How would the general audience react to Hulk talking??

[LuisTX85]

Many big Hulk fans like myself would love for the Hulk to finally talk as in the comics,But IF he did then how do you think the general audience would react to Hulk having speaking lines besides"hulk...smash!"?.

I could imagine plenty of"cheesy/lame/retarded/gay/stupid/hilarious"comments going on!,I would maybe agree that it could come off as cheesy But I still think it would be great and no need to make him into a talking machine But some lines would be a great treat for fans and one that I could imagine happening could be.....

The Avengers have Hulk down on his knees or something after all of them taking big shots to him,And then Thor asks"Thou this green beast not talk for itself OR is the only living soul within Bruce Banner hidden underneath this savage monster??".....Hulk struggles to form words But then yells out"Hulk is stronger/faster/mightier and better than you!....Hulk smash's through you!"

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I've never heard anyone complain of his talking in The Incredible Hulk.

"Leave me alone."

"Betty..."

"HULK...SMASH!"

If anything, that last line got people really excited. It's one of those "Hell yeah!" moments and I think more lines like that would generate the same reaction in The Avengers.

[KalMart]

He should not talk like a caveman. Maybe single words and answers on rare occasions...or at least do it in a way that doesn't sound like he's stupid. remember Iron Giant? Something along the lines of that if he can't speak normally, or just have him retain his ability to converse like Banner....but he's very reserved, only speaking when absolutely necessary.

[bert19]

To be honest, i think most people kind of like it when he says very little and is quite mono-syllabic. I'm personally of the belief that they had him speak just about enough in the Norton movie of a couple of years back. It had effect, when he (or Banner coming through) wanted to be left alone, did the 'Hulk Smash!' thing and then acknowledged the only person who hadn't attacked him in Betty.

He doesn't need to say much, the massive green-ness and huge acts of unstoppable violence pretty much does it for him.

[Dark Raven]

I want him to be able to say "Hulk love beans. Beans are good."

[jadejaws]

If you check the old 70s comics, the Hulk did speak in full sentences as the Savage incarnation. Yet he ALWAYS referred to himself in the 3rd person and he didn't use plurals often. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't work in a movie if it was done properly. Sadly, the writers of today just can't grasp Savage Hulk's dialogue quite like Len Wein did.

[The Infernal]

If the Hulk is a misunderstood foe for the Avengers to take down for the first half of the film before he becomes part of the team he has to have some dialogue. It would better establish his character to show why he's doing what he's doing. And even after part of the team, he's going to have to communicate with the other Avengers.

I don't know if he should sound like 'slow Hulk', but what he says should always be to the point.

[Crimson King]

I don't want the guy quoting Shakespeare or anything, but a little more dialog would be welcome.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

I think if they keep it along the lines of the first one (marvel Movieverse that is not ang lees) then it will be fine. One thing we dont want to see is what happened with the old conan movies. First one is a classic and Arnie doesnt talk to much but the second one he wont shut the hell up and its all corny **** too.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

The Avengers have Hulk down on his knees or something after all of them taking big shots to him,And then Thor asks"Thou this green beast not talk for itself OR is the only living soul within Bruce Banner hidden underneath this savage monster??".....Hulk struggles to form words But then yells out"Hulk is stronger/faster/mightier and better than you!....Hulk smash's through you!"
I dont mean to bash ur idea at all friend but i think its a fine line of Hulk sounding childlike in thought and then actually saying stuff that a five year old would say. Just my opinion
Also i think it would be nice to see the hulk actually winning his fight with the Avengers but then possible takes a critical blow while defending some civilians from maybe some debree or an explosion. It would be cool if savage hulk was the only one in that moment that new what is important kinda like how in Civil War the heroes didnt relise how much harm they were causing

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

As long as they pick and choose the lines well, and they're delivered effectively, they should come across just fine. Even if they do seem kind of corny, people won't mind in the right context.

Some that I'd like to hear are "Hulk smash metal man!" and "Hulk is strongest one there is!"

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Whoa, I had no idea there was another Pumpkin Bomb here.

Howdy.

[KalMart]

I don't want the guy quoting Shakespeare or anything, but a little more dialog would be welcome.

Hulk think something rotten in state of Denmark.

Do Hulk fans....like...talk to eachother (or themselves) in Hulkanese? "Mmm...Big Gulp taste good..." "Hulk want more cereal...", etc....?

[Khemik@L]

I like this kind of talking:
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (http://disney.go.com/xd/avengers/cds/videos/index.html)

[Crimson King]

I don't think I like Hulk calling people "Einstein."

[ArtTeacher]

Also i think it would be nice to see the hulk actually winning his fight with the Avengers but then possible takes a critical blow while defending some civilians from maybe some debree or an explosion. It would be cool if savage hulk was the only one in that moment that new what is important

This would be a fantasy come true for me.
But instead of a critical blow/explosion ending the fight, how about this:
The Avengers throw everything they can at the Hulk and he just keeps coming. They don't know how to take him down...and then they'll see the Hulk actually protecting innocents/a puppy/a deer and the Avengers will horrifically ask themselves who the real monsters are, here.

The break in fighting is what will calm the Hulk down. Then the team will realize that the Hulk is much more an asset than a hindrance and they need him (because they definitely don't want to be against him)!

[jadejaws]

I don't think I like Hulk calling people "Einstein."

agreed....the Hulk being a wise @ss just doesn't speak to me.

[TheVileOne]

Its a different take on the Hulk. Hulk has had varied levels of intelligence and coherent dialogue. Take the Planet Hulk and World War Hulk shorelines.

[LuisTX85]

I kinda liked the Hulk's talking in"Planet Hulk"!,"Hulk is the strongest there is!"would be a must have IMO.....IF they go ahead with the idea of it.

[JeetKuneDo]

To be honest, i think most people kind of like it when he says very little and is quite mono-syllabic. I'm personally of the belief that they had him speak just about enough in the Norton movie of a couple of years back. It had effect, when he (or Banner coming through) wanted to be left alone, did the 'Hulk Smash!' thing and then acknowledged the only person who hadn't attacked him in Betty.

He doesn't need to say much, the massive green-ness and huge acts of unstoppable violence pretty much does it for him.

TIH needed a bit more. The cave scene with he and Betty is the perfect example of one of many wasted opportunities for the poor Hulk character over the years. The Hulk of the comics talks to Betty. The Hulk of the comics does not meekly accept being called "Bruce".

Instead we got: Hulk character stares at Betty balefully as we cross our fingers that the audience can figure out what he is thinking.

The fight with the Abomination was frustrating....as The Abomination was given lots of things to say and was able to express himself quite well. (note the the audience did not break out into gales of laughter when he spoke) The Hulk in the exact same scenes was again relegated to a mute that has to struggle to form two words.

I truly despise that TV show. That's where this entire idea came from. We've had countless talking "monsters" who had strange speech patterns over the years that audiences had no problem with. But somehow the Hulk is the one that would cause everyone to laugh.

Spider-Man doesn't know how lucky he was that his equally lame TV show never got going. (Spider-Man was also a mute in that one) Since Bill Bixby was "the star" he had to get all the attention. Poor Lou was just there to flex his muscles and jog away so Bill could get back onscreen.

This formula was so "successful" that the TV show never broke into the top 25 in the ratings. Naturally Hollywood copied that formula instead of trying something different....so two Hulk movies that also failed to generate anything special at the box office resulted.

So by all means...let's keep doing that! :word:

[marcvader]

I used to love that show as a kid. So whatever. Bixby is my favorite Banner.

[EML420]

One of my friends doesnt like the idea of hulk talking I conisder him to be in the general audience side of things. But if he does talk it should be breif and when needed and his facial reactions should carry him when words arent being used.

[misjuevos]

i hope he does talk, more hulk and less banner for avengers.
if they had no problem with the thing talking(orange rock monster), they should have no problem with the hulk who's alter ego is a freakin genius. im sure turning into the hulk doesnt make him retarded, so he should be able to speak. when he is the hulk he always tries to save people or keep people from harm so he has intelligence. i figure he is just so angry that it's like waking up in the morning and people try to talk to you or joke around and all you want to do is wake up. so maybe he has just been too cranky to speak and now he is "woken up" more and can now speak.

[Crimson King]

I think of Hulk as the ultimate personification of id. He doesn't talk much because his brain is frenetic, and when he is forced to talk his sentences rarely make much sense. When you start adding in more dialog, you lose that and it sort of takes away from his raging monster persona.

TIH Hulk needed a few more lines, but not many.

[Cyclonus]

TIH needed a bit more. The cave scene with he and Betty is the perfect example of one of many wasted opportunities for the poor Hulk character over the years. The Hulk of the comics talks to Betty. The Hulk of the comics does not meekly accept being called "Bruce".

Instead we got: Hulk character stares at Betty balefully as we cross our fingers that the audience can figure out what he is thinking.

The fight with the Abomination was frustrating....as The Abomination was given lots of things to say and was able to express himself quite well. (note the the audience did not break out into gales of laughter when he spoke) The Hulk in the exact same scenes was again relegated to a mute that has to struggle to form two words.

I truly despise that TV show. That's where this entire idea came from. We've had countless talking "monsters" who had strange speech patterns over the years that audiences had no problem with. But somehow the Hulk is the one that would cause everyone to laugh.

Spider-Man doesn't know how lucky he was that his equally lame TV show never got going. (Spider-Man was also a mute in that one) Since Bill Bixby was "the star" he had to get all the attention. Poor Lou was just there to flex his muscles and jog away so Bill could get back onscreen.

This formula was so "successful" that the TV show never broke into the top 25 in the ratings. Naturally Hollywood copied that formula instead of trying something different....so two Hulk movies that also failed to generate anything special at the box office resulted.

So by all means...let's keep doing that! :word:

Agreed, the damn TV show is the problem, to many people, especially those who never read Hulk comics, think that is how the Hulk should be. I use to watch it as a kid, and I liked it but, The Hulk should be based from the source material - the COMICS, not the TV show with Bill Bixby, the Hulk can talk and should talk, just not alot. It would be stupid to not have the Hulk talk in the Avengers movie.
P.S. Hulk vs the Avengers in a movie idea is played out, The purpose of TIH movie was to portray him as a hero, lets keep going in that direction.

[ArtTeacher]

This formula was so "successful" that the TV show never broke into the top 25 in the ratings. Naturally Hollywood copied that formula instead of trying something different....so two Hulk movies that also failed to generate anything special at the box office resulted.

So by all means...let's keep doing that! :word:

So, the #26 show in the ratings (look it up) is to blame for the two movies?
It has nothing to do with Ang Lee, moss, multiple-choice Hulk height, Absorbing Dad, and a whole lot of nothing happening, right?
The single flaw of both movies is that they were basing it on the aspect of the TV show that had the Hulk not speak?
Ang Lee's Hulk didn't pull any aspect of the TV show...so stop blaming the TV show for the cinematic abortion that was Ang Lee's Hulk. He even misquoted the *one* verbal homage to the show.

And I think TIH suffered from 1) trying a reboot too soon--the wound from 2003 was still fresh. People were saying, "I got burnt by that once, not again," and 2) instead of trying to make the best Hulk movie they could, they tried to make a movie that WASN'T Ang Lee's Hulk in every way. They succeeded in the latter.

Agreed, the damn TV show is the problem, to many people, especially those who never read Hulk comics, think that is how the Hulk should be.

The TV show is the problem?
The show ended 28 years ago! That's older than a good portion of the audience!
Ang Lee's Hulk did more damage to the franchise than Lou Ferrigno ever did.

[Crimson King]

Ang Lee's Hulk did more damage to the franchise than Lou Ferrigno ever did.

I tend to agree with you there.

[JeetKuneDo]

So, the #26 show in the ratings (look it up) is to blame for the two movies?
It has nothing to do with Ang Lee, moss, multiple-choice Hulk height, Absorbing Dad, and a whole lot of nothing happening, right?
The single flaw of both movies is that they were basing it on the aspect of the TV show that had the Hulk not speak?
Ang Lee's Hulk didn't pull any aspect of the TV show...so stop blaming the TV show for the cinematic abortion that was Ang Lee's Hulk. He even misquoted the *one* verbal homage to the show.

And I think TIH suffered from 1) trying a reboot too soon--the wound from 2003 was still fresh. People were saying, "I got burnt by that once, not again," and 2) instead of trying to make the best Hulk movie they could, they tried to make a movie that WASN'T Ang Lee's Hulk in every way. They succeeded in the latter.

All true about Ang's movie. (Still not sure where he got the height thing from) But the TV show put the Hulk character into the public consciousness in a certain way....as a non-speaking character. It's been that way ever since.

The Hulk has never been a real character as a result. He wasn't a real character on the TV show or either of the movies. He puts in special appearances. Ask around and see if anyone knows that the Hulk and Banner are two separate beings or that the Hulk hates banner. Heck...ask someone anything about the Hulk character and see how much they know about him. This is after a TV show and two movies that were named after him.

Unlike other super heroes, it isn't still Banner when he transforms. In Spider-man, Iron Man, and Batman movies, the character is being developed whether he is in costume or not. The Hulk character....we are still waiting for him to be developed as a character. At the moment he is a mindless brute that smashes things and nothing more.


The TV show is the problem?
The show ended 28 years ago! That's older than a good portion of the audience!
Ang Lee's Hulk did more damage to the franchise than Lou Ferrigno ever did.

Ang's movie was bad in that it had the chance to repair the damage from the TV show like the first Batman movie did for that character....and didn't do it. Since so many bring up the TV show I'd say it is still a major cultural reference point. (Even Joss Whedon brings it up :csad: ) Point is...it all started with the same TV network that came up with that wonderful treatment for that failed Spider-Man TV show.

I would never blame poor Lou Ferrigno. I read once that they didn't let him talk because he had a speech impediment. Huh? That's friggin perfect for the Hulk!

No...the real reason was the "the star" had to receive all the screentime and best lines. Same thing happens when they hire an Ed Norton type for Banner...guess who isn't going to be willing to play 2nd fiddle to the Hulk character?

Some director is eventually going to figure this stuff out if he bothers to crack open a comic book and see how important the Hulk character is.

[terry78]

He should talk about as much as Jason Momoa's character on Stargate Atlantis did. Watch an ep. of that show and you'll get the general idea.

[Obi-Ron]

Some director is eventually going to figure this stuff out if he bothers to crack open a comic book and see how important the Hulk character is.

I have high hopes that Whedon could be that guy. :awesome:

[Wynter]

One of my friends doesnt like the idea of hulk talking I conisder him to be in the general audience side of things. But if he does talk it should be breif and when needed and his facial reactions should carry him when words arent being used.
According to Joss, the Avengers group chemistry is going to be family-like. As such, Hulk makes the perfect child character for that family. Also, CGI Hulk would be less of a sell if, like Gollum, he was more of a character (dialogue) and less of a weapon.

[TheVileOne]

I simply think we are never going to see the Hulk talk because executives and filmmakers are too worried it would look and sound "stupid" and audiences wouldn't accep it.

Sort of like why we couldn't see sentinels in X-men. Because GIANT ROBOTS ARE STUPID! People don't want to see giant robots!

[Kirmit]

Hulk and iron man final one on one fight would be awesome .hulk fighting thor and ironman his strength un matched.it ends when hulk is finally killed.

Sounds like the worst possible ending to me.

[terry78]

Sounds like the worst possible ending to me.

The very first post by him should have tipped you off.

[Wynter]

I simply think we are never going to see the Hulk talk because executives and filmmakers are too worried it would look and sound "stupid" and audiences wouldn't accept it.



If it were anyone but Whedon, I'd agree; Whedon's very good with dialogue, especially odd dialogue. I think he could pull off a character like Hulk even if he sounded silly without making the audience want to crawl under their seat with embarrassment.

[Kirmit]

The very first post by him should have tipped you off.

Oh it did but the quote I replied to was the icing on the cake.

[TheVileOne]

Like it or not Whedon is still a hired gun. If they want him to change or keep out certain thing will.

Whedon is not the one funding the picture.

Movystar, don't be a moron. I was expressing the viewpoint that studio executives believed before Transformers came out and made billions of dollars.

[gkokujin]

"bah, Hulk does not want stupid fish to eat! Hulk wants good food ... like beans!"

[terry78]

It was fine if he didn't talk in his own movie, because we see him dealing with stuff from his pov. But here he's not the only heavy hitter star, so just being mute and growling and grunting ain't gonna cut it. When he finally gets to a semi-calm state, Stark and the rest are gonna try and talk to him at some point so he needs to say something.

[Spider-Vader]

Ferigno is voicing Hulk again, so if Hulk talks it'll be in third person.

I can't see Ferigno voicing a smart Hulk.

[kedrell]

From what I have seen of the micro episodes of the new Avengers cartoon, Hulk there seems to be alternating between 1st person and 3rd person speech, depending on his agitation level. I think it works pretty good and reminds me(in personality) greatly of the gravage Hulk(who I consider to be in most personality ways a throwback to the Hulk as first conceived in issue #1 in 1962). Hopefully the movie Hulk in the Avengers is similar.

[jadejaws]

Ferigno is voicing Hulk again, so if Hulk talks it'll be in third person.

I can't see Ferigno voicing a smart Hulk.

I like Lou as much as the next Hulk fan, but I personally find it hard to believe that he's confirmed for the movie considering he hasn't spoken to the director yet. Lou has been saying that he's going to be involved with Avengers since 08. Sadly, I think he's the only one who thinks so at this point.

I certainly hope he is though.

[jadejaws]

From what I have seen of the micro episodes of the new Avengers cartoon, Hulk there seems to be alternating between 1st person and 3rd person speech, depending on his agitation level. I think it works pretty good and reminds me(in personality) greatly of the gravage Hulk(who I consider to be in most personality ways a throwback to the Hulk as first conceived in issue #1 in 1962). Hopefully the movie Hulk in the Avengers is similar.

From what I've seen of the cartoon he's *almost* bordering on too smart for my tastes....but I guess we'll see how everything unfolds as the series gets going.

[ArtTeacher]

Ferigno is voicing Hulk again, so if Hulk talks it'll be in third person.

I can't see Ferigno voicing a smart Hulk.

The 2008 movie Hulk said, "Leave me alone."
That's not third person and it was Ferrigno.
Ferrigno has voiced smart characters before, I don't see why he would be incapable of voicing a smart Hulk...I just hope & pray we don't get "smart" Hulk (meaning Professor Hulk or Merged, etc.).

[kedrell]

When I think "smart Hulk", I immediately start thinking of Hulk issue #1. That's the kinda smart Hulk I can get behind.

[kedrell]

From what I've seen of the cartoon he's *almost* bordering on too smart for my tastes....but I guess we'll see how everything unfolds as the series gets going.

To me, too smart is when he starts talking like Bruce. Being a gruff bruiser type though IMO is totally in line with the character. I've seen all the Hulk micro episodes and he clearly goes back & forth in his speech patterns, depending on how angry he is. More angry = more devolved 3rd person speech & vice versa. But there even at his smartest/calmest he still just talks like a bruiser and not Bruce. I think it works well.

[Spider-Vader]

I like Lou as much as the next Hulk fan, but I personally find it hard to believe that he's confirmed for the movie considering he hasn't spoken to the director yet. Lou has been saying that he's going to be involved with Avengers since 08. Sadly, I think he's the only one who thinks so at this point.

I certainly hope he is though.

Who else would they get? The guy who's voicing him in the games & cartoons now?

[jadejaws]

Who else would they get? The guy who's voicing him in the games & cartoons now?

It's possible....

[Norm3]

Hulk needs to talk. It will let him be more human & not ape like. Plus if Loki controls his brain then they could have Loki talk through the Hulk.

[Danalys]

I'd like to see him slowly grow to talking more, but they can't just flip a switch and have him talk more with no explanation. i could see him becoming more talkative through interactions with rick jones.

[SuperFerret]

Spontaneous human combustion. There is no other reasonable answer.

[TheVileOne]

I'd like to see him slowly grow to talking more, but they can't just flip a switch and have him talk more with no explanation. i could see him becoming more talkative through interactions with rick jones.
The new animated Avengers series establishes that they are two separate personalities and Banner has stopped trying to get rid of his Hulk side and accepts it and can submit control over to the Hulk.

[Gamma Goliath]

I love the way they are portraying hulk and banner in the new animated avengers. Hulk is intelligent and banner isn't trying to get rid of him. And the split personalities are very apparent and work very well. Hope this how hulk is portrayed in the avengers and any other hulk sequels we may have in the future.

[Khemik@L]

Yea I love the new Cartoon can't wait to see tonight's episode. Hulk vs Everyone!!! "No One Controls The HULK!!!"

[kedrell]

^Except the Enchantress. ;)

[jadejaws]

I love the way they are portraying hulk and banner in the new animated avengers. Hulk is intelligent and banner isn't trying to get rid of him. And the split personalities are very apparent and work very well. Hope this how hulk is portrayed in the avengers and any other hulk sequels we may have in the future.

But that takes out part of the dynamic. Banner and Hulk are supposed to HATE each other. The true Hulk isn't supposed to be willing to negotiate with "puny Banner". While I do enjoy the show, they're missing some key elements of the Hulk's history/persona. In my opinion, this Hulk is bordering on being almost too intelligent...

[Gamma Goliath]

I think there are pros and cons to the hulk hating banner concept, while in the new cartoon hulk hates banner but banner sees the hulk as helpful, I think we see a lot of hulks hate just because of the fact that he doesn't want banner to have his time out.
As far as the hulk being too intelligent, I know a more Intelligent and vocal hulk is what everyone's been waiting to see, it makes him more interesting and gives him more depth imo.

[Gamma Goliath]

double

[Son of Coul]

I just read a section of The Ultimates in a bookstore and as long as they don't have Hulk say anything like that, I'm okay. I'm not a critical person at all, but I was pretty shocked how bad most of the dialogue was, especially Hulk's.

[Gamma Goliath]

The ultimates are pure garbage.

[Son of Coul]

Yeah I see that now. I heard the characterizations left something to be desired, but goddamn. The only thing that concerns me now is the quote on the back from Joss Whedon saying how good it is. But it seemed like he was phoning it in a little, so who knows?

[TikkiEXX]

i dig Ultimate Hulk. hes a bit of an a hole but whos not in the Ultimate U? lol. but as ive said before im an Ultimate U. fan thru and thru. its what got me interested in the 616 Avengers. i guess it depends on how big of a fan you are of the 616 characters. i only read Xmen before so i wasnt too familiar with the regular Marvel guys.

[jadejaws]

I think there are pros and cons to the hulk hating banner concept, while in the new cartoon hulk hates banner but banner sees the hulk as helpful, I think we see a lot of hulks hate just because of the fact that he doesn't want banner to have his time out.
I know a more Intelligent and vocal hulk is what everyone's been waiting to see, it makes him more interesting and gives him more depth imo.

While he did ask to be the Hulk permanently, he takes too much of what Banner says into consideration. Especially last night when he gave Banner props for this recognition as a monter. That's just not the character I know.

As far as "what everyone's been waiting for"....well, that's not necessarily correct. A more vocal Hulk is one thing, but a more intelligent Hulk is definitely NOT something I've been craving. It depends on what people view as "more intelligent". The classic Savage Hulk was not stupid and spoke all the time. He just referred to himself in the third person and had a hard time recollecting things and people. We may have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Danalys]

The new animated Avengers series establishes that they are two separate personalities and Banner has stopped trying to get rid of his Hulk side and accepts it and can submit control over to the Hulk.

well i haven't seen the new show, but when i think of the Hulk i think of a character who is less talkative the more angry he is. that would be the classic hulk. films don't allow as much opportunity for a post anger hulk, certainly not one that has spent much time with anyone. in TIH banner likens it to an acid trip where he cannot focus or be rational. the implication being that his innate goodness still is a factor. that if you put the hulk in a situation he'll do the right thing, but all of banners socialisation and learning is falling by the wayside. this is much like many film versions of tarzan, and that they share the third person references is telling.

[Doc Samson]

Something from another post that kind of relates to this:

More importantly though, I think the events of TIH, combined with the prospect of Hulk-as-villain in the beginning of the movie could open the door for the Gray Hulk, or at the very least a more intelligent Green Hulk.

The antidote not only seemed to let Banner control the Hulk at the end, but also appeared to make him weaker initially in the fight with the Abomination. Not only did it take him longer to change during freefall, there were a few instances (especially after the helicopter crashed) where the Hulk simply looked like he didn't want to fight. He also learned to speak a bit better during this final sequence. I think it's an opportune time to introduce a Hulk who, while maybe a bit weaker, is more intelligent and conniving. Not the cannibalistic psycho-rapist of the Ultimates, but a creature more sinister in the beginning who becomes a good guy again by the end.

[Galactus123]

Hulk shouldn't be talking in movies. It feels stupid. I like it in comics but it doesn't work in movies. Hulk needs to be convincing, not laughable. It didn't work in The Incredible Hulk.

[marcvader]

So you'd like a mute Hulk then. He barely spoke in TIH.

[Galactus123]

So you'd like a mute Hulk then. He barely spoke in TIH.
Not completely mute. He could still roar. Hulk in TIH would have been perfect without speaking.

[Obi-Ron]

:facepalm:

[terry78]

The entire concept of the character is that he hates people thinking he's a mindless monster, and just constantly roaring and walking around sulking won't exactly do that. He often goes the savage route out of spite whenever someone treats him like ****, but that should be the extent.

[Galactus123]

The entire concept of the character is that he hates people thinking he's a mindless monster, and just constantly roaring and walking around sulking won't exactly do that. He often goes the savage route out of spite whenever someone treats him like ****, but that should be the extent.
It worked in Ang Lee's Hulk.

[Doc Samson]

It worked in Ang Lee's Hulk.

Precisely, which is why the Gray Hulk is needed. I don't think anyone wants a full movie of the Savage third person talking Hulk, but the intelligent & cunning Gray Hulk would surely not be comical at all. Quite frightening in fact

[kedrell]

It worked in Ang Lee's Hulk.


I don't think anything really worked in that ****-turd of a film. Most heartbreaking experience of my cinema-going life...by far.

A Hulk who doesn't speak and is thus merely an effect rather than a character is most definitely not a Hulk I ever want to see in a movie.

[Khemik@L]

:facepalm:

Facepalm supported :doh:

[Khemik@L]

:facepalm:

Facepalm supported :doh:

[Dark Raven]

Precisely, which is why the Gray Hulk is needed. I don't think anyone wants a full movie of the Savage third person talking Hulk, but the intelligent & cunning Gray Hulk would surely not be comical at all. Quite frightening in fact

I do. That's the Hulk I want to see on the silver screen who is a character unto himself.

[jadejaws]

Precisely, which is why the Gray Hulk is needed. I don't think anyone wants a full movie of the Savage third person talking Hulk, but the intelligent & cunning Gray Hulk would surely not be comical at all. Quite frightening in fact

I literally tensed up when I read this......SAVAGE HULK IS THE HULK. What the he11 has this world come to.

I feel like Randall in Clerks 2 when he hears people refer to "The Trilogy" as being Lord of the Rings.

[Doc Samson]

I do. That's the Hulk I want to see on the silver screen who is a character unto himself.

Lol, I'm a die hard to the core, but I doubt even I could stomach that for a full movie

I literally tensed up when I read this......SAVAGE HULK IS THE HULK. What the he11 has this world come to.

I feel like Randall in Clerks 2 when he hears people refer to "The Trilogy" as being Lord of the Rings.

No, he's one version of the Hulk :woot:. He wasn't originally conceived that way, so to be technical, the Gray Hulk is the Hulk.

That being said, the Savage Hulk is the most popular iteration of course, and this is why I we got two motion pictures of him already, along with a TV show that while deviating from the strength, kept the intellect level close enough to the Savage Hulk.

The Hulk is presumably under control now, given the ending of TIH. The whole basis of the physical incarnation of the Hulk is Banner's inner demons and turmoil, in all of their forms, which explains the different appearances throughout the years.

The Savage Hulk just represents one side, the infantile, simple gratification recesses of the young Bruce Banner's repressed rage. With the Hulk under his control, I don't see why another version of this repressed personality, the mischievous, cunning & self centered Gray Hulk, shouldn't emerge.

[kedrell]

The Savage Hulk is but one incarnation of the Hulk(and not even the original one at that) and also is the most difficult to portray in live action as a speaking, somewhat intelligent character without it seeming utterly retarded. IMO, the only way to show THAT Hulk is to first show the progression from the original TO that other state over time(idealy, over the course of several movies...so you know I mean SLOWLY). Which is also as it happens exactly how it came to be in the comics.

[Doc Samson]

The Savage Hulk is but one incarnation of the Hulk(and not even the original one at that) and also is the most difficult to portray in live action as a speaking, somewhat intelligent character without it seeming utterly retarded. IMO, the only way to show THAT Hulk is to first show the progression from the original TO that other state over time(idealy, over the course of several movies...so you know I mean SLOWLY). Which is also as it happens exactly how it came to be in the comics.
http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif Precisely

[terry78]

If they want to go that route, then just have him be savage at the start when they're attempting to keep him under their control, then over time as he starts to interact with each of them on a more casual level, have him at the end of the film start acting more intelligent, to the shock of the characters.

[jadejaws]

Lol, I'm a die hard to the core, but I doubt even I could stomach that for a full movie



No, he's one version of the Hulk :woot:. He wasn't originally conceived that way, so to be technical, the Gray Hulk is the Hulk.

That being said, the Savage Hulk is the most popular iteration of course, and this is why I we got two motion pictures of him already, along with a TV show that while deviating from the strength, kept the intellect level close enough to the Savage Hulk.

The Hulk is presumably under control now, given the ending of TIH. The whole basis of the physical incarnation of the Hulk is Banner's inner demons and turmoil, in all of their forms, which explains the different appearances throughout the years.

The Savage Hulk just represents one side, the infantile, simple gratification recesses of the young Bruce Banner's repressed rage. With the Hulk under his control, I don't see why another version of this repressed personality, the mischievous, cunning & self centered Gray Hulk, shouldn't emerge.

LOL...yeah...the gray Hulk was indeed the first run. It also lasted 6 issues and was shelved. Then the classic/iconic version came and brought the character to prominence. Lasting how many years? This led to toys, cartoons, etc....but you touched on this in your post. I'm not saying the Gray Hulk doesn't have his place with others...he just doesn't with me.

And as far as Savage Hulk sounding "retarded"...well that's one opinion and a completely short sighted one at that....I suggest you go pick up the newest Hulk essentials book. With a writer who knows what he's doing, the Savage Hulk comes across as anything but retarded.

[Doc Samson]

LOL...yeah...the gray Hulk was indeed the first run. It also lasted 6 issues and was shelved. Then the classic/iconic version came and brought the character to prominence. Lasting how many years? This led to toys, cartoons, etc....but you touched on this in your post. I'm not saying the Gray Hulk doesn't have his place with others...he just doesn't with me.

And as far as Savage Hulk sounding "retarded"...well that's one opinion and a completely short sighted one at that....I suggest you go pick up the newest Hulk essentials book. With a writer who knows what he's doing, the Savage Hulk comes across as anything but retarded.

I'm not trying to disrespect you at all, but I've grown up reading the Hulk and have seen numerous writers handle that particular incarnation, I don't suppose I need to read anything to get a grasp on him. The Hulk is many things to many people, me personally, I like the Savage Hulk just as much as the Gray Hulk. I really don't care for the Professor, and I could go on and on. Point being, IMO, it would be an opportune time to introduce a different side to the character.

I never said the Savage Hulk was retarded, I said that I personally couldn't stomach it for a full movie if he were to speak with the frequency he does in the comics with that tone. I also think it's short-sighted of you to discard a huge portion of the characters history. Also, if we're being technical, even after the color change to green, the Hulk retained his initial level of intelligence for quite some time thereafter. To take it even further, the TV show is what brought the character to prominence to the average joe, the Hulk would be nowhere near the level of popularity he is now without it, regardless of how much of a bastardized version it might have been.

We got him saying Hulk Smash, Leave me Alone, Puny Human. We got him fighting the military and desiring to be left alone. We got it. At what time do you try something else? For years people thought a serious Batman wouldn't work too, because all they were exposed to was Adam West in live action. Turns out, sometimes, change is good.

[kedrell]

I've always said Hulk & Batman have shared a similar road to popularity with all the pitfalls that it entails(basically, each having 2 distinct fanbases..TV & comics) and that those 2 different fanbases that each have have proven to be very troublesome in making movies that are good.

[jadejaws]

I never said the Savage Hulk was retarded, I said that I personally couldn't stomach it for a full movie if he were to speak with the frequency he does in the comics with that tone. I also think it's short-sighted of you to discard a huge portion of the characters history. Also, if we're being technical, even after the color change to green, the Hulk retained his initial level of intelligence for quite some time thereafter. To take it even further, the TV show is what brought the character to prominence to the average joe, the Hulk would be nowhere near the level of popularity he is now without it, regardless of how much of a bastardized version it might have been.

No, you didn't say he was retarded. Another poster used that term.

Green or Grey doesn't really matter in the beginning...his dialogue was that of the Grey Hulk in the first 6 issues. We could go into printer inconsistencies, but then we'd have a debate about whether the Hulk would have ever been green at all. I don't feel like going there.

Yes, the TV show did bring the Hulk out to the average Joe....but what version/time period got the character to that point of popularity to be considered for prime time. The popularity of the Savage Hulk's monthly title was the reason a show got launched.

I disregard the Grey Hulk because it's just not the true Hulk to me. Is that short sighted? Perhaps, but you also said you have no use for the Professor. At least we both agree on that one

We got him saying Hulk Smash, Leave me Alone, Puny Human. We got him fighting the military and desiring to be left alone. We got it. At what time do you try something else? For years people thought a serious Batman wouldn't work too, because all they were exposed to was Adam West in live action. Turns out, sometimes, change is good.

Well, they are trying something else...see the new Avengers Cartoon. That's probably as far as they're going to take it for now.
I'm starting to think that the reason for the new TV show (rumors) is to re-establish the character to people who don't understand all the different incarnations.

[jadejaws]

I've always said Hulk & Batman have shared a similar road to popularity with all the pitfalls that it entails(basically, each having 2 distinct fanbases..TV & comics) and that those 2 different fanbases that each have have proven to be very troublesome in making movies that are good.

I strongly agree with that....

[Doc Samson]

I disregard the Grey Hulk because it's just not the true Hulk to me. Is that short sighted? Perhaps, but you also said you have no use for the Professor. At least we both agree on that one

I can respect your opinion, it just seemed that initially you were flabbergasted that someone would even consider any other incarnation for The Avengers. To me, at some point, I feel like we have to explore different avenues. I'm not naive enough to think directors can keep using the Savage Hulk without making it stale. They already had to retreat to elements of the TV show for TIH.


Well, they are trying something else...see the new Avengers Cartoon. That's probably as far as they're going to take it for now.
I'm starting to think that the reason for the new TV show (rumors) is to re-establish the character to people who don't understand all the different incarnations.

I've seen the cartoon for the first time just this past weekend...and I don't know what to think of that yet. The dynamic between Banner and the Hulk are the most interesting parts, at least to me. To have Banner somewhat accept the Hulk renders some of the psychological aspects of the character obsolete.

I do agree with the new TV show however. I don't think it will be anything at all like the previous one, partially because of the limitations of the 70's, but also because I feel as you do. It gives more time to tell the story properly, and give insight to who the Hulk really is.

[kedrell]

With regards to the Avengers cartoon out now, I think the truce between Bruce & the Hulk is merely a temporary one.

[jadejaws]

it just seemed that initially you were flabbergasted that someone would even consider any other incarnation for The Avengers.

That's a correct assessment. I'm pretty one dimensional in my Hulk tastes as far as movies go.

[Doc Samson]

With regards to the Avengers cartoon out now, I think the truce between Bruce & the Hulk is merely a temporary one.

Well, I hope so

[ArtTeacher]

Most heartbreaking experience of my cinema-going life...by far.

I agree 100%. You worded this perfectly.

I feel like Randall in Clerks 2 when he hears people refer to "The Trilogy" as being Lord of the Rings.

LOL!!!!!! Preach on, Brother!!!!!!!

[wobbly]

LOL...yeah...the gray Hulk was indeed the first run. It also lasted 6 issues and was shelved. Then the classic/iconic version came and brought the character to prominence. Lasting how many years? This led to toys, cartoons, etc....but you touched on this in your post. I'm not saying the Gray Hulk doesn't have his place with others...he just doesn't with me.

And as far as Savage Hulk sounding "retarded"...well that's one opinion and a completely short sighted one at that....I suggest you go pick up the newest Hulk essentials book. With a writer who knows what he's doing, the Savage Hulk comes across as anything but retarded.

It's a bit of a mistake to assume the gray Hulk persona just left after that short first run. That persona stuck around more or less the same (not quite so nasty tho') into 'Tales to Astonish' then over a couple of issues around the mid to late 60's (without explanation I think) the 3rd person speech started taking over, rather than being a more occasional reference.

Even after that the speech was still inconsistent from writer to writer and it wasn't really until he took that title over in the late 60's that the 'Savage Hulk' which would become the most memorable stuck.

That stayed until he was rendered mindless in the mid 80's, then the gray Hulk was brought back a little later on for a few years. This was followed by the Professor in the early 90's who had good run as well, and since then his personality has been a bit all over the place. Currently he has the 'Planet Hulk' persona, which is basically a more noble version of the gray Hulk one.

So in around 48 years of history, the savage Hulk was the norm for less than half of that.

Having said all that though the 'Hulk Smash' one is easily the most familiar to the public, even though I would not mind seeing a 'Planet hulk' type one in Avengers.

[Gamma Goliath]

Planet hulk style hulk would be fantastic in avengers.

[terry78]

Whedon has made otherworldly or supernatural creatures speak in the king's english before without it coming off goofy, so I think he may go ahead and have Hulk just go ahead and be coherent.

[StanLee Wannabe]

This needs to be somewhere between Savage Hulk and Grey Hulk - i.e. speaking but not totally infantile. The Disney XD Hulk...is about right.

[Gamma Ra]

Hulk shouldn't be talking in movies. It feels stupid. I like it in comics but it doesn't work in movies. Hulk needs to be convincing, not laughable. It didn't work in The Incredible Hulk.

Can you please explain your statement?

[Gamma Ra]

This needs to be somewhere between Savage Hulk and Grey Hulk - i.e. speaking but not totally infantile. The Disney XD Hulk...is about right.

What you are describing is the Hulk that is being written in the comic book now. Fans call him Gravage unofficially, officially he is nick named Green Scar. He posses element of both the versions you've mentioned.

[Gamma Ra]

From what I have seen of the micro episodes of the new Avengers cartoon, Hulk there seems to be alternating between 1st person and 3rd person speech, depending on his agitation level. I think it works pretty good and reminds me(in personality) greatly of the gravage Hulk(who I consider to be in most personality ways a throwback to the Hulk as first conceived in issue #1 in 1962). Hopefully the movie Hulk in the Avengers is similar.


This is the way Stan Lee wrote Hulk in most of the Tales To Astonish issues. I like the idea that as Hulk gets angrier, his speech becomes more 3rd personish.

[LOBO3315a]

If they want to go that route, then just have him be savage at the start when they're attempting to keep him under their control, then over time as he starts to interact with each of them on a more casual level, have him at the end of the film start acting more intelligent, to the shock of the characters.

That would be a great way to handle all aspects of the character! Make him more like Savage at the start, but by the end of the movie more like Professor, telling Tony that his 'toys' have structural flaws, and demonstrating it, by crushing one of the older suits!

Also having him become more like Savage when he's in action with less dialogue, and more roars, rather than "Hulk Smash!" every other phrase. Hearing that once, and maybe one refrence to "Puny humans" would be enough.

[Golgo-13]

I don't want Hulk under any type of mind control. Savage Hulk is Hulk. He should talk like he did in the cartoons; he should hate Banner, and have the intelligence of a child.

For god sake don't have him cracking jokes, or quoting Shakespeare, Darwin or Einstein. :o

[kedrell]

I agree about mind-control. Manipulation, however...is another thing entirely.

[Son of Coul]

I don't want Hulk under any type of mind control. Savage Hulk is Hulk. He should talk like he did in the cartoons; he should hate Banner, and have the intelligence of a child.

For god sake don't have him cracking jokes, or quoting Shakespeare, Darwin or Einstein. :o
:up:

[jadejaws]

I don't want Hulk under any type of mind control. Savage Hulk is Hulk. He should talk like he did in the cartoons; he should hate Banner, and have the intelligence of a child.

For god sake don't have him cracking jokes, or quoting Shakespeare, Darwin or Einstein. :o

This

[Golgo-13]

I cringe at the thought of him saying something like "my bad".