How should Superman fight?

[SatEL]

In the new film we know he will be doing a lot more than just lifting things so the question is how would you like a Superman fight to be interpreted on film?

Me personally I would like it to be quick and brutal, two power houses going at it. When Superman smashes into a foe with Super strength I want that blow to impact the environment around them. I want Superman to also utilise his speed and other abilities in combat, any anime and manga fan surely remembers Dragonball and how fights were depicted on the anime. How the fights were fast to the point of both fighters could not be seen by people below their level, that’s the kind of thing I would like. For instance I would like Superman to be fighting a Superpowered foe and Lois to be watching or trying to watch but she cant follow the fight all she can hear is the sound from the fight and see the impact it is having around her.

[Hound55]

Raw singular power blows, look competely untrained (yet have a raw deliberate efficiency to his technique, because he's never had to know how to fight with efficiency due to possessing boundless power). Single shots without a thought for maintaining balance for a second shot.

Uses powers he has at his disposal, rather than your typical combat style. i.e. Fly into spear tackle. Relies more on speed and reaction for combination attacks (when they occur) rather than an efficent fighting style which would lead to natural combinations.

[Kurosawa]

Superman is actually extremely good with his powers, and his fighting style when done right continues this theme. When he gets a chance to actually cut loose, he tends to favor moves that take advantage of his tremendous strength and he uses his speed for defensive purposes. He should fight more like a brawler than a martial artist because more than anything else he has incredible power.

[Project862006]

should he fight like Thor Hemsworth said Thor fights like Mike Tyson

[Paul-el]

I want to see a mixture of everything -- raw power, haymakers, super-speed punches and of course his ability to catch Zod's (or whoever's) punches and crush their fists, single-handedly. When he lets loose, the audience should be ready to crap themselves.

[dark_b]

no martial arts.no matrix fighting style.

[Rust]

Well, aside from the martial arts-stuff, Matrix has some VERY Superman'esque aerial fights imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBMuZ3OMDLA&feature=related


Definitely prefer Smith's brawling style here.

[DorkyFresh]

i'd love to see him use his heat vision quite a bit (not just once or twice) and while i think he should throw mostly punches, i also think he should throw kicks as well. Superman is supposed to be an advanced alien who can learn quickly, so this means he could probably watch a school of martial artists for a night, learn half of their techniques just by watching them then master them within the week without even using his super strength. i'd like to see him stick with the more powerhouse type moves, but i also wouldn't mind seeing him go Dragon Ball Z on someone as well.

[BH/HHH]

I want to see a mixture of everything -- raw power, haymakers, super-speed punches and of course his ability to catch Zod's (or whoever's) punches and crush their fists, single-handedly. When he lets loose, the audience should be ready to crap themselves.

:up:

[Stringer]

Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM

Or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7jH8iVYUk&feature=related

[Kurosawa]

i'd love to see him use his heat vision quite a bit (not just once or twice) and while i think he should throw mostly punches, i also think he should throw kicks as well. Superman is supposed to be an advanced alien who can learn quickly, so this means he could probably watch a school of martial artists for a night, learn half of their techniques just by watching them then master them within the week without even using his super strength. i'd like to see him stick with the more powerhouse type moves, but i also wouldn't mind seeing him go Dragon Ball Z on someone as well.

This is true. Superman can learn things in seconds.

[Daybreak_st]

Whatever they do please avoid the "one-punch wonder" that Smallville employs. I realize it's because of Budget but just having one guy punch the other guy a long distance then repeat it over and over again isn't very interesting. A mix of greco-roman wrestling it supes is fighting something larger than him, like something the size of the hulk. Quick movements, lots of counters. Nothing martial artsy but intricate. Watch the Doc Ock and Spidey fight in slow motion and you'll realize how detailed the fight was. That's the level of detail i'd like.

Sure you'll get the big punches and throws but not on every blow. He should change techniques depending on who or what's he's up against. Example, fighting a Transform-sized robot, he'd use speed, heat vision, freeze breadth, punches etc. However fighting someone his size with his powers would be different than fighting someone like the Hulk/Abomination or someone with a different powerset. That's something i hope they explorre in the film. Putting him up against various threats with different powersets and seeing him adapt and use his powers intelligently/inventively to defeat a wide variety of threats. That to me is far more interesting than just seeing him brawl with someone who shares his powers.

[Superman2007]

Does Superman kick? Or is just punches and headlocks?

[Daybreak_st]

IJE2SY-kNJUI want to see something like this:

[Paul-el]

Absolutely. Part of his technique should be trying to outsmart the villain with his next counter-move. Not too many one punch power blows, but it would be sick if the villain was super-speeding at him and Supes used his micro-vision to ensure people are far enough away from the city and then stop Zod in his tracks with a blow to the head that's so powerful it literally shakes the buildings all around him and shatters windows from the force it gives off... sort of like a sonic boom from the impact.

[Paul-el]

Does Superman kick? Or is just punches and headlocks?

I think he can and should do anything he needs to, given the situation. He crushed Brainiac's skull at the end of WHTTMOT by stepping on it.

[SuperFerret]

He should move to disarm and capture normal people when he fights them and brawls when he fights opponents of equal power.

This is true. Superman can learn things in seconds.

:csad:

[DorkyFresh]

Superman threw a kick in Superman 2. albiet, not a very convincing one....he thew one. i don't see why he shouldn't kick. in a desperate time when he NEEDS to use everything in his arsenal he should kick, headbutt, elbow, knee....whatever he needs to do to keep Metropolis safe.

for the lesser opponents, he should stick with the punches...but for the more complicated and challenging enemies, he should break everything out and show that he's more than just a brawler. it seems they're trying to make Superman more dimensional so that should include his fighting arsenal as well...

[SuperDaniel]

The way he fought in Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse was just amazing. I want to see that in a movie. I think the TAS/ JL cartoons showed that perfectly...

[Hurm...]

The way he fought in Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse was just amazing. I want to see that in a movie. I think the TAS/ JL cartoons showed that perfectly...
Agreed. And I believe with Snyder's style it would look even more epic. I personally believe Snyder was made for this movie.

[GhostPoet]

Like in the comics and in the animated series.
Lots of powerful blows and lots of flying through the air and smashing the baddie multiple times before they hit the ground.

[Eze]

The way he fought in Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse was just amazing. I want to see that in a movie. I think the TAS/ JL cartoons showed that perfectly...

For letting loose, that was an amazing sequence. I'd like to see him let loose against Zod or w/e the big boss is, like that. The rest of the time, I'd like Superman to be methodical and precise with his powers (ala Sherlock Holmes), exercising restraint and compassion against normal human criminals, less so for murderers/super-powered henchmen.

Superman doesn't suffer from small dog syndrome, he doesn't have anything to prove and he isn't motivated by anger. His response should be proportional to the evil he confronts.

When he does let loose, punches, throws, heat vision and high speed flying tackles. Grappling is ok, but no kicking. Karate kicks from Superman doesn't seem right.

[Superman Prime]

I want to see the scary side of Superman during combat.

[Paul-el]

Location-wise, I think a battle on the Kent farm is long overdo for film. Clark could be visiting his folks when he's surprised by Zod or whoever.

[Superman Prime]

^ You know, I live in Kansas. Yesterday I was driving past countless desolate fields. I looked out my window and thought the exact same thing. "There's a lot of space out here for Superman and a villain to duke it out."

[Octoberist]

laser farts.

[That person]

When he's fighting normal criminals, he should be very intimidating, but restrained and careful to induce no lasting harm:
http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/birthright-human-03.jpg
http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/birthright-human-04.jpg
When he's fighting the big bad, all hell should break lose:
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[afan]

i'd love to see him use his heat vision quite a bit (not just once or twice) and while i think he should throw mostly punches, i also think he should throw kicks as well. Superman is supposed to be an advanced alien who can learn quickly, so this means he could probably watch a school of martial artists for a night, learn half of their techniques just by watching them then master them within the week without even using his super strength. i'd like to see him stick with the more powerhouse type moves, but i also wouldn't mind seeing him go Dragon Ball Z on someone as well.

This is one element of Superman that seems to have been largely forgotten. Kryptonians had developed to the point of perfection in mind and body. Even without the effect of the yellow sun Kal-el/Clark is superior to any inhabitant of Earth both physically and mentally.

I agree with every point you make about the fighting style of Superman, but re. heat vision...I to would love to see him use it more often and in coordination with his other powers......however....it would need to be restricted to non-living opponents, i.e. robots, weapons, hardware etc.. Superman would never use it on anyone that it would harm, and for those that it would not harm, it becomes useless.

[terry78]

The heat vision he saves for those enemies that are just as powerful as him, even if they are alive.

[Daybreak_st]

Ok so this is pretty cool, starts off slow but turns out really interesting:

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[afan]

^ Nice find! Needs a better sound track tho.

[TheWatcher]

That ending gave me chills. Seriously,that was awesome.

[sf2]

I want to see the scary side of Superman during combat.


me too!!!

i wanna see superman is horrified seeing the awful destruction he has done after the combat.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman killed by chains, hanged? How stupid is that? meh to that trailer...

[Astrodust]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX6Fa_bVCro&feature=player_embedded

Superman killed by chains, hanged? How stupid is that? meh to that trailer...

I thought that trailer was pretty awesome considering there wasn't much to work with from the scenes in SR. I enjoyed that more than the actual movie.

[GinsterHead]

A moment like this would please me to no end...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FPAetrvLhD4/THpiyHZFiQI/AAAAAAAABfk/0V9O_R4rOkI/s1600/img015.jpg

:awesome:

[Knight121198]

I think Jor-El should train Superman in some kind of Kryptonion form of mixed martial arts just incase oh i dont know, someone takes his powers away he can at least fight.

[Dark Raven]

Superman should fight like David Carradine as Kwai Chang Caine!!! :woot:

He should even say "Yah!" when trying to do a (very low) kick.

[sf2]

I think Jor-El should train Superman in some kind of Kryptonion form of mixed martial arts just incase oh i dont know, someone takes his powers away he can at least fight.

one without martial art skill can't fight???? what kinda logic???

[Bad Superman]

Superman's fighting skills should be : Punches, kicks (a la soccer or football. no fancy stuff), spear tackle (like Hound 55 wrote), grappling, slams and throws. Let's not forget a healthy mix of heat vision and/or superbreath.

I see Superman as a combination of a brawler/streetfighter/wrestler.

[terry78]

Just use the Bruce Timm version as a reference. It's not really all that fancy, he just lands massive blows when he can and avoids getting hit when he can.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok so this is pretty cool, starts off slow but turns out really interesting:

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I have to say, that was frigging brilliant, I honestly got chills watching and as an SR lover it was great to see those scene's integrated.

[Ultraman Nexus]

In terms of his physical combat style I wouldn't want him to fight like a martial artist but I do imagine a kind of like old-school fisticuffs combined with a solid knowledge of blocks and holds. I would say Superman's not really the type to use kicks a lot.

With his powers, he's usually trying to not do a lot of physical harm to the opponent if it can be helped, otherwise he'd just be burning everybody down with heat-vision. I will say though that various arguements for other characters being able to beat him usually come out of people conveniently forgetting that he has super-speed and flight which can be used at the same time. ..and that's before you even get into heat-vision.

A major aspect to be looked at is that Superman is going to be first and foremost interested in saving lives. If a fight starts in the street, he's gonna be doing everything he can to get it the hell out of there. Not to say you can't do a big city fight but again for Superman saving a life is always going to be the greater priority than beating the opponent.

So it's kind of like you have to find a balance between this awesome fighter and a guy who thinks like a rescue worker.

[GhostPoet]

They should just take a look at Justice League Unlimited for examples of how Superman should fight.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I'd like to see Superman go all out on the villain like he did on Mongul in the Alan Moore story. One word says it all, "Burn."

[Doc Samson]

There should definitely be a higher degree of physicality in the depiction of his powers but this once again goes back to the villain, it has to be somebody that can stand up to that.

I loved the scenes in the Matrix where Neo really let loose, like when he's racing to save Trinity. He was blowing windows out, flipping cars, like a huge sonic boom. When he and Agent Smith mixed it up, it was epic, especially when they crashed to the ground and created a huge crater that reverberated and shattered all the buildings. Things on that scale is what we need, or at least I do :cwink:

[griffolyon12]

In the new film we know he will be doing a lot more than just lifting things so the question is how would you like a Superman fight to be interpreted on film?

Me personally I would like it to be quick and brutal, two power houses going at it. When Superman smashes into a foe with Super strength I want that blow to impact the environment around them. I want Superman to also utilise his speed and other abilities in combat, any anime and manga fan surely remembers Dragonball and how fights were depicted on the anime. How the fights were fast to the point of both fighters could not be seen by people below their level, that’s the kind of thing I would like. For instance I would like Superman to be fighting a Superpowered foe and Lois to be watching or trying to watch but she cant follow the fight all she can hear is the sound from the fight and see the impact it is having around her.

I would very much like to see the fighting faster than presented in say "Superman II" or even "Smallville". They always represent the blows Superman delivers to other, equally powerful foes as these great punches that knock them through walls. In my opinion, if two equally powered beings are fighting, then their blows will effect one another as a punch from one human will effect another human. We don't fly through walls when punched by someone of equal strength, so why should Superman? Superman and his foes already have these great, amazing abilities, so they'll be flying, grappling onto one another and ramming through walls. Still will be brutal and wreak havoc on the environment, but will be faster, like you mentioned about "Dragonball Z", which with Snyder's great prowess as to when to stylistically speed up or slow down action, this might actually happen.

I also agree with someone else's idea that when Superman fights, he isn't like Batman and is a trained martial artist, so I think his fighting would lack technical form. I always imagine the fights like a high school boy getting in a fight with the bully in the hallway. Superman does his best swinging his fists and tries to use his brain and the environment to win the fight.

[Knight121198]

I would very much like to see the fighting faster than presented in say "Superman II" or even "Smallville". They always represent the blows Superman delivers to other, equally powerful foes as these great punches that knock them through walls. In my opinion, if two equally powered beings are fighting, then their blows will effect one another as a punch from one human will effect another human. We don't fly through walls when punched by someone of equal strength, so why should Superman? Superman and his foes already have these great, amazing abilities, so they'll be flying, grappling onto one another and ramming through walls. Still will be brutal and wreak havoc on the environment, but will be faster, like you mentioned about "Dragonball Z", which with Snyder's great prowess as to when to stylistically speed up or slow down action, this might actually happen.

I also agree with someone else's idea that when Superman fights, he isn't like Batman and is a trained martial artist, so I think his fighting would lack technical form. I always imagine the fights like a high school boy getting in a fight with the bully in the hallway. Superman does his best swinging his fists and tries to use his brain and the environment to win the fight.

Id have to disagree about the being punched then flying bit, its simple physics really an example would be that Superman weighs about 225 lbs right? even if his skin is like titanium it has no weight to it so if i were to hit him let say with the force of a mack truck going 100 kph do u think hes not gonna go flying? of course he will just like an opponent will when he hits them, unless they weigh about oh i dont know 100 tons or so they aint gonna be standing in one spot for 2 long. Now i said mixed martial arts, a kick every now and again and a good dodge/counter isent something thats way to far fetched is it ?

[djkris]

Watching this "Superman VS Darkseid" video, I am now sure that Snyder will have at least one punch filmed in slo-mo, , just for the impact of it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Watching this "Superman VS Darkseid" video, I am now sure that Snyder will have at least one punch filmed in slo-mo, , just for the impact of it.

Personally I think with the nature of his powers and how powerful he is, Superman as a character lends himself to slo-mo on film, I actually EXPECT there to be plenty of slo-mo scene's during the action.

[SatEL]

Personally I think with the nature of his powers and how powerful he is, Superman as a character lends himself to slo-mo on film, I actually EXPECT there to be plenty of slo-mo scene's during the action.


Bullet time has become overused and boring, I would live an inventive way for Supes to be shown throwing down.

[Zack Snyder]

I think Superman should have a general punching style for most of his villains. However I would like Kryptonian specific moves, that tie in with his flight/heat/freeze breath abilities for more of the outlander villains (Darkseid for example).

It would be interesting if he would freeze a villain, then uppercut. Or if he would whip around him in a circle, the force of his flight knocking the villain off balance. Stuff like that would work in combination forms.

[Ultraman Nexus]

I agree about the combo thing. Most x-character can beat up Superman justifications basically depend on him using one power at a time.

[Zack Snyder]

I agree about the combo thing. Most x-character can beat up Superman justifications basically depend on him using one power at a time.

Superman: Next Level :D

[FVD]

I wouldn't want to see Superman using Martial Arts period! That honour oughta be saved for Batman! :)

The STAS and JL(U) are perfect references for Supes to engage in combat with a little DBZ thrown in for good measure. I too think he oughta be more of the brawling type. I'd love to see some super piledriver like move coming down like a bullet from kingdom come! :D

[Asgard]

They need to show Superman drop kicking someone. Like fly down at a 20 degree angle and plant his boot in someone's face.

[The Question]

He's incredibly powerful and has pretty much no formal combat training, at least until he joins the League and meets up with suoer powered trained fighters like J'onn and Diana, and that's usually a very dangerous combination. So I would imagine that his fighting style would be very, very defensive, capitalizing on his speed and ability to take a hit, unless it was against someone who he simply had to unload on. That is, if he's aiming to not kill anybody.

[batman44]

I see Superman as a brawler. Maybe using a mix of boxing and wrestling like moves.

[X Knight]

Superman should fight using arial kung fu, and he should carry a blaststaff cuz that's part of his Kryptonian heritage........and............oh...........wait.. ..........

[KaptainKrypton]

This is actually an extremely interesting question. I don't want Superman to fight like a completely trained martial artist. I would like to see something creative and swiftly brutal that is unique like the Keysi Fighting Method scenes were for Nolan's Batfilms. The method of combat for superhumans is going to be different from two regular dudes just duking it out. Chiefly, this is due to the weapons at their disposal. I'd like to see some of the ferocity seen in the second Terminator film when the Terminators first lock horns in the mall. Jockeying for position mixed with tests of strength and a creative use of environment with some raw combat displayed that really demonstrates why these guys are bad mothers and why these guys are physically in another league from guys like Spider-Man and Batman.

There was a faint glimmer of what I mean in Superman IV during the lunar battle. Superman threw a muay-thai knee strike from the plum that didn't seem forced, but rather a natural defense against a guy who really needed a manicure.

It doesn't need to be overly stylized like Watchmen or Matrix or whatever. Rather, I'd like something visceral like in the Bourne films. Without blatant overkill, I'd love to see things sped up at points to demonstrate what the look of a true superhuman battle displays at full speed (think of The Flash doing work on a heavy bag, except that it hits back). I mean, think about it. If you have two superhumans fighting at full blast while trading shots, it's going to sound like the loudest machine war you've EVER imagined.

Also, the sound needs to be amped up to display the intense volume of the hits. If the hits sound anything near a realistic human fight, they get an F-grade from me. I want my comic book onomatopoeia really displayed for once. It's why I enjoy the fights in Superman II to this very day. Every punch sounded ten times harder than anything in a real fight. I don't want another Matrix replay. I want the best comic-book battles we've never seen on screen before.

I also agree with one of the earlier posters about staying away from the "one-punch" nonsense. I want to see those big hits, for sure. On the other hand, I'd like to see what it's like when two godlike bulls rumble in the proverbial China shop.

[terry78]

He basically should not fight like Batman. Bats' entire thing is that his moves are like a waltz almost in the way he's trained. Superman grew up in Kansas as a regular joe, and he would fight like a regular joe, until he pretty much learns from the ground up how to attack and counter.

[Asgard]

How hair pulling and windmill punches with eye closed tight?

[Denny67]

They should just take a look at Justice League Unlimited for examples of how Superman should fight.

^

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[Eze]

I see Superman as a brawler. Maybe using a mix of boxing and wrestling like moves.

Me too.

[FVD]

I'd like to see a few one punch maneuvers thrown in at random but I also don't want to see a flurry of quick punches/kicks like seeing Goku fighting Frieza for example. Would love to see a helluva lot of grapple attacks and city damage would be catastrophic too. I'm sure the wow factor would go into overdrive in so long as it don't look too fake either!!!

[Daybreak_st]

Just watched the new Superman/Captain Marvel animated film. They both go toe to toe with Black Adam. That fight should be referenced for how Superman fights in the new film, very dynamic. They actually have Black Adam throwing a few kicks in there and it looks good so if Superman did that and it looked as good i wouldn't complain.

[JBElliott]

no martial arts.no matrix fighting style.

Ditto. Superman isn't about precision or timing or that kind of thing. Superman is about force and power. That said, he shouldn't be brutal, at least not until he's really pressed. There's got the be some sense of restraint to illustrate just how powerful he is and just how good a hero he is.

[Thundercrack85]

It would depend on his backstory, how old he is and who he is fighting. Some incarnations of Superman / Clark are quite worldly, so it wouldn't be very surprising if he picked up some martial arts by the time he's a reporter in Metropolis.

This does raise some interesting questions though. Especially if he were to take on other Kryptonians. Zod being a career soldier would presumably be well trained in hand to hand combat.

[daywalker2007]

superman doesn't really need any fighting style.

he will look awesome doing any sort of simply punch to the face or chest and the other guy flying back into a building.

no need for any martial arts.
i want to see flying punches, and I want to see superman take off from a start position and then fly into someone, much like how he does in Superman 3, the junkyard battle.

just watch the junkyard battle to see how you can film a fight.

[Jochimus]

Personally I'd probably handle it like he's never had to fight in his life - unwieldly and inexperienced at first, but gradually getting the hang of it. It'd help to have an earlier scene of Clark or Superman at the Ace O'Clubs and have one of Bibbo's old fights playing on the tube, then later on when it comes down to the climactic bare-knuckles super-brawling, he makes like Bibbo with the entire city getting ringside seats. Y'know, the old "set it up/pay it off" bit.

[Superman_20]

superman should fight like a gladiator, he has strength and is invulnerable so he should not fight like a martial artist, but like a street fighter, like a combination between chuck liddell punching and kimbo slice brutality and chain punching... none of that choppy one single punch, but brutal rapid-fire chain punching sort of like donnie yen in this scene but without the martial arts skill of course but aggressive and animalistic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuWmjye-LQ

and sort of like channing tatum fought in fighting

[FooYu]

Raw singular power blows, look competely untrained (yet have a raw deliberate efficiency to his technique, because he's never had to know how to fight with efficiency due to possessing boundless power). Single shots without a thought for maintaining balance for a second shot.

Uses powers he has at his disposal, rather than your typical combat style. i.e. Fly into spear tackle. Relies more on speed and reaction for combination attacks (when they occur) rather than an efficent fighting style which would lead to natural combinations.
agreed 100% He should't hven anu martial arts training because he doesnt need it.

[Superman_20]

agreed 100% He should't hven anu martial arts training because he doesnt need it.

he doesn't need it but he did not start out with any powers as a kid, so i wouldn't be opposed to that he knows some, just a little flare, but brutal, effective and fast, more like a mix of the speed of wing chun but the aggressiveness of kuntao but that it looks untrained and aggressive, like an animal but that he flows, one punch to the next, not one punch... half hour later the 2nd... etc.... etc

[GhostPoet]

Like I said...they should take a look at Justice League Unlimited...and just go with how Superman fights in that series. It really shows off all his powers.

[That-Guy]

He should fight Dolemite style.

He takes a swing at a guy and the dude get knocked out before his fist even makes contact because he's THAT awesome.

[Superman_20]

Like I said...they should take a look at Justice League Unlimited...and just go with how Superman fights in that series. It really shows off all his powers.

but definitely not choppy... it would suck to see superman throw one punch and the rest of it be all special effects, i'd like to see him fight, like with some continuity and flow, not just throw one punch... have a bunch of rocks fly around and earth shake and then he throws another one

[Kal Prime]

I think Superman should fight smoothly, as people have said before in this thread, he's not a 'trained' fighter, but in my opinion, he has plenty of experiance!! I think his attacks should flow seamlessly, between big punches, throws, heat vision, flying spears, big slams,ect... Just make it look natural, and try to actually do something to show how powerful he truly is, as he is meant to be practically a god!! I dont feel that in any of the films or tv shows that have come before he's been shown to be as strong as he actually is.

[Bren]

I dont feel that in any of the films or tv shows that have come before he's been shown to be as strong as he actually is.

Lifting a kryptonite-laced continent not strong enough for'ya? :cwink:

I just want to see Superman fight a worthy opponent without kryptonite/red sun involved, and him get reeeeeeally angry at some point.

[Kal Prime]

That bit yes!! I meant to say 'in combat'

[Tomar-Re]

The DC Universe Online trailer is a perfect example of how I'd like to see Superman use his powers. Quick, fast and brutal. The heat vision on Adam was insane!

[블라스]

Like Charles Bronson in "Hard Times".
Hard punches to body and face, some grapples and throws.

[KalMart]

I'd also like to see a long single-shot sequence where we're right along Superman in flight as he punches, pounds, eye-blasts, rips, and bursts his way through a long gauntlet of obstacles and threats. Build it up as a sort of 'rite of passage' type sequence. Kinda' like in Black Hawk Down, when the fifty-gunner goes down in the Humvee and Hoot replaces him...and the vehicle continues down that long streetway blasting away...or those Sean Merriman/Stephen Jackson NFL commercials made by Mann with the Last of the Mohicans music.

[Nightwing1983]

In the new film we know he will be doing a lot more than just lifting things so the question is how would you like a Superman fight to be interpreted on film?

Me personally I would like it to be quick and brutal, two power houses going at it. When Superman smashes into a foe with Super strength I want that blow to impact the environment around them. I want Superman to also utilise his speed and other abilities in combat, any anime and manga fan surely remembers Dragonball and how fights were depicted on the anime. How the fights were fast to the point of both fighters could not be seen by people below their level, that’s the kind of thing I would like. For instance I would like Superman to be fighting a Superpowered foe and Lois to be watching or trying to watch but she cant follow the fight all she can hear is the sound from the fight and see the impact it is having around her.

I'm kinda coming at this, from an, "eventually they'll team him up with Batman, Wonder Woman, et. al." point-of-view; but even if they don't, I think this still applies: I don't think Superman should necessarily have any "style" of fighting. In other words, he doesn't train as a fighter. After-all, he never saw himself as having to fight anyone anyway, so why should he take Karate classes or whatever?

[Kurosawa]

Another good idea is if they give Superman signature moves, which was part of why Curt Swan was so great. The double-axe handle punch, the super-throw where he would toss opponents for miles, and the soccer ball kick where Supes would basically punt opponents into space were all very cool and fitting moves. Those and the "burn" heat vision bit from Moore and Gibbons are all really awesome moves and exemplify Superman's power.

[SatEL]

Bump.

[SatEL]

Double bump. Hopefully something as intense as this minus the martial arts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVSJO8WQafE&feature=related

[Kal-El.9859]

Snyder really needs to watch the DCU Online trailer...that's how superman should be

[BH/HHH]

Something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_h9KUju4w

[DorkyFresh]

kinda like this (skip to 30 seconds for the good stuff)...

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...but only if he's fighting robots. if he's fighting living beings, then he should fight like that except without the killing.

[BH/HHH]

but definitely not choppy... it would suck to see superman throw one punch and the rest of it be all special effects, i'd like to see him fight, like with some continuity and flow, not just throw one punch... have a bunch of rocks fly around and earth shake and then he throws another one

Agreed :up:

[dude love]

Destructive brawling:

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[Kal-El.9859]

I'd love to see a lot of aerial fighting...I hope it's a villain that can fly or at the very least flying robots/androids...

[Lencho01]

As long as he doesn't look so highly trained, I'm good. I'd like him to utilize a combo of his powers.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/02/22/grant-morrison-to-hollywood-dont-make-superman-a-limp-and-wimpy-punch-bag/

Grant Morrison to Hollywood: Don’t make Superman a ‘limp and wimpy punch bag’
Feb. 22, 2011 | 10:27 a.m.


Grant Morrison can watch his version of the Man of Steel fly across the screen now with today’s home-video release of the animated “All-Star Superman,” but the acclaimed comics writer is as eager as everyone else to see what producer Christopher Nolan, director Zack Snyder and star Henry Cavill come up with as they try to get a live-action Superman film off the ground.


“I can’t wait to see what they do. There are so many ways to tell Superman stories that might resonate with a modern audience, and I’m looking forward to see how Zack Snyder approaches it. Things I’d personally like to see are a non-camp Luthor, some other villains like Metallo or Brainiac and a more vigorous, go-getting Superman. The noble attempts to portray him as a Christ-like, American redeemer figure in ‘Superman Returns’ had the unfortunate effect of making him a limp and wimpy punch bag. Superman is a highly principled hero, but he’s no pacifist; he’s a brawler who doesn’t give in until he’s dead or the bad guy’s down, and I’d like to see a bit more of that grit. “


– Geoff Boucher

[WildcatNC]

I thought his fights with Darkseid were pretty bad*** in the animated movies. The DCU trailer is great too.

I would definitely like to see him meet his match. Actually get challenged.

I would like to see some detail as well. Sonic booms when flying, shock waves when hitting things. Different levels of combustions from the heat vision, according to the material. Stuff like that.

[ohmshalone]

has Superman ever kicked anyone in his life? lol

[craigdbfan]

^

This

Here is a good one:

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Very good example.

Superman has always been more of a brawler. I don't mind if martial art elements are infused (seeing as this is a Snyder film expect there to be a lot of it) in the film just not to much.

As some have said it somewhat undermines his god like abilities. Although they should take note of offensive techniques that would look awesome though.

If Brainiac is the villain at the end then he might have to get a little more smart in counters.

But that should be the extent of the martial arts. His entire fight style shouldn't revolve around it.

[craigdbfan]

double post

[WildcatNC]

Haha. That fight reminds me of the oldschool Rampage game. They just don't eat people.

[Lencho01]

has Superman ever kicked anyone in his life? lol

In the Superman/Shazam short, he does a really quick kick to Black Adam that missed or was blocked.

[The Shield]

has Superman ever kicked anyone in his life? lol

He kicks in the second movie with Reeve and looks horrible both times. :( So much potential

[BigThor]

It would be awesome if they study issues of Superman comics & episodes of JL/JLU to come up with an ideal way for him to fight on the big screen. Like most of you here I don't want Supes to use martial arts, but I would like for him to mix punch combos with slams and a few uses "heat vision"/"super breath" when needed.

Chris Hemsworth studied Thor comics to see how Thor postures himself while executing attacks and it would be awesome if Henry Cavill did the same.

I'd like for Supes fights to have the "power" of the Hulk vs Abomination fight combined with the intricate "fast paced" style of the Spidey/ Doc Ock fight.

[Rev]

I would not expect Superman to be fighting like Bruce Lee or Jet Li in a film but at the very least, he should know some of the basics of blocking and using his opponents momentum against him especially if he is going up against someone of similar or greater power levels. He is rarely portrayed as a smart fighter and I would like to see that change or shown differently in the movie.

[DorkyFresh]

I would not expect Superman to be fighting like Bruce Lee or Jet Li in a film but at the very least, he should know some of the basics of blocking and using his opponents momentum against him especially if he is going up against someone of similar or greater power levels. He is rarely portrayed as a smart fighter and I would like to see that change or shown differently in the movie.
great post...while i agree that i don't want him fighting strictly like a martial artist, i'd even like to see Superman throw some kicks too. if Superman is fighting an opponent who is as powerful as he is, he should use whatever means necessary to take him down. if he sees an opening where a kick might do the trick, then he should use it. i just don't want him looking like he's using Tae Kwon Do.


welcome to the Hype, btw.

[sf2]

fighting while saving.

[Sentinel X]

Well he is from a small rural town in America. What would an american teenage kid watch? Wrestling. That should be his main fighting style because that's what he sees. Of course they should mix it up to make it his own but that should be his biggest influence and there should be huge differences between him and any other given Kryptonian because they were raised in completely different cultures.

[antsman41]

His left and right hook.

[Lencho01]

Well he is from a small rural town in America. What would an american teenage kid watch? Wrestling. That should be his main fighting style because that's what he sees. Of course they should mix it up to make it his own but that should be his biggest influence and there should be huge differences between him and any other given Kryptonian because they were raised in completely different cultures.

Heh...

9-oaSSUpKBo

[NotFadeAway]

Superman really shouldn't be a styled fighter. It would really make zero sense for him to be so considering that until he meets his first supervillian he has never had to be in a meaningful fight in his life.

Superman should be a tusslin farmboy. Tackles, bodyslams, choking, shoulder blocks. Squaring off with a trained fighter, a Zod, Eradicator, even Braniac considering it has probably dowloaded techniques, I imagine the whoever the villian may be hitting Supes with your typical Liam Neeson array of offensive with Superman willing his way through the beating an attacking life your typical everyday brawler of the backyard. Imagine said supervillian jabbing, jabbing, jabbing. Superman is just taking a beating, looking like Rocky Balboa in the middle of getting pummeled by Apollo Creed. Out of nowhere, Supes explodes with energy after getting rocked in the jaw, swings to the back of his opponent and hits a belly to back overhead suplex.

Thats what I picture.

[terry78]

Most people that have never taken lessons are just very sloppy when they fight. They go brutal and hard with the intent of just taking the other dude out. That should just be it. It's not gonna be a ballet like Batman, but when he comes at you, you know that **** is going to hurt.

[KaptainKrypton]

First...what to avoid. Anything Matrix-like, for starters. No stylized martial arts, either. Anything like Chan, Lee, Van Damme, Segal...get rid of it. There are some elements of Keysi Fighting Method (used for The Batfilms) that I think could work (especially some of the ground stuff). Like one earlier poster, I agree that wrestling would be a trip to put in the fight scenes. There are some particularly nasty slams that would look great on film, if done right (I'm thinking a DDT through some concrete as a warm-up). Also, Supes should be deliberate when fighting and not just some untamed brawler who fights like the local lush down at Tootie's Bar and Grill every Saturday. Finally, the use of his powers should be creative and should also be mixed in with some clever usage of the environment around him (I'm thinking makeshift weapons?).

[El Payaso]

First...what to avoid. Anything Matrix-like, for starters.

Prepare yourself for disappointment.

[Rev]

I would also like to see Superman fight multiple threats without ever having to throw a punch. For instance with his use of super speed, he should be able to create tornado force winds that should knock his adversaries for a loop. He could generate shock waves to get his adversaries attention. There are so many different methods at his disposal.

[KaptainKrypton]

Prepare yourself for disappointment.
Come, on Payaso! I'm a Superman fan. We're always prepared for that. I'm race ready for a letdown, yo.

[manofsteel4life]

i know this may sound silly, but i always thought it would be cool if when Supes is fighting, he gets knocked down, and gets back up like a vampire would....hopefully not as slow, but you get my point?

[superkong 500]

This is how I want superman to fight in the movie. Specialy if he kicks I want the kicks to be like in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kusA6kY8_vw

[JBElliott]

There should be a lot of kung fu type stuff with wire work like in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

[Lencho01]

This is how I want superman to fight in the movie. Specialy if he kicks I want the kicks to be like in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kusA6kY8_vw

You don't have to put the whole link. Just what comes after "v=." Like so...

kusA6kY8_vw

Here's another fight I liked from Smallville back when someone knew that just because these guys are super strong, they don't have to be sent flying for miles after being punched...

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[Pink Ranger]

I would also like to see Superman fight multiple threats without ever having to throw a punch. For instance with his use of super speed, he should be able to create tornado force winds that should knock his adversaries for a loop. He could generate shock waves to get his adversaries attention. There are so many different methods at his disposal.

He should steal a move from Ben Grimm and do the "thunderclap." Since there's never going to be a good FF movie, let's see that done here.

[GhostPoet]

Just watch the Justice League Unlimited for how Superman SHOULD fight.

[Lencho01]

He should steal a move from Ben Grimm and do the "thunderclap." Since there's never going to be a good FF movie, let's see that done here.

If I remember correctly, he did that in STAS and told Lois to cover her ears when he had to put out a fire.

[Dark Knight]

I think Superman should fight smoothly, as people have said before in this thread, he's not a 'trained' fighter, but in my opinion, he has plenty of experiance!! I think his attacks should flow seamlessly, between big punches, throws, heat vision, flying spears, big slams,ect... Just make it look natural, and try to actually do something to show how powerful he truly is, as he is meant to be practically a god!! I dont feel that in any of the films or tv shows that have come before he's been shown to be as strong as he actually is.



Exactly! Plus Supes has studied all forms of fighting most likely without needing to be actually trained in those disciplines.

Whatever it takes for him to win, is the way he should fight.

I can see him fighting much like how Ozymandias did in Watchmen, but with more power and force.

Superman is after all faster than a speeding bullet and Ozy was supposed to be pretty damn fast in Watchmen.

[BH/HHH]

Just watch the Justice League Unlimited for how Superman SHOULD fight.

Definitely his fighst against Mongul, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to name a few were LEGEN... wait for it................................. DARY :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VPOP7huew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_h9KUju4w

Also the way he fights in Superman Batman Public Enemies is awesome

[Pink Ranger]

If I remember correctly, he did that in STAS and told Lois to cover her ears when he had to put out a fire.

I vaguely remember that. But I want to see it in live action, with a ripple effect taking apart enemy tanks, etc.!

[BH/HHH]

I vaguely remember that. But I want to see it in live action, with a ripple effect taking apart enemy tanks, etc.!

yeah that was an epic scene I actually think it was in a scene with Lana. I think it was in the episode Where theres Smoke

[JBElliott]

Superman should fight like an NFL offensive linemen would fight (he should have a similar build too, minus the big guts, but with the size and bulk as Tim Sale drew him in Superman for All Seasons), with a lot of power and strength, but not so much grace. Who needs grace when you're super strong?

[Asgard]

He oughta kick balls.

Its dirty but that stuff gets the job done quick.

[KrypJonian]

Definitely his fighst against Mongul, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to name a few were LEGEN... wait for it................................. DARY :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VPOP7huew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_h9KUju4w

Also the way he fights in Superman Batman Public Enemies is awesome

I watched his fight with Mongul recently, and dug the hell out of it!

I see him as a mix of the brute force of the Hulk, with some of the skill of Batman...

Definitely a destroyer when he has to be, but a skilled combatant when there's someone at his power level... But not so much that he'd mop the floor with them

[Lighthouse]

I love the way he fights in the Fleischer cartoons. The fact that he struggles only makes it look more amazing when he succeeds.

[KrypJonian]

I love the way he fights in the Fleischer cartoons. The fact that he struggles only makes it look more amazing when he succeeds.

True story... But that's taking him down a few more pegs, power wise, than even STAS.

Though seeing his plane landing in "Japoteurs" made an impact on me as a kid...

[KrypJonian]

Wait, now that I think about it, STAS was pretty close to Fleischer in terms of power...

Interesting...

[db85usa]

He needs to fight like Steven Seagal anything else is unacceptable IMO.

[craigdbfan]

Fleischer toons are still amazing to this day. The animation is masterful and still better than most of the stuff thats being chucked at kids these days at least in terms of detail and movement.

Really a shame what's happened to most animation.

[KrypJonian]

Fleischer toons are still amazing to this day. The animation is masterful and still better than most of the stuff thats being chucked at kids these days at least in terms of detail and movement.

Really a shame what's happened to most animation.

Agreed!

Try studying animation in college... Fleischer is that much more of a lost art, you'll never see it again...

Though that Disney guy that did that fan animation himself is nothing short of brilliant...

[BH/HHH]

Fleischer toons are still amazing to this day. The animation is masterful and still better than most of the stuff thats being chucked at kids these days at least in terms of detail and movement.

Really a shame what's happened to most animation.

They're incredible still to this day :up:

[Superman Prime]

Fleischer toons are still amazing to this day. The animation is masterful and still better than most of the stuff thats being chucked at kids these days at least in terms of detail and movement.

Really a shame what's happened to most animation.

Unless you're using crappy Adult Swim toons as your main point of reference, modern animation is progressing wonderfully. :dry:

[Lencho01]

I vaguely remember that. But I want to see it in live action, with a ripple effect taking apart enemy tanks, etc.!

That wouls be pretty cool to see.

[BH/HHH]

Unless you're using crappy Adult Swim toons as your main point of reference, modern animation is progressing wonderfully. :dry:

I'd agree with that I dont watch alot of it but anime is pretty stunning and if anyones watched the new Young Justice show the animation in that is brilliant

Also another great example of a Superman fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kTMv8STYNE

[SatEL]

Looks like Henry Cavill is not only lifting weights but learning how to fight as well. I wonder what style Superman will be using in the film.http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=21045

[PIBagent]

Personally I see Superman as more of a well rounded mixed martial artist. Wich is propably what Henry Cavill will be learning from Damon Caro anyway.

[spideydave]

I know this has probably been posted but he should fight like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

[PIBagent]

After re-readind several of my comics I learned that Ted Grant (The superhero Wildct) Taught superman how to box! So personally id like to see Superman use boxing and wrestling moves along with his powers!

[craigdbfan]

Unless you're using crappy Adult Swim toons as your main point of reference, modern animation is progressing wonderfully. :dry:

Adult Swim plays FMA: Brotherhood and Bleach (when playing the cannon episodes) by the way which has incredible animation although I never was really referring to the Japanese but American animation.

I guess I should be more specific and say that a large number of American toons have slipped from what they used to be although there are exceptions of course. BTAS, Young Justice, DC animated, SSM, Avatar: The Last Airbender.

I was sort of bathing in hyperbole as there are still really good American animators its just that we need more toons like the ones mentioned and less Johnny Test type of garbage.

[Mace Bloodstone]

like a :ninja:!!

[PIBagent]

After looking up Damon Caro i havent been able to pin point his martial arts style. Im certain that what ever his fighting style is he'll train Cavill and his opponent in it.

There is also the possibility that they will create a unique fighting style for Superman as The Keysi fighting method was created for Batman. After all there are two Kryptonian martial arts, The lethal Horu Kanu (wich is akin to aikido) and The passive Klurkor (wich is akin to Judo). Im sure either styles can applied in a non "matrix" fashion!

[Mace Bloodstone]

He oughta kick balls.

Its dirty but that stuff gets the job done quick.

:awesome: :up:

[Rodrigo90]

He should fight like a (Super)man.

[The Shield]

Fleischer toons are still amazing to this day. The animation is masterful and still better than most of the stuff thats being chucked at kids these days at least in terms of detail and movement.

Really a shame what's happened to most animation.

I say that all the time. Fleischer is still putting lazy animators to shame. Sure they save time with there methods but they're sacrificing quality

[Superman_20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LELD2bYkwNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2-ZDFdjDY

a combination of the 2
the speed of the 2nd with the moves of the first video since he wouldnt be trained in wing chun

[PIBagent]

Id love to see superman learn a martial arts style, not just wrestling or boxing considering he's taking on heavy hitters such as Darksied or Brainiac or General Zod himself!

Superman needs to lean how to fight and just use his powers and not just hope the villian falls ass backwards on his on sword like the used to on smallville!

[Kal-El.9859]

he should fight like a bat out of hell

[Shabadoo]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/Joe-el_2006/like-a-boss.jpg


Or, with his fists.
:oldrazz:

[manofsteel4life]

I wanna see him fighting off the enemy while hes saving a building from collapsing

[Kal-El.9859]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g28/Joe-el_2006/like-a-boss.jpg


Or, with his fists.
:oldrazz:

with his fist and heat vision the **** out of someone! and please no LASER vision...red beams do not look like heat

[PIBagent]

Hmm how about "Pankration" Its a anciet mixed martial art that combine boxing and wrestling! Since its obvious Clark/Superman wont being all "Neo, I know Kung Fu" on us he can us this style in tandem with his powers to take on the likes of General Zod!

[Shabadoo]

with his fist and heat vision the **** out of someone! and please no LASER vision...red beams do not look like heat

Yeah, I liked the Smallville and SR heat vision. Seeing the rippling of the air was pretty badass.

[Kal-El.9859]

I do think Smallville and Superman Returns got the heat vision down right but soooooo many people were complaining about it because red beams didn't shoot from his eyes

[Shabadoo]

I do think Smallville and Superman Returns got the heat vision down right but soooooo many people were complaining about it because red beams didn't shoot from his eyes

:doh: :facepalm:

[Kal-El.9859]

Red beams is not heat people!!!!!

[SuperAl]

Red beams is not heat people!!!!!

what do you want it to look like?

[Kal-El.9859]

similar to like it did in Smallville and Superman Returns...like when you see heat off a stove or the road in the middle of summer

[Lead Cenobite]

with his fist and heat vision the **** out of someone! and please no LASER vision...red beams do not look like heat

Heat vision doesn't have to be pure heat. It wasn't originally, was it? It was a by-product of x-ray vision. Superman can shoot lasers out of his eyes and produce heat that way.

[Kal-El.9859]

I still prefer it too look like actual heat

[X-Nemesis]

I just want to actually see supes throw ONE SINGLE PUNCH DAMMIT! Cause I don't think he did in the 2006 return.

[JAK®]

I say that all the time. Fleischer is still putting lazy animators to shame. Sure they save time with there methods but they're sacrificing quality
That's kind of ignorant. A lot more money was put into animation back then, and they were made for the big screen. A short would cost a million dollars each. That's for 10 minutes. Cartoons nowadays last 20 minutes.

It simply isn't feasible to do animation like that anymore. It has nothing to do with being lazy.

[KalMart]

I just want to actually see supes throw ONE SINGLE PUNCH DAMMIT! Cause I don't think he did in the 2006 return.

Yeah, but he lifted the hell out of that rock, though. :up:

[BH/HHH]

I thought the heat vision was one of the things they got spot on in Superman Returns

[Doc Samson]

I just want to actually see supes throw ONE SINGLE PUNCH DAMMIT! Cause I don't think he did in the 2006 return.

Agreed, but it goes back to the villain once again. Superman certainly can't go around punching regular humans

[The Shield]

That's kind of ignorant. A lot more money was put into animation back then, and they were made for the big screen. A short would cost a million dollars each. That's for 10 minutes. Cartoons nowadays last 20 minutes.

It simply isn't feasible to do animation like that anymore. It has nothing to do with being lazy.

Oh wow... Someone took that a lil personally. You could have made your comment and your point in different way but you decided not to. That's ok. You obviously got butthurt by the way I made my comment so you felt the need to take a shot. Yes, mister guy sir, I knew that they were more expensive. That's just common sense and pretty apparent just by taking a comparison to that of other toons in the same era. However, I don't care. :) Money well spent.

[Snare]

Something like Neo in The Matrix effect wise, although obviously more tailored to Superman's style of combat, emphasising a brawler rather than a martial artist.

[KalMart]

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[JMark]

For starters, he should fight with the mentality that there is always a chance that his opponent could see reason and alter his life. Not even his parents or Lois being kidnapped by his adversary should alter this belief in him.

Also, no one in any of these films should ever have to talk Kal down from "going too far". Ever. His respect for life should trump any and every emotion that flows through his veins. So Goyer and Snyder, I don't want to see any moments where Kal speeds home to have a "talk" with Ma and Pa Kent. Nor does he need one from Lois, ever. I've seen enough of this nonsense in "Smallville".

Now with that said.. the basics:

- In a fight, Kal should be more cunning than he is intelligent. No matter who he faces, he should be the least experienced in combat, which should constantly give his opponent an edge to begin.

- There are two advantages that not only he, but everyone in the galaxy should come to the understand when facing him:

1. When on Earth, his fighting awareness is second to none. So good should they be, that quite a few of his battles against aliens should be won just by the fact that he knows his surroundings better than them. This should make him feared.

2. His fighting spirit should be the greatest of any hero, never quitting or surrendering no matter how bleak the situation is. The vast amount of time and energy that it takes to defeat him should be enough of a concern to keep most beings from coming to Earth to challenge him. This should make him respected.

Now, how he should fight:

* When facing a normal human he should never use any use heat vision, freeze breath, and especially a punch or a kick. A toss is acceptable but only when he aims the criminal toward a place that provides some cushion such as a crowd of other crooks, a watery surface, or a dumpster with necessary cushion inside; never through a window or some hard surface. Roughing up a thug should be avoided at all costs so that he won't be looked at negatively as a bully.

And after saying all this, one of the wonderful things about Superman is that a simple tap on the window and a wiggle of his finger is all that's needed 9 times out 10 for a criminal to willingly give himself up. That's if the movie does it's job in showing the full scope of what Superman represents to the criminal world.

* When facing a former friend/ally, a metahuman, or your basic alien with powers he should fight not to lose. His fighting stance should be one of defense, delivering the occasion offensive maneuver to keep the opponent honest. His legs spread to the width of the shoulders, posture slightly leaning forward, arms raised, senses on high alert. Gentle words should be his greatest ally, always attempting to get through to the person and calm their rage.

This should go on until Kal's or bystanders' lives are in danger. Then a combination of moves should be delivered to end the fight; sparing as much damage as possible.

* Against an alpha-enemy that he knows is killing or will kill without regard, he should fight to win; using the full scope of his powers. His stance should be lower, his knees bent, and eyes ablaze. His fighting type should be "brawler/roughneck", much like a strapping Kansas boy would fight in a bar. Shoulder charges, hay-makers, kicks to gut, face slamming to hard surfaces, arm tosses, suplexes, elbows to the front and the back, and never allowing himself to be on the ground when an opponent is near.

Not until the opponent is fully defeated should he hold back. At that point, he ends the fights and sends them back where they came from.

[--Zero-Ethic--]

Yeah, but he lifted the hell out of that rock, though. :up:

Lol, his most cunning foe

[terry78]

Basically that fight with Parasite in STAS is what I like to see.

[The Showstopper]

This is perfect for me!!

For starters, he should fight with the mentality that there is always a chance that his opponent could see reason and alter his life. Not even his parents or Lois being kidnapped by his adversary should alter this belief in him.

Also, no one in any of these films should ever have to talk Kal down from "going too far". Ever. His respect for life should trump any and every emotion that flows through his veins. So Goyer and Snyder, I don't want to see any moments where Kal speeds home to have a "talk" with Ma and Pa Kent. Nor does he need one from Lois, ever. I've seen enough of this nonsense in "Smallville".

Now with that said.. the basics:

- In a fight, Kal should be more cunning than he is intelligent. No matter who he faces, he should be the least experienced in combat, which should constantly give his opponent an edge to begin.

- There are two advantages that not only he, but everyone in the galaxy should come to the understand when facing him:

1. When on Earth, his fighting awareness is second to none. So good should they be, that quite a few of his battles against aliens should be won just by the fact that he knows his surroundings better than them. This should make him feared.

2. His fighting spirit should be the greatest of any hero, never quitting or surrendering no matter how bleak the situation is. The vast amount of time and energy that it takes to defeat him should be enough of a concern to keep most beings from coming to Earth to challenge him. This should make him respected.

Now, how he should fight:

* When facing a normal human he should never use any use heat vision, freeze breath, and especially a punch or a kick. A toss is acceptable but only when he aims the criminal toward a place that provides some cushion such as a crowd of other crooks, a watery surface, or a dumpster with necessary cushion inside; never through a window or some hard surface. Roughing up a thug should be avoided at all costs so that he won't be looked at negatively as a bully.

And after saying all this, one of the wonderful things about Superman is that a simple tap on the window and a wiggle of his finger is all that's needed 9 times out 10 for a criminal to willingly give himself up. That's if the movie does it's job in showing the full scope of what Superman represents to the criminal world.

* When facing a former friend/ally, a metahuman, or your basic alien with powers he should fight not to lose. His fighting stance should be one of defense, delivering the occasion offensive maneuver to keep the opponent honest. His legs spread to the width of the shoulders, posture slightly leaning forward, arms raised, senses on high alert. Gentle words should be his greatest ally, always attempting to get through to the person and calm their rage.

This should go on until Kal's or bystanders' lives are in danger. Then a combination of moves should be delivered to end the fight; sparing as much damage as possible.

* Against an alpha-enemy that he knows is killing or will kill without regard, he should fight to win; using the full scope of his powers. His stance should be lower, his knees bent, and eyes ablaze. His fighting type should be "brawler/roughneck", much like a strapping Kansas boy would fight in a bar. Shoulder charges, hay-makers, kicks to gut, face slamming to hard surfaces, arm tosses, suplexes, elbows to the front and the back, and never allowing himself to be on the ground when an opponent is near.

Not until the opponent is fully defeated should he hold back. At that point, he ends the fights and sends them back where they came from.

[BigThor]

So how do you guys feel about Superman "potentially" fighting Metallo in the new film?

[KalMart]

So how do you guys feel about Superman "potentially" fighting Metallo in the new film?

I'd feel better than if he was potentially not going to fight him. :O

[BigThor]

I'd feel better than if he was potentially not going to fight him. :O

Hahahaha nice one, I just said that because I'm not to sure about the supposedly leaked "plot details".

[KalMart]

I'd like a Superman movie to have a good combination of physical combat and apocalyptic disasters...but not just either or.

Matrix Revolutions basically gave us what 'Superman vs. Zod' should have been. I'd like to see that amplified with more throwing through buildings and mountains, etc. I also wouldn't mind seeing him take on a gigantic tentacled mecha-formation of Brainiac...busting holes in him and tearing off limbs....vaporizing huge chunks of writhing steel with his heat-vision....causing tsunami-like waves in the pavement...the whole ball of wax.

[Nemeres]

I wouldn't mind it if they went a little Dragon Ball on this. I'm not hoping for it, but I wouldn't mind it.

People complain that if he has powers then he has no need for martial arts, but if someone had unnatural speed and reflexes, then wouldn't martial arts just flow out of them? What I mean is sophisticated and swift blows. I just don't want the entire fight to be *PUNCH, crashes into mountain. Gets up and PUNCHES villain, who crashes into the mountain opposite. Repeat six times*

Not TOO Dragon Ball-esque either. Like Matrix, but more ferocious. It would be cool if they developed a completely new and original movie fighting style, the kind the kids will be emulating in their games. "And then I would do a mid-air spin-kick and punch him lots o' times at super speed into the ground, just like Superman in the movie..."

[The Shield]

Damon Caro is the fight choreographer for the 5 time in a row for Zack Snyder. Titles include Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, and now Man of Steel. His other titles hold some of the most fun knuckle up flicks to date. Movies like the original Bourne trilogy staring and Fight club.

Those movies and some pretty brutal and impressive fight sequences. However, they were all on the ground or had Superman's strength and powers. How will he incorporate those abilities?

I want massive throw down, fist-to-cuffs! With smart use of powers at the same time. I don't want to see him move normally when he could have used his super speed to avoid an object for example.

***Last time someone wrote in here was almost 2 yrs ago!!

[Lead Cenobite]

I don't really know much about martial arts, but I wouldn't be bothered if Superman occasionally did moves that are unusual for him, like a Chuck Norris-style spin kick. I think it would add a little levity and be kinda fun. Still, I wouldn't want it to turn into the Matrix with highly-choreographed martial arts fights. The occasional flourishes would be the exception.

[The Boy Scout]

When fighting regular humans, the most he should do is toss them.

When fighting people he doesn't particularly want to hurt, but has to, he should be primarily defensive. His objective should be to end the fight as soon as possible. He could ether allow them to exhaust themselves or use as few offensive maneuvers as it takes to put them down.

When fighting against people he absolutely has to stop (like Zod)...I think JLU pretty much got it right. However, I'd them to expand on that and allow him to use everything in his arsenal. Flight, super speed, heat vision...all of that. He should also use his elbows, shoulders, and knees. His style should be all about power and brute strength. Landing hit after hit after hit.

[Kal-El.9859]

When fighting regular humans, the most he should do is toss them.

When fighting people he doesn't particularly want to hurt, but has to, he should be primarily defensive. His objective should be to end the fight as soon as possible. He could ether allow them to exhaust themselves or use as few offensive maneuvers as it takes to put them down.

When fighting against people he absolutely has to stop (like Zod)...I think JLU pretty much got it right. However, I'd them to expand on that and allow him to use everything in his arsenal. Flight, super speed, heat vision...all of that. He should also use his elbows, shoulders, and knees. His style should be all about power and brute strength. Landing hit after hit after hit.

I would imagine that Superman could control his strength to where he could punch a human and not completely pulverize them.

[Excelsior.]

I think the rulebook on how to fight should thrown aside completely. This is Superman, he can fly, flight basically opens up a whole new dimension on how to approach someone for a strike, no longer should a movement be restricted to linear paths. Might I suggest, at your tolerance, that Snyder take a few cues out of Japanese animation and how characters that fly battle in the air?

Let's just hope Supes doesn't fight using the Keysi fighting method. One DC Superhero elbowing (only) through enemies is enough for one lifetime.

[fanboiii]

He should fight like a farm boy... with super strength and crazy powers.

[The Shield]

He should fight like a farm boy... with super strength and crazy powers.

Haha And... what's a farm boy fight like? :yay:

[Adenjo]

Haha And... what's a farm boy fight like? :yay:

Well, first he spits out that piece of straw he's been chewing on......

[BruceWanner]

When fighting regular humans, the most he should do is toss them.

When fighting people he doesn't particularly want to hurt, but has to, he should be primarily defensive. His objective should be to end the fight as soon as possible. He could ether allow them to exhaust themselves or use as few offensive maneuvers as it takes to put them down.



I'm reminded of this instance from Lois & Clark in which Superman has to fight a regular (though bionically enhanced) human boxer:

http://youtu.be/-Jbk0rHtVYE

[Astrodust]

I've always thought of Superman as a brawler.

[Smallville13]

Yeah he should just be like a country town brawler with his godly powers making up for any ineptitude fighting. Of course that won't be enough for Faora who is an experienced martial artist, nor Zod who is experienced in battle and no doubt close-combat as well.

It makes sense that later on in his life (at least in the comics) he would be an experienced fighter just from well all the experience ha.

[hopefuldreamer]

It'd be awesome if they can get the mix right between big scale fights, and more personal, brutal moments.

I mean I loved the final fight between theseus and hyperion in The Immortals because you really 'felt' it. It was a great brawl, and I'd love to see something similar between Supes and Zod, even if it comes at the end of all the throwing each other into buildings :)

[Marvin]

300 but without the weapons.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loojscCZuX1qagcpb.gif

[The Shield]

It'd be awesome if they can get the mix right between big scale fights, and more personal, brutal moments.

I mean I loved the final fight between theseus and hyperion in The Immortals because you really 'felt' it. It was a great brawl, and I'd love to see something similar between Supes and Zod, even if it comes at the end of all the throwing each other into buildings :)

This. I finally watched that movie two days ago and Cavill is a really convincing in that last fight! Man was that good!

[Astrodust]

300 but without the weapons.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loojscCZuX1qagcpb.gif

Reminds me of WWE wrestling or something. Might work.

[The Shield]

Geez la weez!! I'm watching Bourne Supremacy and I'm reminded of how good the fight scenes were choreographed and first of all it doesn't look practiced at all!

It's so real and powerful but fluid, a big mess but controlled.

I can totally see Faora and/or Zod bringing the trained pain with Superman defending himself to the best of his abilities using brute strength and speed.

I don't have any idea how they are going to show it but if it looks like how I see it in my head... Wooohooo!!!! Man it's going to be something we've never seen before, EVER.

[TDK elbowstrike]

I think the rulebook on how to fight should thrown aside completely. This is Superman, he can fly, flight basically opens up a whole new dimension on how to approach someone for a strike, no longer should a movement be restricted to linear paths. Might I suggest, at your tolerance, that Snyder take a few cues out of Japanese animation and how characters that fly battle in the air?

Let's just hope Supes doesn't fight using the Keysi fighting method. One DC Superhero elbowing (only) through enemies is enough for one lifetime.

:up::up::up:

I think boxing is a good way to start when thinking about how Supes should fight. There are very many different methods and types of boxers. If Faora and Zodd know martial arts and Superman ends up with a style similar to boxing he could still hold his own. Pro boxers are as dangerous a fighter as any martial artist. Throw in some MMA type techniques, but keep the kicks to a minimum. My fragile fanboy ego couldnt take it if Superman did more kicks when he fights then Batman did during the entire Dark Knight trilogy.
Damn you Nolan Batman and your elbow-centric fighting style!!! :argh:

[Quasimod0]

I want some super speed machine gun punches. Lol

[Greeneyes]

What are the odds that Faora hits Superman in the nuts when they fight?

:shock

It would be blasphemous if she does :jedi

[Excelsior.]

What are the odds that Faora hits Superman in the nuts when they fight?

:shock

It would be blasphemous if she does :jedi
That'd be a good way to ensure there isn't a Jason in this universe.

[Greeneyes]

That'd be a good way to ensure there isn't a Jason in this universe.

:hehe:

Poor Jason,the most hated half Kryptonian piano pushing child murderer in history

[fanboiii]

:up::up::up:

I think boxing is a good way to start when thinking about how Supes should fight. There are very many different methods and types of boxers. If Faora and Zodd know martial arts and Superman ends up with a style similar to boxing he could still hold his own.

I agree. Boxing is a very American fighting style. When most kids play fight, they usually imitate boxing and some wrestling. That's basically what I think Clark would have grown up with. I don't think Superman would be that interested in martial arts because he doesn't really have a fighter mentality. More often than not it's his last resort.

[hopefuldreamer]

This. I finally watched that movie two days ago and Cavill is a really convincing in that last fight! Man was that good!

Cut together the scene so that anyone who hasn't seen the movie can see what we're talking about :)

[hopefuldreamer]

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[fanboiii]

I see Chandler from Friends o.O

[McLarenMP4]

Might help if I actually posted it!

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[SuperMike335!!]

I think we can safely expect Superman to fight in the awesome way.

This includes.:

Genital shots, Eye gouging, Biting, Hair pulling, Face spitting, Head butting, Choking, Throat punches, Rear of Head punch, Face rake with finger nails, Mashing his heel on shins, ankles, knees, as well as the classic feign defeat for lethal surprise attack.

That’s how a SUPERman fights.

[fanboiii]

you forgot spitting at the eyes >:)

[SuperMike335!!]

you forgot spitting at the eyes >:)

That's a very good point fanboiii, they better not leave that one out either. :cwink:

[Lead Cenobite]

Why is it when I read "genital shots" I pictured closeups of Superman's crotch?

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That's for Joel Shumucker's Superman!

[king666]

I think something like this would be cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSiBDEUyl9Y

[hopefuldreamer]

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That's weird, it's playing fine for me and i've had no notice that it's been blocked. I've tried to upload a music video before that was blocked because the song I used was not allowed, but it at least told told me :(

Oh well!