Trailer

[The Bruce]

You guys should check out their homepage Sony Image Works (http://www.imageworks.com/)did the effects for movies I didn't even know was them.

[Hellmistress]

Actually i just found this:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3571/doc499dc8c9a0b519295726.jpg

So he wasn't "all cgi".

Another example of practical costuming that i'm talking about that may have worked for the GL costume is something like this:

http://www.**************.com/images/uploads/abe_sapien.jpg

It simply looks like actual skin, not a costume. A GL uniform with the same design as the cgi suit but built pracitally where it functions like one of these creature type costumes would've worked fine, and just used CGI enhancements. But there's no need to complain or second guess as long as the final product turns out good and based on the trailer i think it will.

Hi Daybreak,

Sorry for the late reply, but I've just noticed the comments here. You are absolutely right - the Surfer was NOT completely CG, but a prosthetic suit designed by Jose Fernandez and created by the Oscar-nominated team at Spectral Motion. It took over 2 hours to get Doug made up as the Surfer, and what you see on film is Doug in the suit, with a metallic sheen added at the end by WETA. This pic you have here is my good friend Thom Floutz applying the makeup around Doug's eyes. Spectral Motion and Jose Fernandez also created Doug's design for Abe Sapien in HELLBOY & HELLBOY II, for which Mike Elizalde and Thom Floutz of Spectral were Oscar-nominated. Thom was Doug's makeup artist on both of those films, and also worked with him on the Surfer. I run Doug's site and posted these pictures with full permission of Mike Elizalde, so I can assure you with good authority that the info is utterly correct in every way.

Thanks for posting the pic! :D

HM

[dnno1]

So, Hellmistress, you wouldn't be at liberty to say how much all that time spent on make-up cost compared to the work on the CGI are you?

[Hellmistress]

So, Hellmistress, you wouldn't be at liberty to say how much all that time spent on make-up cost compared to the work on the CGI are you?

As far as I'm aware, Fox spent a HUMUNGOUS amount of money on bringing the Surfer to life, both for the prosthetic design and WETA Digital's enhancement. I think Fox was more concerned that the fans would be disappointed with a 'man in a suit,' which is why you don't hear so much about Spectral's work although it is nice to finally see it on the DVD extras - and Doug has had endless compliments on how the Surfer turned out and on his performance, which is nice. Of course there were some CG only moments, but then you get that in any film such as this when it isn't practical to do it any other way, but even so, the CG moments of the Surfer were not done using mo-cap - WETA studied how Doug moved and created those few moments from scratch (and a great job they did too!). So the Surfer ended up being a combi-platter - a classically-trained actor wearing a state-of-the-art prosthetic design and finished off with CG enhancement from a top-class FX shop. None of that comes cheap, but I think it worked just fine.

There is always curiosity and discussion about Practical FX and CG, and which one is best/more cost-effective, but I don't think you can look at it like that. Personally I prefer practical FX, but CG certainly has its place - but I don't think it is a replacement for good prosthetic design. When it is used to enhance and compliment a character such as the Surfer, or the Faun from PAN'S LABYRINTH, for example, then I think both technologies are shown at their very best - and both are worth the amounts of money spent on them. But it ain't cheap.

HM

[Antonello Blueberry]

For Hellboy too, they used a CGI Abe in some scenes. I think when we're dealing with characters with human proportions, make-up and prosthetic FX is the cheaper and easier solution. The CGI no matter how good, will often look fake.

[dnno1]

As far as I'm aware, Fox spent a HUMUNGOUS amount of money on bringing the Surfer to life, both for the prosthetic design and WETA Digital's enhancement. I think Fox was more concerned that the fans would be disappointed with a 'man in a suit,' which is why you don't hear so much about Spectral's work although it is nice to finally see it on the DVD extras - and Doug has had endless compliments on how the Surfer turned out and on his performance, which is nice. Of course there were some CG only moments, but then you get that in any film such as this when it isn't practical to do it any other way, but even so, the CG moments of the Surfer were not done using mo-cap - WETA studied how Doug moved and created those few moments from scratch (and a great job they did too!). So the Surfer ended up being a combi-platter - a classically-trained actor wearing a state-of-the-art prosthetic design and finished off with CG enhancement from a top-class FX shop. None of that comes cheap, but I think it worked just fine.

There is always curiosity and discussion about Practical FX and CG, and which one is best/more cost-effective, but I don't think you can look at it like that. Personally I prefer practical FX, but CG certainly has its place - but I don't think it is a replacement for good prosthetic design. When it is used to enhance and compliment a character such as the Surfer, or the Faun from PAN'S LABYRINTH, for example, then I think both technologies are shown at their very best - and both are worth the amounts of money spent on them. But it ain't cheap.

HM

What is a humungous amount? FFROSS had a production budget of $130 million, that's not out of the ordinary compared to what was spent on films like TDK or SR which used considerably less CGI scenes.

[dark_b]

That's pretty seamless. The only reason that someone can think that looks fake is if they can't get past the fact that she's a 9 foot tall blue cat-woman.Sam Worthington is also CGI. they realesed a pic in a magazine where they admit it :cwink:

[Hellrider]

Teaser trailers are the most decievin ones... i loved the Planet of oa shots, love tomar and kilowog, and sinestro... I like the suits, mask looks like it'll need some more work, but they have lots of time.

However I did not like this teaser. The tone was too damn Iron-Man'ish which I didn't like. Blake Lively, no matter how hot, looks TERRIBLE in the teaser, so friggin wooden, but hey, maybe out of context it may not look bad, but it looked very bad in the teaser. And looking through the thread here... Abin Sur does look like spawn from the films with purple skin. LOL.

I didn't like the teaser, gave it a 6, but it could still be better. The next 2 trailers(hopefully 2) will give us a better indication as to what the movie will be like. They should all the fun parts to me...Though green Latern is fun, that's not the first words that comes to my mind.. space/cosmic epic comes to mind. They didn't capture that feel much in the teaser, to me.

[JAK®]

"It reminds me too much of another good movie. It looks fun."

Those are meant to be criticisms?

[Hellrider]

"It reminds me too much of another good movie. It looks fun."

Those are meant to be criticisms?


I think you totally misinterpreted what I meant, if you are refering to me.

To me, Green Latern is not Iron Man. That's not the tone. It looks fun and campy at parts, but I hope it's because they only showed the "fun" parts in the teaser. If this teaser foretells the tone of the film, then I'll probably be disappointed. However teasers are very decieving, as i said.

It's my opinion, you can take it for what it's worth. When i saw the first Iron Man teaser trailer(which was more indepth with the film's story), I thought "Yea that's iron man/tony stark", I don't feel the same way about this teaser. I hope the next trailer will be better.

The visuals look awesome though... Love Kilowog, tomar, abin sur, sinestro...they all look like they came to life. But hopefuly the story is top notch and faithful, which is the most important thing to me.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The Thor trailer *****slapped this one.

[Blackman]

About to start a fan war but...yeah Thor's was much better

1. Cowboys and Aliens
2. Thor
3. GL

[Paradoxal]

The Thor trailer *****slapped this one.
Thor was alright, but the best parts were Caulson and the Destroyer. Other than that, I'd say it looked pretty "meh" and "cliche".

[The Sage]

The format was similar to the GL trailer but together a lot better.

[Paradoxal]

The format was similar to the GL trailer but together a lot better.
This is also true. But, it is a superhero movie, so it would look similar. I agree that Thor definitely did a better job putting theirs together (for the type of movie it is anyway).

[Longshot777]

Watch GL producers!!!



Because the Thor Trailer just made the GL Trailer look like Ben Affleck's Daredevil.




The Thor Trailer is how you make a Trailer!!! Serious and Epic.


GL trailer looks like a comedy.

[The Sage]

Not like a comedy, it just doesn't have as much of an epic feel to it. I liked the GL trailer but thought the Thor did a better job of showing the scale of the movie.

[dnno1]

That wasn't any better than before.

[Sub-Zero]

so the thor trailer is out, and i think gl looks as cool as thor. there was some hokey cg with the destroyer, but gl's cg looks better. it's gonna be a great summer next year.

[JAK®]

I'm equally as excited for Thor as I am Green Lantern. Thor does look like it will be more unique than Green Lantern, but Thor as a character is inherently unique, although you could say the same for Green Lantern as well.

[The Sage]

I'm equally as excited for Thor as I am Green Lantern. Thor does look like it will be more unique than Green Lantern, but Thor as a character is inherently unique, although you could say the same for Green Lantern as well.

Agreed.

[Sub-Zero]

they both look good. thor looks pretty dark, but gl looks like it's for a wider audience. the bigger names in thor may make it win next summer, but that doesn't mean gl is going to bomb either.

[I Am The Knight]

Surprised at the Thor trailer love. I thought it was rather pedestrian, with very cool parts here and there. Kinda shocked they left those cheesy hitting sound effects in.

[WormyT]

Yeah, the Thor trailer was a lot more exciting than the GL one. I'm sure the next GL trailer will be great. They just shouldn't rush it.

[protocida]

I found Thor's trailer a little "Meh", to be honest. Chris Hemsworth's acting looks rather wooden and it just doesn't seem to be as appealing as Green Lantern's for me. But, io and behold, the Destroyer looks like it's going to steal the movie much like Sinestro might steal this one.

[Longshot777]

The problem with the GL trailer is that Hal Jordan was trying to be funny.


WTH!!! Hal is not immature.

Thor is serious while Hal was a clown.


The Animated Movie GL First Flight looks better than the actual movie because of this trailer.


It's not a Green Lantern movie, it looks more of that "SUperHero" movie that Parody one. :doh:

[Paradoxal]

I found Thor's trailer a little "Meh", to be honest. Chris Hemsworth's acting looks rather wooden and it just doesn't seem to be as appealing as Green Lantern's for me. But, io and behold, the Destroyer looks like it's going to steal the movie much like Sinestro might steal this one.
This! :yay:

[Parker Wayne]

The Thor trailer *****slapped this one.

This.

But I really think the next GL trailer will be much better, if WB learned their lesson.

[protocida]

The problem with the GL trailer is that Hal Jordan was trying to be funny.


WTH!!! Hal is not immature.

Thor is serious while Hal was a clown.


The Animated Movie GL First Flight looks better than the actual movie because of this trailer.


It's not a Green Lantern movie, it looks more of that "SUperHero" movie that Parody one. :doh:
Explain to me in what momens Hal acted out of character, please.

[HighFivingMF]

WTH!!! Hal is not immature.
:lmao:

[The Sage]

:lmao:

Exactly. Come on man...

[The Sage]

Hal Jordan's not immature? Come on man...

[The Sage]

Hal Jordan, not immature? Come on man...

[Parker Wayne]

If anyone read secret origins or Emerald Dawn would know that Hal Jordan was immature before he became GL.

[JAK®]

If anyone read secret origins or Emerald Dawn would know that Hal Jordan was immature before he became GL.
You'd think that by now, people would be used to the typical character arc of an irresponsible slacker living up to his full potential and becoming a hero.

But no, every single time it comes up people whine that it doesn't look serious enough.

[KalMart]

I said this elsewhere....but when I heard that there was a GL movie in the works, then about who was cast...I figured the movie would be your standard-fare action/effects stint with some comedic dashes thrown in for good measure. The trailer pretty-much made it look like that's what it'll be, so I'm not surprised one way or another. As long as it's fun and enjoyable, that may be all it needs to be for now. Kids will probably dig it.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I have some faith the movie will be great, and I'm hoping RR surprises me with a serious performance instead of his usual goofy garbage....


But regardless of the movie's potential, the trailer didn't really reflect it. It was not a good trailer. They need a better one next time around to win over the GP.

[KalMart]

I have some faith the movie will be great, and I'm hoping RR surprises me with a serious performance instead of his usual goofy garbage....


But regardless of the movie's potential, the trailer didn't really reflect it. It was not a good trailer. They need a better one next time around to win over the GP.

I dunno...I don't really see the potential of 'greatness' there, but there's certainly room for it to at least be a fun ride. From experience, you usually try to put your 'best' stuff (that won't give away any major secrets) in trailers, even early ones. But again, since I wasn't expecting it to be a real contender with the likes of TDK or even the earlier X-mens, this wasn't really a surprise or disappointment.

As far as winning over the GP....primarily making it look fun and even funny with a good dose of eye-candy may really be it's only way of winning them over, considering that we're talking about one of the more 'comic-booky' of characters out there...at least visually/premise-wise....if you're not just targeting the kids. I'd actually much rather they did that well and deliver on a pure entertainment level, instead of trying to take it too seriously/deeply....which is kind of what Thor is looking like. Otherwise, you could end up with something like the first Hulk. :wow: :down:

[Longshot777]

Explain to me in what momens Hal acted out of character, please.



The part when he suddenly turned into GL in front of his friend and then he said..."I know right."

It just feel like a sophmoric superhero and sophmoric movie all around.

I know Batman as a character is darker.....But if you watch his trailer and even Superman.....there's and awe of epicness in there that this GL trailer did not provide.

This is GL!!! A prestigious Intergalactic Patrolman!!!!

But this trailer made it feel like the same corny level as the Fantastic 4 movies.


A movie easily forgotten in the pantheon of great superhero movies such as the first Superman, Spiderman 1 and 2, and Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

[Parker Wayne]

I have some faith the movie will be great, and I'm hoping RR surprises me with a serious performance instead of his usual goofy garbage....


But regardless of the movie's potential, the trailer didn't really reflect it. It was not a good trailer. They need a better one next time around to win over the GP.

I don't think the trailer will reflect the film either. I honestly don't think WB or Martin Campbell's that stupid to let film be that campy. Some of the more serious parts were well done.

[KalMart]

But this trailer made it feel like the same corny level as the Fantastic 4 movies.
That's basically where I put it...but hopefully at least a little better. And honestly, that may be enough for it to do well and warrant a sequel...in which they can expand more on the 'deeper' aspects of the character/story.


A movie easily forgotten in the pantheon of great superhero movies such as the first Superman, Spiderman 1 and 2, and Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
I never really thought it would even flirt with that. Even being a semi-reader/-enthusiasts of the comics/animation, I don't see the inherent appeal of the character being as interesting (except visually, perhaps, if you can stomach the green shapes et al) as Batman or Superman except for more avid comic readers....at least not by himself. I like him with the rest of the Justice League....moreso when there's some occasional interaction with the GL Corps.

Then again, maybe it doesn't necessarily have to be a zeitgeist on the level of Batman/TDK. If it has a strong/profitable enough presence in movies, then it's at least doing what WB needs it to do, and hopefully not being laughed at. So in that respect, becoming a solid 'team-player' could be just what the doctor ordered. Comics and animation might be a better place for GL to really 'spread his wings' to the extent that his ardent fans want. Movies don't have to be the ultimate measuring stick, so to speak. Not being a box-office leader won't make him any less of a favorite character to his hardcore fans, right?

[jmc]

That's basically where I put it...but hopefully at least a little better. And honestly, that may be enough for it to do well and warrant a sequel...in which they can expand more on the 'deeper' aspects of the character/story.



Fans shouldn't have to put up with 'eh, that'll do' though. Mediocrity has run rampant in superhero flicks in the past, post TDK and IM fans deserve better, unfortunately the recent batch of trailers hasn't shown anyone trying to lift their game, old habits looks as if they are very hard to kill off.

[KalMart]

Fans shouldn't have to put up with 'eh, that'll do' though. Mediocrity has run rampant in superhero flicks in the past, post TDK and IM fans deserve better, unfortunately the recent batch of trailers hasn't shown anyone trying to lift their game, old habits looks as if they are very hard to kill off.

Thing is...they're not really making these movies just for the fans. the investment and resources dictate that they have to target a wider audience, the majority of which won't be as into the deeper comic-stuff like comic fans are. So something that's more along the lines of standard-fare might very well be more attractive than something that's requiring more of a leap, or a desire to be more of a comic-fan to 'get' what's cool about the character, etc. yes, it's formulaic...but if it's a formula that they like, bring it on. It's first and foremost a movie, looking to attract general moviegoers on the basis of it being a fun movie...not necessarily how it meets the standards of comic fans. If you're looking for them to 'up their game', in some cases, you may be asking them to play a game that they're not interested in playing....or at least, a part of it.

Big effects, sci-fi, and Ryan Reynolds....that's the angle so far, and honestly, it might be the best point of entry to offer up from the outset for a lot of folks who've never heard of Green Lantern, and who are being introduced to those bright costumes, the ring, the rhyme, and those glowing green shapes. I think GL in particular will take a bit more 'weaning', so to speak, and play off the action-adventure movie card moreso than the comic-mythos one. At least for starters.

[jmc]

It's not even about the comics, it's about trying to set the bar higher for the film genre, if studios don't want to aim higher then they should be surprised if and when audiences start turning away from superheros. I know it's almost cliched to keep looking at the likes of TDK but that film shows where you can take comic characters, that films was ballsy in many respects, audacious even, it was never treated as a 'comic book movie', even it's predecessor wasn't the usual superhero type, and the audience, which was far more reaching in terms of demographics than any other superhero flick before it in recent years, appreciated it, it's the example that needs to be looked at. GL and Thor look safe, almost too safe, even IM2 barley ruffled any feathers, no-one seemingly wants to take risks. I maintain that the sooner studios stop looking at these as 'comic book' movies the better, Fox seems to have learned its lesson (sorta), Aronofsky is directing Wolverine and that sure as hell isn't gonna be anything like what's come before, I'll go so far to say it could potentially challenge TDK as the best ever superhero flick if he's given free reign.

[Micah12345]

yet at the same time, they're retooling the deadpool script to make it pg-13

[KalMart]

It's not even about the comics, it's about trying to set the bar higher for the film genre, if studios don't want to aim higher then they should be surprised if and when audiences start turning away from superheros. I know it's almost cliched to keep looking at the likes of TDK but that film shows where you can take comic characters, that films was ballsy in many respects, audacious even, it was never treated as a 'comic book movie', even it's predecessor wasn't the usual superhero type, and the audience, which was far more reaching in terms of demographics than any other superhero flick before it in recent years, appreciated it, it's the example that needs to be looked at. GL and Thor look safe, almost too safe, even IM2 barley ruffled any feathers, no-one seemingly wants to take risks. I maintain that the sooner studios stop looking at these as 'comic book' movies the better, Fox seems to have learned its lesson (sorta), Aronofsky is directing Wolverine and that sure as hell isn't gonna be anything like what's come before, I'll go so far to say it could potentially challenge TDK as the best ever superhero flick if he's given free reign.
Trying to 'set the bar higher' isn't really an approach that one can pick and ensure. It just happens when a movie picks its own approach and sticks to it, and it happens to hit the right chords with audiences. From the looks of it, GL might not be trying to 'push the artistry' part of things like TDK was or what have you, but neither was Iron Man or the earlier Spider Man's...and look how well they did. Do the people who liked those movies resent them not being as 'sophisticated' as TDK was? Heck no....they were fun and entertaining, and did that pretty darn well. Despite how the first trailer may have it look, I don't see GL aiming for any less than that, at least in terms of approach...and honestly, I don't see why GL or any other comic-based movie has to 'redefine the genre' etc by looking to leap over that. TDK was the way it was because Nolan wanted to do it that way...that's his approach to it, and some other filmmaker could try it and not do it nearly as well. He probably cared much less about what he was doing to the genre than what he was doing for just his movie first and foremost. It's not like every comic-movie has to abandon the IM/Spidey approach and now shoot for that to be taken more seriously.

Let a (hopefully) good director/storyteller pick an approach they feel good about and do it as well as they can...be it more like TDK or like Iron Man, or whatever else....and if people like it, the genre's level/state/development will take care of itself. More times than not, if you have an agenda to force it somewhere you're asking more out of your actual movie than you should. With GL, it looks like they're going for a fun ride with some personality from Reynolds. Fine. Do that well, and the rest is gravy. If you're looking to somehow elevate comics and comic fandom through movies...you're asking too much from it from the outset. If GL is a really good piece of action/adventure/effects, and people like it...it'll speak just as well for the genre and such as it would if it were a more artsy/metaphorical/avante-garde one.

[terry78]

Hal Jordan is a human. Thor is a god. Why would the latter even be funny, except on accident? As a human who gets newfound powers, of course you're going to be a little silly, even as a defense mechanism to keep yourself sane from all the **** going on. Jordan is not Batman or Superman, he didn't lose his parents at a young age and feel all distraught, his life is good even before the ring.

[The Sage]

Well Hal did lose his father when he was a kid. If they're taking from Secret Origins, I'm guessing that'll be integrated into the movie. But the wisecracking and humor is one of Hal's traits, pre and post becoming Green Lantern.

[protocida]

Hal Jordan being excited about the prospect of becoming a Green Lantern is out of character? Hmn...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jHqCEZI/AAAAAAAAD-k/TV1oRtAZKvA/s400/glso04.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9NlHNcyI/AAAAAAAAD-c/binFiK3WA7c/s400/glso05.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jAgYTeI/AAAAAAAAD-s/1zK9omy0008/s400/glso06.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jSZrc0I/AAAAAAAAD-0/Xoizy-gdREY/s400/glso07.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jm4_10I/AAAAAAAAD-8/KmkbxHHmlGg/s400/glso08.jpg

[AnorexicBatman]

I found the Thor trailer better. It had an epic feel to it.
Green Lantern still seems goofy.

[HighFivingMF]

Well Hal did lose his father when he was a kid. If they're taking from Secret Origins, I'm guessing that'll be integrated into the movie. But the wisecracking and humor is one of Hal's traits, pre and post becoming Green Lantern.
They're definitely filming Martin Jordan's death. Martin, young Hal, and young Carol are all cast. I'd imagine his Father's death is why he looks so much more upset, an older male-looking character crashing his ship (plane), but this time Hal gets to watch Abin dying. I think it will make him think of what his Father could have went through.

[The Sage]

They're definitely filming Martin Jordan's death. Martin, young Hal, and young Carol are all cast. I'd imagine his Father's death is why he looks so much more upset, an older male-looking character crashing his ship (plane), but this time Hal gets to watch Abin dying. I think it will make him think of what his Father could have went through.

I figured he was thinking of his father in the trailer when he was staring at the sky before the ring found him.

[JAK®]

I say anyone who thinks Hal doesn't look like he can be serious as a character hasn't watched the trailer properly. There are just as many scenes, if not more, where he shows serious emotion instead of "I know right!?"

[Polux]

Hal Jordan being excited about the prospect of becoming a Green Lantern is out of character? Hmn...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jHqCEZI/AAAAAAAAD-k/TV1oRtAZKvA/s400/glso04.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9NlHNcyI/AAAAAAAAD-c/binFiK3WA7c/s400/glso05.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jAgYTeI/AAAAAAAAD-s/1zK9omy0008/s400/glso06.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jSZrc0I/AAAAAAAAD-0/Xoizy-gdREY/s400/glso07.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dNgNPwAJDI4/SWv9jm4_10I/AAAAAAAAD-8/KmkbxHHmlGg/s400/glso08.jpg

So Reynolds is not playing himself, as I said before, Hal Jordan is just writen like Ryan Reynolds!!! :awesome:


Polux

[JAK®]

It's like when people say that Jack Nicholson just played himself in Batman '89...

"He's just acting like a lunatic with an evil grin! He isn't playing the Joker at all!"

[KalMart]

It's like when people say that Jack Nicholson just played himself in Batman '89...

"He's just acting like a lunatic with an evil grin! He isn't playing the Joker at all!"

Or when they say that Christopher Walken was just Walken, moreseo than Max Shrek. :O

[gkokujin]

okay Secret Origins came out only a few years ago, and everyone is suddenly disregarding the 50 years of Hal's behavior as written in the comics?

what are you guys 15?

[HighFivingMF]

okay Secret Origins came out only a few years ago, and everyone is suddenly disregarding the 50 years of Hal's behavior as written in the comics?

what are you guys 15?
He's the same in Emerald Dawn. The only difference is the style of humor being updated for the new generation. Except he's actually more mature in Secret Origins, he's risking his life, but only his own. He drove drunk in Emerald Dawn and killed one. I like not-driving drunk Hal better.

[JAK®]

okay Secret Origins came out only a few years ago, and everyone is suddenly disregarding the 50 years of Hal's behavior as written in the comics?

what are you guys 15?
Those 50 years of comics mainly have the character in action as an experienced Lantern, not the way he was when he first got the ring. So yeah, he will be different. And Secret Origins is canon, so...

[Project862006]

okay Secret Origins came out only a few years ago, and everyone is suddenly disregarding the 50 years of Hal's behavior as written in the comics?

what are you guys 15?

umm you know the director and Reynolds said the basis for this movie is secret origins

:doh:

[dnno1]

umm you know the director and Reynolds said the basis for this movie is secret origins

:doh:

Martin Campbell also reported to CHUD (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2010/01/director-martin-campbell-shine.html) that he would be drawing cues from "Emerald Dawn" earlier this year. This film is going to be a combination of both stories.

[Bruce_Begins]

I think that people are being a bit unfair to GL trailer, as RR is in GL movie and he is known as someone who does comdey well, fans should have expected to see some comic moments in it, and it is needed.

I found GL trailer to be fine, RR is serious in some shots and kilowog, Tomar Re and Oa look good.

In Thor trailer, I think that Chris Hemsworth's acting is not good, maybe I will be proven wrong when I actually watch the movie, and the story line for Thor looks to be pretty much straightforward hero movie script.

I am sure RR will get plenty of chance to show his acting skills, as GL story is supposed to be quite complex.

[Excelsior.]

In Thor trailer (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=340087&page=43#), I think that Chris Hemsworth's acting is not good

His seemed far better than Ryan.

the story line for Thor looks to be pretty much straightforward hero movie script.

and Green lantern's doesn't?

[JAK®]

His seemed far better than Ryan.

What? No.

[terry78]

Hemsworth is honestly the actor as of late in the superhero flick game with the LEAST experience. ****, Chris Evans has been doing it longer.

[I Am The Knight]

His seemed far better than Ryan.

No telling lies, Nuffy.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't care how much one likes the Thor trailer, it's ridiculous to claim that Hemsworth's acting looked better than Reynolds. It looked better than Lively's but thats it.

Now Hemsworth might be fine in the film but he did not like great in that trailer.

[JamalYIgle]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9606/glemeralddawnfear2.jpgIf anyone read secret origins or Emerald Dawn would know that Hal Jordan was immature before he became GL.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/ponyboyzero/scan0001.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/77941738_65a89a563b_b.jpg

All from Green Lantern Emerald Dawn

[protocida]

Ah, yes, "Emerald Dawn II". Or, as I like to call it, "The delightful tale of how Hal Jordan went trough a cavity search and nearly escaped prison rape."

[HighFivingMF]

Ah, yes, "Emerald Dawn II". Or, as I like to call it, "The delightful tale of how Hal Jordan went trough a cavity search and nearly escaped prison rape."
Spoilers! GAWL!

[Daybreak_st]

Hi Daybreak,

Sorry for the late reply, but I've just noticed the comments here. You are absolutely right - the Surfer was NOT completely CG, but a prosthetic suit designed by Jose Fernandez and created by the Oscar-nominated team at Spectral Motion. It took over 2 hours to get Doug made up as the Surfer, and what you see on film is Doug in the suit, with a metallic sheen added at the end by WETA. This pic you have here is my good friend Thom Floutz applying the makeup around Doug's eyes. Spectral Motion and Jose Fernandez also created Doug's design for Abe Sapien in HELLBOY & HELLBOY II, for which Mike Elizalde and Thom Floutz of Spectral were Oscar-nominated. Thom was Doug's makeup artist on both of those films, and also worked with him on the Surfer. I run Doug's site and posted these pictures with full permission of Mike Elizalde, so I can assure you with good authority that the info is utterly correct in every way.

Thanks for posting the pic! :D

HM


Awesome! Thanks for the reply. Your friend does amazing work. Any other pictures of how the prosethic suit is put together? I'm really amazed at how lifelike both of the those suits (silver sufer and abe look) it looks just like skin. Amazing really. I'd love to see more of the process. Thanks for sharing your insider info :yay:

[dnno1]

You naysayers are harping on the comedic talents of Ryan Renolds, saying that superheroes shouldn't be funny, but yet we had some light comedy in both the Spider-Man and Iron Man franchises and they made a lot of money. Even "The Green Hornet" with comedian actor Seth Rogan is looking like it's going to be a great film according to Moviehole (http://www.moviehole.net/201034620-rogens-green-hornet-is-apparently-great) and other sites. When are you guys going to get over it? A little bit of comedy won't hurt a film. Why else do they call them "comic" book heroes anyway?

[Bruce_Begins]

Gl is complex movie than Thor, and there is something for everyone in this movie, Thor and Cap. America look to me as another standard Marvel movies that are leading up to Avengers.

[dnno1]

Both films will have their target markets. The real question is who's is larger?

[O'Haire]

I liked both trailers and think both movies are going to kick ass.

[Dark Knight]

I don't care how much one likes the Thor trailer, it's ridiculous to claim that Hemsworth's acting looked better than Reynolds. It looked better than Lively's but thats it.

Now Hemsworth might be fine in the film but he did not like great in that trailer.






The Thor trailer didn't look great at all IMO. Beavis looking Hemsworths acting better than Reynolds is a silly claim indeed.

I can't wait to see the final product when they show the lousy cheesy costume designs and then how bad the plot will be when he gets to Earth.

[KalMart]

Hi Daybreak,

Sorry for the late reply, but I've just noticed the comments here. You are absolutely right - the Surfer was NOT completely CG, but a prosthetic suit designed by Jose Fernandez and created by the Oscar-nominated team at Spectral Motion. It took over 2 hours to get Doug made up as the Surfer, and what you see on film is Doug in the suit, with a metallic sheen added at the end by WETA. This pic you have here is my good friend Thom Floutz applying the makeup around Doug's eyes. Spectral Motion and Jose Fernandez also created Doug's design for Abe Sapien in HELLBOY & HELLBOY II, for which Mike Elizalde and Thom Floutz of Spectral were Oscar-nominated. Thom was Doug's makeup artist on both of those films, and also worked with him on the Surfer. I run Doug's site and posted these pictures with full permission of Mike Elizalde, so I can assure you with good authority that the info is utterly correct in every way.

Thanks for posting the pic! :D

HM
Wow. Very cool. Didn't they need reference mo-cap dots on the actor's body to add the sheen, or at least track it to match the movement/motion/position? I also assume that they CG'd the face/mouth movements when using Fishburne's voice.

[Octoberist]

The Thor trailer didn't look great at all IMO. Beavis looking Hemsworths acting better than Reynolds is a silly claim indeed.

I can't wait to see the final product when they show the lousy cheesy costume designs and then how bad the plot will be when he gets to Earth.

Man, it's okay to look forward to both movies.

[KalMart]

Man, it's okay to look forward to both movies.

Misery loves company, I guess. ;)

[Octoberist]

I'm not gonna go out of my way to dislike a film because it's by another film company. haha. It's funny, actually.

[Saint]

It's the Hype, Octoberist. Most people on it only have the capacity to like one thing at a time. I remember when Batman Begins came out, suddenly everybody hated B89.

Thor looked pretty cool to me, but I'm not foolish enough to start making claims about how this or that is going to be great or terrible at this point. I will say that I don't see how the costumes are "lousy."

[KalMart]

I'm not gonna go out of my way to dislike a film because it's by another film company. haha. It's funny, actually.

I take it you're not really into politics either, huh? :oldrazz::awesome:

[Parker Wayne]

Man, it's okay to look forward to both movies.

It is!? :wow:


Seriously, I look forward to both films, though my excitement wavered a bit after looking at both trailers, but during that time my excitement for Captain America's trailer and the film have been peaking.

[Brian Braddock]

As it's said in my sig for while (borne out of frustration with the 'us or them' attitude that you come across on these boards from time to time) why does a person have to choose one camp or the other - why cant you just like both?

I'm a comicbook fan 1st and foremost so that means that I look forward to most comicbook movie adaptions. I certainly never look at it from a 'I want that movie to fail so bad' viewpoint.

I really, really just dont get that.

[S.A.A.D.]

As it's said in my sig for while (borne out of frustration with the 'us or them' attitude that you come across on these boards from time to time) why does a person have to choose one camp or the other - why cant you just like both?

I'm a comicbook fan 1st and foremost so that means that I look forward to most comicbook movie adaptions. I certainly never look at it from a 'I want that movie to fail so bad' viewpoint.

I really, really just dont get that.

I can actually understand that if the comic book movie is based on a comic book character that sucks. And or one that brings nothing new and cool to the table.

[HighFivingMF]

I certainly never look at it from a 'I want that movie to fail so bad' viewpoint.
I'd never wish failure on a movie, even a movie I hate. I'd never wish someone's movie fails so hard that the the people involved can't work again. Because they bring joy to the people that did like it and a failure could ruin the careers of several people involved.

[Parker Wayne]

As it's said in my sig for while (borne out of frustration with the 'us or them' attitude that you come across on these boards from time to time) why does a person have to choose one camp or the other - why cant you just like both?

I'm a comicbook fan 1st and foremost so that means that I look forward to most comicbook movie adaptions. I certainly never look at it from a 'I want that movie to fail so bad' viewpoint.

I really, really just dont get that.
I'd never wish failure on a movie, even a movie I hate. I'd never wish someone's movie fails so hard that the the people involved can't work again. Because they bring joy to the people that did like it and a failure could ruin the careers of several people involved.

Both of these. I never understood the mentality. Probably it's because I'm a film fan first and comic book fan second, but I never bought into the whole Marvel vs. DC debate. I love both companies.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not against the Thor trailer because I liked the GL trailer, I'm against the Thor trailer because I think it looks like s**t. My feelings on the Thor trailer has nothing to do with my feelings on anyother movie's trailer and to imply otherwise is a damn lie. It's not a versus thing, I just simply liked GL's very flawed trailer and disliked Thor's.

I'm happy that some of you guys are looking forward to both films but I'm not because I dislike Thor's trailer.

[Weadazoid]

I'm not against the Thor trailer because I liked the GL trailer, I'm against the Thor trailer because I think it looks like s**t. My feelings on the Thor trailer has nothing to do with my feelings on anyother movie's trailer and to imply otherwise is a damn lie. It's not a versus thing, I just simply liked GL's very flawed trailer and disliked Thor's.

I'm happy that some of you guys are looking forward to both films but I'm not because I dislike Thor's trailer.


You are intitled to your opinion, but apparently most of the people who have seen the trailer disagree.

Much like PotC it jumped so high on yahoo trailers it made the top 10 viewed this year. Apparently thier is a positive buzz about the Thor movie, most people are intrigued.


Never before have we seen a superhero destroy a large area with a single strike, Thors hammer strike at the end of the trailer is probably one of the best money shots a comic book movie trailer has had in like...forever.


The Best thing the GL trailer had going for it was the Superman esque flying sequence as Reynolds rocketed through space. That I think anyone liked or loved.

I think much like the SPiderman 3 trailer GL... trailer will slowly become more and more fleshed out.



Irregardless of trailers I think both movies along with Cap will do very well this summer

X men should really move out of the SUmmer Slot.

[KalMart]

I've liked the Green Hornet trailers I've seen so far. :up:

[JAK®]

You are intitled to your opinion, but apparently most of the people who have seen the trailer disagree.

Much like PotC it jumped so high on yahoo trailers it made the top 10 viewed this year. Apparently thier is a positive buzz about the Thor movie, most people are intrigued.


Never before have we seen a superhero destroy a large area with a single strike, Thors hammer strike at the end of the trailer is probably one of the best money shots a comic book movie trailer has had in like...forever.

"You're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong, and here is why"

Isn't this basically what you're saying? I don't agree with I SEE SPIDEY's opinion of the Thor trailer at all, but it seems you are trying to dismiss her opinion.

[Weadazoid]

"You're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong, and here is why"

Isn't this basically what you're saying? I don't agree with I SEE SPIDEY's opinion of the Thor trailer at all, but it seems you are trying to dismiss her opinion.


I just think it's interesting she has decided to compare a fairly popular trailer to crap.

I just don't see alot of people jumping on yahoo to see a movie trailer because thier freinds are telling them it looks like crap.

Just pointing out the opinion is oddly in highly negative minority.

I work in the field of Marketing and Quality Control ... so yes sometimes I have to say... this is your opinion but here are the facts to back up why you may be wrong.






I found it kind of shocking that Thor made the top 10 this year.... didn't think it had too much buzz going on around it.

[HighFivingMF]

I work in the field of Marketing and Quality Control ... so yes sometimes I have to say... this is your opinion but here are the facts to back up why you may be wrong.
:huh: What does working in marketing have to do with telling someone their opinion on a matter is wrong?

[dnno1]

:huh: What does working in marketing have to do with telling someone their opinion on a matter is wrong?

Marketing deals in statistical analysis on market trends. In this case the folks marketing this film more than likely have an detailed analysis of the target market and have a level of confidence that they will make a certain amount of money on this film. One or a hand full of person's opinion on the matter is not going to influence the over all trend that they have forecasted.

[HighFivingMF]

Marketing deals in statistical analysis on market trends. In this case the folks marketing this film more than likely have an detailed analysis of the target market and have a level of confidence that they will make a certain amount of money on this film. One or a hand full of person's opinion on the matter is not going to influence the over all trend that they have forecasted.
That doesn't answer the question. It doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't like it is wrong.

[Weadazoid]

LOL... I didn't say she was wrong.... I said she may be wrong

I said her opinion was in a minority.

No opinion (set in a persons mind) can be wrong. Well... some are just wrong like a person saying Hitler was a good guy

But more to the general point Some people including myself detest Titanic, however I think I will gladly admitt to being in the minority there.


And in marketing, trust me at times I have to tell some one.... that while I value opinion... the company is going a different way. If the project I am working on takes off... then technically the opinion they had...was wrong. Sometimes it is as simple as something like color shcemes.... some things really work... some colors make 'most people' feel a certain way.

I am pretty good at that stuff.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't really know how the trailer is being received. I constantly read how well Tron's trailer was received and it's not heading for a 300mil gross and it only opened with 44mil despite it's expensive tickets.

[jmc]

I found it kind of shocking that Thor made the top 10 this year.... didn't think it had too much buzz going on around it.

Youtube's Top 10?

[Octoberist]

I don't really know how the trailer is being received. I constantly read how well Tron's trailer was received and it's not heading for a 300mil gross and it only opened with 44mil despite it's expensive tickets.

Honestly, trailers means crap anymore.

[HighFivingMF]

Youtube's Top 10?
Yahoo's.

[jmc]

People still use Yahoo? Awwwwww, that's so cute.

[HighFivingMF]

People still use Yahoo? Awwwwww, that's so cute.
Hardly, which is why a month-old trailer managed to be one of the top-viewed of the year. :oldrazz:

I don't get why people are exclaiming about Thor being in Yahoo's top 10 and Green Lantern not making the top 10. Thor debuted on Yahoo, and is the only place most people would be able to find it. Green Lantern debuted on TV and then on Apple.

[jmc]

Seriously though, I didn't know people still used Yahoo, it seems so....early 2000's. :hehe:

[Parker Wayne]

I still use yahoo mail. And that's because I'd rather not transfer all my e-mails to my g-mail. It's hard and annoying.

[I Am The Knight]

I use Yahoo...Well sort of. It has been my homepage for like ever and I've never changed it. But I don't actually use the site unless some trailer debuts on it and I'm redirected to them.

[TheMadScientist]

Well according to yahoo news the green lantern trailer was an "internet hit":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101117/en_ac/7214694_39green_lantern39_trailer_becomes_internet _hit#mwpphu-container

[KalMart]

So was Mel Gibson's run-in with the cops, for that matter. So any publicity is good publicity, I guess. :D

[WildcatNC]

I thought the Thor trailer looked great and the GL trailer looked pretty terrible. Has nothing to do with the Characters, companies, etc. Just the trailers.

I'm looking forward to both movies but the GL trailer lowered my expections a bit. I suppose we'll see.

[SentinelMind]

I thought the trailer was good enough, (7/10)...it gave the impression the could be on par, if not better than IronMan 2. Nice sci-fi background, costume, and that one second of Sinestro was epic enough. Some overhanded camp, but not too strong as say Green Hornet. I'm willing to give the film the benefit of the doubt.

[I Am The Knight]

I thought the trailer was good enough, (7/10)...it gave the impression the could be on par, if not better than IronMan 2. Nice sci-fi background, costume, and that one second of Sinestro was epic enough. Some overhanded camp, but not too strong as say Green Hornet. I'm willing to give the film the benefit of the doubt.

Well, I'm hoping it's much better than that...

[PaulM]

I thought the trailer was awful, I'm still holding out hope the final product will be atleast ok would love it to be awesome though!

[Micah12345]

The flow of the trailer is just so weird. It's like it starts out as a comedy or mindless action flick trailer, and then 20 seconds in starts trying to act all mysterious and epic.

It's still by far my most anticipated movie of the year though, as green lantern is tied for my all time favorite comic character with supes and bats, and I love the cast and crew they've chosen, especially mark strong. Sinestro looks to be the most charismatic character in a superhero movie this year.

[BigThor]

I give the Green Lantern trailer a strong "7" because while it may seem campy and the effects weren't up to bar, it does seem to be pretty epic & entertaining.

Now I been seeing alot of you saying "Thor seems formulaic" but I don't see what's so formulaic about Thor, here are some key differences from most origin films.

1) He doesn't GET powers he starts off as a super-powered being

2) The film is VERY family centered, which most superhero films are not

3) Kevin Feige said it takes place in Asgard more than Earth (ratio of 60/40), I can't name a superhero film that took place mostly away from earth.

4) It takes place in THREE or more different realms and it has several other characters that are also superhuman (Loki, Odin. Fandral, Hogun, Volstagg, Sif, Frost Giants, Destroyer etc.)

While GL is definately more formulaic (though it does have alot of superhumans), I'm still looking forward to seeing both films:thor: :hal:

[SentinelMind]

Wow...this fan trailer....yes, fake fan trailer is sooo much better than the official one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs

[Violet Lantern]

Wow...this fan trailer....yes, fake fan trailer is sooo much better than the official one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs

You do realize they have to market this film to people who aren't familiar with the character(and beyond a superficial knowledge of who GL is from the Super Friends cartoons, most people don't really know him)?

Most asses that will be filling the seats won't be comic fans(hopefully, if the film is a success). You do realize this, I hope.

[JAK®]

I love how that fan made Green Lantern trailer has Hal Jordan waking up in bed with his boxers on, just like the real trailer, which apparently was one of the parts that looked stupid.

[BigThor]

Also, I don't see the reason for all of the "oh no I hope it's not as bad as IM 2" talk.

Since Iron Man 2 was actually "good", it wasn't great like Iron Man 1 but it still was an overall good film despite it's flaws

[Micah12345]

That fake trailer is awful. I'll take the real one any day.

[SentinelMind]

You do realize they have to market this film to people who aren't familiar with the character(and beyond a superficial knowledge of who GL is from the Super Friends cartoons, most people don't really know him)?

Most asses that will be filling the seats won't be comic fans(hopefully, if the film is a success). You do realize this, I hope.

I don't understand what that has to do with my post? :huh:
I'm not even a big GL fan outside of watching the Justice League series so I don't know what you're implying. I don't feel either trailer "explained" the character any more than the other.

I was just pointing out how the official trailer lacks a bit of epic / climatic feel by contrasting it to the trailer made by this fan, who just compiled a bunch of sci-fi themes almost randomly.
I thought the official trailer was ok..I rated it 7/10, and I look forward to seeing the film.

[Dark Knight]

Can't wait for the 2nd GL trailer which should be popping up in March with Sucker Punch or maybe sooner online.

Lets hope it is an improvement over the 1st one, which I'm sure it will be.

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