The Official Superman Casting & Discussion Thread

[Strider14]

That depends on Immortals. It could be big or it could flop. Who knows?

That's why my following line said he could prove me wrong. :cwink:

Enough of the Cavill talk for me. Everyone has their opinion and we all know what that means.

[I Am The Knight]

i feel bad for all the moderators that have to read this bickering everyday.

What about us regular folk? :o

[Kokomo29]

I'm gonna be straight-up naive and pretend like I have no clue all of this bickering is going on and start throwin' out my casting suggestions, haha.

I am probably gonna get SO much slack for this, but I really think Joseph Gordon-Levitt could do a good job. I would say Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Garrett Hedlund and Armie Hammer are my top choices so far.

I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt because I think he's a very versatile actor. He's done drama, action and science-fiction/fantasy. I don't think Clark Kent/Superman needs to be a huge physical presence necessarily, but rather, I feel his strength comes more from within...

I like Hedlund because I think he has a good "look" for the role. I think he's gonna really make a name for himself now that "TRON: Legacy" has been released and is doing well. I wouldn't be surprised to see his name among those that are under consideration...

And what about good ol' Armie Hammer? Well, I've heard his name mentioned before I think he did great in "The Social Network". He's proven himself as a capable actor and there really is no denying that he has the right "look" for the role, too.

As for the villains, my favorites have always been Brainiac and Metallo. Seeing as how he has previously worked with Snyder, I could really see Matthew Goode as Brainiac - he has the suave, calculating and mysterious demeanor that I think Brainiac needs. Heck, he played the smartest man in the world in "Watchmen", why not the smartest being in the universe? This may be a really cheesy suggestion, but I would love to see Jason Statham as Metallo, I really think he would be perfect; a good "action baddie".


Just my $0.02

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hell, I liked Cavill but I trust Jamie's judgement on the almost impossible chance of him being cast. I'm not saying that I don't want him in the role or that he is a bad actor, I've simply seen no proof that he is even being considered so I decided to not even talk about him anymore.

Everything Jamie has said about the situation makes sense. He's not saying these things to be mean to Cavill supporters, he loves Routh and wants him back in the role but he isn't even pretending that Routh is coming back.

Jamie's a big boy and he can defend himself but I'm tired of some young newbie upstarts crying about what he is saying just because they can't believe that Hollywood doesn't want "their choice to be Superman." Now I hate playing the Newbie card (because there are some great Newbies) but Newbies can so freakin annoying sometimes. You don't know it all, you don't know the dynamics of the boards, you don't know how he treats people or how he posts. End of Story. I've been here since September of 2003 and sometimes a moron will pretend to have the inside track when they have no idea what is going on but Jamie isn't that. I'm pretty sure that we don't agree on politics (lol I don't like to lable myself but I'm decidedly left leaning as anybody can tell if they read my posts, which is why I avoid talking to him about that. We'll have to spar sometime in the feature I bet and hopefully I can convince him to abandon his evil ways :p) but Jamie is a cool ass dude who doesn't bulls**t when it comes to this type of stuff. Unlike alot of people on here he isn't going to put his fingers in his ears and proclaim Brandon Routh the number one choice of WB, if thats not what he is hearing.

Eh, I didn't mean for this to be a "in defense of Jamie" type of post but thats what it turned into. What can I say? I'm tired of all the b**ching. Chalk up the rambling nature in some of my post to the lateness of the hour.

WB needs to cast this thing now so all of the fanboys, including myself (fangirl in my case) can just judge who they cast and not argue about all of this.

[Gianakin_]

Actually I was thinking of getting six contenders in a room and have them play Russian Roulette with 5 bullets. The one who lives wins. :o

That would certainly validate the way fanboys back their choices and hate on the rest:woot:

[That-Guy]

So... what you're essentially saying Spidey, is that Jamie is a right-wing Routh lover?

Ugh, no wonder I can't stand him, no matter how much inside information he supposedly has.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So... what you're essentially saying Spidey, is that Jamie is a right-wing Routh lover?

Ugh, no wonder I can't stand him, no matter how much inside information he supposedly has.:whatever: This isn't a political thread. Get over your Routh, Cavill or *insert actor here* love already. I could bring up that you seemed to enjoy Tron: Legacy as a negative.

Why turn another one of my long, crazy late night ramblious posts into some nasty dig? You are better than that sir.

[hopefuldreamer]

I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt because I think he's a very versatile actor. He's done drama, action and science-fiction/fantasy. I don't think Clark Kent/Superman needs to be a huge physical presence necessarily, but rather, I feel his strength comes more from within...


He's 5'9...

I mean, I really liked Bomer a while back, but eventually I did come to terms with the fact that he'd look too small... and he's 5'11!

He doesn't have to be huge, I mean I think Cavill has the perfect body shape and height and he's only 6ft, but 5'9 would make him the shortest of all the superheroes wouldn't it? Which is just a bit insane IMO

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Levitt just plain isn't right for the role, he is a fine actor. I mean I freakin love him but he isn't right for Superman and Hedlund...yeah his performance in Tron Legacy was terrible.

[BH/HHH]

Joseph Gordon Levitt is just wrong for Superman but he could play so many other great roles as a villain or a superhero. Don't ask me why but I could see him as the Atom.

[Rust]

It's now 2011, so technically I reckon deals have been made or are being made as we type and we literally havent heard about any details so far. Shouldnt the official ball start to roll about now?

Are there any legitimate suggestions from those who actually know, when we might get an official name or when the actor should be locked? Again, I'm thinking production-wise.

[TheLongestDay]

HHmmmmmm...... :D

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/thelongestday_photos/MTS2_soulvoice_59144_tom_welling-1.jpg

[Man of Tomorrow]

So... what you're essentially saying Spidey, is that Jamie is a right-wing Routh lover?

Ugh, no wonder I can't stand him, no matter how much inside information he supposedly has.


:facepalm:


Jamie/Show's information on Cavill having no chance of being involved in the casting process for Superman is legit.

No amount of pictures and manips will change that.

They are going to get some major 'I told you so' opportunities soon.



Why turn another one of my long, crazy late night ramblious posts into some nasty dig? You are better than that sir.

Clearly he isn't.

[Rust]

Jamie/Show's information on Cavill having no chance of being involved in the casting process for Superman is legit.


I hate to be nosy and if you DO have any inside info I'm really not asking for you to spill anything. But damnit, I'm just wondering why this is treated as fact now. Can anyone shed some light on this without getting into trouble?

Please help a Cavill-supporter move on.

[GreenKToo]

It was said long ago that WB wanted an American in the role. Right or wrong, thats what was rumored.
I don't think thats the only reason tho.
From what I heard, routh and welling have a better shot at getting it than cavill, and their chances are not great.
( i'm not opposed to cavill, I wouldnt mind him a bit in the role)

[gillberg2k1]

There's several bits of criteria that they're going off of. It's unfortunate, but it's how the system works. It's been explained over and over again. What's funny is how personal some people are taking this, as if people stating the truth are trying to personally attack the guy. Let's clear the air right now. Nobody is attacking anyone. Nobody is trying to discredit anyone, and nobody is trying to have fun popping anyone's Cavill balloon. (Although after reading some of these ranting and raving posts, I've been tempted).

Nobody who is privy to this has any ill will against Cavill as a person, an actor, etc. Again, I would completely support him if he had a realistic shot.

Just calling it like it is, guys. Can we please move on?

[SuperMike335!!]

There is a reason I've been away from the boards lately. ;p

The overt worship of certain actors for the role.

If you get too attached you are setting yourself up for a 99.9% chance of disappointment.

I just have a list of criteria, and hope the actor who gets cast measures up.

Its Superman forum, not a **insert actor name** forum.

[BH/HHH]

I do want Cavill as my number one choice but I won't be devasted if he's not cast. To be honest I reckon its gonna end up been someone we haven't heard of before.

[Rust]

Yeah, make no mistake. I'm no Cavill-purist either. I just wanted the statements clearified. Again, I'm glad professionals are casting this and I believe they'll do their best. I do hope it's an unknown and someone who has not been mentioned yet. Then these discussions could be "reset".

[Alonsovich]

Two criteria for me. 1: Acting. 2: Square jaw.

[GreenKToo]

If I were a betting man, i'd bet his name has been mentioned here at one time or another, maybe even alot. There aren't that many actors out there who have the right build and looks.
Now they could go in a direction we don't expect and cast someone 6' or less. If so, that opens the door up for alot of names we havent mentioned, but I dont expect them to do that tho.

[Parker Wayne]

I honestly think its gonna be someone none of us have ever heard of or mentioned.

[I Am The Knight]

Like an Irishman!

[HighFivingMF]

Everyone mention every single actor you don't want so they don't get the part!

[Superark]

Hell, I liked Cavill but I trust Jamie's judgement on the almost impossible chance of him being cast. I'm not saying that I don't want him in the role or that he is a bad actor, I've simply seen no proof that he is even being considered so I decided to not even talk about him anymore.

Everything Jamie has said about the situation makes sense. He's not saying these things to be mean to Cavill supporters, he loves Routh and wants him back in the role but he isn't even pretending that Routh is coming back.

Jamie's a big boy and he can defend himself but I'm tired of some young newbie upstarts crying about what he is saying just because they can't believe that Hollywood doesn't want "their choice to be Superman." Now I hate playing the Newbie card (because there are some great Newbies) but Newbies can so freakin annoying sometimes. You don't know it all, you don't know the dynamics of the boards, you don't know how he treats people or how he posts. End of Story. I've been here since September of 2003 and sometimes a moron will pretend to have the inside track when they have no idea what is going on but Jamie isn't that. I'm pretty sure that we don't agree on politics (lol I don't like to lable myself but I'm decidedly left leaning as anybody can tell if they read my posts, which is why I avoid talking to him about that. We'll have to spar sometime in the feature I bet and hopefully I can convince him to abandon his evil ways :p) but Jamie is a cool ass dude who doesn't bulls**t when it comes to this type of stuff. Unlike alot of people on here he isn't going to put his fingers in his ears and proclaim Brandon Routh the number one choice of WB, if thats not what he is hearing.

Eh, I didn't mean for this to be a "in defense of Jamie" type of post but thats what it turned into. What can I say? I'm tired of all the b**ching. Chalk up the rambling nature in some of my post to the lateness of the hour.

WB needs to cast this thing now so all of the fanboys, including myself (fangirl in my case) can just judge who they cast and not argue about all of this.


Thank you! This needed to be said so much. :up:

[Strider14]

I honestly think its gonna be someone none of us have ever heard of or mentioned.

I really hope you are right! :yay: There have been a few "unknowns" mentioned here that I could see fitting the bill though, so I would be fine with a couple of them.

[Majik1387]

Small mind thinking? Nice dig. I have cast talent and have represented talent for television and film in the past so I am not just making stuff up. I think we actually agree but are just using different terminology or are viewing it from a different perspective. I didn't say WB was against the choice of Routh. Typically, a casting director and director are going to approach the studio with the short list, not the other way around. The Director is concerned about what is going to happen on screen as to how the story unfolds and who they feel is going to best portray the role on screen. The studio is going to be concerned about the bigger picture. Who is going to put people in the seats, who is going to be more marketable, who is going to portray the best image for the studio, etc. (and yes...they want someone who can act). You will have a hard time convincing me that didn't and doesn't play a role in casting lead roles.
I'm pretty sure we do agree, because I know the Director of a movie does not have final say on everything(at least if they're not also heavily producing it)
It isn't about being against someone as has already been mentioned. It is about picking out the person they feel is best for the role. If you don't get the role...you don't get the role, whether you are on a short-list or not. You aren't the best person for the role in the eyes of the powers at be if you aren't cast. It doesn't mean you weren't in the running. Cavill was in the running. Again, unless we know the inside conversations of what was decided in casting Routh over Cavill or any of the other short-listers all we can do is speculate.
Exactly, which is why I find all this talk of Cavill not having a shot at all to be ridiculous fanboy assumptions. And so I don't come off as a Cavill shipper or something, I would say the same thing for Routh, Bomer, hell even Welling.
The bottom line in the end is that Cavill was not selected and Routh was. You say potato...I say "potato". :cwink:
I never denied that, Routh was selected by Singer, but Cavill was selected by McG. Times change, castings change and that's fine and understandable, but it doesn't discount an actor who has auditioned for the role before from future movies.
Because there's certain criteria for the role that he does not meet. Therefore, he was excluded and has not seriously been considered for the role since the McG project.

Pardon if I didn't make that clear.
You don't know that he hasn't been seriously considered in the role. That is unless you worked on the production of Superman Returns.
Errr.. no, not at all. Singer viewed the auditions & took a shine to Routh in the same way that McG watched the same auditions & took a shine to Cavill.. had nothing whatsoever to do with WB not seeing him as right for the part. Infact I'm pretty sure that had WB believed this they wouldn't have allowed Cavill become attached to the project.. which they'd have obviously had to OK to begin with.
Exatly.
Bottom line...Cavill did not get the part for SR even though he was on the short list. I will say for the last time, unless someone knows what the discussions and circumstances actually were with Singer and the WB, no one knows the actual facts.
Exactly, but some here seem to feel like they know what went down in the production like they were part of it.
My understanding was that WB and/or Singer thought in the long run that Cavill was too young/boyish-looking for the SR role. That doesn't necessarily mean he was so for the McG role. Whether my sources were accurate or not on that who knows. I won't claim it to be fact. We can go on and play the guessing game forever, but time for me to let this one go. :yay:
And again, that's just an speculation, nothing to be taken as fact.
I don't have a preference per say. Couple of actors out there who could do a damn fine job.

But if I were directing, I'd bring in Sam Jaeger to read. Doesn't have the "look," but that's irrelevant - neither did Reeve.
:huh:
Reeve clearly had the look. Jaeger doesn't, though I do like him as an actor.
And looks is just as important as performance, Jaeger doesn't quite have that balance.
Jamie/Show's information on Cavill having no chance of being involved in the casting process for Superman is legit.
No offense to them in any way, but it is in no way legit; both are not involved in the production of the movie, no sources for them to reference to back up their claims, etc.
They're comments are just that, comments; And nothing's wrong with that, but to say that Cavill is totally out of the running is only something that someone on the production crew would know.

[Strider14]

Exactly, which is why I find all this talk of Cavill not having a shot at all to be ridiculous fanboy assumptions. And so I don't come off as a Cavill shipper or something, I would say the same thing for Routh, Bomer, hell even Welling.

Well, I am not a fanboy of any actor for the role, so that's not my motivation for my comments.

You don't know that he hasn't been seriously considered in the role. That is unless you worked on the production of Superman Returns.

...or if you know someone who was involved with the project. :cwink:


No offense to them in any way, but it is in no way legit; both are not involved in the production of the movie, no sources for them to reference to back up their claims, etc.
They're comments are just that, comments; And nothing's wrong with that, but to say that Cavill is totally out of the running is only something that someone on the production crew would know.

Again...see prior comment ^. If you think everyone involved with the prior SR project and the current project have never shared any information with anyone outside the crew then I don't know what to tell you. Surely you must be wise enough to know that if someone here has connections or sources, they aren't about to discuss those sources on an internet comic book movie discussion forum. It can be very frustrating knowing certain information and not being able to explain how you know that information. Not all claims made by everyone are legitimate, but just because some don't post "sources" for their insight and comments doesn't mean it isn't legit. Food for thought. :cwink:

[TheLongestDay]

Two criteria for me. 1: Acting. 2: Square jaw.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/SpongeBob-SquarePants-p34.jpg

[Majik1387]

Well, I am not a fanboy of any actor for the role, so that's not my motivation for my comments.
Noted.
...or if you know someone who was involved with the project. :cwink:
And if you did, that's one person out of how many on the production team? Before getting to agreements or decisions, there will be clashing of heads; that may be what that someone felt was the reasoning for the decision at the time, but s/he doesn't really know if that's the reasoning for everyone else.
Again...see prior comment ^. If you think everyone involved with the prior SR project and the current project have never shared any information with anyone outside the crew then I don't know what to tell you.
lol I know information leaks out all the time from movie productions, especially in the age of the internet. What I'm saying is that even to this day, no one from the previous SR production has spoke out why an actor wasn't chosen. If there has been, it would be harped on on here by many posters.
Surely you must be wise enough to know that if someone here has connections or sources, they aren't about to discuss those sources on an internet comic book movie discussion forum. It can be very frustrating knowing certain information and not being able to explain how you know that information. Not all claims made by everyone are legitimate, but just because some don't post "sources" for their insight and comments doesn't mean it isn't legit. Food for thought. :cwink:
As someone who's been on this board for almost a decade, I hope you understand why I find it suspect that in the last two-three days that 2 posters just so happen to say they're involved in the industry as either a director and a casting director in this one thread alone only because of some fans support for an actor for a role.

As for not giving up sources, I know why no one gives them up and that's fine, but for posters here to reference sources they may have, they'll get just as much non-believers as believers.

[baleheadbrasil]

I honestly think its gonna be someone none of us have ever heard of or mentioned.


I hope so!
I like surprises! :cwink:

[Parker Wayne]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/SpongeBob-SquarePants-p34.jpg

Ladies and Gentlemen, we've found our new Superman.

[Majik1387]

His face is too boyish.:o

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, make no mistake. I'm no Cavill-purist either. I just wanted the statements clearified. Again, I'm glad professionals are casting this and I believe they'll do their best. I do hope it's an unknown and someone who has not been mentioned yet. Then these discussions could be "reset".

I think its most definitely gonna be

[Alonsovich]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/SpongeBob-SquarePants-p34.jpg

As much as you're trying to be funny... Spongebob would play Superman way better than most fanboy suggestions...:o

[TheLongestDay]

As much as you're trying to be funny... Spongebob would play Superman way better than most fanboy suggestions...:o

Who says Im trying to be funny?? :huh:

[gillberg2k1]

...or if you know someone who was involved with the project. :cwink:


Exactly. I don't need to prove anything around here. My reputation, specifically on the Batman boards has spoken for itself plenty of times. Luckily, since the same studio is behind both Batman AND Superman, I've been fortunate enough to hear a lot of the BS wrapped up in these project(s) from day 1.

Bottom line, and this is the last time I'm going to say this: Cavill doesn't meet certain criteria for the role. This isn't "subjective" criteria that may differ depending on your views. The studio specifically wants a certain image associated with their giant, corporate entity and their property. Case closed. Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings. Jamie and Showtime have also confirmed this and made it clear for a long time now. If Cavill were to be cast in the role, I would be absolutely shocked. Plenty of other posters understand this and have read into it however they'd like.

I come here, because I used to have a blast on these boards in preparation for Begins. Bottom line, I'm a fan who loves discussing this stuff. I don't know ALL the details or even THAT MANY at this point, so it's incredibly fun to contribute and speculate on what's going on behind those doors. But it is also irrelevant and frankly tiresome to read through all of these rants which will have no bearing on any sort of decision making process. They come across as whiney, childish, and stubborn.

[Alonsovich]

Who says Im trying to be funny?? :huh:

I say it... :cmad:














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[batman44]

Hey gill, this isn't really casting question, but have you heard if Lex is even in the movie.

[I Am The Knight]

OK so Cavill's out. Got it.

[RachelDawes]

I am probably gonna get SO much slack for this, but I really think Joseph Gordon-Levitt could do a good job. I would say Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Garrett Hedlund and Armie Hammer are my top choices so far.

Normally I hate the whole physique argument because I don't believe the GA is going to be as demanding as fanboys, but JGL just looks like one of those really skinny guys who can't bulk up.

[GreenKToo]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/SpongeBob-SquarePants-p34.jpg
I don't like his nose, seems off.

[Superark]

Exactly. I don't need to prove anything around here. My reputation, specifically on the Batman boards has spoken for itself plenty of times. Luckily, since the same studio is behind both Batman AND Superman, I've been fortunate enough to hear a lot of the BS wrapped up in these project(s) from day 1.

Bottom line, and this is the last time I'm going to say this: Cavill doesn't meet certain criteria for the role. This isn't "subjective" criteria that may differ depending on your views. The studio specifically wants a certain image associated with their giant, corporate entity and their property. Case closed. Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings. Jamie and Showtime have also confirmed this and made it clear for a long time now. If Cavill were to be cast in the role, I would be absolutely shocked. Plenty of other posters understand this and have read into it however they'd like.

I come here, because I used to have a blast on these boards in preparation for Begins. Bottom line, I'm a fan who loves discussing this stuff. I don't know ALL the details or even THAT MANY at this point, so it's incredibly fun to contribute and speculate on what's going on behind those doors. But it is also irrelevant and frankly tiresome to read through all of these rants which will have no bearing on any sort of decision making process. They come across as whiney, childish, and stubborn.


Denial: It's not just a river in Egypt (bad joke I know! Sorry I couldn't resist)

The bolded part is exactly why I do not frequent or post in this thread the way I use to. It's sad that I actually miss the days when we knew nothing about the next Superman film and had ZERO news. It was a much better place.

I just cannot wait for a Cast to be announced and the film to start rolling so the annoying, obsessed fanboys die down a bit.

[gillberg2k1]

Hey gill, this isn't really casting news but have you heard if Lex is even in the movie.

No idea. I've heard absolutely nothing about the villain(s). I can tell you that personally, I have a hunch Lex will be involved on some level, even if it's just from the shadows or set up for a future film. They're desperately searching for the next Harry Potter-esque franchise, so ideally, they'll be pushing for this thing to set up multiple sequels, regardless of any legal hold ups.

If Lex is involved, I would personally love to see someone like Daniel Craig or Joaquin Phoenix get the role, but that's another thread entirely.

[GreenKToo]

I would think we'll get a ''top of the heap'' A-Lister for Lex...and I think Brainiac will be the main villain, prolly CG or a combination of CG and live action, with another well known actor voicing him.
And if they are wanting another franchise, like gill said, I wouldnt be surprised if they set up darkseid or doomsday for a sequel.

[PreK]

No idea. I've heard absolutely nothing about the villain(s). I can tell you that personally, I have a hunch Lex will be involved on some level, even if it's just from the shadows or set up for a future film. They're desperately searching for the next Harry Potter-esque franchise, so ideally, they'll be pushing for this thing to set up multiple sequels, regardless of any legal hold ups.

If Lex is involved, I would personally love to see someone like Daniel Craig or Joaquin Phoenix get the role, but that's another thread entirely.
So what have you heard relating to the production, if anything?

[HighFivingMF]

If they go for a big star to play Lex I wouldn't mind seeing Leo get the part. Other than the upcoming H.H. Holmes movie he's yet to play a villain. But I have faith in Snyder to pick a cast that suits the characters.

[gillberg2k1]

I would think we'll get a ''top of the heap'' A-Lister for Lex...and I think Brainiac will be the main villain, prolly CG, with another well known actor voicing him.
And if they are wanting another franchise, like gill said, I wouldnt be surprised if they set up darkseid or doomsday for a sequel.

:up:

I think that's what's potentially really cool about this new take on the character. Unlike Nolan's Batman, (which, while excellent, is also very grounded and thus a bit limiting), they're recognizing the potential for ALL of Superman's staple villains to show up at some point or another. This could lead to a lot of great, epic confrontations and experiences.

[GreenKToo]

:up:

I think that's what's potentially really cool about this new take on the character. Unlike Nolan's Batman, (which, while excellent, is also very grounded and thus a bit limiting), they're recognizing the potential for ALL of Superman's staple villains to show up at some point or another. This could lead to a lot of great, epic confrontations and experiences.
its about time is all I can say..I really feel like they missed the boat by not promoting each hero in the others solo film...A brief cameo of clark in gotham or bruce in Metropolis would have created more w.o.m. than they could have imagined.......thats just my thoughts tho.
at least now it seems they have learned.

[HighFivingMF]

:up:

I think that's what's potentially really cool about this new take on the character. Unlike Nolan's Batman, (which, while excellent, is also very grounded and thus a bit limiting), they're recognizing the potential for ALL of Superman's staple villains to show up at some point or another. This could lead to a lot of great, epic confrontations and experiences.
Someone (I think it was Gianakin) suggested Garret Dillahunt as John Corben/Metallo.

I'd love to see Corben make an appearance or two in the first movie to be set up for later in the fashion of Curt Connors in the Spider-Man movies, except he actually gets to become a villain before the reboot.

[GreenKToo]

:up:

I think that's what's potentially really cool about this new take on the character. Unlike Nolan's Batman, (which, while excellent, is also very grounded and thus a bit limiting), they're recognizing the potential for ALL of Superman's staple villains to show up at some point or another. This could lead to a lot of great, epic confrontations and experiences.

its about time is all I can say..I really feel like they missed the boat by not promoting each hero in the others solo film...A brief cameo of clark in gotham or bruce in Metropolis would have created more w.o.m. than they could have imagined.......thats just my thoughts tho.
at least now it seems they have learned.

[gillberg2k1]

So what have you heard relating to the production, if anything?

Modern, completely fresh take more based on contemporary comic interpretations (if you notice, Goyer's been doing some forewords for certain Superman GNs). They're going for something we haven't seen on screen before but is nonetheless true to the character, which should make a lot of fans happy. That is, unless they're a die hard fan of the very early incarnation of the character and/or think of the Donner series as the end all, be all because the goal of this film is to get away from all of that and do something much bigger.

Essentially, it's exactly what they tried to do with Batman Begins and similarly what Abrams did with the Star Trek franchise.

Expect the character to get a real shot in the arm. About damn time, in my opinion.

[bgshw44]

:up:

I think that's what's potentially really cool about this new take on the character. Unlike Nolan's Batman, (which, while excellent, is also very grounded and thus a bit limiting), they're recognizing the potential for ALL of Superman's staple villains to show up at some point or another. This could lead to a lot of great, epic confrontations and experiences.


very exciting. i do personally think lex is involved, as he is a staple character and needs to be played by an A list actor. if you are going to go with an unknown as superman, lex, jor-el, and perry are really the only roles to go with well known actors considering the villians will most likely be cgi. i would love to see russell crowe or dicaprio as lex. hopefully a nolan production can have some pull with these guys.

[GreenKToo]

EDIT: wow..pardon me..hypes acting crazy all of the sudden.

[GreenKToo]

Double Trouble.

[HighFivingMF]

EDIT: Site bugged out on me.

[Strider14]

As someone who's been on this board for almost a decade, I hope you understand why I find it suspect that in the last two-three days that 2 posters just so happen to say they're involved in the industry as either a director and a casting director in this one thread alone only because of some fans support for an actor for a role.
Well, Showtime and Jamie have been on this board for a long time and have been saying the same thing for some time...

I have been on this board for about a half year now and did mention in one of my posts that I used to work in the industry in casting and placing talent. That was a number of years ago. The only thing someone should be able to definitely take from that is that I do understand how the industry and casting works. I haven't been involved in the industry for quite some time, but I have a number of friends and connections still. Hollywood is pretty good at keeping certain information in the inner circle without it hitting the media. Not as good as it did in the past, but remarkably well considering the reach of the internet and media now. I could tell you factual things about some very prominent actors that would shock most people, but I choose to not go there. This is a casting thread so I choose to share some general insight when I read things that really aren't accurate when it comes to the casting for this role.

Cavill was basically a nobody back then and the specific reason he or anyone else didn't get the role really wasn't media-worthy (whatever that reason was :cwink:) Now, if it were a well-known actor that didn't get the part, there may be more info out there as to why. That's all I have and am going to say. I have tip-toed around this topic enough. In line with what gillberg2k1 said, I would be shocked if Cavill were cast.

Everyone can choose to believe what they want to believe. :woot:

Edit: Gillberk2k1@ I couldn't agree with you more as to the need to step up this next film. Doubt anyone will disagree with that after what we saw with SR. I truly hope we can finally get some continuity and see some of the other villains and adversaries make their appearance. Some decent action in a Superman movie would be a nice.

[GreenKToo]

hmmmm..I think i'm getting your meaning now.

[BH/HHH]

No offense to them in any way, but it is in no way legit; both are not involved in the production of the movie, no sources for them to reference to back up their claims, etc.
They're comments are just that, comments; And nothing's wrong with that, but to say that Cavill is totally out of the running is only something that someone on the production crew would know.

I agree, no offence to Showtime and Jaime but I haven't seen any proof that they know anything about this movie.

But tbh I think its definitely going to be someone we haven't heard of.

[That-Guy]

I don't care what they do or don't know. I've yet to see either of them impart any of this inside information on any of us, other than to say this guy or that guy isn't being considered.

If they do know something, great... but I fail to see why so many posters here feel the need to kiss up to them just because they supposedly do. It's not like they've shared anything interesting, at least recently.

[Alonsovich]

I agree, no offence to Showtime and Jaime but I haven't seen any proof that they know anything about this movie.

But tbh I think its definitely going to be someone we haven't heard of.

I'd say they DO know... based on them being actually the ones that broke the Nolan/Goyer story...:o

[BH/HHH]

I don't care what they do or don't know. I've yet to see either of them impart any of this inside information on any of us, other than to say this guy or that guy isn't being considered.

If they do know something, great... but I fail to see why so many posters here feel the need to kiss up to them just because they supposedly do. It's not like they've shared anything interesting, at least recently.

My main argument is when have they said anything of value, so and so's not been considered could easily be guessed.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, that's my issue too. Fine, I'll believe you if you say so-and-so isn't in the running; but why don't you throw out a name of someone who is? Showtime (I think) did a few months back, but Jamie... all I ever see him do is just talk down to 90% of the people on this board.

[BH/HHH]

I'd say they DO know... based on them being actually the ones that broke the Nolan/Goyer story...:o

Well I dont remember that I first read that on a website

[Alonsovich]

:awesome::awesome:

[Alonsovich]

Well I dont remember that I first read that on a website

First here... then on iesb when THEY were writing there...:o

[Astrodust]

Yeah, that's my issue too. Fine, I'll believe you if you say so-and-so isn't in the running; but why don't you throw out a name of someone who is? Showtime (I think) did a few months back, but Jamie... all I ever see him do is just talk down to 90% of the people on this board.

I've never found Jaimie's one line comments to be that insightful really. Usually people with something anything useful to say have their comments a little more fleshed out. I don't know much that goes on behind the scene is this new Superman film, but I don't act like I do either.

[BH/HHH]

First here... then on iesb when THEY were writing there...:o

Well I certainly didn't read it on here first or on IESB. I'm not saying they don't know anything but I have nothing to say they do either.

[Alonsovich]

Well I certainly didn't read it on here first or on IESB. I'm not saying they don't know anything but I have nothing to say they do either.

All the other sites got it from there... that was their exclusive, dude...

[Strider14]

Yeah, that's my issue too. Fine, I'll believe you if you say so-and-so isn't in the running; but why don't you throw out a name of someone who is? Showtime (I think) did a few months back, but Jamie... all I ever see him do is just talk down to 90% of the people on this board.

Perhaps because who is in the running for the part is information that is guarded much more carefully than who isn't in the running? Given there really aren't that big of names attached with this role, it isn't that big of a deal if someone isn't in the running...except for the fanboys.

[BH/HHH]

All the other sites got it from there... that was their exclusive, dude...

Fair enough, I have nothing against those two at all I just don't think they know as much as people think they do and like That'guy says there quick to dismiss info yet not provide any other info.

[gillberg2k1]

Perhaps because who is in the running for the part is information that is guarded much more carefully than who isn't in the running? Given there really aren't that big of names attached with this role, it isn't that big of a deal if someone isn't in the running...except for the fanboys.

What a well thought out, insightful, and relevant comment. There's also all sorts of interesting twists such as negotiation tactics, timing, non-disclosure agreements, and media positioning. For all I know, they may have already made a decision and they're just trying to hammer out the kinks and figure out when/how to spill the beans.

[SuperMike335!!]

I've never found Jaimie's one line comments to be that insightful really. Usually people with something anything useful to say have their comments a little more fleshed out. I don't know much that goes on behind the scene is this new Superman film, but I don't act like I do either.

When Jamie comments, weather its insightful or not, he is right about what is going on.

He DOES have inside info, and he cannot always comment on what is going on.

Sometimes he can comment on what is not going to happen, as well we have recently seen.

Time to move on.

[DCnightwing23]

Hopefully they go for either a unknown or cavill, im actually really surprised that no news of casting whether it be a official short list or something like that hasnt popped up yet. Im still supporting Cavill, and i think what gives him the "edge" is that he's still a relative unknown in many respects and really hasnt been that talked about through the mainstream media. He's got a great look and on top of that he has a lot of raw potential and a good amount of talent, he fits the bill in nearly every category. Im not a cavill fanboy at all i merely think he's one of the top choices for superman especially when you look down the road at the possible future installments if this becomes something big which many believe will happen, he's at the right age all for possible sequels when you consider he's almost gonna be thirty around the time the first superman movie gets released. If they dont cast him then hopefully they cast a unknown in the same age range.

[Astrodust]

Well, Showtime and Jamie have been on this board for a long time and have been saying the same thing for some time...

I have been on this board for about a half year now and did mention in one of my posts that I used to work in the industry in casting and placing talent. That was a number of years ago. The only thing someone should be able to definitely take from that is that I do understand how the industry and casting works. I haven't been involved in the industry for quite some time, but I have a number of friends and connections still. Hollywood is pretty good at keeping certain information in the inner circle without it hitting the media. Not as good as it did in the past, but remarkably well considering the reach of the internet and media now. I could tell you factual things about some very prominent actors that would shock most people, but I choose to not go there. This is a casting thread so I choose to share some general insight when I read things that really aren't accurate when it comes to the casting for this role.

Cavill was basically a nobody back then and the specific reason he or anyone else didn't get the role really wasn't media-worthy (whatever that reason was :cwink:) Now, if it were a well-known actor that didn't get the part, there may be more info out there as to why. That's all I have and am going to say. I have tip-toed around this topic enough. In line with what gillberg2k1 said, I would be shocked if Cavill were cast.

Everyone can choose to believe what they want to believe. :woot:

Edit: Gillberk2k1@ I couldn't agree with you more as to the need to step up this next film. Doubt anyone will disagree with that after what we saw with SR. I truly hope we can finally get some continuity and see some of the other villains and adversaries make their appearance. Some decent action in a Superman movie would be a nice.

People are just repeating what other people are saying on this thread so I wouldn't credit any posters just yet. As for the casting, this is a lot different than 2006. WB is on a timeline and desperate. I don't think they are ruling anyone out just yet. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if Gyllanhaal was cast at this point. My guess is they will keep their short list close to their chest till the last minute for fear of fan backlash.

[GreenKToo]

All I can say is stuff show has told me in the past (in pm) has mostly came true. sometimes things change from what they're told, its hollywood afterall.
It's not like they can just come out and publicly tell everything they know about the reboot, that would be the quickest way to lose their contacts.
When they're told they can say something, they will tell us, not beforehand.

[SuperMike335!!]

What a well thought out, insightful, and relevant comment. There's also all sorts of interesting twists such as negotiation tactics, timing, non-disclosure agreements, and media positioning. For all I know, they may have already made a decision and they're just trying to hammer out the kinks and figure out when/how to spill the beans.

Right. Likely they want to make it a big annoucnment to generate hype for the film.

[DCnightwing23]

Wait Jamie has inside info? How exactly does he have that. Im not gonna pick a fight here but is jamie has inside info and was much more knowledgeable about what was going on he would know that Same Jaeger , his choice, who really doesnt have the acting chops Jamie makes him out to have, he's a tv actor at best. So imo Jamie's knowledge of what he thinks is going on with the casting, etc goes down the drain. Jaeger is not one of the better mentions one this thread.

[Superark]

All I can say is stuff show has told me in the past (in pm) has mostly came true. sometimes things change from what they're told, its hollywood afterall.
It's not like they can just come out and publicly tell everything they know about the reboot, that would be the quickest way to lose their contacts.
When they're told they can say something, they will tell us, not beforehand.


But Cavill has to be in the running. He's just so perfect for Superman. WB has to see it. How can they not? He's so good in Tudors and these manips prove how great he looks as Superman. He has so much fan support. Who cares what Jamie and Showtime say. They don't know anything.

[GreenKToo]

Jamie said he should get a screen test, not that he would. Someone asked him who HE would like to see, not who would be tested.

[green]

Wasnt there a casting announcement about testing taking place? When were those suppose to be?

Personally, I dont think we'll get any kind of announcement from Superman til Nolan gets his Batman info out.

[Strider14]

People are just repeating what other people are saying on this thread so I wouldn't credit any posters just yet. As for the casting, this is a lot different than 2006. WB is on a timeline and desperate. I don't think they are ruling anyone out just yet. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if Gyllanhaal was cast at this point. My guess is they will keep their short list close to their chest till the last minute for fear of fan backlash.
I would have to agree that they are on a timeline and under pressure, but they are going to be much more cautious and vet all potential short-listers very carefully. They don't want to make the same mistakes they made with the last film and have way too much riding on the success of this one to cast someone out of desperation. I will also agree that the short-list will be kept very close. That is why no one is "in-the-know" as to who is on any type of short-list right now.

There is so much more to casting a role of this magnitude than looks and acting ability. Whoever they will cast is going to have to meet the criteria for the overall image they want the actor/character to have. It has to be someone who exemplifies the Man of Steel in all aspects. When dealing with public and media appearances that person needs to be someone people are going to look at and go..."wow...he could really be Superman". I know many of you think that it is all about what the actor brings on-screen, but for a role like this WB is looking for a lot more than that.

[Astrodust]

There is a chance that WB won't even announce a short list unless it's broken by Deadline or something. Anyone know if the auditions have started?

[JAK®]

But Cavill has to be in the running. He's just so perfect for Superman. WB has to see it. How can they not? He's so good in Tudors and these manips prove how great he looks as Superman. He has so much fan support. Who cares what Jamie and Showtime say. They don't know anything.
You do know that Routh and Welling fans can make a post just like this one?

What Jaimie is saying makes sense. I think instead of going into denial everyone should hope for the best and pray that whoever is cast will be better than Cavill.

[Astrodust]

I would have to agree that they are on a timeline and under pressure, but they are going to be much more cautious and vet all potential short-listers very carefully. They don't want to make the same mistakes they made with the last film and have way too much riding on the success of this one to cast someone out of desperation. I will also agree that the short-list will be kept very close. That is why no one is "in-the-know" as to who is on any type of short-list right now.

There is so much more to casting a role of this magnitude than looks and acting ability. Whoever they will cast is going to have to meet the criteria for the overall image they want the actor/character to have. It has to be someone who exemplifies the Man of Steel in all aspects. When dealing with public and media appearances that person needs to be someone people are going to look at and go..."wow...he could really be Superman". I know many of you think that it is all about what the actor brings on-screen, but for a role like this WB is looking for a lot more than that.

Most hollywood actors come across well in interviews. I really doubt that is a criteria or problem for WB. They want to get this film off the ground and have PR people if they need them. They have about 2 months to find an actor. They are not looking for a goodwill ambassador.

[GreenKToo]

Wasn't a casting call announced in oct or nov? If so, I would think auditions have been under way for a while now.

[gillberg2k1]

Most hollywood actors come across well in interviews. I really doubt that is a criteria or problem for WB. They want to get this film off the ground and have PR people if they need them. They have about 2 months to find an actor. They are not looking for a goodwill ambassador.
:doh:

[darkzombiemutt]

reading the last 5 pages made me feel like my face was melting, kinda like the guy from Raiders, except in slow motion.

New year is off to a great start.

[HighFivingMF]

reading the last 5 pages made me feel like my face was melting, kinda like the guy from Raiders, except in slow motion.

New year is off to a great start.
Zack Snyder's directing your face!

[darkzombiemutt]

Zack Snyder's directing your face!

hahahahahaha

[Astrodust]

:doh:

We are not casting Jesus or Moses here and even then they would find the best actor to play them. They are not looking for their list of charity work. We are casting a comic book character. I know Superman means a lot to some of us but WB is not going to ask the person auditioning what good deeds they have done lately. :doh:

[Superark]

You do know that Routh and Welling fans can make a post just like this one?

What Jaimie is saying makes sense. I think instead of going into denial everyone should hope for the best and pray that whoever is cast will be better than Cavill.


Oh they're absolutely guilty of it too. They're just not as abundant these days as some of the Cavill supporters.

Jamie can be a smartass most of the time, but what he says always makes sense. Him and Peter have been pretty accurate with their info for years now. I love the work they do

[JAK®]

We are not casting Jesus or Moses
Not too far off, though.

[Sub-Zero]

You do know that Routh and Welling fans can make a post just like this one?

What Jaimie is saying makes sense. I think instead of going into denial everyone should hope for the best and pray that whoever is cast will be better than Cavill.


this is what i don't get here. like someone with over 20,000 posts or whatever can say just about anything, and people will side with them and believe them without actually thinking about what they were talking about. they could say something jokingly that someone takes seriously, or even something they heard as a rumor, and people believe it as fact.

cavill may very well be out of the running, and not even on the radar, but it's not like these posters know that for sure. using similar logic, look at it this way : christian bale auditioned for the role of robin in batman forever. he didn't get it. a decade later he was cast as batman. in the way that Jaime logically detailed cavill chances of not getting superman, bale wouldn't have gotten batman b/c he wasn't even good enough to play robin. just because someone has auditioned for a studio and didn't get a role. doesn't mean he's not on the radar.

cavill was 21 when he was considered for the mcg version, and he was about 24 when they were casting bond. he wasn't going to get either.not due to lack of talent, but he was waaaaaaaaay too young. the fact that he got that far for these roles should mean that he's got the chops.

we know nothing right now. if they really are pushing for a dec. 2012 release they need to start filming this thing THIS summer so they can get through post by winter 2012. dc's lack of news is really getting everyone antsy. myself included.

[gillberg2k1]

We are not casting Jesus or Moses here and even then they would find the best actor to play them. They are not looking for their list of charity work. We are casting a comic book character. I know Superman means a lot to some of us but WB is not going to ask the person auditioning what good deeds they have done lately. :doh:

The point is clearly going over your head. Several posters here get what's going on, but I think you're missing the big picture. There are SPECIFIC things that the studio is NOT looking for, as they are particular about how their property is being portrayed, specifically during the crucial relaunch of a multi-million dollar franchise. Does that work better for you? Can I make this any more clear without beating people over the head with it?

Honestly, I'm leaving it at that and hopefully this thread can move on, as it will be much better for it.

[JAK®]

this is what i don't get here. like someone with over 20,000 posts or whatever can say just about anything, and people will side with them and believe them without actually thinking about what they were talking about. they could say something jokingly that someone takes seriously, or even something they heard as a rumor, and people believe it as fact.I can assure you I wouldn't do anything as stupid as that.

[Astrodust]

The point is clearly going over your head. Several posters here get what's going on, but I think you're missing the big picture. There are SPECIFIC things that the studio is NOT looking for, as they are particular about how their property is being portrayed, specifically during the crucial relaunch of a multi-million dollar franchise. Does that work better for you? Can I make this any more clear without beating people over the head with it?

Honestly, I'm leaving it at that and hopefully this thread can move on, as it will be much better for it.

Your condescending post leaves a lot to be desired. Like information. I've already stated in my above post that most actors conduct themselves well in interviews, probably because they are actors. This will be enough for WB in terms of what they look for from the actor from interviews, public persona, etc. Is this the new trend. Be really allusive in your comments and hope you come across intelligent to other posters?

[Kokomo29]

Do you guys think that they have actually even chosen anyone yet or do you think they are still just auditioning actors?

[Strider14]

The point is clearly going over your head. Several posters here get what's going on, but I think you're missing the big picture. There are SPECIFIC things that the studio is NOT looking for, as they are particular about how their property is being portrayed, specifically during the crucial relaunch of a multi-million dollar franchise. Does that work better for you? Can I make this any more clear without beating people over the head with it?

Honestly, I'm leaving it at that and hopefully this thread can move on, as it will be much better for it.

I agree. Some will just never get what a studio goes through when putting together a major film project. It's just not as simple as casting a good actor who looks the part and who cares about the rest. Anyone ever wonder why they haven't seen much of Mel Gibson the last couple years? :cwink: PR nightmares can also occur outside of the standard interview. Astrodust, I know I am being somewhat elusive because I am not going to discuss certain things I know about Cavill and this specific role on an internet forum. If you don't understand that. So be it.

[gillberg2k1]

This will be enough for WB in terms of what they look for from the actor from interviews, public persona, etc.

Wrong... oh well at least you didn't try and attack my...oh wait...here it comes...

is this the new trend. Be really allusive in your comments and hope you come across intelligent to other posters?

Let me get you up to speed. Everyone here knows that I, "gillberg2k1" am the epitome of intellect, wit, and sexual prowess on these boards. Truly the internet handle to be FEARED by all. :awesome:

Give me a break, honey buns. Just because you can't read between the lines doesn't mean I'm going to play along.

[Astrodust]

Some people here are acting like Superman needs to be a savior in real life or something. I understand that WB probably doesn't want the person cast as Superman to be a jackass in real life but trust me they don't want that from any of their actors. Any actor who comes across negatively, hurts the image of their company. That's why they have pr people. But it's a little absurd to say that they want the actor to come across Supermanly in real life. It's an actor. It's a film. It will not hurt the franchise if they come across as an...actor. Angelina Jolie wouldn't play the best Mother Teresa cause she does charity work and adopts children. It would be based on her acting ability. A professional attitude during public appearances is the only thing studios really care for. Don't hurt their image and promote the film.

[Alonsovich]

Some people here are acting like Superman needs to be a savior in real life or something. I understand that WB probably doesn't want the person cast as Superman to be a jackass in real life but trust me they don't want that from any of their actors. Any actor who comes across negatively, hurts the image of their company. That's why they have pr people. But it's a little absurd to say that they want the actor to come across Supermanly in real life. It's an actor. It's a film. It will not hurt the franchise if they come across as an...actor. Angelina Jolie wouldn't play the best Mother Teresa cause she does charity work and adopts children. It would be based on her acting ability. A professional attitude during public appearances is the only thing studios really care for. Don't hurt their image and promote the film.

If you understand that then why do you keep this topic going?

[Frodo]

I'm wondering if WB is thinking outside the box , ala Daniel Craig and Michael Keaton , in terms of casting Superman. After all, we were pretty close to having Nic Cage in the role and were only prevented because the film was in production hell for years. They may decide to go for acting more then finding a 6'3 guy who might be able to act. If they are thinking of going for a different look then I wouldn't be suprised if Jake G or Joseph Gordon Levitt was on their wish list along with the Tron Legacy guy.

[Astrodust]

I agree. Some will just never get what a studio goes through when putting together a major film project. It's just not as simple as casting a good actor who looks the part and who cares about the rest. Anyone ever wonder why they haven't seen much of Mel Gibson the last couple years? :cwink: PR nightmares can also occur outside of the standard interview. Astrodust, I know I am being somewhat elusive because I am not going to discuss certain things I know about Cavill and this specific role on an internet forum. If you don't understand that. So be it.

Mel Gibson has a bad public persona. You were talking about actors going above and beyond. Most actors are not alcoholics and racist like Gibson.

[gillberg2k1]

True. Look at Bale. Fanboys tend to forget that this is the movie buisness and as such their primary goal is to make money , not to please fanboy dogma and desires. We're lucky to have filmmakers like Nolan who try their best to respect the source material but no one should kid themselves into think execs stay awake at night worried that the actor they pick will be a a 6'4 and all american type with jet black hair .

Exactly. The dollar is the bottom line. Those execs stay up worried about all sorts of other things, like how negative or controversial press can affect the growth of a multi-million dollar investment and its long term returns. ;)

[Astrodust]

I would have to agree that they are on a timeline and under pressure, but they are going to be much more cautious and vet all potential short-listers very carefully. They don't want to make the same mistakes they made with the last film and have way too much riding on the success of this one to cast someone out of desperation. I will also agree that the short-list will be kept very close. That is why no one is "in-the-know" as to who is on any type of short-list right now.

There is so much more to casting a role of this magnitude than looks and acting ability. Whoever they will cast is going to have to meet the criteria for the overall image they want the actor/character to have. It has to be someone who exemplifies the Man of Steel in all aspects. When dealing with public and media appearances that person needs to be someone people are going to look at and go..."wow...he could really be Superman". I know many of you think that it is all about what the actor brings on-screen, but for a role like this WB is looking for a lot more than that.

This is what I was responding to. As you can see this has less to say about having a history of negative publicity and more to the actor having Superman qualities. A regular actor with a normal public history does not hurt the image of WB. To say that WB needs someone to go above and beyond is silly. I understand that you guys are trying to spin your argument now to say that you don't want an actor with a negative past like Mel Gibson, but that was not your original argument from several pages back. At least be consistent in your argument.

[Alonsovich]

This is what I was responding to. As you can see this has less to say about having a history of negative publicity and more to the actor having Superman qualities. A regular actor with a normal public history does not hurt the image of WB. To say that WB needs someone to go above and beyond is silly. I understand that you guys are trying to spin your argument now to say that you don't want an actor with a negative past like Mel Gibson, but that was not your original argument from several pages back. At least be consistent in your argument.

It is the same argument... they just had to try to make the point a bit more obvious to you. Apparently you still didn't get it.

[Strider14]

I'm wondering if WB is thinking outside the box , ala Daniel Craig and Michael Keaton , in terms of casting Superman. After all, we were pretty close to having Nic Cage in the role and were only prevented because the film was in production hell for years. They may decide to go for acting more then finding a 6'3 guy who might be able to act. If they are thinking of going for a different look then I wouldn't be suprised if Jake G or Joseph Gordon Levitt was on their wish list along with the Tron Legacy guy.

Sorry, but this is where I disagree when it comes to the role of Superman. Though important, Batman's physical stature (height) isn't as big of an issue for that role. If you seriously think that WB wants to cast a 6' < unimposing actor for the role of the Man of Steel you are sadly mistaken. This is where that media and public image comes into play. People always claim..."look at Tom Cruise...they made him look bigger on screen"...and in real life people meet him and are disappointed, not that it matters in that case too much because his size really didn't matter for the roles he has played. For the role of Superman, WB doesn't want their man to be at a public appearance and people going..."Well, he isn't that imposing or big of a guy". You don't have to take my word for it, but I assure you, that is one of the off-screen image things that has been discussed every time they have cast for the Superman role. Of course they are also going to want someone who can act as well as have the right stature. There shouldn't be need to compromise.


This is what I was responding to. As you can see this has less to say about having a history of negative publicity and more to the actor having Superman qualities. A regular actor with a normal public history does not hurt the image of WB. To say that WB needs someone to go above and beyond is silly. I understand that you guys are trying to spin your argument now to say that you don't want an actor with a negative past like Mel Gibson, but that was not your original argument from several pages back. At least be consistent in your argument.

My Mel Gibson comment was not directed at you. It was in reply to Gill who was responding to those that said the studios don't care about what happens off screen.

There are many different elements to how image works in the industry. It isn't just about warding off abusive and negative behavior. WB didn't think they were going to have any image issues with Routh and that ended up biting them some. Perhaps WB is privy to some potential image issues with Cavill that the general fan isn't. Ever think about that? I have said as much as I best say on this subject. All I will say, it isn't as simple as some of you think it is. If it were, then everyone would be making multi-million dollar box-office smashes.

[Kokomo29]

I'm wondering if WB is thinking outside the box , ala Daniel Craig and Michael Keaton , in terms of casting Superman. After all, we were pretty close to having Nic Cage in the role and were only prevented because the film was in production hell for years. They may decide to go for acting more then finding a 6'3 guy who might be able to act. If they are thinking of going for a different look then I wouldn't be suprised if Jake G or Joseph Gordon Levitt was on their wish list along with the Tron Legacy guy.

That is exactly what I've been thinking, too. I am really curious how they're gonna cast this thing. Synder seems to cast pretty accurately on his films. Both "300" and "Watchmen" had actors that seemed to fit the roles pretty well. I'm not saying he picked the greatest actors in the world, but the ones he chose were not only pretty good actors, but they also visually fit the roles as well.

All in all, I'm not too worried :yay:

[C. Lee]

I guess I will have to openly say it here since so many people don't understand the subtle hints that have been given by so many (and I thank them for being descreit and trying to keep the insanity out of here by these actions) and in thier not understanding want to fight about it.

The reason that most people do not think that Cavill will be given the role is because he is gay.


I again thank the posters who have tried to keep the surely stupid reactions to this info from knocking this forum totally into the gutter....but tap dancing around it is only bringing out personal attacks against people because they won't say why they believe he won't be picked.

So this is open to dicussion...but the first one who makes homophobic remarks will sorely regret it. I went through this stupidity back when SR was being made (and I banned many many people)...so watch your comments.

[HighFivingMF]

Henry Cavill's gay? I knew there were rumors about Matt Bomer during the time people were campaigning him. Had no idea about Cavill.

[manofsteel4life]

I guess I will have to openly say it here since so many people don't understand the subtle hints that have been given by so many (and I thank them for being descreit and trying to keep the insanity out of here by these actions) and in thier not understanding want to fight about it.

The reason that most people do not think that Cavill will be given the role is because he is gay.


I again thank the posters who have tried to keep the surely stupid reactions to this info from knocking this forum totally into the gutter....but tap dancing around it is only bringing out personal attacks against people because they won't say why they believe he won't be picked.

So this is open to dicussion...but the first one who makes homophobic remarks will sorely regret it. I went through this stupidity back when SR was being made (and I banned many many people)...so watch your comments.
wow....not that i have a problem with it, but really??

[I Am The Knight]

....Um wow. Are you for real?

[Midnight Black]

WOW I didn't know Cavill was gay, go figure. I knew Bomer was gay, but didn't care because I've been watching White Collar from the beginning. I had no clue Cavill was gay. Doesn't matter much. I still don't think he would make a good Supes lol, and being gay doesn't change that nor should it make a difference either way.

[MAN O STEEL]

LOL Where's this proof that Henry Cavill is gay exactly?. I'm not saying I don't 100% believe you C. Lee, but if on the off chance you were wrong, is that not kind of a slanderous thing to spread about someone who can't defend themselves?.




Steve

[louiebling$]

Cavill Gay??? :huh:

[Eddie Dean]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[louiebling$]

No its not its just shocking cuz its the 1st time I've heard of this

[Majik1387]

I guess I will have to openly say it here since so many people don't understand the subtle hints that have been given by so many (and I thank them for being descreit and trying to keep the insanity out of here by these actions) and in thier not understanding want to fight about it.

The reason that most people do not think that Cavill will be given the role is because he is gay.


I again thank the posters who have tried to keep the surely stupid reactions to this info from knocking this forum totally into the gutter....but tap dancing around it is only bringing out personal attacks against people because they won't say why they believe he won't be picked.

So this is open to dicussion...but the first one who makes homophobic remarks will sorely regret it. I went through this stupidity back when SR was being made (and I banned many many people)...so watch your comments.
Are you sure you're not thinking about Bomer?

[KalMart]

LOL Where's this proof that Henry Cavill is gay exactly?. I'm not saying I don't 100% believe you C. Lee, but if on the off chance you were wrong, is that not kind of a slanderous thing to spread about someone who can't defend themselves?.




Steve

Only if one believes there's something bad about being gay and that it needs defending.

[That-Guy]

I've heard that rumor before; who knows? It might be true, but it shouldn't matter. However, if true, and if that is what truly knocked Bomer out of the running (and I don't even know for sure if he is gay either, though people have said it a lot), then C. Lee could be spot on.

Sadly though, I wish it wasn't even an issue. It's no wonder Richard Chamberlain said last week that staying in the closet would probably serve gay actors' careers better. It makes you wonder just how many actors and actresses have been blackballed for that very reason.

[HighFivingMF]

It didn't hurt Neil Patrick Harris one bit. But I'm pretty sure Neil Patrick Harris is just plain bulletproof.

[Project862006]

1st of heard of it bomer is gay maybe you are just mixing them up

[louiebling$]

It didn't hurt Neil Patrick Harris one bit. But I'm pretty sure Neil Patrick Harris is just plain bulletproof.
No one ****s with Dookie :o

[That-Guy]

It didn't hurt Neil Patrick Harris one bit. But I'm pretty sure Neil Patrick Harris is just plain bulletproof.

I think he might be the exception, though. Still, his success does provide some hope for the situation.

[GreenKToo]

thats what I thought a few were hinting at...still, wow, tho.

[Showtime]

I've heard that rumor before; who knows? It might be true, but it shouldn't matter. However, if true, and if that is what truly knocked Bomer out of the running (and I don't even know for sure if he is gay either, though people have said it a lot), then C. Lee could be spot on.

Sadly though, I wish it wasn't even an issue. It's no wonder Richard Chamberlain said last week that staying in the closet would probably serve gay actors' careers better. It makes you wonder just how many actors and actresses have been blackballed for that very reason.

Matthew Bomer is certainly a gay. I believe he is even married with kids. To top it all off, he is awesome on White Collar, one of my favorite shows.

Google "Matthew Bomer Kissing" under google images if you wish.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a gay actor playing Superman, but I think WB might, especially after "Superman Returns".

Casting a gay actor as Superman would certainly be talked about on the interweb, tv, and radio. There were people running around saying Routh was gay because Bryan Singer was gay and directing Superman Returns.

Remember this?

http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/advocate_cover_2.jpg

[That-Guy]

Matthew Bomer is certainly a gay. I believe he is even married with kids. To top it all off, he is awesome on White Collar, one of my favorite shows.

Google "Matthew Bomer Kissing" under google images if you wish.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a gay actor playing Superman, but I think WB might, especially after "Superman Returns".

Casting a gay actor as Superman would certainly be talked about on the interweb, tv, and radio. There were people running around saying Routh was gay because Bryan Singer was gay and directing Superman Returns.

Remember this?

http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/advocate_cover_2.jpg

Yeah, I do remember that. It really pissed me off at the time because it showed just how ridiculous the media could be. A gay director casting a straight actor? That could never happen! So stupid.

[HighFivingMF]

Didn't know Singer was gay either. Just all kinds of surprises today! :oldrazz:

[KalMart]

Matthew Bomer is certainly a gay. I believe he is even married with kids. To top it all off, he is awesome on White Collar, one of my favorite shows.

Google "Matthew Bomer Kissing" under google images if you wish.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a gay actor playing Superman, but I think WB might, especially after "Superman Returns".

Casting a gay actor as Superman would certainly be talked about on the interweb, tv, and radio. There were people running around saying Routh was gay because Bryan Singer was gay and directing Superman Returns.

Remember this?

http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/advocate_cover_2.jpg

"A" gay?

C....you may have opened a new can of worms by throwing out the old one. :O

[DCnightwing23]

C. Lee is wrong, Cavill isnt gay, although he's openly stated he has gay friends he himself isnt gay, he got Bomer and Cavill mixed up. So that reason wont effect Cavill when is comes to getting cast.

[Majik1387]

You guys do know that The Advocate is a LGBT magazine right? They focus on gay issues, entertainment, news, etc. and Bryan Singer happened to be the hot topic at that time.

Now if it was a magazine like People or US Weekly or something, then it would be in bad taste.

[Showtime]

I've heard that rumor before; who knows? It might be true, but it shouldn't matter. However, if true, and if that is what truly knocked Bomer out of the running (and I don't even know for sure if he is gay either, though people have said it a lot), then C. Lee could be spot on.

Sadly though, I wish it wasn't even an issue. It's no wonder Richard Chamberlain said last week that staying in the closet would probably serve gay actors' careers better. It makes you wonder just how many actors and actresses have been blackballed for that very reason.

Yeah, I do remember that. It really pissed me off at the time because it showed just how ridiculous the media could be. A gay director casting a straight actor? That could never happen! So stupid.

It is completely absurd, but I do think because of what happened with Superman Returns, WB might be even more nervous about it. This is a make or break for them with Superman, they wouldn't want to do anything that could hurt the franchise marketing wise, as shortsighted and close minded as move like that might be.

[Showtime]

"A" gay?

Typos are my friend.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The reason that most people do not think that Cavill will be given the role is because he is gay..


There's more truth behind that one than most here realize.


We were trying to avoid bringing it up.

[DCnightwing23]

So what are the top 5 best options that we all know of, im sure we will get a official shortlist sometime soon, who are some serious contenders that you guys (and girls) think will be on that shortlist? It'll be interesting to see who exactly they are going for on the shortlist, if they had a complete unknown in mind would they include that on the shortlist.

[DCnightwing23]

There's more truth behind that one than most here realize.


We were trying to avoid bringing it up.

But he's not gay so whats the truth behind that statement exactly? The only most likely gay man thats been mentioned as a contender is Bomer.

[GreenKToo]

Chace Crawford (CW's Gossip Girl), John Krasinski (NBC's The Office), Scott Porter (NBC's Friday Night Lights), Michael Cassidy (CW's Privileged) or Patrick Flueger (Brothers)Mike Vogel (Cloverfield) and Garrett Hedlund (Tron: Legacy).Channing Tatum (Gi Joe)

Source deadline hollywood.

So what are the top 5 best options that we all know of, im sure we will get a official shortlist sometime soon, who are some serious contenders that you guys (and girls) think will be on that shortlist? It'll be interesting to see who exactly they are going for on the shortlist, if they had a complete unknown in mind would they include that on the shortlist.
Some think several on this list will get a look.

[C. Lee]

There's more truth behind that one than most here realize.

We were trying to avoid bringing it up.

I know, and I appreciate that people did that. The problem was that with some people saying there wasa reason that he wouldn't be considered (and not revealing it) they were then getting attacked because they wouldn't reveal the reason. So right or wrong...I figured that if I went ahead and said it, people would attack me not other posters here, and people could consider this in thier discussion....as long as the discussion is civil and doesn't get out of hand.

[I Am The Knight]

Didn't know Singer was gay either. Just all kinds of surprises today! :oldrazz:

LOL, that's quite old :oldrazz:

There's more truth behind that one than most here realize.


We were trying to avoid bringing it up.

LOL? I seriously doubt he's teh gay :huh:

[klark cent]

I know, and I appreciate that people did that. The problem was that with some people saying there wasa reason that he wouldn't be considered (and not revealing it) they were then getting attacked because they wouldn't reveal the reason. So right or wrong...I figured that if I went ahead and said it, people would attack me not other posters here, and people could consider this in thier discussion....as long as the discussion is civil and doesn't get out of hand.

:up: :applaud:up:

[Showtime]

I really don't think it matters if Cavill and Bomer are gay or they dig long walks on the beach with corpses, I don't really think they are going to be in the mix either way. If either of them are, then so be it, nothing wrong with either of them playing Superman. I just don't think it's going to happen...however what the heck do I know?

[KalMart]

Well, let's be up-front about it....should one's sexual preference have any influence on their potential to play Superman? And if that's the case....their political/cultural/religious leanings...or even his legal history? Are we looking for the right actor to play Superman in movies, or are we looking for him to represent him outside of the big screen as well?

[Kokomo29]

That kinda came outta left field, but hey - it doesn't matter to me whatsoever. Orientation doesn't mean a thing to me; what matters is acting ability. I really, really think Cavill would make a great Supes, but I agree that his time has come and gone. Hopefully he'll get his shot, but I won't be surprised if he doesn't. I just wanna know SO BAD who it's gonna be!!!

[Eddie Dean]

I assume most of the Gay Cavill rumors come from the American viewpoint of British = Gay.

[C. Lee]

Well, let's be up-front about it....should one's sexual preference have any influence on their potential to play Superman? And if that's the case....their political/cultural/religious leanings...or even his legal history? Are we looking for the right actor to play Superman in movies, or are we looking for him to represent him outside of the big screen as well?

No, it shouldn't matter. And I'm not saying that I don't think he should be Superman because he is gay. I'm saying (like Showtime did just a few post back) that the studios went through a hard time when Routh was first announced and some people just thought he was gay. That actually led to many people avoiding the movie and months of bad press. They do not want a repeat of that.

[Asgard]

Cavill supposedly being gay was the thing these guys were insinuating when they mentioned the criteria he didnt meet? LMAO! That didnt even enter my mind as a possibility. I just assumed they were referring to him being British and the WB wanting to cast American. And then C Lee just blurts it out like that. Lol. So is this true or just rumor that WB are buying into?

[C. Lee]

I assume most of the Gay Cavill rumors come from the American viewpoint of British = Gay.

Yeah...that's where it comes from. That's very insightful of you. I appreciate your intelligent imput into the discussion. Please come back at a later date and enlighten us again with your opinions.

[Asgard]

I guess I can see if they dont cast him because they know for a fact hes gay and they want to avoid any sort of "scandal" or whatever, but imagine how even more messed up itd be if the WB decide not to cast him because of gay rumors. Damn.

[I Am The Knight]

So Cavill is a gay eh? This thread has gone mental.

[Eddie Dean]

Yeah...that's where it comes from. That's very insightful of you. I appreciate your intelligent imput into the discussion. Please come back at a later date and enlighten us again with your opinions.
Thanks?

And I think we need a healthy dose of this -

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[Strider14]

I couldn't say that I know for a fact that Cavill is gay. Whether he is or not, I do know that in person he isn't the most masculine guy in the world. Fans thinking it isn't a big issue is a moot point, just like all of our opinions are pretty much a moot point. It just makes for interesting discussion. Whether right or wrong, what matters most is how WB looks at it. Do they want to cast someone who is going to project a more feminine nature when out making promotional appearances as the Man of Steel? It may seem trivial to most, but to those who are investing millions into the actor who plays the role and the film...it isn't. The Advocate article never really made claim that Routh was gay, but it was certainly press that WB didn't want.

[green]

Well, let's be up-front about it....should one's sexual preference have any influence on their potential to play Superman? And if that's the case....their political/cultural/religious leanings...or even his legal history? Are we looking for the right actor to play Superman in movies, or are we looking for him to represent him outside of the big screen as well?

No it shouldnt...but it does.
Wb is a company investing a lot of money in a movie, they need it to be profitable. To do so they have to sell it to the masses, unfortunately there are still alot of homophobic people in those masses. You cant blame WB for that.

[batman44]

I'll remember reading awhile ago from a supposed friend of Cavill (who was gay) said that Cavill isn't gay, but whatever.
And:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/DC%20comic%20casting/29n8axd.jpg

[Eddie Dean]

As far as the people thinking British = Gay thing (which was intended more as a joke than anything else), look how many debates there are over Tom Hardy's character in Inception over the web.

[klark cent]

I guess I can see if they dont cast him because they know for a fact hes gay and they want to avoid any sort of "scandal" or whatever, but imagine how even more messed up itd be if the WB decide not to cast him because of gay rumors. Damn.

No it shouldnt...but it does.
Wb is a company investing a lot of money in a movie, they need it to be profitable. To do so they have to sell it to the masses, unfortunately there are still alot of homophobic people in those masses. You cant blame WB for that.

The only worst scenario I can think of is when some media-folks-with-influence make a mountain out of a molehill on this issue that will generate the same negative effect as SR... all Superman fans lose because it cannot meet expected revenues and no Supe movies in the near future :csad:

[gillberg2k1]

It's certainly an interesting discussion. As I've said over and over, I'd be shocked if he were cast, though I would still support him.

The press mentioned by Showtime really scared WB. Also, to kind of help you view things from their perspective, have a look at this video, and see if that's the kind of coverage you'd want associated with your potential franchise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkrms-hl-8

Keep in mind, this was on MSNBC. So while they aren't saying anything negative per say about Superman, Superman being "gay" is still the headline and the "controversy" people are associating with that film. Also, the manip of Superman in the quote "gay" outfit is used as a joke, lampooning the character and the film. That wasn't the only news piece on it either.

[KalMart]

I assume most of the Gay Cavill rumors come from the American viewpoint of British = Gay.

You might be confusing that with British = Evil. :oldrazz:

[HighFivingMF]

Wow. That news coverage is ridiculous, but that anchorman is hilarious.

[MAN O STEEL]

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[gillberg2k1]

I'll remember reading awhile ago from a supposed friend of Cavill (who was gay) said that Cavill isn't gay, but whatever.
And:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/DC%20comic%20casting/29n8axd.jpg

Keep in mind, Ricky Martin claimed to have a girlfriend as well, along with countless others in the entertainment industry. This is nothing new.

[C. Lee]

I told you people not to make stupid remarks about this....keep it up and get probation.

[gillberg2k1]

The only worst scenario I can think of is when some media-folks-with-influence make a mountain out of a molehill on this issue that will generate the same negative effect as SR... all Superman fans lose because it cannot meet expected revenues and no Supe movies in the near future :csad:

That's exactly what the fear is. It isn't unfounded either.

I personally don't have a problem with a gay Superman (I think Bomer would have been awesome). But I completely understand why the studio is being so careful this time around in trying to have all their ducks in a row. It makes perfect sense because everything is riding on this film. If it doesn't work out, you can kiss Superman goodbye for the foreseeable future.

[batman44]

Keep in mind, Ricky Martin claimed to have a girlfriend as well, along with countless others in the entertainment industry. This is nothing new.

True, but is it certain or just a rumor that he is gay? At this moment I'll take Cavill's word for it unless proved otherwise. Then again all of this moot since Cavill is not going to be Superman.

[KalMart]

Imagine if Cavill did get the part...and he turns out not to be gay...but rumors about him being gay start to fly...and the source of those rumors track all the way back to....this thread?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Keep in mind, Ricky Martin claimed to have a girlfriend as well, along with countless others in the entertainment industry. This is nothing new.

The likes of Rock Hudson, Elton John and Alan Cumming were married despite being gay. Public denials are rampant for people in the entertainment industry who are gay. Understandably so. Even someone like Clay Aiken swore up and down he wasn't gay when everyone knew otherwise.

True, but is it certain or just a rumor that he is gay?

He is.

[Asgard]

Lol, there was nothing wrong with my post.

I was just making fun of the situation. Its not like I was making fun of an actual person.

Imagine if Cavill did get the part...and he turns out not to be gay...but rumors about him being gay start to fly...and the source of those rumors track all the way back to....this thread?

Lol, http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19430139&postcount=7390.

[Project862006]

c lee why did you bring this up at all when you have no proof

evidence when 99% of the posts in reaction to your claim have not even heard of this before

then threaten people with probation when you brought up the topic of cavill is gay with no proof?

[gillberg2k1]

True, but is it certain or just a rumor that he is gay? At this moment I'll take Cavill word for it unless proved otherwise. Then again all of this moot, Cavill is not going to be Superman.

To be honest, I think it's one of those things they're trying to contain. For a guy who looks like he does, he's potentially going to have opportunities in those male heart throb lead roles down the line and that's certainly how he's being positioned. Anything being "confirmed" about his sexuality could endanger his career, the same way it could endanger the Superman franchise. If it's all kept in that gray realm of "rumor" and "speculation" then he's still technically safe. As someone mentioned earlier, Richard Chamberlains quote on the subject is very relevant in this case.

That's part of why several of us wanted to be subtle about it on a public forum.

[batman44]

Once again, since you guys are more in the know I'll take ya'll word for it.

Anyway back to casting.....

[B]

True, but is it certain or just a rumor that he is gay?

Who Ricky Martin? I don't keep up to tabs with the latest Ricky Martin news & updates but wasn't he always gay?
Maybe I kinda stereotyped him from the way he looks/acts that I just assumed he was always gay.

Unless we are gonna start coming off with things like "Even though hes had a girlfriend, hes gay." & start comparing the situation to that of people like Ricky Martin, Elton John or whoever.. then Cavill isn't gay & should be assumed straight, single or not until he tells people otherwise.

[DorkyFresh]

i can honestly understand if WB is hesitant to consider Cavill if he's gay. casting a gay actor would certainly cause an uproar not only amongst us more devout fans but even amongst the less passionate fans as well.

personally, i don't think Cavill is gay. gay rights have come a long way within the last decade and it's not nearly as taboo to be gay, especially if you're an artist of any sort. there's always the off chance that his family/friends would give him hell for coming out, but i don't see him as the type to hide something like that from the public. a plethora of actors/actresses have been public with their same sex preference and even Tom Hardy has said that he's had gay encounters in the past, so unless Cavill's being a (bad word for cat) there's no good reason to hide it if he were gay. on top of that, there's simply no evidence to support the theory that Cavill is gay. if it turns out that he IS gay, then that would be a HUGE achievement considering this day and age of rampant paparazzi and the viral internet.

that being said, the talk of WB ignoring him because of his previous involvement with the Superman franchise also seems illogical to me. i remember reading a post mentioning how Singer picked Routh over Cavill. it was obvious to me that Singer cast Routh because of his resemblance to Reeve. not only that but Cavill might not have even wanted to portray the kind of Superman that Singer was going to portray...and it could've also been possible that Cavill already had commitments that prevented him from even considering auditioning.

the only logical reason i can think of why WB would be avoiding even letting Cavill audition would be if he signed a contract during McG's production that stated that he would not be able to portray Superman in the future if the project was not a success. if this is the case then i could understand why WB would want to avoid Cavill for this film even if i wouldn't agree with it.



now, i'm not a devout Cavill fan. the frequenters here know that i'd like to see Spencer Conway wear the cape...but i find all this talk against Cavill not only amusing, but just silly. i might not know any Hollywood insiders and i might not know the inner workings of the system, but i do have my logic.....and i can't think of any good reason why Cavill couldn't at least be considered for the role, unless once again, he signed a contract that would prevent him from being involved in future Superman projects......or if he truly were gay, which i seriously doubt. of course, as i stated, i'm not someone who's in the know of the inner workings of Hollyweird, but i'm just posting my personal view.

[Agentdemon]

c lee why did you bring this up at all when you have no proof

evidence when 99% of the posts in reaction to your claim have not even heard of this before

then threaten people with probation when you brought up the topic of cavill is gay with no proof?

Can't disagree with this.

[C. Lee]

c lee why did you bring this up at all when you have no proof

evidence when 99% of the posts in reaction to your claim have not even heard of this before

then threaten people with probation when you brought up the topic of cavill is gay with no proof?

Many people were saying "There is a reason that Cavill will not be picked by the studio for the role" and not saying what the reason was.

This was the reason they were referring to, but they were being cautious and not mentioning it...mainly I think because they knew if they said it, they would be attacked for saying it. Now they can all aim thier crap at me.

A lot less than 99% of the responders have said they never heard this before...we even have had one so far say that tonight was the first time they had heard that Bryan Singer was gay. So not hearing something before and it's connection to reality are not the same.

I did NOT threaten people with probation for bringing up the topic. I threatened people with probation if they act juvenile and homophobic and are unable to discuss this maturely.

That's a reminder people...if you do not think you can discuss this subject maturely and civily...then I highly suggest you do not post. During the months that all of the news of Singer being picked for director and the casting of Routh was going on....I probated and banned dozens of people. You will act civil and mature in here.

[Asgard]

Once again, since you guys are more in the know I'll take ya'll word for it.
Nah, Im not down with that. Unless the insiders know Cavill personally and are privy to his personal life, which I really doubt, then Ill treat their opinions as opinions.

[Project862006]

you know what lets change the subject back to casting for superman

[Project862006]

edit

[batman44]

OT: Will this affect Cavill chances as Bond after Craig is done?

[B]

That's a reminder people...if you do not think you can discuss this subject maturely and civily...then I highly suggest you do not post. During the months that all of the news of Singer being picked for director and the casting of Routh was going on....I probated and banned dozens of people. You will act civil and mature in here.

Did Singer being gay really bother anyone? Or up until the point it was proven he had a girlfriend, that Routh could have been gay?

I felt the same way about Singer/Routh's sexuality the same way I felt about Heroes being cancelled.. I couldn't give a flying ****.

[KalMart]

I wonder if the gay community has issue with straight actors playing gay roles.

[Asgard]

If the RUMOR of Cavill being gay is true, then I wouldnt think so since hes been pretty good at concealing his homosexuality. At least thats what I think from what little research I did on the web after the reveal.

[FilmNerdJamie]

OT: Will this affect Cavill chances as Bond after Craig is done?

I think so.

[KalMart]

OT: Will this affect Cavill chances as Bond after Craig is done?

Isn't Bond/MGM kinda' done due to bankruptcy or something?

[gillberg2k1]

Isn't Bond/MGM kinda' done due to bankruptcy or something?

Officially back on track. Looking at a November 2012 release date, just before our big blue boy scout.

[PreK]

Cavill supposedly being gay was the thing these guys were insinuating when they mentioned the criteria he didnt meet? LMAO! That didnt even enter my mind as a possibility. I just assumed they were referring to him being British and the WB wanting to cast American. And then C Lee just blurts it out like that. Lol. So is this true or just rumor that WB are buying into?
Yeah, I had always assumed it was either the nationality or been-there-done-that type of ordeal. To be honest I'm completely confused. I like to think of myself as being pretty knowledgeable on the gossip surrounding Hollywood actors, and this is the first time I've ever heard so much as a reference to his sexuality.

To anyone that can answer, is this issue something that's been discussed on a down-low basis within insider circles? I'm curious as to how this topic came up. Cavill has been positioned to be the teen heartthrob for a long while now, so any indications towards homosexuality certainly hasn't been popping up in the conventional places regarding such talk.

[I Am The Knight]

I think Bond's back up at MGM since they have money again. So how gay is Cavill again?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Isn't Bond/MGM kinda' done due to bankruptcy or something?

Not anymore. They're out of bankruptcy and have $500 million at their disposal. Going to co-finance/distribute the next film for November 2012.

[C. Lee]

Isn't Bond/MGM kinda' done due to bankruptcy or something?

Nope...read this - http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19384878&postcount=2508

[DorkyFresh]

Anyway back to casting.....

you know what lets change the subject back to casting for superman

good idea.....Spencer for Supes, please!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/Spencerman-1-1.jpg

[DCnightwing23]

Wow C. Lee nice, way to start pointless chatter on a thread that was already going down hill.

And what rumors is everyone talking about here?! The only that i know of that has ever brought up Cavill possibly being gay is Perez Hilton, the only hack that assumes every man who he's attracted to as being gay. This has to be the biggest joke so far on this thread, great, something the cavill haters will milk for awhile.

K, so check off the he's gay thing and he's still number one on my list, he fits the bill on practically everything and you cant say that with anyone else thats been mentioned on this board or in recent articles. Cast him or a unknown already and get shooting this movie already! Oh and if you check out Cavill's imdb page both of his 2011 movies are in post production with nothing yet after that, his schedule at the moment is wide open which is another plus and possible hint to him being in the running for Superman.

[Superark]

My favorite choice since Routh isn't coming back

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4637/routhsuperman2mcpartlin.jpg

[Kokomo29]

Anyway back to casting.....

Yes, please!

Anywho, what are the odds Armie Hammer's gonna get cast? My gut tells me that he is definitely on WB's radar for this part.

[Parker Wayne]

I've been looking around but seen anything about it him even saying he is openly gay.

The rumor started because he has several gay friends and on his old myspace page his top 8 were mostly gay guys. According to a fan site he's stated many times on message boards that he's not gay.

[darkzombiemutt]

It's a damn shame that they wouldn't consider him for being gay, or for fear of the perception he might be gay. That article didn't hurt Superman Returns. Superman Returns hurt Superman Returns. The guy's sexuality shouldn't matter. But I guess hollywood is still too worried about public perception when they are investing millions of dollars on a summer blockbuster. Sad.

[Tra-El]

After all of these months and practically years of waiting for another Supes film, there is pretty much nothing else to say or talk about.

WB, please, you're killing us.

[Kokomo29]

Can we at least end this discussion about Cavill being or not being gay and get back to the casting discussion? :dry:

[Strider14]

It's a damn shame that they wouldn't consider him for being gay, or for fear of the perception he might be gay. That article didn't hurt Superman Returns. Superman Returns hurt Superman Returns. The guy's sexuality shouldn't matter. But I guess hollywood is still too worried about public perception when they are investing millions of dollars on a summer blockbuster. Sad.

It is sad, but unfortunately it is a reality that a studio has to deal with. I do think it is important that they have a very masculine type to play the role of Superman to avoid any similar issues. To say that the article didn't have any impact on Superman Returns is very much wishful thinking. Yes, the movie sucked regardless, but it did create an additional PR issue for them that they would have rather not had to deal with. That is why they have to tread very carefully to avoid it again.

As to those who don't believe things because they can't find anything on the internet about it, I remember how many people had a hard time believing Rock Hudson was gay and he was a major film star, not some lesser known so-so actor. He was married. I know of three or four very prominent actors of past and current day who are married but are gay and you won't be able to find "boo" about it on the internet. They would most likely cause as much surprise as Rock Hudson did if people knew. Like I said before, Hollywood does keep some things at bay and the actors that want to keep it hidden from the general public do a great job of doing so even in this current day.

[Parker Wayne]

Guys, it's not true. It's just a rumor there isn't even any proof of it.

Can we at least end this discussion about Cavill being or not being gay and get back to the casting discussion? :dry:

Try offering something to talk about instead of just saying we should get back on topic.

Like this: I think Spencer Conway looks good for Superman too. He could be a good unknown, especially if he sends that video in to WB.

[Strider14]

Try offering something to talk about instead of just saying we should get back on topic.

Like this: I think Spencer Conway looks good for Superman too. He could be a good unknown, especially if he sends that video in to WB.

Conway is actually one name that I am okay with and being I think they should and will go for an unknown, I think he has just as good of a shot as anyone. So far the only official word we have heard is that they are going to be looking more at unknowns.

[louiebling$]

For years I thought Vin Diesel was gay and only recently found out that wasn't true... so there is a possibility it isnt true but does it really matter? No because regardless I still want cavill regardless of his Sexual Orientation.

[Frodo]

Well, whoever gets the role whether it be Cavill, Jake G, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Armie Hammer, or Joe M, is gonna have my support. At this point i'm beyond the whole debate of who looks more like Superman, who's taller, or any of the other stuff.

Ultimately it's Snyder's choice and as a fan, I want the film to do well, even if the actor donning the cape isn't my first choice.

Despite whatever fan fury may occur over the casting , i'm gonna be rooting for him to succeed .

[Astrodust]

The only person that has a right to break the news that Cavill is gay is Cavill imo. If he hasn't said anything, then it's just rumor spreading, and if what you say is true about containing the information so that it's not harming his career, then you did just that by "breaking" the news. And worst off, Cavill has said before that he is straight, so unfortunately now, this is going to spread through the internet and Cavill will have to defend himself. There haven't been any articles at all where Cavill has come out. Not saying he isn't gay, we don't know but one thing for sure is that he hasn't publicly come out if he is. It's his choice to be gay if he is and it's his choice to tell us when he is ready. Just my .02.

[Parker Wayne]

Conway is actually one name that I am okay with and being I think they should and will go for an unknown, I think he has just as good of a shot as anyone. So far the only official word we have heard is that they are going to be looking more at unknowns.

I just hope they'll cast someone soon. It's making some people crazy around here.

[Astrodust]

Things are getting a bit nuts but even beyond that, I think C. Lee crossed the line. I'm not that knowledgeable in law but Cavill can possibly sue this site for defamation of character if the rumors spin out of control. For one thing, he has never claimed to be gay, even as far as stating that he is straight. Secondly, would anyone here want people thinking they were gay when they weren't ready to tell people? This thread should never have been about someone's sexual orientation. And it came from a mod.

[Kokomo29]

Guys, it's not true. It's just a rumor there isn't even any proof of it.



Try offering something to talk about instead of just saying we should get back on topic.

Like this: I think Spencer Conway looks good for Superman too. He could be a good unknown, especially if he sends that video in to WB.

I have been all night :woot:

Can you link the video he sent it or is it not available on the internet? I'd really like to see it :yay:

Personally, I think either Armie Hammer or Garrett Hedlund could be good contenders for the role. I think Armie Hammer definitely has the right "look" and acting ability. I think that Hedlund could really bring a great deal of physicality to the role. I think Hammer has a good "Superman" look, but could also really pull off the farm boy look, too.

[Parker Wayne]

I have been all night :woot:

Can you link the video he sent it or is it not available on the internet? I'd really like to see it :yay:

Personally, I think either Armie Hammer or Garrett Hedlund could be good contenders for the role. I think Armie Hammer definitely has the right "look" and acting ability. I think that Hedlund could really bring a great deal of physicality to the role. I think Hammer has a good "Superman" look, but could also really pull off the farm boy look, too.

Here's the video:
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[Kokomo29]

Hmm, he definitely has a good look for the role. I could definitely see it. Thanks for the link, Parker Wayne; I appreciate it.

[KalMart]

It's a damn shame that they wouldn't consider him for being gay, or for fear of the perception he might be gay. That article didn't hurt Superman Returns. Superman Returns hurt Superman Returns. The guy's sexuality shouldn't matter. But I guess hollywood is still too worried about public perception when they are investing millions of dollars on a summer blockbuster. Sad.

Well...what if it turned out that Superman was gay...like in the comics or what have you, and he was trying to deny it all these years? Would it make him any less of a hero?

[Young Superman]

Hey Kokomo29, I really like the Garrett Hedlund suggestion for the role of Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman in the reboot.

[Octoberist]

No to Garrett Hedlund. I didn't mind him in Tron but no...I try to picture him but no.

[daywalker2007]

I told you people not to make stupid remarks about this....keep it up and get probation.

its funny how you brought up this "gay" issue yourself, and now when people start to discuss it, you can't handle it.

Bit hypocrital IMO. You can't go banning people beforehand and then try and stir things up about an actor without a single shred of proof or evidence.

Cavill could sue for slander IMO. I'd be very careful what you say on the internet. the best word to use is "alleged" when discussing rumours.

If Cavill is gay, then thats his choice.

[Rust]

Last question about Cavill. Is it official that he's gay? If not, it's pretty tasteless for a mod to bring it up in here.

And no, shouldnt affect his chances of becoming Superman or Bond, but if that's the way the game is played, ok then.

[daywalker2007]

Last question about Cavill. Is it official that he's gay? If not, it's pretty tasteless for a mod to bring it up in here.

And no, shouldnt affect his chances of becoming Superman or Bond, but if that's the way the game is played, ok then.

well there is no "official" statement from Cavill, nor have there been many articles on blogs about him being gay. C Lee's statement is the first anybody has ever heard about Cavill being gay, other than maybe the hollywood inner circle.


I think its very hypocritical to just blurt something out with no proof for no apparent reason and then ban people for discussing it. I guess it must be a hidden agenda or personal agenda or something.

[daywalker2007]

another curious thing is that Cavill has 2 big budget movies coming out alongside some heavweight actors.

He's the lead in "Immortals" opposite Mickey Rourke, and then the lead actor opposite Bruce willis and sigourney weaver in "The cold light of day".

It's strange that if his sexuality is such a big secret, why now after almost 10 years working in hollywood is he now getting such big roles? Especially if his sexuality is going to cause a problem for him as a leading man.

Which young mid 20's actors in hollywood are openly gay / secretly gay and getting lead actor roles in big budget movies?

If anyone can name some then it might clear things up a little. But it seems strange that Hollywood would "launch" Cavill's career at this moment if they know that his sexuality is going to be an issue in the near future.

[Man of Steel]

Who cares if he's gay or not? Cavill would still be an awesome Superman. Routh, Cavill, Penikett and McPartlan are my top choices. Hey, DorkyFresh, what's Conway been in? You're starting to convince me.

[Astrodust]

I don't think C. Lee started the gay rumors so I don't think Cavill could sue if he wanted since it's one of those internet rumors.Though I wouldn't call it professional to claim someone to be gay when they have said they are straight. Either way is it really our business and does it belong in a casting thread? I really doubt Cavill is going to go out and defend himself like being gay is some evil. He has gay friends and that would be insulting to them. I could totally see Cavill being secure and not feel the need to make sure everyone knows he's hetero. If you are banging hot women, do you really care what people think. Still if it might hurt his career he may feel the need to assure people again. Bottom line is what is the proof that he is gay?

[BH/HHH]

Well look at an actor like Neil Patrick Harris he's gay yet he plays a womaniser in How I Met Your Mother and briefly in Harold & Kumar and he's good enough to convince you he's straight on TV. So I don't see a problem is Cavill is gay or not.

[Maze]

Me either, but apparently Warner does.

Fact is, that he is gay is a rumor and nothing else.

People were pressuring to know the reason why Cavill wouldn't be considered, so i can understand that somebody would give it, but talking about it like a fact is a mistake. There are been questions about his sexuality, but not a shred of proof, not even a tabloid rumor

Now if he is gay so be it, but the fact is that we don't know, it is a rumor nothing else, and should be treated as such.

Warner will do what they wan't to do.

[Adenjo]

Gay, straight, bi.. Likes to bother farm animals.. Makes no difference.
If an actor has the look, the build and can pull of the duel roles of Superman/Clark then sexual preference should have no bearing on casting.

[Astrodust]

Me either, but apparently Warner does.

Fact is, that he is gay is a rumor and nothing else.

People were pressuring to know the reason why Cavill wouldn't be considered, so i can understand that somebody would give it, but talking about it like a fact is a mistake. There are been questions about his sexuality, but not a shred of proof, not even a tabloid rumor

Now if he is gay so be it, but the fact is that we don't know, it is a rumor nothing else, and should be treated as such.

Warner will do what they wan't to do.

If the rumor had some truth to it, the tabloids would have picked up on it for sure. Catch though is that if they don't have enough proof and print it, he can probably sue them. Either way, there is nothing concrete.

[GreenKToo]

You guys are being too rough on C LEE..you were practically begging to know why cavill wouldnt be considered by WB, and he told you why. As it was, things were just going round and round talking about the possible reasons why he wouldnt get the role. something had to give and it did.
If you wanna get mad, then direct your anger at WB, but don't shoot the messenger.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You guys are being too rough on C LEE..you were practically begging to know why cavill wouldnt be considered by WB, and he told you why. As it was, things were just going round and round talking about the possible reasons why he wouldnt get the role. something had to give and it did.
If you wanna get mad, then direct your anger at WB, but don't shoot the messenger.

Bingo.

[Maze]

You guys are being too rough on C LEE..you were practically begging to know why cavill wouldnt be considered by WB, and he told you why. As it was, things were just going round and round talking about the possible reasons why he wouldnt get the role. something had to give and it did.
If you wanna get mad, then direct your anger at WB, but don't shoot the messenger.

I don't see in the recent comments where somebody said the contrary green... what is pointed out yes is that Lee shouldn't treat the rumors about Cavill sexuality like a fact.

you guys are going to talks about it all day long..

[Astrodust]

You guys are being too rough on C LEE..you were practically begging to know why cavill wouldnt be considered by WB, and he told you why. As it was, things were just going round and round talking about the possible reasons why he wouldnt get the role. something had to give and it did.
If you wanna get mad, then direct your anger at WB, but don't shoot the messenger.

Why would we be mad at WB? Where is the proof that they think Cavill is gay? Cavill has said he is straight. I guess it's his word vs C. Lee's.

[GreenKToo]

why?? because they would be the one not casting him because of it ( if true )

[GreenKToo]

anywho, i'm done with it. now, bring on the casting rumors.

[Astrodust]

why?? because they would be the one not casting him because of it ( if true )

Proof?

[Astrodust]

Gay, straight, bi.. Likes to bother farm animals.. Makes no difference.
If an actor has the look, the build and can pull of the duel roles of Superman/Clark then sexual preference should have no bearing on casting.

I draw the line at #4 lol.

[Man of Tomorrow]

He is.

Showtime told me not to mention the Cavill is gay thing here years ago.

Wasn't expecting it to finally leak out.


Oh well.

[GreenKToo]

I guess i'm digging scott porter or hammer out of the likely ones to get tested. That is unless I hear a better name that will get tested.

[Rust]

I wouldnt mind if Nick Zano tested, although I havent been able to find proof of his acting.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QmdIZf1GO54/Shyf__B5bbI/AAAAAAAAAU4/oX_8gVwjOBE/s400/MV5BMjA5NjMxOTc2NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzgzODIzMQ@@._ V1._SX318_SY400_.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Nick%20Zano-3.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/08/zano-interview/nick-zano-interview-02.jpg

[GreenKToo]

age 32, height 6'1. how's his acting.

[Man of Tomorrow]

As before, I'm only fine with:

1)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KakDTGzMAik/TCXIEjc_GcI/AAAAAAAAAp8/dcTSp3h9FWI/BrandonRouth2.jpg

OR


2) A complete unknown that meets the physical requirements of the character.



We've been through all the known names and up and coming actors for Superman and none of them really promise to be great definitive portrayals of the character that could potentially dethrone Reeve.

A complete unknown, like Reeve and Routh, is the best chance to score a definitive Superman for this generation that can outdo Chris Reeve as the face of Superman.

[Man of Tomorrow]

age 32, height 6'1. how's his acting.

Nick Zano?

Really...bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGzeLOZ8tdU

[C. Lee]

I'm glad to see that the reading and comprehension abilities of the Hype are still up to par. By all means people...do not read what I actually post but read into it what you want instead.

I have no agenda. I have no allegience to any actor or any bias against any actor. Many of you are the people forming camps to defend or attack one actor or another and his followers or detractors. I don't care who gets the part (we went through this line of discussion just a couple of weeks ago....again) so I don't say things for or against any actor to bolster my choice or to tear down another's choice.

Many of you kept asking why some people were saying so adamantly why Cavill would not be picked by the studios and attacking them for not revealing thier reason. Well....I revealed thier reason. Get over it and discuss it maturely or do not post in here.

If you will notice the part bolded above....it does not say (as some of you keep posting) that I say I will ban those who speak of it....it says to discuss it maturely.

[Rust]

Nick Zano?

Really...bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGzeLOZ8tdU


Well, I would need to see more. But you may be onto something here. I dunno. He still goes on my list. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

its funny how you brought up this "gay" issue yourself, and now when people start to discuss it, you can't handle it.

Bit hypocrital IMO. You can't go banning people beforehand and then try and stir things up about an actor without a single shred of proof or evidence.

Cavill could sue for slander IMO. I'd be very careful what you say on the internet. the best word to use is "alleged" when discussing rumours.

If Cavill is gay, then thats his choice.

well there is no "official" statement from Cavill, nor have there been many articles on blogs about him being gay. C Lee's statement is the first anybody has ever heard about Cavill being gay, other than maybe the hollywood inner circle.


I think its very hypocritical to just blurt something out with no proof for no apparent reason and then ban people for discussing it. I guess it must be a hidden agenda or personal agenda or something.

Nick Zano?

Really...bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGzeLOZ8tdU
ugh...not so good.

[Showtime]

C. Lee has no agenda, he thought we could be adults in this thread and discuss the situation, some have and some haven't. He saw the that some posters in discussion where saying there were reasons that Cavill wouldn't be cast and were being vague about them, so he removed the vague by telling us why.

For you ill-informed Cavil supporters. This isn't C. Lee's view or C. Lee's agenda. Actually, if you think about this logically. C. Lee was the one who removed the rule of there being a separate thread for Cavill and merged him into the casting thread. If he had an agenda, why would he have done that? Think about it.

Now whether Cavill is gay or not, or Cavill prefers the company of insects or mammals doesn't really matter. We are all going to find out really soon in regards to who the next Superman is going to be, and all of this is he or isn't he scuttlebutt won't make a difference.

[GreenKToo]

I hope we find out very soon.

[green]

I'm glad to see that the reading and comprehension abilities of the Hype are still up to par. By all means people...do not read what I actually post but read into it what you want instead.

I have no agenda. I have no allegience to any actor or any bias against any actor. Many of you are the people forming camps to defend or attack one actor or another and his followers or detractors. I don't care who gets the part (we went through this line of discussion just a couple of weeks ago....again) so I don't say things for or against any actor to bolster my choice or to tear down another's choice.

Many of you kept asking why some people were saying so adamantly why Cavill would not be picked by the studios and attacking them for not revealing thier reason. Well....I revealed thier reason. Get over it and discuss it maturely or do not post in here.

If you will notice the part bolded above....it does not say (as some of you keep posting) that I say I will ban those who speak of it....it says to discuss it maturely.

I really dont understand why you decided "to take the bullet" over this. Its pretty clear by reading the thread who brought this up, a few are posters that have been around long enough and know better, a few dropped it and did walk away and then theres a troll in there as well. Its also pretty clear that they all could have dropped it, instead they decided to keep responding and practically taunt others with there "inside" knowledge.

[BH/HHH]

Well according to this he's not gay anyway

Henry Cavill is gay
Fiction. He has stated numerous times on message boards that, even though some of his good friends are gay, he himself is not.

http://www.henrycavillfan.com/rumors.php#05

Even if he was I'd want him to be Superman

Anyway I hope to god they cast someone soon

[SuperMike335!!]

My favorite choice since Routh isn't coming back

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4637/routhsuperman2mcpartlin.jpg

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif There we go.

One of my favorite options too.

[gillberg2k1]

I really dont understand why you decided "to take the bullet" over this. Its pretty clear by reading the thread who brought this up, a few are posters that have been around long enough and know better, a few dropped it and did walk away and then theres a troll in there as well. Its also pretty clear that they all could have dropped it, instead they decided to keep responding and practically taunt others with there "inside" knowledge.

I applaud my peers who also tried to be subtle about this, and I respect C. Lees decision to be open about it despite the **** storm it could potentially start.

I don't feel that anyone was necessarily taunting anyone. If people have some sort of inferiority complex around here or feel bullied, that's their problem and they need to lighten up. Nobody is trying to bully anyone, but they are stating relevant information. It may not be what people want to hear, but that's too damn bad. Out of respect for Cavill and his career I personally did not want to say anything, yet this is something that has come up in my conversations time and time again.

The real issue here is the state of this (and other) thread(s) that become rants and ravings of those who refuse to accept the reality of the situation. These are tiresome and do nothing to serve this thread or any sort of real discussion.

I would prefer to move on and from this point on, I'm done discussing it. I've heard from relevant people that it is in fact the issue and it makes perfect sense as to why he will not get the role. Accept it or don't, I couldn't care less at this point, but if anything it should give you a little more perspective and perhaps some insight in future casting discussions and potential candidates.

Having said that, that McPartlin manip looks awesome.

[green]

What do people think of Teddy Sears?
His name came up during the Captain America casting, Ive never seen him act.
He's 33, 6'3", mostly only done television.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/teddy_sears.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/the-client-list-15.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/teddy-sears.jpg

[Parker Wayne]

C. Lee has no agenda, he thought we could be adults in this thread and discuss the situation, some have and some haven't. He saw the that some posters in discussion where saying there were reasons that Cavill wouldn't be cast and were being vague about them, so he removed the vague by telling us why.

For you ill-informed Cavil supporters. This isn't C. Lee's view or C. Lee's agenda. Actually, if you think about this logically. C. Lee was the one who removed the rule of there being a separate thread for Cavill and merged him into the casting thread. If he had an agenda, why would he have done that? Think about it.

Now whether Cavill is gay or not, or Cavill prefers the company of insects or mammals doesn't really matter. We are all going to find out really soon in regards to who the next Superman is going to be, and all of this is he or isn't he scuttlebutt won't make a difference.

I actually thought C. Lee's post was pretty funny. I never saw or heard about it. It came out of nowhere. :hehe:

[Antonello Blueberry]

There were people running around saying Routh was gay because Bryan Singer was gay and directing Superman Returns.

I think it was Rich Johnston who started the rumor of Singer's wish of casting a gay actor to use Superman as a metaphor of being different (as the X-Men movies weren't enough).
He followed that with other rumors of Routh being taken to gay bars in Australia by Singr and Spacey.
Those rumors snowballed.
Anyway, where did this "Cavill is gay" rumor start instead?

[green]

I applaud my peers who also tried to be subtle about this, and I respect C. Lees decision to be open about it despite the **** storm it could potentially start.

I don't feel that anyone was necessarily taunting anyone. If people have some sort of inferiority complex around here or feel bullied, that's their problem and they need to lighten up. Nobody is trying to bully anyone, but they are stating relevant information. It may not be what people want to hear, but that's too damn bad. Out of respect for Cavill and his career I personally did not want to say anything, yet this is something that has come up in my conversations time and time again.

Eh, it definatley came across as taunting to me when reading it and apparently to others too, otherwise they wouldnt have been so persistant.
I understand that out of respect you didnt just blurt it out but then it just shouldnt have been brought up in any way at all. I appreciate what you tried to do in letting people know he wasnt going to get the part for various reasons but at the same time look at what it started.

The real issue here is the state of this (and other) thread(s) that become rants and ravings of those who refuse to accept the reality of the situation. These are tiresome and do nothing to serve this thread or any sort of real discussion.

Its a casting thread on the Hype, you know what they are like:woot:

I would prefer to move on and from this point on, I'm done discussing it. I've heard from relevant people that it is in fact the issue and it makes perfect sense as to why he will not get the role. Accept it or don't, I couldn't care less at this point, but if anything it should give you a little more perspective and perhaps some insight in future casting discussions and potential candidates.

Having said that, that McPartlin manip looks awesome.

I also appreciate you stepping up now and clearing the air.
:up:
Moving on...

[Alonsovich]

At the risk of being tiresome... I'll try to put things into perspective. You have a studio who is in a legal battle with the creators of a boy scout like character, that comes out of 17 years of failures with that very same character and is in front of it's VERY LAST CHANCE to make it successful. It's either this one or no more Superman on big screen EVER. That same studio faced a lot of suspicions with the sexuality of their last actor in the role. Just imagine if they cast Cavill in the role... and the tabloids discover this before the movie even hits screens. Get now why he wasn't cast as Bond either? Why it was Craig, despite not meeting the age and looks criteria? Don't ever subestimate the power of negative PR. Specially if the actor is british and has to deal with the likes of things like News of the World or The Sun. It's a NIGHTMARE that you may not care about, but if anyone of you would be in the situation of having to respond to a board of investors, you WOULD very definitely care. This has nothing to do with Cavill's acting ability or looks. It has to do with it being a potential horror story for one of the most powerful corporations of the world and them potentially losing one of their potentially most lucrative franchises due to a combination of bad PR and homophobia in the general public. It's a risk no big corporation would take in a position of "do it or lose it" with a huge corporate asset. They're going to play safe, and I think getting Nolan/Snyder/Goyer is a pretty big indication of that. They're WB's golden boys. So expect also one of WB's golden boys to get cast as Supes.

[BH/HHH]

What do people think of Teddy Sears?
His name came up during the Captain America casting, Ive never seen him act.
He's 33, 6'3", mostly only done television.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/teddy_sears.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/the-client-list-15.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/markofort/teddy-sears.jpg

Maybe with some muscle on him wonder what his actings like

[DCnightwing23]

Joe M, Travis Van Winkle, and Spencer Conway arent gonna be Superman either, wanna know why?

Because all three of them are gay.

There you have it.