The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread

[B]

With delivery as bad as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM

Explain whats bad about the delivery please.

But out of the 5 actual Superman actors, (Alyn, Reeves, Reeves, Cain, Routh), Dean Tanaka Cain is generally regarded as the most laughably bad. It's been that way for years and years, and not just on the SHH forums.

Hasn't been that way on any of the other Superman/DC forums I've visited/posted in... I'd even dispute it's the case in these forums.

Aside from Reeve, Cain is the only other one I've seen get some form of 'widespread recognition' amongst fans for an aspect of his performance in the role. That being his portrayal of Clark Kent..

Now before you jump the gun, by 'widespread recognition' I mean that it isn't an uncommon thing for people to suggest that they'd like something closer to Dean Cain's portrayal rather than Reeve's..

The new Superman actor would be foolish to mimic anything Cain did.

How so? Alot of people prefare his portrayal of Clark Kent to Christoper Reeve's bumbling version..

Their one gripe with Cain was that his Superman didn't differ enough from his Clark Kent..

[Man of Tomorrow]

People want the portrayal of 'Clark Kent' that Dean's version was based on; John Byrne's Man of Steel reboot, aka: Reporter Clark closer to being the real CK than an invented persona.

HOWEVER, I wouldn't say there's much love for how Cain actually portrayed Clark/Superman onscreen. As you said, playing them exactly the same.


There's a difference between wanting that version of CK in Nolan's reboot and looking to how Dean Cain attempted to play it for inspiration.

Cain didn't do a convincing job of making that version of CK/Superman work.



At the end of the day, I'm willing to bet Nolan will go with some form of invented persona for reporter Clark that is exaggerated in the opposite polarity from Superman. It likely won't be the 'bumbling nerd' but it will be different enough from the Superman characterization to make the duality believable.. just as Bale played 'Playboy Bruce' as an invented exaggerated persona.

[Man of Tomorrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM Explain whats bad about the delivery please.


Well, if you actually consider that a good performance of Superman; voice, delivery and all.. then there's really nothing I can say to change your opinion.

[Project862006]

its not bad delivery it is just he seems to be too happy and smiling while trying to convey a serious tone lol

he has too much of a boyish voice on top of that

[Man of Tomorrow]

I wouldn't say boyish, but it reminds me of one of the silly failed Superman: The Movie auditions.

[C. Lee]

Many people liked Cain's portrayal of Superman/Clark Kent.....you hear many complaints about his performance on the Hype because basicly that's what many on the Hype do....complain.

I've been here for a while....I've seen people complain about Cain because of the suit he wore (like he chose the suit and actually had anything to do with it...but to them it made HIM a bad Superman)....I've seen people complain about him because of the lack of spitcurl (doesn't matter that the producer states in the DVD commentary that it was her choice and Dean actually wanted it....he's a bad Superman because of it).....there are some who complain about him because he is part ASIAN (something about him I didn't know until people complained about it...guess it wasn't that big of a deal to as many people as they thought)...it goes on and on.

I liked his performance. I didn't like the suit sometimes (they had at least 3 different versions I believe, with the cape looking real bad in several episodes) but Dean Cain had nothing to do with that. It was afairly low budget show before FX capabilities got as good as they are now....but Dean Cain had nothing to with that. Sometimes the writing was bad and the stories were cheesy....but Dean Cain had nothing to do with that.

I'm not saying he is the greatest actor that ever lived or was the best Superman ever....I am saying that I totally believe he gets a bum rap from fans....but then almost everyone does in the wonderful world of SHH.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Don't forget complaints about his unimposing height.

[Project862006]

but he was 6 ft just as tall as Bomer/Hamm/Cavill/etc. yet people want those guys

[Man of Tomorrow]

I don't. Haha.

At least the 'early days of Superman' revelation can remove Hamm from the running.

[Kurosawa]

He's a solid actor and comes off as a good guy but I can't put Dean Cain in Hamm's class as an actor. Not that by saying that I mean Hamm would make a good choice for Superman. As for the rest, there is no reason to blame the actor just because they made wrongheaded decisions on L&C as far as Clark's character, etc. Those choices weren't his.

[C. Lee]

but he was 6 ft just as tall as Bomer/Hamm/Cavill/etc. yet people want those guys

Don't bring logic into these discussions...it confuses people.

[batman44]

I never had a problem with Cain's height.

[Rhiannon]

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[Rhiannon]

In that clip, it's strange; his vocal delivery isn't so bad, but sometimes he seems to be smiling. His expressions don't really match up with what he's saying, or maybe he thought he shouldn't look too gruff about it. Did it seem that way to you too, Project862006?

His show was on when I was too young to be very critical about acting or character interpretation, but even still, I don't mind Dean Cain. Not my favorite, but not the worst. I never thought a thing about his ethnicity until I saw people fuss about it online. I guess I missed the canon which states all Kryptonians are purely Caucasian.

[B]

People want the portrayal of 'Clark Kent' that Dean's version was based on; John Byrne's Man of Steel reboot, aka: Reporter Clark closer to being the real CK than an invented persona.

People want Clark Kent the person & not Clark Kent the disguise goofball. Cain's portrayal was more - 'Superman is the disguise & Clark Kent is the person', whereas in most other incarnations it's arguably the other way around

HOWEVER, I wouldn't say there's much love for how Cain actually portrayed Clark/Superman onscreen. As you said, playing them exactly the same.

Maybe not so much his Superman, but his Clark Kent, most definatly.

I'm sure if the next Superman could portray a Clark Kent with charm & realness about him that Dean Cain's portrayal had and in turn play off Lois Lane the way Dean Cain's Clark Kent did.. I think they'd be happy.

There's a difference between wanting that version of CK in Nolan's reboot and looking to how Dean Cain attempted to play it for inspiration.

Well if you where going for something similar you'd obviously look at it to see what you could take from it, what worked, what didn't & then add whatever you can to it.. without trying to take so much that you are trying to imitate the actor, thats where failures & problems arise.. just look at Routh in Superman Returns.

At the end of the day, I'm willing to bet Nolan will go with some form of invented persona for reporter Clark that is exaggerated in the opposite polarity from Superman. It likely won't be the 'bumbling nerd' but it will be different enough from the Superman characterization to make the duality believable.. just as Bale played 'Playboy Bruce' as an invented exaggerated persona.

I'm hoping he doesn't go that far an exaggeration, I don't want to see a Clark Kent that can't open doors or gets stuck in revolving doors, waves at someone inside a crowded lift that is 3 feet away, stutters his words or feints..

I don't want the bumbling to be overdone ie Reeve/Routh, I want it to be natural & suttle.. I want a Clark Kent that plays off his Lois Lane well (however this is partially down to good chemistry) ie Welling/Cain.. moreso Welling considering Cain had very little bumbling elements to his Clark Kent.

We've seen 5 films where the Clark Kent has had his goofball side overblown. It's time to see it toned down just a little & give him a little more to Clark Kent the character other than just tripping over **** & getting stuck in doors.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Maybe not so much his Superman, but his Clark Kent, most definatly.

I'm sure if the next Superman could portray a Clark Kent with charm & realness about him that Dean Cain's portrayal had and in turn play off Lois Lane the way Dean Cain's Clark Kent did.. I think they'd be happy.

If anything Superman will be the one charming Lois.



I'm hoping he doesn't go that far an exaggeration, I don't want to see a Clark Kent that can't open doors or gets stuck in revolving doors, waves at someone inside a crowded lift that is 3 feet away, stutters his words or feints..

I don't want the bumbling to be overdone ie Reeve/Routh, I want it to be natural & suttle..

We've seen 5 films where the Clark Kent has had his goofball side overblown. It's time to see it toned down just a little & give him a little more to Clark Kent the character other than just tripping over **** & getting stuck in doors.

He wasn't much of a goof in SR. Never clumsy, just quiet and withdrawn.


They aren't going to do the same CK disguise as that film, BUT Nolan is bound to make the CK portrayal vastly different than Superman. Perhaps the Nolan CK reporter persona will be 100% stern and serious with Superman being more laid back, happy and jovial. Who knows.

But I'm willing to bet Reporter CK and Supes will be vastly different and there will be an invented persona (with different mannerisms) in place, used by Clark in the DP, to throw everyone off his tracks.


I want a Clark Kent that plays off his Lois Lane well (however this is partially down to good chemistry) ie Welling/Cain.. moreso Welling considering Cain had very little bumbling elements to his Clark Kent.

In their case, the duality between CK and Supes isn't realistic or believable at all. At the very least, there's no versimilitude to it if they play Clark (as the real person) and Superman SO close in personality, voice and mannerisms.

That works in the context of a campy television interpretation (worked fine for George Reeves as well in his kids show) but not in a Christopher Nolan film showing some level of sophistication and intelligence.


There has to be a noticeable duality to the portrayal.

[Eze]

Many people liked Cain's portrayal of Superman/Clark Kent.....you hear many complaints about his performance on the Hype because basicly that's what many on the Hype do....complain.

I've been here for a while....I've seen people complain about Cain because of the suit he wore (like he chose the suit and actually had anything to do with it...but to them it made HIM a bad Superman)....I've seen people complain about him because of the lack of spitcurl (doesn't matter that the producer states in the DVD commentary that it was her choice and Dean actually wanted it....he's a bad Superman because of it).....there are some who complain about him because he is part ASIAN (something about him I didn't know until people complained about it...guess it wasn't that big of a deal to as many people as they thought)...it goes on and on.

I liked his performance. I didn't like the suit sometimes (they had at least 3 different versions I believe, with the cape looking real bad in several episodes) but Dean Cain had nothing to do with that. It was afairly low budget show before FX capabilities got as good as they are now....but Dean Cain had nothing to with that. Sometimes the writing was bad and the stories were cheesy....but Dean Cain had nothing to do with that.

I'm not saying he is the greatest actor that ever lived or was the best Superman ever....I am saying that I totally believe he gets a bum rap from fans....but then almost everyone does in the wonderful world of SHH.

I liked his take on CK a lot more than the bumbling coward approach.

[B]

Well, if you actually consider that a good performance of Superman; voice, delivery and all.. then there's really nothing I can say to change your opinion.

I didn't say this at all, I simply asked you to explain what was bad at it.. because then once you mention something like 'lack of emotion/expression', 'wrong expression', 'poor tone of voice' or something along those lines, I was then gonna link you to youtube videos involving particularly Kirk Alyn & George Reeves, with a side order of Brandon Routh where you could see the same traits/problems displayed.

Fair enough if you think he is the worst actor to have been in the role, your entitled to your opinion.. but I'd dispute that you are in the majority of people that believe this.. which I think, you think you are..

[Timstuff]

With delivery as bad as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRWwxFjqNM

Though there have been worse TV actors in the role.

But out of the 5 actual Superman actors, (Alyn, Reeves, Reeves, Cain, Routh), Dean Tanaka Cain is generally regarded as the most laughably bad. It's been that way for years and years, and not just on the SHH forums.


The new Superman actor would be foolish to mimic anything Cain did.

I dunno... A little bit of Dean's signature style may have been just what Superman Returns needed...

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[B]

If anything Superman will be the one charming Lois.

It should be the other way around. I don't mean charm as in trying to talk her into bed, I mean charming as in everyone likes & responds well to him.

However in your context I feel it should be the other way around, Clark should be semi trying to win her over with little to no success, but she should be more attracted & fascinated with Superman.

He wasn't much of a goof in SR. Never clumsy, just quiet and withdrawn.

Your kidding aren't you, he gets stuck in a revolving door, vaguely cannot open Perry's door when Lois is missing, waves at Lois.. in a lift from 3ft away, jumps when Jimmy comes up behind him.. I mean I'm sure there are a few others but theres a few.. and Clark's role was quite small in the film as well.

They aren't going to do the same CK disguise as that film, BUT Nolan is bound to make the CK portrayal vastly different than Superman. Perhaps the Nolan CK reporter persona will be 100% stern and serious with Superman being more laid back, happy and jovial. Who knows.

But I'm willing to bet Reporter CK and Supes will be vastly different and there will be an invented persona (with different mannerisms) in place, used by Clark in the DP, to throw everyone off his tracks.

I think that Superman should be more authoritive.. but not in an aggressive way. Just, no messing about. Saves the people, quickly says what he needs to say & is on his way.

Whereas Clark should be fairly laid back, charming, abit goofy/bumbling.. essentially he should normal. He should be like a real person, being bumbling & tripping over crap makes you stand out and draws attention to yourself.. it implys he has something to hide if he is acting so overly clumsy.

In their case, the duality between CK and Supes isn't realistic or believable at all. At the very least, there's no versimilitude to it if they play Clark (as the real person) and Superman SO close in personality, voice and mannerisms.

That works in the context of a campy television interpretation (worked fine for George Reeves as well in his kids show) but not in a Christopher Nolan film showing some level of sophistication and intelligence.

There has to be a noticeable duality to the portrayal.

I wouldn't dispute it with L&C/Dean Cain's version as the fact that the 2 where very much similar was one of my gripes with the show when I was watching it as it was airing..

However with Smallville I'd dispute it, given that their Clark is already somewhat bumbling naturally & generally acts normal.. it paves the way for a more authoritative & strict Superman, not in an aggressive way or a General Zod like capacity.. but a leader, someone who would lead the JLA. Hard to fully compare though given that 'Superman' technically hasn't come out & spoke to anyone other than the 'JLA'.. however this would be no less believable than having an overblown goofball & a laid back Superman in my opinion..

[Octoberist]

Lois and Clark was what it was (as an early 90s show). I think people are taking Caine's interpretation of Superman/Clark too seriously.

[Strider14]

I don't see it as complaining, I simply couldn't stand Cain's portrayal of Superman. He has a funny and whiney voice. He wasn't a physically imposing presence and even if the writers put in the cheese factor, he made it all the cheesier in his delivery. Just watch all the Syfy movies he has been stuck with since and I don't know how anyone can say he is a good actor. To each their own. For me, comparing Routh and Cain is like comparing two actors who are blah each in their own way. Neither of them has the "It" factor.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It should be the other way around. I don't mean charm as in trying to talk her into bed, I mean charming as in everyone likes & responds well to him.

However in your context I feel it should be the other way around, Clark should be semi trying to win her over with little to no success, but she should be more attracted & fascinated with Superman.

It wouldn't help Clark's identity if he drew attention to himself at the Daily Planet.

Going unnoticed at the DP is the smartest way to preserve his identity.



Your kidding aren't you, he gets stuck in a revolving door, vaguely cannot open Perry's door when Lois is missing, waves at Lois.. in a lift from 3ft away, jumps when Jimmy comes up behind him.. I mean I'm sure there are a few others but theres a few.. and Clark's role was quite small in the film as well.

Those were all subtle things. It was nowhere near the over-the-top goofy slapstick antics of Reeve's version.




I think that Superman should be more authoritive.. but not in an aggressive way. Just, no messing about. Saves the people, quickly says what he needs to say & is on his way.

Whereas Clark should be fairly laid back, charming, abit goofy/bumbling.. essentially he should normal. He should be like a real person, being bumbling & tripping over crap makes you stand out and draws attention to yourself.. it implys he has something to hide if he is acting so overly clumsy.

Which he actually wasn't in Returns. He didn't draw any attention to himself. He more or less faded into the background, often going unnoticed.


I wouldn't dispute it with L&C/Dean Cain's version as the fact that the 2 where very much similar was one of my gripes with the show when I was watching it as it was airing..

However with Smallville I'd dispute it, given that their Clark is already somewhat bumbling naturally & generally acts normal.. it paves the way for a more authoritative & strict Superman, not in an aggressive way or a General Zod like capacity.. but a leader, someone who would lead the JLA. Hard to fully compare though given that 'Superman' technically hasn't come out & spoke to anyone other than the 'JLA'.. however this would be no less believable than having an overblown goofball & a laid back Superman in my opinion..

He's not bumbling at all, and it doesn't make much sense if everyone has already seen him without the glasses.

It's essentially the Dean Cain portrayal of Clark as the 'real person' where Clark and Superman (or the Blur) are played exactly the same with no discernible difference in personality, voice or mannerisms; the glasses 'magically' making people see Clark as different.


I guarantee Nolan's script will have a clear cut difference between CK and Superman to ensure there's a logic and verisimilitude to the duality. There's bound to be another exaggerated invented persona being used again, like he did for 'Playboy Bruce.'

[EliteF50]

Routh was not a bad Superman. His delivery was spot on and he looked exactly like the Man of Steel. What more could you ask for?

Dean Cain was a much, much worse Supes. He shouldn't even count...

[Man of Tomorrow]

Brandon Routh has his own thread here.

[Frodo]

Well to be fair ,Cain's Clark Kent was one of the best imo, and the fact is , the producers and writers in the first season wanted to stress that the Superman persona was just that...a persona.

They were riffing on the Byrne post crisis idea of Clark being the real person and Superman being the act. So while Cain's Superman left little to be desired , it wasn't helped by the fact that the writers conception of Lois and Clark was that the Superman aspect would be downplayed. The writers focus was on the relationship between Lois Lane and Clark Kent with the action playing a pretty minor role , at least in the first season.

That's why I don't really say that Cain was the worst because , the show's focus for the most part was Clark Kent as opposed to Superman, hence the writer's didn't really give the Superman persona any real charm . All the charm and personality went into Dean Cain's Clark which is still my favorite version of the character.

Imo all the versions of Superman on film have had some flaws to them and non of them are perfect.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Therein lies the flaw of putting all the charm and personality into 'Reporter Clark Kent.'

If he's an extrovert, then the Superman identity is destroyed. Superman wears no mask and there's no way to make him seem less dynamic and bold. He speaks with a low commanding voice. He's confident and has the charm.

They have to be polar opposites for it to work in live action.

[Timstuff]

It should be the other way around. I don't mean charm as in trying to talk her into bed, I mean charming as in everyone likes & responds well to him.

However in your context I feel it should be the other way around, Clark should be semi trying to win her over with little to no success, but she should be more attracted & fascinated with Superman.

Actually, I had an interesting discussion about this with my brothers a while back, and we came up with a spin to put on the Clark / Lois / Superman dynamic. Lois Lane at first believes Superman is a phony, and she's the only reporter at the Planet who is stubborn enough to run around trying to prove it. However, the new guy, Clark Kent, takes a liking to her determined spirit, and agrees to tag along with her on her investigations. Throughout all this, Lois ends up coming to trust Superman, and forms her unique relationship with Clark Kent where she treats him like a rookie due to her feeling slightly threatened by his skill as a journalist, while also being attracted to him on some subconscious level.

[Blackman]

Actually, I had an interesting discussion about this with my brothers a while back, and we came up with a spin to put on the Clark / Lois / Superman dynamic. Lois Lane at first believes Superman is a phony, and she's the only reporter at the Planet who is stubborn enough to run around trying to prove it. However, the new guy, Clark Kent, takes a liking to her determined spirit, and agrees to tag along with her on her investigations. Throughout all this, Lois ends up coming to trust Superman, and forms her unique relationship with Clark Kent where she treats him like a rookie due to her feeling slightly threatened by his skill as a journalist, while also being attracted to him on some subconscious level.
If anything it should be The PLanet thinking Supes is a phony, save for Lois and a few

One of the things about Lois is that she has always believed in Superman. Or at least from what Ive read

[B]

It wouldn't help Clark's identity if he drew attention to himself at the Daily Planet.

Going unnoticed at the DP is the smartest way to preserve his identity.

How would being normal draw attention to himself.. ?

Those were all subtle things. It was nowhere near the over-the-top goofy slapstick antics of Reeve's version.

They were more or less the exact same thing.

Getting stuck in a revolving door is over the top, waving at someone in a lift is over the top, acting like a lost lioncub in a buffalo stampede is over the top..

Which he actually wasn't in Returns. He didn't draw any attention to himself. He more or less faded into the background, often going unnoticed.

Well I disagree, the things he was doing would make me look at him oddly.. it wouldn't make me not notice him if I see a guy that's 6'3 waving at someone in a lift.

He's not bumbling at all

He is, the difference his element of bumbling is more suttle & real, such as acting (& reacting) awkwardly to comments & situations.. as opposed to the Reeve's bumbling which was banging his knee's of desks & knocking things over.

and it doesn't make much sense if everyone has already seen him without the glasses.

This is besides the point because the movie Superman will have glasses, however if by everyone the only people you have to worry about are Lois, Lex and Perry. Everyone else doesn't really matter.

It's essentially the Dean Cain portrayal of Clark as the 'real person' where Clark and Superman (or the Blur) are played exactly the same with no discernible difference in personality, voice or mannerisms; the glasses 'magically' making people see Clark as different.

As I said, difficult to compare this element in regards to Smallville given that he hasn't really had to seperate the two an awful lot given that no one beyond the JLA has seen or spoke to him.

I guarantee Nolan's script will have a difference to ensure there's a logic and verisimilitude to the duality.

I'm sure there will be a difference & I do want one, however my worry is with the difference being too 'over the top' as I feel it kinda has been in the past films.

I feel acting that way (Reeve/Routh bumbling) would draw more attention to yourself in the real world as opposed to just acting normally..

[Man of Tomorrow]

If anything it should be The PLanet thinking Supes is a phony, save for Lois and a few

One of the things about Lois is that she has always believed in Superman. Or at least from what Ive read

I don't mind if they change that and make Lois a skeptic. Then again, I couldn't care less what they do with Lois. She'll probably get 'Rachel Dawes'-level focus akin to TDK. They're bound to focus on the epic Kryptonian stuff supposedly at the core of the script and Superman VS his nemesis. Action film.

[I Am The Knight]

i beg to differ...i was trying to be logical. i tried reasoning with your logic, but it's hard to reason with emotional responses (i.e. "he looks like a beggar in the streets")....but that's besides the point. let's just call a truce and move on...

Well, to be fair that sentence is missing some context. What I meant to say and didn't write was that he looked like the guy in CONFESSIONS OF A SUPERHERO who takes photos with the tourists and "works for tips". He mostly spends his days in the streets.

Anyway, regarding the darling thing, I do admit I was being a bit of a smartass, but I also do tend to use stuff like "mate", "my lad", "dear" and so on and so forth. It's just a thing. Back to Superman eh :o

[Man of Tomorrow]

How would being normal draw attention to himself.. ?

They were more or less the exact same thing.

Getting stuck in a revolving door is over the top, waving at someone in a lift is over the top, acting like a lost lioncub in a buffalo stampede is over the top..

Well I disagree, the things he was doing would make me look at him oddly.. it wouldn't make me not notice him if I see a guy that's 6'3 waving at someone in a lift.


This is hardly slapstick over the top:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purbzIIQw0s







I'm sure there will be a difference & I do want one, however my worry is with the difference being too 'over the top' as I feel it kinda has been in the past films.

I feel acting that way (Reeve/Routh bumbling) would draw more attention to yourself in the real world as opposed to just acting normally..


In the case of SR, he really didn't draw much attention to himself. People seemed to completely disregard reporter Clark Kent in the DP while focused on Superman. It worked.

He was almost like a ghost in that building. No one paid attention to him, he faded into the background.

If he was actually drawing attention to himself, the result would be different. Instead his invented persona and quite closed-off mannerisms just make people disregard the possibility he could ever be Superman:

(The scene where Richard, at first, suspected Clark of being Superman)


Nolan's CK personality won't be like SR's version, but it's bound to still be an invented persona, exaggerated, that he (the REAL Clark) plays to throw everyone off.

[Dark Knight]

Yeah, to me it just would not make any sense if Nolan and Snyder cast a 23-25 year old as Superman.

If they were going to go the younger route, then there really is no point in recasting the role of Superman.

If that is the case, they should just stick with Routh IMO. Anyhow, here is recent write up below regarding the possible contenders for the role.


http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/celebrities/2010/10/15/15701516.html#/entertainment/celebrities/2010/10/15/pf-15701516.html

[flickchick85]

I also want them to ditch the Donner Clark Kent. Clark Kent should be the good ol' farm boy who was raised well to be modest and humble by Jonathan and Martha Kent. Not a bumbling dork act. To me, Superman should also be an aspect of who he really is, but it's who he is when he knows all eyes are on him, being the savior and role model people look to him to be, serving his higher calling.

I don't consider either persona to be "an act." He just hides aspects of each to preserve his disguise.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It generally goes like this, 3 sides to Kal-El:

Real Clark Kent: The real down to earth guy (seen in the Smallville scenes) raised in Kansas by the Kents. When he's not interacting with his co-workers in Metropolis, whom he's hiding his Superman identity from, he's generally the real CK. He has a past in his hometown and a family to turn to on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usXuL9-uFJw

'Daily Planet' Clark Kent: An exaggerated persona; a disguise to fool his co-workers and the public to thinking he's not Metropolis' famed Superman, including glasses, changes in voice, mannerisms, personality etc. Mainly used at the DP, where he could be so easily exposed

Superman: A public superhero persona; famously known to the world, idolized and praised. Because everyone worldwide knows Superman, he has to conceal himself at the DP with the CK disguise.


There's room within a film to showcase all three sides if done right.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Rumor has it Hammer's on WB's radar:

http://www.moviehole.net/201026993-quick-news-october-16-2010

[Green Ghost]

Yeah, to me it just would not make any sense if Nolan and Snyder cast a 23-25 year old as Superman.

If they were going to go the younger route, then there really is no point in recasting the role of Superman.

If that is the case, they should just stick with Routh IMO. Anyhow, here is recent write up below regarding the possible contenders for the role.


http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/celebrities/2010/10/15/15701516.html#/entertainment/celebrities/2010/10/15/pf-15701516.html

Of course it makes sense to recast, because this is a Reboot!

[SuperDaniel]

Dean Cain had the best build of ALL Supermen. He was the best Clark ever! And at least his costume had the right colors... And he made out all the time with Teri Hatcher. What more could you want?

[LadyVader]

Are you being sarcastic right now?

[elgaz]

Just read over the last 10 pages of this thread and really surprised at the *****iness going on.

We're all Superman fans, we all have our own opinions and should respect each other. SuperMike probably put it best when he said he would be happy if any of these great casting suggestions get a shot, as each have their own merits - I totally agree.

Look on the bright side, at least our suggestions are going along the right lines. Some of us are disagreeing whether Mangiello is better than Hamm or Cavill is better than Hammer - whilst for all we know there could be a WB exec sitting in an office somewhere thinking that someone like Tom Cruise or Matt Damon would be perfect to headline a big movie like this. Stranger things have happened.

Anyway, with regards to recent suggestions, I'm not really feeling the Spencer Conroy one. Whilst on paper he has all the qualities a Superman actor would need (dark haired, decent build, age, face, etc) ............... the final product isn't really the sum of it's parts. I will probably get shot down for this but when I look at some pics of him, he reminds me of George McFly from the original BTTF film - a little quirky looking. Can't really put my finger on why exactly. He'd likely make quite a good Clark Kent in Daily Planet reporter guise, but I just don't get the Superman vibe from him and he looks a little too chiselled/polished to come across as a Kansas farmboy either.

Since he was first mentioned I've been 100% behind Joe Manganiello for the role but as opinion on him seems to be split 50/50 down the line, I went back and tried to totally re-appraise my view of him and see the flaws. And rather than just look at static photos and make some kind of (uninformed) opinion from them, I've rewatched his stints on True Blood, CSi and a few other recent performances.

His nose is not really an issue when you see him in a live performance. It's much more noticeable in photos. But I concede that this could be an issue if he was to be cast as Superman. Why would Superman look like he ever had a broken nose? Even if Zod had taken a potshot at him on some drunken night out :awesome: .......... it would have healed perfectly thanks to his advanced healing powers. But I'm sure if Joe M was as keen to get the role as he appears to be, a simply 1 day procedure on his nose at a clinic wouldn't be out of the question.

After watching him most recently in S3 of True Blood, I have no complaints at all about his acting. He pulls off a very convincing Mississippi accent and in terms of playing a character who turns into a growling Werewolf (but is still essentially one of the good guys), he manages to convey power and aggression whilst still being very likeable. And from a phsyical point of view, he just about has the perfect build for a Superman actor, beyond any other suggestions I've seen here - he's a big, big guy, big enough to intimidate - but very lean and doesn't look like a gorilla in a suit. Cut the hair, lose the beard/stubble (which he always seems to have) and he'd make a great Superman - IMO of course.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IyJFjXcmsgw/TC8ureoNfuI/AAAAAAAACZY/5zFBe_fWBdk/s1600/6a00d8341c2ca253ef0134852b4997970c-400wi.jpg

I think the thing I like about Manganiello also is that he's different. He possess the usual Superman qualities of height, build, dark hair, commanding voice, etc ..... but he looks nothing like Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh or any other actor who has played the role. He'd bring a fresh look to the role and I think if they're intent on making a new Superman movie which is totally unique and not inspired by Donner's films or any TV series, then - cosmetically - the film has to be very new and fresh too.

In saying all that, I liked Routh's performance and if he somehow manages to get recast, there'll be no complaints from me - he has as much right to the Superman role as anyone. I would just hope that he can manage to approach the character differently and not try to ape the Reeve performance like he did under Singer's direction.

[B]

This is hardly slapstick over the top:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purbzIIQw0s



It is a little..

Waving at someone in a crowded lift from 3 feet away is not normal & would therefore draw attention to yourself.. probably not immediatly that your Superman, but you might be mentally challanged, but attention none the less.

In the case of SR, he really didn't draw much attention to himself. People seemed to completely disregard reporter Clark Kent in the DP while focused on Superman. It worked.

He was almost like a ghost in that building. No one paid attention to him, he faded into the background.

If he was actually drawing attention to himself, the result would be different. Instead his invented persona and quite closed-off mannerisms just make people disregard the possibility he could ever be Superman:

(The scene where Richard, at first, suspected Clark of being Superman)

I completely disagree, the various unnaturally silly things he did in front of Lois/Jimmy/Perry/Richard would draw attention to himself, at least in my opinion.

The SR persona didn't have closed-off mannerisms to make people disregard the possbility of him being Superman, his persona was more revolved around the fact of if I trip over this & keep my mouth shut and let people walk over me, or if I just look stupid & like I don't know whats going on it will throw them off the scent..

He did this in the very scene you mentioned, hes listening to Lois & Richard talk about him in regards to his height/simirlarities physically to Superman.. the thing that 'throws them off the trail' isn't that he has a hunched back or is quiet.. its the fact he, for no reason seems to glance round behind him very slowly with a blank glaze on his face followed by yet another goofy wave to Lois & Jimmy..

[LadyVader]

I think goofy people just piss you off. :)

[Daybreak_st]

but the average age of superman tends to be 33. in the Donnerverse (absolutely not saying that it be used), he went in FOS at 18 and came out 12 years later. Smallville (again, not endorsing), he is about 10 years from the middle of HS, so around 28 ish. even if they do an origin story, they will show him as a younger person in "make-up/look" (just like bale in BB as a college student). but when he takes the mantle, he would be around 30. especially if he show him travelling around the world and stuff after college.

i think it would be a better story to show him as a maturing man who realizes that the world needs someone like him, instead of him graduating college and jumping right into becoming superman because of a naive sense of responsibility.

people often cite origin as young. it doesnt have to be. spiderman is really the only one that placed that placed origin as a really young person. Batman's origin is 33, Bond's origin is 38, Iron Man is 43.
i think of origin as the first episode of the superhero, not necessarily when the superhero was young

In Superman Birthright he returns home after his travels just before his 27th birthday. In Man of Steel he travels then is in Metropolis for 3 years fighting crime in secret before revealing himself to the public saving the space plane at 25. The age is usually late 20s. however in the new graphic novle Superman Earth ONe he's only 21 which is an odd twist.

One thing people forget is that the actor doesn't need to be the same age as the character he's portraying as long as he can "pass" for that age. Bruce way was turning 30 in Batman Begins but Christian Bale was a few years older as i recall. The guy just needs to "look" the age, not "be" the age to make it work.

[Rust]

It generally goes like this, 3 sides to Kal-El:

Real Clark Kent: The real down to earth guy (seen in the Smallville scenes) raised in Kansas by the Kents. When he's not interacting with his co-workers in Metropolis, whom he's hiding his Superman identity from, he's generally the real CK. He has a past in his hometown and a family to turn to on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usXuL9-uFJw

'Daily Planet' Clark Kent: An exaggerated persona; a disguise to fool his co-workers and the public to thinking he's not Metropolis' famed Superman, including glasses, changes in voice, mannerisms, personality etc. Mainly used at the DP, where he could be so easily exposed

Superman: A public superhero persona; famously known to the world, idolized and praised. Because everyone worldwide knows Superman, he has to conceal himself at the DP with the CK disguise.


There's room within a film to showcase all three sides if done right.


I guess that clip shows just how much this movie exists in the Donner-verse. That's Glenn Ford in that picture.

Anyways, where would you put his real persona, the kryptonian Kal-El? Is that a new persona they havent' explored or is that really the same as the Smallville Clark Kent and/or his Superman?

[Gianakin_]

It saddens me to see that they cut all of the best scenes from SR, all of the scenes that fleshed out Singer's original vision.

[B]

I think goofy people just piss you off. :)

Not at all, I don't even hate the goofy aspect of the Reeve/Routh performance.. I'd just like to see a little bit of a different take, or at least have it toned down a touch.

[Dark Knight]

Rumor has it Hammer's on WB's radar:

http://www.moviehole.net/201026993-quick-news-october-16-2010






Meh.

I would much rather see Routh again ahead of some soft looking 24 year old named Armie trying to play a tough kick ass Superman. :barf:

[Gianakin_]

Meh.

I would much rather see Routh again ahead of some soft looking 24 year old named Armie trying to play a tough kick ass Superman. :barf:

I like Routh but he was soft looking.
The name has nothing to do with anything.

[Dark Knight]

I like Routh but he was soft looking.
The name has nothing to do with anything.






Your right, the name doesn't have anything to do with it.

The annoying name just makes me not like him even more for Superman.

Ugh.

Oh well, if that guy is cast, then I will have to live with it, and see him get upstaged and schooled by the supporting cast and just try and enjoy the film despite the lousy casting of Superman.

[Ursa]

I've watched some interviews of Armie Hammer, and he's kind of silly...I don't think he would be a good Superman. He doesn't have the presence and charm of Superman.

[Rust]

Luckily then he comes off as a good actor.

[JAK®]

I've watched some interviews of Armie Hammer, and he's kind of silly...I don't think he would be a good Superman. He doesn't have the presence and charm of Superman.
Al Pacino mumbles in interviews. When he acts, he shouts a lot.

How can you judge his acting, by watching him when he's not acting?

[Dark Knight]

I've watched some interviews of Armie Hammer, and he's kind of silly...I don't think he would be a good Superman. He doesn't have the presence and charm of Superman.






Yeah, he would just be a 24 year old soft looking blonde trying to act like a man and try to act tough as Superman.

Lousy.

[Project862006]

TDK talking his super boy crap again

ugh

get old and annoying every page

[Blackman]

Judging someone's interviews on whether they would be good for a character is ridiculous. Sam Worthington is charismatic in his interviews, but not in his movies, Bale is reserved and low in his interviews, he changes that up in his movies

and I agree with Project862006 the "super boy" stuff is really annoying

[Polux]

In Superman Birthright he returns home after his travels just before his 27th birthday. In Man of Steel he travels then is in Metropolis for 3 years fighting crime in secret before revealing himself to the public saving the space plane at 25. The age is usually late 20s. however in the new graphic novle Superman Earth ONe he's only 21 which is an odd twist.

One thing people forget is that the actor doesn't need to be the same age as the character he's portraying as long as he can "pass" for that age. Bruce way was turning 30 in Batman Begins but Christian Bale was a few years older as i recall. The guy just needs to "look" the age, not "be" the age to make it work.

Bale was 29 during the filming of Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne was writen as 29 turning 30 and in the comics he started his career at age 24/25...

And I just forgot why this was any relevant...

Oh yeah! Batman and GL are 30-ish in their movies...it would be cool if Superman too...

*cough*Routh*cough* :awesome:

Polux

[Randal Graves]

I've watched some interviews of Armie Hammer, and he's kind of silly...I don't think he would be a good Superman. He doesn't have the presence and charm of Superman.
Yes, because there's no such thing as acting. :whatever:

[Cain]

Armie Hammer is talented but I really just can't see him as Superman, at all and I've really tried. I don't want Routh again but I'd take him over Hammer in the role if that's what it comes down to.

[DCnightwing23]

Hammer can act all he want, yes he has talent, but is that talent gonna cover up the fact he looks nothing like Superman? The only reason he's even being talked about is 1. Social Network and 2. he's 6"5. Just because the's the tallest one thats been mentioned doesnt automatically make him Superman. And to be honest he has the softest face out of all the candidates mentioned, no strong jawline and a big forehead. Of course Hammer is gonna be on the list of candidates because of the two reasons ive mentioned, but should he get it? I dont think so

[Dark Knight]

TDK talking his super boy crap again

ugh

get old and annoying every page








Can't be as old and as tired as the same crappy suggestions for Superman that are brought up here day in and day out can it? :o

[GreenKToo]

I'm not suggesting anybody else until we know for sure what age they want.
We've heard Hamm rumors, but then we heard that clark will be traveling the world before he becomes Superman, so I don't know.

[GreenKToo]

Double.

[Blackman]

It's really weird when people complain how bad all the choices are but are still in here every day or every other day

[smooth3006]

two peoples names i cannot mention in here and ham have my vote.

[shieldshero]

I think Hammer would look fine. The fact he would tower over other people would be pretty cool. . . good voice also

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u107/shieldshero/hammerman.jpg

[Astrodust]

I don't know. I'm trying to see Armie as Superman, but I keep thinking he's just that average guy at the bar. Doesn't have THAT look to me.

[shieldshero]

I hear ya, but maybe not having THAT look this time, but being able to ACT the character out of the ball park is what we need. . . I think it has to be someone who looks nothing like any previous screen incarnation. . . but has all the character qualities, personal attributes to portray a superman with substance. . .

[Ursa]

I mean that I don't think he has the look or the presence to be Superman, it's not an easy role to portray, it's not for every tall and handsome actor.

And when I say he's silly on interviews was just a commentary.

I can't judge his acting skills based on interviews, and I didn't do that, I just didn't see anything of Superman looking at him as I see when I watch Brandon Routh or Henry Cavill (and even Jon Hamm).

[shieldshero]

Hammer's voice is nigh on identical to Jon Hamm's. . . I vote Hamm for Jor-el, hammer for Kal-el :) . . .

[C. Lee]

I've watched some interviews of Armie Hammer, and he's kind of silly...I don't think he would be a good Superman. He doesn't have the presence and charm of Superman.

Have you ever watched Johnny Depp on a talkshow? He's almost catatonic.

[Project862006]

well heath did'nt look exactly like the joker and cillian Murphy sure as hell did'nt look exactly like scarecrow either same with aaron eckhart as dent but when you saw them act you had the i see the character reaction.

[GreenKToo]

True. whoever gets cast WILL look the part once cameras are rolling. If folks trust nolan as much as they say they do, then they should trust in whomever he and snyder cast. ( I say Nolan because i'm sure he will have a big say so in the casting)

[Ursa]

True. whoever gets cast WILL look the part once cameras are rolling. If folks trust nolan as much as they say they do, then they should trust in whomever he and snyder cast. ( I say Nolan because i'm sure he will have a big say so in the casting)

Kate Bosworth, for exemple, NEVER looks the part of Lois.

Back in 2005 (almost) everybody trust on Bryan Singer, and then...

But I think they'll take a lot of care this time, they can't make mistakes anymore.

[Blackman]

Have you ever watched Johnny Depp on a talkshow? He's almost catatonic.
lol yeah that's always been really funny to me. I mean he goes from being this: :dry: to being Jack Sparrow and the guy from Fear and Loathing in LAs Vegas. It's crazy


And on Hammer's look. I actually think if they dye his hair he would have a great look for Supes. A lot are saying that he doesnt look like Supes, but I'd have to disagree

[MAN O STEEL]

he's (Hammer) just that average guy at the bar
Yes, a 6'5 tall, handsome man with a deep voice & the ability to make every girl in the place moist on first site is just the "Average Guy" at the bar. The dude looks anything but average.



Steve

[gdw]

I don't know. I'm trying to see Armie as Superman, but I keep thinking he's just that average guy at the bar. Doesn't have THAT look to me.

Well, if he can pull that off, it's perfect for Clark at least. He needs to be able to blend in and be "average."

[Rhiannon]

Asking this in sincere curiosity, not sarcasm. Does everyone in here think there's a chance of any of these actors being picked, or are people just having fun making suggestions and assuming WB will pick someone most people haven't heard of? For example, did anyone guess Brandon Routh being cast for Superman Returns?

Is there any case on the Hype where members correctly predicted casting of a character? Just wondering if casting directors pay attention to these kinds of thread and internet buzz, or if this is just kind of a way to pass the time.

[Compi716]

Asking this in sincere curiosity, not sarcasm. Does everyone in here think there's a chance of any of these actors being picked, or are people just having fun making suggestions and assuming WB will pick someone most people haven't heard of? For example, did anyone guess Brandon Routh being cast for Superman Returns?

Is there any case on the Hype where members correctly predicted casting of a character? Just wondering if casting directors pay attention to these kinds of thread and internet buzz, or if this is just kind of a way to pass the time.
Well, one of the reasons Christian Bale was looked as was the strong support of the fans. And I guess you can count Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool.

In most cases, though, fan suggestions rarely turn out to be true. It's pretty rare when an actor backed by the fans in chosen for the role. However, that doesn't mean said actor won't be granted a read or screentest.

[Rhiannon]

Thanks, Compi716. Never knew Christian Bale had fans suggesting him for Batman before he earned the role. Very cool!

[SuperMike335!!]

Well, one of the reasons Christian Bale was looked as was the strong support of the fans. And I guess you can count Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool.

In most cases, though, fan suggestions rarely turn out to be true. It's pretty rare when an actor backed by the fans in chosen for the role. However, that doesn't mean said actor won't be granted a read or screentest.

That is why I wonder why so many people get bent out of shape and angry when someone is suggested who they do not like.

People toss around that "__balnk__ is really so bad for the role/bad actor" as an insult to insult all but their OWN choice.

Why is it so bothersome if the most fan support could lead to their casting, could at best only get a guy a screen test?

Because if __blank__ is so awful, then he would get weeded out in the screen test.

Maybe they are worried that the so-called "bad actor" would hit it out of the park at the screen test?

[DCnightwing23]

So according to Man O Steel we need someone that can make women wet at first site? Umm no, just because some consider him attractive should not mean we cast the guy, the guy is not intimidating at all. Okay he's 6"5 but does that mean anything when the guy has a soft almost baby face about him? Nope, and nothing ive seen him in screams Superman to me at all, his only big movie has been social network and even in that he's only alright in that movie, yes he has potential but not as superman. I think alot (almost everyone) is throwing is name out because of his height, so what. Honestly the guy looks nothing like superman and from what ive seen of him has shown me little that he could play superman. If he's so attractive how about we let Hammer go along that josh duhamel and put him in romantic comedies and sub par action flicks. Keep him away from Superman please.

[Dark Knight]

This is how the next suit should look like and how the actor playing the next Superman should like below. Sorry if the image is too small:

[Keyser Soze]

It's funny. With how crazy-stubborn people get about how Superman must look EXACTLY THIS WAY to the point where anyone who even remotely deviates from the precise image in their heads is rejected, I can only imagine the outrage that would have exploded if there had been an internet back when young, soft-featured, brown-haired Christopher Reeve was cast as Superman.

[romeogbs19]

It's funny. With how crazy-stubborn people get about how Superman must look EXACTLY THIS WAY to the point where anyone who even remotely deviates from the precise image in their heads is rejected, I can only imagine the outrage that would have exploded if there had been an internet back when young, soft-featured, brown-haired Christopher Reeve was cast as Superman.

Absolutely agree. This is even more true when one considers how so many people here keep posting images of muscle-bound brutes or say he or she is too small, too skinny, etc.

These people probably have no idea that when Siegel and Shuster first created Superman, he was hardly the buff, macho man National Press transformed him into during the late 50s/60s. The original Man of Steel was envisioned as an average guy/average build. Today's Superman looks more like something out of pro wrestling.

As much as I disliked SR, it wasn't because of Routh; Singer's vision of Superman is very close to the original -- Routh more closely resembled the original Siegel/Shuster interpretation.

I like the recent rumors that Routh might be reconsidered for the role. Personally, if they go back to a young S-man, I can't really think of anyone I'd rather see than him.

[Daybreak_st]

Bale was 29 during the filming of Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne was writen as 29 turning 30 and in the comics he started his career at age 24/25...

And I just forgot why this was any relevant...

Oh yeah! Batman and GL are 30-ish in their movies...it would be cool if Superman too...

*cough*Routh*cough* :awesome:

Polux


And yet most films take around 3 years to make even if in "movie time" it's the next day hence the actor even if they start out as the same age as the character won't age with the character equivalently. Hence the point that the actual age of the actor does not matter as long as they look the part. Reeve was like 24 playing 30 in Superman and it worked. They just need to look right for the part.

[Daybreak_st]

People need to remember that long before Reeve these guys were the face of Superman and for many fans still are:

Kirk Alyn

http://www.supermantv.net/images/kirk-alyn.jpg

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/serials/i-kirkalyn2.jpg

and George Reeves:

http://www.prairieghosts.com/reeves.jpg

http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainn ameatlonglast.com/images9/superman.jpg

Vastly different that Christopher Reeve. Realize folks they are not casting "The Christopher Reeve Story" they're casting Superman. The actor doesn't need to look like Reeve he needs to look like Superman. Plenty of people out there fit that description. Solid build, decent height, dark hair, handsome face, their you go.

Personally i think guys like Spencer Conway are a great find. Get a few more like him, give them a screen test and see what happens. You can't honestly look at some of these people and not see the potential for Superman. Also keep in mind that the "comic" look was changed to reflect Chris Reeve not the other way around. just got a'hold of some old 50s Superman comics and he doesn't look anything like Reeve:

Golden and Silver Age Superman:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/30154/611411-silver_age_superman_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/21012/424026-1_super.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5630/pc13zu7.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/super-heroes/silver-age/talent/curt_swan_2.jpg

http://metropolisplus.com/Superman/Superman09.jpg

[gdw]

This is how the next suit should look like and how the actor playing the next Superman should like below. Sorry if the image is too small:


http://co106w.col106.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=84f0691f-db10-11df-8420-00237de3a320&Aux=4|0|8CD3D346CEF6510||0|0|0|0||&maxwidth=220&maxheight=160&size=Att

Link's requesting a log in. Got another link, or perhaps save the images and upload them elsewhere?

[SuperMike335!!]

I'm not saying that Armie Hammer is the only, or even my first choice.
I am ok with him if he is cast however, as I can tell he actually has the underlying facial structure.

The reason some here do not see it, is Armie's bodyfat%.
Obviously working with a bodybuilding coach is a must for MOST superhero roles, and for sure applies to Superman as well.

Its not just about adding muscle, it is also about stripping bodyfat. Getting him into shape would certainly bring out that "defined' look.
In other words, for his face to look chiseled, he needs to get his body chiseled.

The other thing that makes him look "softer" is the blond hair. Dye his hair black, have him do "whatever it takes" :cwink:, with a bodybuilding coach to drop 5% of his bodyfat and pack on 30 pounds of muscle, and I bet his look would then change a lot of minds.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/968/48429999.jpg

[Rust]

Imo it's pretty difficult to settle on most suggestions in here before actually seing them as Superman in the costume. That could easily make the difference.

[M.O.Steel]

Kate Bosworth, for exemple, NEVER looks the part of Lois.

Back in 2005 (almost) everybody trust on Bryan Singer, and then...

But I think they'll take a lot of care this time, they can't make mistakes anymore.

i disagree, with the right direction, she would have made an awesome lois.

[BruceWanner]

I don't know. I'm trying to see Armie as Superman, but I keep thinking he's just that average guy at the bar. Doesn't have THAT look to me.

Ah, but there's a school of thought that says that this would actually help, rather than hinder the character. Kal needs to look at least somewhat average or else he'd never be able to blend in as Clark in a million years. Someone as distinctive-looking as Christopher Reeve or Dean Cain barely made it work already lol.

Edit: I think the Clark Kent "disguise" was probably helped considerably from the 40's through the 60's when men commonly wore fedora hats and Clark was regularly depicted wearing one when out in public.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm not saying that Armie Hammer is the only, or even my first choice.
I am ok with him if he is cast however, as I can tell he actually has the underlying facial structure.

The reason some here do not see it, is Armie's bodyfat%.
Obviously working with a bodybuilding coach is a must for MOST superhero roles, and for sure applies to Superman as well.

Its not just about adding muscle, it is also about stripping bodyfat. Getting him into shape would certainly bring out that "defined' look.
In other words, for his face to look chiseled, he needs to get his body chiseled.

The other thing that makes him look "softer" is the blond hair. Dye his hair black, have him do "whatever it takes" :cwink:, with a bodybuilding coach to drop 5% of his bodyfat and pack on 30 pounds of muscle, and I bet his look would then change a lot of minds.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/968/48429999.jpg

I don't think encouraging steroid use is a good idea. I don't really want a repeat of the "Chris Hemsworth isn't big enough, if he really cared about this part he'd take steroids!" argument.

[BruceWanner]

I don't think encouraging steroid use is a good idea. I don't really want a repeat of the "Chris Hemsworth isn't big enough, if he really cared about this part he'd take steroids!" argument.

Holy crap! You mean to tell me that there are actually people who think this is too "slight?" http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3350/37750442693734803364544.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/37750442693734803364544.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Edit: I'd like to play devil's advocate here for a second. While I'm not exactly advocating steroid use, here's my perspective from the little bit of information I know on the subject. If an actor did maybe just one cycle, under a doctor's close supervision, they should probably be fine. However, please don't take my word for it as my main (read pretty much only) source of info on steroids is Chris Bell's documentary film "Bigger, Stronger, Faster."

[Crazymaverick]

You know I'm coming around to Armie Hammer.

I've never seen him in anything, so I don't know about acting talent, but he does kinda have the look. He just needs to 'Gerard Butler' up as far as that is concerned.

[Rust]

I think Hammer may be sharing 1st places with Cavill for me here. I'm leaning more towards size now. Pretty lame, but I want raw physical Superpower done Snyder-style. I dont think Cavill fits the Snyder-attitude. Damn..

On a sidenote, anybody thinks there's any truth to the whole Snyder-warming-up-to-Routh-talk?

[Eze]

I think Hammer may be sharing 1st places with Cavill for me here. I'm leaning more towards size now. Pretty lame, but I want raw physical Superpower done Snyder-style. I dont think Cavill fits the Snyder-attitude. Damn..

On a sidenote, anybody thinks there's any truth to the whole Snyder-warming-up-to-Routh-talk?

After seeing preview pages of Superman: Earth One, and how Routh-like Superman is drawn, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[Rhiannon]

I don't have a top pick or anything, but I like the picture of Hammer's face a few posts up. I can see Superman in the brow and eyes. He does look a little soft, but maybe like SuperMike335 said, building some muscle would help with that.

So excited to see who they eventually pick.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd be down with Hammer or anyother half-way decent actor.

[gdw]

After seeing preview pages of Superman: Earth One, and how Routh-like Superman is drawn, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

What would that have to do with the movie though?

[GreenKToo]

I wouldn't throw a hissy fit if you-know-who was re-cast, but it would kinda be a disappointment, for me it would be anyway.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Eh, I'd throw a fit but I don't believe he is going to be recast anyway so I'm not even thinking about that right now. Can't imagine WB being that dumb by connecting this movie with a movie that half the movie going public didn't give a s**t about one way or the other. This is their last chance and I believe that they wouldn't make such a mistake. After all of the rumors they didn't go with the writer/Brother of Nolan to direct a 200million dollar film did they?

[Castro]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/968/48429999.jpg

I was honestly warming up to Hammer until i saw this pic and now i can't get Paul Walker? The guy from Fast Furious movies? Horrible, can't get the resemblance out of my head now. Ruined.

[Superman2007]

I was honestly warming up to Hammer until i saw this pic and now i can't get Paul Walker? The guy from Fast Furious movies? Horrible, can't get the resemblance out of my head now. Ruined.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/f/fast_and_furious_080828/04_paul_walker.jpg

Paul Walker is not amused...

[SuperMike335!!]

Holy crap! You mean to tell me that there are actually people who think this is too "slight?"

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3350/37750442693734803364544.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Edit: I'd like to play devil's advocate here for a second. While I'm not exactly advocating steroid use, here's my perspective from the little bit of information I know on the subject. If an actor did maybe just one cycle, under a doctor's close supervision, they should probably be fine. However, please don't take my word for it as my main (read pretty much only) source of info on steroids is Chris Bell's documentary film "Bigger, Stronger, Faster."

I know quite a bit more than what was shown in Bigger Stronger Faster, but the film is overall correct. WITH a doctors supervision, a healthy ADULT male using male hormones, for a limited duration of less than a year is not at much risk.

The people who are at the most risk would be non-adults who are not mentally or physically mature, and the hormones can then have devastating effects on both physical and mental health.

When I say adult I do not even mean just over the age of 18, I mean a full 21+, as even in late teens the body and brain is still developing. These are powerful hormones that only adult male bodies have the ability to safely handle (that is an over-simplification, I admit, but do not have time to type up an essay).

Hollywood is not candy land folks. Its an adult world.


http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6383/mordorwood.jpg
You only HEAR about the Hollywood quack job doctors that screw up, or when an actor gets 4 different prescriptions for the same pain medication from 4 different doctors and end up OD'ing on Oxycotin or Sedatives.

You NEVER HEAR about the larger amount of Hollywood doctors who help their adult male clients get in shape for roles, with no serious or permanent side effects. I cannot recall the last time an actor got sick from short term steroid use. Because it does not happen when it’s a healthy adult male, under the supervision of a doctor who knows how to monitor for side effects and adjust the dose accordingly, and the use is short term.

Granted even then these medications don't do the work for the actor. All they can do is amplify the results of what they are already doing in the gym and what they are eating. They still have to work hardcore in the Gym each day, and they still have to eat right. You cannot show up to the set 30 pounds heavier is 2/3's of it is fat and water.

Either Helmsworth has been working with a hollywood doctor as well as a bodybuilding coach, OR he is slightly CG enhanced.

Here is what he used to look like. Now he could get where he is naturally with years of dedication under his belt, but nobody goes in a very short period of time without a bit of chemical help, or CG work, from this:

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/2622/chrishemsworth.jpg

To this:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/609/chrishelmsworththor.jpg

[Sub-Zero]

are you trying to say that actors can age? those pics look like a 16 yr old hemsworth and a 27 yr old one. you act like the beach shot was taken months before he started training. i doubt it was. christian bale is a great example of someone who didn't get enhancements for a role. we went from 125 lbs for the machinist to ~210 for batman begins.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't care if an actor takes HGH or roids and I'm not saying that Hemsworth did or didn't but it's silly to compare how he looks in Thor to a picture that was obviously taken years ago when he was a kid. Really silly.

[Polux]

are you trying to say that actors can age? those pics look like a 16 yr old hemsworth and a 27 yr old one. you act like the beach shot was taken months before he started training. i doubt it was. christian bale is a great example of someone who didn't get enhancements for a role. we went from 125 lbs for the machinist to ~210 for batman begins.

Yet a lot of people like to think (and say) that Bale did use steroids; even tho he denied it....I believe the guy, he never came off as a phoney.


Polux

[Polux]

Kate Bosworth, for exemple, NEVER looks the part of Lois.

Back in 2005 (almost) everybody trust on Bryan Singer, and then...

But I think they'll take a lot of care this time, they can't make mistakes anymore.

Kate Bosworth (in SR) looked exactly like 1940´s Lois Lane (which, at the same time, looks completely different than nowadays´ Lois).

Not defending her, just saying...:awesome:


Polux

[Sub-Zero]

deniro gained weight for raging bull. the only fake part of that transformation was the fake nose. tobey maguire got ripped for spider-man, he was pretty skinny and wimpy looking before that. actors don't have to take steroids to gain muscle. they work at it and the production hires trainers for them. if someone works out every day for 3 months they're going to look very different.

stallone took hgh for the expendables. i think other actors wouldn't have to lie about it. plus i'm sure it was difficult for a 60+ man to get in that shape.

[SuperMike335!!]

I don't care if an actor takes HGH or roids and I'm not saying that Hemsworth did or didn't but it's silly to compare how he looks in Thor to a picture that was obviously taken years ago when he was a kid. Really silly.

My POINT was that such a change would not happen naturally unless it took years.

Did you read this right above the image?

Now he could get where he is naturally with years of dedication under his belt, but nobody goes in a very short period of time

He was not a kid in this picture however, not unless he sprouted a beard at a young age:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/186/chrishemsworth1.jpg

[Sub-Zero]

what does this have to do with superman casting? superman doesn't need to be a body builder, nor does he have to be bigger than thor. thor's a god, superman needs to fit into society. a 6'8," steroid-enhanced actor playing clark kent wouldn't make any sense.

routh was gigantic going by all those workout pics and videos from the superman returns production, but people still complained.

[SuperMike335!!]

deniro gained weight for raging bull. the only fake part of that transformation was the fake nose. tobey maguire got ripped for spider-man, he was pretty skinny and wimpy looking before that. actors don't have to take steroids to gain muscle. they work at it and the production hires trainers for them. if someone works out every day for 3 months they're going to look very different.

stallone took hgh for the expendables. i think other actors wouldn't have to lie about it. plus i'm sure it was difficult for a 60+ man to get in that shape.

Tobey I would believe did it without an AAS.

Deniro looked in good shape, but nothing that I would think required it either.

Stallone got in trouble with Ausy customs, that is why you heard about him.

If you think somebody can gain 85 pounds of muscle, drug free, in only a few months, and that he just "magically" grew a horrible temper go ahead and believe him.

Because I don't Believe Christian Bale when he says it was just good eating and his trainer that helped him pack on 85 pounds of muscle in the short amount of time.

[SuperMike335!!]

what does this have to do with superman casting? superman doesn't need to be a body builder, nor does he have to be bigger than thor. thor's a god, superman needs to fit into society. a 6'8," steroid-enhanced actor playing clark kent wouldn't make any sense.

routh was gigantic going by all those workout pics and videos from the superman returns production, but people still complained.

Nobody is saying he needs to look like a bodybuilder either. Nobody wants him to look pencil thin either.

I just point out, when people say that there is no-way the an actor who is thin can get into the right shape by filming, that actors will do whatever it takes to get into shape for the role, and they will show up with 30 more pounds of muscle, weather they do it natural or not.

Most actors could care less about taking moral high ground for getting in shape. To them moral high ground IS whatever it takes to meet their goal as an actor.

So its a non-issue if someone like Armie Hammer does not have the build for such a role, and his bodyfat% is too high, and his face does not look chiseled enough.

Whatever it takes, just means that he will show up to the set looking right, or wont take the role.

Then the concept got derailed into people not believing any holy actor would ever consider steroids as "whatever it takes" to get into the right shape for the role.

[Project862006]

armie hammer is'nt even a twig or anything

also hammer looks good with brown/black hair
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p393/mondschaefchen/Gossip%20Girl/ArmieBlakeLively.jpg

[SuperMike335!!]

armie hammer is'nt even a twig or anything

also hammer looks good with brown/black hair


People say his face looks "too soft".

I think that if he got into really good shape, his face would look more chiseled too.

[SuperMike335!!]

You could be right or not (since neither you or me have any proof, we´re both assuming), still, no reason for you to be a smarta$$...


Polux

Ok,

That was a little over the top. :csad:

It was not directed at you so much as Bale himself.

[Maze]

To have more an idea about how Chris Hemsworth changed:

2008/Star trek

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/lamaman/292px-George_Kirk.jpg?t=1287528796


2009/Cash
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/lamaman/chris-hemsworth-cash-stills.jpg?t=1287528796

2010 some month before shooting Thor

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/lamaman/chris_hemsworth_4.jpg?t=1287528796

Comic con 2010

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/lamaman/chris_hemsworth.jpg?t=1287528796



http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/lamaman/ChrisHemsworthOpeningGalaUnmaskingResnicklJfxWIzR6 Fcl.jpg?t=1287528796

September 2010

[Dark Knight]

I know quite a bit more than what was shown in Bigger Stronger Faster, but the film is overall correct. WITH a doctors supervision, a healthy ADULT male using male hormones, for a limited duration of less than a year is not at much risk.

The people who are at the most risk would be non-adults who are not mentally or physically mature, and the hormones can then have devastating effects on both physical and mental health.

When I say adult I do not even mean just over the age of 18, I mean a full 21+, as even in late teens the body and brain is still developing. These are powerful hormones that only adult male bodies have the ability to safely handle (that is an over-simplification, I admit, but do not have time to type up an essay).

Hollywood is not candy land folks. Its an adult world.


http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6383/mordorwood.jpg
You only HEAR about the Hollywood quack job doctors that screw up, or when an actor gets 4 different prescriptions for the same pain medication from 4 different doctors and end up OD'ing on Oxycotin or Sedatives.

You NEVER HEAR about the larger amount of Hollywood doctors who help their adult male clients get in shape for roles, with no serious or permanent side effects. I cannot recall the last time an actor got sick from short term steroid use. Because it does not happen when it’s a healthy adult male, under the supervision of a doctor who knows how to monitor for side effects and adjust the dose accordingly, and the use is short term.

Granted even then these medications don't do the work for the actor. All they can do is amplify the results of what they are already doing in the gym and what they are eating. They still have to work hardcore in the Gym each day, and they still have to eat right. You cannot show up to the set 30 pounds heavier is 2/3's of it is fat and water.

Either Helmsworth has been working with a hollywood doctor as well as a bodybuilding coach, OR he is slightly CG enhanced.

Here is what he used to look like. Now he could get where he is naturally with years of dedication under his belt, but nobody goes in a very short period of time without a bit of chemical help, or CG work, from this:

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/2622/chrishemsworth.jpg

To this:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/609/chrishelmsworththor.jpg









You can totally tell Hemsworth was on performance enhancing drugs.

[Blackman]

how? because he's muscular?

[DCnightwing23]

The fact is Armie Hammers head is the same shape as Adam Sandler, i dont think i want a egghead for Superman, and also Hemsworth even with the extensive muscle he gained his face shape still stayed the same, the only real difference facial structure wise is that he has facial hair, which i dont think Hammer would grow a beard to play Superman. Hammer just isnt the right choice, he's only being talked about because of his height and the social network, which ive stated countless times. He's a joke, he hasnt shown any acting ability leading me to believe he could pulloff a iconic role of Superman and dont even try stating that playing lame twins means anything.
The fact people are saying his face will chisel if he gets bulked up is absurd, how many times have we seen Christian Bale get bulked up doesnt his face shape change? Nope. Hemsworth? Nope. Chris Evans? Nope. Robert Downey Jr.? Nope. His look is off, and some of you are saying he looks like superman, the one from the 1940's or something, okay yeah Hammer could play Superman way back then, times have changed, Superman's look as we know it has changed, this isnt the 1940's or 50's its 2010. Hammer does not fit a Superman of this say and age, and he hasnt proved or shown anything to prove me otherwise.

[Project862006]

those are some dumb complaints

WOW LOL

[Strider14]

what does this have to do with superman casting? superman doesn't need to be a body builder, nor does he have to be bigger than thor. thor's a god, superman needs to fit into society. a 6'8," steroid-enhanced actor playing clark kent wouldn't make any sense.

routh was gigantic going by all those workout pics and videos from the superman returns production, but people still complained.

No one is saying Superman should be 6'8". I do believe he should have some ability to stand toe to toe with Thor though. I certainly don't want a short and wimpy Superman.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2076x4n.jpg

As far as Routh being gigantic....are you kidding? He and I are the same size and I don't think I have ever met someone who has described me as gigantic.

Someone also mentioned Toby Maguire being ripped. There is a difference between putting on a little muscle and toning up and being ripped. Big difference.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Gigantic now.

[SuperMike335!!]

Gigantic now.

Too late.

[C. Lee]

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[RachelDawes]

Eh, I'd throw a fit but I don't believe he is going to be recast anyway so I'm not even thinking about that right now. Can't imagine WB being that dumb by connecting this movie with a movie that half the movie going public didn't give a s**t about one way or the other. This is their last chance and I believe that they wouldn't make such a mistake. After all of the rumors they didn't go with the writer/Brother of Nolan to direct a 200million dollar film did they?

I don't think Routh's coming back, either. I believe Nolan or someone already said that there wouldn't be any connection to previous films.

[Jake Cassidy]

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No nudity and no cursing? You gotta take all the fun out of life don't cha? :woot: :oldrazz:

[Eze]

You can totally tell Hemsworth was on performance enhancing drugs.

Only if you can confirm that he wasn't on a calorie restricted diet during the "modelling" phase of his career.

The biggest obstacle to physical gains is the 9-5 grind that we, the people, can't avoid. For those who only need to eat, sleep and train with all their nutritional and financial needs covered, it's much easier to make substantial gains.

[I Am The Knight]

No nudity and no cursing? You gotta take all the fun out of life don't cha? :woot: :oldrazz:

Tell me about it. We should at least be able to curse properly in here. Just sayin' :o

[Octoberist]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=19084214#post19084214)
Eh, I'd throw a fit but I don't believe he is going to be recast anyway so I'm not even thinking about that right now. Can't imagine WB being that dumb by connecting this movie with a movie that half the movie going public didn't give a s**t about one way or the other. This is their last chance and I believe that they wouldn't make such a mistake. After all of the rumors they didn't go with the writer/Brother of Nolan to direct a 200million dollar film (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=339773&page=126#) did they?
The reality is this: THAT in movie in question never really resonated with the mainstream audience. A recast won't confuse people because I can tell right now, majority of the pubic probably have forgotten about 'Returns' by now.

[Superark]

The reality is this: THAT in movie in question never really resonated with the mainstream audience. A recast won't confuse people because I can tell right now, I most of the pubic have probably forgotten about the movie by now.

Honestly, my folks who watch Chuck didn't even recognize him as the guy who played Superman.

People are making too big deal out of the recasting, whether they are for it or against it. I think they are giving the general audience too much credit. It's simply fanboy arguments

[Dark Knight]

Only if you can confirm that he wasn't on a calorie restricted diet during the "modelling" phase of his career.

The biggest obstacle to physical gains is the 9-5 grind that we, the people, can't avoid. For those who only need to eat, sleep and train with all their nutritional and financial needs covered, it's much easier to make substantial gains.







Look at how big his head is now...compared to how big his head was before.

HGH anyone?

[Octoberist]

Honestly, my folks who watch Chuck didn't even recognize him as the guy who played Superman.

People are making too big deal out of the recasting, whether they are for it or against it. I think they are giving the general audience too much credit. It's simply fanboy arguments

Pretty much.

[Superark]

Only if you can confirm that he wasn't on a calorie restricted diet during the "modelling" phase of his career.

The biggest obstacle to physical gains is the 9-5 grind that we, the people, can't avoid. For those who only need to eat, sleep and train with all their nutritional and financial needs covered, it's much easier to make substantial gains.


Honestly, I don't care if someone takes something a little extra to gain the mass if that's what they have to do or should I say willing to do.

But I'm sorry the 9-5 thing has nothing to do with how one is able to put on more size or not. Probably the most important factor in gaining muscle is to not overtrain and to let the body rest from the workouts. These actors are not working out anymore than most of the serious gym junkies who have regular jobs.

How you put on size is largely depending on your frame and your genetics. Not everyone puts on mass the same way, and I can tell you that the way some actors put on mass as quick as they do is not natural or because they are getting all the best personal trainers and diets.

I work in a gym and have played sports a majority of my life. You just don't thrown on 20lbs-30lbs of muscle without assistance.

Now the question you have to ask is whether you care or not about an actor using drugs to gain mass if that's what they have to do? Personally I don't care

[Jake Cassidy]

The reality is this: THAT in movie in question never really resonated with the mainstream audience. A recast won't confuse people because I can tell right now, majority of the pubic probably have forgotten about 'Returns' by now.

Honestly, my folks who watch Chuck didn't even recognize him as the guy who played Superman.

People are making too big deal out of the recasting, whether they are for it or against it. I think they are giving the general audience too much credit. It's simply fanboy arguments

Common sense? That doesn't belong here. :cmad:

[Octoberist]

Octoberist wins again!

[annie.j88]

A REMINDER!!!!!

Videos with uncensored cursing in them are not allowed.

Quoting the post that has the video with uncensored cursing is not allowed either.

why not?

[SuperMike335!!]

A REMINDER!!!!!

Videos with uncensored cursing in them are not allowed.

Quoting the post that has the video with uncensored cursing is not allowed either.

Sorry. :csad:

Next time I'll just say "do a youtube search for"...

[C. Lee]

why not?

It's fairly simple....since we don't allow uncensored cursing to be written here at the Hype, we also don't allow videos with audio to speak uncensored cursing in them. It kind of defeats the purpose of not allowing them to be wrote down if we would allow for people to speak them.

Next question...why do we censor cursing in the first place?

Answer - this a comic book related site that strives to be open to all people...many youngsters visit us as well as adults at thier computers at work. We don't want things appearing that will get either of these kind folks in trouble from thier parents or bosses.

[C. Lee]

No nudity and no cursing? You gotta take all the fun out of life don't cha? :woot: :oldrazz:
Yes...that's my sole purpose in life...I live for nothing else but to tell people to watch thier potty mouths.
Tell me about it. We should at least be able to curse properly in here. Just sayin' :o
No...you shouldn't.
Yeah mate. Cursing is juvenile fun.

You got that right.

[djkris]

I just watched "The A-Team" movie and in the end, Jon Hamm makes a cameo appearance. He is at least one head taller than Jessica Biel, who I think is not a short woman. He plays a CIA agent and even if he is in it for 20 seconds or so, he really has a presence. Even the main characters paled against him...

[Daybreak_st]

It's fairly simple....since we don't allow uncensored cursing to be written here at the Hype, we also don't allow videos with audio to speak uncensored cursing in them. It kind of defeats the purpose of not allowing them to be wrote down if we would allow for people to speak them.

Next question...why do we censor cursing in the first place?

Answer - this a comic book related site that strives to be open to all people...many youngsters visit us as well as adults at thier computers at work. We don't want things appearing that will get either of these kind folks in trouble from thier parents or bosses.

I want to say thank you for this too, as i check a lot of this stuff out at work. Also limiting the cursing and some of the more junvielle antics raises the quality of the site quite frankly and gives it a more professional vibe.

[7heBoss]

I just watched "The A-Team" movie and in the end, Jon Hamm makes a cameo appearance. He is at least one head taller than Jessica Biel, who I think is not a short woman. He plays a CIA agent and even if he is in it for 20 seconds or so, he really has a presence. Even the main characters paled against him...

yeah, it was such a strong presence that i must have not even noticed that he was there. seriously, i didn't realize he was in there. he isn't anything special. i think that the people that like him will notice his presence but others won't. I doubt random people leaving the theater were like, "hey, did you guys see that random cia agent? he did a good job! totally made the movie"

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, I didn't get it was him until djkris's post today.

[Eze]

...But I'm sorry the 9-5 thing has nothing to do with how one is able to put on more size or not. Probably the most important factor in gaining muscle is to not overtrain and to let the body rest from the workouts. These actors are not working out anymore than most of the serious gym junkies who have regular jobs...

You have just made my point. This is why actors in preproduction can make gains that seem unrealistic to us burdened with the stress of 9-5 jobs. The actors in question aren't working out anymore than gym rats, but unlike them they have longer periods to rest and recuperate because they don't have to punch clock 40 hours a week or figure out how to make ends meet on a pathetic annual income.

Look at how big his head is now...compared to how big his head was before.

HGH anyone?

I didn't notice it before, but I'll have to agree, his head growth looks like a side effect of HGH. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but that is very suspicious.

Personally, I'd rather actors bulk up than pad up, and if they can't do it without some kind of juice, so be it. Routh looked horrible in his muscle suit, CR wouldn't wear one because he wanted to believe he was Superman, and didn't think he could wearing foam muscles.

I think this is what makes his performance as Superman stand out. CR believed in himself to a greater degree than others had before or since, due to his ability to wear a thin leotard with pride.

[Project862006]

I just watched "The A-Team" movie and in the end, Jon Hamm makes a cameo appearance. He is at least one head taller than Jessica Biel, who I think is not a short woman. He plays a CIA agent and even if he is in it for 20 seconds or so, he really has a presence. Even the main characters paled against him...

well Biel is 5'8 so i am sure Hamm is 6 foot then like we already knew

[M.O.Steel]

i don't know how old karl urban is, but watching RED, i thought he would make a good superman

[Project862006]

Urban is 38

[GinsterHead]

Not to mention the fact that he's got the Star Trek sequel coming up. And Dredd.

[Blackman]

Urban as Supes? Even w/o his scheduling I dont think he'd be good for it

[Project862006]

Now this is a different choice(out of left field) but what about Lee Pace(The Fall,A Single Man,The Good Shepard) for Superman he is 30 and 6'3

just trying to mix things up in here:awesome:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/drenchrome/005.jpg
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/miss_pettigrew17.jpg
http://www.thepiemaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lee-pace-emmys.jpg
http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/s/c/a/scandaleusement-celebre-2006-02-g.jpg

[hopefuldreamer]

Wow, looks like I was better off having not visited this thread in a while.

I think the problem is we are like hungry dogs. Give us a suggestion, and we're all fighting over each other to rip into them.

I'm quite looking forward to seeing the social network, both for Garfield (to get an idea of our new spidey), but also to see if Hammer is any good.

[Polux]

Now this is a different choice(out of left field) but what about Lee Pace(The Fall,A Single Man,The Good Shepard) for Superman he is 30 and 6'3

just trying to mix things up in here:awesome:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/drenchrome/005.jpg
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/miss_pettigrew17.jpg
http://www.thepiemaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lee-pace-emmys.jpg

He used to be in that "Daysies something" show, right?? (can´t remember the name) I loved that show :awesome:


Polux

[Blackman]

Lee PAce is the man
Supe's I'm not so sure. I think he'd make a good Steve Trevor or Cyclops. If he's cast as Supes I would be intrigued

[annie.j88]

Yes...that's my sole purpose in life...I live for nothing else but to tell people to watch thier potty mouths.

No...you shouldn't.


You got that right.

hey, fair enough, man, as a friend of mine pointed out - this is yours and whoever else's site, you can do whatever you want in regards to rules you set.

if someone doesn't like it - they can easily go visit another site - that is their choice :yay:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Pushing Daisies.

He reminds me of Nick Cage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOn0MK0toK0&feature=related

Someone call Tim Burton!

[Man of Tomorrow]

I think he'd make a good Steve Trevor or Cyclops. If he's cast as Supes I would be intrigued

He'd be perfect for Steve Trevor. Shame they're dragging their heels on the WW movie.

[LadyVader]

I looooove Lee Pace. He was in Pushing Daisies and you can see him as sort of a heroic character in The Fall. That one's got some good guns on him if he'd work out. :) However outside of his height and natural charm and intelligence, I don't see him as Superman. He'd be an awesome Clark Kent though.

[Project862006]

he would make a great charming clark kent not sure about supes yet tho but he is a great actor

kinda looks like Jake G personally lol

[cronosred]

Now this is a different choice(out of left field) but what about Lee Pace(The Fall,A Single Man,The Good Shepard) for Superman he is 30 and 6'3

just trying to mix things up in here:awesome:



I think he would make a great Superman.

[TheWatcher]

TheWatcher presents The SHH! way of casting threads.

Poster #1- TW is FTWZ.
C.Lee-Banned
Poster #2- Nope too boyish.
Poster #3- BR deserves it.
C.Lee-Banned
Poster #2- Still too boyish.
#3-CAVILLLLLLLL!
C.Lee-Banned.
Poster #4- What about (Insert unknown)
Poster #5- Nope,too sinister.
Poster #6-What about Manganiello?
Poster #5-Nope,looks too thuggish.
Poster #7-What about Armie Hammer?
Poster #5-Nope,too boyish.
Poster #8-Who do YOU want #5?
Poster #5-Jon Hamm
Poster #8- Too short and old.
Poster #5-You are wrong. Look at RDJ.
Poster #8-That doesn't even make sense....
Poster #9-Bridget Reagan should be Woner Woman....

BTW C.Lee,you are the man. Keep up the good work.

[Project862006]

Quote From Armie Hammer

Vulture:
“I did talk to my people recently about [Zack Snyder’s film] for the first time, and I think they’re going a little older with Superman. I hear they’re going 35, 40.”

[Blackman]

Dammit...

[RachelDawes]

So it's not going to be Superman Starts?

[Zorex]

Weird... I know we don't know much, but doesn't that seemingly contradict what we've heard thus far?

[annie.j88]

Quote From Armie Hammer

Vulture:

now that's weird.....:huh:

[Project862006]

first braniac is the villain then zod then zod is denied

then birthright then older superman

everything contradicts everything lol

[DV8]

if they go with an older Supes I wouldn't mind Hamm, or even Matthew Fox . . . for a younger Supes, I'm gonna throw in a dark horse name and say James Franco . . .

[DV8]

first braniac is the villain then zod then zod is denied

then birthright then older superman

everything contradicts everything lol

good old Nolan throwing everyone curveballs lef' and right! Lol

[GinsterHead]

Weird... I know we don't know much, but doesn't that seemingly contradict what we've heard thus far?

Every single rumour about this movie seems to contradicting something or other.

"It's gonna be a sequel to SR...wait, no, it's an epic, LOTR-style trilogy written by Mark Millar...no, no, it's written by Mark Waid...nope, it's a totally new movie which has nothing to do with the Donner movies...wait, no, Bryan Singer's signed back on...wait, no he hasn't...guess this means it's a reboot...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD NOLAN'S WORKING ON IT! Hold on, no, he isn't...YES HE IS...no, he isn't...IS...isn't...IS...and he's got GOYER on it...I've heard Routh's coming back...NO HE ISN'T, IT'S A REBOOT, DAMMIT...no, wait, he's in with a chance...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR...it's Chris Columbus...wait, no, it's Jonathan Nolan...no, it's neither...IT'S DARREN ARONOFSKY...or Ben Affleck...or the guy who did that crappy Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie...IT'S SNYDER...I though he said he wasn't interested? HE IS, DAMMIT. Zod's the villain. No, it's Brainiac, isn't it? ZOD."

Et cetera, ad nauseum, sic transit gloria mundi. :oldrazz:

[solidsnake86]

first braniac is the villain then zod then zod is denied

then birthright then older superman

everything contradicts everything lol

Zod was never denied, all he said was it was a rumour, he didnt say no he is not in it.

[Man of Tomorrow]

We got the 'Early Days of Superman' quote DIRECTLY from Snyder.

It seems the most reliable of all of this.

If they're casting 35-40 for the early days of Superman... that would just be bizarre.

[TheWatcher]

For younger-Hammer or that guy from Tudors. :)
For older-Joe Manganiello

[JAK®]

Honestly, I don't care if someone takes something a little extra to gain the mass if that's what they have to do or should I say willing to do.

But I'm sorry the 9-5 thing has nothing to do with how one is able to put on more size or not. Probably the most important factor in gaining muscle is to not overtrain and to let the body rest from the workouts. These actors are not working out anymore than most of the serious gym junkies who have regular jobs.

How you put on size is largely depending on your frame and your genetics. Not everyone puts on mass the same way, and I can tell you that the way some actors put on mass as quick as they do is not natural or because they are getting all the best personal trainers and diets.

I work in a gym and have played sports a majority of my life. You just don't thrown on 20lbs-30lbs of muscle without assistance.

Now the question you have to ask is whether you care or not about an actor using drugs to gain mass if that's what they have to do? Personally I don't care
:up:

People don't know anything about putting on lean muscle.

I think people just hear 'steroids' and take it as an insult, as if we're saying the actors are too lazy. No, we're saying they're too human.

EVEN IF an actor was some sort of genetic marvel and could put on 30lbs of muscle in a short time for a movie; he would probably STILL be put on steroids because they need him to be that size by a certain time. You don't just hope they gain enough weight for the deadline.

I put on 30lbs in 6 months this year. This is considered fast, but I'm 20 years old (so my testosterone levels are crazy high) and some of it was fat. Yet we have people saying that Reeve put on 30lbs lean in 8 weeks through hard work. Doesn't happen.

Also;

http://stronglifts.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-in-1-month-naturally/

So there you go.

[Maze]

Unless they totally change the mythos and Supe discover his powers late in his life à la Unbreakable.

[batboy99]

Im actually glad Routh is still a contender. I feel he was really robbed of his moment and I like how they're willing to give him another chance. That being said, I cant wait to see who else is going to be considered.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Unless they totally change the mythos and Supe discover his powers late in his life à la Unbreakable.

The problem with that is Superman doesn't age like mortal men.

By the time he looks 40-ish, he would actually be A LOT older.

So it would be very very late in life. :P

[Maze]

The problem with that is Superman doesn't age like mortal men.

By the time he looks 40-ish, he would actually be A LOT older.

So it would be very very late in life. :P

:funny: true

So the guy is lie 70 year old, and discover that there can be only one. :o

seriously, nothing tell us that they are gonna respect superman aging slowly.. dunno, all that is weird..

We can just speculate that Jon Hamm is back in the mix. annd this is the right thread :awesome:

[7heBoss]

Unless they totally change the mythos and Supe discover his powers late in his life à la Unbreakable.

uhh, no.

"hey clark, you ever notice that you run faster than a speeding bullet and can lift cars with little effort?"

"no, i guess it never occurred to me"

[Superman2007]

Every single rumour about this movie seems to contradicting something or other.

"It's gonna be a sequel to SR...wait, no, it's an epic, LOTR-style trilogy written by Mark Millar...no, no, it's written by Mark Waid...nope, it's a totally new movie which has nothing to do with the Donner movies...wait, no, Bryan Singer's signed back on...wait, no he hasn't...guess this means it's a reboot...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD NOLAN'S WORKING ON IT! Hold on, no, he isn't...YES HE IS...no, he isn't...IS...isn't...IS...and he's got GOYER on it...I've heard Routh's coming back...NO HE ISN'T, IT'S A REBOOT, DAMMIT...no, wait, he's in with a chance...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR...it's Chris Columbus...wait, no, it's Jonathan Nolan...no, it's neither...IT'S DARREN ARONOFSKY...or Ben Affleck...or the guy who did that crappy Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie...IT'S SNYDER...I though he said he wasn't interested? HE IS, DAMMIT. Zod's the villain. No, it's Brainiac, isn't it? ZOD."

Et cetera, ad nauseum, sic transit gloria mundi. :oldrazz:

Haha! That's an awesome post, you've distilled like three years of fanboy rumor frenzy.

[Maze]

uhh, no.

"hey clark, you ever notice that you run faster than a speeding bullet and can lift cars with little effort?"

"no, i guess it never occurred to me"

:woot: We didn't read the screenplay, who knows.

[JAK®]

I would say most people living today have never even tried to run, jump or lift anything to the best of their ability.

[Superman2007]

The problem with that is Superman doesn't age like mortal men.

By the time he looks 40-ish, he would actually be A LOT older.

So it would be very very late in life. :P
Actually, what if that's the new twist? The new approach?
Clark Kent living as a journalist in Metropolis just discovers he has powers one day...
It would allow them to create a new origin that the Siegel and Shuster estate don't have ownership over.
A new fresh approach that would get people talking.

[7heBoss]

I would say most people living today have never even tried to run, jump or lift anything to the best of their ability.

considering he was raised as a farmer, I am pretty sure his strength would be something they would notice at some point in his life

[Maze]

I would say most people living today have never even tried to run, jump or lift anything to the best of their ability.

Totally. Some people even discover talents they didn't think they had in them.

You can ignore more or less willingly also that you have some talents for a number of reasons..Sometimes you need a trigger.

[Willi Berg]

The older Superman/early days of Superman could be about when he decides to don the persona of Superman - the suit, to start fighting crime etc. He could know he's had powers all his life, he just decides to use them and introduce Superman to the world a bit later in life.

I don't know about this rumour though...there's a lot still uncertain, this is passed on from an actor who was told he wasn't being considered, they could be making up an excuse, or he could...Maybe they just want someone more mature looking.

[C. Lee]

I would say most people living today have never even tried to run, jump or lift anything to the best of their ability.

But the point is...Superman doesn't have to try to run, jump, or lift anything to the best of his ability...he would while trying to lift something mundane the average person would give a little strain too throw it into the air because it just happens to be that easy for him. Superman on a daily basis strains NOT to throw things from one state to the other. He would know from childhood that he was different.

[Superman2007]

Totally. Some people even discover talents they didn't think they had in them.

You can ignore more or less willingly also that you have some talents for a number of reasons..Sometimes you need a trigger.
Maybe some sort of accident that he stops actually awakens his powers...?
Kind of like in Unbreakable
Just pure speculation..

[Willi Berg]

Finding the right guy is finding the right guy- not too young, not too old, and maybe that leaves the age range pretty wide.

But would they have looked at everybody and decided at this point?

There is still a lot of speculation and it doesn't look to be ending soon. So..here we go again.

[Maze]

Maybe some sort of accident that he stops actually awakens his powers...?
Kind of like in Unbreakable
Just pure speculation..

Yup, that.or what Willy say.

If say, they treat that like it is the "real world' power or not you can be reluctant to put on a super powered persona .. at least in public with a suit.. unless you have a really good reason. enter zod, or Brainac for example..

[Willi Berg]

What we know for sure is that Hammer isn't going to be Superman. I'm okay with this.

[Willi Berg]

unless you have a really good reason. enter zod, or Brainac for example..

Good reasons!

[Maze]

Double post.

[Maze]

We can also remember that Ryan Reynold is 34 year old, Bradley Cooper 35, Jared Leto was in the running for green lantern and is 39 (but look rather young) so that doesn't mean necessarily a Hamm ( Even if it raise legitimate questions there) but somebody who look mature, and nowdays 25 year old a la Christopher Reeve are hard to find.

[TheWatcher]

@Willi Berg ^We don't know anything about casting yet. The first interview with Synder said he wasn't going to direct. Then,BOOM. He's directing.

[Willi Berg]

We can also remember that Ryan Reynold is 34 year old, Bradley Cooper 35, Jared Leto was in the running for green lantern and is 39 (but look rather young) so that doesn't mean necessarily a Hamm ( Even if it raise legitimate questions there) but somebody who look mature, and nowdays 25 year old a la Christopher Reeve are hard to find.

Yes Christopher Reeve and also Lynda Carter looked much more mature back in those days for being in their early 20s.

Wow, Jared Leto is 39! I didn't know that.

[TheWatcher]

We can also remember that Ryan Reynold is 34 year old, Bradley Cooper 35, Jared Leto was in the running for green lantern and is 39 (but look rather young) so that doesn't mean necessarily a Hamm ( Even if it raise legitimate questions there) but somebody who look mature, and nowdays 25 year old a la Christopher Reeve are hard to find.
I think Manganiello would fit in with them.

[Project862006]

We can also remember that Ryan Reynold is 34 year old, Bradley Cooper 35, Jared Leto was in the running for green lantern and is 39 (but look rather young) so that doesn't mean necessarily a Hamm ( Even if it raise legitimate questions there) but somebody who look mature, and nowdays 25 year old a la Christopher Reeve are hard to find.

Chris Hemswroth is one of the few actors who look older at a young age he was 24 during Star Trek and he looked older

[GreenKToo]

hmmm, older huh. maybe it is hamm afterall.

[Dark Knight]

We can also remember that Ryan Reynold is 34 year old, Bradley Cooper 35, Jared Leto was in the running for green lantern and is 39 (but look rather young) so that doesn't mean necessarily a Hamm ( Even if it raise legitimate questions there) but somebody who look mature, and nowdays 25 year old a la Christopher Reeve are hard to find.






Daniel Craig was also in his late 30's when he was cast as Bond and get got into great shape also for the role and still is in great shape.

[Dark Knight]

Quote From Armie Hammer

Vulture:








Nice!

IF true!

[Dark Knight]

Weird... I know we don't know much, but doesn't that seemingly contradict what we've heard thus far?





Yes it does.

You guys heard something from a french translation quoting Snyder saying that said the film would allegedly be about the early days of Superman and took that as we would be seeing a 23-25 year old as Superman.

[Dark Knight]

first braniac is the villain then zod then zod is denied

then birthright then older superman

everything contradicts everything lol







Yep. Classic misdirection when it comes to Nolan films.

You also forgot the first reports the story/script would be loosely based or have elements of Byrnes Man Of Steel run in the 80's.

[TheWatcher]

I hope Alexander Skarsgard and Joe Manganiello get auditions.


And yes,I like True Blood.

[Octoberist]

Yeh! I'm kinda happy for an olderish Superman.

[SuperMike335!!]

I hope Alexander Skarsgard and Joe Manganiello get auditions.


And yes,I like True Blood.

For sure. I like both of them.

No sure if Alex can do a neutral accent, but if he can, why not?

Another one is Chris Hemswroth.

I mean with black hair, and a clean shave, nobody would recognize him from Thor.

[Karelia]

Joe Manganiello is the one name that's being tossed around for Superman I actually like. He said his "dream role" is to play Superman in an interview at CC, I believe.

[Parker Wayne]

Younger - Hammer
Older - Hamm

[smooth3006]

i hope alexander skarsgard and joe manganiello get auditions.


And yes,i like true blood.


no & no!

[TheWatcher]

For sure. I like both of them.

No sure if Alex can do a neutral accent, but if he can, why not?

Another one is Chris Hemswroth.

I mean with black hair, and a clean shave, nobody would recognize him from Thor.
He definitely can. Watch him in Generation Kill.

I'm sure Hemsworth could do it well,but I'd rather have someone not already playing a Superhero.

[smooth3006]

Yeh! I'm kinda happy for an olderish Superman.


me too and id be down for ham if they go that route.

[Maze]

I like joe manganiello, but alexander skarsgard would just be a blast, he may be an unusual choice at first, but he is just a great actor imo and i'm sure that he could do it.

[Octoberist]

It's weird how some fanboys are like "I don't want a grandpa Superman" when they refer to Hamm. But Hamm is NOT that old. Maybe for Superman it's somewhat pushing it they're making it as if he's 70 or something.

For God's sakes, Jeremy Renner is 39 too, and people don't complain about him being Hawkeye because he looks younger. Same thing with the likes of Johnny Depp, who still looks like he's in his 30s.

[Project862006]

the thing is jon hamm looks 43 but he is 39

[C. Lee]

Ageism...the newest rage.

[smooth3006]

the thing is jon hamm looks 43 but he is 39


cgi & makeup do wonders!

[bizbaz20]

Okay so why does everyone around here want Jon Hamm?

Can someone tell me that?

Zack Snyder said the Clark Kent in the reboot would be about 1 or 2 years into his Daily Planet gig.

So what part of that aren't people getting?

There is no chance it will be him.

[Project862006]

Ageism...the newest rage.
:awesome: hey i would love him for the role just stating facts

[smooth3006]

Okay so why does everyone around here want Jon Hamm?

Can someone tell me that?

Zack Snyder said the Clark Kent in the reboot would be about 1 or 2 years into his Daily Planet gig.

So what part of that aren't people getting?

There is no chance it will be him.


at this point we don't know much, things can change. if they do go the early days route the only two i want cast i cannot mention in here. one of them makes perfect sense to me at this point.

[EliteF50]

Oh please God, give us Jon Hamm as Superman! It'll definitely make up for George Clooney as Batman. :D

[Karelia]

It's not that Jon Hamm is too old, he just looks too old. I know people say CGI and make up, but CGI is usually noticeable. And Hamm just isn't in that great of shape to play Superman. And hasn't he said he wasn't really interested in Superman anyways?

[GinsterHead]

I dunno.

Jon Hamm's a very good actor, but I'm having trouble imagining him as Superman. It's not so much his age, or even his height, but it's more to do with the fact that he doesn't really look like a modern-day Superman...I can sort of see a resemblance to the Fleischer Superman, but that's about it, as far as I'm concerned. Plus, even if he manages to build himself up, it'll still be Don Draper in a Superman suit...doesn't feel right to me.

Casting Hamm wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me, but I'm not really feeling it. :dry:

[smooth3006]

It's not that Jon Hamm is too old, he just looks too old. I know people say CGI and make up, but CGI is usually noticeable. And Hamm just isn't in that great of shape to play Superman. And hasn't he said he wasn't really interested in Superman anyways?


he never said he wasn't interested, he said he had never been approached. he could be lying as well.

[Project862006]

^ he actually said he did'nt see the apeal of superman he said where is the drama when you are invincible

[smooth3006]

^ he actually said he did'nt see the apeal of superman he said where is the drama when you are invincible


i never heard that, got a link to that interview? if that's true i do not want him, i don't need someone just doing it for the dow!

[Project862006]

i never heard that, got a link to that interview? if that's true i do not want him, i don't need someone just doing it for the dow!

Actual Quote
"I don't know," he said when asked if he'd consider a role in a comic book movie. "It's a tricky road to go down with some of those heroes, because they're not flawed. Superman is Superman — he's invincible, so where's the drama?"

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/02/24/jon-hamm-responds-to-fans-campaigning-for-him-to-play-a-superhero/

[TheWatcher]

^I hope he doesn't play Superman.

We need younger actors who can do sequels.

[Parker Wayne]

He also said this:

“If the powers that be are thinking that, I’d like them to get in touch with me. Maybe we can discuss it.”

http://www.movieline.com/2010/10/did-the-social-networks-armie-hammer-just-reveal-some-big-superman-news.php

[Parker Wayne]

We need younger actors who can do sequels.

Because RDJ couldn't do Iron Man sequels nor could Daniel Craig with Bond nor Stallone (pick your franchise) :whatever:

[Project862006]

all those are older characters superman is not

[Octoberist]

long live jon hamm!

[Jake Cassidy]

That's not a good comparison Parker. RDJ is God, Bond is supposed to be in his 40's and Stallone is a freak of nature. :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

long live jon hamm!

for Lex Luthor!!!!! :woot:

[Parker Wayne]

all those are older characters superman is not

He used to be depicted as older looking so that's not too far of a stretch if Hammer's comments are true.

Though it is pretty confusing considering what Snyder said

That's not a good comparison Parker. RDJ is God, Bond is supposed to be in his 40's and Stallone is a freak of nature. :woot:

Very true though.


Well if they go younger I really wish Armie Hammer would be Superman.

[Dark Knight]

Here is more regarding the potential casting of a more mature looking and acting Superman from Collider and Cinemblend below:

http://www.collider.com/2010/10/20/superman-the-man-of-steel-older-actor/


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Armie-Hammer-Says-The-Next-Superman-Will-Be-Middle-Aged-21320.html

[SuperZer0]

How about Mr. Spock (Zachary Quinto) as Clark Kent/Superman?


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4562/zacharyquinto.jpghttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4562/zacharyquinto.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't really care about the age. As long as whoever they get is awesome, it doesn't matter.

[Gianakin_]

How about Mr. Spock (Zachary Quinto) as Clark Kent/Superman?

I love that guy, but I don't see him as Superman.

[louiebling$]

I really hope it isn't 35-40... how is that Superman in his early years?

[Dark Knight]

Yeah.

If Keaton can play a solid late 30's Batman back in 1989 and if Hugh Jackman is still playing a solid Wolverine at age 42 and if Daniel Craig is playing a tough as nails Bond at 42 AND if Downey Jr can play a good and in shape Tony Stark at age 45....then yeah...Jon Hamm will be able to play a more mature looking manly Superman without any problem at age 39 IMO.

All he would need to do is bulk and tone up and he would be good to go as Supes!

[Red Cherry Lips]

Every single rumour about this movie seems to contradicting something or other.

"It's gonna be a sequel to SR...wait, no, it's an epic, LOTR-style trilogy written by Mark Millar...no, no, it's written by Mark Waid...nope, it's a totally new movie which has nothing to do with the Donner movies...wait, no, Bryan Singer's signed back on...wait, no he hasn't...guess this means it's a reboot...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD NOLAN'S WORKING ON IT! Hold on, no, he isn't...YES HE IS...no, he isn't...IS...isn't...IS...and he's got GOYER on it...I've heard Routh's coming back...NO HE ISN'T, IT'S A REBOOT, DAMMIT...no, wait, he's in with a chance...OMIGODOMIGODOMIGOD THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR...it's Chris Columbus...wait, no, it's Jonathan Nolan...no, it's neither...IT'S DARREN ARONOFSKY...or Ben Affleck...or the guy who did that crappy Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie...IT'S SNYDER...I though he said he wasn't interested? HE IS, DAMMIT. Zod's the villain. No, it's Brainiac, isn't it? ZOD."

Et cetera, ad nauseum, sic transit gloria mundi. :oldrazz:

Seriously where its at as far as what's been shoveled to us.:up::funny:

[batman44]

This news makes me really interested in the names Jamie has been hearing.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ What names?

[Octoberist]

at this point, it's so early. I really don't think we'll hear any decent rumors till the Spring time..

[Jake Cassidy]

It's Spring in Australia now. So let's go by that and get the rumours going. :woot:

[flickchick85]

Wow, lots of discussion in this thread since I was last here.

First up, Armie Hammer's comments make me extremely happy because it sounds like he doesn't even consider himself in the running. So yay for that, because I really don't want him in the role. But the comments certainly are a bit puzzling considering what we've heard from Snyder.

Next, nice to see a couple new(ish) suggestions. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Lee Pace - I think he's a phenomenal actor (as demonstrated in Soldier's Girl, Infamous, The Fall and Pushing Daisies), and for my money, he has the perfect VOICE for Superman, but I don't think he has the right look. That said, he has a kind of old-fashioned handsomeness that I could see working for A Superman, even if it's not close to the one I see in my head. And I think Karl Urban's at least a decent actor, who looks a bit more like Supes than Lee Pace (especially in Red), so while neither would be a top choice for me, I wouldn't necessarily rage or condemn the movie if either was cast.

I like Quinto alright, but he's all wrong for Supes, imo.

[batlovescatDC]

All I can say is I think WB will severely regret it if Jon Hamm is cast as Superman. And I won't be seeing the film if it happens.

[Jake Cassidy]

Karl Urban would be an awesome Zod.

[Dark Knight]

^I hope he doesn't play Superman.

We need younger actors who can do sequels.






Nonsense.

There won't be any sequels for quite sometime. This Nolan produced and Snyder directed Man Of Steel film will be considered a one shot due to the Siegal estate Superman rights issues.

Downey Jr, Jackman and Craig are all over 40 and doing just fine in the sequels to Iron Man, Wolverine and Bond films.