The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 27

Strider14

12-20-2010, 11:14 AM

Warner Brothers/Legendary Pictures are writing the checks and whomever is chosen will be the "face" of the character and franchise for potentially years. Movies, comics, merchandising up the ass, etc.

If you think, this is going to be 100% Snyder saying, "This is it!" and said actor is cast, then you have no idea what you're talking about. There is a ****load more behind casting a role of this caliber than I'd say 95% of posters realize.

Quoted for truth. Back in the day when I was involved in casting talent I can't tell you how many times the powers at be (those with the $) would override the director or producer of a shoot. Snyder has a lot of respect out there, but it isn't going to be completely his decision. He will simply offer up his choices and favorite and the studio will take it from there.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 11:15 AM

Jamie or show probably know for sure, but i'm not convinced yet that nolan isnt still involved, at least behind the scenes..If snyder picks a guy for superman that he likes and wants, then I would think nolan would go to bat for him.

There's no reason that Nolan wouldn't visit the set from time to time or once or twice. I doubt he's not gonna at least see how its going

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 11:33 AM

Cudmore looks like a man.
Cavill looks like a boy in the next door.

Cudmore looks like he's constipated and has very pud-like features. He reminds me more of Collasas over anyone else. 6'6 Superman? I don't think so, he'd look very odd in the suite being that big and dominating his cast. Besides, Clark Kent is supposed to blend in, not be a 6'6 mammoth that can easily be identified as Supes ( as much as you already can, haha.)

klark cent

12-20-2010, 11:39 AM

I find it hysterical that your rationale for not wanting a particular actor in the roles is because you don't think a pair of glasses would actually disguise him.

I apologize if I hit a nerve esp. if you're rooting for Cavil and the rest of the suggested actors. Please try to keep an open mind because the point I'm trying to put across is that mere glasses is not enough to hide a secret identity granting if the Snyder story has a touch of Nolan BB and DK realism to make relatable to the younger generation as well as to non-comic readers/non-fanboy audience. Put it this way, if the audience watching the movie can put themselves as one of the Metropolis citizens that interact day-to-day with CK in the Daily Planet office, what's the possibility that they will suspect CK and Superman are the same persona?

Take for example the quick manip I did for TVM. IF a modern-day CK will wear his trusty old glasses PLUS a modern hairstyle coupled with a friendly smile (refer to left pic), it's better than just plain glasses alone, no? Can they associate it if there's a photo on the Daily Planet front page (or maybe a KINDLE or iPad page for modern peeps) of Superman having a 'focused' look (refer to right pic)? My point is that glasses ALONE is not enough and thus suggesting that the actor has to have the right look and be able to sort of project himself differently if he is playing two characters in the movie in different scenes. Sorry, I have yet to see a manip of two different Cavil photos to show a stark contrast between CK and Superman to change my mind...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5270691056_335cffb30e.jpg

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 11:42 AM

I gotta admit, that does look like two totally different men.

EDIT: I gotta think that by now, those with some inside info have prolly heard names that have a legit shot.

StanLee Wannabe

12-20-2010, 11:48 AM

While I agree with your general point, that someone too muscular looks bad in the suit, the particular example in that picture does not look too muscular to me.

The reason the picture looks like a guy in a cheap costume, is because he IS in a cheap costume.

This mans face also sort of looks like Jack O'Halloran (NoN from SM2). That is going to hurt the look more than anything.

If this was a costume made by professionals, designed to show more definition and detail his build would look quite good in the suit.

I had to necro post about this...as I was reading back to page 208....

SuperMike, you're 100% off base about this costume. There are lots of details that show this ISNT a cheaply made costume.

1. The folds in the cape at the neck
2. The inset chest shield
3. The belt
4. The shape of the collar and the sewing of it

Now I don't know this guy (although from pictures I think it's the guy who has won the Metropolis, Ill. Superman Celebration award more than once)...but the only problem with this suit is that it's a little too big. This doesnt mean the seamster messed up...just that this guy might have lost some weight.

I bring this back up to say that I don't want some swimmer's body guy. I want a LARGE superman...e.g. Patrick Warburton or Chris Helmsworth size.

Having met Routh in person...he's bigger than you'd expect and not quite the swimmer's body that people characterize him as. At least these days.

Superman is the embodiment of a lot of things...including POWER. Keep it that way.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 11:49 AM

What boys are you looking at?

I think you're confusing handsome for boyish and you want a rugged actor instead of someone dashing.

No,it´s not that...
The most of the actors suggested here are handsome...
And this is essential for the actor who will play Superman.
He HAS to be handsome.
For me,Cudmore is handsome and Cavill also is...I can´t say otherwise.
But the problem with Cavil is that he is not tall enough,has a too boyish face and also hasn´t the body necessary to be Superman.
He is too flimsy for me and hasn´t that strong presence that Superman should have.
He is not that kind of man that you look at him and says: Wow,he is Superman!
I don´t see it on Cavill,sorry.

Maze

12-20-2010, 11:50 AM

If that's the case, don't hesitate, spill the beans.

please :o

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 11:55 AM

Heh, if only they could..thats a sure fire way to lose contacts.

hopefuldreamer

12-20-2010, 12:00 PM

C´mon he has a total baby face...
This pic doesn´t let me to lie.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9005/cavillsupermanarghhhhhh.jpgI
For the love of God...this guy as Superman,noooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(

A baby face is pudgy cheeks, soft features, big wide eyes, and a round chin... I see none of this...

No,it´s not that...
The most of the actors suggested here are handsome...
And this is essential for the actor who will play Superman.
He HAS to be handsome.
For me,Cudmore is handsome and Cavill also is...I can´t say otherwise.
But the problem with Cavil is that he is not tall enough,has a too boyish face and also hasn´t the body necessary to be Superman.
He is too flimsy for me and hasn´t that strong presence that Superman should have.
He is not that kind of man that you look at him and says: Wow,he is Superman!
I don´t see it on Cavill,sorry.

I'm sorry, but personally I'd put cudmore in the same category as Arnie in terms of his look... And I just don't think he's handsome at all... but it all depends on what you find attractive i guess.

Maze

12-20-2010, 12:03 PM

Heh, if only they could..thats a sure fire way to lose contacts.

Yes of course, i was kidding.

but you're right to re-emphasize it;)

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 12:04 PM

I apologize if I hit a nerve esp. if you're rooting for Cavil and the rest of the suggested actors. Please try to keep an open mind because the point I'm trying to put across is that mere glasses is not enough to hide a secret identity granting if the Snyder story has a touch of Nolan BB and DK realism to make relatable to the younger generation as well as to non-comic readers/non-fanboy audience. Put it this way, if the audience watching the movie can put themselves as one of the Metropolis citizens that interact day-to-day with CK in the Daily Planet office, what's the possibility that they will suspect CK and Superman are the same persona?

Take for example the quick manip I did for TVM. IF a modern-day CK will wear his trusty old glasses PLUS a modern hairstyle coupled with a friendly smile (refer to left pic), it's better than just plain glasses alone, no? Can they associate it if there's a photo on the Daily Planet front page (or maybe a KINDLE or iPad page for modern peeps) of Superman having a 'focused' look (refer to right pic)? My point is that glasses ALONE is not enough and thus suggesting that the actor has to have the right look and be able to sort of project himself differently if he is playing two characters in the movie in different scenes. Sorry, I have yet to see a manip of two different Cavil photos to show a stark contrast between CK and Superman to change my mind...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5270691056_335cffb30e.jpg

I get what you're saying, I just think that the actors actual appearance in all of this is irrelevant. They can do different, subtle things to make any of these guys look as different as possible when he is Clark versus when he is Superman, but at the end of the day, it's still going to look like the same guy. The key is finding someone who can play each role differently enough that the audience will (kind of) buy the most ludicrous disguise ever created for a superhero.

As for the pictures you posted, like who you like... but unless they are going to have the actor wearing a wig when he plays one of the two roles, you're not going to see Superman and Clark have that drastically different of a look. Superman's powers don't consist of an ability to grow his hair longer when he is in costume. And though those two photos make TVW look pretty different, they are just photos. Live action is much different. I can make a face in a picture that would make me unrecognizable but unless I'm going to hold that face for a long time in real life, people are going to recognize me.

Strider14

12-20-2010, 12:08 PM

The challenge with that image of Cavill is he no where near that typed of build. CGI would need to be used to add on that type of bulk because Cavill doesn't have a wide frame. I think "baby-faced" is not the right term, but baleheadbrasil does live in Brazil, so there may be something lost when translating her thoughts to English. I can relate to what she is saying though as I do think he is too boyish/less-than masculine looking for my taste.

I like the manip on Van Winkle and completely get Klark Cent's point on the different look from Clark to Supes, but that has never been an issue in the past so I don't personally see it as a major issue now. My only challenge with Van Winkle is he is too short and those that know me know that I don't buy into the "put lifts in his heels to make him look bigger". That only makes him look taller. It doesn't make his actual body look more physically imposing, which at 5'10" isn't going to cut it for me.

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 12:09 PM

No,it´s not that...
The most of the actors suggested here are handsome...
And this is essential for the actor who will play Superman.
He HAS to be handsome.
For me,Cudmore is handsome and Cavill also is...I can´t say otherwise.
But the problem with Cavil is that he is not tall enough,has a too boyish face and also hasn´t the body necessary to be Superman.
He is too flimsy for me and hasn´t that strong presence that Superman should have.
He is not that kind of man that you look at him and says: Wow,he is Superman!
I don´t see it on Cavill,sorry.

What have you ever seen Cudmore in that made you think he has a strong presence AS AN ACTOR?

I get that he's physically imposing. So are a million bodybuilders out there that should never attempt to act, let alone play Superman. But has he ever been in anything where he's had more than 5 lines of dialogue and he was required to actually play a character instead of just a grunt?

And please, don't give "interviews" as an example of why he's a good choice. There are plenty of people out there who give great interviews but can't act to save their lives.

JAK®

12-20-2010, 12:09 PM

Cavill does have a wide frame. He's not any more boy-ish than Routh is, probably less so.

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 12:19 PM

Yes of course, i was kidding.

but you're right to re-emphasize it;)
Har, I know you were..and I agree, I wish someone's tongue would slip.
I'm waiting to make my choice once we know what actors are on the list, if we even get a short list. They could very well just cast a guy without so much as a hint beforehand.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 12:21 PM

Har, I know you were..and I agree, I wish someone's tongue would slip.
I'm waiting to make my choice once we know what actors are on the list, if we even get a short list. They could very well just cast a guy without so much as a hint beforehand.

Yeah I've said that before aswell that it could be someone we've never heard of. I just hope we hear something soon.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 12:42 PM

They need to seriously release a short list of actors being considered.

We need to know if the ones being considered, should really even be considered. Ugh

haha

Rust

12-20-2010, 12:43 PM

"They could very well just cast a guy without so much as a hint beforehand"

Didnt that happen with Routh?

klark cent

12-20-2010, 12:47 PM

I gotta admit, that does look like two totally different men.

EDIT: I gotta think that by now, those with some inside info have prolly heard names that have a legit shot.

Agreed. Those with insider info and reading this forum must be laughing out loud on the squabbling that's happenning esp. if the actors being discussed are nowhere close to what has been decided (but not yet disclosed) already. :oldrazz:

HighFivingMF

12-20-2010, 12:51 PM

They need to seriously release a short list of actors being considered.

We need to know if the ones being considered, should really be even considered. Ugh

haha
I'm sure that'll happen... Once they have one.

Rust

12-20-2010, 12:54 PM

And none of our fanboy suggestions are on it... :doh:

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 01:00 PM

Majik1387

12-20-2010, 01:04 PM

No,it´s not that...
The most of the actors suggested here are handsome...
And this is essential for the actor who will play Superman.
He HAS to be handsome.
For me,Cudmore is handsome and Cavill also is...I can´t say otherwise.
But the problem with Cavil is that he is not tall enough,has a too boyish face and also hasn´t the body necessary to be Superman.
He is too flimsy for me and hasn´t that strong presence that Superman should have.
He is not that kind of man that you look at him and says: Wow,he is Superman!
I don´t see it on Cavill,sorry.
I'm not gonna debate the height thing because 6'1 is plenty tall enough for Superman.
I would like to see you post a pic of a baby and/or a boy with Cavill's face.
I would also like to see where you find Cavill to be flimsy.

Because I, along with others, simply don't see any of this, and I think if you showed us a comparison of Cavill and what you're talking about, it might make more sense.
They need to seriously release a short list of actors being considered.

We need to know if the ones being considered, should really be even considered. Ugh

haha
Seriously, all the comic movies I'm anticipating are all waiting on casting confirmations. Thank god the Spidey Reboot knows how to release their casting news.:yay:
And none of our fanboy suggestions are on it... :doh:
Wouldn't be the first time.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 01:12 PM

Agreed. Those with insider info and reading this forum must be laughing out loud on the squabbling that's happenning esp. if the actors being discussed are nowhere close to what has been decided (but not yet disclosed) already. :oldrazz:

Well, going by passed reports of WB's, Nolan and Snyder are possibly considering going the unknown/relatively unknown type of actor who has the potential to become a star, then the only actors I see that have that legit potential (at least right now) are Henry Cavill and Armie Hammer.

Look at how their careers are unfolding currently.

Cavill has been on WB's radar for quite sometime now and his turn in the upcoming Immortals film will without a doubt get him into the relative unknown category with the MAINSTREAM movie going audience of course. Right now, as far as the MAINSTREAM movie going public is concerned, he is an "unknown" if you will. Cavill has the makings of a future star and Superman may get him there or him being touted as the next Bond after Craig is done will also potentially get him into star status. Plus, Cavill has finished his turn on the TV series, The Tudors, so that would free up his schedule alot more.

When it comes to Hammer, he is kind of in the same category. He has been on WB's radar in the past with the now dead (thankfully) George Miller Justice League Mortals film and it seems some folks liked his turn playing dual twin roles in The Social Network. He since looks to have been cast in the WB's Eastwood/DiCaprio Hoover film in a supporing role due to lense in January or February.

WB's may see him as an upcoming potential star in the making who is still an "unknown" to the MAINSTREAM movie audience and he has the 6'5 frame with room to add bulk and become a very intimidating looking Superman speciman potentially.

At this time, it is VERY hard for me to believe that neither of these two actors would be on WB's, Nolan and Snyders radar/short list as their potential Superman.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 01:22 PM

It's also interesting, that MechaDexx profile (or whatever his name was who said with utmost certainty that Hammer and Cavill seem to be the top two candidates) doesn't accept any PM's??

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 01:23 PM

I'm sure that'll happen... Once they have one.

Yeah it'l probably get leaked

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 01:23 PM

Majik1387

12-20-2010, 01:30 PM

Why would Joe Manganiello be on the list at all?

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 01:31 PM

Why would Joe Manganiello be on the list at all?

Why wouldn't he? and I mean a valid reason

Maze

12-20-2010, 01:44 PM

I wan't him on that list.

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 01:47 PM

Don't forget, at one time it was said that they were wanting a known actor this time, possibly from tv..
I dont know if that rumor has gotten debunked or not.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 01:47 PM

I wan't him on that list.

So do I and there's no reason he wouldn't be

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 01:50 PM

You were doing good up until the Arnie Hammer part. If Jon Hamm's age plays a role into not being casted, then Hammer is way far on the TOO young side. I think if they are going to go with the route of up-coming star, it's either Henry Cavill or Joe Manganiello IMHO.

Sorry, there is no way in heck that Joe M, is going to be considered a potential future star ahead of Hammer.

Hammer was getting some praise for his turn in the facebook film and has landed a supporting role in another big WB's production with Eastwood directing and DiCaprio starring.

Is Joe M's career trajectory anywhere near where Cavill or Hammers is currently?

Nope.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 01:52 PM

Why would Joe Manganiello be on the list at all?

Exactly!

There is no way.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 01:54 PM

Well, going by passed reports of WB's, Nolan and Snyder are possibly considering going the unknown/relatively unknown type of actor who has the potential to become a star, then the only actors I see that have that legit potential (at least right now) are Henry Cavill and Armie Hammer.

Look at how their careers are unfolding currently.

Cavill has been on WB's radar for quite sometime now and his turn in the upcoming Immortals film will without a doubt get him into the relative unknown category with the MAINSTREAM movie going audience of course. Right now, as far as the MAINSTREAM movie going public is concerned, he is an "unknown" if you will. Cavill has the makings of a future star and Superman may get him there or him being touted as the next Bond after Craig is done will also potentially get him into star status. Plus, Cavill has finished his turn on the TV series, The Tudors, so that would free up his schedule alot more.

When it comes to Hammer, he is kind of in the same category. He has been on WB's radar in the past with the now dead (thankfully) George Miller Justice League Mortals film and it seems some folks liked his turn playing dual twin roles in The Social Network. He since looks to have been cast in the WB's Eastwood/DiCaprio Hoover film in a supporing role due to lense in January or February.

WB's may see him as an upcoming potential star in the making who is still an "unknown" to the MAINSTREAM movie audience and he has the 6'5 frame with room to add bulk and become a very intimidating looking Superman speciman potentially.

At this time, it is VERY hard for me to believe that neither of these two actors would be on WB's, Nolan and Snyders radar/short list as their potential Superman.

RalphD

12-20-2010, 01:55 PM

A baby face is pudgy cheeks, soft features, big wide eyes, and a round chin... I see none of this...

Bale, he looks way younger on my manip, and the face was actually tweaked by someone else, I just used it because it's very well done. First the beard had to be removed, second it's an old picture and third, it's a publicity shot which was already airbrushed to death in first place, as most publicity shots are.

You can't only judge by looking at those stills. Just watch the Tudors and recent interviews available on youtube, he looks and sounds mature, has a great screen presence and can certainly act.

I really disliked Routh's first costume shot back when it was released. But as soon as the teaser came out and we heard him talking about Krypton, I was sold. Thanks to his deep voice and the way he was comfortable on the role, script flaws aside. He didn't look as old as Reeve (even though Reeve was younger), but played the character with all the dignity we could hope for. With that said, he would probably never have been considered if Donner's movies hadn't been made.

Solid acting really comes first, which is why WB should rule out most of those look-alikes, young or old, baby faced or not, if they lack the charisma or the screen presence necessary for such an iconic role.

Reeve could become Superman just by changing the pitch of his voice and removing the glasses and staring at you, without even touching the costume. How many of those square jawed actors mentioned here can pull that off?

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 01:56 PM

Exactly!

There is no way.

I'm sorry but you can't say there's no way he is on the list, there is no logical reason why he wouldn't be. You might not want him to be but that doesn't mean he isn't.

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 01:58 PM

Sorry, there is no way in heck that Joe M, is going to be considered a potential future star ahead of Hammer.

Hammer was getting some praise for his turn in the facebook film and has landed a supporting role in another big WB's production with Eastwood directing and DiCaprio starring.

Is Joe M's career trajectory anywhere near where Cavill or Hammers is currently?

Nope.

Just because Hammer has had the opportunity to get his feet wet in the Hollywood business at such a young age, doesn't exclude the fact that Joe M. shouldn't be considered to atleast be mentioned in the conversation of the next cast for Superman because he certainly gets the "praise" in his own field of work (BTW: Manganiello has already been mentioned so there's no case against it.) To say Joe M. shouldn't be considered just because Hammer has the "credentials" over him in a couple different films is ludicrous. Manganiello has as strong of a right to be considered in the mix right now as much as Hammer does because quite frankly, NOONE knows what WB OR Snyder is thinking at the moment.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:01 PM

Just because Hammer has had the opportunity to get his feet wet in the Hollywood business at such a young age, doesn't exclude the fact that Joe M. shouldn't be considered to atleast be mentioned in the conversation of the next cast for Superman because he certainly gets the "praise" in his own field of work (BTW: Manganiello has already been mentioned so there's no case against it.) To say Joe M. shouldn't be considered just because Hammer has the "credentials" over him in a couple different films is ludicrous. Manganiello has the as strong of a right to be considered in the mix right now as much as Hammer does because quite frankly, NOONE knows what WB OR Snyder is thinking at the moment.

:up: Exactly, it annoys me when people express their opinions as facts just because they don't want something to happen.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:03 PM

Maze

12-20-2010, 02:05 PM

Lol Yes yes, if you say so.

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 02:05 PM

Hammer and Cavill are two boys,two brats that don´t have absolutely nothing to do with Superman.

Haha, dude, what does that even mean? What did Christopher Reeve have 'to do' with Superman before he was casted as an unknown? What did Michael Keaton have 'to do' with Batman before he was casted as Bruce Wayne? Come on man, you can do better than that when discussing your disgust in the "two brats" of Hollywood.:dry:

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:06 PM

Hammer and Cavill are two boys,two brats that don´t have absolutely nothing to do with Superman.
The difference among them,Reeve and Routh are stark!
Who says Hammer and Cavill are SuperMEN has serious problems of vision!

Reeve/Routh-Supermen
Hammer and Cavill-Superboys

You need to stop acting like a kid over this, everyone has their own opinions and you have basically posted the same thing over and over again all day. How many times do you have to make your point? Give it a rest.

RalphD

12-20-2010, 02:08 PM

Is that a brat to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfy0qE35cow

Compare to Brandon a few years ago during production:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8iSY-NEno

He was far more boyish than Cavill these days, and he did just fine.

Maze

12-20-2010, 02:08 PM

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 02:10 PM

More seriously, could people make an effort to avoid another forum war?

you have an opinion fine. you wan't to challenge others ? fine. but attack opinions is stupid and will just contribute to stop a true conversation.

Agree. I can see if logic plays a rule in reasoning, but just saying "He doesn't deserve my time just because I said so!" is just being a close minded individual in a debate thread and those comments over-look the ones that actually have good merit to it.

Maze

12-20-2010, 02:13 PM

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:16 PM

Thank God that Cavill became a too obvious choice now and they probably won´t call him for the role.
And neither Hammer.:yay:
But please...
Suggest actors that have at least a man/body´s face to play Superman! :woot:
I´m tired of boys like Hammer,Cavill,Van Twinkle...

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 02:17 PM

I'm sorry but you can't say there's no way he is on the list, there is no logical reason why he wouldn't be. You might not want him to be but that doesn't mean he isn't.

Okay. Using as much logical deductive reasoning as I can on this.

I see Joe M having a very little chance of being heavily considered or even cast as Superman in the next film, especially ahead of better (logically speaking) candidates like Cavill and Hammer. :woot:

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:17 PM

About Manganiello: Warner and cie said that they are looking to make a star out of somebody.

They could talk about a Hammer yes. But does he really need superman to become a star? not necessarly now that his career is launched with a list movies.

Ditto with Cavill, he has opportunities right now to become one.

Manganiello had some nice notices on true blood but could become a star with a movie like superman

:up: I think the Immortals will be big for Cavill, it could open up some great opportunities one of which I hope is Superman.

Magniello's one of my favourite choices for the role, I love how much he wants the role aswell shows you he would probably give his all as the Man of Steel.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:18 PM

Okay. Using as much logical deductive reasoning as I can on this.

I see Joe M having a very little chance of being heavily considered or even cast as Superman in the next film, especially ahead of better (logically speaking) candidates like Cavill and Hammer. :woot:

Lol well it reads better for sure, each to their own I guess :D

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 02:19 PM

Joe M's acting is what hurts him more than anything.

He is just not a good enough actor fellas. Sorry.

Plus his nose hurts him as well. I doubt Snyder will want to use prosthetics on his Superman.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:20 PM

But like I've said an actor can grow into a role

Also his nose doesnt really bother me, I doubt even if he were cast they'd put a prosetic on his face

Maze

12-20-2010, 02:22 PM

Well, i can say that i fail to see how his acting hurt his chance. Is Armie Hammer far better than him? yes. (but Armie had a really interesting role in social network)

Is he better than a Routh? ( superman returns era) yep (and i like Routh) so i can see him being
considered.

ps: his noise is not so distracting in motion imo.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:27 PM

Maze

12-20-2010, 02:28 PM

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Tayelore/82273069.jpg?t=1292877163

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 02:30 PM

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:31 PM

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/82273069.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5482B38AB7E1DC6FB27 CDC9DF15290C4F2E716D96970804F43BE30A760B0D811297

ha ha ha ha

Strider14

12-20-2010, 02:32 PM

Cavill does have a wide frame. He's not any more boy-ish than Routh is, probably less so.

Seriously? He has pretty narrow shoulders. His chest appears to be more man-boobish than anything. As a former trainer, I have to disagree wholeheartedly with that. I wasn't a fan of Routh, so I won't disagree with you too much on that, though Routh has a bigger frame than Cavill has.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:33 PM

You have serious problems forming sentences. THINK before you type.

English is not my first language so it´s perfectly forgivable.:woot:

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 02:35 PM

English is not my first language so it´s perfectly understandable.:woot:

That doesn't mean you can't take a minute and ask yourself if something sounds right.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:35 PM

Seriously? He has pretty narrow shoulders. His chest appears to be more man-boobish than anything. As a former trainer, I have to disagree wholeheartedly with that. I wasn't a fan of Routh, so I won't disagree with you too much on that, though Routh has a bigger frame than Cavill has.

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/05/shirtless-henry-cavill.jpg

Man Boobish? really?

TheWatcher

12-20-2010, 02:36 PM

I'm an open minded person when it comes to casting but Cudmore is one of the worst choices on here. He's 6'7(WAYYYY too fricking tall) and a bland actor with close to zero parts.

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 02:37 PM

I'm an open minded person when it comes to casting but Cudmore is one of the worst choices on here. He's 6'7(WAYYYY too fricking tall) and a bland actor with close to zero parts.

But... HE LOOKS LIKE A MAN!!! :hehe:

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:37 PM

That doesn't mean you can't take a minute and ask yourself if something sounds right.

As long as you understand what I´m saying...I´m happy. :woot:

But... HE LOOKS LIKE A MAN!!! :hehe:

Exactly.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:38 PM

Ya know I'm not against Zachary Levi either, although I don't think it would happen I actually think he has a decent look.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:40 PM

^
Zachary QUINTO would be a better choice.

Strider14

12-20-2010, 02:41 PM

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/05/shirtless-henry-cavill.jpg

Man Boobish? really?

http://i56.tinypic.com/szkdtx.jpg

Seriously lacking upper pectoral development as far as I see it.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 02:46 PM

^
Zachary QUINTO would be a better choice.

Not for me, Zachary Quinto looks a little odd looking and to me he is Spock

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 02:48 PM

Joe M's acting is what hurts him more than anything.

He is just not a good enough actor fellas. Sorry.

Plus his nose hurts him as well. I doubt Snyder will want to use prosthetics on his Superman.

I can see the argument at FIRST GLANCE when it comes to Manganiello and the apperaence of his nose. If the casting is right, something like his nose should never, EVER be the deciding factor if he got "IT" for what they want in their Superman. Remember, WB and Snyder isn't casting our Superman, they are casting their Superman, so if Joe M. is their guy, I'm SURE the nose won't be that big of a deal but I can see it hurting him only slightly for what it's worth.

As for the baby face of Cavill, I'm actually big on a "harder looking" Superman and voiced my opinion on Routh being too boyish and too "smooth" in the face for my liking. Routh looked like a wuss and I do NOT get that vibe with Cavill. Henry Cavill has a nice determining look to him IMHO, but again, that's all personal preference.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 02:48 PM

How sad and disappointing would be seeing someone like Cavill, playing Supermanthis time, after seeing Christopher Reeve. :(

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 02:54 PM

How sad and disappointing would be seeing someone like Cavill, playing Supermanthis time, after seeing Christopher Reeve. :(

If that's the attitude you have, then you might as well not even watch the film because NOBODY will ever measure up to the look and performance that is Chris Reeve (there's always the 1978 and 3 other films for you to re-watch with Reeve if this is your approach as a fan.)

But make no mistake about it, I think this era is ready for a different approach on Superman. I know I have a huge thirst for something DRASTICALLY different.

hopefuldreamer

12-20-2010, 02:58 PM

Gotta admit that it's exciting for just the wait because we have NO idea of what's going on or when anything will be announced. These rumors of casting over the months have been one big Superman "blue balls." Can't wait to atleast have some guys narrowed down.

Not exciting anymore for me... I feel like a kid counting down the days of christmas, but it's been years and still nothing!

And none of our fanboy suggestions are on it... :doh:

In fairness, unless all the names on the list are complete unknowns, anyone is going to have been brought up in this thread. I'm almost certain that we have mentioned every single white male from tv shows, films and even a few models :p

Hammer and Cavill are two boys,two brats that don´t have absolutely nothing to do with Superman.
The difference among them,Reeve and Routh are stark!
Who says Hammer and Cavill are SuperMEN has serious problems of vision!

Reeve/Routh-Supermen
Hammer and Cavill-Superboys

See i'd respect your opinion if you hadn't said earlier in the thread that Malambri and Padalecki wouldn't be bad choices... both of whom I believe to be MUCH more 'superboy' worthy than Cavill.

Seriously? He has pretty narrow shoulders. His chest appears to be more man-boobish than anything. As a former trainer, I have to disagree wholeheartedly with that. I wasn't a fan of Routh, so I won't disagree with you too much on that, though Routh has a bigger frame than Cavill has.

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/05/shirtless-henry-cavill.jpg

Man Boobish? really?

Personally I hate that pic as I think he looks really skinny in it. This one's the pic that made me turn around on Cavill's manishness and body shape.

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/09/henry-cavill-shirtless-cold-light-of-day.jpg

Majik1387

12-20-2010, 03:09 PM

Why wouldn't he? and I mean a valid reason
I wan't him on that list.
So do I and there's no reason he wouldn't be
Exactly!
There is no way.
I'm just looking for a reason that he should be. I haven't really seen him in anything other than the Spider-Man movies. I got nothing against the guy, I just know that he's apparently a sexy hot werewolf or something on True Blood.
Plus his nose hurts him as well. I doubt Snyder will want to use prosthetics on his Superman.
Also his nose doesnt really bother me, I doubt even if he were cast they'd put a prosetic on his face
ps: his noise is not so distracting in motion imo.
What's wrong with his nose? It looks fine in all the google image results :huh:
Ya know I'm not against Zachary Levi either, although I don't think it would happen I actually think he has a decent look.
Ugh, god no; Keep him away.:down
Hammer and Cavill are two boys,two brats that don´t have absolutely nothing to do with Superman.
The difference among them,Reeve and Routh are stark!
Who says Hammer and Cavill are SuperMEN has serious problems of vision!
Reeve/Routh-Supermen
Hammer and Cavill-Superboys

Thank God that Cavill became a too obvious choice now and they probably won´t call him for the role.
And neither Hammer.:yay:
But please...
Suggest actors that have at least a man/body´s face to play Superman! :woot:
I´m tired of boys like Hammer,Cavill,Van Twinkle...
How sad and disappointing would be seeing someone like Cavill, playing Supermanthis time, after seeing Christopher Reeve. :(
Are you trying to troll this thread now like you did the Catwoman thread? Because all but 2-3 posts of yours in here are you purely hating on Cavill and Hammer.
Do we need to get a mod to ask you not to come into this thread either?

jesusmagicka

12-20-2010, 03:11 PM

Would you guys lose respect for Joe M if Snyder was like, "You can have the part, but you have to get plastic surgery on your nose." And then Joe agreed?

I figure Plastic Surgery would be more cost effective than CGI or prosthetics.

I just wonder if you guys are so adamant about getting the perfect looking Supes you'd be all for a guy getting surgery to permanently change his face.... heheh.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 03:17 PM

I'm just looking for a reason that he should be. I haven't really seen him in anything other than the Spider-Man movies. I got nothing against the guy, I just know that he's apparently a sexy hot werewolf or something on True Blood.

What's wrong with his nose? It looks fine in all the google image results :huh:

Ugh, god no; Keep him away.:down

Are you trying to troll this thread now like you did the Catwoman thread? Because all but 2-3 posts of yours in here are you purely hating on Cavill and Hammer.
Do we need to get a mod to ask you not to come into this thread either?

:doh:

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 03:18 PM

I personally don't think Joe needs a nose job, but I wouldn't have a problem with him if he did. Hell, have the stars in Hollywood have had them. Jake Gyllenhaal, Blake Lively, Mila Kunis... everyone wants to look perfect these days.

But honestly, aside from a couple of unflattering photos, I've never noticed Joe's nose to stand out at all on film. But the way people talk here, you'd think he was Cyrano de Bergerac or something.

Majik1387

12-20-2010, 03:19 PM

I still don't see the nose "problem" :huh:

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 03:22 PM

To be honest I don't really see a problem with his nose either

That-Guy

12-20-2010, 03:25 PM

Yeah, I don't get it. Guess we'll see if Snyder & Co. are looking his way or not. I'm not convinced that they aren't either... Stephen Moyer and Alexander Skarsgard have been landing movie roles lately, which their True Blood fame has clearly helped with. Joe is pretty popular on that show now too, so who's to say that he might not be getting some movie parts soon as well?

jesusmagicka

12-20-2010, 03:25 PM

heheh i googled gylenhaal. always thought he was above that kinda' stuff. turns out ryan gosling had one too.

Majik1387

12-20-2010, 03:27 PM

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 03:30 PM

jesusmagicka

12-20-2010, 03:33 PM

I thought it was just Joe being Joe. He doesn't have much range or intensity, IMO.

JAK®

12-20-2010, 03:34 PM

It didn't help Skarsgard get the Thor role.
It nearly did.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 03:35 PM

I thought Skarsgaard turned down Thor?

Man of Steel

12-20-2010, 04:20 PM

For me,Cudmore screams Superman!
At least physically.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4196/twilightfaneventinberli.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6034/59123201.jpg

And screams Clark Kent!
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1264/clarkdaniel.jpg

Daniel has the body type for sure(he is tall and big...strong as Superman should be!) and the looks (ressembling Superman of the Animated Series and Justice League Series).
He has presence,imposes respect and also has the charisma that Superman should have!
But of course,it´s just my opinion. :yay:

Elgaz...with the beard he doesn´t look to have the baby face.
Or do you want a Superman with beard?
Sorry, but Cudmore seems more Terminator than Superman, especially in these photos, where he looks almost exactly like Govenator(don't know how to spell Arnold's last name). Routh is perfect though.

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 04:33 PM

Yeah he does remind me of the Terminator, he's just very bland to me

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 04:45 PM

Srry, but Cudmore seems more Terminator than Superman, especially in these photos, where he looks almost exactly like Govenator(don't know how to spell Arnold's last name). Routh is perfect though.

My GOD...
You definately don´t understand about men and much less abt Superman to say that. :whatever:
And tell me where Cavill looks like Superman???
Where?
Please,spare me!

BH/HHH

12-20-2010, 04:46 PM

My GOD...
You definately don´t understand about men and much less abt Superman to say that. :whatever:

Terminator your ***

and you're basing this on the fact he doesnt think Cudmore looks like Superman. Jeez

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 04:50 PM

After seeing the pics I´ve posted,who says Cudmore doesn´t look like Superman needs to wear glasses...urgently.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 04:51 PM

Hammer and Cavill are two boys,two brats that don´t have absolutely nothing to do with Superman.
The difference among them,Reeve and Routh are stark!
Who says Hammer and Cavill are SuperMEN has serious problems of vision!

Reeve/Routh-Supermen
Hammer and Cavill-Superboys

Well wasn't Reeve the same age as Hammer is now when he was cast as Superman way back in 79?

Cavill is older now than the age when Reeve was cast. LOL

cin0

12-20-2010, 04:52 PM

He's too tall. There is a such thing as too tall and 6'7 is definitely that.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 04:53 PM

The age does not matter,Dark Knight.
Hammer may have the same age as Reeve was that time,but Reeve didn´t have a boyish face like Hammer or Cavill has.
Not really.

He's too tall. There is a such thing as too tall and 6'7 is definitely that.

As I said before,there are tricks to resolve this problem.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 04:54 PM

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 04:57 PM

The age does not matter,Dark Knight.
Hammer may have the same age as Reeve was that time,but Reeve didn´t have a boyish face like Hammer or Cavill has.
Not really.

Your sure about Reeve not having a boyish face when he was first cast? Take a look at his screentests when was lanky.

Reeve needed to bulk up and gain about 25 pounds to look like a more manly Superman.

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 04:59 PM

Whenever I watch True Blood, I just laugh that people are actually are rooting for Joe M. to be cast as Superman. Unreal....

Sheesh.....

Dark Knight

12-20-2010, 05:01 PM

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 05:10 PM

Your sure about Reeve not having a boyish face when he was first cast? Take a look at his screentests when was lanky.

Reeve needed to bulk up and gain about 25 pounds to look like a more manly Superman.

I saw his screentests and I don´t agree with you.
That time,before him to bulk up and gain 25 pounds,he looked much more like Superman than Cavill or Hammer now.
And Christopher Reeve was very much more handsome than Cavill or Hammer.
Please,don´t compare them with Reeve.
He was perfect !

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 05:47 PM

After seeing the pics I´ve posted,who says Cudmore doesn´t look like Superman needs to wear glasses...urgently.

I have 20/20, need no glass's to speak of and trust me, what I see is NOT Superman. I do see Collosus, Chubaka, the Terminator or some other gigantic character I can't think of at the moment, no Superman.

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 05:48 PM

It wouldn't matter.

Joe M is still just not a good enough actor....IMO.

How do you know such a thing when he was never really givin' an opportunity at a big role that he OBVIOUSLY would put his heart and determination in? You won't find it because he was never givin the chance. We will find out soon, I hope. WB needs to at LEAST give us a riddle of some sort, DAMN!

Mr. Thing

12-20-2010, 06:08 PM

Cudmore is totally below the standard for Superman, at least based on acting ability.

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 06:10 PM

lol @ casting wars..
Cudmore would make a good villain tho, maybe Non?

Tra-El

12-20-2010, 06:13 PM

lol @ casting wars..
Cudmore would make a good villain tho, maybe Non?

Wow, that's actually a tremendous observation. I can def see that without question.:up:

Man of Steel

12-20-2010, 06:26 PM

My GOD...
You definately don´t understand about men and much less abt Superman to say that. :whatever:
And tell me where Cavill looks like Superman???
Where?
Please,spare me!
Please tell me where I said that Cavill looks like Superman(even though he does) and why I would not understand Superman simply because I don't like Cudmore for the role. And for your information, I am a man, so obviously I would understand them. Besides, based on your tag-line, you are also a Routhboot fan. So why are you angry at me? I support Brandon Routh!

Micah12345

12-20-2010, 06:36 PM

Cudmore is best suited for non-speaking parts.

Sub-Zero

12-20-2010, 07:05 PM

Cudmore is best suited for non-speaking parts.

i guess he should've been singer's superman

GoblinWhirlwind

12-20-2010, 07:08 PM

I thought Skarsgaard turned down Thor?

I heard Daniel Craig turned down Thor as well... he said Bond was enough for him. I hope he wouldn't mind playing a villain... I'm loving the idea of him playing Lex Luthor.

I Am The Knight

12-20-2010, 07:32 PM

lol @ casting wars..
Cudmore would make a good villain tho, maybe Non?

I was totally thinking of that the other day. Cudmore is perfect for that kind of thuggish role :wow:

BTW this thread has devolved into complete lunacy, and I think I know why...

HighFivingMF

12-20-2010, 07:37 PM

I was totally thinking of that the other day. Cudmore is perfect for that kind of thuggish role :wow:

BTW this thread has devolved into complete lunacy, and I think I know why...
Because there aren't any clips of our new Superman singing theme songs to classic cartoons about little girls?

I Am The Knight

12-20-2010, 07:41 PM

Because there aren't any clips of our new Superman singing theme songs to classic cartoons about little girls?

Well, there's that, but I was gonna say it has more to do with the presence of a certain female user :o

GreenKToo

12-20-2010, 07:59 PM

I think we have pretty much said all we can say until we hear some real casting news..everything now is just rehashed stuff.

Micah12345

12-20-2010, 08:02 PM

at least give us a shortlist, dammit!

GoblinWhirlwind

12-20-2010, 08:08 PM

I think we have pretty much said all we can say until we hear some real casting news..everything now is just rehashed stuff.

That's the way it's been for like 3 years now. Everyone just comes in to keep awareness of their top choice up.

baleheadbrasil

12-20-2010, 09:04 PM

lol @ casting wars..
Cudmore would make a good villain tho, maybe Non?

Robert Maillet is the perfect choice for Non!
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4946/maillet.jpg

Cudmore is very handsome to play Non.
He looks like Superman!
At least not just for me.
I know many people that also see Superman on him!
Another actor who I´d like to see as Superman despite the age(40):

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1740/michaeltruccosupermanda.gif

He is 40 but he looks to have 30.
Michael would be a great Superman! :yay:

JAK®

12-20-2010, 09:11 PM

Cudmore looks very much like Superman, were it not for the fact his acting seems to be in question and being too tall I would be rooting for him.

RalphD

12-20-2010, 10:00 PM

That's a good picture of Trucco, but googling others, his face looks a bit too thin, I think.

RalphD

12-20-2010, 10:01 PM

Double post, sorry.

Majik1387

12-21-2010, 12:11 AM

Joe M has a pointy hooked nose (without a beard it's far more noticeable) and it is distracting and of course he is just not a very good actor.
His nose is barely hooked downward. :huh:
You guys made it seem like his nose was like Adrian Brody's or something.
Another actor who I´d like to see as Superman despite the age(40):

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1740/michaeltruccosupermanda.gif

He is 40 but he looks to have 30.
Michael would be a great Superman! :yay:
I disagree about him looking 30, but he's definitely a good choice for an older Superman. See, we can agree on something. :yay:
That's a good picture of Trucco, but googling others, his face looks a bit too thin, I think.
Any actor cast for the role most likely is going to have to buff up more than they usually do. Reeve did it, Welling did it, Routh did it.

jesusmagicka

12-21-2010, 12:22 AM

an advanced civilization like krypton wouldn't have genetic freaks like non.

Rust

12-21-2010, 03:40 AM

Robert Maillet or Nathan Jones are more NON-material. Cudmore would be too "pretty" and young here.

Rust

12-21-2010, 04:12 AM

Has Jonathan Bennett been mentioned for Supes?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1057932/

http://pnogal32.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/joben1.jpg

Looks a little like the actor who's name rhymes with mouth... heh.

Stripesy Strip

12-21-2010, 06:04 AM

For me,Cudmore screams Superman!
At least physically.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4196/twilightfaneventinberli.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6034/59123201.jpg

And screams Clark Kent!
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1264/clarkdaniel.jpg

Daniel has the body type for sure(he is tall and big...strong as Superman should be!) and the looks (ressembling Superman of the Animated Series and Justice League Series).
He has presence,imposes respect and also has the charisma that Superman should have!
But of course,it´s just my opinion. :yay:

Elgaz...with the beard he doesn´t look to have the baby face.
Or do you want a Superman with beard?

Never seen him before but that is the first guy in this entire thread that has had the required Superman elements. Nice face(as in he seems like a nice guy), has the size and muscles in spades. He can punch people in the face and make it look credible.

Maybe not look like the Alex Ross Superman(my ideal take on Superman) but he can be "A" Superman. I could see him as Captain Marvel/Shazam! also.

baleheadbrasil

12-21-2010, 06:21 AM

^
Hallelujah! Finally there are some people that agree with me in this forum...

Stripesy Strip

12-21-2010, 06:34 AM

^
Hallelujah! Finally there are some people that agree with me in this forum...

All it takes is one right person to make others see the light!

RalphD

12-21-2010, 07:13 AM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 07:28 AM

Seeing that makes my want Cavill as Superman even more

baleheadbrasil

12-21-2010, 07:30 AM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

I cant´see no one of both on this guy .:o
A 18 years-old Clark Kent,maybe.

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 07:35 AM

Jesus Baleshead you're like a broken record, there's having an opinion and then theres doing what you are doing

baleheadbrasil

12-21-2010, 07:40 AM

Ok,I won´t talk about Cavill anymore.

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 07:50 AM

Ok,I won´t talk about Cavill anymore.

I'm not telling you what to do but you are saying the same thing over and over. Its fine that you don't want Cavill for Superman but some of the comments you are coming out with are ridiculous.

I'm sorry if I was snappy

GreenKToo

12-21-2010, 08:05 AM

I agree, it gets old, and i'm not even a cavill backer.

Tra-El

12-21-2010, 09:08 AM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg

Wow, whoever took this snap shot really captured a Superman moment. He could be a great one if givin a strong hard look.

RalphD

12-21-2010, 10:25 AM

It's actually a manip Tra-el, the original head wasn't very Supermanish at all. :D

Compi716

12-21-2010, 11:33 AM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg
This image, while a fine, well done manip, epitomizes exactly why I don't think Cavill should play Superman. There is nothing mild mannered about this...in fact, had I not known what it was, I'd have assumed this was an add for Calvin Klein. Cavill is a good looking guy, and I want to argue that he may in fact be too good looking for the role.

Rust

12-21-2010, 11:50 AM

Cavill can definitely look mild-mannered. In some pictures he very much has that grandma-charm about him.

But yeah, he might be too "pretty" and not rugged enough as I have pointed out before.

He's been my first choice for a long time, but right now I have none. Dunno what happened. All suggestions are just empty names until they make something official. This blows... and sucks...

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 11:57 AM

I'm sure we'll hear something soon, I'm still holding out for a New Years eve announcement

Rust

12-21-2010, 12:02 PM

Close to the new year anyways. I say december 28th or january 3rd for some kind of official news. Strange in between dates.

Dark Knight

12-21-2010, 12:41 PM

How do you know such a thing when he was never really givin' an opportunity at a big role that he OBVIOUSLY would put his heart and determination in? You won't find it because he was never givin the chance. We will find out soon, I hope. WB needs to at LEAST give us a riddle of some sort, DAMN!

All that means nothing if you just don't have the talent to back it up.

All the petitioning and having people ride his jock on facebook will get him nowhere without the talent and look to take it to the next level.

Sorry.

Maze

12-21-2010, 12:48 PM

Or you just don't see that he has talent ;)

RalphD

12-21-2010, 12:57 PM

This image, while a fine, well done manip, epitomizes exactly why I don't think Cavill should play Superman. There is nothing mild mannered about this...in fact, had I not known what it was, I'd have assumed this was an add for Calvin Klein. Cavill is a good looking guy, and I want to argue that he may in fact be too good looking for the role.

I tend to agree, I would prefer an older Superman, since I'm a huge fan of Alex Ross' artwork. However, I doubt WB would go for the rugged mature looking Supes, therefore Cavill is the best actor among the younger looking square jawed options we've seen (so far). He may be too handsome in the conventional sense, but at least he's got the right features. There are so many ways to screw this up that his casting is a fairly safe solution. Some fans certainly won't love it, but I can see how the Smallville fanbase could relate to a younger looking lead, Routh/Reeve fans won't be too displeased, since he has charisma. And well, the female audience certainly won't complain.

Unless they hire an unknown, unproven actor actor, which would a be very risky choice for a reboot (unless they find another talented Reeve look-alike), I would take solid acting over uncanny resemblance to comic book Superman.

To sum it up: He doesn't scream Superman to me, but from the choices presented, I've yet to see a better one with the right features who can can actually ACT.

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 01:14 PM

Close to the new year anyways. I say december 28th or january 3rd for some kind of official news. Strange in between dates.

ha ha any reason why those dates?

GreenKToo

12-21-2010, 01:41 PM

ha ha any reason why those dates?
It's my B-day the 28th ;)

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 01:50 PM

It's my B-day the 28th ;)

Lets hope you're right then :p

Maze

12-21-2010, 01:50 PM

Lol Well it's my bithday today, bring it on!

(not true..:o:woot:)

HighFivingMF

12-21-2010, 01:54 PM

Lol Well it's my bithday today, bring it on!

(not true..:o:woot:)
Well happy birthday!

:cmad: Why you lying son of a...

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 02:13 PM

Lol Well it's my bithday today, bring it on!

(not true..:o:woot:)

Happy Birthday, now I hope you get your birthday wish :D

I should have read the spoiler first ha ha

darkzombiemutt

12-21-2010, 02:29 PM

I dont think the actor playing Superman needs to be a huge imposing person like Cudmore, Reeve was a stick when he won the part. He wasn't gigantic until like Superman 3, and it didn't improve his performance (granted, it didn't hurt it either, the script did). And besides, Cudmore was Colossus. They should probably stop recycling superhero actors, casting them in different roles. There are plenty of other actors out there who could fit the bill.

kal-elrebooted

12-21-2010, 03:44 PM

I know that I'm for Manganiello as Superman but he doesn't get the part, I would say Adam Gregory since the reboot is going to be about the early years.

BH/HHH

12-21-2010, 04:20 PM

I know that I'm for Manganiello as Superman but he doesn't get the part, I would say Adam Gregory since the reboot is going to be about the early years.

6 foot 2 has a decent look wouldnt be opposed to it but can he act?

kal-elrebooted

12-21-2010, 05:07 PM

6 foot 2 has a decent look wouldnt be opposed to it but can he act?
Well I'm not sure but I hope so. He has a young superman look and i hope he does a great job if he is cast as superman.

Tra-El

12-21-2010, 05:20 PM

All that means nothing if you just don't have the talent to back it up.

All the petitioning and having people ride his jock on facebook will get him nowhere without the talent and look to take it to the next level.

Sorry.

I don't know what you're sorry about, but everything is just observation at this point in talking about ANYONE right now, but to already bring the hammer (not Arnie) down on a possible actor before he even read one single line from a script yet is just being un-fair. Right now, I'll take anybody. I trust in WB and Snyder to bring us a Superman we can ALL get behind leading into the next era.

XxDelta09xX

12-22-2010, 04:13 AM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

There's Superman!:super:

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 05:00 AM

Well I'm not sure but I hope so. He has a young superman look and i hope he does a great job if he is cast as superman.

I wouldn't hate it if he were cast just aslong as he can act

baleheadbrasil

12-22-2010, 06:29 AM

There's Superman!:super:

I don´t see where. :woot:

elgaz

12-22-2010, 06:53 AM

I don´t see where. :woot:

So you keep saying.

Look, other people don't neccessarily get what you see in Daniel Cudmore, but I don't see any single poster repeating themselves over and over the way you do.

You don't like Cavill for the role, we get it. But a lot of us DO ........ so deal with it.

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 08:07 AM

That's because it's a bad photo from a slick magazine shoot. If he were done up as Superman in the actual movie, he'd look amazing. That's what a lot of people on this board lack, the vision to see that final product.

:up: great post

Cavill would make a great Superman and hopefully it'l happen.

elgaz

12-22-2010, 08:31 AM

DrMylesOBoogie

12-22-2010, 08:43 AM

But in the end, regardless of whether you liked his portrayal or had any issues with the design of the suit, he himself looked very much like how Superman should look by the time they made the film.
http://www.ohlalaparis.com/photos/uncategorized/brandonrouth110706_1.jpg
No he didn't.

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 08:53 AM

That is a great post indeed.

Let's not forget that early shots of Brandon Routh (long before he made Superman Returns) were not exactly inspiring. But in the end, regardless of whether you liked his portrayal or had any issues with the design of the suit, he himself looked very much like how Superman should look by the time they made the film. Cavill has a great look now and whilst he's not my #1 choice, I'd still more than happy if he got the role and bulked up for it.

http://www.ohlalaparis.com/photos/uncategorized/brandonrouth110706_1.jpg

Great post, its a shame Routh won't get another shot.

I think Cavill would look great as Superman

Frodo

12-22-2010, 09:58 AM

That is a great post indeed.

Let's not forget that early shots of Brandon Routh (long before he made Superman Returns) were not exactly inspiring. But in the end, regardless of whether you liked his portrayal or had any issues with the design of the suit, he himself looked very much like how Superman should look by the time they made the film. Cavill has a great look now and whilst he's not my #1 choice, I'd still more than happy if he got the role and bulked up for it.

http://www.ohlalaparis.com/photos/uncategorized/brandonrouth110706_1.jpg

Good post , if fanboys had seen what Reeve looked like pre bulking up they woulda said he shouldn't be Superman either. The same went for Macguire for Spiderman and Chris Evans for Cap.

The fact is,.First an foremost, they're casting an actor , then they'll work on getting him buff for the role.

elgaz

12-22-2010, 10:02 AM

No he didn't.

In your opinion.

The general consensus on here, from what I've read over the years, is that whilst the suit was questionable, the hair was questionable, and the entire film was questionable .................. Routh undoubtedly had the Superman look - and even more so now that he's filled out a bit.

How can you honestly look at him and say he didn't look like Superman? He has all the qualities of the most popular comic incarnations of Superman, not to mention a strong resemblance to Christopher Reeve who's widely touted as the definitive Superman actor.

HighFivingMF

12-22-2010, 10:04 AM

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 10:05 AM

elgaz

12-22-2010, 10:06 AM

Good post , if fanboys had seen what Reeve looked like pre bulking up they woulda said he shouldn't be Superman either. The same went for Macguire for Spiderman and Chris Evans for Cap.

The fact is,.First an foremost, they're casting an actor , then they'll work on getting him buff for the role.

Exactly. The nerdy and dorky looking guy in the pic above is a million miles from the one below, and who knows what the studio could do with the other actors mentioned also. People need to keep an open mind

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/84623279.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54891629F8AD6E85306 85A2FFD0AC7BF6F6B6E2FA982C4109D0E30A760B0D811297

FilmNerdJamie

12-22-2010, 10:10 AM

Sounds like something I've been saying.

If there was an Internet in 1976, I swear to God fanboys would have **** a lung when the news hit of Reeve being cast and they took one look at his original red-ish blond, tall and pencil-thin demeanor.

Hell, they'd have complained how Guy Hamilton quitting (because he was behind the most popular James Bond films) spelled doom for the productions and how "the Omen guy" was going to **** it up.

Fanboys are frankly too ****ing stupid to think beyond someone who already looks the part for a role.

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 10:15 AM

The internets kind of ruined the movie experience I remember been a kid and knowing barely anything about a film and it was awesome. Now though cause the informations out there I can't help but look.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 10:19 AM

In your opinion.

The general consensus on here, from what I've read over the years, is that whilst the suit was questionable, the hair was questionable, and the entire film was questionable .................. Routh undoubtedly had the Superman look - and even more so now that he's filled out a bit.

How can you honestly look at him and say he didn't look like Superman? He has all the qualities of the most popular comic incarnations of Superman, not to mention a strong resemblance to Christopher Reeve who's widely touted as the definitive Superman actor.

Routh looked liked Christopher Reeve. Because most people view Christopher Reeve as Superman, the logical connection most people make is that Routh looks like Superman. i thought Reeve looked okay for Superman, but we shouldn't be locked into a Reeve look-alike for the role of Superman. I would rather see someone that didn't look like Reeve. Add in the simple fact that Routh is a very below average to average actor, we shouldn't have a Superman based on looks alone. I would rather see the whole package.

Cavill is no longer young, so for someone to compare the Routh photos at a very young age and Cavill to where he is at now in age isn't a very good comparison. Toby put on some muscle for Spiderman, but Spiderman didn't require the physique that Superman does. He wouldn't have had the ability to put on that kind of muscle with his frame. Evans already had a muscular and toned physique and the frame to allow him to put on the bulk he did for Captain America. I have said it before and I will say it again. Not everyone has the capability to bulk up like some actors do. It all depends on the individual's physiology and their natural frame. If everyone who worked out on a program could bulk up then everyone you see in a gym would have a phenomenal build. It just doesn't work that way. People who haven't been a personal trainer just don't seem to grasp that. They take some examples of people who have successfully done so and assume everyone can do it.

Cavill may or may not be able to put on the bulk, his frame is questionable in my eyes to be able to bulk up as much as I personally would like to see for Superman. I am the same height and have a larger frame than Cavill currently does, but don't ever see myself having the right physique or stature for Superman. I just see Superman as being bigger than me. Just a personal opinion. We all have them. :cwink:

Majik1387

12-22-2010, 10:20 AM

Tom Welling also had a lot of buffing up to do when he was first cast for Smallville.

Working out an buffing up comes with the territory of portraying Superman.

Midnight Black

12-22-2010, 10:29 AM

Yeah, I don't get it when people say this persons is too skinny or this person is too buff. It's called dieting and exercising. As long as he looks the part, everything else will fall into place.

On that note. I would like to see Cudmore in a film about, a film about Superman, but not a direct film itself. Kind of how Ben Affleck played Reeves in that film with Adam Brody Hollywood Land or Black Dhalia, I forget.

GreenKToo

12-22-2010, 11:40 AM

I don't care if they are on the thin side right now, they can bulk up to fix that. What I do care about is if he can act, and if he has that ''superman look'' -meaning when I look at the guy, can I see superman in him, and he must have charisma..all the acting and looks in the world won't mean squat if he doesn't have that.

I don't really care if he looks like reeve, routh, or hamm as long as he can make me believe for a couple of hours that he is superman.

SuperZer0

12-22-2010, 12:28 PM

Strange that we haven't heard any official candidates since the Matthew Goode rumor. Maybe the Matthew Goode rumor was really true...

Bruce_Begins

12-22-2010, 12:30 PM

What I do care about is if he can act, and if he has that ''superman look'' -meaning when I look at the guy, can I see superman in him, and he must have charisma..all the acting and looks in the world won't mean squat if he doesn't have that.

Abolutely nailed the concept there. :up:

I don't really care if he looks like reeve, routh, or hamm as long as he can make me believe for a couple of hours that he is superman.

:up: Someone should make that as a Sig.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 12:49 PM

... and he must have charisma..all the acting and looks in the world won't mean squat if he doesn't have that.

I completely agree with you on that. Charisma is the key and what has lacked in many who have attempted to portray superheroes.

hopefuldreamer

12-22-2010, 01:31 PM

Here's my Clark to go with my Superman:

http://d.imagehost.org/0786/clark_cavill.jpg

http://b.imagehost.org/0198/cavill_superman.jpg

This image, while a fine, well done manip, epitomizes exactly why I don't think Cavill should play Superman. There is nothing mild mannered about this...in fact, had I not known what it was, I'd have assumed this was an add for Calvin Klein. Cavill is a good looking guy, and I want to argue that he may in fact be too good looking for the role.

I never particularly thought Clark should 'look' mild mannered. I mean Superman is supposed to be a very yummy male specimin. It's the clothes you put him in, the glasses that cover most of his face, his unconfident slouch and his mild mannered 'nature' that make the fact that he's gorgeous kind of hard to notice.

JAK®

12-22-2010, 02:42 PM

Yeah, I don't get it when people say this persons is too skinny or this person is too buff. It's called dieting and exercising. As long as he looks the part, everything else will fall into place.

This is true to some extent but in some cases there have been actors suggested (like Bomer) for whom bulking up just won't work because the foundations for muscle simply isn't there.

Gaining muscle is more complicated than most people think, and not everybody can gain the same amount of muscle and even if they do they won't look the same.

RachelDawes

12-22-2010, 02:45 PM

Routh looked liked Christopher Reeve. Because most people view Christopher Reeve as Superman, the logical connection most people make is that Routh looks like Superman. i thought Reeve looked okay for Superman, but we shouldn't be locked into a Reeve look-alike for the role of Superman. I would rather see someone that didn't look like Reeve. Add in the simple fact that Routh is a very below average to average actor, we shouldn't have a Superman based on looks alone. I would rather see the whole package.

Cavill is no longer young, so for someone to compare the Routh photos at a very young age and Cavill to where he is at now in age isn't a very good comparison. Toby put on some muscle for Spiderman, but Spiderman didn't require the physique that Superman does. He wouldn't have had the ability to put on that kind of muscle with his frame. Evans already had a muscular and toned physique and the frame to allow him to put on the bulk he did for Captain America. I have said it before and I will say it again. Not everyone has the capability to bulk up like some actors do. It all depends on the individual's physiology and their natural frame. If everyone who worked out on a program could bulk up then everyone you see in a gym would have a phenomenal build. It just doesn't work that way. People who haven't been a personal trainer just don't seem to grasp that. They take some examples of people who have successfully done so and assume everyone can do it.

Cavill may or may not be able to put on the bulk, his frame is questionable in my eyes to be able to bulk up as much as I personally would like to see for Superman. I am the same height and have a larger frame than Cavill currently does, but don't ever see myself having the right physique or stature for Superman. I just see Superman as being bigger than me. Just a personal opinion. We all have them. :cwink:

The actor playing Superman won't need to be an absolutely perfect physical specimen. He'll just need to be able to put on enough muscle to impress the general audience, who won't be anywhere near as demanding as internet fanboys.

JAK®

12-22-2010, 02:48 PM

I don't see how Cavill's frame in any way goes against bulking up. In fact he seems quite big to me.

Majik1387

12-22-2010, 02:49 PM

And despite so many ignorant complaints from fanboys here, I don't see them making Superman's suit without some padding and airbrushing, no matter how bulked up the actor is.

darkzombiemutt

12-22-2010, 03:03 PM

Does it really matter? They'll probably pad up the suit on top of the guy's muscles anyway. Who cares.

GoblinWhirlwind

12-22-2010, 03:27 PM

They probably will, but I really hope not. It did not look good on Routh, with the gigantic shoulders and skinny everything else. It all depends on the material, I'd say... put someone with Manganiello's build into Reeve's suit, and it would look awesome, without a stupid muscle suit.

JAK®

12-22-2010, 03:29 PM

But then it would look cheap.

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:29 PM

Strange that we haven't heard any official candidates since the Matthew Goode rumor. Maybe the Matthew Goode rumor was really true...

There was an Anderson Davies rumour after the Matthew Goode rumour. I highly doubt Matthew Goode is going to be Superman. I highly doubt Zak Snyder is going to cast him.

baleheadbrasil

12-22-2010, 03:31 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/SimpsonMmyers/teen2.jpg

Gorgeous!!!!! :hrt:
He was the most gorgeous and enchanting man in the whole world!!! :hrt:
Unique!!!
Oh,Reeve,why did you leave us?? :csad:
Come back!!! :´(

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:32 PM

I don't hate these muscle suits cause they're more like definition suits. There's not that much padding.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 03:33 PM

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:35 PM

Well, I have worked in the television/film industry and I have worked in the fitness industry. Not really a "fanboy" by definition, I just get a kick out of ignorant statements that anyone can put on muscle, which is factually incorrect. Some can...some can't. If you study exercise physiology you will learn that.

There is a side to casting roles such as this that image plays an important part. For certain roles the studio wants someone who can stand up to the role off camera as well as on camera. I would be surprised if WB casts someone who doesn't look the part off screen as well.

Yeah I think you may be right. Brandon Routh was someone who fit the bill he is a really nice guy off camera & has the look and WBs will want someone who can be Superman on and off camera.

GoblinWhirlwind

12-22-2010, 03:36 PM

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:40 PM

Of all Superman candidates, I'd say Routh IS the one that looks the most like Superman in everyday life. Always clean-cut, in at least decent shape, and an all around nice guy.

Cavill on the other hand always looks scuffy. Not that that makes any difference for the role to me though.

I think thats why Routh had supporters at WB's for more than just his part in Superman Returns, he sort of comes across as Superman in real life, he's already settled down aswell and isn't frequently partying etc.

Yeah I get what you're saying on Cavill but I doubt they'd be that bothered about someone having a beard now and then. I think they'd just want him to be a nice guy off the screen at least as far as the public would see anyway.

darkzombiemutt

12-22-2010, 03:43 PM

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:45 PM

I would say Routh and Welling have have the look and attitude on and off screen that you speak of. I just have a gut feeling they are looking at someone flashier, like Cavill. He seems more "hollywood" Superman... more modern. I don't know, maybe I'm just talking outta mu butt.

Lol well Routh and Welling won't be Superman in the next film anyway thats quite evident. I just hope they do go with Henry Cavill.

baleheadbrasil

12-22-2010, 03:45 PM

Routh back would be the best thing that could happen!
I´m rooting for this...despite the movie being a reboot
I´d love to see him back!

GoblinWhirlwind

12-22-2010, 03:47 PM

If fan support helped Bale get Batman, with any luck the same will go for Cavill. I'd say he has the most support of any actor that hasn't played Clark/Superman before.

DrMylesOBoogie

12-22-2010, 03:50 PM

I think thats why Routh had supporters at WB's for more than just his part in Superman Returns, he sort of comes across as Superman in real life, he's already settled down aswell and isn't frequently partying etc.
Rotuh does seem to have all the wholesome and good nature that I would like in an actor playing Superman. He comes accross really well in interviews. I was hoping there was something to the theory of him being in such a bad film that it somehow hindered his performance. However having seen him in Chuck and that really bad Kevin Smith film, I think that theory can be thrown out the window. He is a terrible actor that with a monatone voice and an absolute vacuum of all energy surrounding him.

BH/HHH

12-22-2010, 03:53 PM

Routh back would be the best thing that could happen!
I´m rooting for this...despite the movie being a reboot
I´d love to see him back!

To be honest Routh is my number 1 choice but with this been a reboot its not gonna happen.

If fan support helped Bale get Batman, with any luck the same will go for Cavill. I'd say he has the most support of any actor that hasn't played Clark/Superman before.

Yeah I'd agree with that, I know Bale was linked with Batman before Nolan and apparently Nolan already wanted Bale but I like to think that the fan support helped aswell perhaps very much in the eyes of WB's. Let's hope the Cavill support can land him the role.

DrMylesOBoogie

12-22-2010, 03:54 PM

If fan support helped Bale get Batman, with any luck the same will go for Cavill. I'd say he has the most support of any actor that hasn't played Clark/Superman before.
...on this board.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 04:15 PM

Rotuh does seem to have all the wholesome and good nature that I would like in an actor playing Superman. He comes accross really well in interviews. I was hoping there was something to the theory of him being in such a bad film that it somehow hindered his performance. However having seen him in Chuck and that really bad Kevin Smith film, I think that theory can be thrown out the window. He is a terrible actor that with a monatone voice and an absolute vacuum of all energy surrounding him.

That is the challenge with Routh. He has the right image, but lacks the charisma and acting skills on screen.

Majik1387

12-22-2010, 04:47 PM

Does it really matter? They'll probably pad up the suit on top of the guy's muscles anyway. Who cares.
Too many people on this board. The complaints about the Superman Returns suit and the Spidey suits continue to this day
They probably will, but I really hope not. It did not look good on Routh, with the gigantic shoulders and skinny everything else. It all depends on the material, I'd say... put someone with Manganiello's build into Reeve's suit, and it would look awesome, without a stupid muscle suit.
That would be a really horrible idea.
But then it would look cheap.
Exactly
That is the challenge with Routh. He has the right image, but lacks the charisma and acting skills on screen.
The script didn't help much.

GoblinWhirlwind

12-22-2010, 04:51 PM

That would be a really horrible idea.

I'm not saying USE Reeve's suit, just that if someone is muscular enough, you don't need stupid padding. Routh wore a full body muscle suit in SR. Did it help? Not one bit. He looked like a lanky basketball player.

Majik1387

12-22-2010, 04:57 PM

I'm not saying USE Reeve's suit, just that if someone is muscular enough, you don't need stupid padding. Routh wore a full body muscle suit in SR. Did it help? Not one bit. He looked like a lanky basketball player.
No he didn't. That's where airbrushing the costume comes into play. It shades the areas that fabric simply won't hug like the way the super hero's costumes in the comics do.

Dark Knight

12-22-2010, 05:47 PM

Where is MechaDexx with some alleged inside info??

Frodo

12-22-2010, 05:55 PM

Toby put on some muscle for Spiderman, but Spiderman didn't require the physique that Superman does. He wouldn't have had the ability to put on that kind of muscle with his frame. Evans already had a muscular and toned physique and the frame to allow him to put on the bulk he did for Captain America. I have said it before and I will say it again. Not everyone has the capability to bulk up like some actors do. It all depends on the individual's physiology and their natural frame. If everyone who worked out on a program could bulk up then everyone you see in a gym would have a phenomenal build. It just doesn't work that way. People who haven't been a personal trainer just don't seem to grasp that. They take some examples of people who have successfully done so and assume everyone can do it.

I think the point is that fanboys tend to see any actor who's slender or slight and think that they can't bulk up to look like they're comic book counter part. Later they're stunned to see how buff they are once they've acted the part. People have forgotten who much flack Maguire because he wasn't buff before Spiderman and his ripped look was quite a difference for him anyway. Look at his films like Pleasantville and Wonder Boys to see the image people had of him. Evans was in shape before Cap but nothing like he is now and I would argue his body changed alot. I could even throw in Daniel Craig 's name pre bond .

Yes, it's true genetics play a part as well as training but the fact of the matter is they aren't casting bodybuilders or personal trainers, they're casting actors . If the actor they chose can't get bigger then Reeve or Routh , the film makers aren't gonna lose sleep.

Excelsior.

12-22-2010, 06:08 PM

If fan support helped Bale get Batman, with any luck the same will go for Cavill. I'd say he has the most support of any actor that hasn't played Clark/Superman before.At least half the fans who supported Bale have turned on him.

I still think the next Superman will be someone we never even heard of. Kinda like that girl in True Grit, who gives an amazing performance by the way.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 06:20 PM

The script didn't help much.

I felt the same way until I saw more of his work. I guess the script in Chuck, Zack and Miri Make a Porn and what I have seen of the Dylan Dawg Trailer aren't helping him much either. :cwink:

Frodo@ I guess we will need to agree to disagree on Evans. He already was fairly muscular and very defined when he played Johnny Storm. He simply put more mass on a frame that was already there. As for Toby, he did put on some decent muscle, but people in the fitness arena would never refer to him as being "ripped". The term is used way too loosely by the average person.

HighFivingMF

12-22-2010, 06:22 PM

I guess the script in Chuck, Zack and Miri Make a Porn and what I have seen of the Dylan Dawg Trailer aren't helping him much either. :cwink:
Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday. :o

C. Lee

12-22-2010, 06:36 PM

Well, I have worked in the television/film industry and I have worked in the fitness industry. Not really a "fanboy" by definition, I just get a kick out of ignorant statements that anyone can put on muscle as needed, which is factually incorrect. Some can...some can't. If you study exercise physiology you will learn that. The body's chemistry and physiology acts differently from person to person.

There is a side to casting roles such as this that image plays an important part. For certain roles the studio wants someone who can stand up to the role off camera as well as on camera. I would be surprised if WB casts someone who doesn't look the part off screen as well.

I appreciate that you may have worked in the fitness field and may have some professional knowledge of what it takes for people to add muscles to thier frames....but there are better ways to explain that you may know something they don't than to say that they make ignorant statements about it.

Strider14

12-22-2010, 06:47 PM

I appreciate that you may have worked in the fitness field and may have some professional knowledge of what it takes for people to add muscles to thier frames....but there are better ways to explain that you may know something they don't than to say that they make ignorant statements about it.

My apology as I was reacting to comments implying I was ignorant. It won't happen again. I let that get to me more than I should have.

Majik1387

12-22-2010, 07:37 PM

I felt the same way until I saw more of his work. I guess the script in Chuck, Zack and Miri Make a Porn and what I have seen of the Dylan Dawg Trailer aren't helping him much either. :cwink:
The Chuck show pretty much sucks, and I wouldn't put it past it that it's probably because of the script I haven't seen Zack and Miri yet, but from what I remember of trailers, he has a limited bit part.
I haven't seen the Dylan Dawg trailer yet.

His role in Scott Pilgrim was awesome.:up:

Frodo

12-22-2010, 07:41 PM

I felt the same way until I saw more of his work. I guess the script in Chuck, Zack and Miri Make a Porn and what I have seen of the Dylan Dawg Trailer aren't helping him much either. :cwink:

Frodo@ I guess we will need to agree to disagree on Evans. He already was fairly muscular and very defined when he played Johnny Storm. He simply put more mass on a frame that was already there. As for Toby, he did put on some decent muscle, but people in the fitness arena would never refer to him as being "ripped". The term is used way too loosely by the average person.

I don't think I disagree with you on Evans, my point is just that Evans and Macguire both , caught flack from fanboys before getting the role mainly do to their physicality in previous roles or their current appearence.

I think that alot of times fanboys jump on a casting choices by the filmmakers because the actor at the point doesn't fit what they think the character should look like in a variety of area's including physical appearence.

However they don't take into account that these actors dye their hair, bulk up, loose weight etc once they get the role. In other words, there's a process ,and just because Linda Hamilton was skinny in Terminator , doesn't mean she can't look fit and tough in T2.

Night Owl

12-22-2010, 07:48 PM

jesusmagicka

12-22-2010, 09:10 PM

I have to say, I'm really warming to the idea of Cudmore for superman :up:

His face is lumpy. I'd prefer a Superman who wouldn't scare off young children.

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 12:28 AM

Cudmore would make a great Bizarro.

DorkyFresh

12-23-2010, 12:30 AM

Snyder and WB, Conway please...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/Spencerman-3.jpg

....thanks again.

I Am The Knight

12-23-2010, 12:36 AM

Cudmore would make a great Bizarro.

That is Tom Welling's role to play! :oldrazz:

Lone

12-23-2010, 01:23 AM

Snyder and WB, Conway please...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/Spencerman-3.jpg

....thanks again.

He looks like a younger Jon Hamm there.

Micah12345

12-23-2010, 01:38 AM

So they know they're filming in vancouver. Is that something they usually figure out before or after they cast actors for the parts?

Micah12345

12-23-2010, 01:48 AM

That's strange, SHH just took down the story.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 04:09 AM

That's strange, SHH just took down the story.

Its still there

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/112435-new-superman-movie-to-shoot-in-vancouver

GreenKToo

12-23-2010, 05:09 AM

He looks like a younger Jon Hamm there.
I thought the same thing at first glance.

FilmNerdJamie

12-23-2010, 06:19 AM

So they know they're filming in vancouver. Is that something they usually figure out before or after they cast actors for the parts?

Before. By the time they're casting, sets are being designed if not already under construction. It's irrelevant if the actor already lives near said location. Which is why those thinking Tom Welling could be in the equation because of the Vancouver move are amusing. Snyder has made every movie up in Canada - this was expected. Talk about "1 + 1 = 5" logic.

Hell, there are interviews of Routh back in early '07 (when the Singer sequel was still happening) talking about how they were probably going to move to Canada for the next one.

Rust

12-23-2010, 07:29 AM

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Puckenstein

12-23-2010, 08:06 AM

Routh was the same old Routh in Scott Pilgrim, delivering his lines like the plank of wood he is. And the Spencer Conway love is just... amusing. Sometimes I think people latch on to certain actors so that on the completely off-chance that said actor is cast, they can claim that they nominated them first and have supported them since before anyone knew who they were. I remember in particular one poster being so far up McPartlin's @$$ last time that they could tell you what he had for supper. But, as soon as Routh was cast, they pretty much disavowed ever supporting McPartlin and suddenly they were Routh's #1 fan. Silly really.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 09:06 AM

I liked Routh in Scott Pilgrim, in my opinion he was the best of the evil exes. I'd love to see him get another shot at Superman but ain't gonna happen. That's why I'm backing my other choice Henry Cavill so highly.

DorkyFresh

12-23-2010, 09:08 AM

And the Spencer Conway love is just... amusing. Sometimes I think people latch on to certain actors so that on the completely off-chance that said actor is cast, they can claim that they nominated them first and have supported them since before anyone knew who ther were.
i've explained my support for Conway before....and it simply comes down to who i would like to see most in the role. there are a thousand other unknown "actors" out there who somewhat look the part that i could've gotten behind in the off-chance that if they get the role i could claim i "discovered" them but i just think that Conway, out of ALLLLLLL the actors proposed in this thread, feels the most like Superman without even having to act.

besides, i never have and never WILL claim to have nominated him first (i forget who it was, but it wasn't me). i don't seek that sort of trivial title. seeing as this is just a message board, it's not like i'd really get anything from claiming i'm the first to know about Spencer Conway. it first comes down to his looks. i feel he has an incredibly strong resemblance to Superman and a nice, strong build. then of course comes the acting. he's a theatrically trained actor, which is ALWAYS a plus in my book, and the videos i've seen of him have shown me enough to know that he'd play a great Superman. my only concern is that he doesn't have much of a film resume' but neither did Chris Reeve when he was cast.

regardless, why does it bother you how we support who we support? it's our opinion and we're entitled to it regardless of how logical or illogical that opinion may be. your post practically offered no constructive insight or even criticism about the actors themselves...all you really did was hit on the members of the board. you would've done better if you actually gave your reasons why Conway might not be the best person for the job. how about you argue the topic as opposed to the people who are discussing/supporting the topic?

C. Lee

12-23-2010, 09:16 AM

So they know they're filming in vancouver. Is that something they usually figure out before or after they cast actors for the parts?

It definately comes into play into the casting of some parts. Canada is one of those countries that has a law about movies being filmed there having to have a certain percentage of the actors being Canadian.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 09:19 AM

i've explained my support for Conway before....and it simply comes down to who i would like to see most in the role. there are a thousand other unknown "actors" out there who somewhat look the part that i could've gotten behind in the off-chance that if they get the role i could claim i "discovered" them but i just think that Conway, out of ALLLLLLL the actors proposed in this thread, feels the most like Superman without even having to act.

besides, i never have and never WILL claim to have nominated him first (i forget who it was, but it wasn't me). i don't seek that sort of trivial title. seeing as this is just a message board, it's not like i'd really get anything from claiming i'm the first to know about Spencer Conway. it first comes down to his looks. i feel he has an incredibly strong resemblance to Superman and a nice, strong build. then of course comes the acting. he's a theatrically trained actor, which is ALWAYS a plus in my book, and the videos i've seen of him have shown me enough to know that he'd play a great Superman. my only concern is that he doesn't have much of a film resume' but neither did Chris Reeve when he was cast.

regardless, why does it bother you how we support who we support? it's our opinion and we're entitled to it regardless of how logical or illogical that opinion may be. your post practically offered no constructive insight or even criticism about the actors themselves...all you really did was hit on the members of the board. how about you argue the topic as opposed to the people who are discussing/supporting the topic?

He definitely has the look, also there's a facebook page dedicated to him been cast as Superman.

how old is he?

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 09:22 AM

That is Tom Welling's role to play! :oldrazz:

Hmmm, well, you do have a point. He has already been playing him for 10 years. :hehe:

DorkyFresh

12-23-2010, 09:23 AM

He definitely has the look, also there's a facebook page dedicated to him been cast as Superman.

how old is he?
i got that last pic from his page, hehe. not sure about his age...i believe 31 or 32.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 09:26 AM

not sure...i believe 31 or 32.

Well thats a decent age aswell, if he were to be cast I would be happy with that.

Do you have any clue how tall he is?

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 09:38 AM

He does really look like a younger Jon Hamm in that pic. But do we know if he's really any good? All I've seen of his is that youtube video where the guy say's he's found the perfect Superman. It was funny, but it didn't really display his acting ability.

I know he's theatre-trained, which is a plus, but... stage acting is different from acting on film and some actors can't make the transition. Has he done anything substantial on film that might give me a clue as to his acting ability?

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 09:41 AM

I've seen a few clips of him nothing spectacular mind but I think he seems ok.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1169888281217

http://vimeo.com/14837152

RachelDawes

12-23-2010, 12:32 PM

If fan support helped Bale get Batman, with any luck the same will go for Cavill. I'd say he has the most support of any actor that hasn't played Clark/Superman before.

I don't think fan support had anything to do with Bale landing Batman. From what I've heard, he was being looked at back when Aronofsky was attached as director, then Nolan championed him for the role.

Yes, it's true genetics play a part as well as training but the fact of the matter is they aren't casting bodybuilders or personal trainers, they're casting actors . If the actor they chose can't get bigger then Reeve or Routh , the film makers aren't gonna lose sleep.

This.

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 01:50 PM

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 01:58 PM

What I find funny are the people who think that certain actors would be (or have been) a good Superman based on how they've handled themselves in interviews. Interviews essentially prove nothing. There are plenty of actors who come off charming and likeable in interviews but have zero charisma or range when it comes to actual acting. Conversely, there are actors like Bale and Edward Norton who don't like to do interviews (and don't always come off the best when they do) and yet they are phenomenal talents.

It all comes back to this stupid idea that the guy who plays Superman "needs to be Superman on and off the screen." These people are actors; what they do beyond that is none of our business. This time, why don't we worry about finding a guy who can act like Superman when he is ON the screen.

To be honest its not so much what we expect as what WB's expects. WB's obviously believe that the man who plays Superman has to be like Superman off the screen and I think its a legacy that has been left by Christopher Reeve. So its more the case of WB's expects it than us, tbh I'd rather we had someone who was at least decent off screen, I wouldn't want to look back at a film I love knowing that the actor was a douche or got into drugs or something (e.g. Corey Haim).

JAK®

12-23-2010, 02:01 PM

To be honest its not so much what we expect as what WB's expects. WB's obviously believe that the man who plays Superman has to be like Superman off the screen and I think its a legacy that has been left by Christopher Reeve. So its more the case of WB's expects it than us, tbh I'd rather we had someone who was at least decent off screen, I wouldn't want to look back at a film I love knowing that the actor was a douche or got into drugs or something (e.g. Corey Haim).
George Reeves I'd say. He was constantly referred to as Superman and the role extended to his public appearances.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 02:12 PM

George Reeves I'd say. He was constantly referred to as Superman and the role extended to his public appearances.

Ah yeah you're probably right there didn't think about that

Showtime

12-23-2010, 02:12 PM

It all comes back to this stupid idea that the guy who plays Superman "needs to be Superman on and off the screen." These people are actors; what they do beyond that is none of our business. This time, why don't we worry about finding a guy who can act like Superman when he is ON the screen.

Tell that to WB. That is how they view it.

This actor that is representing Superman is representing a character with certain values. WB believes if this actor is out and about smoking weed and getting arrested for soliciting prostitution, they probably won't be a good investment.

It is like that on many levels of life, especially the business world. Whether some of us like it or not, WB is running a business and the actor playing Superman would be working for them.

I can't necessarily argue that.

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 02:13 PM

FilmNerdJamie

12-23-2010, 02:14 PM

What I find funny are the people who think that certain actors would be (or have been) a good Superman based on how they've handled themselves in interviews. Interviews essentially prove nothing. There are plenty of actors who come off charming and likeable in interviews but have zero charisma or range when it comes to actual acting. Conversely, there are actors like Bale and Edward Norton who don't like to do interviews (and don't always come off the best when they do) and yet they are phenomenal talents.

Nothing's more laughable than the "So and so looks the part thus they should be cast" mentality. Which a lot of posters here suffer from.

It all comes back to this stupid idea that the guy who plays Superman "needs to be Superman on and off the screen." These people are actors; what they do beyond that is none of our business. This time, why don't we worry about finding a guy who can act like Superman when he is ON the screen.

They're spending anywhere between $200-$300 million to physically make the movie. Then there's $100 million (most likely more) for marketing. Plus all that merchandising and deals with other companies. Not to mention any future sequels and what not.

That's a massive investment. So they have every right to be picky about whom they choose to put in that suit. Said actor will be the "face" of the character and franchise for possibly years.

There's absolutely nothing "stupid" about their mentality.

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 02:16 PM

Tell that to WB. That is how they view it.

This actor that is representing Superman is representing a character with certain values. WB believes if this actor is out and about smoking weed and getting arrested for soliciting prostitution, they probably won't be a good investment.

It is like that on many levels of life, especially the business world. Whether some of us like it or not, WB is running a business and the actor playing Superman would be working for them.

I can't necessarily argue that.

I agree with you, but who among any of the actors we've discussed is getting high in public and picking up hookers? I mean, maybe some of these guys are, but I haven't heard anything.

I would look at it like a job interview... if you have a criminal record or a really, really bad reputation, you're probably not going to get the job. Anything beyond that is pretty silly.

Showtime

12-23-2010, 02:17 PM

Yeah, but WB needs to stop pedaling that. George Reeves benefited from the fact that tabloid reporting wasn't what it is today. He had plenty of scandal in his life. And whether you believe he committed suicide or he was murdered... either way, he was clearly a man who had some serious personal problems.

As for Chris Reeve; it was really only after his accident that he developed such a public persona offscreen, as an activist. He had devoted himself to some causes and things before that, but overall, I don't think he was known as Superman offscreen.

Though both actors did have a problem when pursuing other roles, because onscreen, people just thought of them as Superman. Reeve, ironically, did have the opportunity to change that, but he turned down most of the roles that would have allowed that to happen.

I think you're mixing up what WB wants with the actors who previously played Superman and the future Superman being typecast in the role.

WB obviously doesn't want these actors to be typecast or actually be Superman off screen, ie walk around in the suit or stop speeding trains. They want an actor to due the character justice, ie portray the image of clean living so on and so forth off camera.

Don't expect Lindsey Lohan as Lois and Charlie Sheen as Superman.

Showtime

12-23-2010, 02:19 PM

I agree with you, but who among any of the actors we've discussed is getting high in public and picking up hookers? I mean, maybe some of these guys are, but I haven't heard anything.

I would look at it like a job interview... if you have a criminal record or a really, really bad reputation, you're probably not going to get the job. Anything beyond that is pretty silly.

Well that would be what is meant by "needs to be Superman on and off the screen." Carrying themselves in a certain manner. Which you seemed to indicate shouldn't be a factor.

Strider14

12-23-2010, 02:25 PM

I completely concur with Showtime and the others that have commented as I mentioned it prior. Even when it comes to some commercial and print advertising the companies who are hiring the talent to represent them want to make sure their image carries through off screen as well. That's why you see professional athletes lose high dollar endorsement deals when they screw up off the field or court of play. Studios are no different when it comes to certain iconic roles and Superman would be one of those roles. I don't think it necessarily applies to other roles in other movies, but it is always a consideration a studio needs to make. Perhaps one of the reasons we haven't seen much of Mel Gibson lately? :cwink:

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 02:39 PM

Nothing's more laughable than the "So and so looks the part thus they should be cast" mentality. Which a lot of posters here suffer from.

They're spending anywhere between $200-$300 million to physically make the movie. Then there's $100 million (most likely more) for marketing. Plus all that merchandising and deals with other companies. Not to mention any future sequels and what not.

That's a massive investment. So they have every right to be picky about whom they choose to put in that suit. Said actor will be the "face" of the character and franchise for possibly years.

There's absolutely nothing "stupid" about their mentality.

Definitely :up:

I personally don't feel that he has to be a Superman off screen but if he did stupid ass things l**** taking drugs or acting like a twonk off screen then it would definitely effect the way I vue them on screen especially when they're playing my favourite character of all-time.

That-Guy

12-23-2010, 02:54 PM

I think my message got a little bit misconstrued here. If I was running WB, I wouldn't want a drughead or some other type of an embarrassment playing Superman either. Acting is like any other profession; just because you might not be "on the clock" doesn't mean that you shouldn't take a step back and think before you do something very stupid and public. No one wants a Rex Ryan type playing Superman.

What I was talking about is how some people (a lot of them on this board) made arguments that I found to be a bit silly about why they felt some actors were perfect for the role. Some people argued that Routh, for example, was the ideal Superman because he grew up in the Midwest and comes off like a nice guy in real life. While those are certainly good attributes, what do they have to do with his ability to play the character?

If you felt that he played the role well, then fine. But if you were lukewarm on his performance and then you had another actor, who looked the part just as much and was clearly more talented, would you really want to go with the guy who didn't wow you over the one who did, just because the better actor was from somewhere other than the Midwest and/or wasn't as instantly charming in an interview?

So yes, I agree with you that they would want someone who isn't completely controversial offscreen to play the role. I just worry that they might be taking it a step too far (i.e., if they are, in fact ruling out anyone but American actors) and will wind up casting someone who can't act just because they are so impressed by how he carries himself off-camera.

BH/HHH

12-23-2010, 03:02 PM

I think my message got a little bit misconstrued here. If I was running WB, I wouldn't want a drughead or some other type of an embarrassment playing Superman either. Acting is like any other profession; just because you might not be "on the clock" doesn't mean that you shouldn't take a step back and think before you do something very stupid and public. No one wants a Rex Ryan type playing Superman.

What I was talking about is how some people (a lot of them on this board) made arguments that I found to be a bit silly about why they felt some actors were perfect for the role. Some people argued that Routh, for example, was the ideal Superman because he grew up in the Midwest and comes off like a nice guy in real life. While those are certainly good attributes, what do they have to do with his ability to play the character?

If you felt that he played the role well, then fine. But if you were lukewarm on his performance and then you had another actor, who looked the part just as much but was clearly more talented, would you really want to go with the guy who didn't wow you over the one who did, just because the better actor was from somewhere other than the Midwest and/or wasn't as instantly charming in an interview?

So yes, I agree with you that they would want someone who isn't completely controversial offscreen to play the role. I just worry that they might be taking it a step too far (i.e., if they are, in fact ruling out anyone but American actors) and will wind up casting someone who can't act just because they are so impressed by how he carries himself off-camera.

Nah I knew what you meant mate I was just expanding on the fact I wouldnt want a div to play Superman and that means actors that are good but are a complete d*ck in real life i.e. Sean Penn, Russell Crowe, etc