Flashpoint

[Mystirious]

He makes out with everyone :woot:

[HighFivingMF]

Even Wolverine? :wow: And Dr. Doom? :wow:

[Franklin Richards]

Worse than that? Johnny Storm's Corpse.

:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Mystirious]

What the what :dry:

[Assassin]

Daken is gay?

[The Morningstar]

Bisexual really. He and Bullseye were squaring off one time... he lunged in... and planted a big wet one on Bullseyes lips.

I will always have a soft spot for Daken. If only because he shredded Frank Castle to pieces.

[Drz]

Daken is gay?

Pansexual i'd say, he'll screw around with anything and anyone aslong as he gets what he wants.

[Mystirious]

And that's hawt :up:

Even Wolverine? :wow: And Dr. Doom? :wow:

Who wouldn't want to make out with Doctor Doom

All that sexy metal :atp:

[Oberon sexton]

Got that right, Deveryone should get around Von Doom :woot:

[Mystirious]

I want his crazy Latverian loving :awesome:

[Oberon sexton]

I have the feeling that mid way through he'd stop and give a 4 hour speech on how much better he is than Richards, it'd be....strangely erotic

[The Morningstar]

The accursed Richards is no peer of Doom when it comes to the fine art of coitus!

[Mystirious]

I have the feeling that mid way through he'd stop and give a 4 hour speech on how much better he is than accursed Richards, it'd be....strangely erotic

Fixed that :up:

And i bet he would say 'Bah!' a lot and find some way to make a monolouge about his face and or his genius and the whole time i would be staring lustily at him in his cape

I am pretty sure i could talk Doom into a threeway with Sue Richards and me too :awesome:

[Oberon sexton]

just convince him it was his idea and he'd do it haha

[Mystirious]

:up: :woot: :up:

[Panthro]

Fixed that :up:

And i bet he would say 'Bah!' a lot and find some way to make a monolouge about his face and or his genius and the whole time i would be staring lustily at him in his cape

I am pretty sure i could talk Doom into a threeway with Sue Richards and me too :awesome:
We all know you'd rather have Sue to yourself. :cwink:

[Franklin Richards]

Everyone does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/SueRulesNamor.jpg


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Oberon sexton]

Everyone does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/SueRulesNamor.jpg


:ff: :ff: :ff:
:applaud

[hippie_hunter]

I love Hickman's Fantastic Four.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oddly enough, his FF hasn't been quite as good, though. :csad:

[Franklin Richards]

I hate to derail this thread further but the Council of Reeds VS FF's Rogue's Gallery looks fun.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[HighFivingMF]

Seeing Namor makes me want to punch every person on Earth in the soul.

[yenaled]

Oddly enough, his FF hasn't been quite as good, though. :csad:

I was actually thinking of picking up FF, guess I won't.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd still say give it a try. It's not as good but it's still not bad. Plus, it's only 3 issues in, so it may pick up.

[Anubis]

It's only been like one issue right? I dug it.

[yenaled]

Good point, I've not read Fantastic Four since Waid and I'm feeling the want, plus DC and Msrvel between them seemed to have cancelled 50% of what I read, so my pull list is bare these days.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's definitely worth a try then. You might want to pick up the trades of his Fantastic Four, too. His first arc on that series was especially great, and it introduced a lot of stuff they're still dealing with now.

[yenaled]

Thanks I'll give them a look.

[hippie_hunter]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that almost all of DC's books are getting relaunched in September.

[Mystirious]

We all know you'd rather have Sue to yourself. :cwink:

It's true i would :woot:

Sue makes me :) because she's such a lovely and ass kicking lady

Good point, I've not read Fantastic Four since Waid and I'm feeling the want, plus DC and Msrvel between them seemed to have cancelled 50% of what I read, so my pull list is bare these days.

Hickman's Fantastic Four comic books are full of fun ideas :up:

[Tron Bonne]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that almost all of DC's books are getting relaunched in September.

I saw that, but they're saying titles like Action Comics and Detective Comics may be upon them, and I just don't see that. With the former just hitting 900 and the latter a stones throw away it seems pretty unlikely. And probably ditto with Superman and Batman. I could see some of the other titles, but relaunching those at #1 would be dumb.

[hippie_hunter]

I saw that, but they're saying titles like Action Comics and Detective Comics may be upon them, and I just don't see that. With the former just hitting 900 and the latter a stones throw away it seems pretty unlikely. And probably ditto with Superman and Batman. I could see some of the other titles, but relaunching those at #1 would be dumb.
I'm thinking that DC will keep Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Action Comics, and Detective Comics at the numbers they're at, but put new creative teams on those books. Like maybe promoting Scott Snyder and Paul Cornell from Action Comics and Detective Comics to the higher selling Superman and Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that almost all of DC's books are getting relaunched in September.
Cool. I'm sure that'll affect exactly nothing, unless they put genuinely great creators on them along with those new numbers.

[Mystirious]

I doubt their going to change anything. I don't see the point of anything like that

[Franklin Richards]

If it returns the Big 7 to the Justice League, I'll be happy.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be great. I'm not really sure what DC's trying to do with the JLA right now. They seem content to let them fade into the background with terrible creators and low-tier characters.

[Franklin Richards]

This would be a League with no rookies and no real pecking order. I can't remember a time when that's been the case. Even in the Silver Age, everyone sort of genuflected to Superman. But now everyone is a seasoned veteran who's lead the League themselves at one time or another.

I would be excited to see the character interaction. Lot more three dimensional then these seven have ever been together.

Now we just need a good writer and artist and some great stories.


Too much?


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Panthro]

That would be great. I'm not really sure what DC's trying to do with the JLA right now. They seem content to let them fade into the background with terrible creators and low-tier characters.
I think the reason that keeps happening (character fading, not getting bad writers) is because after a while it gets hard to include the big gun characters without contradicting whatever may be going on in their solo titles. Or, in the case of someone like Superman, you just don't want this one really powerful guy overshadowing less powerful characters, nor do you necessarily want to make him to underperform just so others can excel (why do you think the Avengers go stretches at a time without Thor?).

[Motown Marvel]

there is no reason for JLA to not feature the best characters being written and drawn by the best creators. theres no reason why JLA shouldnt ever be one of DC's top selling books.

[Franklin Richards]

I think the reason that keeps happening (character fading, not getting bad writers) is because after a while it gets hard to include the big gun characters without contradicting whatever may be going on in their solo titles. Or, in the case of someone like Superman, you just don't want this one really powerful guy overshadowing less powerful characters, nor do you necessarily want to make him to underperform just so others can excel (why do you think the Avengers go stretches at a time without Thor?).

I've never bought that line.


Bear with me here. During an old D&D campaign I played and sometimes DM'd, other players would complain because of a cavalier in our party who was a BADASS. She took out Tiamat in one of our campaigns pretty much by herself with our characters taking out the minions. Complain, complain.

But whenever I DM'd against this cavalier, I just made up a cavalier of equal level and that pretty much took her out of the big picture.

My point.

One Kryptonian in the mix and Superman isn't a real threat. Same with Darkseid. Same with Kryptonite. There are always ways to calm Supes down.

And let's not forget that the Big 7 has some pretty powerful titans in the lineup as well. I'm sure that Aquaman is no "easy out" for Supes.

Insert your favorite Big 7 member in that sentence.

:hal: :hal: :hal:

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, it's a moot point, I suppose. We'll be getting Justice League International soon and that team is like 1000 times more entertaining than any recent JLA roster. :)

[Drz]

Would anyone like if Captain Marvel's name was changed to Captain Thunder?

[TheCorpulent1]

I probably wouldn't care much, but they've gotten by with Captain Marvel and SHAZAM for decades now, so why bother?

[Mystirious]

I like Captain Marvel so I hope he keeps his classic name. I really dug his golden age adventures even if they were kind of silly

[Franklin Richards]

He's always been Shazam to me.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Mystirious]

I am more worried about what they have done to Tawky Tawny :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Talky Tawny needs to eat Bronze Tiger and take over as the resident tiger-headed badass in the DC universe. Mainly because he's actually a tiger-headed badass, instead of just some dude who wears a weirdly lifelike tiger mask. :oldrazz:

[Mystirious]

I have a horrible feeling that mask is made out of a real tiger :dry:

And its true Tawky is better than Bronze Tiger because he is a gentleman and a bad ass

Like Alfred if he was a talking tiger :)

[Tron Bonne]

Would anyone like if Captain Marvel's name was changed to Captain Thunder?

I would probably kick someone in the kidney.

[fifthfiend]

Everyone does.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/SueRulesNamor.jpg


:ff: :ff: :ff:

Love the eyeroll.

[TheCorpulent1]

Namor's gotta get up off Sue's jock sometime.

[fifthfiend]

Would anyone like if Captain Marvel's name was changed to Captain Thunder?

I'd like it if someone went to Marvel's headquarters and punched someone in the junk until they agree to let DC do comics with "Captain Marvel" in the title.

[Mystirious]

Namor's gotta get up off Sue's jock sometime.

Or she's going to slap him with a shark

[fifthfiend]

Namor's gotta get up off Sue's jock sometime.

Hahaha, Sue should totally be like,

"Jesus ****ing Christ, Nammy, just like... get off my nuts, you know?"

[HighFivingMF]

And then Namor leaves forever!? :yay:

[Mystirious]

I wish

And so does Sue :dry:

Hahaha, Sue should totally be like,

"Jesus ****ing Christ, Nammy, just like... get off my nuts, you know?"

"And put on a shirt you freaky fish guy"

[Panthro]

I wish

And so does Sue :dry:



"And put on a shirt you freaky fish guy"
Didn't it take like 60 years just to get him to occasionally wear pants?



So... how about that Flash and his Flashpoint?

[Mystirious]

Didn't it take like 60 years just to get him to occasionally wear pants?


True but pants are the devil Panthro


So... how about that Flash and his Flashpoint?

I'mma read that Secret Seven mini series

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahaha, Sue should totally be like,

"Jesus ****ing Christ, Nammy, just like... get off my nuts, you know?"
"Reed put a ring on this while you were busy doin' it with your cousin, so back the f*** off, fish lips!" :awesome:

[Oberon sexton]

"Reed put a ring on this while you were busy doin' it with your cousin, so back the f*** off, fish lips!" :awesome:

Bout time someone called him on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

For real. Namora + Herc > Namora + Namor. Also, way less creepy.

[Oberon sexton]

Herc being with Anbody is also a good thing haha

[HighFivingMF]

Alright, I'm not very up to date on Marvel, I only read Captain America, Daredevil (when he isn't Black Panther), Iron Man and Thor (when not written by Fraction).

But, who the ferc is Herc?

[Oberon sexton]

Hercules

[HighFivingMF]

I know. I just really wanted to say "Ferc" :woot:

[Oberon sexton]

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Mystirious]

"Reed put a ring on this while you were busy doin' it with your cousin, so back the f*** off, fish lips!" :awesome:

I would bet $20 that Sue is related to Namor somehow and thats why he wants her so much

I'mma write a complicated time travel fanfiction story about it

And then Sue slaps Namor with her pimp hand and rides off on a dolphin :up:

[Mystirious]

Herc being with Anbody is also a good thing haha

I want Hercules to get together with Beta Ray Bill

It would be an epic relationship of epicness

[Oberon sexton]

Now I demand a an original graphic novel devoted to that very scene.

[Franklin Richards]

And then Sue slaps Namor with her pimp hand and rides off on a dolphin :up:

No one can withstand Sue's pimp hand.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/SueNamorOhHellNoHalf.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/prv8253_pg3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/invisiblewoman.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/invisiblewoman.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/invisiblewoman.gif

[Mystirious]

Her pimp hand is strong!

Now I demand a an original graphic novel devoted to that very scene.

I'm going to start writing it right now :woot:

You all know you want to read it

[Oberon sexton]

Im actually trying to invision who would be the big spoon, my brain says Herc, but my Heart says Bill

[Mystirious]

Listen to your heart :up:

[Drz]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/05/slashpointbig.jpg

Slashpoint #1 (2011)

Story by Chris Sims
Art by Jess Fink

Because You Demanded It! After months of buildup, the Flash has been thrust into a universe that is not his own! A universe of tortured wispiness. A universe where the characters may be familiar, but the strange urges they inspire are not -- and where they've paired off for more than just a team-up!

In our first issue, Barry Allen has to confront a world in which he and Iris West were never married -- and in which he and Hal "Green Lantern" Jordan formed a relationship that was far more brave and bold than he remembers! It's a whirlwind tour to find out where he is that guest stars Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, Tim Drake and Conner Kent, Renee Montoya and Kate Kane, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, and all set to the rocking solos of Guns 'n' Roses most notable guitarist!

Will Barry be able to find his way back home? Will his molecular vibration powers be used for more than just crossing dimensional barriers? And who is the mastermind behind the machinations, the mysterious OTP?! Find out in "Yaoi Zowie," the first chapter of this summer's epic crossover and the first DC comic to ever be published directly to LiveJournal and Tumblr!
Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/23/slashpoint-flashpoint/#ixzz1NOe07Gaa

[HighFivingMF]

hP2u6VURudU

[Anubis]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/05/slashpointbig.jpg

Slashpoint #1 (2011)

Story by Chris Sims
Art by Jess Fink

Because You Demanded It! After months of buildup, the Flash has been thrust into a universe that is not his own! A universe of tortured wispiness. A universe where the characters may be familiar, but the strange urges they inspire are not -- and where they've paired off for more than just a team-up!

In our first issue, Barry Allen has to confront a world in which he and Iris West were never married -- and in which he and Hal "Green Lantern" Jordan formed a relationship that was far more brave and bold than he remembers! It's a whirlwind tour to find out where he is that guest stars Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, Tim Drake and Conner Kent, Renee Montoya and Kate Kane, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, and all set to the rocking solos of Guns 'n' Roses most notable guitarist!

Will Barry be able to find his way back home? Will his molecular vibration powers be used for more than just crossing dimensional barriers? And who is the mastermind behind the machinations, the mysterious OTP?! Find out in "Yaoi Zowie," the first chapter of this summer's epic crossover and the first DC comic to ever be published directly to LiveJournal and Tumblr!
Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/23/slashpoint-flashpoint/#ixzz1NOe07Gaa




You know what woulda been funny? If instead of Batwoman and Question grinding on each other it was Batwoman and Obsidian. Doesn't count as Slash fiction if they're already gay.

[Mystirious]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/05/slashpointbig.jpg

Slashpoint #1 (2011)

Story by Chris Sims
Art by Jess Fink

Because You Demanded It! After months of buildup, the Flash has been thrust into a universe that is not his own! A universe of tortured wispiness. A universe where the characters may be familiar, but the strange urges they inspire are not -- and where they've paired off for more than just a team-up!

In our first issue, Barry Allen has to confront a world in which he and Iris West were never married -- and in which he and Hal "Green Lantern" Jordan formed a relationship that was far more brave and bold than he remembers! It's a whirlwind tour to find out where he is that guest stars Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, Tim Drake and Conner Kent, Renee Montoya and Kate Kane, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, and all set to the rocking solos of Guns 'n' Roses most notable guitarist!

Will Barry be able to find his way back home? Will his molecular vibration powers be used for more than just crossing dimensional barriers? And who is the mastermind behind the machinations, the mysterious OTP?! Find out in "Yaoi Zowie," the first chapter of this summer's epic crossover and the first DC comic to ever be published directly to LiveJournal and Tumblr!
Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/23/slashpoint-flashpoint/#ixzz1NOe07Gaa


This sounds so much better than Flashpoint :atp: I want to read this story with so much want right now

Seriously DC needs to publish this. Though I am dissapointed that there is no Mikaal/Congorilla on that cover

I want to see a blue alien make out with a british adventurer trapped in the body of an ape

[HighFivingMF]

Stop quoting it. :csad: I don't know where Barry's hand is going. :csad:

[Anubis]

Hal's anus.

[Assassin]

that ****'s offensive.

[Anubis]

Eh.

[Assassin]

it's too sexually suggestive.

[Anubis]

Meh.

[Mystirious]

that ****'s offensive.

:dry:

Pfft no it isnt

It's the bestest thing I have ever seen

DC need to make this comic book :atp:

[Assassin]

you would be pissed if Batwoman started liking guys all of a sudden right? Also that pic is NSFW

[Drz]

How is it NSFW? Because of Booster Gold's nipple?

[Mystirious]

Stop quoting it. :csad: I don't know where Barry's hand is going. :csad:

He is hooking up with Hal Jordan

So i am guessing his hand is going where everyone has gone before

[Mystirious]

you would be pissed if Batwoman started liking guys all of a sudden right?

If Batwoman was heterosexual i would never buy anything from DC comics ever again


Also that pic is NSFW

:whatever:

No it isn't there's no nudity or sex or swearing or graphic violence

It's just guys and girls kissing. Thats not NSFW and its not offensive. There's nothing wrong or offensive about lgbt couples kissing either in artwork or in real life.

[Assassin]

there is if i work in a church :huh:

[SuperFerret]

People kissing in public is offensive.

[Mystirious]

Oh Ferret :funny:

there is if i work in a church :huh:

Meh

Dont really care if it offends bigots

[Mystirious]

Hal's anus.

How right you are :awesome:

[SuperFerret]

Hmm... church = bigots. How... open minded.

[Mystirious]

Nope

Just people who are against homosexuality

Lots of churches and lots of religious people dont have any problem with lgbt people or with lgbt couples kissing and showing affection in public. It's only the ones that do that are bigots

I have no problem with religion as long as its not used as a cheap excuse to justify hate and prejudice

[SuperFerret]

You seem to immediately leap up on a soapbox whenever there's even a minor inkling of some sort of tiny problem with homosexuality. I just find it kind of odd.

[Mystirious]

Sorry if i seem over sensitive at times Ferret

I just don't like anyone who has any problem with homosexuality for any reason

There is nothing wrong with lgbt couples showing affection in real life in comics or in fanart. And there is nothing wrong with the Slashpoint picture. Its funny its cute and its fab :hrt:

I'mma make it into a poster

[Thebumwhowalks]

Aye, I am never surprised with you posting up stuff like that in response to people when they might voice something you could take issue with, I can imagine if you grew up experiencing that kind of bigotry you would be especially sensitive about it.

[SuperFerret]

What if someone plain doesn't like homosexuality?

[Mystirious]

Aye, I am never surprised with you posting up stuff like that in response to people when they might voice something you could take issue with, I can imagine if you grew up experiencing that kind of bigotry you would be especially sensitive about it.


I did from both strangers and people i knew and I still do. There are sadly a lot of homophobic dbags in the world

But I have no quarrel with anyone here on the dc boards who all seem like nice people in the year I have been posting here. I think of lots of them as my friends :)

And i am not accusing Assasin of being a homophobe. We disagree but as far as I know he's not prejudiced against anyone except Gail Simone :oldrazz:

I am just saying there is nothing bad or offensive about anyone real or fictional being lgbt and nothing wrong or offensive about them kissing

Love is always a good thing. Always :hrt:

And thank you for the nice words bumwhowalks. Your a pretty neat guy :up:

Anyway this is all getting off topic

What we should be discussing is what pairings we would want to see in Slashpoint :awesome:

[HighFivingMF]

So... Um...

Can't wait to see Hal Jordan fighting dragons!

[Mystirious]

What if someone plain doesn't like homosexuality?

I hate anyone who doesn't like homosexuality

And dont care about their opinions. I just ignore them if i ever encounter people like that. They bore me

[SuperFerret]

Ironic, but expected.

[Thebumwhowalks]

What if someone plain doesn't like homosexuality?

Well, myself, Mystirious and the Pink Ranger were discussing this very topic the other week in the gay rights thread, and what we were saying was that if someone has a gut reaction to it, and don't like the idea of it, that is understandable, there are many natural things in life poeple can have that kind of reaction to. So, the best thing to do, is grow up and understand that it is not doing anyone any harm, don't look into it too deeply, let folk get on with it, and don't trun those feelings of repulsion into bigotry by voicing an opinion that you don't want to see it, and it should be banned(i am not talking about anyone on this thread btw). Because that is when it becomes bigotry, when you feel it should not be seen or allowed, just because you personally don't like it.

and if you can't find the wherewithal within you to grow up and acclimatise these feelings of repustion when it comes to other people's sexuality, at least have some decorum and keep it to yourself, while you try, hopefully, to sort it out. Respect the fact that it is normal, and that it is you who have the problem.

[Panthro]

So... Um...

Can't wait to see Hal Jordan fighting dragons!
Hal's gonna fight dragons? Cool.

[Mystirious]

Dragons make everything better

Dragons and unicorns

Well, myself, Mystirious and the Pink Ranger were discussing this very topic the other week in the gay rights thread, and what we were saying was that if someone has a gut reaction to it, and don't like the idea of it, that is understandable, there are many natural things in life poeple can have that kind of reaction to. So, the best thing to do, is grow up and understand that it is not doing anyone any harm, don't look into it too deeply, let folk get on with it, and don't trun those feelings of repulsion into bigotry by voicing an opinion that you don't want to see it, and it should be banned(i am not talking about anyone on this thread btw). Because that is when it becomes bigotry, when you feel it should not be seen or allowed, just because you personally don't like it.

and if you can't find the wherewithal within you to grow up and acclimatise these feelings of repustion when it comes to other people's sexuality, at least have some decorum and keep it to yourself, while you try, hopefully, to sort it out. Respect the fact that it is normal, and that it is you who have the problem.

It would be nice if all the people in the world who are racist or homophobic or sexist or etc could realise that they need to at least tolerate those of us who are gay black Jewish transgender female or anything else

And it would be even nicer if racists and sexists and homophobes actually tried to become more accepting and open minded

I hope that one day there is no more bigotry in the world and everyone can live together in peace :)

[Thebumwhowalks]

Aye, I don't think i have any homophobia, racism or sexism in me, i was trying to sort out a wee bit of a homophobic reaction i had when we were talking in that other thread, when i said at first i felt a bit repulsed by the thought of two guys necking next to me in the pub, but then, y'know, i realised what the hell, just let them get on with it and don't think about it too much.

btw, i don't know how much crap i was typing up on the boards earlier today, but i was a bit on edge due to erratic sleep and illness, feeling more relaxed since i had a nap in the evening, so sorry about all the crap talking. although i think i hit out with a couple of good ones in there somewhere.

[HighFivingMF]

Hal's gonna fight dragons? Cool.

http://images.wikia.com/theflash/images/d/d6/FlashPoint_Hal_Jordan-2_Cover-1_Teaser.jpg

[Mystirious]

Maybe that's a Hydra

That would be even more fabulous than dragons

[Assassin]

Sorry if i seem over sensitive at times Ferret

I just don't like anyone who has any problem with homosexuality for any reason

There is nothing wrong with lgbt couples showing affection in real life in comics or in fanart. And there is nothing wrong with the Slashpoint picture. Its funny its cute and its fab :hrt:

I'mma make it into a poster

look, i don't like **** like that. i have no problem with gays but i don't want you to take two of my favorite characters and have them become gay and **** each other. that pic offends me. just like if after flashpoint bruce wayne starts ****ing batwoman, you would be pissed. that would offend you because you would think that Kate being a lesbian is somehow bad that they had to make her straight.

you're a bigot to straights :o

[Oberon sexton]

This Nightcrawler Quote never get's old:
"You know, outside of the circus, most people were afraid of me. But I did not hate them: I pitied them. Do you know why? Because most people will never know anything beyond what they see with their own two eyes."

[Mystirious]

If DC ever made Batwoman straight i would stop buying all DC products forever as it would be a moronic and bigoted idea

But no heterosexual characters have had their sexuality changed Assasin

Four of the characters on the Slashpoint fanart are lgbt and four others have been heavily hinted at being lgbt

And the straight characters like Hal and Barry are still straight in the comic books. Its just fanart Assasin don't take it so seriously :) you should not stress out over it so much. If DC changed Hal or Barry's sexuality in the comics I can understand why that would annoy you. It would make me :cmad: if they made any of their gay characters straight. But this is just fanart you should not let it offend you Assasin. Just ignore it if you dont find it funny or sexy and dont let it make you stressed :)

And i have nothing against straight people. Lots of my bestest friends are straight and I am never prejudiced against someone because of their sexuality

In fiction i prefer reading about lgbt characters. But that doesn't mean I only like people in real life if their lgbt

I like you and i am pretty sure you are straight

[Mystirious]

This Nightcrawler Quote never get's old:
"You know, outside of the circus, most people were afraid of me. But I did not hate them: I pitied them. Do you know why? Because most people will never know anything beyond what they see with their own two eyes."

I loves Nightcrawler :hrt:

[Aesculapius]

Picked up Flashpoint 1 today. While I can't say I loved the entire issue, the Thomas Wayne twist is nothing short of intriguing and I will definitely be picking up the next.

[Mystirious]

I have nothing bad to say about the art but the story in Flashpoint 1 did not really impress me

Might read issue two and see if I like it better

[Oberon sexton]

I would at least check out issue 2 Mysti, it looks like it might be going more into flashpoint Batman, maybe understanding his motives more will make him a more sympathetic character.

[Mystirious]

That's true :up:

I think I will check out the second issue and see what its like :)

Are you buying any of the tie ins Oberon

[Oberon sexton]

I'll probably be buying the batman and superman tie ins, maybe the wonder woman stuff

[HighFivingMF]

Four of the characters on the Slashpoint fanart are lgbt and four others have been heavily hinted at being lgbt

Wait... What?

[Mystirious]

Kate and Renee are lesbians and Harley and Ivy are bisexual

And we all know what's going on between Red Robin and Superboy and Booster and Beetle ;)

[Mystirious]

I'll probably be buying the batman and superman tie ins, maybe the wonder woman stuff

I think i might check out the one about Shade the Changing Man he is a pretty neat character

[Motown Marvel]

But no heterosexual characters have had their sexuality changed Assasin

well, grant morrison made Beast gay....then some other writer came along and made him un-gay.....i personally hope another writer comes along and re-gays him.

[Mystirious]

Had not heard about that when did that happen

And I would be fine with the Beast being gay too :up:. Though it would make more sense if he was bisexual. Didn't he have a romance with some reporter in the comic books

[Oberon sexton]

He's currently with a half alien green chick, atleast he was last time I checked.

[Motown Marvel]

Had not heard about that when did that happen

And I would be fine with the Beast being gay too :up:. Though it would make more sense if he was bisexual. Didn't he have a romance with some reporter in the comic books

grant morrison made him gay in his new x-men run. and yeah, there was some reporter chick....if i remember correctly, she's the one he came out to because she was wanting to get on him and he wasnt into it.

i just love the idea of a big blue furry scientist dude who loves the ****.

[Mystirious]

Whats not to love :hrt:

He's currently with a half alien green chick, atleast he was last time I checked.

Oh yeah the lady who runs S.W.O.R.D in the Marvel comics universe

I dig her :up:

[Zahack]

That's true :up:

I think I will check out the second issue and see what its like :)

Are you buying any of the tie ins Oberon


Yeah not sure what I think yet but still worth checking out number 2

[Franklin Richards]

Had not heard about that when did that happen

And I would be fine with the Beast being gay too :up:. Though it would make more sense if he was bisexual. Didn't he have a romance with some reporter in the comic books

He is NOT gay. He went through too much to save Vera.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera1.jpg

And then finally...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera2.jpg


Beast loves the geeky girls.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Oberon sexton]

and Magneto is not xorn!!! :woot:

[Kitsune]

Maybe that's a Hydra

That would be even more fabulous than dragons

Its King Ghidorah

[Franklin Richards]

Only Gamera can save us!


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Assassin]

Kate and Renee are lesbians and Harley and Ivy are bisexual

And we all know what's going on between Red Robin and Superboy and Booster and Beetle ;)

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/cookiva/1305269613519.gif?t=1305301897

[HighFivingMF]

Ted is dead. That's gross.

[Mystirious]

Zombies need love too :ninja:

He is NOT gay. He went through too much to save Vera.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera1.jpg

And then finally...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera2.jpg


Beast loves the geeky girls.


:thing: :thing: :thing:
Geek girls are hawt its true :up:

[Oberon sexton]

He is NOT gay. He went through too much to save Vera.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera1.jpg

And then finally...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/Comic%20Scans/BeastVera2.jpg


Beast loves the geeky girls.


:thing: :thing: :thing:
nice bit of skrull action there http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Mystirious]

and Magneto is not xorn!!! :woot:

:awesome:

Its King Ghidorah

Hal needs to team up with Godzilla and Charles Barkely to save the world

[Anubis]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/cookiva/1305269613519.gif?t=1305301897.

Man that dude is fugly.

[Franklin Richards]

:awesome:



Hal needs to team up with Godzilla and Charles Barkely to save the world

He needs Will Smith, Harry Connick Jr., Randy Quaid, and Michael Chiklis with him in F-16's.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Kitsune]

:awesome:



Hal needs to team up with Godzilla and Charles Barkely to save the world

And Bugs Bunny

[Tron Bonne]

grant morrison made him gay in his new x-men run. and yeah, there was some reporter chick....if i remember correctly, she's the one he came out to because she was wanting to get on him and he wasnt into it.

i just love the idea of a big blue furry scientist dude who loves the ****.

Was he actually gay, though? I always thought that was a joke that people took seriously.

[Watchman]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/AgentClarkNova/new_x-men_-_131_-_some_angels_falling_-_08.jpg

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, I had forgotten about that particular scene, but yeah, I didn't think that he was actually gay in New X-Men. I was actually thinking he meant as kind of a 'F-U' to his ex originally or something.

[Doomed_hero]

Naw Beast is having space sex with Agent Brand.

[Watchman]

Naw Beast is having space sex with Agent Brand.

That too but only about four people read S.W.O.R.D. :cmad::csad:

[Anubis]

Barry is so f**king boring, this has become the "Is Beast Gay?" Thread. :o

[HighFivingMF]

Anubis just has a crush on Barry and doesn't want him to know.

[Anubis]

Bulls**t, only blonde superhero I wanna slip the tootsie pop to is Alan Scott. :o

[Mystirious]

I would do hawt and crazy things with him

And Bugs Bunny

:up:

That too but only about four people read S.W.O.R.D. :cmad::csad:

:csad:

I heard that it was a fun comic

.

Man that dude is fugly.

His parents must be brother and sister :dry:

[Oberon sexton]

If anyones interested The flashpoint Batman preview is floating around the net

[Doomed_hero]

whose flash? lol

[Oberon sexton]

....I....don't....compute?

[Mystirious]

If anyones interested The flashpoint Batman preview is floating around the net

Does it look good Oberon

[Oberon sexton]

Actually yeah, there's this one line that Thomas say's that really makes me think that he'll be a great character as the main mini continues.

[Drz]

Preview: Batman Knight of Vengeance #1! Flashpoint title (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=8824)

The Flashpoint Batman is just so old school badass, gotta root for this man! Tho isn't it a plothole that the Joker has been on Arkham? Isn't Thomas Wayne like hunting this guy all his life? Thats what i got from from Flashpoint #1 but i may have misread/misunderstood.

[Kurosawa]

That looks awesome...maybe he's hunted him down and caught him many times but legal loopholes manage to keep Joker alive.

Wonder how the other villains died...none of them are on Joker's level of evil. Of course, none of them are on Joker's level period.

[hippie_hunter]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Flashpoint #5 is Johns' final issue with the Flash mythos for the foreseeable future.

[HighFivingMF]

I'll take the liberty of being the only one saddened by this. :csad:

[fifthfiend]

Oh, I had forgotten about that particular scene, but yeah, I didn't think that he was actually gay in New X-Men. I was actually thinking he meant as kind of a 'F-U' to his ex originally or something.

The scan posted pretty much unambiguously confirms that Beast is in no way and never has been gay.

[fifthfiend]

Kate and Renee are lesbians and Harley and Ivy are bisexual

And we all know what's going on between Red Robin and Superboy and Booster and Beetle ;)

Let me just tell you about my fanfic

[fifthfiend]

Spoiler: double mpreg

[Mystirious]

Spoiler: double mpreg

:atp:

That sounds like the bestest fanfic ever

[Assassin]

I'll take the liberty of being the only one saddened by this. :csad:

me too :csad:

[cyclone]

Wonder what Johns is going to be on next then? Aquaman or Firestorm ongoing maybe?

I must admit, I'm a little concerned that half of the reason for Flashpoint is to draw Green Lantern characters like they being shown in the upcoming movie. There's a couple pages from the Abin Sur mini, and he looks like the movie version, and also Sinestro has the same Green Lantern uniform that Mark Strong is wearing in the film. I think that's a bit stupid. Don't tell us that Flashpoint is some huge event, if really it's just to play off the film to make extra money!

[Drz]

Yeah he's writing two new titles, he confirmed Aquaman to be one of them. Yeah i also noticed how Flashpoint Green Lanterns got the movie costume, but why should they adapt that to the comics? The upcoming cartoon isn't, why should the comics?

[Assassin]

yup him and Reis are doing Aquaman

[Mystirious]

Yeah he's writing two new titles, he confirmed Aquaman to be one of them. Yeah i also noticed how Flashpoint Green Lanterns got the movie costume, but why should they adapt that to the comics? The upcoming cartoon isn't, why should the comics?

Yep i doubt they are going to change the costumes in any of the other Green Lantern comic books

[Tron Bonne]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Flashpoint #5 is Johns' final issue with the Flash mythos for the foreseeable future.

Well, that's kind of strange. I figured, if anything, he'd leave GL and start building Flash like he did the former. Him leaving Flash so soon after bringing back and establishing Barry seems bizarre.

[Panthro]

Well, that's kind of strange. I figured, if anything, he'd leave GL and start building Flash like he did the former. Him leaving Flash so soon after bringing back and establishing Barry seems bizarre.
But isn't this what everyone wanted? For Johns to leave the Flash and give it to someone who quote unquote "can write genuinely awesome Flash stories"? [pardon my sarcasm]

[Oberon sexton]

hmm thats a damn shame, Johns really got me interested with Barry in the first flashpoint issue.
maybe he and Jim Lee are working a new Wonder Woman series?

[Frankenmation]

Well, that's kind of strange. I figured, if anything, he'd leave GL and start building Flash like he did the former.

I personally would have preferred it if that was the case. His current Flash run wasn't amazing but it feels more inspired that what he's been doing on GL since Blackest Night.

[WolfCypher]

Hmm. Johns doing Aquaman is hardly a surprise. Hasn't he practically stated multiple times how he just would kill to handle Aquaman?

[Mystirious]

hmm thats a damn shame, Johns really got me interested with Barry in the first flashpoint issue.
maybe he and Jim Lee are working a new Wonder Woman series?

Johns has said he cannot write Wonder Woman so its probably not that

It will probably be an Aquaman comic book and maybe one about one of the other Flashpoint heroes

[Tron Bonne]

maybe he and Jim Lee are working a new Wonder Woman series?

Well, that would certainly be...completely and totally out of nowhere :/

[Panthro]

Johns has said he cannot write Wonder Woman so its probably not that

It will probably be an Aquaman comic book and maybe one about one of the other Flashpoint heroes
In the bold: because of legal issues or does he feel like he just doesn't have a good handle on how to write her character?

[Nightwing Z]

Hey, is Flashpoint going to affect the whole DC Universe? Since it's going to be the only one that's going to be released beyond August.

[Tron Bonne]

In the bold: because of legal issues or does he feel like he just doesn't have a good handle on how to write her character?

The latter.

Hey, is Flashpoint going to affect the whole DC Universe? Since it's going to be the only one that's going to be released beyond August.

We don't know. Speculation is rampant from relaunches to reboots to Superman being wiped out of existence and so on and so forth.

[Aesculapius]

They'll just have Superman be the Red Son in this universe =p

[Nightwing Z]

The latter.



We don't know. Speculation is rampant from relaunches to reboots to Superman being wiped out of existence and so on and so forth.
I hope they won't reboot or relaunch or anything. The DCU's fine the way it is.

[HighFivingMF]

The DC Universe will always be at least decent as long as Namor doesn't exist in it.

[Nightwing Z]

The DC Universe will always be at least decent as long as Namor doesn't exist in it.
Namor from Marvel? He's a *****. :awesome:

[CLARKY]

I am not reading Flashpoint and I completely miss the point of it. Am I dreaming or they are tying the comics with the GL movie?! I mean, I just read Sinestro appearing in front of Abin Sur, both have the design of the movie. So Flaspoint kind of ... exposes the movie's Abin ... while ... the one of the comics... is ...aaah ... uh?!?!
And what about those fake bios of the GL world on the source? The bio of Abin Sur was not the one from the comics (especially since G.Johns put Atrocitus in the mix), and Hammond linked with Parallax is not in the comics ... I am completely missing the point here. :confused:

[Timstuff]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Flashpoint #5 is Johns' final issue with the Flash mythos for the foreseeable future.

I'm not complaining. Johns' work with Green Lantern has been awesome, but so far his work with Flash has only seemed to cause controversy. While I thin Johns was both passionate and skillful in the way he reintroduced Hal Jordan into the DC mythos, I can't say the same about reintroducing Barry Allen, and as a Wally fan I can't say that I will miss Johns when he departs from the series.

[Mystirious]

In the bold: because of legal issues or does he feel like he just doesn't have a good handle on how to write her character?

He doesnt think he can write her well Panthro

And for once he's right. He cant write her well at all :down

I hope they won't reboot or relaunch or anything. The DCU's fine the way it is.

Dont worry Nightwing there is no way they will reboot the dcu :)

I am sure this Flashpoint crap will have no effect on the dcu at all. I hope that it doesnt have any effect on the dcu

[Zionite]

Dont worry Nightwing there is no way they will reboot the dcu :)

even though they should

[Tron Bonne]

No, they shouldn't. They really shouldn't have in the first place.

[Mystirious]

Agreed Sailor V there is no need to reboot the dcu at all. I dont want it to he rebooted and i dont want Flashpoint to have any effect on the characters I care about and like

The DCU definitely doesnt need to be rebooted and i am glad it wont be :up:

[hippie_hunter]

Tomorrow Bleeding Cool will be running several articles on what the post-Flashpoint DCU will look like.

[Mystirious]

Hopefully it will be pretty much exactly the same as the dcu was before Flashpoint :up:

The only thing I be looking forward to after Flashpoint is the Batwoman ongoing series that will be starting

And the Red Lantern series sounds kind of neat as it will be written by Milligan

[hippie_hunter]

Hopefully it will be pretty much exactly the same as the dcu was before Flashpoint :up:
I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

[HighFivingMF]

That and... This big World-shaking event with absolutely no changes would leave me pissed on principle alone.

[Mystirious]

I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

I think the Batman and Superman comic books don't need any drastic changes right now

But as long as we still get a Batwoman ongoing comic book and Morrison still writes Batman Inc I don't really care what DC comics do with any of the other Batman comics

And it doesn't matter what DC do with Wonder Woman because they are going to reboot or retcon the character and her supporting cast again every other month anyway

You know I be right :awesome:

[hippie_hunter]

I think the Batman and Superman comic books don't need any drastic changes right now
Yes they do.

Superman is a mess right now and Action Comics will always be treated as the second hand Superman centric anthology title that it is. And it really feels as if nothing of significance is happening with Supergirl (which lacks a stable creative team once Gates left the book) and Superboy (I think that the Smallville setting is hurting more than helping).

As for Batman, it feels like the only books that are really supporting Grant Morrison's take on the mythos are Detective Comics which really goes into Dick Grayson being the protector of Gotham and Red Robin which has Tim setting up his machinations in support of Batman, Inc. The rest of the books feel like they don't contribute much. A new direction for the Batman line is needed to better support what Morrison is doing.

[Tron Bonne]

Does it really matter if those books are contributing to Morrison's take as far as the Batman franchise goes, though? It seems better to me, really, if there's not. Means there's alternatives to people who aren't following Morrison's stuff, or just want something else different. And I would at least see where Cornell's take on Superman goes before denouncing it outright.

[Mystirious]

Yep i don't think all the Batman comic books need to be like the ones Morrison is writing. It's nice to have variety and lots of different kinds of Batman story

I agree that the Superboy comic book kind of sucks right now and the character should leave Smallville but i think Action Comics has been fab the Lex Luthor story arc was really good and the first issue of the new story was pretty fun too

[Batman]

I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

All of that can be fixed with competent writers on each title progressively moving things forward in an organic fashion. Not that I'm terribly confident in DC's ability to hire writers that can do that (at least, not all at once), but it'd be a nice change of pace compared to the normal, tired cycle of events that lead to anything of significance. These "one in done" events that take characters from A to D without a B and C to follow kind of get frustrating after awhile. The characters have lent themselves towards compelling development for seventy-plus years, it wouldn't be bad for DC to show why for a change.

Also, consider me one of the people that's tired of Morrison's take on the Batman mythos. It was fun for a time and I loved what he was doing, but it's gotten really irksome and leaves me wanting something a little closer to the Batman I enjoy, which isn't this oversweeping James Bondian "Ho ho, I'm rich and can do things!" level of swagger and consistently disjointed style of writing to get to a single point, frequently creating continuity problems that have to have issues themselves dedicated to fixing. So yeah, I'm totally fine with them not trying to compliment Morrison's style. It's not something that I'm clamoring to see continue for very much longer.

[Mystirious]

I'm really digging Morrison's Batman Inc so far just because it has been so much fun. I have really liked the guest stars and I think the new villains are pretty interesting and entertaining

[Batman]

Yeah, that's cool. And I'm fine with Morrison continuing with it, because he definitely has fans, it's just not my overall preference. I guess what I should have added is that while I don't particularly enjoy his Batman as much as I used to, it is nice to have variety for people who don't feel the same way. Which is another reason why it's good to have two Batmen who are polar opposites in personality, but still manage to harken back to at least some era of the comics - you get to have the cake and eat it too.

[Tron Bonne]

Totally on a different topic, but I love your sig, Batman, and believe The Hero is truly of his name.

[Mystirious]

Hahaha yes that sig is fabulous

Though its not realistic. We all know that JMS would write at least twelve issues about Superman watching a movie and becoming deeply depressed about not getting the kind of popcorn he wanted

Yeah, that's cool. And I'm fine with Morrison continuing with it, because he definitely has fans, it's just not my overall preference. I guess what I should have added is that while I don't particularly enjoy his Batman as much as I used to, it is nice to have variety for people who don't feel the same way. Which is another reason why it's good to have two Batmen who are polar opposites in personality, but still manage to harken back to at least some era of the comics - you get to have the cake and eat it too.

:up:

Agreed I like reading different types of Batman story too and i think it is nice that all the Batman comic books are different from each other

[Cain]

Yes they do.

Superman is a mess right now and Action Comics will always be treated as the second hand Superman centric anthology title that it is. And it really feels as if nothing of significance is happening with Supergirl (which lacks a stable creative team once Gates left the book) and Superboy (I think that the Smallville setting is hurting more than helping).

As for Batman, it feels like the only books that are really supporting Grant Morrison's take on the mythos are Detective Comics which really goes into Dick Grayson being the protector of Gotham and Red Robin which has Tim setting up his machinations in support of Batman, Inc. The rest of the books feel like they don't contribute much. A new direction for the Batman line is needed to better support what Morrison is doing.

I couldn't disagree more.

[hippie_hunter]

All of that can be fixed with competent writers on each title progressively moving things forward in an organic fashion. Not that I'm terribly confident in DC's ability to hire writers that can do that (at least, not all at once), but it'd be a nice change of pace compared to the normal, tired cycle of events that lead to anything of significance. These "one in done" events that take characters from A to D without a B and C to follow kind of get frustrating after awhile. The characters have lent themselves towards compelling development for seventy-plus years, it wouldn't be bad for DC to show why for a change.

Also, consider me one of the people that's tired of Morrison's take on the Batman mythos. It was fun for a time and I loved what he was doing, but it's gotten really irksome and leaves me wanting something a little closer to the Batman I enjoy, which isn't this oversweeping James Bondian "Ho ho, I'm rich and can do things!" level of swagger and consistently disjointed style of writing to get to a single point, frequently creating continuity problems that have to have issues themselves dedicated to fixing. So yeah, I'm totally fine with them not trying to compliment Morrison's style. It's not something that I'm clamoring to see continue for very much longer.

That's why I think that Snyder should be promoted within the Batman ranks. Snyder's run on Detective Comics and Gates of Gotham is the best of both worlds where it fits itself with what Morrison is doing, yet it still delivers something different from what Morrison is doing. Morrison is delivering the more grandiose take on, while Snyder is keeping within the realms of Gotham and providing a more comfortable take with the character.

David Finch's take makes absolutely no sense because it can't find a place to fit within what's going on with all the other books, Batman & Robin doesn't have a stable creative team, and Batman is just mediocre relying on nostalgia for the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

[Nightwing Z]

Yeah. Let's just hope that the DCU won't reboot or anything.

[hippie_hunter]

And I would at least see where Cornell's take on Superman goes before denouncing it outright.

I'm loving Cornell's take on Superman. Action Comics is one of my favorite reads. But in the end, unless someone like Geoff Johns is on the title, it will always be treated as either the secondary Superman title or a Superman-centric anthology title.

[Tron Bonne]

I'm sure that the hype people are creating for post-Flashpoint will overshoot anything that will actually occur post-Flashpoint.

That's why I think that Snyder should be promoted within the Batman ranks. Snyder's run on Detective Comics and Gates of Gotham is the best of both worlds where it fits itself with what Morrison is doing, yet it still delivers something different from what Morrison is doing. Morrison is delivering the more grandiose take on, while Snyder is keeping within the realms of Gotham and providing a more comfortable take with the character.

David Finch's take makes absolutely no sense because it can't find a place to fit within what's going on with all the other books, Batman & Robin doesn't have a stable creative team, and Batman is just mediocre relying on nostalgia for the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

But again, why is it so important that everything follow this single thread? So there's alternatives that doesn't totally fit with Morrison's stuff. So what? It just seems like microcontinuity nitpicking.

I'm loving Cornell's take on Superman. Action Comics is one of my favorite reads. But in the end, unless someone like Geoff Johns is on the title, it will always be treated as either the secondary Superman title or a Superman-centric anthology title.

Well, okay I guess. It doesn't matter a whole to me if he gets promoted to the main Superman title or not, long as he continues with it in some route.

[Panthro]

Sooner or later everything gets rebooted - even the whole wide universe.

I'm not complaining. Johns' work with Green Lantern has been awesome, but so far his work with Flash has only seemed to cause controversy. While I thin Johns was both passionate and skillful in the way he reintroduced Hal Jordan into the DC mythos, I can't say the same about reintroducing Barry Allen, and as a Wally fan I can't say that I will miss Johns when he departs from the series.
I wouldn't say I hate his work on Flash since Barry Allen returned but I agree it wasn't as strong as his resurrection of Hal Jordan since Hal's downfall & death left more room for dramatic storytelling than Barry's did (as I said before, Hal = redemption arc, Barry not so much). I think more emphasis on Barry re-evaluating his life, where he fits in both as a person was needed; a smaller, more personal story could have come from this.

Anyhow, any word on who's replacing Johns on Green Lantern and Flash?

[HighFivingMF]

Johns isn't leaving Green Lantern, is he?

[Batman]

David Finch's take makes absolutely no sense because it can't find a place to fit within what's going on with all the other books, Batman & Robin doesn't have a stable creative team, and Batman is just mediocre relying on nostalgia for the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

I can agree on that. Tony Daniel's been given way too much leeway on that title solely because of Battle For The Cowl's hype, and he should have been taken off of it after making the mistake of inventing the new Catgirl. Who is arguably one of the most annoying and useless characters I've seen in recent memory. Add to that the fact that Daniel seems insistent that The Riddler be turned from an interesting character to a stereotypical villain.

I'm actually one of the few that likes David Finch's artwork, but his writing leaves alot to be desired. I'd like to see the title continue with a better writer with his art, but the title's already beyond necessity. It's not even the fact that Bruce is back in Gotham, somehow, while proactively training the new recruits for Batman Inc. and leading a full-scale assault on organized crime that turned me off - it's just a terribly boring storyline that offers nothing except another lame story about some randomly created love of Bruce's past.

But back to Flashpoint, no, I believe Johns is staying on Green Lantern. I think that's actually one of the reasons he's leaving Flash - between GL and Aquaman, something's gotta give.

[CConn]

I think, if done the right way, DC having a creative reboot would be phenominal.

Think about it, they don't need to redo continuity or renumber books (although I'm sure they will do the latter), and DC kinda needs a lot of new directions on most of their books. Think about it...

Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all getting panned critically. Green Arrow, JLA, JSA, Superman/Batman, Batman and Robin, and more are all floundering...

If DC brought in all new creative teams for those floundering books, while sublely letting the books that actually ARE still good (GL titles, Action, etc.) continue their runs with maybe some new twists and turns, I'd be really into picking up some new titles.

Not that I think they'll actually do any of that.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, yeah, I agree there, but I don't even know if I'd call something like that a reboot. That's basically...just business as usual. Creative teams come and go, sometimes by trickles and sometimes by mass, that's the nature of the medium.

[hippie_hunter]

But back to Flashpoint, no, I believe Johns is staying on Green Lantern. I think that's actually one of the reasons he's leaving Flash - between GL and Aquaman, something's gotta give.

It's not just Green Lantern and Aquaman. Overall, Johns can handle three to four books a month, depending on what kind of book it is, along with his various duties within DC Entertainment. He's going to be doing something else for sure besides just Green Lantern and Aquaman.

[CConn]

Well, yeah, I agree there, but I don't even know if I'd call something like that a reboot. That's basically...just business as usual. Creative teams come and go, sometimes by trickles and sometimes by mass, that's the nature of the medium.
I don't think I've ever seen anything en mass match how big this would be. It would be nearly 90% of their books.

[Tron Bonne]

I don't think I've ever seen anything en mass match how big this would be. It would be nearly 90% of their books.

Hmm, how about Post-COIE? I don't know for sure, but I figured pretty much all their major titles got new creative teams when that happened.

[CConn]

Yeah, but that was a reboot. I was saying this would be different because it would be a creative clean slate, but continuity would remain unchanged. Which is kinda a lot better than a total redo. At least at this point.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I would agree with that then. If they could get a clean editorial slate, probably wouldn't hurt all that much, either :o

[Mystirious]

I don't think DC should change the writers and artists on most of their comics i don't want them to change at the moment I think most of the comic books dc publish are fine with the writers they have now

But as long as the writers for Batman Inc Secret Six and Legion of Superheroes stayed the same i would be happy

[Batman]

Gail Simone should just write everything. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think DC should change the writers and artists on most of their comics i don't want them to change at the moment I think most of the comic books dc publish are fine with the writers they have now

But as long as the writers for Batman Inc Secret Six and Legion of Superheroes stayed the same i would be happy

I don't think that we're going to see those books see creative team changes. DC isn't going to mess around with what Grant Morrison is doing with Batman and I think the only way that Gail Simone and Paul Levitz will leave Secret Six and Legion of Super-Heroes is if the books end up getting canceled.

I'm thinking that we'll end up seeing creative team changes for Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Justice League of America, Batman, Detective Comics, Titans, etc. while seeing some cancellations such as Gotham City Sirens, Power Girl, and Booster Gold in favor of Justice League International and Batwoman.

[Mystirious]

I would be fine with that :up:

Batwoman Secret Six Legion of Superheroes and Batman Inc are the only dc comic books I care about right now so as long as they dont get cancelled and their creative teams dont change i will be happy and wont mind what dc does to any of their other comic books

Titans should probably be canceled too. It be worse than Rise of Arsenal :dry:

Gail Simone should just write everything. :up:

That would make me :)

[Franklin Richards]

What were the DnA rumors? Were they being linked to the GL Corps title?


:kyle: :kyle: :kyle:

[Nightwing Z]

So if Flash messes up, he reboots the DCU? O.O

[Oberon sexton]

I guess you could put it like that, the fate of the DCU is in the hands of Barry Allen haha

[Assassin]

ohh **** #2 is tomorrow? sweet

[hippie_hunter]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that every single DC title set in the DC Universe will be relaunched with a new #1. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

[Tron Bonne]

Meh. All the important numbers will be back soon enough

[hippie_hunter]

In September, all the DC Comics published set within the DC Universe will be renumbered with new issue ones.

Every comic continuing from September will be relaunched with a shiny #1. Every. Single. One. With no current plan for the renumbering to reverse to any so-called “legacy” numbering.

And with those issue one renumberings, will come a new rejigged status quo. And yes, characters will be changed. Some may no longer exist. There will be new books, new creators, new teams, new characters and new… new. With no current plan for the new status quo to be undone or reversed.

The current Flashpoint story running through the DC Universe and ending in August has rewritten the history of the DC Universe. How much of it, if any, will be reflected in the September titles?

“The first rule about FLASHPOINT is, don’t talk about what comes after Flashpoint” quotes Chief Creative Office of DC Geoff Johns. And I think we can take that literally. DC creators have been asked by their editors to sign rather restrictive NDA agreements to continue working on titles.

But Bleeding Cool hasn’t signed anything. More today on what this might mean for specific books. Some of it will be accurate. Some of it will be warped in the telling. And some of it will have changed…

[Motown Marvel]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that every single DC title set in the DC Universe will be relaunched with a new #1. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

that is BEYOND ignorant! if only because we all know those numberings arent going to stick, so why pretend?! its such a stupid and pointless ploy! as if a hundred issues from now DC isnt going to enact a new marketing ploy about action comics 1000!

thanks for making me angry! :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

Meh. All the important numbers will be back soon enough

But relaunching certain books is going to hurt more than help. With the way the Superman books are selling, I can't imagine a new Action Comics #1 being successful at all. Superman can really only support one book nowadays and Action Comics benefited more from its incredibly high numbering and good creative teams for the past couple of years.

[HighFivingMF]

They'll have more stories throughout the day, right? I'm actually excited to see what's in store.

[Motown Marvel]

i've always championed geoff johns, but he is pissing me off lately. you know what the reason for this is? Geoff being a creative consultant for DC properties at warner bros. the green lantern movie is going to be a launching point for an expansion of the future DC movies, and geoff is going to be involved in them. and they are coinciding this flashpoint renumbering as a jumping on point for all the new fans they're expecting to get from the movies. its pandering to the lowest common denominator.

[Drz]

i've always championed geoff johns, but he is pissing me off lately. you know what the reason for this is? Geoff being a creative consultant for DC properties at warner bros. the green lantern movie is going to be a launching point for an expansion of the future DC movies, and geoff is going to be involved in them. and they are coinciding this flashpoint renumbering as a jumping on point for all the new fans they're expecting to get from the movies. its pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Both Marvel and DC are going to do this, but atleast DC is letting writers being creative and letting them do what they want to. Grant Morrison replaces Bruce Wayne with a new Dynamic Duo and the Green Lantern franchise isn't going to ignore anything that Geoff Johns has done before, so while renumbering is abit silly and even tho we've seen the writers themselves defend them (Brubaker believes Captain America getting a relaunch is a great idea) atleast DC comics isn't forcing any changes to characters like Steve going backa s Captain America.

[hippie_hunter]

In September, Bleeding Cool has been told that DC Comics will publish a new Justice League ongoing comic book by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee, the first title these two have worked together. Even if it’s been a while coming. It will feature Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and several other characters following the current Flashpoint crossover. It’s the return of the World’s Greatest Superheroes to the book for the first time in years.

Geoff Johns is the Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment, a Co-Producer of the upcoming Green Lantern Film and the writer of many of DC Comics bestselling titles of the last five years, including Green Lantern, Blackest Night, Brightest Day, and the Flashpoint event.

As well as being Co-Publisher of DC Comics, Jim Lee is best known for revitalising the X-Men for Marvel and co-founding Image Comics in the nineties, for his Batman work for DC in the noughties, and designing the DCU Online MMORG right now. While his comics work has been sporadic, it remains some of the best selling in the industry.

And it looks like he might have been spending some time preparing this comic. I first reported its existence over two years ago (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20702), well before Geoff Johns and Jim Lee had been promoted, and have been keeping up with it since (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/17/jim-lee-hints-at-justice-league-future/). So if nothing else, Jim Lee’s had some lead time.

Not International. Not Dark. And also not Of America. Just the League.

More to come…
Well I have to say that along with Batman, Green Lantern, and now this, DC is guaranteed to continue dominating the Top 10 charts.

[Drz]

There can't be any truth that Lee is drawing the comic, this would mean he's repenciling the Batman stuff or Bruce is getting another costume change, and this would also question is Wonder Woman getting the classic costume or Jim Lee skirt costume, but didn't Dan Didio confirm she is keeping pants? >_>

So yeah i can believe in Flashpoint making heroes realize they need to be a big team (because after all in Flashpoint the main characters are just twisted versions of themselves one way or another) and help the world, also Firestorm and Cyborg would probably end up as members.

[hippie_hunter]

There can't be any truth that Lee is drawing the comic, this would mean he's repenciling the Batman stuff
More like the Batman stuff that he was working on like Dark Knight: Boy Wonder isn't going to happen with Jim Lee.

[Drz]

I meant Bruce's costume and Diana's in this supposed League comic, unless you're saying David Finch redesign and Lee's Odyssey design for Wonder Woman will get ignored.

Dark Knight Boy Wonder is still happening, buu yer pessism! >: )

[hippie_hunter]

I meant Bruce's costume and Diana's in this supposed League comic, unless you're saying David Finch redesign and Lee's Odyssey design for Wonder Woman will get ignored.
What makes you think that they'll get ignored?

Dark Knight Boy Wonder is still happening, buu yer pessism! >: )I do think that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will happen, just with a different artist. If it were going to happen with Jim Lee, it would have already started coming out. When Lee is actually focused, his stuff does indeed come out on time. But with Lee as DC's Co-Publisher, he along with the others probably saw his talents be put to better use on a DCU title.

[Drz]

What makes you think that they'll get ignored?


Well the article itself implies Jim Lee and Johns have worked on this comic for about 2 years beforehand and thus Jim Lee should be really ready to push out it in ongoing format. Unless he just accepted Batman: Europa #1 and the last issues of DK:BW left unfinished to taggle on the League for how long? 3 issues? 5?


I do think that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will happen, just with a different artist. If it were going to happen with Jim Lee, it would have already started coming out. When Lee is actually focused, his stuff does indeed come out on time.

Well he certainly hasn't been focused for Batman Europa which was just 1 issue, DK:BW is suppose to have 1-3 issues done, but hey what if.... We get DK:BW in September? <3

[Motown Marvel]

lee can get a book out on time when all he has to do is draw that book. but for the past years he's involved in so many things, i dont trust him to get books done on time. i wouldnt want to put anything out by him until he's done doing it. draw the whole damn arc, before one issue comes out. seriously. geoff johns writing a big 7 justice league title can be awesome. its what the league has needed for years. i dont want lee screwing that up.

[hippie_hunter]

Well the article itself implies Jim Lee and Johns have worked on this comic for about 2 years beforehand and thus Jim Lee should be really ready to push out it in ongoing format. Unless he just accepted Batman: Europa #1 and the last issues of DK:BW left unfinished to taggle on the League for how long? 3 issues? 5?
They probably planned for a Geoff Johns/Jim Lee Justice League for two years and coordinated some ideas together, but I think that Lee probably started to actually draw the book once DC's plans for the post-Flashpoint universe started to finalize. Lee wouldn't have had time to start on the book two years ago since he was working on DC Universe Online at the time, along with editorial duties at WildStorm trying to save the line, and he planned on working on Dark Knight: Boy Wonder during that time frame.

Well he certainly hasn't been focused for Batman Europa which was just 1 issue, DK:BW is suppose to have 1-3 issues done, but hey what if.... We get DK:BW in September? <3
Doubt it. DC is going to be completely focused on the actual DC Universe and books like Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will just take away attention from the main DC Universe line.

Dark Knight: Boy Wonder would be better off without Jim Lee as an artist anyways. Lee's art style just didn't fit the universe that Frank Miller created for Batman. Batman: Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, and the Dark Knight Strikes Again all had more gritty art styles as opposed to Lee's more flashy style, and Dark Knight: Boy Wonder would probably be better suited if it had an art style more similar to David Mazzucchelli or Frank Miller as opposed to Jim Lee's.

[hippie_hunter]

lee can get a book out on time when all he has to do is draw that book. but for the past years he's involved in so many things, i dont trust him to get books done on time. i wouldnt want to put anything out by him until he's done doing it. draw the whole damn arc, before one issue comes out. seriously. geoff johns writing a big 7 justice league title can be awesome. its what the league has needed for years. i dont want lee screwing that up.

Well Lee's workload has significantly reduced now. DC Universe Online, which took up almost all of his time, is done now; he isn't attempting to do two books at once, he hasn't put out that much cover art lately, and he isn't attempting to save a failing imprint. Now he's just focused on DC editorial/publishing and art. If given enough time, he can now probably handle a monthly comic like he did when he was on Batman and Superman as opposed to when he was on All Star Batman and Robin.

[Drz]

Then why isn't Batman Europa #1 finished? >_>

[hippie_hunter]

Then why isn't Batman Europa #1 finished? >_>
Because it's pretty freaking obvious that Lee gave up on that one as well. Out of continuity Batman stories just aren't what DC wants for the time being from major talent.

[hippie_hunter]

Bleeding Cool has already talked about the Dark coming to the DC Universe after Flashpoint, including something called Justice League Dark.

But Bleeding Cool hasn’t, until now, said anything about the Edge.

No, not the fellow from U2. Something else. From DC. Post Flashpoint. What, I haven’t a clue, I only have a noun…

Okay, okay, not every post-Flashpoint story can be fully fleshed out. Those September solicitations can’t be far away…

[Drz]

But considering how much Joker sold, why wouldn't Frank Miller's DK:BW or Azzarello's Europa be a big cha-ching? Me no understand this logic. :( DC is going to focus on whatever Grant Morrison has up his sleeve with Multiversity, "All Star" Flash and his non-canon Wonder Woman. Talent before continuity!

[hippie_hunter]

But considering how much Joker sold, why wouldn't Frank Miller's DK:BW or Azzarello's Europa be a big cha-ching?
It's not that they wouldn't bring in big cha-ching, it's that they want that big cha-ching to come from their monthly endeavors. DC really needs to boost up their monthly books like Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Justice League.

DC is going to focus on whatever Grant Morrison has up his sleeve with Multiversity, "All Star" Flash and his non-canon Wonder Woman. Talent before continuity!
Except Multiversity is canon and in case if you haven't noticed, nothing has come up with his All Star Flash because the All Star line in DC is dead, and nothing has shown up about his take on Wonder Woman recently.

[Anubis]

I've watched this conversation for longer than I'm willing to admit, and I've come to the conclusion that both of you are talking out of your asses. :o

[Drz]

Except Multiversity is canon and in case if you haven't noticed, nothing has come up with his All Star Flash because the All Star line in DC is dead, and nothing has shown up about his take on Wonder Woman recently.

Well is Multiversity really going to effect canon or is it considered "canon" because its Morrison showing all these different universes? Wouldn't that mean we can officially include the Azzarello-verse? What i meant by "All Star" is that Morrison has quoted that he wants to do the Flash in that essence and Bleeding Cool, the very site you and me both watch for this Flashpost stuff has reported that Morrison's canon was deemed too weird for mainstream Wondy.

[hippie_hunter]

I've watched this conversation for longer than I'm willing to admit, and I've come to the conclusion that both of you are talking out of your asses. :o

It's not talking out of your ass when you just look at the plain and simple facts. DC really wants to boost the standings of their monthlies for the end of 2011, so why the hell would they have out of continuity one-shots and minis with AAA talent that would take attention away from DC's post Flashpoint universe? People don't have unlimited income to spend on comics and DC would rather have people buy a monthly Justice League comic with Jim Lee on it than a five issue critically panned miniseries with Jim Lee on it. It's common sense business wise.

It's also flat out obvious now that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and Batman: Europa aren't going to happen for quite a while unless they replace Lee. Lee can't handle two books at once. He can barely handle one.

[hippie_hunter]

Well is Multiversity really going to effect canon or is it considered "canon" because its Morrison showing all these different universes?
It's showcasing the Multiverse the way Countdown and Final Crisis did. Both of which are considered to be DCU proper canon.

Wouldn't that mean we can officially include the Azzarello-verse?
There has been nothing to point that there is currently an Azzarello-verse.

What i meant by "All Star" is that Morrison has quoted that he wants to do the Flash in that essence and Bleeding Cool, the very site you and me both watch for this Flashpost stuff has reported that Morrison's canon was deemed too weird for mainstream Wondy.
True, but have we seen anything lately on Morrison's work with Flash and Wonder Woman. For all we know, maybe DC has decided to go hell with it and decided to put Morrison on the main Wonder Woman book post-Flashpoint. Maybe he's given up on them. Or maybe he's doing something extraordinary with them. Who knows because we haven't heard anything about them for quite some time now.

[Drz]

There has been nothing to point that there is currently an Azzarello-verse.

I believe Azzarello considers Joker and Luthor taking in the same place, atleast the art and Batman are more or less the same, and i'd see Europa taking in the same universe considering Batman is teaming up with Joker instead of asking Superman to cure his disease. :p

[hippie_hunter]

I believe Azzarello considers Joker and Luthor taking in the same place, atleast the art and Batman are more or less the same,
They certainly have similar themes, but continuity is something that Azzarello prefers not to be held back by. I'm pretty sure that they're both stand alone stories.

[hippie_hunter]

In September, along with everything else, Bleeding Cool has been told to expect a new Adventure Comics #1. And a new lead, namely the recent star of Brightest Day, Deadman. Alive, dead, somewhere in between, a new status quo for Boston Brand or something very different, I have no idea. Yet. Though I’m hearing of Ryan Sook involvement in some fashion… More about what happens after Flashpoint to come.