Be honest...

[Silvermoth]

whenever I hear people complaining against more women Avengers they seem to mention alot that the cast list is big enough as it is so...

Should Hawkeye have been replaced with a female Avenger and saved for a sequel?

[Aesop Rocks]

I need my Renner NOW!! :cmad:

[Chewy]

Hawkeye is far, far more important to the Avengers' history than She-Hulk or Tigra. Scarlet Witch is up there, but Hawkeye still trumps her.

Ms Marvel or Wasp or Scarlet Witch can be added in a sequel - I'm more than fine with the roster as is. I think people are making too much of the lack of female presence. Would they rather one of the big three or Hulk be excluded? Beyond them it's just Hawkeye and Black Widow.

[SuperSAINT]

Nope. I'm glad Hawkeye is in and even more pleased they've landed someone like Renner. I'm curious whether they may be tempted to add him to the bookend of the Captain America movie.

[BigSams50]

Definitely Hawkeye. I'm expecting Renner to put on a great performance

[Iron_Stark]

Hawkeye, especially if Renner is playing him.

[RaZaTrOn]

People seem to forget that the Original Avengers only had one female presence.

Original Line Up - Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Ant-Man, Hulk and Cap.

Movie - Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk and Cap.

[TheShah]

Wasn't Wasp a big part of the founding Avengers, along with Hank Pym?
I thought the original pre-Cap Avengers consisted of: Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Pym and Wasp?
Then Cap was thawed, Hulk went off on a rampage and they didn't wanna touch him... to summarize.



In response to OP: I have a feeling there may be secondary female characters like Betty, Pepper, Jane... to balance out the cast.
I don't think they wanted to put in She-Hulk or Tigra, because a random alien looking character might seem completely out of place and just would've seemed like they popped out of no where without a detailed backstory.
Same with Scarlet Witch, way too much back story to be created as part of an ensemble without a spotlight on her prior to.

Where as Hawkeye doesn't need explanation of powers, origin story, etc etc... he's skilled and awesome, that can be it.

EDIT: Thanks RaZaTrOn.

[TheShah]

It's funny that people always argue and create such uproar about minor changes in comic book movies... but I've heard li'l to nothing about them changing the original Avengers line-up for the movies.

I expected to hear a few people pissed and outraged. lol.

[misjuevos]

im just curious if hawkeye will get a spinoff?

[Chewy]

It's funny that people always argue and create such uproar about minor changes in comic book movies... but I've heard li'l to nothing about them changing the original Avengers line-up for the movies.

I expected to hear a few people pissed and outraged. lol.
Probably because Edgar Wright's the reason the Pyms won't be in this, and most people around these parts love them some Edgar Wright

[Parker Wayne]

Probably because Edgar Wright's the reason the Pyms won't be in this, and most people around these parts love them some Edgar Wright

I don't get why people don't understand that Edgar Wright's the reason that Pyms are not in the film.

And this "female Avenger" question is getting a little redundant. There are already 3 other threads that address the female Avenger issue.

[TheShah]

Probably because Edgar Wright's the reason the Pyms won't be in this, and most people around these parts love them some Edgar Wright

Yea, that didn't make much sense to me either.
Don't get me wrong, I love me somt Wright.

But why go forth with a Wright helmed Ant-Man film who was part of the original Avengers, when they've been planning a this whole Marvel Movie-verse?

And it doesn't seem the Ant-Man movie is gonna be connected to the whole Avengers films they've got going now... is it?
It's these wierd inconsistencies that kinda make me go :huh:

[Aztec]

1) The Pyms are not in this movie (or at least not anything more than a passing cameo).
2) There is only one female Avenger and her name is Black Widow. There's no "subtext" to his comment ('Maybe he meant only one female Avenger...with red hair...and Wasp is in!!') so get over it and move on.
3) Mark Ruffalo is Bruce Banner not Edward Norton.
4) Marvel's Avengers strategy is ambitious and creative and is clearly not interfering with the solo films.

Is there anything else I can clear up for you guys right here rather than having 15 threads dedicated to arguing the same silly points?

[Squidboy]

Bring on the female Hawkeye, make both parties happy! :p

[Figs]

Hawkeye all the way.

[C. Lee]

Is there anything else I can clear up for you guys right here rather than having 15 threads dedicated to arguing the same silly points?

Sure, thanks...how about; why can't Spider-Man be in it, would this be better set in the 60's, will Black Widow user her stingers, since Jarvis is currently a computer voice will they eventually make him a robot human looking body, could that lead to Ultron or the Vision, do you think they may introduce The Scarlett Witch but not say she's Magneto's daughter, is Michael Weston cool or what, any possibility that Hugh Jackman will pop in for giggles, do you think any Skrulls will show up, Inhumans...what's up with them?

[Parker Wayne]

Sure, thanks...how about; why can't Spider-Man be in it, would this be better set in the 60's, will Black Widow user her stingers, since Jarvis is currently a computer voice will they eventually make him a robot human looking body, could that lead to Ultron or the Vision, do you think they may introduce The Scarlett Witch but not say she's Magneto's daughter, is Michael Weston cool or what, any possibility that Hugh Jackman will pop in for giggles, do you think any Skrulls will show up, Inhumans...what's up with them?

:awesome:

Yes to all

[Silvermoth]

And this "female Avenger" question is getting a little redundant. There are already 3 other threads that address the female Avenger issue.

All those threads are about different subjects, not just "Female Avengers". This is about whether Hawkeye or a woman Avenger should have been included in the film's line up, the other is wether or not the Avengers need more women and the third is about which of the most famous female Avengers should have been in the film.

[Mac_Hine]

Purple Arrow all the way! :)

[Aztec]

All those threads are about different subjects, not just "Female Avengers". This is about whether Hawkeye or a woman Avenger should have been included in the film's line up, the other is wether or not the Avengers need more women and the third is about which of the most famous female Avengers should have been in the film.

Yeah, I see no overlap there at all...:whatever:

[Spider-Vader]

Hawkeye he's a bigger Avenger than any female Avenger besides Wasp.

All the female Avengers (yet again besides Wasp) would need origin stories & I don't think there'll be time in this movie for many origins.

[marcvader]

What he says^

[Doctor Jones]

What do people want to see more?

Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye or... the Wasp?

Hmm, well this is a tough one...

[marcvader]

Actually I prefer both Antman and Wasp to Hawkeye.

[JeetKuneDo]

Hawkeye for me. Scarlett Witch is a close 2nd. Never could stand She-Hulk. I always rolled my eyes at that character. For the same reason I rolled my eyes at Kid Flash. They seemed to exist for bad reasons....and couldn't even be original in the process.

[Deaths Head II]

I would love to have Wasp and Ant Man over Hawkeye and Black Widow but I know we still don't know what's up with the Wright film and it's a lot easier to use Hawkeye and Black Widow since they won't need as much explanation.

[VictorShade]

Actually I prefer both Antman and Wasp to Hawkeye.


What he said.

[Parker Wayne]

All those threads are about different subjects, not just "Female Avengers". This is about whether Hawkeye or a woman Avenger should have been included in the film's line up, the other is wether or not the Avengers need more women and the third is about which of the most famous female Avengers should have been in the film.

And you don't see the redundancy in that? :huh:

[Spider-Vader]

I would love to have Wasp and Ant Man over Hawkeye and Black Widow but I know we still don't know what's up with the Wright film and it's a lot easier to use Hawkeye and Black Widow since they won't need as much explanation.

I honestly think Hank & Janet have simple origins. So simple that they could be explained in the Avengers movie.

[Diamondhead]

Hawkeye puh !
haven't had enough of smallville 's green arrow yet !?

[Deaths Head II]

I honestly think Hank & Janet have simple origins. So simple that they could be explained in the Avengers movie.

I don't know, I think to squeeze in an origin amongst all the other character arcs is too much. Whereas with Hawkeye Nick Fury can just go like "Here's Hawkeye. He's one of my best agents. Check out how good he is with a bow."

[gkokujin]

i'd prefer the Pyms. They were both in the Ultimates ANimated and didn't give a backstory at all.

They can just be a husband and wife team on the supersoldier research team and give them Ultimates back story, as in Jan is a mutant.

[Panthro]

Hmm, choice between Hawkeye or Scarlet Witch? Scarlet Witch wins every time. :cwink:

[misjuevos]

the only female who i would think could stand toe to toe with thor is ms. marvel. at least ms marvel wouldnt be a damsel in distress when they fight the hulk or some superpower. the scarlet witch would work too, but i prefer a physical powerhouse to a mystical powerhouse if you know what i mean.

[marcvader]

We've already got physical powerhouses in Thor and Hulk. There'd be more of a need for magic if you ask me

[misjuevos]

thor is physical and magical. just saying if you get a female you need one who won't be crushed by a car or building. or just held at knife/gun point. can't use scarlet witch anyway she is with fox. ms marvel isnt so she will have to due.

[conan69]

IMHO War Machine and Black Widow, can be cameos, but shouldnt be a focal part of the team.

Wasp, Hawkeye and Antman should.

And Id still like to see Scarlet Witch adapted to film some day. Her and Quicksilver, maybe along with Blob or Avalanche make sense for a Xmen FC sequel.

[misjuevos]

i honestly still want antman and wasp in avengers.

[The_Lost]

i honestly still want antman and wasp in avengers.

Agree. The original avengers. Thor , Hulk , Iron Man , Ant man and the wasp.
These are the cast that discovered Captain America (minus the hulk) The wasp
being a wealthy socialite (young and beautiful to boot) would be great next to
the black widow. You get a socialite with a Bio sting blaster and an attitude; you do NOT have a damsel in distress type (Unless she's trying to make Hank jealous.)

[Madelow]

Hello Marcvader & all: I agree. For an Avengers origin film, Ant-Man & Wasp belong, and Hawkeye really does not. Hawkeye joined when Thor, Iron Man, Hank & Jan resigned (along with the Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver). A mighty Marvel no-prize to all those who were reading the comic in the 60's when this happened. I'd have Hank & Jan in the first film, and save Hawkeye for the second (or perhaps the Black Widow solo). Best regards, madelow.

[Danalys]

I think the argument that there are too many characters is beside the point. this is more male focussed entertainment. women characters should be in the world as much as they would be in a males group of friends. so you can have your tomboys and sexy heroine and love interests but the male perspective has to dominate to appeal to the male audience.

the avengers doesn't need to be balanced. it needs to be counter balanced by chick flicks and comics etc which would have a predominantly female cast and audience.

[CaptainStacy]

Actually I prefer both Antman and Wasp to Hawkeye.

Same Here. hawkeye has no place in an initial Avengers movie.

Why?

Because he wasn't a founding member.

The Pyms were the ones who came up with the idea of forming the team to begin with.

The fact that they are being left out of the movie over hawkeye is like having Batgirl appear in a Batman movie before introducing Robin. :down

[Kent]

What do people want to see more?

Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye or... the Wasp?

Hmm, well this is a tough one...

I'd prefer to not see Jeremy Renner as the Wasp.
:cwink:

[JP]

Hawkeye and Black Widow are a waste. Should have been Hank and Janet.

You have a team of out of this world SUPER HEROES. Along side them you have a guy with good aim, and a girl who can do backflips... :huh:

Hawkeye and Widow would have been great for an espionage type SHEILD film. But they're both awful choices for The Avengers.

[Shawkur]

Same Here. hawkeye has no place in an initial Avengers movie.

Why?

Because he wasn't a founding member.

The Pyms were the ones who came up with the idea of forming the team to begin with.

The fact that they are being left out of the movie over hawkeye is like having Batgirl appear in a Batman movie before introducing Robin. :down

They arent being left out over Hawkeye though, arent they are being left out over a planned Ant-Man movie that will probably never be made anyway? If I had my way, Hank and Jan would officially be part of the team in the movie and Clint (and maybe Natasha) would be a hired hand for the villains who switches sides at the end. Just making him a SHIELD agent or something straight off the back craps all over his origin too.

[Hound55]

Same Here. hawkeye has no place in an initial Avengers movie.

Why?

Because he wasn't a founding member.

The Pyms were the ones who came up with the idea of forming the team to begin with.

The fact that they are being left out of the movie over hawkeye is like having Batgirl appear in a Batman movie before introducing Robin. :down

Sooooo... No Cap then either for you..?

[CaptainStacy]

Sooooo... No Cap then either for you..?

I could live without him in an initial Avengers movie, sure. However, as all REAL Avengers fans know; Cap is considered an honorary founding member, regardless. :yay:

[roach]

If I was doing it the first movie would be Ultron as the villain. Antman and Wasp would be shield technicians who build Ultron for Shield and things go horribly wrong. Ultron starts to kill everything in sight. Feeling guilty they decide to help and create the Antman and Wasp alter egos. Fury is not impressed and tells them to stay on the sidelines...but ofcourse they dont.

[roach]

Hawkeye and Black Widow are a waste. Should have been Hank and Janet.

You have a team of out of this world SUPER HEROES. Along side them you have a guy with good aim, and a girl who can do backflips... :huh:

Hawkeye and Widow would have been great for an espionage type SHEILD film. But they're both awful choices for The Avengers.

to be honest there isnt anything that Hawkeye and Blackwidow bring to the team that isnt already covered...distance weapons in Cap's shield, Thor's hammer, Iron Man's repulsors and anything Hulk can pick up
and bad @$$ fighting styles with Cap and Thor

[jab1118]

Honestly it doesnt really matter to me, I could do without all of them. More than likely Hawkeye Black Widow and probably Fury will all get a one minute bad ass action scene a piece just like widow got in IM2. The Pyms probably would have gotten the same. The rest of the time they will be backround characters delivering intel or helping assemble the team. The focus will be on Ironman Cap and Thor........as it should be.

[dpm07]

Honestly it doesnt really matter to me, I could do without all of them. More than likely Hawkeye Black Widow and probably Fury will all get a one minute bad ass action scene a piece just like widow got in IM2. The Pyms probably would have gotten the same. The rest of the time they will be backround characters delivering intel or helping assemble the team. The focus will be on Ironman Cap and Thor........as it should be.

I hope you are right, and what you're saying makes a lot of sense. However, if the Animated Avengers is any indication, we'll see Thor jobbing to the Hulk. Marvel's animation really hasn't gotten Thor right as evidenced in the Ultimate animated features and Hulk vs. feature.

My biggest fear is they will make Thor out to be powerful in the Thor film, but then turn around and have him job to The Hulk in order to play out how powerful the Hulk is when they are both on the same power level.

[roach]

Hulk has beaten Thor countless times in the comics

[Panthro]

I hope you are right, and what you're saying makes a lot of sense. However, if the Animated Avengers is any indication, we'll see Thor jobbing to the Hulk. Marvel's animation really hasn't gotten Thor right as evidenced in the Ultimate animated features and Hulk vs. feature.

My biggest fear is they will make Thor out to be powerful in the Thor film, but then turn around and have him job to The Hulk in order to play out how powerful the Hulk is when they are both on the same power level.
Thor gets no respect, and frankly I'm getting tired of the Hulk.

[Chris Wallace]

I truly don't know. But female superheroes tend to get the short end of the stick, even in team movies. (See Storm, Invisible Woman, Rogue.)

[Ultra Lantern]

Hawkeye

[Spider-Vader]

Jesus dude, what the hell's with you & reviving all of these old threads?

[BigThor]

Hulk has beaten Thor countless times in the comics

Actually they've both beaten each other quite a few times, people just choose to ignore Thor's victories because Hulk is the more popular character (therefore has more fans).

Thor gets no respect, and frankly I'm getting tired of the Hulk.

I agree except I like the Hulk, I'm just tired of him beating up everyone in Marvel's cartoons.

Jesus dude, what the hell's with you & reviving all of these old threads?

Yeah and it's starting to get on my nerves because it's pushing back all the relevant threads.

[Godzilla2000]

Okay, you said to be honest and I am. I seriously just do not care about the whole matter because as far as I'm concerned between all the male hotties in this movie I'm pretty much satisfied.

[ladyloki]

Okay, you said to be honest and I am. I seriously just do not care about the whole matter because as far as I'm concerned between all the male hotties in this movie I'm pretty much satisfied.


lol awesome posts as always .. however miss marvel or scarlett witch would have been awesome, it would have been cool to see how they stood against Loki. I know joss would have given them a kick ass role

[BigThor]

I hope you are right, and what you're saying makes a lot of sense. However, if the Animated Avengers is any indication, we'll see Thor jobbing to the Hulk. Marvel's animation really hasn't gotten Thor right as evidenced in the Ultimate animated features and Hulk vs. feature.

My biggest fear is they will make Thor out to be powerful in the Thor film, but then turn around and have him job to The Hulk in order to play out how powerful the Hulk is when they are both on the same power level.

I agree with this post, although I'm almost a year late.

[gugumugats]

I love Antman and Wasp as scientist heroes, but I really think there is way more story potential and character chemistry with Hawkeye.

[gugumugats]

My biggest fear is they will make Thor out to be powerful in the Thor film, but then turn around and have him job to The Hulk in order to play out how powerful the Hulk is when they are both on the same power level.

I actually don't mind Hulk overpowering Thor. Even though Thor is a god, he is given more of a sci-fi background in this franchise.

[marcvader]

I love Antman and Wasp as scientist heroes, but I really think there is way more story potential and character chemistry with Hawkeye.

Waaay more story potential with the Pyms. Are you kidding me?

[Spider-Vader]

The team needs a character with a sense of humor besides Tony. I'm excited to see Clint & Tony go at it with the jokes. Well...if Hawkeye is sarcastic in the MCU that is.

[BigThor]

I actually don't mind Hulk overpowering Thor. Even though Thor is a god, he is given more of a sci-fi background in this franchise.

Except that Hulk ALWAYS overpower Thor in recent media, it would be nice to see them fight on fairly even grounds like they do in the comics.

Waaay more story potential with the Pyms. Are you kidding me?

Ultron who is one of the greatest Avengers villains ever was created by Hank Pym, so that alone should show their importance.

[conan69]

IMHO, the Avengers should be Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Antman and Wasp.

With Hulk appearing in the film, but not "really" a member of the team.

I'm ok with what we have for the first film, but Id like to see the Pyms and Ultron in a sequel.

[Spider-Vader]

That roster would be good. But I'm 100% sure Hulk always would have been a member. I wouldn't be surprised if he sticks around for sequels.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Neither would I. He is a major character, if you ask me.