Flashpoint

[Mystirious]

It has a fab cover but it sounds like it is going to be part of that awful Wonder Woman and the Furies story

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I doubt I'll read it. But I will most certainly sit and stare at that cover now and then for some time to come. :)

[Mystirious]

Make it your screen saver and bask in its fabulousness

[Sakuraba]

This event has got like zero momentum. I check the source every Friday to see if something interesting gets posted, but it looks like another week of random questions being asked to the creators of the tie-ins. :dry:

The only lead-ins are a hand full of panels from Time Masters and the Flash? Oh, and here's a crapload of weird ass crossover minis. Infinite crisis had years worth of stories leading the way and was a sequel to the mother of all events, Final Crisis had that horrible Countdown series but really had all of Morrison's recent work as a lead, and Blackest Night had Rebirth, Sinestro Corps, 70+ tight issues of GL and GLC as well as being the payoff to an obscure throwaway story from 30 years prior. Those events had some hype.

Where's the momentum for Flashpoint? I'm thinking it's actually a good thing, but it's still a bit puzzling.

[Drz]

Flash's own title has been the "road to Flashpoint" and it's a top selling title so i'd say theres some knowledge of leading up to it, certainly more than Fraction's Thor arc with Fear Itself.

Flash Point is ultimately very new friendly event, the most new friendly that Geoff Johns has written according to his own words, all you need to know is that the Zoom ruined continuity and Barry Allen the good cop and Batman the detective are the two central characters with Superman and Cyborg playing a vital role too. Really it's a Flash+Batman team up event in Brave and Bold style. Barry's and Bruce's friendship is one of the most underdeveloped things out there and these two have some great potential, here's a post from CBR forums that i found highly interesting:
1. More than any of their other Justice League colleagues, Bruce and Barry are knowledgeable about the forensic science side of crimefighting. Somewhere, I read a throwaway remark that Bruce and Barry used to spend *hours* "talking shop" about scientific crime investigation methods...understandable and reasonable considering how both of them are very knowledgeable about and intensely interested in this discipline.

2. Bruce (as demonstrated in his almost worshipful disposition to good cops such as Jim Gordon) has a deep respect for scrupulous lawmen...and that's what Barry Allen is as both a police scientist and as the Flash: the most scrupulous of lawmen (for the same reason, Bruce probably also should have had a great sense of respect for the Katar Hol Hawkman).

3. Both of them have shared the great experience of having successfully mentored young sidekicks (Dick Grayson and Wally West) into great adult heroes in their own right, who have honorably and nobly taken on their mantles.

4. Somewhere along the way, Bruce wrote into one of his journals that Barry Allen was the man he would have liked to become if not for the tragedy of his parents' murder (wonder how this statement plays out now with Barry's new and much-derided "new" origin).

5. Among all of the people Barry had known during his life, Batman was the last person who saw him alive during the Crisis. I still think that when Barry appeared before Batman (and the Joker) in COIE, it wasn't just a coincidence (it's a big Multiverse; why would the dying Flash manifest himself in modern day Earth-One's Gotham City of all places?): Barry knew he was dying and he didn't have much time to warn his fellow heroes, so if there's only person in the entire Multiverse you could deliver a quick and cryptic message to, who should that person be? The World's Greatest Detective, naturally. I think Barry was relying on Bruce to figure it out and warn the others because he *knew* that if anybody could figure out what was going on, it'd be Bruce.

6. In THE LIGHTNING SAGA, Bruce hoped that Barry would reemerge and seemed slightly disappointed when it was "only" Wally. Following up on this point, we really haven't seen Bruce's reaction since his return from his time trip to Barry Allen's return. Was Bruce surprised to see Barry alive again? That story is yet to be told.

But really don't worry we'll soon get #1 preview and plenty of comics have had 1 page ads for Flashpoint itself.

[Sakuraba]

I'm not saying it's good or bad, though I did say that it might be a good thing. There's just not a lot about this build up that would work to get someone excited.

[Tron Bonne]

I'm sure just being 'the event' of DC for the year will be enough to propel it to the top of the charts in the end. I guess it's hard to really build up to something like this within the books themselves.

[Drz]

Geoff Johns and Andy Kubert doing Batman and Flash is more than enough self promotion, no worries.

[Mystirious]

I'mma going to ship Batman and Barry Allen together after reading Drz's post :atp:

[HighFivingMF]

I'mma going to ship Batman and Barry Allen together after reading Drz's post :atp:
:dry: Poor Iris.

[Mystirious]

Iris will be fine it is Carol Ferris who she really loves

They have been getting it on for years :up:

[Drz]

No but honestly there is a good combonation of a Good cop + Nasty Detective element here that should be used, imagen a Batman and Barry Allen Flash movie? Bradley Cooper as Barry Allen obviously.

[Mystirious]

I'm imagining that movie right now :ninja:

[Nightwing]

No but honestly there is a good combonation of a Good cop + Nasty Detective element here that should be used, imagen a Batman and Barry Allen Flash movie? Bradley Cooper as Barry Allen obviously.
Yes please. :awesome:

[SuperFerret]

:dry: Poor Iris.

Poor Batman.


I'd imagine that friction would be a cruel mistress.

[Mystirious]

Don't worry about Batman he hooks up with Catwoman all the time he obviously likes it rough :up:

[hippie_hunter]

It has a fab cover but it sounds like it is going to be part of that awful Wonder Woman and the Furies story

I'm sorry but anything by DnA is guaranteed to be awesome.

[hippie_hunter]

i think everyone thinks johns disliked batman because he had GL punch him in Rebirth. people need to realize that action stems from hal and bruce's head butting personalities and history of the characters....and not an extension of johns' feelings about the character.

on a different note....this whole flashpoint is coming off as a very marvel-esque event....which im cautious of.
I think it comes more from Johns consistently writing Batman like a total dick in Infinite Crisis, Green Lantern, the Flash, and Teen Titans.

[Mystirious]

But they are writing Wonder Woman and the Amazons as psychos

That sounds like it will suck to me :csad:

[Drz]

I think it comes more from Johns consistently writing Batman like a total dick in Infinite Crisis, Green Lantern, the Flash, and Teen Titans.

Ofcourse because of all the trust issues that we're going on just like with Brian Azzarello and his Superman, but then you look at Brightest Day and you see Batman being dick to the ones rightfully deserved: Criminal scums.

Ultimately the dickish Batman is quite popular to this day, considering David Finch's Dark Knight has outsold Morrison's Batman Inc twice now. :p

[Mystirious]

This makes me :csad:

Batman Inc is so much better than Dark Knight

[hippie_hunter]

Ofcourse because of all the trust issues that we're going on just like with Brian Azzarello and his Superman, but then you look at Brightest Day and you see Batman being dick to the ones rightfully deserved: Criminal scums.
Johns has typically written Batman like a dick. From taking Batman's dislike to Hal Jordan to new levels, going after Wally after Jack Drake's death, taking part in the JLA's assault on the Teen Titans, to telling Superman that he's only been inspiring when he was dead, etc.

Ultimately the dickish Batman is quite popular to this day, considering David Finch's Dark Knight has outsold Morrison's Batman Inc twice now. :p
Thankfully, the other Batman books are pretty much ignoring it.

[hippie_hunter]

But they are writing Wonder Woman and the Amazons as psychos
But it's an alternate timeline where Batman is a criminal, Superman is a government science project, Deathstroke is a pirate, Aquaman is Namor2, Hal Jordan never became a Green Lantern, etc. I'm okay with psycho Amazons in this scenario as opposed to being psycho for absolutely no reason at all.

That sounds like it will suck to me :csad:
Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning. 'Nuff said for me.

[Drz]

Johns has typically written Batman like a dick. From taking Batman's dislike to Hal Jordan to new levels, going after Wally after Jack Drake's death, taking part in the JLA's assault on the Teen Titans, to telling Superman that he's only been inspiring when he was dead, etc.

And again all are pretty much there due to the character's mess that came during all that trauma, the very same trauama that Morrison used and had Batman go thru demon slaying and meditation to killing off the corruption inside him to get back in his prime health.


Thankfully, the other Batman books are pretty much ignoring it.

How so? I don't think it's that bad even tho it was really silly how Finch went with "the amulet made him do it" when he had Bruce go all crazy on Penquin. Batman Inc is pretty self contained aswell outside writers just now writing how Batman is in Japan. :p

[Mystirious]

But it's an alternate timeline where Batman is a criminal, Superman is a government science project, Deathstroke is a pirate, Aquaman is Namor2, Hal Jordan never became a Green Lantern, etc. I'm okay with psycho Amazons in this scenario as opposed to being psycho for absolutely no reason at all.


None of that sounds very interesting to me either


Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning. 'Nuff said for me.

Fair enough I hope you like it hippie_hunter

I dug Annihilation and their Transformers comicbooks have been neat but them writing this is not reason enough for me to buy it

But I hope you enjoy it :up:

[hippie_hunter]

None of that sounds very interesting to me either



Fair enough I hope you like it hippie_hunter

I dug Annihilation and their Transformers comicbooks have been neat but them writing this is not reason enough for me to buy it

But I hope you enjoy it :up:

Typically I would have passed on Wonder Woman and the Furies, but when they announced DnA on the book, well that was a guarantee for me to buy it. You've really gotta try really hard not to get me to buy a DnA book.....like when Marvel put them on ****ing Iron Man/Thor! Seriously who was asking for that :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

And again all are pretty much there due to the character's mess that came during all that trauma, the very same trauama that Morrison used and had Batman go thru demon slaying and meditation to killing off the corruption inside him to get back in his prime health.
Yeah, there was trauma, but it still doesn't change the fact that Johns made Batman an utterly unlikeable dick.

Morrison's Batman, not so much a dick.

How so? I don't think it's that bad even tho it was really silly how Finch went with "the amulet made him do it" when he had Bruce go all crazy on Penquin. Batman Inc is pretty self contained aswell outside writers just now writing how Batman is in Japan. :p
Have you seen anyone reference to what is going on with Batman: The Dark Knight. And while Batman, Inc. is self-contained, like any good comic should, it still sets the path of which the Batman titles are taking.

[Cain]

It doesn't help Johns' case that the Batman that will be used for this story at least based on the implications of the released art will be another relentless and unapologetic dick. Right in line with his depictions in IC and GL, I mean having Barry strapped to an electric chair with Batman pulling the switch? LOL

We'll see though.

[hippie_hunter]

It doesn't help Johns' case that the Batman that will be used for this story at least based on the implications of the released art will be another relentless and unapologetic dick. Right in line with his depictions in IC and GL, I mean having Barry strapped to an electric chair with Batman pulling the switch? LOL

We'll see though.

But this is a Batman through an altered timeline. I'll let that pass.

[Cain]

How so? I don't think it's that bad even tho it was really silly how Finch went with "the amulet made him do it" when he had Bruce go all crazy on Penquin. Batman Inc is pretty self contained aswell outside writers just now writing how Batman is in Japan. :p

Well I don't read that garbage and read every other major bat book on the market pretty much and I have yet to see anything addressing anything that I HAVEN'T read yet. So yeah it does seem that no other bat book at this point is even acknowledging TDK.

[Cain]

But this is a Batman through an altered timeline. I'll let that pass.

I hope when there is the eventual "oh **** Flash is right things are indeed wonky" realization by this particular Batman that he does indeed fall in line more with the current team playing zen detective and Johns shuts everybody up. I truly truly do.

[Mystirious]

Typically I would have passed on Wonder Woman and the Furies, but when they announced DnA on the book, well that was a guarantee for me to buy it. You've really gotta try really hard not to get me to buy a DnA book.....like when Marvel put them on ****ing Iron Man/Thor! Seriously who was asking for that :cmad:

Awwwww why no love for Thor hippie_hunter

What did you think of Guardians of the Galaxy

[Drz]

Well I don't read that garbage and read every other major bat book on the market pretty much and I have yet to see anything addressing anything that I HAVEN'T read yet. So yeah it does seem that no other bat book at this point is even acknowledging TDK.

It probably works this way due to the series being lol coming when ever Finch can get an issue done, which is only going to be 3 whole issues and then thats it. :p

PS. Cain how are you doing btw?! :) Enjoying Batman Inc and other stuff i hope? :) Excited for some outrageous Aquaman ongoing?! :)

[Mystirious]

Everyone loves Batman Inc what is there not to love

It has fun stories fab guest stars and great art

And Lord Death Man :up:

[Cain]

It probably works this way due to the series being lol coming when ever Finch can get an issue done, which is only going to be 3 whole issues and then thats it. :p

PS. Cain how are you doing btw?! :) Enjoying Batman Inc and other stuff i hope? :) Excited for some outrageous Aquaman ongoing?! :)

Hey Drz long time no see bro, you don't even show up by the bat boards anymore lol

@ the bold: that is insanely funny. Have they announced a followup creative team? cause I doubt they'll just can the title altogether considering the sales. Depending on who takes over I may add it the pull list for a couple of months out of curiosity. I just didn't like the writing on issue 1 at all so to hell with Finch.

Inc. has been solid. The flashback in the last issue was pure gold. Oh and that ending with Bruce rescuing the blind kids and about to put Sombrero through the shock of his life actually made me jump in the air like a lunatic cause of it's awesomeness.

To be honest the bat family line in general has been firing on all cylinders to me. Miller's Batgirl is just phenomenal which is crazy to say considering I was never a Steph fan. Nicieza has helped Red Robin find it's footing.

The last issue of B&R was the first since Grant left that I found overall enjoyable. No hamfisted out of character dialogues by Tomasi unlike the first 2 issues of the arc just a lot of fun. Even if he could've elaborated a bit more on the White Knight's origins the Joker scene alone was worth the read.

Looking forward to Winick's return of Jason arc. The man has finally become more than decent thanks to Generation Lost and his solid work on Power Girl. For the first time in his entire writing career I'm finally genuinely impressed. So to see him write the current Jason with Guillem March on the art is too tempting to pass up.

The best of all is 'tec though I mean wow Snyder is just knocking it out of the park every single month. It's the one bat book I wait for with bated breath every month. It's tied up there with Sweet Tooth, Booster Gold and Jonah Hex as my favorite monthly on the market today.

Yes I'm quite glad that Arthur is getting another series. I'm also happy that it has a high profile team of creators on it so maybe it will actually stand a chance at lasting a healthy amount of time. I just hope that Johns does NOT turn it into Mera and The Aqua Family feat. Arthur/Orin like Brightest Day has implied either. This is the chance to show the rest of the comic book reading world why he is such an amazing character who should be right up there with Bats & Supes in terms of recognizability and following. Like what he did with Hal, so I hope he does not blow it.

[Mystirious]

Yep most of the Bat titles are really entertaining right now. Not a fan of Dark Knight but i am liking most of the others :up:

And the Batwoman ongoing starts after Flashpoint :atp: its going to be the best comic book ever

Agree about Batgirl I did not think I would like it but Stephs series has been really fun

[Drz]

Hey Drz long time no see bro, you don't even show up by the bat boards anymore lol

Funny, thats how i see you! Keep sharing your brave and bold episode thoughts! :) Comic forum section yeah it's really quiet down there sadly.

@ the bold: that is insanely funny. Have they announced a followup creative team? cause I doubt they'll just can the title altogether considering the sales. Depending on who takes over I may add it the pull list for a couple of months out of curiosity. I just didn't like the writing on issue 1 at all so to hell with Finch.


Finch's 1st arc is 6 issues long, so after thats done we should see what happens with the creative team but Jay Fabok is gonna draw the last 3 issues of the 1st arc.

Inc. has been solid. The flashback in the last issue was pure gold. Oh and that ending with Bruce rescuing the blind kids and about to put Sombrero through the shock of his life actually made me jump in the air like a lunatic cause of it's awesomeness.

Did you notice the clues that the original Batwoman might be Scorpiana? Added with the Shakespeare's Othello comparison with Batman Inc's conclusion, will we see Bruce go all sad if the bad guy murders the original Batwoman?

To be honest the bat family line in general has been firing on all cylinders to me. Miller's Batgirl is just phenomenal which is crazy to say considering I was never a Steph fan. Nicieza has helped Red Robin find it's footing.


Yeah those two books are in good hands and Steph being in Batman Inc might boost her fanbase.

The last issue of B&R was the first since Grant left that I found overall enjoyable. No hamfisted out of character dialogues by Tomasi unlike the first 2 issues of the arc just a lot of fun. Even if he could've elaborated a bit more on the White Knight's origins the Joker scene alone was worth the read.


The White Knight was a great new villain and kept with the David Lynch meets Batman theme, but yeah really excited for Jason Todd teaming up with Gotham's Dynamic DUo.

The best of all is 'tec though I mean wow Snyder is just knocking it out of the park every single month. It's the one bat book I wait for with bated breath every month. It's tied up there with Sweet Tooth, Booster Gold and Jonah Hex as my favorite monthly on the market today.


Yeah Snyder's work is getting more and more exciting, especially with James Gordon Junior meeting up with the Joker and the big story arc Snyder has planned up with Gates of Gotham and whatnot.

Yes I'm quite glad that Arthur is getting another series. I'm also happy that it has a high profile team of creators on it so maybe it will actually stand a chance at lasting a healthy amount of time. I just hope that Johns does NOT turn it into Mera and The Aqua Family feat. Arthur/Orin like Brightest Day has implied either. This is the chance to show the rest of the comic book reading world why he is such an amazing character who should be right up there with Bats & Supes in terms of recognizability and following. Like what he did with Hal, so I hope he does not blow it.

Yep.:word:

[Mystirious]

What makes you think Kathy is Scorpiana Drz

[hippie_hunter]

Awwwww why no love for Thor hippie_hunter
I love Thor, I buy Thor. I buy Invincible Iron Man. I have no desire to read a Thor/Iron Man book. Or any of the other unnecessary Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America books that are plaguing the market.

What did you think of Guardians of the Galaxy
Loooooooooooooooooooooove it! Like I said, you literally have to try and not get me to buy books written by DnA.

[Mystirious]

I really dug it too until the last few issues. Did not like what they did with Thanos hated what they did to poor Phyla and was not keen on how the series ended

But I really dig most of their comic books too :up:

[Drz]

Scott Snyder talks Project Superman! Flashpoint tie-in! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32104)

He pretty much confirms Cyborg and Lex Luthor having small involvements one way or another here while also talking about how exciting Geoff Johns Flashpoint is and how iconic characters have change drastically even tho apparently the changes are small, such as Superman not being raised by the Kents.

Dan Abnett talks about Wonder Woman and Lois Lane Flashpoint tie-ins! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32105)

Both take place in London wheres Diana's story is more flashback related and Lois Lane story takes on the "present Flashpoint" world timeline. Aquaman and Diana are at war with each other and Lois Lane and the Resistance want to get rid of the Amazons from Great Britain. In Flashpoint world the amazons are like the amazons of the myth, fierce and brutal and this is due to them being at constant wars and never really having years of peace and utopia, we'll also get invisible jets!

[Tron Bonne]

Well, at least they acknowledge that the DCU Amazons aren't like that, thought they basically are nowadays, anyway.

[Mystirious]

I really hope that after Odyssey the Amazons are more like the ones from the Marston Perez and Jiminez comic books and less like the bloodthirsty lunatics in Flashpoint

[Watchman]

Peter Milligan talks Secret Seven (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32099)

[TheCorpulent1]

I love Thor, I buy Thor. I buy Invincible Iron Man. I have no desire to read a Thor/Iron Man book. Or any of the other unnecessary Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America books that are plaguing the market.
You didn't miss much.

[CrazyKnuckles]

Road To Flashpoint has been pretty interesting so far, I hope the actual event is a good one.

[Mystirious]

Peter Milligan talks Secret Seven (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32099)

Sounds pretty interesting though I cannot imagine i will be buying any flashpoint tie ins

I might read this one and see what i think of it

[Tron Bonne]

I don't have much interest in the main event, but think I will have to end up getting that tie-in. Shade the Changing man and Amethyst? Win.

[Mystirious]

Yep that is how I am feeling right now Sailor V :up:

I dont like the sound of Flashpoint but i like the sound of a mini series about Shade and Amethyst

Amethyst needs more love :hrt:

[Panthro]

Hmm, this or Marvel's Fear Itself... this or Marvel's Fear Itself... I think a crazy time travel/time distortion story with Flash sounds more fun than this Fear thing Marvel's pushing.

[Mystirious]

Although Fear Itself has hawt warrior ladies with magic hammers

You have to dig that :up:

[Hush]

Can someone fill me in on what has happened in Flash Comics so that I may read Flashpoint having some understanding?

[Mystirious]

Professor Zoom has come back to life and has decide to taffy history. That's all the essential bqckstory you need really :up:

Zoom is messing with the timeline of the DCU changing peoples pasts

[Hush]

That is retarded if the plot is as simple as that.

[Tron Bonne]

Is it? I mean, that's what Zoom kind of does...seems pretty in line for this kind of story to me.

[Hush]

I know but to bas a whole event around it? I mean just one guy whom The Flash has beaten single handedly several times? I just don't see how you can base what looks to be a HUGE event on this one guy.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is it? I mean, that's what Zoom kind of does...seems pretty in line for this kind of story to me.
Well, that's what he's done every time Johns has written him so far. Waid had him try to steal Barry's identity. That was fun.

[Mystirious]

I dug that story :up:

Zoom was Tom Cruise Crazy in that one and way more imaginative than just constantly messing with the timeline

[Franklin Richards]

I know but to bas a whole event around it? I mean just one guy whom The Flash has beaten single handedly several times? I just don't see how you can base what looks to be a HUGE event on this one guy.

I give you Black Hand.


I think every Blackest Night / Brightest Day story has prolly stemmed from him.


And that's a crappy example. Thanos and Doom are Event Worthy villains. If a writer had the balls not to mention his name until the end of the story, I'd say the same thing about Loki.

Magneto on the other hand doesn't have the chutzpah if ya ask me.


Brainiac is big enough. So's Ra's Al Ghul.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Panthro]

Although Fear Itself has hawt warrior ladies with magic hammers

You have to dig that :up:
I can find that anywhere on line. :cwink:

[Mystirious]

Fair point :hehe:

[The Morningstar]

Considering this title is called "Flash" it sure as hell isn't going anywhere. I don't think i've seen decompression this bad since... well, ever.

[Tron Bonne]

Haven't read the newer issues, but I read the first trade and yeah, the decompression was pretty steep.

[Mystirious]

I have only read the odd issue but i got the impression the plot took forever to go anywhere

[Drz]

Newsarama has an exclusive interview on Batman: Knight of Vengeance! (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/flashpoint-brian-azzarello-batman-110506.html)

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/05/fpbatmankov.jpg
- He's older than the Batman we know.
- He's more "bad-ass" and angry.
- His casino funds his crimefighting. So all the criminal scum who spent their time on the casino are practically funding Batman.
- His villains include many of the same names, but they're very different in this universe. Joker, Catwoman, Killer Croc and Penguin are confirmed villains.
- Gotham is very different too. James Gordon and the GDPC are privitized by Batman.

Basic pitch is that the this is a nasty Batman who only cares about Gotham and is dedicated into "saving it" while being morally bankrupt more or less, being a brilliant tactician instead of the world's greatest detective, but we know Batman and Flash will ultimately team up, the mini-series is pretty much Azzarello fleshing out the Gotham and it's inhabitants in this mini-series and showing why this Batman is badass.

[TheCorpulent1]

Flashpoint Batman: 20% more of a dick than regular Batman. :up:

[Mystirious]

That sounds awful :csad:

Don't think i am going to buy Batman: Knight of Vengeance. Batman being a dbag doesnt really interest me

Unless its funny like on those old silver age covers where he and Superman are having a private contest to see who can be the bigger **** to their friends and loved ones

[Drz]

Flashpoint Batman: 20% more of a dick than regular Batman. :up:

Azzarello made Batman an outright villain in Joker. :p It's much more than 20%.

Tony Bedard talks Emperor Aquaman! (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/flashpoint-tony-bedard-emperor-aquaman-110506.html)
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/05/fp_ea_1_mera_colors.jpg
Flashpoint Aquaman once had a relationship with Wonder Woman, and they were even "willing to give marriage a go for the sake of both their homelands."
- Something happened to change their feelings, and now they have "white-hot hatred" for each other.
- This version of the character is "scarred" and "embittered," although he feels conflicted about what he's doing in the war.
- Atlantis vs. Amazons is obviously a huge central thing in Flashpoint, the mini touches upon Aquaman's character and so forth.
- Aquaman is ruthless due to the attempt murder in his life and while Tom Curry tried to teach him the right morals and whatnot, the attempted murders left big scars to him.
- Aquaman and Wonder Woman hate each other and blame each other for their biggest losses, so are we to understand Mera and Hippolyta somehow died due to these two? Oh and before this tragic they we're both willing to get married for the sake of their people, not true love.
- Emperor Aquaman is definitely a darker mirror version of "our" Aquaman, but he isn't a heartless monster. He feels conflicted and guilty and everything else you might expect. But he's gone so far over the line that now there's no going back.

[TheCorpulent1]

Flashpoint Aquaman: 60% more of a dick than regular Aquaman.

[Anubis]

Still......not quite Namor level dick.

[SuperFerret]

That is retarded if the plot is as simple as that.

Simple plots work best and are simply not retarded.

Examples:

Destroy the one ring.
Overthrow the Evil Empire.
Stop the Nazis from taking the Lost Ark.
etc.
etc.

[Mystirious]

Still......not quite Namor level dick.

No one is as bad as Namor

No one

[The Morningstar]

Namor is a funny dick though.

[Mystirious]

Sometimes he is sometimes he's just a jerk

[Superman_]

Simple plots work best and are simply not retarded.

Examples:

Destroy the one ring.
Overthrow the Evil Empire.
Stop the Nazis from taking the Lost Ark.
etc.
etc.But that one was pointless. If you had just let them have the ark in the first place. Then you would have saved yourself the trouble because the end result would have been the same only in one ending you might have taken out Hitler as well.

[SuperFerret]

But that one was pointless. If you had just let them have the ark in the first place. Then you would have saved yourself the trouble because the end result would have been the same only in one ending you might have taken out Hitler as well.

It's still the plot of that movie and that movie was awesome.

[Mystirious]

It's definitely my favouritest of the Indiana Jones films :up:

[Superman_]

It's still the plot of that movie and that movie was awesome.
Oh don't get me wrong it is my favorite of the series but I am just saying take him out of the movie and the result would have still bee the same.

[Drz]

writer J.T. Krul tosses Boston Brand and Dick Grayson into the center of the ring. We reached out to J.T. for some initial thoughts on the series:

“Getting a chance to write Boston Brand and Dick Grayson in their original element - the circus - was reason enough to sign for the FLASHPOINT project. But there was another perk - research. This story gave me the opportunity to interview a real trapeze artist who spent time with a traveling circus and now instructs others in the craft. Richie Gaona not only offered some insight into the heart and mind of a trapeze artist, but he also gave me the chance to actually try it for myself. True, I was harnessed in the whole time, but I climbed the ladder, grabbed the bar, and took a swing. It was awesome. Although, I probably won’t have Dick or Boston squealing in fear like I was. They live up in the air.”

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[SuperFerret]

Oh don't get me wrong it is my favorite of the series but I am just saying take him out of the movie and the result would have still bee the same.

Doesn't matter, as that's not the point I'm arguing.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Oh don't get me wrong it is my favorite of the series but I am just saying take him out of the movie and the result would have still bee the same.

hmmm....not sure about that one, let's say the ark was opened in Germany in front of Hitler as you say, and everyone in the room was decimated, the lid went back on etc. The Nazis could then have just selected a new leader, and the ark would still be in the hands of evil, what would happen if someone tried to destroy the ark? Who knows, maybe something worse than what happened, maybe a lot of innocent people would have died as a result of that, or the Nazis tampering with it in some other way. Maybe they could have researched a different ritual to use it differently, harness it's power.

Because, what happens in the movie, is Indy is selected, like in Tod, as a champion of God, the chosen one to get the ark where God wants it, and God doesn't even want it in a museum, or studied, like Indy or Marcus wanted, God wants it stuck in a crate and kept in Area 51 by the U.S. govenrment. It's still there, untouched and untampered with, by the 50s anyway(as seen in KOTCS), so we can safely assume that God's plan was to just have it put in a safe place where no-one would mess with it.

I watched Raiders for the first time in about 4yrs the other week, and man, it was so good to see it that fresh, a perfect movie, esp the ending.
I also got a right good laugh out of that scene with the guy who wants the big elaborate battle, who Indy just casually shoots. I saw that gag so many times growing up I would end up just give it a wee smile and acknowledge it as a classic moment, so seeing it again after so many years unleashed the gut laugh again.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, looks like trusty probably had it right if that Aquaman cover is what it seems, since the helmet Mera is wearing is the same one Wonder Woman is wearing. Unless that's not Mera or some ****.

[The Morningstar]

JT Krul...

bwahahahahahahaha

How does that guy get work?

[Mystirious]

Well, looks like trusty probably had it right if that Aquaman cover is what it seems, since the helmet Mera is wearing is the same one Wonder Woman is wearing. Unless that's not Mera or some ****.

And that really is terrible :csad:

Wonder Woman as a psycho who loots the bodies of her enemies gives me Brooklyn Rage :dry:

[Thebumwhowalks]

This is all so simple really, when you get into the head of Aquaman and know what has been going on, or are Aquaman.

As we all knew back in the day Aquaman was not that into WW on that level, once she was revealed in reality, not trying to be nasty, just being honest, this was a point of contention in the relationship, and everyone knew it.
So, what happened after he fell in love in Mera(with extra large helpings of lust, as Mera was his dream type physically), and broke up with WW, was that Mera and all her friends kept going on about WW, how Aquaman should not even be thinking about her/feeling sorry for her, she was a crazy bad guy, they were going on and on and on and on about it, when to Aquaman it was really a non-issue, he was not into her anymore at all, even the good memories were tarnished forever when Mera revealed to him that WW had been playing with him all along. And he destroyed all his mementos from that relationship.
So, they built her up into this forbidden creature, it became more of an abstact thing in Aquaman'a mind, rather than anything to do with the real person, and even then, when he finally confronted the issue, afterwards, he felt nothing for WW, nothing in the physical attraction stakes, and more importantly, nothing in the 'forbidden fruit' aspect either, he realized it was just a lot of sh***, and that to him WW was now just another female out there.

Whereas, Mera is his perfect type, in love and in lust, no question in his sexual psyche at all, cause he knows it all know, he knows what is going on inside himself. He just has to wait until others realise this too. WW and her friends might think they scored some victory out of this, but no, in fact the opposite happened, what happened was Aquaman finally confronted all those WW issues that have been brought up all this time since he got with Mera, and he is comfortable now in the fact that it was just a big bag of nothing. He has no love(never did anyway since he fell in love with Mera), lust(never really had in the first place), or most importantly, the forbidden fruit crap attached to that ex at all now. That is that, non-issue, Mera and her friends can go on about it if they want, but he is not going to go on about it anymore, for him, every possible thought or confusion that may have been brought up during the course of the discussions by Mera and her friends during the beginnings of his marriage to Mera are gone now, or even when WW and her friends were trying headmess him into thinking he still had any kind of important feelings for her still, all that bs has been destroyed now too, he knows the truth and that is that is that is that!

[Drz]

Next week it begins. $3.99 for extra sized issues drawn by Andy Kubert and written by Geoff Johns featuring Barry Allen and Batman going all buddy cop and saving the world, what more could a fan possible ask?! :)
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[Mystirious]

The Amazons slaughtering those innocent people makes me :csad: at how out of character it is

[HighFivingMF]

The Amazons slaughtering those innocent people makes me :csad: at how out of character it is

I think it's absolutely in character since they're... different characters. :oldrazz:

Just like Superman: Earth One. The only similarities will be the names and maybe the costumes.

[SuperFerret]

hmmm....not sure about that one, let's say the ark was opened in Germany in front of Hitler as you say, and everyone in the room was decimated, the lid went back on etc. The Nazis could then have just selected a new leader, and the ark would still be in the hands of evil, what would happen if someone tried to destroy the ark? Who knows, maybe something worse than what happened, maybe a lot of innocent people would have died as a result of that, or the Nazis tampering with it in some other way. Maybe they could have researched a different ritual to use it differently, harness it's power.

Because, what happens in the movie, is Indy is selected, like in Tod, as a champion of God, the chosen one to get the ark where God wants it, and God doesn't even want it in a museum, or studied, like Indy or Marcus wanted, God wants it stuck in a crate and kept in Area 51 by the U.S. govenrment. It's still there, untouched and untampered with, by the 50s anyway(as seen in KOTCS), so we can safely assume that God's plan was to just have it put in a safe place where no-one would mess with it.

I watched Raiders for the first time in about 4yrs the other week, and man, it was so good to see it that fresh, a perfect movie, esp the ending.
I also got a right good laugh out of that scene with the guy who wants the big elaborate battle, who Indy just casually shoots. I saw that gag so many times growing up I would end up just give it a wee smile and acknowledge it as a classic moment, so seeing it again after so many years unleashed the gut laugh again.

That's really nice and all, but it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

[Drz]

I think it's absolutely in character since they're... different characters. :oldrazz:

Exactly. It's so ridicilous when people complain about elseworld characters being different from mainstream.

[Thebumwhowalks]

That's really nice and all, but it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

I wasn't referring to your point at all, just the one raised by the other poster on how Indy's role in the film was irrelevant, when it was not.

[Watchman]

Batman is about it give Barry the Vulcan nerve pinch to get him to stop whining.

[Mystirious]

Batman is actually half Vulcan :ninja:

[hippie_hunter]

The Amazons slaughtering those innocent people makes me :csad: at how out of character it is
But it's not really out of character when they're set in an altered universe where the timeline is wrong. Amazons Attack where the slaughter innocent people for no reason at all....now that's out of character.

[Mystirious]

I just cannot imagine any reason why Wonder Woman or the Amazons would act that way

[Primal Slayer]

You know what would be somewhat nice? If they didnt have to semirely on Batman or Superman to get them out of a crisis.

[HighFivingMF]

You know what would be somewhat nice? If they didnt have to semirely on Batman or Superman to get them out of a crisis.

Blackest Night, Superman turned into a Black Lantern and Batman didn't even show up.

[hippie_hunter]

I just cannot imagine any reason why Wonder Woman or the Amazons would act that way

Because it's an altered timeline where the Amazons are far more warlike. That's the reason, plain and simple. It's not like the Amazons are regularly like this, it's that some villain has turned them into this. Think of it like how Darkseid turned Wonder Woman into a Female Fury or Nekron turned her into a Black Lantern.

[Drz]

You know what would be somewhat nice? If they didnt have to semirely on Batman or Superman to get them out of a crisis.

Batman hasn't been a major player in an event for ages. He had a big scene in one issue of Finan Crisis but he was far from even being a supporting character. Blackest Night didn't even have Bruce outside of a clone corpse.

Really this is a welcomed thing to finally have Batman doing something big and it makes sense that the best cop out there would team up with the best detective, what we need is Wonder Woman being a prime hero, she was a villain mostly in Final Crisis, a supporting character in Blackest Night and her role so far is uncertain in Flashpoint how much impact she has on the main title.

[Tron Bonne]

But it's not really out of character when they're set in an altered universe where the timeline is wrong. Amazons Attack where the slaughter innocent people for no reason at all....now that's out of character.

Yeah, but I think one of the problems is that this invokes Amazons Attack, and since this will be the third time we've had to go through this bit it's pretty gut wrenching for any fan, Elseworlds or otherwise.

[Primal Slayer]

So I wonder how they make such a big mistake when coloring a character, but atleast they got it straight in the end
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[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, looks like somebody didn't notice Jesse Quick was already colored.

I kind of hate that she's wearing her dad's costume now, though. Her mom's looked better, plus I liked that she was acknowledging both sides of her heritage.

[fifthfiend]

I like how they had to make everyone else a more drab shade of red in yet another failed attempt to make Barry Allen seem exciting.

[TheCorpulent1]

They also had to hide half of Wally behind him so readers wouldn't notice that Wally's Flash costume is still totally better than Barry's. :oldrazz:

[fifthfiend]

You know what would be a great Flash Event, would be a Flash Event where Barry Allen suddenly goes "Wait, I'm not really a good character at all, also, Wally knows like a million times more about the speed force than I do and is a much more accomplished hero. WELP, guess I'll run off into time for no particular reason and never, ever come back!"

And then Wally beats up Savitar, or something totally awesome like that.

[HighFivingMF]

I like how they had to make everyone else a more drab shade of red in yet another failed attempt to make Barry Allen seem exciting.

Yeah... That's what it was... Totally not because Barry's the one not effected by the time****.

[Tron Bonne]

Who is that member of the Flash family :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

X-S. She's Barry's granddaughter and a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes from their second continuity.

[Tron Bonne]

Oh...okay. I think I know who that is now.

[TheCorpulent1]

She's also Bart's cousin.

[Tron Bonne]

Is that the one that ran him back to life in Legion of the Three Worlds?

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... maybe? I don't actually remember Legion of 3 Worlds with that much specificity.

[Primal Slayer]

Haha, looks like somebody didn't notice Jesse Quick was already colored.

I kind of hate that she's wearing her dad's costume now, though. Her mom's looked better, plus I liked that she was acknowledging both sides of her heritage.

I HATE her speed costume. She is a grown woman and she just looks stupid in it. Dont know why they cant come up with a new one that incorprates both her parents legacies into it.

[The Morningstar]

You know what would be a great Flash Event, would be a Flash Event where Barry Allen suddenly goes "Wait, I'm not really a good character at all, also, Wally knows like a million times more about the speed force than I do and is a much more accomplished hero. WELP, guess I'll run off into time for no particular reason and never, ever come back!"

And then Wally beats up Savitar, or something totally awesome like that.

hahaha awesome.

[Panthro]

Hasn't Barry always favored a brighter shade of red in his uniform though? Giving Wally a darker shade of red just seemed a way to help differentiate him when he took over.

I admit I think the DC guys missed something when Barry returned - what if Barry didn't want to go back to being a superhero? What if, GASP, he actually wanted to retire and live quietly with his wife after being stuck in limbo for 20 some odd years (or at least consider moving to another city that didn't have a super-speedster)? At the very least you'd think he'd want to go on vacation.

[Mystirious]

Yep if I got myself killed being a superhero and then got brought back to life I wouldn't go back to being a superhero

I would go find a real job where there was less risk of being killed by space monsters

[Mystirious]

Yeah, but I think one of the problems is that this invokes Amazons Attack, and since this will be the third time we've had to go through this bit it's pretty gut wrenching for any fan, Elseworlds or otherwise.

Agreed I dont like the Amazons being portrayed as villains yet again even if it is an elseworlds

And then Wally beats up Savitar, or something totally awesome like that.

They killed off Savitar in a really dumb way in Flash Rebirth

Poor Savitar :csad:

[HighFivingMF]

Hasn't Barry always favored a brighter shade of red in his uniform though? Giving Wally a darker shade of red just seemed a way to help differentiate him when he took over.

I admit I think the DC guys missed something when Barry returned - what if Barry didn't want to go back to being a superhero? What if, GASP, he actually wanted to retire and live quietly with his wife after being stuck in limbo for 20 some odd years (or at least consider moving to another city that didn't have a super-speedster)? At the very least you'd think he'd want to go on vacation.

He is a cop after all, and his family (Including Wally! Ohmagawd guys, Wally!) sat down with him in the most recent issue of Flash to talk to him about his not slowing down. They didn't miss it, they just decided not to do it to add to the drama. Which I think will be a major point of Flashpoint, he thinks that since he's back he has all the time in the world to be a hero and spend time with Iris and Wally and get to know Bart. But then time goes wonky and he can't even do that. He even got the chance to finally meet/hang out with his Grandson and didn't spend any time with him. I think after Flashpoint is when he'll give the family a hug and catch up on The Simpsons or something.

[Superman_]

So I wonder how they make such a big mistake when coloring a character, but atleast they got it straight in the end
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkxlb7FsEH1qbujox.jpghttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkxlcd5j1Y1qbujox.jpgAnyone else wonder why Bart's not in this picture?

[HighFivingMF]

Anyone else wonder why Bart's not in this picture?

Hot Pursuit zapped him away, leading into "Kid Flash Lost".

[TheCorpulent1]

Isn't Hot Pursuit Barry?

[HighFivingMF]

Isn't Hot Pursuit Barry?

A different Barry, yes. He zapped Bart because he was from the future, which is supposed to be contributing to the time****.

[Mystirious]

:dry:

But that doesn't make any sense

[HighFivingMF]

:dry:

But that doesn't make any sense

How? The Barry from the alternate reality ended up in the main DC Universe while all of the realities and time****s are meshing together and making things nonsensical. Hot Pursuit is trying to stop it from happening because he obviously knows some things the real Barry doesn't. Bart's a kid from the future living in the past, a time**** himself.

[Mystirious]

But Bart's been living in the past for ages and it has never caused any problems

[Mystirious]

But Bart's been living in the past for ages and it has never caused any problems

[HighFivingMF]

But Bart's been living in the past for ages and it has never caused any problems

If you see one ant on the counter from time to time you don't think much of it, but when they're all over the place you spray the **** out of 'em.

[Anubis]

Nah that sounds like a plot hole to me. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, in fairness, it actually has caused problems before. His super-speed aging was the first problem, which Wally had to step in and fix so Bart didn't age to death in like ten minutes. Bart was also the only one who noticed Linda was missing after the timeline got rewritten. That was good, obviously, but also a "problem" in the sense that he only noticed because he was himself sort of unstuck in time, to steal from Vonnegut. I'm sure there's other stuff, but I don't remember anymore right now.

How? The Barry from the alternate reality ended up in the main DC Universe while all of the realities and time****s are meshing together and making things nonsensical. Hot Pursuit is trying to stop it from happening because he obviously knows some things the real Barry doesn't. Bart's a kid from the future living in the past, a time**** himself.
Oh, so Hot Pursuit is actually the Flashpoint timeline's Barry?

[HighFivingMF]

Oh, so Hot Pursuit is actually the Flashpoint timeline's Barry?

That's what I assumed, it hasn't been confirmed that he is I don't think. But he's an alternate reality's Barry, so probably.

[Panthro]

He is a cop after all, and his family (Including Wally! Ohmagawd guys, Wally!) sat down with him in the most recent issue of Flash to talk to him about his not slowing down. They didn't miss it, they just decided not to do it to add to the drama. Which I think will be a major point of Flashpoint, he thinks that since he's back he has all the time in the world to be a hero and spend time with Iris and Wally and get to know Bart. But then time goes wonky and he can't even do that. He even got the chance to finally meet/hang out with his Grandson and didn't spend any time with him. I think after Flashpoint is when he'll give the family a hug and catch up on The Simpsons or something.
I see. My bad.

[HighFivingMF]

So Flashpoint Bruce isn't a dick!

Also, in Flash #12- Hot Pursuit said he made a mistake and Bart isn't an anomaly.

[Mystirious]

So Flashpoint Bruce isn't a dick!

It's a miracle :wow:

[Flash Facts]

Bart's aging wasn't caused by time travel it was the reason they time traveled.

Barry's alter on the other should be causing anomalies since thats what happened when Walter showed up.

[DaveMoral]

It's a miracle :wow:



Flashpoint Batman is Thomas Wayne.

[Oberon sexton]

well colour me surprised i loved this issue, im definately getting the next issue, aswell as the knight of vengance mini

[Assassin]

This issue was sweeeeeeet. I want more. I'm getting all the #1's of the mini's and then go on from there.

Hot Pursuit is not the Flashpoint timeline's Flash. He's from a parallel earth.

Also, Batman looks like he's the main character :eek:

[Batman]

I have to say,
I actually didn't expect the last twist. Usually I can see that stuff coming from a million miles away, and even on the page before it, I thought that Batman meant Bruce was only dead metaphorically speaking. Barry's reaction then made me think it was Dick, only to realize that he's still apart The Flying Graysons in this universe. Then, I thought "Wait a minute, it's Damian isn't it? Oh, Jesus, it's Batman #666 all over agai-...", only to be dead wrong as I turned the page.
Well played, Johns. You slippery bastard. :o

[Assassin]

who are you and when did you become a mod?

[Frankenmation]

What, are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think he is? :oldrazz:

[Oberon sexton]

So anyone wanna make any bets on who the flashpoint version of joker is? I'm thinking joe chill....

[Superman_]

who are you and when did you become a mod?
Do you remember a while back when we had the poster named Batman_ sort of like how my name is. Well that's him. When the poster who held the username Batman gave it up he asked the mods for the name although he was a newbie ( and yes I can call him that because I've been here since the Hype's start only under a different name) at the time and most of the posters felt The_Batman should have been given the name since he was here longer ( although I'm not sure if The Batman wanted the name or not). Anyways either way it was explained that he got the name because he asked first. When he became a mod I don't know or care.

[Assassin]

Do you remember a while back when we had the poster named Batman_ sort of like how my name is. Well that's him. When the poster who held the username Batman gave it up he asked the mods for the name although he was a newbie ( and yes I can call him that because I've been here since the Hype's start only under a different name) at the time and most of the posters felt The_Batman should have been given the name since he was here longer ( although I'm not sure if The Batman wanted the name or not). Anyways either way it was explained that he got the name because he asked first. When he became a mod I don't know or care.

ahh yes, i remember we used to call him Batman space :hehe:

[HighFivingMF]

Also, Batman looks like he's the main character :eek:

They've already said it's a Flash and Batman event. I'm guessing Cyborg gets third billing, he's been on the main series' covers more than anyone but Barry and Batman. Then Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

I still think Wally is going to put on the Hot Pursuit costume. I'm probably wrong but it doesn't hurt to call it.

[Assassin]

I know it's a Brave and the Bold style book with Batman and Flash but I mean Batman's #1 in my eye if he's the narrator of the whole series :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Bart's aging wasn't caused by time travel it was the reason they time traveled.

Barry's alter on the other should be causing anomalies since thats what happened when Walter showed up.
That was explicitly stated as being because of Hypertime, wasn't it? Hypertime no longer exists.

[Mystirious]

I read the first issue of Flashpoint

It did not suck as much as I thought it would. Was really glad to see Pied Piper and Amethyst appear and Shade the Changing Man

I :hrt: those characters

Citizen Cold is an unlikable dbag though hoping he gets killed off

And the plot didn't really hold my interest. Still it wasnt absolutely awful and i might read future issues

[The Batman]

Do you remember a while back when we had the poster named Batman_ sort of like how my name is. Well that's him. When the poster who held the username Batman gave it up he asked the mods for the name although he was a newbie ( and yes I can call him that because I've been here since the Hype's start only under a different name) at the time and most of the posters felt The_Batman should have been given the name since he was here longer ( although I'm not sure if The Batman wanted the name or not). Anyways either way it was explained that he got the name because he asked first. When he became a mod I don't know or care.

Oh, I did want the name...even asked Dew for it. She gave me some type of reason for why I couldnt have it...next thing I know Batman_ got it.

Oh well. "The Batman" sounds cooler, lol.

[Superman_]

Oh, I did want the name...even asked Dew for it. She gave me some type of reason for why I couldnt have it...next thing I know Batman_ got it.

Oh well. "The Batman" sounds cooler, lol.That's what I thought. Oh well thats why I learned after a while never to ask Dew for anything always go to The Hitman (Malice) when you need something or Daisy :( :(.

[flash13]

Read the first issue and for the first time I was interested in Barry Allen. I still want Wally back though :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Was Wally in it?

[flash13]

No, but he was mentioned briefly.

[TheCorpulent1]

:csad:

[The Batman]

That's what I thought. Oh well thats why I learned after a while never to ask Dew for anything always go to The Hitman (Malice) when you need something or Daisy :( :(.

lol, I just realized that, for all the time I've been here, I dont know mods as well as I should.

[Superman_]

Was Wally in it?

No, but he was mentioned briefly.

:csad:
Why does that not surprise me. I hope Wally plays a part in Flash point and is not erased because of the events of Flashpoint.

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt Johns would ever erase Wally. Certainly not permanently, in any case. Maybe as part of a story where Barry saves him, but that's it.

[Superman_]

I know Corp, I'm just tired of seeing Wally being pushed aside like he never even mattered. I mean since Rebirth he has been MIA and I just think that's wrong.

[TheCorpulent1]

It is kind of annoying. I'm hoping they give him a comic sooner or later. Maybe he'll do something cool in Flashpoint that'll launch him into a series...

[flash13]

I hate how DC dodges the question every time they are asked about Wally.

[TheCorpulent1]

There's gotta be some internal weirdness surrounding Wally. He was supposed to have a backup story in Barry's Flash series, then that got pulled at the last minute. Now no one seems to want to talk about Wally, period. Something's gotta be going on behind the scenes, even if it's just that editorial still isn't quite sure what the hell they want to do with Wally at this point (which is entirely possible, given how weird and often terrible DC's editorial division is).

[Hush]

Damn you all giving this good reviews makes me want to go buy it now.

[Batman]

Do you remember a while back when we had the poster named Batman_ sort of like how my name is. Well that's him. When the poster who held the username Batman gave it up he asked the mods for the name although he was a newbie ( and yes I can call him that because I've been here since the Hype's start only under a different name) at the time and most of the posters felt The_Batman should have been given the name since he was here longer ( although I'm not sure if The Batman wanted the name or not). Anyways either way it was explained that he got the name because he asked first. When he became a mod I don't know or care.

Actually, I used to go by Master Bruce. The guy who used to have this name changed his to Lone Wolf and asked if I wanted the name, since we knew eachother from some of the Hype games and he knew of my Bat-fandom. And I've been a mod since before the name change, so there was that.

But since nobody cares, I'll just quietly get back on topic...

I love Wally, and I agree that he got the royal shaft treatment, but I've honestly gotten over it. He has over twenty years under his belt as the primary Flash and a member of not only his own series, but different incarnations of the JLA, so I've remedied any sort of need to visit Wally again by going back and reading his many excellent runs by Waid (and Johns) over the years. As much as I hate to say it, fans of Barry Allen got equally as shafted when he originally died, and it took twenty plus years to bring him back for good, so it doesn't bother me as much that he's been thrust back into the spotlight. I mean, Wally will be back, it's only a matter of time. No retcon's going to last, no one creative team's going to keep writing The Flash. Eventually someone will come along and make things right for Wally fans like myself.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but Barry fans aren't me, so f**k them. :o

[Batman]

Yeah, but Barry fans aren't me, so f**k them. :o

:hehe:

[Superman_]

Actually, I used to go by Master Bruce. The guy who used to have this name changed his to Lone Wolf and asked if I wanted the name, since we knew eachother from some of the Hype games and he knew of my Bat-fandom. And I've been a mod since before the name change, so there was that.

But since nobody cares, I'll just quietly get back on topic...

I love Wally, and I agree that he got the royal shaft treatment, but I've honestly gotten over it. He has over twenty years under his belt as the primary Flash and a member of not only his own series, but different incarnations of the JLA, so I've remedied any sort of need to visit Wally again by going back and reading his many excellent runs by Waid (and Johns) over the years. As much as I hate to say it, fans of Barry Allen got equally as shafted when he originally died, and it took twenty plus years to bring him back for good, so it doesn't bother me as much that he's been thrust back into the spotlight. I mean, Wally will be back, it's only a matter of time. No retcon's going to last, no one creative team's going to keep writing The Flash. Eventually someone will come along and make things right for Wally fans like myself.
Once again I don't care I just think the name should have gone to The Batman but this is not the place or time for it and if I seem to remember correctly you were not a a mod before the name change. Not unless the name changed user twice.

[Batman]

If TB really wants it, he can come to me to work something out. I like the name, but everyone's pretty much told me that Master Bruce was a better handle for me.

[Mystirious]

:csad:

Dont be :csad: Corp I think he is going to be in that mini series about Bart

[TheCorpulent1]

I may check that one out, actually. More of an emphasis on characters who matter instead of their wacky alternate-universe doppelgangers. :up:

[Assassin]

Actually, I used to go by Master Bruce. The guy who used to have this name changed his to Lone Wolf and asked if I wanted the name, since we knew eachother from some of the Hype games and he knew of my Bat-fandom. And I've been a mod since before the name change, so there was that.

But since nobody cares, I'll just quietly get back on topic...

I love Wally, and I agree that he got the royal shaft treatment, but I've honestly gotten over it. He has over twenty years under his belt as the primary Flash and a member of not only his own series, but different incarnations of the JLA, so I've remedied any sort of need to visit Wally again by going back and reading his many excellent runs by Waid (and Johns) over the years. As much as I hate to say it, fans of Barry Allen got equally as shafted when he originally died, and it took twenty plus years to bring him back for good, so it doesn't bother me as much that he's been thrust back into the spotlight. I mean, Wally will be back, it's only a matter of time. No retcon's going to last, no one creative team's going to keep writing The Flash. Eventually someone will come along and make things right for Wally fans like myself.
yea i knew Batman space was a newbie, like a year or so after me. I know your old name. if you're Master Bruce, that what happened to Batman space? is he died? :(

[Mystirious]

I may check that one out, actually. More of an emphasis on characters who matter instead of their wacky alternate-universe doppelgangers. :up:

:up:

It sounds like it might be sort of neat. i think I will read the first issue and see what i think of it

[Superman_]

If TB really wants it, he can come to me to work something out. I like the name, but everyone's pretty much told me that Master Bruce was a better handle for me.
If you are the Master Bruce who I use to joke with from the old SV forum then I approve of the name change. However if you're Batman_ you should give up the name.

[HighFivingMF]

Again with this Wally being written out stuff. Yeesh. He won't be written out.

[The Batman]

If TB really wants it, he can come to me to work something out. I like the name, but everyone's pretty much told me that Master Bruce was a better handle for me.

:wow:

Part of me wants to have it. The other part realizes im too much of an ******* to deserve it, lol. But I pretty much agree with Superman_. At least an old timer has it. Like Superman_, I thought Batman space still had it.

[The Batman]

Again with this Wally being written out stuff. Yeesh. He won't be written out.

This. DC wants people to get used to Barry, which wont happen if there's a Wally book out there. Kyle could easily get shipped to a GLC book cause Hal had a very strong fanbase. Here, Wally's been Flash for pretty much the entire modern age of comics. Hell, IGN just ranked him the 8th greatest comic character of all time, and Wally hasnt had a book in nearly 2 years.

Thats not to say this situation dosent suck. But I understand DC wanting to promote Barry.

[The Morningstar]

If Barry was worthwhile they wouldn't have to shunt Wally into limbo though. If he was that great a character, like Geoff Johns and Dan Didio constantly try to tell us, he'd be able to stand out on his own two feet even if there was 5 Flashes running around. But they know Wally would overshadow Barry, so they've got rid of him, basically.

[Superman_]

:wow:

Part of me wants to have it. The other part realizes im too much of an ******* to deserve it, lol. But I pretty much agree with Superman_. At least an old timer has it. Like Superman_, I thought Batman space still had it.
Hell I am just keeping this name warm till old poster Superman leaves the Hype for good. Then it will be on like Donkey Kong. I have earned the right to that name.

[Drz]

#1 Sets up for a great beginning of this summer's hottest and fastest event out there, no need for a prequel or epilogue comic and it's all 34 pages of good quality each issue for 3.99 only, try to that top competitors!

Flashpoint is nicely about emotions and worth of value, how many of these so called heroes such as Citizen Cold will care to save the timeline if it means their own glory's demise? It's nice to see Cyborg as "the" hero of this universe but he lacks charisma nor is he confident enough to be followed thru. Johns take on S.H.A.Z.A.M is so bloody brilliant i absolutely loved it, especially the design outside the über edgy scars that Diana had inflicted on him. London being New Themyscira makes me wonder did Aquaman actually sink Themyscira? HARDCORE! Aquaman and Wonder Woman both appear on the cover of #4 so i guess they will be dealt with, which is great!

Batman being the narrator of this story really reminded me of Jeph Loeb (whom Geoff Johns is a close friend to) and really with this summer event being Flash+Batman and the event being about saving the timestream, here's my guess: Batman will die in this event, yes thats right we will see the Flashpoint Batman sacrifise himself in order for Barry Allen to save the universe and fix everything, this is highly likely because when you become aware who Batman actually is and what would his biggest wish ever be? Who would he rather see alive instead of himself? ;) It's also very melodramatic and since it's Batman you will see the Bat-fans go all b'aww and praise Geoff Johns as the greatest writer ever, hey maybe that will be a good stop to all the whine about Wally West and Kyle Rayner?! :D

Still Flashpoint is off to a wonderful start, check it out everyone.

[Oberon sexton]

#1 Sets up for a great beginning of this summer's hottest and fastest event out there, no need for a prequel or epilogue comic and it's all 34 pages of good quality each issue for 3.99 only, try to that top competitors!

Flashpoint is nicely about emotions and worth of value, how many of these so called heroes such as Citizen Cold will care to save the timeline if it means their own glory's demise? It's nice to see Cyborg as "the" hero of this universe but he lacks charisma nor is he confident enough to be followed thru. Johns take on S.H.A.Z.A.M is so bloody brilliant i absolutely loved it, especially the design outside the über edgy scars that Diana had inflicted on him. London being New Themyscira makes me wonder did Aquaman actually sink Themyscira? HARDCORE! Aquaman and Wonder Woman both appear on the cover of #4 so i guess they will be dealt with, which is great!

Batman being the narrator of this story really reminded me of Jeph Loeb (whom Geoff Johns is a close friend to) and really with this summer event being Flash+Batman and the event being about saving the timestream, here's my guess: Batman will die in this event, yes thats right we will see the Flashpoint Batman sacrifise himself in order for Barry Allen to save the universe and fix everything, this is highly likely because when you become aware who Batman actually is and what would his biggest wish ever be? Who would he rather see alive instead of himself? ;) It's also very melodramatic and since it's Batman you will see the Bat-fans go all b'aww and praise Geoff Johns as the greatest writer ever, hey maybe that will be a good stop to all the whine about Wally West and Kyle Rayner?! :D

Still Flashpoint is off to a wonderful start, check it out everyone.
http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
Completely agree Drz, and you're probably right about Batman not matter how this ends, he's gonna have to sacrifice himself inorder to save the person he loves the most. this may be the best Johns written Book yet.

[Superman_]

What I want to know is what happened to Superman because in the teaser they show a baby that was sliced open and then stitched back together.

[Mystirious]

Guessing that Superman was sent to STAR labs or something like that instead of being found by the Kent's when he arrived on Earth

[Drz]

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FLASHPOINT #4-5
Written by GEOFF JOHNS
Art by ANDY KUBERT and SANDRA HOPE
Covers by ANDY KUBERT and SANDRA HOPE
1:25 Black and white variant covers A by ANDY KUBERT
Issue #4 Variant cover B by IVAN REIS and GEORGE PEREZ
Issue #5 Variant cover B by RAGS MORALES
FLASH FACT: The war between the Amazons and the Atlantians has arrived. The battles between Diana of Themsycira and Emperor Aquaman will tear this world apart - unless The Flash can fix it!
IMPORTANT NOTE: Because of its impact on the DC Universe, FLASHPOINT #5 is the only title that DC Comics is currently soliciting to arrive in stores on August 31.
Issue #4 on sale AUGUST 3
Issue #5 on sale AUGUST 31
4 and 5 of 5, 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US RATED T


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FLASH FACT: The Joker is revealed, and Batman will have to figure out whether he can pull the trigger on his lifelong nemesis.
FLASHPOINT: BATMAN - KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE #3
Written by BRIAN AZZARELLO
Art by EDUARDO RISSO
Cover by DAVE JOHNSON
On sale AUGUST 3 * 3 of 3, 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US * RATED T


I changed the Batman info by not saying who Batman is just incase someone hasn't read Flashpoint #1 yet.

[Watchman]

Please don't let the Joker be Bruce.

And no Perez on Secret Seven :down

[Superman_]

First look at Flashpoint Superman


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/144/flsppsmcv3.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

He's rather skinny. Nice to see the spit-curl transcends changes to the very timestream, though. :hehe:

[hippie_hunter]

#1 Sets up for a great beginning of this summer's hottest and fastest event out there, no need for a prequel or epilogue comic and it's all 34 pages of good quality each issue for 3.99 only, try to that top competitors!

Flashpoint is nicely about emotions and worth of value, how many of these so called heroes such as Citizen Cold will care to save the timeline if it means their own glory's demise? It's nice to see Cyborg as "the" hero of this universe but he lacks charisma nor is he confident enough to be followed thru. Johns take on S.H.A.Z.A.M is so bloody brilliant i absolutely loved it, especially the design outside the über edgy scars that Diana had inflicted on him. London being New Themyscira makes me wonder did Aquaman actually sink Themyscira? HARDCORE! Aquaman and Wonder Woman both appear on the cover of #4 so i guess they will be dealt with, which is great!

Batman being the narrator of this story really reminded me of Jeph Loeb (whom Geoff Johns is a close friend to) and really with this summer event being Flash+Batman and the event being about saving the timestream, here's my guess: Batman will die in this event, yes thats right we will see the Flashpoint Batman sacrifise himself in order for Barry Allen to save the universe and fix everything, this is highly likely because when you become aware who Batman actually is and what would his biggest wish ever be? Who would he rather see alive instead of himself? ;) It's also very melodramatic and since it's Batman you will see the Bat-fans go all b'aww and praise Geoff Johns as the greatest writer ever, hey maybe that will be a good stop to all the whine about Wally West and Kyle Rayner?! :D

Still Flashpoint is off to a wonderful start, check it out everyone.

One problem with your argument, that's not really Batman. So Bat-fans probably aren't going to go b'aww.

[HighFivingMF]

He's rather skinny. Nice to see the spit-curl transcends changes to the very timestream, though. :hehe:

I'm pretty sure he's still a kid based on the other covers. Not sure why he has an adult head though. :oldrazz:

[Drz]

One problem with your argument, that's not really Batman. So Bat-fans probably aren't going to go b'aww.

Lol i'll be holding onto you on this one, just you watch! I know melodrama and internet b'awws when i see one!

[JTStarkiller]

Please don't let the Joker be Bruce.

I thought Bruce was dead. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong (I don't have the issue in front of me), I thought Thomas said he was. Unless of course he's still alive and Thomas doesn't know.

[Mystirious]

Please don't let the Joker be Bruce.

And no Perez on Secret Seven :down

I don't think he will be the Joker

It would be a pretty obvious twist if he was

Because of its impact on the DC Universe, FLASHPOINT #5 is the only title that DC Comics is currently soliciting to arrive in stores on August 31.

:dry:

I don't like the sound of that

I really hope this has no effect on the DC universe

[Oberon sexton]

hmmmm what could this mean?... Flashpoint characters coming into the main DCU? Crisis style reboot event? Im interested, in a horrified kind of way

[Batman]

Maybe all the deaths that are caused at Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Batman's hands still remain, and those characters have to deal with the aftermath of that?
I don't know. Could be interesting, though. Sort of a way to deal with them actually going against their morale without it actually being their fault, due to the nature of the Flashpoint universe mucking things up.

[Mystirious]

hmmmm what could this mean?... Flashpoint characters coming into the main DCU? Crisis style reboot event? Im interested, in a horrified kind of way

I'm hoping that its just a lie designed to get people to buy the issue

I wouldn't mind one or two of the Flashpoint characters crossing over into the dcu but I hope this isn't going to be another reboot. That would suck

[Weedbeater]

what are the flashpoint release dates for the rest of may?

[Mystirious]

I'm pretty sure he's still a kid based on the other covers. Not sure why he has an adult head though. :oldrazz:

Steroids! :ninja:

[hippie_hunter]

Lol i'll be holding onto you on this one, just you watch! I know melodrama and internet b'awws when i see one!
Honestly, I kinda expect it though. For me b'awww moments come when you don't expect it. And this isn't the real Batman either, so it's harder to develop a genuine attraction to the character like we have with both Bruce and Dick.

[Mystirious]

And the Flashpoint Batman seems like kind of a psycho

[HighFivingMF]

And the Flashpoint Batman seems like kind of a psycho

Anybody that dresses like a bat, hides in the shadows, and beats people up is kind of a psycho.

[Mystirious]

Dressing up as a bat and fighting crime in comic books isn't that crazy but in Flashpoint Batman pushes people off rooftops

Thats pretty darn crazy

[SpideyInATree]

I just read the first issue this evening. I read Flash # 12 and Flashpoint # 1 back to back and it all seems very interesting. The reveal about Flashpoint Batman at the end I was definitely not expecting. I'm glad that I preordered that Flashpoint Batman mini because it seems he's going to be one of the main characters in this besides Barry Allen. Plus I'm going to be getting that beautiful Risso artwork. :yay:

I really didn't have too much excitement going into this event but after this issue there is a little excitement in there now. Hopefully the following issues and other tie ins I'm getting help shed some more light on what's going on.

[Drz]

Well #2 is really what went wrong as Batman and Barry Allen try to figure things out and whatnot. CBR forums had this really good theory on some possible outcomes from Flashpoint, check it out:
I am betting that coming out of Flashpoint we're going to get a new "big guns" Justice League with the following members:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Flash
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Aquaman
Hawkman
Firestorm
Cyborg

I'm betting like the poster above that somewhere near the end someone will point out "See what the world was like when we didn't have a Justice League?" and thus the big guns will bond together like never before. Cyborg is getting this prominent role because they are prepping him to be part of the team. Why do I think this? Because DC is on a big nostalgia kick and hmmm...what does this lineup look like?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/The_Super_Powers_Team.jpg

Aside from MM, this is pretty much the ultimate Superfriends lineup from around the time Geoff Johns was growing up! I'm betting this is the other reason for the particular focuses in Brightest Day!

[HighFivingMF]

Holy **** I would read the **** out of that.

[Batman]

I'd read anything not written by James Robinson.

[Panthro]

Let's face it - people were going to hate Barry and his return regardless of who was writing him. Doesn't really matter if it was Johns, Grant Morrison, Mark Waid or any of the other "big gun" writers at DC (or former big gun writers for that matter), people were going to hate him for pretty much any reason you can think of, and all of which have been mentioned thus far.

You could also argue that Barry's return simply didn't have the same story potential that Hal's had. Hal at least there was the potential for guilt ridden redemption, something Barry doesn't really have going for him since he has nothing to really be guilt ridden or redemptive about (unless you count him being pulled out of the future where his wife was born thus robbing him of his chance to raise his kids, which led to his death in Crisis on Infinite Earths).

Personally I do not hate Barry Allen as a character, I enjoyed his interactions with Hal Jordan in Blackest Night and enjoyed Dastardly Death of the Rogues, I even enjoyed him in miniseries such as JLA: Year One, Flash/GL: The Brave & The Bold, and DC: The New Frontier, but I think he keeps falling into the 'plot driven' style of writing where it's less about him as a person and more about putting him in crazy situations and watching him react to what goes on around him (most James Bond films favor this style of storytelling).

And yes, DC needs to findsome better balance of Barry & Wally now that they're operating at the same time.

[Motown Marvel]

I'd read anything not written by James Robinson.

for reals. is he still on JLA?

[The Batman]

One thing i want this event to do is bring back Wonder Woman's classic origin, complete with a younger steve trevor.

[Tron Bonne]

for reals. is he still on JLA?

Yep

One thing i want this event to do is bring back Wonder Woman's classic origin, complete with a younger steve trevor.

Well, outside the age difference and the lack of romance between the two, isn't that really the only thing that changed in her origin? Or do you mean the WWII stuff and everything?

[The Batman]

I mean the main idea of steve crashing on paradise island, and them having a contest to see who goes to mans world. its been a while since i read perez's book, but i remember it being somewhat different.

[Tron Bonne]

Ah, I see what you're saying.

[Assassin]

what's with all of the Robinson hate? dude was amazing on superman starring Mon-El and he was good on War of the Supermen. I'm not reading JLA right now because i don't care for any of the characters.

[yenaled]

I think the hates stems from Cry for Justice, which was a very questionable series.

[Mystirious]

That be the polite way to put it

But JLA is actually sort of good now. Its nowhere near as awful as Cry for Justice was though that is not saying much

I like Mikaal and the ape. Their fun :)

[yenaled]

I love Mikaal from Starman but I just didn't have enough incentive for me to read JLA.

[Mystirious]

Fair enough though the current story about Eclipso is pretty good if you decide you would like to check the comic book out again :up:

Eclipso is written as such a ham and far more fun to read than his usual evil for the sake of evil characterisation. In this story he explains that he's a villain because being an immortal he's bored and enjoys the challenge of fighting superheroes

[Anubis]

Robinson used to be awesome. He musta got whatever Loeb got.

[Oberon sexton]

the thing is...Loeb got better.

[Mystirious]

Robinson used to awesome. He musta got whatever Loeb got.

Poor Loeb :csad: he used to be a neat writer

At least Cry for Justice wasnt as bad as Ultimates 3

[Oberon sexton]

I hated his Ultimates/Ultimatum,wolverine stuff, and the first year of Red Hulk almost made me quite reading Marvel comics, but recently I think he's done some pretty good stuff with Ultimate X, and yeah even his last year on Red Hulk has actually came a long away

[Anubis]

the thing is...Loeb got better.


No the f**k he didn't.

[Oberon sexton]

C'mon whats not to love about Abomination-rick jones, a genocidal magneto and a red....she hulk?............................................. .................................................. ........:barf:
okay I couldnt do it, but still, Ultimate x is a decent series

[Anubis]

Sorry, but he's run out of chances from me.

Fool me once? Shame on me. Fool me six times? Shame on you ya damn hack! :argh:

[Oberon sexton]

meh, he hardly writes comics anymore so I guess its a moot point.

[Mystirious]

C'mon whats not to love about Abomination-rick jones, a genocidal magneto and a red....she hulk?............................................. .................................................. ........:barf:
okay I couldnt do it, but still, Ultimate x is a decent series

I dug Red She Hulk's design but the character made me make this face :dry:

Have not read Ultimate X but i might check it out. I am assuming its a new X Men series

[Oberon sexton]

yeah, I liked the look and idea of Red she Hulk being betty ross but the character was just too annoying for me to like.

and yeah it's about mutants trying to survive in the post Ultimatum world, the art and writing are both really cool. I think it's been changed to a limited series now tho, a new x series begins in september

[WolfCypher]

C'mon whats not to love about Abomination-rick jones...

We need more of A-Bomb...

[Oberon sexton]

...you're alright

[Superman_]

This first issue seemed a little slow to me. But then again maybe that's because I am not to huge on Barry.

[WolfCypher]

The 1st issue of anything usually seems slow to me, and Flashpoint wasn't an exception. However, in just the one issue of FP released, its already interested me faaar more than parts 1 & 2 of Fear Itself...

[Oberon sexton]

For me there's no comparison, Flashpoint 1# has the advantage of having an Andy Kubert drawn Batman :awesome:

[Superman_]

The 1st issue of anything usually seems slow to me, and Flashpoint wasn't an exception. However, in just the one issue of FP released, its already interested me faaar more than parts 1 & 2 of Fear Itself...
His first issue of IC wasn't and that's the standard I hold him to.

[Mystirious]

yeah, I liked the look and idea of Red she Hulk being betty ross but the character was just too annoying for me to like.

and yeah it's about mutants trying to survive in the post Ultimatum world, the art and writing are both really cool. I think it's been changed to a limited series now tho, a new x series begins in september

There's no Wolverine in this series so that's a very good reason for me to give it a :up:

[Oberon sexton]

don't like the hairy canadian Mysti? haha

[Mystirious]

Hahaha Nope not a big fan of his. I like Daken though I really dug his series written by Marjorie Liu :up:

But Wolverine just annoys me most of the time

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked him back when he was a character instead of violence with hair.

[HighFivingMF]

I like Daken though

:nono::nono:

[Oberon sexton]

I personally have a policy, never read wolverine past 1994. Dont even get me started on the avengers crap that they've got him in :whatever:

[Mystirious]

Daken getting no love from HighFivingMF

I liked him back when he was a character instead of violence with hair.

I can vaguely remember when he was a real character and not just a beer drinking ball of anger

Good times

[HighFivingMF]

I'd like it better if Daken's name was backwards... And he was a woman... And stayed faithful to her name...

[TheCorpulent1]

I want to re-read the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X arc now. :csad:

[The Morningstar]

At this point Daken is probably a more three dimensional character than Logan.

And my rule concerning Avengers is... it doesn't exist past Busieks last run on the book.

[TheCorpulent1]

Johns did some good work with them after Busiek left. "Red Zone" and all the UN stuff.

[Oberon sexton]

nekad?.......Hey wait a minute!!!! :funny:

[The Morningstar]

Johns did some good work with them after Busiek left. "Red Zone" and all the UN stuff.

Ah yea Red Zone was pretty good.

[Oberon sexton]

so anyone interested in the flashpoint:Abin sur mini?

[Assassin]

I think the hates stems from Cry for Justice, which was a very questionable series.

the impression i got from him is he didn't really have a choice on the outcome of that.

[Mystirious]

I like Robinson

I hate some of the comic books he's written but he seems nice :)

I like that their are British monkeys fighting robots in his comics. There needs to be more of that and less gore and pointless character deaths

I'd like it better if Daken's name was backwards... And he was a woman... And stayed faithful to her name...

Daken's shirtless a lot in his comics that gets a :up: from me :hehe:

[Mystirious]

I personally have a policy, never read wolverine past 1994. Dont even get me started on the avengers crap that they've got him in :whatever:


Wolverine being on the Avengers is confuzzling. He is a killer. The Avengers are supposed to be against that

In a recent issue Wolverine totally killed some poor HAMMER henchman and Spiderman The Thing and Ms Marvel werent bothered at all

What the what :dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

First issue was pretty uninteresting.

[hippie_hunter]

Daken was pretty cool during Dark Reign, before and after though....not at all.

[Mystirious]

:csad:

[HighFivingMF]

Didn't he make out with Bullseye or something?