Flashpoint

[Drz]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-05-31-dc-comics-reinvents_n.htm

Well slap me in the face and call me Hippie Hunter's spit bucket. Oh and Diana gets another redesign. :p

[hippie_hunter]

Looks like Superman is getting a slight redesign as well. Looks like the undies are gone.

[Anubis]

So, I guess it's another restart.

[Drz]

So, I guess it's another restart.

Just reminding everyone that continuity wise don't be alarmed since we're getting Batwoman #1 and whatnot, but yeah DC is putting out comics digitally on the same day, hence why theya re doing this big massive "jump in Ipadders!" thing.

[HighFivingMF]

Now this "Superman being not existing ever!" nonsense can stop. :woot:

[Batman]

I...




I don't know what to say. :dry:

[Anubis]

I'm sure a few choice four letter words will come to mind in the coming months.

[HighFivingMF]

I'm sure a few choice four letter words will come to mind in the coming months.

"Cool" "Nice" "Hmmm"

[rnewbz]

dissapointment abounds

[Batman]

I'm sure a few choice four letter words will come to mind in the coming months.

They already have. :up:

What the ****. What the ****. I always knew DC had no qualms with trying to contemporize their characters, but this is just...

I'm lost. Wow. It's like they don't even care anymore.

"Hey, we'll get new readers!"
"What about the old ones?"
"...who?"

I'll have to see this through, but... Jesus.

[Drz]

Why would you drop a title because of renumbering?

[Anubis]

Why would you drop a title because of renumbering?


I believe they're contemplating dropping titles because of this statement.

"We looked at what was going on in the marketplace and felt we really want to inject new life in our characters and line," says Dan DiDio, who co-publishes DC with Lee. "This was a chance to start, not at the beginning, but at a point where our characters are younger and the stories are being told for today's audience."

[Drz]

I'm gonna preverse my judgement on that, they wouldn't dare (or would they) to mess with Batman Inc or Batwoman (well granted Batwoman sure, but Morrison?! :p )

[hippie_hunter]

They better not be restarting **** :argh:

[Anubis]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[hippie_hunter]

Considering that they're launching over 50 books some of which include Justice League International and Batwoman which are heavily based on post-Flashpoint material, I doubt we're getting a total revamp.

[fifthfiend]

"We looked at what was going on in the marketplace and felt we really want to inject new life in our characters and line," says Dan DiDio, who co-publishes DC with Lee. "This was a chance to start, not at the beginning, but at a point where our characters are younger and the stories are being told for today's audience."

The perfect jumping-off point for future non-readers!

[Anubis]

Yeah, I'm thinking soft restart.

Problem with that is, unless they've taken the time to form a post Flashpoint bible, (And I'm betting they wont) it's gonna be up to the writers to pick and choose what stays and what goes......and that can be a bad thing.

[hippie_hunter]

The perfect jumping-off point for future non-readers!

Actually, I think that this has a better chance of getting new future readers on account of the $2.99 price point, expanding their product outside of comic book stores, and releasing them digitally the same day the physical copy comes out. As opposed to Marvel just constantly having new #1 issues at comic book stores at the $3.99 price point.

[Drz]

So who wants Captain Thunder canon?! :) I agree with Hippoe on the new readers, i mean we're still getting Batwoman #1 and GL is getting a Red Lantern spinoff, but yeah apparently some characters *are* getting bigger adjustments.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, it's look like a soft restart:
We have taken great care in maintaining continuity where most important, but fans will see a new approach to our storytelling.

Some of the characters will have new origins, while others will undergo minor changes. Our characters are always being updated; however, this is the first time all of our characters will be presented in a new way all at once.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-comics-revamp-retailer-letter-110531.html

[Primal Slayer]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-05-31-dc-comics-reinvents_n.htm

Well slap me in the face and call me Hippie Hunter's spit bucket. Oh and Diana gets another redesign. :p

Im fine with all the silver though to many Ws on her now. W choker, W tiara, W armband, W eagle.

[TheIncredibleSk]

Hmm, Its a brave new world at DC....

[trustyside-kick]

So, I guess it's another restart.

Yea but considering the time periods from the last 2 restarts it doesn't bug me. The rough timing between the Golden and Silver Age is like 20 years. Same between the Silver and the Modern Age. And this Modern Age lasted a bit past 30 years.

Which makes me wonder...what will the soon previous "Modern Age" be dubbed? Bronze Age is taken which is typically depicted as being late 70s and some people even dub the years just before COIE to be known as the Copper Age.

[SupermanEarth1]

I like the look but hate the fact that they are doing away with the marriage.

I hate that part. And I hate Barry for returning and making this happen and I hate Johns for making me buy SO only to change it less than a year after it came out and I hate Earth One for making me like the title only to become irrelevant unless this takes place on Earth One.

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[HighFivingMF]

Yea but considering the time periods from the last 2 restarts it doesn't bug me. The rough timing between the Golden and Silver Age is like 20 years. Same between the Silver and the Modern Age. And this Modern Age lasted a bit past 30 years.

Which makes me wonder...what will the soon previous "Modern Age" be dubbed? Bronze Age is taken which is typically depicted as being late 70s and some people even dub the years just before COIE to be known as the Copper Age.

The Iron Age?

[Assassin]

Um..if everyone is younger does this mean no Damian? No Dick as Batman? How many Robins were there now? No Kyle Raynor?

Why bother picking up books until September if they're just gonna erase some of the **** we are reading now?

as a loyal reader i didn't ask for this ****.

hopefully Batman is the only guy that knows about the change and his big even in the fall is him working to restore everything the way it was. :oldrazz:

[Drz]

I like the look but hate the fact that they are doing away with the marriage.

Noone has confirmed that.

And I hate Barry for returning and making this happen and I hate Johns for making me buy SO only to change it less than a year after it came out and I hate Earth One for making me like the title only to become irrelevant unless this takes place on Earth One.

Geoff Johns isn't forcing you to buy anything, Earth One is not irrelevant for you aslong as you keep enjoying it and DC keeps releasing material for it. Shane Davis is almost done with Book 2.

[Motown Marvel]

i am so uncomfortable with all of this. its just so unnecessary. and lee's costume designs generally suck. i cant believe how cheated i feel.

[Watchman]

Um..if everyone is younger does this mean no Damian? No Dick as Batman? How many Robins were there now? No Kyle Raynor?

Why bother picking up books until September if they're just gonna erase some of the **** we are reading now?

as a loyal reader i didn't ask for this ****.

hopefully Batman is the only guy that knows about the change and his big even in the fall is him working to restore everything the way it was. :oldrazz:

That would require Morrison to go along with the status quo and Morrison don't play that. :oldrazz:

Seriously I doubt the Batman books are not going to be effected. They are already very strong sale wise and Nolan's Batman movies have made a bijillion dollars so there's no reason for them to rebooted. I think they are in the clear.

[SupermanEarth1]

Noone has confirmed that.



Geoff Johns isn't forcing you to buy anything, Earth One is not irrelevant for you aslong as you keep enjoying it and DC keeps releasing material for it. Shane Davis is almost done with Book 2.I know but still I hate this news.

Also on a side note Mods I am lifting myself imposed exile for this news after that I plan on fading away till Man of Steel is released.

[Drz]

I know but still I hate this news.

You feel hatred because you assume the worst, you could feel love (<3) if you assume the best. :p

[Assassin]

I know but still I hate this news.

Also on a side note Mods I am lifting myself imposed exile for this news after that I plan on fading away till Man of Steel is released.


wait you banned yourself? lol

[SupermanEarth1]

You feel hatred because you assume the worst, you could feel love (<3) if you assume the best. :pIt's my sith side taking over.

I love that we are getting a reboot. I just for some reason feel that we just got a OMD with Superman all because of Barry a man I now despise unless he dies in Flashpoint then it might be worth it. I also am wondering what will happen to Conner anf Tim and the rest of the Titans.

[HighFivingMF]

You do know Barry Allen didn't write Flashpoint, right?

[SupermanEarth1]

wait you banned yourself? lol
Yea apparently when you ask for your accounts to be deactivated they Ban you instead of deactivate them.

[Assassin]

You know what, I can see 2 things happening. Barry dies again, or Wally beomes Kid Flash again and they erase Bart..

:down:

[Assassin]

Yea apparently when you ask for your accounts to be deactivated they Ban you instead of deactivate them.

can you get them back ever?

[Anubis]

Yea apparently when you ask for your accounts to be deactivated they Ban you instead of deactivate them.


Who the f**k are you anyway? Anybody we should know or something?

[SupermanEarth1]

You do know Barry Allen didn't write Flashpoint, right?
but he is the cause of it.

[Anubis]

but he is the cause of it.

Actually, that would be Geoff Johns.

[SupermanEarth1]

can you get them back ever?
probably if I asked for them but I don't care about them either. I mean I asked them to deactivate them I sure they can undo it. I just don't care post counts don't matter to me much.

Who the f**k are you anyway? Anybody we should know or something?I am known by many names

Conan
Superman13
Superman_

but many know me as
Ultimate_Superman.

[Anubis]

Ohhhhhh.

Well, okay.

[hippie_hunter]

In Superman #1, launching in September, we will see what appears to be a new uniform for Superman. Based on the usual style, but more segmented with scores, seams or raised lines running across and around his arms, legs and torso. Kneepads as part of a segmented bulky boot. And a belt that reflects the Superman shield shape. And involvement in some form by George Perez. I’m also told Rags Morales may be involved with Action Comics #1.

And moreover, I’m also told Superman appears younger than we’ve seen him of late, almost Superboyish. Ultimate Superman?

In September, Bleeding Cool has been told to expect a new Green Lantern team book, made up of one member from each of the differing Lantern emotional colour spectrum. Green, Yellow, Red, Blue, Indigo, Violet, Orange…. and Black?

Care Bear Stares each and every month! And some kind of Tyler Kirkham involvement.

I'm getting really wary with Superman now :csad:

[SupermanEarth1]

Actually, that would be Geoff Johns.His book started the mess he takes the blame. First for Wally, and now for Lois and Clark (maybe). I hate time travel.

[SupermanEarth1]

I'm getting really wary with Superman now :csad:
I am getting tired of GL why does he get to keep his look why the rest change why not change his look to the movie look.

[The Sage]

Yay, Superman's costume is changed unnecessarily. :dry:

I don't know about this Flashpoint business...

probably if I asked for them but I don't care about them either. I mean I asked them to deactivate them I sure they can undo it. I just don't care post counts don't matter to me much.

I am known by many names

Conan
Superman13
Superman_

but many know me as
Ultimate_Superman.

Figures, can't stay can you? :oldrazz:

[Drz]

His book started the mess he takes the blame. First for Wally, and now for Lois and Clark (maybe). I hate time travel.

Thats the most crazy fanboy logic i've seen! :p

[SupermanEarth1]

Yay, Superman's costume is changed unnecessarily. :dry:

I don't know about this Flashpoint business...



Figures, can't stay can you? :oldrazz:Oh I can stay I just don't feel like it :oldrazz:I think I am going to be more like musclesforsupes just pop up here every now and then.

[SupermanEarth1]

Thats the most crazy fanboy logic i've seen! :p
lol no crazy than that Tony Starks sex poster a while back.

[trustyside-kick]

Well this makes me think about another rumor that was talked about a while back. Looks like that in the New Earth when the JLA is formed the way it will go down in a nutshell is that the Big Three apparently go to Aquaman and pretty much say "we need you to lead us".

Johns talked about it in some interview during the early days of BD.

[Drz]

Aquaman being the field commander would be awesome fanboy wise atleast to me. :p But would he truly have the combat and stragetic skills compared to say Batman for shouting commands or Superman?

[Batman]

I'd say Aquaman's combat and strategic skills are above if not equal to Batman's. Bruce only trained himself for the terrain of less than half of the entire planet - Orin trained himself for the majority of it. And shouting commands has never been Aquaman's weak point. Dude did that well before he had his throne.

[Great1]

So, I'm guessing this "reboot" is gonna be like Zero Hour?
Just some minor changes, but it's not going to de-canonize anything?

[trustyside-kick]

Aquaman always had combative and tactician skills. To be honest if anyone is fit to lead them it would be him or Wonder Woman since they have had experience leading armies and the JLA is a small meta-army. Supes is strong as hell yea but he never truly fights he has almost Hulk-syndrome and just "Hulk Smash I don't have to try to dodge and evade as much because I'm pretty much invulnerable" when he fights. Not enough writers write him with better fighting capability and mixing in his multiple abilities. Batman's trademark is always his detective mind...he may be written in Morrison stories as the guy who ends up finding out a major weakness or way to win but when has he ever led them? It's just not in the cards IMO.

[Drz]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/31/flashpast-brian-clevinger-dropped-from-firestorm-before-you-even-knew-he-was-on-it/

And thanks guys for reassuring Aquaman would make the most outrageous field commander out there. :p I wonder if tomorrow can get #1 JL comic cover, i wanna see Bruce and Flash too! Also gotta remember Batman will also be a JLI member. :p

[trustyside-kick]

So, I'm guessing this "reboot" is gonna be like Zero Hour?
Just some minor changes, but it's not going to de-canonize anything?

No, looks like the changes will be like COIE was. Like the changing of the Golden Age to the Silver Age. The Silver Age to the Modern Age (via COIE). This will bring a brand spanking new Age looks like from the article that was released. Everyone is younger and such. Younger as in just starting out or a few years after starting out their superhero gigs looks like.

[louiebling$]

So am I reading this write...will there be a Digital Subscription for Comics?

[Assassin]

i might have to buy an ipad2 now.

[HighFivingMF]

Just read #2... Holy ****.

[Kevin]

i might have to buy an ipad2 now.
I said he same.

[Panthro]

No, looks like the changes will be like COIE was. Like the changing of the Golden Age to the Silver Age. The Silver Age to the Modern Age (via COIE). This will bring a brand spanking new Age looks like from the article that was released. Everyone is younger and such. Younger as in just starting out or a few years after starting out their superhero gigs looks like.
So... does this mean they're undoing the marriage of Superman & Lois Lane and resetting Wally West as Kid Flash?

[louiebling$]

Will it ONLY be on the iPad?

[Tron Bonne]

So... does this mean they're undoing the marriage of Superman & Lois Lane and resetting Wally West as Kid Flash?

We don't know. It seems to be me, from what's been said, is that is kind of a halfway point between Zero Hour and COIE. It's not a complete and total reboot of continuity, but the changes are obviously larger scale than simply cutting and shifting backgrounds. Though, a lot of this is simply speculation. We don't know the details of it, yet.

[Stallion9979]

So... does this mean they're undoing the marriage of Superman & Lois Lane and resetting Wally West as Kid Flash?

Like the first part but not too keen on the second...I understand character progression and all that nonsense but I feel they never should've gotten married...


I like Wally as Flash and I hate what they did with Barry...to me I think he should've came back to help during Blackest Night and then went on to the great beyond...as bad as it sounds the last 25 years was all about Wally transitioning from sidekick to A-List hero...to have Barry back really ruins Wally...a demotion in any way is a real slap in the face to long time fans...

[Tron Bonne]

Interesting that character progression is nonsense to you, especially when you feel that way about Flash :/

I've never understood why some people took Lois and Supes shouldn't be together. I mean, hell, the original creator wanted them to be. If he'd had his way they would have been a Super couple back in the Golden Age.

[Stallion9979]

Interesting that character progression is nonsense to you, especially when you feel that way about Flash :/

I've never understood why some people took Lois and Supes shouldn't be together. I mean, hell, the original creator wanted them to be. If he'd had his way they would have been a Super couple back in the Golden Age.

Yes but in the case of the Flash they are burying a member of the Big 7 to bring back a Silver Ager...yes I know the importance Barry Allen played but thats what made his death so iconic...if you think about it he was the one guy that proved death could be somewhat final...in an age where characters die and come back all the time he stayed gone for almost 30 years...brining him back and letting him sacrifice himself again in the recent Blackest Night would've cemented him as a legend...but now he's back running around like nothing happened and Wally West who picked up the torch and shined for 25 years is now being devolved to kid sidekick...thats just horrible...

Lois and Clark as a married couple just bother me for some reason and it always has...don't ask me why cuz I can't put my finger on it...it just always seemed wrong to me...

[Anubis]

Don't ask you why? Okay. I"m just gonna assume you're racist. :o

[Stallion9979]

Don't ask you why? Okay. I"m just gonna assume you're racist. :o

well...um...that's one way to go...I guess...um...yeah...I didn't know what to do with that...:huh:

[Motown Marvel]

so not much really happened in the new issue of flashpoint. they have a lot of characters playing out a lot of stories and not enough pages to do it in. so overall, it just seems like not much happened. the last page, which i assume was supposed to be shocking, just had me rolling my eyes.

[HighFivingMF]

which i assume was supposed to be shocking,

:awesome:

[Motown Marvel]

ha ha, i didnt even catch that :D

by the way, my friend and i both agreed that the cover of the book looks like flash taking a huge dump. we then further agreed this was symbolic of geoff johns taking a huge dump on the fans. we then continued to blame geoff johns for everything wrong in our lives.

[Motown Marvel]

oh, did anyone pick up the tie-ins? or do you also just kinda not care...?

[Tron Bonne]

I picked up Secret Seven, but haven't read it yet. I might pick up Citizen Cold and Frankenstein.

[TheCorpulent1]

oh, did anyone pick up the tie-ins? or do you also just kinda not care...?
The latter. To the extent that I'm skipping the whole event.

[Tron Bonne]

I'm skipping the main mini, but I had to pick up Milligan and Perez doing something with Shade and Amethyst. It...beckoned me.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/31/flashpast-brian-clevinger-dropped-from-firestorm-before-you-even-knew-he-was-on-it/

And thanks guys for reassuring Aquaman would make the most outrageous field commander out there. :p I wonder if tomorrow can get #1 JL comic cover, i wanna see Bruce and Flash too! Also gotta remember Batman will also be a JLI member. :p
Aw, Clevinger's awesome. I would've totally read a Ronnie/Jason Firestorm under him. Maybe Ronnie would've even rediscovered his sense of humor.

[TheIncredibleSk]

You should pick it up. First issue was good and im hearing second issue was better.

[Tron Bonne]

You should pick it up. First issue was good and im hearing second issue was better.

I may pick up the trade or something. I got the first Flash trade from Johns' run, and I'm thinking about getting the second when it hits later this year. This would be, I guess, a natural progression to have his whole set.

[Mystirious]

I'm skipping the main mini, but I had to pick up Milligan and Perez doing something with Shade and Amethyst. It...beckoned me.

It's the only thing about Flashpoint that sounds good :up:

Amethyst is adorable and fun any series with her in it be getting the :up: from me

[trustyside-kick]

Huh...what happens to Aqualad 2 Jackson Hyde? All this BD build-up that Johns does and emphasis and then come end of summer all the DCU reboots? Lol. Is Garth not going to exist? Will he simply already be Tempest? The reason I ask this is because if that is the case I have a feeling that if DC wants to keep some characters they focused on lately they would likely do something like "Garth was the first Aqualad and there was a first incarnation of the TT etc etc" but now he is Tempest...so maybe Dick would be Nightwing and not Robin? Also everyone seemed to love the introduction of Jackson and his origins and Johns is one of the big guns moving all of these cogs and BD was his baby too.

All this focus on the Big 7 JLAers, largely 5 of the 7 so far seems to be the focus means that they can only screw with the original TT so much. My guess is that we might see flashback arcs of the original TT team but that the original sidekicks are in their respective "young adult" superhero threads. Except for Wally...that is where my confusion lies because I doubt that to help with new readers that they would start a new DCU with 2 Flashes (not even considering Jay Garrick Flash just Barry and Wally here) if the original TT sidekicks are done in this way.

[Anubis]

Who the f**k is Jackson Hyde?

[Mystirious]

He's the new Aqualad 'Nubs :up:

[trustyside-kick]

Aqualad 2

[Anubis]

Eh.

[Drz]

Aqualad 2

I hope John just makes Garth tempest or pulls a Young Justice. New characters like Blue Beetle, Lesbian Batwoman and Jackson Hyde are all safe, infact we'll prolly see him in Fabien's Teen Titans.

[Assassin]

BLAqualad

[Assassin]

i got the buttons!

[Drz]

Flashpoint #2 was great! My Aquaman fanboy craves alittle more of Aquaman but hey i know i'm getting it, the main villain of the enemy is taunting our two protagonists and the way Geoff Johns handled Wonder Woman was really good. Liking the design and interrogation scene alot, like yeah that helm is sexy! Thomas Wayne keeps being awesome and yeah it really does seem he is going to die at the end of this to help Barry, i wonder how thats gonna go down? An "epic" battle againts Aquaman and Wonder Woman perhaps? Him just going at them, dying and them giving some melodramatic shout "save us all Barry!" or something? :p Also i liked Clayface being a pirate. :p Really reader friendly material too.

Azzarello's Batdad is really good, i love the grumpy old man takes on heroes like Wolverine and Batman, any chance i can read about a grumpy Captain America or Punisher?! :p I also like how innotive the Wayne casino idea is and it also would make sense, Penguin's role was great and something that could work on a canon universe. :) I'm still abit curious how Thomas Wayne decides who goes to Arkham and whos killed. Also the **** hits the fan with Abin Sur and Sinestro going againts the Guardians, pew pew!

[SouLeSS]

Please tell me I'm not the only guy who was cracking up at that last page of Flashpoint 2.

[Drz]

Nope. Geoff Johns knows how to do humour well, this is much better than the constant hamburger jokes he started after the initial hilariousness of "2 hamburgers!"

[trustyside-kick]

How is it that people have Flashpoint 2 already when the DC site says it comes out on June 8th? :huh:

The reason I didn't pick up my comics at my LCS yesterday was because the site said that on the 8th Issue 2 comes out as well as Emperor Aquaman and my LCS is not necessarily a hassle to get to but traffic is a ***** in Houston and yesterday I didn't wanna deal with it since the book most important to me would be coming out the following week.

[yenaled]

Don't go off DC's website go off Diamond.

[Motown Marvel]

i hope a year down the line we get an event called "REVERSE FLASHPOINT!". in the story, Zoom finds himself in a situation where he needs barry allen's help, and so he has to reverse everything he did in flashpoint to get at barry. and then everything will be fun and collar free again :(

[Lord Valumart]

Wasn't the blot that hit Barry in the first place himself doing some wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff?

I did like the batcave and Wayne being a grumpy bastard. So far, really good, apart from Cybrog who just doesn't fit for me.

[Aesculapius]

I am loving this story so far. They even manage to make... well, I'll put this delicately considering where I am saying it, the characters of Aquaman and Wonder Woman seem interesting to me, when I generally do not find them as such.

Also, Thomas Wayne as a rotten old bastard version of Batman makes the whole thing worthwhile. I plan on picking up the stories released today as well. Really want to see the Wonder Woman story next week.

[HighFivingMF]

Wally has a small part in Citizen Cold. FYI.

[Timstuff]

Wally has a small part in Citizen Cold. FYI.

Yay... A small part in an issue of what used to be his own comic series. Thanks for that, DC. :dry:

[HighFivingMF]

Yay... A small part in an issue of what used to be his own comic series. Thanks for that, DC. :dry:

Wally used to star in a mini-series tie-in that didn't exist until two days ago? :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. And it was awesome. :cmad:

[Aesculapius]

Deathstroke's pirate story is 10 kinds of badass. Why must these be mere miniseries?

[Aesculapius]

Aaaand this week's Wonder Woman was disappointing. Here I was hoping for an awesome story involving this universe's version of her like other books have been doing, and all it did was waste an entire issue on backstory.... of a temporary timeline...

WHY?!?!

Hopefully the next 2 will make up for this madness. This was one of the ones I was most excited to read because this version of the character seems interesting... But the entire issue only focused around the events leading up to this... When you are doing a timeline like flashpoint, you just talk about the backstory... You don't waste issues showing it!

-_-

Hope the other 3 flaspoint titles released this week are less disappointing.

[Drz]

Wonder Woman vs. Aquaman is concldued in Flashpoint. The 3 issue mini for Diana and Aquaman are pretty much backstory and explaining their motivations.

EDIT: My thoughts on the WW issue:
I'm abit curious whats the real masterplan here, i mean are Orm and Artemis really determined to have thousands of their own people die just so they can't form the allience, or do they wish to break this alliance because they can't trust the human lands? I dunno it just seems so insane for these people to masterplan a war just so there wouldn't be an alliance between the two nations. Still i liked the twist because at first people thought Aquaman was the spartan jerk, but it seems Aquamana nd Diana are just victims of a situation, infact all Flashpoint heroes seem to be a victim. Superman was captured by the government, Thomas Wayne's son died and his wife became the Joker, Cyborg is the only noble hearted hero in a world withouth heroes, Aquaman and Diana's dream for a peace are ruined and so forth. Ouchies.

[trustyside-kick]

Orm is a villain through and through. Bottom line. Period. Don't see why that should surprise you. It isn't all exposed and finished of course but pretty sure he just wants to see his brother suffer. That's pretty much always his motive for anything he does.

[Drz]

Their motivations, i mean they're gonna cause alot of death for their own people because of this.

[trustyside-kick]

Orm never gate two-*****s about the Atlantean people. One time he took over places in Atlantis and ended up destroying them himself. Then there are the places he just desecrated period. As long as his brother suffers, he's good. I can't speak for Artemis but Orm's motive fits. Best to think of Orm and Orin's relationship being similar to that of Loki and Thor. As long as Orm gets what he wants, he doesn't care who he sacrifices.

I also wonder if Orm is still half Atlantean or not. Because Johns said that while Aquaman is half Atlantean again much stuff that came from the Modern Day Origin is intact...but concerning Ocean Master I wonder. First origin for the two being half brothers was through Aquaman's then human father, not his Atlantean mother. Then the next origin for Orm made them brothers through Aquaman's Atlantean father--Atlan--and Orm's mother was the one that was human. Granted this is Flashpoint BUT it seems that just like since Brightest looks like Flashpoint Aquaman is half human.

My assumption is that they are now going to be brothers through their mother being Atlantean and Orm might be half human again or full blown Atlantean this time around.

[Drz]

Well then it just seems silly for the Amazons to make a plan to avoid having anything to do with the Atlantaens by.... Having a war with them and thus keeping in contact with their society thru war. Now i can accept that Orm stuff, but Artemiiiiiiiiiiiiis!

[trustyside-kick]

Anyone know if Artemis has ever been somewhat..."bad" in the history of the WW comics? Or anyone somewhat of a WW expert concerning Artemis? Only justification I can think of is that well they are essentially a group of warrior women so she'd could just see that the end justifies the means...perhaps?

[Tron Bonne]

Anyone know if Artemis has ever been somewhat..."bad" in the history of the WW comics? Or anyone somewhat of a WW expert concerning Artemis? Only justification I can think of is that well they are essentially a group of warrior women so she'd could just see that the end justifies the means...perhaps?

*Sigh*

But anyway, no, she's not really "bad", but the Amazons in general have been more villain like in recent years, so I guess it's kind of hard to judge anymore. What she did in the mini I wouldn't take a common thing to do, about the only reason is for it to be some kind of secret coup for the Bana tribe or something. I don't know, hopefully it becomes clearer in the next few issues.

[Aesculapius]

Wonder Woman vs. Aquaman is concldued in Flashpoint. The 3 issue mini for Diana and Aquaman are pretty much backstory and explaining their motivations.



Except Aquaman's didn't waste the entire issue on backstory. It flashed back. That much was appropriate and a really good read. We got to see what Aquaman is in this timeline and why.

Wonder Woman the entire issue was spent on backstory and revealed nothing of the current character. It was very disappointing in that respect. (Ed. Seriously wanted to see some of the current character. Not a big WW fan in the least, but she seemed to have one of the more interesting changes in the Flashpoint series, and I just felt gipped by absolutely none of this month's issue being spent on that.)

EDIT: Just read the other 3 for this week. Really awesome. Deadman and the Flying Graysons was pretty spectacular in particular. Really liked Fate's appearance in that one as well.

[Assassin]

So far the 3 i read were all good.

Deadman and the Graysons :up:
Batman :up:
Deathstroke and the curse of the Ravager :up:

[Aesculapius]

So far the 3 i read were all good.

Deadman and the Graysons :up:
Batman :up:
Deathstroke and the curse of the Ravager :up:

IMO they are all pretty good so far. Even WW was good, just really disappointing because it is the only one so far that doesn't actually deal with the current timeline or character at all, just what led to it.

I really hope they make up for that in the next two.

[hippie_hunter]

But the backstory was necessary for Wonder Woman because they need to show why Wonder Woman and Aquaman are at war with each other.

[Assassin]

didn't get the point of Legion of Doom though :huh:

[Aesculapius]

But the backstory was necessary for Wonder Woman because they need to show why Wonder Woman and Aquaman are at war with each other.
Eh, my opinion. That backstory could have definitely been condensed and turned into flashbacks or just mentioned breifly. Wasting an entire issue on that story probably was not even remotely necessary.


didn't get the point of Legion of Doom though :huh:
The Hall of Doom is a maximum security prison in this timeline. What's to get? =p

[Pyro Man]

Deathstroke's pirate story is 10 kinds of badass. Why must these be mere miniseries?

Absolutely. Ditch real Deathstroke and have pirate Deathstroke be the only one in the main DCU.

So far I think Frankenstein and the Creatures of the Unknown is the best tie in. Sure it thus far doesn't relate to the main plot (other than the creatures apparently being stored on the same base a Superman) but to me it was just the most fun one thus far and I'm pretty stoked for the Frankenstein ongoing coming in September.

I also really enjoyed Batman and Secret Seven. Of the two summer events from the big two this is definitely the one I'm enjoying more.

[Laughing guy]

I really enjoyed the Grayson's and deadman. I have not had a chance to read deathstroke but it looks really good. I really like batman and also I loved green lantern

[sethypants]

omg guys what happened in reverse flash this week? im too excited can't wait till tmr till i buy it. i need spoilers

[HighFivingMF]

omg guys what happened in reverse flash this week? im too excited can't wait till tmr till i buy it. i need spoilers

He just talked about the stuff he did to Barry from his perspective.

[Aesculapius]

Absolutely. Ditch real Deathstroke and have pirate Deathstroke be the only one in the main DCU.

So far I think Frankenstein and the Creatures of the Unknown is the best tie in. Sure it thus far doesn't relate to the main plot (other than the creatures apparently being stored on the same base a Superman) but to me it was just the most fun one thus far and I'm pretty stoked for the Frankenstein ongoing coming in September.

I also really enjoyed Batman and Secret Seven. Of the two summer events from the big two this is definitely the one I'm enjoying more.

Frankenstien was pretty awesome. Was a pretty good teaser for Project S as well.

Picked up this week's as well. I was cool with the Reverse Flash till I found out it is a one shot. It really didn't say anything that we didn't already know before Flashpoint... In that sense it was even worse than WW, but I still found it a really enjoyable read. If nothing else it gives us his mindset.

Speaking of WW, Lois Lane and the Resistance made up for it's complete lack of a look at the perspective of the Amazons in this timeline as well as giving us a better look at Cyborg's part in this whole mess. Some cool stuff in that one. It's really odd how some of the tie ins you wouldn't expect to be great are turning out to be some of the better ones. Really made me appreciate the backstory presented in WW #1 more too.

Kid Flash was pretty cool. Not a lot more to say about that other than Hot Pursuit is better as a female. =p

The Outsider was also interesting... again, not a lot more to add about that one. Just a fun read. Was kinda surprised to find out he is an original character in this series.

Anyway, not one book in the series I'm disappointed in having picked up. Love this story so much.

[Drz]

Frankenstein was awesome and i'm happy that the Werewolf and Vampire are making a comeback in the mainstream universe too, it's like Hellboy of DC Universe, i'm checking it out. <3

Lois Lane and the Resistance had good art and characters, we get to see Hawkgirl and Artemis and we saw what they had done to Britain which was AWESOME, but heres my issue: So the amazons sanked their own island? Because Aquaman was there? I don't know that just sounds.... Stupid?

[sethypants]

man. i really thought we're gonna get some idea on whats going on this week, i was so set that reverse flash is going to reveal about how he messed up the world. guess i thought wrong.

[Tron Bonne]

Frankenstein was awesome and i'm happy that the Werewolf and Vampire are making a comeback in the mainstream universe too, it's like Hellboy of DC Universe, i'm checking it out. <3

Lois Lane and the Resistance had good art and characters, we get to see Hawkgirl and Artemis and we saw what they had done to Britain which was AWESOME, but heres my issue: So the amazons sanked their own island? Because Aquaman was there? I don't know that just sounds.... Stupid?

Haven't read the issue, but yes, that does sound pretty stupid. Though, what do mean he was there? Did he take it over or something?

[Drz]

"We believe amazonians destroyed and sank their home island of Themyscira in an effort to exact revenge on the ruling class of Atlantis, particularly king Arthur of Atlantis, who was on the island at the time.." Thats what the news reporter says at the start of the issue.

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, well, that kind of does leave context out. If by 'on the island', they mean he was occupying, it makes more sense. It's not something I'd really see them doing even then, but there's a degree of sense to it. If he was just kind of there but not really occupying or anything, yeah, pretty dumb.

[chamber-music]

I was reading Lois Lane and the Resistance what happened to Scotland and Ireland?

Its not on the map of the United Kingdom

[Mystirious]

Reverse Flash is racist

He changed history so Ireland and Scotland never existed :dry:

[chamber-music]

I guess either when the Amazonians took over Britain raising the land mass they sunk scotland and Ireland or the Atlanteans flooded the Ireland and the scottish part of Britain.

[Pyro Man]

Frankenstein was awesome and i'm happy that the Werewolf and Vampire are making a comeback in the mainstream universe too, it's like Hellboy of DC Universe, i'm checking it out. <3


Wait so they're gonna be in the new Frankenstein series? I was already planning on buying it but that just solidifies that for me.

[Drz]

Wait so they're gonna be in the new Frankenstein series? I was already planning on buying it but that just solidifies that for me.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/20/talking-about-the-dc-relaunch-at-calgary-and-philadelphia/

Jeff Lemire says that Frankenstein is a dream job, working with a Grant Morrison character, and he confirmed Lady Frankenstein and the Creature Commandos will be key characters, part of the team, “an absurd monster mash up”. S.H.A.D.E. stands for Super Human Action Defense Executive. He had to sell DC on the artist Ponticelli, and Jeff believes he has really let loose on this book.

[Pyro Man]

Awesome :up:

[Mystirious]

I just love the design of Lady Frankenstein she looks so neat and bad ass

And I have to :hrt: a woman with all those extra hands :awesome:

[hippie_hunter]

I was reading Lois Lane and the Resistance what happened to Scotland and Ireland?

Its not on the map of the United Kingdom

The Map of Flashpoint looks like it merged Ireland with what was left of Great Britain.

[Hush]

If the Amazonians really tried to sink Themsycara because Aquaman was there they are retarded the man is Super Strong and oh yeah he can BREATH underwater!

[Mystirious]

That plot point really doesnt make much sense does it

They tried to defeat a group of people that breathes underwater by drowning them

A move worthy of Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War :dry:

[hippie_hunter]

Aquaman was on the island at the time, that is why they sank it. And even though you can breathe underwater, getting hit by a massive amount of water at a really high speed is still going to feel like getting slammed by a brick wall. Aquaman has super strength, and can handle a lot, but he isn't invulnerable.

[Anubis]

Good thing he can head butt threw a brick wall.

[hippie_hunter]

Good thing he can head butt threw a brick wall.

Okay, a brick wall is a poor example. More like getting slammed by a massive amount of water at a really high speed is like getting hit by an asteroid going faster than the speed of sound.

[Anubis]

Oh, well, I'm sure that would hurt.

[TheCorpulent1]

I firmly believe Aquaman has headbutted his way through many asteroids, personally. :o

[trustyside-kick]

Verily.

[Laughing guy]

I have yet to be let down by the flashpoint series i have liked every issue that has come out. I really liked the reason why aquaman and wonder women hate each other. Just got Kid flash lost today going to read that. I'm sure it will be good though.

[Assassin]

The Hall of Doom is a maximum security prison in this timeline. What's to get? =p

i get that, i don't get the point of the book. it's like, who cares?

[Mystirious]

I firmly believe Aquaman has headbutted his way through many asteroids, personally. :o

He has headbutted many of them away from Earth and saved all of humanity :up:

He just doesn't mention it much because he is modest :up:

[Assassin]

Lois looked hott in that dress :up:

[Mystirious]

This is very true :atp:

[Laughing guy]

she did look very hott

[chamber-music]

They killed lil Jimmy!

[sethypants]

thought i was in for 3 issues of boring romance of hal jordan. was pleasently surprised at the end of issue 1.
project superman was just confusing, i still have no idea who the guy on the cover was even after reading it. The suspense is killing me.

[Aesculapius]

And another week passes where the one I expect to entertain me the least winds up being my favorite. Three cheers for the Canterbury Cricket. (Disappointed to find it is a one-shot.)

Project Superman was pretty cool, but not being a huge DC reader, I must say that is the one that confused me most so far as to who everyone is. ReEDIT: Had to re read it a couple times, but I get it now. Way badass. Actually, this may be one of my favorites so far. I just missed an important page the first time and missed how this worked chronologically the first two times, lol. Man it's going to suck for me when this is over in August, because I've become a huge fan of this take on DC. XD

The other two were really good reads as well.

Now it's time for the second rounds!

[Mystirious]

They killed lil Jimmy!

Nooooooo ;_;

[Aesculapius]

thought i was in for 3 issues of boring romance of hal jordan. was pleasently surprised at the end of issue 1.
project superman was just confusing, i still have no idea who the guy on the cover was even after reading it. The suspense is killing me. Missed this.

The guy is just some guy named Sinclair who volunteered for government testing, I'd suggest another read through, but if you want to know the details pieced together anyway... He had his DNA combined with that of an an alien, Project 6 from Booster Gold's storyline. Project 6 is revealed in the recent Booster Gold to be Doomsday. So yeah, that is some bad news, right there.

Yeah, first reaction is "Huh?" then "Huh!" then "WOAH!"

Definitely one of the best stories in this so far.

[sethypants]

Missed this.

The guy is just some guy named Sinclair who volunteered for government testing, I'd suggest another read through, but if you want to know the details pieced together anyway... He had his DNA combined with that of an an alien, Project 6 from Booster Gold's storyline. Project 6 is revealed in the recent Booster Gold to be Doomsday. So yeah, that is some bad news, right there.

Yeah, first reaction is "Huh?" then "Huh!" then "WOAH!"

Definitely one of the best stories in this so far.

Right, I didn't went back to look at Booster Gold, woah okay this all makes sense, cos i kept thinking why is it that sinclair has his powers before supes arrive, I just assumed that the xray vision super speed and flight were extracted from supes and i kept looking around to see where did they hid supes. It was all so confusing until u mentioned Project 6 in Booster Gold. NAISE Now i get it......

[Drz]

Batman: Knight of Vengeance #2 preview! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=9134)

I really do like how Oswald is apparenly part of Thomas' war on crusade, it makes me think would Penguin be this too if Batman had this casino thing going on and they would be scamming other criminals to get rich themselves, i mean i'm sure Oswald is getting a share. Flashpoint Oracle is interesting, what is her backstory? Really wanna know what happened to Catwoman to make her this way.

[sethypants]

Neil Sinclair is....
Apollo???? http://insidepulse.com/2011/06/30/dc-comics-relaunch-flashpoints-project-superman-neil-sinclair-is-champion-of-light-apollo/

Didnt expect that.

[sethypants]

Really wanna see how will flashpoint change history such that barbara could walk again.

[Gunner]

I'm really enjoying most of these. Reverse Flash was a little boring since it's... well.. samey? The Outsider was quite cool though, and I'm curious to see where they go with the Project Superman one too. Frankenstein was really enjoyable too.

In fact, I think it would be interesting to see if they kept this "universe" going a little longer, though that obviously won't happen >_<

[Assassin]

Just read Abin Sur #1, Hal Jordan #1 and Green Arrow Industries one shot, all are pretty good :up:

[Drz]

Flashpoint #3: Midpoint of 'Flashpoint' focuses on heroic relationships (http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-07-05-Midpoint-of-Flashpoint-comic-focuses-on-heroic-relationships_n.htm)

The third issue puts the focus back on Barry trying to make sense of his situation with his world gone kablooey, and his relationship with Wayne, the Flashpoint Batman, as well as American's key superguy, Cyborg.

"Right now, Barry looks like he's a crazy man to the Batman of this world, and he's gotta not only convince him but then get him to convince Cyborg to join them on this mission where they're trying to unite the heroes that do exist and turn around this war that's happening," Berganza says.

"It's even an issue you can jump on to. One of the scenes we have really says what's going on clearly, so it's not too late to jump and see what's going on. It's the flashpoint for the series itself. This is the part where it either makes it or breaks it from Barry's point of view: Can he be taken seriously, and what does he do next?"

Some talk about Thomas Wayne Batman:
Thomas Wayne makes a crack under his cowl that he's getting too old, and this is a Batman who's older than the regular Bruce Wayne version. For his Knight of Vengeance miniseries, writer Brian Azzarello used as a reference a picture of Clint Eastwood's gruff, weathered character from Gran Torino.

His crimefighting skill set is a little different, too, since Thomas Wayne is a doctor by trade.

"This Batman uses those techniques, whether it's sedatives or the way he knows pressure points," Berganza says. "Anything a doctor is knowledgeable with is the way this Batman fights.

"He's less idealistic — if that's possible — than our Batman because he is older and less willing to take all the guff that anybody else would. At this point, he's seen everything and it's all been bad, so the idea that this man appears to him and promises something else is a relief. What else does he have to lose? With him finding hope and the idea of letting his son live, he finally finds something to believe in."
on Flashpoint Superman
When we do meet the man from Krypton who is our Superman in Flashpoint, it proves how important human contact was for him, and what he is without it, according to Berganza. Like Aquaman and Wonder Woman, who aren't just "mustache-twirling villains," they're all still heroes at their core but they've been pushed in sometimes unfortunate directions.

"You can see how a good person can go down the wrong road just because of some one incident where they let their emotions take over," Berganza says. "They don't have any fallback friends as far as what the Justice League represents in our world: the ideas these guys could bounce off each other and relate and have that human contact.

Elemental Woman (Who will become a JL member) and the European Resistance are also part of the issue. I liked the preview, i really wanna see some Barry + Bruce Batman in JL since Barry's a cop and Batman's a detective, you'd imagen they could easily become the best of friends.

[Oberon sexton]

Drz you the constant bearer of cool news http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

I'm really interested in what they do with Superman. I'm hoping for some creepy Akira sort of stuff :woot:

[Drz]

#4 variant:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1309884220.jpg

Ya for Captain Thunder! I'm also curious how Superman reacts to being saved, does he hate humanity or is he a Superman with an angts.

[Cain]

BWAHAHAHA Flashpoint's Kal-El is none other than

DJ Qualls :awesome:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Premiere+Black+Dynamite+2009+Tribeca+Film+2gsZbi6u bkPl.jpg

My heart broke when they showed Krypto :csad: but seeing Grifter also put a grin on my face :woot:

Good ish.

[HighFivingMF]

My heart broke when they showed Krypto [/SPOILER]


I didn't realize that's what it was at first until I saw Barry's reaction and I was like :csad:

[Anubis]

SPOILER ALERT!!!! Don't look if you don't wanna be spoiled. Cuz if you look, and you're spoiled and pissed, well it's your own damn fault now ain't it ya douche bag!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/gs2-600x490.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/gs3.jpg

[Cain]

I suppose it's safe to say that subject 3 is Kara? and if so then big bad Gen. NO LONGER Captain Atom will send her after Mr. Qualls?

Everybody on the internet was right on with the speculation about Joker's ID BTW. Knight of Vengeance was top class storytelling. This whole event in general has actually been surprisingly worth the read; tie-in's and all. All the new dynamics creating some spontaneity in the narrative was badly needed. I could see why it's being used as a relaunch template in many areas.

[DaveMoral]

So Martha Wayne is Joker?

Crazy.

[Motown Marvel]

uuuggghhhhh, this event sucks. the stuff with superman in today's issue was kinda cool. but the stuff with flash and everything else suuuuucked.

[Mystirious]

Is Krypto dead :csad:

I think I'm going to cry if he is :(

Like the twist about the Joker's identity. Its not surprising that Thomas wound up going so nuts

[chamber-music]

I love how
They rescued Supes and he just flew away :funny:

So I wonder what all the Robins are up too in the flashpoint universe. We know what happened to Gordon and Selena

[Mystirious]

Well Damian was never born. Dick might be appearing in that Flying Graysons mini series maybe :)

[HighFivingMF]

I love how
They rescued Supes and he just flew away :funny:

So I wonder what all the Robins are up too in the flashpoint universe. We know what happened to Gordon and Selena

Dick has a Flashpoint book. He's still with the Flying Graysons.

[Mystirious]

:up:

Personally I'm hoping that the series is about him and Deadman embarking on a perilous quest to get a burger

[chamber-music]

Oh yeah I forgot about Dick Grayson comic with deadman.

Jason Todds probably still out there stealing hub caps

[HighFivingMF]

In Flashpoint universe, hubcaps steal Jason Todd.

[Mystirious]

And raise him as one of their own in the magical land of the hubcaps

[HighFivingMF]

And raise him as one of their own in the magical land of the hubcaps

Until The Novelty Horn beats him to death with an exhaust pipe.

[Mystirious]

Until The Novelty Horn beats him to death with an exhaust pipe.

The Batmobiles headlights narrow

[Karelia]

Just read Dastardly Death of the Rogues. I thought it was awesome. I loved Barry in this. Seems to be better written than in Flash: Rebirth. Although I still loved that graphic novel.

Can't wait til the next volume releases. :D

[hippie_hunter]

Oh yeah I forgot about Dick Grayson comic with deadman.

Jason Todds probably still out there stealing hub caps

Flashpoint Jason Todd is actually a former drug addict who got his life back together and became a priest.

[Mystirious]

He makes the altar boys dress up as Robin :dry:

[hippie_hunter]

He makes the altar boys dress up as Robin :dry:
Nope, he's a kindly priest.

[Oberon sexton]

"I need an adult!"
"I AM an adult."

[Assassin]

Flashpoint Jason Todd is actually a former drug addict who got his life back together and became a priest.

what issue was this in?

[hippie_hunter]

what issue was this in?

World of Flashpoint #2

[Assassin]

sweet!

[Assassin]

Just read Flashpoint #3, Abin Sur #2 and Batman #2 wowwww

i haven't been this entertained in an event in a long time. :up:

[Laughing guy]

Just read Flashpoint #3, Abin Sur #2 and Batman #2 wowwww

i haven't been this entertained in an event in a long time. :up:

I agree 100% man this has been one of the best DC story lines in a long time. I could not believe who the joker ended up being!

[Mystirious]

Yep even though it wasnt the most surprising plot twist I still thought it was neat that the Joker turned out to be Martha Wayne

Nope, he's a kindly priest.

Jason Todd is kind

That proves that something is seriously wrong with the world of Flashpoint

[Oberon sexton]

The part where Thomas "helps" that guy infected by joker venom was really creepy, as was Gordon's final moments. and a nice Renee Montoya cameo!

[Mystirious]

The part where Thomas "helps" that guy infected by joker venom was really creepy, as was Gordon's final moments. and a nice Renee Montoya cameo!

Any comic that has an appearance by Renee Montoya instantly becomes more epicly epic :up:

[chamber-music]

Flashpoint Jason Todd is actually a former drug addict who got his life back together and became a priest.
Should of had him addicted to venom.

[Mystirious]

Winners dont do Venom chamber -music :up:

[Drz]

i haven't been this entertained in an event in a long time. :up:

Yeah, Blackest Night had a huge build up and tons of great tie-ins and a general story, Flashpoint didn't have that much build up but all these wonderful tie-ins and great story in general are making it even better than Blackest Night, not to mention its only 5 issues so those who felt BN was dragging, they shouldn't feel the way for Flashpoint.

Batman Knight of Vengeance #2 was disturbingly great, you want dark? Azzarello gives you grim dark! I love what a great manipulat the Joker was towards the end, it shows us more how badly Gotham has fallen with Bullock and Renee being just "losers" more or less. Thomas' Batmobile was fantastic and i loved the last page, what Thomas says there is just full of anger, and the Joker's reaction to it is classic Joker.

Abin Sur #2 has this great epic scope that the Lanterns always should contain, but ultimately i don't have much to comment on that one because we pretty much knew most of what the issue told us.

Flashpoint #3 was absolutely fantastic! It's character focuserd and builds up for the big world war between Aquaman and Wonder Woman, we get more great Barry + Batman moments, i loved how crazy Barry seems to go with his plan and Batman is just letting this happen because he's so willing to do anything to save his son, seriously Batman will do an heroic sacrifise and the story finishes with a Loeb style Batman narration about how the world is now a greater place and whatnot, i could bet my Mother on it! Superman's reveal (despite us seeing it in Project Superman #3 solicitation) was still a great reveal, because the mentioned cover made Supes look like a child, but the truth was much more shocking, they really captured the Alien in Superman. Captain Thunder next issue, oh yeah! <3 Oh and Grifter is a badass. :D

[chamber-music]

Flashpoint makes Blackest Night look like poop!
Poop I say!

[Drz]

Blackest Night was heavy!

[HighFivingMF]

Flashpoint Batcomputer is my favorite.

[The Batman]

Gotta say, between this and Blackest Night, Geoff has definetely learned from the mistakes made on Infinite Crisis.

I liked how Flaspoint Supes looks like Superman with a serious drug addiction.

BatThomas is definetely a badass. Like Son, like father.

And Kubert is killing it on the art.

3 is definetely the best issue so far.

[DaveMoral]

I may have to get the Thomas Wayne Batman t-shirt...

[Mystirious]

I got a free Batman badge and a Wonder Woman one at my comic shop :)

Their quite neat. And though I'm not loving Flashpoint the Batman story has been fab

[Sakuraba]

Someone kindly give me a quick rundown of this event. Worth a look? Any good tie-ins?

[Mystirious]

Batman: Knight of Vengeance has been amazing you should totally check that out

And Secret Seven :up:

[Hush]

Issue Three was great! This thing is firing on all cylinders and is the best Johns has written since I would say SCW. He has made me come to TOLERATE Barry but not enough for me to like him.

[Drz]

Emperor Aquaman #2 preview! (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07/08/flashpoint-friday-%E2%80%9Cif-we-take-no-risk-general-how-will-we-ever-avenge-my-queen%E2%80%9D/)

[Drz]

Batman Knight of Vengeance #3 cover:
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/07/FLSPBKV_Cv3asdlfjhalksjdfhlkjaywiuoy4358909842.jpg

Awesomeness. :)

[Cain]

Batman Knight of Vengeance #3 cover:
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/07/FLSPBKV_Cv3asdlfjhalksjdfhlkjaywiuoy4358909842.jpg

Awesomeness. :)

I can dig it! :awesome:

Oh and Drz you know that Batman will always be the [CARL GRISSOM]number one guy[/CARL GRISSOM] to me when it comes to fictional characters and not just superheroes. So with that fact in mind I will say this:

The one thing I've enjoyed the most out of all this is the freshness of it all it adds conviction to lots of great and very familiar Batman themes. Primarily the fact that Bruce will always be an instrumental element to both the creation of Batman and the existence of a Joker.

It's so simple yet poetic it creates such a great space for pathos.

[The Batman]

I can dig it! :awesome:

Oh and Drz you know that Batman will always be the [CARL GRISSOM]number one guy[/CARL GRISSOM] to me when it comes to fictional characters and not just superheroes. So with that fact in mind I will say this:

The one thing I've enjoyed the most out of all this is the freshness of it all it adds conviction to lots of great and very familiar Batman themes. Primarily the fact that Bruce will always be an instrumental element to both the creation of Batman and the existence of a Joker.

It's so simple yet poetic it creates such a great space for pathos.

Great point.

I was thinking about how The Waynes are fated to enter a life of violence once watching someone they love suffer violently right in front of them. Before, Batman was thought to be a childish pursuit. Here, you have an adult wayne taking the same route a younger one did.

[Anubis]

I don't know. Kinda comes off as ridiculous as Peter Parker's parents being SHIELD agents.

[The Batman]

^ I'll say, It is awfully convinient that thomas picks up the batmotif and martha the joker one.

[Primal Slayer]

I don't know. Kinda comes off as ridiculous as Peter Parker's parents being SHIELD agents.

Thats the way I feel. Thus I am not really interested in seeing Bruces parents just happen to become Batman and Joker. Its a nice shock value but after that its eye roll worthy. They shouldve found a different way to have Batman in this event and Joker didnt need to be part of it.

[Assassin]

you guys need to remove the stick and just go with it. it's pretty enjoyable.

[Drz]

^ I'll say, It is awfully convinient that thomas picks up the batmotif and martha the joker one.

Thomas becoming a Batman makes sense because Bruce was afraid of bats, but Martha becoming a Joker makes close to little sense unless we get some cool answer in next issue.

[Cain]

you guys need to remove the stick and just go with it. it's pretty enjoyable.

I wouldn't be as harsh but yeah pretty much my sentiment.

When are there NO contrivances in comic books? that's not the point. It's not about something being contrived it's about how it's pulled off. The point is that it's an interesting angle to take from a storytelling perspective as it's never been explored. It allows a new way to explore an incredibly familiar dynamic.

I mean there is a scene for example where Thomas "cures" a Joker victim and to me that scene says it all. Batman's parents are bat **** insane. Doesn't matter that one is on the side of angels he's still off his damn rocker and not someone the Bruce we know would welcome with open arms.

That's what hooks me at least. The fact that they're on opposite ends of the insanity spectrum both but insane nonetheless. It just shows you what an animal Gotham could really be and how it could bring out the worst in people. Which is a key element of the Gotham City mythology itself. It's great to see this explored in a more "intimate" (by using the Wayne's) manner to the reader and the execution so far has been pretty damn good.

So why would a mother completely lose it upon seeing her child gunned down in cold blood? well because realistically speaking that is something that will take it's toll on the soul of any caring mother. Why would she become The Joker of all identities though? well that's because in Batman comics the re presenter of chaotic irreverence to balance Batman's sense of sound justice is not Catwoman or The Riddler. It's really as simple as that. If you see a need to over think it any further then perhaps it's time to stop reading comic books lol.

[Anubis]

I didn't say it wasn't interesting or entertaining, but trying to sit there act as if it makes any kind of sense, well, you've taken the stick out of your ass, and placed it firmly into the logic processor of your brain.

Just because putting a sweater on a dog is cute doesn't mean it's not effin' ridiculous.

[Mystirious]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

[Mystirious]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

[Sloth7d]

So, I was going to ask if this event would have been a good point to get back into DC, but from what I gather that answer is "no."

[Anubis]

No, September would be the time to get back into DC seeing as they're doing the reboot thing again.

[Sloth7d]

So Flashpoint has nothing to do with that?

[Drz]

Well yeah Flashpoint is what causes Wildstorm and DC Universe to merge, it's a good standalone story, so hey a fan of quality art and writing? Check it out.

[Anubis]

It's only the reason why, but you probably wont need to read it in order to understand the new status quo or nothing. Though everything Batman and GL wont be changed much.

[trustyside-kick]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

Even without seeing the full fledged reasoning how can it not make sense? The concept here is that just as Bruce went to an extreme angle when his parents died, his parents do the same. Only worse. FAR worse. And it makes sense. Here you have a father who lost his 8 year old son and a mother who also lost her 8 year old son. Makes sense that their marriage might have gotten rockier. And my guess is Martha was the first to snap and went insane. Never getting justice, in her psychotic mind she starts to see justice as a joke and everything as a joke so starts killing and thus becomes the Joker in this reality.

That is really so farfetched?

[Anubis]

Yes. :confused:

[silversurfur65]

I'm enjoying Flaspoint more than I thought I would......It's like DC's version of Marvel's "Ruins" .

[Mystirious]

Only slightly less horrific and nightmarish

It's only the reason why, but you probably wont need to read it in order to understand the new status quo or nothing. Though everything Batman and GL wont be changed much.

:up:

Which new ones are you going to be buying 'Nubs

[Anubis]

None of em.

[trustyside-kick]

You are not going to get the new Aquaman series, Anubis? :huh:

[Anubis]

I'm not getting anything.

I got no money anyway. :o

[trustyside-kick]

But it's Aquaman. :csad:

[Anubis]

Well buy two issues and send me one if it makes you feel any better.

[Assassin]

I didn't say it wasn't interesting or entertaining, but trying to sit there act as if it makes any kind of sense, well, you've taken the stick out of your ass, and placed it firmly into the logic processor of your brain.

Just because putting a sweater on a dog is cute doesn't mean it's not effin' ridiculous.

name one marvel comic that makes any kind of sense.

[Tron Bonne]

The hell does that have to do with anything? Did he say that was an exclusively DC thing?

[Anubis]

I could do that. I could name more than one. Just like I could name some DC, Dark Horse, Image, Top Cow, etc comics that do so as well. But what does that have to do with the tea in China? In case you missed it, I compared this to one of Marvel's less sense making situations to begin with.

I tell you what really doesn't make sense. Your reasoning behind asking me to name one Marvel comic that makes any kind of sense. :o

[Godzilla2014]

Anyone else want to see the New Earth/DCU Batman meet the Flashpoint Batman? I think it would be interesting to see because their both alternate universe counterparts of a person the other lost. I wonder what would happen if they met?

[Anubis]

You made that statement a lot more complicated than it needed to be, just saying. :o

[Godzilla2014]

You made that statement a lot more complicated than it needed to be, just saying. :o

True. How about this: I think the possibilities presented by a meeting of the DCU and Flashpoint universe Batmen are intriguing. The son without a father and the father without the son, meeting? How would meeting an alternate universe counterpart of a lost loved one affect the grieving process? What would each think of how the other turned out without them? See the seemingly endless possibilities?

[Anubis]

No different than any of the other times he met alternate universe versions of his dead parents. Like Thomas Wayne SR, from the CSA mirror Earth. Of course he was nut job.....not too much unlike the one in Flashpoint.

[Godzilla2014]

No different than any of the other times he met alternate universe versions of his dead parents. Like Thomas Wayne SR, from the CSA mirror Earth. Of course he was nut job.....not too much unlike the one in Flashpoint.

Still, the concept is interesting. I kinda wish that it were Bruce Wayne, not Barry Allen, starring in Flashpoint.

[trustyside-kick]

Wouldn't make sense if it starred Bruce. Although if the last issue of Flashpoint has the two realities meshing at random, then you could have some interesting moments like that example you wanna see.

[Godzilla2014]

Wouldn't make sense if it starred Bruce. Although if the last issue of Flashpoint has the two realities meshing at random, then you could have some interesting moments like that example you wanna see.

I certainly hope that at the end of Flashpoint, this alternate universe isn't destroyed. Imagine two Batmen, father and son, or, if you count Damien, then father, son, and grandson. I especially think it might be interesting if Thomas and Bruce met as Batman at first. Bruce thinks that Flashpoint Batman is a psycho, and Thomas thinks that DCU Batman is too soft, but they have to find out who the "other Batman" is. How would they figure out the other's identity?

[DaveMoral]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

Right up until the reveal that Martha is the Flashpoint Joker I was really thinking we were getting in Flashpoint many characters in their film incarnations. I mean, we've got Abin Sur and Sinestro looking like Temuera Morrison's and Mark Strong's film versions of those characters.... they were really playing up Martha Joker being the Ledger Joker. She's still got elements of that what with the Glasgow smile and all, but it's Martha Wayne! I was really stunned by that one.

[Mystirious]

Yep it was a nice little plot twist I thought and i dig the Ledger inspired design for Martha as the Joker

But I wanna know how she got those scars :ninja:

I'm not getting anything.

I got no money anyway. :o

Awwwww 'Nubsy :csad:

[DaveMoral]

Yep it was a nice little plot twist I thought and i dig the Ledger inspired design for Martha as the Joker

But I wanna know how she got those scars :ninja:



Awwwww 'Nubsy :csad:

I'm guessing they're self-inflicted, but I guess Chill could have done it...

[Mystirious]

Yep that would make sense

Though i was just doing a Dark Knight joke :)

[Assassin]

I could do that. I could name more than one. Just like I could name some DC, Dark Horse, Image, Top Cow, etc comics that do so as well. But what does that have to do with the tea in China? In case you missed it, I compared this to one of Marvel's less sense making situations to begin with.

I tell you what really doesn't make sense. Your reasoning behind asking me to name one Marvel comic that makes any kind of sense. :o

that's idiotic because i never gave a reason :huh:

[Anubis]

Dude, I'm in your head. I'm giving your subconscious Herpes as we speak.

[HighFivingMF]

****. Those itch.

[fifthfiend]

you guys need to remove the stick and just go with it. it's pretty enjoyable.

http://i.imgur.com/SnShF.gif

[fifthfiend]

Looks like it's time for Sassy's nap.

[Assassin]

Dude, I'm in your head. I'm giving your subconscious Herpes as we speak.

:whatever::dry:

[Mystirious]

Dude, I'm in your head. I'm giving your subconscious Herpes as we speak.

:wow:

Don't be taffying peoples brains 'Nubsy