If Favs is indeed out, who do you want to take the reins of Iron Man 3?

[terry78]

This was a thread I honestly did not want to make since I feel this is Favreau's baby to an extent considering he did the sequel, but if it has come down to it, who in the directing world could capture that feel of the universe? It will have to be someone that knows how to do serious AND fun, so you know...a grimdark director nor a goofy spectacle loving one will suffice.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Tarantino or Whedon, I guess.

[TMC1982]

Brett Ratner [SARCASM]!

[RaZaTrOn]

Bigger question is... will he still play Happy!!

[Octoberist]

I think he'll play Happy again, but in a small capacity.

[Octoberist]

Tarantino or Whedon, I guess.

Tarantino wouldn't do it, though it would be interesting.

Whedon would be great but it depends how he does on The Avengers. I don't know if he's willing to do big movies BACK TO BACK like that..

[Project862006]

Shane Black

[Stringer]

Maybe they'll take someone from Nolan's list of choices for TDKR director.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Neil Blomkamp from District 9.

[Sawyer]

Maybe they'll take someone from Nolan's list of choices for TDKR director.

Dont you mean Superman?

[terry78]

If it just has to be someone else, I would probably say David Gordon Green, even though I want him for the TMNT reboot. I think he could capture the humor and maintain the violent PG-13 content.

[Octoberist]

damn, I want him for The Flash!

[Sawyer]

I'm surprised no one's suggested RDJ himself.... given that so many around here make him out to be some sort of omnipresent God capable of anything and everything he sets his mind to.

[RealIrOnMaN]

I'm surprised no one's suggested RDJ himself.... given that so many around here make him out to be some sort of omnipresent God capable of anything and everything he sets his mind to.
Ah, you mean the brand new movie initiative that Team Downey (RDJ & Susan Downey's company) has taken? Could be.

But the problem is, that RDJ & his thoughts & ideas on Iron Man aren't going well with Marvel (he said in some interview, that they've rejected several of his ideas for both of Iron Man movies).

[Octoberist]

Robert wouldn't do it.

[Raiden]

I want Favearu to return to IM3, but if he is indeed gone I think maybe either Martin Campbell or Gore Verbinski will be good choice, since both understand action scenes well and have helmed some very good films in their resume. I won't be surprised if WB hires Favearu for a Flash movie, however.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Robert wouldn't do it.
I really want to see, how RDJ will react to this situation, shall it be confirmed soon.

[Stringer]

Dont you mean Superman?
Yeah. Whoops!

[SuperSAINT]

Duncan Jones

[RealIrOnMaN]

Duncan Jones
Hmm, great choice.

[flash13]

Michael Bay :hehe: Just kidding :woot:

[S.A.A.D.]

I could go with someone who has no experience,but I rather go with someone who has experience if the story is true.

[JustABill]

No one.

No Favreau and a majority of the cast we'll have to be recast and I'd rather that not happen.

[Chris B]

I'd go with the Gore Verbinski suggestion for now. Since he seems like the one who could best emulate the tone of the first two films.

[Excelsior.]

Joss Whedon.

[Nightmare]

Tim Story

[PWN3R]

Throwing names like Tarantino and Duncan Jones...haha, this is Marvel. At best, they'll go for someone like Peter Berg.

I really hope this is all a stunt by Favsy to get back complete control. So sad.

[Franklin Richards]

Ben and Casey Affleck.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[kedrell]

Aww man this sucks! I say let nobody touch it for at least 7 years. We'll still see Iron Man in Avengers movies but his own franchise needs time to pass. And whoever does end up doing it is likely going to come up short no matter what anyway.

[Franklin Richards]

Save RDJ for Avengers 2 : Electric Boogaloo.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[The Squirrel]

Tim Story

I hope that's a joke, haha.

[Octoberist]

Tim Story

YOu said that without an emoicon. Makes me question your humor. :p

[ElMariachi]

Duncan Jones would be cool with me. A nice up and coming director that could handle the sci-fi of Iron Man.

[DarkSovereignty]

idk why, but i want to say somebody like richard donner and joe dante,somebody who can bring that old fashion 80's senability i felt from favs.

[marvelrobbins]

Get Joss Whedon.He already rewrote Captain America.He Is rewriting and will direct
The Avengers.What some may not remember Is back In 2001 when Iron Man was at New Line Cinema Joss has discussions to do Iron Man.He could the next solo Iron man story
and could do some post Avengers easter egss In there.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Joss Whedon seems like the most obvious choice and would not be a bad one either.

however, some of the guys that Nolan had lined up to direct Superman would do great directing the 3rd Iron Man film

i just hope Jon comes back to play Happy

[tamron]

Shane Black

I think that's a great suggestion. And he's worked with Downey before (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang).

[Parker Wayne]

Tim Story

GTFO :cmad:

Fine. Kidding :oldrazz:No, really, GTFO

[Parker Wayne]

btw, Matt Reeves

[hatebox]

I'm interested to hear what RDJ makes of all this. He's probably tied to a contract, but I doubt he's happy now.

[Sebastos]

Whedon would be a decent choice but I'm sad to see Favs leave.

[mclay18]

No Favreau and a majority of the cast we'll have to be recast and I'd rather that not happen.

I'm pretty sure that Marvel has locked in some of the supporting players, like Gwyneth Paltrow, Clark Gregg and Scarlett Johannson. Not to mention RDJ, Samuel L. Jackson and Don Cheadle's contracts are set in stone.

If someone else ends up directing IM3, rest assured most of the principal players are contractually obligated to do it. I mean, you didn't see any of the principal actors re-cast in X3.

[Golgo-13]

I'm willing to bet Marvel with go with Brett Ratner, McG or Michael Bay on a 3rd IM movie...

[Excelsior.]

I'm willing to bet Marvel with go with Brett Ratner, McG or Michael Bay on a 3rd IM movie...Nah.

[Iron_Stark]

I'm willing to bet Marvel with go with Brett Ratner, McG or Michael Bay on a 3rd IM movie...

Based on their hirings, it's highly unlikely. Especially Bay and Ratner.

[Eddie Dean]

It can't get much better than Shane Black.

[HighFivingMF]

Shane Black
My first thought upon reading the news. :up:

[Leenie]

Depending on how the Avengers movie turns out ... Joss Whedon. I guess that's an obvious choice, but I think it would make sense. At least Iron Man 3 would feel connected to the Avengers movie, maybe?

Aw, hell, maybe I'll just go and say that the Avengers movie IS going to be Iron Man 3. We all know that Iron Man will be the star of it, since he's the biggest draw for the mainstream audience.

[Happy Jack]

I really have no idea, considering this franchise was in so much of Favreau's hands. I don't know if it would be best to take the (direct) sequel in a different direction, which would cause some discrepancies, or try to continue on the way they were going.

[Parker Wayne]

It can't get much better than Shane Black.

Love Shane Black, he wrote one of most favorite films of all time: Lethal Weapon.

I still gotta see Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I heard it was really good.

[rashad]

Edgar Wright?

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Nice. Edgar Wright could bring in a nice style into the mix

Joss I think will end up doing it.

[Leenie]

^Unless Marvel somehow chases him away after the Avengers movie, that is.

[Silvermoth]

I wonder if they'll get someone who's worked with Disney before?

[Timstuff]

Whedon would be a safe choice. If Downy Jr. likes his experience working with him on Avengers then there's hope.

[hatebox]

I imagine Edgar Wright and Duncan Jones will be seriously considered.

If Marvel are going for safe and reliable, I expect someone like Peter berg to be picked. Hancock was lousy but they'll trust him with a big property and know they can impose their decisions on him.

[SuperSAINT]

btw, Matt Reeves

Whilst Duncan Jones was my 1st shout, Matt Reeves is my 2nd choice.

Edgar Wright did pop into my mind too, but he's locked into ANT MAN isn't he?

[HighFivingMF]

Love Shane Black, he wrote one of most favorite films of all time: Lethal Weapon.

I still gotta see Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I heard it was really good.
Do it now. You can borrow my copy. Just do it!

[Suzanne78]

Peter Berg's movies (with the exception of Friday Night Lights movie and TV show) seem to always start out brilliantly... and then peter out somewhere midway through. It's very strange. I always expect more awesome from him, but I walk away disappointed...

People have been suggesting Duncan Jones. What's his work like?

[hatebox]

Peter Berg's movies (with the exception of Friday Night Lights movie and TV show) seem to always start out brilliantly... and then peter out somewhere midway through. It's very strange. I always expect more awesome from him, but I walk away disappointed...

People have been suggesting Duncan Jones. What's his work like?

Moon is his most/only well known film. But it demonstrates he can do a lot with very little, and gets the importance of character. He was in the running for Superman before Synder got it.

[Suzanne78]

Moon is his most/only well known film. But it demonstrates he can do a lot with very little, and gets the importance of character. He was in the running for Superman before Synder got it.

Oh... I've been meaning to watch Moon. Maybe I'll boot that up my queue.

Actually, even though there's talk about Marvel searching for a new director, I'm sort of hoping Joss Whedon might pick up IM's reins. I think he'd give us a quality third part.

[Iron_Stark]

Agreed, Joss should be the one to direct it. Plus it seems like RDJ and Joss are getting along really well.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Joss Whedon would make sense, but with IM3's release date being only a year after Avengers is released, I doubt he would have the time to do the story justice, unless they push it back to 2014, which even then would be pushing it for time.

[Watchman]

David Cronenberg. All this combining body and machine is perfect for him and it would be the most horrific superhero movie ever....I'm half kidding.

Also, Tarantino for Nick Fury that's inspired by Steranko's work.

[Spider-Fan]

Whedon is doing Avengers. He is out, and I'd rather get someone else.

As for who would I pick. I don't have a personal choice right now. But, I want someone who can do tongue and cheek for it.

[Brian2887]

Joe Carnahan (Smokin' Aces, The A-Team, Narc)
Shane Black (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang)
Edgar Wright (Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World, Hot Fuzz)
Duncan Jones (Moon)
Justin Lin (Community: Modern Warfare episode, Fast & Furious)

[Excelsior.]

The Wachowski's.

[Golgo-13]

Based on their hirings, it's highly unlikely. Especially Bay and Ratner.

Their hirings? They hired Letterier who directed the Transporter films for Hulk.:huh:

[hopefuldreamer]

First instinct is to say Joss, but I don't think it should be anyone with a distinctive style. I think they'd be better off with a more all round director who can work with the style of the previous movies and just stay in keeping with that.

Brett Ratner [SARCASM]!

This made me laugh SOOOOOO much :p

[kedrell]

He also did Unleashed, which is what got him the Hulk gig.

[Excelsior.]

Their hirings? They hired Letterier who directed the Transporter films for Hulk.:huh:...and Joe Johnston the hack.

[kedrell]

You're dead to me.

[Octoberist]

I can't see Duncan Jones doing it. I could have seen him doing Superman because it's a fresh start and you don't have to deal with someone's else direct continuity.

[Octoberist]

First instinct is to say Joss, but I don't think it should be anyone with a distinctive style. I think they'd be better off with a more all round director who can work with the style of the previous movies and just stay in keeping with that.



This made me laugh SOOOOOO much :p

Joss probably wouldn't do Avengers THEN Iron Man 3 back to back. (He would have to film Iron Man 3 early 2012 at least, which is post-production on Avengers)

[Majik1387]

Joss Whedon, Edgar Wright, Shane Black, the Wachowskisa and McG(he gets too much undeserved hate) are all good for me.

[Octoberist]

Edgar Wright is too busy with Ant-Man though. And again, you have to factor in that it's a sequel to a well established franchise, post Avengers. It'll be a hard gig.

[kedrell]

In no way would I want the Wa-suck bros. on this.

[Sawyer]

Do you guys seriously think that Joss would want to immediately jump from The Avengers to this? Lets be realistic, shall we?

[kedrell]

Hey maybe if Webb doesn't pan out at Sony, then they'll try to get Favs for a Spidey film?

[roach]

Joss isnt doing this so lets scratch his name off.
Tarantino said he isnt doing a superhero movie because comicbook fans obsess over the right color of red in superman's cape.

Based on their hirings they will go for someone who isnt going to require a large paycheck... so scratch Bay. Marvel is going to low ball the director like they normally do.
I am not really expecting good things to come out of the announcement for IM3 director.

[kedrell]

JJ Abrams would be ideal but Star Trek won't let that happen.

[DarkSovereignty]

...and Joe Johnston the hack.
you're being sarcastic...right? anyway, ya, edgar wright could be cool

[ElMariachi]

Based on their hirings they will go for someone who isnt going to require a large paycheck... so scratch Bay. Marvel is going to low ball the director like they normally do.
I am not really expecting good things to come out of the announcement for IM3 director.

did you expect good things from Favreau who directed Elf and Zathura? I didn't and he suprised me. They don't need to hire an A-list director, rather hire somebody with a fresh take. Chris Nolan wasn't a huge name before doing Batman either.

[roach]

did you expect good things from Favreau who directed Elf and Zathura? I didn't and he suprised me. They don't need to hire an A-list director, rather hire somebody with a fresh take. Chris Nolan wasn't a huge name before doing Batman either.

Yes I did expect IM to be good with Favreau.
I am not saying they need to get a A-list director but the way marvel works they will not try to get a B or even C list director

Chris Nolan may not have been a big name but he was a rising star with Memento and Insomnia

[ElMariachi]

Yes I did expect IM to be good with Favreau.
I am not saying they need to get a A-list director but the way marvel works they will not try to get a B or even C list director

Chris Nolan may not have been a big name but he was a rising star with Memento and Insomnia

Cmon. What basis at all did you have to think Favreau would make a good, serious Iron Man movie? Zathura, (a Jumaji remake) and a funny Christmas comedy?

Why don't you think that Marvel will land a B or C list director? Kenneth Branagh is a well respected director and Joe Johnson has done quality work. Joss Wheadon was a respected hiring based on his past work. Even Louis Leterrier wasn't too bad for a Hulk movie. All of these directors were more well known directors than Favreau was when he took on Iron Man. You have nothing to base your hunch on given these hirings and that of the actors they brought to their films.

As for Nolan, he wasn't a big name at all. He was a rising star because of the two movies you listed, but not an A-list director. Iron Man put Favreau in the position to do bigger work in the same way Batman has for Nolan. I don't see why this can't replicated for Iron Man 3.

[Octoberist]

Again, Edgar Wright would be cool but he ain't gonna do it. Too much baggage (being a sequel), and he's working on Ant-Man already.

It's not like Pirates 4, where Rob Marsall. That's okay because THAT was more of a stand-alone film. Here, you are following up The Avengers, which is already an Iron Man movie..kinda.

[Excelsior.]

In no way would I want the Wa-suck bros. on this.
Yes, on second thought those visionaries might be too good for Iron Man.

[Parker Wayne]

What about Matt Reeves? I think that's a pretty realisitc choice.

[terry78]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/114/1140315p1.html

IGN has been lurking. :o

[Sawyer]

I actually wouldn't mind Carnahan...

[kedrell]

Yes, on second thought those visionaries might be too good for Iron Man.

Visionaries? Hah! Uber-hacks is more like it. The Matrix sequels and Speed racer are three of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life. To me it looks like they just got lucky with the first Matrix movie.

[kedrell]

Of those available(leaves out Abrams, Wright, Whedon) I'd go with Reeves. LMI knocked my socks off and Cloverfield was pretty decent as well.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Matrix and Bound are great movies and even their failures are interesting to watch (Speed Race, Matrix sequels).

I think the Wachowskis could make a great Iron Man sequel using the framework of Favreau's movies.

They are not hacks. The Matrix is a perfect action movie.

[kedrell]

At best I thought the original Matrix to be just ok. Bound is pretty meh, IMO.

[roach]

Cmon. What basis at all did you have to think Favreau would make a good, serious Iron Man movie? Zathura, (a Jumaji remake) and a funny Christmas comedy?

Why don't you think that Marvel will land a B or C list director? Kenneth Branagh is a well respected director and Joe Johnson has done quality work. Joss Wheadon was a respected hiring based on his past work. Even Louis Leterrier wasn't too bad for a Hulk movie. All of these directors were more well known directors than Favreau was when he took on Iron Man. You have nothing to base your hunch on given these hirings and that of the actors they brought to their films.

As for Nolan, he wasn't a big name at all. He was a rising star because of the two movies you listed, but not an A-list director. Iron Man put Favreau in the position to do bigger work in the same way Batman has for Nolan. I don't see why this can't replicated for Iron Man 3.

I dont need a director to do a superhero movie to judge their ability to do a superhero movie. Fav has talent and from what i saw of the movies I thought he'd be able to pull it off.
Branagh is a good director but he isnt A-list. Neither are Whedon or Leterrier.
A-list director's can sell movies by themselves. Spielberg, Cameron and Tarantino fit this bill.
I never claimed Nolan was an A-list director (a status he didnt achieve until TDK).

[roach]

The Matrix and Bound are great movies and even their failures are interesting to watch (Speed Race, Matrix sequels).

I think the Wachowskis could make a great Iron Man sequel using the framework of Favreau's movies.

They are not hacks. The Matrix is a perfect action movie.

i think they would make a good IM movie but I dont see Marvel coming out of pocket for them

[Iron_Stark]

A big hell no to the Wachowski Bros. They would Batman Forever this movie up with their neon lights and bright colors. Plus their last good movie was over 10 years ago. No thanks

[Majik1387]

A big hell no to the Wachowski Bros. They would Batman Forever this movie up with their neon lights and bright colors. Plus their last good movie was over 10 years ago. No thanks
:whatever:

[Golgo-13]

As a fan of Starship Troopers 1, Basic Instinct, Robocop and Total Recall, i say Paul Verhoeven.

[Sawyer]

Speed Racer >>>>> Iron Man


:o

[Iron_Stark]

Speed Racer >>>>> Iron Man


:o

Yawn. Any show in tvs history >>>>>>>>> overrated over exposed Lost.

[Sawyer]

Commie. :o

[Majik1387]

Any show in tvs history >>>>>>>>> overrated over exposed Lost.
:up:

[Sawyer]

You're a commie too. :o

[Parker Wayne]

You're a commie too. :o

Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half-Men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lost :o

[Sawyer]

Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half-Men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lost :o

Rabies-infected commie SCUM!!! :cmad:

[HighFivingMF]

Commies > Lost.

[Sawyer]

Not so. :o

[Parker Wayne]

Rabies-infected commie SCUM!!! :cmad:

I love doing that. :yay::oldrazz:

[Sawyer]

*throws shoe at Parker Wayne*


:oldrazz:

[kedrell]

Speed Racer >>>>> Iron Man


:o

Yeah, that makes sense.:doh:

[MessiahDecoy123]

As a fan of Starship Troopers 1, Basic Instinct, Robocop and Total Recall, i say Paul Verhoeven.
I'd love to see him return to sci-fi.

Favreau was influenced by Robocop.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Matrix >>>>> Iron Man


:o
fixed.

[kedrell]

I disagree with both.

[hatebox]

The Matrix was leagues ahead of Iron Man, but the Wachowski's recent work increasingly makes me wonder if that was a one off.

The notion of them tackling Iron Man would be interesting, but they're not the kind of directors Marvel would go for. They'll want someone safe and reliable whom they can impose their will on.

[Iron_Stark]

lmao, Matrix was hardly leagues ahead of Iron Man. What just because they made bullet time and that camera trick famous? Because that was the only original thing that movie had going for it.

Keanu Reeves couldn't hold Robert Downey Jr's jock strap. The damn strawberry vendor in Iron Man 2 was a better actor and had better charisma than Keanu.

Matrix 2 was ass

Matrix 3 was completely unwatchable.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Ha! Iron Man better than The Matrix?

Iron Man had like two short action scenes and they pale in comparison to the many classic Matrix action scenes. Matrix +1

Iron Man dwells on war profiteering. The Matrix dwells on the fabric of reality and how society decieves people to keep them obedient slaves. Matrix +1

Iron Man has barely any memorable dialogue. The Matrix has dozens of great and meaningful dialogue. Matrix +1

Iron Man drags in scenes and is anti-climatic. The Matrix has perfect pacing and one of the best climaxes of recent memory. The Matrix +1

Iron Man was a hit but the Matrix was an international phenomena with a timeless subversive cyber-punk message. The Matrix +1

The Matrix = 5

Iron Man = 0

[Iron_Stark]

Ha! Iron Man better than The Matrix?

Iron Man had like two short action scenes and they pale in comparison to the many classic Matrix action scenes. Matrix +1


Iron Man dwells on war profiteering. The Matrix dwells on the fabric of reality and how society decieves people to keep them obedient slaves. Matrix +1


Iron Man has barely any memorable dialogue. The Matrix has dozens of great and meaningful dialogue. Matrix +1


Iron Man drags in scenes and is anti-climatic. The Matrix has perfect pacing and one of the best climaxes of recent memory. The Matrix +1



Iron Man was a hit but the Matrix was an international phenomena with a timeless subversive cyber-punk message. The Matrix +1

The Matrix = 5

Iron Man = 0

You could make a small argument that the first Matrix movie is better than the first Iron Man movie (I don't buy it) but overall, the Iron Man franchise is better than the Matrix franchise.

Iron Man 2 is tons better than Matrix 2 with their stupid rave and super Neo.

As far as Iron Man 3, Tony Stark sitting on his couch, watching tv, drinking a beer and scratching his crotch for two hours would be more watchable than seeing Matrix 3.

Like I said before Robert Downey Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keanu "The Cardboard" Reeves

If this were a song, the Matrix would be a one hit wonder while the Iron Man movies would be a solid string of hits.

[hatebox]

I'm not interested in a Matrix vs Iron Man debate, but the former was so much more than the novelty of bullet time and, lousy sequels aside, pop culture has judged it accordingly. It's not as if Iron Man 2 was loved either.

[kedrell]

The Matrix was just a bunch of goth/emo/punk-types convincing themselves that they are just 'oh so cool'. Spare me.:whatever:

[Majik1387]

The Matrix honestly reminded me of the Sims games.:O

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Matrix was just a bunch of goth/emo/punk-types convincing themselves that they are just 'oh so cool'. Spare me.:whatever:
So you ignore the overall quality of the movie because you have issues with the fashion. Gotcha.

[kedrell]

So you ignore the overall quality of the movie because you have issues with the fashion. Gotcha.

Did I say fashion? It's the whole mentality of the movie.

[hatebox]

The Matrix was just a bunch of goth/emo/punk-types convincing themselves that they are just 'oh so cool'. Spare me.:whatever:

Elaborate. Presumably you mean thematically, if it's not about the fashion.

[kedrell]

Well it's just the whole emo/goth/punk/slacker/hacker/anti-establishment mindset of the film that takes the whole paranoid-ness of those groups and glorifies it as if they are the ultimate standards of what we the audience should like/care about and what we shouldn't. In other words, it's the 'we're so cool and all else isn't' mindset that has always bugged me. The Matix isn't the only film to tap into these subgroups desire for dark/edgey self-importance. The Crow, TDK and Dark City do the exact same thing and appeal to pretty much the same sensibilities. I, as someone who has never and WILL never have those same sensibilities,....don't like such fare.

[hatebox]

OK. I think you've done the film a considerable disservice by boiling it down to little more than what you've written above, but I'm not out to convince you otherwise. Not sure how TDK fits into that mindset, though.

[kedrell]

Now that's not to say I don't like dark movies, but I don't like dark movies that are dark because they think it's just so cool to be so. I muchmore prefer the way somebody like Fincher does dark movies for that reason.

[kedrell]

OK. I think you've done the film a considerable disservice by boiling it down to little more than what you've written above, but I'm not out to convince you otherwise. Not sure how TDK fits into that mindset, though.

Well it tends to appeal to the exact same demographic and for the exact same reasons, from what I've been able to see of the fan's reactions.

[hatebox]

Well it tends to appeal to the exact same demographic....

And a whole lot more, if the box office is anything to by. And if it wasn't dark it probably wouldn't be a very good Batman film anyway.

But we're going off topic.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well it's just the whole emo/goth/punk/slacker/hacker/anti-establishment mindset of the film that takes the whole paranoid-ness of those groups and glorifies it as if they are the ultimate standards of what we the audience should like/care about and what we shouldn't. In other words, it's the 'we're so cool and all else isn't' mindset that has always bugged me. The Matix isn't the only film to tap into these subgroups desire for dark/edgey self-importance. The Crow, TDK and Dark City do the exact same thing and appeal to pretty much the same sensibilities. I, as someone who has never and WILL never have those same sensibilities,....don't like such fare.
Well at least your honest, I can respect that.

You're not attacking the film-making when your main complaint is the message as many do with Avatar.

I found the counter-culture/non-conformist message refreshing but I guess I can't expect all other "copper tops" to feel the same way.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I still say The Matrix is a very well made movie regardless of how one feels about the message.

The Wachoskis have talent and could make a great superhero movie.

[kedrell]

Well at least your honest, I can respect that.

You're not attacking the film-making when your main complaint is the message as many do with Avatar.

I found the counter-culture/non-conformist message refreshing but I guess I can't expect all other "copper tops" to feel the same way.

That's fair. I really, really do hate 'message movies'. If they want a message, keep it subtle and interpretable in many different ways. It's the old thing that JRR Tolkien used to talk about with applicability vs. allegory. And I'm with him on it. That's why I loved Iron Man 1. favs made sure to not skew too far either way with any message of his film so that you could interpret it yourself however you liked(within reason and the confines of the story). That's why some said it was too left-wing and others said it was too right-wing. To me that's one of the marks of a good movie/story. It just postulates ideas and lets you decide on your own.

[Nave 'Torment']

First off, I'd want Favreau back for IM3. But if he's really and truly gone, then the next guy should be someone who understands the franchise and the actors involved. I wouldn't want a tonally rebooted sequel that pretends to be dark. I don't want a director who turns the franchise on it's head like Schumacher did. The situation is a lot like with X3 , and I'll be really content with myself if they didn't go ahead with another sequel. The Avengers could even things up for the character well and fans would look back and immortalise the two films that lead into the cross-over. Maybe they do get around to The Avengers 2 we'd be focused on the other Avengers more (say 2 more Thor films in the interim?) It wouldn't be bad at all.

But if we absolutely must have an Iron Man 3, it should be someone who balances the humour and the action and the story perfectly. I think based on previous films and the current Marvel-Disney liaison, Gore Verbinski of the original Pirates trilogy could do a terrific job with the franchise. While the psuedo-science heavy world of Iron Man would give his sensibilities a new challenge, the established world of Iron Man would be equally enriched by a director that walks the line between real and supernatural.

I suppose there are finer science-fiction directors out there, but Verbinski was the first who comes to (my) mind.

[kedrell]

Hmm, Verbinski? His Pirates movies were really kinda messes as far as making sense as cohesive stories. I tend to go with Mark Kermode on the Pirates movies. I think we'dwant a director who is very story/characterization conscious while having a good grasp of spectacle & action & integrated SFX. Someone who's comfortable with some ad-lib now and again to keep the character interaction as sharp as it's been so far. Hard to decide but I feel most comfortable with Matt Reeves so far of the names I've heard.

[Nave 'Torment']

I dunno about Mark Reeves, though yes Cloverfield was (from what I've heard) a pretty good monster film.

Verbinksi's films were entertaining and they captured the spirit of the pirates really well. As for Mark Kermode... I dunno, the man expects conventional films, I usually disagree with his interpretations.

[Excelsior.]

Just the aesthetic influence of the Matrix is ginormous.

You would be deluded to deny that. Hell, the Matrix is the sole reason for Zack Snyder's existence.

[kedrell]

Sure it was influential. Bullet-time, wire-fu & gun-fu became big, more's the pity.

[The Geek Vault]

I'm guessing Joss Whedon will take over, given that he will direct Avengers

[Nave 'Torment']

I'd rather Whedon remained consistent with The Avengers if Marvel does decide (and I know they will) to continue with these franchises. To each artist his own project, right?

Just wondering... in a possible Iron Man 3, shouldn't Favs return anyway as Happy Hogan?

[Nave 'Torment']

If the next film does feature the Mandarin and/or Fin Fang Foom (yowza!) I think a substantial amount of characterisation should be devoted to Tony's role as an inventor/sometimes looming mad scientist. I dunno, but as Howard Hughes proved a successful inspiration, why not go for a Nikola Tesla-esque take on the character? His experiences with The Avengers and now with a possible monster looming in the horizon would render his ravings similar to those of a mad man. Such a film wouldn't be dark and gritty in presentation, but perhaps only in certain themes? Has any one suggested Ridley Scott yet now that the guy's gone on record to 'go back to science fiction'? I want Tony to question his role as a scientist in a post-Avengers film.

The Duncan Jones suggestion, in turn, made me think of Danny Boyle's Sunshine, but he'd be way too gloomy (in presentation, not themes) for an Iron Man film. Barry Sonnenfeld is very familiar to the genre, I wonder if he would make a good IM director. The other guy who comes to mind, thanks to Downey Jr.'s involvement in Marvel recruiting, is Guy Ritchie.

[Parker Wayne]

If the next film does feature the Mandarin and/or Fin Fang Foom (yowza!) I think a substantial amount of characterisation should be devoted to Tony's role as an inventor/sometimes looming mad scientist. I dunno, but as Howard Hughes proved a successful inspiration, why not go for a Nikola Tesla-esque take on the character? His experiences with The Avengers and now with a possible monster looming in the horizon would render his ravings similar to those of a mad man. Such a film wouldn't be dark and gritty in presentation, but perhaps only in certain themes? Has any one suggested Ridley Scott yet now that the guy's gone on record to 'go back to science fiction'? I want Tony to question his role as a scientist in a post-Avengers film.

The Duncan Jones suggestion, in turn, made me think of Danny Boyle's Sunshine, but he'd be way too gloomy (in presentation, not themes) for an Iron Man film. Barry Sonnenfeld is very familiar to the genre, I wonder if he would make a good IM director. The other guy who comes to mind, thanks to Downey Jr.'s involvement in Marvel recruiting, is Guy Ritchie.

Great idea, and what I would like to add to that is that The Mandarin should be not only an actual threat, but a huge threat. He should be the biggest threat Iron Man has ever had.

Remember, they did build him up in the first and second films (though the second film was more subvert). I truly believe that the Mandarin if done right could make for the best Iron Man film. He could be the first villain to push Stark to his limit and more.

The Mandarin, above everything, needs to be an international threat.

[Doctor Jones]

I'd be great for Whedon to take over after Avengers. But I don't know if he would be up to it. Who knows, RDJ could have such a great time working with him, he'd ask him to do IM3 with him.

I wouldn't mind Verbinski but only POTC COTBP Verbinski. The script was the problem in the sequels.

[Nave 'Torment']

@ Parker Wayne, the international-level threat would be terrific. And with Iron Man's role as an Avenger, his presence would be on an international level, perhaps putting him directly on the Mandarin's way? The Ten Rings, like the League of Shadows, is only partially destroyed in the film(s).

@Doctor Jones, maybe it's just me but I really want Whedon to focus on The Avengers series and subsequent sequels (if any).

[Donut]

Knowing Marvel Brett Ratner

[DarkSovereignty]

Knowing Marvel Brett Ratner
um...you know that was FOX, right? entirely different studio.

[roach]

um...you know that was FOX, right? entirely different studio.

Marvel Studios still had a say on that film

[kedrell]

Very little, actually. Fox was paying the bills and keeping most of the profits.

[Nave 'Torment']

Brett Ratner would cast Jackie Chan as the Mandarin. :D

[NEXUS 6]

JJ Abrams or Duncan Jones. Accept no substitutes.

Unless that substitute is Favreau.

[Parker Wayne]

JJ Abrams or Duncan Jones. Accept no substitutes.

Unless that substitute is Favreau.

Well its not gonna be JJ Abrams so you're only down to one choice.

[roach]

its not gonna be an A or B list director

[Parker Wayne]

I definitely don't think it will be an A list director but I think it could possibly be a B list director. Marvel's gonna want to get a director both them and the fans can get behind.

Or they may want a director than can easily be controlled. It can go either way.

[roach]

i actually wouldnt be surprised if they went after the guy who directed Tron Legacy

[HighFivingMF]

Uuuuggggghhhkkkkk.

[RachelDawes]

i actually wouldnt be surprised if they went after the guy who directed Tron Legacy

He's too inexperienced a director, and Tron didn't receive good enough reviews, nor does it look like it's going to do well enough at the BO to justify giving him IM.

[roach]

precisely...someone they can mold and control.....and while i do know they are different companies Marc Webb only has one movie to his name before Spidey

[HighFivingMF]

precisely...someone they can mold and control.....and while i do know they are different companies Marc Webb only has one movie to his name before Spidey
Webb also directed over 100 music videos and 500 Days of Summer got much better reviews than Tr2n. Whereas Joseph Kosinski directed entirely CG commercials of Halo 3 and Gears of War and Tr2n.

[kedrell]

They'll want someone who has talent, won't cost too much and is on board the whole 'one universe' thing from the start and who's available. Duncan Jones or Matt Reeves are the likely candidates, IMO(as long as they're cool with the one-universe thing, which I have no idea about).

[Nave 'Torment']

Louis Letterier had the job for ITH and he wasn't/isn't exactly renowned! Kevin Branagh, on the other hand, is a pretty celebrity-level guy to work behind. Maybe I'm too naive but Marvel Studios seems to be very flexible as long as the creators remain faithful to the comics and their Avengers project. There's this notion of cooperation between the producers and the directors, just like Marvel does with their magazines, so who knows, it just might be someone of high caliber but with a good idea.

[Parker Wayne]

That's indeed what they want. Marvel wants people who love the comics and are willing to cooperate in establishing this shared universe. As long as they don't go overboard and start compiling a list of demands for directors (like who's required to cameo and stuff) then they'll be fine.

[Parker Wayne]

And to be honest, in the case of Kosinski, the script was crap from the beginning (in an interview with the screenwriters, they mentioned they left a lot out for a sequel) so I'll give him some slack and wait until he makes another film in order to fully judge his skills as a director.

With that said, he's too inexperienced for Iron Man 3. The Spiderman reboot is much cheaper and much less riskier. Webb's not working with very experienced actors much less RDJ and the Spider-man franchise will gross a lot of money because it's Spidey (unless it's really bad).

[kedrell]

Cameos shouldn't be dictated by concerns of upcoming movies so much as being integral to the story. If it makes sense that character X shows up, then do it. Like it would make perfect sense for Cap to show up in an Iron Man movie that was an adaption of Armor Wars.

But if it doesn't make sense for them to be there then please don't shoe-horn them in. That's just blatant pandering and it's kinda insulting.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't think Marvel's doing that (and I never thought that was the case for IM2 ) though I have a bad feeling that Feige may eventually push for that. I don't know why, but I feel as though he would do that.

[Kent]

I don't think I've seen it suggested here yet (though I might've missed it), so I'll suggest Alex Proyas.

Of course, ideally I'd want Fav's back...

[kedrell]

Have you seen Knowing?

[Kent]

The direction was hardly the problem with that movie.

[roach]

Iron man seems a little light for him

[kedrell]

The direction was hardly the problem with that movie.

EVERYTHING was the problem with that movie. Ugh! I just wanted to shoot a bus load of kids after seeing that.

[Justkidding]

Alex Proyas seems to be a good choice. All his movies have made bank, varing critical success, has clear visions for his project while maintaining the level of yes man requried to work on a Marvel Project based on his work with I, Robot for FOX.

[Excelsior.]

Zach Snyder. He would give us great armored action.

[Sawyer]

I think he's got more than enough on his plate already...

Also, no.

[dark_b]

EVERYTHING was the problem with that movie. Ugh! I just wanted to shoot a bus load of kids after seeing that.you think Knowing was a bad directed movie?

[kedrell]

When I consider that a director is usually in charge of all aspects of a film(i.e. bringing them all together so that they work as a whole) then yes, I think the directing there was bad. Yes, I know he didn't write it but that he signed on to direct such a poorly(and this term can't be overstated in regards to that film, IMO) written screenplay......that has to say something about his own judgment.

[Nave 'Torment']

I don't think I've seen it suggested here yet (though I might've missed it), so I'll suggest Alex Proyas.

Of course, ideally I'd want Fav's back...

Have you seen Knowing?

EVERYTHING was the problem with that movie. Ugh! I just wanted to shoot a bus load of kids after seeing that.

Hahaha, I JUST watched it two nights ago. C'mon it was one of those films that just didn't know what it was. Like people. It started off as a creepy horror film about possession, became a disaster movie at some point, turned to a conspiracy film with bibilical horror, and ended up being an apocalyptic alien story. Seriously, Zack Snyder would've been right at home there (no offense, I love his work, but the genre shifts somehow remind me of him). Proyas is great, but I think he'd muck up Iron Man.

Iron man seems a little light for him

Yup.

I think he[Snyder]'s got more than enough on his plate already...

Also, no.

Agreed.

[Parker Wayne]

I still say Matt Reeves would be a great choice, but Shane Black too.

Those are my top 2 picks. I wouldn't choose one over the other.

[Marvin]

Whedon will do it right after Avengers and in doing so will prove the talent Favs infact has or doesn't.

[Sawyer]

You guys are really expecting way too much of Joss.

[Justkidding]

I still say Matt Reeves would be a great choice, but Shane Black too.

Those are my top 2 picks. I wouldn't choose one over the other.
He should do the Heroes for Hire movie :awesome:

[Parker Wayne]

You guys are really expecting way too much of Joss.

Agreed. I don't understand why people are thinking Whedon will do IM3.

[roach]

Whedon will do it right after Avengers and in doing so will prove the talent Favs infact has or doesn't.

Wait...wha....are you serious?????

[Majik1387]

I can see Whedon helping out whoever will be hired to direct IM3, but realistically speaking, I don't see him directing it himself.

[roach]

Anyone expecting Whedon to direct IM3 does not know how the film making process works

[Parker Wayne]

I can see Whedon helping out whoever will be hired to direct IM3, but realistically speaking, I don't see him directing it himself.

I agree, and with that said, I can safely say that Whedon's a much more realistic choice than J.J. Abrams or Steven Spielberg.

The funny thing is that in the writer's thread for Iron Man 3 for who do you want to be a screenwriter, someone said Aaron Sorkin. Someone obviously didn't know the kind of stories Sorkin writes (and that Sorkin doesn't go anywhere near writing any story that could even be closely considered fantasy).

[roach]

The director of IM3 will be C-list at best...scratch Spielberg, Nolan, Abrams, Snyder, Cameron and Bay off the list

[TheVileOne]

Sam Raimi.

[RealIrOnMaN]

@ManMadeMoon (Duncan Jones - director of Moon & Source Code)
What did you think of Iron Man 2?
I know that it's very far from confirmation or something serious like that, but the fact that he cares about it makes me happy & wonder, whether he'll want to try himself as the director of Iron Man 3, should Source Code succeed both critically & financially.

[Parker Wayne]

The director of IM3 will be C-list at best...scratch Spielberg, Nolan, Abrams, Snyder, Cameron and Bay off the list

I think that's giving the series too little credit. Big Budget franchise, big name lead actor and cast. I'm seeing at best B-list.

[Excelsior.]

The director of IM3 will be C-list at best...scratch Spielberg, Nolan, Abrams, Snyder, Cameron and Bay off the list
Who would even want Nolan to direct IM3? Tsk Tsk...

The funny thing is that in the writer's thread for Iron Man 3 for who do you want to be a screenwriter, someone said Aaron Sorkin (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=19444186#). Someone obviously didn't know the kind of stories Sorkin writes

I was joking.

[Parker Wayne]

I was joking.

Oh. Now I feel like an ass haha.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see Joss Whedon doing IM3. IM3 is probably going to be targetted for 2013, I would imagine. If that is the case, and IM3 begins the Post-Avengers being formed in filmverse, then IM3 will be way into production even before Avengers is done. That means, Joss can't do it.

Marvel will bring in someone new for IM3, I would bet money on it.

[kedrell]

My sig, dammit! ;)

[Parker Wayne]

:up:

Look at some of my post on the last page

[Spider-Fan]

I think Marvel may get a b-list director for IM3. I wouldn't call Branagh or JJ C-list directors, yet they're doing Marvel films right now. Marvel clearly won't go A-list, but they've had no problem working with B-list directors. But, I don't care what list the director for IM3 comes from. I just care that he has the right vision needed for this Marvel universe post-Avengers existing. IM3 is going to be a very interesting film for that reason. Much like IM1 defined this new Marvel universe (before its sequel becoming a commercial for Avengers), it appears IM3 will be charged with defining this new Marvel universe, again. It's easy when these characters can all be involved and act as a unit in one film, but how will solos work when this world of a "team" exists? I am very interested to see this. Like I said, it has to be explained why Iron Man just doesn't call Thor to pound the Mandarin.

[roach]

I consider Branagh and JJ c-list directors...its nothing about their talent but where they are in the mindset of the GA.
A list directors are those who can market a movie themselves....Spielberg, Cameron, Tarantino have marketed movies based on their vision.

B list are directors on their way up or down...Abrams and Snyder are on their way up while M Night is on his way down...if he isnt already c-list

So when I mention c list its not a slam against JJ or Branagh its just they dont have anything within the last few years they can point to that the GA remembers them for

[Parker Wayne]

To be honest, I thought about that but I don't think people will care about the whole "Why don't Iron Man get help" to fight the Mandarin. With that said, they should just establish that the other heroes are busy with their own conflicts.

[Spider-Fan]

I consider Branagh and JJ c-list directors...its nothing about their talent but where they are in the mindset of the GA.
A list directors are those who can market a movie themselves....Spielberg, Cameron, Tarantino have marketed movies based on their vision.

B list are directors on their way up or down...Abrams and Snyder are on their way up while M Night is on his way down...if he isnt already c-list

So when I mention c list its not a slam against JJ or Branagh its just they dont have anything within the last few years they can point to that the GA remembers them for

But, they are still people popular in Hollywood circuits. Hence why I don't see them as C-list.

To be honest, I thought about that but I don't think people will care about the whole "Why don't Iron Man get help" to fight the Mandarin. With that said, they should just establish that the other heroes are busy with their own conflicts.

I agree, that is what they should do, but it must be explained no less. I'd use it to maybe reference things that happen in other solo sequels (like say Cap is busy in wherever Cap 2 takes place, or Thor for Thor 2, etc).

[roach]

But, they are still people popular in Hollywood circuits. Hence why I don't see them as C-list.





popularity in Hollywood is based on what have you done for me lately....neither one has anything recent that the GA remembers....yes JJ did come in to finish Wolfman late but its still his name on it.

Can they market a movie on their own...no
do they have anything recent to show off...no
they are c-list and if these movies are good they may move up

[Spider-Fan]

B-list directors can't sell a movie themselves, either. Not even a guy like Abrams gets people to see his movies outside of us just because it is him. Didn't help MI3. Only when you go into the A-list do directors sell a movie based on name.

[roach]

B-list directors can't sell a movie themselves, either. Not even a guy like Abrams gets people to see his movies outside of us just because it is him. Didn't help MI3. Only when you go into the A-list do directors sell a movie based on name.

exactly...b-list people are either on their way up or down.

which is why Spielberg's name appears on Super 8

[Nightmare]

Sam Raimi.

Imagine?

Bruce Campbell as his new bodyguard.

[Parker Wayne]

exactly...b-list people are either on their way up or down.

which is why Spielberg's name appears on Super 8

JJ Abrams is directing Super 8 and sell a film by himself. Spielberg's name is on their for extra marketing.

Spielberg's name is also on the trailer for Transformers 3 and Bay can definitely sell a film by himself. Does that make him B-list too?

[roach]

when I mention can they market a movie on their name alone....not from the guy who brought you Star Trek or 300

The marketing for Inglourious Basterds was..."Imagine WW2 through the eyes of Quentin Tarantino" or something to that effect

[iGiFF]

This is an odd choice, but what about Ruben Fleischer. He has not really done anything I think, but he did Zombieland and even Favreau did not have much beneth his belt coming into Iron Man. I think Fleischer could work.

[kedrell]

Favs had 3 films under his belt by the time he did Iron Man. All of them were critically successful and one(Elf) was a box office hit making around $200M. I liked Zombieland but I'd still say let Fleisher wet his feet some more with some small diverse projects before getting up to the big time with a 150M+ budget Marvel movie.

[Parker Wayne]

when I mention can they market a movie on their name alone....not from the guy who brought you Star Trek or 300

The marketing for Inglourious Basterds was..."Imagine WW2 through the eyes of Quentin Tarantino" or something to that effect

But J.J. Abrmas is usually represented like that. Wasn't his name used for Cloverfield Advertising and being used for Super 8?

[A Necessary Evil]

Yessir It was^