Superman's physique in the next film.

[DGrayson]

There's a thread over in the Batman boards about how bulked up Christian Bale should be for the next Batman movie, and about the ideal body for Batman. I haven't seen a smiliar thread here (if there's already one, feel free to close this one). I personally always imagined Superman as more of a regular guy with muscle definition rather than a body builder as he is portrayed most of the time in the comics, he is not human after all and there really is no need for a lot of muscle since his physiology allows him to pick up and toss a car.


But how bulked up do you guys think the actor who protrays Superman in the next film should be?, Do you guys think it should look leaner than Bale in Batman or with more muscle mass?

[Young Superman]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg

[nocomics]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg
That build is fine with me not too bulky,not too slender..Now the suit is a different story and a different thread:woot:

[BH/HHH]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg

:up: spot on

[Man of Steel]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg
This is Superman! Just change the symbol to the Smallville one and the whole thing, especially the physique, is perfect.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg
Great looking suit. Was this Superman modeled after Chris Reeve? There sure is an uncanny resemblance.

[DIRECTOR]

Brandon Routh's body was just fine. It can't be a guy that is too bulky, he isn't suppose to be a meat head

[annie.j88]

Great looking suit. Was this Superman modeled after Chris Reeve? There sure is an uncanny resemblance.

iread somewhere that he was

[Young Superman]

Great looking suit. Was this Superman modeled after Chris Reeve? There sure is an uncanny resemblance.

Yes

[Alonsovich]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg

I don't like the bulky Supes that much... but there are much more types of Superman in the comics, enough variety to not end up with yet another Reeve clone... I'd say this time to look for a Supes that has a body more with a v-shape... broad shoulders and chest with smaller waist.

[Kurosawa]

Superman doesn't need to look insanely huge like a wrestler. Routh was built fine and that panel is fine.

[GinsterHead]

Brandon Routh had a pretty good physique for the role, but you could barely tell with that rubbery suit of his. :doh:

That picture above looks about right, anyway. :up:

[JP]

God. This thread. Here we go. Like clockwork.

Can't wait for the cape, hair, and height threads. :up:

[Rust]

Well, you cant really compare the above drawing to the real thing, because in comics everybody looks ripped more or less, but yes, it's been toned down a bit in the above drawing. But if you were to translate it to the real world, he'd still look as ripped as, say Schwarzenegger and I dont wanna look at that.

But yeah, Routh and also Welling look adequate. Tall, strong frames and naturally ripped.

[Adenjo]

I'm not saying Welling should be Superman but..
Smallville season 9 Welling was the perfect shape/height/build for Superman.

[matrix_ghost]

He needs to be bulky but not uber-bulky. Toned would be a better description however

1 It depends on when the actor portraying SUpes is cast , what physical state he's in and how long he has to train for the movie
I don't know the exat details but ROuth was skinny when he was cast as Supes and had 6 months to train for the role. You could use the same pattern for this movie . Of course if the actor is already muscular , it helps to get a better body. Look at Hugh Jackman. Post X2 he didn't drop the muscles an as result was better toned in Wolverine.

2 A huge size wouldn't matter if you have a lame suit
I'm sorry but the suit in Returns sucked. Get a big S on the chest .'

I was thinking about this a couple of days ago. With the news of Green Lantern getting a CG suit , do you guys think that WB might use a similar tactic for Superman. Not make an alien suit but rather creating a more muscular version of the suit.

[JBElliott]

I'd like to see the actor be big like Clint Walker (which is bigger than Routh and Reeve, both of whom were a bit to thin to really fill out the costume), but not especially cut, ripped, shredded or what ever.

The physique of the actor should feel like (though not look exactly like) the version of Clark/Superman drawn by Tim Sale in "Superman for all Seasons." The physique that Alex Ross draws for Superman would also be good.

An aside: the argument about Clark not being human and thus not needing to be muscular is silly and should be given a rest. Sure Clark could look like Dustin Hoffman and still be super strong since he's a Krytponian on Earth. The thing is, Superman has always been drawn as a large and well muscled man. So there's a lot of precedence for wanting that physique on an actor playing the part.

[B]

Tom Welling has had the perfect/best live action build for Superman since about season 6 of Smallville, onwards. His build has progressed with each passing series.
Brandon Routh's build is much more Superman like, now, than it was when he was in Superman Returns, rather annoyingly.

Whoever is cast should get a picture of what these 2 look like now & aim for something similar.

They need to give the actor time to prepare for the role as well, particularly if its someone that has never really trained in such a way before as they'll take a little longer to put on muscle than someone who trains regularly and/or has had that amount of muscle mass before.

[Rust]

I'd like to see the actor be big like Clint Walker (which is bigger than Routh and Reeve, both of whom were a bit to thin to really fill out the costume), but not especially cut, ripped, shredded or what ever.

The physique of the actor should feel like (though not look exactly like) the version of Clark/Superman drawn by Tim Sale in "Superman for all Seasons." The physique that Alex Ross draws for Superman would also be good.


I'm starting to think that Alex Ross actually used Walker for reference when drawing.

http://www.meredy.com/walkerc01.jpg

:wow:

[JBElliott]

I'm starting to think that Alex Ross actually used Walker for reference when drawing.

http://www.meredy.com/walkerc01.jpg

:wow:

Well I know Phil Noto thinks of Walker when he draws Superman (he said that specifically in an interview with Wizard Magazine years ago) and on this very board Jamal Igle has said as much and posted a sketch of that in the costume thread. I think SuperMike posted something about Ross using Walker as inspiration for Superman as well.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm fine with a Superman physique like this. Big enough to look imposing as Supes, but not bodybuilder size to ruin the Clark Kent disguise.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs131.ash2/39884_10150217674285262_10150131491105262_13832396 _290418_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs129.snc4/36794_10150217674300262_10150131491105262_13832397 _7584253_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs142.ash2/40452_10150218252065262_10150131491105262_13844468 _2698272_n.jpg

[not_a_victim]

I'm fine with a Superman physique like this. Big enough to look imposing as Supes, but not bodybuilder size to ruin the Clark Kent disguise.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs131.ash2/39884_10150217674285262_10150131491105262_13832396 _290418_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs129.snc4/36794_10150217674300262_10150131491105262_13832397 _7584253_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs142.ash2/40452_10150218252065262_10150131491105262_13844468 _2698272_n.jpg

You're right.
Some people blasted Routh for his physique, but he looked huge out of the costume. I think the prevailing theory is that the costume squeezed him so much, it made him look smaller, and took away some definition.

However, with guys like Jackman, Chiris Helmsworth, and now Chris Evans getting monster sized for their respective roles, I think we should/could have a Supes that is a monster. Not pro-wrestling monster sized, but BIG.
I mean, have you seen the pic of Chris Helmsworth as Thor when he is trying to pick up his hammer that was published a few months ago? That man has set the new standard for a true actor to gain musculature in a superhero movie, and, in a quirky twist, his costume won't show his physique at all...

[JBElliott]

You're right.
Some people blasted Routh for his physique, but he looked huge out of the costume. I think the prevailing theory is that the costume squeezed him so much, it made him look smaller, and took away some definition.

I don't think you can say that the suit squeezed him. Water is an incompressible fluid, and humans are largely water. So if you squeeze them in one place, other places will bugle. If the suit squeezed Routh's arms, then did his hands and head bulge?

I do think you can say the cut of the suit and placement of the cape etc. served to down play what bulk he had. When the suit came out there were several manips of it showing it with a larger S-shield, lower cut collar and cape attachment that were closer to the comics. In the resulting image Routh looked bigger.

However, with guys like Jackman, Chiris Helmsworth, and now Chris Evans getting monster sized for their respective roles, I think we should/could have a Supes that is a monster. Not pro-wrestling monster sized, but BIG.
I mean, have you seen the pic of Chris Helmsworth as Thor when he is trying to pick up his hammer that was published a few months ago? That man has set the new standard for a true actor to gain musculature in a superhero movie, and, in a quirky twist, his costume won't show his physique at all...

I don't think the actor needs to be ripped, shredded or exploded with veins popping everywhere, but I do think the actor needs to be thickly and heavily muscled, more than Routh or Reeve were. I don't think the actor should have the massive quads that body builders often have (while not having chicken legs either), the physique should be a little top heavy.

[Gianakin_]

Earth One costume and physique would be fine by me.

[JBElliott]

Earth One costume and physique would be fine by me.

I'm not a fan of it. The hair drawn on Superman there looks too "emo" and the costume is a mishmash of what's in style these days and the physique is the generic superhero physique. Nothing special there.

[Castro]

guarantee snyder sends the new supes to do the same training butler did for 300, which i think would look amazing on a 6'5 guy. Just hope there won't be any slow motion zoom in shots of supes shirtless body in a very homo erotic way.

[Man of Tomorrow]

There SO will be.

[Alientraveller]

Homoerotic? I'm all for fan service (a shirtles Clark defending the farm?) if it means girls will see the movie! :P

But I do agree, Snyder himself is a gym rat who actually participated with his actors' training for 300, so Supes will look pretty buff.

[storyteller]

Well with Thor though we have the guy straining to life an object in the rain and from certain angles. His muscle definition was going to show through. Now in costume though that definition is just gone. Now as to the returns suit compressing Routh. Yeah the human body is made up of water but we aren't a water balloon. Compressing a few centimeters in certain areas isn't going to make are heads and hands bigger. Muscle isn't water. Skin isn't water. Get some tight pants and you will compress not enough so that your blood forces the rest of yourself to bulge out.

[batman_1989_]

Interesting news:
http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/

[Eze]

Interesting news:
http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/

:wow:

[Draven]

Interesting news:
http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/


That is an excellent find.

[BH/HHH]

Thats a cool vid but Id rather the person actually have the right physique but then again maybe I wouldn't even know

[KaptainKrypton]

I don't think you can say that the suit squeezed him. Water is an incompressible fluid, and humans are largely water. So if you squeeze them in one place, other places will bugle. If the suit squeezed Routh's arms, then did his hands and head bulge?

I do think you can say the cut of the suit and placement of the cape etc. served to down play what bulk he had. When the suit came out there were several manips of it showing it with a larger S-shield, lower cut collar and cape attachment that were closer to the comics. In the resulting image Routh looked bigger.



I don't think the actor needs to be ripped, shredded or exploded with veins popping everywhere, but I do think the actor needs to be thickly and heavily muscled, more than Routh or Reeve were. I don't think the actor should have the massive quads that body builders often have (while not having chicken legs either), the physique should be a little top heavy.
It does squeeze. A lot. It was made of milliskin, which is highly compressed when compared to lycra or some of the other fabrics used to make Under Armour or Nike Dri-Fit compression shirts.

Typically, milliskin is used for dancer's costumes and the like. The trade-off is that the fabric they used for Routh's suit (also used for Fantastic Four and Spider-Man) had problems using the lowered neckline and enlargened shield because of how much the suit shrinks until it's put on the user. The positive for the stuff is that it shades well, apparently.

Notice that the necklines for Routh's suit, the FF and Spider-man suits were all around the same height. Not a coincidence. It's also why the stuntmen and Maguire all wore muscle padding underneath the suits like Routh did, and I'm willing to bet the FF cast did, as well. I personally think they should just go with the fabric consistency used for Nike Dri-Fit. I own one of those shirts and it has the right consistency to it and compliments the positives of a physique well (makes me feel pretty Super, even though I weigh a buck-eighty soaking wet). If they use that and customize it for the actor in question, then it'd look fine and probably cost a fraction of the price of the milliskin suits because they wouldn't have to crap out extra cash for the more expensive fabric and extra muscle padding.

I do believe that with this other fabric and the classic designs of the comic suit, Routh would've looked phenomenally better. It's almost like they paid extra for him to look mediocre, when during the bonus features, he was definitely no physical slouch during his workouts. It was almost like the suit design practically undid all the work Routh and Michael Ryan did in the gym.

[KaptainKrypton]

Interesting news:
http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/
Holy Moley.

[SatEL]

Have you guys seen how big the guy playing Thor is we shouldnt settle for anything less I want the actor playing Superman to look just as impressive.http://igossip.com/gossip/Celebrity_chris_hemsworth_shirtless_thor_15_Minute s_Of_Fame/1251156

[Project862006]

only guy as tall as hemsworth who has been suggested is Armie Hammer who is 6'5

[SatEL]

only guy as tall as hemsworth who has been suggested is Armie Hammer who is 6'5

Not bothered about height more so about build, this Hemsworth guy probably has the best Superhero build excluding Michael Jai White(Spawn) and Wesley Snipes(Blade). We cant have Thor looking better than Supes, the marvel fanboys will never let us here the end of it.

[Excelsior.]

We cant have Thor looking better than Supes, the marvel fanboys will never let us here the end of it.


Both will be covered most of the time anyway.

[SatEL]

Both will be covered most of the time anyway.

Thor already has a shirtless scene, so we all know his hench as ****. I am hoping Supes will have one not for homoerotic reasons but just to show that his as big and cut as Jackman and Hemsworth.

[SuperMike335!!]

The ideal physique for Superman?

Well, I'd say as muscular as you can possibly get, without crossing the line into looking like a bodybuilder as clark.

Somebody mentioned Clint Walker's type of build. That would be excellent.

Other guys with similar builds are Hugh Jackman, or even Joe Manganeillo.

Even if you do not like Joe M. for the role, he DOES have the right kind of build.

If they cast somebody else having them get as close to that kind of shape possible, and then if needed to go that step further, just cheat a bit as in this video: http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/

Again, this is not saying it needs to be Joe, but he has that kind of a build that is big enough to look massive in tight clothing, or shirtless, but yet hides very well in normal clothes.

Heck, Clark can still get away with looking thicker than this in a suit too, just has to avoid the bodybuilder look, and that does give some room.

Here is the illusion I am talking about, with the right size, and low enough bodyfat% you can look both huge, or normal in regular clothing. I mean in normal clothing he really looks thin, as in lot more skinny that Clark even needs to look.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg

Well I know Phil Noto thinks of Walker when he draws Superman (he said that specifically in an interview with Wizard Magazine years ago) and on this very board Jamal Igle has said as much and posted a sketch of that in the costume thread. I think SuperMike posted something about Ross using Walker as inspiration for Superman as well.

Ross has stated that he thinks Walker would have made a perfect Superman durring the 1960's, had there been a TV show then. I'm not 100% sure if he is the exact template, but I would not be suprised at all.

It could just be that Alex has a certain look he paints Superman, and he thinks that Walker resembles that look.

If anything Ross still adds more muscle than Walker really had. Then again, at different points in walker's career he was heavier or lighter, like anyone.

In this picture Walker was down in weight, and looked sort of thin compared to what he ussually looked like, but I can still see a resemblance.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3282/supermanwalkercompare.jpg

Here is a vid of Walker showing his home gym, looks pretty strong, but not a bodybuilder by any means. I think he was in his mid 40's when this was filmed too.

1IknyHOdKAQ

[SatEL]

The ideal physique for Superman?

Well, I'd say as muscular as you can possibly get, without crossing the line into looking like a bodybuilder as clark.

Somebody mentioned Clint Walker's type of build. That would be excellent.

Other guys with similar builds are Hugh Jackman, or even Joe Manganeillo.

Even if you do not like Joe M. for the role, he DOES have the right kind of build.

If they cast somebody else having them get as close to that kind of shape possible, and then if needed to go that step further, just cheat a bit as in this video: http://www.liquida.it/video/a50abff4f/moviereshape-tracking-and-reshaping-of-humans-in-videos/

Again, this is not saying it needs to be Joe, but he has that kind of a build that is big enough to look massive in tight clothing, or shirtless, but yet hides very well in normal clothes.

Heck, Clark can still get away with looking thicker than this in a suit too, just has to avoid the bodybuilder look, and that does give some room.

Here is the illusion I am talking about, with the right size, and low enough bodyfat% you can look both huge, or normal in regular clothing. I mean in normal clothing he really looks thin, as in lot more skinny that Clark even needs to look.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7107/0681fae1f3f97550ae89eaf.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5221/joemanganiellotrueblood.jpg



Ross has stated that he thinks Walker would have made a perfect Superman durring the 1960's, had there been a TV show then. I'm not 100% sure if he is the exact template, but I would not be suprised at all.

It could just be that Alex has a certain look he paints Superman, and he thinks that Walker resembles that look.

If anything Ross still adds more muscle than Walker really had. Then again, at different points in walker's career he was heavier or lighter, like anyone.

In this picture Walker was down in weight, and looked sort of thin compared to what he ussually looked like, but I can still see a resemblance.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3282/supermanwalkercompare.jpg

Here is a vid of Walker showing his home gym, looks pretty strong, but not a bodybuilder by any means. I think he was in his mid 40's when this was filmed too.

1IknyHOdKAQ


I will give the guy one time he certainly was clued up on the right way to exercise even during that time.

[Young Superman]

IMO Superman being as big as Thor is dumb. People seem to forget he's not Just Superman, he's Clark Kent as well.

P.S IMO Christopher Reeve had the perfect physique as Clark Kent and Superman.

[SatEL]

IMO Superman being as big as Thor is dumb. People seem to forget he's not Just Superman, he's Clark Kent as well.

P.S IMO Christopher Reeve had the perfect physique as Clark Kent and Superman.

No not really like the poster showed a big guy can look small in a suit, just look at that guy from True Blood.

[Rust]

Dont know where to put this, but maybe they could address what happens to Superman's "physique" during solar storms and the likes.

Could they potentially kill him or create a SUPER Superman?

[SuperMike335!!]

Dont know where to put this, but maybe they could address what happens to Superman's "physique" during solar storms and the likes.

Could they potentially kill him or create a SUPER Superman?


Like causing him to HULK out or something?

[manofsteel4life]

that could probably be a great way to actually fight Darksied one on one, without watering down Darksied, or having to make a J.L. just to have Darksied in it to be defeated

[JBElliott]

Well with Thor though we have the guy straining to life an object in the rain and from certain angles. His muscle definition was going to show through. Now in costume though that definition is just gone. Now as to the returns suit compressing Routh. Yeah the human body is made up of water but we aren't a water balloon. Compressing a few centimeters in certain areas isn't going to make are heads and hands bigger. Muscle isn't water. Skin isn't water. Get some tight pants and you will compress not enough so that your blood forces the rest of yourself to bulge out.

Actually, both skin and muscle are mostly water. Bones are the only thing in the body that isn't made of a majority of water. Tight pants will help make your feet and ankles swell. Girdles used to be used to make fat people look skinny and it works to some extent, but the overall "girth" of the person was unaffected though the distribution was.

The point is that the costume couldn't really compress Routh all that much. Routh looked too skinny for the part because he was too skinny for the part.

[Ultraman Nexus]

I think the problem with Routh is the poor guy did all this bulking up only to be encased in a rubber suit that made all his work practically invisible.

[The_Beav]

Michael O'Hearn was a good pick for the physical look, although I think he looked a little boyish. His acting needs honing. He even played Superman in Sandy Collera's World's Finest. Assuming he is still in shape, they should look at him.

[Astrodust]

I prefer Superman to be an above average atheletic male. Not too tall and not a bodybuilder. Someone around 6'1" is perfect. Also I'd like for some of the goons to be bigger than Superman. What's the fun of beating up on little henchmen.

[Doc Samson]

Said it before, say it again, Superman needs to be athletic, nothing more nothing less. Around 6'4 is good, but he shouldn't be a bodybuilder like some of the artists depict him, he's not pumping iron after all. Stylistically, I understand it, especially in comics, to show strength and all that, but I'd prefer a build like Christopher Reeve over something more muscular

[Eze]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC-WugZnS9WRncVjFDjxc_m-sIJs9GMZwO4yYz8aF6rV5dLj8&t=1&usg=__PW8O4H0K-WNzan39n9X-uBsRaIw=
Sandow-esque.

Our society should stop idolizing drug addicts and aspire to be this.

[SatEL]

Captain America


http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/cappy2.jpg


Thor

http://igossip.com/photos_2/july_2010/Celebrity_chris_hemsworth_shirtless_thor_87702.jpg (http://igossip.com/gossip/Photo_from_Matthew_McConaughey_is_on_Team_Armstron g_-2/508573)The old Superman http://www.orgonebox.org/allegoric/wp-content/gallery/routh_brandon/superman_returns_extras/sup_ret_x_(46).jpg Batman http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy287/kmrc0077/DKBoat.jpg

[conan69]

Actually I think Superman should look like Russell Crowe in Gladiator, maybe with a bit more meat on the arms.

He should be "naturally large", but theres no reason or him to look like a bodybuilder or anything else. Building up your body is a result of your body adapting to the physical strains you put it through. Superman should bulk up a bit as a result of what he does,heavy lifting etc, but not too much.

If you have any friends who are carpenters, you can see what I mean. A bit of bulk from the lifting and such that they do, but thats it.

[bizbaz20]

Captain America


http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/cappy2.jpg



:wow:


Oh wow, Evans has really buffed up lately.


Since Fantastic 4 I mean.



I think soon we will have a new wave of superbuff Superheroes.



And I don't think Superman should be any different.

[SuperMike335!!]

IMHO he should look as big and muscular as possible, without crossing the line into looking like a superheavyweight bodybuilder in a suit as Clark.

[storyteller]

Of course lets keep in mind that these guys are shirtless. Unless they are wearing something thin then its squeezed down. Hemsworth certainly doesn't look as big with the costume on but he is huge.

[Eze]

Of course lets keep in mind that these guys are shirtless. Unless they are wearing something thin then its squeezed down. Hemsworth certainly doesn't look as big with the costume on but he is huge.

If muscles are squeezed from costumes, enough to reduce the mass of limbs, then hands and faces begin to bloat and turn red. Sometimes second rate directors come up with excuses to rationalize bad ideas, like having the actor train in a pool when he should be lifting heavy weights (Routh), or maybe the actor in general is just too doughy to pull off that heroic physique and isn't motivated to train when the easy fix of foam muscles is there. (Maguire)

[batman44]

Actually I think Superman should look like Russell Crowe in Gladiator, maybe with a bit more meat on the arms.

He should be "naturally large", but theres no reason or him to look like a bodybuilder or anything else. Building up your body is a result of your body adapting to the physical strains you put it through. Superman should bulk up a bit as a result of what he does,heavy lifting etc, but not too much.

If you have any friends who are carpenters, you can see what I mean. A bit of bulk from the lifting and such that they do, but thats it.

This is what I had in mind, maybe a bit more cut than Crowe in Gladiator.

[ChickenScratch]

I think Superman should look impressive. He should look like a natural bodybuilder or even a builder from the pre-roid era. Guys like Clint Walker and Peter Lupus are great templates. I also think guys like Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Reg Park, Frank Zane, John Grimek, George Eiferman, Larry Scott, Serge Nubret would be good templates. I'm also pretty impressed that someone else here knows who Eugene Sandow is (big fan!).

4 Mr America winners dressed normal. Alan Stephan 1946, Clancy Ross 1945, George Eiferman 1948, Steve Reeves 1947. They look like regular dudes dressed up. http://classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com/2008/11/look-good-in-clothes-with-classic.html

[Young Superman]

Said it before, say it again, Superman needs to be athletic, nothing more nothing less. Around 6'4 is good, but he shouldn't be a bodybuilder like some of the artists depict him, he's not pumping iron after all. Stylistically, I understand it, especially in comics, to show strength and all that, but I'd prefer a build like Christopher Reeve over something more muscular

Agreed

[BH/HHH]

Reeve's build was perfect for Superman

[Doc Samson]

I think Superman should look impressive. He should look like a natural bodybuilder or even a builder from the pre-roid era. Guys like Clint Walker and Peter Lupus are great templates. I also think guys like Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Reg Park, Frank Zane, John Grimek, George Eiferman, Larry Scott, Serge Nubret would be good templates. I'm also pretty impressed that someone else here knows who Eugene Sandow is (big fan!).

4 Mr America winners dressed normal. Alan Stephan 1946, Clancy Ross 1945, George Eiferman 1948, Steve Reeves 1947. They look like regular dudes dressed up. http://classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com/2008/11/look-good-in-clothes-with-classic.html

I feel that. My brother was a competitive bodybuilder while I was growing up so I have a huge amount of respect for what those guys go through, especially guys like Frank Zane & Flex Wheeler with ectomorphic structures who went on to build impressive physiques (Of course Flex went on to use steroids and become a mass monster, but he still retained classic symmetry) Guys like Bob Paris & Lee Labrada were always personal favs

[Young Superman]

Reeve's build was perfect for Superman

Agreed, my friend.

[Astrodust]

I think Superman should look impressive. He should look like a natural bodybuilder or even a builder from the pre-roid era. Guys like Clint Walker and Peter Lupus are great templates. I also think guys like Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Reg Park, Frank Zane, John Grimek, George Eiferman, Larry Scott, Serge Nubret would be good templates. I'm also pretty impressed that someone else here knows who Eugene Sandow is (big fan!).

4 Mr America winners dressed normal. Alan Stephan 1946, Clancy Ross 1945, George Eiferman 1948, Steve Reeves 1947. They look like regular dudes dressed up. http://classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com/2008/11/look-good-in-clothes-with-classic.html

I don't think Superman needs to look like a bodybuilder. Just someone who is athletic will do. Bodybuilders spend years to achieve that look. Looking for a strong actor who is already athletic and can get into even better shape in under a year is more realistic. Luckily a lot of actors do stay in shape. A strong actor who has charisma and can carry the screen is a first priority. If they are athletic the deal is done.

[ChickenScratch]

That's great that you have a differing opinion from mine. But to me an athletic person and Superman are different things. I'm an athletic person, so are most of my friends, I don't want Superman to look like us (and we are all very fit). This trying to ground him in some sort of reality seems to ignore the fact that Superman is an abstraction, he's the Greek Ideal. He's the same sort of aspirational and inspirational figure people would have told stories about and idolized like Hercules or Atlas. Sure you'll never be the ideal, but you do benefit from trying.

[SuperMike335!!]

I don't think Superman needs to look like a bodybuilder. Just someone who is athletic will do. Bodybuilders spend years to achieve that look. Looking for a strong actor who is already athletic and can get into even better shape in under a year is more realistic. Luckily a lot of actors do stay in shape. A strong actor who has charisma and can carry the screen is a first priority. If they are athletic the deal is done.

I think you are both talking about the same thing, but look at the word "bodybuilder" from two different meanings.

Nobody is claiming they should cast a bodybuilder.

In fact the term "bodybuilder" is way too vague.

Most people assume it is a steroid using monster who is 300 pounds of muscle at 5’10".

Really the term could also be used for anyone who engages in building their body.

In fact if you look as competitive bodybuilders, before the age of abusive steroid dosing started, "bodybuilders" were not much bigger than someone like Hugh Jackman, Chris Evans, or Chris Hemsworth.

If one defined the term as simply the act of building ones body to a certain muscular look, then all 3 could be described as bodybuilders, yet look far less massive than what one generally thinks of on hearing the term.

When chickenscratch says he thinks superman would have a "bodybuilder’s" build, he means the pre-steroid-abuse era look.

Generally, for an actor to strive for such look, they end up looking, well, like Chris Evans does right now. They would look big and muscular in tight clothing, but still be able to be hidden in a suit or normal clothing as Clark.

With a modern Superheavyweight competitive bodybuilder on the other hand, there is not way you could hide that as Clark, simply too big.

Hence why I like to be more specific, as the term can envoke different mental images for different people, then we argue apples vs. oranges.

I think Superman should look strong and muscular, as much as the actor can get, before crossing the line into looking overly huge as Clark.

[ChickenScratch]

This is why I specifically stated pre-roid era and even used the names of several bodybuilders from that era as examples.

[Eze]

I think Superman should look impressive. He should look like a natural bodybuilder or even a builder from the pre-roid era. Guys like Clint Walker and Peter Lupus are great templates. I also think guys like Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, Reg Park, Frank Zane, John Grimek, George Eiferman, Larry Scott, Serge Nubret would be good templates. I'm also pretty impressed that someone else here knows who Eugene Sandow is (big fan!).

4 Mr America winners dressed normal. Alan Stephan 1946, Clancy Ross 1945, George Eiferman 1948, Steve Reeves 1947. They look like regular dudes dressed up. http://classicphysiquebuilder.blogspot.com/2008/11/look-good-in-clothes-with-classic.html

This is exactly what Superman should aspire to be, couldn't agree more ChickenScratch. Sandow not only looked good, he was freakishly strong just like all these guys.

[Lone]

If muscles are squeezed from costumes, enough to reduce the mass of limbs, then hands and faces begin to bloat and turn red. Sometimes second rate directors come up with excuses to rationalize bad ideas, like having the actor train in a pool when he should be lifting heavy weights (Routh), or maybe the actor in general is just too doughy to pull off that heroic physique and isn't motivated to train when the easy fix of foam muscles is there. (Maguire)

Routh was actually bigger than what he ended up looking like in SR. He was told to get smaller in order to fit the costume. Somebody needs to post that pic of him working out for SR.

The whole pool thing was to simulate zero gravity and allow Routh to get a feel for the movements one would make while flying.

And unless the next actor literally has a body carved from marble, foam muscles will definitely be used. No matter how built or cut a guy is, you put some skin tight fabric on him and he's gonna lose some definition and mass.

[Eze]

Definition, yes, mass, no, displaced mass has to go somewhere. My favorite example of what is appropriate, is Chris Evans as Johnny Storm. A little definition sculpting is ok, but still in wicked shape underneath. No padding so large it's a prosthetic for any major muscle groups.

[Amelia]

Earth One costume and physique would be fine by me.

I agree.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61810/1461828-sme1galley_082_copy.jpg

http://i.newsarama.com/images/superman-earth-one-splash_02.jpg

Earth One Sups’s had a real modern feel to him. He has a average built/look, a bit taller than the average man but not like a hulking leviathan. Also I love how they updated his hair. A modern man today would never put gris in his hair and have a curly. That style by default is a very retro/dated look.

The only problem i personally have with suit is the underwear since no sane person one today would willing wear it and it detracts from the overall real and modern feel of the costume.

[elgaz]

Whether you agree with casting him or not, Joe Manganiello's physique is pretty much close to what I'd like to see the next Superman actor have. As Supermike has pointed out before, he's obviously a big, muscular, broad and very well defined guy - he has the perfect frame for wearing a skintight Superman costume.

But put him in a suit and you don't get a sense of that at all, he hides the physique very well in clothes. Put slightly oversized clothes on him and the effect would be even more exaggerated for playing Clark Kent.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uliv1Lzhxu8/TAmeSqukDSI/AAAAAAAABHY/9qG924JAsO4/s1600/Joe+Manganiello+www.nomorexcuses-qr.blogspot.com.jpg

http://www.trueblood-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/people082310b.jpg

It's hard to find a pic of him in something tight fitting that shows off his frame well like the Superman costume would, but here's an idea -

http://daddycatchersrealm.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/alcide-2.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/bhdbav.jpg

Or on the other hand, put him in a suit or something baggy and you don't get any idea of his muscle definition underneath.

http://twilightandtruebloodlovers.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/joemanganielloboardwalkempirenewyorkl1kpitsetywl.j pg

Sorry for the Manganiello pictures overload! But out of all the contenders often mentioned for Superman, he's one of the few (asides from perhaps Routh or Welling, if they had a little more gymn time) who comes with what I consider to be the perfect Superman body shape and needs little or no gymn work. He's also a perfect example of why I think the next Superman actor has to be at least 6"3 - no matter how much gymn time a guy like Jon Hamm puts in, he will never have the frame or stature of someone like Manganiello. And to me, Superman is this god-like being who has to look impressive on screen.

Yes, we know Superman doesn't really need muscle mass as all his strength comes from his cellular structure and his absorption of solar energy.................... but that to me doesn't say we should simply settle for an average looking actor. We're ignoring the fact that in most incarnations of the Superman mythos, Krypton was described as a planet with a huge gravity pull - this in theory should have forced the Kryptonian physiologies to evolve into strong and muscular forms to withstand this. And asides from this, the Kryptonians - in many incarnations - have also been written as having gone through aeons of genetic advancement and evolution. Simply put, Kal-El should already be an Adonis in terms of physique regardless of whether he's under a yellow sun or a red one - his Kryptonian body and metabolism is simply at the pinnacle of efficiency, developing muscle naturally and keeping fat at a bare minimum.

Anyway, that's my reasoning for why I'd like to see a muscular looking Superman ever though we know he's never done any gymn time! :D

[Eze]

Lithe, supple, swimmer's physique. Tried that with SR already, no thanks. Superman is a strongman, who lifts heavy things, his physique should reflect weightlifting.
http://i.newsarama.com/images/superman-earth-one-splash_02.jpg
The guy in the right (Sandow) is a weightlifter, Arnold is a bodybuilder. The weightlifter trains for strength, by lifting heavy while the bodybuilder trains for muscle volume, using higher reps that promote fluid retention. Weightlifters maintain natural proportions from doing compound exercises, while bodybuilders don't because they isolate individual muscle groups.
http://johnbarban.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/BeforeandAfterSteroids.jpg
Fortunately Snyder's a gym rat who knows the difference.

[SuperMike335!!]

Lithe, supple, swimmer's physique. Tried that with SR already, no thanks. Superman is a strongman, who lifts heavy things, his physique should reflect weightlifting.

The guy in the right (Sandow) is a weightlifter, Arnold is a bodybuilder. The weightlifter trains for strength, by lifting heavy while the bodybuilder trains for muscle volume, using higher reps that promote fluid retention. Weightlifters maintain natural proportions from doing compound exercises, while bodybuilders don't because they isolate individual muscle groups.

Fortunately Snyder's a gym rat who knows the difference.


I'm not too worried about the actor who gets cast getting too muscular.
Arnold took years, and steroids (which he has admitted) to get as large as he eventually got, and modern IFBB Pros have spent even more time developing the obscene size they walk around with every day.

The actor, who ever it is, when he gets cast will likely have 4-6 months at best to get in shape, and that will involve adding the most muscle they can in the shortest time period, so likely they will hire a bodybuilder to train them.

Doing heavy compound movements like bench Presses, Squats, and Deadlifts as well as a few other exercises to hit parts those do not target as well, combined with a careful diet to add muscle, but limit or even lose bodyfat. – that is kind of an oversimplification, I admit, but basically what needs to happen. That is also the standard set by guys like Hugh Jackman, Chris Evans, and Chris Hemsworth now too.

The net result should be a build that looks very strong and muscular, but certainly not a freak.

Eugene Sandow’s build is an excellent example. He looked strong and muscular, but not a freak.

Clint Walker is another one who’s build I always thought was perfect for Superman. Its hard to tell how ripped he was, as he did not shave off his body hair, or get oiled up, but he had a great build none the less.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1332/clint20walker2.jpg

As for Superman having a really strong build, even though Superman does not lift weights, is the reason elgaz gave: Superman is the product of Genetic perfection, of an Alien race.

So, that is why I feel he should look as muscular as possible, while not crossing the line into looking like a superheavyweight bodybuilder as Clark in a suit.

The build Joe Manganiello as, as elgaz pointed out above is another such example.

Even if its another actor who is cast, that is the build to aim for.

[Eze]

I don't understand why people claim Superman doesn't lift weights. All he does is lift weights; cars, trains, tanks, ships, boulders, islands. He one rep loads all the time, and hasn't had effortless super-strength since the Silver Age.

[SuperMike335!!]

I don't understand why people claim Superman doesn't lift weights. All he does is lift weights; cars, trains, tanks, ships, boulders, islands. He one rep loads all the time, and hasn't had effortless super-strength since the Silver Age.


That is a good point.

Even if the feats of strength would not be every day, or very consistent basis, as it needs to be in a human who lifts weights to gain muscle, Superman would still gain some muscle.

My reasoning is this, every time a healthy human lifts weights, or exerts a high degree of muscular force, their body will adapt by adding a small degree of muscle.

If it is infrequent exertion, then any small amount of muscle gain they grew will atrophy away before it would build up into noticeable results.-That is on a human however.

Humans who are all susceptible to muscular atrophy.

Superman should be 100% immune to the effects of atrophy, like he is any other health problem.

Therefor, if every time he exerts himself his body gains a tiny amount of muscle, it never atrophies away, and eventually builds up.

I think its an interesting theory anyway.

[ChickenScratch]

Gotta love that Sandow! You guys seen that Herculese piture of him and the comparison to the statue?

[ChickenScratch]

Gotta love that Sandow! You guys seen that Herculese piture of him and the comparison to the statue?

[Doc Samson]

I don't understand why people claim Superman doesn't lift weights. All he does is lift weights; cars, trains, tanks, ships, boulders, islands. He one rep loads all the time, and hasn't had effortless super-strength since the Silver Age.

True, but his strength is a direct result of an outside source while he's on Earth. Even as a teen, he can do almost the same things. It's similar to fighters that train in water, the water adds the resistance so that when they throw a punch outside of it, it heightens the strength behind it. Krypton's gravity was the water, and outside of it, in conjunction with the sun, Clark has these heightened abilities.

Lifting tanks, ships, boulders etc., wouldn't constitute much muscle gain because these things are relatively effortless to begin with, much like your Earth speed has nothing to do with your speed on the Moon, no matter how much you train on the Moon itself to become faster.

[Eze]

You mean, his disproportionate super strength is a result of Earth's environment. His strength is the result of physiology just like ours. It isn't magic, Superman is as proportionately stronger than he was when he was a boy, as most human males are who maintain an active lifestyle, more so if their vocation requires it.

Your Krypton gravity analogy is all wrong. Krypton's gravity isn't the water, fighters who don't train, atrophy over time. Superman never walked on Krypton, never got in the pool, therefore, never adapted to it. Kryptonians physical structure (bone/sinew/muscle) increased in density in order to adapt to the gravity of Krypton. Supercharged with solar radiation or no, he lifts weights just like the rest of us and his physiology is a result of his ancestors adapting to their environment, just like us.

Just about every incarnation of Superman at least mentions time as a child spent on the farm or an abandoned quarry, practicing his powers. This would involve testing his strength, all human children do at play, no reason to think he wouldn't either. Like Milo lifting the calf every day until it became a bull, young Clark would be conditioning himself with boulders and root stumps.

Your argument is better suited to explain why Clark doesn't have a Superheavyweight bodybuilder physique. He can only force so much adaptation, can only test his strength so much. While lifting cars and tanks may be easy, I don't imagine balancing the load in his grip is. This kind of isometric work would always stimulate his physiology, same as the combat he engages in with other beings on comparable power levels.

As long as he pushes his own relative physical limits, through his weightlifting and pugilist activities, his physique should reflect it. Strong neck, squared shoulders, Tapered V back to a slim waist. If a kryptonian lived a couch potato lifestyle on Earth, they would end up even fatter than we do, they would have to be a superhero just to keep in shape. No other way to burn the excess calories.:doh:

[Eze]

Gotta love that Sandow! You guys seen that Herculese piture of him and the comparison to the statue?

No, I haven't. Got a copy?

[Doc Samson]

You mean, his disproportionate super strength is a result of Earth's environment. His strength is the result of physiology just like ours. It isn't magic, Superman is as proportionately stronger than he was when he was a boy, as most human males are who maintain an active lifestyle, more so if their vocation requires it.

Your Krypton gravity analogy is all wrong. Krypton's gravity isn't the water, fighters who don't train, atrophy over time. Superman never walked on Krypton, never got in the pool, therefore, never adapted to it. Kryptonians physical structure (bone/sinew/muscle) increased in density in order to adapt to the gravity of Krypton. Supercharged with solar radiation or no, he lifts weights just like the rest of us and his physiology is a result of his ancestors adapting to their environment, just like us.

Just about every incarnation of Superman at least mentions time as a child spent on the farm or an abandoned quarry, practicing his powers. This would involve testing his strength, all human children do at play, no reason to think he wouldn't either. Like Milo lifting the calf every day until it became a bull, young Clark would be conditioning himself with boulders and root stumps.

Your argument is better suited to explain why Clark doesn't have a Superheavyweight bodybuilder physique. He can only force so much adaptation, can only test his strength so much. While lifting cars and tanks may be easy, I don't imagine balancing the load in his grip is. This kind of isometric work would always stimulate his physiology, same as the combat he engages in with other beings on comparable power levels.

As long as he pushes his own relative physical limits, through his weightlifting and pugilist activities, his physique should reflect it. Strong neck, squared shoulders, Tapered V back to a slim waist. If a kryptonian lived a couch potato lifestyle on Earth, they would end up even fatter than we do, they would have to be a superhero just to keep in shape. No other way to burn the excess calories.:doh:

That's precisely what my argument was, when I quoted your original post about Superman not lifting weights, I assumed you were referring to his lifting objects contributing to his overall physical appearance. I'm saying that he wouldn't be stressing himself to the point that he's building a Mr. Olympia-like physique because it's coming from an outside source beyond sheer muscle. Your basically saying the same thing I am, that he shouldn't look like a bodybuilder, but the difference is I wouldn't mind the leaner look because I don't feel he would be exerting himself to the point where he gained much in the way of muscle mass in any situation

Muscles grow from the atrophy and subsequent rebuilding, as you already pointed out. That tissue breakdown is coming from overexertion, and in almost every iteration of the character, he's incredibly strong from the point he touches down in Smallville, in comparison to humans, so I don't see the overworking of the muscles being that consistent to even warrant a significant change. It's not like he's lifting mountains for reps every other day, when the situation calls for it, he does it, but it's not a regimented routine that's going to steadily increase his mass. One day he might be lifting a building to save someone, the next day he could be pulling a train, it's never the same catastrophe, so it would never be the same exact stress hitting a targeted muscle group sufficiently enough to stimulate consistent, symmetrical growth that a Bodybuilder achieves doing the same exercises for a set amount of time. And while weightlifters tend to do low-rep high intensity exercises (which I think your implying Superman would be doing by fighting crime) I think that would still be insufficient because his strength limits aren't as easily reached, consistently enough once again, to require the muscle breakdown necessary

[SuperMike335!!]

Meh,...

Thread is getting overly complex.

I just prefer he look as muscular as he can be without crossing the line into looking like a superheavyweight bodybuilder as Clark.

Builds like Hugh Jackman, Chris Evans, or the oldies like Clint Walker, Eugene Sandow etc... The look strong but not freakish.

I just have a preference on what I want him to be built like, based on what I think would be aesthetic.

That is very strong and muscular build, but not crossing the line into modern freakish competitive bodybuilder.

Whatever reasoning you like. Weather it be the from working out, or from the effects of the yellow sun.

There have been several different explainations for his physique in the comics over the decades, take your pick on which explaination you like the best.

[ChickenScratch]

No, I haven't. Got a copy?

Posting in from the phone. I will post the pic when I get home. Or you could just google "Farnese Herculese Sandow."

[ChickenScratch]

Sandow - http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CU9Tfy6mz3Y/STG3tSr4azI/AAAAAAAAAaI/U1URYfQBfH4/sandow.jpg
Farnese's Hercules - http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=87718

[Daybreak_st]

He should look impressive physically but not of over the top. Brandon Routh's natural physique now or that of Tom Welling both work for Superman. He shouldn't look like a body builder but like a well developed athletic build. Otherwise you'd have to explain why Supergirl doesn't look like a female bodybuilder or why the phantom zoners like zod don't all look like they came from Dragon Ball Z. HE should have a solid build but his strength is not result of his muscles it's a Super power, maybe not magic but pretty close. Like Jim from no ordinary family or the kid from Sky High. He doesn't need visibly super muscles to be Superman no more than he needs literal wings to fly. Those are simply his powers.

[JBElliott]

Superman shouldn't be "ripped" like a body builder, but he should have the mass of one. A build along the lines of Clint Walker or Alex Ross' Superman would be perfect.

[Superman_20]

http://cdn02.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Chris-Evans-Captain-America-Shirtless.jpg

http://chareyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chris-evans-captain-america.jpg

http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hugh-jackman-wolverine.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/02/jackman-wolverine/hugh-jackman-wolverine-full-fury-02.jpg




even vin diesel in a suit can hide, size is easy to hide with camera work and a suit, so the bigger the better, and alex ross never draws clark kent as a little guy either, and even if clark stands with his stomach out or chest caved in, whatever, a slouch and a suit hides size very well so the bigger the better

[Superman_20]

the bigger the better but if they would film the scenes as clark first and then the superman scenes towards the end of filming that might be even better like martin scorcese did with cape fear so deniro could get as big as possible

[MAN O STEEL]

If there is one thing I want the next Superman to have, something that every incarnation of a LIVE action Superman has missed is a big barrel chest. I know that Brandon worked hard & looked good but his chest was almost non existant in that suit & this time I want a Superman that looks imposing, not like someone I could beat up in a dark alley.




Steve

[Daybreak_st]

http://chareyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chris-evans-captain-america.jpg






Correct me if i'm wrong but are those rubber feet? :huh: I don't want Superman wearing rubber feet...just saying...

[Superman_20]

yea, other than the rubber feet but that build is fine, the bigger he is the better, unless you're a complete bodybuilder, you will usually look just fine in a suit, especially one tailored to fit you by the film crew... so the bigger they can get the actor the better... bale looked fine in his suit in batman begins, and he was pretty big

[SatEL]

http://uploadpic.org/storage/originals/lr2n9lf3ejjsuffse4usjldff2.jpg

[Vaibow]

Correct me if i'm wrong but are those rubber feet? :huh: I don't want Superman wearing rubber feet...just saying...

I don't want rubber suits or nipples either!!!!!

Chris is way too cut for Superman - just look at his waist line and legs! He isn't beefy at all. There is no harm having body fat around the muscle, sure you lose definition, but in that you gain size! That is also considered more old school - like clint walker!! But it's down to personal preference - i'm not saying i prefer an Alex Ross look, but a farm boy shouldn't be lean.

[KalMart]

He should be as athletically muscular as possible without looking like a bodybuilder.

[storyteller]

Super strength in the comic book universe doesn't exactly make since. Even Peter Parker will his small athletic build and tear apart a tank like it was tissue.

[Agentdemon]

Clint walker's physique is ideal, even Joe M slightly less lean is close to perfect, as is the actor playing Thor.

[Comicfan]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcww5oAQV51qdnpfg.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcwvybVx4t1qdnpfg.jpg

[jesusmagicka]

IMO this is the perfect physique and costume for Superman.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819014815/superman/images/7/72/Superman.jpg

What's up with people wanting Superman to look like a grandpa? Do they want this movie to fail?

[SatEL]

What's up with people wanting Superman to look like a grandpa? Do they want this movie to fail?

Thats based on Reeve I think its from Secret Origin in which Superman looks like a cross eyed version of Reeve.

[Stripesy Strip]

I agree.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61810/1461828-sme1galley_082_copy.jpg

http://i.newsarama.com/images/superman-earth-one-splash_02.jpg

Earth One Sups’s had a real modern feel to him. He has a average built/look, a bit taller than the average man but not like a hulking leviathan. Also I love how they updated his hair. A modern man today would never put gris in his hair and have a curly. That style by default is a very retro/dated look.

The only problem i personally have with suit is the underwear since no sane person one today would willing wear it and it detracts from the overall real and modern feel of the costume.

That's either Superboy or Superman's gay cousin.

I agreed that Supe should be in the Clint Walker/Alex Ross/Kurt Swan mold. A guy that's just bigger built than the magority but who doesn't overdue the muscles.

As far as the OP's choice, I like that drawing. But it's more of a Bruce Wayne body.

[SatEL]

Bump.

[ChickenScratch]

I just hope he's already in the gym working towards it. I don't know what specific goal they have set for him to reach, but I'm pretty certain he's not in Superman shape.

[SatEL]

His no where near the Superman shape from what I can see, he got ripped and cut for the immortals but that isn’t a Superman Physique but a Spiderman one.

[B]

Hes bigger than Spiderman, but he isn't in Superman type shape. He'll kinda have his work cut out for him, because of how Captain America & Thor both look there is kinda some pressure that Superman be in as good shape.. & Ryan Reynolds is pretty big/cut for Green Lantern.

I don't think he'll have the time to look as big as Welling or Routh, adding that amount of mass is something that works best if it is done gradually.. that being said Chris Evans was about the same size as Henry Cavill was in Fantastic Four & Immortals.. so if he can get big quick, then Cavill should be able to do the same.

[SatEL]

Hes bigger than Spiderman, but he isn't in Superman type shape. He'll kinda have his work cut out for him, because of how Captain America & Thor both look there is kinda some pressure that Superman be in as good shape.. & Ryan Reynolds is pretty big/cut for Green Lantern.

I don't think he'll have the time to look as big as Welling or Routh, adding that amount of mass is something that works best if it is done gradually.. that being said Chris Evans was about the same size as Henry Cavill was in Fantastic Four & Immortals.. so if he can get big quick, then Cavill should be able to do the same.

No Chris Evans had more definition in the FF films, Cavill is cut in the Immortals but that's about it nothing more. He isn’t big and doesn’t have a lot of mass, hell his regime for the immortals probably consisted of a high intensity cardio work out followed by high rep low weigh training and a strict diet.

[WarriorDreamer]

As for the costume I hope they go classic. The obvious choice would be go more 'modern' or updated. They tried to do that in Returns and look what happened there!

I hope they just have it look expensive and classic. They can make it modern but make the shield look huge on his chest.

Cavill is going to need to work out alot in the coming months. He looks pretty trim already but Superman is BUFF. He will need to be at least the same size as Chris Evans in Captain America.

[The Sage]

I don't think Cavill should get super big. As long as it's noticeable in the suit as well with his shirt off, that's good enough. He does have to blend in and look normal as mild-mannered Clark Kent, although I'm sure some slightly oversized clothing can do that as well.

[Marvin]

for the perfect interpretation see Birthright

anyways thor is supposed to be bigger than supes see JlaAvengers

anyways routh seemed like he was hemsworth's height
anyways welling has a good hight and so does cavill.

[Stephen K. Hone]

As for the costume I hope they go classic. The obvious choice would be go more 'modern' or updated. They tried to do that in Returns and look what happened there!

I hope they just have it look expensive and classic. They can make it modern but make the shield look huge on his chest.

Cavill is going to need to work out alot in the coming months. He looks pretty trim already but Superman is BUFF. He will need to be at least the same size as Chris Evans in Captain America.



Chris Evans' build for C.A. is about right for Superman. I would like a shield bigger than the superboy one that Routh got saddled with, but please no giant Alex Ross shield on a barrel chest. Not a fan of Alex Ross's old man looking Supes.

[SuperDaniel]

I for one think he is BIG already. Bigger than Chris Reeve, thats for sure. Reeve was very thin in the first Superman except the last half. Cavill will be better in 4 months, I'm sure.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/09/article-0-0B15D16B000005DC-376_472x548.jpg

[Spaz]

I like Hemsworth's build honestly, but I don't foresee Cavill getting that big in the amount of time he has. Evans physique would work just as well though.

[Christmas]

He's gonna look amazing by the time shooting starts. No question. He has an excellent frame and size to start with. Working with some of the best trainers money can buy for four or five months... pssh forget it. His physicality will be locked down.

[SuperMike335!!]

If Cavill wants to bulk up in his home country he should hire Dorian Yates to help get him into shape.

Sure in 4 months he would not be at risk of getting too big, but if he wants to maximize the muscle he can add in such a short amount of time, well lets just say Yates knows a thing or two about adding muscle.

Here is Yates back in his prime:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5200/fotosdorianyates015.jpg

[batman44]

^Whoa. SuperMike you seem to be pretty knowledgeable in this area, what type of physique do you think Cavill will be able to achieve?

[SuperMike335!!]

^Whoa. SuperMike you seem to be pretty knowledgeable in this area, what type of physique do you think Cavill will be able to achieve?

Well there is no fear that he would end up getting too big within 4 months.

He could be eating a perfect bodybuilding diet, working with a world class coach (someone like Yates), and pulling out all the stops including doctor supervised "stuff" he could pack on a very solid 30 pounds, on his 6'1" frame, and that would look very muscular.

He would Not be able to get so big he looks like a Gorilla as Clark.

I do think he can get so big he would turn heads with his shirt off, and people would say "did you get a look at that dude! He was Jacked!".

[Superman_20]

He has, what, 16 weeks or 18 weeks?

look at the amount of time on some of these transformations... if you go on a bodybuilding program and bodybuilding routine snyder knows its possible and he knows who to turn to...

(Notice also these guys were in bad shape before they started also)
4 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans2.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans15.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans16.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt3.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt15.htm


these guys were not starting out in shape and got pretty big in a hurry... for a movie actors do this all the time, if a guy can go online and find a bunch of these stories, of course anyone making a movie knows its possible and knows exactly what to do... he'll probably have him work with a bodybuilder, like charles poliquin http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ who is probably the best strength and fitness coach there is and he knows how to prepare athletes from olympians who need strength and speed to bodybuilders who only need size... im sure snyder knows who to turn to

[SuperMike335!!]

He has, what, 16 weeks or 18 weeks?

look at the amount of time on some of these transformations... if you go on a bodybuilding program and bodybuilding routine snyder knows its possible and he knows who to turn to...

(Notice also these guys were in bad shape before they started also)
4 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans2.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans15.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans16.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt3.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt15.htm


these guys were not starting out in shape and got pretty big in a hurry... for a movie actors do this all the time, if a guy can go online and find a bunch of these stories, of course anyone making a movie knows its possible and knows exactly what to do... he'll probably have him work with a bodybuilder, like charles poliquin http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ who is probably the best strength and fitness coach there is and he knows how to prepare athletes from olympians who need strength and speed to bodybuilders who only need size... im sure snyder knows who to turn to

Those guys also did not have access to world class bodybuilders for coaches, or the extra "stuff" doctors can, and routinely do for actors (cash speaks all languages) prescribe.

[SuperJ]

I know that Superman is supposed to be big and muscular ( and is traditionally drawn that way ).

but, I wouldn't mind if he were just a bit leaner. It does make a bit more sense for his body to be a bit sleeker to be more aerodynamic ( not that it really matters anyways........lol ).

[Lead Cenobite]

I don't expect him to be gigantic, but he should at least be big enough to look good in tights.

[Kal-El.9859]

I don't think Superman needs to be so large he can't fit in with normal people...he is supposed to hide himself. If he's the biggest dude in Metropolis, that pretty much gives it away that he's Superman

[SuperMike335!!]

I don't think Superman needs to be so large he can't fit in with normal people...he is supposed to hide himself. If he's the biggest dude in Metropolis, that pretty much gives it away that he's Superman

That is also where I draw the line.

I won't say a specific weight, but essentially he should be as muscular as possible, without crossing that line into looking like a Gorilla as Clark.

Even shirtless he should look as strong as one can get, without crossing that line.

[Project862006]

this was henry cavill back in november
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/jojo3508/HC/henry-cavill-shirtless-cold-light-of-day.jpg

[conan69]

I agree Cavill is already larger than Reeves and Routh were when they were cast.

A high intensity routine, with lots of compounds movements - dips, squats, deadlifts, chest presses, and load up on the protein... and he should be fine for when the cameras to start rolling.

[Colossal Spoons]

Great thread. Normally, I'd give my usual "lunk" opinion that I want Supes to be as big as possible but I forgot about the Clark Kent disguise. Not many Jay Cutler looking news reporters out there

[BH/HHH]

Cavill'a already got a big build so he's just got to get a bit bigger n he's already there

[SuperMike335!!]

Cavill'a already got a big build so he's just got to get a bit bigger n he's already there


He does not have what I would call a big build. Big frame, yes, but not a big build by any means.

He is lean, and in fitness terms, lean has to do with lowbodyfat%, not small muscles.

He needs to add muscle size, but 4 months with the right coach can do it.

IMHO it is NOT possible for him to get too big in the time allowed.

[Superman_20]

Those guys also did not have access to world class bodybuilders for coaches, or the extra "stuff" doctors can, and routinely do for actors (cash speaks all languages) prescribe.

oh of course, those are just regular people off the street like me that just started going on bodybuilding.com and other sites, getting little bits of information and getting educated about nutrition and training and got good results.... thats what i do, i've never had access to world class bodybuilders and coaches, and never bothered with the personal trainers and i get results... i assume he'll get great results with 4 or 5 months to train with great coaches and trainers with the supplements and everything

[SuperDaniel]

Can't wait to see recent pics of him.

[Advo]

While I understand the need for Henry to bulk up so he look like he can take down a villain, I don't want it over-the-top. Superman is supposed to be able to blend in with normal people, when he's Clark.

[Comicfan]

While I understand the need for Henry to bulk up so he look like he can take down a villain, I don't want it over-the-top. Superman is supposed to be able to blend in with normal people, when he's Clark.

The CGI body will work that out ;)

[storyteller]

Honestly everyone should just go to Christian Bale. That man knows how to reach any size.

[Hush]

It is ok for him to look HUGE because Kent was raised on a farm he would be HUGE from all the Manual Labor but what people forget is its funny that Kent is so clumsy because he looks like he is a big lumbering baffoon. Cavill needs to bulk up and I know his name is like Poison in these forums but if there is anything we can agree on its that Tom Welling has the right body type and work out physique for the role and Cavill should aspire for that. Superman needs that Big look I hate when artist portray him as small but since he has powers it doesnt matter, the guy grew up on a farm have anyone here tried to lift a bail of hay, its ****ing heavy. If he did that for his whole life he would be BIG.

[DorkyFresh]

i think Mangeniello's build was perfect. he looked beast without a shirt but as soon as he threw a tailored blazer on, he looked very normal. there's no reason Cavill can't reach that kind of build considering he was almost there in 'the Immortals'.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/mj_isabella/Immortals-Henry-Cavill-as-Theseus.jpg
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad22/ckgraphics5/e4ty.png

according to the director Tarsem Singh, he didn't just have a 6 pack....he had an 8 pack, hehe

[Advo]

The CGI body will work that out ;)

Eh what? If they are going for a CGI body anyway, they could just as well just give Superman a stellar physique and keep Henry more normal for Clark.

[DorkyFresh]

guys...i'm 99% positive that the CG rumors are misunderstandings sprung from idiots who assumed too much when they saw people working on pre-viz (computer animated storyboard) shots.

[SatEL]

guys...i'm 99% positive that the CG rumors are misunderstandings sprung from idiots who assumed too much when they saw people working on pre-viz (computer animated storyboard) shots.

I hope that’s the case, otherwise it just looks lazy and sluggish.

[Colossal Spoons]

The muscles in "300" got everybody thinking you can just computerize abs and traps onto skinny guys haha

[GinsterHead]

Superman should look pretty ripped, but there's definitely a limit. He shouldn't look like an enormous, throbbing hemorrhoid of a man, with muscles pouring in and out of every orifice...and I mean every orifice. :wow::oldrazz:

[SuperMike335!!]

Superman should look pretty ripped, but there's definitely a limit. He shouldn't look like an enormous, throbbing hemorrhoid of a man, with muscles pouring in and out of every orifice...and I mean every orifice. :wow::oldrazz:

While I understand the need for Henry to bulk up so he look like he can take down a villain, I don't want it over-the-top. Superman is supposed to be able to blend in with normal people, when he's Clark.

No worries guys.

4 months is NOT long enough for him to get anywhere close to too big. He could work with an elite IFBB Pro, use steroids and hGH, and eat sleep and breath a bodybuilding lifestyle for those whole 4 months, but it is still only 4 months.

No way can he get too big in the time frame given until filming.

It also take a lot more muscle than people realize to look too big in a decent taylored suit. An amount which he is not going to add in 4 months.

IMHO he should get as big as he can without crossing the line into looking like a Gorilla in normal business clothes as Clark.

In Cavill's case it means getting as big and muscular as he can within 4 months. He will not be able to get bodybuilder big.

[SatEL]

No worries guys.

4 months is NOT long enough for him to get anywhere close to too big. He could work with an elite IFBB Pro, use steroids and hGH, and eat sleep and breath a bodybuilding lifestyle for those whole 4 months, but it is still only 4 months.

No way can he get too big in the time frame given until filming.

It also take a lot more muscle than people realize to look too big in a decent taylored suit. An amount which he is not going to add in 4 months.

IMHO he should get as big as he can without crossing the line into looking like a Gorilla in normal business clothes as Clark.

In Cavill's case it means getting as big and muscular as he can within 4 months. He will not be able to get bodybuilder big.

I agree with this, I mean from what we have seen he doesn’t seem that in shape at current. Now if he was in the kind of shape he was in for the immortals that would be another story. All he would need to do is go on a clean bulk gaining as much mass as he can while maintaining a low BF and lifting like a man possessed.

[Ponyboy]

this works for me:

http://www.digitaldreammachine.com/blogimages/ddm/ReeveSupermanBadlands.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

It is ok for him to look HUGE because Kent was raised on a farm he would be HUGE from all the Manual Labor but what people forget is its funny that Kent is so clumsy because he looks like he is a big lumbering baffoon. Cavill needs to bulk up and I know his name is like Poison in these forums but if there is anything we can agree on its that Tom Welling has the right body type and work out physique for the role and Cavill should aspire for that. Superman needs that Big look I hate when artist portray him as small but since he has powers it doesnt matter, the guy grew up on a farm have anyone here tried to lift a bail of hay, its ****ing heavy. If he did that for his whole life he would be BIG.

Tom Welling had the look. Idk if you still watch SV but he's gotten quite flabby. Damn shame too.

[Lencho01]

Yeah, I think something like Welling when he's at his best is good for Clark to look big enough, but not stick out.

Haven't read it, but in Earth One didn't they make him smaller than he's usually depicted to get the point across of not sticking out?

[Stephen K. Hone]

No worries guys.

4 months is NOT long enough for him to get anywhere close to too big. He could work with an elite IFBB Pro, use steroids and hGH, and eat sleep and breath a bodybuilding lifestyle for those whole 4 months, but it is still only 4 months.

No way can he get too big in the time frame given until filming.

It also take a lot more muscle than people realize to look too big in a decent taylored suit. An amount which he is not going to add in 4 months.

IMHO he should get as big as he can without crossing the line into looking like a Gorilla in normal business clothes as Clark.

In Cavill's case it means getting as big and muscular as he can within 4 months. He will not be able to get bodybuilder big.

I think Chris Evans build in that shirtless picture from Captain America is perfect for Superman.

[Karelia]

Yeah, I think something like Welling when he's at his best is good for Clark to look big enough, but not stick out.

Haven't read it, but in Earth One didn't they make him smaller than he's usually depicted to get the point across of not sticking out?

Yeah, he wasn't as big as he usually is, and I think his height was about 6'1 or so.

[Man of Steel]

this works for me:

http://www.digitaldreammachine.com/blogimages/ddm/ReeveSupermanBadlands.jpg
Same here.

[SuperMike335!!]

I think Chris Evans build in that shirtless picture from Captain America is perfect for Superman.

That is about as big as I think Cavill could get within 4 months if he did everything right.

I have no concern of him getting too big in the time frame until filming.

[BH/HHH]

That is about as big as I think Cavill could get within 4 months if he did everything right.

I have no concern of him getting too big in the time frame until filming.

If he gets to Captain America size then awesome :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd be very underwhelmed and unimpressed by somebody Reeve's size playing Superman in 2011. Not after we've seen Bale's Batman.

[Project862006]

^ i agree a jackman physique would be great for supes not sure if he has enough time to build it that good tho
http://weightymatters101.com/images/hugh-jackman5.jpg
http://amygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/25588pcn_hugh01.jpg

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

I'm a little tardy to the party on this topic, but I figure I'll throw my two cents in anyway.

My position on Superman's physique has always been something of a "less is more" position, not to such an extent as, say, Spider-Man (who, IMO, should have a very slim swimmer's build) but still smaller than he's often depicted in the comics.

My reason for that is two-fold: First, when a character has super-strength (and isn't intended to be strictly a humanoid tank like Think, Hulk, or Juggernaut) they shouldn't look as strong as they are. Seeing Superman hold up a bus with one hand is a lot less impressive when he, himself, is almost the same size as the damn thing.

The second reason, one that was an especially big issue in the animated series, is that if he's too big, it makes the whole 'secret identity' thing even more goofy. I mean, they look alike? Sure. Similar voice? Could be a coincidence...but when Clark is this towering behemoth with a chest wider than most people are tall, he kind of stands out.

Okay, short version: I think Superman should be toned, buff, but not huge. His build should be one that looks great in tights, but is easily hidden by his civies, and makes his feats of strength look even more impressive.

[tomk]

Are these recent pics of Jackman? Apparently he's now 20 or 30 pounds heavier than he was for Wolverine. Are these pre or post as that looks like a magnificent physique for Superman.

[Lead Cenobite]

I'd be very underwhelmed and unimpressed by somebody Reeve's size playing Superman in 2011. Not after we've seen Bale's Batman.

Bale could have been in Machinist shape and it wouldn't have made much difference in that hard rubber suit.

[KRIM]

Jackman is ripped, but his build is still slim for Supes. Evans has set the bar:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Screenshot2011-02-06at80032PM.png

[Micah12345]

The cap trailer looked way better than I thought it would be.

[GreenKToo]

We got a superman in SR that was big, but not huge..I wasn't impressed. Still, I don't look for cavill to get as bulked up as evans, but who knows what snyder wants..
I know part of the reason routh didnt look built enough was because of that dang suit, it was too constricting. Hopefully the same won't happen to cavill.

[KRIM]

Evans only had 3 months to get to his size. Cavill at least has 4. I think if Snyder demands it, Cavill would easily get to the proper frame that matches Evans. Henry knows this is the role of a lifetime so I'm optimistic we'll get our best looking Superman yet.

[Comicfan]

Jackman is ripped, but his build is still slim for Supes. Evans has set the bar:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Screenshot2011-02-06at80032PM.png

I agree, and he and Cavill are the same height lets hope He gets that big

[Marvin]

my only problem with the cap trailer is the lighting/colour palette looks lifted from Superman Returns. I know snyder won't have that problem though.

[SuperDaniel]

Cap looks fun and that's something SR definitely wasn't except for the plane sequence...

[SatEL]

Jackman is ripped, but his build is still slim for Supes. Evans has set the bar:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Screenshot2011-02-06at80032PM.png

No he hasnt Hemsworth is in much better shape, if anyone set the bar its this guy. http://uploadpic.org/storage/originals/lr2n9lf3ejjsuffse4usjldff2.jpg

[SatEL]

We got a superman in SR that was big, but not huge..I wasn't impressed. Still, I don't look for cavill to get as bulked up as evans, but who knows what snyder wants..
I know part of the reason routh didnt look built enough was because of that dang suit, it was too constricting. Hopefully the same won't happen to cavill.

Routh wasn’t that big as well, check him out in the behind the scenes footage of SR when he was in the pool.

[GreenKToo]

Oh I agree, routh wasnt big enough for SR, even without the suit....but my point is the suit didn't help him any, at all.

[Colossal Spoons]

Bale could have been in Machinist shape and it wouldn't have made much difference in that hard rubber suit.

True, but we saw how big he got during the Ra's al Ghul training in the first movie.

[Man of Steel]

Jackman is ripped, but his build is still slim for Supes. Evans has set the bar:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Screenshot2011-02-06at80032PM.png
Evans works, but I prefer someone with a Tom Brady-like build:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bbq6YWPapNg/TJsVF-0l9oI/AAAAAAAAADE/PAbGBp1bWNk/s1600/Tom_Brady2.jpg

[WarriorDreamer]

Yeah Chris Evans is the right size, the perfect size really. Superman in the comics is drawn to be titanically huge. Cavill will NEVER get that big but he should strive for at least about Evans' size.

[DoomGeneration]

like pumpkin bomb says. if he's too big, the whole secret identity thing won't work right, and the acts of super strength won't be as super if he's huge. so i'm gonna say, definitely not chris evans big. i actually didn't mind how routh fit into the suit.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would be fine with it if his build is a good as Hemsworth or Evans, it depends on what look they are going for. If it's more regular but still ridiculously fit, then it's Evans Cap build but if they want to go for "holy crap you're huge!" Then it's Hemsworth Thor build. I'll be happy with either one.

[Mace Bloodstone]

He should look larger than life, not some average guy. Bigger is better...

[Kalonthar]

I'd be very underwhelmed and unimpressed by somebody Reeve's size playing Superman in 2011. Not after we've seen Bale's Batman.

Kinda of funny considering Reeve was 6'4 225 and Bale in Begins was about 6'0 190.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't like Bale's build in Begins, he looked too huge and bulky IMHO, I perfered TDK look.

[KrypJonian]

like pumpkin bomb says. if he's too big, the whole secret identity thing won't work right, and the acts of super strength won't be as super if he's huge. so i'm gonna say, definitely not chris evans big. i actually didn't mind how routh fit into the suit.

Clark Kent wears suits slightly over sized on purpose,,, to add a frumpy look to it...

[Bren]

Disregarding how he's drawn, I thought Superman was around 6'3" at 220-230lbs, which seems like what a relatively normal big guy would look like; big, but not ridiculous.

If a 6' Cavill can get to around 210lbs of relatively 'heavy'-looking muscle, I'd be happy with that. When I was gymming, I was easily getting to 220lbs (I'm also 6'), but I'm a bit heavier built than Cavill (and I'm paying for that now!).

I just hope they cast short co-actors, because I prefer Superman being a bit taller and physically imposing than the norm.

[SatEL]

like pumpkin bomb says. if he's too big, the whole secret identity thing won't work right, and the acts of super strength won't be as super if he's huge. so i'm gonna say, definitely not chris evans big. i actually didn't mind how routh fit into the suit.

This is ridiculous, no matter how big he looks (6,3 240lbs) when he stops an aeroplane or flies fast enough to stop a bullet from hitting someone it's going to look as amazing as it would if he was 6,3 110lbs.

Clark Kent wears suits slightly over sized on purpose,,, to add a frumpy look to it...

Agreed like in All star Superman when Lex is praising Superman body and then he turns to Clark and starts ridiculing him for how out of shape and pudgy he is. Just a classic moment right there, bigger is certainly better.

[Colossal Spoons]

Kinda of funny considering Reeve was 6'4 225 and Bale in Begins was about 6'0 190.

It's all about composition. Height and weight just tell me how much space you take up in the world, nothing about your physique.

[Astrodust]

It's all about composition. Height and weight just tell me how much space you take up in the world, nothing about your physique.

Do you mean proportion? I'm pretty sure we are composed of the same stuff. Mind you I almost failed biology.

[Colossal Spoons]

I guess that would be a better word haha

<--Biologist :D

[Kalonthar]

It's all about composition. Height and weight just tell me how much space you take up in the world, nothing about your physique.

True, but my post was in reply to a post that said size, not physique. :oldrazz:

[Superman_20]

This is ridiculous, no matter how big he looks (6,3 240lbs) when he stops an aeroplane or flies fast enough to stop a bullet from hitting someone it's going to look as amazing as it would if he was 6,3 110lbs.



Agreed like in All star Superman when Lex is praising Superman body and then he turns to Clark and starts ridiculing him for how out of shape and pudgy he is. Just a classic moment right there, bigger is certainly better.
\\

http://overheard.loveneverfails.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/clarksuperman.jpg

i think its easy to pull that off and clark should look stumpy and ugly, but in the movies they have never done that.. i'd like to see them try that, that clark actually looks sloppy, unkept, i wouldn't mind if he wore even contact lenses as clark, that he looks like he had redish eyes or even stuck out his chin, lips, etc to look stumpy and chunky....


as far as his physique like i posted earlier, the bigger the better because a suit can hide anything and as clark the fatter he looks the better... and with all the time he has to train, any bodybuilder can help him get into pretty good shape, he just needs to be on a bodybuilding plan and diet and in 4-5 months he wont get too huge but he'll get big...



(Notice also these guys were in bad shape before they started also)
4 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans2.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans15.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans16.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt3.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt15.htm


these guys were not starting out in shape and got pretty big in a hurry... for a movie actors do this all the time, if a guy can go online and find a bunch of these stories, of course anyone making a movie knows its possible and knows exactly what to do... he'll probably have him work with a bodybuilder, like charles poliquin http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ who is probably the best strength and fitness coach there is and he knows how to prepare athletes from olympians who need strength and speed to bodybuilders who only need size

http://cdn02.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Chris-Evans-Captain-America-Shirtless.jpg

http://chareyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chris-evans-captain-america.jpg

http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hugh-jackman-wolverine.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/02/jackman-wolverine/hugh-jackman-wolverine-full-fury-02.jpg




even vin diesel in a suit can hide, size is easy to hide with camera work and a suit, so the bigger the better, and alex ross never draws clark kent as a little guy either, and even if clark stands with his stomach out or chest caved in, whatever, a slouch and a suit hides size very well so the bigger the better

[SuperMike335!!]

Do you mean proportion? I'm pretty sure we are composed of the same stuff. Mind you I almost failed biology.

We are composed of the same stuff, but the ratios are vastly different person to person.

In this case we are talking bodyfat%, for an actor to play superman, his body% should be very low.

As far as how big the muscles are, for right now Cavill should just add as much mass as possible in the places that will show most on film, chest, arms, shoulders, upper back.

Leg work is good, he needs to do some, but most of the camera work will be for the upper body so that is where the effort should be concentrated.

Normally I am an advocate of total body development, but in this case it is to build an on screen illusion of a guy who is as muscular as he can possibly get away with as Clark.

Because there is only so much muscle the human body can gain in a short amount of time, the effort needs to be put mostly into what will give him the greatest muscular look on film as soon as possible.

There is no way Cavill will even come close to crossing that line of too big, in 4 months, so no worries about him adding too much.

[Colossal Spoons]

Very true, most superheroes have little to no leg muscle. Buncha lollipops.

[Superman_20]

We are composed of the same stuff, but the ratios are vastly different person to person.

In this case we are talking bodyfat%, for an actor to play superman, his body% should be very low.

As far as how big the muscles are, for right now Cavill should just add as much mass as possible in the places that will show most on film, chest, arms, shoulders, upper back.

Leg work is good, he needs to do some, but most of the camera work will be for the upper body so that is where the effort should be concentrated.

Normally I am an advocate of total body development, but in this case it is to build an on screen illusion of a guy who is as muscular as he can possibly get away with as Clark.

Because there is only so much muscle the human body can gain in a short amount of time, the effort needs to be put mostly into what will give him the greatest muscular look on film as soon as possible.

There is no way Cavill will even come close to crossing that line of too big, in 4 months, so no worries about him adding too much.

im thinking they are going to be working compound, probably a lot of squats, bench presses, lifting heavy and a lot of food, kind of like what edward norton did for american history x and bale for batman

[SuperMike335!!]

Very true, most superheroes have little to no leg muscle. Buncha lollipops.


Well, that is not the point here. If one were to "realize" the build of a Superhero the legs should be very well developed too.

Its only that there is a finite amount of muscle the body can add in a short amount of time, so it needs to go where it will help the most on camera.

I'm not saying he should avoid leg training, but more effert needs to be put where the camera will be.

We don't want him having a case of lollipops... LOL

[SuperMike335!!]

im thinking they are going to be working compound, probably a lot of squats, bench presses, lifting heavy and a lot of food, kind of like what edward norton did for american history x and bale for batman

They will also need to focus on specifiic delt and arm work.

For chest I would have the guy doing a lot of incline movement, Incline bench presses and so on.

Squats and Deads are great as they add muscle over-all, but other than those two I would really not have him doing anything else for legs.

Anyway, an IFBB Pro would be the best bet for knowing what to do exactly with him.

[Superman_20]

They will also need to focus on specifiic delt and arm work.

For chest I would have the guy doing a lot of incline movement, Incline bench presses and so on.

Squats and Deads are great as they add muscle over-all, but other than those two I would really not have him doing anything else for legs.

Anyway, an IFBB Pro would be the best bet for knowing what to do exactly with him.


absolutely, the incline movements would help him build up those big slabs at the top of the chest and shoulders, although i prefer flat for size, i think it puts less stress on the shoulders and would give him a fuller look but when it comes to getting bigger in a hurry i don't know what they will be using because i guess they'd probably have to see the suit first, or maybe his physique and then tailor the suit around that instead of the other way around, i don't know

[Dark Knight]

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http://overheard.loveneverfails.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/clarksuperman.jpg

i think its easy to pull that off and clark should look stumpy and ugly, but in the movies they have never done that.. i'd like to see them try that, that clark actually looks sloppy, unkept, i wouldn't mind if he wore even contact lenses as clark, that he looks like he had redish eyes or even stuck out his chin, lips, etc to look stumpy and chunky....


as far as his physique like i posted earlier, the bigger the better because a suit can hide anything and as clark the fatter he looks the better... and with all the time he has to train, any bodybuilder can help him get into pretty good shape, he just needs to be on a bodybuilding plan and diet and in 4-5 months he wont get too huge but he'll get big...



(Notice also these guys were in bad shape before they started also)
4 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans2.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans15.htm

6 months...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trans16.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt3.htm

8 months....
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/transt15.htm


these guys were not starting out in shape and got pretty big in a hurry... for a movie actors do this all the time, if a guy can go online and find a bunch of these stories, of course anyone making a movie knows its possible and knows exactly what to do... he'll probably have him work with a bodybuilder, like charles poliquin http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ who is probably the best strength and fitness coach there is and he knows how to prepare athletes from olympians who need strength and speed to bodybuilders who only need size

http://cdn02.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Chris-Evans-Captain-America-Shirtless.jpg

http://chareyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chris-evans-captain-america.jpg

http://famewatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hugh-jackman-wolverine.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2009/02/jackman-wolverine/hugh-jackman-wolverine-full-fury-02.jpg




even vin diesel in a suit can hide, size is easy to hide with camera work and a suit, so the bigger the better, and alex ross never draws clark kent as a little guy either, and even if clark stands with his stomach out or chest caved in, whatever, a slouch and a suit hides size very well so the bigger the better




I get a kick out of seeing how big Evans got....(using PED's and other stuff most likely) and how small his hands are.

Funny! LOL

[SuperMike335!!]

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http://overheard.loveneverfails.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/clarksuperman.jpg



This picture is one of the best ever to illustrate a point I have tried to explain in words countless times.

Superman CAN be a big guy, and get away with it in his disguise.
With the correct posture and clothing he could easily be a chiseled and very tall and muscular man, and yet make himself appear fat and dumpy "frumpy".

With the clothing you cannot tell how cut he looks, as the muscular details are not seen. Also the tucking down of the chin would make his neck and lower part of his face look fatter.

It also make the light hit the upper part of his face more, and the lower part less, all adding to the illusion of being several inches shorter, and having a much higher bodyfat%.

So Superman looks like a big ripped guy, and Clark "looks like" a big guy, who needs to lose some fat.

The posture also effects height. This can be even more exaggerated by wearing shoes with almost no sole in them. Everybody else has on normal foot wear, thus reducing the perception of another inch.

Superman's boots can have a normal boot heel, adding another percieved inch. So the full illusion would be a huge contrast in body composition and bodyfat%, and a huge illusion of height contrast.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's crazy to think that Kal consciously does all of this while dressed as Clark to keep his identity a secret. Even changing his tone of voice, amazing.

[Excelsior.]

Don't you mean ''Super''?

[Comicfan]

No he hasnt Hemsworth is in much better shape, if anyone set the bar its this guy. http://uploadpic.org/storage/originals/lr2n9lf3ejjsuffse4usjldff2.jpg

Yeah, But Hemsworth is 2-3 inches taller than Cavill, Evans is closer in size and frame to Him

[SatEL]

Yeah, But Hemsworth is 2-3 inches taller than Cavill, Evans is closer in size and frame to Him

Height only equates to weight, body types is the main factor e.g Ectomorph, Mesomorph and Endomorph. And Cavill seems to be big boned which is something Evans isn’t, even if you was to take height into consideration Hemsworth still has the better developed body.

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't you mean ''Super''?

Haha, super indeed

[SuperMike335!!]

Yeah, But Hemsworth is 2-3 inches taller than Cavill, Evans is closer in size and frame to Him

If you factor in height, then Cavill should then have an easier time than Hemsworth.

Every inch taller = about about 10 more pounds of muscle to have the build look the same, as it is spread out on that taller frame.

Simply being taller does not make it easier to add the muscle, it only means you need to add even more to look muscular.

[Mach2Infinity]

If you factor in height, then Cavill should then have an easier time than Hemsworth.

Every inch taller = about about 10 more pounds of muscle to have the build look the same, as it is spread out on that taller frame.

Simply being taller does not make it easier to add the muscle, it only means you need to add even more to look muscular.

In addition, the amount of protein he'll require in order to increase muscle mass must be in proportion to his body weight. So a guy weighing 220lbs must eat at least 220 grams of protein every day just to build muscle mass! I think working out more stimulates your metabolism and then you'll require a higher intake of food to sustain your body but even then, you need to eat five to six times a day. It's a lot to do and not as easy as some people think.

[Superman_20]

Come to think of it, i wouldn't mind if someone worked with him like Rehan Jalali, the guy that i think worked out with Ben Affleck to get him ready for a lot of his movies, he didn't work with him for "The Town" because he was out in Boston for the movie but he was following his diet and I think Affleck was in the best shape I've ever seen him, and a large frame like that would probably look very well for Superman.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Ben+films+The+Town+Nf06xL99Rb3l.jpg
http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ben-Affleck-Shirtless-Town.jpg
http://daddycatchersrealm.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/affleck09162.jpg?w=450&h=641


It looked like he had a very good "V" taper, and broad shouldered enough to make him look commanding, I think that would also work very well for Superman.

[Colossal Spoons]

If only he was in that shape for Daredevil ha. Ben's def got broad shoulders and a VERY masculine jawline.

[Superman_20]

If only he was in that shape for Daredevil ha. Ben's def got broad shoulders and a VERY masculine jawline.

well for a character that was pretty serious and dark supposedly a playground high flying fight seemed pretty dumb and his red longish hair sucked too... if he would have been in the shape, firm faced and with that haircut when he did daredevil that would have been huge and if he had been using kuntao or a type of silat (like denzel in book of eli) or even a type of wing chun like donnie yen in yip-man that would have been awesome... reeder's kuntao would have been perfect since liue sieong kuntao was brought to someone outside their family by a man who was legally blind (which is the guy that david carradine's character in kung fu was based on FYI)

[Superman_20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6jc_9OzhI

by the way if daredevil had fought using this instead of that crap he was doing in the movie that would have been awesome

[Astrodust]

double post.

[Astrodust]

I think Cavill is in for a rude awakening. My guess is he will start his training sometime this or next month. Here is what the girls of Sucker Punch had to endure. They basically did 3 months training prior to filming and another 5 while shooting.

Malone: Yeah. Definitely. Emily, Abby, and I did three months. Jaime and Vanessa came in at the end of the second month and we just kept training for eight months. We had amazing Navy Seals that were basically our physical trainers and our nutritionists. Then we had Damon Caro’s amazing stunt team. We would do four to six hours of martial arts in the morning then we would have a forty-five minute juice break followed by an hour and a half of physical strength training. In the first week I felt like Jello. I mean literally. I didn’t even realize I could do these things, but by the end of it I was doing like five pull-ups in a row and doing dead-lifts of like 235 lbs. I became, like, a complete and utter beast. I just was craving it, you know?

http://collider.com/comic-con-jena-malone-interview-sucker-punch/40206/

[nocomics]

I think the problem with Routh is the poor guy did all this bulking up only to be encased in a rubber suit that made all his work practically invisible.
This. Routh had that 'Swimmers' build going and I found nothing wrong with that at all. I personally didn't mind the look of the suit,but overall it made Routh look uncomfortable imo.
Supes doesn't have to be built like thor imo,he just can't be overally big or scrawny and I'm sure all will be okay. To me Routh/Reeves had a good build for playing Superman tall,above average build and broad shoulders..
I just think its a combination of things will make Superman/Kent look good and thats the actor himself and how the suit fits him. Will they make a suit that fits the actors build,will the actor be built enough so they don'lt have to add any extra muscle suit props? etc...If they do have to add 'padding' will it make the suit/actor good etc..... Just so many variables to that appearance,plus angles of shots etc...

[SuperMike335!!]

I think Cavill is in for a rude awakening. My guess is he will start his training sometime this or next month. Here is what the girls of Sucker Punch had to endure. They basically did 3 months training prior to filming and another 5 while shooting.

Malone: Yeah. Definitely. Emily, Abby, and I did three months. Jaime and Vanessa came in at the end of the second month and we just kept training for eight months. We had amazing Navy Seals that were basically our physical trainers and our nutritionists. Then we had Damon Caro’s amazing stunt team. We would do four to six hours of martial arts in the morning then we would have a forty-five minute juice break followed by an hour and a half of physical strength training. In the first week I felt like Jello. I mean literally. I didn’t even realize I could do these things, but by the end of it I was doing like five pull-ups in a row and doing dead-lifts of like 235 lbs. I became, like, a complete and utter beast. I just was craving it, you know?




I don't know if this will be the same kind of training, but it will be an intense several months.

Overall Cavill's bodyfat% is already low, and he is not going to need martial arts skill.

Maybe some basic brawling, but other than that, not much.

For the most part, he needs to add all the muscle 4 months will allow for. There is no way he could get too big, even if he tried, just not enough time.

Therefor what I would expect is a world class bodybuilding coach, likely a former IFBB Pro.

That sort of training is intense, but not more than about 1 hour of intense weights a day, for sure, but a lot more of the time will be spent actively resting, and packing down a lot of high protein food.

That is the majority of his work, will be his mouth, eating protein every 3 hours. Packing in as many quality calories as he can, without spilling over into fat.

[Majestic]

For one 4 months is a long time to do a lot with the body if there is a the correct diet and workout. He does not need an IFBB pro for the workout in my opinion. For starters probably 99% of all competition body builders use multiple steroids (stacking) to achieve the particular look they are going for so the training they do is very enhanced so to speak. This is not to say that they are not working hard which they are but it is not a natural way to go about it. There are many trainers that are more than qualified that are not body builders to help achieve what they want plus build a better base for someone that is not a bodybuilder.

[WarriorDreamer]

Have people mentioned the face Zack Snyder said himself he identified more with the muscular, bigger Superman? That he prefer's Superman looking like that?

There's a good chance he will make Cavill go through intense training to please the fanboys and fangirls.

;)

[Majestic]

He will be in great shape I am sure but not a bodybuilder type that I can promise. But I am sure snyder has a good idea the kind of shape he wants him in and the training he needs to do for sure.

[Astrodust]

Snyder will put Cavill through the best workout he can in the time he has. So if he put the Sucker Punch girls through 3 months of intense training prior to filming and 5 months during, I'm sure he has plans to exceed that if Cavill's schedule allows it. My guess is 4 months of strength and conditioning training before filming and 6-8 weeks of stunt and wire work. Plus Snyder likes to keep the training going for the duration of filming so probably another 6-8 months of training after during the shoot.

[Kal-El.9859]

as long as the dude has some muscles and can knock the **** outta someone I'm set

[Bren]

as long as the dude has some muscles and can knock the **** outta someone I'm set

He's :supes:, of course he can! :woot:

Here's to hoping that he does!!!

[Timstuff]

Zack Snyder directed 300.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/l2j4u/300_wallpaper_q.jpg

I think it's safe to presume that his standards are pretty high as far as getting actors in to shape goes. Granted, the actors in 300 needed to be more cut than bulky, but I think a lot of people will be impressed with how well Cavill sizes up after lots of training and some "superhero's little helper."

[Astrodust]

If Cavill looks like any one of those guys, I will be happy.

[Kal-El.9859]

yup same here

[batman_1989_]

I think that he's going to look like Gary Frank's Superman:
http://i.newsarama.com/images/smso-cv4-ds-revised-copy_02.jpg

[Kal-El.9859]

if he looks exactly like that I would not be sad. Just make the cape longer...I love the extended cape

[The Shield]

Perfect Movie size Superman right there.

[Astrodust]

Perfect Movie size Superman right there.

Comics are heavily exagerated and that is bodybuilder size. On film it can get away with not looking that big. A climber or swimmers body is good enough. Or the best physique would be a gymnast.

[The Shield]

Gymnast have very big upper bodies. Similar to that picture I like. I don't want him to have a smaller physique then that. He's about as big as the bigger guys in the 300 photo and that looks pretty good to me. Once he puts on the suit it will appear smaller anyway because color gives the illusion that the wearer is smaller then they really are. It's a trick that plus size people use to "take off" a few lbs. Too be totally honest I actually didn't think Gary Frank's Superman looked that big. Very proportionate imo. About the size of a small NFL tight end. Maybe because I don't think I'm a big guy and everyone else does is why I don't see it. I feel normal but friends and acquaintances see me as a "bodybuilder". I don't see what they see and that's prob what's going on here.

[M.O.Steel]

You're right.
Some people blasted Routh for his physique, but he looked huge out of the costume. I think the prevailing theory is that the costume squeezed him so much, it made him look smaller, and took away some definition.

However, with guys like Jackman, Chiris Helmsworth, and now Chris Evans getting monster sized for their respective roles, I think we should/could have a Supes that is a monster. Not pro-wrestling monster sized, but BIG.
I mean, have you seen the pic of Chris Helmsworth as Thor when he is trying to pick up his hammer that was published a few months ago? That man has set the new standard for a true actor to gain musculature in a superhero movie, and, in a quirky twist, his costume won't show his physique at all...

but none of them looked that big once in costume. the Leather Xmen suit, the thor suit, or the cap america costume. none of those would have looked that big in the superman costume either

[SuperMike335!!]

I should point out that the term "bodybuilder" to describe a specific type of physique, s in itself flawed, as what is usually thought of as bodybuilder is generally an IFBB Pro, which tend to be over 225 (and also well under 6ft), or would be a Superheavyweight at the national level of competition in most countries.

There are lower weight classes at the national level, and many of these guys do not look "huge" by any means, just very cut when they compete.

Technically, the actors playing Thor, Captain America, the cast of 300 etc... All looked like bodybuilders, and by definition WERE build their bodies, AKA bodybuilding to get in shape for the role they were in.

They simply did not look like Superheavyweights, or IFBB Pros, and did not tend to be as cut as a bodybuilder gets for competition or photo shoots.

[kal-elrebooted]

Disregarding how he's drawn, I thought Superman was around 6'3" at 220-230lbs, which seems like what a relatively normal big guy would look like; big, but not ridiculous.

If a 6' Cavill can get to around 210lbs of relatively 'heavy'-looking muscle, I'd be happy with that. When I was gymming, I was easily getting to 220lbs (I'm also 6'), but I'm a bit heavier built than Cavill (and I'm paying for that now!).

I just hope they cast short co-actors, because I prefer Superman being a bit taller and physically imposing than the norm.
he's 6'1"

[sf2]

but none of them looked that big once in costume. the Leather Xmen suit, the thor suit, or the cap america costume. none of those would have looked that big in the superman costume either
as long as it looks good. that's fine to me.

[sf2]

and no more obvious shoulder padding pls.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7712/padding22yf.gif

it looks bad enough. yet, some blind fans still insist it's all his muscle. gosh.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, that is pretty bad

[SuperMike335!!]

One quick comment I wanted to add, this notion that big muscles will make Clark look obvious could not be more absurd.

In fact, a 250 pound Clark would be easier to hide than a 210 pounds one, and there is a very good reason for it.

Because Clark wouldn’t look like a "hunk" in a business suit, or even normal street clothes. He would look like a "chunk" however.

On the surface it seems like a decent concern, but if you know anything about how hard it is for guys with big muscles to buy decent looking clothes you would realize its not important as a concern. That is because unless they are in something skin tight, they have a big tendency to look fat. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger needed to have suits tailor made to match his physique, as regular suits made him look fat.

Superman could be a very jacked looking guy in skin tight clothing with good posture, but in general "off the rack" business clothes (ones that are not carefully tailored to show off his build) even with good posture he would still like he is a fat man.

With bad posture people at the daily planet might be offering him unsolicited dietary advice, and suggesting he think about himself and get some exercise.

[nouan]

That tight collar is dreadful. Why, costume designer, why? "We tried the open neckline, but it just didn't work"

http://rlv.zcache.com/rage_guy_fuuu_fuuuu_postcard-p239370866730673163trdg_400.jpg

[SuperMike335!!]

That tight collar is dreadful. Why, costume designer, why? "We tried the open neckline, but it just didn't work"

http://rlv.zcache.com/rage_guy_fuuu_fuuuu_postcard-p239370866730673163trdg_400.jpg

That's why Superman should not be a pencil neck like Routh. Not if you want the open neckline.

Back to my earlier point. If Superman really had this kind of a build (even minus the exaggeration of comic art) he would look fat in any clothing that was not meant to show off his build.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4162/manofsteelbyjeromekmoor.jpg

Adjusting posture to slob posture would just make him look even fatter.

Clark does not need to be "skinny", but his percieved build needs to be different than Superman's. If that means Clark needs to look Chunky so be it.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2448/clarksuperman.jpg

[ChickenScratch]

One quick comment I wanted to add, this notion that big muscles will make Clark look obvious could not be more absurd.

In fact, a 250 pound Clark would be easier to hide than a 210 pounds one, and there is a very good reason for it.

Because Clark wouldn’t look like a "hunk" in a business suit, or even normal street clothes. He would look like a "chunk" however.

On the surface it seems like a decent concern, but if you know anything about how hard it is for guys with big muscles to buy decent looking clothes you would realize its not important as a concern. That is because unless they are in something skin tight, they have a big tendency to look fat. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger needed to have suits tailor made to match his physique, as regular suits made him look fat.

Superman could be a very jacked looking guy in skin tight clothing with good posture, but in general of the rack business clothes (ones that are not carefully tailored to show off his build) even with good posture he would still like he is a fat man.

With bad posture people at the daily planet might be offering him unsolicited dietary advice, and suggesting he think about himself and get some exercise.

I agree. The guy who teaches weightlifting at my dojo is a pretty huge dude with a build that is very impressive. But at an awards ceremony we attended a few years ago he looked fat in his suit. His thick muscular neck with the collar and tie around it made him look even more fat, the suit draping straight down at the sides rather than contouring to his form made him look like a barn head on and how it hung off his chest made him look almost pregnant from the side.

[DorkyFresh]

Superman is not Thor or Captain America. he doesn't have to look like a steroid freak. he just needs to look solid and strong, but he also needs to be slim enough to look fast and agile. he should look imposing in his as Superman (more so because of a confident posture and demeanor), but normal or average in a blazer. realistically speaking, i'd like to see Superman with this build...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Concepts/ultimatesuit-v4.jpg


...this is a couple steps above Cavill's "Immortals" build and a step down from Chris Evans as Captain America. he just doesn't have Evans' boob pecs and the arms that make his hands look small.

[SuperMike335!!]

Superman is not Thor or Captain America. he doesn't have to look like a steroid freak. he just needs to look solid and strong, but he also needs to be slim enough to look fast and agile. he should look imposing in his as Superman (more so because of a confident posture and demeanor), but normal or average in a blazer. realistically speaking, i'd like to see Superman with this build...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Concepts/ultimatesuit-v4.jpg


...this is a couple steps above Cavill's "Immortals" build and a step down from Chris Evans as Captain America. he just doesn't have Evans' boob pecs and the arms that make his hands look small.

He should look every bit as musclar as Chris Evens in Captain america. That is not even close to being so big he would look like a monster in an average blazer. He would just average.

The build in that picture looks very thin. The chest and shoulders look right, but the arms don't look like they match the chest.

The legs on that picture look like they are atrophied from anorexia. Chris Reeve and Brandon Routh's legs look like those of the hulk compared to the legs in that art.

[DorkyFresh]

He should look every bit as musclar as Chris Evens in Captain america.
he should be close, but not quite as big...which is pretty much the build i portrayed in that concept. if Cavill ends up being Evans' build, i won't complain...but i'd rather him be a step below Evans.

That is not even close to being so big he would look like a monster in an average blazer. He would just average.
in an AVERAGE blazer??? i'm not sure Evans would even fit in an average blazer. if he DID fit in an average blazer it would be "fat guy in a lil' coat" except replace "fat" with "hulk".

The build in that picture looks very thin.
if we are talking comic world, then yes...if we are talking real world, then you must eat McDonald's everyday to think my depiction of Superman is "very thin".

The chest and shoulders look right, but the arms don't look like they match the chest.
it's a straight forward shot (not from an angle or the side) so his arms won't look very big. when you look at a person's arms from the angle in my concept, they never look as big as a person's arms from the side.

The legs on that picture look like they are atrophied from anorexia.
exaggerate much? i concede i drew his legs weak compared to the rest of his body, but i'd love for you to show me a picture of an anorexic with legs that solid.

i still maintain that Superman should look muscular and big but not like Thor or Captain America. i want Superman to look ripped but more like a real athlete, not someone who just lifts weights all day.

[SuperMike335!!]

if we are talking comic world, then yes...if we are talking real world, then you must eat McDonald's everyday to think my depiction of Superman is "very thin".


Hey I gave you my OPINION of the build.

I did not insult YOU as an artist. Its a fine drawing, never said it was not.

I stand by my opinion.

Keep you personal insults to yourself.

[DorkyFresh]

ooo, looks like i struck a nerve. my apologies for the insult, but i just don't get how you think my depiction of Superman is "very thin". thin compared to the rest of the drawings on here, yes....but if we're comparing my illustration to the real people then he's far from "very thin". i didn't mean to be rude with the McD's comment, but i'm just sayin'....one has to be pretty huge to consider a real person with that type of build as "very thin".

i'm glad you stand by your opinion...but i just don't see how you came to that conclusion.

[WarriorDreamer]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/yummymalemodels/SMnc9h0ADrI/AAAAAAAAPRc/Rn0qjHiQJoA/s800/Alan_Valdez.jpg

I think Clark should look like this when he starts getting his clothes off.

To give something for the girls to stare at. Oh... and of course THOSE guys, lol.



Looks very defined in a suit but not actually very big size-wise in clothes.

That's pretty much all I've gotta say in the matter.

[Stephen K. Hone]

That's why Superman should not be a pencil neck like Routh. Not if you want the open neckline.

Back to my earlier point. If Superman really had this kind of a build (even minus the exaggeration of comic art) he would look fat in any clothing that was not meant to show off his build.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4162/manofsteelbyjeromekmoor.jpg

Adjusting posture to slob posture would just make him look even fatter.

Clark does not need to be "skinny", but his percieved build needs to be different than Superman's. If that means Clark needs to look Chunky so be it.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2448/clarksuperman.jpg



I always got the feeling that Mingenbech's costume eschewed the traditional open neck for a T-shirt collar for precisely the reason you stated, BR didn't have the traps/neck to pull it off.

[Colossal Spoons]

i want Superman to look ripped but more like a real athlete, not someone who just lifts weights all day.

Damn, your bias is showing. Is "just lifting weights all day" that easy?

While a good drawing, your Superman is very thin. Especially his legs, like you and Mike already agreed on.

[DorkyFresh]

Damn, your bias is showing. Is "just lifting weights all day" that easy?
i never said "just lifting weights all day" is easy...but only lifting weights versus lifting weights AND running AND swimming AND jumping, etc.? i DID mention that i want Superman to look like a REAL ATHLETE...and while i realize that many consider bodybuilders "athletes" i, personally, consider an "athlete" someone who plays rugby, football, soccer, tumbles, etc.

Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth, while muscular, look very bulgy and puffy. on the other hand, Hugh Jackman in those pictures posted a while back, might not be as BIG as Evans or Hemsworth...he looks more SOLID and more like an ATHLETE. movie Wolverine looks like he could easily out swim movie Captain America and movie Thor. Evans and Hemsworth certainly look powerful, but Jackman, while looking powerful, ALSO looks like he could be quick and nimble.

While a good drawing, your Superman is very thin.
so you consider this...

http://amygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/25588pcn_hugh01.jpg

..."very thin" then? Jackman in that picture in basically the same size as Superman in my rendition, if not a tad smaller. damn, your bias is showing!

Especially his legs, like you and Mike already agreed on.
you're right...i've already acknowledged that his legs are too thin, so there's really no point in bringing that up unless you're trying to throw in a little dig there to back up your buddy.

[SuperMike335!!]

ooo, looks like i struck a nerve. my apologies for the insult,


You directly implied I'm a fat.

Throwing in another insult like like that clearly makes an sort of following apology snarky, and even more rude.

For the record, I just don't like insults.

Granted I'm not in suprman shape, or even that cut, but I AM a strong guy.

Here is what I actually look like:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1429/5august2009party2.jpg
(yeah go ahead and manip that to look like the comedian from Watchmen ;p )

Yes that tattoo is a combat patch (34ID + 1st Cav). Quick Reaction Force Route Irish Baghdad 2004 - 2005. Yes I joined the board when I was over there.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5501/withflash32.jpg

Not a good picture with too much flash.

Anyway, my Point for what I think Superman should be built like; is that I hate seeing a guy who "looks like" I could take him in a fight without powers.

When I think Superman, he should "look like" he could easily kick my butt in a hand to hand fight even without powers.

I don't think I set the bar too high in asking that.

i never said "just lifting weights all day" is easy...but only lifting weights versus lifting weights AND running AND swimming AND jumping, etc.? i DID mention that i want Superman to look like a REAL ATHLETE...and while i realize that many consider bodybuilders "athletes" i, personally, consider an "athlete" someone who plays rugby, football, soccer, tumbles, etc.

That is a Strawman, an easy argument to knock down, but not one anybody made.

Nobody is saying he should be "bodybuilder" (vague term anyway) big.

[DorkyFresh]

You directly implied I'm a fat.

Throwing in another insult like like that clearly makes an sort of following apology snarky, and even more rude.

For the record, I just don't like insults.
alright man...foreal, sincere apologies for the insult. i didn't mean to imply that you were fat, but rather that anyone who saw my rendition of Supes as "very thin" would have to be pretty damn big (and you are...in a positive way). i was just really at awe how anyone could consider someone with a build like Hugh Jackman's "very thin". if you had just said "thin" then i would've just ignored it...but "VERY thin" to me is someone like Ashton Kutcher.

Granted I'm not in suprman shape, or even that cut, but I AM a strong guy.

Here is what I actually look like:

Yes that tattoo is a combat patch. Quick Reaction Force Route Irish Baghdad 2004 - 2005. Yes I joined the board when I was over there.

Not a good picture with too much flash.
no...you're definitely not fat and no....i definitely wouldn't be talking this tough if we were in person ;)

Anyway, my Point for what I think Superman should be built like; is that I hate seeing a guy who "looks like" I could take him in a fight without powers.

When I think Superman, he should "look like" he could easily kick my butt in a hand to hand fight even without powers.

I don't think I set the bar too high in asking that.
i hate to keep bringing him up, but i really do think Jackman has the perfect build for Superman. given the theory that he had all the same combat experience that you do, do you think you can take someone with Hugh Jackman's physique? if yes...how easily?

also, lemme preface this question with my wish to NEVER see a puny Superman (he should ALWAYS be portrayed as a muscular man) but wouldn't it be MORE impressive to see someone with a less muscular build perform feats of strength that someone with a VERY muscular build can perform? that's one of the reasons Bruce Lee was so respected....despite his small size, he was very powerful.

[Lone]

Mike, I think that second pic of yours would be a good size for Cavill but he should have more muscle definition IMO.

[SuperMike335!!]

i was just really at awe how anyone could consider someone with a build like Hugh Jackman's "very thin".

I see the issue of disagreement now. I did not perceive the drawning’s build as looking like High Jackman’s.

Jackman has a great build for Superman to have. He would have at least the amount of muscle size I have, and is certainly a lot more cut.

In person, a guy of such build, who is about 6’3" or 6’4", would "look like" the could take me in a fight.

If Cavill gets in the shape Hugh is in at his best, then by all means I’d think that’s a good build for Superman to have.

Mike, I think that second pic of yours would be a good size for Cavill but he should have more muscle definition IMO.

Thanks, and yes, I could lose about 10-15 pounds of fat. Its the winter here and I seem to like my drink and food a bit much.

[Kal-El.9859]

You directly implied I'm a fat.

Throwing in another insult like like that clearly makes an sort of following apology snarky, and even more rude.

For the record, I just don't like insults.

Granted I'm not in suprman shape, or even that cut, but I AM a strong guy.

Here is what I actually look like:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1429/5august2009party2.jpg
(yeah go ahead and manip that to look like the comedian from Watchmen ;p )

Yes that tattoo is a combat patch (34ID + 1st Cav). Quick Reaction Force Route Irish Baghdad 2004 - 2005. Yes I joined the board when I was over there.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5501/withflash32.jpg

Not a good picture with too much flash.

Anyway, my Point for what I think Superman should be built like; is that I hate seeing a guy who "looks like" I could take him in a fight without powers.

When I think Superman, he should "look like" he could easily kick my butt in a hand to hand fight even without powers.

I don't think I set the bar too high in asking that.



That is a Strawman, an easy argument to knock down, but not one anybody made.

Nobody is saying he should be "bodybuilder" (vague term anyway) big.

this guy could kick my ass and I'm a 74Delta

[SatEL]

Supermike335 much respect to you, your the only one (and a few minorities who know what they are talking about in regards to BB). Evans wouldn’t look like a raging hulk in a blazer, that very idea is ludicrous, he has some mass but what’s impressive is his low BF which adds visually to his overall look. Hell Hemsworth who is bigger all around wouldn’t look like a raging hulk in a blazer.

[SatEL]

i never said "just lifting weights all day" is easy...but only lifting weights versus lifting weights AND running AND swimming AND jumping, etc.?

What?????:huh::huh::huh::huh::huh:,
no disrespect Dorky as I actually like you but it's obvious when it comes to working out your virtually clueless. Ok let me clarify something for you, no one and I mean no one except for power lifters simply "lift weights". Even Big steroid looking monsters who look like they can barely reach around to wipe their ass will do Cardio, that’s right what you just described is generally referred to as cardio exercises "running", "swimming" and "jumping". I can assure you without even looking at their workout routines that both Hemsworth and Evans did Cardio at some point in their exercise.

i DID mention that i want Superman to look like a REAL ATHLETE...and while i realize that many consider bodybuilders "athletes" i, personally, consider an "athlete" someone who plays rugby, football, soccer, tumbles, etc.

Both Rugby and football players are huge all around and then you have the crème de le crème of Footballers in Peak condition like Reggie Bush. Who is big and fast and would be considered no less an Athlete than a smaller guy. You see your using the term Athlete to define a look when that shouldn’t be the case, either way their is no set look for an Athlete they come in all shapes and sizes and can range from 110LBS to 250LBS. So Superman can be as huge as a brick and still be an Athlete.:yay:


Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth, while muscular, look very bulgy and puffy. on the other hand, Hugh Jackman in those pictures posted a while back, might not be as BIG as Evans or Hemsworth...he looks more SOLID and more like an ATHLETE. movie Wolverine looks like he could easily out swim movie Captain America and movie Thor. Evans and Hemsworth certainly look powerful, but Jackman, while looking powerful, ALSO looks like he could be quick and nimble.

No Evans and Hemsworth don’t look Puffy, the look muscular and cut nothing puffy about them. I don’t know if your using the wrong terms but there is no way in hell Jackman looks more "Solid " than Hemsworth no freaking way in hell. Yes Jackman does look like he would be more quick and nimble than the other two but that’s based solely on a false stereotype that people to muscular are slow. Besides no one is going to look fast enough to be able to move faster than a speeding bullet, Supermans size isn’t relevance to his powers.

[SatEL]

also, lemme preface this question with my wish to NEVER see a puny Superman (he should ALWAYS be portrayed as a muscular man) but wouldn't it be MORE impressive to see someone with a less muscular build perform feats of strength that someone with a VERY muscular build can perform? that's one of the reasons Bruce Lee was so respected....despite his small size, he was very powerful.

No not really, A Super feat is a super feat despite the size of Superman.

[Colossal Spoons]

you're right...i've already acknowledged that his legs are too thin, so there's really no point in bringing that up unless you're trying to throw in a little dig there to back up your buddy.

This isn't nearly as serious or personal for me as it obviously is for you so um...hakuna matata.

[04nbod]

I think Cavill is in for a rude awakening. My guess is he will start his training sometime this or next month. Here is what the girls of Sucker Punch had to endure. They basically did 3 months training prior to filming and another 5 while shooting.

Malone: Yeah. Definitely. Emily, Abby, and I did three months. Jaime and Vanessa came in at the end of the second month and we just kept training for eight months. We had amazing Navy Seals that were basically our physical trainers and our nutritionists. Then we had Damon Caro’s amazing stunt team. We would do four to six hours of martial arts in the morning then we would have a forty-five minute juice break followed by an hour and a half of physical strength training. In the first week I felt like Jello. I mean literally. I didn’t even realize I could do these things, but by the end of it I was doing like five pull-ups in a row and doing dead-lifts of like 235 lbs. I became, like, a complete and utter beast. I just was craving it, you know?

http://collider.com/comic-con-jena-malone-interview-sucker-punch/40206/


Cavill has already said he spends time in the gym because he gains weight easily. He probably gets away with cardio though. He really buffed up for Immortals. Its one thing to look good in the suit and its another for a man to look good topless. Evans looks pretty unnatural. There is a risk Superman will look beastly shirtless to look the part in a suit.

[Bren]

Isn't it as simple as some people want a visual representation of his power, and some people don't (mind if he isn't)?

I'll always prefer a Superman who is appreciably bigger than the average man. Because like it or not, a guy's height/size still has a lot to do with perceptions of being 'better', and I'd like Superman to have that.

Having him being such a 'nice' guy, and yet can still be intimidating, works for me. It's got nothing to do with his actual powers; when he's standing in front of you looking down at you, he's not using any powers, but he's definitely still looking powerful. That's what I'd prefer.

If we don't get that (ie, they don't cast really short people :cwink:) then hopefully Cavill just nails the rest of the Superman character in what turns out to be a good movie, and I'll be very happy.

[04nbod]

I get a kick out of seeing how big Evans got....(using PED's and other stuff most likely) and how small his hands are.

Funny! LOL

and his pinhead. Evans is totally out of proportion. Its like he has someone else's chest. Compare that to Hugh Jackman, who is buff but his body looks like it fits the rest of him.

If Superman is going to have an open necked costume he needs broad shoulders but that could risk us getting another pinhead. I'm all for a high collar that can be folded under his shirt.