Green Lantern 2

[Gabe99]

From Latino Review:
Are 'Green Lantern 2' And '3' Already In Development? (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/are-green-lantern-2-and-3-already-in-development-10760)

Heat Vision Exclusive: Warners hires writers for 'Green Lantern 2' and 'Flash' (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/06/warners-hires-writers-for-green-lantern-2-and-flash-exclusive.html)

[danlav05]

Batman 3 + The Man of Steel + Green Lantern 2 in ONE YEAR?!

NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT DC!!

[mclay18]

Eh, I can't see GL2 coming out same year as Batman 3 and Superman. More likely, it'll get a summer 2013 release.

[Closerframe]

Eh, I can't see GL2 coming out same year as Batman 3 and Superman. More likely, it'll get a summer 2013 release.

I agree, Green Lantern is coming out next year, I doubt they'd film a sequel to a movie a couple months after its release in theaters then have it ready by the following year.

[mclay18]

I agree, Green Lantern is coming out next year, I doubt they'd film a sequel to a movie a couple months after its release in theaters then have it ready by the following year.

They could very well do it. I mean, Warners has a lot of confidence in the first film already (especially since Michael Goldenberg was hired to write the sequel days after filming wrapped on GL). If the first is a rousing success, Warners could fast track the sequel even more efficiently.

The first two Harry Potter films came out concurrently in 2001 and 2002. It could happen with GL and GL2, but most of the prime summer 2012 spots are already booked. Although Warners could pick and choose any summer date for 2013 right now:

May 3, 10, 17, 24, 31
June 7, 14, 21, 28
July 5, 12, 19, 26

[matrix_ghost]

I think it'll be July 2013 ( unless they push back the Superman Reboot to summer 2013).
For the past few years WB has always released ine their high profile movies in July.
Batman 3 July 2012
Final Potter movie July 2011
Inception July 2010
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince July 2009
The Dark Knight July 2008
Harry Potter & Order Of The Phoenix July 2007
Superman Returns July 2006
Charlie & Chocolate Factory July 2005


July and November were usually the months reserved for Potter ( and now the batman franchise) but with Potter gone , i think WB might go for the July release date.

And good news that WB is already ordering the script for the 2nd movie to be written. Hopefully this will mean that GL2 will have a finished script when shooting starts. And this would also mean that WB is going to try to get the sequel out 2 yrs after GL1.

[mclay18]

I think it'll be July 2013 ( unless they push back the Superman Reboot to summer 2013).
For the past few years WB has always released ine their high profile movies in July.
Batman 3 July 2012
Final Potter movie July 2011
Inception July 2010
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince July 2009
The Dark Knight July 2008
Harry Potter & Order Of The Phoenix July 2007
Superman Returns July 2006
Charlie & Chocolate Factory July 2005


You have a point there. But SR was released June 28th.

WB could put the sequel in the same mid-June spot if GL hits it off. That way, they can position the franchise in the old Batman spot. And then they save the big heavy-hitters for July and November.

[matrix_ghost]

You have a point there. But SR was released June 28th.

WB could put the sequel in the same mid-June spot if GL hits it off. That way, they can position the franchise in the old Batman spot. And then they save the big heavy-hitters for July and November.

Forgot about SR. But yeah you also have a point about GL2 being released in June as well. Although WB sticks with certain dates ( JUly & November) because usually their movies have performed well during those times , WB also likes to experiment with more dates.
Look at Sherlock Holmes . Released in december against Avatar and Chipmunks 2. Despite the competition it still grossed 200 million domestic and WB is now going to release the sequel dec 2011.
Ditto with March. WB experimented with 300 on March and it worked out well. They also released Watchmen in March and Snyder's Sucker Punch. March was also the month when DIsney released Alice in Wonderland.

But yeah like you said , if GL1 works during that period WB might opt to release Gl2 in June as well.

[Gabe99]

From Variety:
Goldenberg lights 'Green Lantern 2' - Warner signs scribe to pen comic hero sequel (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118022717.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)
Warner Bros. is moving ahead on a second "Green Lantern," hiring Michael Goldenberg ("Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix") to write the screenplay for the sequel. With the first pic's June 17 release date just under a year away, the move to hire a writer for number two shows a serious commitment to the franchise.

Move comes a few months after the studio tapped the three "Green Lantern" screenwriters -- Greg Berlanti, Michael Green and Marc Guggenheim -- to write a treatment for "Green Lantern 2."

Goldenberg performed a rewrite on the script for "Green Lantern," which just wrapped shooting in Louisiana with Donald De Line producing and Martin Campbell directing. Ryan Reynolds stars as DC Comics superhero who's part of the Green Lantern Corps.

"Green Lantern 2" is one of the first DC Comics properties -- which include Batman, Superman and the Flash -- to move forward at Warner since the studio took control of DC Comics a year ago and rebranded it DC Entertainment, tapping Warner Bros. vet Diane Nelson as president. It brought in a new management team in February.

Warner Bros. announced in late April that "Batman 3" would open on July 20, 2012. David Goyer is working with Christopher Nolan's brother, Jonathan Nolan, on a script for the next Batman installment, based on an idea from Christopher Nolan.

Goldenberg previously adapted "Where the Wild Things Are" and also wrote "Peter Pan" and "Contact."

[BojacRedleif]

I say they should do the 2nd and 3rd movie back to back. I would be even happier if they started filming them before the first movie comes out.

When was the last time a movie studio had the balls to do that? Exactly.

No guts. No glory.

[Gamma Ray]

Wow. Overconfidence?

[C. Lee]

I say they should do the 2nd and 3rd movie back to back. I would be even happier if they started filming them before the first movie comes out.

When was the last time a movie studio had the balls to do that? Exactly.

No guts. No glory.

It was called THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy.

[Gabe99]

Collider (http://www.collider.com/2010/10/06/greg-berlanti-interview-green-lantern-2-no-ordinary-family-clash-of-the-titans-2/) Exclusive: Writer-Director Greg Berlanti on NO ORDINARY FAMILY, CLASH OF THE TITANS 2 and GREEN LANTERN 2 (http://www.collider.com/2010/10/06/greg-berlanti-interview-green-lantern-2-no-ordinary-family-clash-of-the-titans-2/)

[Gabe99]

DEADLINE EXCLUSIVE:
Both 'The Flash' And 'Green Lantern 2' Scripts Coming In To Warner Bros By Xmas (http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/both-the-flash-and-green-lantern-2-drafts-coming-in-to-warner-bros-by-xmas/)

I've just learned that the latest script for the Dc Comics character The Flash will be handed into Warner Bros between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Marc Guggenheim and Michael Green are writing the draft, and Greg Berlanti did the story with them. No word on who'll direct The Flash yet, but I can tell you it's doubtful it'll be Berlanti, even though his very different Life As We Know It came in #2 at the box office for the studio this weekend. And his freshman TV superpowers series No Ordinary Family is now ABC's most promising new drama, doing respectable business as a self-starter in one of the most competitive time slots. "He won't want to direct it because he kinda wants to do something in between size-wise first before attempting something that large," an insider tells me. On the other hand, "If Warner Bros does like the script and wants him to direct it... But that's a lot of ifs. And all of it is moot if they don't dig the script. Green Lantern wasn't real until the studio liked the draft." Speaking of Green Lantern, all 3 scribes worked on that superhero pic which director Martin Campbell is right now editing. And I hear the film shaping up is "jaw-dropping".) My source says, "They're working round the clock on that now. Also, the three of them are working on the treatment for the sequel to the Green Lantern at the same time. All of which will be in by Christmas."

[matrix_ghost]

Seems like we really are going to get the sequel within 2 years.

[superherolegacy]

Something to consider is WB's plan to release a superhero movie every year to catch up with Marvel. If Batman 3 and Man of Steel come out in 2013, Green Lantern could come out in 2013 to spread things out. Of course there's Flash to put into the mix, which is probably less of a sure thing than GL 2, since there's already being a first movie made for that franchise.

[Sam Fisher]

I say they should do the 2nd and 3rd movie back to back. I would be even happier if they started filming them before the first movie comes out.

When was the last time a movie studio had the balls to do that? Exactly.

No guts. No glory.The Matrix.

[Gabe99]

From IESB:
Green Lantern 2 and The Flash Scripts Turned In and Release Dates Set? (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10611:green-lantern-2-and-the-flash-scripts-turned-in-and-release-dates-set&catid=41:news&Itemid=71)

[shiveringmelody]

Star Sapphire for GL2, please! http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt47/SciFiJim_photobucket/smiley.jpg

[dnno1]

So they are saying somewhere between June 1st and June 10th. The next available Friday in 2013 is June 7th.

[HighFivingMF]

I say they should do the 2nd and 3rd movie back to back. I would be even happier if they started filming them before the first movie comes out.

When was the last time a movie studio had the balls to do that? Exactly.

No guts. No glory.
Didn't they do that with Dead Man's Chest and At World's End?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Been recent chatter about bringing a sequel back to New Orleans.

[The Morningstar]

Shouldn't they, you know, wait until the first one comes out? What if it ends up taking like 300 million WW or even less?

[HighFivingMF]

Shouldn't they, you know, wait until the first one comes out? What if it ends up taking like 300 million WW or even less?
Then they won't.

[dnno1]

Shouldn't they, you know, wait until the first one comes out? What if it ends up taking like 300 million WW or even less?

If you look at how long it took to do all the SfX and VfX work on the first film, it would behoove them to get the sequel set up just as a contingency so they won't be behind if they do get the green light. If it doesn't work out, they could always cut their losses and call it a day. I have a strong feeling that they will make a second film even if this one makes $400 million. In my opinion though, if this franchise is being prepped to be a replacement for Harry Potter, they will need to make almost a $100 million domestically in the first week or it will be a disappointment.

[KangConquers]

While I'm personally skeptical of the Green Lantern's box office performance (given the negative hype it's getting with hollywood insiders etc) WB has every reason to spend 1-2 million dollars on a script in case it does do well. That way, if it is a hit, they can keep the gravy train rolling at 100 mph.

[HighFivingMF]

What Hollywood Insiders?

[psylockolussus]

I hope the next one will be so much better!

[Primal Slayer]

If this gets a sequel very little of it should involve earth. And majority of the supporting cast should be GLs.

[HighFivingMF]

I want Ch'p god damn it.

[The Morningstar]

If it gets a sequel they need to get rid of the TV writers.

[The Sage]

Agreed.

Wrath of Khan overhaul is needed.

[DCnightwing23]

i think for the sequel, especially with how the film ends with Sinestro, it would fit my idea of sequels to have Sinestro still wearing the Green Lantern ring (switching back to it to keep his evil plans a secret) and therefor the reason he takes Hal on missions to other planets to catch thugs is so Sinestro can secretly start recruiting for the Sinestro Corp.

[Airwings]

Should Sinestro be the bad guy in the end? Or should we have Krona as the main villain?

[The Sage]

By the end of the film, Sinestro should turn. And I'd like to see the Manhunters involved.

[Karelia]

The sequel has massive potential. They let the audience gist of it, time to go full on "space epic" with it. I liked the idea of the film starting off with Hal fighting a space crime. That'd just be a cool way to start the movie off, IMO.

[BlueLantern]

This is the idea I posted in the other thread.

Considering the film that's been made there's many potential reasons why it didn't succeed. Too much fitted into too little. Maybe DC interfering too much? Maybe WB interfering too much? Who knows.

They can still save this plane crash of a franchise by potentially ignoring the **** that's gone down in this film and do a sequel with a more emotional storyline.

Get rid of what they've done here and go for a more steely approach to the story and make it a proper character based film without just being a mindless action adventure.

Personally I'd love to see a film book-ended with the setup towards Kyle being the last surviving member of the Corps who then faces off against the ultimate villain.

THE PREMISE

Start the film off almost in a similar manner to how Abin Sur comes to Earth looking to find his replacement but instead with Ganthet arriving on Earth which is being rebuilt following what seems to have been an extinction level event and him seeking out a ring slinger.

Through a little bit of exposition when he finds Kyle Rayner, the new Lantern, we find out that a destructive force has almost wiped out the Green Lantern Corps (no naming what it is) and Ganthet is looking for Rayner to be his first new Lantern.

I'd do away with the fear-entity ******** Johns created to justify Hal's actions and show Hal's descent to madness in a very real fashion through the use of flashbacks charting the destruction of not just Coast City but most of the the planet leading to a semi-post apocalyptic world.

Rayner obviously has questions, questions which lead into the bulk of the film's plot through the primary portion of the film being a flashback.

FLASHBACK BITS.

The film's plot as such kicks off with a pitched battle between the Sinestro Corps and Green Lantern Corps on OA which results in both sides suffering heavy losses and the GLC ultimately scraping through thanks to Hal rallying his troops and turning over the Sinestro Corps.

We find out that Sinestro had turned against the Corps as a pre-emptive strike prior to them reacting to his own dictatorial rule over Korugar by stripping him of his ring by him harnessing the yellow energy of fear to rise up against them.

This battle needs to be fairly short but intense depicting the polar opposites of Hal & Sinestro with a little bit of exposition to explain the above and the battle stressing the rivalry between the two.

Following the battle being won by the GLC, maybe a few shots switching between Earth and OA would be good, showing the parallels of chaos on Earth and order on OA but also showing some weaker moments of Hal with his loneliness coming through but being comforted by the softer scenes he'd share with Carol who is more than love interest but a proper companion to Hal. Hal however needs to be seen in these moments to question Sinestro's actions as well to try and understand what happened.

The main thing that needs to be achieved at this point is why Sinestro's really fighting the Corps. Him having differing views isn't enough grounds for him to just wage war against them, and neither is his expulsion, even though it's seen as enough by many. Ideally it needs to be down to him wanting control.

Not just him wanting power but him wanting the power to control how the universe is run and not in the soft manner the guardians want to run the universe in. He doesn't want to stand by and watch whilst things go to ****. He wants to play God on a big level and this needs to be his motivation.

Whilst the GLC are celebrating their victory, or well not celebrating but just recognizing their victory, and following some scenes covering the ground of what's gone down we find that Sinestro's retreating forces have already gone one step ahead of them and targeted Hal's home world of Earth as revenge for their defeat.

The Sinestro Corps unleashes a nuclear equivalent attack on Earth by focusing the energies of their rings through the Yellow Power Battery almost destroying the entire planet resulting in the 2nd big throw down.

The destruction of Earth needs to be caused by Sinestro to prevent the Cyborg thing coming into play with it being a revenge motive to show that even the greatest Green Lantern (Hal) can be pushed over the edge and how his control stretches to every facet of the Corps, even their hearts and minds.

During the battle Hal goes out of control a little bit and you can see him losing his battle with his own fear as he sees what Sinestro's done to his home planet. They duke it out with Sinestro taking more of the Corps down with Hal unleashing his power as well to take down all but Sinestro from the Sinestro Corps with the GLC having to restrain Hal and the Guardians intervening to imprison Sinestro in the Central Battery.

Even at this point during the battle you see Hal giving into the fear emanating from Sinestro, and maybe you see the initial grey lines appear around his sides just to lineup with the comics' aging style depicted in the story-arc.

Hal surveys the wreckage of Earth and is taken away almost from a comforting point by the remaining GLC to Oa to speak with the Guardians about what's happened.

After speaking to them he realizes that they're not going to execute Sinestro but will instead merely keep him imprisoned in the power battery, and he gets pretty enraged by this and also starts hearing Sinestro's voice in his head as his conscience almost telling him about the lack of control he has over the situation and how the Guardians are almost not willing to wipe out the evil of the universe just so that they have a job to do almost. Fear keeping the universe in line and all that.

Hal flies back to Earth at this point but prior to him leaving you see Sinestro in the Power Battery releasing the yellow energy into the battery from his ring which was thought depowered by the Corps and laughing to himself at what's happening outside.

Once Hal arrives on Earth he sees the chaos that's been caused by the extinction level event brought about by Sinestro and starts questioning himself even further about how inactive the Guardians are. You see his good side come through as he helps a few people here and there on Coast City but when he has an injured person question why he spends so much time in the stars and not protecting Earth he kinda flips a bit and seeing what he's becoming because of his inability to protect his home he heads back to Oa to end Sinestro once and for all.

His justification for killing Sinestro needs to be that Sinestro is his guilty conscience and also the personification of the weakness pervading through the Corps. He also feels the Guardians fear Sinestro which is why they won't kill him.

When he arrives on Oa to kill Sinestro he discovers the Guardians have moved the Power Battery to a secret location as they knew Hal would come for them. An argument between Hal and the Guardians ensues with Hal's conscience clearly winning the battle in his own head throughout and Parallax as such finally overtakes Hal.

He bursts out at the Guardians resulting in the 3rd action beat of the film with him pretty much releasing all his powers on them and absorbs their energy and begins to dismantle anyone who comes in his way, Lantern or not and becomes Parallax. Not the gassy smokey version or the fear entity, but just the badass that he was in the original arc.

With this battle you see that the only Guardian who supported him Ganthet refuses to fight Hal but instead attempts to reason with him whilst protecting the Corps.

He finally breaks through to Hal and contains him temporarily by harnessing the powers of the dying Guardians and throws Hal into the anti-matter universe with the bait of that being where Sinestro is. It's depicted as a portal to another dimension without mentioning Anti-Matter.

Ganthet bloody and bruised tends to the very few surviving Corps and leaves a crumbling Oa which implodes behind him as he makes way for Earth, thinking that he may find an emotional counterpart to Hal who may save the Corps.

BACK TO THE FUTURE

We come back to the present where Killiwog and the remaining Corps, only around 4-5 of them have been spread out to maintain order whilst Rayner is recruited, who finds out that he was merely in the right place at the right time and in anecdotal moment gets told that 'he'll do'. Rayner asks for what and Ganthet replies 'for the Blackest Night'. This isn't the Blackest Night of the comics but is the final faceoff between Parallax and Sinestro.

In the present we find out that Parallax didn't find Sinestro and is coming for the remaining Corps members who have settled on Earth to undo the damage Sinestro did as he wants to extinguish anything that links him to the damage he did to his home planet.

He arrives on Earth and an immense battle of will takes place between Parallax and the remaining Corps including the newly knighted Kyle.

During the battle we find out that Ganthet had housed Sinestro in a pocket dimension and releases him following an agreement that Sinestro would be given the control he desired as long as he helped chain Hal down.

By this point Hal's gone so far over the edge that he's willing to use his powers to destroy pretty much everything and start again. Naturally, he must be stopped.

You have the final action beat of the film which is Sinestro, Killiwog, Ganthet and Kyle versus Parallax but **** hits the fan when Sinestro starts manipulating Hal for his own aims and further goads him into doing what he set out to do. Sinestro assumes he can overpower Hal, get him to destroy the Corps anyway and then prevent destruction resulting in him being the saviour.

Problem is Hal/Parallax doesn't see it that way and plows through the heroes and Sinestro anyway. He dismantles everyone including Rayner and finally beats down Sinestro to an inch of his death whilst everything is coming to an end around him.

Beaten and bruised, Sinestro begins to laugh and also pretty much cry at what he's achieved and says something along the line of him only wanting to be the universe's saviour and protector and the Guardians couldn't contend with that. At this point Hal's humanity creeps through ever so slightly and he asks why and Sinestro responds 'so I can be in control' and dies.

In a whole moment of his life flashing before his eyes, Hal regains control of his senses and realizes what's happened. He goes for the Sun which is the source of the hollowing he started himself and sacrifices himself in the one final moment of heroism and prevents what he wanted from coming to pass.

The film ends with Ganthet using a large reserve of his powers to help rebuild Earth (Brainiac 13 technology style) and Rayner assisting this process and the two of them flying into the darkness with new challenges to face.

THEMES

The main thematic elements of the film in a similar way to any morality tale would be heroism, sacrifice, the power that people desire and fear of loss. There would need to be parallels of course. Again each of the themes carry emotional weight and need to be balanced.

- Hal and Kyle are two of the same being. Hal shows his heroism in the first and third act. Kyle shows his in the third and fourth act.

- Hal and Ganthet are willing to sacrifice. Hal is willing to sacrifice his own life at the end of the film to save the universe from his own actions. Ganthet, albeit stupidly is willing to sacrifice the entire Corps to stop Parallax by releasing Sinestro, thus resulting in a bigger storm.

- The Guardians and Sinestro both desire control. The Guardians want things done their way which is their weakness, and ditto for Sinestro who even when he dies does so satisfied albeit prematurely that he died in control.

- Hal and Sinestro both have a fear of loss. Hal fears losing his mind which he does. He fears losing his home, which he does through Sinestro actions and loses his adopted home of Oa through his own power-fuelled actions. Sinestro fears losing control and does everything to make things dependent on him, even if that means risking the entire universe.

MAIN PLAYERS

Hal : He's the central part of the story with Sinestro. He is the tragic hero ultimately. He is central to every thematic element above along with Sinestro.

Sinestro : He needs to be evil, but again evil with a reason. Control.

Ganthet and the Guardians : The Guardians need to be like any orthodox force. Old fashioned and stubborn, with only Ganthet seeing the errors they made.

Kyle Rayner : The last of the Lanterns. He is the new student. He gets his moment at the end of the film and hopefully in a sequel.

CONCLUSION

It's a pretty ambitious idea because ultimately if done wrong it could be an absolute cluster**** but would be hopefully be pulled off by a skilled team.

It would likely be long. The film would be divided into five acts.

The Prologue would show Ganthet arriving on Earth to find Rayner who he chooses as a Lantern and then explains to him what's gone down, and dovetails into the First Act.

The First act charts the battle between the Sinestro Corps and the Green Lantern Corps. It also slows slightly into the emotional attachments Hal has on Earth and his relationship with Sinestro. A second level flashback would show the expulsion of Sinestro and forming of the Sinestro Corps.

The Second Act would be the second battle between the Sinestro Corps and the Green Lantern Corps; the destruction of Earth; and the imprisonment of Sinestro into the Central Power Battery after the Guardians intervene in the battle. At the end of this act you see the early descent of Hal into darkness.

The Third Act would begin with Hal speaking to the Guardians about Sinestro and their decision not to kill him; show the aftermath on Earth with Hal's inner conflict taking place; the yellow energy being released into the Central Power Battery and end with Hal's return to Oa with his intention to kill Sinestro.

The Fourth Act begins with Hal confronting the Guardians; him learning of their supposed betrayal of sparing Sinestro's life; Hal becoming Parallax and taking down the entire Corps and destroying Oa; Ganthet using his powers and the sacrifice of his fellow Guardians to throw Parallax into the anti-matter universe with the bait of him facing Sinestro there; Ganthet makes his way to Earth; finds Kyle and the film basically meets up with where the prologue dove in.

The Fifth Act is basically the final battle as explained above in detail. Everything goes down and all the loose ends are tied up with the heroes being the heroes and the villains being the villains, but albeit with the lines between the two very very thin.

The epilogue is the aftermath of it all. A new Corps needs to be built with a new Lantern and a setup for the future with Kyle as the main man.

Opinions?

[The Morningstar]

Sorry folks, it ain't getting a sequel. Maybe a Hulk esque sequel/reboot a few years down the line.

[BlueLantern]

Well that's what my idea basically is. It doesn't take much from the first film, just kinda reboots it in an X-Men First Class way.

[Karelia]

I'd love to see Kyle's story on the big screen. I don't think Geoff John's would, though. Who knows what WB's thinking right now? They seemed positive of sequels.

[Blackman]

Kyle would be cool but I say they introduce John Stewart and Guy Gardner in the 2nd film. (Kyle at the end).

[Ultra Lantern]

Sorry folks, it ain't getting a sequel. Maybe a Hulk esque sequel/reboot a few years down the line.


There's already a script done for a sequel.

[Deaths Head II]

If this were to actually have a sequel they should pull a "The Wolverine" and ignore the first film. Just start the film with Hal doing missions with Sinestro and other members of the corp. Never step foot on Earth, just have the whole film be space missions showing Hal's training as a Green Lantern. Have a red herring villain like the Manhunters but have the real villain of the film turn out to be Sinestro after Hal visits Sinestro's home planet and exposes Sinestro's true nature. Sinestro gets a yellow ring and goes after Hal. Then have a big fight between the two of them.

There's already a script done for a sequel.

There was a script for Dragonball Evolution 2 as well. Doesn't mean much.

[BlueLantern]

Indeed. That was my thought. Screw what happened in the first because it doesn't really set up a sequel too well with that post credits scene.

Considering the film basically blew it's load with Parallax and Hector Hammond in the first film the sequel has less ground to cover which is stupid.

[The Sage]

As said, go Wrath of Khan and let the sequel be standalone but it can be connected to the first one if you want.

I'd keep the reference of Hal defeating Parallax, as it's something Sinestro might end up resenting. Starting it with Hal on a space mission would be cool, but I wouldn't mind him returning to Earth for a few moments before getting sent to the next one. Show the bond between Sinestro and Hal, maybe have them uncover the secret about the Manhunters. And of course, feature Sinestro's turn along the way.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

yeah, i wouldn't count the post-credit scene as cannon. could just be used as a "what's to come" sort of thing.

hopefully WB does go through with a sequel and have it take place in space more.

[Deadpool7]

I cannot believe WB has potentially blew it with this franchise. Unbelievable. With all of the interviews that Johns and Lee have given about Green Lantern being a space epic in the mold of Star Wars, how did they allow this to happen?

[The Sage]

^ Wrong thread for that talk. There's a few in the GL Spoilers section, direct your complaints there.

Anyway, I'd keep mid credits scene as canon. I only saw it as Sinestro being curious about the Yellow Power since he nearly had it before.

[Deaths Head II]

I say ignoring it is the best method. If you want to keep aspects from the first film as cannon I think you should be free to do but I think they should make the sequel a completely standalone story and not require seeing the first film.

[HighFivingMF]

If you want to keep aspects from the first film as cannon I think you should be free to do but I think they should make the sequel a completely standalone story and not require seeing the first film.

Every sequel should do that regardless of the first part's reception.

[aragen]

Here's my idea:

The main baddie would be Atrocitus and perhaps the secondary villain would be Star Sapphire.

He's searching for a power to fight the guardians for what happened to the lost sector (Parallax destroying it and the Guardians for covering it up).

He comes across Sinestro. The two fight but Atrocitus gets away but not before telling Sinestro about the future (Korugar erupting in violence).

He comes to Earth looking for the power and of course he fights Hal. Hal tries to go after him but Carol becomes Star Saphhire and begins reek havoc on Hal's life.

Meanwhile, Sinestro becomes paranoid about Atrocitus's prophecy and starts to see crime erupt, believing willpower isn't working, he begins to use the yellow ring (Which he kept).

Atrocitus finds the red light of rage and becomes a Red Lantern. He easily wipes the floor with Hal. Hal meanwhile frees Carol of the Star Sapphire and perhaps in a nod to the Predator, it attacks him in a similar form before he destroys it. Hal then chases after Atrocitus.

Atrocitus, wanting to stick it to the Guardians, goes after their greatest warrior, Sinestro. He goes to Korugar and fights Sinestro, who's fallen deeper into the Yellow Ring's influence. Hal shows up and helps him but Atrocitus's begins to grow. Hal calls for back up, inadvertently exposes Sinestro's use of the yellow ring. Eventually Hal tries to reason with Atrocitus and finds about his family getting killed by Parallax. Atrocitus's rage calms and just as the Corps begins to arrest him, Sinestro kills him. Hal gets into a big argument but then they are teleported to the Guardian's chambers where they banish Sinestro to the antimatter universe.

Hal and the other Lanterns got back to their respective Sector thinking it's over but meanwhile Sinestro finds a weapon fabricator in the anti matter universe and asks him to duplicate the yellow ring.



It's an idea.

[Deadpool7]

^ Wrong thread for that talk. There's a few in the GL Spoilers section, direct your complaints there.

Anyway, I'd keep mid credits scene as canon. I only saw it as Sinestro being curious about the Yellow Power since he nearly had it before.

Considering there may not be a Green Lantern 2, I'm not sure I agree with you...but, I shall obey The Sage.

[The Sage]

My point is, there's plenty of complaining in the threads elsewhere, no need to carry it over here.

[Gabe99]

From THR:
Warner Bros. to Pursue 'Green Lantern' Sequel (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-pursue-green-lantern-205703)

Warner Bros. is already planning a sequel to Ryan Reynolds' superhero pic Green Lantern, despite the film’s soft performance at the box office.

Sources say Warners still believes in the franchise, even if the studio is “somewhat disappointed” with Green Lantern’s result.

Over the weekend, Green Lantern fell a steep 66% at the domestic box office, grossing $18.4 million for a cume of $89.3 million. That’s a big decline.

Warner Bros. president of domestic distribution Dan Fellman said the movie is settling in, pointing out that fanboy pics often see a significant drop-off in their second weekends.

Still, Green Lantern fell off more than recent superhero pics Thor and X-Men: First Class. Thor dropped 47% in its second weekend, while First Class dropped 56%.

Similar films that have seen the same sort of dip that Green Lantern did include Hulk, which dropped nearly 70% in its second outing.

Green Lantern cost $200 million to produce before a sizeable marketing spend (rival studios say it was one of the most expensive on record). Warners, preparing for the end of Harry Potter, needs new franchises, so was willing to invest big in Green Lantern.

A formidable obstacle standing in Green Lantern’s way now is Paramount’s Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which opens in theaters around the globe on Tuesday night.

[KangConquers]

I still say that's spin just to try save face after a miserable attempt to create a new flagship movie series.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

if that article is indeed true then i am happy that WB will not give up on GL

they've all heard the critics and fans and i'm sure they will deliver a better film. though i did like GL, you can tell there were parts that felt rushed and the script itself had some misses

[KalMart]

:confused:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/green-lantern-sequel-tepid-box-206002

That’s the question Warner Bros. faces in the wake of the less-than-stellar worldwide roll-out of the superhero tentpole. The studio appears to be grappling with the challenging decision. While a top studio source told THR on Sunday that Warners was proceeding with plans for a follow-up film, a studio spokesman said Monday that no decision has been reached.

[Gabe99]

From Bad Ass Digest:
Why Warner Bros Is Saying They’re Making A GREEN LANTERN Sequel (http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06/26/why-warner-bros-is-saying-theyre-making-a-green-lantern-sequel)

I think Green Lantern will end up being a bona fide bomb. It has a 200 million dollar production budget and a 100 million dollar advertising budget. It’s at an anemic 89 million domestic, with a second week plummet of 65%, high even by the usual high standards of blockbuster second week drops. It’s sputtering around overseas. It may crawl towards 180 global, but that’s still well below the budget. And on top of that all, it seems like people don’t particularly like the movie.

And yet Warner Bros is going ahead with a sequel, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Why?

There are a couple of reasons, some of which are real and some of which are posturing. The studio doesn’t want to admit defeat on the movie, because that will hurt the film in future weeks and on home video. By claiming they have a sequel coming down the pike it looks like confidence on the studio’s front, and this could interest ticket buyers. “There’s going to be a second one? Maybe I should see it!”

Also, Warner Bros doesn’t want their DC superheroes brand to look weak compared to Marvel. Yes, it’s good old Marvel vs DC again. DC has a whole bunch of possible franchises lurking, and they don’t want the superheroes to carry the stink of death. Part of what made Thor work was that people liked Iron Man and they see the Marvel movies as one franchise.

The real world reason can be summed up as such: Harry Potter. The studio’s cash cow ends in a couple of weeks, and they need something to replace it. Christopher Nolan is being a bit *****y to them and making sure that his Batman franchise won’t be that moneymaker, since he’s looking to end it with The Dark Knight Rises. There’s hope for The Man of Steel, but the Superman franchise has been tricky at best and as of right now nobody is completely confident in the script they have.

Warner Bros has known for months that Green Lantern wasn’t going to work; in the final months the biggest executives at the studio got their fingers into the editing of the film, trying to make something workable from it. What they’re probably doing now is writing the first film off as an investment in the series – they know what people responded to, and this time they can pick a director who will be more comfortable with all the special effects. Oh, and they’ll make the whole damn thing cheaper, too. Expect to see much less Oa and much more Sinestro on Earth.

That is if they even make it. Disney claimed they’re making another Tron movie, but there’s been zero movement on that in reality. I expect that Warner Bros will wait until home video comes in for Green Lantern before they actually pull the trigger. It’s the Batman Begins scenario, where they’re hoping the movie finds an audience at home. But unlike Begins, the studio is making a public show of support up front, before the film bounces out of the top five next weekend.

[ryan dube]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/06/27/green-lantern-2-2/

[KalMart]

1. 6/26/11
From Bad Ass Digest:
Why Warner Bros Is Saying They’re Making A GREEN LANTERN Sequel (http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06/26/why-warner-bros-is-saying-theyre-making-a-green-lantern-sequel)


2. 6/27/11 12:28 pm
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/06/27/green-lantern-2-2/


3. 6/27/11 11:37 pm
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/green-lantern-sequel-tepid-box-206002


3. = latest news :O

[Anno_Domini]

The second one is Hollywood Reporter as well, and they're just updating the whole WB/GL fiasco....I say when the dust clears, Warner Brothers will have more cons on a GL sequel than pros and brush that movie into the crap bin along with Jonah Hex.

[KalMart]

The second one is Hollywood Reporter as well, and they're just updating the whole WB/GL fiasco....I say when the dust clears, Warner Brothers will have more cons on a GL sequel than pros and brush that movie into the crap bin along with Jonah Hex.

Well...there's a school of thought that says always put on a smiling face when your movie still has yet to open in certain countries, and the DVD hasn't come out yet. ;)

But maybe they do somehow really believe in the potential of GL as a successful franchise down the road. It'd be one heck of a leap of faith if they do.

[cronosred]

It's too bad the general audience isn't as forgiving of this film as they are with the Transformer films.

[Anno_Domini]

Well...there's a school of thought that says always put on a smiling face when your movie still has yet to open in certain countries, and the DVD hasn't come out yet. ;)

I'd have more faith on DVD/Blu-ray sales than the ticket sales of other countries, imo. Who knows, maybe there is some truth to that "extended cut" rumor and WB may actually be pulling a Daredevil on us with extra footage. That'd be nice.

But maybe they do somehow really believe in the potential of GL as a successful franchise down the road. It'd be one heck of a leap of faith if they do.

A HUGE leap of faith. Even moreso than Altair's :awesome:

It's too bad the general audience isn't as forgiving of this film as they are with the Transformer films.

And that's saying a lot, lol.

But, when it comes to Michael Bay films, I think the GA understands already that Bay isn't trying to make an emotional film; he's trying to just make huge sound-and-spectacle popcorn flicks for the summer. With Green Lantern, it should, at least, be a GREAT film as usually CBM movies are great and shows certain kinds of emotion instead of just lights and sounds. Now, GL's SFX is perfectly fine, imo, but the characters, or most of them, were very dead, imo. Hal was definitely great and most of the others needed a little help, but Hal's friend(the dude who reminded me of SV's Dr. Hamilton lol), Hector and even Carol just felt like dead character weight.

[KalMart]

I'd have more faith on DVD/Blu-ray sales than the ticket sales of other countries, imo. Who knows, maybe there is some truth to that "extended cut" rumor and WB may actually be pulling a Daredevil on us with extra footage. That'd be nice.

If they feel like putting even more money into finishing the incomplete effects that kept a lot of that footage out. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

And the DVD/BluRay market ain't what it used to be with Netflix and Redbox, etc.

[Anno_Domini]

They may not have to put in more money for those scenes...there could have been many reasons why they were taken out instead of just not being finished.

[KalMart]

They may not have to put in more money for those scenes...there could have been many reasons why they were taken out instead of just not being finished.

According to some involved with the film, they were unfinished. So aside from that, yeah you could have a few scenes of, say, Hal getting a cup of coffee, or various other things that have no GL effects. Yay.

And even with that....putting together an 'extended cut' will cost more money if they don't already have that extended version conformed/mastered for release. They'd have to unarchive/reopen/reload another edit session and adjust the existing cut and soundmix to fit the extra scenes in...then redo a color-correct to match it, then remaster. It's not like putting together a 'fan edit' for YouTube. It's a lot less costly/involved to just include the extra stuff as bonus/deleted scenes if they still have it lying around.

[KangConquers]

I imagine sequel means "reboot in 8 years" not sequel in 2.

[KalMart]

I imagine sequel means "reboot in 8 years" not sequel in 2.

Add "if ever" to that. ;)

[Tony Stark]

WB is already debunking the earlier sequel reports:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/06/28/green-lantern-2-sequel/

believe me this isn't happening, and the actors are going to find other projects, and the whole thing will be over with.

[Airwings]

What the f**k? Why isn't Krona a good villain? He isn't mentioned even once in this thread.

[BlueLantern]

Because Parallax was pretty much merged with Krona in GL.

[DrCosmic]

Sinestro's already been set up. Why spend a whole nother movie setting him up when he's already one bad day away from going yellow ring???? He's the best villain to up the ante, no need for another placeholder villain, especially when Krona and Parallax, his other two greatest villains, have been done, more or less.

[Sam Fisher]

Because Sinestro wasn't sep up. Him putting on the yellow power ring was forced into the end credits. Hardly character development.

[The Morningstar]

Exactly Sam Fisher. It was just fan lip service and sequel bait. There was no set up. Set up would have been showing Sinestro being a bit questionable throughout the movie, not playing him off as the most noble and decent GL out there. Maybe have Hal go to Korugar with Sinestro on a training mission, then see how Sinestro keeps order in his sector.

More of the film should have been in space. **** Earth and Carol and Hal's friend who i can't even remember his name. Show Hal growing as a Lantern. Show Hal and Sinestro's relationship develop from mentor/student, to friends, then finally Hal realises that Sinestro is going too far with his policing of his sector. A real character arc for BOTH Hal and Sinestro.

[DrCosmic]

I disagree. Sinestro jumped on the yellow ring idea for reasons that were explicitly shown in the film. He believes it's more powerful and that he can be a better protector with it. This is in keeping with his post-rebirth characterization. Sinestro was a power hungry jerk the whole movie, only at the end did he treat Hal with any respect at all. How is he the most "noble and decent?" Most effective?

The scene with Korugar, which, I agree, is necessary to flesh out his fall, doesn't take two more movies to do. That could be at the end of the first act, and and he could be yellow ringing for the rest of the film. Why drag out their relationship to try and make it like the silver age comics when they already have a relationship that's been delved into as much as a 2hr movie can? Sinestro is already a mentor, we don't need 2 more hrs of that. Sinestro has already proven he is ready to go too far at the drop of a hat. We don't need 2 hrs of setting that up. 20-30 minutes is more than enough.

I would absolutely not set more of GL1 in space. GL2, yes, but The problem with GL, imho, was that we never got a feel for who Hal actually was, and we get that from the Earth scenes. Who he is as a Lantern is, and should be, an extension of who he is as a person. All we learned of him was that he liked his Nephew. True, a lot of the earth time was wasted on Hammond, but with that assigned to Hal, I think the movie would have been a lot better. I don't think more scenes of him with uber powers that are never believably tested would have made the movie better for anyone who's not already into the character.

[The Morningstar]

How was Sinestro and Hal's relationship developed at all? They shared what? 10 minutes screen time?

Three quarters of the movie should have been about Hal's adventure in space, like what the marketing campaign promised. He grows as a person, as he grows as a Lantern. It's not necessarily about showing the "uber powers". It's about character development. Which could have been done whilst he was training on Oa or going on training missions with other Lanterns, like Sinestro. The first quarter could have been on Earth. Show more of Hal with his family instead of his lame friend who was completely forgettable. Hint at a romance with Carol, don't have it in there as a superhero movie cliche. Have it more like Tony Stark and Pepper Potts from the first Iron Man movie.

That would have helped tone down the exposition as well. Don't tell us what the Lantern Corps is about in some narration. SHOW US. We learn what the Corps is about as Hal does.

[The Sage]

If there would be a sequel, it would need to set up and explain Sinestro's turn. His interest in the yellow ring was teased at the end. Second movie would have to go into why he believes he needs it, why he turns on the Lanterns.

[DrCosmic]

How was Sinestro and Hal's relationship developed at all? They shared what? 10 minutes screen time?

And in those 10-15 minutes, their relationship was developed pretty well. This isn't Star Wars where you can take three movies to set up an epic betrayal of bffs. They were colleagues, Sinestro had a hand in training Hal, and the movie showed that pretty clearly.

Three quarters of the movie should have been about Hal's adventure in space, like what the marketing campaign promised. He grows as a person, as he grows as a Lantern. It's not necessarily about showing the "uber powers". It's about character development. Which could have been done whilst he was training on Oa or going on training missions with other Lanterns, like Sinestro. The first quarter could have been on Earth. Show more of Hal with his family instead of his lame friend who was completely forgettable. Hint at a romance with Carol, don't have it in there as a superhero movie cliche. Have it more like Tony Stark and Pepper Potts from the first Iron Man movie.

It's hard to develop a character when they have the solution to all their problems on their hand. Growing as a Lantern doesn't visually translate into growing as a person. The film shows them becoming a great lantern, and it doesn't show the audience that they are great without their great power unless the film makes it a plot point. That's why it's a plot point in so many Superhero films. The Uber Powers are going to be shown regardless, it's just a matter of setting up the movie so that it doesn't seem that he has the answer to all problems because he's inherently better than everyone else on the planet, and, unfortunately, the GL film can be read that way, and I fear it was.

The time on Earth should have been spent much more wisely, to be sure, but it was beyond necessary. Coming back to Earth for the climax was even more necessary, as far as the heroic journey is concerned.

I think the inclusion of Tom Kalamaku was pretty important in the comics, ad I'm glad the movie did it, though I agree, he could have had a kewl moment to make him memorable.

That would have helped tone down the exposition as well. Don't tell us what the Lantern Corps is about in some narration. SHOW US. We learn what the Corps is about as Hal does.

I do agree that the time in space should have been spent much more wisely, as with the time on Earth, imho. Learning with Hal would have been a very wise move, and a little space galavanting instead of frolicking with Hector Hammond's character development, would have made for a more adventurous and enjoyable film overall.

So yeah, half and half... not three quarters space, not if you're not making a cartoon.

[DrCosmic]

If there would be a sequel, it would need to set up and explain Sinestro's turn. His interest in the yellow ring was teased at the end. Second movie would have to go into why he believes he needs it, why he turns on the Lanterns.

His interest in the yellow ring was a key part of his character in the movie. IIRC, it was only created because of his suggestion. He openly stated his plan to master it's power and train others to do the same. He stated plainly why he believes he needs it. All he needs is a reason to turn on the guardians, and that doesn't take a whole movie. Especially if he's already treating the people of Korugar like he treated Hal.

I'm sorry, I just really don't get this need to 'set up' Sinestro. He's at least half way set up already. Is there more depth that people wanted from him? Do people believe its wise to retread the ground in GL and do it better, or did people just miss these lines? Nothing personal to you, cuz you're not the first person to make this request, and I genuinely do not understand.

[DCnightwing23]

Im not sure if ive stated this before. If we do get a sequel im hoping for much more space cop scenes with Hal and Sinestro, but what would be great is if as Sinestro is taking Hal to these missions to find crimials and what not, he goes and recruits for his own corps. I dont think he should be the main villain just yet, but we should definitely see him preparing for something big. And that'll lead to an EPIC conclusion in the third film.

There's so much potential for this series to flourish, they just need someone who understands the GL mythos and can balance everything from earth and space. Im rather excited to see if we do in fact get a sequel because i think with the right people on board this franchise could be rather awesome.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

At the moment I just dont see a sequel happening, which is a shame really, the first movie wasnt the best, but it set-up the universe and characters so in a sequel we could just role with it. I think Strong would make an amazing evil Sinestro as well, that could be a great villain performance, just like he gave in Kick-Ass.

[mclay18]

At the moment I just dont see a sequel happening, which is a shame really, the first movie wasnt the best, but it set-up the universe and characters so in a sequel we could just role with it.

If Percy Jackson can get a sequel, then surely GL has a chance of one. I'd wait a bit longer before saying GL is a franchise "non-starter."

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Well, PJ made just under its budget domestically, GL was under its budget domestically by quite a way, I would say the next Riddick movie is more a better comparison, COR outright flopped and yet we are getting another Riddick movie.

I do think a GL movie can be made for a lot cheaper, just look at Hellboy II, $85 million to make and the effects still stand up over 3 years later.

[The Overlord]

Since the Green Lantern movie got bad reviews and under performed at the box office,what can be learned from the mistakes of the first movie to make the sequel better?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Plenty, better characterisation and story-telling for one, this really brought the movie down in my eyes. Better effects and action scene's would hurt either, and also dont be afraid to break away from the 'super hero formula' so to speak, this movie played it too safe.

Also, get a director who cares about the character and has a good track record with sci-fi.

[S.A.A.D.]

Green Lantern is fine, I mean I don't think that they played it too safe. I can think of a bunch of comic book movies that have played it too safe.

[Lord]

I'm not sure this will get a sequel, i know the studio talked and is still talking about it but i wont believe until they officially Green light the film

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Green Lantern is fine, I mean I don't think that they played it too safe. I can think of a bunch of comic book movies that have played it too safe.

Plenty have, but at the same time they did something a little bit different, GL was very formulaic in its story-telling.

[Webhead38]

I think the sequel is in trouble because the DVD sales have been okay but nothing big to write home about. I think the studio was hoping to find another audience in the secondary market, that didn't go see it during a very crowded summer. Personally I enjoyed the movie. It has it's own unique flavor and people either got it or they didn't it. I think the average person doesn't know anything about GL and so the story's simplicity was called out as a result.

[Karelia]

I think the sequel is in trouble because the DVD sales have been okay but nothing big to write home about. I think the studio was hoping to find another audience in the secondary market, that didn't go see it during a very crowded summer. Personally I enjoyed the movie. It has it's own unique flavor and people either got it or they didn't it. I think the average person doesn't know anything about GL and so the story's simplicity was called out as a result.

Hmm, I thought it was doing quite well with Blu Ray/DVD sales. I guess I just don't know what's good and what isn't in terms of sales.

I really think they should have released this film later in the year. It wouldn't have anything to go up against and they could have worked on the script/effects a lot longer.

I believe when they first announced the GL movie, it was looking for a December 2010 release date. It might have paid off if they stuck with that and got a better SFX crew. (ILM.)

[superhero]

I Heard green Lantern 2 coming out summer of 2013

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think the sequel is in trouble because the DVD sales have been okay but nothing big to write home about. I think the studio was hoping to find another audience in the secondary market, that didn't go see it during a very crowded summer. Personally I enjoyed the movie. It has it's own unique flavor and people either got it or they didn't it. I think the average person doesn't know anything about GL and so the story's simplicity was called out as a result.

The DVD/Bd sales have been VERY good for a movie that only made £116 million domestic. Its blu-ray sales werent far off that of First Class and its DVD sales have been comparable to Thor, both of which were a lot more successful at the BO and with critics than Green Lantern was. I'd say competing with those 2 in the home market means that GL is doing very well there.

[cloverfan98]

^Plenty, better characterisation and story-telling for one, this really brought the movie down in my eyes. Better effects and action scene's would hurt either, and also dont be afraid to break away from the 'super hero formula' so to speak, this movie played it too safe.

Also, get a director who cares about the character and has a good track record with sci-fi.

Except for some of the characters and the villians its amazing how alot of the GL comics don't feel like superhero stories. They really feel like a grand space opera. Very much like Star Wars.

[Mace Dolex]

I'd like to see another Green Lantern movie with Ryan Reynold's or anybody else.

[cloverfan98]

Be consistant. I'm tired of everyone screaming REBOOT! after a film isn'ta perfect one. Ryan Renolds should stay GL if at all possible. He's still a big name.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I agree, IF they do a sequel, keep Reynolds, re-boots havent all been successful, they are about the same as sequels in their failure-success rates, so make a sequel and just improve on what we have seen.

[Cosmic Boy]

http://i.imgur.com/loxxA.jpg
(by me aka Nuclear Chipmunk)

[Batman4ever]

A Flash movie!!!!!! I'm all for it!

[The Sage]

Wrong section, buddy.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I say lose Reynolds, lose Campbell, wait 10 years & reboot. Daredevil, Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer, Superman Returns, Punisher: War Zone...films that didn't warrant sequels but needed reboots & thankfully the studios saw that. By the time Daredevil & Fantastic Four are released, nobody will remember the crap that came before. Same goes for Man of Steel which will pretty much terminate whatever's left of the GA's memory of Superman Returns. In 2020, the third decade of CBMs, a Green Lantern reboot can be done right & perhaps share a universe with Snyder & Nolan's Superman franchise, which will be in its third installment at that point.

[DaveMoral]

Rebooting is a bad idea. Especially waiting 10 years. I say, evaluate the situation based on the performance of GL: TAS, then move forward if that catches on. Use the music from TAS for the score, and maybe give Hal, played by Reynolds, a redesign to look more like classic Hal Jordan. Then do an Emerald Dawn 2 type storyline and have Sinestro's use of the yellow ring get revealed after establishing Hal and Sinestro as friends. Maybe do something with Carol and the Star Sapphires to move things along at first. Carol as Star Sapphire appears evil at first by attacking Sinestro but it is later revealed that the reason the Star Sapphire is after Sinestro is because of his use of the yellow ring.

[The Morningstar]

They can't do a sequel. Who is going to watch the sequel to a movie that no one gave a **** about?

Fact is the audience didn't connect to the main character, which means the franchise is dead on arrival.

[KalMart]

Rebooting is a bad idea. Especially waiting 10 years. I say, evaluate the situation based on the performance of GL: TAS, then move forward if that catches on. Use the music from TAS for the score, and maybe give Hal, played by Reynolds, a redesign to look more like classic Hal Jordan. Then do an Emerald Dawn 2 type storyline and have Sinestro's use of the yellow ring get revealed after establishing Hal and Sinestro as friends. Maybe do something with Carol and the Star Sapphires to move things along at first. Carol as Star Sapphire appears evil at first by attacking Sinestro but it is later revealed that the reason the Star Sapphire is after Sinestro is because of his use of the yellow ring.

Or just make the sequel animated and release it on DVD...instead of spending all that more on a movie for theaters which is the last place this franchise belongs after the first one.

But more sensibly, and responsibly...there shouldn't be a sequel if the first movie didn't earn one critically or successfully.

[Jordacar]

I'd be cool with a direct sequel, just as long as Berlanti and Guggenheim are far away from it.

[psylockolussus]

If they are not gonna do a sequel for Green Lantern 1. I say make a Justice League movie first, then reboot the Green Lantern movie series.

[TheWallCrawler]

They can't do a sequel. Who is going to watch the sequel to a movie that no one gave a **** about?

Fact is the audience didn't connect to the main character, which means the franchise is dead on arrival.

They should do a movie that is a sequel but which doesn't act like one and reboots the over all style

kinda like Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengance, but except, ya know, good

[MarvelKnight]

I will laugh if this gets a sequel. While it is a little better a second or third time than the first, it still sucks.

[DaveMoral]

Sure, laugh. But if it got a sequel and that sequel was a stellar sequel, eclipsing the bad of the first film... that'd be one hell of an accomplishment.

That's the thing, it's totally salvageable. They set up what would be the most significant element anyway. All they've got to do is give us a Hal more like his comic counterpart than the jack ass we got in this film. How much better would GL have been if Hal had been shown from the death of his father, to getting kicked out of the Air Force because of his issues with authority, to entering Ferris Air at the bottom of the food chain to earning his place as a test pilot?

Reynolds was just fine as Hal, the only problem is they wrote aspects of Hal as if he were a Ryan Reynolds character.... not as if he were Hal Jordan. Write Hal Jordan as Hal Jordan and let Reynolds play that, give us more Sinestro face time and have a ring powered throwdown between these two men.

[The Morningstar]

It maybe salvageable in terms of film making. But as a brand? As something that can be marketed? I doubt it. The first movie just left such a bad taste in peoples mouths, even if they do a sequel, and it's a masterpiece, no one will give a ****.

[DaveMoral]

Perhaps.

Truthfully, it's the marketing that screwed the pooch... aside from the piss poor editing and crappy script. The marketing made it out like it was a full blown space opera and it wasn't.

Give it a few years and it might be something they can revisit, reinvent and reinvigorate.

The Hulk example is a stretch, but it might be worth considering. Though GL underperformed and was a critical failure even in comparison to Ang Lee's Hulk. 5 years from now GL isn't going to be remembered enough for people to be overly concerned, I think. Who even knows about it? Come at it again, make what they promised for #1 but turn it into a sort of soft reboot. Keep Reynolds and Strong. GL is still "canon" but GL2 starts off as if we don't know who this is.

There are some really interesting things that can be done with this franchise. It can be simultaneously a space opera epic AND a cop film akin to Training Day. Hell's Bells, call it Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn for all I care. Only instead of making it a kinda sorta retelling of ED1, make it ED2 but enable it to merge with a narrative that leads into a Sinestro Corps War for GL3. I have faith that it can be done spectacularly. The only question is how to jump the hurdle of the underwhelming performance, critical and general reception of GL1.

To me the prospects of GL2 ride somewhat on GL:TAS. If that can catch on with the kids and their folks, and the merchandising ever comes together for that(by the way, what's the deal with cartoon merch these days? Seems the only thing selling particularly well is The Clone Wars. Young Justice doesn't seem to have caught on at all, which doesn't give me much hope for GL:TAS having a toy line)... you could have WB getting the will power to pursue it again.

[The Sage]

If they wait 5 years, they would be better off going and doing a reboot, briefly touching on the origin and jumping right into the story.

[DoomsdayApex]

They'll wait, but not for a reboot. WB really wants a Justice League movie, so they can't start over from scratch yet. I say keep the cast and move on. This franchise is savable, in my opinion. Green Lantern wasn't Batman & Robin, Spiderman 3, Punisher: Warzone or Ghost Rider levels of mediocrity (more like Fantastic Four). That means minuscule improvements like relocating the film to San Diego and reducing the cheesy humor/elements could change everything.

Ryan Reyonds is a great actor, and is capable of great things but he was unable to display it with the s***ty script.

WB needs to be dedicated here and learn from the past mistakes. It's risky, but you can't get anywhere without risks. Marvel Studios took a couple huge gambles and they paid off. It had nothing to do with luck either.

[Scar Predator]

I say lose Reynolds, lose Campbell, wait 10 years & reboot. .

10 years might be too late. Comic book adaptations have a huge amount of interest right now, but things could always change. There was a time when buddy cops and martial arts protagonists were gold, but that ran it's course. It's always a good idea to strike while the iron is hot.

[murdock_matt]

Exactly. WB is definitely steamrolling to a JL movie. They HAVE to be. So why not consider GL their own version of The Incredible Hulk? TIH was better than GL, but it certainly didn't perform at the level a character of that worldwide fame SHOULD have. So you bite the bullet. You put out MOS. You get quality Flash, WW films out, then include the already established GL in the JL film. When that film blows up the box office like has never been seen before, THEN crank out a GL2.

[Daybreak_st]

Sure, laugh. But if it got a sequel and that sequel was a stellar sequel, eclipsing the bad of the first film... that'd be one hell of an accomplishment.

That's the thing, it's totally salvageable. They set up what would be the most significant element anyway. All they've got to do is give us a Hal more like his comic counterpart than the jack ass we got in this film. How much better would GL have been if Hal had been shown from the death of his father, to getting kicked out of the Air Force because of his issues with authority, to entering Ferris Air at the bottom of the food chain to earning his place as a test pilot?

Reynolds was just fine as Hal, the only problem is they wrote aspects of Hal as if he were a Ryan Reynolds character.... not as if he were Hal Jordan. Write Hal Jordan as Hal Jordan and let Reynolds play that, give us more Sinestro face time and have a ring powered throwdown between these two men.

Great post! I completely agree. I like the comparison of Chris Evans. Imagine if they tried to write Steve Rogers as Chris Evans/Johnny storm type. It would've been a colossal failure. Instead they wrote Steve Rogers properly and let Chris Evans transform himself into that character, and boom it worked well. That's what they should've done with Hal, but like you said they didn't. That's why it didn't work on film.

[Scar Predator]

I will laugh if this gets a sequel. While it is a little better a second or third time than the first, it still sucks.

GL will get a sequel or a reboot. Just as in Hulk's case, an underperforming flick isn't going to make GL DOA on the silver screen. Green Lantern has a huge fanbase and will always pull in the core fans. The trick is to pull in the marginal fans for maximum profits.

[Maximus]

Anyone seen this yet?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/09/green-lantern-might-reboot

[Two-Face Killer]

Prior to the movie being released I thought I read an article about WB and DC feeling that GL was going to be their Star Wars. Imagine if they had an actual writer and some people who cared about making a true to the comic movie utilizing all the great characters in the GL world?? Star Wars fans are fanatical about every single character in those movies (except for Jar Jar I suppose) and if they had done justice to not only Hal but also Parallax and the other lanterns then they might have pulled off their vision of a Star Wars type universe where there are so many memorable characters that you care about and fun, large scale battles. Instead half of the Lanterns get killed in a quick 10 second battle and the rest just hang out on OA while Hal goes it alone against Parallax and Hector. What could have been.... :dry:

My hope is that they if/when they make a new Green Lantern film they will do a better job of imagining this vision. I don't think they need to reboot the series for that however. I would rather not sit through yet another origin story but I know they don't put those in films for people that are already familiar with the characters. I honestly feel that they will continue to talk GL 2 or reboot but just never get around to it but I hope I'm wrong.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

At least WB are considering another GL movie, as others have said I think it would make more sense to make a sequel, Reynolds last movie was a hit so his stock has probably risen a bit more since GL.

Get some good well known actors alongside him for the sequel and make it great and the franchise will be salvagable.

[Bruce_Begins]

This is a manip, but it looks great, I would prefer that they get a real suit enhanced by some CGI (like Tron suit).

BTW, Andrew Garfield looks like Hal Jordan here. :hehe:


guys... the movie isn't just LIKE Green Lantern... it IS Green Lantern!!

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l577/Jon90art/green_spidey.png

[luca_frontino]

They should go with Emerald Twilight.
We can have a Hal vs Sinestro twice in the same movie, actually, if they put a first battle on Earth within Coast City ending with its destruction and Sinestro imprisoned in the battery of Oa. Hal abuses of his power to try to recreate his city and its inhabitants (including his love interest), but he's trialed for this and then he snaps and starts to take all the other rings by killing the members of the corps one by one: the first by accident and the others because the situation just slips through his hands and he just has to survive so he can bring back Coast City. After the entire corps has been decimated, the guardians decide to free Sinestro who wants to stop Jordan, then we get the rematch between them and Hal wins by snapping his neck. Then, Hal starts absorbing the battery power in its entirety, while the guardians decide to sacrifice their lives in order to create a super ring and entrust it to Ganthet, whom will give it to a brand new host, Kyle Rayner. Ganthet trains Kyle and then he sends him to Oa to stop Hal (who could still be absorbing the battery). Hal and Kyle argue on the morality of Hal's intentions and then fight, but Jordan is stronger, so Kyle decides to overload Oa's core and sacrifice himself to end Jordan's plan.
At the end we see Kyle waking up over the debris of the obliterated planet with no sign of Jordan and he returns to Earth.

[Bruce_Begins]

That story could be good for an animated DTV movie, but for a live action movie it is too long and complicated, besides it portrays Hal in a negative light, the last movie did not do him any favors either.

such a story will be difficult to market.


For the sequel, I think they should do away the "Green Lantern" and say Emerald Knight, but it may look as if they are trying to make it sound like the Dark Knight just to fool people.

Other title could be- Guardians of Oa

or maybe just- Lantern Corps.

[HighFivingMF]

They should go with Emerald Twilight.

No. That **** didn't even deserve to be a comic.

[Airwings]

The pic with Garfield looks like an inspiring take on GL. And the suit looks way more real than in the Campbell film. Even the white gloves are there. Can it be more perfect than that?

I really hope they make another, and re-cast the character, and present it as a reboot with just vague, very vague, hints that it could be a sequel as well, and have the film actually start where the other ended but at the same time work as a stand-alone adventure. Exactly like how it was done with Hulk and Incredible Hulk.

That means a different style. If we look at the Hulk adaptions: both were pretty dark, but while the first one was dramatic and serious, the second one more action-packed.
So the question we must ask is what we can take from the first film and use again in a reboot, while still change the way GL is approached. Any clues?

[DaveMoral]

WB can have their cake and eat it too. Soft reboot, reimagine how to realize the vision of GL on screen. Scrap the purely CGI suit, and give us a real costume enhanced by CGI... go with the New 52 design... and keep Reynolds but write Hal like Hal, not as if he's Van Wilder with a power ring. If they include more practical effects they can pull this thing off and come in under the budget of GL. And that means a practical costume as well as using animatronics for certain alien characters like the Guardians, Tomar-Re, and Kilowog. They can do them CGI for movement, action shots... but there's no reason an animatronic head can't be on set for Hal to talk to.

[HighFivingMF]

And the suit looks way more real than in the Campbell film.

Because that's a recolored fabric suit... The suit in the movie was a construct, which is what it looked like.

[HighFivingMF]

write Hal like Hal, not as if he's Van Wilder with a power ring.

You've either never read a Hal Jordan story or never seen Van Wilder. Other than the fact they both look like Ryan Reynolds, they're really nothing alike. Completely different styles of humor, completely different motivations, completely different performances. The only performances similar to Van Wilder that Reynolds has done are in Waiting and The Change-Up before they changed up.

Hal was written like Hal, Secret Origin Hal. In the sequel he would have obviously been more like he was at the end of the movie.

[Llama_Shepherd]

I wouldn't say he was too similar to Secret Origin Hal, because while he joked about occasionally, he was negligent, not immature, which was what Hal was in Green Lantern, and it made for a worse character, in my opinion.

[DaveMoral]

Secret Origin Hal is very different from film Hal. In SO he's a smart mouth with authority issues and a lot of buried anger. In the movie he's an arrogant ass that takes everything in his life for granted.

[HighFivingMF]

Secret Origin Hal is very different from film Hal. In SO he's a smart mouth with authority issues and a lot of buried anger. In the movie he's an arrogant ass that takes everything in his life for granted.

What parts in particular made you think that?

[Airwings]

HighFivingMF: I know the suit in the film is a construct. I just got impressed by how much better it look with an actual suit. :)

[Jordacar]

I kinda liked the novelty of the SFX suit because it made sense given the concept. But I think I'd prefer it to look more solid. Maybe just have the actor wear a real suit and in post they can flash up the green parts. Save a few bucks.

[itsyourmombro]

Idris elba for john stewart in jla!

[jrd550]

WB should give the franchise a second chance...

[MarvelKnight]

They should do it similar to TIH. Have sinestro and whatnot be the villain but reference the first film as little as possible.

[combocaz]

They should continues with green lantern 2, we saw the origin and now its time to move on. I dont want a reboot, continue with reynolds. sinestro vs GL.

[Airwings]

They should do it similar to TIH. Have sinestro and whatnot be the villain but reference the first film as little as possible.
I really hope they make another, and re-cast the character, and present it as a reboot with just vague, very vague, hints that it could be a sequel as well, and have the film actually start where the other ended but at the same time work as a stand-alone adventure. Exactly like how it was done with Hulk and Incredible Hulk.

That means a different style. If we look at the Hulk adaptions: both were pretty dark, but while the first one was dramatic and serious, the second one more action-packed.
So the question we must ask is what we can take from the first film and use again in a reboot, while still change the way GL is approached. Any clues?
Maybe Ridley Scott should direct Green Lantern. He has a thing for space adventures.

[shauner111]

A Ridley Scott directed Green Lantern film starring Idris Elba as John Stewart :)

[Zionite1]

Id watch that.Never really cared for Gl but Id watch it.Plus Idris would look great in Justice League

[Lord]

I think that the GL origin was too good to be left off in a reboot, Green Lantern: Secret Origin itself was a great story, say whatever you want but the film didn't really adapt that story at all. Only thing they used was Hammond, the themes and best parts of the story were left off.

[chamber-music]

Idris elba for john stewart in jla!
http://s16.postimage.org/5svwt6mn9/esq_10_elba_giants_0912_mdn.jpg

yeah

[KalMart]

They have yet to make a good GL 1 before even thinking about a GL 2. Hopefully they'll wait a long time until there's no shred of memory of the one they already tried.

[Hurm...]

They have yet to make a good GL 1 before even thinking about a GL 2. Hopefully they'll wait a long time until there's no shred of memory of the one they already tried.
They certainly will. Even if they release another GL 5 years from now, the GA will still remember the Ryan Reynolds abomination.

[Boosted]

only way to save GL is to make Idris Alba a badass john stewart in the JL movie.

[KalMart]

They certainly will. Even if they release another GL 5 years from now, the GA will still remember the Ryan Reynolds abomination.

I was thinking more 10-15 years, at the very least.

[Hurm...]

I was thinking more 10-15 years, at the very least.
Oh definitely! Even the Catwoman spin-off feels fresh to me, and that came out 7 years ago. 10 years minimum is needed.

[The Guard]

Even if they release another GL 5 years from now, the GA will still remember the Ryan Reynolds abomination.

No they won't...most of them didn't see it.

[Revenger]

Because the buzz was so bad. And rightly so.

[MrGreen]

If Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four got a sequel then Green Lantern deserves one. GL wasn't as bad as everyone says. I like it and want a sequel, not a reboot. Just change director and writer and thats it.

[The Guard]

Not only wasn't GREEN LANTERN as bad as everyone says, it wasn't bad, period. It was a solid movie, with some key issues.

I can understand people not liking it for various reasons, but to call it an "abomination" is pushing it. "Disappointing in some ways" is the most I'd say.

[wonderwoman5757]

Green Lantern was AWFUL. you need to see more movies if you think that had any semblance of being adequate.

[KalMart]

Horrible is probably most accurate. Not that there aren't other horrible movies in history, or even ones worse. But it still was, all on its own.

If Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four got a sequel then Green Lantern deserves one.

I really don't agree with this thinking at all....it's negative justification. It's not a good thing that Ghost Rider and FF got sequels, so why should use it as an excuse? How about they actually do the RIGHT and responsible thing and not waste more money and effort on it...have movies actually earn sequels on merit, not as salvage/desperation moves? Then maybe others will finally catch on and stop making terrible sequels to terrible movies...save all of us the embarrassment.

[Scar Predator]

Not only wasn't GREEN LANTERN as bad as everyone says, it wasn't bad, period. It was a solid movie, with some key issues.

I can understand people not liking it for various reasons, but to call it an "abomination" is pushing it. "Disappointing in some ways" is the most I'd say.

I with you. There were definitely elements that could have been better (Parallax's screwed-up story, not enough ring-slinging training, no flightless simulator), but I'm still trying to figure out what people expected?

We got the selection process with Abin Sur, the oath, Hal & Carol's spotty relationship, the GLC on Oa, and Hal going from a self-centered flyboy to a genuine hero. That's a pretty solid nod to GL's origin.

[Scar Predator]

Horrible is probably most accurate. Not that there aren't other horrible movies in history, or even ones worse. But it still was, all on its own.



I really don't agree with this thinking at all....it's negative justification. It's not a good thing that Ghost Rider and FF got sequels, so why should use it as an excuse? How about they actually do the RIGHT and responsible thing and not waste more money and effort on it...have movies actually earn sequels on merit, not as salvage/desperation moves? Then maybe others will finally catch on and stop making terrible sequels to terrible movies...save all of us the embarrassment.

The "right" thing is to keep making comic book adaptations. I've seen just about all of them, and there are only a couple (no more than 5 or 6) that are total wastes.

[KalMart]

The "right" thing is to keep making comic book adaptations.
They dont 'need to be made any more or less than any other movie genre or adaptation. If one's bad and unsuccessful, then it should be stopped...just like any other type of movie. At least movie on to another character, don't try to salvage what already failed.

I've seen just about all of them, and there are only a couple (no more than 5 or 6) that are total wastes.
Doesn't make them any more special than anything else. Obviously, there's a prerogative to capitalize on them, but know that it is the bottom line and if not for that, then creatively it's at the same level as anything else. If it's not a critical or financial success, then it had its chance.

Green Lantern didn't work at all from its first step, just like the Spirit didn't. So they should move on and try someone else.

[Lord]

While i agree with you there i also think that in some years from now they should try again, i think that Spawn for example should get a chance if teh comics ever become popular again.

[KalMart]

While i agree with you there i also think that in some years from now they should try again, i think that Spawn for example should get a chance if teh comics ever become popular again.

Many years later, sure they could give it another try...like in an completely different generation of movies. But at least spare this one by not bringing it back sooner.

I also don't think that movies should be seen as the ultimate 'prize' or what have you for comic characters and/or stories. Some things just might be better for comics and animation, and there should be no knock/shame in that if it doesn't make it to movies.

[Young Superman]

I hope Ryan Reynolds gets a second chance as Hal. Also this time I hope he wears the classic GL uniform, white gloves and all.


P.S I also want Mark Strong back as Sinestro.

[Boosted]

i remember turning to my friend right when the credits came up and saying "dude, you know me, i love the last indiana jones movie, but this was ********!"

[Scar Predator]

They dont 'need to be made any more or less than any other movie genre or adaptation. If one's bad and unsuccessful, then it should be stopped...just like any other type of movie. At least movie on to another character, don't try to salvage what already failed.


Green Lantern didn't work at all from its first step, just like the Spirit didn't. So they should move on and try someone else.

I couldn't disagree more. Green Lantern isn't just a crucial piece of the Justice League, but there is a nearly-infinite amount of stories to tell with the Green Lantern Corps. I don't think WB failed, they just didn't hit the Grand Slam that should have been easy to hit.

The Green Lantern Corps could be a successful space epic franchise if the right pieces are put in place. The Blu Ray/ DVD sales alone should prove that the interest in the character(s) is there, but WB should rethink the budget and direction of future GL projects.

But don't stop. No no no, don't stop.

[DrCosmic]

Not only wasn't GREEN LANTERN as bad as everyone says, it wasn't bad, period. It was a solid movie, with some key issues.

I can understand people not liking it for various reasons, but to call it an "abomination" is pushing it. "Disappointing in some ways" is the most I'd say.

I actually agree that Green Lantern is not as bad as everyone says, but let's look at the ways in which it was disappointing:

Disappointing Special Effects (including when he's just standing around!)
Disappointing Action
Disappointing Main Character development
Disappointing Villains
Disappointing CGI set design
Disappointing Climax

So... what do we have, then? We don't have a "solid" movie. We have a possibly okay, but most likely bad movie. When I take all those disappointments and put them up against fan expectations (who absurdly think translating a CGI-heavy nigh omnipotent superhero is "easy.") then I can see why they give it such a bad rap.

I'd love to see "Emerald Guardian" or something with John Stewart as the lead. That would pretty much make my year.

[KalMart]

I couldn't disagree more. Green Lantern isn't just a crucial piece of the Justice League, but there is a nearly-infinite amount of stories to tell with the Green Lantern Corps. I don't think WB failed, they just didn't hit the Grand Slam that should have been easy to hit.
Doesn't matter. If it was a crappy movie...it's at best a crappy movie. It doesn't get extra babysitting because it's a comic movie.

The Green Lantern Corps could be a successful space epic franchise if the right pieces are put in place. The Blu Ray/ DVD sales alone should prove that the interest in the character(s) is there, but WB should rethink the budget and direction of future GL projects.

But don't stop. No no no, don't stop.
Yes they should absolutely, positively not continue that POS in any form....like they should have not done more Ghost Riders or Punishers...it'd be nice to see the responsible thing done and cut it off. Stop at least for a while and let the mess that was GL just fade as completely from memory as possible first, then give it a try again in the next generation..at least a decade or so after.

[Scar Predator]

Doesn't matter. If it was a crappy movie...it's at best a crappy movie. It doesn't get extra babysitting because it's a comic movie.


Yes they should absolutely, positively not continue that POS in any form....like they should have not done more Ghost Riders or Punishers...it'd be nice to see the responsible thing done and cut it off.
.

Disagree on all points. I'll continue to watch GR, Punisher, and Fantastic Four sequels too. Hollywood makes continual sequels to mindless slasher flicks, endless horny teen movies, generic romantic comedies, and man-with-gun-goes-for revenge on bad guys flicks. Not everything is meant to be a classic, but sometimes something great comes together, ala Nolan's Batman.

That can't be done if they stop trying.

[KalMart]

Disagree on all points. I'll continue to watch GR, Punisher, and Fantastic Four sequels too. Hollywood makes continual sequels to mindless slasher flicks, endless horny teen movies, generic romantic comedies, and man-with-gun-goes-for revenge on bad guys flicks. Not everything is meant to be a classic, but sometimes something great comes together, ala Nolan's Batman.

That can't be done if they stop trying.

Problem is that this is not just about comic fans...it's more than that and what applies to all movies have to apply here in this case. It's really an insult to film to send even more money and time to salvage an already expensive flop. You're still justifying your needs with the wrongs bringing up other bad starts and sequels. They won't stop trying, but they need to go with what works from the outset then drop what doesn't at least for a long while. Put the time and resources they spend trying to makeup for a horrible last film towards a different new character and see if that works. GL failed horribly out of the gate...it needs to take a long break away from movies while they try others. Then much later on, you could introduce a new one in the GL or as a reboot if it looks good. But for now, hopefully they'll do the right thing and let this dead horse stay buried.

New, completely rebooted GL far down the line if at all, period. The Reynolds one....one and done history and ancient history hopefully.

[HighFivingMF]

I've lent the movie to a few people since it's been out. The people never bothered with it in theaters but told me they thought it was pretty good when they returned it. The worst thing was "Eh. I had mixed feelings but some of it was cool."

[KalMart]

I've lent the movie to a few people since it's been out. The people never bothered with it in theaters but told me they thought it was pretty good when they returned it. The worst thing was "Eh. I had mixed feelings but some of it was cool."

And that's e best that GL will be...a disc lend-out that isn't paid for and was 'okay, I guess'. It should consider itself lucky to be even that, considering the movie it was. :woot:

Seriously...they should just try again much later with a new version (and hopefully it will be good), but they need to sit this one out after that one.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

It was meh. Some very good things (the atmosphere of the abin sur scenes in space was suspenceful and looked cool) and some very bad things (script - dialogue - earth characters)

[Revenger]

I actually agree that Green Lantern is not as bad as everyone says, but let's look at the ways in which it was disappointing:

Disappointing Special Effects (including when he's just standing around!)
Disappointing Action
Disappointing Main Character development
Disappointing Villains
Disappointing CGI set design
Disappointing Climax

So... what do we have, then? We don't have a "solid" movie. We have a possibly okay, but most likely bad movie. When I take all those disappointments and put them up against fan expectations (who absurdly think translating a CGI-heavy nigh omnipotent superhero is "easy.") then I can see why they give it such a bad rap.

I'd love to see "Emerald Guardian" or something with John Stewart as the lead. That would pretty much make my year.

Yeah. Pretty much everything with GL missed the mark. Add disappointing cast to that too. Ryan and Blake just didn't work.

[HighFivingMF]

And that's e best that GL will be...a disc lend-out that isn't paid for and was 'okay, I guess'. It should consider itself lucky to be even that, considering the movie it was. :woot:


Well, one only one of the four thought it was just OK. Similar thing happened with Batman Begins which I lent out 6 times leading up to Dark Knight and at least 5 more afterward. :oldrazz:

The audience is building. As long as it's well received by the critics and people that see it first I think the sequel could do well. Outside of the comic fans that go to extremes with everything, not that many people despise it. So we'll see. I hope it gets another chance, I loved it and would be first in line. But I'm not going to try and fool anyone into thinking I won't be first in line if a reboot is made instead.

[MrGreen]

I actually agree that Green Lantern is not as bad as everyone says, but let's look at the ways in which it was disappointing:

Disappointing Special Effects (including when he's just standing around!)
Disappointing Action
Disappointing Main Character development
Disappointing Villains
Disappointing CGI set design
Disappointing Climax

So... what do we have, then? We don't have a "solid" movie. We have a possibly okay, but most likely bad movie. When I take all those disappointments and put them up against fan expectations (who absurdly think translating a CGI-heavy nigh omnipotent superhero is "easy.") then I can see why they give it such a bad rap.

I'd love to see "Emerald Guardian" or something with John Stewart as the lead. That would pretty much make my year.

The Special Effects were good, the only time it looked weird is when Hal is flying with Tomar-Re
The CGI set design was great, I loved Oa.

I think that the rest of the complaints goes to the script. It was a mess from a lot of writers.


Problem is that this is not just about comic fans...it's more than that and what applies to all movies have to apply here in this case. It's really an insult to film to send even more money and time to salvage an already expensive flop. You're still justifying your needs with the wrongs bringing up other bad starts and sequels. They won't stop trying, but they need to go with what works from the outset then drop what doesn't at least for a long while. Put the time and resources they spend trying to makeup for a horrible last film towards a different new character and see if that works. GL failed horribly out of the gate...it needs to take a long break away from movies while they try others. Then much later on, you could introduce a new one in the GL or as a reboot if it looks good. But for now, hopefully they'll do the right thing and let this dead horse stay buried.

New, completely rebooted GL far down the line if at all, period. The Reynolds one....one and done history and ancient history hopefully.

If they had stopped after the first Star Trek movie we wouldnt have had the Wrath of Khan.
All they need to do is a JLA movie with Reynolds as Hal and then do another GL movie with a different writer and director.
Thats it.

I don't get why all the hate to this movie. It wasn't the best but definitely wasn't the worst movie out there as some people says.
GL is a tough concept to put on screen and IMO they did it well. Most people complain about character development and some of the CGI but I haven't heard a single thing about the concept or idea of the GL Corps. I mean, not once have I heard someone say "that is silly" or something like that and if you can make a movie about a dude with a ring that can make everything without making it cheesy or silly then you've done a good job. Now do a sequel without the introduction and make it 100% space action flick.

[KalMart]

If they had stopped after the first Star Trek movie we wouldnt have had the Wrath of Khan.
All they need to do is a JLA movie with Reynolds as Hal and then do another GL movie with a different writer and director.
Thats it.

Star Trek had already established a longer history of TV, and there wasn't as much variety of other sci-fi films for the studio to try in its place. Not so with comic properties and such today. Lot more untapped material to turn to than trying to hang on to something already dead.

No...no more Reynolds and no GL for a long while. Let them establish others, reboot Batman and establish a whole separate JL-universe that Gl can maybe show up in if they get to a JL movie down the road. Introduce a new GL in that movie and if it's successful they can think about spinning off with him afterwards. Not this Ryan one. And he should stay as far away from it as possible for the better of his career now. It'd be like Clooney trying another Batman.

Well, one only one of the four thought it was just OK. Similar thing happened with Batman Begins which I lent out 6 times leading up to Dark Knight and at least 5 more afterward. :oldrazz:

The audience is building. As long as it's well received by the critics and people that see it first I think the sequel could do well. Outside of the comic fans that go to extremes with everything, not that many people despise it. So we'll see. I hope it gets another chance, I loved it and would be first in line. But I'm not going to try and fool anyone into thinking I won't be first in line if a reboot is made instead.
But GL wasn't though...it was one of the most panned movies in recent history...and rightly so by the reaction of most who saw it. I just think it would be better protocol for WB to acknowledge that they should start from scratch again later than trying to salvage such spoiled goods. It doesn't deserve a 'second chance' any more than any other flopped and bad movie would. And just because others try to do it don't mean you have to follow them off a cliff. They have plenty of other characters to choose from who haven't already faltered miserably, and they might find the next young-novel series to pick up the slack left by Potter. If they want to public to 'forgive' the for GL, the best thing to do is not to bring it up or continue it anymore for a long while. That goes beyond someone's comic fandom/pride (which is understandable), it's just wiser film-business in today's atmosphere.

[Revenger]

Yeah it would be a really bad business move to keep Ryan's GL going. The movie tanked.

Even Star Trek The Motion Picture made it's production budget back. That's why it got Wrath of Khan.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek.htm

[Scar Predator]

The Special Effects were good, the only time it looked weird is when Hal is flying with Tomar-Re
The CGI set design was great, I loved Oa.
Now do a sequel without the introduction and make it 100% space action flick.

Oh, man, the scene when Hal arrived on Oa was just amazing. And I couldn't agree more about keeping the plot of the sequel in space. I drool at the prospect of seeing an all-out war between the GLC and the Sinestro Corps. :wow:

[MrGreen]

Oh, man, the scene when Hal arrived on Oa was just amazing. And I couldn't agree more about keeping the plot of the sequel in space. I drool at the prospect of seeing an all-out war between the GLC and the Sinestro Corps. :wow:

The whole training montage was great IMO. Everything on Oa looked great. I wasnt totally sold on the cg suit when they announced it but it looked amazing IMO.
I insist that they just need another director and writer. They've already established the concept (witch in itself is a tough concept to sell) just do a sequel with an all-out war between GL and Sinestro corps.

[Revenger]

To me it looked like a poor PS2 game. Way too fake and animated. I would have preferred physical sets and an actual suit. The cartoon suit just looked so odd in live action.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--lakYTbLUNg/Tf1CvxIgfkI/AAAAAAAAB_c/fnvRRmjGlRI/s1600/green-lantern-review-hal-jordan-sub-plot.png

[KalMart]

Hopefully, it's at least a good learning experience for them...albeit a costly one...so that they'll avoid a lot of the same mistakes on a reboot if at all down the road a ways.

[MrGreen]

To me it looked like a poor PS2 game. Way too fake and animated. I would have preferred physical sets and an actual suit. The cartoon suit just looked so odd in live action.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--lakYTbLUNg/Tf1CvxIgfkI/AAAAAAAAB_c/fnvRRmjGlRI/s1600/green-lantern-review-hal-jordan-sub-plot.png

Maybe a combination of both. A physical suit with cg elements like the light and stuff so it doesnt blow the budget

[DarkSovereignty]

It astounds me how people can say the cg was "amazing," Green Lantern had to be the cheapest looking 250 million dollar movie I've ever seen, the costume looked like a damn cartoon, as did Oa. the beginning scenes with Paralax being released looked like a video game.

[Scar Predator]

The whole training montage was great IMO. Everything on Oa looked great. I wasnt totally sold on the cg suit when they announced it but it looked amazing IMO.
I insist that they just need another director and writer. They've already established the concept (witch in itself is a tough concept to sell) just do a sequel with an all-out war between GL and Sinestro corps.

Yes, I liked the suit too. The constant light moving through it reminded us that it was made of energy, not just spandex. My initial fears were the opposite of yours. I was more concerned that GL would have a cheap, Halloween costume look like the old Superman films. That certainly wasn't the case.

[shauner111]

The first half wasnt that bad at all, the last half was some of the worst **** ive ever seen in my life.

The CG was by far the worst ive seen in a lonnnnnnng time.

[Lord]

I didn't hear anybody saying good things about the special effects, my friends weren't interested because they didn't like them. The effects of the constructions made by the rings however weren't that bad, that had to be CGI and it was as i would imagine glowing green contrsuctions would be like.

[HighFivingMF]

But GL wasn't though...

I know. I was talking about the sequel.

And one of the most panned movies in recent history? It was panned, but nothing close to most panned. I mean, 20% on RT and 6.0 on IMDb is still better than A LOT of movies.

[KalMart]

I know. I was talking about the sequel.

And again, it needs a good/successful first movie before it can or should get a sequel. That hasn't happened yet.

And one of the most panned movies in recent history? It was panned, but nothing close to most panned. I mean, 20% on RT and 6.0 on IMDb is still better than A LOT of movies.
And assault & battery and attempted murder is a lesser charge than mass murder...it's still not someone you'd want watching your kids or the like. Its merits and 'sequelability'...like any other movie...shouldn't be based on how less bad it was than some of the biblically bad ones. It should start well in order to keep going...reasons for continuing, not excuses for it. WB has plenty of other characters to try in a time where superheroes are still popular. They shouldn't be shackled to this lemon.

[The Guard]

D'oh.

[The Guard]

Hmm...I'd have thought the Hyperbole Corps would have been out in full force. I'm pleasantly surprised.

I actually agree that Green Lantern is not as bad as everyone says, but let's look at the ways in which it was disappointing:

Disappointing Special Effects (including when he's just standing around!)

I disagree. I think people were disappointed with some tonal elements of the effects/film, but the effects themselves were pretty good.

Disappointing Action

How so? Multiple sequences of training and combat, multiple usages of lantern power...the action tended to have stakes...what was so bad about it?

Disappointing Main Character development

Highly disagree. Hal has a clear, fairly well developed arc in the film.

Disappointing Villains

This I will agree with. This is the film's biggest issue, the failure to produce compelling villains.

Disappointing CGI set design

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean Oa?Can you elaborate?

Disappointing Climax

Why?

When I take all those disappointments and put them up against fan expectations (who absurdly think translating a CGI-heavy nigh omnipotent superhero is "easy.") then I can see why they give it such a bad rap.

I can see how people could be disappointed in some ways...or how they could have wished for more, in terms of things like The Corps, etc. But fan expectations not being met doesn't mean the film was bad.

[Revenger]

Yup. General audience expectations and critical expectations are key, and GL failed in those areas too.

[Big Lob]

I always thought the movie was bad because Hal is a bad character. He has no great appeal to the wide movie going adudience. He's just some a-hole who got a decoder ring. That's not a compelling story.

[DrCosmic]

Hmm...I'd have thought the Hyperbole Corps would have been out in full force. I'm pleasantly surprised.

To be fair, the GL Oath is "Brightest day blackest night" so Hyperbole comes with the territory. :o

I disagree. I think people were disappointed with some tonal elements of the effects/film, but the effects themselves were pretty good.

How so? Multiple sequences of training and combat, multiple usages of lantern power...the action tended to have stakes...what was so bad about it?

Highly disagree. Hal has a clear, fairly well developed arc in the film.

This I will agree with. This is the film's biggest issue, the failure to produce compelling villains.

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean Oa?Can you elaborate?

Why?

I can see how people could be disappointed in some ways...or how they could have wished for more, in terms of things like The Corps, etc. But fan expectations not being met doesn't mean the film was bad.

I was talking about general expectations for a good movie, not fan expectations for GL. The Climax was disappointing because it didn't build on the film very well (why Parallax was going to Earth, Hammond's underwhelming defeat and execution for failure to do... what, exactly?) so it lacked the ability to satisfy for the film. I was indeed referring to Oa's unimpressiveness. When I saw Asgard that summer I was like "Whoa!" When I saw Oa that summer I was like "What the...?"

Hal's arc may be touched on in the film, but it's not compelling. We are never given much chance or reason to like him, so it's difficult to identify with his inability to overcome fear... which, despite Johns' thought bubble illogical that works in comics, doesn't actually vibe with someone who flies jets for a living. So, not only is the arc not relatable, it's not compelling, leaving the whole film disappointing for the lack of identification with its lead.

What disappointed me about the action was the lack of contrast and struggle. He either pwned or got pwned, there wasn't much in terms of back and forth. I liked that they limited him to one construct at a time, but beyond that, it was very one sided to me.

But no, many, many people were disappointed with the special effects, it's the number one thing people rant about, and it's no surprise, when more than 70% of the film is a special effects shot, you need to account for that somehow. GL didn't, afaik, and it wound up with very unimpressive and sometimes bad effects. They didn't bother me personally much except a couple scenes, but most people were grossly disappointed in the CGI, which the movie basically hung on.

GL was not a misunderstood film, it's just not very good. It can be defended, like Catwoman, and has more defenders, but I don't think it's because the movie is much better, I just think more people like Green Lantern than Catwoman and Ryan Reynolds than Halle Berry.

[Lord]

I actually think that Hal Jordan can be a relatable and likeable character, however the movie didn't show much of that, Secret Origin was by far a better story and the arc there could have worked very well on film, he's somebody that during his entire life wasn't allowed to do what he wants, he didn't allow fear to control him and stop him from doing what he wanted.

In the film he was an idiot that put his life in danger while having people that actually cared for him, he made collegues get fired and never had a second thought about it, changes in the movie that could have actually been interesting like Hammond being a mirror oposite of Hal weren't well done and for them 3 being childhood friends they seemed to have some serious age diferences.

Secret Origin serves a good example to how the story should have been if they went for a 50s conspiracy theories theme for the story, while Green Lantern: First Flight is how it should have been if they went for a space opera vibe, the movie didn't know which one to be and failed miserably. I think Hal Jordan was and still is the best way to go, which is also one of the reasons why he was ressurrected.

[DrCosmic]

Hal can be interesting, and the movie mishandled him, I agree with that. I don't think that he's still the best way to go for a film, since he's been 'tarnished' and there are two other untarnished lead GLs with just as much potential.

[The Guard]

I was talking about general expectations for a good movie, not fan expectations for GL. The Climax was disappointing because it didn't build on the film very well (why Parallax was going to Earth, Hammond's underwhelming defeat and execution for failure to do... what, exactly?) so it lacked the ability to satisfy for the film. I was indeed referring to Oa's unimpressiveness. When I saw Asgard that summer I was like "Whoa!" When I saw Oa that summer I was like "What the...?"

I don’t understand that at all, as I feel like many of the outdoor sequences on Oa are comparable to what happens in Asgard in terms of locale, but…okay.

As far as the climax not building on the film very well…the reason Parallax is going to Earth is pretty clear…Parallax destroys planets, and is drawn there by Hammond. The villains aren't compelling or well developed. But to say their reasoning isn't there, or that the movie doesn't build to something, I can't agree with that.

As for Hammond, his entire arc relies on seduction to the power of fear, and his use of it to gain power. And then he faces down a will-based superhero and can’t muster the willpower to make the ring work, and is ultimately destroyed by fear. If anything, Hammond’s defeat at Hal’s hands is one of the more satisfying elements of the film, both as an adaption of the comics and as a film, because its one of the few times it steps outside cliche and a more generic approach.

Hal's arc may be touched on in the film, but it's not compelling. We are never given much chance or reason to like him, so it's difficult to identify with his inability to overcome fear... which, despite Johns' thought bubble illogical that works in comics, doesn't actually vibe with someone who flies jets for a living. So, not only is the arc not relatable, it's not compelling, leaving the whole film disappointing for the lack of identification with its lead.

I would agree with that, to a point. He’s not a hugely likeable character through much of the film, though there are obvious points in the movie where he's shown to be a redeemable character and a good guy. He’s not really supposed to be hugely likeable, though, until he stops feeling sorry for himself and overcomes his fear. I guess the filmmakers shouldn't have tried to go with a lofty concept like "bettering yourself" for a superhero movie.

What disappointed me about the action was the lack of contrast and struggle. He either pwned or got pwned, there wasn't much in terms of back and forth. I liked that they limited him to one construct at a time, but beyond that, it
was very one sided to me.

That's not neccessarily true. There's every bit as much battle and struggle as most superhero films have. Part of the "ownage" is because he’s a rookie ringwielder. He’s learning to use the ring, to muster the willpower, and to overcome fear. There were very deliberate choices made by filmmakers to show him failing, so that they should show him growing as a hero, and as a character.

So he basically gets owned at every step he’s truly tested because he’s not ready yet, which is kind of the whole point.

It’s not really any different than Batman originally getting his ass handed to him by The Scarecrow because he’s not quite ready to face him in BEGINS, or any number of superhero film encounters where the hero doesn't triumph right away.

What about the fight sequence between he and Hammond in the lab? There’s a very clear battle/struggle of emotions/powers going on there. There's a shifting of momentum between he and Hammond.

What about the sequence between Green Lantern and Parallax at the end of the film? There’s a pretty clear struggle between he and Parallax, a very clear thematic and visual contest of fear VS will. It’s one of the focal points of the climax.

Does that get muddled a little because they’re shooting colored light at each other? Yes, but it is still very much there.

But no, many, many people were disappointed with the special effects, it's the number one thing people rant about, and it's no surprise, when more than 70% of the film is a special effects shot, you need to account for that somehow. GL didn't, afaik, and it wound up with very unimpressive and sometimes bad effects.

Yes, but where? Where are these bad effects? The closest thing to subpar effects is the opening pre-title sequence.

I know some people rant about the effects, but the creature work was more or less flawless, the environments were fantastic. I can’t consider a somewhat heightened, cartoony look in relation to the suit and Hal's powers to be a bad one when that’s what they went for, but that seems to be what people pick on when discussing the quality of the effects.

It'd be one thing to discuss the approach, or the tone, or the visual choices themselves. But the quality of the effects themselves was pretty darn good.

They didn't bother me personally much except a couple scenes, but most people were grossly disappointed in the CGI

I wouldn’t begin to say “most”.

[shauner111]

Hal Jordan is cool and has personality, John Stewart is awesome too but a lot of people dont like how serious he is. I dont see a problem with it. I think they can both work in a JL just fine.

To be honest i think Hal Jordan as Green Lantern on his own is sort-of doomed. If i was WB i would re-cast Hal for JL. and keep him exclusive to that throughout the decade.

Once the 2020's hit and the shared universe is over. You bring in John Stewart as the Green Lantern and do solo movies with him. At the end of a second JUstice League something can happen to Hal and he passes the torch.

[Boosted]

Hal is supposed to be a Han Solo/Indiana Jones character. Didn't see that on screen at all.

[KalMart]

Turned out to be more like Jar-Jar....in the Phantom Menace of superhero movies.

[Scar Predator]

I always thought the movie was bad because Hal is a bad character. He has no great appeal to the wide movie going adudience. He's just some a-hole who got a decoder ring. That's not a compelling story.

You obviously haven't read much Green Lantern. The titular characters (except for Alan Scott, who's ring isn't connected to Oa) are all selected by the technology in their rings (as are other Corps of light members) for certain personality traits. The ring itself amplifies and focuses those characteristics.

[66 Face]

Hal is supposed to be a Han Solo/Indiana Jones character. Didn't see that on screen at all.Thats right. That wasn't Hal on screen. Just Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds again. As soon as Reynolds was cast I knew just what kind of movie we were going to get.

Hal is supposed to be a leader and kind of a bad ass. We got Spiderman with that goofy Marvel tone.

I was hoping for something more along the lines of a space version of Raiders of the Lost Arc. Plenty of room for fun and action but it takes itself seriously.

[Excelsior.]

Turned out to be more like Jar-Jar....in the Phantom Menace of superhero movies.
Hey. He didn't step on no poo.

[kewlmatto]

I think if Warner Bros were to attempt reviving Green Lantern (which I don't think they're interested in but anyways), they should take inspiration from what Marvel's done with Hulk.

Keep Ryan Reynolds or recast Hal Jordan, change the costume, make sure he has a very good role to play in Justice League - to the point where he is a standout of the film, like Hulk was in Avengers.

At this stage I see that as the only way we'll see another solo Green Lantern film in the future.

Thing is, they don't have to reboot at all. They just need to not directly reference the movie, but let people choose to see it as part of a series if they want to. In some ways (with the exception of the origin), Hulk and The Incredible Hulk can be read this way.

[HighFivingMF]

Thats right. That wasn't Hal on screen. Just Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds again. As soon as Reynolds was cast I knew just what kind of movie we were going to get.

Hal is supposed to be a leader and kind of a bad ass. We got Spiderman with that goofy Marvel tone.

I was hoping for something more along the lines of a space version of Raiders of the Lost Arc. Plenty of room for fun and action but it takes itself seriously.

No. You got origin Hal. The badass leader space cop stuff comes after he becomes a badass leader space cop.

[Lord]

I think if Warner Bros were to attempt reviving Green Lantern (which I don't think they're interested in but anyways), they should take inspiration from what Marvel's done with Hulk.

Keep Ryan Reynolds or recast Hal Jordan, change the costume, make sure he has a very good role to play in Justice League - to the point where he is a standout of the film, like Hulk was in Avengers.

At this stage I see that as the only way we'll see another solo Green Lantern film in the future.

Thing is, they don't have to reboot at all. They just need to not directly reference the movie, but let people choose to see it as part of a series if they want to. In some ways (with the exception of the origin), Hulk and The Incredible Hulk can be read this way.
You want him to stand out? Then show him punching Batman :woot:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12780/670376-green_lantern___rebirth_06__2005___team_dcp__pg03_ 04_super.jpg

[KalMart]

Hey. He didn't step on no poo.

No...that was the director and writer's gig. :oldrazz:

[enterthemadness]

Green Lantern to me is a good b movie, but I like the action scenes and CGI.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm

Better than other flops..battleship and john carter couldn't hit 100 domestic.

[kewlmatto]

You want him to stand out? Then show him punching Batman :woot:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12780/670376-green_lantern___rebirth_06__2005___team_dcp__pg03_ 04_super.jpg

:woot: Yep, if built up the right way, this could be an awesome scene. If the Justice League movie had Tower of Babel as its basic plot it would work well.

[KalMart]

Green Lantern to me is a good b movie, but I like the action scenes and CGI.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm

Better than other flops..battleship and john carter couldn't hit 100 domestic.

GL...one of the less-bad of the flops. :up:

[Lord]

John Carter was waaaaay better than Green Lantern, i didn't watch Battleship but i doubt it had worse effects

[The Guard]

Hal is supposed to be a Han Solo/Indiana Jones character.

What does that even mean?

No. You got origin Hal. The badass leader space cop stuff comes after he becomes a badass leader space cop.

This. And it was clearly in the film.

Some people act like Green Lantern was going around wisecracking like Spider-Man the whole film, when the film several times quite clearly shows Hal, in moments of true pressure and tension, to be a very serious, stoic presence. That's also what it shows Green Lantern to be, after he accepts his power.

[enterthemadness]

John Carter was waaaaay better than Green Lantern, i didn't watch Battleship but i doubt it had worse effects


Cater was boring on planet Mars...I said it. Watchable..but just okay with boring parts. :o saw it at Sneak Preview.

[The Guard]

Yep, if built up the right way, this could be an awesome scene. If the Justice League movie had Tower of Babel as its basic plot it would work well.

I assume you don't know, or you would have mentioned it...but Warner Brothers' abandoned JLA project JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL did, combining Tower of Babel and elements of the OMAC storyline.

[Project862006]

What does that even mean?



This. And it was clearly in the film.

Some people act like Green Lantern was going around wisecracking like Spider-Man the whole film, when the film several times quite clearly shows Hal, in moments of true pressure and tension, to be a very serious, stoic presence. That's also what it shows Green Lantern to be, after he accepts his power.

relatable everyman character who is a leader of men i think

[Scar Predator]

What does that even mean?



This. And it was clearly in the film.

Some people act like Green Lantern was going around wisecracking like Spider-Man the whole film, when the film several times quite clearly shows Hal, in moments of true pressure and tension, to be a very serious, stoic presence. That's also what it shows Green Lantern to be, after he accepts his power.


Indeed. The scene where Hal met Abin Sur sticks out in my mind as a showcase for Reynolds' range as an actor. A lot of actors with a goofy element to their persona can't turn it off and command an audience, but Reynolds can and did. Of all the things that can be criticized in GL, I don't think Reynolds' work was one of them. You could tell he really liked being Hal Jordan.

[DaveMoral]

I say do a sequel, keep Reynolds, keep Strong, heck keep Lively change the suit to drop the budget down.

Here's what you do with the suit to keep a similar aesthetic to the first film while not going totally CGI. Prosthetic suit. Ala Prometheus and The Flash tv show. Enhanced with CGI.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfk8ccSPVG1qfxwtoo1_500.jpg

[tekken]

Yeah I was thinking that too - prosthetic suit with CGI enhancements. Whatever they decide to do, I hope they use a physical mask for the next one. The cgi mask just looked like a portion of his face was painted green.

[KalMart]

Hopefully they'll get it right for the reboot.

[Karelia]

Have that moment of Hal punching Batman in a Justice League movie could be a pretty "AWWWWYEAH" type of a scene. :D

[The Guard]

Pretty sure I'd rather see Batman punch out Green Lantern.

"ONE PUNCH! ONE PUNCH!"

[DrCosmic]

Pretty sure I'd rather see Batman punch out Green Lantern.

"ONE PUNCH! ONE PUNCH!"

Yeah, an uber guy punching out a non-powered guy is not 'awww-yeah' without the personal context that made Hal punching Bats satisfying. Nevermind that it was not at all satisfying to the Batman fans, which, in film/the general audience, vastly, VASTLY outnumber GL fans.

[LibidoLoca]

I say do a sequel, keep Reynolds, keep Strong, heck keep Lively change the suit to drop the budget down.

Here's what you do with the suit to keep a similar aesthetic to the first film while not going totally CGI. Prosthetic suit. Ala Prometheus and The Flash tv show. Enhanced with CGI.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg

So that's what Lord Voldemort looks like with a nose. :o

[Scar Predator]

Yeah, an uber guy punching out a non-powered guy is not 'awww-yeah' without the personal context that made Hal punching Bats satisfying. Nevermind that it was not at all satisfying to the Batman fans, which, in film/the general audience, vastly, VASTLY outnumber GL fans.

It would be if Hal wasn't lit up with emerald energy. If it came off as Hal vs. Bruce, a moment like that would be important for GL. Let's face it, most of the JLA characters have an uphill battle in being viewed as equals to Superman and Batman by the non-comic book reading audiences.

[Nitrobot]

I say do a sequel, keep Reynolds, keep Strong, heck keep Lively change the suit to drop the budget down.

Here's what you do with the suit to keep a similar aesthetic to the first film while not going totally CGI. Prosthetic suit. Ala Prometheus and The Flash tv show. Enhanced with CGI.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfk8ccSPVG1qfxwtoo1_500.jpg

KEEP the suits and the characters too:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4cQ8dGocwNM/T_0efKO-eZI/AAAAAAAAAFU/zWGrEH4KySk/s1600/green+lanter+mid+section+detail011copy+copy.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jau_l6Em_OY/T_0ehQ3caqI/AAAAAAAAAFc/G7MwQFvgfgA/s1600/sinestro+floating+06acopy+copy.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EsoT9Fg01nE/T_0ekcYSJcI/AAAAAAAAAFg/FYFStujJUNo/s1600/tomar+rey+designs01.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ypeedajbwzg/T_0edVbzaYI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/pubZgQVqkRU/s1600/abin-sur+body09a+green+suit+final+copy.jpg

[MrGreen]

Reynolds' Hal was great. The part where Sinestro pushes him and he says "He he... Don't do that" was great. To me THAT was Hal.
He was reckless as he should be. He goes without a plan as shown against Parallax.

The effects were great. The suit looks alien, Oa is alive, the constructs look real.

[Metropolis_Man]

I think Green Lantern definitely deserves another chance on the big screen. This movie had all the elements that form up the universe in the comics, but it was just executed poorly. I think with a different director and a length that stretches out to a little over 2 hrs, things would've been much better. I hope they do redeem him in Justice League so we die hard fans of the character get more of what should be an almost infinite movie franchise. This and X-Men are basically limitless when it comes to stories and characters that could carry a franchise for decades.

[Eklypze]

Personally, I think the actors and characters were the best things about the movie. Strong had an awesome presence as Sinestro but the problem was all in the writing and pacing of the film. And honestly, I loved the cgi suit. That's what the GL uniforms are, imagined uniforms. I loved the way the energy flowed through the costume when he was exerting his willpower. The bad thing about the movie is just the writing and overall set designs. Hector Hammond, while an awesome performance wasn't needed AT ALL. One thing that stands out massively any time I've watched the movie is how the hell did Hal just know where to pop up to fight Hammond after he's gone to see Carol? It's so weird how he swoops in out of no where with no explanation as to how he knew to go there. Still though, as bad as this movie was, it was no Elektra or Jonah Hex

[The Guard]

One thing that stands out massively any time I've watched the movie is how the hell did Hal just know where to pop up to fight Hammond after he's gone to see Carol? It's so weird how he swoops in out of no where with no explanation as to how he knew to go there.

The movie very clearly states that Hal's ring will alert him to danger. Hal's ring glows and pulses during the sequence right before he confronts Hammond. Its alerting him to the danger.

What the heck was wrong with the set designs?

[HighFivingMF]

One thing that stands out massively any time I've watched the movie is how the hell did Hal just know where to pop up to fight Hammond after he's gone to see Carol? It's so weird how he swoops in out of no where with no explanation as to how he knew to go there.

I thought that was pretty obvious. The ring tells him where the threat is. You don't think it blinks to tell him "hey, somewhere in this gigantic sector there's a bad thing. Figure it out."

[Eklypze]

This. GL and Xmen both are like the Star Wars EU of the comics world. There are almost just limitless stories within the books. Definitely my two favorite fictional universes aside from Batman's world.

Also, as for the Hal/Bruce relationship I have to say, as an avid Batman fan since I could speak I absolutely LOVE the dynamics between Hal and Bruce. It's just so deep and I love the way that Bruce is made out to be an ******* even when Hal is the one that is massively unpredictable by Earth standards. That's the thing though, Hal has to think of things on a much larger scale than Batman usually does. Plus, the whole man without fear vs man who embodies it to strike fear into criminals. I just LOVE the way they have portrayed that. If Hal knocked out Bats in a JLA movie I could die a happy man



I think Green Lantern definitely deserves another chance on the big screen. This movie had all the elements that form up the universe in the comics, but it was just executed poorly. I think with a different director and a length that stretches out to a little over 2 hrs, things would've been much better. I hope they do redeem him in Justice League so we die hard fans of the character get more of what should be an almost infinite movie franchise. This and X-Men are basically limitless when it comes to stories and characters that could carry a franchise for decades.

[DaveMoral]

KEEP the suits and the characters too:

I'm not sure you're understanding why I suggested what I suggested. The CGI costumes sucked up TONS of budget. The script was bad, but it wasn't helped by the budget being gobbled up by CGI costuming that could have been realized in a similar, but practical, fashion. Which is why I suggested the posthetic suits. They can sculpt them to look like the CGI suit and then enhance it when necessary.

[The Guard]

Where's the proof of that? People keep saying that, and it seems somewhat likely, but how do we actually know that?

[DrCosmic]

The movie very clearly states that Hal's ring will alert him to danger. Hal's ring glows and pulses during the sequence right before he confronts Hammond. Its alerting him to the danger.

What the heck was wrong with the set designs?

No, it did not do so very clearly, that's why many people missed it, because the explanation and execution was muddy, not memorable, and not compelling. Either that or a number of unrelated people have just decided to be jerks about this particular plot point.

As for the set design, I found Oa, ugly, unimpressive and uninteresting. They built up to it in this big reveal, but it was a big whoomp-whoomp moment for me. Perhaps others were blown away by the crags and lopsided mountain range. Not me though.

I don’t understand that at all, as I feel like many of the outdoor sequences on Oa are comparable to what happens in Asgard in terms of locale, but…okay.

Some were. Like when Hal was first there with Tomar-Re, but the GL meeting spot, the big reveal of the planet, even the Guardians' spire were pretty weak compared to the epic reveal of Asgard, Odin's throne room, and such. Not only was it not impressive, AND not faithful to the comics, it did not help tell the story. You have this massively advanced force with cutting edge medical tech and brightly colored platforms to chat on, that meets in crags and is ruled by some guys at the top of Minas-Tirith. It just wasn't good, consistent, or compelling.

As far as the climax not building on the film very well…the reason Parallax is going to Earth is pretty clear…Parallax destroys planets, and is drawn there by Hammond. The villains aren't compelling or well developed. But to say their reasoning isn't there, or that the movie doesn't build to something, I can't agree with that.

Parallax was going to Oa for revenge... his drawn by Hammond how and for what? The movie never explains or addresses this. That's kind of what I'm talking about with the building. The movie advances to the ending, but it doesn't build on what came before to get there, it just, like Parallax, suddenly turns and expects us to follow it. I call that not building, I guess you call that not compelling, and that's fine.

As for Hammond, his entire arc relies on seduction to the power of fear, and his use of it to gain power. And then he faces down a will-based superhero and can’t muster the willpower to make the ring work, and is ultimately destroyed by fear. If anything, Hammond’s defeat at Hal’s hands is one of the more satisfying elements of the film, both as an adaption of the comics and as a film, because its one of the few times it steps outside cliche and a more generic approach.

I would agree with this, but I think that was a mistake. To build up your secondary villain, at the cost of both your main hero and your primary villain is a bad idea, no matter how satisfying the defeat of the secondary villain is. It doesn't matter (to me) how good the icing is if the cake is nasty.

I would agree with that, to a point. He’s not a hugely likeable character through much of the film, though there are obvious points in the movie where he's shown to be a redeemable character and a good guy. He’s not really supposed to be hugely likeable, though, until he stops feeling sorry for himself and overcomes his fear. I guess the filmmakers shouldn't have tried to go with a lofty concept like "bettering yourself" for a superhero movie.

A good movie makes the main character likeable, no matter how detestable is, it's suppose to show him redeemable and give the audience a chance to like him (and an unspoken promise to redeem him). GL tried to do this with the nephew scene and it didn't connect, it wasn't compelling. I don't even know why, maybe because it wasn't his kid, or he was in the midst of being a jerk with his family, or because the father stuff was told and not shown, but at the end of the day: meh for movie Hal in the beginning = meh for movie Hal in the end.

That's not neccessarily true. There's every bit as much battle and struggle as most superhero films have. Part of the "ownage" is because he’s a rookie ringwielder. He’s learning to use the ring, to muster the willpower, and to overcome fear. There were very deliberate choices made by filmmakers to show him failing, so that they should show him growing as a hero, and as a character.

So he basically gets owned at every step he’s truly tested because he’s not ready yet, which is kind of the whole point.

It’s not really any different than Batman originally getting his ass handed to him by The Scarecrow because he’s not quite ready to face him in BEGINS, or any number of superhero film encounters where the hero doesn't triumph right away.

What about the fight sequence between he and Hammond in the lab? There’s a very clear battle/struggle of emotions/powers going on there. There's a shifting of momentum between he and Hammond.

What about the sequence between Green Lantern and Parallax at the end of the film? There’s a pretty clear struggle between he and Parallax, a very clear thematic and visual contest of fear VS will. It’s one of the focal points of the climax.

Does that get muddled a little because they’re shooting colored light at each other? Yes, but it is still very much there.

Hmmm... Hal vs Hammond in the lab was a struggle, with back and forth, and perhaps its comparable to Batman in some ways - he took down Scarecrows men, and then got jumped by Scarecrow - it feels different with Bats because you understand intrinsically that physicality demands effort. With Hal it's like... does he just not want to win bad enough? What is the struggle? With something like willpower, that's abstract and hard to define, so it makes his instant defeats look silly and his instant wins feel arbitrary, especially if there's not compelling character arc underneath.

Yes, but where? Where are these bad effects? The closest thing to subpar effects is the opening pre-title sequence.

I know some people rant about the effects, but the creature work was more or less flawless, the environments were fantastic. I can’t consider a somewhat heightened, cartoony look in relation to the suit and Hal's powers to be a bad one when that’s what they went for, but that seems to be what people pick on when discussing the quality of the effects.

It'd be one thing to discuss the approach, or the tone, or the visual choices themselves. But the quality of the effects themselves was pretty darn good.

I wouldn’t begin to say “most”.

Hal flying in space was the more noticeable one for me, and I usually don't notice bad CGI, but even I saw that, and that's the one I heard ranted about most. Then Hal in his apartment fails to feel quite real as well. The pre-credits, and all the Parallax ones were just so-so, not really "bad." I agree Kilowogg, Tomar-Re and Sinestro were quite impressive, and generally, any cgi-on-cgi effect was just fine. Apparently, though, I'm wrong that most people bagged on the CGI, that was before the movie came out and amongst fans and such, so I'll take that one. Apparently the general consensus is that the CGI was the only good thing about the film. Go figure.

[Airwings]

I wonder how a Ridley Scott-directed Green Lantern will be? Visuals over story, like Prometheus?
The same thing can be said about James Cameron and Avatar.

[The Guard]

No, it did not do so very clearly, that's why many people missed it, because the explanation and execution was muddy, not memorable, and not compelling. Either that or a number of unrelated people have just decided to be jerks about this particular plot point.

TOMAR RE: Your ring will alert you when there is trouble.

Then the film showed Hal's ring alerting him as Kilowog attached, much like it did later on after Hammond struck.

It was quite clear.

If "many people" missed it, then "many people" didn't pay attention.

[Eklypze]

I was watching the movie when I went to bed last nite and actually noticed his ring kind of talking to him but it's so subtle that it's not very clear at all that his ring is warning him about anything. There needs to be a voice similar to Jarvis in Iron Man that comes out of the rings. Maybe a guardian like voice or something

[DaveMoral]

I was watching the movie when I went to bed last nite and actually noticed his ring kind of talking to him but it's so subtle that it's not very clear at all that his ring is warning him about anything. There needs to be a voice similar to Jarvis in Iron Man that comes out of the rings. Maybe a guardian like voice or something

Well, that's what is in comics.

[pr0xyt0xin]

*reads thread title*

LOL.

[Eklypze]

I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO

[Scar Predator]

I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO

Cosigned. That was definitely a missed opportunity.

[the great thor]

They are really making another one, i hope they do it right this time.

[The Guard]

I know. That's why I said it. Would've been nice to ****ing hear "Hal Jordan of Earth, you have the ability to overcome great fear" but NOOOOO

Cosigned. That was definitely a missed opportunity.

The problem is...that's like, the only real character development Hal Jordan has, other than becoming more responsible. Various incarnations of that aspect. So for the ring to just blurt it out early in the film would leave him pretty much nowhere to go in terms of character discovery in an origin film.

So instead of the movie giving that away up front, it had him struggling with why he was chosen since he WAS afraid (but not willing to admit it), misunderstanding the whole "No fear" thing, and Carol realizing it was because he had the ability to overcome great fear, and helping him to understand it, right before he had to face the embodiment of fear.

[Eklypze]

Bleh. That movie isn't self referential or intelligent enough for that to even matter. In an actual good GL flick it would happen and that pussy theme wouldn't be present. Hal doesn't need to be questioning himself the way he did in the movie. He just ups and leaves! **** it Oa! I'm out! Wtf thats the whole part that ****s it up for me is Hal deciding to leave Oa. If he had stayed and seemed excited about being a GL it would have been more convincing

[Hammer!]

Best to lay this down to rest. Fans and critics aside, the General Audience hated the first one to the point where the character is pretty much laughable in their eyes.

[Scar Predator]

Bleh. That movie isn't self referential or intelligent enough for that to even matter. In an actual good GL flick it would happen and that pussy theme wouldn't be present. Hal doesn't need to be questioning himself the way he did in the movie. He just ups and leaves! **** it Oa! I'm out! Wtf thats the whole part that ****s it up for me is Hal deciding to leave Oa. If he had stayed and seemed excited about being a GL it would have been more convincing

I completely agree. Oa was beautiful and a much different setting from other hero films. They could have shown Hal having an extended training time (ala Emerald Dawn ) and still told the same story about him overcoming self-doubt. He didn't need to return to Earth to save it.

[Jordacar]

Hal wimping out after some training was when the movie really started to fall apart for me. And when Carol is reassuring Hal about overcoming fear, that was when it just fell off a cliff.

[Scar Predator]

Hal wimping out after some training was when the movie really started to fall apart for me. And when Carol is reassuring Hal about overcoming fear, that was when it just fell off a cliff.

Yes, the quitting part really bothered me. I also thought Kilowog should have taken issue with Sinestro pushing Jordan to that point.

[Lord]

Anybody remember this fan trailer that ended up being better than the official trailer and movie?

_hTiRnqnvDs

[DrCosmic]

TOMAR RE: Your ring will alert you when there is trouble.

Then the film showed Hal's ring alerting him as Kilowog attached, much like it did later on after Hammond struck.

It was quite clear.

If "many people" missed it, then "many people" didn't pay attention.

Most people don't pay attention ever. That's why good movies draw people into the information that it gives out, otherwise, people will miss it, no matter how plainly stated, if it sounds unimportant/uninteresting/unintuitive. Like I said, muddy/uncompelling = missed, not 'not said' = missed.

I personally remember the line, and I thought it was rather cartoony to have a vague 'trouble' sense. Isn't there always trouble somewhere? Or does it only alert him to alien trouble? Who cares! He now has a thin excuse to be in the right place at the right time for the rest of the film.

[HighFivingMF]

Anybody remember this fan trailer that ended up being better than the official trailer and movie?

_hTiRnqnvDs

I don't remember the "ended up being better than the movie" part.

[Bruce_Begins]

Parallax was going to Oa for revenge... his drawn by Hammond how and for what? The movie never explains or addresses this. That's kind of what I'm talking about with the building. The movie advances to the ending, but it doesn't build on what came before to get there, it just, like Parallax, suddenly turns and expects us to follow it. I call that not building, I guess you call that not compelling, and that's fine.

Doesn't Parallax talk to Hammond about the energy signature of ring of his captor (Abin Sur) present on Earth ?

That is when Parallax decides to head towards Earth than go to Oa.

[HighFivingMF]

Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.

[The Guard]

Most people don't pay attention ever. That's why good movies draw people into the information that it gives out, otherwise, people will miss it, no matter how plainly stated, if it sounds unimportant/uninteresting/unintuitive. Like I said, muddy/uncompelling = missed, not 'not said' = missed.

There's nothing "muddy" about the presentation of what the ring does. It doesn't get much "clearer".

Uncompelling? Well, no, the ring alerting Hal to trouble isn't the most compelling aspect in the world, but along with the other elements of the ring, it forms a compelling overall concept.

I personally remember the line, and I thought it was rather cartoony to have a vague 'trouble' sense. Isn't there always trouble somewhere? Or does it only alert him to alien trouble? Who cares! He now has a thin excuse to be in the right place at the right time for the rest of the film.

He's a space cop whose alien ring alerts him to trouble. That should really be enough info. It’s a ring that makes things out of green light. Getting into what particular types of trouble it alerts him to seems irrelevant and kind of misses the point, since the film SHOWS what types of trouble. Issues in the immediate vicinity requiring his help. Yeah. It's cheesy. It's always been cheesy and a little out there. That's half its charm. That there's a ring that does all this stuff.

Doesn't Parallax talk to Hammond about the energy signature of ring of his captor (Abin Sur) present on Earth ?

That is when Parallax decides to head towards Earth than go to Oa.

Pretty sure he does, yes.

Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.

Yup. Parallax appears to attempt to get Hammond to take out Green Lantern for him. Or at least to be disgusted with Hammond when he fails to do so
There's a kind of symbiotic relatonship between them. Hammond isn't a good steward of Parallaxs powers, and Parallax takes back what is his when it destroys Hammond.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Parallax is drawn by the hunk of him in Hector, the fact Hal is there with the ring of the Lantern that imprisoned him, and if he devours Earth he'll definitely be more than strong enough to take Oa.

That's the one. The only thing that didn't make sense was that Parallax was going to Oa despite not having enough power to repel the entire Corps and the Guardians,