The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread

[DCnightwing23]

Guys, the only logical choice as of now is Jon Hamm.

Come on.

Please tell me why is that?? Seriously, because he hasnt been in much to begin with other then Mad Men. Most of his other roles arent even anything big except for a couple of films this year. Not to mention he looks far too old for Superman, again let me say this, this wont be a kingdom come Superman at all! Yes Jon Hamm is 38, but he looks like he's in his late to mid 40's. Dont get me wrong i love Mad Men its one of my favorite shows but he's not Superman. This film as of all the most recent reports have stated is a story about Supermans early years or around that time frame. You must disregard what Hammer stated a couple of days ago, because that was old news from months and months ago, clearly he is out of the loop as that info he stated matches that from the most early casting rumors. From everything else as of late all signs are pointing to a late 20's early 30's superman. Jon Hamm doesnt fit the bill, he looks to old and to be honest he isnt that good of a actor. Yes he's amazing, a emmy winner for a tv show like Mad Men, but in his film roles he is bland and boring. And i dont think the writers are gonna make the Superman film be a Mad Men episode for Jon Hamm.

[Aesop Rocks]

You do know Hamm is a fairly new actor, right? Mad Men was his break out role, and all his other roles (save The Town) were extremely small. Didn't the WB say that they were officially looking for an older Superman like last week? Hamm fits the bill in all the right aspects.

He's a character-drama-driven actor.
He's a fantastic actor
He's a fantastic actor.
DAT HAIR.
He's a fantastic actor.

[DCnightwing23]

Umm Jon Hamm has been around for 10 years. The fact you are using Mad Men as a reference is because thats the only role he's been good at plan and simple, and he's perfect for that role dont get me wrong. But thats all he's been good in so to say he's a fantastic actor isnt correct, he's fantastic in Mad Men thats his bread and better. "DAT Hair"? Really youre gonna go with someone because of his hair? Umm no.

And as of late Hammer is the only one who has brought up a middle aged Superman, which was news when this film first started getting news around this summer, more recetnly and which would make sense would be a younger Superman, not a beginner but one thats year around for a little bit id say late 20's early 30's especially if you want a franchise off this movie not just a one and done Superman film which would happen if we got a older kingdom come type of Superman, i dont thin any studio would be that stupid not to have a younger yet mature Superman, played by someone that actually talks and kicks ass unlike the mess in Superman Returns.

Hamm doesnt fit anything, especially when it comes to build, which has caused alot of heated discussions in this forum. Hamm is 6'0 according to imdb (would you like to see those horrible SR boots again?) And would you like for Superman to be covered in makeup to make him look younger? Hamm is good at what he does which is Mad Men, people say actors can be horrible because of the writing, well those Mad Men writers can make Hamm look really damn good. Other then that hes just an average actor when he's away from the show as he happens to get overshadowed by big screen actors in nearly every film role he is in much like in The Town.

[Dotten]

I don't know where it comes from either....but
Superman shouldn't be played by a 24 year old boy who is trying to become a man....SuperMAN should be played by an actor who IS a MAN kiddies.


This MAN was 24 years old when he was cast as Superman. :yay:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SWcXxYPqxGI/TCKtZ_yAo4I/AAAAAAAAC7U/OeViDdU3TNY/s1600/11_22_reeve_christopher_superman.jpg

[Eze]

That Juilliard Man played a 30 year old Superman, pretty sure of his place in the world. Besides, with impeccable bone structure like that, who would confuse him for a boy?

[LadyVader]

So I was flipping through channels and came up on a silly little movie called Tricks of a Woman and just look what I found. Scott Elrod - 35 years old, 1,89 m.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l76/TataMalfoy/Scott%20Elrod/10f.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l76/TataMalfoy/Scott%20Elrod/10f-2.jpg

He was born to a military family AND he has a pilot licence, so he can already fly. :) He's not specatcular in this particular movie but damn if he doesn't look like a superhero. Here's an interview with him. He's talking about Romania, ironically enough. :p

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[Bren]

Well, I have no idea of his acting, but going by some of the google pics I saw (can't see yours here at work), that's one hell of a forehead the guy's got hehehe.

[Rust]

Go back in this thread and you'll find alot of discussion on Elrod.

The generel consensus was that he's too creepy looking.

[shieldshero]

Elrod's name came up a fair few pages back and got flamed by the majority for looking too evil. . . don't see it myself.

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm perplexed by people who say Jon Hamm looks older than his age. Where is this coming from? People must've forgot what late 30's - early 40's actually look like. And I think it's also because of his role on Mad Men where he wears suits all the time. After seeing him in 30 Rock I myself thought, wow, he looks so young in normal clothes. :)

If I were going to give him an age, it'd be 44. Based on photos like THIS, and nothing to do with his role on Mad Men.

http://www.topnews.in/files/images/Jon-Hamm1.jpg

Matthew Fox is 44, I would put him at 39, based on photos like this:

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/star_trek_3_010509/matthew_fox_2398718.jpg

Gerard Butler looks about his age, at 40:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Bounty+Hunter+New+York+Premiere+x8auUD60wc_l.jpg

I've picked images of them, not in movies. Not shot to make them look younger. And I think Jon Hamm looks the oldest, and he's actually the youngest.

Sure, there are actors who look younger then their age, but that doesn't mean Hamm looks older than his actual age by default.. In my eyes anyway he looks exactly like a guy who is in his late 30's, early 40's. He doesn't look over 45 and he def. doesn't look like he's in his 50's.

I don't want a Superman in his 40s. I want a Superman in his early to late thirties. Jon Hamm, therefore, does not fit for me.

I don't know where it comes from either....but Hamm certainly does NOT look older than 40.

Superman shouldn't be played by a 24 year old boy who is trying to become a man....SuperMAN should be played by an actor who IS a MAN kiddies.



Yes, because not wanting a 40 year old means you want a 24 year old. You know, there is this whole decade of life in between called the 30s... kinda the prime of your life, were you are a man, but no where near being an old man...

Guys, the only logical choice as of now is Jon Hamm.

Come on.

:whatever:

Why would you even post something that so readily dismisses EVERYTHING anyone who doesn't like Hamm, and has various other choices thinks.

Please tell me why is that?? Seriously, because he hasnt been in much to begin with other then Mad Men. Most of his other roles arent even anything big except for a couple of films this year. Not to mention he looks far too old for Superman, again let me say this, this wont be a kingdom come Superman at all! Yes Jon Hamm is 38, but he looks like he's in his late to mid 40's. Dont get me wrong i love Mad Men its one of my favorite shows but he's not Superman. This film as of all the most recent reports have stated is a story about Supermans early years or around that time frame. You must disregard what Hammer stated a couple of days ago, because that was old news from months and months ago, clearly he is out of the loop as that info he stated matches that from the most early casting rumors. From everything else as of late all signs are pointing to a late 20's early 30's superman. Jon Hamm doesnt fit the bill, he looks to old and to be honest he isnt that good of a actor. Yes he's amazing, a emmy winner for a tv show like Mad Men, but in his film roles he is bland and boring. And i dont think the writers are gonna make the Superman film be a Mad Men episode for Jon Hamm.

Nice post :)

You do know Hamm is a fairly new actor, right? Mad Men was his break out role, and all his other roles (save The Town) were extremely small. Didn't the WB say that they were officially looking for an older Superman like last week? Hamm fits the bill in all the right aspects.

He's a character-drama-driven actor.
He's a fantastic actor
He's a fantastic actor.
DAT HAIR.
He's a fantastic actor.

I really don't get all this fantastic actor Buzz. Yeah he does a good job on Man Men... so? Most actors who land lead roles on television shows are good actors, and a lot of them turn out to be great emmy winning ones too... that doesn't make them outright the best person for Superman just because they are a good actor.

This MAN was 24 years old when he was cast as Superman. :yay:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SWcXxYPqxGI/TCKtZ_yAo4I/AAAAAAAAC7U/OeViDdU3TNY/s1600/11_22_reeve_christopher_superman.jpg

Nice point :p

[I Am The Knight]

Guys, the only logical choice as of now is Jon Hamm.

Come on.

Yes, he absolutely is.

In your head.

So I was flipping through channels and came up on a silly little movie called Tricks of a Woman and just look what I found. Scott Elrod - 35 years old, 1,89 m.

CaREEPY!

Actually, scratch that. I don't know what's creepier...Scott Elrod or a movie called "Tricks of a Woman". That could kill us all!

I know I can't say his name here but my dream pick for the role would be this guy.

So you can't say his name but you can post pictures of him? I guess I just wasn't made for these times.

[djkris]

My top 5 younger candidates

Armie Hammer
Jared Padalecki
Matthew Bomer
Rick Malambri
HC

My top 5 older candidates

Matthew Fox
Eric Bana
Josh Duhamel
Jim Caviezel
Jon Hamm

Middle Ground

Josh Hartnett

Josh Hartnett has to be in with a shout

I agreed with the choices in bold. All of them good actors, I would also add Brandon Routh and Patrick Wilson, who is a very likeable, very good actor. I could also accept some other actor along these lines. It will be amazing to see an actor who was not mentioned in the forums get the part and then I be all "Oh, of course, why didn't I see it? This guy is perfect!".

And please. Hartnett was and may still be the ideal Nightwing :batty:

[Mercurius]

This MAN was 24 years old when he was cast as Superman. :yay:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SWcXxYPqxGI/TCKtZ_yAo4I/AAAAAAAAC7U/OeViDdU3TNY/s1600/11_22_reeve_christopher_superman.jpg


Yeah, but we all know Reeve is unique.

That's also why they NEED to come up with another version of Supes. Routh was a disaster because they were looking for a new Reeve, which is-not-gonna-happen.

I think now would be time to make a more mature Superman, and a bulkier, Ross-like type.

That would draw the line dividing the golden past of Chris Reeve and the new take, hopefully golden too. :cwink:

[hopefuldreamer]

I know I can't say his name here but my dream pick for the role would be this guy.


If I wanted to see pics of that guy, I would come over into his own thread. You obviously are aware of the rules, but for some reason are trying to 'outsmart' them...

This thread is designed for people to suggest actors that others may not have thought of. The whole point of ^him having his own thread is that EVERYONE knows who he is, and why he's being suggested... so continuously mentioning him in the middle of discussions about different actors gets really really tiresome.

I probably shouldn't be responding, I usually just ignore comments like this because I know that you won't be making them on this forum for long... but something about the way you mentioned how you were getting around the rules really got on my nerves

Yeah, but we all know Reeve is unique.

That's also why they NEED to come up with another version of Supes. Routh was a disaster because they were looking for a new Reeve, which is-not-gonna-happen.

I think now would be time to make a more mature Superman, and a bulkier, Ross-like type.

That would draw the line dividing the golden past of Chris Reeve and the new take, hopefully golden too. :cwink:

I'm all for going for a different version of Supes, and completely agree that trying to imitate Reeve was a bit downfall of SR. I want a more mature Superman myself too.

But I do think the poster made a good point, in response to someones claim that a 24 year old would be a boy trying to be a man... Chris Reeve never looked like a boy, and he was 24. He looked very manly to me.

I dont even neccesarily think that Superman in SR was 'boyish'... he had soft features and kind of a pretty boy look about him which I really wanna avoid for this movie, but he didn't look like superboy.

[GreenKToo]

you cant not only not say his name, but you cant post pics either.

[MoPlaYa]

I think Daniel Cudmore (Colossus in X-Men and Felix in the Twilight Saga) would be a good choice as SuperMan

[MoPlaYa]

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID13198/images/Daniel_Cudmore_blue_shirt_sitting_small.jpg

A good pic of Cudmore that makes me think he would be a good Superman.
Cudemore is 6 ft 7inches tall and has a great build

[Adenjo]

Guys, the only logical choice as of now is Jon Hamm.

Come on.

No offence to Mr Hamm or his supporters but i'm thinking of going against logic right now.

you cant not only not say his name, but you cant post pics either.

Not wishing to rock the boat but I do think this whole "you can't mention certain actors in certain threads" business is a tad.. erm.. overkill?

A well ordered casting war is a thing of beauty.. I remember my first casting war with fondness :)

[Lobo]

Indeed it was a thing of legend.

[Adenjo]

personally I think a good casting war adds to the enjoyment, I think putting water on the flames of a casting war before it's even reached it's full potential is a bad idea..
ok, if people start getting a little TOO personal and then jump in and start laying the smack down but come on, casting wars are fun..
Bloody hell the casting war was my personal highlight of Superman Returns, the film was lame the casting war was a beauty! :D

[GreenKToo]

yes, i agree, but when you have three or four pages of ''he sux'', ''no, he is better than him'' posts, then the real info tends to get lost..I wouldnt have a problem with it myself if they could control themselves, but we all know they can't.

[Adenjo]

yes, i agree, but when you have three or four pages of ''he sux'', ''no, he is better than him'' posts, then the real info tends to get lost..I wouldnt have a problem with it myself if they could control themselves, but we all know they can't.

True, ok think an actor is wrong for the role but atleast give a valid reason for it..

Actor A is wrong because he's too old, too young, too tall, too short.. Not Just "He sucks".

[Adenjo]

yes, i agree, but when you have three or four pages of ''he sux'', ''no, he is better than him'' posts, then the real info tends to get lost..I wouldnt have a problem with it myself if they could control themselves, but we all know they can't.

True, be against an actor but at least have a valid reason :)

[Changeling]

Patrick Wilson is a kickass choice.
I think Bana would be really great tool. I don't wanna see Caviezel at all though. He's a washed up tv actor now, I'd rather get an actor that the public still actually cares about..

[JAK®]

I don't really see Superman in Patrick Wilson.

[Bruce_Begins]

I don't get the John hamm for Superman Campaign, his supporters here are vocal and keep on posting the same arguments over and over in his favor, as if there are no other suitable candidates out there.

I don't think that John hamm is suitable candidate for superman at all, though he has a good look and presence for playing Jonathan Kent.

Noe imagine Jon Hamm as as Superman in a future Justice League movie, where most of the actors will be in 30 to 35 years range and Jon at 40 plus will look absurd and out of place.

I do not believe in the rumor of WB going after an actor in his 40's with a a mature look and making a movie featuring a Older version of Superman.

I think that Superman in the new movie should be playerd by an actor in age 30 to 35 year range.

[Bruce_Begins]

I don't really see Superman in Patrick Wilson.

I agree, it seems that some posters here are determined to post horrible choices, no matter what. :cmad:

[jesusmagicka]

How can you not see Superman in this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mbZDXg5Jw

[M.O.Steel]

i don't :(

[kal-elrebooted]

No to Hamm. I like him, but he's just wrong for the role.

I agree and the whole looking for a middle age superman is just rumor and is ridiculous

[SuperMike335!!]

I know I can't say his name here but my dream pick for the role would be this guy.



http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/6656/sidiceagewallpaper215.jpg

[kal-elrebooted]

Just read over the last 10 pages of this thread and really surprised at the *****iness going on.

We're all Superman fans, we all have our own opinions and should respect each other. SuperMike probably put it best when he said he would be happy if any of these great casting suggestions get a shot, as each have their own merits - I totally agree.

Look on the bright side, at least our suggestions are going along the right lines. Some of us are disagreeing whether Mangiello is better than Hamm or Cavill is better than Hammer - whilst for all we know there could be a WB exec sitting in an office somewhere thinking that someone like Tom Cruise or Matt Damon would be perfect to headline a big movie like this. Stranger things have happened.

Anyway, with regards to recent suggestions, I'm not really feeling the Spencer Conroy one. Whilst on paper he has all the qualities a Superman actor would need (dark haired, decent build, age, face, etc) ............... the final product isn't really the sum of it's parts. I will probably get shot down for this but when I look at some pics of him, he reminds me of George McFly from the original BTTF film - a little quirky looking. Can't really put my finger on why exactly. He'd likely make quite a good Clark Kent in Daily Planet reporter guise, but I just don't get the Superman vibe from him and he looks a little too chiselled/polished to come across as a Kansas farmboy either.

Since he was first mentioned I've been 100% behind Joe Manganiello for the role but as opinion on him seems to be split 50/50 down the line, I went back and tried to totally re-appraise my view of him and see the flaws. And rather than just look at static photos and make some kind of (uninformed) opinion from them, I've rewatched his stints on True Blood, CSi and a few other recent performances.

His nose is not really an issue when you see him in a live performance. It's much more noticeable in photos. But I concede that this could be an issue if he was to be cast as Superman. Why would Superman look like he ever had a broken nose? Even if Zod had taken a potshot at him on some drunken night out :awesome: .......... it would have healed perfectly thanks to his advanced healing powers. But I'm sure if Joe M was as keen to get the role as he appears to be, a simply 1 day procedure on his nose at a clinic wouldn't be out of the question.

After watching him most recently in S3 of True Blood, I have no complaints at all about his acting. He pulls off a very convincing Mississippi accent and in terms of playing a character who turns into a growling Werewolf (but is still essentially one of the good guys), he manages to convey power and aggression whilst still being very likeable. And from a phsyical point of view, he just about has the perfect build for a Superman actor, beyond any other suggestions I've seen here - he's a big, big guy, big enough to intimidate - but very lean and doesn't look like a gorilla in a suit. Cut the hair, lose the beard/stubble (which he always seems to have) and he'd make a great Superman - IMO of course.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IyJFjXcmsgw/TC8ureoNfuI/AAAAAAAACZY/5zFBe_fWBdk/s1600/6a00d8341c2ca253ef0134852b4997970c-400wi.jpg

I think the thing I like about Manganiello also is that he's different. He possess the usual Superman qualities of height, build, dark hair, commanding voice, etc ..... but he looks nothing like Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh or any other actor who has played the role. He'd bring a fresh look to the role and I think if they're intent on making a new Superman movie which is totally unique and not inspired by Donner's films or any TV series, then - cosmetically - the film has to be very new and fresh too.

In saying all that, I liked Routh's performance and if he somehow manages to get recast, there'll be no complaints from me - he has as much right to the Superman role as anyone. I would just hope that he can manage to approach the character differently and not try to ape the Reeve performance like he did under Singer's direction.
If you want Joe Manganiello to be Superman join the facebook group "Joe Manganiello For Superman"

[SuperMike335!!]

As of right now, the choices I like that have been discussed are:

1. Joe Manganiello

2. Patrick Wilson

3. Armie Hammer

For these 3 I can imagine it working quite well. Keeping in mind the effect of a hollywood production makeup crew, getting in shape, good costume design etc...

[Mercurius]

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID13198/images/Daniel_Cudmore_blue_shirt_sitting_small.jpg

A good pic of Cudmore that makes me think he would be a good Superman.
Cudemore is 6 ft 7inches tall and has a great build


Great suggestion. He's really grown up, and doesn't look like a strong boy anymore.

His face has that Ross quality I would like to see, and, as you have already said, he is the right height and has the build.

Cudmore is a VERY good option, they should at least audition the man.

[cronosred]

I agree, it seems that some posters here are determined to post horrible choices, no matter what. :cmad:

Perhaps some of you would just prefer a cgi Superman that way he can look exactly like the comic because it's starting to come off as being the only way some of you will be satisfied.

[Eze]

As of right now, the choices I like that have been discussed are:

1. Joe Manganiello

2. Patrick Wilson

3. Armie Hammer

For these 3 I can imagine it working quite well. Keeping in mind the effect of a hollywood production makeup crew, getting in shape, good costume design etc...

1. Too...ethnic in a Jersey Shore kinda way. He looks like a wrestling villain, (or a date rapist) his facial features aren't wholesome enough.

2. Too bald(Thinning), too beady eyed, lacks any real resemblance to the character.

3. Some potential there, but like Wilson doesn't really resemble the character.

Anyone over 6'2" looks like a clown as Clark Kent, even CR.

[TheWatcher]

I am officially joining the Patrick Wilson fan club. He is 37 but looks 34.

[Strider14]

I still don't get why people think they are going with an older Superman. Snyder has been quoted by Filmsactu.com, "“The film will focus on early days of Superman," Synder said in a translated interview, "so there will be no links with other films. This is not a remake then. Similarly, although I still can not talk about the script, I can assure you that this new Superman will not be based on a comic book in particular.”

I don't see how Hamm would fit into the Early Days scenario, considering he looks mid-late 40's.

[Mercurius]

I still don't get why people think they are going with an older Superman. Snyder has been quoted by Filmsactu.com, "“The film will focus on early days of Superman," Synder said in a translated interview, "so there will be no links with other films. This is not a remake then. Similarly, although I still can not talk about the script, I can assure you that this new Superman will not be based on a comic book in particular.”

I don't see how Hamm would fit into the Early Days scenario, considering he looks mid-late 40's.

People are insisting about the older Superman because of 20 years of Superboy.

It's to be read like: "Enough, already!"

[Vengeance of Bane]

I have no idea of who is best suitable for the role of Superman, but I will say that Jon Hamm looks like someone who's enjoyed "the sauce" way to much in his earlier years, if you know what I mean. Manganiello would be a great choice if they really want to get away from the Christopher Reeves image of Superman.

[Strider14]

People are insisting about the older Superman because of 20 years of Superboy.

It's to be read like: "Enough, already!"

I get that, but what the people are insisting and what Snyder and the studio deliver are two different things. :cwink: Right now all indications are they are not going with an older Superman. If they go with an early 30's look then they won't have Superboy and they won't have too mature of a Superman. It doesn't have to be young or old. Let's shoot for the middle.

[GreenKToo]

Little rumors here and there have told us that it *MAY* be an older superman...
such as, them saying this superman would already be known by lois and metropolis, and then when hammer was asked if he was going after the role, he said he was told that they thought they were going older, 35 to 40 range...just rumors, but still, where there is smoke, there is fire.
Some rumors point towards a younger supes as well, so who knows.

[Strider14]

Little rumors here and there have told us that it *MAY* be an older superman...
such as, them saying this superman would already be known by lois and metropolis, and then when hammer was asked if he was going after the role, he said he was told that they thought they were going older, 35 to 40 range...just rumors, but still, where there is smoke, there is fire.
Some rumors point towards a younger supes as well, so who knows.

I guess I give a direct quote from Snyder a little more weight than all the rumors that are floating around out there. Hammer's quote has been terribly misquoted to lead the reader on to believe that they are considering an older Superman. Hence a rumor. Who knows...there is plenty of time for them to change their mind from either way. I still would like to see an early 30's Superman. Snyder has eluded to some continuity occurring, so it wouldn't make sense to cast a 40ish Superman.

[Karelia]

Patrick Wilson looks nothing like Clark Kent/Superman. Or at least I don't see it.


My second choice for Superman is Joe. I think he has the physicality/looks/acting ability to pull off a Snyder/Nolan film. :woot:

[SuperMike335!!]

1. Too...ethnic in a Jersey Shore kinda way. He looks like a wrestling villain, (or a date rapist) his facial features aren't wholesome enough.

2. Too bald(Thinning), too beady eyed, lacks any real resemblance to the character.

3. Some potential there, but like Wilson doesn't really resemble the character.

Anyone over 6'2" looks like a clown as Clark Kent, even CR.

:whatever:

Well, then the source book Superman must look like a clown as Clark Kent, because his offical height and weight tends to be 6'3" and 225 pounds. :cwink:

People who are over 6'2" are not that uncommon that they will stand out that much.

In many of the comics, and even in the animated series, Clark is a big guy who happened to grow up on a farm. Nobody thinks anything of it.

Reeve's height, 6'4", had nothing to do with him looking like a Clown as Clark, it had to do with him acting like a bumbling clown as Clark, but certainly not his height.

Tall men a not that uncommon.

[cronosred]

2. Too bald(Thinning), too beady eyed, lacks any real resemblance to the character.


Did you not see Ghost Rider? Through the power of movie magic a balding man can have a full head of hair so that complaint really doesn't fly.

[C. Lee]

I know I can't say his name here but my dream pick for the role would be this guy.


One week probation.

[Changeling]

One week probation.

come on dude.
i personally don't like the rule, everyone should be able to voice their opinion here

[Eze]

:whatever:

Well, then the source book Superman must look like a clown as Clark Kent, because his offical height and weight tends to be 6'3" and 225 pounds. :cwink:

People who are over 6'2" are not that uncommon that they will stand out that much.

In many of the comics, and even in the animated series, Clark is a big guy who happened to grow up on a farm. Nobody thinks anything of it.

Reeve's height, 6'4", had nothing to do with him looking like a Clown as Clark, it had to do with him acting like a bumbling clown as Clark, but certainly not his height.

Tall men a not that uncommon.

Part of the reason why Superman has struggled to maintain interest with mature audiences is that his civilian disguise is a complete insult to the reader/viewer's intelligence. I'm aware of all the editorial rationalizations for why no one suspects Farmboy Kent being so huge, and they're all lame. :whatever:

The glasses are weak enough, 6'3" 225 lbs is beyond the pale. In that regard CR looked like a clown, because there is no real world scenario where a CK of that stature is going to fool anyone. Nothing about Bale in a suit as Bruce Wayne screams BATMAN! Same can't be said of guys Reeve/Routh stature.

6'1"(max) Superman will still be super, and his CK will be less of an eyesore.

[Keyser Soze]

How many more times can John Hamm be mentioned in the thread before he joins the ranks of the other Unmentionables as having been discussed too much, and must be relegated to his own seperate thread? Is it a specific number that's the limit, like 482? Is there someone keeping count?

[C. Lee]

How many more times can John Hamm be mentioned in the thread before he joins the ranks of the other Unmentionables as having been discussed too much, and must be relegated to his own seperate thread? Is it a specific number that's the limit, like 482? Is there someone keeping count?

No number....the ones banned from discussion in here are because of fights started about them. Since people couldn't talk about them without getting personal and crude...we figure they can just talk about them to the wall to thier hearts content.

[RachelDawes]

I don't really see Superman in Patrick Wilson.

I could see him as an unconventional-looking Superman.

The only people I wouldn't want for the role (who can be named in this thread) are:

Hammer
Hartnett
Cudmore
Elrod
Caviezel

[Lobo]

How many more times can John Hamm be mentioned in the thread before he joins the ranks of the other Unmentionables as having been discussed too much, and must be relegated to his own seperate thread? Is it a specific number that's the limit, like 482? Is there someone keeping count?

I figure both Hamm and Hammer will be exiled from this thread by the start of November.

[DCnightwing23]

I dont see Joe M as Superman for this particular big screen adaptation but i could see him play Supes in a tv series much like the Lois & Clark tv show and because he just looks too Italian, and he has probably natural tanner skin because of that. On the plus side he does have the height and physique down, and ive heard people say he's a for sure Snyder choice as he looks like to shouldve been in 300. But to be honest i dont think Snyder will have much of a influence whether its casting, etc not to mention he wasnt the studio's first choice so i believe Nolan, Goyer and crew will have more control then people think and Snyder is merely a pawn as they needed a director sooner rather then later. So i wouldne expect someone that looks like he shouldve been in 300 because i dont think Snyder will have much of a effect and besides he really isnt that good at casting at all.

[Doctor Jones]

Hammer is too young. I won't accept a damned 23 year old Superman.

I know Hamm gets pimped out around here alot, but I support the guy. I think he can do real well and I like him alot. Plus he's a solid enough name for this. Plus, I could imagine him alongside Bale's Batman.

[SuperZer0]

How about Ryan McPartlin, who was rumored for Captain America? Has the face, build and voice suitable for Superman and is only 35.

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http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7787/ryanmcpartlin.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8058/ryanmcpartlin710649.jpg

[Sawyer]

Love the guy on Chuck, but I wouldn't buy it.

[Sawyer]

Hammer is too young. I won't accept a damned 23 year old Superman.

I know Hamm gets pimped out around here alot, but I support the guy. I think he can do real well and I like him alot. Plus he's a solid enough name for this. Plus, I could imagine him alongside Bale's Batman.

I could buy him being older, though. I could buy him being late 20s-ish.

As far as I'm concerned, he looks older now than Routh did back during SR.

[DCnightwing23]

The thing with Hamm is he milks that retro look or setting far too much, and when he isnt in a retro setting or look he acts goofy or simply boring, and then when he is in the big screen he simply gets overshadowed by his co-stars much like The Town. I mean his next movie Howl also has a retro setting for god sakes and has no real big names. And from what Goyer and Nolan usually do is take a comic book hero and mix and match things from the comics and modern day, especially with the setting and you could really see that with Batman Begins and TDK it looked very modern day but with a touch of retro. What Hamm would be good at was another Donner Superman interpretation because thats very much old school and retro and maybe he couldve been good at that but with what weve heard this Superman movie is gonna be i dont think Hamm should even be talked about anymore. In my opinion all you Hamm fans shouldve fought for him to be Batman when Burton was helming because that was very much retro, or even a future Batman flick with a aged Batman like Year One. Hamm is no Superman and he's very much a overrated actor outside the Mad Men series. Those writers and the setting make Hamm look good

[routhman]

Just judging by what Nolan did for Superman, I'd expect to see a high-caliber, experienced actor, but one who is not overexposed and well known. Exactly like Bale at the time of casting for BB.

I think, if you created a list of those actors, you may likely find the new Superman.

[SuperMike335!!]

Part of the reason why Superman has struggled to maintain interest with mature audiences is that his civilian disguise is a complete insult to the reader/viewer's intelligence. I'm aware of all the editorial rationalizations for why no one suspects Farmboy Kent being so huge, and they're all lame. :whatever:

The glasses are weak enough, 6'3" 225 lbs is beyond the pale. In that regard CR looked like a clown, because there is no real world scenario where a CK of that stature is going to fool anyone. Nothing about Bale in a suit as Bruce Wayne screams BATMAN! Same can't be said of guys Reeve/Routh stature.

6'1"(max) Superman will still be super, and his CK will be less of an eyesore.


It insulting your intellegence is your opinion, not shared by me.
I think DC is perfectly respectful of our intelligence in regards to the way they depict Superman.

I don’t know if this has been pointed out to you before, but your obviously smart enough to see the logic is plenty good enough for a movie:

The reason nobody suspect anything is that Superman does not wear a mask. Nobody even considers that he has a secret identity to look for.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2531/0000011askaboutthemask.jpg

Him being a big guy off the farm is just a reason nobody thinks anything odd of Clark's stature. Heck there are plenty of normal people who are non-athletes, who grew up in the city, and are huge too. My room-mate is 6'5" and about 270 pounds, his whole family is big like that. His shortest male sibling is 6'2", out of 5 boys.

Nobody finds what they are not looking for. His height and muscular build have little to do with it at all. Heck 6'3" is not that uncommon at all. Its a dime a dozen.

Guys who are as muscular as Joe Manganiello can hide in normal clothing. Even if you don't think he has the face for the role, his build is a good example:

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

People would think he is THIN based on what he looks like in a suit. He could easily get away with being thicker than that in clothing, and still pass for average build.

Compared to what he looks like in ultra-tight clothing, or shirtless:

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg

As far as height goes, tall men are plenty common. Clark can get away with being tall, even over 6'3". He only needs to look shortER than Superman.

This is easily done. Body language and posture can take off a couple inches, 1 inch at least. Wearing flat sole shoes when most people are 1.5" taller in shoes, takes somebody down an inch.Superman wearing boots that actually have a normal boot heel, making him look 2" taller than he would look wearing flat sole shoes. He would also stand with perfect posture.

So the perceived difference in height, people have of Clark, and Superman is a whole 4". That is a big enough contrast to throw people off. Then there is the basic suspension of disbelief. The guy shoots lasers out of his eyes and we are worried about people getting hung up on the fact he is a big guy?

Just point out to the audience that nobody is looking for his secret identity. Done. The way I look at it, people would REFUSE to believe Clark if he straight out TOLD them he was Superman. They would think he was joking:

"yeah right Clark, you're a big guy sure, but Superman is WAY bigger, AND better looking".

So you can feel like you are insulted by him being a bigger than big guy, and be perfectly ok with him having the power to push the moon out of orbit and see through walls. In my opinion actors who are 3" in either direction from 6'3" are fair game. This is Hollywood. They can make an actor like Armie Hammer, Or Joe Manganiello look a 3" shorter as Clark, and they can also make a guy like Patrick Wilson look 3" taller as Superman.

Hey look, its my current top choices again. :woot: With the new addition of Ryan McPartlin

[SuperMike335!!]

How about Ryan McPartlin, who was rumored for Captain America? Has the face, build and voice suitable for Superman and is only 35.

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http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7787/ryanmcpartlin.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8058/ryanmcpartlin710649.jpg


Ryan McPartlin, is another choice I would be perfectly happy with. :woot:

He is also a solid 6'4", and with the athletic shape he already has, Ryan could easily bulk up to the build of Manganiello.

Huge PLUS is natural charisma. There is a reason his role was expanded on chuck.

Have to add him to my list too, I can't believe I forgot about him.

Great suggestion. He's really grown up, and doesn't look like a strong boy anymore.

His face has that Ross quality I would like to see, and, as you have already said, he is the right height and has the build.

Cudmore is a VERY good option, they should at least audition the man.

Cumdore I like too, I think he has a good face and build for it. Only issue is working around the 6'7" height as Clark. They would need to pull out some tricks for that, flat soles, a lift for the other actor's shoes etc... Not that these are hard to do anyway.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2229/danielcudmorelarge.jpg

So here are all the ones I would be happy with at this time:

Ryan McPartlin

Joe Manganiello

Armie Hammer

Patrick Wilson

Daniel Cudmore

[cronosred]

How about Ryan McPartlin, who was rumored for Captain America? Has the face, build and voice suitable for Superman and is only 35.


I could see it.

[Eze]

It insulting your intellegence is your opinion, not shared by me.
I think DC is perfectly respectful of our intelligence in regards to the way they depict Superman.

I think you are wrong, and Superman's lack of mass appeal with teens and adults supports my claims better than yours. Part of it is his boy scout ethics, part of it is his underwear on the outside, and the rest is how pathetic his civilian disguise is.

These are flaws to be overcome, not rationalized and embraced.

[Jake Cassidy]

How about Ryan McPartlin, who was rumored for Captain America? Has the face, build and voice suitable for Superman and is only 35.

ncLpMzUDyi4

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7787/ryanmcpartlin.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8058/ryanmcpartlin710649.jpg

Booster Gold

[LadyVader]

Ryan McPartlin looks good as a blonde. Why mess with perfection? :p

But yeah, he's perfect for Booster Gold not Superman.

[echostation]

While I don't support Hamm, his work in the town was DEFINITELY not overshadowed... the guy rocked the part and did a kick ass job. I wished they only gave him more to do. He totally outacted Affleck in that one scene of his with him.

Hamm was easily among the best along with Renner in that film..

[Eze]

Just judging by what Nolan did for Superman, I'd expect to see a high-caliber, experienced actor, but one who is not overexposed and well known. Exactly like Bale at the time of casting for BB.

I think, if you created a list of those actors, you may likely find the new Superman.

A list that will not include young models or Liquor mascots, thank Zod.

[Kurosawa]

Part of the reason why Superman has struggled to maintain interest with mature audiences is that his civilian disguise is a complete insult to the reader/viewer's intelligence. I'm aware of all the editorial rationalizations for why no one suspects Farmboy Kent being so huge, and they're all lame. :whatever:

The glasses are weak enough, 6'3" 225 lbs is beyond the pale. In that regard CR looked like a clown, because there is no real world scenario where a CK of that stature is going to fool anyone. Nothing about Bale in a suit as Bruce Wayne screams BATMAN! Same can't be said of guys Reeve/Routh stature.

6'1"(max) Superman will still be super, and his CK will be less of an eyesore.

The gigantic farmboy/Lil Abner Kent was a product of the late 20th century failed experiments and doesn't apply to the successful 2/3 rds of Superman's history. The glasses are only a small part of the disguise; the biggest part of the disguise is the demeanor.

[Aesop Rocks]

I hope they pick someone that pulls a Bale.

You know, only in it for the money. :)

[I Am The Knight]

It insulting your intellegence is your opinion, not shared by me.
I think DC is perfectly respectful of our intelligence in regards to the way they depict Superman.

I don’t know if this has been pointed out to you before, but your obviously smart enough to see the logic is plenty good enough for a movie:

The reason nobody suspect anything is that Superman does not wear a mask. Nobody even considers that he has a secret identity to look for.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2531/0000011askaboutthemask.jpg

Him being a big guy off the farm is just a reason nobody thinks anything odd of Clark's stature. Heck there are plenty of normal people who are non-athletes, who grew up in the city, and are huge too. My room-mate is 6'5" and about 270 pounds, his whole family is big like that. His shortest male sibling is 6'2", out of 5 boys.

Nobody finds what they are not looking for. His height and muscular build have little to do with it at all. Heck 6'3" is not that uncommon at all. Its a dime a dozen.

Guys who are as muscular as Joe Manganiello can hide in normal clothing. Even if you don't think he has the face for the role, his build is a good example:

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

People would think he is THIN based on what he looks like in a suit. He could easily get away with being thicker than that in clothing, and still pass for average build.

Compared to what he looks like in ultra-tight clothing, or shirtless:

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg

As far as height goes, tall men are plenty common. Clark can get away with being tall, even over 6'3". He only needs to look shortER than Superman.

This is easily done. Body language and posture can take off a couple inches, 1 inch at least. Wearing flat sole shoes when most people are 1.5" taller in shoes, takes somebody down an inch.Superman wearing boots that actually have a normal boot heel, making him look 2" taller than he would look wearing flat sole shoes. He would also stand with perfect posture.

So the perceived difference in height, people have of Clark, and Superman is a whole 4". That is a big enough contrast to throw people off. Then there is the basic suspension of disbelief. The guy shoots lasers out of his eyes and we are worried about people getting hung up on the fact he is a big guy?

Just point out to the audience that nobody is looking for his secret identity. Done. The way I look at it, people would REFUSE to believe Clark if he straight out TOLD them he was Superman. They would think he was joking:

"yeah right Clark, you're a big guy sure, but Superman is WAY bigger, AND better looking".

So you can feel like you are insulted by him being a bigger than big guy, and be perfectly ok with him having the power to push the moon out of orbit and see through walls. In my opinion actors who are 3" in either direction from 6'3" are fair game. This is Hollywood. They can make an actor like Armie Hammer, Or Joe Manganiello look a 3" shorter as Clark, and they can also make a guy like Patrick Wilson look 3" taller as Superman.

Hey look, its my current top choices again. :woot: With the new addition of Ryan McPartlin

What a dumbass theory. So no one can see that they look a little bit too much alike? LOIS LANE, who spends all day with Clark, and all night with Superman :o , can't tell that they are the same f***ing guy? Gimme a break. We bought into it because it's a classic aspect of the mythos, not because it actually works, despite what Batman says. You can find plenty of people who have your same buld, your same height, but you're not gonna find anyone who looks (as in your face) exactly like you except for a pair of glasses. Especially someone with such a public persona as Superman. Who on top of that also has your same build and height.

"Clark is Superman? Yeah Right!" It didn't work in SR, and if they try to address it again, it will probably not work again. They either completely rework it or leave it alone. No one will complain, since it's classic Superman. But don't try to say that that kind of stuff actually works in a world where not everyone is dumb/blind/in denial of what's in front of them.

[Doc Samson]

I don't really see Superman in Patrick Wilson.

I agree, it seems that some posters here are determined to post horrible choices, no matter what. :cmad:

Patrick Wilson looks nothing like Clark Kent/Superman. Or at least I don't see it.

I don't know, not only was his portrayal as Dan Dreiberg almost a spot on Clark Kent, but his face IMO looks much more like Clark/Superman than some of these other suggestions.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/jdareal21/patrick_wilson.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/jdareal21/3259320794_14d11fd34b.jpg

Besides the connection to Snyder, I think we need to go beyond just looks though, which everyone seems to be worried about, to the wholesome quality & charm Wilson brings to a lot of his roles, something that's innate that Christopher Reeve had, that transcends the material and makes you believe in the guy. I think Superman needs that again

[Eze]

The gigantic farmboy/Lil Abner Kent was a product of the late 20th century failed experiments and doesn't apply to the successful 2/3 rds of Superman's history. The glasses are only a small part of the disguise; the biggest part of the disguise is the demeanor.

For 2/3 rds of Superman's history, Wayne Boring and Curt Swan drew every male almost the same, Clark Kent was average height by comparison so the shift in demeanour worked.

Not so in motion pictures. CR eclipsed most of the Daily planet staff, especially by the third film. Routh was the same, the only guy in the office 6'3" 225 lbs. The Rock did a sketch on SNL years ago where they addressed this issue, laughing at Kent behind his back, as if the giant oaf was fooling anyone.

I don't want that sore thumb again. Make Superman shorter, or cast giant xtras which isn't likely to happen, so make Superman 6'1", he could slouch to 5'10" ish.

Now Clark Kent is average, doesn't stand out and Superman is still over 6'.

Win/Win, no?

[batlovescatDC]

After I've come to think about Snyder's previous films to MOS (including Sucker Punch), I thoughT of something...

There's a very big chance Snyder isn't going to cast someone he's worked with before (at least not in the main role). He hasn't done it in any of his other films before. I really don't think that we'll be seeing Jon Hamm in the role of Supes/Clark Kent.

[JAK®]

For 2/3 rds of Superman's history, Wayne Boring and Curt Swan drew every male almost the same, Clark Kent was average height by comparison so the shift in demeanour worked.

Not so in motion pictures. CR eclipsed most of the Daily planet staff, especially by the third film. Routh was the same, the only guy in the office 6'3" 225 lbs. The Rock did a sketch on SNL years ago where they addressed this issue, laughing at Kent behind his back, as if the giant oaf was fooling anyone.

I don't want that sore thumb again. Make Superman shorter, or cast giant xtras which isn't likely to happen, so make Superman 6'1", he could slouch to 5'10" ish.

Now Clark Kent is average, doesn't stand out and Superman is still over 6'.

Win/Win, no?
Except being 6'3 isn't really that unusual. Tall, yes, but being tall also isn't unusual. His muscular size is more of a problem for his nerd image than height will ever be.

I also don't agree that Reeve stuck out like a sore thumb physically. He stood out because he was tripping everywhere and spilling coffee all over himself.

And one of the best parts of SR was the fact Routh managed to be unnoticeable as Clark Kent.

[JAK®]

Also one of the best explanations for Clark's size was demonstrated in All-Star Superman, where slouching and dropping his head forward gave him a double chin which made him look chubby instead of muscular.

Even The Rock could be made to look like that in a poorly-fitted suit and by following that example.

[Gianakin_]

Saw the Social Network yesterday and I gotta say, I'm off the Hammer bandwagon. I like the guy but I don't see him as Supes at all. I understand why they cast him as Batman in JL, though.

[PreK]

What a dumbass theory. So no one can see that they look a little bit too much alike? LOIS LANE, who spends all day with Clark, and all night with Superman :o , can't tell that they are the same f***ing guy? Gimme a break. We bought into it because it's a classic aspect of the mythos, not because it actually works, despite what Batman says. You can find plenty of people who have your same buld, your same height, but you're not gonna find anyone who looks (as in your face) exactly like you except for a pair of glasses. Especially someone with such a public persona as Superman. Who on top of that also has your same build and height.

"Clark is Superman? Yeah Right!" It didn't work in SR, and if they try to address it again, it will probably not work again. They either completely rework it or leave it alone. No one will complain, since it's classic Superman. But don't try to say that that kind of stuff actually works in a world where not everyone is dumb/blind/in denial of what's in front of them.
It's not that far-fetched of a concept, or a very difficult one to grasp. There are plenty of celebrity look-a-likes out there within the Hollywood industry and in civilian life. Because of their recognition in the public spotlight, there is absolutely no reason to mark up a theory that two people who look the same (even identical), are the same person. Reasoning dictates that they must have separate lives.

This applies to people around Clark as well. They see both Clark and Superman have a public life. At very best, it'd be a running gag how the two look similar. Eminem could be my new co-worker tomorrow, but if he introduced himself as John and I consistently see him in a normal every day life, I'm just going to assume he has a remarkable resemblance to the rapper. A larger-than-life celebrity such as that has no business among the regular folk. The old adage, "hiding in plain sight" exists for a reason. It's a very real phenomena that's been studied and proven to exist for ages.

[Changeling]

After I've come to think about Snyder's previous films to MOS (including Sucker Punch), I thoughT of something...

There's a very big chance Snyder isn't going to cast someone he's worked with before (at least not in the main role). He hasn't done it in any of his other films before. I really don't think that we'll be seeing Jon Hamm in the role of Supes/Clark Kent.

I can't tell if youre saying that you think he won't reuse a main actor from one of his previous films as Superman, or if youre saying that he wont use an actor that appeared in one of his previous films.

Actually, he has reused actors a few times for his movies. Some examples are Carla Gugino (Sucker Punch, Watchmen), Stephen McHattie (Watchmen, 300), Abbie Cornish (Legend of the Guardians, Sucker Punch), and Gerard Butler (300, Tales of The Black Freighter [which was animated])

[Daybreak_st]

It's not that far-fetched of a concept, or a very difficult one to grasp. There are plenty of celebrity look-a-likes out there within the Hollywood industry and in civilian life. Because of their recognition in the public spotlight, there is absolutely no reason to mark up a theory that two people who look the same (even identical), are the same person. Reasoning dictates that they must have separate lives.

This applies to people around Clark as well. They see both Clark and Superman have a public life. At very best, it'd be a running gag how the two look similar. Eminem could be my new co-worker tomorrow, but if he introduced himself as John and I consistently see him in a normal every day life, I'm just going to assume he has a remarkable resemblance to the rapper. A larger-than-life celebrity such as that has no business among the regular folk. The old adage, "hiding in plain sight" exists for a reason. It's a very real phenomena that's been studied and proven to exist for ages.

Personally i think Smallville has handled it masterfully for a modern audience with the love triangle happening while Clark was working behind the scenes as the "Blur" (lame name yes but decent concept). She doesn't know it's clark because she's never seen the guy's face! :woot: Imagine that, it actually makes sense. Then as soon as she kisses him the first time,, guess what? She figures it out :woot: Good for you lois, you are no longer the dumbest woman in comic book history!

All kidding aside, i do think the secret id can work in certain ways. Say when Superman first shows up, he hasn't given any interviews no one has seen him up close, he really is just a red/blue blur, occassionally people see his cape or a few eye witness see him up close when he rescues them, during that time period, yes no one would connect clark kent and superman. It works. Not even lois would make the connection. But as soon as his gives an interview, is on tv or speaks with lois in person, she'd know, she of all people simply has too much time with him in both identities.

However around the other members of the daily planet, people who've never met Superman and only know clark casually, they may notice a resemblance if they've seen enough pictures of Superman, but other than that no one would expect. It's like that show "I get that a lot" when they put a celebrity like Heidi Klum in a Pizza shop. You'd be surprised how many are like, "hey you look like someone i know, somebody famous, but i can't place it...", every once in a while someone will know right off the bat that it's the celebrity but sometimes, you'll have them saying things like, "you look prettier than heidi klum, etc". While people do recognize them at some level they don't always assume that it's really the star, just someone who bears a remarkable resemblance.

so there are ways to make it work in a film, but i honestly think anyone who spends time with both would figure it out pretty quick.

[GreenKToo]

Hammer, Hamm, Fox, or Joe M. for me. Its a reboot after all.

[hopefuldreamer]

I don't get the John hamm for Superman Campaign, his supporters here are vocal and keep on posting the same arguments over and over in his favor, as if there are no other suitable candidates out there.

I don't think that John hamm is suitable candidate for superman at all, though he has a good look and presence for playing Jonathan Kent.
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Completely agreed.

Part of the reason why Superman has struggled to maintain interest with mature audiences is that his civilian disguise is a complete insult to the reader/viewer's intelligence. I'm aware of all the editorial rationalizations for why no one suspects Farmboy Kent being so huge, and they're all lame. :whatever:

The glasses are weak enough, 6'3" 225 lbs is beyond the pale. In that regard CR looked like a clown, because there is no real world scenario where a CK of that stature is going to fool anyone. Nothing about Bale in a suit as Bruce Wayne screams BATMAN! Same can't be said of guys Reeve/Routh stature.

6'1"(max) Superman will still be super, and his CK will be less of an eyesore.

It insulting your intellegence is your opinion, not shared by me.
I think DC is perfectly respectful of our intelligence in regards to the way they depict Superman.

I don’t know if this has been pointed out to you before, but your obviously smart enough to see the logic is plenty good enough for a movie:

The reason nobody suspect anything is that Superman does not wear a mask. Nobody even considers that he has a secret identity to look for.

Him being a big guy off the farm is just a reason nobody thinks anything odd of Clark's stature. Heck there are plenty of normal people who are non-athletes, who grew up in the city, and are huge too.

Guys who are as muscular as Joe Manganiello can hide in normal clothing. Even if you don't think he has the face for the role, his build is a good example:

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

People would think he is THIN based on what he looks like in a suit. He could easily get away with being thicker than that in clothing, and still pass for average build.

Compared to what he looks like in ultra-tight clothing, or shirtless:

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg

He only needs to look shortER than Superman.

This is easily done. Body language and posture can take off a couple inches, 1 inch at least. Wearing flat sole shoes when most people are 1.5" taller in shoes, takes somebody down an inch.Superman wearing boots that actually have a normal boot heel, making him look 2" taller than he would look wearing flat sole shoes. He would also stand with perfect posture.

So the perceived difference in height, people have of Clark, and Superman is a whole 4". That is a big enough contrast to throw people off. Then there is the basic suspension of disbelief. The guy shoots lasers out of his eyes and we are worried about people getting hung up on the fact he is a big guy?

Just point out to the audience that nobody is looking for his secret identity. Done. The way I look at it, people would REFUSE to believe Clark if he straight out TOLD them he was Superman. They would think he was joking:

"yeah right Clark, you're a big guy sure, but Superman is WAY bigger, AND better looking".


I think you are wrong, and Superman's lack of mass appeal with teens and adults supports my claims better than yours. Part of it is his boy scout ethics, part of it is his underwear on the outside, and the rest is how pathetic his civilian disguise is.

These are flaws to be overcome, not rationalized and embraced.

Now, I know that Superman doesn't have as much popularity at the moment as Batman or Spiderman, but suggesting that his disguise is the reason is IMO ridiculous.

TBH i'd like to see some kind of proof that he has a lack of mass appeal with teens and adults... cause as far as i'm concerned, he's doing just fine. I mean, smallville is still running after 10 years.

If you ask me, the only reason that Superman is not mega popular at the moment like Batman, is because of SR, which would have put me off Superman for life if I wasn't already a die hard fan.

Yes, people like to make fun of Superman's underwear on the outside, and the boy scout ethics, but it doesn't mean they won't go out and watch a movie with him in because of it. It's good hearted mockery most of the time.

What a dumbass theory. So no one can see that they look a little bit too much alike? LOIS LANE, who spends all day with Clark, and all night with Superman :o , can't tell that they are the same f***ing guy? Gimme a break. But don't try to say that that kind of stuff actually works in a world where not everyone is dumb/blind/in denial of what's in front of them.

Wow... do you HATE the Superman story?


This applies to people around Clark as well. They see both Clark and Superman have a public life. At very best, it'd be a running gag how the two look similar. Eminem could be my new co-worker tomorrow, but if he introduced himself as John and I consistently see him in a normal every day life, I'm just going to assume he has a remarkable resemblance to the rapper. A larger-than-life celebrity such as that has no business among the regular folk. The old adage, "hiding in plain sight" exists for a reason. It's a very real phenomena that's been studied and proven to exist for ages.

Agreed completely.

And even with Lois Lane, I think LnC handled it perfectly. She met Clark the country bumpkin first, liked him, but would never admit that because she was too scared of a real relationship with a nice normal guy... then met this guy who swallowed a bomb in front of her eyes... even if she immediately thought 'Is that Clark?' as soon as she saw him do that, her conclusion would have been 'oh... obviously not.'

And then when he acted completely differently to Clark, much more confident for example, she accepted they were two different people who looked quite alike. And as her crush on Superman grew, she even believed he was much more attractive than Clark. That he had better skin, that he was taller and that he was much more well defined.

It just makes sense to me.

[djkris]

After I've come to think about Snyder's previous films to MOS (including Sucker Punch), I thoughT of something...

There's a very big chance Snyder isn't going to cast someone he's worked with before (at least not in the main role). He hasn't done it in any of his other films before. I really don't think that we'll be seeing Jon Hamm in the role of Supes/Clark Kent.

What if Dr. Manhattan gets to be Kal-El?

http://celebmonkey.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/20/tn2_billy_crudup_1.jpg
http://content9.flixster.com/rtactor/40/64/40647_ori.jpg
http://www.poptower.com/pic-31441/billy-crudup.jpg?w=450&h=450

He is currently 42 and he's 5' 8½, but I think he could be convincing, especially if they go with the "mature" Superman approach. Good actor, great voice and he can gain some muscle for the part.

[Slugster]

:huh:................oh :doh:boy................:pal:

[Superman2007]

What if Dr. Manhattan gets to be Kal-El?

http://celebmonkey.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/20/tn2_billy_crudup_1.jpg
http://content9.flixster.com/rtactor/40/64/40647_ori.jpg
http://www.poptower.com/pic-31441/billy-crudup.jpg?w=450&h=450

He is currently 42 and he's 5' 8½, but I think he could be convincing, especially if they go with the "mature" Superman approach. Good actor, great voice and he can gain some muscle for the part.
Too short...and just...no.

[djkris]

OK, just throwing some other name around, rather than the usual ones. No need for disrespect... :csad:

[hopefuldreamer]

OK, just throwing some other name around, rather than the usual ones. No need for disrespect... :csad:

I suggested him a while back actually when we first got the director confirmed, but I didn't check out his height. His face works for me, but if someone that short is being considered (which IMO is impossible) i'd have to go back to my Bomer crush :)

[Dark Knight]

Patrick Wilson looks nothing like Clark Kent/Superman. Or at least I don't see it.


My second choice for Superman is Joe. I think he has the physicality/looks/acting ability to pull off a Snyder/Nolan film. :woot:








Patrick Wilson looks nothing like Kent/Superman but an Italian guy with a hooked nose like Joe M looks like Kent/Superman??

:doh:

[Project862006]

From Superman:Earth One

not saying MOS will take elements or appearance but if they were:
http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ265E9260.jpg
http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ6C238E25.jpg
http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ0A32E669.jpg
http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/16230/eone4.JPG

Jake Gyllenhaal for Superman then :awesome:
http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/legacyimages/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/17/jake_gyllenhaal_3.jpg

[batlovescatDC]

I can't tell if youre saying that you think he won't reuse a main actor from one of his previous films as Superman, or if youre saying that he wont use an actor that appeared in one of his previous films.

Actually, he has reused actors a few times for his movies. Some examples are Carla Gugino (Sucker Punch, Watchmen), Stephen McHattie (Watchmen, 300), Abbie Cornish (Legend of the Guardians, Sucker Punch), and Gerard Butler (300, Tales of The Black Freighter [which was animated])


I'm saying I could see him possibly reusing an actor he's worked with before as one of Superman's supporting characters. But I really don't think he'll use one in the main starring role. I think we can expect to see someone new for him.

[SuperMike335!!]

For 2/3 rds of Superman's history, Wayne Boring and Curt Swan drew every male almost the same, Clark Kent was average height by comparison so the shift in demeanour worked.

Not so in motion pictures. CR eclipsed most of the Daily planet staff, especially by the third film. Routh was the same, the only guy in the office 6'3" 225 lbs. The Rock did a sketch on SNL years ago where they addressed this issue, laughing at Kent behind his back, as if the giant oaf was fooling anyone.

I don't want that sore thumb again. Make Superman shorter, or cast giant xtras which isn't likely to happen, so make Superman 6'1", he could slouch to 5'10" ish.

Now Clark Kent is average, doesn't stand out and Superman is still over 6'.

Win/Win, no?

Why not be 6'3" barefoot :woot: ? and slouch and wear flat sole shoes to "look" 6'0", and have a normal boot heel and internal boot sole in the Superman boots, making him "look" 6'5" as Superman? Which is VERY common anway, guys over 6'4" are a dime a dozen.

To me freakishly tall is anyone over 6'6". Anything under that does not stand out that much to me.

Take an actor who is near that, say 6'5", for instance he would wear flat sole shoes, which takes him down a perceived inch, as everyone else' shoes make them about 1-1.5" taller. Then he slouches, and that takes off 2". So, he could look as short as 6'2".

In his Superman suit, he wears boots that have a normal heel and sole, making him a solid 2" taller than barefoot, giving him a perceived height of 6'7".

So, the same person could be perceived as having a 5" height difference from Clark to Superman.

It does not matter how tall Superman is barefoot. All he needs it a contrast in height with Clark.

Don't honestly tell me you're going to let an SNL sketch influence who you think should be cast as Superman?

They could poke fun at the flaws in logic in ANY Superhero medium.
The reason they were laughing on him was because HE WAS WEARING THE COSTUME UNDER HIS CLOTHES. And it was funny. :woot:

The reason they used the Rock is because he is a big guy, actually 6'3" and 225 pounds (he has lost weight since his wrestling days).

Having a guy the height/build of Joe Manganiello in a suit, and he looks thin in one, so the only thing about him that could stand out (body wise) is his height. Even then with flat soles and posture would not even look his real height. Regardless of how tall Clark seems to be, he would be perceived as 4-5" shorter than Superman.

Even if you downsize superman, to make a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes more realistic, what about his facial features? Those would be MORE of give away than his height.

That is the suspension of disbelief. We suspend it just like anything else. No matter HOW realistic you try to make something, it is still easy enough to point out and make fun of realism flaws.

That "realism" flaw is not the reason for any faltering interest in the character. If there even is. Smallville is on its 10th season. The guy who plays Clark there is 6’3", and the audience is just fine with it (note: I'm not pimping him for the role here, only pointed out that 6'3" is not too tall for an any actor)

Superman’s sourcebook height is 6’3", sometimes even 6’4" and having an actor "around that", or be made to look around that if he is only 6’1" is just fine by me.

[M.O.Steel]

As of right now, the choices I like that have been discussed are:

1. Joe Manganiello

2. Patrick Wilson

3. Armie Hammer

For these 3 I can imagine it working quite well. Keeping in mind the effect of a hollywood production makeup crew, getting in shape, good costume design etc...

for me, i would replace #3 with Hamm. what's interesting about your (and my) choices is that all 3 have elements of superman, yet they are very much different from one another. this just proves that there is no such thing as "the definitive superman" look but we feel that superman should be, which parts are emphasized.

no one thought thomas jane would be a good punisher, hell even the first teaser trailer was terrible. we have to keep an open mind that regardless of who is picked, they would someone based on what they saw would make an amazing superman or clark kent in the movie.

[SuperMike335!!]

Completely agreed.

Now, I know that Superman doesn't have as much popularity at the moment as Batman or Spiderman, but suggesting that his disguise is the reason is IMO ridiculous.

TBH i'd like to see some kind of proof that he has a lack of mass appeal with teens and adults... cause as far as i'm concerned, he's doing just fine. I mean, smallville is still running after 10 years.

If you ask me, the only reason that Superman is not mega popular at the moment like Batman, is because of SR, which would have put me off Superman for life if I wasn't already a die hard fan.

Yes, people like to make fun of Superman's underwear on the outside, and the boy scout ethics, but it doesn't mean they won't go out and watch a movie with him in because of it. It's good hearted mockery most of the time.



Agreed.

There are tons of stuff to make a joke of from the glasses disguise, to the underpants on the outside, to kryptonite plot device etc…

I laugh at them too. They are funny.

I still bought the entire STAS series, the other animated works by WB and DC, and I still buy superman comics.

Any Batman fan should go to youtube and search for "Batman is going to get shot in the face", its FUNNY, but you will STILL be a Batman fan after watching it.

You cannot make anything invincible from humor, but humor should not make somebody dislike a concept.

If a bit of humor can drop somebody's opinion so easily, then their opinion was to hard to bother maintaining in the first place.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Not that I buy the 35-40 information after Snyder openly said it would be the "early days of Superman," but if there had to be a 35-40 Superman, the only name actor in that age range that fits the bill is Michael Trucco.

http://www.allgeekthings.co.uk/images/stories/ramblings/michael-trucco_320.jpg

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Ca_Ce/Castle/season2/castle-132.jpg

He's 6'3. Has a good build for the role. Commanding presence. He expressed during the JL:M days that he'd want to play Superman. He has a strong look for the role IMO.

http://bogge.com/cache/thetvdb/episodes/83462/1966611.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Trucco+xHYXCDsFmHzm.jpg

[LadyVader]

Anders!? Mwahahaha... He died flying into the sun. That'd be prophetic almost. :)

[SuperMike335!!]

Not that I buy the 35-40 information after Snyder openly said it would be the "early days of Superman," but if there had to be a 35-40 Superman, the only name actor in that age range that fits the bill is Michael Trucco.

http://www.allgeekthings.co.uk/images/stories/ramblings/michael-trucco_320.jpg

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Ca_Ce/Castle/season2/castle-132.jpg

He's 6'3. Has a good build for the role. Commanding presence. He expressed during the JL:M days that he'd want to play Superman. He has a strong look for the role IMO.

http://bogge.com/cache/thetvdb/episodes/83462/1966611.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Trucco+xHYXCDsFmHzm.jpg

For Sure!

Another solid choice.

[SuperMike335!!]

Anders!? Mwahahaha... He died flying into the sun. That'd be prophetic almost. :)


Like going from Icarus to Apollo? :woot:

I can easily see Superman as sort of a modern Apollo.

[GreenKToo]

trucco was a fav not long ago.

[Changeling]

Jake Gyllenhaal for Superman then :awesome:
http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/legacyimages/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/17/jake_gyllenhaal_3.jpg

Dude Jake Gyllenhaal would make a kickass Superman. I was sold when I saw him in Prince of Persia. Id absolutely LOVE for him to be cast, and him and Armie Hammer would be my choices if they go for a younger Superman :)

[Man of Tomorrow]

trucco was a fav not long ago.

Yeah,

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=298457

This was the thread in regards to Justice League: Mortal, where fans wanted him to play Supes. Michael got his people to look into it and realized they were casting a young 20 something Superman (DJ) instead.

But he definitely expressed interest and said the role in JL:M should have been cast older, given that the character was an established veteran and leader with gravitas.

[SuperMike335!!]

Dude Jake Gyllenhaal would make a kickass Superman. I was sold when I saw him in Prince of Persia. Id absolutely LOVE for him to be cast, and him and Armie Hammer would be my choices if they go for a younger Superman :)


No to Gyllenhaal.

He would make a good Ahmadinejad however.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qTbQgwy8qkk/SoU9v4bqGaI/AAAAAAAABG0/x508kZxtpqA/s400/jake-gyllenhaal-5.jpg

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/files/2009/06/ahmadinejad.jpg

Prince of Persia was IMHO a flop. To his credit, Jake does look like the President of the country that once was Persia.

and him and Armie Hammer would be my choices if they go for a younger Superman

Armie Hammer I am fine with on the other hand.

Ryan Mcpartlin may be my new favorite for the role however.

[SuperMike335!!]

Yeah,

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=298457

This was the thread in regards to Justice League: Mortal, where fans wanted him to play Supes. Michael got his people to look into it and realized they were casting a young 20 something Superman (DJ) instead.

But he definitely expressed interest and said the role in JL:M should have been cast older, given that the character was an established veteran and leader with gravitas.


He does look Masculine, and I can easily imagine what he would look like as Superman.

[I Am The Knight]

It's not that far-fetched of a concept, or a very difficult one to grasp. There are plenty of celebrity look-a-likes out there within the Hollywood industry and in civilian life. Because of their recognition in the public spotlight, there is absolutely no reason to mark up a theory that two people who look the same (even identical), are the same person. Reasoning dictates that they must have separate lives.

This applies to people around Clark as well. They see both Clark and Superman have a public life. At very best, it'd be a running gag how the two look similar. Eminem could be my new co-worker tomorrow, but if he introduced himself as John and I consistently see him in a normal every day life, I'm just going to assume he has a remarkable resemblance to the rapper. A larger-than-life celebrity such as that has no business among the regular folk. The old adage, "hiding in plain sight" exists for a reason. It's a very real phenomena that's been studied and proven to exist for ages.

I'm sure it can fool the general populace, but what about Lois Lane? Jimmy Olsen? People who spend time with Clark and Superman can't make the connection by just looking at the guy? Especially Lois, who is supposed to be "clever" can't figure it out? All she would have to do is snap a picture of Clark, remove the glasses and compare it to a pic of Superman.

Celebrities are not super-heroes. No one would think that Eminem (ugh) is secretly a vigilante, sure. But super-heroes tend to have secret identities. While Superman doesn't wear a mask, he is the most famous person in the world. People would surely theorize about his life and what kind of life he leads when he's not Superman. Especially people who work in a newspaper...Having a Superman look-alike who is never around when Superman does his stuff is just too distracting.

Saying "Oh you know what, he kinda looks like Superman, is a huge guy, and if you remove the glasses you pretty much have the same person. Yup, Clark is definitely not Superman. Oh silly me." doesn't cut it.

It's a cutesy gimmick, and that's it for me. Clark can use deameanor to sort of fool people but that alone is not enough. I don't know how it's going to be handled in the movie, but since Nolan is the master producer he will probably give some serious thought to this issue...Or just leave it alone. I'm fine with the disguse, it's classic stuff, but I can't take it seriously.

Wow... do you HATE the Superman story?

And where do I say that? Nice way of editing (more like completely chopping) my post. If you read, I said the disguise is a classic element of the mythos, but since it's a little too gimmicky I would rather they don't address it in a cutesy way like in SR or completely rework it. Even If I did HATE the disguise, how would that translate to me hating the "Superman story" as broad as that statement is?

[SuperMike335!!]

And where do I say that? Nice way of editing (more like completely chopping) my post. If you read, I said the disguise is a classic element of the mythos, but since it's a little too gimmicky I would rather they don't address it in a cutesy way like in SR or completely rework it. Even If I did HATE the disguise, how would that translate to me hating the "Superman story" as broad as that statement is?

So in other words, you suspend your disbelief, and you won't let a few unrealistic things ruin your enjoyment as fan of the Mythic fictional character?

That is about where I am at with it. I don't need all of it to be realistic.

[Eze]

Also one of the best explanations for Clark's size was demonstrated in All-Star Superman, where slouching and dropping his head forward gave him a double chin which made him look chubby instead of muscular.

Even The Rock could be made to look like that in a poorly-fitted suit and by following that example.

Not likely.

Look guys, my Superman collection spans 20+ years. I'm fully aware of all the BS rationalizations that keep characters in the DC universe from connecting CK to Superman.

I am not a character in the DC universe, and whenever I am forced to observe a Clark Kent whose size is far above the average, I start to disconnect. Suspension of disbelief takes two, and Quietly's incredible Bulk isn't living up to his end of the deal.

All of you are still willing to go that extra mile to disbelieve out of nostalgia, as Superman fans. For the rest of us, giant Clark is a problem, one of three problems that makes Superman a joke.

For decades, Superman was depicted as average height. 6'3" is not even close to average, worldwide it's less than 6' every where outside the Netherlands. For decades Swan drew every grown man nearly the same, and it works. No sore thumb Kent, the largest bio mass in the office.

Anywhoos, I don't wanna go round and round again, so we will just have to agree to disagree. Giant sized Clark is ok for you, not for me. I want Kent to slouch under 6', Superman stands slightly above it. I don't want Steroidman, I want Averageman, who might just be easier to relate too.

[I Am The Knight]

So in other words, you suspend your disbelief, and you won't let a few unrealistic things ruin your enjoyment as fan of the Mythic fictional character?

That is about where I am at with it. I don't need all of it to be realistic.

Neither do I, but I don't know exactly how they plan to address it in the new movie, so I would just rather they leave it alone as is. Like I said before, no one will complain, since that's one of the most recognizable elements of the character. But if Nolan plans to go sort of "realistic" with it, they will probably have to rework it.

[Keyser Soze]

No to Gyllenhaal.

He would make a good Ahmadinejad however.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qTbQgwy8qkk/SoU9v4bqGaI/AAAAAAAABG0/x508kZxtpqA/s400/jake-gyllenhaal-5.jpg

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/files/2009/06/ahmadinejad.jpg

Prince of Persia was IMHO a flop. To his credit, Jake does look like the President of the country that once was Persia.

Wow, that made for awkward reading. It may not have been your intent, but I think it would be very easy to read this post as a little bit Anti-Semetic.

[solidsnake86]

They almost cast jake as batman because of his strong audition, I wouldnt be surprised if he would be looked at for superman and at least we know he can act if they wanted to go for a more well known actor. Either way they have a lot to choose from this time around.

[JAK®]

Not likely.

Look guys, my Superman collection spans 20+ years. I'm fully aware of all the BS rationalizations that keep characters in the DC universe from connecting CK to Superman.

I am not a character in the DC universe, and whenever I am forced to observe a Clark Kent whose size is far above the average, I start to disconnect. Suspension of disbelief takes two, and Quietly's incredible Bulk isn't living up to his end of the deal.

All of you are still willing to go that extra mile to disbelieve out of nostalgia, as Superman fans. For the rest of us, giant Clark is a problem, one of three problems that makes Superman a joke.

For decades, Superman was depicted as average height. 6'3" is not even close to average, worldwide it's less than 6' every where outside the Netherlands. For decades Swan drew every grown man nearly the same, and it works. No sore thumb Kent, the largest bio mass in the office.

Anywhoos, I don't wanna go round and round again, so we will just have to agree to disagree. Giant sized Clark is ok for you, not for me. I want Kent to slouch under 6', Superman stands slightly above it. I don't want Steroidman, I want Averageman, who might just be easier to relate too.
You make several assumptions:

1. Being tall makes you stick out like a sore thumb. Unless you get to over 6'6 it's not really that remarkable.

2. That being 6'3 225lbs makes you a steroid freak.

3. That Clark being big and tall means that people will assume he is Superman.

The readers know about the disguise so we can point out the flaws. But the actual characters don't know, and in reality people take things at face value.

[C. Lee]

No to Gyllenhaal.

He would make a good Ahmadinejad however.
Prince of Persia was IMHO a flop. To his credit, Jake does look like the President of the country that once was Persia.
Which is pretty damn funny considering the arguing in the PRINCE OF PERSIA thread about how he didn't look middle eastern.

[Keyser Soze]

They almost cast jake as batman because of his strong audition, I wouldnt be surprised if he would be looked at for superman and at least we know he can act if they wanted to go for a more well known actor. Either way they have a lot to choose from this time around.

Yeah, you gotta feel bad for Jake Gyllenhaal. Almost gets Batman, but misses out. Actually briefly replaces Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man when he got that back injury, only for Maguire to come back after all.

[gdw]

Not that I buy the 35-40 information after Snyder openly said it would be the "early days of Superman," but if there had to be a 35-40 Superman, the only name actor in that age range that fits the bill is Michael Trucco.

http://www.allgeekthings.co.uk/images/stories/ramblings/michael-trucco_320.jpg

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Ca_Ce/Castle/season2/castle-132.jpg

He's 6'3. Has a good build for the role. Commanding presence. He expressed during the JL:M days that he'd want to play Superman. He has a strong look for the role IMO.

http://bogge.com/cache/thetvdb/episodes/83462/1966611.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Trucco+xHYXCDsFmHzm.jpg


I would certainly not hate it if he was cast, especially based on these pictures. I don't at all mind a more mature looking Superman like this. I always found Reeve embodied a more mature look for his age, especially when compared with Routh, and many other actors suggested. I don't mind Hamm, but I think he looks like an "older" Superman, not a "mature" Superman.

I also don't mind a younger Superman, especially if they go for a more year one/Birthright approach, which Routh, look wise, would have been perfect for.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Gyllenhaal's a solid dramatic actor. But he just isn't capable in the action department nor is he a box office draw.

[solidsnake86]

Yeah, you gotta feel bad for Jake Gyllenhaal. Almost gets Batman, but misses out. Actually briefly replaces Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man when he got that back injury, only for Maguire to come back after all.

I know people would probably hate the idea but he could probably do a great job in the role and would be a different look for superman. From his roles I could see him being a better fit for superman then batman.

[Keyser Soze]

I know people would probably hate the idea but he could probably do a great job in the role and would be a different look for superman. From his roles I could see him being a better fit for superman then batman.

I dunno. I'm a big fan of Jake Gyllenhaal. When he's at his best, he has this quirky, off-kilter charisma that really makes for a memorable screen presence. But when required to play a more straightforward, straight role - ie, in his blockbuster appearances - he struggles. So while I think he could bring an interesting dimension to Clark Kent, I don't know how he'd fare as Superman.

There are other choices I'd probably prefer. But he's a good enough actor that I'd be happy to give him a chance if he were cast.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Gyllenhaal's a solid dramatic actor. But he just isn't capable in the action department nor is he a box office draw. Agreed.

[TheWatcher]

Trucco would be great.

[SuperMike335!!]

Gyllenhaal's a solid dramatic actor. But he just isn't capable in the action department nor is he a box office draw.



Jamie, good to see you on again.

I know you have some inside information, and I do not know if you can comment if you did, but I'll ask anyway.

What are your thoughts on the chances WB will be looking at the list of actors who were being auditioned for Captain America a while back?

If WB would be looking at actors with the experience levels of Ryan McPartlin (one of the Cap candidates if I remember right), or if by experienced they mean "very well known/already star" actors?

[GreenKToo]

Jamie said not too long ago that he heard they were looking at *names* for supes. Take that for what its worth.

[Eze]

So much for letting it go...:whatever:
You make several assumptions:

1. Being tall makes you stick out like a sore thumb. Unless you get to over 6'6 it's not really that remarkable.

You are delusional. Go educate yourself about average height for men, by race and by country.

2. That being 6'3 225lbs makes you a steroid freak.

Never said that. Steroidman refers to DCU design, Sale, Quietly, McGuiness, Turner style of depiction.

3. That Clark being big and tall means that people will assume he is Superman.

The readers know about the disguise so we can point out the flaws. But the actual characters don't know, and in reality people take things at face value.
You make it sound like I'm claiming strangers on the street will know CK is Superman because of his stature. This is only a problem with characters who know both CK and \S/, I assumed that was a given. Clearly not the case with you, you didn't get it so I'll repeat myself, this is only a problem with characters who know both CK and \S/.

If Clark's co-workers who have met Superman, just take it at face value that the biggest guy in the office looks exactly like Superman, except for a pair of glasses and a slouch, then they suffer from intellectual disability. Stupid people take things at face value. Is Lois stupid? Are Jimmy or Perry White stupid? Are you stupid? I know I'm not stupid, anymore. Superman is a joke for three reasons: Underwear, Ethics, Disguise. If WB wants to make him relevant to wider audiences, they need to address these issues or it's SR all over again.

Fans who think Superman is fine as is are blinded by nostalgia. I know I used to be too, for decades. I don't want Superman to be the training wheel superhero anymore, the first one fans grow out of. I want the guy from the Golden Age back.

Ultimately the best reason to cast a 6' Superman, is it opens up the talent pool to draw from. Tall people are so rare, it's hard to find ones that can act well. If this weren't the case, Superman movies wouldn't be such a nightmare to cast.

[Eze]

I would certainly not hate it if he was cast, especially based on these pictures. I don't at all mind a more mature looking Superman like this. I always found Reeve embodied a more mature look for his age, especially when compared with Routh, and many other actors suggested. I don't mind Hamm, but I think he looks like an "older" Superman, not a "mature" Superman.

I also don't mind a younger Superman, especially if they go for a more year one/Birthright approach, which Routh, look wise, would have been perfect for.

Nice find, gdw. :up:

[JAK®]

You are delusional. Go educate yourself about average height for men, by race and by country.5'9.5 for the US. But average does not mean common (or 'normal'). It means that the range of heights averages out to that number. Tall people exist. And people as tall as 6'3 aren't uncommon. And unless you're over 6'6 you won't draw much attention to yourself.

Never said that. Steroidman refers to DCU design, Sale, Quietly, McGuiness, Turner style of depiction.So how does that apply to a live action adaption?

You make it sound like I'm claiming strangers on the street will know CK is Superman because of his stature. This is only a problem with characters who know both CK and \S/, I assumed that was a given. Clearly not the case with you, you didn't get it so I'll repeat myself, this is only a problem with characters who know both CK and \S/.But why would they have any reason to link the two?

If Clark's co-workers who have met Superman, just take it at face value that the biggest guy in the office looks exactly like Superman, except for a pair of glasses and a slouch, then they suffer from intellectual disability.Well Clark isn't necessarily the biggest guy in the office. The Richard Hilliard character seen in the comics recently could claim that title. Stupid people take things at face value. Except people that are familiar with someone are more likely to take them for granted. And people, intelligent people, take so many things for granted. Is Lois stupid? Are Jimmy or Perry White stupid? Are you stupid? I know I'm not stupid, anymore. Superman is a joke for three reasons: Underwear, Ethics, Disguise. If WB wants to make him relevant to wider audiences, they need to address these issues or it's SR all over again.
SR didn't fail for those reasons. It failed because the film was boring.
Fans who think Superman is fine as is are blinded by nostalgia. I know I used to be too, for decades. I don't want Superman to be the training wheel superhero anymore, the first one fans grow out of. I want the guy from the Golden Age back.I've only been a fan for 5 years or so.

Ultimately the best reason to cast a 6' Superman, is it opens up the talent pool to draw from. Tall people are so rare, it's hard to find ones that can act well. If this weren't the case, Superman movies wouldn't be such a nightmare to cast.But tall people aren't rare. There are so many actors at 6'2 or over it isn't even funny.

[shieldshero]

Gyllenhaal's a solid dramatic actor. But he just isn't capable in the action department nor is he a box office draw.











Not capable in the action department?
Prince of Persia is a pretty poor film but if you watch the extras and see the kind of shape Gyllenhaal got into for the role, and how he was able to do a lot of the stunt work, and some pretty intricate fight scenes, I'd have to disagree about him not being capable of handling the action in a superman movie. . .

and box office draw? considering in the past superman has been an unknown. . . by comparison I think Jake could be classed as going with 'a known name'

I'm just not sure he has the look, definately got the acting chops though. . .

on that note, Hamm, Hammer, Wilson, Cav*** - could live with any of those in the role :cwink:. . . not supporting Gyllenhaal, haha

[SuperMike335!!]

Anywhoos, I don't wanna go round and round again, so we will just have to agree to disagree. Giant sized Clark is ok for you, not for me. I want Kent to slouch under 6', Superman stands slightly above it. I don't want Steroidman, I want Averageman, who might just be easier to relate too.

Superman is a joke for three reasons: Underwear, Ethics, Disguise. If WB wants to make him relevant to wider audiences, they need to address these issues or it's SR all over again.


That about sums up WHY I don't agree with you.

You have a problem with Superman's disguise, his stature, his ethics, and his costume.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Not that I buy the 35-40 information after Snyder openly said it would be the "early days of Superman," but if there had to be a 35-40 Superman, the only name actor in that age range that fits the bill is Michael Trucco.

http://www.allgeekthings.co.uk/images/stories/ramblings/michael-trucco_320.jpg

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Ca_Ce/Castle/season2/castle-132.jpg

He's 6'3. Has a good build for the role. Commanding presence. He expressed during the JL:M days that he'd want to play Superman. He has a strong look for the role IMO.

http://bogge.com/cache/thetvdb/episodes/83462/1966611.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Trucco+xHYXCDsFmHzm.jpg

I always thought this guy reminded me too much of Ray Park, but looking at these now, he looks great. Especially in that last shot. I might have to add him to my list after Hamm.

How's his voice though? Hamm's voice is perfect for Superman to me, deep and commanding.

[Karelia]

Wait, people DON'T want Superman to be tall and muscular? :dry:

*Slowly leaves thread until someone is casted*

[Eze]

5'9.5 for the US. But average does not mean common (or 'normal'). It means that the range of heights averages out to that number. Tall people exist. And people as tall as 6'3 aren't uncommon. And unless you're over 6'6 you won't draw much attention to yourself.

This is where I stopped reading Jak, you are delusional. You twist reality to rationalize your own subjective tastes. "Tall people exist", ffs, like I was claiming they didn"t? "And people as tall as 6'3 aren't uncommon", except they are uncommon enough to not bump the average height of males over 6' any where in the world except the Netherlands.

What are you hoping to accomplish Jak? Why can't we just agree to disagree? You want 6'4" and up, I want 6-6'1" max. You think giant Superman is awesome, I think giant Clark Kent is an eyesore. You want what has been done before, by Reeve (who will never be surpassed in performing that take on Superman) and I want something totally different, I want Superman to be the pulp fiction hero like he was in the Golden Age.

[Eddie Dean]

I have to admit Hammer has as very similar voice to Hamm.

[Eze]

Wait, people DON'T want Superman to be tall and muscular? :dry:

*Slowly leaves thread until someone is casted*

Ya, that's what were talking about...:whatever:

[Hobgoblin]

Lets discuss casting without name calling, ok?

[Hobgoblin]

As I just said, lets discuss things respectfully.

[SuperMike335!!]

OMG, you got to be kidding. You honestly think Superman has the same wide audience appeal that Batman, Iron Man, Wolverine, Thor, Green Lantern, or Spider-man, don't you?

The definition of Ignorance is Ignore.


In YOUR opinion he does not have the same appeal, but all I have seen lacking is a good superman movie, in a while.

There has been a TV show on for 10 years, an Animated series, current animated cartoons are still released, and the comic books still sell.

Do you have actual statistics showing the Superman comic book sales to be down so little, compared to ALL those other characters? Or did you just mean what you see people talking about in general?

Batman is ahead, but turning Superman into Averageman is not going to help anything.

[SuperMike335!!]

Wait, people DON'T want Superman to be tall and muscular? :dry:

*Slowly leaves thread until someone is casted*

Don't worry, I still think he should be tall and muscular.

** No don't leave. :csad: Come back! **

[Man of Tomorrow]

How's his voice though? Hamm's voice is perfect for Superman to me, deep and commanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNUzzJG5XIQ

[hopefuldreamer]

That about sums up WHY I don't agree with you.

You have a problem with Superman's disguise, his stature, his ethics, and his costume.

Exactly... I don't really understand why someone who dislikes everything core to the Superman story would even bother entering into the Superman casting thread...

Wait, people DON'T want Superman to be tall and muscular? :dry:

*Slowly leaves thread until someone is casted*

:awesome: I might have to joing you soon...

In YOUR opinion he does not have the same appeal, but all I have seen lacking is a good superman movie, in a while.

There has been a TV show on for 10 years, an Animated series, current animated cartoons are still released, and the comic books still sell.

Do you have actual statistics showing the Superman comic book sales to be down so little, compared to ALL those other characters? Or did you just mean what you see people talking about in general?

Batman is ahead, but turning Superman into Averageman is not going to help anything.

Exactly what I was asking myself... I think Superman is very much still at the top of DC's money makers. But if someone can prove this isn't so, then i'll except he has gone down in popularity.

[shieldshero]

I look at it this way,

Loved the last 2 Batman movies, can't wait for the 3rd, but I'm pretty sure I will love it for sure, and we already know half the cast at least. . .

But with Superman, not been a good movie in so long now thanks to Returns, my curiosity level, anticipation level for this new movie, through the roof, not to mention my curiosity level, (that's a lot of levels!)

I guess I'm saying as a nerd, anticipating superman on film again is more interesting because who knows what we’re gonna get?. . . or who :yay:

from a general admission pov, I can see how you would say Batman has the upper hand, considering the unbelievable success of TDK. . .

[JAK®]

This is where I stopped reading Jak, you are delusional. You twist reality to rationalize your own subjective tastes. "Tall people exist", ffs, like I was claiming they didn"t? "And people as tall as 6'3 aren't uncommon", except they are uncommon enough to not bump the average height of males over 6' any where in the world except the Netherlands.If you go to the Netherlands you will find a lot more 6'3 people than anywhere else. It is this phenomenon of having taller people appear more frequently in a population that bumps up average height. That's why the average there is 6'0, not because a lot of people there are 6'0 exactly.

The average of the entire world is 5'7. So you are right that 6'3 is rare on a worldwide scale, but in the western world which includes North America and Europe, people reach heights over 6'0 far more frequently, bumping the average to over 2 inches higher than the rest of the world in the US/UK, and even higher in some parts of Europe.

What are you hoping to accomplish Jak? Why can't we just agree to disagree? You want 6'4" and up, I want 6-6'1" max.6'4 and up? No, I want 6'3. I will also accept any actor over 6'1. You think giant Superman is awesome, I think giant Clark Kent is an eyesore.Except my entire point is that he is not giant, just big. Isn't that why you're getting so angry with me? That my standards of what constitutes a giant is higher than yours? You want what has been done before, by Reeve (who will never be surpassed in performing that take on Superman) and I want something totally different, I want Superman to be the pulp fiction hero like he was in the Golden Age.I don't even know what the height of an actor has to do with performance.

[Eze]

In YOUR opinion he does not have the same appeal, but all I have seen lacking is a good superman movie, in a while.

There has been a TV show on for 10 years, an Animated series, current animated cartoons are still released, and the comic books still sell.

Do you have actual statistics showing the Superman comic book sales to be down so little, compared to ALL those other characters? Or did you just mean what you see people talking about in general?

Batman is ahead, but turning Superman into Averageman is not going to help anything.

A T.V. show with no underwear, no costume, not much of a dual identity Blur is unrecognizable. No insult to our intelligence, no flimsy glasses. See how that show supports my argument?

Current animated movies, Lois knew all on her own in Superman/Doomsday. Or it's just Superman the whole movie with the Justice League. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse we see Kent again, shopping with his cousin, depicted as 6'4" 265 lbs. Ya that looked natural, nothing out of the ordinary there.

I'm not talking comic book sales, I'm talking general audience appeal. the people who like superhero movies, but think Superman is lame. All of your examples of Superman's popularity demonstrate a desire to play down the three fatal flaws that I pointed out to some degree.

Making Superman 6' ish is only going to help make the character more believable, because his Clark will be less obvious.

[Eze]

Exactly... I don't really understand why someone who dislikes everything core to the Superman story would even bother entering into the Superman casting thread...

I dislike everything core to the Modern Age interpretation of Superman. I love the Golden Age interpretation of Superman right up to the 1960s. I hear that Snyder is going mature with his lead so I might get my wish, so here I am.

I can't understand how fans don't know the differences between incarnations or how much the "core" has changed, and how it could change back. Seems like the fans are stuck in 1978.

[Man of Tomorrow]

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/13839/48_2007/chk_110_09.jpg

[AntMan]

As long as the actor is 6'0 I couldn't care less. I just don want a guy who will be 41 by the time the movie comes out and looks 45.

[Keyser Soze]

Lets discuss casting without name calling, ok?

Fine, DOODY-HEAD! :cmad:

[Keyser Soze]

As far as this whole question of "surely people would know Clark kent is Superman" goes, I like the theory Grant Morrison expressed at Comic-Con, that the Daily Planet all immediately figured out that Clark Kent is Superman, but play along with the ruse that it's a secret identity to humor him and not hurt his feelings. :)

[Sky Captain]

Not that I'm saying cast him (even though I love the crap out of him), has anybody else ever thought that Paul Rudd looks a lot like Superman?

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lanccySaNP1qd2epno1_500.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lahug5G6OJ1qc5lr5o1_500.png

I'm sure there's better pictures out there but I didn't feel like looking.

[Parker Wayne]

I'd cast him if it was Clark Kent only but if I had to imagine as Superman?

:lmao:

Even if he good, I'd remember that its Paul Rudd and would probably laugh. Plus he's 5'9

And this is coming from someone who loves Paul Rudd.

[Keyser Soze]

Paul Rudd's an interesting actor. In the 90s he tried to make a go at being a romantic/dramatic leading man, and it never really panned out for him. Then in the 00s he kinda found his calling in scene-stealing comedic supporting roles, and has since reinvented himself as a comedy leading man. I'm not sure if he'd really want to venture out of comedy again. And if he did end up in the Superman cast, that droll, witty, snarky edge of his would be a much better fit for Lex Luthor than Superman.

[Parker Wayne]

If he was younger, he would've been the perfect Jimmy Olsen.

[PreK]

I'm sure it can fool the general populace, but what about Lois Lane? Jimmy Olsen? People who spend time with Clark and Superman can't make the connection by just looking at the guy? Especially Lois, who is supposed to be "clever" can't figure it out? All she would have to do is snap a picture of Clark, remove the glasses and compare it to a pic of Superman.
And as I said, at best all that would be talked about in the offices is how much he looks like Supes. I'll expand on 'why' in a second.

Celebrities are not super-heroes. No one would think that Eminem (ugh) is secretly a vigilante, sure. But super-heroes tend to have secret identities. While Superman doesn't wear a mask, he is the most famous person in the world. People would surely theorize about his life and what kind of life he leads when he's not Superman. Especially people who work in a newspaper...Having a Superman look-alike who is never around when Superman does his stuff is just too distracting.

Saying "Oh you know what, he kinda looks like Superman, is a huge guy, and if you remove the glasses you pretty much have the same person. Yup, Clark is definitely not Superman. Oh silly me." doesn't cut it.

It's a cutesy gimmick, and that's it for me. Clark can use deameanor to sort of fool people but that alone is not enough. I don't know how it's going to be handled in the movie, but since Nolan is the master producer he will probably give some serious thought to this issue...Or just leave it alone. I'm fine with the disguse, it's classic stuff, but I can't take it seriously.Superheroes in the context of the comic book world, ARE the celebrities. In fact they are the ultimate celebrity. They're in the constant eye of the public, are revered, and are held to a greater (or at least abnormal) societal standing. It's absolutely logical to draw the parallels to our own world. Be it Eminem, Michael Jackson, Oprah, Angelina Jolie, or whomever, these names have a face to go with the fame. So even if we only have a glimpse at their private lives, we draw the conclusion that they may go about as "regular people", but in no way are they leading a whole different identity. The whole dual-persona trope is carried about by superheroes who are in hiding. When you have no mask then (conceivably) you are in plain sight. That is why you do not group Supes with the other heroes.

George Clooney hanging out on a yacht is still Clooney. Someone who looks exactly like Clooney giving me my change at the supermarket is some guy with lucky genes. People could rag on either one, multiple times about that resemblance. What are both gonna say? George will laugh it off and wonder why such a ridiculous question is being asked. Fake-George will brush it off and tell you he gets that question a lot. What then? Well, nothing. The investigation stops there. If both are seen by peers and friends as routinely carrying out regular lives on a daily basis, you have nothing to go on. It's a goose chase.

THAT is the crux. Both Clark and Supes need to be displayed as having complete, separate identities. The look is second priority. You're right, Lois and the rest of the DP should be the most keen on figuring it out. But not if they have no reason to be led on that path. If Supes only comes out 5 minutes each day to perform a rescue and Clark is there the rest of the day doing paperwork, ok there's something fishy. If Clark is hard at work as a reporter all day long and Supes is seen all over the world keeping occupied, the illusion is safe. NO ONE will bother to pick apart two seemingly active identities. It goes against all logic and reasoning. I challenge anyone to argue otherwise.

[SuperZer0]

Eion Bailey, who was considered for Batman Begins and James Bond, could be another candidate for Supes.

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[I Am The Knight]

And as I said, at best all that would be talked about in the offices is how much he looks like Supes. I'll expand on 'why' in a second.

Superheroes in the context of the comic book world, ARE the celebrities. In fact they are the ultimate celebrity. They're in the constant eye of the public, are revered, and are held to a greater (or at least abnormal) societal standing. It's absolutely logical to draw the parallels to our own world. Be it Eminem, Michael Jackson, Oprah, Angelina Jolie, or whomever, these names have a face to go with the fame. So even if we only have a glimpse at their private lives, we draw the conclusion that they may go about as "regular people", but in no way are they leading a whole different identity. The whole dual-persona trope is carried about by superheroes who are in hiding. When you have no mask then (conceivably) you are in plain sight. That is why you do not group Supes with the other heroes.


Celebrities do not have super-powers, so no one could theorize that they could pull off a "Clark". Celebrities/famous people cannot fly or run very fast. Also, they don't need to create a secret identity. Technically, they are beloved people who don't need to protect themselves or their loved ones like a superhero does. No Super-Villains are going to want to get revenge on them for foiling that bank robbery, etc. The media won't stalk them about political issues at their house at 3 AM, or go to their work to ask for the celebrity to save their cat. Celebrities need the standard stuff, and as such, can go on living their own life. Superman would be harrassed all the time.

When you have a God who can do all sorts of things, a lot of posibilities are left open. Just because he doesn't seems to have a secret identity does not mean he doesn't have one, or that someone wouldn't start wondering about these things. Someone like Lois, who is terribly infatuated with Superman...And spends all day with him....I mean, with Clark...

George Clooney hanging out on a yacht is still Clooney. Someone who looks exactly like Clooney giving me my change at the supermarket is some guy with lucky genes. People could rag on either one, multiple times about that resemblance. What are both gonna say? George will laugh it off and wonder why such a ridiculous question is being asked. Fake-George will brush it off and tell you he gets that question a lot. What then? Well, nothing. The investigation stops there. If both are seen by peers and friends as routinely carrying out regular lives on a daily basis, you have nothing to go on. It's a goose chase. Um, no it doesn't. It's one thing to have a resemblance to a famous person, which happens all the time. It's another to look exactly like such person, and have personal connections with the same people (namely, the Daily Planet staff) to boot. Also, Superman is an alien. He looks human, sure, but no one could possibly look like him without turning a few heads.

THAT is the crux. Both Clark and Supes need to be displayed as having complete, separate identities. The look is second priority. You're right, Lois and the rest of the DP should be the most keen on figuring it out. But not if they have no reason to be led on that path. If Supes only comes out 5 minutes each day to perform a rescue and Clark is there the rest of the day doing paperwork, ok there's something fishy. If Clark is hard at work as a reporter all day long and Supes is seen all over the world keeping occupied, the illusion is safe. NO ONE will bother to pick apart two seemingly active identities. It goes against all logic and reasoning. I challenge anyone to argue otherwise.

You keep on ignoring Lois and the rest of The Daily Planet gang's real importance. Clark and Superman hang around the same set of people all the time. Take the Lois/Clark/Superman love triangle. How could a person not tell the difference? Clark looks exactly like the alien Superman? Something fishy there!

The look is first priority because surely someone who isn't blind can tell they are the same guy. Also, no one has to "figure it out" right away. But if they start noticing things, then questions start being asked, and eventually someone will photoshop a picture of Clark, remove the glasses, and discover Superman. You're assuming that if both identities keep busy, no one will notice, but the people around Superman and Clark would notice, and unless he mind rapes them like in Superman II, the disguise is f***ed. Superman/Clark have the same friends/love interests. Not all of them are retarded. That is the problem. The rest of the world doesn't matters, but it only takes one person. Also, Lois, who is practically his press agent, could theorize that someone like Superman would be able to pull off a Clark and be in two places at the same time. She is just curious like that.

[Clarkman]

Not that I'm saying cast him (even though I love the crap out of him), has anybody else ever thought that Paul Rudd looks a lot like Superman?

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lanccySaNP1qd2epno1_500.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lahug5G6OJ1qc5lr5o1_500.png

I'm sure there's better pictures out there but I didn't feel like looking.

I see your point. But weirdly enough, I always thought that Paul Rudd looks like... Michael Rosenbaum.

[SuperMike335!!]

A T.V. show with no underwear, no costume, not much of a dual identity Blur is unrecognizable. No insult to our intelligence, no flimsy glasses. See how that show supports my argument?

Current animated movies, Lois knew all on her own in Superman/Doomsday. Or it's just Superman the whole movie with the Justice League. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse we see Kent again, shopping with his cousin, depicted as 6'4" 265 lbs. Ya that looked natural, nothing out of the ordinary there.

I'm not talking comic book sales, I'm talking general audience appeal. the people who like superhero movies, but think Superman is lame. All of your examples of Superman's popularity demonstrate a desire to play down the three fatal flaws that I pointed out to some degree.

Making Superman 6' ish is only going to help make the character more believable, because his Clark will be less obvious.

Straw man: debater attacks an argument that is easy to refute but which is also an argument that no one has made in the debate.

Nobody brought up saying he should look as huge as in an cartoon movie based on the way the late Michael Turner drew him.

Comic books and cartoons exaggerate proportions. Everybody knows that, and you know that I'm not suggesting he look like a competitive bodybuilder.

You still have not come up with any facts either on Superman's popularity and you claim I'm trying to avoid the "fatal flaws" in the popular character, while you base an argument on Hearsay.

Hearsay: debater cites something he heard but has not confirmed through his own personal observation or research from reliable sources

I do not see his stature, costume, ethics, or disguise as having giving the popularity of the character any of the problems you say he has, as "fatal flaws". Lack of popularity which you will not confirm with any actual statistics.

I dislike everything core to the Modern Age interpretation of Superman. I love the Golden Age interpretation of Superman right up to the 1960s. I hear that Snyder is going mature with his lead so I might get my wish, so here I am.

I can't understand how fans don't know the differences between incarnations or how much the "core" has changed, and how it could change back. Seems like the fans are stuck in 1978.

Well, this is the casting thread.

How about making a casting suggestion, and take the Golden vs. Silver vs. Modern age to another thread? The subject has hijacked this one long enough.

The actors I like for the role are:

Ryan McPartlin

Michael Trucco

Joe Manganiello

Armie Hammer

Patrick Wilson

[echostation]

Bobby Carsons should be considered once again. Being cheated out of Piotr Parker wasn't much fun that Raimi back stabber.

What about Jon Seda?

[AntMan]

What about Daniel Goddard for an older Superman? He's 6'2, 39, and has a good look.

[PreK]

Celebrities do not have super-powers, so no one could theorize that they could pull off a "Clark". Celebrities/famous people cannot fly or run very fast. Also, they don't need to create a secret identity. Technically, they are beloved people who don't need to protect themselves or their loved ones like a superhero does. No Super-Villains are going to want to get revenge on them for foiling that bank robbery, etc. The media won't stalk them about political issues at their house at 3 AM, or go to their work to ask for the celebrity to save their cat. Celebrities need the standard stuff, and as such, can go on living their own life. Superman would be harrassed all the time.

When you have a God who can do all sorts of things, a lot of posibilities are left open. Just because he doesn't seems to have a secret identity does not mean he doesn't have one, or that someone wouldn't start wondering about these things. Someone like Lois, who is terribly infatuated with Superman...And spends all day with him....I mean, with Clark...
I don't think you seem to care that Superman is mask-less. It sounds like it doesn't even matter to this discussion. When I've made a point that it's a huge component to the disguise, you can see why on a fundamental level it's impossible for us to debate this properly. You've made good points on what comes with the superhero territory, but you've yet to actually make a solid connection towards the secret identity.

I'm curious to your position on that because it only applies to those who are in hiding. I don't know how to make it any clearer. There has to be a spark, a starting point, for this assumption to grow into a theory of dual lives. "He's a superhero" or "Clark looks like him" isn't sufficient. Supes cannot be any more public than he already is. His sensibilities as a public figure CLASH with the inherent foundations of a secret identity. I want concrete info that disputes this.

Um, no it doesn't. It's one thing to have a resemblance to a famous person, which happens all the time. It's another to look exactly like such person, and have personal connections with the same people (namely, the Daily Planet staff) to boot. Also, Superman is an alien. He looks human, sure, but no one could possibly look like him without turning a few heads.

You keep on ignoring Lois and the rest of The Daily Planet gang's real importance. Clark and Superman hang around the same set of people all the time. Take the Lois/Clark/Superman love triangle. How could a person not tell the difference? Clark looks exactly like the alien Superman? Something fishy there!

The look is first priority because surely someone who isn't blind can tell they are the same guy. Also, no one has to "figure it out" right away. But if they start noticing things, then questions start being asked, and eventually someone will photoshop a picture of Clark, remove the glasses, and discover Superman. You're assuming that if both identities keep busy, no one will notice, but the people around Superman and Clark would notice, and unless he mind rapes them like in Superman II, the disguise is f***ed. Superman/Clark have the same friends/love interests. Not all of them are retarded. That is the problem. The rest of the world doesn't matters, but it only takes one person. Also, Lois, who is practically his press agent, could theorize that someone like Superman would be able to pull off a Clark and be in two places at the same time. She is just curious like that.I've addressed this twice already. I never said they wouldn't notice. I very clearly stated they would, but it's to the extent of where they take that curiosity that is to be debated. For argument's sake, I want to give you a hypothetical scenario. Have your pick at any famous figure today. If they were to enter your life in a significant way with a different name and under the guise of a completely normal person, after spending continuous time with them would you not accept them as simply being 'normal'? There comes a time when suspicion of them as a celebrity-in-disguise ceases to exist.

Recognition is undeniable. But interpersonal relationships have a certain threshold until you just see things for what they (seemingly) are, or at least what you perceive it to be. You've brought up proximity us some unspoken truth on the matter when decades of research in the social psychology field has actually supported the opposite. Having a vested interest with anyone automatically predisposes you to "blindness" in facets of character. If you don't believe me you are free to read up on the vast amount of research material on cognitive biases.

Lois Lane and the Daily Planet staff being completely oblivious to Clark may be a running gag, but this is easy to say when we're the ones outside the box looking in. Truth is their 'ignorance' and behavior very closely mirror that of ours in ways most don't even recognize. Now that's ironic.

[Strider14]

Does it really matter if Lois and Jimmy don't recognize Clark as Superman even though they should? It is a comic book. We are supposed to suspend our normal rationale of what is believable and have fun reading the comics or watching the movie without reading into all the possible things that aren't believable. The whole thing isn't technically "believable", so why worry about one component like this? Since I first became a Superman years ago, I never understood why those that were close to Clark couldn't see that he was Superman, but it didn't matter. I knew it was just a comic book and fiction, so I suspended my normal rationale and belief meter and just enjoyed it for what it is. I do the same today. My sympathy goes out to those who are getting all bent out of shape over this.

...and as those that know me here know...a shorter Superman don't cut it with me. That would be more unbelievable than the physically imposing Superman that we are used to seeing in every medium. I am 6'1" and 220 lbs. and I see guys bigger than me every day. Even though they may not be "average" they certainly aren't uncommon. I couldn't even fathom Superman being a smaller guy than I am. THAT is unbelievable based on the way Superman has been depicted for years.

[PreK]

Does it really matter if Lois and Jimmy don't recognize Clark as Superman even though they should? It is a comic book.
I know you meant well with this, but I personally think this line of logic is a slap in the face to the genre. "It's a comic book" is a mentality that holds back the medium from being taken seriously. Throwing the rulebook completely out the window with flimsy reasoning such as that should be reserved for lower works of 'art', if that.

I like my stories to have thought being put into them and not rely on the bounds of fantasy to carry suspension of disbelief. It should never be restricting of course, but using it as a crutch is a no-no as well.

[DCnightwing23]

Guys again this is Nolan and Goyer we are taking about, you know the people that made a guy dressed as a bat seem pretty bad realistic, so i wouldnt worry too much on how they handle handle the whole recognizing clark thing.

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think you seem to care that Superman is mask-less. It sounds like it doesn't even matter to this discussion. When I've made a point that it's a huge component to the disguise, you can see why on a fundamental level it's impossible for us to debate this properly. You've made good points on what comes with the superhero territory, but you've yet to actually make a solid connection towards the secret identity.

I'm curious to your position on that because it only applies to those who are in hiding. I don't know how to make it any clearer. There has to be a spark, a starting point, for this assumption to grow into a theory of dual lives. "He's a superhero" or "Clark looks like him" isn't sufficient. Supes cannot be any more public than he already is. His sensibilities as a public figure CLASH with the inherent foundations of a secret identity. I want concrete info that disputes this.

I understand the importance of the mask-less deal, and why Batman thought it was a brilliant idea. No one at first would assume that Superman has a secret identity. Why would they, right? However, the "spark" that ignites the curiosity, obviously, is Clark. It's not that he looks like someone else who is famous. He looks exactly like someone who is a unique being, an alien. The last one of it's kind. The people around this Clark individual, who also happen to interact with Superman, could not certainly look past that. It's because of the fact that Superman is so public that the people around him (not the entire world, who knows nothing about Kent) can make a connection, if not entirely figure out what's really going on. I'm not sure what kind of "concrete info" on this you want, since we are talking about a fictional character in a fictional universe where everyone magically ignores the obvious. I would like you to address the "alien" issue, though.

Speaking of aliens, Superman could use some shapeshifting abilities, ala J'onn and his disguise.

I've addressed this twice already. I never said they wouldn't notice. I very clearly stated they would, but it's to the extent of where they take that curiosity that is to be debated. For argument's sake, I want to give you a hypothetical scenario. Have your pick at any famous figure today. If they were to enter your life in a significant way with a different name and under the guise of a completely normal person, after spending continuous time with them would you not accept them as simply being 'normal'? There comes a time when suspicion of them as a celebrity-in-disguise ceases to exist. I know you did, but you seem to downplay that curiosity.

I'm not sure I'm reading your scenario right. Do I already know they are the celebrity? How different would they be from the celebrity persona?

But how could someone look like Superman? I could be fooled by a famous person posing as a regular joe, but if I know that Superman is an alien and a unique being how can I not continiously remind myself of that? Especially considering the poor disguise he chooses. He might act differently, but I know better.

Recognition is undeniable. But interpersonal relationships have a certain threshold until you just see things for what they (seemingly) are, or at least what you perceive it to be. You've brought up proximity us some unspoken truth on the matter when decades of research in the social psychology field has actually supported the opposite. Having a vested interest with anyone automatically predisposes you to "blindness" in facets of character. If you don't believe me you are free to read up on the vast amount of research material on cognitive biases. Cognitive bias can go a long way, but certainly not everyone is biased in the same way regarding one person. The problem is that a number of people who know Superman also know Clark. I could buy Lois having some kind of bias that blinds her to the truth due to a Super infatuation, but what about everyone else in the office? We are assuming these characters are people here, we are not taking them for granted right?

Lois Lane and the Daily Planet staff being completely oblivious to Clark may be a running gag, but this is easy to say when we're the ones outside the box looking in. Truth is their 'ignorance' and behavior very closely mirror that of ours in ways most don't even recognize. Now that's ironic.In what ways? And how does this apply to "Human who looks like an alien Clark's/Unique Alien Superman's" social circle scenario in "real life"?

[PreK]

I understand the importance of the mask-less deal, and why Batman thought it was a brilliant idea. No one at first would assume that Superman has a secret identity. Why would they, right? However, the "spark" that ignites the curiosity, obviously, is Clark. It's not that he looks like someone else who is famous. He looks exactly like someone is a unique being, an alien. The last one of it's kind. The people around this Clark individual, who also happen to interact with Superman, could not certainly look past that. It's because of the fact that Superman is so public that the people around him (not the entire world, who knows nothing about Kent) can make a connection, if not entirely figure out what's really going on. I'm not sure what kind of "concrete info" on this you want, since we are talking about a fictional character in a fictional universe where everyone magically ignores the obvious. I would like you to address the "alien" issue, though.
I'm not understanding the significance of his alien origins. I was under the assumption we were strictly discussing the physical characteristics. For all intents and purposes, no one would think twice that Clark is human. Ideally speaking he'd be tall, strongly built, and perfectly chiseled. However that's where the deviance ends. Perhaps you can clarify on its relevance here?

The concrete info I'm referring to is simply a semblance of normative human behavior. I realize this is a fictional universe, but it's not difficult to make strong parallels between their world and ours. All these characters are written by and based off 'us' after all.

I'm not sure I'm reading your scenario right. Do I already know they are the celebrity? How different would they be from the celebrity persona?
No, you wouldn't know they are the celebrity. As far as you were concerned you just ran into someone who looked like one and you became friends. Persona-wise neither this friend or the celeb persona is anything too extravagant. They are both average folk. I'm sure during the onset of your meetings you'd be curious, but after a time you'd be used to their presence, no? Surely the inkling of "I'm hanging out with a megastar in disguise!" would dissipate.

But how could someone look like Superman? I could be fooled by a famous person posing as a regular joe, but if I know that Superman is an alien and a unique being how can I not continiously remind myself of that? Especially considering the poor disguise he chooses. He might act differently, but I know better.
But Superman doesn't look alien. And Clark certainly doesn't act like one. If this were such an obvious factor the disguise wouldn't work in any fashion. Aside from the whole 'looking like Supes' thing, Clark is supposed to be able to walk among us with ease. Isn't the very fact that we can cast any actor for the part, without special prosthetic or enhancements, prove the extraterrestial origins are a non-issue in this respect?

Cognitive bias only goes a long way, and certainly not everyone is biased in the same way regarding one person. The problem is that a number of people who know Superman also know Clark. I could buy Lois having some kind of bias that blinds her to the truth due to a Super infatuation, but what about everyone else in the office? We are assuming these characters are people here, we are not taking them for granted right?

In what ways? And how does this apply to Human who looks like an alien Clark's/Unique Alien Superman's social circle scenario in "real life"?
Cognitive bias goes a long way in explaining everything we've discussed so far. I don't want to turn this into a lecture, so it'd be a lot easier to pinpoint the flaws or gapes in this phenomena rather than me listing all the boxes that fit an explanation. In its most broadest coverage, we have proven time and time again to have a blind/ignorant eye. Have you turned on a tv where a reporter interviews locals about a recent murder or crime, and you wonder how they were committed in the first place? Rapes and kidnappings go on in broad daylight, murderers and pedophiles go on for years living in communities serving as righteous citizens. No one is any the wiser.

How many times have you heard the phrases:

"I can't believe they did this!"
"That's not the person I know"
"He/She seemed like such a good-hearted person"

Unfortunately these usually come from the closest people to the violator. Hindsight is 20/20. Shoulda-woulda-coulda, but no one saw the signs. Even the most absolute glaring. Things just pass by our faces every moment of every day. We're not perfect, we can't be highly aware of all the sensory information around us. It's human nature. I don't need to look to fantasy to witness such obvious blunders. It's right here in the real world. Why is it unfathomable for our fictional characters to be the same?

[SuperMike335!!]

Recognition is undeniable. But interpersonal relationships have a certain threshold until you just see things for what they (seemingly) are, or at least what you perceive it to be. You've brought up proximity us some unspoken truth on the matter when decades of research in the social psychology field has actually supported the opposite. Having a vested interest with anyone automatically predisposes you to "blindness" in facets of character. If you don't believe me you are free to read up on the vast amount of research material on cognitive biases.

Lois Lane and the Daily Planet staff being completely oblivious to Clark may be a running gag, but this is easy to say when we're the ones outside the box looking in. Truth is their 'ignorance' and behavior very closely mirror that of ours in ways most don't even recognize. Now that's ironic.

You do make an interesting point, about people outside the box looking in. (sorry this is going to lead me into a rant, but what you said kind of leads me into it)

As far as casting goes, I really think having a guy who looks "super", as in having tall height and build is not insulting anybody’s intelligence anything more than things like his glasses as a disguise and recognizable facial features.

At least not more-so than anything else we suspend disbelief for.
As you have shown, there are some well thought out reasons for his disguise to work. Even if there is always a counter logic, that says that is unrealistic, your reasons are decent enough examples to use in putting aside the obvious. At least enough to just sit back and be entertained in a movie about a comic book character who is akin to modern mythic demigod.

I mean we could pick apart our perceptions about real human behavior all day, to how all the other reporters at the Daily Planet would relate to Clark’s disguise, but then we are not really being realistic in our view of a modern day newspaper in the first place. Some people have some constant need to try to make a fictional concept all of the sudden need "realism". I think to some of them "realism" is a religion.

The point is there is TONS of unrealistic things everywhere you look in the world of Super Heroes. That does NOT mean that we cannot just sit back and enjoy the escapist, fantasy fiction, that Superman has always been.
The whole image of the giant tower, with an upper floor of the best reporters on earth, all gathered around open desks surrounded with big windows into metropolis skyline, where they all spend a good portion of their day making stories out of the notes they have taken = bogus.

Sorry guys, that just is not how most reporters in the modern world spend their day. That description is iconic to Superman media, but it is not how things are anymore. Many journalists, writers, and even editors never step foot in the office anymore. They write from home, its gets edited in a home office, and is only sent to the printing office, to be printed. Sure they may meet, now and then, but many writers in the same newspaper and even magazines have never met each other in person.

The staggering majority of news does NOT even come from newspapers anymore. More and more people check news online these days compared to even watching TV news. The old forms of media are quickly dying in the face of the internet.

Reporters hardly live the lifestyles of what we think of as Clark Kent’s, or Lois Lane’s anymore – if they ever did. I still will look at newspapers now an then, and what is funny, is that no matter what part of the country you are in, unless it’s the local news, all the national news is exactly the same.

You don’t read stories about or from reporters who are "uncovering" any real mystery, and they are hardly detectives. You don’t even see a blistering expose on a bad guy billionaire who had an otherwise clean public image anymore – and they don’t kill you like Lex Luthor if you mess with them, you just find yourself out of a job, and the story never made print – not that anyone read it if you did, as it sure would have been online before it got "printed".

Think I’m making this up? When was the last time you got news about the upcoming Superman reboot in the newspaper? Or at least got it there before finding it online first?

Many newspapers are dying. Heck, Clark would likely have to be filling out job applications, as soon he’s going to be out of a job, not for any wrongdoing on his part. Just the evolution of media.

Q: What is black and white and totally over?

A: Newspapers.

For the most part modern newspapers are a re-hash of political debates, and a re-hash of things you already read about 3 days ago online, and saw yesterday on TV, and this morning on your car radio on the way to work – if you even still use the radio in your car for anything other than mp3’s you downloaded online.

So, in light of all that, I STILL can enjoy Superman and Clark as a disguise in the comics, animated movies, and even a live action movie. I can STILL enjoy the world he exists in. The Daily Planet office has grown into a mythic environment that he exists in is unrealistic.

I’m just not going to get bent out of shape on realism of standing out with his height, build, facial features, "the glasses as a disguise", or the "no mask disguise". Especially in light this disguise is meant for his entire world that is also a Myth.

I don’t even believe it would be business as usual if we had an Alien Demigod living on earth in the first place. Even as Superman he is not going to just be flying around saving people, defeating SuperVillains and all the while everything else on earth would keep chugging along like normal.

Like it or not, with that kind of power, his mere presence make the earth stand still and rethink our entire place in the universe. Not to mention a complete scientific re-examination of all known laws about physics, to where humanity fits in, in the universe.

Alan Moore to his credit confronted some of this in the Watchmen. Even he may not have got it perfectly realistic, but its hard to say exactly what would happen if such powerful beings existed. For Superman it may be even more odd, as his mere existence is proof of life on other worlds. His looking human would cause a complete re-examination of human history, and open the doors to possible alien involvement in our own.

Whatever the reaction would be, I believe his mere presence would cause a reaction in a realistic world far beyond what is shown in the comics, and that what we see about the world he exists in mirroring our own so much, after his presence is known, to be unrealistic in and of itself. – So I’m not going to get bent out of shape on things like the costume he wears or even his code of ethics, if the very world he exists in is a myth.

I can see why Nolan wanted Batman to be as realistic as he could. Batman is a hero without powers, so that easily lends itself to all sorts of realism. You could STILL find things that are obviously unrealistic if you looked however.

Superman who is an Alien, who looks human, has powers than would make people mistake him for a god, and is allergic to little green rocks. That is why I'm not so concerned about realism for Superman. It is fantasy escapist fiction.

BACK to the subject of casting, if anyone read all that, I’m only interested in seeing a guy be cast who has the stature, build, look, and acting talent to pull off what I think of as an accurate Superman. Accurate to the comics and other media in a live action movie. - realism has very little to do with it.

[SuperMike335!!]

Cognitive bias goes a long way in explaining everything we've discussed so far. I don't want to turn this into a lecture, so it'd be a lot easier to pinpoint the flaws or gapes in this phenomena rather than me listing all the boxes that fit an explanation. In its most broadest coverage, we have proven time and time again to have a blind/ignorant eye. Have you turned on a tv where a reporter interviews locals about a recent murder or crime, and you wonder how they were committed in the first place? Rapes and kidnappings go on in broad daylight, murderers and pedophiles go on for years living in communities serving as righteous citizens. No one is any the wiser.

How many times have you heard the phrases:

"I can't believe they did this!"
"That's not the person I know"
"He/She seemed like such a good-hearted person"

Unfortunately these usually come from the closest people to the violator. Hindsight is 20/20. Shoulda-woulda-coulda, but no one saw the signs. Even the most absolute glaring. Things just pass by our faces every moment of every day. We're not perfect, we can't be highly aware of all the sensory information around us. It's human nature. I don't need to look to fantasy to witness such obvious blunders. It's right here in the real world. Why is it unfathomable for our fictional characters to be the same?

While I did just go on a rant about realism not being so much an issue, this is none the less a very good point.

[I Am The Knight]

Sorry guys, that just is not how most reporters in the modern world spend their day. That description is iconic to Superman media, but it is not how things are anymore. Many journalists, writers, and even editors never step foot in the office anymore. They write from home, its gets edited in a home office, and is only sent to the printing office, to be printed. Sure they may meet, now and then, but many writers in the same newspaper and even magazines have never met each other in person.

That was quite a rant. OK, this is what happens in real life. But the Super-Scenario at hand here has Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Perry White interacting with both Clark and Superman all the time. At least the first two. If you have Lois and Clark never meet, that works to disguise the identity, but you lose the classic character dynamics. The movie will most likely follow the comics and the movies in their depiction of the characters, and from that point on, the disguise discussion begins for me. I'm taking the classic setting for granted, but discussing the disguise in a "realistic manner" just for argument's sake. And also because Nolan, while working on this movie, might consider some of these things along with Snyder. And I'm curious about what their approach would be.

I'm not understanding the significance of his alien origins. I was under the assumption we were strictly discussing the physical characteristics. For all intents and purposes, no one would think twice that Clark is human. Ideally speaking he'd be tall, strongly built, and perfectly chiseled. However that's where the deviance ends. Perhaps you can clarify on its relevance here?

I thought this was pretty obvious. The alien thing is important because genetically speaking, no one on Earth could look like Superman. If someone did, that would set all kinds of alarms off. He is a unique being from another world. We think Clark is human because he looks human. But we know Superman is an alien. If the people at the office accept that and just dismiss it, they have to accept a sort of Earth-Krypton gene correlation. Now, I'm not an expert on "aliens" or genes for that matter, but surely a supposed human looking like an alien would raise a lot of questions not only about a possible dual idenity, but the Earth's origins.

The concrete info I'm referring to is simply a semblance of normative human behavior. I realize this is a fictional universe, but it's not difficult to make strong parallels between their world and ours. All these characters are written by and based off 'us' after all. They might be based on us, but apparently they are stuck in a naive mindframe that most real people (outside of gullible children) have grown out of.

No, you wouldn't know they are the celebrity. As far as you were concerned you just ran into someone who looked like one and you became friends. Persona-wise neither this friend or the celeb persona is anything too extravagant. They are both average folk. I'm sure during the onset of your meetings you'd be curious, but after a time you'd be used to their presence, no? Surely the inkling of "I'm hanging out with a megastar in disguise!" would dissipate.

But Superman doesn't look alien. And Clark certainly doesn't act like one. If this were such an obvious factor the disguise wouldn't work in any fashion.
But it doesn't fully the work. The fact that we're having this discussion and that a lot of people think the disguise is ridiculous but accepts it because it's classic certainly indicates that.

Aside from the whole 'looking like Supes' thing, Clark is supposed to be able to walk among us with ease. Why? That's what the writers in their magical universe say. That wouldn't fly in real life. Since you like the celeb example so much, let's get back to that. Imagine Clark walking down the street to buy a burrito. You think no one would notice the resemblance? You've said Superman is a very public person, and he is, a celebrity, so why wouldn't anyone in Metropolis (not to mention the Daily Planet staff) wonder what's going on with this crazy man? With a piss poor disguise as a pair of glasses, he couldn't go anywhere without turning heads, especially since he has the same build and height as The Man of Steel. In a celebrity obsessed culture as ours, people would spot him on the fly. They wouldn't think "Oh, there goes another perfectly average, ordinary man". They would think "Oh, there goes Superman wearing a pair of glasses. Wait".

Unless Clark becomes a recluse, reports of a Superman look-alike would eventually flood the Daily Planet. Now imagine Lois reading that and then turning to see Clark eating a burrito.

Isn't the very fact that we can cast any actor for the part, without special prosthetic or enhancements, prove the extraterrestial origins are a non-issue in this respect?Not really. That's not the issue. He is a thing from another world. The fact that someone (Kent) looks exactly like him is f***ed up and would set off all kinds of alarms as to who he is and as to what we think we are as a species. He doesn't look "alien" but he *is* alien. And someone looks just like him, someone who is supposed to be human. That raises a hell of a lot of questions about a lot of things.

Cognitive bias goes a long way in explaining everything we've discussed so far. I don't want to turn this into a lecture, so it'd be a lot easier to pinpoint the flaws or gapes in this phenomena rather than me listing all the boxes that fit an explanation. In its most broadest coverage, we have proven time and time again to have a blind/ignorant eye. Have you turned on a tv where a reporter interviews locals about a recent murder or crime, and you wonder how they were committed in the first place? Rapes and kidnappings go on in broad daylight, murderers and pedophiles go on for years living in communities serving as righteous citizens. No one is any the wiser.

How many times have you heard the phrases:

"I can't believe they did this!"
"That's not the person I know"
"He/She seemed like such a good-hearted person"

Unfortunately these usually come from the closest people to the violator. Hindsight is 20/20. Shoulda-woulda-coulda, but no one saw the signs. Even the most absolute glaring. Things just pass by our faces every moment of every day. We're not perfect, we can't be highly aware of all the sensory information around us. It's human nature. I don't need to look to fantasy to witness such obvious blunders. It's right here in the real world. Why is it unfathomable for our fictional characters to be the same?Sensory discrimination is one thing, the Superman thing is another. "He was secretly a rapist" is not the same as "He looks like Superman". We don't know someone is/can be a rapist, because we can't read minds/interpret/understand everything about someone, but we can surely see and understand the concept of two people looking exactly a-like to the point of being twins, a human looking like an alien who is supposed to be unique, and why this would seem off, and why someone would be curious about it.

Also, again, Lois could ignore all the signs due to her Super infatuation (and personally I believe this is a stretch), but she's not the only one who knows Superman and Clark. A more distant, curious observer could make the connection. We could even go back to the photoshop example. Say Jimmy, like in SR, snaps a picture of Clark. He obviously has taken pictures of Superman. Playfully he removes Clark's glasses to make one of those "X person in X celebrity" manips and inserts Clark's head on top of Superman's body. Whoops.

[elgaz]

I can't believe there's this level of discussion going on about how the people populating the Superman universe don't get that he and Clark Kent are one and the same.

Guys, as much as we can inject doses of Nolan-style realism into the films, these are always going to be pieces of fiction - and as with any piece of fiction, you sometimes have to suspend your disbelief.

In a real world scenario, Clark Kent would likely have been exposed as an alien (or a least as being different from everyone else) a long, long time ago.

When he was playing with other children, long before he developed supreme control of his powers, someone would have noticed what he's capable of.

At some point in time, for some reason, his school/family doctor/friends/etc would surely have noticed he's never sick, never given a blood sample, never had an injury, etc.

At some point in time, someone - somewhere - would have questioned how the Kents 'adopted' him - surely a birth certificate would have been required at some point in Clark's youth to enrol him in certain things?

And of course, in the setting of the Daily Planet office, it's ridiculous to think that not one of those hundreds of curious, investigative nosey reporters would ever have looked at Clark Kent and twigged that he has an uncanny likeness to Superman.

But as I said, this is a comic book hero. And we have to suspend disbelief and accept that no-one in the DC universe spots the obvious.

Now if you really had to have some believable explanation as to why no-one realises that Clark = Superman, I've always felt the best way to do it is with 2 methods together. The first is the commonly used one - that Clark has developed a demeanour, look and stance which is so utterly different from Superman's that it never occurs to anyone to even suspect he could be the world's greatest superhero. Droop his shoulders, stoop, hang his head low, shuffle instead of walking with poise and authority, wear glasses, change the hairstyle, wear contacts to change the eye colour, wear loose fitting clothes to disguise the build, raise his voice slightly, change his speech pattern, etc.

And the second method is to employ the services of one of his close comrades, Martian Manhunter - if he can shapeshift into either Clark or Superman (with a few changes to height and demeanour to further exaggerate the effect) and have the two appear together just once, that would be enough for people to accept that Clark and Superman simply resemble each other and nothing more.

[Last Kryptonian]

That's just echo being echo, dude. I guess you haven't been here long enough to notice that he's The Hype's resident Indiawood nut.


Yeah I've not been around here much so I didn't know.

[Eze]

elgaz, if I may clarify, we all agree with your point...

to have some believable explanation as to why no-one realises that Clark = Superman, I've always felt the best way to do it is with 2 methods together. The first is the commonly used one - that Clark has developed a demeanour, look and stance which is so utterly different from Superman's that it never occurs to anyone to even suspect he could be the world's greatest superhero. Droop his shoulders, stoop, hang his head low, shuffle instead of walking with poise and authority, wear glasses, change the hairstyle, wear contacts to change the eye colour, wear loose fitting clothes to disguise the build, raise his voice slightly, change his speech pattern, etc.

The point of contention is whether or not this will still be effective with a 6'4" Clark who dwarfs everyone else in the room, as opposed to a 6' ish Clark who could slouch down closer to average height.

[daywalker2007]

Wow, that made for awkward reading. It may not have been your intent, but I think it would be very easy to read this post as a little bit Anti-Semetic.

Either you have a weak understanding of the English language or can't understand basic sentences, but there is nothing in that sentence that is Anti Semitic, absolutely nothing. Where you got that view from is mind boggling.

"Prince of Persia was IMHO a flop. To his credit, Jake does look like the President of the country that once was Persia."

There is absolutely nothing anti semetic about that. Its more comedic than anything remotely offensive. Some people seriously need to stop stirring stuff up around here.

There's no need for it.

[Maze]

I have met several time people who amazingly looked alike totally another person. Exept that mannerism, behavior, clothes, style, were not the same at all... I have photografic memory and i recall one time had to check several times to be sure.. the person was annoyed :D to this day, i still am troubled, by the ressemblance..

Ps:

They may be the same person, i mean they are, then againn..:huh: :huh: :woot: :cwink:

http://www.ugo.com/therush/images/character_studies/jack-burton-191/image.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:piw7z-6lgX7zOM:http://www.everythingaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack_burton.jpg&t=1


http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/bigtrouble44_64422.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2063194857_a7b19cc114.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Either you have a weak understanding of the English language or can't understand basic sentences, but there is nothing in that sentence that is Anti Semitic, absolutely nothing. Where you got that view from is mind boggling.

"Prince of Persia was IMHO a flop. To his credit, Jake does look like the President of the country that once was Persia."

There is absolutely nothing anti semetic about that. Its more comedic than anything remotely offensive. Some people seriously need to stop stirring stuff up around here.

There's no need for it.

I in fact do need to accept the mistake here. I never even really noticed the Persia line you quoted. The problem was I mistook Ahmadinejad as the President of Israel rather than the President of Iran, and - as I didn't see the resemblance between him and Gyllenhaal - I thought SuperMike was making a joke about Jake Gyllenhaal looking Jewish and therefore being unfit to be playing a character like Superman.

I realised my mistake this morning, and was coming back onto this thread to edit my post if no one had replied to it, and apologise if anyone had. Even when I wrote the reply I didn't think there was any malicious intent behind SuperMike's post - as I said in my reply - but was warning him in case anyone construed it that way.

But anyway, my bad. A quick look at Wiki before making a reply would have saved any trouble. Apologies again to Supermike.

[Steve Holt]

this is a casting thread right?

[GinsterHead]

this is a casting thread right?

I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE! :waa:

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, let's get back on track...

JAMES GANDOLFINI FOR SUPERMAN!

[GreenKToo]

And therein lies the problem with the world, P.C. gone crazy. People are so busy trying to look for wrongs that they don't see the rights.

Anywho, Drew Carey for supes dammit!!;)

[I Am The Knight]

LOL, I am sorry about the thread hijacking. I would be happy to have a mod (C. Lee, I'm sure) move the back and forth to another thread if it's really that offensive (like the Superman storyline one) so we can all get to back to discussing how Jon Hamm is NOT going to play Superman :o

[Steve Holt]

Matthew Bomer for Superman

[SuperMike335!!]

That was quite a rant. OK, this is what happens in real life. But the Super-Scenario at hand here has Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Perry White interacting with both Clark and Superman all the time. At least the first two. If you have Lois and Clark never meet, that works to disguise the identity, but you lose the classic character dynamics. The movie will most likely follow the comics and the movies in their depiction of the characters, and from that point on, the disguise discussion begins for me. I'm taking the classic setting for granted, but discussing the disguise in a "realistic manner" just for argument's sake. And also because Nolan, while working on this movie, might consider some of these things along with Snyder. And I'm curious about what their approach would be.


Agreed.

I certainly want to see the classic character dynamics with Clark, Jimmy, Lois and so on.

It is fantasy after all, and if we were to do away with everything unrealistic, we would be doing away with so much that we would not recognize the character.

I would prefer that Snyder and Nolan go for a "realistic" attempt at showing the character interaction too, enough that we can suspend disbelief and enjoy the film.

I just don't think they need to go to extremes like avoiding casting a guy around 6'4", because tall Clark is soooo "unrealistic". To me that would just be silly to be so concerned with that when his face is still exposed, with nothing but glasses, and existing in a fictional environment. That and regardless of Clark's true stature Superman would still seem a lot taller than him anyway.

Being this is fantasy, and I see Superman akin to a modern Apollo, I prefer he look god-like, or Demi-god like. I like to be able to imagine myself "looking up to" my hero, literally.

Heck, I'd still except and actor who is 6'1", no issues there. I just don't want them to avoid casting an actor who is around 6'4" if they have one who can act and has a good look, in the name of "realism".


And of course, in the setting of the Daily Planet office, it's ridiculous to think that not one of those hundreds of curious, investigative nosey reporters would ever have looked at Clark Kent and twigged that he has an uncanny likeness to Superman.


Also Agreed.

I'm sure it would get noticed. They may not believe him to be Superman, at first, as likely they would have some exaggerated idea of Superman in their minds, the impression he leaves on people. I think at the least some would say he has a good "look - alike" face.

Then eventually curiosity would get to one of them, and they would start to tail him, eventually figure it out.

I'll just suspend my disbelief for it anyway, like I do with everything else there.

After all the setting of the Daily Planet office with hundreds of curious, investigative nosey reporters hanging out there is unrealistic in the first place.

[Project862006]

we may get a big name but it may be a guy we are not thinking about

no one thought of Chris Evans and Ryan Reynolds for Hal Jordan and Steve Rogers

but once we saw them it all made sense

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It makes sense to me but some people are still whinning about them.

Anyway, if they are going for young again, I'm really liking Hammer for the role. He has a great voice and is tall and handsome and was really good in my number two movie of the year so far.

[SuperMike335!!]

Made a quick manip of Ryan McPartlin with black hair and eyebrows.

Gives a general idea, but I did not have much time to work on it.

He is my top pick for the role at this time.

Athletic shape, charismatic, and has a solid deep voice.

He sounds very Superhero like when he talks.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9955/mcpartlinryanface4small.jpg

ncLpMzUDyi4

[solidsnake86]

I would be surprised if Hammer isn't at the top of the list right now, they know he can act, he was cast as batman, right height, is not completely unknown anymore etc.

[Mercurius]

Hammer, as some others, looks way too much like a Superboy.

I hope (and suppose) they're going in another direction, really.

[PreK]

LOL, I am sorry about the thread hijacking. I would be happy to have a mod (C. Lee, I'm sure) move the back and forth to another thread if it's really that offensive (like the Superman storyline one) so we can all get to back to discussing how Jon Hamm is NOT going to play Superman :o
Yeah, if a mod can move the discussion to a more appropriate thread I'll more than gladly continue it. This is a new page and we've just gotten on track so for now I'll leave it alone. Lemme know if it gets moved.

Hammer, as some others, looks way too much like a Superboy.

I hope (and suppose) they're going in another direction, really.
He hardly looks like a boy. The guy's huge and has a deep voice. Once he starts bulking up he has the size potential to be the most imposing superhero cast, since Hemsworth. After watching the Social Network, I can easily see why he was cast as Batman. He definitely had that edginess about him (something I feel Bale lacks nowadays). But he had two roles to play, and the other was akin to the big wuss or a typical boyscout.

He isn't as perfectly chiseled or handsome as Henry Cavill, but he'd be one of the only candidates I'd actually be fine with.

[SuperMike335!!]

Found another interview with Ryan McPartlin on youtube:

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The video's I can find of his acting seem to be his over the top/obnoxious type of character, Captain Awesome from Chuck.

Not that this means he cannot play other types of characters, that is only what he is asked to do on that show.

I believe he does have charisma however, as his character on the show was not meant to become as big of a part as it did, mostly by fan popularity.

[SuperMike335!!]

He hardly looks like a boy. The guy's huge and has a deep voice. Once he starts bulking up he has the size potential to be the most imposing superhero cast, since Hemsworth. After watching the Social Network, I can easily see why he was cast as Batman. He definitely had that edginess about him (something I feel Bale lacks nowadays). But he had two roles to play, and the other was akin to the big wuss or a typical boyscout.


Yep.

Hammer is not my #1 choice, but he is certainly on my list, and I think black hair would also make him look older too.

He is also one of those guys with a solid deep voice.

I've always thought Superman should have a deep voice.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Me too, thats why I like Hammer's voice so much.

[flickchick85]

Dp.

[flickchick85]

I keep hearing people say he has the perfect voice for Supes, but am I the only one seriously distracted by Hammer's lisp (or whatever that is)? I'm someone who had no problem with Bale's at any point whatsoever, but it bugs me in almost every scene I see of Hammer's. Don't get me wrong, I thought he delivered a good performance in The Social Network (not so much elsewhere), but he speaks like he's always wearing a retainer or false teeth or something, and it drives me crazy. For that alone I think he's wrong for Supes, but I also don't think he has the look at all, so I'm still crossing my fingers that the recent quote from him turns out to be accurate, and that Snyder/Nolan are looking in another direction.

[kal-elrebooted]

Joe Manganiello for Superman

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5172/35717407809587750723752.th.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/35717407809587750723752.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[M.O.Steel]

looks good to me. people need to stop using the bearded pics to disprove the looks. just that he is in good shape to play superman.

[Project862006]

i dont think he is a very good actor is my problem

[MechaOrga]

such a hard character to cast...

although i like Bomer and some other guys, i don't think they will cast someone under 6 feet tall...just my feeling.

and it seems we are getting younger supes (Superman Begins) so my pic, Hamm, is out the window...

so that leaves hammer and a few others (joe M i think may be too old/mature looking even though im not against him either)

anyone else get angry when they see pics of chris Evans as steve rogers and think "wow i dint think of him but he's a pretty awesome looking cap!")

Chris evans IMO, would have made a great superman.

[SuperMike335!!]

anyone else get angry when they see pics of chris Evans as steve rogers and think "wow i dint think of him but he's a pretty awesome looking cap!")

Chris evans IMO, would have made a great superman.


There were other Steve Rogers candidates however. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Project862006]

like channing tatum and ryan phillipe lol

[M.O.Steel]

i dont think he is a very good actor is my problem

fair enough. haven't seen enough of his work to make a judgment call.

[SuperMike335!!]

like channing tatum and ryan phillipe lol

:doh: Well, I did not mean interested in them.

I was implying the guy in my signature, Ryan McPartlin. :woot:

[AntMan]

What about John Krasinski? He was almost cast as Cap, he's 31 so we don't have worry about age, and he's 6'3.

[TheWatcher]

^He doesn't look like Superman at all.


Next.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Lol, Jim for Superman? Somehow I don't think you're joking. :(

[SuperMike335!!]

^He doesn't look like Superman at all.


Next.

What do you mean?

I made this manip, you cannot see it?

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5830/00001apieceofcrap.jpg

[GoblinWhirlwind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNUzzJG5XIQ

Well, it's no Jon Hamm, but not bad. I'm sure he could deepen it for Superman.

Also, the woman in that clip was kinda hot.

[Karelia]

LOLOLOLOL at above pic. :D

Joe M. all the way! I just wish they'd hurry up and cast.

[shieldshero]

1st time I've seen Michael Trucco in live action. . .
I can see why he used to be a favourite around here.

Def has a good look and acting seems solid, good voice too.
Not high profile enough for WB though, I feel. . .

[SuperMike335!!]

LOLOLOLOL at above pic. :D

Joe M. all the way! I just wish they'd hurry up and cast.

Right!

My top 5 list right now:

1. Ryan McPartlin

2. Joe Manganiello

3. Armie Hammer

4. Patrick Wilson

5. Michael Trucco

I think there are a dozen other good ones out there too, just not popping into the top of my head, but so long as we get someone: "around" 6'3", muscular, masculine looking with a strong Jawline, chiseled features, with a solid deep voice, who can also act, and I will be happy.

[Karelia]

Right!

I think there are a dozen other good ones out there too, just not popping into the top of my head, but so long as we get someone: "around" 6'3", muscular, masculine looking with a strong Jawline, chiseled features, with a solid deep voice, who can also act, and I will be happy.

I Agree with all of that. :woot:

[AntMan]

The Krasinski thing was a joke. I really bored guys, I wish they would cast someone.

[Alonsovich]

What do you mean?

I made this manip, you cannot see it?

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5830/00001apieceofcrap.jpg

If I was casting a Wyatt Earp movie I'd cast this guy as Doc Holliday RIGHT NOW... has the same ears, amazing. For Supes, really not... bad idea...:o

[Karelia]

The Krasinski thing was a joke. I really bored guys, I wish they would cast someone.
I found it hilarious. :woot:

Seriously, I wish they would too. At least tell us when we can expect some sort of Superman announcement.

[Changeling]

I kinda think there should maybe be a poll in here..

[Project862006]

trucco kind of looks like christian bale

[SuperMike335!!]

I kinda think there should maybe be a poll in here..

The only issue with polls of this sort is people get soooo wrapped up with pushing for one actor that they make like 10 handles, go over to friends house, library, etc... to vote 10+ times.

[Polux]

trucco kind of looks like christian bale

Just like Harmon Walsh (my favorite candidate looks-wise after Routh).

I guess that would be my list:

-Routh
-Walsh
-Truco

Polux

[Man of Tomorrow]

Harmon Walsh looks like Trucco too. A younger version.

http://209.166.208.185/mn/dataimages/talent/Reich/100641/12m.jpg VS http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xKYe1R1D2nI/SQXGRH9xd7I/AAAAAAAACyE/iq7E4kErfuU/s200/MichaelTrucco2.jpg

[RachelDawes]

What about John Krasinski? He was almost cast as Cap, he's 31 so we don't have worry about age, and he's 6'3.

I'm okay with an unconventional-looking Superman but he's too quirky even for me.

[Parker Wayne]

I kinda think there should maybe be a poll in here..

I think the poll should be switched too.

[Parker Wayne]

The Krasinski thing was a joke. I really bored guys, I wish they would cast someone.

Even though I liked the idea of Krasinski as Cap (I don't for him as Superman), people were pissed. If he was cast as Superman, World War III would start on these boards.

[RachelDawes]

Even though I liked the idea of Krasinski as Cap (I don't for him as Superman), people were pissed. If he was cast as Superman, World War III would start on these boards.

I hope someone starts a rumor he's been cast because I wanna see that!

[Parker Wayne]

Someone on **************.com probably will

[DorkyFresh]

despite this candidate being a blind folded shot in the dark whilst strapped to an angry bull, i still think this guy (Spencer Conway) is the most qualified...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/4166809215_a708d0cd99_b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerman2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/spencerkent1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/SC-SM-1.jpg

[gdw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNUzzJG5XIQ

That's Trucco?

I did not know it was him when I first saw that. I also first thought you were suggesting Fillion for Superman, lol. I love Fillion, but, he's not quite Superman.

[Night Owl]

Hey guys i dont know if this was mentioned but i stumbled across a pic of an actor today called Jason Lewis. Dont think hes in much. But the pic i saw i thought he had a great look of superman about him. Some jawline lol

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/jason-lewis-2004-vanity-fair-oscar-party-00Oqcv.jpg

And a very quick manip

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XJ0gAj3cDDs/TMepdtvRBPI/AAAAAAAAAGE/8QRfIFsCzp8/s1600/inthefortess_SII2.jpg

[Superark]

Hey guys i dont know if this was mentioned but i stumbled across a pic of an actor today called Jason Lewis. Dont think hes in much. But the pic i saw i thought he had a great look of superman about him. Some jawline lol



And a very quick manip




Some nose! Man and I thought JM's nose was crooked!

[I Am The Knight]

hey guys i dont know if this was mentioned but i stumbled across a pic of an actor today called jason lewis. Dont think hes in much. But the pic i saw i thought he had a great look of superman about him. Some jawline lol

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/jason-lewis-2004-vanity-fair-oscar-party-00oqcv.jpg

and a very quick manip

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xj0gaj3cdds/tmepdtvrbpi/aaaaaaaaage/8qrfifsczp8/s1600/inthefortess_sii2.jpg

what's WRONG with your nooooooose

[Eze]

Speaking of Castle, anyone mentioned Victor Webster lately?

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/victor-webster-eternal-sunshine-of-the-spotless-mind-movie-premiere-1glLVc.jpg

He's got a black belt, so he's ready to get physical and he's been in playgirl so he won't be shy...:cwink:

[LadyVader]

Hm. I never even noticed the thing about Jason Lewis' nose until I saw a picture of him. Must not be that bad when filmed, and I've seen him in plenty of stuff. Anyway, I always got the Green Arrow vibe from him, but the grown up Smallville version, not the comic book version.

[archangel_jay]

i just saw the daft punk tron video and ive gotta say garrett hedlund is 189cm, has an athletic build, i would mind seeing him put forward to audition for superman

[Puckenstein]

If Jason Lewis were cast as anyone, he should be cast as He-Man. Then again, he's not a very strong actor & his voice is average to slightly high pitched.

[GreenKToo]

Anyone remember the show Jag? I've always thought They had some great leads in it that would have been a great ( imo) Supes and Lois. David Elliot and Catherine Bell.
It's about 15 years too late for them now tho.

[SuperMike335!!]

Hm. I never even noticed the thing about Jason Lewis' nose until I saw a picture of him. Must not be that bad when filmed, and I've seen him in plenty of stuff.

It is likely the makeup crew puts a bit of putty on his nose in most of his roles. That is why you would not notice it on film.

That would likely apply if he were cast as Superman.

From what I have seen he does not talk with the deeper pitch I like Superman to have, but he may have the ability to.

Some guys soften their voice for social reasons. If he can sound right in a test screen, and does better than the others, I'm fine with his look.

He isn't my first choice, but another one that I am ok with, and I could see it working.

[Project862006]

i saw jason in 1 movie - bobby z the movie itself was god awful and he was terrible in it he was worse than paul walker lol

[Astrodust]

If Jason Lewis were cast as anyone, he should be cast as He-Man. Then again, he's not a very strong actor & his voice is average to slightly high pitched.

Good call. Totally looks like He-man. Though his nose draws too much attention and someone said he's a poor actor though I can't confirm that.

[MechaOrga]

i will say this...the next superman has been mentioned in this thread, im sure of it!

i think we ran the choices to the ground from inspired to "what da f?"

how old is Jude Law nowadays? he was the most inspired casting choice ive ever heard for superman back when wolfgang perterson was about to cast him... (unlike DJ cortona for Justice League which was a "what da f?" choice)

please note that obviously WB isnt hung up on Height of an actor...

if they are going for younger, im sure that we've already said who is going to put on the tights (Armie Hammer, Ryan Mcpartin, Ryan Gosling, Jake G, Joe M....)

obviously DC isnt to concerned with "reeve lookalike" or height...but what does Zack want.....

[MechaOrga]

me again...sorry.

Lets be real here:

Superman Begins needs its bale. A fantastic actor who can embody superman and bring real emotion to the role and just "known" enough for some...

Being that suits always have a say and if they do want younger actor for story reasons AND sequels, acting wise our best bets are:

RYAN GOSLING or JAKE GYLLENHALL

Here me out...

Ryan is an oscar nominated actor, soon be be nominated again for his Film blue valentine. He's good with accents, reasonably tall (6'2") and has the ability to get big or very small for roles. (sound familiar?)

MINUS: CANADIAN (lol)

He gets my realistic vote (hammer or Joe M get my unrealistic vote lol)

Jake Gyllenhal, who auditioned for Batman back in the day is a great actor but still hasnt gotten that big breakthrough role (prince of persia was supposed to be it)

He can also change his physique very easily and is also reasonably tall (6'2")

MINUS: HIS VOICE ISNT REALLY DEEP

he's my runner up for my realistic vote...

PS. do these two SCREAM superman? no but thats part of it , The are proven wonderful actors who would lend a piece of credibility to the role.

THese two are the ones i would put my money on IF nolan had a big say (and wanted to cast like he did Batman)

[MegaDexx]

I can tell you all this, forget all these other names mentioned, especially those guys who have their own thread. An announcement will made soon that Armie Hammer has been cast as the Man of Steel. What the public doesn't know is being kept under wraps. Details are being worked out right now, multiple picture deals etc. long process. Hammer threw everyone that curve ball the other day for a reason. You'll all know why he said that soon. Everything is calculated in Hollywood.

Stay tuned.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/SQpR7f3uZNI/AAAAAAAAno4/EHVeGArX98Q/ArmieHammer05.jpg :supes:

[hopefuldreamer]

I dislike everything core to the Modern Age interpretation of Superman. I love the Golden Age interpretation of Superman right up to the 1960s. I hear that Snyder is going mature with his lead so I might get my wish, so here I am.

I can't understand how fans don't know the differences between incarnations or how much the "core" has changed, and how it could change back. Seems like the fans are stuck in 1978.

Back when Glasses weren't his disguise? :huh:

I can tell you all this, forget all these other names mentioned, especially those guys who have their own thread. An announcement will made soon that Armie Hammer has been cast as the Man of Steel. What the public doesn't know is being kept under wraps. Details are being worked out right now, multiple picture deals etc. long process. Hammer threw everyone that curve ball the other day for a reason. You'll all know why he said that soon. Everything is calculated in Hollywood.

Stay tuned.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/SQpR7f3uZNI/AAAAAAAAno4/EHVeGArX98Q/ArmieHammer05.jpg :supes:

Presented as fact, and yet backed up by absolutely nothing... verdict for me = nonsense.

[Parker Wayne]

^ As much as I would love that now, since there's no source I don't believe you. I don't want to get my hopes up.

[Superman2007]

Back when Glasses weren't his disguise? :huh:



Presented as fact, and yet backed up by absolutely nothing... verdict for me = nonsense.
lol...welcome to the internet.

[M.O.Steel]

Back when Glasses weren't his disguise? :huh:


glasses were always his disguise...:huh:

[Octoberist]

I can tell you all this, forget all these other names mentioned, especially those guys who have their own thread. An announcement will made soon that Armie Hammer has been cast as the Man of Steel. What the public doesn't know is being kept under wraps. Details are being worked out right now, multiple picture deals etc. long process. Hammer threw everyone that curve ball the other day for a reason. You'll all know why he said that soon. Everything is calculated in Hollywood.

Stay tuned.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/SQpR7f3uZNI/AAAAAAAAno4/EHVeGArX98Q/ArmieHammer05.jpg :supes:

The problem here is that Zach barely got hired in. The only thing that he's probably working on now is

a.) Sucker Punch

b.) Revising the Superman script.

Otherwise, I can't see them signing ANYONE this early in the game. It's going to take a few months. I'm predicting we'll know by Late Spring or early Summer prior to Comic Con. The same thing with the Spider-Man reboot: We didn't find out who Peter Parker was going to be until August. Marc Webb was hired in the Spring.

[M.O.Steel]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/SQpR7f3uZNI/AAAAAAAAno4/EHVeGArX98Q/ArmieHammer05.jpg

that is the first pic i saw of him that made me think, hey, he has potential. the first pic. but that statement and this whole thread is kinda lame because its really hard to judge who would make an great superman until you see them in a suit and in motion. using pics of other shows/movies is useless really.

example, thought that hemsworth was a strange choice for thor, until i saw him as thor. Jane, hell even his first teaser trailer was terrible, but thought he was an awesome punisher. keaton as batman, reeves pre-superman days, mcguire as spiderman, ledger as joker, jackman as wolverine were all strange, non-conventional choices for each role, yet they ALL owned it.

the only real actors that i thought were perfect since announcement was bale as batman, and Stewart as prof X. almost no one else (that I can think of) were ever my top choices, nor even on my radar. everyone has to keep an open mind.

[GreenKToo]

Maybe, maybe not, but no way anyone here will believe you on just a ''trust me''.

[M.O.Steel]

Otherwise, I can't see them signing ANYONE this early in the game. It's going to take a few months. I'm predicting we'll know by Late Spring or early Summer prior to Comic Con. The same thing with the Spider-Man reboot: We didn't find out who Peter Parker was going to be until August. Marc Webb was hired in the Spring.

didn't synder himself say that the team would make an announcement Nov 22nd of this year?

i think it will be sooner than we expect

[Project862006]

imo they needs to start filming august at the latest so before summer

[GreenKToo]

Lots have liked the idea of hammer for a younger supes, me being one.

[Octoberist]

didn't synder himself say that the team would make an announcement Nov 22nd of this year?

i think it will be sooner than we expect

Not that I know of, nope. Where did you get the info from?

[Castro]

eh, still not feeling Hammer for Supes. He should be Anikan Skywalker in a SW:PT reboot. (guy can dream)

[gdw]

didn't synder himself say that the team would make an announcement Nov 22nd of this year?

i think it will be sooner than we expect

Why not just get Tim Daly, period? He wouldn't be that bad. Not perfect, but not bad.

I don't think it's be believable having people not realize CK and superman are the same with Daly though. I don't know why I think that, it's not his acting. Some people can make it at least somewhat believable, and other's can't, imho.

[aka Kal el]

I can tell you all this, forget all these other names mentioned, especially those guys who have their own thread. An announcement will made soon that Armie Hammer has been cast as the Man of Steel. What the public doesn't know is being kept under wraps. Details are being worked out right now, multiple picture deals etc. long process. Hammer threw everyone that curve ball the other day for a reason. You'll all know why he said that soon. Everything is calculated in Hollywood.

Stay tuned.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/SQpR7f3uZNI/AAAAAAAAno4/EHVeGArX98Q/ArmieHammer05.jpg :supes:
I think the middle age thing is a red herring and Synder has someone in mind.

[aka Kal el]

The Krasinski thing was a joke. I really bored guys, I wish they would cast someone.

After watching Chuck last night I'm kind of thinking Zack Levi might be an out of the box choice! He has the height, voice and mannerisms to pull it off! If anyone has a screen shot of him with Clark glasses from last night you would know what I mean.
:word:

[GinsterHead]

After watching Chuck last night I'm kind of thinking Zack Levi might be an out of the box choice! He has the height, voice and mannerisms to pull it off! If anyone has a screen shot of him with Clark glasses from last night you would know what I mean.
:word:

Yeah, I can see him as Superman, too. We might just be in the minority, though. :dry:

[Zack Snyder]

I think the middle age thing is a red herring and Synder has someone in mind.
How do we know Hammer didn't get the middle aged frame of thought from internet rumors? Did he say specifically that was what he was told, or that is what he heard?

If it's true that the story involves the beginnings of Clark Kent we may still end up with a younger Superman 25-30 y/o.

edit: is there a link to the story being about the start of Clark Kent's career?