The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread

[Lobo]

^You forgot to ask Santa :D

[Maze]

:o ..... And Santa :woot::up:

[BH/HHH]

I never said his name sparks instant recognition in the public, just that he was liked as Superman, one of the better elements of Superman Returns.

The opposite would be Kate Bosworth as Lois, who was generally disliked. She was given her walking papers early on in 2007 by Warners Bros for that reason.

Routh, however, was attached with them up until recently and he was favored by Alan Horn, Warner execs, Tull at Legendary etc.. he was perceived as good casting.

It's not surprising that the casting call for Synder's film also states they're open to another unknown again.

Great post :up:

[Daybreak_st]

He was probably confused as hell about what he was supposed to be doing in SR. Beyond it being his first major film, he was essentially told to handle the character like Reeve did but different...but not too different.

You look at his performance and you get the impression that it's awkward not because he not capable of providing a natural performance(Scott Pilgrim proves otherwise) but because his character was put in an insanely awkward position and written awkwardly.

They wrote Superman like he was imposing on his own film. He feels bad about leaving, he feels awkward about things with Lois, he feels awkward about coming back, and he feels awkward about his heritage.

So he played a Superman who was very unsure about himself, but they didn't even give him enough dialogue to explore and understand why he's feeling that way.

Which makes Routh look just...well, awkward.

I don't care how long Routh's stint was in Pilgrim. It proved he is a good actor, and if he's given the right direction, proper understanding of role he's playing, and the freedom to cut loose, he can really deliver.

So one 10 minute role in the last five years since Superman Returns is the proof you need that he's indeed a solid actor :huh:

I'm not dissing the guy, i like him well enough and enjoyed him in chuck. However, the fact that despite him being well like SR, his natural leading man appearance, why hasn't he had another breakout or well reviewed role in the last 5 years other than a 10min cameo in another film?

Look at any of the recent stars in Superhero films, Bale, Downy, Jackman, etc, those guys stole the show in the superhero role and went on to be offered tons of other roles that clearly cemented them as leading men. Hence they keep getting offered roles and starring in films. Yet Routh hasn't done anything substantial, certainly no leading man roles, a few independent films that never created buzz on his performance...pretty much silence other than his 10min role in Scott Pilgrim. That doesn't scream leading man potential to me. If he's as good as some people want to believe you'd think he would've had something substantial to date, whether carving out his niche on TV or a specific film genre, but pretty much nothing. I think that says something. And while fans may ignore it i doubt the WB execs are.

However if he had made a name for himself in any way shape or form in the last 5 years, staring in films or tv shows i have no doubt they'd have enough confidence to bring him back. But the only thing he really has to his name is Superman Returns and now a small role in Scott Piligrim. Why is that? He's got the build and looks of an action star or a romantic comedy leading man, so why not the roles? It has to be the acting. I hope i'm wrong but i doubt it.

[Agentdemon]

So one 10 minute role in the last five years since Superman Returns is the proof you need that he's indeed a solid actor :huh:

I'm not dissing the guy, i like him well enough and enjoyed him in chuck. However, the fact that despite him being well like SR, his natural leading man appearance, why hasn't he had another breakout or well reviewed role in the last 5 years other than a 10min cameo in another film?

Look at any of the recent stars in Superhero films, Bale, Downy, Jackman, etc, those guys stole the show in the superhero role and went on to be offered tons of other roles that clearly cemented them as leading men. Hence they keep getting offered roles and starring in films. Yet Routh hasn't done anything substantial, certainly no leading man roles, a few independent films that never created buzz on his performance...pretty much silence other than his 10min role in Scott Pilgrim. That doesn't scream leading man potential to me. If he's as good as some people want to believe you'd think he would've had something substantial to date, whether carving out his niche on TV or a specific film genre, but pretty much nothing. I think that says something. And while fans may ignore it i doubt the WB execs are.

However if he had made a name for himself in any way shape or form in the last 5 years, staring in films or tv shows i have no doubt they'd have enough confidence to bring him back. But the only thing he really has to his name is Superman Returns and now a small role in Scott Piligrim. Why is that? He's got the build and looks of an action star or a romantic comedy leading man, so why not the roles? It has to be the acting. I hope i'm wrong but i doubt it.

Agreed. And while the perception of "good" or "bad" acting is partly subjective, I don't think anyone doubts Daniel Day-Lewis is one of the best actors ever. People are unbelievablely bias however, when they have a crush on an actor or for whatever reason hate an actor.

I'm not bashing Routh, I've always thought he looked the most like Superman, second to Reeve. But everything I've seen him in, which includes almost all his body of work listed on IMDB, has been awful. Case in point, watch his performance in this clip, skip to 7:43 for his cringe worthy delivery of his line. The rest of his performance in the episode is pretty much the same but I always remembered how unconvincing he was in that scene.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6lmy8_community-part-3_shortfilms

[That-Guy]

Yeah, that's pretty much what it boils down to. There are plenty of actors out there who can shine in small roles. But to carry an entire film, you have to have something extra. Routh LOOKS like your classic leading man type, but so far, he hasn't shown that he has the ability to pull it off.

It is true that the character of Superman ins SR comes off like he was unsure of himself. But I think that was about half script, half Routh. I think Routh was getting a lot of bad direction, but I also think that he would have turned in a bad performance even if he had Francis Ford Coppolla calling the shots on that film.

[Daybreak_st]

Yeah, that's pretty much what it boils down to. There are plenty of actors out there who can shine in small roles. But to carry an entire film, you have to have something extra. Routh LOOKS like your classic leading man type, but so far, he hasn't shown that he has the ability to pull it off.

It is true that the character of Superman ins SR comes off like he was unsure of himself. But I think that was about half script, half Routh. I think Routh was getting a lot of bad direction, but I also think that he would have turned in a bad performance even if he had Francis Ford Coppolla calling the shots on that film.


Great post! Agreed. If it was all the script that made his delivery bad in Superman Returns then his subsequent roles would've have proven that. And yet...they haven't. Again that speaks volumes of his acting ability, it's not just one role that he underperformed in but pretty much everything he's been in since. Fans like to ignore that sort of thing but reason and logic says he just may not be leading man material despite his looks.

For his sake (b/c he seems like a genuinely nice guy) i hope role comes along that fits him and he can make a name for himself. I honestly do. But his track record isn't that great.

Agreed. And while the perception of "good" or "bad" acting is partly subjective, I don't think anyone doubts Daniel Day-Lewis is one of the best actors ever. People are unbelievablely bias however, when they have a crush on an actor or for whatever reason hate an actor.

I'm not bashing Routh, I've always thought he looked the most like Superman, second to Reeve. But everything I've seen him in, which includes almost all his body of work listed on IMDB, has been awful. Case in point, watch his performance in this clip, skip to 7:43 for his cringe worthy delivery of his line. The rest of his performance in the episode is pretty much the same but I always remembered how unconvincing he was in that scene.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6lmy8_community-part-3_shortfilms



Great post as well. Agreed, i think it's very hard to argue that he has the natural look for the part but the acting and his ability as a leading man seem to be lacking.

The thing is even if the movies he was in weren't great, if he was a solid actor you'd hear buzz about him even from the small independent roles. Heck that's how Joseph Gordon Levitt made his come back in a bunch of small roles that highlighted his acting talent and paved the way for him to be considered a serious actor. Other actor/actresses have done the same thing, but i've yet to hear anything regarding Routh's roles in other films that would have me believe that his performance in Superman Returns was just the script or a fluke of some sort. His other roles seem to confirm questionalbe acting ability or at least the idea that he can handle supporting roles but perhaps not leading man ones. I honestly wish he had cemented himself as a leading man in the last 5 years because he visually looks more like Superman than ever before, but nothing about his acting ability has indicated that all of a sudden he'd be able to handle the leading man duties and successfully relauch Superman into the mainstream.

[Superman2007]

So one 10 minute role in the last five years since Superman Returns is the proof you need that he's indeed a solid actor :huh:

I'm not dissing the guy, i like him well enough and enjoyed him in chuck. However, the fact that despite him being well like SR, his natural leading man appearance, why hasn't he had another breakout or well reviewed role in the last 5 years other than a 10min cameo in another film?

Look at any of the recent stars in Superhero films, Bale, Downy, Jackman, etc, those guys stole the show in the superhero role and went on to be offered tons of other roles that clearly cemented them as leading men. Hence they keep getting offered roles and starring in films. Yet Routh hasn't done anything substantial, certainly no leading man roles, a few independent films that never created buzz on his performance...pretty much silence other than his 10min role in Scott Pilgrim. That doesn't scream leading man potential to me. If he's as good as some people want to believe you'd think he would've had something substantial to date, whether carving out his niche on TV or a specific film genre, but pretty much nothing. I think that says something. And while fans may ignore it i doubt the WB execs are.

However if he had made a name for himself in any way shape or form in the last 5 years, staring in films or tv shows i have no doubt they'd have enough confidence to bring him back. But the only thing he really has to his name is Superman Returns and now a small role in Scott Piligrim. Why is that? He's got the build and looks of an action star or a romantic comedy leading man, so why not the roles? It has to be the acting. I hope i'm wrong but i doubt it.

He or his agent have made some bad choices about the films he's chosen.
I think they've thought SR would get a sequel so they kept his schedule relatively clear. And put him in roles that didn't require a huge commitment from him.
Most of the stuff he's done hasn't gotten released or have gone straight to dvd. Not because he was especially bad in them, but because they were poorly made and not commercially viable.
That being said, I though he was great in FLING* and while the Scott Pilgrim role wasn't long, it can still be used as an example of his acting capabilities.

Now, in terms of being a "leading man", I think what it takes to be a leading man is debatable. The term "leading man" is debatable itself.
If the only two films Christian Bale ever put himself in was Terminator Salvation and The Machinist...studio executives would definitely call him out as being a poor leading man. The Machinist was good but it wasn't a massive hit and Terminator Salvation was a bad film that tanked and dragged Bale down with it. Downey JR. was never considered leading man material by most of Hollywood, that's why it was so hard to get Marvel to take a chance on him. What I'm saying is you have good actors and bad actors, "leading man" is an agent's term to generate commercial viability for an actor. If an actor is good he'll rise to the occasion and take on the main role, if he's bad he'll fail and rightfully so.

[Night Owl]

Just a casting comparative i did. Thought it would be interesting

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8651/castx.jpg

[Superman2007]

I'm not bashing Routh, I've always thought he looked the most like Superman, second to Reeve. But everything I've seen him in, which includes almost all his body of work listed on IMDB, has been awful. Case in point, watch his performance in this clip, skip to 7:43 for his cringe worthy delivery of his line. The rest of his performance in the episode is pretty much the same but I always remembered how unconvincing he was in that scene.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6lmy8_community-part-3_shortfilms

Yeah, Routh was terrible in that episode. Everyone was awful in that.

[Superman2007]

Yeah, that's pretty much what it boils down to. There are plenty of actors out there who can shine in small roles. But to carry an entire film, you have to have something extra. Routh LOOKS like your classic leading man type, but so far, he hasn't shown that he has the ability to pull it off.

It is true that the character of Superman ins SR comes off like he was unsure of himself. But I think that was about half script, half Routh. I think Routh was getting a lot of bad direction, but I also think that he would have turned in a bad performance even if he had Francis Ford Coppolla calling the shots on that film.
If Francis Ford Coppolle were directing it, everything would be different. The script, the sets, the lighting, the costumes, so we really don't know what kind of performance he would have been able to produce out of Routh. Even if he had cast Routh that is...

[That-Guy]

If Francis Ford Coppolle were directing it, everything would be different. The script, the sets, the lighting, the costumes, so we really don't know what kind of performance he would have been able to produce out of Routh. Even if he had cast Routh that is...

You're right. He wouldn't have.

[Superman2007]

You're right. He wouldn't have.
Again, we don't know, Coppola has had casting issues in the past. Especially on Apocalypse Now.

[That-Guy]

He or his agent have made some bad choices about the films he's chosen.
I think they've thought SR would get a sequel so they kept his schedule relatively clear. And put him in roles that didn't require a huge commitment from him.
Most of the stuff he's done hasn't gotten released or have gone straight to dvd. Not because he was especially bad in them, but because they were poorly made and not commercially viable.
That being said, I though he was great in FLING* and while the Scott Pilgrim role wasn't long, it can still be used as an example of his acting capabilities.

Now, in terms of being a "leading man", I think what it takes to be a leading man is debatable. The term "leading man" is debatable itself.
If the only two films Christian Bale ever put himself in was Terminator Salvation and The Machinist...studio executives would definitely call him out as being a poor leading man. The Machinist was good but it wasn't a massive hit and Terminator Salvation was a bad film that tanked and dragged Bale down with it. Downey JR. was never considered leading man material by most of Hollywood, that's why it was so hard to get Marvel to take a chance on him. What I'm saying is you have good actors and bad actors, "leading man" is an agent's term to generate commercial viability for an actor. If an actor is good he'll rise to the occasion and take on the main role, if he's bad he'll fail and rightfully so.

The Machinist was never intended to be a massive hit. Did you seriously think it was? It was an indie drama about a guy starving himself to death and losing his mind. Not mainstream fare. As for Terminator... the movie was terrible but Bale was crucified for it because of the rant recording. After that leaked, his performance in the film was irrelevant... people were going to trash him no matter what. Add to that the fact that his character was ADDED to a movie that he should have been the main character of (and therefore not given much to do but brood and act like a jerk) and presto, you have a great actor getting trashed by the media and the fans.

[Daybreak_st]

He or his agent have made some bad choices about the films he's chosen.
I think they've thought SR would get a sequel so they kept his schedule relatively clear. And put him in roles that didn't require a huge commitment from him.
Most of the stuff he's done hasn't gotten released or have gone straight to dvd. Not because he was especially bad in them, but because they were poorly made and not commercially viable.
That being said, I though he was great in FLING* and while the Scott Pilgrim role wasn't long, it can still be used as an example of a his acting capabilities.

Now, in terms of being a "leading man", I think what it takes to be a leading man is debatable. The term "leading man" is debatable itself.
If the only two films Christian Bale ever put himself in was Terminator Salvation and The Machinist...studio executives would definitely call him out as being a poor leading man. The Machinist was good but it wasn't a massive hit and Terminator Salvation was a bad film that tanked and dragged Bale down with it. Downey JR. was never considered leading man material by most of Hollywood, that's why it was so hard to get Marvel to take a chance on him. What I'm saying is you have good actors and bad actors, "leading man" is an agent's term to generate commercial viability for an actor. If an actor is good he'll rise to the occasion and take on the main role, if he's bad he'll fail and rightfully so.


You make some good points i hadn't considered about the roles and what not. However i think you said it best in that last bold statement. Routh just hasn't risen to the occasion to date, while other actors like Bale and Downy have on multiple occasions. Again I think that says something about his ability to "lead a film" to not use the "leading man" term again. when i use the term i simply mean to star in a successful film or lead a cast in a film as the focal character and turn in a solid performance. And up to this point he hasn't demonstrated his ability to do that, in any role.

Hugh Jackman has had big hits and bad films but his ability as an actor hasn't really been challenged. His versatility has been proven over and over again in the variety of roles he's played. many of which he's done in-between 4 x-men based films with him as the star. Routh has Superman Returns but you really think he didn't have time for other roles in the hopes of a sequel...i dont' know about that. If someone like Jackman and Bale can do multiple films while waiting around for a sequel Routh could've done the same thing. There also might be a reason why his films haven't been release etc. Just saying nothing has been offered to prove that he can sucessfully carry even one film much less a franchise.

Maybe you're right and one day some role will come along that he's perfect for but it just seems like the prime time of his career would've been right after Superman Returns when his face was plastered everywhere. A smart agent would've capitalized on that.

[That-Guy]

Again, we don't know, Coppola has had casting issues in the past. Especially on Apocalypse Now.

that's true, but it worked out well in the end. And please, let's refrain from comparing Routh to Martin Sheen and Harvey Keitel. Even if you think he's a great actor, he is in no way in the same league as either of those guys.

[Superman2007]

that's true, but it worked out well in the end. And please, let's refrain from comparing Routh to Martin Sheen and Harvey Keitel. Even if you think he's a great actor, he is in no way in the same league as either of those guys.
Oh yeah, definitely not. Just a note about casting. Routh doesn't have the resume imply that at all.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Bale and Downey were actors with dozens of movies and of years of experie nce under their belt before starring in their superhero movies. Jackman was a newcomer to the American cinemas but an experienced and trained actor. And Christopher Reeve didn't have a stellar career out of the costume, though being a trained and better than average actor.

[KalMart]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


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http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg

[Astrodust]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


http://i56.tinypic.com/90admr.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg

Good find. Not sure if he can act but he has the look.

[Gianakin_]

In the 2nd pic he looks exactly like Reeve.

[Astrodust]

It would help things move smoothly if you actually read some posts and knew who you were talking to and what you were talking about.

Someone ELSE mentioned conducting random questioning on the streets....I spoke of asking family members during Thanksgiving. I have conducted surveys in the past....as part of my role as a moderator on this site. That's something I do to help pass info on to the boss.

I don't live in a dream world because if you had actually read any of my past posts, you would have seen that I have repeatedly said I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHO IS PICKED FOR THE ROLE. I'm not for any one particular actor...I don't endorse any one particular actor, I don't diss any one particular actor...I don't care.

I'm always thinking of the next movie...that's my job here. I'm not obsessed with praising or complaining about any actor, character, comic company, movie studio or whatever. I am impartial.

I don't think anyone can be that impartial. What if they cast a 4 foot tall midget? Don't get me wrong. I know what you're getting at. You would probably be okay with a lot of casting choices. But it's the a person's ability to forecast, analyze, and have an opinion that makes us human. It actually allows us to learn faster. I'm not just talking about developing skills to become a casting agent, which it could. I'm talking about applying those insights to other areas of life.

If they were casting a film about a super powered dog and we knew very little about the film, we would probably still have a favorite if shown a bunch of pictures of different dogs. Given that this is a film about Superman and given that we know quite a bit about him, and include the fact the WB said this is a reboot of sorts with a specific age range for Superman, it would be hard not to form an opinion. It's hard to be impartial from anything like choosing an apple at the grocery store to what shirt you should wear in the morning.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Do you know those Docto Who specials where all the actors portraying the Doctor team-up?
It would be fun seeing all the Superman actors playing the Man of Steel from different dimensions in a movie. And I want Grant Morrison to write it and Michel Gondry to direct it.

[jak123]

I still think Jared padalecki would make a fine Supeman.

Though another actor I think should get a screen test is Kellan Lutz.
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/stylewatch/blog/100705/kellan-lutz-300x400.jpg

[Octoberist]

What do Bale, Downey jr., and Norton have in common? They've all played Superheroes and they are all better actors than Zach Levi.

Why be defensive when Zach was clearly joking.

It's just like when Robert Downey Jr was joking about The Dark Knight two years ago, and all these fans declared RDJ to be a jerk and a hack actor. pttf.

[kyleman]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


http://i56.tinypic.com/90admr.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg

This is by far my favorite in this thread.

[Superark]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


http://i56.tinypic.com/90admr.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg


Too short and not a very good actor from what I've seen

[HighFivingMF]

I still think Jared padalecki would make a fine Supeman.

Though another actor I think should get a screen test is Kellan Lutz.
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/stylewatch/blog/100705/kellan-lutz-300x400.jpg
Is there an actual photo of him and not just a lifeless rubber mannequin?

[Astrodust]

This is by far my favorite in this thread.

I thought so too at first but then I remember where I saw him from. He was Trent in Transformers. Unless he looks and acts a lot different, I don't really see Superman in him. He actually played a Trent in 2 of Michael Bays' films, the other being Friday the 13th, and they were both douches lol. Haven't seen him lately, maybe things have changed.

[Midnight Black]

I think once Hal finally gets serious and realizes the responsibility of the ring, he'll be awesome. During the whole last part of the trailer he's serious, that's what I want.

The casting of Reynolds is what makes me wonder if ANY of the fan choices will be chosen for Superman. I remember people talking like the dude from Star Trek was just one handshake away from getting the role, and then outta nowhere there was Reynolds. And then with Spidey, alot of people wanted Logan Lerman, he himself said he wanted it, and then they pulled Garfield out of their a**.

Otherwise I'm expecting to sign online and see "It's Official! [Insert Unheard Of Name Here] Is The New Superman!"

Yup I wouldn't be suprised if they went the "Unheard of Actor plucked from obscurity" route lol.

I'm sure Reynolds getting "serious" will be just like all his other movies where he gets serious towards the end. I like him as an actor, and enjoy everyone movie he is in, but is it too much to ask for casting directors and the studios to think outside the box and not cast the same character and performance an actor portrays in everyone one of their movies??? I'm sure he will do good, but I'm just tired of seeing the childish reluctant hero that matures and saves the day while at the same time being boyishly charming along the way.

And what trailer did you see? An extended version, because I didn't get any of that from what I saw.

I've watched some clips he's decent, hopefully he gets a chance to audition. Yeah either would have been good for that role, didnt like Ben Foster for it. Carmack is my choice for He-Man if they ever get around to making it. I'm fine with Evans as Cap, though I was rooting for Vogel, there.

List of actors I'd like to see read for the part (no order)

Robert Buckley
Rick Malambri
Ryan McPartlin
Travis Van Winkle
Joe Manganiello
Jake Gyllenhaal (if they go for a name)
Jared Padalecki

Yeah, Travis and Carmack are decent actors, I think they could do well with a good script and direction. I wouldn't say they are bad, but wouldn't say they are great because I have nothing to base that on. NOW they have been in some bad movies, but it wasn't because of their performances.

Camack would make a good He-Man, never thought of him for that. I also like:
http://celebritysurgery.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/14_jason_lewis.0.0.0x0.420x600.jpeg

Jason Lewis for the part too. I think he would've made a better Gambit then, ol' dude who kept switching accents in XMO: Wolverine lol. I like Taylor Kitsch though as an actor from the other things he has been in.

This is by far my favorite in this thread.

Never boring lol.

I thought so too at first but then I remember where I saw him from. He was Trent in Transformers. Unless he looks and acts a lot different, I don't really see Superman in him. He actually played a Trent in 2 of Michael Bays' films, the other being Friday the 13th, and they were both douches lol. Haven't seen him lately, maybe things have changed.


Don't let the character a guy plays determine his ability nor his/her personality off screen. Yeah he was a douche in a lot of roles, but I've seen him in a few things were he wasn't. He WAS a douche in Friday the 13th, Transformers, and Accepted lol. Dude needs to get away from being typecasted.

However, I'm glad I suggested blonde haired actors as a different direction (I know I'm not the first to, so calm down fanboys) because he does have a strong resemblance to Chris Reeve. Can anyone do a manip with him having black hair and in the suit?

[C. Lee]

Personally I don't know anyone who would say BR was one of the best things about the movie, who isn't a fan of some description.

Most random people on the street would remember the effects. If you asked them what the best thing about Superman Returns was, they're more likely to say 'That scene with the plane was pretty cool' or 'ah yeah when he got shot in the eye, that was awesome' than 'The guy who played him was a really good actor'.

It's mostly amongst fans that BR is considered the best thing about SR... which IMO he is, I thought he played a great Superman for what the movie was, and he had a charisma that fit with the tone of the movie as a whole.

In fairness, most of the people I know wouldn't remember much about the movie at all... which actually makes me happy, because the less memorable it was, the easier it will be for us to almost pretend it never happened once the new film is out :p

You don't agree with my post. Why am I NOT surprised.

I said I am impartial. I said I don't care who gets the part. But unfortuantly I said something nice about Routh. It doesn't matter to you that I said it as an impartial observer. It doesn't matter to you that as an impartial observer I actually conducted a survey and got the results I reported. I didn't say what I said because I am a Routh supporter. I didn't say what I said because I loved SUPERMAN RETURNS. But all that does not matter to you does it.

I have shown no bias one way or the other about any actor that can be considered for the role of Superman in the next movie. You have a giant banner praising Caville for the role. So....which one of us has the more credibility when it comes to the post of mine that you disagree with?

[GinsterHead]

Double post is posted more than once

[GinsterHead]

How's this?

http://i51.tinypic.com/332v01x.jpg

Van Winkle could work, but the fact that he's been in a Platinum Dunes movie AND 'Meet the Spartans' worries me a bit...he looks the part, though.

[Tra-El]

If I were you guys, I'd do a lot less talking about Routh and lot more talking about this guy. He's gonna be the next Superman.

I'd be all for it. I'm certainly a Caville fan. He tops my list after the Hamm rumors died down. I like Caville's look as well as a commanding presence and features.

[AntMan]

Travis Van Winkle has a good look but I've never seen him act.

[C. Lee]

Oh well, it seems I have to spell it out very very succinctly.

I don't think anyone can be that impartial.
Not to be disrespectful...but I am willing to say yes, you probably don't think anyone can be that impartial. And the chances are it's your age. I have no idea of your real age. I am basing that statement on the fact that 95% of the posters here at the Hype are at least 25 years younger than me. I am 53 years old. I have had time to mellow out and not be as impetuous as people in thier teens or twenties. And again...I don't know your age, I'm not trying to offend, I am just stating facts. And I have found that it is predominately the younger posters here who have a hard time understanding someone being impartial about anything. They are used to being on one side or the other of some warring faction. The idea that someone can be impartial seems hard for them to grasp.

I have learned over the years from life experiences (particualarily by being the supervisor over 10+ people over the course of 22 years) that being impartial when dealing with people is the way to go. Having a personal opinion can be seperated from a professional one. When I talk on the boards as having no opinion and not caring...I am speaking professionaly as a moderator. I do not let my personal opinions cloud my activities as a moderator.

What if they cast a 4 foot tall midget?
Ah...the old "What if they cast a 4 foot tall midget?" question....been waiting for that one to be used again since the SR casting wars, thanks.

Well....I might say that after seeing LORD OF THE RINGS I'd say it could be done. But the real answer to that is....When I say I don't care who is cast as Superman...I am referring to not only the actors that have an actual chance at getting the part...but I am also mainly saying I WILL NOT TAKE SIDES IN ANY OF THE IDIOTIC JUVENILE MY ACTOR IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTOR WARS that overrun these boards. Do you understand that?

Don't get me wrong. I know what you're getting at.
No, actually, I don't think you do....or you wouldn't have brought it up.

You would probably be okay with a lot of casting choices. But it's the a person's ability to forecast, analyze, and have an opinion that makes us human. It actually allows us to learn faster. I'm not just talking about developing skills to become a casting agent, which it could. I'm talking about applying those insights to other areas of life.
And what I am talking about isn't about a child attempting to grow or an adult trying to better himself....I am talking about a moderator at a message board site not giving any MY CHOICE FOR THE ROLE faction any kind of presumed loyalty by me to thier choice. I am impartial in the casting wars. If I share something nice about a choice...it's simply because I felt like at that moment sharing something nice. If I say something detrimental about a choice....it's simply because I felt like at that moment to share something detrimental. I can say good or bad about the same choice. Because I don't spend all of my time praising one actor or bashing all others. I do not take sides in the casting wars.

If they were casting a film about a super powered dog and we knew very little about the film, we would probably still have a favorite if shown a bunch of pictures of different dogs. Given that this is a film about Superman and given that we know quite a bit about him, and include the fact the WB said this is a reboot of sorts with a specific age range for Superman, it would be hard not to form an opinion. It's hard to be impartial from anything like choosing an apple at the grocery store to what shirt you should wear in the morning.

As I have said several times in this particular post and as I have said many many times over the years in all forums on this site.....I have my personal opinions about many things...but rarely share the ones that are being fought over by one fanatical side on here against another. When a casting war or the like starts in any particular characters forum...I don't take sides. I am too old have too much other things to do than worry that I like actor A and you like actor B.

It's reall funny. Depending on who you ask...I love Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....or I hate Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....because I stop fights among the posters here who feel they have to defend thier choices to the death. If someone attacks a Welling defender and I call him down...well, I'm obviously a Welling lover. Then when they attack Caville because obviously I'm a Welling defender and come down on them for attacking that guy...well now I'm obviously a Caville lover. The idea of being impartial and unbiased is such a mystery to so many posters here.

[I Am The Knight]

He (Van Winkle) was the douche that Megan Fox was dating before "meeting" Sam in Transformers.

[darkzombiemutt]

In the 2nd pic he looks exactly like Reeve.

no kidding, right? He has a good look thats for sure, never heard of the guy before.

[Dark Knight]

Just a casting comparative i did. Thought it would be interesting

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8651/castx.jpg






Nice suit, but the trunks look awkward.

Cavill or Hammer as Supes please.

[Sub-Zero]

He (Van Winkle) was the douche that Megan Fox was dating before "meeting" Sam in Transformers.

he's kinda typecast in that role. he also plays the douche boyfriend in the friday the 13th remake. he's plays douchey well. might work better for booster gold, not superman.

[Lobo]

Well he'd obviously act differfent if he was playing Superman, as Superman is not a douche. And yeah he played the same character of Trent in TF and Friday the 13th

[HighFivingMF]

"Dude, Brainiac, c'mon. That's totally not chill. Let's just play XBox."

[Midnight Black]

How's this?

http://i51.tinypic.com/332v01x.jpg

Van Winkle could work, but the fact that he's been in a Platinum Dunes movie AND 'Meet the Spartans' worries me a bit...he looks the part, though.

Thanks! Not to shabby. He might just be a contender. After seeing the Manips of Caville I'm thinking even more that he just doesn't feel like Supe. I'm just not seeing what many of you guys are seeing. I think I have to go watch some of his work and Hammer's to in order to understand the continous campaigning for these two. However, I am like Van Winkle more and more, but would like to see Welling have a go at it.

[JAK®]

Wow... just... wow. Talk about leaving out all reason and facts in order to awkwardly, feebly patch together the shell of an argument. Fox News should hire you, man.

You forgot to mention that after Batman, Bale landed a Terrence Malick film and played the lead in The Prestige and 3:10 To Yuma, followed by a Batman sequel, Terminator, Public Enemies, and now The Fighter, where he'll be nominated for an Oscar. I think Routh turned down working with Terrence Malick, hahaha! Malick was beating down Routh's door, but Routh was like, "No, no. I'm waiting to make a cameo in Zack and Miri Make a Porno."

And after Iron Man, Downey Jr. became arguably the most sought-after actor in Hollywood and was attached to big films aside from playing leads in Tropic Thunder, The Soloist, and Sherlock Holmes, one of which earned him an Oscar nomination. I bet Routh's Oscar nomination will come soon, though, after he turns one of his "leading man" roles where he has 10 minutes of screen time into a showstopper, LOLOLOLOLOL!

I'm sure that after Superman Returns Routh was flooded with offers that his agent turned down in order to keep his schedule clear, HAHAHA! "No, I'm sorry, Mr. Routh can't do your movie, the Superman sequel starts shooting 2 years from now, we're waiting for that." HAHAHAHA! Were Bale's and Downey's agents worried about keeping their schedules clear for Iron Man 2 and The Dark Knight, hahahahaha!

The pathetic blindness of Routh fans never fails to astonish me. Oh, wait, I spoke too soon, let's debate the phrase "leading man" LOL! I agree, please just cast this part already so that on this board the name Routh means the same thing it means everywhere else in the world: nothing.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001659/

Christopher Reeve's filmography.

How many of those films do you remember?

[JAK®]

Uh, I don't even have to look at that list to know that Somewhere in Time is a classic, which he did right after Superman.
Okay. And what else?

[SuperAl]

ive seen village of the damned which was horrible.

[jesusmagicka]

I'm watching 30 Rock and Hamm woulda' been so perfect 10 years ago. The character he played on 30 Rock reminds me of Clark.

[flickchick85]

Okay. And what else?
Deathtrap! More successful as a Broadway show, but the Reeve version is still very much in the conversation at the moment with the new revival showing in London as we speak. Also, Remains of the Day, people.

[Jake Cassidy]

Street Smart

Speechless with Michael Keaton :woot:

[Astrodust]

Oh well, it seems I have to spell it out very very succinctly.


Not to be disrespectful...but I am willing to say yes, you probably don't think anyone can be that impartial. And the chances are it's your age. I have no idea of your real age. I am basing that statement on the fact that 95% of the posters here at the Hype are at least 25 years younger than me. I am 53 years old. I have had time to mellow out and not be as impetuous as people in thier teens or twenties. And again...I don't know your age, I'm not trying to offend, I am just stating facts. And I have found that it is predominately the younger posters here who have a hard time understanding someone being impartial about anything. They are used to being on one side or the other of some warring faction. The idea that someone can be impartial seems hard for them to grasp.

I have learned over the years from life experiences (particualarily by being the supervisor over 10+ people over the course of 22 years) that being impartial when dealing with people is the way to go. Having a personal opinion can be seperated from a professional one. When I talk on the boards as having no opinion and not caring...I am speaking professionaly as a moderator. I do not let my personal opinions cloud my activities as a moderator.


Ah...the old "What if they cast a 4 foot tall midget?" question....been waiting for that one to be used again since the SR casting wars, thanks.

Well....I might say that after seeing LORD OF THE RINGS I'd say it could be done. But the real answer to that is....When I say I don't care who is cast as Superman...I am referring to not only the actors that have an actual chance at getting the part...but I am also mainly saying I WILL NOT TAKE SIDES IN ANY OF THE IDIOTIC JUVENILE MY ACTOR IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTOR WARS that overrun these boards. Do you understand that?


No, actually, I don't think you do....or you wouldn't have brought it up.


And what I am talking about isn't about a child attempting to grow or an adult trying to better himself....I am talking about a moderator at a message board site not giving any MY CHOICE FOR THE ROLE faction any kind of presumed loyalty by me to thier choice. I am impartial in the casting wars. If I share something nice about a choice...it's simply because I felt like at that moment sharing something nice. If I say something detrimental about a choice....it's simply because I felt like at that moment to share something detrimental. I can say good or bad about the same choice. Because I don't spend all of my time praising one actor or bashing all others. I do not take sides in the casting wars.



As I have said several times in this particular post and as I have said many many times over the years in all forums on this site.....I have my personal opinions about many things...but rarely share the ones that are being fought over by one fanatical side on here against another. When a casting war or the like starts in any particular characters forum...I don't take sides. I am too old have too much other things to do than worry that I like actor A and you like actor B.

It's reall funny. Depending on who you ask...I love Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....or I hate Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....because I stop fights among the posters here who feel they have to defend thier choices to the death. If someone attacks a Welling defender and I call him down...well, I'm obviously a Welling lover. Then when they attack Caville because obviously I'm a Welling defender and come down on them for attacking that guy...well now I'm obviously a Caville lover. The idea of being impartial and unbiased is such a mystery to so many posters here.

C. Lee there is nothing wrong with someone admitting they are partial about something. It's fun to be a fan and get excited and pull for a certain actor. I understand that it gets annoying listening to younger posters fight but it is fairly harmless. If your grandchild came up to you and asked who you think would make a great Superman, do you say you don't really care? Kids ask all kinds of questions and as good older adults we try and provide them with answers and wisdom. Why does this matter? Well often they ask us questions about things we've rarely or never thought about but we do our best to give an answer anyways. So when it comes to something that we know and care deeply about, it would be strange to be impartial when we have opinions of the littlest things.

Also I really don't see the correlation between age(maturity) and impartiality. A casting agent can easily be over 60 years old with a wealth of experience and be very partial to whom they cast. People are usually impartial to things they know little about. A child may be impartial to who wins the election but an adult rarely will if they know what that candidate stands for. Imo people are just having fun here. Maybe when you are 60 you can look back at all this and smile. I'll be smiling with you. :yay:

[JAK®]

He has to be impartial because he is the law.

[elgaz]

Another Cavill one

http://www.revheadz.net/cavill3.jpg

[Asgard]

Nice manip. He really looks good for the role.

Does anyone know if theres a better quality version of this picture? Could be good manip material.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4039/003dvi.jpg

[KalMart]

Oh well, it seems I have to spell it out very very succinctly.


Not to be disrespectful...but I am willing to say yes, you probably don't think anyone can be that impartial. And the chances are it's your age. I have no idea of your real age. I am basing that statement on the fact that 95% of the posters here at the Hype are at least 25 years younger than me. I am 53 years old. I have had time to mellow out and not be as impetuous as people in thier teens or twenties. And again...I don't know your age, I'm not trying to offend, I am just stating facts. And I have found that it is predominately the younger posters here who have a hard time understanding someone being impartial about anything. They are used to being on one side or the other of some warring faction. The idea that someone can be impartial seems hard for them to grasp.

I have learned over the years from life experiences (particualarily by being the supervisor over 10+ people over the course of 22 years) that being impartial when dealing with people is the way to go. Having a personal opinion can be seperated from a professional one. When I talk on the boards as having no opinion and not caring...I am speaking professionaly as a moderator. I do not let my personal opinions cloud my activities as a moderator.


Ah...the old "What if they cast a 4 foot tall midget?" question....been waiting for that one to be used again since the SR casting wars, thanks.

Well....I might say that after seeing LORD OF THE RINGS I'd say it could be done. But the real answer to that is....When I say I don't care who is cast as Superman...I am referring to not only the actors that have an actual chance at getting the part...but I am also mainly saying I WILL NOT TAKE SIDES IN ANY OF THE IDIOTIC JUVENILE MY ACTOR IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTOR WARS that overrun these boards. Do you understand that?


No, actually, I don't think you do....or you wouldn't have brought it up.


And what I am talking about isn't about a child attempting to grow or an adult trying to better himself....I am talking about a moderator at a message board site not giving any MY CHOICE FOR THE ROLE faction any kind of presumed loyalty by me to thier choice. I am impartial in the casting wars. If I share something nice about a choice...it's simply because I felt like at that moment sharing something nice. If I say something detrimental about a choice....it's simply because I felt like at that moment to share something detrimental. I can say good or bad about the same choice. Because I don't spend all of my time praising one actor or bashing all others. I do not take sides in the casting wars.



As I have said several times in this particular post and as I have said many many times over the years in all forums on this site.....I have my personal opinions about many things...but rarely share the ones that are being fought over by one fanatical side on here against another. When a casting war or the like starts in any particular characters forum...I don't take sides. I am too old have too much other things to do than worry that I like actor A and you like actor B.

It's reall funny. Depending on who you ask...I love Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....or I hate Welling, Routh, Caville, etc.....because I stop fights among the posters here who feel they have to defend thier choices to the death. If someone attacks a Welling defender and I call him down...well, I'm obviously a Welling lover. Then when they attack Caville because obviously I'm a Welling defender and come down on them for attacking that guy...well now I'm obviously a Caville lover. The idea of being impartial and unbiased is such a mystery to so many posters here.
C. Lee there is nothing wrong with someone admitting they are partial about something. It's fun to be a fan and get excited and pull for a certain actor. I understand that it gets annoying listening to younger posters fight but it is fairly harmless. If your grandchild came up to you and asked who you think would make a great Superman, do you say you don't really care? Kids ask all kinds of questions and as good older adults we try and provide them with answers and wisdom. Why does this matter? Well often they ask us questions about things we've rarely or never thought about but we do our best to give an answer anyways. So when it comes to something that we know and care deeply about, it would be strange to be impartial when we have opinions of the littlest things.

Also I really don't see the correlation between age(maturity) and impartiality. A casting agent can easily be over 60 years old with a wealth of experience and be very partial to whom they cast. People are usually impartial to things they know little about. A child may be impartial to who wins the election but an adult rarely will if they know what that candidate stands for. Imo people are just having fun here. Maybe when you are 60 you can look back at all this and smile. I'll be smiling with you. :yay:
I can tell that this is going to go nicely. :O

[GreenKToo]

He has a point tho...He has to be impartial. That said, I never understood folks getting all worked up over an actor that a few want for the role, especially so when that actor hasn't even been mentioned by those in charge of casting. Yeah, it's kool and fun to make suggestions, but not to the point of being fanatical about it.

I could kinda see it if a casting list with 5 or 6 names had been released and folks then picked their favorite from it, but we don't know squat yet about anything.
It's like (some) posters just know their fav choice will be ''the man'' or something and everyone elses choices suck..

Right now, pretty much any submitted name for supes is just as likely to get the role as another (within reason that is).

[Superman2007]

Wow... just... wow. Talk about leaving out all reason and facts in order to awkwardly, feebly patch together the shell of an argument. Fox News should hire you, man.

You forgot to mention that after Batman, Bale landed a Terrence Malick film and played the lead in The Prestige and 3:10 To Yuma, followed by a Batman sequel, Terminator, Public Enemies, and now The Fighter, where he'll be nominated for an Oscar. I think Routh turned down working with Terrence Malick, hahaha! Malick was beating down Routh's door, but Routh was like, "No, no. I'm waiting to make a cameo in Zack and Miri Make a Porno."

And after Iron Man, Downey Jr. became arguably the most sought-after actor in Hollywood and was attached to big films aside from playing leads in Tropic Thunder, The Soloist, and Sherlock Holmes, one of which earned him an Oscar nomination. I bet Routh's Oscar nomination will come soon, though, after he turns one of his "leading man" roles where he has 10 minutes of screen time into a showstopper, LOLOLOLOLOL!

I'm sure that after Superman Returns Routh was flooded with offers that his agent turned down in order to keep his schedule clear, HAHAHA! "No, I'm sorry, Mr. Routh can't do your movie, the Superman sequel starts shooting 2 years from now, we're waiting for that." HAHAHAHA! Were Bale's and Downey's agents worried about keeping their schedules clear for Iron Man 2 and The Dark Knight, hahahahaha!

The pathetic blindness of Routh fans never fails to astonish me. Oh, wait, I spoke too soon, let's debate the phrase "leading man" LOL! I agree, please just cast this part already so that on this board the name Routh means the same thing it means everywhere else in the world: nothing.
Did you miss the part where I said IFBale had only been in the Machinist and Terminator Salvation his stature as a "leading man" would not be apparent. Clearly you're mis-characterizing my point to make it sound ridiculous, which is actually...quint-essential Fox News.

Oh, and Routh did get offers and the majority of them came before Superman Returns came out. Do you really think stars only receive and sign offers after the film they've completed has been released? Of course not! It's the reason why that kid from The Last Airbender is going to be starring in Cowboys & Aliens. Do you think Favreau would've put him in Cowboys & Aliens after seeing The Last Airbender?

Simply put, if Routh and his agent had made better choices with the roles he took, it would've served him better. Working on better films with better directors and better scripts would've been more beneficial to his career.

That's my point and if you want to create straw-man arguments to bulldoze over, that's up to you. It'll only make you sound like you have no idea what you're talking, but, again, be my guest.

And I'm not just a Routh fan, I actually think Cavil would be the best choice for the role.

[C. Lee]

C. Lee there is nothing wrong with someone admitting they are partial about something. It's fun to be a fan and get excited and pull for a certain actor. I understand that it gets annoying listening to younger posters fight but it is fairly harmless. If your grandchild came up to you and asked who you think would make a great Superman, do you say you don't really care? Kids ask all kinds of questions and as good older adults we try and provide them with answers and wisdom. Why does this matter? Well often they ask us questions about things we've rarely or never thought about but we do our best to give an answer anyways. So when it comes to something that we know and care deeply about, it would be strange to be impartial when we have opinions of the littlest things.

Also I really don't see the correlation between age(maturity) and impartiality. A casting agent can easily be over 60 years old with a wealth of experience and be very partial to whom they cast. People are usually impartial to things they know little about. A child may be impartial to who wins the election but an adult rarely will if they know what that candidate stands for. Imo people are just having fun here. Maybe when you are 60 you can look back at all this and smile. I'll be smiling with you. :yay:
Well....you didn't read my post too closely did you?

I'll state it again.

I...am...impartial...and...have...no...preference. ..AS...A...MODERATOR.

What part of my post explaining that I have to be impartial to help keep the fan wars from getting nasty did you not understand? I said that I have my opinions...but do not sxpress them on the boards to keep impartial. If you can't figure out that there is a difference between a kid walking up to me at home and asking who I want to be Superman and an obsessed fanboy on the Hype asking me in the WHO SHOULD BE SUPERMAN thread....then you have some trouble with your cogniative abilities.

As to what age and maturity have to do with it...well, apparently as a an older more mature individual I can seperate my personal feelings and opinions at home from my professional duty as a moderator at the Hype. If I see someone make a stupid abusive remark about the actor or people who like the actor that I personally have a preferrence for....I do the exact same thing that I do when I see someone make a stupid abusive remark about an actor or the fans of the actor that I absolutely hate for the roll....I simply warn them to not make an abusive post about anyone. I do NOT go off on a rant about how my choice is the bestest in teh whole wide world and anyone who thinks different is a doodyhead.

Can you not see the difference in this? I am a moderator here who tries to keep the peace between several warring factions....my personal opinion on what actor should or could play a role in a movie DO NOT COME INTO PLAY. I can be impartial in my job. I'm truely sorry that you have such trouble understanding such a simple concept.

[C. Lee]

Wow... just... wow. Talk about leaving out all reason and facts in order to awkwardly, feebly patch together the shell of an argument. Fox News should hire you, man.

You forgot to mention that after Batman, Bale landed a Terrence Malick film and played the lead in The Prestige and 3:10 To Yuma, followed by a Batman sequel, Terminator, Public Enemies, and now The Fighter, where he'll be nominated for an Oscar. I think Routh turned down working with Terrence Malick, hahaha! Malick was beating down Routh's door, but Routh was like, "No, no. I'm waiting to make a cameo in Zack and Miri Make a Porno."

And after Iron Man, Downey Jr. became arguably the most sought-after actor in Hollywood and was attached to big films aside from playing leads in Tropic Thunder, The Soloist, and Sherlock Holmes, one of which earned him an Oscar nomination. I bet Routh's Oscar nomination will come soon, though, after he turns one of his "leading man" roles where he has 10 minutes of screen time into a showstopper, LOLOLOLOLOL!

I'm sure that after Superman Returns Routh was flooded with offers that his agent turned down in order to keep his schedule clear, HAHAHA! "No, I'm sorry, Mr. Routh can't do your movie, the Superman sequel starts shooting 2 years from now, we're waiting for that." HAHAHAHA! Were Bale's and Downey's agents worried about keeping their schedules clear for Iron Man 2 and The Dark Knight, hahahahaha!

The pathetic blindness of Routh fans never fails to astonish me. Oh, wait, I spoke too soon, let's debate the phrase "leading man" LOL! I agree, please just cast this part already so that on this board the name Routh means the same thing it means everywhere else in the world: nothing.

For those who haven't been able to understand my talking about me being impartial and not caring who gets the role of Superman....take the above post into consideration. If as a moderator I had in anyway enthusiasticly backed Routh for the role....posters like the above one would complain of bias on my part when I had to warn him to calm down and drink some decaf.

On the other hand...if I had enthusiactly backed the actor the above poster backs....then if someone took offense at the above posters post and attacked him for his rabid talk, THEY would call bias on my part for warning them.

BUT...as I have repeatedly stated....I don't join in the fan wars casting wars suit wars....I am an impartial observer who keeps the peace.

[DorkyFresh]

would you guys just let C. Lee do his job? sheesh...

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle...
he has a good look, but it's too fratty for my tastes. he looks like Superman if he were gonna pull pranks of people at random times.

[Antonello Blueberry]

You forgot to mention that after Batman, Bale landed a Terrence Malick film and played the lead in The Prestige and 3:10 To Yuma, followed by a Batman sequel, Terminator, Public Enemies, and now The Fighter, where he'll be nominated for an Oscar. I think Routh turned down working with Terrence Malick, hahaha! Malick was beating down Routh's door, but Routh was like, "No, no. I'm waiting to make a cameo in Zack and Miri Make a Porno."

And after Iron Man, Downey Jr. became arguably the most sought-after actor in Hollywood and was attached to big films aside from playing leads in Tropic Thunder, The Soloist, and Sherlock Holmes, one of which earned him an Oscar nomination.
You seem to forget that Bale started acting when he was 10 and at 12 he was the lead in a Steven Spielberg movie; Downey too started acting at 5 and was an Oscar nominated actor for Chaplin back in 1993, years before he landed the Iron Man role. They were established actors well before being cast as superheroes.
If Jake Gyllenhaal had been cast as Superman (and he was close to be) his career would have been good anyway. Probably.
But half of the suggestions being made here are for actors far worse than Brandon Routh. Jason Lewis? Come on...

[ALP]

I doubt Routh is ever going to have a big career. Chances of him being a Bale or Downey are slim to none, has hasn't proven himself. See, Christopher Reeve was a bit similar to Routh. Reeve's filmorgraphy is incredibly skimpy... the difference is that he made Superman his own. He defined the character for generations of people. Superman was the only role Reeve needed because he was so iconic, he will forever be ingrained in cinema history. Routh has not done this as Superman and since there's a 99% chance he won't be returning, he won't get a chance to.

[Midnight Black]

You seem to forget that Bale started acting when he was 10 and at 12 he was the lead in a Steven Spielberg movie; Downey too started acting at 5 and was an Oscar nominated actor for Chaplin back in 1993, years before he landed the Iron Man role. They were established actors well before being cast as superheroes.
If Jake Gyllenhaal had been cast as Superman (and he was close to be) his career would have been good anyway. Probably.
But half of the suggestions being made here are for actors far worse than Brandon Routh. Jason Lewis? Come on...

Jason Lewis was mentioned as an option for He-Man or Capt. A NOT Superman. Please read the full conversation before you comment.

Oh and I don't know if there is a casting for other roles in a new superman, but if they decide Courtney Cox is too mature to play Lois Lane, then my vote is for Rachel McAdams.

She has the look, and feisty attitude needed for Lois Lane.

[Strider14]

I doubt Routh is ever going to have a big career. Chances of him being a Bale or Downey are slim to none, has hasn't proven himself. See, Christopher Reeve was a bit similar to Routh. Reeve's filmorgraphy is incredibly skimpy... the difference is that he made Superman his own. He defined the character for generations of people. Superman was the only role Reeve needed because he was so iconic, he will forever be ingrained in cinema history. Routh has not done this as Superman and since there's a 99% chance he won't be returning, he won't get a chance to.

Reeve's filmography wasn't anything extraordinary, but it was pretty solid. Somewhere In Time will always be one of my favorite "chick flicks". :woot: I never did care for Reeve as Superman, but that's just me and I know I am in a minority. Though Reeve didn't have that many great films, he was still a solid actor. I don't see Routh ever having a lead role where he will be credited for delivering a great performance. He just doesn't have the acting chops.

[HighFivingMF]

I doubt Routh is ever going to have a big career. Chances of him being a Bale or Downey are slim to none, has hasn't proven himself. See, Christopher Reeve was a bit similar to Routh. Reeve's filmorgraphy is incredibly skimpy... the difference is that he made Superman his own. He defined the character for generations of people. Superman was the only role Reeve needed because he was so iconic, he will forever be ingrained in cinema history. Routh has not done this as Superman and since there's a 99% chance he won't be returning, he won't get a chance to.
Reeve could have been huge, he turned down Lethal Weapon, Pretty Woman, Romancing the Stone, Fatal Attraction, and American Gigolo. He wasn't interested in big action movies and felt the roles could have been filled by anyone with a strong physique. I guess he wasn't looking for a big career, just roles he liked and I can respect that.

While on the topic of Reeve: I don't care what anyone says, I love he and John Carpenter's version of Village of the Damned and his episode of Tales From The Crypt is definitely in my top 3 episodes.

[C. Lee]

I remember an old interview where Reeve said he wanted acting roles not action hero ones.

[Puckenstein]

I remember an old interview where Reeve said he wanted acting roles not action hero ones.

Which is why he turned down The Running Man.

[Midnight Black]

Reeve's filmography wasn't anything extraordinary, but it was pretty solid. Somewhere In Time will always be one of my favorite "chick flicks". :woot: I never did care for Reeve as Superman, but that's just me and I know I am in a minority. Though Reeve didn't have that many great films, he was still a solid actor. I don't see Routh ever having a lead role where he will be credited for delivering a great performance. He just doesn't have the acting chops.

That's because Reeve was a theatre actor more so than a television/film actor. His motivation for picking roles with substance over fame and fortune was from his training and passion. He was in an ensemble cast film with a bunch of well known others where they were putting on a play, a show within a show. It was funny and showed off Reeve's theater and comedic chops. I saw it when I was a kid, and probably only watched it at first because "Superman" was in it, but the whole cast made it funny and it was nice to see Reeve in a performance in no way similar to Superman.

Yes, you are in a minority alright, only about 1%. He may not have the chops now, but he may in a year, five, ten who knows. All actors have to start somewhere. I've taken acting classes and will again next semester. It's no walk in the park. I commend him for getting where he is thus far. But who knows what he can do given the chance. He may be a future award winner before we know it.

Reeve could have been huge, he turned down Lethal Weapon, Pretty Woman, Romancing the Stone, Fatal Attraction, and American Gigolo. He wasn't interested in big action movies and felt the roles could have been filled by anyone with a strong physique. I guess he wasn't looking for a big career, just roles he liked and I can respect that.

While on the topic of Reeve: I don't care what anyone says, I love he and John Carpenter's version of Village of the Damned and his episode of Tales From The Crypt is definitely in my top 3 episodes.

Yeah, he was definitely about the art and passion. I'm with you Village of the Damned was good. He was older and more removed from Superman IMO. He still looked the part, but didn't hit me as Superman. I vaguely remember the Tales from the Crypt episode he was in, I was in middle school back then lol.

[Midnight Black]

Which is why he turned down The Running Man.

That would've been interesting to see him in that role giving everyone the Superman stare down lol. I think Jean Claude turned that down too, or was doing another film at the time. D*mn, thinking about it Chris Reeve could have been one of the top action stars and actors if he had taken some of those roles.

[Man of Steel]

I'm still pro-Routh.

[daywalker2007]

In the 2nd pic he looks exactly like Reeve.

exactly right. he looks just like reeve its mind boggling. he looks more like reeve than Routh does!

[AntMan]

If Snyder thinks Routh is the best man for the job, I would be fine with a recast. I would hope if Routh comes back that they go the Star Trek route. That way Routh is back, but it's an alternate universe so no Donnerverse. That's the only way I would be ok with it.

[Strider14]

He may not have the chops now, but he may in a year, five, ten who knows. All actors have to start somewhere. I've taken acting classes and will again next semester. It's no walk in the park. I commend him for getting where he is thus far. But who knows what he can do given the chance. He may be a future award winner before we know it.


Well, I will go on record to say I really doubt that, but if he does, all the power to him. I taught television and film acting back in my younger days (the days of Christopher Reeve) and I had students who could act circles around what I have seen from Routh. I just don't see it. The trailer for Dylan Dog makes him look just terrible in showing any kind of range of emotion. I guess time will tell. We all have different tastes and it's all subjective. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

Reeve may have turned down some now well known roles but whos to say the films would have been as big with him in the lead...we'll never know.
I mean really, can you see him being just as good as Richard Gere in Pretty Woman or Arnold in the Running Man. Those guys MADE those films.

Tom Selleck turned down Raiders of the Lost ark, think it would have been as good without Ford?
I'm in no way dissing reeve, I love the man, but thinking those films would be the classics they are today with reeve in the lead is like saying S:TM would be the classic it is now if nolte or redford had gotten it instead. again, we will never know.

[Astrodust]

It would help things move smoothly if you actually read some posts and knew who you were talking to and what you were talking about.

Someone ELSE mentioned conducting random questioning on the streets....I spoke of asking family members during Thanksgiving. I have conducted surveys in the past....as part of my role as a moderator on this site. That's something I do to help pass info on to the boss.

I don't live in a dream world because if you had actually read any of my past posts, you would have seen that I have repeatedly said I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHO IS PICKED FOR THE ROLE. I'm not for any one particular actor...I don't endorse any one particular actor, I don't diss any one particular actor...I don't care.

I'm always thinking of the next movie...that's my job here. I'm not obsessed with praising or complaining about any actor, character, comic company, movie studio or whatever. I am impartial.

You can see how I misunderstood. I understand a mod needs to remain neutral and not take sides. Truly impartial and not taking sides are two different things. Your earlier post mentions nothing about your role as a mod to remain impartial. By the way your posts come across kind of angry. Several times you've gone out of your way to insult other people's intelligence saying things like they have trouble with their cognitive abilities or you don't understand do you? You could easily respond without adding those little pokes but you choose not to. Maybe you are having a bad day but your posts seem to be consistently negative. Hard to keep things fun when you are adding fuel to the fire as well.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I wonder if they will offer the lead role in the Running Man remake to Brandon Routh...

[JamalYIgle]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


http://i56.tinypic.com/90admr.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg

He's got a good look buuut... he's only 6 feet tall and since people complain about Dean Cain etc. I don't think he's in the running.

[KalMart]

He's got a good look buuut... he's only 6 feet tall and since people complain about Dean Cain etc. I don't think he's in the running.

I think the issues over Dean Cain were more centered around him as Superman than him as Clark...or at least the direction of the show which made it so. That, and the fact that he looked Hawaiian. :O

[Superman2007]

He's got a good look buuut... he's only 6 feet tall and since people complain about Dean Cain etc. I don't think he's in the running.
Yep, unless they just decide to make Superman short like in Superman Earth one. Van Winkle, will not be viable.
Look at how short he looks here:

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/84720950.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548FDC4BE1B135E6CB1 C4B396CA9779265D8B3E657917949583E30A760B0D811297

[That-Guy]

Damn... think about Reeve in The Running Man... that would have been awesome, IMO. I liked Arnold in that movie but the problem with Arnold is that every time he's in a movie, he just seems TOO unstoppable and unkillable. You know that no bad guy has any real chance. I guess the same could be said about any action hero, but Arnold in particular is like the icon for that sort of thing, whereas I think Reeve could have pulled off an everyman better (even though he was also a big, strong guy).

Oh, well.

[Lobo]

I thought Van Winkle is 6'1,and anyway Padalecki is very tall like 6'4 or maybe a bit taller.

Also as I've not read Earth One how short is Supes in that? Is it specified or is it simply that he is not drawn towering over people?

[C. Lee]

Remember people...this thread is for you to say who you want to be the next Superman...not for saying rude things about the people who have a different opinion.

[C. Lee]

And then people like me can come in and make you look stupid so, for the future, I would avoid making those kind of arguments.

And then people like me....come in and tell people like you.....that being obnoxious, rude, and skipping on down that old Troll Lane is a very bad way to go around here. So, for the future, YOU should avoid making those kind of posts in the future.

[Slamet]

HENRY CAVILL FOR SUPERMAN!

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k613/female_earth/MySupermancopycopy.jpg?t=1292557748

[DorkyFresh]

Cavill looks great in that picture...


...but i'm still hoping Spencer Conway gets the role.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1398.snc4/165046_179947738691412_161122837240569_566916_4076 006_n.jpghttp://l5.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-snc4/hs049.snc4/34804_179947862024733_161122837240569_566917_55790 73_n.jpg

[Midnight Black]

Well, I will go on record to say I really doubt that, but if he does, all the power to him. I taught television and film acting back in my younger days (the days of Christopher Reeve) and I had students who could act circles around what I have seen from Routh. I just don't see it. The trailer for Dylan Dog makes him look just terrible in showing any kind of range of emotion. I guess time will tell. We all have different tastes and it's all subjective. :yay:


Yeah, maybe he is not working hard enough or possibly just can't express emotion in his performance that well yet. Either way, I don't think it's fair to say that he can or won't be a good actor.

Rachel McAdams for Lois!!!

[Lone]

Yeah, Dorky..I'm rooting for him too. Seems like a genuinely nice guy in real life as well and I think that is important for whoever gets the role.

IMO, the role of Superman is like being Miss Universe. Can't have Superman being played by a hard partying doucher off screen.

[Kokomo29]

Judging by Snyder's previous two comic book movies, I have faith that he'll pick someone who at least looks the part.

[hopefuldreamer]

You don't agree with my post. Why am I NOT surprised.

I said I am impartial. I said I don't care who gets the part. But unfortuantly I said something nice about Routh. It doesn't matter to you that I said it as an impartial observer. It doesn't matter to you that as an impartial observer I actually conducted a survey and got the results I reported. I didn't say what I said because I am a Routh supporter. I didn't say what I said because I loved SUPERMAN RETURNS. But all that does not matter to you does it.

I have shown no bias one way or the other about any actor that can be considered for the role of Superman in the next movie. You have a giant banner praising Caville for the role. So....which one of us has the more credibility when it comes to the post of mine that you disagree with?

I can understand that your on the defensive because of other posters responses, but really, nothing in my post said anything about bias... and I personally really like Routh, so the hostility seems a bit OTT.

I don't know why your suggesting it's typical for me not to agree with you... i don't recall ever having had a run in with you before (as i don't tend to have debates with mods).

All i did was present my opinion that I think most people 'on the street' when asked would say the special effects were the best thing about returns. If i'd known that saying ANYTHING that remotely disagreed with you would be met with what I can only describe as a tantrum, I wouldn't have bothered acknowledging your post at all.

Apologies for being so blunt, but I really don't feel like I deserved to be talked down too the way you did, for what was a decent and non personal post.

I completely appreciate that you are impartial. I didn't know you had conducted survey's, that's very interesting though. I may very well conduct some myself, (I am over in England so it'd be interesting to see the differences). But does the fact that your are impartial and have done surveys mean i'm not allowed to have an opposing opinion?

Here is a copy of my post. Perhaps you can highlight was part of it warranted this reaction?

Personally I don't know anyone who would say BR was one of the best things about the movie, who isn't a fan of some description.

Most random people on the street would remember the effects. If you asked them what the best thing about Superman Returns was, they're more likely to say 'That scene with the plane was pretty cool' or 'ah yeah when he got shot in the eye, that was awesome' than 'The guy who played him was a really good actor'.

It's mostly amongst fans that BR is considered the best thing about SR... which IMO he is, I thought he played a great Superman for what the movie was, and he had a charisma that fit with the tone of the movie as a whole.

In fairness, most of the people I know wouldn't remember much about the movie at all... which actually makes me happy, because the less memorable it was, the easier it will be for us to almost pretend it never happened once the new film is out :p

Again I ask, where have I said anything about YOU being biased?

Anyway, as I said, you've been being hounded so no one can blame you for being sensitive. I think, from my few months on this forum, that you are a very fair and impartial mod, and poster. Just don't want you to misunderstand and negatively judge me as a poster.

[JAK®]

Judging by Snyder's previous two comic book movies, I have faith that he'll pick someone who at least looks the part.And act as well. Snyder's been pretty good at that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I thought Van Winkle is 6'1,and anyway Padalecki is very tall like 6'4 or maybe a bit taller.

Also as I've not read Earth One how short is Supes in that? Is it specified or is it simply that he is not drawn towering over people?Earth One Superman according to JMS is about 6'0 or 6'1. He wanted to make Superman shorter and smaller in size in order to be more realistic but yet still imposing. Which is understandable and if they use the Earth One story line then a lot of these people can work for Superman even Boomer.

[C. Lee]

I can understand that your on the defensive because of other posters responses, but really, nothing in my post said anything about bias... and I personally really like Routh, so the hostility seems a bit OTT.
It was repeatedly being said I couldn't be unbiased on my postings...and then you made a post that I felt also questioned it, but I will get into that in another part of this response.

I don't know why your suggesting it's typical for me not to agree with you... i don't recall ever having had a run in with you before (as i don't tend to have debates with mods).
I didn't say or suggest that it was typical of you to disagree with me. I said I was not surprised that you were questioning my post where I had said something nice about Brandon Routh. You have a very large banner backing Cavill in your signature and made several comments against him and his SR movie in your post. You appeared to be an anti-Routh poster joining in with the other anti-Routh poster to question my honesty.

All i did was present my opinion that I think most people 'on the street' when asked would say the special effects were the best thing about returns. If i'd known that saying ANYTHING that remotely disagreed with you would be met with what I can only describe as a tantrum, I wouldn't have bothered acknowledging your post at all.
Your post questioning my results of a poll came after I had previously stated that I had conducted such polls. So to me, you were questioning my honesty as well as my ability to be unbiased or neutral. Your post came after several posts by the other poster who was quite obviously anti-Routh and unable to understand or accept that I could be unbiased in my modding, and as I just said appeared to be another anti-Routh poster accusing me of lying and not able to be unbiased.

Apologies for being so blunt, but I really don't feel like I deserved to be talked down too the way you did, for what was a decent and non personal post.
I apologise back to you if I offended you. I'm hoping my explanations in here will help get all points straight between us.

I completely appreciate that you are impartial. I didn't know you had conducted survey's, that's very interesting though. I may very well conduct some myself, (I am over in England so it'd be interesting to see the differences). But does the fact that your are impartial and have done surveys mean i'm not allowed to have an opposing opinion?
An opposing opinion is one thing...to sat that my results from a survey are wrong is another.

Here is a copy of my post. Perhaps you can highlight was part of it warranted this reaction?I will answer with bolded responses in your quote.
Personally I don't know anyone who would say BR was one of the best things about the movie, who isn't a fan of some description.
I had given the results of my survey....and you were saying I was wrong with my results.
Most random people on the street would remember the effects. If you asked them what the best thing about Superman Returns was, they're more likely to say 'That scene with the plane was pretty cool' or 'ah yeah when he got shot in the eye, that was awesome' than 'The guy who played him was a really good actor'.
As I had said...I had conducted a survey and I reported my result that the majority of people had said that Routh was the best thing about the movie. And yet you are basicly saying I am wrong or lying. You do not say that the result of a survey you made was different...you said that in your opinion a result would be different. Since I had given the result I had recieved and you said you believed it would be different...how am I supposed to take that as anything but that I am lying?
It's mostly amongst fans that BR is considered the best thing about SR... which IMO he is, I thought he played a great Superman for what the movie was, and he had a charisma that fit with the tone of the movie as a whole.

In fairness, most of the people I know wouldn't remember much about the movie at all...
Then why question my results? If you don't think most people would remember much about the movie at all....why is the fact that some I asked remembered Routh being the best thing questionable unless you were questioning my honesty in reporting it?
which actually makes me happy, because the less memorable it was, the easier it will be for us to almost pretend it never happened once the new film is out

Again I ask, where have I said anything about YOU being biased?
When I happened to have said something nice about Routh (something I haven't commented on in any one way or the other for a long time) and I am immediatedly beset by posters (who have either through thier general posting or by thier signatures) shown a preferrence against him and they start questioning my ability to be unbiased and my honesty.....how else am I supposed to take this?

Anyway, as I said, you've been being hounded so no one can blame you for being sensitive. I think, from my few months on this forum, that you are a very fair and impartial mod, and poster. Just don't want you to misunderstand and negatively judge me as a poster.

As you said in your post...you are fairly new here. I have been here for a long time. You would not believe the stuff that has been said in this forum over the years. The casting wars between the backers of one actor or another have been long, mean, rude, crude, and generally very nasty. The other poster that started this debate is a shining example of the type of rude totally blinded by his hatred fanboy that I have dealt with for many years. I again apologise if I offended you with my response...but I hope you now understand why it was posssible for me to see you as a "comrade" of his at that moment when you joined in on questioning the results of a survey I had actually conducted.


And just to clarify some more...I do not either back or diss Routh for the role...I had simply made a statement where I said something nice about him and was immediately beset by anti-Routh people about that comment. That is an example of why many people do not even want to participate in here.

[Lobo]

Earth One Superman according to JMS is about 6'0 or 6'1. He wanted to make Superman shorter and smaller in size in order to be more realistic but yet still imposing. Which is understandable and if they use the Earth One story line then a lot of these people can work for Superman even Boomer.

Thanks. I'm definitely going to pick it up sooner or later.

[sf2]

cavill is very good looking. but he still looks boyish to me.

routh is still the man! (he looks mature enough now)

[sf2]

Cavill looks great in that picture...


...but i'm still hoping Spencer Conway gets the role.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1398.snc4/165046_179947738691412_161122837240569_566916_4076 006_n.jpghttp://l5.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-snc4/hs049.snc4/34804_179947862024733_161122837240569_566917_55790 73_n.jpg
i like it. seems good.

[DaJanksta]

HENRY CAVILL FOR SUPERMAN!

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k613/female_earth/MySupermancopycopy.jpg?t=1292557748


Nice.

[Strider14]

That image of Cavill just screams "metrosexual" to me and I just don't want the Man of Steel to look metrosexual. That's just me.

Like I have said before, I don't have an absolute favorite, but I definitely know who I don't want to see as Superman. Spencer Conway is on my list of favorites and I am hoping they go with a true unknown whoever it may be.

[JAK®]

I would never have said Cavill looked metrosexual.

[HighFivingMF]

That image of Cavill just screams "metrosexual" to me and I just don't want the Man of Steel to look metrosexual. That's just me.

Like I have said before, I don't have an absolute favorite, but I definitely know who I don't want to see as Superman. Spencer Conway is on my list of favorites and I am hoping they go with a true unknown whoever it may be.
Sure you aren't thinking of Bomer?

[Strider14]

Sure you aren't thinking of Bomer?

I am looking right at Cavill's image above. :cwink: No confusion for me. Actually, both of them have that metrosexual look to them. Cavill in real life is known to come across as less than masculine at times and that comes across to me in many of his images. We all have our different perspectives and ways of seeing things.

On another note, word is they are going to shoot the film in Vancouver. That ought to lend to lots of speculation in the casting. :cwink:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/next-superman-film-to-be-shot-in-vancouver-sources/article1841715/

[7heBoss]

i dont like when people use reeve's hair on manips. its an ugly hair style. cavill is my top choice but not with that horrible spit curl.

[DaJanksta]

i dont like when people use reeve's hair on manips. its an ugly hair style. cavill is my top choice but not with that horrible spit curl.
I think Reeve had the best superman hair.

[JAK®]

People use Reeve's hair because it's incredibly difficult to manip hair into a different style and so far Reeve has had the best Superman hair out of all the actors.

[Parker Wayne]

I would never have said Cavill looked metrosexual.

He doesn't look metrosexual at all.

[BH/HHH]

I really hope we hear something soon, its getting unbearable. maybe we should predict how many pages this thread will get to before Superman is cast

[ChickenScratch]

I'm sure when the casting does happen it will just turn into another round of *****ing and moaning. Personally I really don't care anymore. Not like any of us have a say in it so really I just have a wait and see attitude.

[RalphD]

People use Reeve's hair because it's incredibly difficult to manip hair into a different style and so far Reeve has had the best Superman hair out of all the actors.

It's tricky indeed. Here's my attempt piecing together my favorite manips with a more natural hairstyle and favorite colors for the suit:

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

I was rooting for an older Superman, but Cavill is the next best choice.

(I hope the other authors will forgive me. :woot:)

[Midnight Black]

i dont like when people use reeve's hair on manips. its an ugly hair style. cavill is my top choice but not with that horrible spit curl.


^^ Nice job Ralph D. I like Reeve's hair too. It fit the time, and was the best on a live action Superman without being so blantantly obvious that it was purposely styled.

However, I am not for the spit curl anymore. It's the 21st Century, no spit curl! Give the man an imposing hair cut and look. I mean would you really be intimidated by a man with a spit curl. Yeah, he is the boyscout and his look is a subtle play at irony for the strength and power he poses, but I still don't want to see it. I hated that Routh had it! Even though Stinger was trying to mix the Reeves and Reeve versions of Supes I hated it with a passion.

[GreenKToo]

Not to be a smart a$$ but the hair is the least of my worries.

[Midnight Black]

Not to be a smart a$$ but the hair is the least of my worries.

LOL...see that's the talk which leads to Superman having a blonde mullet LOL.:woot:

[I Am The Knight]

And act as well. Snyder's been pretty good at that.

I'm sorry, I was too distracted by the pwetty pictures.

[GreenKToo]

Lol, i'm just saying snyder knows what supes hair is supposed to look like...i'm more worried about who gets the role than I am his do....
I understand tho, lack of news leads to all kinds of speculation and talk.

[Lead Cenobite]

LOL...see that's the talk which leads to Superman having a blonde mullet LOL.:woot:

Or atleast a mullet.

[Astrodust]

I can understand that your on the defensive because of other posters responses, but really, nothing in my post said anything about bias... and I personally really like Routh, so the hostility seems a bit OTT.

I don't know why your suggesting it's typical for me not to agree with you... i don't recall ever having had a run in with you before (as i don't tend to have debates with mods).

All i did was present my opinion that I think most people 'on the street' when asked would say the special effects were the best thing about returns. If i'd known that saying ANYTHING that remotely disagreed with you would be met with what I can only describe as a tantrum, I wouldn't have bothered acknowledging your post at all.

Apologies for being so blunt, but I really don't feel like I deserved to be talked down too the way you did, for what was a decent and non personal post.

I completely appreciate that you are impartial. I didn't know you had conducted survey's, that's very interesting though. I may very well conduct some myself, (I am over in England so it'd be interesting to see the differences). But does the fact that your are impartial and have done surveys mean i'm not allowed to have an opposing opinion?

Here is a copy of my post. Perhaps you can highlight was part of it warranted this reaction?



Again I ask, where have I said anything about YOU being biased?

Anyway, as I said, you've been being hounded so no one can blame you for being sensitive. I think, from my few months on this forum, that you are a very fair and impartial mod, and poster. Just don't want you to misunderstand and negatively judge me as a poster.


I got negatively responded by C. Lee as well. Some people are a little temperamental and defensive. Throw 2 of those people together and you get an argument. Not saying either of you are wrong, but probably better to just go back talking about casting. It's more fun anyways.

[Astrodust]

I wonder what the latest date possible before we hear about who is cast. Leave it too late and they might not get the actor they want. And it's hard to surround the main star with the right cast if you don't know who is starring. Also the actor has to have time to prepare for the role as well. Filming starts in the summer, I'm guessing about June. I say they need to lock someone down by mid-Feb.

[DorkyFresh]

Snyder, cast Spencer please...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs118.snc4/36265_180170218669164_161122837240569_568158_72529 05_n.jpg

...thank you.

[Midnight Black]

I got negatively responded by C. Lee as well. Some people are a little temperamental and defensive. Throw 2 of those people together and you get an argument. Not saying either of you are wrong, but probably better to just go back talking about casting. It's more fun anyways.

Or they can always go do something better like hang out with their girlfriends/wives...Oh wait this is SHH, that doesn't it exist jst/kddng lol:awesome:.

Fan boys will be fan boys. C. Lee let them have at it a little, I'm tired of hearing about Cavill anyway lol.

[KrypJonian]

Holy crap!

I got sucked into reading the last 10 or so pages of this thread and I thought I was having some Superman Returns acid flashback going on....

Can't wait for official news on casting. Would make a great christmas present...

[DorkyFresh]

chill bro...it's not like he's feeling on himself. in fact, i think it's rather artfully done. it almost reminds me of the Discobolus of Myron (Greek statue of a discus thrower).

[SrsBsns]

I don't think we will have too much longer to wait. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if we start hearing some names anyday now.
If you guys that were here for SR remember, we had a whole lot of names swirling around before routh's name finally surfaced.

The truth right here.

Lol Routh hadn't even come up in the forums when he was cast. God I hope that happens again. The immediate reaction of the fans can be quite hilarious.

[klark cent]

Suggested elsewhere....Travis Van Winkle....


http://i56.tinypic.com/90admr.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykdpux.jpg


I'm new here (long-time lurker/first-time poster) and I'm sharing my quick manip of TVW using the posted pics. If no Routhboot then IMHO he's a strong contender for a modern day CK if ever Snyder is utilizing some Earth1 elements in his version of Superman...When in uniform, he looks between a Gary Frank Superman and a Jim Lee Superman...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5270691056_335cffb30e.jpg

Furthermore, he's got some clips in YouTube aside from his regular 'douchebag'/comic-prankster stereotype:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJWjwrHb20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iztd5_Fz42A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4mUyleg98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4mUyleg98)

TVW for the win!

-KC-

[DorkyFresh]

TVW looks great in stills, but funny enough i find him less appealing in motion. normally it's the opposite. this is a first for me...

[JAK®]

Yeah, I actually find myself liking him less the more I look at him.

[Astrodust]

I'm new here (long-time lurker/first-time poster) and I'm sharing my quick manip of TVW using the posted pics. If no Routhboot then IMHO he's a strong contender for a modern day CK if ever Snyder is utilizing some Earth1 elements in his version of Superman...When in uniform, he looks between a Gary Frank Superman and a Jim Lee Superman...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5270691056_335cffb30e.jpg

Furthermore, he's got some clips in YouTube aside from his regular 'douchebag'/comic-prankster stereotype:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJWjwrHb20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iztd5_Fz42A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4mUyleg98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4mUyleg98)

TVW for the win!


-KC-


Funny he is more appealing in those commercials than his films. I'd say at least give him an audition based on those clips. I guess the negative image I have of him comes from Transformers.

[Micah12345]

Maybe we'll get a christmas day superman casting announcement.

[BH/HHH]

Maybe we'll get a christmas day superman casting announcement.

That'd be awesome but I think we might get a New Years announcement

[Micah12345]

I can't see them getting any work done between christmas and new years, so if they were going to announce something, why not sooner than later?

[klark cent]

Funny he is more appealing in those commercials than his films. I'd say at least give him an audition based on those clips. I guess the negative image I have of him comes from Transformers.

That was my impression of his abilities at first but after seeing those Mad Men ads, I think he's got some latitude that puts him alongside the other top contenders.

If Snyder would want a bit of comedy relief (likely being a family film), he can cast Tom Cruise as Lex Luthor with the role similar to that of Tropic Thunder but with a dash of 'darkness' in him...

http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/les-grossman-tom-cruise.jpg

Cheers!

[GreenKToo]

whoa...no thanx..we've had a dark comedic side to Lex already and it went over like a lead ballon.
That would be as bad as making Die hard 4 PG13. I'm not dissing cruise, I like him, i'm dissing the idea of a comedic Lex.

[daywalker2007]

That was my impression of his abilities at first but after seeing those Mad Men ads, I think he's got some latitude that puts him alongside the other top contenders.

If Snyder would want a bit of comedy relief (likely being a family film), he can cast Tom Cruise as Lex Luthor with the role similar to that of Tropic Thunder but with a dash of 'darkness' in him...

http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/les-grossman-tom-cruise.jpg

Cheers!

come to think of it. Cruise could pull off a Ledger by doing Luthor.
Remember Collateral? Cruise was unbelievable in that film, and was pure evil, especially when he rampaged through the club scene!

Plus, Cruise can do crazy like no other!

Cruise hasn't done a superhero flick, so why not?

[klark cent]

whoa...no thanx..we've had a dark comedic side to Lex already and it went over like a lead ballon.
That would be as bad as making Die hard 4 PG13. I'm not dissing cruise, I like him, i'm dissing the idea of a comedic Lex.

Snyder can always go for an Ed Harris seriousness-quality if need be like how EH had the role of P'd-Off disgruntled General in 'The Rock'.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Rp8L0dDlwng/So7hj9ePiUI/AAAAAAAAC24/wE8a1vxtuh8/s400/Harris,+Ed+-+The+Rock.jpg

... by then, we'll have a more serious tone in the Superman story.

[GreenKToo]

Oh man I dont know..he certainly isnt what I picture when I think of Lex, and I like the guy. I gotta ponder on this.

[klark cent]

come to think of it. Cruise could pull off a Ledger by doing Luthor.
Remember Collateral? Cruise was unbelievable in that film, and was pure evil, especially when he rampaged through the club scene!

Plus, Cruise can do crazy like no other!

Cruise hasn't done a superhero flick, so why not?

TC can pull it off easily (Tropic Thunder crazy with Collateral coldness). I agree with you, he can do a Ledger number on this one without batting a sweat.

To make it interesting, he will be in a support villain role in the story where the main villain can be Braniac for instance. The latter being an artificial intelligence-driven antagonist and takes over the world tech infrastructure esp. in the defense systems industry where he has something like SKYNET-like 'toys' at his disposal and turn it against Supes (on top of his alien weapons systems melded with earth-technology)... and at the end of the story, there will be a touch of Nolan brilliance closely similar to the end of Inception so that people will crave for the next sequel.
FOR EXAMPLE:
Make people think Superman is battling Lex Luthor in the entire movie but at the end it is revealed as Braniac who poses as Luthor to learn and exploit Kal-El's weaknesses :wow: To push the envelope further, here are some of my thoughts for the movie:
Clark starts as Daily Planet gofer, travelling around the globe (pre-Jimmy Olsen) snapping photos of important events (and doing secret rescues) for Lois Lane's article. One event leads Clark to confront a devastation of a village by some unknown mechanized beings. He manages to defeat them but in return the arch-villain is alerted that they found the Kryptonian they had been looking for (intro Lex Luthor --- the fake one but revealed in the end of the story). During the course of the movie, Clark manages to piece things together (there might be flashbacks of Superman history) and found out the source of the problem, which lead to an epic battle... Superman at the end defeats the fake-Luthor/BRANIAC infrastructure (e.g. Fake-LL/B is an established defense contractor for black ops and has unlimited robotic weapons at his disposal) and Supes rescues some humans imprisoned by Fake-LL/B inside several life-preservation-pods along with the real Luthor that BRANIAC impersonated while he was in the process of hunting the lone Kryptonian survivor in Earth (the rescue scene will be near the end of the movie and this is the only moment the audience will see the real and very grateful Lex Luthor --- also a moment for the real Luthor to be introduced to Kryptonian tech which he will lust for)... Braniac's goal to hunt Kal-El is that his DNA is the one that can activate a Kryptonian device that Braniac stole prior to Krypton's destruction that contains all the intellectual treasures of Krypton --- this along with some Kryptonian artifacts will eventually be retrieved by Superman from BRAINIAC's base of operations at the end of the movie and will reveal all the knowledge that leads to the creation of Fortress of Solitude (the remaining Kryptonian artifacts retrieved by Superman will be used to decorate the interiors of Fortress of Solitude(alternatively, the BRANIAC base of operations is located in the Arctic wasteland and will be re-decorated by Superman as his fortress))... Closing Credits... (Standing Ovation, hopefully)

If Snyder goes a little further to throw in a cute Lois Lane that can act, for instance like Elisha Cuthbert (with a brunette hair of course), then we have ourselves a hit movie to start a new decade...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R5WS6_kmmTI/SofGxB6JvcI/AAAAAAAAZKU/eD2oSxAeXTE/s1600/KevinAbosch2007_003.jpg


In a nutshell:
Supes-look alike in comics + actors girls will love + hot Lois for the boys + crazy fun for the family with a lot azz-whopin on the villains (not too dark like DK being a Supes movie) + unexpected twist at the end of the movie... what more can we ask? I bet it's gonna be a win-win situation for the movie-goers and WB.

What say you? :cwink:

[klark cent]

Oh man I dont know..he certainly isnt what I picture when I think of Lex, and I like the guy. I gotta ponder on this.

IMHO Ed Harris is overlooked as an actor to do LL in most forums I've been. Hamm, Mortensen, Olyphant, Voslo, Bettany and Pace have been promoted but I think the performace of EH is way above them... just my 2 cents...

[Astrodust]

Ed Harris has this nice quality to me. Can't remember a film where I thought he was pure evil. Tom Cruise is a solid actor. Probably could pull off Lex but he is overpriced and might steal the scene from whoever plays Superman. They could find someone more evil than TC and for less money imo. How about Mark Strong?

[klark cent]

Ed Harris has this nice quality to me. Can't remember a film where I thought he was pure evil. Tom Cruise is a solid actor. Probably could pull off Lex but he is overpriced and might steal the scene from whoever plays Superman. They could find someone more evil than TC and for less money imo. How about Mark Strong?

You're right about EH --- well, Snyder can potentially focus on the xenophobic attributes of LL in his interpretation of the Superman story so that LL doesn't have to be a pure villain with a black heart. For instance, LL believes he is doing the right thing/favor to all humanity by not trusting any aliens at all and fighting them/eradicating them from earth because he has a bad experience being a former UFO abductee (for example, by BRAINIAC)... but then again, TC might consider to take the LL role regardless of the low pay (granting there's an offer for him) if there's a good story to start with that can immortalize him as an actor... it might be worth his while...

Mark Strong is also a great contender. He has this commanding presence as a villain... btw, I even mistook him for Andy Garcia in Sherlock Holmes :doh:

Thanks!

[AntMan]

Strong is in Green Lantern, isn't he?

[Dark Knight]

Ed Harris would be perfect as Perry White!

[Dark Knight]

It's tricky indeed. Here's my attempt piecing together my favorite manips with a more natural hairstyle and favorite colors for the suit:

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

I was rooting for an older Superman, but Cavill is the next best choice.

(I hope the other authors will forgive me. :woot:)








Nice!

Someone should use this template and manip Hammer as Supes also!

[klark cent]

Strong is in Green Lantern, isn't he?

So true. I too thought about it but it is difficult to discern that he is Sinestro due to the prosthetics/CGI effects. Non-comic folks would likely not care about it... "Oh, it's that pink alien dude in GL" rather than "Wow, Mark Strong does the Sinestro role some justice" :cwink:. Nevertheless IMHO, he's worth a shot in getting a casting call for Lex...

[RachelDawes]

Ed Harris has this nice quality to me. Can't remember a film where I thought he was pure evil. Tom Cruise is a solid actor. Probably could pull off Lex but he is overpriced and might steal the scene from whoever plays Superman. They could find someone more evil than TC and for less money imo. How about Mark Strong?

Strong's the most overused villainous actor out there.

[Parker Wayne]

Strong's the most overused villainous actor out there.

Definitely. Great actor, but he's already been in used in so many villain roles for big films that it could eventually get redundant.

[hopefuldreamer]

It was repeatedly being said I couldn't be unbiased on my postings...and then you made a post that I felt also questioned it, but I will get into that in another part of this response.


I didn't say or suggest that it was typical of you to disagree with me. I said I was not surprised that you were questioning my post where I had said something nice about Brandon Routh. You have a very large banner backing Cavill in your signature and made several comments against him and his SR movie in your post. You appeared to be an anti-Routh poster joining in with the other anti-Routh poster to question my honesty.


Your post questioning my results of a poll came after I had previously stated that I had conducted such polls. So to me, you were questioning my honesty as well as my ability to be unbiased or neutral. Your post came after several posts by the other poster who was quite obviously anti-Routh and unable to understand or accept that I could be unbiased in my modding, and as I just said appeared to be another anti-Routh poster accusing me of lying and not able to be unbiased.


I apologise back to you if I offended you. I'm hoping my explanations in here will help get all points straight between us.


An opposing opinion is one thing...to sat that my results from a survey are wrong is another.

I will answer with bolded responses in your quote.



When I happened to have said something nice about Routh (something I haven't commented on in any one way or the other for a long time) and I am immediatedly beset by posters (who have either through thier general posting or by thier signatures) shown a preferrence against him and they start questioning my ability to be unbiased and my honesty.....how else am I supposed to take this?



As you said in your post...you are fairly new here. I have been here for a long time. You would not believe the stuff that has been said in this forum over the years. The casting wars between the backers of one actor or another have been long, mean, rude, crude, and generally very nasty. The other poster that started this debate is a shining example of the type of rude totally blinded by his hatred fanboy that I have dealt with for many years. I again apologise if I offended you with my response...but I hope you now understand why it was posssible for me to see you as a "comrade" of his at that moment when you joined in on questioning the results of a survey I had actually conducted.


And just to clarify some more...I do not either back or diss Routh for the role...I had simply made a statement where I said something nice about him and was immediately beset by anti-Routh people about that comment. That is an example of why many people do not even want to participate in here.

All i'll say is that I honestly didn't see anything about an actual survey being done until later in the debate, and if I had I would have phrased my opinion as 'I would have expected the results to be different', but even so, I don't think disagreeing with the results of a survey would be inferring you were lying, but just that perhaps if I were to conduct a survey I would get different results because that is simply the nature of that kind of information.

FYI I really do not dislike Routh. I am one of few people I know who consider his Superman to be better that Reeve's (here comes the tirade of abuse from other posters :lol:). I just think that it's time for someone new, and Cavill looks the best of the bunch to me.

This forum certainly does get heated at times, so I can appreciate your frustration with constant rude and negative behaviour. I also think that in a thread like this it must be incredibly difficult to post ANYTHING without be accused of bias.

God it'll just be so much easy when they announce it... everyone can have their whine about their favourite being perfect and they can't believe they didn't get it, and how can they have given it to that guy, he looks (insert insult here) and nothing like Superman... but they will simply have to get over it!

[Astrodust]

Strong's the most overused villainous actor out there.

He has been in a lot of villainy roles but I wouldn't say all of them are high profile except for Robin Hood. People will recognize him but I doubt they'll remember where they saw him from. Not saying he isn't a standout but he's still kind of under the radar. And with the role of Lex Luthor you could cast a famous A-list actor and I don't think people would mind. They will probably do what they did with STM. Get a not so famous actor to play Superman and surround him with a talented cast. Seriously doubt people would be rolling their eyes if Strong ended up as Lex.

[GreenKToo]

Thinking outside the box here for Lex, Tom Hanks or Laurence Fishburne.

[Astrodust]

All i'll say is that I honestly didn't see anything about an actual survey being done until later in the debate, and if I had I would have phrased my opinion as 'I would have expected the results to be different', but even so, I don't think disagreeing with the results of a survey would be inferring you were lying, but just that perhaps if I were to conduct a survey I would get different results because that is simply the nature of that kind of information.

FYI I really do not dislike Routh. I am one of few people I know who consider his Superman to be better that Reeve's (here comes the tirade of abuse from other posters :lol:). I just think that it's time for someone new, and Cavill looks the best of the bunch to me.

This forum certainly does get heated at times, so I can appreciate your frustration with constant rude and negative behaviour. I also think that in a thread like this it must be incredibly difficult to post ANYTHING without be accused of bias.

God it'll just be so much easy when they announce it... everyone can have their whine about their favourite being perfect and they can't believe they didn't get it, and how can they have given it to that guy, he looks (insert insult here) and nothing like Superman... but they will simply have to get over it!

Personally I like debating. You just have to have a thick skin sometimes and not treat everything like a personal attack even when they can be. Forums are basically a round table discussion. If you have one with your friends there will be times when things get heated and argumentative. It wouldn't make any sense to stop having discussions with your friends. Same goes for the forums. Anyways just let it go. Otherwise he'll come back with something, then you'll come back, and then it's back to where we started. And I doubt either of you will admit you were a little wrong. And admitting when you are a little wrong helps to end the argument. It's more fun talking about Superman casting. We just need some new names.

[Midnight Black]

When it came to seeing Lex Luthor on screen I always thought that Billy Zane would make a perfect Lex Luthor, at least how I see it, as an adaptation of the Lex seen in Superman Animated Adventures and JL, JLU.

Then after Joey Lawrence cut his hair I thought he would make a good Lex, because he has a good look and build and is charming, but can probably pull of dark if pushed and motivated by the director.

This Strong character is also another top contender. I haven't seen really any of his work, but from the movies I know he is in and the reviews he has received I bet he could do good, even if he has been the villain multiple times.

However, I now have another actor I think would make an outstanding Lex Luthor, Luke Goss from Blade 2, Hell Boy 2, Death Race 2. This guy can pull off suave, sophisticated, plus is a martial artist.

It would be interesting to see what this guy could do with some kryptonite or a kryptonite powered suit a la Tron style:
http://www.fringebloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lukegoss.jpg
http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Luke-Goss-366x550-25kb-media-7706-media-136054-1210332903.jpg
http://www.superiorpics.com/wenn_album/Luke_Goss_-_no_reunion/Luke_Goss_001_020708.jpg

Could someone do a manip, it would take me too long to do one.

Thanks.

[DorkyFresh]

there are some good suggestions for Lex here, but can we please take it to the Lex Luthor Casting thread? every time i see a new post i hope it's some sort of news or at least an interesting post about casting SUPERMAN but this thread's getting off topic with all the Lex casting suggestions.

[Showtime]

Yes. What Fresh said. We have a plethora of threads for casting characters...let's use them.

[Midnight Black]

there are some good suggestions for Lex here, but can we please take it to the Lex Luthor Casting thread? every time i see a new post i hope it's some sort of news or at least an interesting post about casting SUPERMAN but this thread's getting off topic with all the Lex casting suggestions.

Sorry I didn't realize that there was one. Also, since the discussion had just come down to Cavill, Hammer, Spencer, and TVW I didn't seem like it had been going anywhere. At least not with the last 3-5 pages.

Dude it's December, and the Holidays. WE ARE NOT GETTING INFO ABOUT WHO WILL PLAY SUPERMAN!And if we do that will be some kind of miracle, but I'm not holding my breath.

[GreenKToo]

It would be nice but I don't look for anything before jan. ( hope i'm wrong )

[Poopyman]

My wishlist is cast Christoph Waltz as Lex Luthor.

[Micah12345]

Waltz would be better as someone like green goblin than lex.

[DorkyFresh]

My wishlist is cast Christoph Waltz as Lex Luthor.

:doh: please read a few posts earlier. this is the Superman Casting thread.....not the Lex Luthor Casting thread. we have a thread for Lex...

[SuperZer0]

To avoid confusion, I suggest to change the thread name to "Official Superman/Clark Kent Casting Thread", this way people will know it's only for Superman/Clark Kent casting suggestions.

[Kokomo29]

My choices are still Garrett Hedlund, Armie Hammer or Henry Cavill. I'm just really excited to see a new actor don the red and blue!

[Man of Steel]

My choices are:
Brandon Routh(1st choice)
Tahmoh Penikett(2nd choice)
Henry Cavill(TV series)
Michael Trucco(DCAU-style)
Matthew Fox(older)
Matt Damon(Alex Ross-style)

[Micah12345]

1. Henry Cavill
2. Someone other than Henry Cavill
7,000,000,000,000. Tom Welling

[klark cent]

there are some good suggestions for Lex here, but can we please take it to the Lex Luthor Casting thread? every time i see a new post i hope it's some sort of news or at least an interesting post about casting SUPERMAN but this thread's getting off topic with all the Lex casting suggestions.

:doh: One of the guilty... sorry, got carried away...

To get back to the topic, here's my CK/Supe choice:
1) Brandon Routh (likely not casted being a "reboot" movie)
2) Travis Van Winkle (has to overcome his douche stereotype; height-challenged if no Earth1 elements in story but easily fixed if the rest of the cast has similar height or use certain camera angles. For example: Tom Cruise flicks --- can you tell the dude is barely 6 ft tall?)
3) Henry Cavill (boyish looks, facial features difficult to separate CK-look from Superman-look with the cleft chin too prominent; in the age of high-speed photography, facial recognition software and eye-in-the-sky satellites, 'modern' Metropolitans are not that dumb to figure out Supe's identity unless the new Superman story calls for a "cross-eyed-", "blind-disguised" or bearded CK (he has to do a quick super-shave when he switches to Superman and has to super-grow his beard back when switching back to Clark Kent but that alone alters the classic interpretation of the character :twisted:) )
...
99,999,999,999) Joe Manganiello (has the physique and height but jawline and facial attributes altogether is far from the CK/Superman drawings. He might be good for Eradicator, Non, Vandal Savage, etc)
100,000,000,000) Tom Welling (can't agree more than Micah12345; it's best TW remain in SmallVille/small screen)

Thanks!

[DIRECTOR]

wow, Henry Cavill seems very perfect for the role, role wise and attitude wise

0n08_yLF_Ok

[manofsteel4life]

yea Cavill has something unique about him, but its unlikely he'll be cast

[DIRECTOR]

yea Cavill has something unique about him, but its unlikely he'll be cast
why unlikely?

[GoblinWhirlwind]

why unlikely?

When do they ever cast someone everyone wants?

[BH/HHH]

I hope Snyder reads these threads and knows how much support Cavill has.

[The Watchman]

...Bale...?

[BH/HHH]

...Bale...?

Was thinking that, Bale had so much support before he was cast I think everyone knew he would be Batman.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I hope Snyder reads these threads and knows how much support Cavill has.

Definitely. If Snyder's made aware of Cavill's support, maybe he'll contact him.

Was thinking that, Bale had so much support before he was cast I think everyone knew he would be Batman.

I wasn't around here for the BB hype, so I wasn't aware of that. Hopefully it'll be the same way with Cavill.

[BH/HHH]

Definitely. If Snyder's made aware of Cavill's support, maybe he'll contact him.



I wasn't around here for the BB hype, so I wasn't aware of that. Hopefully it'll be the same way with Cavill.

I hope so think he's spot on for Superman.

and yeah thats how it was, before I even joined here I wanted Bale to play Batman it was after I saw American Psycho and when I joined the support for him on here was massive.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I hope so think he's spot on for Superman.

and yeah thats how it was, before I even joined here I wanted Bale to play Batman it was after I saw American Psycho and when I joined the support for him on here was massive.

Was the support for him there before Nolan himself was announced as director? Did Nolan hear of the support and check him out? If so, that's pretty good news for Snyder/Cavill.

[BH/HHH]

Was the support for him there before Nolan himself was announced as director? Did Nolan hear of the support and check him out? If so, that's pretty good news for Snyder/Cavill.

Tbh I can't remember if Nolan was already locked in as director or not

But I'm sure someone at WBs knew the support for Bale but remember he did screentest alongside some other actors so he still had to do the hard work to get the role.

[thebatsam]

Liking the Cavill right now, he looks pretty spot-on for the role
One question, was talking to my friend about and I was saying that after playing Clark for so long, Tom Welling has a right to be considered/screen test, but he was adamant that it should not be.
What do you guys think? Does he has a right to be considered? Or does this need to be distanced from the series?

[GreenKToo]

I'd be fine with him but I won't hold my breath. I still think it will be someone thats hardly been mentioned, or just mentioned in passing.

[Man of Steel]

I know none of us can agree on who to pick so I've decided to set a standard, based on this awesome pic I found on DeviantArt:
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Superman&order=9&offset=336#/d10yg60
(I don't know how to bring the actual picture here so I just posted te link).

[Strider14]

I hope Snyder reads these threads and knows how much support Cavill has.

Having some people on an internet forum that like him is hardly showing Snyder how much support he has. He has never been on top of any polls that I have seen. There is a lot of support here for a number of different actors. Cavill happens to be just one of those actors. I am not supporting any one specific candidate, but I do know I wouldn't want to personally see Cavill or Routh as Superman (Routh is out anyway, so not an issue). I would love to see a true unknown in the role.

I think some don't think Cavill is going to happen because WB has said they want to cast an American in the role. Right or wrong...that's something to keep in mind.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I don't recall WB ever saying that. I thought it was just people on these boards assuming.

[Micah12345]

Yeah I think you're confusing superman with captain america. I have heard unreasonable fans insist superman should be american though.

[That-Guy]

:doh: One of the guilty... sorry, got carried away...

To get back to the topic, here's my CK/Supe choice:
1) Brandon Routh (likely not casted being a "reboot" movie)
2) Travis Van Winkle (has to overcome his douche stereotype; height-challenged if no Earth1 elements in story but easily fixed if the rest of the cast has similar height or use certain camera angles. For example: Tom Cruise flicks --- can you tell the dude is barely 6 ft tall?)
3) Henry Cavill (boyish looks, facial features difficult to separate CK-look from Superman-look with the cleft chin too prominent; in the age of high-speed photography, facial recognition software and eye-in-the-sky satellites, 'modern' Metropolitans are not that dumb to figure out Supe's identity unless the new Superman story calls for a "cross-eyed-", "blind-disguised" or bearded CK (he has to do a quick super-shave when he switches to Superman and has to super-grow his beard back when switching back to Clark Kent but that alone alters the classic interpretation of the character :twisted:) )...
99,999,999,999) Joe Manganiello (has the physique and height but jawline and facial attributes altogether is far from the CK/Superman drawings. He might be good for Eradicator, Non, Vandal Savage, etc)
100,000,000,000) Tom Welling (can't agree more than Micah12345; it's best TW remain in SmallVille/small screen)

Thanks!

I find it hysterical that your rationale for not wanting a particular actor in the roles is because you don't think a pair of glasses would actually disguise him.

[RachelDawes]

Liking the Cavill right now, he looks pretty spot-on for the role
One question, was talking to my friend about and I was saying that after playing Clark for so long, Tom Welling has a right to be considered/screen test, but he was adamant that it should not be.
What do you guys think? Does he has a right to be considered? Or does this need to be distanced from the series?

This.

[Tra-El]

I hope so think he's spot on for Superman.

and yeah thats how it was, before I even joined here I wanted Bale to play Batman it was after I saw American Psycho and when I joined the support for him on here was massive.

I agree with this. Cavill is my choice, hands down. I'd be VERY happy to see him land the role. Cavill is destined, he got screwed twice, now is his chance to finally land it. I think he deserves the shot at Supes.

[gillberg2k1]

To clear up the Bale thing, I know for a fact that his involvement or interest went all the way back to the Aronofsky version.

Nolan had wanted Bale for a long time. As cool as it is to think that fan enthusiasm had something to do with it, it just happens to be a big coincidence that worked out really really well for fans.

Make no mistake, fan input had very little influence on this stuff, as there's about a million other factors that go into these decisions. The stars just aligned and it was meant to be.

Still neat to think about.

Unfortunately, a lot of these factors are currently working against Cavill from even being considered. There's a lot of politics at work here and I think it's very very unlikely he'll get the role.

[TheWatcher]

Armie Hammer+Hair dye+Snyder's workout= Perfect.

[baleheadbrasil]

My choices are still Garrett Hedlund, Armie Hammer or Henry Cavill. I'm just really excited to see a new actor don the red and blue!

:doh:
For the 10000000º...time!!
It´s SuperMAN,not SuperBOY!
The choices range from bad to worse ... :csad:
It´s better to cast Brandon Routh back soon!
He is the best option!

[GreenKToo]

Forgive me here, but wasn't showtime and jamie saying that WB wanted an American in the role? if so wouldnt that rule cavill out.

[Maze]

I don't se superboy with Henry Cavill.

Calm down bale, we all have our opinions.

[baleheadbrasil]

Cavill has baby face!
Superman with baby face?
Please...:(
Is it asking too much, a Superman with a man´s face?

[GreenKToo]

In cavills defense, I dont see a baby face either..He looks just as good, or better, than most suggestions.

[Maze]

Ditto. Sorry Bale, we just don't see the same thing.

be reassured, apparently he has slim to no chances to be even considered.

[baleheadbrasil]

C´mon he has a total baby face...
This pic doesn´t let me to lie.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9005/cavillsupermanarghhhhhh.jpgI
For the love of God...this guy as Superman,noooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

[Micah12345]

Excellent example of what cavill doesn't actually look like.

[Maze]

Yup.

[baleheadbrasil]

Excellent example of what cavill doesn't actually look like.

Cavill didn´t lose the baby face...sorry.
Only with beard he looks a little like a man.
He has baby face and he´s not taller enough to be Superman.
Too boyish and short for the role.

[BH/HHH]

I don't remember anything about him having to be American, end of the day Cavill can just do an American accent plus Superman isn't American born he's an alien.

[Maze]

Bale, you don't see it, others agree with you surely, and that's fine. but you have to accept that this is all opinions.

[baleheadbrasil]

^
I know this is all opinions.
And I have mine.
That´s all.

[Maze]

How you write your posts say otherwise.

just saying.

[Maze]

Casting really seem under lock and key.

with Christmas and new Year eve, i'm not sure that we will hear anything untill at least next month.:o

[Slamet]

I think its best to give your own actor for Superman than just againts another candidate. It's what we can do until the official announcement come out. IMO every fans candidate has the same 50:50 chance condition since i dont know what Snyder and Nolan thought.

-and this is a little story of Henry Cavill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRuf1Zaneo&feature=player_detailpage

[baleheadbrasil]

I don´t need to give my own actor for Superman.
My signature already says it.

[BH/HHH]

I don´t need to give my own actor for Superman.
My signature already says it.

I'm all for Brandon Routh coming back but I have accepted its not gonna happen and Cudmore cannot act. I'd rather have someone like Cavill who has the acting chops and the looks.

[GreenKToo]

At this point, I would think cavill's chances are better than rouths, and I think cavill has almost no chance.
I think routh and cavill both look like superman. I wouldnt wanna pick between the two based on looks alone.

[BH/HHH]

Casting really seem under lock and key.

with Christmas and new Year eve, i'm not sure that we will hear anything untill at least next month.:o

I'm still hoping for a New Years casting announcement but we don't even know if they have their Superman yet

[Maze]

Yup.

I really wonder if there are semi known actors (à la Armie Hammer or Joe Manganiello) who have a shot at the role, or they are really targeting complete unknown.

[BH/HHH]

The only reason I'm sure Routh is out is because its a reboot and Snyder seems adamant that it has nothing to do with the other movies.

But as for Cavill, if hes auditioned or does he has a chance.

[Maze]

Yes. i like Routh, i could see it working even if it is a reboot, but i don't see them take a chance if they really wan't to cut all ties with the past.

[baleheadbrasil]

I think its best to give your own actor for Superman than just againts another candidate. It's what we can do until the official announcement come out. IMO every fans candidate has the same 50:50 chance condition since i dont know what Snyder and Nolan thought.

-and this is a little story of Henry Cavill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRuf1Zaneo&feature=player_detailpage


At least Cudmore looks like a MAN.
And I don´t think XM3 or Twilight can be the base enough to determinate if Cudmore can act or not...
He still didn´t have opportunity to play a more prominent character,a protagonist.
I would give another chance for him.
But the best choice is Routh.
Or some unknown, like they found him and Reeve.
Maze,...Armie Hammer and Joe Manganiello are not unknown.

[Maze]

Maybe yes. but basing on what we know i don't feel that there is a really good actor in Cudmore. And on appearance alone i don't see him as Superman.

[Maze]

Ps: never said that they were unknown Bale..

[GreenKToo]

They got extremely lucky with reeve, he had the look and could act.

[elgaz]

C´mon he has a total baby face...
This pic doesn´t let me to lie.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9005/cavillsupermanarghhhhhh.jpgI
For the love of God...this guy as Superman,noooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

That's ONE picture ..... and it looks like one when he was much younger.

Cavill, babyfaced? Open your eyes.

http://www.bestcelebgossip.com/Claudiapics2/henry-cavill-dunhill.jpg

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Vanity+Fair+Celebrates+2009+Tribeca+Film+Festival+ AscFXb_hfnIl.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/06/cavill-upstreet/henry-cavill-upstreet-magazine-02.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/04/henry-cavill-state-supreme-courthouse.jpg?1

I can't see how Cavill is any more babyfaced than Daniel Cudmore, if that's your definition of a babyface

http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/167161/daniel-cudmore-profile.jpg

[Majik1387]

Whatever came of that Matthew Goode rumor?

[Maze]

Nothing for the moment.

[Strider14]

^ I don't recall WB ever saying that. I thought it was just people on these boards assuming.

It was posted some time ago here by Showtime (pretty sure it was Showtime). It may have been on the prior thread before it hit the post limit.

My challenge with Cavill is not that he isn't American, he's just too wimpy for my taste to play the Man of Steel.

[BH/HHH]

Nothing for the moment.

and hopefully nothing ever, I honestly think the only reason that rumour came about was because Matthew Goode was in Watchmen

[BH/HHH]

I think its best to give your own actor for Superman than just againts another candidate. It's what we can do until the official announcement come out. IMO every fans candidate has the same 50:50 chance condition since i dont know what Snyder and Nolan thought.

-and this is a little story of Henry Cavill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRuf1Zaneo&feature=player_detailpage

That was a good interviews and some good clips to show you what he can do aswell. Even more so after watching that I want him to be Superman.

[Tra-El]

They got extremely lucky with reeve, he had the look and could act.


Exactly. It's like a one and a billion casting call with Reeve. I mean, when I see pics of Reeve dawning the cape, it's like, how can somebody be so built and made for the role so perfectly? Chris Reeve was hands down one of the best casting calls of all time. He IS Superman in every sense of the word.

[Tra-El]

That was a good interviews and some good clips to show you what he can do aswell. Even more so after watching that I want him to be Superman.

Yeah, Cavill got the look down as well as the acting chops to pull off 2 personalities in one movie, a superhero movie if that. I saw Cavill land some nice performances on the "Tudor" but haven't seen much of his "American" voice, kind of like what Jackman did with Wolverine. Anyone got any clips or can clarify Cavill pulling the part off as SUPERMAN and not English-Superman?

[baleheadbrasil]

Maybe yes. but basing on what we know i don't feel that there is a really good actor in Cudmore. And on appearance alone i don't see him as Superman.


For me,Cudmore screams Superman!
At least physically.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4196/twilightfaneventinberli.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6034/59123201.jpg


And screams Clark Kent!
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1264/clarkdaniel.jpg

Daniel has the body type for sure(he is tall and big...strong as Superman should be!) and the looks (ressembling Superman of the Animated Series and Justice League Series).
He has presence,imposes respect and also has the charisma that Superman should have!
But of course,it´s just my opinion. :yay:

Elgaz...with the beard he doesn´t look to have the baby face.
Or do you want a Superman with beard?

[That-Guy]

Yeah, Cavill got the look down as well as the acting chops to pull off 2 personalities in one movie, a superhero movie if that. I saw Cavill land some nice performances on the "Tudor" but haven't seen much of his "American" voice, kind of like what Jackman did with Wolverine. Anyone got any clips or can clarify Cavill pulling the part off as SUPERMAN and not English-Superman?

He did an American accent in Blood Creek. It wasn't 100% perfect but it was pretty good and I'm sure they could work out the kinks for a Superman film.

[Maze]

;)

i don't see a lot of charisma in him, and he looks imo kind of dorky. dunno i could see him maybeee as Captain Marvel. maybe.

[baleheadbrasil]

At least in the interviews,he shows to have charisma.

[Maze]

I don't see it sincerly.

[baleheadbrasil]

And I don´t see absolutely ANYTHING from Superman on Cavill!
I hope they don´t cast him as Superman...

[Majik1387]

How do you feel about Cavill for Superman baleheadbrasil?

[Strider14]

As much as I want a large and physically imposing Superman and many of the names mentioned here are too wimpy for what I would like to see, Cudmore is too tall for the part. 6'7" isn't conducive to someone who is supposed to blend into the crowd in a somewhat unassuming way.

[baleheadbrasil]

That's ONE picture ..... and it looks like one when he was much younger.

Cavill, babyfaced? Open your eyes.

http://www.bestcelebgossip.com/Claudiapics2/henry-cavill-dunhill.jpg

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Vanity+Fair+Celebrates+2009+Tribeca+Film+Festival+ AscFXb_hfnIl.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/06/cavill-upstreet/henry-cavill-upstreet-magazine-02.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/04/henry-cavill-state-supreme-courthouse.jpg?1

I can't see how Cavill is any more babyfaced than Daniel Cudmore, if that's your definition of a babyface

http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/167161/daniel-cudmore-profile.jpg


Cudmore looks like a man.
Cavill looks like a boy in the next door.

[baleheadbrasil]

As much as I want a large and physically imposing Superman and many of the names mentioned here are too wimpy for what I would like to see, Cudmore is too tall for the part. 6'7" isn't conducive to someone who is supposed to blend into the crowd in a somewhat unassuming way.

Yeah he is very tall.
But it would be very easy for them...
There are tricks for this,dear.

[Majik1387]

I wish someone that looked like Cavill lived next door, because he's found nowhere near there.:csad:

[GreenKToo]

At 6'6 cudmore could never blend in as clark because they arent that many 6'6 men in the world.
The whole staff at the DP would be a joke if they couldnt figure out that one of the few folks around (clark) thats pushing 7 foot, and that just happens to work with them mind you, is superman.

[That-Guy]

Yeah he is very tall.
But it would be very easy for them...
There are tricks for this,dear.

So... there are tricks to make a 6'7" man (Cudmore) look like he's 6'2" when surrounded by a bunch of actors who are most likely 5'7"-5'10"...

But it is impossible to make a 27-year-old actor (Cavill) look like he's about 27 years old...

Okay...

[Majik1387]

So... there are tricks to make a 6'7" man (Cudmore) look like he's 6'2" when surrounded by a bunch of actors who are most likely 5'7"-5'10"...

But it is impossible to make a 27-year-old actor (Cavill) look like he's about 27 years old...

Okay...
Fanboy movie logic.

It's always entertaining.:awesome:

[GreenKToo]

Lol, I could see them working around his height if he were a depp or cruise, but why go through all that trouble for someone who hasnt proven anything. IMO, they need to get a proven actor this time. At least then they would know what they would be getting ahead of time.

[baleheadbrasil]

How do you feel about Cavill for Superman baleheadbrasil?

He may act,but he looks nothing with Superman.
I prefer someone not so good actor but looks like Superman (and has a man´s face)than a good actor with a boyish face like Cavill.
Cavill never would convince me that he is Superman.
Just looking at him.
Never.

[GreenKToo]

Oh my...no way..I never again want them to sacrifice acting over looks.

[Majik1387]

What boys are you looking at?

I think you're confusing handsome for boyish and you want a rugged actor instead of someone dashing.

[BH/HHH]

That was him in that crappy sequel? :csad: Oh Cavill, how far you've come. :yay:

Yeah Hellraiser 8 ha ha, never seen it but I haven't watched a Hellrasier film since the 3rd one

Oh my...no way..I never again want them to sacrifice acting over looks.

Tbh I really want him to look more like Superman than be a great actor. I believe you can be a half decent actor and just suit a role, half decent actors can grow into roles aswell. Saying that though my top choice is Cavill and he can act & looks the part

[Majik1387]

Yeah Hellraiser 8 ha ha, never seen it but I haven't watched a Hellrasier film since the 3rd one
That was the last good one. I wouldn't go past 5, maybe the 6th movie. 7 and 8 were ****

Tbh I really want him to look more like Superman than be a great actor. I believe you can be a half decent actor and just suit a role, half decent actors can grow into roles aswell. Saying that though my top choice is Cavill and he can act & looks the part
Agreed.:up:

[Strider14]

There are enough talented actors who have the look, height and build out there to not have to compromise on anything. I am not one for compromising when it comes to casting the Man of Steel. Cudmore is too tall and not the most charismatic actor. They aren't going to "trick" a 6'7" inch guy into the movie. It's easy to do so with an average-height guy like Tom Cruise who's playing a part where size doesn't really matter that much anyway. We already had to deal with Routh in the aspect of uncharismatic acting. Please, not again. Cavill can act, but looks too wimpy for me. I am still hoping for an unknown to be cast.

[BH/HHH]

That was the last good one. I wouldn't go past 5, maybe the 6th movie. 7 and 8 were ****


Agreed.:up:

Tbh I only like the first Hellraiser but 3 was watchable at least :D

I wish they'd announce who Superman is already its getting unbearable waiting but like I said before they might not have cast him yet but I have a feeling they have or have at least got an idea.

[baleheadbrasil]

I wouldn´t like to look at the actor on the screen and don´t see and feel Superman on him.
I´d feel disappointed... :(
Someone like Cavill would make me feel this way for sure.
Someone like him,like Hammer,like Bomer,like Van Twinkle,etc.
Joe Manganiello or Harmon Walsh,maybe.
They are not bad choices at all.

[GreenKToo]

Snyder is a comic geek, he will find a guy that looks the part and can act..of that i'm sure of.

[baleheadbrasil]

^
God(and Snyder,of course :hehe:)listen to you!
I hope he find some rarity around.

[Majik1387]

Hammer's a horrible actor. I hope he stays shelved with the failed JLA movie cast.

[BH/HHH]

I like Travis Van Winkle he plays an awesome douche but that guys gonna be making comedies all his career.

I'd be extremley happy with Henry Cavill and happy if Magniello, Hammer, Padelecki or Malambri got the part

Snyder is a comic geek, he will find a guy that looks the part and can act..of that i'm sure of.

Agreed :up:

[That-Guy]

Yeah, overall I think Snyder's been pretty good at casting. I think most if not all of the casting choices in Watchmen were pretty damned good. Haley? Brilliant. Crudup? Perfect. Morgan? Badass. Wilson? Awesome. Goode? Perhaps not exactly what I envisioned for Veidt but still very good. Even Ackerman - unlike in all subsequent roles - was decent.

Hopefully he'll have luck casting Superman as well.

Also... I believe that Haley actively campaigned for the part of Rohrschach. If so, then at least that is one case of an actor actively marketing himself for a role and landing it. Just food for thought, since some people feel that when actors do this (like Joe Manganiello) it automatically rules them out.

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, overall I think Snyder's been pretty good at casting. I think most if not all of the casting choices in Watchmen were pretty damned good. Haley? Brilliant. Crudup? Perfect. Morgan? Badass. Wilson? Awesome. Goode? Perhaps not exactly what I envisioned for Veidt but still very good. Even Ackerman - unlike in all subsequent roles - was decent.

Hopefully he'll have luck casting Superman as well.

Also... I believe that Haley actively campaigned for the part of Rohrschach. If so, then at least that is one case of an actor actively marketing himself for a role and landing it. Just food for thought, since some people feel that when actors do this (like Joe Manganiello) it automatically rules them out.

Haley stole the show in Watchmen, I'm convinced especially from Watchmen that Snyder will cast this Superman movie right.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Warner Brothers/Legendary Pictures are writing the checks and whomever is chosen will be the "face" of the character and franchise for potentially years. Movies, comics, merchandising up the ass, etc.

If you think, this is going to be 100% Snyder saying, "This is it!" and said actor is cast, then you have no idea what you're talking about. There is a ****load more behind casting a role of this caliber than I'd say 95% of posters realize.

[baleheadbrasil]

I like Travis Van Winkle he plays an awesome douche but that guys gonna be making comedies all his career.

I'd be extremley happy with Henry Cavill and happy if Magniello, Hammer, Padelecki or Malambri got the part



Agreed :up:


Malambri...I was forgetting him.
Not bad.
Padalecki wouldn´t be bad,too. :cwink:

[BH/HHH]

Warner Brothers/Legendary Pictures are writing the checks and whomever is chosen will be the "face" of the character and franchise for potentially years. Movies, comics, merchandising up the ass, etc.

If you think, this is going to be 100% Snyder saying, "This is it!" and said actor is cast, then you have no idea what you're talking about. There is a ****load more behind casting a role of this caliber than I'd say 95% of posters realize.

I don't think it will be a 100% Snyder but if he finds the guy he think is right he's surley gonna fight for him. Although saying what you are if he wanted to cast Goode for example and the reaction was bad then I bet WB's would have something to say there.

Malambri...I was forgetting him.
Not bad.
Padalecki wouldn´t be bad,too. :cwink:

Malambri had a moment but it seems like that has faded now. I doubt he'd be cast though. Padelecki might be too well known but I think he'd nail Superman.

[GreenKToo]

oh i'm sure..snyder shows wb his choice or choices, and they counter with a ''how about this guy instead'' line, and round and round they go.

[BH/HHH]

oh i'm sure..snyder shows wb his choice or choices, and they counter with a ''how about this guy instead'' line, and round and round they go.

Thats kinda what happened when Chris Reeve ended up becoming Superman really. They went round and round but in the end Donner got his man.

[GreenKToo]

Jamie or show probably know for sure, but i'm not convinced yet that nolan isnt still involved, at least behind the scenes..If snyder picks a guy for superman that he likes and wants, then I would think nolan would go to bat for him.