anyways i still want Hammer!!!

smooth3006

10-17-2010, 12:37 PM

none of these actors interest me. id be on board with ham but that's not gonna happen. you know who i want but i cannot say his name. :o

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 12:39 PM

I too agree that the Conman looks like the Joker.

Here's the thing....A lot of these casting choices remind me of fan made vids. You know, just pick a guy off the street who kinda looks heroic and put the S stamp on him. I would fully expect Conway to appear as Superman in a fan made vid, or at a children's party, but not as Superman in a huge blockbuster movie, and take him seriously. I don't know about his acting, but with Superman, looking it is half the battle.

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 12:48 PM

i was following you with "a bit awkward" but then, just like SuperDaniel, you make an extreme comment like "creepy cat/lizard eyes" and you lose me. what the hell???

I did acknowledge it was a bit of a crazy comment, but I kept looking at one of his pictures and that's the first thing that popped in my head.

*sigh* this whole section of you post reads like pure flamebait. if you want to make some rational posts about Spencer's looks without resorting to posting like a hater then we can have a conversation, but until then i'm not gonna give your replies any credibility.Read my following post darling, I expand a little on this. I'm not flaming. I think this wishful casting of creepy unkowns is a bit ridiculous.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 12:48 PM

Really? So you say he looks more like
He looks like a guy who pretends to be Superman at a children's party. Or the guy down the street begging for money. In fact, he kinda reminds of the CONFESSIONS OF A SUPERHERO guy.
LMFAO. Now that you mention, yes, he DOES look like him LOL

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 01:16 PM

Read my following post darling, I expand a little on this.
i, unfortunately, read your posts......and i'm not your darling, friend, or buddy.

plus, this isn`t my idea of how a Superman guy should act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

yes.....because whoever gets the role of Superman MUST have played Superman, Kal-El, or Clark Kent and no one else in EVERY SINGLE role they've previously played. :whatever:

SuperDaniel, I Am the Knight...there's no need to be ugly about other people's preferences for the role of Superman. someone recently posted that they don't know why people have to resort to attacking other people's suggestions or opinions about their favorite actor. i wish i could find the post but it was a good one because it was a great sense of civility in this thread which often turns hostile. i try to make it a point to not offend whoever i'm addressing but it seems like you guys don't give a damn.....so it comes off like you're TRYING to offend us.

criticisms are fine, but when you start making extreme statements and pushing people's buttons like you've done recently you're no longer criticizing...you're basically trying to start a fight, aka flamebaiting so i'll leave you with this...

Get this clear boys and girls....the trolling and fighting needs to stop. I just put one guy on probation for continuing to troll and instigate fights by posting he wants Welling in this forum....and the next one who replies to a post like that with attacks on Welling gets probation too....because all that is doing is trolling and continuing a fight.

Everyone needs to grow up.

cronosred

10-17-2010, 01:17 PM

I don't know who's manip this originally was, but I fixed up the left side of the nose (which a makeup team can really do), but left his real nose tip (as that is harder to change) and I think it looks fine.

He does look like the Superman from Birthright.

With blue eyes added I am not getting the "villany" look either.

I think the blue contacts would help soften his appearance enough.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1943/joemanip3.jpg

Nice manip, I could definitely see Joe in the role.

smooth3006

10-17-2010, 01:19 PM

Nice manip, I could definitely see Joe in the role.

not me... i could of really liked ham or even affleck. BUT it seems they will cast younger.

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 01:20 PM

plus, this isn`t my idea of how a Superman guy should act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

Joe M looks terrible too. A brute, all muscles and no charisma whatsoever. That`s why he played Flash Thompson in Spider-man.

Conway has a big nose that makes his whole face look weird. He looks like a charicature, hence, the Joker or David Schimmer. He looks too nerdy to be Superman, imo.

And yes, if you watched Homecoming, Welling has matured and is huge now and looks like Superman to me. Not only he grew as an actor. He isn`t getting the role but Friday`s episode was the best interpretation of Superman i`ve seen in a looooooooooong time. Him and Erica are just great together and makes a great couple which is really important to me since Lois is such a huge part of Superman, imo.

And yes,smooth, i cant mention my favorite contender for the whole who has the acting skills, the looks and the charisma to play the part...

You like an actor for the role who you cannot mention in this thread.

So what you HAVE been doing is coming into this thread, just to say something negative about every suggestion.

It would not matter to you who was suggested, because they are not the nameless person who you want.

So any suggestion made here is just a reason for you to spew negativity.

That is what happens when you get religiously attached to one actor.

I can see how Joe M., Conway, and Hammer ALL could work. They each require different things to make the looks work, and it depends on how Superman is going to be portrayed.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 01:25 PM

I can see how Joe M., Conway, and Hammer ALL could work. They each require different things to make the looks work, and it depends on how Superman is meant to be portrayed.
well said...i won't be mad if Joe, Armie, Henry, or even Brandon were cast as Superman. they each have their strengths and weaknesses, and so does my favorite, Spencer Conway. however, i'm not gonna go trash someone's preference just because they're not mine. i might give out logical criticisms that point out flaws, but that's quite different from spewing emotional jumbo that just ends up pissing off other members.

smooth3006

10-17-2010, 01:25 PM

i don't see them casting anybody that has been mentioned in this thread. whoever it is will come out of left field sort of speaking.

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 01:30 PM

i don't see them casting anybody that has been mentioned in this thread. whoever it is will come out of left field sort of speaking.

Very good chance of that as well.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 01:35 PM

i can see it happening, but Armie is getting a lot of buzz from the Social Network right now....so if i had to place a safe bet, i'd put it on Hammer. realistically speaking...if Hammer doesn't get the role then i'm hoping it goes to Cavill (if he's still up for it).

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 01:57 PM

i, unfortunately, read your posts......and i'm not your darling, friend, or buddy.

Don't get pissy with me, I'm just telling it like it is. People tend to suggest anyone for the role, just like if you're bald suddenly you'd be "perfect" for Luthor.

SuperDaniel, I Am the Knight...there's no need to be ugly about other people's preferences for the role of Superman. someone recently posted that they don't know why people have to resort to attacking other people's suggestions or opinions about their favorite actor. i wish i could find the post but it was a good one because it was a great sense of civility in this thread which often turns hostile. i try to make it a point to not offend whoever i'm addressing but it seems like you guys don't give a damn.....so it comes off like you're TRYING to offend us.

criticisms are fine, but when you start making extreme statements and pushing people's buttons like you've done recently you're no longer criticizing...you're basically trying to start a fight, aka flamebaiting so i'll leave you with this...

I'm not insulting you. In any case, I would be insulting Conway, so you're just being overprotective here. It's fine if you like him, but I am allowed to point out that I think he is a ridiculous choice. I was, also, making a point about fan casting, and how I think Conway fits into that :o

Blackman

10-17-2010, 02:06 PM

Armie Hammer still has my vote

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 02:09 PM

You like an actor for the role who you cannot mention in this thread.

So what you HAVE been doing is coming into this thread, just to say something negative about every suggestion.

It would not matter to you who was suggested, because they are not the nameless person who you want.

So any suggestion made here is just a reason for you to spew negativity.

That is what happens when you get religiously attached to one actor.

I can see how Joe M., Conway, and Hammer ALL could work. They each require different things to make the looks work, and it depends on how Superman is going to be portrayed.
Out of those, the only one i really hate is Joe M. The other 2 don`t look like Supes to me but i could accept, i guess. I still like Hammer better than Conway for the role.

But Brandon, Welling, Cavill are just much better choices, imo.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 03:04 PM

Don't get pissy with me, I'm just telling it like it is.
piss in someone's cereal then call them "darling" and you don't expect them to get pissy with you? that's some logic you've got there...

People tend to suggest anyone for the role, just like if you're bald suddenly you'd be "perfect" for Luthor.
there are many proposed actors and thespians that have been brought up and i've written off a great number of them simply based on their looks. i also look for acting skills, which is why i wouldn't want Routh back for the role. there are a few actors that have both a Superman-ish look and sufficient acting skills for the job (Hammer & Cavill) but it just so happens that i think Spencer has the perfect look and skills for the role. it's not like he's just ANY suggestion that i randomly support. i genuinely feel he's the best fit for the role the same way i felt Tom Hardy was the best fit for Lex Luthor.

I'm not insulting you.
please reread my post dear...i never said you were.

In any case, I would be insulting Conway, so you're just being overprotective here. It's fine if you like him, but I am allowed to point out that I think he is a ridiculous choice.
you're right you are...and truth be told, i asked you to expand on your opinion. however, even though you're allowed to express your opinion and that i asked for it, our reactions will depend on how you present your opinion and you didn't have to be so ugly about it. the way you presented your opinion made it seem like you were trying to get a rise out of me instead of expressing genuine concerns. i hit on Joe because his nose is hooked and pointy, but i leave it at that because it's a logical cosmetic concern. i don't go all emotional and say he looks like a caveman like other people do....that's just gonna piss someone off and start a ruckus. now if you don't care about that and want to post like you don't give a $#!+ then be my guest....but this thread has already had a lot of hostility because of the passion we have for the role, and that's part of the reason C. Lee had to regulate.

so if you want to keep making absurd and extreme statements about other people's preferences then go for it....but don't be surprised when you get some sort of retaliation. if you make an extreme statement, expect an extreme reaction. read my sig, karma is a law you can't escape.

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 03:41 PM

piss in someone's cereal then call them "darling" and you don't expect them to get pissy with you? that's some logic you've got there...

there are many proposed actors and thespians that have been brought up and i've written off a great number of them simply based on their looks. i also look for acting skills, which is why i wouldn't want Routh back for the role. there are a few actors that have both a Superman-ish look and sufficient acting skills for the job (Hammer & Cavill) but it just so happens that i think Spencer has the perfect look and skills for the role. it's not like he's just ANY suggestion that i randomly support. i genuinely feel he's the best fit for the role the same way i felt Tom Hardy was the best fit for Lex Luthor.

please reread my post dear...i never said you were.

you're right you are...and truth be told, i asked you to expand on your opinion. however, even though you're allowed to express your opinion and that i asked for it, our reactions will depend on how you present your opinion and you didn't have to be so ugly about it. the way you presented your opinion made it seem like you were trying to get a rise out of me instead of expressing genuine concerns. i hit on Joe because his nose is hooked and pointy, but i leave it at that because it's a logical cosmetic concern. i don't go all emotional and say he looks like a caveman like other people do....that's just gonna piss someone off and start a ruckus. now if you don't care about that and want to post like you don't give a $#!+ then be my guest....but this thread has already had a lot of hostility because of the passion we have for the role, and that's part of the reason C. Lee had to regulate.

so if you want to keep making absurd and extreme statements about other people's preferences then go for it....but don't be surprised when you get some sort of retaliation. if you make an extreme statement, expect an extreme reaction. read my sig, karma is a law you can't escape.

LOL, was it really that extreme? All I said was that he had crazy creepy eyes and he looks more like the kind of guy I'd expect to see pop up at a thematic children's party. He just has that look about him. I have never seen him act so I won't coment on that, but with a role as physical as Superman, you gotta get it right. I'd take DJ Cotrona over this guy.

I wasn't trying to get a rise out of you, but I see that I did. Oh well...

Strider14

10-17-2010, 03:42 PM

plus, this isn`t my idea of how a Superman guy should act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUobHHtlE4

Conway has a big nose that makes his whole face look weird. He looks like a charicature, hence, the Joker or David Schimmer. He looks too nerdy to be Superman, imo.

Umm...he's an actor. That's what actors get paid to do. Perhaps I should post a link to the clip of Routh's and Justin Long's scene from Zack and Miri Make a Porno. Not my idea of how a Superman guy should act either, but I am rational enough to know he is acting a part in movie, just like Conway is acting a part on stage. Of course, Routh is completely upstaged by Long in the afore-mentioned clip, which shows what weak presence he actually has on screen.

Conway's nose is big? Funny how people see the same person so differently. I don't think he has that big of a nose and how one gets the Joker out of him is beyond me. To each their own.

Rhiannon

10-17-2010, 03:52 PM

Perhaps I should post a link to the clip of Routh's and Justin Long's scene from Zack and Miri Make a Porno.

Would you? :atp:

cronosred

10-17-2010, 04:05 PM

i don't see them casting anybody that has been mentioned in this thread. whoever it is will come out of left field sort of speaking.

I don't know, after all the buzz from The Social Network I could see them casting Hammer.

smooth3006

10-17-2010, 04:09 PM

I don't know, after all the buzz from The Social Network I could see them casting Hammer.

i don't see it myself.

C. Lee

10-17-2010, 04:12 PM

Wow....so many people to infract....well, there goes my pleasant afternoon.

JAK®

10-17-2010, 04:13 PM

i don't see it myself.You don't see what all the buzz is about or you don't see the buzz itself? Because there is buzz, and the fact that WB almost had him as Batman in JL:M shows that they consider him superhero material. Hammer as a candidate is something we should be prepared for, whether you think he is right for the part or not.

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 04:15 PM

I don't know, after all the buzz from The Social Network I could see them casting Hammer.

It could go either way really.

At this point, with how his career is moving along fast now, does Hammer want to risk getting type cast?

With a role like Superman, the risk of getting pinned into the role seems to be greater than it is for other Superheroes.

Maybe I'm wrong and audiences can suspend their disbelief better than in past generations.

Then again, many of the "hes always acted as a __________" comments in this thread would seem to mean otherwise.

flickchick85

10-17-2010, 04:27 PM

In StM, 18 year old CK creates the FoS and embarks on a cosmic journey with Jor-El. By the time they return, 12 earth years have passed and a 30 year old Superman flies off to start his new job at the Daily Planet.

Seemed to work fine then, don't see why CK can't be travelling the world, doing super-feats anonymously until he's 30, before assuming a costumed identity and a home base.

but the average age of superman tends to be 33. in the Donnerverse (absolutely not saying that it be used), he went in FOS at 18 and came out 12 years later. Smallville (again, not endorsing), he is about 10 years from the middle of HS, so around 28 ish. even if they do an origin story, they will show him as a younger person in "make-up/look" (just like bale in BB as a college student). but when he takes the mantle, he would be around 30. especially if he show him travelling around the world and stuff after college.

i think it would be a better story to show him as a maturing man who realizes that the world needs someone like him, instead of him graduating college and jumping right into becoming superman because of a naive sense of responsibility.

people often cite origin as young. it doesnt have to be. spiderman is really the only one that placed that placed origin as a really young person. Batman's origin is 33, Bond's origin is 38, Iron Man is 43.
i think of origin as the first episode of the superhero, not necessarily when the superhero was young

Thanks for the corrections on the ages, guys. If Superman's always supposed to be at least 30 (and "on average" 33), then it bothers me even more that we always get these 20-somethings to play him. But now I still have hope that Snyder will cast a little older, despite the story being about a Superman who's just getting started.

annie.j88

10-17-2010, 04:34 PM

i could live with most choices on here, particularly hammer, seems the right build and shows enthusiasm for the role, same with cavill and joe . m

SuperMike335!!

10-17-2010, 04:36 PM

For me age is not so relevant in that I think the actor should look strong and masculine, and in his physical prime.

There are a lot of healthy men who's age is not perfectly easy to tell.

25-35 and in good shape.

The issues I have with the more "boyish" look actors are the effeminate softer features like wide doe eyes.

If a guy looks like he would cumble after being punched in the face without powers, I don't think he passes for Superman.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 04:37 PM

Thanks for the corrections on the ages, guys. If Superman's always supposed to be at least 30 (and "on average" 33), then it bothers me even more that we always get these 20-somethings to play him. But now I still have hope that Snyder will cast a little older, despite the story being about a Superman who's just getting started.

What 20 somethings?

Just Reeve and Routh.

Reeve could have passed for 30 in his mid 20s it worked. Routh can only pass for late 20s/early 30s nowadays... not during filming in 2005.

But yes, Superman is generally 30 years of age when it all begins, as he was in STM.

Bale's Batman/Bruce was 30 in "Batman Begins" too.

I'm guessing Ryan Reynolds' Hal Jordan will be around the same age too for his upcoming origin flick.

C. Lee

10-17-2010, 04:40 PM

Don't get pissy with me,

You started it by condescendingly calling him DARLING. That was not a true term of endearment given to a loved one to express a closeness....it was condescending attempt to insult.

DO NOT DO IT AGAIN!!!!

I am getting real damn tired of the childishness shown in here by some of you. I just sent out a half dozen warnings and or infractions for the adult civilized intelligent comments I have read over the last few pages.

Start posting civil.

annie.j88

10-17-2010, 04:41 PM

lol, it all reminds me of how angry i was with nolan for casting heath ledger as joker.

look how that turned out...:wow:

all i'm saying is actors can surprise us ...or not. dammit, just cast the movie already!!!

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 04:43 PM

Hammer seems like a left field (Ledger-like) choice. He doesn't necessarily look like Superman now, but has the basics to be transformed into the character physically.

That is why I'm not against him. Could surprise us.

Blackman

10-17-2010, 04:46 PM

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 04:53 PM

yeah...Hammer's not a left field choice. Matt McConaughey would be a left fielder.

I Am The Knight

10-17-2010, 04:58 PM

You started it by condescendingly calling him DARLING. That was not a true term of endearment given to a loved one to express a closeness....it was condescending attempt to insult.

DO NOT DO IT AGAIN!!!!

I am getting real damn tired of the childishness shown in here by some of you. I just sent out a half dozen warnings and or infractions for the adult civilized intelligent comments I have read over the last few pages.

Start posting civil.

I do that all the time. It wasn't me being condescending. At least that was not the intention. I think DorkyFresh is fine lad, BTW. He just got too emotional regarding Conway for some reason :o

C. Lee

10-17-2010, 05:02 PM

I do that all the time. It wasn't me being condescending. At least that was not the intention. I think DorkyFresh is fine lad, BTW. He just got too emotional regarding Conway for some reason :o

I would suggest being more careful about the use of it in the future then. I know that if I was debating someone on an issue and they replied with "Look darling" or something like that....I WOULD take it as condescending and smart alecky. He took it that way too.

DorkyFresh

10-17-2010, 05:06 PM

I think DorkyFresh is fine lad, BTW. He just got too emotional regarding Conway for some reason :o
i beg to differ...i was trying to be logical. i tried reasoning with your logic, but it's hard to reason with emotional responses (i.e. "he looks like a beggar in the streets")....but that's besides the point. let's just call a truce and move on...

flickchick85

10-17-2010, 05:12 PM

What 20 somethings?

Just Reeve and Routh.

Reeve could have passed for 30 in his mid 20s it worked. Routh can only pass for late 20s/early 30s nowadays... not during filming in 2005.

But yes, Superman is generally 30 years of age when it all begins, as he was in STM.

Bale's Batman/Bruce was 30 in "Batman Begins" too.

I'm guessing Ryan Reynolds' Hal Jordan will be around the same age too for his upcoming origin flick.
Reeve (25), Routh(25), and Cain(27). Those are the main 3 live-action Supermen I know, and they were all 20-somethings when cast. I don't count Welling since he was cast as Young Clark Kent, but who, other than George Reeves, was over 30 when cast as Superman?

I agree with you that Reeve seemed older, though. I remember being shocked when I found out he was 25 at the time. I just hate that he seems to have set some kind of age precedent ("well, Chris Reeve was 25, so I guess that's what we should look for!"), because imo, he's the ONLY one it worked for.

As for the other superheroes, I think Bale and Reynolds were the perfect ages for their characters. So I'm hoping Snyder, Nolan & Co. follow those leads and give us a 30+ Superman this time around. Well, that is with the exception of the one 20-something I can think of that I could see pulling off a 30-year-old Supes, and he has his own thread.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 05:20 PM

I didn't count Cain, but I agree that he was an epic fail from the start, his delivery here is so laughably cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM

As for the other superheroes, I think Bale and Reynolds were the perfect ages for their characters. So I'm hoping Snyder, Nolan & Co. follow those leads and give us a 30+ Superman this time around. Well, that is with the exception of the one 20-something I can think of that I could see pulling off a 30-year-old Supes, and he has his own thread.

I agree 200%.

Project862006

10-17-2010, 06:10 PM

Hammer doesnt seem that left field to me because I think he's the only young actor with the right build and height that actually has a decent resume. Or at least a very good film under his belt

He's my #1 choice.

he is left field when it comes to looks since he does'nt look like what superman normally looks like

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 06:18 PM

I didn't count Cain, but I agree that he was an epic fail from the start, his delivery here is so laughably cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM

I agree 200%.
See how things are...I prefer Dean Cain than Reeve and think Lois & Clark is much better than the movies.

Strider14

10-17-2010, 06:20 PM

he is left field when it comes to looks since he does'nt look like what superman normally looks like

My sentiments as well. I just don't see it. Seems to be a decent actor. Could stand to put on a little muscle, but possibly doable. I just don't think he looks like Superman in the face in the least bit.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 06:27 PM

See how things are...I prefer Dean Cain than Reeve and think Lois & Clark is much better than the movies.

Thank god the Nolan script will give us something 1000x better than a campy TV romantic comedy.

I would swear off Superman if we got a cheesy shipper-based rom/com film onscreen similar to the TV version.

With Nolan, we're bound to get something intellectual, action-driven, sophisticated, grounded in logic and versimilitude, and compelling. We're going to get a badass Superman onscreen finally. It's inevitable.

All that being said, regardless of the tone... Cain's acting is still laughable there.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 06:46 PM

Better actor than Routh, imo.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 06:51 PM

Not in my opinion ;)

But I did get some amusement from how bad Cain's acting can be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EZ1vdcHnDw

Project862006

10-17-2010, 06:55 PM

ROFL

thats just as good as VADER!!

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 07:17 PM

Not in my opinion ;)

But I did get some amusement from how bad Cain's acting can be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EZ1vdcHnDw
Too bad u don`t know what acting is to talk such blasphemy.

Rhiannon

10-17-2010, 07:21 PM

That video, LOL! I feel bad for actors when they have a "NOOOO!" moment. Hard not to ham it up even if they're trying to make it come across as emotional.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 07:28 PM

the episode in itself is awesome and much better than SR, thats for sure.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 07:33 PM

And now I've found something more laughable than Dean Cain's acting:

Too bad u don`t know what acting is to talk such blasphemy.

the episode in itself is awesome and much better than SR, thats for sure.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 07:34 PM

That video, LOL! I feel bad for actors when they have a "NOOOO!" moment. Hard not to ham it up even if they're trying to make it come across as emotional.

A good actor can make it work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7dlwseXVn0&feature=related

Rhiannon

10-17-2010, 07:34 PM

^ Do you know the name of that episode, SuperDaniel? I haven't watched Lois and Clark since it aired when I was pretty young.

You're right, Man Of Tomorrow, that one is pretty intense. Either that or I have no objectivity when it comes to Christopher Reeve. :)

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 07:41 PM

Its called Barbarians at the Planet.

SuperDaniel

10-17-2010, 07:42 PM

And now I've found something more laughable than Dean Cain's acting:
Yeah. Rouths acting is more laughable than Dean's. At least Cain spoke a word as Superman in his tv series.

Gianakin_

10-17-2010, 07:53 PM

A good actor can make it work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7dlwseXVn0&feature=related

That scene is still so f***in' awesome. And I say the word awesome literally.

Man of Tomorrow

10-17-2010, 07:58 PM

Yeah. Rouths acting is more laughable than Dean's. At least Cain spoke a word as Superman in his tv series.

With delivery as bad as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM

Though there have been worse TV actors in the role.

But out of the 5 actual Superman actors, (Alyn, Reeves, Reeves, Cain, Routh), Dean Tanaka Cain is generally regarded as the most laughably bad. It's been that way for years and years, and not just on the SHH forums.

The new Superman actor would be foolish to mimic anything Cain did.