Should the film be overstylized?

[Man of Tomorrow]

One of the things I was looking forward to with Nolan involved was a 'grounded' take on an unrealistic character, with cinematography akin to "The Dark Knight" and "Inception" ... giving us that real world feel.

Making us believe Superman exists in the real world.


Snyder is notorious for stylized comicbook pieces (300, Watchmen, Suckerpunch), should Superman be handled the same way?


I'm hoping it isn't as I'd rather see Batman, Green Lantern and Superman filmed in similar styles.

[Blackman]

no...

[hopefuldreamer]

I hope not... but it's like the more i hear, the more i want to curl up in a ball and cry :(

[Gianakin_]

Closer to Inception and farther from Watchmen and 300 would be fine, in terms of image. I was never a fan of over-stylization.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Question is, is Snyder even capable of the type of direction seen in Inception?

I'm skeptical, because his prior work says otherwise.

[BH/HHH]

Question is, is Snyder even capable of the type of direction seen in Inception?

I'm skeptical, because his prior work says otherwise.

Nice avatar ;)

I think Snyder will make this film more comic booky than Nolans films.

[Rust]

Not too stylized, except maybe for potential flashbacks.

I say go for a real look, but tweak it somewhat like 70's movies soft-filter. It should still have a slightly otherworldy look.

Not as "real" as Nolan's Batmen, but not as "fake" as Watchmen.

Maybe ala Spielberg's latest slightly desaturated movies like Minority Report and War Of The Worlds. They also have a bit of soft-filter going.

http://www.wallpaper-desktop.net/wallpapers/movie/minority_report/minority_report_010.jpg

http://fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca/files/2009/10/war-of-the-worlds3.jpg

[Alientraveller]

I think Nolan wants Superman to as different from his Batman films as possible.

[Project862006]

watchmen was'nt too over stylized

this is a guy who can fly and i am sure we will see some space stuff it needs some style

dont try to ground supes

[JBElliott]

I vote against overstylizing the film, not that it matters.

[JP]

NO. And I had this argument with friends last night and none of them understood what I meant. :(

[C. Lee]

Question is, is Snyder even capable of the type of direction seen in Inception?

I'm skeptical, because his prior work says otherwise.

I don't remember DAWN OF THE DEAD being overstylized.

[BH/HHH]

I don't remember DAWN OF THE DEAD being overstylized.

:up: good point

[Man of Tomorrow]

True. I was thinking comicbook adaptions exclusively.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't want it to be overstylized but I damn sure don't want it too look like Superman Returns, Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.

[Alientraveller]

Maybe ala Spielberg's latest slightly desaturated movies like Minority Report and War Of The Worlds. They also have a bit of soft-filter going.


As a huge Spielberg fan I dislike this idea: Janusz Kaminski (Steven's camera man since Schindler's List) does that because these are very dark films. I'd rather something more like Catch Me if You Can, The Terminal and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull because those are light films.

Frankly like most Hollywood movies today scenes will be either blue or orange. It's a look consistent in all of Larry Fong's films for Zack - 300, Watchmen and Sucker Punch.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd like for the movie to look like Star Trek minus the lense flares ofcourse.

[The Sage]

I'd like a happy medium. A world that resembles our own but is obviously fantastical.

[Happy Jack]

Closer to Inception and farther from Watchmen and 300 would be fine, in terms of image. I was never a fan of over-stylization.
I definitely do not want it to look like Watchmen or 300, or Sucker Punch for that matter. It just screams immaturity to me.

[Project862006]

^ lol no it screams sci fi/fantasy

[JP]

I don't want it to be overstylized but I damn sure don't want it too look like Superman Returns, Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.
All three films are gorgeous, though. :huh:

[Deaths Head II]

I love Nolan's style, but it's Nolan's style. I don't want this to look like Watchmen and obviously not like 300, but it will probably look different then Nolan's approach. I'll be interested to what he actually does do with the visual style though.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

All three films are gorgeous, though. :huh:I'd like a more fantasy based film. I honestly don't think that either of them looked gorgeous. They looked nice but thats it.

[Paul-el]

What about a goldish hue ala SWORDFISH?

[Alientraveller]

I'd like for the movie to look like Star Trek minus the lense flares ofcourse.

That'd be great colour wise, Star Trek had lighting ranging beyond blue and orange into red, white and green.

I definitely do not want it to look like Watchmen or 300, or Sucker Punch for that matter. It just screams immaturity to me.

I'm unsure about what was so immature about Watchmen's sombre palette. Of course it shouldn't look too much like 300 or Sucker Punch, as those films really take place in the mind of their narrators. Then again, those jumps that looked very unrealistic in Watchmen would make sense with Superman and Zod.

^ lol no it screams sci fi/fantasy

God forbid a fantasy or sci-film about Superman!

[Project862006]

I'd like a more fantasy based film. I honestly don't think that either of them looked gorgeous. They looked nice but thats it.
This we dont need a grounded in reality Superman that is exactly what Returns was

Superman is fantasy treat him as such

just dont over stylize it

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This we dont need a grounded in reality Sherman that is exactly what Returns was

Superman is fantasy treat it as suchExactly. That doesn't mean that the villian should be toned down or that the movie shouldn't be smart but I don't want that uber semi-realistic look for a Superman movie. Thats one of the things I hated about the brown looking Superman Returns.

[Project862006]

wait and see what green lantern looks like would be a good judge how to do it imo

[I SEE SPIDEY]

wait and see what green lantern looks like would be a good judge how to do it imoThats a good idea.

[maenalus]

No to over-stylization.

[djkris]

I think, first and foremost, the movie should not look fake. No obvious green screen stuff. You can tell that this is the case in Miller/Rodriguez "Sin City", "300" and even "Sucker Punch", but it WORKS. I just don't think the same technique could work for Superman.

Nolan's movies on the other hand look real. Even Inception was, in my words, the most realistic unreal movie. But the color palette in most of his movies is bleak. Cold. Anti-Supermanish.

"Dawn of the Dead" and "Watchmen" were good in their style. Now, I know that slow-mo is to Snyder what explosions are to Michael Bay, but I am sure Nolan can convince him to keep it to a minimum. Still, "Superman Returns" and even "Inception" had many slow-mo sequences. So, they need to find a middle ground, which I am optimistic, they will.

[Visceral]

Snyder is notorious for stylized comicbook pieces (300, Watchmen, Suckerpunch), should Superman be handled the same way?


Hells to the yeah!


take a little snyder and add a little superman for all seasons/rocwellian atmosphere and I'm in the seat.

[KaptainKrypton]

I think the color scheme should be realistic and natural. While I did enjoy some of the relaxed tones and the 1940's feel of Returns with the classic, historical, live-in feel of ...after further review I guess I always liked the realistic but larger-than-life feel of Donner's New York version of Metropolis accompanied with Geoffrey Unsworth's style of photography. It just seemed like a real place you could visit, and that subconsciously helped me get into the story more, I guess. I think for the sake of consistency, I'd just like Snyder to stay in keeping with the sharpness and visual clarity he showed in Dawn of the Dead with a mix of colors and just make sure that Superman's costume pops in comparison. I'm going to post more later...but my wife is mocking me again.:whatever:

[daywalker2007]

I doubt they can top the look of the original Superman fortress of solitude when Superman first takes off. if they can match that money shot, then they will have achieved something.

For some strange reason, the original Superman felt grounded in reality, yet still managed to bring us fantasy and meld together perfectly.

Superman Returns didn't have that feeling.

I guess its down to the actors too. Reeve made Superman believable like no one before.

I would hate to see Snyder bastardize Superman into some ass hole with tight rubber fetish.

lets wait and see.

[Visceral]

maybe there be a good slomo sex scene guys! you know because snyder always does exactly the same thing in each movie:woot:

[bunk]

What about a goldish hue ala SWORDFISH?

That's one of the worst looking movies of all time. Snyder already works with a quality cinematographer who will hopefully be on board.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

maybe there be a good slomo sex scene guys! you know because snyder always does exactly the same thing in each movie:woot::awesome:

[Sawyer]

Was there a slow mo owl sex scene in Legends of the Guardians?


I'll be slightly disappointed if the answer is no. :o

[bunk]

Was there a slow mo owl sex scene in Legends of the Guardians?


I'll be slightly disappointed if the answer is no. :o

There's an unwritten rule in Hollywood that no film maker can have more than one owl related sex scene in their career. Snyder has already maxed out.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There's an unwritten rule in Hollywood that no film maker can have more than one owl related sex scene in their career. Snyder has already maxed out.:funny:

[LightningFlash]

Question is, is Snyder even capable of the type of direction seen in Inception?

I'm skeptical, because his prior work says otherwise.

Dawn of the Dead wasn't over stylized, and 300 and Watchmen were only stylized that way because it fits on what they looked on page, plus Sucker Punch was just Snyder's own vision. Superman, if anything, will have a bright aspect and very opposite to Nolan's dark look on his Batman franchise.

[HighFivingMF]

Nothing should be overanything.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would be fine with the look of Dawn of the Dead.

[Sawyer]

I didn't find anything wrong with the look of Watchmen...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I didn't either, I really liked the way it looked but I'd perfer something different for Superman.

[Project862006]

yeah it had they gritty taxi driver look to it's city and environments and worked for the story

[Superman Prime]

Overstylized action is the ideal path. As far as the filters go, most colors need to be rich and vibrant. We need to see a larger-than-life Superman world.

[storyteller]

I want the Watchman style of stylization. Unless Superman takes place off planet, I think Snyder has less reason to create stylized locations. But then damn, I've seen new york and chicago locations. Metropolis should look majestic and I just don't think a place like that actually exists. But yeah less 300 and more Watchman.

[terry78]

So you want Metropolis to look more like a real city, or more of a combination of art/deco and futurama?

[LuisTX85]

I think, first and foremost, the movie should not look fake. No obvious green screen stuff. You can tell that this is the case in Miller/Rodriguez "Sin City", "300" and even "Sucker Punch", but it WORKS. I just don't think the same technique could work for Superman.

Nolan's movies on the other hand look real. Even Inception was, in my words, the most realistic unreal movie. But the color palette in most of his movies is bleak. Cold. Anti-Supermanish.

"Dawn of the Dead" and "Watchmen" were good in their style. Now, I know that slow-mo is to Snyder what explosions are to Michael Bay, but I am sure Nolan can convince him to keep it to a minimum. Still, "Superman Returns" and even "Inception" had many slow-mo sequences. So, they need to find a middle ground, which I am optimistic, they will.

I agree with everything you said 100%!.

[ClarkLuther55]

Slow motion should be reserved for a few key moments. Superman is not about acting "cool," posing, or dancing through highly-choreographed sequences.

In general, I think action is better when you keep it in real time, with semi "realistic" and hard hitting fights. Avoid the outright chaos of the fights in Nolan's Batman movies, but emulate their feel (the same feel that was used in the Bourne movies, as well as Daniel Craig's James Bond).

[Hole Shot]

I'm fairly confident this movie is going to be shot in 3D. And don't mean the after the fact half ass conversion trend everyone jumped on this year after Avatar. I think it will be shot with the intention of it primarily being seen in 3D, like Avatar.

[Kurosawa]

I imagine so. I hope the colors are brighter and the cinematography is cleaner than Snyder's usual fare.

[Project862006]

yeah it wont be post if they do it at all zach had the chance to do post for sucker punch but he said no as he was not convinced post has worked well.

said he did'nt want to ruin his movie with crappy 3D

[Slugster]

Maybe SLOW MO A SUPER PUNCH where Superman does a Superman punch and have it like be like a sonic explosion where airwave ripple in and KAAAA POWWWW!!!!!

[Excelsior.]

You people forget Batman Begins looks quite stylized.

http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/471_1.jpg (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=814&position=1)


Its TDK that looks realistic.

http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/760_1.jpg (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=743&position=1)



http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/760_7.jpg (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=743&position=7)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't want either of their looks. Sorry.

[Gianakin_]

You people forget Batman Begins looks quite stylized.

But not over-stylized. And, tbh, besides the NArrows, there wasn't too much stylization. You took a close shot from BB and compared it to 2 wide ones from TDK. BB had shots that had a "realistically" (hate to use that word) shot Gotham.

[youkaisama]

Somewhere around Superman Returns would be nice. Stylized. But not over. Or Changeling. Or Catch me If you can.
Yes. I love art deco style.
and Snyder can direct non-overstylized shots I think. If you watch the trailer of Sucker Punch, the non-dream sequence looks quite good.

[obin_gam]

I want it to look like Kingdom Come :)

[Rust]

I liked the colorschemes and style in the new Star Wars-prequels (and nothing else) and wouldn't mind seeing Metropolis like Coruscant.

http://theoldrepublic.com.ua/wp-content/gallery/coruscant/coruscant2.jpg


And add a little:

http://taylorempireairways.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/blade_runner.jpg


Would also like to see a slightly futuristic Metropolis, but NOT a dystopian one. Like mentioned the generel look should be bright and also crystal clear.

[Paul-el]

I think someone suggested Star Trek -- that look/cinematography would be just fine.

[Happy Jack]

But not over-stylized. And, tbh, besides the NArrows, there wasn't too much stylization. You took a close shot from BB and compared it to 2 wide ones from TDK. BB had shots that had a "realistically" (hate to use that word) shot Gotham.
Indeed. I could pull out any number of shots from TDK showcasing how "unrealistic" it was and vice-versa with Begins (and yes, that's a pretty bad term to describe Nolan's films).

[bulletbillx]

I'd like it to be insanely epic and stylized at least during the action scenes. I'm talking world of cardboard supes or Gurren Laggan levels of hot blooded stylized intensity.

[Marvin]

Question is, is Snyder even capable of the type of direction seen in Inception?

I'm skeptical, because his prior work says otherwise.

capable?
you people do know that these directors don't actually handle the photography they just dictate it.

all snyder literally has to say to his obviously skilled dp is make it look like such and such and it will happen, it's as simple as that(for the most part).
and for the record, the previous looks of snyders films have been very much warranted by the source material. (a freaking frank miller book for goodnessake).

here's Snyder doing that oh so sought after less than stylized look.
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[Visceral]

stylize it superman style

[Octoberist]

You people forget Batman Begins looks quite stylized.

Its TDK that looks realistic.



Why did you pick Hong Kong for Dark Knight as an example?

[Octoberist]

I think Synder has great 'money shots' for his movies but sometimes it's a little distracting. He's like the opposite of Tony Scott: his films are obnoxiously frantic where as Synder's style is obnoxiously lucid.

But look at David Fincher: His films are stylised without being contrived. So I think Synder needs to calm down on the slow-mo but I agree that Metropolis should be more 'future' like. The city of tomorrow.

[Marvin]

I think Synder has great 'money shots' for his movies but sometimes it's a little distracting. He's like the opposite of Tony Scott: his films are obnoxiously frantic where as Synder's style is obnoxiously lucid.

But look at David Fincher: His films are stylised without being contrived. So I think Synder needs to calm down on the slow-mo but I agree that Metropolis should be more 'future' like. The city of tomorrow.

you must be referring to the two films snyder made that were adaptations of stylized graphic novels.

if you look at his whole body of work you'll notice his style varies to suit the mateiral. It's like judging the filmmakers of sin city for being over stylized. Snyder isn't stuck in his style.

we'll have to wait and see I suppose.

[obin_gam]

you must be referring to the two films snyder made that were adaptations of stylized graphic novels.

if you look at his whole body of work you'll notice his style varies to suit the mateiral. It's like judging the filmmakers of sin city for being over stylized. Snyder isn't stuck in his style.

we'll have to wait and see I suppose.
excactly, he'll make the Superman movie look the way which is best suited for the story and character.

for some reason i do believe it will be bright and colorful... not totally unlike but maybe similar to sort of Star Trek

[scifiwolf]

Stylized, yes. Overstylized, no. Over- anything is too much.

[Slugster]

agreed Superman could look awesome done with a little effect and feel

[hatebox]

By defintion 'overstylised' would be too much?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Uggh I can't see the action scenes in the Transformers movies.

[TheVileOne]

LOL what?

I was bored by the end of Transformers 2. All the explosions and actions just made me so numb that I got tired of it.

I honestly thought the action in Dark Knight was perfect for that movie. They did a better job of shooting Batman fighting as well.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

IMHO the only good action scenes from a Nolan movie are from the movie in my sig.

Comparing Nolan to Bay in anyway is just ridiculous though. Bay best movie is Nolan's worst film.

[Gianakin_]

Dark knight had a great story but when it came to action and stunts it was lame.No one does action like Michael bay.

Thankfully.

[Excelsior.]

Dark knight had a great story but when it came to action and stunts it was lame.No one does action like Michael bay.



Flipping an 18 wheeler, jumping from the biggest skyscraper in Hong Kong, and destroying a full scale buiding is lame?

[Timstuff]

Flipping an 18 wheeler, jumping from the biggest skyscraper in Hong Kong, and destroying a full scale buiding is lame?

:awesome::up:

[dark_b]

wasnt the jump a CGI shot?

the truck stunt was huge and amazing. its not crazy to ask the city to make it. its crazy from the city to allow it .

[TheVileOne]

I honestly say **** the action in Transformers 2. I couldn't ****ing stomach it by the end.

Take for example the Twins fighting Devastator. It was totally ****ing pointless. They nearly get eaten and apparently beat up Devastator but none of the damage done to Devastator seems to really matter. And the Twins are really nowhere else to be found after that. They could've been cut from the movie. They were useless pointless characters and their action and fight scenes were useless as well.

[Gianakin_]

I honestly say **** the action in Transformers 2. I couldn't ****ing stomach it by the end.

Take for example the Twins fighting Devastator. It was totally ****ing pointless. They nearly get eaten and apparently beat up Devastator but none of the damage done to Devastator seems to really matter. And the Twins are really nowhere else to be found after that. They could've been cut from the movie. They were useless pointless characters and their action and fight scenes were useless as well.

TF is a useless franchise led by a useless (formerly decent) director, so what did you expect?

[KalMart]

TF is a useless franchise led by a useless (formerly decent) director, so what did you expect?

For it to make a lot of useless money. Who knew? :O

[Gianakin_]

For it to make a lot of useless money. Who knew? :O

That is so beside the point.

[KaptainKrypton]

I liked the colorschemes and style in the new Star Wars-prequels (and nothing else) and wouldn't mind seeing Metropolis like Coruscant.

And add a little:


Would also like to see a slightly futuristic Metropolis, but NOT a dystopian one. Like mentioned the generel look should be bright and also crystal clear.
You might be onto something here. Kind of like the design on Superman: The Animated series. Metropolis definitely looked like a city of the future. I think the forward-thinking designs of Coruscant mixed with a little bit of the "used future" of Blade Runner to make it seem a tad more realistic. Either that, or just go film in New York or Sydney.

[mcallima]

Should it be overstylized? No. Should it be stylized? Most definitely.