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Daybreak_st
11-18-2010, 01:48 PM
The Silver Surfer was done all CGI. It´s the same thing as here, The viewer just needs to wrap their heads around the fact that it´s not actually a suit, not as we know it.
Some people cry over rubber suits, leather suits, just like they cry over CGI. Whatever you do, there´s naysayers, I speak from years of experience. Even the Spídey suit had its share of detractors ("raised web sucks", "looks tooexpensive to be homemade by Peter")
Actually i just found this:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3571/doc499dc8c9a0b519295726.jpg
So he wasn't "all cgi".
Another example of practical costuming that i'm talking about that may have worked for the GL costume is something like this:
http://www.**************.com/images/uploads/abe_sapien.jpg
It simply looks like actual skin, not a costume. A GL uniform with the same design as the cgi suit but built pracitally where it functions like one of these creature type costumes would've worked fine, and just used CGI enhancements. But there's no need to complain or second guess as long as the final product turns out good and based on the trailer i think it will.
Optimus_Prime_
11-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Hmmmm, my thoughts...
Let me start by reflecting on the fact that a few years back this character could've been a Jack Black comedy vehicle, and to see him handled seriously and in a comic-accurate manner is actually pretty cool. To be fair to the "Jack Black comedy" the character of Green Lantern is a little daft, and his powers do at times seem comedic. I myself would have trouble explaining to a producer why they should handle it seriously. I certainly could see myself struggling to get other to take him seriously…so it was nice to see someone actually take the Julius Schwartz comics and make a movie out of them.
Visually I was stunned, and I was happy to see such a faithful adaptation of comic elements. Pieface, Oa, the meeting with Abin Sur, Hector Hammond; it's all there. I was also pleased that Ryan Reynolds appears to have dialed back his typical attitude to something a little more understated. I knew he could considering his performance in Adventureland which was far different from what comic fans are used to.
Mark Strong's Sinestro blew me away. Never have I been so pumped for a character's portrayal having heard no lines spoken. The way he presented himself in the teaser/trailer captured Sinestro's demeanor perfectly.
The more I’ve watched it the more positive I feel, yet I’m still not blown away as I was with the new Cowboys and Aliens trailer. First of all, yes Green Lantern’s costume is a construct, but doing it with cgi seems unnecessary and for all the effort I’m not sure I’m in love with the result. Second, it’s Ryan Reynolds, and unfortunately, in part because of my man-crush on him, I cannot ever get over seeing him in his roles. One of the reasons I wanted him for Deadpool is because the permanent mask and disgusting face make-up would be what you’d need to make Ryan disappear into his role. I don’t want to detract from his acting abilities; I think he’s a strong actor, but he’s just too exposed. I never truly see Hal Jordan, I see Ryan Reynolds playing Hal Jordan.
That said, I am still excited about the film and it’s potential. I just wish they had done more “outside the box” casting for Hal. 8 out of 10.
Daybreak_st
11-18-2010, 01:54 PM
I don't think it's clear exactly how they did it. I read one article saying Weta looked at Doug Jones Surfer suit on the set and decided they would need to do it all CGI, but at Jones's own website they say Weta applied a liquid metal effect over his performance.
What I do know for sure though is that all the scenes when he was disconnected from the board was Doug Jones in that duller gray/silver body suit (no CGI).
He also wore a more silvery suit that was used for performing the other scenes, but like I said, Weta have apparently said one thing and Doug Jones has said another.
Btw, you can the suit he wore here: http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/fan4behind.htm
Thanks for this info. I posted my comment before i read this, thanks.:yay:
StanLee Wannabe
11-18-2010, 02:07 PM
1. Blake Lively can act - I'm not concerned there. Anyone who saw "The Town" realizes she's more than GossipGirl.
2. This trailer is too comedic - I see what people are saying but we've been told that overall it's a more serious movie. All we can do is wait for another trailer.
3. The costume - it's passable. I like a more "realistic" take on it...but the bacon/muscle striations are bad. The mask is even worse. Overall the costume is a 4.
4. I know there's a scene where he does something "romantic" with the ring that should wow people...but I really hope we get to see a lot better use of the ring than saving debutantes from a helicopter.
Overall...still hopeful...but not wowed.
ObakeTora
11-18-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm not much of a GL fan, but what interested me about the character was the many fans of GL. I think they were trying to go for a Tony Stark vibe when they developed this film and cast Reynolds. I think GL deserved to have been shot through Nolan vision. Sorry to any GL fans who liked this trailer.
The Sage
11-18-2010, 02:17 PM
I'm not much of a GL fan, but what interested me about the character was the many fans of GL. I think they were trying to go for a Tony Stark vibe when they developed this film and cast Reynolds. I think GL deserved to have been shot through Nolan vision. Sorry to any GL fans who liked this trailer.
Gritty realism and purely serious? Wouldn't fit the character.
rogue trooper
11-18-2010, 02:27 PM
Gritty realism and purely serious? Wouldn't fit the character.
I absolutely second that. "Nolan-vision" should be for more gritty, street/urban grounded characters like Batman, Daredevil, Robocop, The Shadow, or Judge Dredd, but not a galactically-derived superhero like GL.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-18-2010, 02:29 PM
Blake Lively was decent in The Town, I liked her but she still hasn't proven to be some great actress. Her performance in The Town has nothing to do with how horrible she looked in that trailer.
I'm not much of a GL fan, but what interested me about the character was the many fans of GL. I think they were trying to go for a Tony Stark vibe when they developed this film and cast Reynolds. I think GL deserved to have been shot through Nolan vision. Sorry to any GL fans who liked this trailer.Disliking the trailer is fine but saying it should have been like TDK is beyond silly.
Upset Spideyfan
11-18-2010, 02:49 PM
I have to say this teaser seriously underwhelmed me, which is a shame because I wanted to be wow'd.
S.A.A.D.
11-18-2010, 03:36 PM
Nvm.
S.A.A.D.
11-18-2010, 03:38 PM
I'm not much of a GL fan, but what interested me about the character was the many fans of GL. I think they were trying to go for a Tony Stark vibe when they developed this film and cast Reynolds. I think GL deserved to have been shot through Nolan vision. Sorry to any GL fans who liked this trailer.
Yawn,please take that damn Nolan crap elsewhere.
*sighs
Darkness Falls
11-18-2010, 03:54 PM
as a fan of the nolan bat films
i agree with s.a.d.d
this movie is should not be like batman
its the goddamn green lantern :D
JamalYIgle
11-18-2010, 04:03 PM
I'm not much of a GL fan, but what interested me about the character was the many fans of GL. I think they were trying to go for a Tony Stark vibe when they developed this film and cast Reynolds. I think GL deserved to have been shot through Nolan vision. Sorry to any GL fans who liked this trailer.
As much of a fan of Chris nolan as i am, That treatment works for Batman. Green Lantern is a different type of character, and needs a different type of feel. Green lantern is about bright and colorful superhero action, set across a grand scale, much like Superman. Green lantern is about energy and the power of fantasy. Green lanterns are the fearless intergalactic police force battling space armadas and toppling alien warlords
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/301/a/f/kyle_rayner__green_lantern_by_jamaligle1-d31pe8i.jpg
half the fun of drawing Green Lantern is doing the impossible
Doc Samson
11-18-2010, 06:13 PM
As much of a fan of Chris nolan as i am, That treatment works for Batman. Green Lantern is a different type of character, and needs a different type of feel. Green lantern is about bright and colorful superhero action, set across a grand scale, much like Superman. Green lantern is about energy and the power of fantasy. Green lanterns are the fearless intergalactic police force battling space armadas and toppling alien warlords
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/301/a/f/kyle_rayner__green_lantern_by_jamaligle1-d31pe8i.jpg
half the fun of drawing Green Lantern is doing the impossible
I agree with this to a certain extent, but I also feel like most comic movies seem to want to apologize for the source material. I spoke about this in another thread but it bears repeating here, I don't see why GL has to be extra comedic, not saying that it is by the way, I'm just talking about this based on the trailer, which appears to give the impression that there may be a lot of cheese.
I can understand some people being turned off by more serious comic films, seeing them as being too pretentious, but I also feel like the characters are what they are. Superman & Spiderman are expected to be fun and light, that's what I gleaned from them as a youth, but I never really took GL as fluffy material.
Iron Man worked because Tony Stark and RDJ have a lot of those quirks and similarities in common, it was a natural thing that didn't feel forced. All the comedy in this trailer just seems shoehorned in there to satisfy some type of popcorn quota. GL as a fantastical, epic, space adventure should be enough to get people excited to see this thing, I don't think the slapstick is necessary
TheComicbookKid
11-18-2010, 06:44 PM
. All the comedy in this trailer just seems shoehorned in there to satisfy some type of popcorn quota.
This. I guess my disappointment is my own making. I never really imagined Hal's humor the way the trailer portrayed it. I saw it as more amusing to him than it was to anyone else.
Doc Ock
11-18-2010, 07:15 PM
I like the trailer, I've watched it tons of times already. I just don't like how it begins but once Abin Sur shows up it gets good!
dnno1
11-18-2010, 07:50 PM
Guys, it was a teaser trailer. It is not necessarily supposed to overwhelm anybody, but rather wet your tastebuds. There will be more to come and it will progress from there. At least we kind of know what they showed fans at comicon.
Excelsior.
11-18-2010, 07:55 PM
Guys, it was a teaser trailer.
Its a full blown trailer. It clocks in at 2 minute and 29 seconds.
Doc Samson
11-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Its a full blown trailer. It clocks in at 2 minute and 29 seconds.
Thank you. Ang Lee's Hulk where Banner transforms in the bathroom was a teaser. TDK trailer with just the logo and voiceovers was a teaser, this is the first full trailer
craigdbfan
11-18-2010, 08:11 PM
Like someone wrote earlier the fact that we hardly got to see constructs is what might have made this trailer a little lackluster. Its trailer editor didn't help either.
Nothing that can't be fixed with the next trailer hopefully.
The Sage
11-18-2010, 08:14 PM
I always thought the early trailers that came out were the teaser trailers, and the ones that come out a month or two before the release were considered the full ones. My bad...
wobbly
11-18-2010, 09:07 PM
I always thought the early trailers that came out were the teaser trailers, and the ones that come out a month or two before the release were considered the full ones. My bad...
Teasers are generally quite short and don't have any 'money shots' (or even shots from the film at all). Anything that's a couple of minutes or more and does have significant shots from the film (characters in costume and in action for example) I'd say qualifies as a trailer.
I Am The Knight
11-18-2010, 09:16 PM
As much of a fan of Chris nolan as i am, That treatment works for Batman. Green Lantern is a different type of character, and needs a different type of feel. Green lantern is about bright and colorful superhero action, set across a grand scale, much like Superman. Green lantern is about energy and the power of fantasy. Green lanterns are the fearless intergalactic police force battling space armadas and toppling alien warlords
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/301/a/f/kyle_rayner__green_lantern_by_jamaligle1-d31pe8i.jpg
half the fun of drawing Green Lantern is doing the impossible
That one of your drawings? I like it.
dnno1
11-18-2010, 09:32 PM
Its a full blown trailer. It clocks in at 2 minute and 29 seconds.
Although teaser trailers usually less than 30 seconds that is not always the case for a block buster film. The "Lord of the Rings: Felloship of the Ring" teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-7x5D3v6jE) lasted 1:38 (so did Superman: the Movie), and the "Star Wars: The Pantom Menace" teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENlX2cZLq3s) lasted 2:11 (note that these are films that "Green Lantern" is tring to emulate as fare as garnering fans). So as long as you show some out of context clips or convey a message without revealing the entirety of the story plot it is a tease.
Excelsior.
11-18-2010, 09:40 PM
So as long as you show some out of context clips or convey a message without revealing the entirety of the story plot it is a tease. So it can only be a trailer if you reveal the entirety of the plot? I guess Inception never had a real trailer, only teasers.
dnno1
11-18-2010, 09:51 PM
So it can only be a trailer if you reveal the entirety of the plot? I guess Inception never had a real trailer, only teasers.
Like I said before, there is a lot of things that were not revealed in the trailer. The other members of the corps (outside Kilowog, Tomar Re, and Sinestro), the Guardians, Parallax, etc. This could be considered a teaser just based on that. This (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Teaser_trailer) is where my definition of a teaser from.
Excelsior.
11-18-2010, 09:54 PM
By the definition in the link, this absolutely does not fit the bill of a teaser. it is a trailer. As far as being vague like a teaser, it is due to the incompetence of the editor more than anything. He/she had more than enough time to convey the general tone and story of the movie.
Sub-Zero
11-18-2010, 10:01 PM
i think to the average movie goer the beginning of the trailer is going to make them think it's another ryan reynolds romantic comedy. it's not until he ejects from the plane that you start to realize this is something different.
introduce green lantern to the world first, and downplay ryan's comedy for the next trailer. let the audience be like "ah green lantern that looks cool" not "ryan reynolds in a superhero movie...ok."
it looks like a fun movie, but people might think it's a comedy by showcasing all the humorous scenes in the trailers.
dnno1
11-18-2010, 10:03 PM
By the definition in the link, this absolutely does not fit the bill of a teaser. it is a trailer. As far as being vague like a teaser, it is due to the incompetence of the editor more than anything. He/she had more than enough time to convey the general tone and story of the movie.
That is a matter of opinion. Not everything was revealed in that trailer and it did serve the purpose of building hype as some of the polls held at the various websites indicate.
webhead921
11-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Am I the only one who thought that the trailer was absolutely flawless? I feel like Green Lantern is a franchise that a studio could easily muck up and was at first hesitant about the film, but I think we'll get a really solid film out of this. Also, I didn't really like the Reynolds casting, but I felt like I was watching Hal in the trailer. Reynold's didn't seem overly comedic. A cocky, charismatic, ladies man yes, but not overly comedic. All of Reynold's lines in the trailer seemed like things I would picture Hal saying.
Am I the only one who thought that the trailer was absolutely flawless? I feel like Green Lantern is a franchise that a studio could easily muck up and was at first hesitant about the film, but I think we'll get a really solid film out of this. Also, I didn't really like the Reynolds casting, but I felt like I was watching Hal in the trailer. Reynold's didn't seem overly comedic. A cocky, charismatic, ladies man yes, but not overly comedic. All of Reynold's lines in the trailer seemed like things I would picture Hal saying.
I wouldn't call it flawless, but yes, the trailer had a lot more good things than bad.
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 01:15 AM
The fx in the film Inception didn't change your minds?? I'm sorry but this film looks really camp, and I always thought a film starring Hal Jordan would be taken seriously. As much love as there is for this character surely someone at Warner would have had a brain fart and would have treated this film seriously. Reynolds being cast as Hal just comes off as silly. It's like he's trying too hard to be Tony Stark. Whatever happened to originality?
It doesn't have to be gritty realism, although it wouldn't hurt. But i won't complain because you don't have imagination like me, and before I throw up Star Wars as an example of how realism and fantasy could work together in a film, I'll just say you GL fans should be pretty ticked, as this was an opportunity to do something new and original.
Sometimes I have to keep reminding myself alot of you here were born after the 80's.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 01:19 AM
i think to the average movie goer the beginning of the trailer is going to make them think it's another ryan reynolds romantic comedy. it's not until he ejects from the plane that you start to realize this is something different.
introduce green lantern to the world first, and downplay ryan's comedy for the next trailer. let the audience be like "ah green lantern that looks cool" not "ryan reynolds in a superhero movie...ok."
it looks like a fun movie, but people might think it's a comedy by showcasing all the humorous scenes in the trailers.
Worst, they might think it's Green Hornet.
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 01:22 AM
The fx in the film Inception didn't change your minds?? I'm sorry but this film looks really camp, and I always thought a film starring Hal Jordan would be taken seriously. As much love as there is for this character surely someone at Warner would have had a brain fart and would have treated this film seriously. Reynolds being cast as Hal just comes off as silly. It's like he's trying too hard to be Tony Stark. Whatever happened to originality?
It doesn't have to be gritty realism, although it wouldn't hurt. But i won't complain because you don't have imagination like me, and before I throw up Star Wars as an example of how realism and fantasy could work together in a film, I'll just say you GL fans should be pretty ticked, as this was an opportunity to do something new and original.
Sometimes I have to keep reminding myself alot of you here were born after the 80's.
You can't fool everyone pretending as if you're some legitimate GL fan,your post is rude,and you're clearly trolling. I don't think that any GL fan here requires your pity over the movie's direction,think before you talk. You and the other people trolling this portion of the site deserve each other and you're delusional. The opportunity was not wasted,if it was wasted then certain things that make the GL universe cool and unique would be omitted,but they weren't.
rogue trooper
11-19-2010, 01:30 AM
Am I the only one who thought that the trailer was absolutely flawless? I feel like Green Lantern is a franchise that a studio could easily muck up and was at first hesitant about the film, but I think we'll get a really solid film out of this. Also, I didn't really like the Reynolds casting, but I felt like I was watching Hal in the trailer. Reynold's didn't seem overly comedic. A cocky, charismatic, ladies man yes, but not overly comedic. All of Reynold's lines in the trailer seemed like things I would picture Hal saying.
No, you're not alone. I gave it a 10. It's not "absolutely flawless", but "nearly" flawless.:cwink: But yeah, I'm kinda' surprised at the mixed reaction.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 01:32 AM
Yea that post was offensive.
I voted an 8. It tries to be fresh and exciting... maybe a little too much... but the middle portion when the ring is given to him is dramatic. The music is cool too.
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 01:34 AM
Yea that post was offensive.
I voted an 8. It tries to be fresh and exciting... maybe a little too much... but the middle portion when the ring is given to him is dramatic. The music is cool too.
He sounds like he has a superiority complex because we aren't seeing things
his way. And notice how he had to bring up Inception,a movie made by a certain someone. :o
Colonel Kurtz
11-19-2010, 01:49 AM
I can understand that the CG may not be completed, but why would WB put unfinished material in the first official trailer? I think this is the way Hal's suit is going to look through the entire film. Quite disappointing.
The fx in the film Inception didn't change your minds?? I'm sorry but this film looks really camp, and I always thought a film starring Hal Jordan would be taken seriously. As much love as there is for this character surely someone at Warner would have had a brain fart and would have treated this film seriously. Reynolds being cast as Hal just comes off as silly. It's like he's trying too hard to be Tony Stark. Whatever happened to originality?
It doesn't have to be gritty realism, although it wouldn't hurt. But i won't complain because you don't have imagination like me, and before I throw up Star Wars as an example of how realism and fantasy could work together in a film, I'll just say you GL fans should be pretty ticked, as this was an opportunity to do something new and original.
Sometimes I have to keep reminding myself alot of you here were born after the 80's.
You're kind of a loser.
Just letting you know.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 01:52 AM
I can understand that the CG may not be completed, but why would WB put unfinished material in the first official trailer? I think this is the way Hal's suit is going to look through the entire film. Quite disappointing.
Maybe put the trailer out early to see what fans think? So they have more time to touch up
Colonel Kurtz
11-19-2010, 01:55 AM
Maybe put the trailer out early to see what fans think? So they have more time to touch up
Why would WB risk so much, especially financially, when these types of films depend on first impressions? I'd hate to say it, but what we see in the trailer is the final product. Martin Campbell is an excellent action director, but these types of FX/CG shots aren't his speciality.
Trailers have unfinished shots all the time. They complete shots to a certain level of completion for the trailer but they still spend the rest of post-production tweaking those shots.
rzatherazor
11-19-2010, 01:59 AM
i gave it a 3. i'm not trolling and i don't mean to start ****, but i REALLY disliked it. almost everything about it. Oa and Sinestro look cool, but ****, i'm not feeling it at all. not excited
Colonel Kurtz
11-19-2010, 02:03 AM
Trailers have unfinished shots all the time. They complete shots to a certain level of completion for the trailer but they still spend the rest of post-production tweaking those shots.
It would make more sense, to me at least, that you would focus on a handful of shots for the trailer and polish them for the general public ad campaign. This is already on the net and is causing unnecessary backlash towards the film. I might be over critical, but the last CG shots of Ryan looked horrendous. It doesn't add anything to the trailer except poor comic relief.
zanos
11-19-2010, 02:29 AM
i think to the average movie goer the beginning of the trailer is going to make them think it's another ryan reynolds romantic comedy. it's not until he ejects from the plane that you start to realize this is something different.
introduce green lantern to the world first, and downplay ryan's comedy for the next trailer. let the audience be like "ah green lantern that looks cool" not "ryan reynolds in a superhero movie...ok."
it looks like a fun movie, but people might think it's a comedy by showcasing all the humorous scenes in the trailers.
The whole point of casting Reynolds is so they can make a goofy, funny superhero film.
Saint
11-19-2010, 02:48 AM
The fx in the film Inception didn't change your minds?? I'm sorry but this film looks really camp, and I always thought a film starring Hal Jordan would be taken seriously. As much love as there is for this character surely someone at Warner would have had a brain fart and would have treated this film seriously. Reynolds being cast as Hal just comes off as silly. It's like he's trying too hard to be Tony Stark. Whatever happened to originality?
It doesn't have to be gritty realism, although it wouldn't hurt. But i won't complain because you don't have imagination like me, and before I throw up Star Wars as an example of how realism and fantasy could work together in a film, I'll just say you GL fans should be pretty ticked, as this was an opportunity to do something new and original.
Sometimes I have to keep reminding myself alot of you here were born after the 80's.
Wow, I think this might be the worst post ever. "You don't have imagination like me"? It's cute that you made a crack about the age of certain posters after writing something so unbelievably childish.
What a joke.
Saint
11-19-2010, 02:49 AM
The whole point of casting Reynolds is so they can make a goofy, funny superhero film.
No, I really don't think the trailer suggests they want to make a "goofy" movie.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 04:09 AM
Honestly, the cgi of the suit when he "suits up" at the end of the trailer is pretty bad... but everything else was kinda good. The wirework when he swoops down and kicks the guy is obvious dont you think. Or is that intentional
Colonel Kurtz
11-19-2010, 05:10 AM
Just made a better trailer (took out the bad parts), tell me what you think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWIarYpchw
Octoberist
11-19-2010, 05:20 AM
I still think if they took out that shot of Ryan suiting up in his apartment, people would be less critical of the trailer. Literally, that's the only shot that most were bashing. That and maybe the mask.
Otherwise, when you watch the trailer, the rest of the CGI (unfinished or not) looked fairly solid, including Oa and the aliens. Especially Oa.
Majmun
11-19-2010, 07:29 AM
Just made a better trailer (took out the bad parts), tell me what you think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWIarYpchw
I like this trailer better. It sets a better tone. Thanks for taking the time to make it. :yay:
Brian Braddock
11-19-2010, 07:33 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the CG suit looks amazing when Hal says the 'go look for trouble' line?
There's a certain elasticity and muscle definition there that really makes it look how a comicbook costume is drawn - like a second skin.
AnorexicBatman
11-19-2010, 07:44 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
:doh:
Green Ghost
11-19-2010, 07:48 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the CG suit looks amazing when Hal says the 'go look for trouble' line?
No, me too.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 07:49 AM
"go look for trouble" was terrible CGI for today's standards imo
Milkman95
11-19-2010, 07:49 AM
I think the film looks fantastic, and I bet the comedic moments are limited within the film as a whole - but wasn't Hal a cocky smart ass anyway?
Deaths Head II
11-19-2010, 07:50 AM
I think the suit looks good in that "Looking for trouble" shot as well. It's only the mask that feel off, but then again I think it feels off in almost every shot.
I think the film looks fantastic, and I bet the comedic moments are limited within the film as a whole - but wasn't Hal a cocky smart ass anyway?
I'm pretty confident if they had that exact same trailer with someone else besides Ryan Reynolds most people wouldn't complain about it not feeling like Hal.
TheComicbookKid
11-19-2010, 07:52 AM
I think the suit looks good in that "Looking for trouble" shot as well. It's only the mask that feel off, but then again I think it feels off in almost every shot.
The suit looks good in the space shots ie night shots. Just in the bright light of day, it looks wonky.
Brian Braddock
11-19-2010, 07:53 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/green-lantern-every-single-superhero-movie-ever/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/green-lantern-every-single-superhero-movie-ever/)
:doh:
Have I ever wanted to put my fist through my monitor as much as I did when reading that?
Hmm, probably.
But it's right up there with the most ridiculous I've read in a while. The author is reaching so much at times he sees things that just arent there, whereas he over-simplifies and exaggerates the rest.
Brian Braddock
11-19-2010, 07:56 AM
I'm pretty confident if they had that exact same trailer with someone else besides Ryan Reynolds most people wouldn't complain about it not feeling like Hal.
Me too - somehow the movie looks 'goofy' to some because it's Reynolds delivering the lines. Would the exact same lines be goofy to people if delivered by, say, Nathan Fillion?
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 07:57 AM
They are all superheroes, of course they have stuff in common, amiright
Brian Braddock
11-19-2010, 07:58 AM
"go look for trouble" was terrible CGI for today's standards imo
You mean today's standards in terms of total CG superhero costumes?
Funny, I can't recall seeing that many of late, apart from the one in GL; certainly not enough of them that I can reason that it is terrible in comparison.
Ipodman
11-19-2010, 08:09 AM
I was refering to CGI in general. The CGI in the rest of the trailer was excellent. But that final shot of him stretching was not good
Ryudoz
11-19-2010, 08:48 AM
just curious...what particular scenes did you feel had poor cgi?
The shot of Hal looking out at Tomar-Re on Oa as Tomar is turning back to him. To me, Hal looks like a guy on a computer generated set.
The shot of Hal swooping in and kicking Hammond. Not sure if it's really Reynolds or if it's CGI, but it just looks awkward.
And there's something about the shot of when Hal is looking down at Abin as he's dying. The way the blood looks on the suit is kind of jarring. I don't know if it's because the blood is "real" and the suit isn't, or if they're both cgi, or if it's just the way they have the suits emitting light that makes it awkward.
To be fair, I'm usually one to slide such minor criticisms aside, because everything else looks good so far. I'm still planning on seeing the movie regardless of whether I think some cgi shots look iffy. All in all, minor complaints.
terry78
11-19-2010, 08:55 AM
Basically the counter to anyone *****ing about how some shots look like CGI is the classic "YOU look like CGI!!" That always shuts them up.
Ryudoz
11-19-2010, 09:03 AM
Basically the counter to anyone *****ing about how some shots look like CGI is the classic "YOU look like CGI!!" That always shuts them up.
Oh yeah, well your parents are obviously some computer generated imagery and that they are quite lacking in special effects acumen, leaving you to be a poorly created practical effect... Or something of that nature.
:cwink:
Majmun
11-19-2010, 09:06 AM
I wonder if Abin Sur's suit will disappear once he gives the ring to Hal....
JamalYIgle
11-19-2010, 09:08 AM
Just made a better trailer (took out the bad parts), tell me what you think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWIarYpchw
Kind of ripped the soul of the movie right out of it. good job.
Brian Braddock
11-19-2010, 09:31 AM
C'mon Jamal - everyone knows there's no room for humour or levity in the world of today.
It's cool to be all serious and morose nowadays. ;) :D
JamalYIgle
11-19-2010, 09:34 AM
C'mon Jamal - everyone knows there's no room for humour or levity in the world of today.
It's cool to be all serious and morose nowadays. ;) :D
Of course not, because nothing funny ever happens in real life or worse , comic books. you put a few funny lines in a movie and suddenly it's compared to Caddyshack.
JamalYIgle
11-19-2010, 09:36 AM
That one of your drawings? I like it.
Thanks! It's a few years old but it's one of my favorites from my GL issues.
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 09:58 AM
Me too - somehow the movie looks 'goofy' to some because it's Reynolds delivering the lines. Would the exact same lines be goofy to people if delivered by, say, Nathan Fillion?
Maybe, maybe not. But Nathan Fillion isn't a movie star, nor do I think he will ever be. He's a great actor and he has been in some movies, but I don't think he's ever going to be the guy that audiences will flock to see. You could argue that GL doesn't need that type of an actor, but I would argue that the film does, because GL is a bit like Iron Man in the sense that the character isn't that well-known outside of comic book fans, and a very charismatic lead actor with movie star qualities can bring mainstream audiences in, just like RDJ did for Iron Man.
And while Reynolds might not be a superstar yet, I think that he has that natural charisma that indicates that he will be, eventually. The fact that he won Sexiest Man Alive is worth mentioning, when you consider some of the other actors that have received this nod: George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Hugh Jackman... all of which are A-listers. The fact that Ryan won it indicates that at least a few people in Hollywood think he's poised to become a HUGE star.
Fillion, though I like him, is a much better fit for smaller scale projects like Castle and goofy character roles like Captain Hammer in Dr. Horrible. He would have probably made a good Hal Jordan, but I don't think that WB would get the audience that they likely will with Reynolds.
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:01 AM
I wonder if Abin Sur's suit will disappear once he gives the ring to Hal....
lol, maybe. If so, I hope it wasn't the only thing he put on in the morning!
elgaz
11-19-2010, 10:02 AM
I like the look of the suit in this, but the mask is definitely weird looking - starting to think they should have went for a real mask and left the rest of the suit CGi.
Sith Scotti
11-19-2010, 10:03 AM
Awful trailer. Looks more like a Ryan Reynolds comedy than a Superhero film. Im a bit worried now.
Majmun
11-19-2010, 10:04 AM
lol, maybe. If so, I hope it wasn't the only thing he put on in the morning!
Don't lie.
Majmun
11-19-2010, 10:05 AM
Awful trailer. Looks more like a Ryan Reynolds comedy than a Superhero film. Im a bit worried now.
Ahhh, come here, it's gonna be ok.
Hotwire
11-19-2010, 10:12 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/green-lantern-every-single-superhero-movie-ever/
:doh:
There's nothing here.
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:17 AM
I like the look of the suit in this, but the mask is definitely weird looking - starting to think they should have went for a real mask and left the rest of the suit CGi.
I agree, but I think they can straighten it out over the next few months. The mask looks okay (IMO) in most of the night scenes... it's only in the "go look for trouble" scene where it looks weird, mainly because the shape of it seems to be off when compared to other shots. I think that if they can make it look better in the daylight scenes, it should be okay.
Sundancer
11-19-2010, 10:17 AM
Trailers have unfinished shots all the time. They complete shots to a certain level of completion for the trailer but they still spend the rest of post-production tweaking those shots.
:up:
Which is why I'm avoiding any CGI discussion.
Hotwire
11-19-2010, 10:18 AM
Just made a better trailer (took out the bad parts), tell me what you think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWIarYpchw
And now the general audience will not know that he was a hot shot test pilot before becoming the Green Lantern. They'll see this and think, OK, so this ring chooses people at random?
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:19 AM
Don't lie.
Very well. I've always wanted to know if the rumore is true that Ungarans have seven nipples.
And now the general audience will not know that he was a hot shot test pilot before becoming the Green Lantern. They'll see this and think, OK, so this ring chooses people at random?
I think that's a bit of a stretch. Besides there are plenty of stories that focus on the "regular" guy who becomes the hero, and in the process finds that there was always more inside of him.
There's nothing here.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
katie_girl09
11-19-2010, 10:27 AM
I have to confess that I know very little about Green Lantern. But the trailer didn't make me interested in knowing any more if you know what I mean.
sdc10
11-19-2010, 10:32 AM
Awful trailer. Looks more like a Ryan Reynolds comedy than a Superhero film. Im a bit worried now.
Yes because of a couple of scenes totally means the entire film is going to be filled with comedy :whatever: :whatever: :doh:
The Sage
11-19-2010, 10:38 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
They saw GL abandoning his abilities in the trailer? Really? :huh:
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:42 AM
Sometimes I think people here wish every superhero movie should be so devoid of humor, so melancholy, so slit-your-wrists-at-the-end depressing, that these films should all be the equivalent of watching Requiem for a Dream, Leaving Las Vegas, The Sweet Hereafter and Meet the Spartans back-to-back.
hatebox
11-19-2010, 10:45 AM
Sometimes I think people here wish every superhero movie should be so devoid of humor, so melancholy, so slit-your-wrists-at-the-end depressing, that these films should all be the equivalent of watching Requiem for a Dream, Leaving Las Vegas, The Sweet Hereafter and Meet the Spartans back-to-back.
Straw man argument. Some people are simply complaining (rightly or wrongly) that the movie looks quite goofy, which isn't the same as funny and lighthearted.
elgaz
11-19-2010, 10:47 AM
I agree, but I think they can straighten it out over the next few months. The mask looks okay (IMO) in most of the night scenes... it's only in the "go look for trouble" scene where it looks weird, mainly because the shape of it seems to be off when compared to other shots. I think that if they can make it look better in the daylight scenes, it should be okay.
It actually makes him look a bit narrow-eyed, like he's the result of inbreeding.
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:47 AM
They saw GL abandoning his abilities in the trailer? Really? :huh:
I also love how he acts as if Hector Hammond is some sort of rip-off of Justin Hammer because they're names are similar and they both have someone build weapons for them. Since he's an admitted wikipedia reader, he might want to read a little further and find out that Hector Hammond has been around LONGER than Hammer and that kidnapping scientists plot has been around since 1961.
That-Guy
11-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Straw man argument. Some people are simply complaining (rightly or wrongly) that the movie looks quite goofy, which isn't the same as funny and lighthearted.
I understand that... but I still don't think that we've seen enough yet to label it as goofy. That's a matter of opinion of course, but the only potentiall goofy scene I see is the "go look for trouble" one. My only complaint about the tone of what we see so far is that some of the dialogue feels a little chiche-ridden at times and heavy handed, but perhaps it won't feel that way when we watch the movie as a whole.
Blackman
11-19-2010, 10:53 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
Some things looked familiar but most if not everything in this article is nitpicking/hating.
protocida
11-19-2010, 11:13 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
I don't know what entertains me more about this article: The fact that the writer is making assumptions based on a trailer (Because they are always so reliable, right?), the fact that he knows nothing about Green Lantern (Abin Sur's crash landing called a rip-off of Jonathan and Martha Kent finding Superman being the prime example) or the fact that he is wrong about nearly every assumption he has made (Hector Hammond being a greedy businessman, by example). :hehe:
rogue trooper
11-19-2010, 11:26 AM
Sometimes I think people here wish every superhero movie should be so devoid of humor, so melancholy, so slit-your-wrists-at-the-end depressing, that these films should all be the equivalent of watching Requiem for a Dream, Leaving Las Vegas, The Sweet Hereafter and Meet the Spartans back-to-back.
You ain't kidding.
TheMadScientist
11-19-2010, 11:35 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
BTW. this seems to be the author of this article:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/warmachine.jpg
Stringer
11-19-2010, 11:48 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
Goodness, what a terrible article. Its mostly assumptions and distortion.
Sith Scotti
11-19-2010, 11:56 AM
Yes because of a couple of scenes totally means the entire film is going to be filled with comedy :whatever: :whatever: :doh:
I wasn't commenting on rthe film but they sure as hell didm't do a good job selling it. A 2 minute trailer will not stop me from seeing but as a trailer it sucked
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 12:25 PM
I gave the dude from cracked.com a piece of my mind and hope that I knocked some sense into him.
AnorexicBatman
11-19-2010, 12:26 PM
Sometimes I think people here wish every superhero movie should be so devoid of humor, so melancholy, so slit-your-wrists-at-the-end depressing, that these films should all be the equivalent of watching Requiem for a Dream, Leaving Las Vegas, The Sweet Hereafter and Meet the Spartans back-to-back.
If reviews are to be believed then the new Harry Potter film is perfect for these people. It is apparently soul crushingly depressing and frightening on a psychological level. You know how the other films had a ray of hope, well apparently this one has a ray of dread. The entire film is the characters literally waiting for their doom while searching for mystical artifacts that may not exist that just might be able to help them.
So take your kids, parents! This movie will shut them up... FOR GOOD!!
Daybreak_st
11-19-2010, 12:34 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
Wow, i've read misinformed articles before this about takes the cake. I agree with the one point about the trailer showing too much of the character arc for Hal but that's it.
I can't believe he actually compared the Kents finding Superman with Abin Sur giving the ring to Hal :doh: come on guy read a comic every once in a while. Good grief. i get that people have stupid opinions but at least make it an informed opinion. He actually says Hal wasn't a lady's man and that was someone stolen from Iron Man :whatever: good grief. Does the 15 year old Arisa ring any bells? Hal jordan is basially Captain Kirk when it comes to ladys. Man the fact that someone so uninformed decides to broadcast his opinion is beyond me.
Also complaining that GL is shown flying :dry: really? Really? REALLY? How dare they have another Superhero flying in space other than Superman, i guess they just don't have any more original ideas left :doh:
dnno1
11-19-2010, 01:17 PM
Awful trailer. Looks more like a Ryan Reynolds comedy than a Superhero film. Im a bit worried now.
Did you watch the rest of the trailer?
Sith Scotti
11-19-2010, 01:27 PM
Did you watch the rest of the trailer?
Yes it looked a bit goofy and cheesy like some of those 80's action films. Now I know the cgi will be fixed up in post production, so I don't want to complain about the look of the film just yet.
Colonel Kurtz
11-19-2010, 01:29 PM
Just re-edited the trailer with suggestions, here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/user/Spyderfan007?feature=mhum
Cousin Itt
11-19-2010, 01:47 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-new-green-lantern-movie-looks-so-familiar/
:doh:
That was a poor article even for Cracked standards.
dnno1
11-19-2010, 02:16 PM
I give the guy credit for his ability to find parallels. Of course being a playboy or having a girl or wife that you need to protect, being able to fly and realizing the responsibility of your superpowers is typical for most comic book heroes.
Chris Wallace
11-19-2010, 05:05 PM
I don't read Green Lantern, I've never felt the desire to, but based on the trailer I WILL be seeing this movie.
DACrowe
11-19-2010, 05:28 PM
Wow, i've read misinformed articles before this about takes the cake. I agree with the one point about the trailer showing too much of the character arc for Hal but that's it.
I can't believe he actually compared the Kents finding Superman with Abin Sur giving the ring to Hal :doh: come on guy read a comic every once in a while. Good grief. i get that people have stupid opinions but at least make it an informed opinion. He actually says Hal wasn't a lady's man and that was someone stolen from Iron Man :whatever: good grief. Does the 15 year old Arisa ring any bells? Hal jordan is basially Captain Kirk when it comes to ladys. Man the fact that someone so uninformed decides to broadcast his opinion is beyond me.
Also complaining that GL is shown flying :dry: really? Really? REALLY? How dare they have another Superhero flying in space other than Superman, i guess they just don't have any more original ideas left :doh:
I think his points about copying Hal's development at the beginning of the trailer being almost exactly like how Tony Stark was introduced in IM1 was spot on. As well as a love interest who is annoyed with his cocky man-boy **** and is his professional superego to his pure id. The difference is that Paltrow is a great actress and can pass as a business executive and Favreau allowed her and Downey to have some fun odd-ball, 1930s-styled comedy banter. Blake Lively plays a fighter pilot...and I'm just not digging that.
Also, he is right about too many origin films being about a superhero learning responsibility. Like Spidey. The rest was bs, I must say.
dnno1
11-19-2010, 05:40 PM
It should be taken in context the fact that the notion of a superhero being a playboy/jetsetter and cocky is not new to comics. BTW, even though Iron Man had Tony Stark doing this, Hal Jordan was doing his thing a lot longer than he in the comics.
dnno1
11-19-2010, 05:40 PM
It should be taken in context the fact that the notion of a superhero being a playboy/jetsetter and cocky is not new to comics. BTW, even though Iron Man had Tony Stark doing this, Hal Jordan was doing his thing a lot longer than he in the comics.
Super Kal
11-19-2010, 05:55 PM
i loved the trailer :)
Sometimes I think people here wish every superhero movie should be so devoid of humor, so melancholy, so slit-your-wrists-at-the-end depressing, that these films should all be the equivalent of watching Requiem for a Dream, Leaving Las Vegas, The Sweet Hereafter and Meet the Spartans back-to-back.
I don't think it's that, it's more a case of people wanting the material taken seriously. Cliched dialog and cheesy one liners come across as treating the characters lightly, I think more just want a mature interpretation, one that doesn't treat it's audience like a bunch of 10 year old kids, which isn't an unreasonable request. Not saying something can't have humour, but when it's pushed to the forefront in the trailers it makes the film look childish. Not saying you can't have humour in a superhero film, TDK had humour but it was within the context of the story.
Doomed_hero
11-19-2010, 06:40 PM
Have people read comics? alot of the have cheese in them so when you translate it will be there. I mean it is grown man in coustumes, and thats not a insult I am a big fan. But th Green Lantern comices do have humor and can be cheesy at times. Stop expectingthe Dark Knight in ytone, its the exact opposite.
Doomed_hero
11-19-2010, 06:41 PM
Have people read comics? alot of the have cheese in them so when you translate it will be there. I mean it is grown man in coustumes, and thats not a insult I am a big fan. But th Green Lantern comices do have humor and can be cheesy at times. Stop expectingthe Dark Knight in ytone, its the exact opposite.
Doomed_hero
11-19-2010, 06:41 PM
Have people read comics? alot of the have cheese in them so when you translate it will be there. I mean it is grown man in coustumes, and thats not a insult I am a big fan. But th Green Lantern comices do have humor and can be cheesy at times. Stop expectingthe Dark Knight in ytone, its the exact opposite.
No-one's expecting TDK tone, it's about taking characters seriously.
JLU51306
11-19-2010, 07:27 PM
No-one's expecting TDK tone, it's about taking characters seriously.
Which I think after the "there's something better, just over the horizon" scene, the trailer accomplished.
Man of Tomorrow
11-19-2010, 07:30 PM
No-one's expecting TDK tone, it's about taking characters seriously.
This fan trailer felt kinda TDK-ish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64bchbUnjj4
It still makes me wish they went with the classic costume.
.Rorschach.
11-19-2010, 07:32 PM
Cannot stop watching the trailer
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 08:44 PM
You're kind of a loser.
Just letting you know.
Wow, if someone who has a different view and doesn't always agree with the majority train of thought is a loser, then wow thank you!!!! I'll be the first one to step out of the line all of you are in that leads to the edge of that cliff!!!! Wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you and I am confident enough to have an opinion!!! I guess all those straight a's in school I get means nothing, the pretty girls I've been with and the many adventures in my life are all in vain because I disagree with someone about a trailer regarding a comic book!!!!! Now since your so speculative, I wonder how come the mods haven't warned you since you have made an unnecessary attack on my person without any evidence to back that statement up? Where you there when I got second place in the sit up competition in my elementary school during the second grade? Is that why you are calling me a loser? Ok, well in my defense I had a big dinner the night before.
wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you about a comic book trailer. I'm so sad now, my life is over....... WHY CAN'T I APPRECIATE CAMPY FILMS JUST WHY!!!!???? :doh:
Newb.
Paradoxal
11-19-2010, 08:47 PM
Dear Lord. ^
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 08:52 PM
Wow, if someone who has a different view and doesn't always agree with the majority train of thought is a loser, then wow thank you!!!! I'll be the first one to step out of the line all of you are in that leads to the edge of that cliff!!!! Wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you and I am confident enough to have an opinion!!! I guess all those straight a's in school I get means nothing, the pretty girls I've been with and the many adventures in my life are all in vain because I disagree with someone about a trailer regarding a comic book!!!!! Now since your so speculative, I wonder how come the mods haven't warned you since you have made an unnecessary attack on my person without any evidence to back that statement up. Where you there when I got second place in the sit up competition in my elementary school when I was in the second grade? Is that why you are calling me a loser? Ok, well in my defense I had a big dinner the night before.
wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you about a comic book trailer. I'm so sad now, my life is over....... WHY CAN'T I APPRECIATE CAMPY FILMS JUST WHY!!!!???? :doh:
:csad:
Seriously? Do you see the irony in you accusing him of causing trouble? Because the truth is here you are again causing trouble,but this time you are being an annoyance by talking like you're God's gift to humanity by glossing over your achievements in life,this thread isn't for that pal. Take a hint,no one would argue with you if you had stopped coming here trolling and flame baiting along time ago,you like testing people's patience for no good reason from what I can tell. If you are as wise as you believe you are then why do you keep causing trouble in this movie section? No one here at this point actually give's a damn about your life's victories. Seek attention elsewhere.
HighFivingMF
11-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Wow, if someone who has a different view and doesn't always agree with the majority train of thought is a loser, then wow thank you!!!! I'll be the first one to step out of the line all of you are in that leads to the edge of that cliff!!!! Wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you and I am confident enough to have an opinion!!! I guess all those straight a's in school I get means nothing, the pretty girls I've been with and the many adventures in my life are all in vain because I disagree with someone about a trailer regarding a comic book!!!!! Now since your so speculative, I wonder how come the mods haven't warned you since you have made an unnecessary attack on my person without any evidence to back that statement up? Where you there when I got second place in the sit up competition in my elementary school during the second grade? Is that why you are calling me a loser? Ok, well in my defense I had a big dinner the night before.
wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you about a comic book trailer. I'm so sad now, my life is over....... WHY CAN'T I APPRECIATE CAMPY FILMS JUST WHY!!!!???? :doh:
Newb.
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/coinlockerbabies/AndrewGarfield4.jpg
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 08:56 PM
Seriously? Do you see the irony in you accusing him of causing trouble? Because the truth is here you are again causing trouble,but this time you are being an annoyance by talking like you're God's gift to humanity by glossing over your achievements in life,this thread isn't for that pal. Take a hint,no one would argue with you if you had stopped coming here trolling and flame baiting along time ago,you like testing people's patience for no good reason from what I can tell. If you are as wise as you believe you are then why do you keep causing trouble in this movie section? No one here at this point actually give's a damn about your life's victories. Seek attention elsewhere.
I'm here because this is a public forum and I am voicing my opinion. I am not making random attacks to strangers. I gave you my reason why i did not like the trailer. And Here you are attacking me because I do not agree with you.
Let me reiterate
I do not like this trailer why?
a. Because it looks campy
(The part where Reynolds discusses taking off his trousers especially comes to mind)
b. The special FX do not look original
c. While I am not a fan of Hal Jordan I have known of him since most of you were in diapers, and I do not beleive the that Ryan Reynolds has convinced me that he is Hal Jordan, because his delivery comes off as Tony Stark.
D. I was hoping to become a new fan of GL because before I was entirely Marvel centric and after films like Begins and JLU I have become a DC fan as well.
E. I was not impressed, I was quite underwhelmed. This is a forum that discusses the trailer, I have yet to see the film, so I hold my doubts and opinion before I see the film, but in all honestly I do not like this trailer.
Now if I was trolling which I am not, I would just come in and say something like
THIS TRAILER SUCKS!!!
But did I do that?
No.
I explained why I did not like the trailer giving legitimate reasons. However I think you are trolling because you are attacking my character, instead of attacking the facts I have included that support why I "do not like" this trailer.
And if you do not like what I have to say, you can always ignore me.
Paradoxal
11-19-2010, 08:58 PM
Don't take this the wrong way Obake, but why don't you go use all of your worldly achievements to go do something more productive than trolling on an Internet forum?
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 09:01 PM
ObakeTora gave the teaser trailer a 1 on top of his disrespectful behavior. :o
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 09:06 PM
Don't take this the wrong way Obake, but why don't you go use all of your worldly achievements to go do something more productive than trolling on an Internet forum?
Because Jak called me a loser because I did not like the trailer.
Here is the previous post.
You're kind of a loser.
Just letting you know.
Wow, if someone who has a different view and doesn't always agree with the majority train of thought is a loser, then wow thank you!!!! I'll be the first one to step out of the line all of you are in that leads to the edge of that cliff!!!! Wow, I'm a loser because I disagree with you and I am confident enough to have an opinion!!! I guess all those straight a's in school I get means nothing, the pretty girls I've been with and the many adventures in my life are all in vain because I disagree with someone about a trailer regarding a comic book!!!!! Now since your so speculative, I wonder how come the mods haven't warned you since you have made an unnecessary attack on my person without any evidence to back that statement up? Where you there when I got second place in the sit up competition in my elementary school during the second grade? Is that why you are calling me a loser? Ok, well in my defense I had a big dinner the night before.
Why don't you be fair and attack him for the baseless claim of loser? Oh, wait, is this kind of a group mentality thing or something?
ObakeTora gave the teaser trailer a 1 on top of his disrespectful behavior. :o
I explained why I gave it a 1 in my previous posts. Now how is my behavior in anyway disrespectful? I simply do not agree with you.
The Sage
11-19-2010, 09:06 PM
I'm here because this is a public forum and I am voicing my opinion. I am not making random attacks to strangers. I gave you my reason why i did not like the trailer. And Here you are attacking me because I do not agree with you.
Let me reiterate
I do not like this trailer why?
a. Because it looks campy
(The part where Reynolds discusses taking off his trousers especially comes to mind)
I don't see how the line came across as campy. It sounded humorous and sarcastic to me.
b. The special FX do not look original
Not original in what way? What exactly were you expecting?
c. While I am not a fan of Hal Jordan I have known of him since most of you were in diapers, and I do not beleive the that Ryan Reynolds has convinced me that he is Hal Jordan, because his delivery comes off as Tony Stark.
Which lines are these? I may not have lived as long as you have but I've been reading the latest run of GL since Geoff Johns jumped on back in 2005, read Secret Origins as well as Emerald Dawn. I didn't see much of a problem with his delivery or that they resembled Stark's.
Also, you said you were hoping to become a new fan of GL, but before that you said you've known Hal Jordan longer than we have. I'd think if you've known him since we were in diapers that you'd be a fan already, so I'm confused...
Paradoxal
11-19-2010, 09:11 PM
Because Jak called me a loser because I did not like the trailer.
Hmmm I would think your experience would give you the capacity to ignore such attacks. Perhaps not.
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 09:16 PM
Look Obake,just because this is a public forum it doesn't give you the right to deliberately piss people off by constantly bashing the movie and being offensive on purpose,you have made it clear that you weren't a fan of GL to begin with. Smart haters share their negativity in a respectful manner in a thread once and then leave,you're being abusive.
Paradoxal
11-19-2010, 09:19 PM
Look Obake,just because this is a public forum it doesn't give you the right to deliberately piss people off by constantly bashing the movie and being offensive on purpose,you have made it clear that you weren't a fan of GL to begin with. Smart haters share their negativity in a respectful manner in a thread once and then leave.
This!
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 09:19 PM
Hmmm I would think your experience would give you the capacity to ignore such attacks. Perhaps not.
I ignored this post! :)
Look Obake,just because this is a public forum it doesn't give you the right to deliberately piss people off by constantly bashing the movie and being offensive on purpose,you have made it clear that you weren't a fan of GL to begin with. Smart haters share their negativity in a respectful manner in a thread once and then leave,you're being abusive.
Who is trying to piss people off? Like I said before, I gave legitimate reasons as to why I do not like this trailer. Your just angry because I did not assign myself to your mob mentality. So whats a respectful manner to you then? I'm not the one calling people losers! Search my posts here and show me any evidence where I deliberately attacked someone's character or made a casual comment about something and left! The search button is on the top right in the blue margin!
Now this is the right way to respond to criticism.! Thanks Sage!
I don't see how the line came across as campy. It sounded humorous and sarcastic to me.
It was the way he delivered it, it was very stale and unoriginal. It's like his acting is just recycled performances he has used from previous films. I guess if I was in charge of directing a trailer that tells the story of one of the most beloved characters in the comic universe, I would have not included that line in the trailer. I would have kept it exclusively in the film. I just can't see Hal Jordan saying that. I always thought he was a very serious person, and in my opinion it contrasts the tone of the film. How can I explain that I got a "Steel" vibe, remember that film?
Not original in what way? What exactly were you expecting?
Something that would blow me away. These types of FX are so overused, and I was hoping since there was so much love for this character we would see something original, it doesn't have to look like Avatar, but does it always have to look like all the other sci-fi films?
Which lines are these? I may not have lived as long as you have but I've been reading the latest run of GL since Geoff Johns jumped on back in 2005, read Secret Origins as well as Emerald Dawn. I didn't see much of a problem with his delivery or that they resembled Stark's.
I wish there was a word in the English language, but the music when the trailer began reminded me of the first Ironman trailer. I guess I was expecting original orchestra music, that helped the audience feel the internal struggle of the hero. The music wasnt the only thing that made think of Ironman, it was this overall playboy mentality vibe I got from Reynold's interpretation of the character. Now I could be wrong, but from my opinion, the viewer who has little knowledge of the GL character, I would think this is trying too hard to be Ironman. I hope the movie proves me wrong as I have come to appreciate the DC universe.
Btw, I remember, I have an original copy of Emerald Dawn, and I recall feeling the pain of the character, and overwhelmed by the responsibility given to him. It just seemed so serious the time when I first read it.
The Sage
11-19-2010, 09:30 PM
Now this is how to respond to criticism.
It was the way he delivered it, it was very stale and unoriginal. It's like his acting is just recycled performances he has used from previous films. I guess if I was in charge of directing a trailer that tells the story of one of the most beloved characters in the comic universe, I would have not included that line in the trailer. I would have kept it exclusively in the film. I just can't see Hal Jordan saying that. I always thought he was a very serious person, and in my opinion it contrasts the tone of the film. How can I explain that I got a "Steel" vibe, remember that film?
Well I haven't seen much beyond two or three movies that Reynolds has been in--which doesn't include Van Wilder--so I'm in the dark on that and I'm guessing for some that'll be an issue. But for some actors that's a constant, and I didn't have a problem with that.
I'd have to see the line within the context to really say if it's something Hal would say, but this is the same guy who asked the nurse at hospital in Emerald Dawn if she can keep the room from spinning after he was the driver in a DUI accident. So for me it wasn't that farfetched.
Something that would blow me away. These types of FX are so overused, and I was hoping since there was so much love for this character we would see something original, it doesn't have to look like Avatar, but does it always have to look like all the other sci-fi films?
I wasn't blown away that much but I liked what I saw.
Which effects are you referring to? The flying ones? The look of OA? The flying fist?
I think some science fiction films will share a common appearance based on the story. For me, I got a bit of a Star Wars vibe when they revealed OA, which I'm fine with because that's one of the stories that GL reminds me of.
I wish there was a word in the English language, but the music when the trailer began reminded me of the first Ironman trailer. I guess I was expecting original orchestra music, that helped the audience feel the internal struggle of the hero. The music wasnt the only thing that made think of Ironman, it was this overall playboy mentality vibe I got from Reynold's interpretation of the character. Now I could be wrong, but from my opinion, the viewer who has little knowledge of the GL character, I would think this is trying too hard to be Ironman. I hope the movie proves me wrong as I have come to appreciate the DC universe.
I don't agree with the playboy vibe view completely because Hal is a bit of a womanizer, but I agree about the music that started the trailer. I thought starting it with rock music was a bad idea. While Green Lantern in tone is similar to Iron Man, copying that intro wasn't good. Green Lantern doesn't need that, as mythos are more epic in scope.
Doc Samson
11-19-2010, 09:35 PM
I don't think it's that, it's more a case of people wanting the material taken seriously. Cliched dialog and cheesy one liners come across as treating the characters lightly, I think more just want a mature interpretation, one that doesn't treat it's audience like a bunch of 10 year old kids, which isn't an unreasonable request. Not saying something can't have humour, but when it's pushed to the forefront in the trailers it makes the film look childish. Not saying you can't have humour in a superhero film, TDK had humour but it was within the context of the story.
Agreed. Like I stated previously, some of the dialogue seems to be there just for the sole purpose of providing comic relief, which is fine when it at least comes across natural and not forced.
There just appears to be a certain quota when it comes to comic films that is more readily apparent now that we get 2-3 every year. I can't speak to the current GL books, but the stuff I grew up with wasn't really playful, in the sense of one-liners or hokey banter.
The fun came from the adventure itself, the scale of the stories told, and the fun characters he came across. I feel that should be sufficient material for a summer blockbuster, without needing to have any campy elements added. It's not about treating it morbidly serious, it's about not treating it like your making excuses for what it is by poking fun at it's own absurdity
nocomics
11-19-2010, 09:38 PM
I have to admit I was kindof disappointed in the trailer it just didn't catch my enthusiasm. I don't know if its Ryan Reynold or something else it just seemed liked it was going for that Fantastic Four vibe to me. I'll still go see it maybe it will be better,but not exactly overly enthused though.
ObakeTora
11-19-2010, 09:43 PM
Well I haven't seen much beyond two or three movies that Reynolds has been in--which doesn't include Van Wilder--so I'm in the dark on that and I'm guessing for some that'll be an issue. But for some actors that's a constant, and I didn't have a problem with that.
You have a point, but I have seen Van Wilder, and to me, he isnt GL. I really liked his idea of the Flash especially with all of those ideals he was throwing around(assuming he would play the role of Wally West). But I will give ther movie a chance, besides remember Punisher Warzone? Great trailer, rotten film. Maybe this will be reversed.
I'd have to see the line within the context to really say if it's something Hal would say, but this is the same guy who asked the nurse at hospital in Emerald Dawn if she can keep the room from spinning after he was the driver in a DUI accident. So for me it wasn't that farfetched.
DUI accident? Woa, I have to go dig into that huge stack of comic books in my garage to read that. But it just could have been excluded in the trailer, fast forward to 0:24 of the trailer on Youtube. He just comes off so cheesy!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wasn't blown away that much but I liked what I saw.
Which effects are you referring to? The flying ones? The look of OA? The flying fist?
I would say I was underwhelmed when I saw the flying fist. It should have been shot at a different angle for a surprise effect.
I think some science fiction films will share a common appearance based on the story. For me, I got a bit of a Star Wars vibe when they revealed OA, which I'm fine with because that's one of the stories that GL reminds me of.
the last 3 star wars episodes I assume. It just seems like special fx is quickly becoming a lost art. Everybody relies solely on cgi now, it's just become the norm. Back in the day they treated these fx like art. If you could just feel the way we all did when we saw Return of the Jedi, especially the dog fighting scenes, I guess my complaint encompasses all of Hollywood. But all these films are really starting to look the same.
I don't agree with the playboy vibe view completely because Hal is a bit of a womanizer, but I agree about the music that started the trailer. I thought starting it with rock music was a bad idea. While Green Lantern in tone is similar to Iron Man, copying that intro wasn't good. Green Lantern doesn't need that, as mythos are more epic in scope.
Thats the point I was trying to make. Thank you!!!!!
The Sage
11-19-2010, 09:52 PM
You have a point, but I have seen Van Wilder, and to me, he isnt GL. I really liked his idea of the Flash especially with all of those ideals he was throwing around(assuming he would play the role of Wally West). But I will give ther movie a chance, besides remember Punisher Warzone? Great trailer, rotten film. Maybe this will be reversed.
Another example is Wolverine. Great trailer, weak film. Argh...
I understand your's and everyone's criticisms towards Reynolds as GL, and I was taken aback by the casting originally. But besides me not seeing him in that many films, I heard that he was good in serious roles as well, so that what's making me willing to wait and see what he'll do.
the last 3 star wars episodes I assume.
Pretty much.
It just seems like special fx is quickly becoming a lost art. Everybody relies solely on cgi now, it's just become the norm. Back in the day they treated these fx like art. If you could just feel the way we all did when we saw Return of the Jedi, especially the dog fighting scenes, I guess my complaint encompasses all of Hollywood. But all these films are really starting to look the same.
Truth. I remember comparing Terminator 2 to Terminator 3, and how the latter used CGI smoke instead of stunt smoke like the original and it was so obvious that it was generated.
I think GL's a character where the CGI approach nowadays can apply. The flying fist looked okay, but it might look different in a few months or not. There's even talk that part of the reason for it's appearance is that it's an early construct of Hal's, and the more experience he becomes with the ring, the more solid and smoother his constructs become. We'll see if that plays out.
Thats the point I was trying to make. Thank you!!!!!
No problem. I think honestly everyone would agree with it. :up:
S.A.A.D.
11-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Yeah special effects are being used more,but it could be much worse,the amount of times that they are being used in movies per year that is. This movie looking like all of the other sci-fi movies is one of the most dumbest and weakest complaints that I have ever heard,you didn't give examples of movies or even say what makes it look like them Obake,it sounds like a cheap shot. You got to consider the fact that sometimes there can be a reasonable explanation as to why some certain movie have to rely on special effects. If you can't tell the difference between how this movie and other sci-fi movies look then I don't know what to say about that,it's not exactly fair to complain about a bunch of movies using special effects when you don't know what the motive or motives for them being used are. This is coming from someone who get's annoyed by movies that pointlessly use CGI from time to time. @ Okbake,to me it sounds like you wanted new special effects invented and used in the movie,and as for the rock music being used in the teaser trailer,people love mainstream and popular music like that,so you should blame them for it being used. At least the filmmakers didn't insert rap music.
Marvin
11-20-2010, 12:37 AM
In front of harry potter, the cgi didn't look half bad. I'm sure it will look even better on the big screen in 7 months. Got a pretty good reaction from the crowd too.
of course not as good as it would have gotten if it was anything like the 3rd star trek trailer mixed in with tron....
Because Jak called me a loser because I did not like the trailer.That's not why I called you a loser.
This is why I called you a loser;
But i won't complain because you don't have imagination like me, and before I throw up Star Wars as an example of how realism and fantasy could work together in a film, I'll just say you GL fans should be pretty ticked, as this was an opportunity to do something new and original.
Sometimes I have to keep reminding myself alot of you here were born after the 80's.
You're still a loser.
phillyboy
11-20-2010, 04:36 AM
Whoa, ok. I came in here to make a comment about the trailer (loved it, by the way), but y'all seem to be in the middle of a pointless argument.... so I think I'll just leave you to it.
ultimatefan
11-20-2010, 05:14 AM
Actually i just found this:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3571/doc499dc8c9a0b519295726.jpg
So he wasn't "all cgi".
Another example of practical costuming that i'm talking about that may have worked for the GL costume is something like this:
http://www.**************.com/images/uploads/abe_sapien.jpg
It simply looks like actual skin, not a costume. A GL uniform with the same design as the cgi suit but built pracitally where it functions like one of these creature type costumes would've worked fine, and just used CGI enhancements. But there's no need to complain or second guess as long as the final product turns out good and based on the trailer i think it will.
I believe that was for the depowered Silver Surfer. The fully powered Silver Surfer was fully CGI-rendered, all that you see on screen is CGI.
The GL suit isn´t actual skin like Abe Sapien, it´s a manifestation of the ring, so it´s closer to an energy form, like the Surfer, than Sapien.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 08:39 AM
And he didn't look as good in makeup as he did as CGI as well.
sdc10
11-20-2010, 10:43 AM
I believe that was for the depowered Silver Surfer. The fully powered Silver Surfer was fully CGI-rendered, all that you see on screen is CGI.
The GL suit isn´t actual skin like Abe Sapien, it´s a manifestation of the ring, so it´s closer to an energy form, like the Surfer, than Sapien.
You also have to remember that the more "real" reynolds looks the more he is gonna clash with the cgi scenes and characters. If he was in an actual suit it would just be that much easier to tell the difference between his real outfit and a fully cgi creation like Kilowog.
The Bruce
11-20-2010, 11:13 AM
I'm from 1981 and just got into Green Lantern after Geoff started. You old guys may remember the old Green Lantern books as being amazing. But I've read reprints of the 80's stuff and it's cheesy as hell.
My biggest complaint with the trailer is how the ring looks when Abin give it to him. My Girlfriend asked if they painted the suit on him and I laughed because even as a non nerd she noticed how bad it looks. The Trailer was nice but it also doesnt give us really any story info and that will lead me to believe that the audience will be like "wow what is this going to be about, looks wierd." So yeah.
This whole bad effects thing has been blown way out of proportion.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 01:23 PM
I'm from 1981 and just got into Green Lantern after Geoff started. You old guys may remember the old Green Lantern books as being amazing. But I've read reprints of the 80's stuff and it's cheesy as hell.
The Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil run in the early 1970's was one of the best as well as controversial. I also liked the Mike Grell run. It was Joe Stanton that made it a little campier. One thing you have to understand is that over 30 years ago, the market for comic books was mostly geared for kids (we also had the comics code then). In some cases they didn't even take the artwork seriously let alone the materials used to make comics. Today there is a large demographic of adults reading comics so you can find stories talored for that group of readers.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 01:24 PM
This whole bad effects thing has been blown way out of proportion.
All I can say is that if you watched the trailer more than twice, it probably wasn't that bad (I only watched "Cowboys and Aliens once" and don't care to watch it again).
craigdbfan
11-20-2010, 01:27 PM
There's really nothing wrong with the footage.
What's brought up all this skepticism has way to do more with the shots selected and the way the trailer was made.
These are the two most off putting aspects of the trailer.
It just isn't a well made one but the footage itself is great and I'm willing to bet if a better trailer editor would have gotten his hand on this he/she would have made something that would have gotten way more praise.
Golgo-13
11-20-2010, 02:28 PM
This has Ghost Rider written all over it. Cool FX but a terribly directed movie. And does Reynolds have to act like Reynolds in every movie he's in? This guy has as much range as Keanu Reeves does. :(
protocida
11-20-2010, 02:47 PM
^"Terribly directed."
You lost me there.
Deaths Head II
11-20-2010, 02:49 PM
^"Terribly directed."
You lost me there.
Also comparing Ryan Reynolds to Keanu Reeves. :o
HighFivingMF
11-20-2010, 02:53 PM
And does Reynolds have to act like Reynolds in every movie he's in? T
You really see the same guy that screamed "OH MY GOD!!!!!!" when he saw Anna Farris with bandages around her head and fought his brother like a 12 year old? Or the same guy that talked about sticking a finger in his rear when felt "squirrley?" or the guy that confronted his Dad in a dress? Or the fat guy who confessed his love to Amy Smart in her yearbook? I don't see that guy at all. In fact, I didn't see any of those guys in any of those other roles.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 03:39 PM
I thought" Ghost Rider" was ok. Might have been released at the wrong time of the year by it was decent.
I Am The Knight
11-20-2010, 03:45 PM
This has Ghost Rider written all over it. Cool FX but a terribly directed movie. And does Reynolds have to act like Reynolds in every movie he's in? This guy has as much range as Keanu Reeves does. :(
Come on, now. MSJ vs. Martin Campbell? :o
Street Vendor
11-20-2010, 04:04 PM
I saw the trailer digitally projected yesterday. I'm a little disappointed, I don't really like the tone. I'm hoping this was just a trailer for the masses to emphasize Ryan Reynolds sense of humor; maybe the next trailer will have a more epic feel. I was really looking forward to this movie, but now I'm a little concerned.
rashad
11-20-2010, 04:04 PM
I stopped reading that comment at Ghost Rider.
dario2739
11-20-2010, 04:26 PM
I don't get all these comments about tone and criticising Ryan Reynolds for his acting!
Firstly - it's a trailer, how can you possibly work out the tone of the whole movie from a few clips?
Secondly, Hal Jordan is a test pilot, it's in his nature/character to be arrogant and cocky pre GL... look at the pilots depicted in 'The Right Stuff', most of them were the same purely because they could die any time they're testing a plane, so they live life to the full.
However, I got the sense that first half of the film will be like that, but when Hal realises the responsibility that being a Green Lantern brings he will change and take everything more seriously.
As for commenting on the direction... this is Martin Campbell we're talking about... come on, in Casino Royale and Goldeneye alone he's shown he can handle epic action! :doh:
BH/HHH
11-20-2010, 04:55 PM
I don't get all these comments about tone and criticising Ryan Reynolds for his acting!
Firstly - it's a trailer, how can you possibly work out the tone of the whole movie from a few clips?
Secondly, Hal Jordan is a test pilot, it's in his nature/character to be arrogant and cocky pre GL... look at the pilots depicted in 'The Right Stuff', most of them were the same purely because they could die any time they're testing a plane, so they live life to the full.
However, I got the sense that first half of the film will be like that, but when Hal realises the responsibility that being a Green Lantern brings he will change and take everything more seriously.
As for commenting on the direction... this is Martin Campbell we're talking about... come on, in Casino Royale and Goldeneye alone he's shown he can handle epic action! :doh:
:up: great post
This film is gonna be awesome
Golgo-13
11-20-2010, 05:18 PM
Look guys, i'm just going off of gut on this one. Reynolds is acting just like he did as Wade in XOW, and Hannibal King in Blade 3; the wise cracking jock type. Is that what Hal Jordon is all about, or is that just Reynolds doing what Reynolds does best? Yes, i'm basing this off of the trailer because that's all we have to go by. I do hope this film kicks ass, but i'm bracing myself and not getting my hopes up high....
.. Campbell is a better director than MSJ, but Edge of Darkness was a real let down.
I'm just calling it like i see it.....
MessiahDecoy123
11-20-2010, 05:33 PM
Hal Jordan is cocky, but he's not a goofball.
MessiahDecoy123
11-20-2010, 05:38 PM
I know it has been said, buuuuut...
the fan-made trailer with Nathan Fillion was a thousand times better.
it's sad really.
DieSmiling
11-20-2010, 05:57 PM
I echo the other poster who hopes the tone is meant to appeal to the masses, because generic Reynolds goofball stuff is not what I was hoping for.
It still has lots of potential, but I didn't love what I said.
And frankly, the SFX didn't look great at all. I know they aren't finished, but I'm not loving what I've seen.
Doctor Jones
11-20-2010, 06:00 PM
The fan made trailer may have been better (and using that ST music made it great) but I'd take Reynolds over Fillion any day of the week. He will always be a superhero in fan's fantasies.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 06:04 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and disregard this post if you didn't like the film because I'm not talking to you) but I remember fanboys crying something fierce when Star Trek's first full trailer came out because it wasn't that special. As a matter of fact alot of people were convinced that the public wasn't going to care and that the movie was going to tank...
I'm sorry guys but it's going to take more than a trailer that gets like 20 to 25% wrong to convince me that this movie is going to be horrible. Call me when early word say that it is bad and when the reviews say that it is bad. Right now, I've seen more good than bad so I still have hope. I'm not going to overreact.
I'll say this they do need to come out with a better cut trailer. I say drop the silly rock music nextime.
The fan made trailer may have been better (and using that ST music made it great) but I'd take Reynolds over Fillion any day of the week. He will always be a superhero in fan's fantasies.Fillion is a likable actor but he will never ever be anything but a guy in light cheesy T.V shows. I don't dislike him but he is never going to be a big star and the sooner fanboys accept that the better off they will be.
The Sage
11-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and disregard this post if you didn't like the film because I'm not talking to you) but I remember fanboys crying something fierce when Star Trek's first full trailer cam out because it wasn't that special. As a matter of fact alot of people were convinced that the public wasn't going to care and that the movie was going to tank...
I'm sorry guys but it's going to take more than a trailer that gets like 20 to 25% wrong to convince me that this movie is going to be horrible. Call me when early word say that it is bad and when the reviews say that it is bad. Right now I've seen more good than bad so I still have hope. I'm not going be overreacting.
I'll say this they do need to come out with a better cut trailer. I say drop the silly rock music nextime.
Agreed, especially the last line. :up::up::up:
The opening music's the main problem with the trailer for me.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 06:25 PM
Agreed, especially the last line. :up::up::up:
The opening music's the main problem with the trailer for me.Yep. Personally I almost always hate when rock music is used like it is in trailers.
The Bruce
11-20-2010, 06:28 PM
This whole bad effects thing has been blown way out of proportion.
Yeah kilowog looks amazing! Some of the effects are crazy. It's like hooking up with a super model and complaining about a crooked toe.
The Sage
11-20-2010, 06:34 PM
Yep. Personally I almost always hate when rock music is used like it is in trailers.
It oddly worked well in the Iron Man trailers, but perhaps part of that is because of the use of Black Sabbath's Iron Man song in them.
Parker Wayne
11-20-2010, 06:35 PM
So after saying the trailer in theaters, I can honestly say I don't see much of a problem with the CGI. Its looks really, really good on the big screen, and its only going to get better from here.
Also, I think the film's going to have a much more serious feel than the trailer led us on to believe. Just wait until the next trailer comes and we'll see it.
Golgo-13
11-20-2010, 06:50 PM
I echo the other poster who hopes the tone is meant to appeal to the masses, because generic Reynolds goofball stuff is not what I was hoping for.
It still has lots of potential, but I didn't love what I said.
And frankly, the SFX didn't look great at all. I know they aren't finished, but I'm not loving what I've seen.
How do you know the FX aren't finished? Was that clearly stated by the film makers? If so, why would they do this? A trailer is like an advertisement for their product. From a marketing standpoint, placing unfinished FX in a media that's supposed to attracted customers is like shooting one self in the foot.
On the other hand, if the fans are the ones that think the FX are unfinished, then haven't we been through this denial faze enough times by now to know that what we see, is what we'll get? I remember the same thing being claimed about The Hulk and Spider-Man movies and that turned out to be nothing more than the fans wishful thinking......:huh:
Parker Wayne
11-20-2010, 06:56 PM
How do you know the FX aren't finished? Was that clearly stated by the film makers? If so, why would they do this? A trailer is like an advertisement for their product. From a marketing standpoint, placing unfinished FX in a media that's supposed to attracted customers is like shooting one self in the foot.
On the other hand, if the fans are the ones that think the FX are unfinished, then haven't we been through this denial faze enough times by now to know that what we see, is what we'll get? I remember the same thing being claimed about The Hulk and Spider-Man movies and that turned out to be nothing more than the fans wishful thinking......:huh:
Its because no one finishes post proudction 7 months before release. There's always cutting, editing, reshoots, and other work being done to improve (and sometimes destroy) a film.
Doctor Jones
11-20-2010, 07:15 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and disregard this post if you didn't like the film because I'm not talking to you) but I remember fanboys crying something fierce when Star Trek's first full trailer came out because it wasn't that special. As a matter of fact alot of people were convinced that the public wasn't going to care and that the movie was going to tank...
I'm sorry guys but it's going to take more than a trailer that gets like 20 to 25% wrong to convince me that this movie is going to be horrible. Call me when early word say that it is bad and when the reviews say that it is bad. Right now, I've seen more good than bad so I still have hope. I'm not going to overreact.
I'll say this they do need to come out with a better cut trailer. I say drop the silly rock music nextime.
Fillion is a likable actor but he will never ever be anything but a guy in light cheesy T.V shows. I don't dislike him but he is never going to be a big star and the sooner fanboys accept that the better off they will be.
People can judge the footage of the trailer, but juding how the film will be seven months away is bull. I just love how people seem to have their crystal balls and see how this movie is going to be.
And yeah, they really do need to accept the fact he will always be the dude from Firefly or Castle. I like the guy alot, but he will always be stuck on television, maybe even ini films, but not high profile like people want him to be.
MessiahDecoy123
11-20-2010, 07:31 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and disregard this post if you didn't like the film because I'm not talking to you) but I remember fanboys crying something fierce when Star Trek's first full trailer came out because it wasn't that special. As a matter of fact alot of people were convinced that the public wasn't going to care and that the movie was going to tank...
I'm sorry guys but it's going to take more than a trailer that gets like 20 to 25% wrong to convince me that this movie is going to be horrible. Call me when early word say that it is bad and when the reviews say that it is bad. Right now, I've seen more good than bad so I still have hope. I'm not going to overreact.
I'll say this they do need to come out with a better cut trailer. I say drop the silly rock music nextime.
Fillion is a likable actor but he will never ever be anything but a guy in light cheesy T.V shows. I don't dislike him but he is never going to be a big star and the sooner fanboys accept that the better off they will be.
Yeah there are fanboy naysayer for just about every trailer but that doesn't mean the they are always wrong.
The fan-made GL trailer is better for many reasons. Not just because of Fillion.
When I saw the trailer today before Deathly hallows, I liked it much more than when I first saw it.
HighFivingMF
11-20-2010, 07:45 PM
If so, why would they do this? A trailer is like an advertisement for their product. From a marketing standpoint, placing unfinished FX in a media that's supposed to attracted customers is like shooting one self in the foot.
Because Harry Potter is their big tentpole before Green Lantern. It would be stupid NOT to advertise the movie in front of a sure blockbuster.
And to the people saying the fan trailer was better... Duh. Of course you'll think that. That trailer was made by a comic fan for comic fans. The theatrical trailer was made by the marketing team for the general public. The fan trailer also had certain advantages, such as not having to cater to people who don't know Green Lantern. It used an actor that was already a popular fan choice as Hal Jordan. Not to take away from the fan trailer, it's fantastic, but it was created for comic book fans who already wanted to see a live action Green Lantern. The new trailer was made for people who don't know what Green Lantern is to try convincing them to see Green Lantern.
MessiahDecoy123
11-20-2010, 08:04 PM
You can make a trailer that appeals to both fanboys and the general public.
I mean it's been done many times before.
The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spider-man, etc.
HighFivingMF
11-20-2010, 08:09 PM
You can make a trailer that appeals to both fanboys and the general public.
I mean it's been done many times before.
The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spider-man, etc.
I never said that you couldn't. And I'm not saying this wasn't, I know fans and non-fans that loved the trailer. I'm simply pointing out that of course fans will like the one specifically aimed at them more than the one meant to get the masses' asses in the seat.
.Rorschach.
11-20-2010, 08:13 PM
This has Ghost Rider written all over it. Cool FX but a terribly directed movie. And does Reynolds have to act like Reynolds in every movie he's in? This guy has as much range as Keanu Reeves does. :(
:doh::awesome:
S.A.A.D.
11-20-2010, 08:19 PM
This has Ghost Rider written all over it. Cool FX but a terribly directed movie. And does Reynolds have to act like Reynolds in every movie he's in? This guy has as much range as Keanu Reeves does. :(
Dude,you lost me when you said that the movie has Ghost Rider written all over it and that it's a terribly directed movie,please don't act like you have seen the whole final cut of the movie. Because you haven't. Keep your stupid statements and lies to your yourself,I'd hate to hear you explain why the teaser trailer indicates that the movie is terribly directed and how it indicates that it has Ghost Rider written all over it.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 08:20 PM
Yeah there are fanboy naysayer for just about every trailer but that doesn't mean the they are always wrong.
The fan-made GL trailer is better for many reasons. Not just because of Fillion.And one of the reasons that it was good is because it used the music from the Star Trek trailer. That awful movie about the Teenage Kirk, Spock and crew that alot of people on these very boards swore would fail...yeah.:cwink:
Fillion didn't have anything to do with how well that fake trailer was cut together. He is just another actor who nobody but fanboys give a damn about. That fake trailer could have had anyother actor. I wonder when the fanboys will get over the fact that Fillion isn't in GL and will never be a big movie or T.V star for that matter?
I'm not saying that fanboys are always wrong nor am I saying that GL's trailer is perfect. (The fake one was better) People have a right to dislike it and I respect the non hyperbolic posters (like JMC and others) who dislike it but some are acting like this is the worst trailer of all time and I just think that that is untrue. Jonah Hex had a terrible trailer, this movie just has an underwhelming one.
S.A.A.D.
11-20-2010, 08:51 PM
And one of the reasons that it was good is because it used the music from the Star Trek trailer. That awful movie about the Teenage Kirk, Spock and crew that alot of people on these very boards swore would fail...yeah.:cwink:
Fillion didn't have anything to do with how well that fake trailer was cut together. He is just another actor who nobody but fanboys give a damn about. That fake trailer could have had anyother actor. I wonder when the fanboys will get over the fact that Fillion isn't in GL and will never be a big movie or T.V star for that matter?
I'm not saying that fanboys are always wrong nor am I saying that GL's trailer is perfect. (The fake one was better) People have a right to dislike it and I respect the non hyperbolic posters (like JMC and others) who dislike it but some are acting like this is the worst trailer of all time and I just think that that is untrue. Jonah Hex had a terrible trailer, this movie just has an underwhelming one.
At this point,you lost me when you said that the teaser trailer for GL was underwhelming since you gave it an 8. Did you change your mind or did you give the teaser trailer an 8 by accident? Don't worry,I'm not going to make a deal out of it(in case you do worry).
BrollySupersj
11-20-2010, 09:01 PM
Wow, I gotta be honest. I'm totally lost as to where you guys are forming your complaints from. The trailer was just fine, and Green Lantern's costume is perfect. Now I've never read a GL comic in my life, so I'm not too accustomed to the character. But from what I have seen over the years here and there, I can say that did a great job.
thejon93
11-20-2010, 09:10 PM
I'm still a little bit on the edge about the way this movie is looking. From what I have seen in the trailer, it looks to be an average, comic-book, summer blockbuster at best. There's nothing spectacular to note, it just exists.
Seeing it a couple of hours ago, before 'Deathly Hallows', made me feel a little more positively towards it because the visual effects were much stronger to look at on the big screen than on the small screen and you had the audience there to judge whether or not the movie would work. From the reactions I heard, the movie should be entertaining. Ryan Reynolds is a likable lead, they laughed hard at his delivery of the "water in the tap" line, and it just looks to be good old-fashioned fun.
[Funniest moment in the theater was when everyone laughed when Abin-Sur first appeared. I couldn't help laughing myself after someone next to me referred to him as "fecal matter".]
S.A.A.D.
11-20-2010, 09:17 PM
I don't understand what's funny about seeing Abin Sur in the teaser trailer. :dry:
He looks nothing like fecal matter.
craigdbfan
11-20-2010, 09:17 PM
Movie Abin Sur does have a Power Ranger villain charm to him, huh?
S.A.A.D.
11-20-2010, 09:22 PM
Wrong. :cmad:
Can we please not bring up Power Rangers when it comes to the movie? It seems too much.
craigdbfan
11-20-2010, 09:25 PM
Since when have opinions been either wrong or right?
I'll bring up Power Rangers if its applicable. I'm actually not one of the complainers in fact I think design wise the movie is in the complete right direction.
All the other Lanterns including Hal look perfect. Abin Sur is the only one who's design is a little questionable.
thejon93
11-20-2010, 09:25 PM
I don't understand what's funny about seeing Abin Sur in the teaser trailer. :dry:
He looks nothing like fecal matter.
No need to take things seriously, mate. It was just the audience reaction. When hanging around with a friend, or a group of people, things that could be laughed at in any way shape or form. It's just a nerve that hits when the energy is electric. If anything, blame the trailer's editor(s).
Movie Abin Sur does have a Power Ranger villain charm to him, huh?
Sure does. :oldrazz:
craigdbfan
11-20-2010, 09:28 PM
If anything, blame the trailer's editor(s).
Yes, yes and yes.
This is by far the most glaring problem of the entire trailer. Whoever was put in charge of editing didn't do the best job in fact they did a pretty lackluster job.
Its a shame seeing as the footage itself is great. Really if seen in HD its amazing how detailed these costumes are.
Animations are still a little in the rough side but we got six months plus, right?
thejon93
11-20-2010, 09:36 PM
Yes, yes and yes.
This is by far the most glaring problem of the entire trailer. Whoever was put in charge of editing didn't do the best job in fact they did a pretty lackluster job.
Its a shame seeing as the footage itself is great. Really if seen in HD its amazing how detailed these costumes are.
Animations are still a little in the rough side but we got six months plus, right?
100% agree with you here. In the theater today, and after re-watching the trailer online in HD, I noticed that Hal's suit actually breathes; especially during the scene where he reveals to his friend the suit ("I know, right?!"). There are some great images on the table here.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 09:37 PM
At this point,you lost me when you said that the teaser trailer for GL was underwhelming since you gave it an 8. Did you change your mind or did you give the teaser trailer an 8 by accident? Don't worry,I'm not going to make a deal out of it(in case you do worry).That was definately the wrong word to discribe my feelings about the trailer. I should have said it had a very good but not super great trailer.
S.A.A.D.
11-20-2010, 09:40 PM
That was definately the wrong word to discribe my feelings about the trailer. I should have said it had a very good but not super great trailer.
Got it.
I Am The Knight
11-20-2010, 10:01 PM
Because Harry Potter is their big tentpole before Green Lantern. It would be stupid NOT to advertise the movie in front of a sure blockbuster.
And to the people saying the fan trailer was better... Duh. Of course you'll think that. That trailer was made by a comic fan for comic fans. The theatrical trailer was made by the marketing team for the general public. The fan trailer also had certain advantages, such as not having to cater to people who don't know Green Lantern. It used an actor that was already a popular fan choice as Hal Jordan. Not to take away from the fan trailer, it's fantastic, but it was created for comic book fans who already wanted to see a live action Green Lantern. The new trailer was made for people who don't know what Green Lantern is to try convincing them to see Green Lantern.
Agreed. Took da words outta my keyboard :yay:
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 10:05 PM
I had no idea that GL's trailer would be so controversal. I just never thought that it would be. Oh well, never overestimate Hype.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 10:06 PM
That's only a small minority that are complaining. It's really not that controversial.
And one of the reasons that it was good is because it used the music from the Star Trek trailer. That awful movie about the Teenage Kirk, Spock and crew that alot of people on these very boards swore would fail...yeah.:cwink:
Fillion didn't have anything to do with how well that fake trailer was cut together. He is just another actor who nobody but fanboys give a damn about. That fake trailer could have had anyother actor. I wonder when the fanboys will get over the fact that Fillion isn't in GL and will never be a big movie or T.V star for that matter?
I'm not saying that fanboys are always wrong nor am I saying that GL's trailer is perfect. (The fake one was better) People have a right to dislike it and I respect the non hyperbolic posters (like JMC and others) who dislike it but some are acting like this is the worst trailer of all time and I just think that that is untrue. Jonah Hex had a terrible trailer, this movie just has an underwhelming one.
It's nowhere near the worst trailer ever seen, far from it, it just missing the 'wow' factor, it almost feels too safe, like they've gone to the 'How To Market A Superhero Movie' handbook and followed the checklist. Perhaps it's a case of WB not knowing exactly how to market the character. I dunno, I just thought there would be more focus on the ring and what it can do because that's what sets GL apart from other heroes, and we didn't really get any of that, we got a lot of flying around and ring pointing.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 10:11 PM
I know it's not the majority but it's a hell of alot more whinning about this trailer than other trailers. For instance, Iron Man 2's trailer didn't get this many "against."
It's nowhere near the worst trailer ever seen, far from it, it just missing the 'wow' factor, it almost feels too safe, like they've gone to the 'How To Market A Superhero Movie' handbook and followed the checklist. Perhaps it's a case of WB not knowing exactly how to market the character. I dunno, I just thought there would be more focus on the ring and what it can do because that's what sets GL apart from other heroes, and we didn't really get any of that, we got a lot of flying around and ring pointing.I get you but...this isn't going to be the films only trailer. It would have been nice if they had shown more of what the ring did (or if Blake Lively wasn't in it) but I guess this just wasn't that trailer.
Lets look at the first Star Trek trailer (I don't know if you care for the film and it doesn't matter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjYsYgWnvT8
It's a good enough trailer but nothing out of this world great and maybe even a little corny.
Lets look at the second one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXIDAEUTaYc
Thats a wow trailer. The music is excellent, it looks exciting, big and emotional. (Don't kill me Trek fans but I think that the trailer is better than the film)
Deaths Head II
11-20-2010, 10:18 PM
I had no idea that GL's trailer would be so controversal. I just never thought that it would be. Oh well, never overestimate Hype.
Yeah me neither. I figured the fans would get behind this film the most out of all the Summer 2011 superhero films.
I know it's not the majority but it's a hell of alot more whinning about this trailer than other trailers. For instance, Iron Man 2's trailer didn't get this many ''against.''
It does seem to be a louder group that's for certain.
Yeah me neither. I figured the fans would get behind this film the most out of all the Summer 2011 superhero films.
I actually thought it'd be Cap Am, most of you guys being from the States and all.
I Am The Knight
11-20-2010, 10:21 PM
It's nowhere near the worst trailer ever seen, far from it, it just missing the 'wow' factor, it almost feels too safe, like they've gone to the 'How To Market A Superhero Movie' handbook and followed the checklist. Perhaps it's a case of WB not knowing exactly how to market the character. I dunno, I just thought there would be more focus on the ring and what it can do because that's what sets GL apart from other heroes, and we didn't really get any of that, we got a lot of flying around and ring pointing.
There is time for that. I'm sure the next trailer will have some nice construct action. WB has always been extra cautious about their superheroes. This you know. I'm glad we got a trailer that didn't have all the money shots and didn't show every major beat in the movie, action and story-wise. It's cool to have something to look forward to, knowing that there's so much more we haven't seen. This is mostly a trailer to tell the GA that this movie exists.
I know it's not the majority but it's a hell of alot more whinning about this trailer than other trailers. For instance, Iron Man 2's trailer didn't get this many "against."
I think that might have to do with the fact that people more or less knew what to expect from an IM movie, and that's exactly what we got with those trailers. Armor action, War Machine, Stark being RDJ, all that stuff. I know I was getting some serious Spider-Man 3 vibes from the IM2 trailers, but thankfully, the movie wasn't much like SM3. it just wasn't great, either.
It seems that with GL, there was a lot of people who more or less made up their minds about the film with the ET preview. And once we got the trailer people didn't know what to make of it for some reason.
dnno1
11-20-2010, 10:24 PM
I know it's not the majority but it's a hell of alot more whinning about this trailer than other trailers. For instance, Iron Man 2's trailer didn't get this many "against."
You've got no facts behind that statement. It seems like 1 out of every 10 has some type of negative comment (i.e. don't like) about the trailer (at least from those who care to take a poll on the internet). That's a minority. This couldn't be as bad as the reaction from posters on films like "Catwoman" and "Justice League: Mortal". You're stretching the facts here.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 10:24 PM
I get you but...this isn't going to be the films only trailer. It would have been nice if they had shown more of what the ring did (or if Blake Lively wasn't in it) but I guess this just wasn't that trailer.
Lets look at the first Star Trek trailer (I don't know if you care for the film and it doesn't matter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjYsYgWnvT8
It's a good enough trailer but nothing out of this world great and maybe even a little corny.
Lets look at the second one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXIDAEUTaYc
Thats a wow trailer. The music is excellent, it looks exciting, big and emotional. (Don't kill me Trek fans but I think that the trailer is better than the film)I quoted this because I wanted more people to actually see the point I was making without going back to the other page.
Deaths Head II
11-20-2010, 10:26 PM
I actually thought it'd be Cap Am, most of you guys being from the States and all.
A couple of months ago the Cap forums were excessively negative due the news of Joe Johnston directing, the costume being changed from the classic 616 outfit, and the actor being age appropriate for a WWII soldier instead of being a 40+ year old. Now that seemed to have completely reversed after the Cap photos were released as well as the GL trailer. Now you have people posting that Chris Evans as Cap photo to show how they should have handled GL's costume...
There is time for that. I'm sure the next trailer will have some nice construct action. WB has always been extra cautious about their superheroes. This you know. I'm glad we got a trailer that didn't have all the money shots and didn't show every major beat in the movie, action and story-wise. It's cool to have something to look forward to, knowing that there's so much more we haven't seen. This is mostly a trailer to tell the GA that this movie exists.
Yeah I get that you shouldn't put all the money shots in the trailer, but you should still have something. I actually think a better trailer would have been if we see Hal use the ring for the first time to construct something. I dunno what the context is of that scene where Hal is getting beaten up by those thugs (where he constructs the giant fist) but if that's one of the first times he uses the ring I think a 1min teaser based on that plus a scene with him transforming into the GL costume would have created a better sense of 'whoa WTF?' than the 2 1/2 min intro we got.
Sub-Zero
11-20-2010, 10:28 PM
I actually thought it'd be Cap Am, most of you guys being from the States and all.
who knows. gl is really the only one milking the media at the moment. it won the most anticipated movie of 2011 at the scream awards, ryan reynolds was voted sexiest man for one of the magazines, and full length trailer is already out. i really don't think the masses even know a capt. america movie is coming out.
cap looks like a throw back to 80s adventure movies like raiders of the lost ark, which isn't a bad thing. gl's kinda riding iron man's coattails with the whole cocky womanizer finds the errors of his ways when he's bestowed with great power. cap may seem slightly more appealing to some. i'd rather have an space adventure than one in nazi germany.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-20-2010, 10:30 PM
A couple of months ago the Cap forums were excessively negative due the news of Joe Johnston directing, the costume being changed from the classic 616 outfit, and the actor being age appropriate for a WWII soldier instead of being a 40+ year old. Now that seemed to have completely reversed after the Cap photos were released as well as the GL trailer. Now you have people posting that Chris Evans as Cap photo to show how they should have handled GL's costume...You hit the nail on the head sir and show why Superhero Hype's messageboards can be so retarded sometimes.
craigdbfan
11-20-2010, 10:32 PM
I think where we can all find some sort of middle ground on this trailer business is that the second one needs to be far more refined and focused.
I hope WB marketing/Campbell/trailer editor will give us a much better second trailer on the scale of Star Trek's second trailer which is amazing, one of the best trailers made in recent memory.
Again a high bar to meet but it defintely sets the standard.
I Am The Knight
11-20-2010, 10:39 PM
Yeah I get that you shouldn't put all the money shots in the trailer, but you should still have something. I actually think a better trailer would have been if we see Hal use the ring for the first time to construct something. I dunno what the context is of that scene where Hal is getting beaten up by those thugs (where he constructs the giant fist) but if that's one of the first times he uses the ring I think a 1min teaser based on that plus a scene with him transforming into the GL costume would have created a better sense of 'whoa WTF?' than the 2 1/2 min intro we got.
It is my understanding that it's an extension of the Hal sleeping with the girl incident shown at the beginning of the trailer. So yep, it's supposed to be one of the first times he uses the ring if I remember correctly...
dnno1
11-20-2010, 10:55 PM
Yeah I get that you shouldn't put all the money shots in the trailer, but you should still have something. I actually think a better trailer would have been if we see Hal use the ring for the first time to construct something. I dunno what the context is of that scene where Hal is getting beaten up by those thugs (where he constructs the giant fist) but if that's one of the first times he uses the ring I think a 1min teaser based on that plus a scene with him transforming into the GL costume would have created a better sense of 'whoa WTF?' than the 2 1/2 min intro we got.
This post doesn't make sense to me. You say that a better trailer would be one where the guy uses his ring for the first time to construct something when he actually did in the trailer and then you admit that he did while denying that you knew the context of the scene where he actually made a construct (a giant fist) for the first time :huh:.
Had it been six months to a year ago, a teaser trailer with minimal scenes might have been plausible, but now that the cat was out of the bag about what was shown to fans at the San Diego Comicon, I think that the producers owed it to a lot of folks (the rest of us basically who didn't get to go) to present the clips that were shown there in this current trailer. Even then, what was shown, although telling a story that most of us comic book fans already know, is only a fraction of what will be in the film. Expect subsequent trailers to expand on that and also different faccets of the film (the Cadmus angle, the Guradians of the Universe, the entire GL corps assembling). This is why this was just a tease. It wasn't meant to satisfy you, but only to get you wanting more.
Soapy
11-20-2010, 11:15 PM
I'm certainly not going to judge the movie based on this trailer alone, but it makes the movie look sooo....what's the word I'm looking for?....dopey. There it is.
I really wasn't impressed by the trailer much at all. Sinestro looked awesome though.
I've watched the trailer several more times, and I take this back. For the most part. Some parts I'm still very iffy on, but other pieces look incredible.
This post doesn't make sense to me. You say that a better trailer would be one where the guy uses his ring for the first time to construct something when he actually did in the trailer and then you admit that he did while denying that you knew the context of the scene where he actually made a construct (a giant fist) for the first time :huh:.
Clearly I'm talking about more of that scene or a scene like it being the introduction to the character. Start scene with the alley fight, make it look like some normal action film, Hal getting his arse kicked, then wham, ring in action, some quick cut scenes of it constructing a fist and various other things, shot of Hal looking like 'WTF?', cut to title, short clip of Hal transforming into the GL suit, a bit of a voice over, coming July 2011, bingo, you've got a snappy trailer that shows what the ring can do. Sorry if you don't get it.
Had it been six months to a year ago, a teaser trailer with minimal scenes might have been plausible, but now that the cat was out of the bag about what was shown to fans at the San Diego Comicon, I think that the producers owed it to a lot of folks (the rest of us basically who didn't get to go) to present the clips that were shown there in this current trailer. Even then, what was shown, although telling a story that most of us comic book fans already know, is only a fraction of what will be in the film. Expect subsequent trailers to expand on that and also different faccets of the film (the Cadmus angle, the Guradians of the Universe, the entire GL corps assembling). This is why this was just a tease. It wasn't meant to satisfy you, but only to get you wanting more.
Here's the thing, it didn't get me wanting more. And you know what? What you described is exactly how it should have gone down, a teaser trailer a couple months back using something along the lines of what I suggested.
DACrowe
11-21-2010, 12:53 AM
Well, hopefully the next trailer is really good. I was left ambivalent about it. But the only people I see excited about it are fans on the interwebs. Everyone I talked to after we saw HP thought it looked lame and redundant. That is not a good sign when it has to compete with three other superhero movies next summer, plus another Transformers movie (yawn), and the final Harry Potter movie. That is a lot of competition and it needs to distinguish itself very quickly.
The Guard
11-21-2010, 01:21 AM
Just came back from HARRY POTTER.
The GREEN LANTERN trailer does indeed look so, so much better on the bigscreen. The effects, even the acting, even Lively, look better. Maybe it's that they've pushed in on the faces and some of the subleties are lost on the smallscreen, but I rather enjoyed watching it.
I SEE SPIDEY
11-21-2010, 03:26 AM
Watched the trailer again and I still very much enjoy it but you know something that I don't care for? That green TDK style fire logo. I know the movie was a giant hit but WB should let GL's movie have it's own idenity and shouldn't compare it to their other huge franchise. Thats not going to help it's boxoffice anyway, people will only be judging this film, not TDK. Anyway, sorry but that just really irked me this time.
Positives:
Ryan Reynolds looks great in the funny and serious scenes
Sinestro actually doesn't look silly. A surprise because the various drawings I've seen of him came off as too silly for my taste. Also, the rest of the Aliens look pretty good.
The interplanetary/space stuff looks big and awesome.
GL looks like he is going to save a kid. I don't know what it is but I love when Superheros save kids. Oddly enough I didn't care for the kid stuff in Batman Begins though.
After the trailer turns serious the music sounds pretty damn good.
Looks like there is going to be alot of flying. Yay!
Ryan Reynolds is going to be half naked. Yay!
Negatives:
Blake Lively looks like she is stinking up the place, Katie Holmes style.
The rock music at the first part seems desperate and silly.
And I'm not sure about that villain. A big headed mutant guy? Really? I like the actor so I'll give it a go.
The CGI looks wonky but it's Sony image works so thats to be expected. The best thing they have done is Spider-Man 2 which I thought had great special effects. And I'm still not sure about the suit being CGI...
Overall, I'm still on the bandwagon. Looking forward to more footage!
Octoberist
11-21-2010, 03:37 AM
I rewatched the trailer again when I saw Harry Potter, and yes I agree, there's flaws but there's also a lot to like too.
BH/HHH
11-21-2010, 04:56 AM
Blake Lively does seem a little off in the trailer but I think part of it might be because they have obviously cut her line in the middle to shorten it down so it doesn't quite come out right. I'll reserve judgement until I see her in the film but tbh like Katie Holmes in Batman begins I dont really care if she's crap in it she's not the reason I'm watching.
Watched the trailer again and I still very much enjoy it but you know something that I don't care for? That green TDK style fire logo. I know the movie was a giant hit but WB should let GL's movie have it's own idenity and shouldn't compare it to their other huge franchise. Thats not going to help it's boxoffice anyway, people will only be judging this film, not TDK. Anyway, sorry but that just really irked me this time.
100% correct. Blatant rip off if ever there was one.
It's the same marketing company so it's not so much a rip off as it is just reusing the same idea.
TheComicbookKid
11-21-2010, 08:31 AM
I quoted this because I wanted more people to actually see the point I was making without going back to the other page.
You know what those trailers made me realize(even looking at Iron Man's teaser), they were better at establishing their heroes personalities. GL's trailer has Reynolds taking about not being fearless, but that isn't really shown in the trailer. He bangs some chick then flys a plane giving some vocieover about something better over the horizon. I think they needed to establish the stuff with his father's death to anchor the trailer.
Kirk's behavior is established by the kid and Pike's speech. Tony's as well with the flippant Merchant of Death line to the Jericho test before the " I should have been dead."
S.A.A.D.
11-21-2010, 08:46 AM
Watched the trailer again and I still very much enjoy it but you know something that I don't care for? That green TDK style fire logo. I know the movie was a giant hit but WB should let GL's movie have it's own idenity and shouldn't compare it to their other huge franchise. Thats not going to help it's boxoffice anyway, people will only be judging this film, not TDK. Anyway, sorry but that just really irked me this time.
Positives:
Ryan Reynolds looks great in the funny and serious scenes
Sinestro actually doesn't look silly. A surprise because the various drawings I've seen of him came off as too silly for my taste. Also, the rest of the Aliens look pretty good.
The interplanetary/space stuff looks big and awesome.
GL looks like he is going to save a kid. I don't know what it is but I love when Superheros save kids. Oddly enough I didn't care for the kid stuff in Batman Begins though.
After the trailer turns serious the music sounds pretty damn good.
Looks like there is going to be alot of flying. Yay!
Ryan Reynolds is going to be half naked. Yay!
Negatives:
Blake Lively looks like she is stinking up the place, Katie Holmes style.
The rock music at the first part seems desperate and silly.
And I'm not sure about that villain. A big headed mutant guy? Really? I like the actor so I'll give it a go.
The CGI looks wonky but it's Sony image works so thats to be expected. The best thing they have done is Spider-Man 2 which I thought had great special effects. And I'm still not sure about the suit being CGI...
Overall, I'm still on the bandwagon. Looking forward to more footage!
That dude(Hector Hammond) with a big head,there is a reason for it,he was infected by something. That's how it went down in the GL comic. And his head is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger in the comics than it is in the movie.
S.A.A.D.
11-21-2010, 09:07 AM
Just came back from HARRY POTTER.
The GREEN LANTERN trailer does indeed look so, so much better on the bigscreen. The effects, even the acting, even Lively, look better. Maybe it's that they've pushed in on the faces and some of the subleties are lost on the smallscreen, but I rather enjoyed watching it.
I agree,I thought that Oa looked way more awesome up there on the big screen. :woot:
S.A.A.D.
11-21-2010, 09:11 AM
Well, hopefully the next trailer is really good. I was left ambivalent about it. But the only people I see excited about it are fans on the interwebs. Everyone I talked to after we saw HP thought it looked lame and redundant. That is not a good sign when it has to compete with three other superhero movies next summer, plus another Transformers movie (yawn), and the final Harry Potter movie. That is a lot of competition and it needs to distinguish itself very quickly.
I don't think that it's a big deal since most people who saw the teaser trailer dig it in general from what I have gathered. And yes I get that you just wanted to explain how the reaction was from your side of the fence,and those guys don't get it either.
S.A.A.D.
11-21-2010, 09:13 AM
It's the same marketing company so it's not so much a rip off as it is just reusing the same idea.
It's silly(the complaint about the smoke),it's not like that part is only allowed to extend it's self to a Batman movie.
The Sage
11-21-2010, 11:56 AM
Unless that smoke bumper--or whatever it's called--at the end is something WB plans to have on every DC Comic superhero movie they produced...
Deaths Head II
11-21-2010, 12:10 PM
Unless that smoke bumper--or whatever it's called--at the end is something WB plans to have on every DC Comic superhero movie they produced...
Nolan will probably come up with something different for The Dark Knight Rises so that'll probably be the end of that and the start of a new one that will be reused for the Superman film.
I Am The Knight
11-21-2010, 12:22 PM
100% correct. Blatant rip off if ever there was one.
It's the same studio, and it's another movie under the DC banner. I'm sure Nolan will be suing their arses :whatever:
That dude(Hector Hammond) with a big head,there is a reason for it,he was infected by something. That's how it went down in the GL comic. And his head is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger in the comics than it is in the movie.
Hammond's also not the movie's real villain. He's not even included in the movie's official synopsis. He's the main Earff threat, but "there is another" one out there, namely Parallax, and that's the film's main point of conflict.
Golgo-13
11-21-2010, 12:51 PM
Dude,you lost me when you said that the movie has Ghost Rider written all over it and that it's a terribly directed movie,please don't act like you have seen the whole final cut of the movie. Because you haven't. Keep your stupid statements and lies to your yourself,I'd hate to hear you explain why the teaser trailer indicates that the movie is terribly directed and how it indicates that it has Ghost Rider written all over it.
If you'd actually put aside your own delusional optomism and read my follow up post, you would have read that i said i was basing this off of a gut feeling; yes, as painful as that may be to you, i am allowed to have them. I clearly stated that i was basing this off of the trailer, and so what..it's a feeling; my feeling. Whether you like it or not....i won't loose any sleep over your hurt feelings on the matter. As far as the directing comment; nobody knew GR was going to be as bad as it was. The FX looked cool in it's trailer; as they do in the GL one, yet Cage looked 'off' as Blaze, as Reynolds looks 'off' as Hal. I see a pattern here; i'm just not as delusional as you seem to be.....
Its because no one finishes post proudction 7 months before release. There's always cutting, editing, reshoots, and other work being done to improve (and sometimes destroy) a film.
That still doesn't mean, that what we saw in the trailer is not what we'll get in the final product...:huh:
El Payaso
11-21-2010, 03:00 PM
The trailer was meh.
I'm quite afraid of these adaptations that turn everything into cheap comedy and the heroes are cool because they're womanizers and irresponsible.
In some ways it reminded me a lot of the Green Hornet teaser.
Golgo-13
11-21-2010, 03:51 PM
Not to mention, the goofy best friend/side-kick.. :rolleyes:
El Payaso
11-21-2010, 04:55 PM
Not to mention, the goofy best friend/side-kick.. :rolleyes:
Heh. :up:
protocida
11-21-2010, 04:59 PM
Not to mention, the goofy best friend/side-kick.. :rolleyes:
Yes, because superhero movies never have those...
Oh, wait.
http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/superman_returns/sam_huntington/supes1.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2005/06/13/alfred3.jpg
http://www.**************.com/images/users/gallerypictures/1594L.jpg
http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ironman2-2.jpg
:whatever:
Darkness Falls
11-21-2010, 05:05 PM
actually the problem with the trailer is just the editing
i would've started it from the plane flying bit then onwards
but this is a first trailer introducing the public to green lantern mythos... so it basically covered who hal is
protocida
11-21-2010, 05:06 PM
He's a sidekick, and he does/says goofy things.
Ergo, he's a goofy sidekick. Because that's how we roll in the Internet. In absolutes.
Golgo-13
11-21-2010, 05:10 PM
Yes, because superhero movies never have those...
Oh, wait.
:whatever:
My point completely flew over your head; :whatever: .....point being that just about every superhero movie feels the need to throw one in; to what end, i have no idea.
Excelsior.
11-21-2010, 05:15 PM
All the more reason to avoid having another one. Favreau made a smart decision making Jarvis a computer instead of yet another Butler.
protocida
11-21-2010, 05:15 PM
Because people enjoy the comedy this particular kind of supporting character brings. Besides, it is nice to have the hero interact with someone who is aware of his secrets. Not to mention IT'S IN THE COMICS.
Excelsior.
11-21-2010, 05:18 PM
Because people enjoy the comedy this particular kind of supporting character brings.
They accept it because that's what they are fed. Doesn't indicate that they enjoy it.
Deaths Head II
11-21-2010, 06:45 PM
It's hilarious because if they left out Kalmaku people would complain they're not being true to the comics.
They really can't win.
JLU51306
11-21-2010, 06:50 PM
Because people enjoy the comedy this particular kind of supporting character brings. Besides, it is nice to have the hero interact with someone who is aware of his secrets. Not to mention IT'S IN THE COMICS.
:applaud
My point completely flew over your head; :whatever: .....point being that just about every superhero movie feels the need to throw one in; to what end, i have no idea.
The movie isn't throwing anything anywhere. This character really exists in comic books.
Parker Wayne
11-21-2010, 06:58 PM
They accept it because that's what they are fed. Doesn't indicate that they enjoy it.
For god sakes many films have comic relief. Even some of the most serious films have it humorous characters or scenes.
HighFivingMF
11-21-2010, 06:59 PM
I really liked Bruce Wayne's college friend Punchey in The Dark Knight. :awesome:
DIRECTOR
11-21-2010, 07:03 PM
i'm not that familar with the GL history. Can somebody give me a brief history based on the trailer.
Does everybody know the identity of GL?
If not, who does?
In the trailer, it shows some dude/friend who knows GL, is he in the comics, what is his significance?
what powers does that "BIG HEAD" villian have?
Parker Wayne
11-21-2010, 07:06 PM
Very funny, but even Alfred provided some comic relief at times during TDK
And Joker himself provided comic relief.
HighFivingMF
11-21-2010, 07:08 PM
i'm not that familar with the GL history. Can somebody give me a brief history based on the trailer.
Does everybody know the identity of GL?
If not, who does?
In the trailer, it shows some dude/friend who knows GL, is he in the comics, what is his significance?
what powers does that "BIG HEAD" villian have?
Tom is Hal's friend at Ferris Air. If I recall correctly he's the first one to figure out that Hal is Green Lantern. Carol also knows, and he tells his younger brother, Jim. Green Lantern's identity isn't public knowledge, which is why he wears the mask on Earth and not on Oa.
And Hector Hammond has telepathic powers, he can make people do things, access their minds, live their memories, and toss planes like rocks across a lake. He's ugly too.
S.A.A.D.
11-21-2010, 07:12 PM
If you'd actually put aside your own delusional optomism and read my follow up post, you would have read that i said i was basing this off of a gut feeling; yes, as painful as that may be to you, i am allowed to have them. I clearly stated that i was basing this off of the trailer, and so what..it's a feeling; my feeling. Whether you like it or not....i won't loose any sleep over your hurt feelings on the matter. As far as the directing comment; nobody knew GR was going to be as bad as it was. The FX looked cool in it's trailer; as they do in the GL one, yet Cage looked 'off' as Blaze, as Reynolds looks 'off' as Hal. I see a pattern here; i'm just not as delusional as you seem to be.....
That still doesn't mean, that what we saw in the trailer is not what we'll get in the final product...:huh:
Delusional optimism? Unlike you I have been following the making of the movie for a long time,and I didn't see your post because I had you on ignore. You should have chosen your words carefully,lastly I don't think that you were sincere when you said that you had a gut feeling,after people complained about what you said it lead you to sort of reverse what you said. And congrats,again,you just disrespected those who are actually looking forward to the movie,it is very obvious that I am not the only person who is optimistic about the Green Lantern movie. :whatever:
I'm not optimistic about the movie just for the sake of it at all. Know the facts before saying such a thing,the reason that I am optimistic about the movie is because I think that alot of good choices have been made,I actually thought things through. And I'm a fan of the source material that the movie is based on on the other hand. My reasons are very basic despite your lack of understanding pertaining to why I am apparently delusional yet optimistic about the movie. I got gripes,but the amount of them that I have aren't enough or strong enough to destroy the optimism that I have regarding the GL movie.
So remember this,having optimism=delusional optimism
Weadazoid
11-21-2010, 07:15 PM
i'm not that familar with the GL history. Can somebody give me a brief history based on the trailer.
Does everybody know the identity of GL?
If not, who does?
In the trailer, it shows some dude/friend who knows GL, is he in the comics, what is his significance?
what powers does that "BIG HEAD" villian have?
Heavy Telekentic powers he is kinda like the "Leader' in the Hulk IMO.... but not quite as smart.
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