How could a guy with no real powers lead the Avengers

[The Austrian]

... i was always wondering

you have a god (thor), you have iron-man, you have a thousend more gifted superheros - how come a guy with lil' wings on his head on not real super-powers could become the leader ????

[hopefuldreamer]

ummmm... what? how are his powers not real?

[Shivsguy616]

How could a guy with no real powers lead the avangers?

In armor armed with missiles and capable of flight?

[The Austrian]

compared to thor, iron man, hulk, etc .... hmm.... not real powers .... (same as hawkeye, i mean, c'mon ... others can lift tons, he can shoot an arrow ..) ..... (kind of same like superman and batman) ... no, makes no sense to me
(no offense to all the true fans of cap obviously)

[C. Lee]

So...only strength determines who can be a leader? Intelligence, compassion, and things like that don't count, huh?

[The Austrian]

right ... i have to agree on this one !

but still, being an ant surrounded by giants ... it would not work !

[Shivsguy616]

I know, it'd be like putting a politician in charge of those big, strapping young soldiers... wait a minute...

[C. Lee]

right ... i have to agree on this one !

but still, being an ant surrounded by giants ... it would not work !

The leader of the United States of America during one of it's darkest hours was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His leadership helped bring us out of the great depression and he lead the country and the world through WWII. Roosevelt was also confined to a wheelchair because of polio....he could stand with the aid of leg braces and crutches, but not walk.

There are more things to being a leader, than being able to club the other guy over the head.

[The Austrian]

never saw it that way, u could be right .....

nope, you guys are right !! (not only could be)

[Shivsguy616]

never saw it that way, u could be right .....

He is right. Well, except for the leading the world part... but that's not relevant here.

nope, you guys are right !! (not only could be)

I guess I spoke too soon then.

[KalMart]

Just like the Justice League (and superhero movies in general?) couldn't do without that guy from Gotham with no real powers.

[hopefuldreamer]

From wiki:

The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Lactic_acid) in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500 kg) and running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute. Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers cannot become intoxicated by alcohol, drugs, or impurities in the air and is immune to terrestrial diseases. There have been many attempts to recreate this formula but after the death of its creator the secrets of creating a super-soldier died with him.

So again, I have to ask how he has less 'powers' than Tony Stark... who has none... just some really advanced tech.

[knowsbleed]

The leader of the United States of America during one of it's darkest hours was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His leadership helped bring us out of the great depression and he lead the country and the world through WWII. Roosevelt was also confined to a wheelchair because of polio....he could stand with the aid of leg braces and crutches, but not walk.

And now we know who you voted for back in the '30s/'40s.

[Shivsguy616]

From wiki:

The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Lactic_acid) in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500 kg) and running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute. Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers cannot become intoxicated by alcohol, drugs, or impurities in the air and is immune to terrestrial diseases. There have been many attempts to recreate this formula but after the death of its creator the secrets of creating a super-soldier died with him.

So again, I have to ask how he has less 'powers' than Tony Stark... who has none... just some really advanced tech.

Strange that he can run inconceivably fast, yet only bech press slightly more than real weight lifters. Were those limits set recently or a good while ago? The record in the 40's was less than half of what it is now; that might account for it.

[Spider-Vader]

Someone needs some comic reading to do.

[gdw]

As others have said, he leads because he is best at it.

The same way that Wolverine could kick Cyclopes' ass, Wolverine is simply not a leader. He's far from a follower as well, but that's a bit different.

Powers aren't what make you a leader. Similarly, look at Charlie. He never shows the skills his Angels have, but he's their leader.

[Blackman]

Because
Thor is an arrogant jerk
IM is immature
Hulk is...the Hulk

Cap has good values and is the most "clean" out of the others. He is the best leader out of all of them.

[Dark Raven]

Since Hulk is the most powerful Avenger, he ought to lead them... if power is what constitutes good leadership qualities.

You should read Secret Wars #1 where Wolverine says (about Cap when the heroes are deciding who should lead them) something like "Wait a minute! He's the least of us. I won't follow him" Thor replies: "I will. I am a god but I will gladly follow him anywhere" or something like that.

[Silvermoth]

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8203/4920a20classy20group20o.jpg

/close thread

[TikkiEXX]

i figure all the military training may have something to do with it. not to mention strength of character, tactical aptitude, reliability, adaptability, and a ton of other reasons. basically Cap gets the job done. thats all there is to it.

[JeetKuneDo]

The leader of the United States of America during one of it's darkest hours was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His leadership helped bring us out of the great depression and he lead the country and the world through WWII. Roosevelt was also confined to a wheelchair because of polio....he could stand with the aid of leg braces and crutches, but not walk.

There are more things to being a leader, than being able to club the other guy over the head.

Well put.

From wiki:

The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Lactic_acid) in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500 kg) and running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute. Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers cannot become intoxicated by alcohol, drugs, or impurities in the air and is immune to terrestrial diseases. There have been many attempts to recreate this formula but after the death of its creator the secrets of creating a super-soldier died with him.

So again, I have to ask how he has less 'powers' than Tony Stark... who has none... just some really advanced tech.

Nice to see it put into print like that. Just watching The Incredible Hulk when Blonsky takes the formula should inform anyone that Cap is far from powerless.

[SuperFerret]

As others have said, he leads because he is best at it.

The same way that Wolverine could kick Cyclopes' ass, Wolverine is simply not a leader. He's far from a follower as well, but that's a bit different.

Powers aren't what make you a leader. Similarly, look at Charlie. He never shows the skills his Angels have, but he's their leader.

:pal::lmao::funny::hehe:

[Ipodman]

:pal::lmao::funny::hehe:

He has a couple of times

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, but he shouldn't have.

[Ipodman]

He has beserker rage

[SuperFerret]

He also has to be near Cyclops to do something.

[KalMart]

You are all geeks.

[R_Hythlodeus]

wait...this thread is real?

[Astro13Zombie]

Because he's Captain America.

[C. Lee]

He has beserker rage

The new mutant VALIUM GIRL takes care of that.

[C. Lee]

wait...this thread is real?

No...you're dreaming...go back to sleep.

[cryptic name]

i hate to add to the off topic-ness and am annoyed as anyone about the proliferation of Wolverine...but: Cyclops is a great fighter, a strong leader, and a powerful mutant. Wolverine is a living weapon that is for all intents and purposes unstoppable and unkillable. In a real fight, he takes Cyke down, no question.

[captainrogers]

i hate to add to the off topic-ness and am annoyed as anyone about the proliferation of Wolverine...but: Cyclops is a great fighter, a strong leader, and a powerful mutant. Wolverine is a living weapon that is for all intents and purposes unstoppable and unkillable. In a real fight, he takes Cyke down, no question.

....given Cyke's recent openess to lethal measures, I don't think he'd let Logan close enough to make any sort of move. Those beams can be pretty lethal. But these ARE comics. There are justifiable(as well as unjustifiable) reasons either could take the other out.

[GhostPoet]

So...only strength determines who can be a leader? Intelligence, compassion, and things like that don't count, huh?


Waitaminute...isn't that how we do things in America??

=P

[The Question]

... i was always wondering

you have a god (thor), you have iron-man, you have a thousend more gifted superheros - how come a guy with lil' wings on his head on not real super-powers could become the leader ????

By having leadership skills. This isn't some old fashioned warrior society where the leader is the guy with the biggest muscles. He's the leader because he's the best suited for the job and everybody likes him.

[Steelsheen]

agreed with the others.

apologies for lack of a better example, but the typical assumption of being "leader of the pack" would be Superman and the Justice League. back in the old days its probably true because Supes was the strongest, but over the decades it has proven that his strength of character and ability to inspire is even stronger than any of his super abilities. thats why despite the knights-of-the-round-table leadership set up of the Justice League, everybody still looks to Superman as the defacto leader and not Batman.

Batman is not exactly the image of the typical leader, despite all the other sidekicks and groups he's affiliated with. Batman's brand of leadership isnt to inspire, but to blaze the trail, not really caring if anybody follows him or not. it just so happens that that brazenness prompts others to follow him. sheep mentality does the rest.

the Avengers set up is that you have a leader that inspires but isnt as superpowered as the rest of the group (i will get to Iron Man later)-- taking facets of the Superman-Batman characterization. and thats the beauty of it-- it emphasizes Captain America's ability to inspire and to lead people a lot more powerful than himself but is not a "damsel in distress" situation that a prompts a group to form around (such as the Fellowship of the Ring for lack of a better example). and where is Iron Man in this set-up? he's the maverick, the devil's advocate-- the guy that balances the leader.

every group/ partnership needs a leader and a devil's advocate. that keeps the balance. otherwise everything will end up extremely lopsided-- either you have a dictatorship or disunity.

[misjuevos]

if you need an answer to fit with the avengers movie then how about this. cap is the only one with military training and shield is very militant in their operations. so they would try to pick the most qualified. cap is the only one with any field training in leading a squad. so he is choice number 1. also the others respect cap since they knew of him back in the day as a fallen hero.

[Denny67]

Strange that he can run inconceivably fast, yet only bech press slightly more than real weight lifters. Were those limits set recently or a good while ago? The record in the 40's was less than half of what it is now; that might account for it.

I think what you are lacking is the proper context.

The people who bench that much weight are far from “normal weightlifters.” There are only a handful of people worldwide that can bench that much and it is only due to a lifetime of training, and regardless of any denials is in fact with the aid on anabolic steroids. All with a singular focus aimed all maximizing that one specific lift.

To "just be able to" beach that much within the framework of your normal, everyday, walking around, state of fitness is absolutely astounding and would be without a doubt classified as "superhuman."

[Shivsguy616]

I think what you are lacking is the proper context.

The people who bench that much weight are far from “normal weightlifters.” There are only a handful of people worldwide that can bench that much and it is only due to a lifetime of training, and regardless of any denials is in fact with the aid on anabolic steroids. All with a singular focus aimed all maximizing that one specific lift.

To "just be able to" beach that much within the framework of your normal, everyday, walking around, state of fitness is absolutely astounding and would be without a doubt classified as "superhuman."



I didn't say "normal weightlifters". I said "real weightlifters".
Actually the main reason for the ability to lift so much is compression shirts, but that's besides the point. Of course Cap "just being able to" is superhuman, but my point was that his "just being able to" run that fast is superhuman to a far higher level; one far, far beyond the capabilities of any human now or likely ever.

[Hoblin]

Whenever anyone asks me what superhero's powers I would like to have, I always say "Captain America."

Word.

[marcvader]

It would be cool if there was a show like mythbusters around the time of the Cap movie release that explored the science behind optimal human conditions, the physics behind the shield, and protective military gear.

[Shivsguy616]

Someone needs some comic reading to do.(sic)

Why?

[misjuevos]

It would be cool if there was a show like mythbusters around the time of the Cap movie release that explored the science behind optimal human conditions, the physics behind the shield, and protective military gear.

there was something similar to this on the dark knight blu ray. showed his gadgets and the practical real life versions of them.

[storyteller]

Its for the same reason they need to be teamed together. The threat require more then just punching. It needs a military strategist. Thor is a damn viking who doesn't know what that means. He has the hulk mentality with a hammer.

[wobbly]

I didn't say "normal weightlifters". I said "real weightlifters".
Actually the main reason for the ability to lift so much is compression shirts, but that's besides the point. Of course Cap "just being able to" is superhuman, but my point was that his "just being able to" run that fast is superhuman to a far higher level; one far, far beyond the capabilities of any human now or likely ever.

Whichever writer came up with the 'mile in a minute' idea probably didn't think about it too much and do the math (the fastest a human can run at this time is still under 30 mph...Having Cap sprint twice that fast is pushing it).
The way I've looked at Cap's abilities is take every world record there is for for running, jumping, strength, swimming, acrobatics, etc, and ramp it up a few notches for Cap.
The only huge difference is his being able to sustain speed/strength endurance would take him well beyond the records held by current middle/long distance runners, swimmers etc. And with things like weights he could press 500kg continuously, rather than just in one big lift.

[KatarHol]

I think Frank Miller said it best in Daredevil Born Again......."A soldier with a voice that could command a God....and does.."

[captainrogers]

Whichever writer came up with the 'mile in a minute' idea probably didn't think about it too much and do the math (the fastest a human can run at this time is still under 30 mph...Having Cap sprint twice that fast is pushing it).
The way I've looked at Cap's abilities is take every world record there is for for running, jumping, strength, swimming, acrobatics, etc, and ramp it up a few notches for Cap.
The only huge difference is his being able to sustain speed/strength endurance would take him well beyond the records held by current middle/long distance runners, swimmers etc. And with things like weights he could press 500kg continuously, rather than just in one big lift.

It was Brubaker, and I think he had the pseudo caveat of "when I have to" in terms of that running performance. But these are comics, and a characters abilities are usually dictated by what the story requires.

[captainrogers]

I think Frank Miller said it best in Daredevil Born Again......."A soldier with a voice that could command a God....and does.."

Most awesome description of caps abilities. "muscles like pistons" or something like that.

[KatarHol]

Most awesome description of caps abilities. "muscles like pistons" or something like that.
He's only in maybe,5 pages of that story but his presence is so strong,it may be my favorite Cap thing in all of comics. Especially when Nuke is shooting up that hallway and then the sound effects change from BLAM,BLAM,BLAM to PING,PING,PING....and the look on his face is like..."I'm about to crap my pants because here comes Captain freakin America"

[wobbly]

I think Frank Miller said it best in Daredevil Born Again......."A soldier with a voice that could command a God....and does.."

That was a great story all round. Miller at his best :up:

[Silvermoth]

I've always imagined Steve with a quieter voice myself. Like JFK almost but that's just me.

[redlion2]

I think one of the qualities that helps Cap's leadership skills is his indomitable will. No matter how impossible the odds may seem or how powerful his opponent may seem, Cap seems to always believe that somehow he will triumph. No matter what, he is going to keep coming at you until he finds a way to beat you.

Tony Stark is a genius and courageous to be sure but sometimes he despairs, he doubts, Cap seems to always have the confidence and the right strategy to win. Tony has seen what Cap is capable of and when he (Tony) begins to falter he has trust, respect and faith that Cap will stay the course. Naturally, Tony would follow this guy because he trusts Cap knows what he's doing.

Thor truly respects Cap's brave heart and his moral compass. I think Thor has stated of all the mortals he has met, Cap is one of the bravest and has one of the purest hearts. As a warrior himself, Thor respects that but Thor and the rest of the Avengers know that as a tactician, there's none better. That's why Cap was able to lead both the Avengers and JLA because of his uncanny ability to strategize on the fly.

Before Steve Rogers took the SSS he impressed everyone with his determination so that quality was always there, I think the serum enhanced that trait even more but that's just my opinion.

[Stripesy Strip]

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

[M.O.Steel]

well just like batman can hold his own in the JL.

[captainrogers]

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

[KalMart]

How can Lex Luthor be the arch-nemesis of the most powerful of Superheroes....without having powers himself?




Answer: "....llLLLLAAAAANNNnnddddd....." :D

[KalMart]

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

That's 'cuz they're all a bunch of right-wing tight-arses.


;)

[wobbly]

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

The DC Vs Marvel one was considered Canon for a spell, but whichever is the latest one stands as long as the story treated them as 2 separate universes (any crossover that ignores that and treat them as one world, like Spider-Man Vs Superman, Batman Vs hulk etc, is never canon).

[captainrogers]

The DC Vs Marvel one was considered Canon for a spell, but whichever is the latest one stands as long as the story treated them as 2 separate universes (any crossover that ignores that and treat them as one world, like Spider-Man Vs Superman, Batman Vs hulk etc, is never canon).
I don't think that DC vs Marvel was ever considered cannon. The only reason I can safely say that JLA/Avengers is, is because elements and outcomes from this story were still in use after it was done. (the fate of Krona, Cosmic egg, etc.)

[Kurosawa]

As others have said, he leads because he is best at it.

The same way that Wolverine could kick Cyclopes' ass, Wolverine is simply not a leader. He's far from a follower as well, but that's a bit different.

Powers aren't what make you a leader. Similarly, look at Charlie. He never shows the skills his Angels have, but he's their leader.

Cyke has beaten Wolverine and the only chance Wolverine has is because Cyke wouldn't want to kill him. Cyclops could literally disintegrate every molecule in Wolverine's body if he so chose to. And as I said, he has goaded Wolverine into a berzerker rage and beaten him before. Remember, superhero comic book fights are nothing but popularity contests. That's why Batman beats Superman instead of losing in a humiliating fashion in 5 seconds which is what would make sense.

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

Cap is the ultimate winner. Ask Mister Hyde about it-it seems every time he runs into Cap, Cap is having the worst day ever and Hyde (who is very powerful) gets his ass handed to him.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Cap leads the avengers because of stratigic wisdom and his abilitie to never back down from a fight nomatter who he is fighting he is the ultimate "if there is a will there is a way" guy. Strength of the mind and heart always beat strength of the body.This is like putting to chumps in a fight one is twice as big as the other guy but the runt has something to fight for. I liken this to why superheroes always win in the end. they are self less and care much more about the greater good then say a villain who isnt willing to die for there cause

[Dragon]

The reason Cap is the best choice to lead the Avengers is the very fact that he isn't superhuman. Because of his lack of super strength and invulnerability, hre's managed to survive terrible odds by being a great strategist.
He's also a better leader in that he doesn't have many of the ego issues that a godling, a billionaire playboy and a head-case like Bruce Banner would have.

[Tony Stark]

Cap is the epitome of leadership, however, this version of Cap is going to be somewhat Ultimate in that he will have superpowers. The second is that Iron Man will most likely be the leader of the Avengers in the movie, just as he is in the new animated Avengers.

Having said that there's never been a problem with Cap not having superpowers, just as there's never been a problem with Batman never having powers.

[Marvin]

caps the leader cause there's no one else that can lol
(cept maybe cyclops) (the jla has multiple characters that could lead at anytime)

actually he's just sure of himself and intelligent, also he's got a good old american spirit about him. kinda like tom hanks in private ryan but more caricatured.
hopefully chris evans does something interesting with the material.

[captainrogers]

Great Panel from Frank Miller's Daredevil.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3293/capawesome001.th.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/capawesome001.jpg/)

[Hoblin]

^^ Damn yes!

[SuperFerret]

Cap is the epitome of leadership, however, this version of Cap is going to be somewhat Ultimate in that he will have superpowers. The second is that Iron Man will most likely be the leader of the Avengers in the movie, just as he is in the new animated Avengers.

Having said that there's never been a problem with Cap not having superpowers, just as there's never been a problem with Batman never having powers.

What? Cap's always had superpowers.

[wobbly]

What? Cap's always had superpowers.

Not quite. Though his abilities can be considered superhuman (being the best at just about anything physical a human can do should be regarded as that) he has no powers beyond that. Thor and Iron-Man (via his armour at least) can both fly, have strength far in excess of Cap, are invulnerable to standard weaponry, and can both fire off highly destructive weapons at will. Hulk again has strength far beyond cap, is virtually invulnerable, and has super fast healing too.

But I guess it's how you define 'powers' in the end. For me powers is something clearly beyond anything a human can ever do or an ability we simply do not possess at all on any level, Like flying at will, sticking to walls, controlling the weather with a thought, the strength to lift outrageously heavy weights, etc.

[captainrogers]

Not quite. Though his abilities can be considered superhuman (being the best at just about anything physical a human can do should be regarded as that) he has no powers beyond that. Thor and Iron-Man (via his armour at least) can both fly, have strength far in excess of Cap, are invulnerable to standard weaponry, and can both fire off highly destructive weapons at will. Hulk again has strength far beyond cap, is virtually invulnerable, and has super fast healing too.

But I guess it's how you define 'powers' in the end. For me powers is something clearly beyond anything a human can ever do or an ability we simply do not possess at all on any level, Like flying at will, sticking to walls, controlling the weather with a thought, the strength to lift outrageously heavy weights, etc.

Agreed. Cap doesn't hit the superhumanity markers for strength, speed, durability etc. in the Marvel U, but in terms of total body mechanics and function, he is WAY beyond what all other humans are. I've described Cap as a Human without limits. (or Human without barriers)

[SuperFerret]

And that counts as a superpower. He's usually written at being peak human at EVERYTHING (an impossibility in reality) or being just above peak human at EVERYTHING. Both are "superhuman".

[wobbly]

Depends on your point of view, but for me there's a difference between Super-powered and super-human.

What I'm getting at is it can be argued the current world's strongest man is superhuman, as no ordinary human comes even close to them. Likewise, the world's fastest sprinter, etc.

'Super Powers' implies the things I've already mentioned, basically the ability to do something that is not at all possible for any human. Any characters who can fly unassisted, can stretch their limbs like Mr. Fantastic, turn invisible, flame on, stick to walls, etc.

[SuperFerret]

And being the strongest a man can be as well as the fastest and most agile, etc. all at the same time is impossible for any human.

[wobbly]

And being the strongest a man can be as well as the fastest and most agile, etc. all at the same time is impossible for any human.

Again, superhuman. But that is not a power as such, but the perfect physical condition the Super Soldier treatment has left him in.

Like I've said before, this one is down to your point of view. Though he certainly does qualify as Superhuman I personally don't consider Cap to be super-powered (I've already stated examples of things I'd call powers so I won't repeat them)

If you don't agree with me treating those terms as being different that's fine.

[SuperFerret]

:argh:

[misjuevos]

again cap is the only one with leadership and experience leading a squad. thor fights with the other gods but just goes in by himself and wreaks havoc on his enemy. he fights by himself so he can unleash his power. hulk and iron man have no experience at all leading a squadron.

[captainrogers]

again cap is the only one with leadership and experience leading a squad. thor fights with the other gods but just goes in by himself and wreaks havoc on his enemy. he fights by himself so he can unleash his power. hulk and iron man have no experience at all leading a squadron.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say they have no leadership experience AT ALL. Thor has lead/does lead. He has led his fellow Asguardians into battle, and has centuries of experience. ( Thor HAS been King once or twice) Stark has also had his turn at leading his fellow Avengers. (I believe he was Force Works head as well) Also, the man leads and operates a multi-national company. Hulk, recently had his own turn at leadership with the Events spinning outta Planet Hulk. Granted he was King for like 5 minutes, but he proved a capable leader to his Warbound. Thor and Ironman have proven themselves, great leaders. Ditto other characters like the Black Panther. What makes Cap so damn impressive, is the fact that even Gods, monsters and Kings of industry and people will shut up and defer to his orders.
(multiple great sequences during Geoff Johns run on Avengers, where Namor, posterboy for sense of superiority, shows his reverence and respect to our good Captain. I think it's his World trust story arc)

[misjuevos]

im talking about the movieverse, not comics. thought this was about the movie cap.

[captainrogers]

Well, we don't know if movie Cap or Thor have led anything yet...

[Mercurius]

His leadership has nothing to do with power: it comes from his moral strenght in being the responsible one, his respect for life, his stern principles, his commitment.

Of course, movieverse is another thing (judging from that stupid comic-con poster in which he is more of a lunatic leader of manslaught); even in the comics they have already put some shades of grey into his integrity.

But the basis of his legendary leadership over powerful men and women (and a god) used to be the above mentioned.

[captainrogers]

Lunatic leader? Because he is holding a pistol, and probably abiding by the Laws of Armed Conflict? (like any other member of the US military?)

[wobbly]

Lunatic leader? Because he is holding a pistol, and probably abiding by the Laws of Armed Conflict? (like any other member of the US military?)

Over dramatising for effect. 'Manslaught'? If I was one of the servicemen who fought in that war (or any war for that matter) who knew full well it was kill or be killed on the battlefield, I would hope my efforts on behalf on my country would be granted a lot more respect.

[captainrogers]

O yeah. I remember this argument....

[wobbly]

Does he look like 'the lunatic leader of manslaught' now? Or does he look like a good number of portrayals of Cap in the battlefields?

http://www.kellcom.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MKCAPPOSTER.jpg

The only difference is he no longer has a gun :cwink:

[wobbly]

O yeah. I remember this argument....

As do I :csad:

[wobbly]

Edit: SHH lag causing a double post :csad:

[Slushy]

Decades of experience breeds leadership skills.