The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[RealIrOnMaN]

When the planet is threatened by Super Villains, time-traveling conquerors, alien invaders, mythical monsters or mad robots bent on the total destruction of humanity; when the forces of evil are so overwhelming that no single hero has the power to save the world; when there is no hope left…the AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

So today Marvel/Disney announced the April 26th releases of two single-disc titles that will cost $19.99 SRP each: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Volume 1 (154 minutes) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004MYYHG8?tag=tvshowsondvdcom&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B004MYYHG8&creative=373489&camp=211189) and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes - Volume 2 (135 minutes) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004MYYHGI?tag=tvshowsondvdcom&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B004MYYHGI&creative=373489&camp=211189).

Both can be pre-ordered from Amazon.com at a discount using the provided links. No further details are available so far, nor has the studio provided the package art yet. Stay tuned, though, and we'll keep you updated.

[Whiskey Tango]

Nice. That's 14 bucks a pop with Amazon's discount, plus free shipping if you buy them together. Sold!

[WillardNation]

Anybody an imdb expert? Need to get avengers off there. I haven't signed for any character in that movie.

http://twitter.com/#!/thekevpenn

[Silvermoth]

Well,, I'm glad to finally get news on the DVD but I wish they wouldn't release them in volumes like that. I would prefer a box set. Oh well.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9786/39550784.jpg

[BigThor]

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9786/39550784.jpg

Man I absolutely LOVE this logo, I hope the Big 3 are all portrayed as equals in the film.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Man I absolutely LOVE this logo, I hope the Big 3 are all portrayed as equals in the film.
I've noticed, that they've also changed Thor's face on this logo.

[BigThor]

I've noticed, that they've also changed Thor's face on this logo.

They have? It looks the same to me

[RealIrOnMaN]

They have? It looks the same to me
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9786/39550784.jpg

[RealIrOnMaN]

Hmm, Cap's shield is also different, they've added wings on his helmet.

[BigThor]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9786/39550784.jpg

Yeah Thor's face is different, Cap's face is also "slightly" different as well as the wings that are added to his mask.

I wonder why Iron Man looks exactly the same, well nevermind he is wearing a full faced helmet (lol).

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah Thor's face is different, Cap's face is also "slightly" different as well as the wings that are added to his mask.

I wonder why Iron Man looks exactly the same, well nevermind he is wearing a full faced helmet (lol).

He was smiling in the first one, now he's making a frowny face.











:o:oldrazz:

[Doctor Jones]

Casting call in New Mexico.

New Mexicohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/126217-wanna-be-in-joss-whedons-avengers#) Film and Media Day includes open casting call

NewMexicohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/126217-wanna-be-in-joss-whedons-avengers#) is having a Film and Media Day (http://filmandmediaday.blogspot.com/) on February 16, 2011 in Santa Fe, New Mexico on the corner of Paseo de Peralta & Old Santa Fe Trail from 10AM - 3PM, which will give New Mexico residents a chance to learn more about the community's burgeoning film industry. One of the highlights is that they're using the event as an open casting call for upcoming New Mexico productions... including Joss Whedon's The Avengers (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=44657)!

You can go to the Official Site (http://filmandmediaday.blogspot.com/) to find out more details about some of the events being offered that day including acting classes, stunt and special FX demonstrations and casting directors will be present to meet with everyone and take headshots. And it's all free!
If you're living in New Mexico and are a fan of movies, then this special event might be a great way to learn more about how they make movies and maybe get involved in making them yourself!

[HUMANIMAL]

i know imdb isnt the source for legit casts but what is it whith loki and quasar being added to the cast?

[RealIrOnMaN]

i know imdb isnt the source for legit casts but what is it whith loki and quasar being added to the cast?
Loki is still a mystery to this movie, but Quasar rumor = false. IGN debunked it several days ago.

[HUMANIMAL]

ah i could have guessed that;-) thanks...

[SuperSAINT]

Loki is still a mystery to this movie, but Quasar rumor = false. IGN debunked it several days ago.

Yup. I'll be amazed if Loki isn't in it.

[WildcatNC]

Casting call in New Mexico.

New Mexicohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/126217-wanna-be-in-joss-whedons-avengers#) Film and Media Day includes open casting call

NewMexicohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/126217-wanna-be-in-joss-whedons-avengers#) is having a Film and Media Day (http://filmandmediaday.blogspot.com/) on February 16, 2011 in Santa Fe, New Mexico on the corner of Paseo de Peralta & Old Santa Fe Trail from 10AM - 3PM, which will give New Mexico residents a chance to learn more about the community's burgeoning film industry. One of the highlights is that they're using the event as an open casting call for upcoming New Mexico productions... including Joss Whedon's The Avengers (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=44657)!

You can go to the Official Site (http://filmandmediaday.blogspot.com/) to find out more details about some of the events being offered that day including acting classes, stunt and special FX demonstrations and casting directors will be present to meet with everyone and take headshots. And it's all free!
If you're living in New Mexico and are a fan of movies, then this special event might be a great way to learn more about how they make movies and maybe get involved in making them yourself!


Damn that would be awesome. Bet I could have gotten an extra role as random dude #87. Would have been the best thing ever. :applaud

[bubbadoom]

new costumes are being made for Loki and Cap - even as we speak...

[RaZaTrOn]

The newest version is up of my teaser/music video if you guys want to see it. :yay:

Hope you enjoy it now it's finished!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irHQ_xd824s


Final version is up.

I'm going to make some more, I think the next one will be with a Nick Fury voiceover.

Thanks to whoever posted this over on ************** I was very pleased!

Hope you like this. I think i've taken on most of the advice.
Any suggestions (songs or clips) for upcoming videos are welcome, message me on here or via youtube.

6hGe2QENRFI

[kaijunexus]

ah i could have guessed that;-) thanks...

Poor Red Skull is having a tough time with his mask in your avatar... :csad:

[Iron_Stark]

Final version is up.

I'm going to make some more, I think the next one will be with a Nick Fury voiceover.

Thanks to whoever posted this over on ************** I was very pleased!

Hope you like this. I think i've taken on most of the advice.
Any suggestions (songs or clips) for upcoming videos are welcome, message me on here or via youtube.

6hGe2QENRFI

Fixed the youtube link for you :cwink:

In between the [YT] and [ /YT] just put everything that comes after the = symbol.

[Crimson King]

SHH gets blocked by job...virtual machine created that can still reach the site...universe remains in balance

[kaijunexus]

So shouldn't they be filming by now? The Amazing Spider-Man is out 2 months after Avengers in 2012 and they've been filming for weeks!

[Blader5489]

So shouldn't they be filming by now? The Amazing Spider-Man is out 2 months after Avengers in 2012 and they've been filming for weeks!

Filming starts in April.

[BigThor]

^^^ True

[RealIrOnMaN]

Sam Jackson (via Charity Man show): "My year's pretty much full here. So when I leave here I have to work on Thor. Couple of days later I gotta do a day on Captain America. From there I have to go to Canada to do a film. After I finish that film in Canada I have to go to New Mexico to start The Avengers. Work on The Avengers from April to the middle of June. Go to Columbia and work on a film in Columbia. Come back, Finish The Avengers..."

[BigThor]

^^^ Sweet :awesome:

[WildcatNC]

Sam Jackson (via Charity Man show): "My year's pretty much full here. So when I leave here I have to work on Thor. Couple of days later I gotta do a day on Captain America. From there I have to go to Canada to do a film. After I finish that film in Canada I have to go to New Mexico to start The Avengers. Work on The Avengers from April to the middle of June. Go to Columbia and work on a film in Columbia. Come back, Finish The Avengers..."


Translation:


"I'M BUSY MUTHER****ER !!!!! " :cool:

[Scarecrow_King]

I hope there aren't mother ****ing snakes on his mother ****ing planes. He's sick of that.

[Gunga Diner]

For whatever reason, I'm really good at coming up with worst-case-scenarios. And I keep getting the nervous suspicion that Marvel is going to pull a Tom Rothman and force creative decisions on Joss Whedon that he won't be comfortable with.

[Spider-Fan]

They hired Whedon to write this film and they trust his creativity. I doubt they will force him to make a film he won't like.

[Gunga Diner]

I'm inclined to agree with you. I WANT to agree with you. But we're seeing a trend as Marvel attempts to establish itself as a studio, and that is that Kevin Fiege has some obnoxiously Rothman-esque tendencies in terms of his willingness to rush a movie and swap actors to protect the budget.

[wobbly]

Sam Jackson (via Charity Man show): "My year's pretty much full here. So when I leave here I have to work on Thor. Couple of days later I gotta do a day on Captain America. From there I have to go to Canada to do a film. After I finish that film in Canada I have to go to New Mexico to start The Avengers. Work on The Avengers from April to the middle of June. Go to Columbia and work on a film in Columbia. Come back, Finish The Avengers..."

So he will have cameos in both Thor and Cap. They had said he wasn't in them but Mr. Jackson seems to have let that cat out of the bag.

[Moridin]

I hope there aren't mother ****ing snakes on his mother ****ing planes. He's sick of that.

"Snakes On A Helicarrier". That can be the SHEILD movie.

[RaZaTrOn]

I hope its more Vipers on a plane :cwink:

[Majik1387]

With the Serpent Society making an appearance? :cwink:

[WildcatNC]

"git these muther****in hydra agents off my muther****in hellicarrier!!"

[BigThor]

^ Lol

[RaZaTrOn]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

[Spider-Vader]

For whatever reason, I'm really good at coming up with worst-case-scenarios. And I keep getting the nervous suspicion that Marvel is going to pull a Tom Rothman and force creative decisions on Joss Whedon that he won't be comfortable with.

I doubt that. There's a good chance Marvel hired Whedon because of his past experiences with Marvel characters.

[Aztec]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

Incredibly awesome! Maybe throw a little Whiplash, Justin Hammer, and Frost Giants in too to round it all out.

[Iron_Stark]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

Wow that was awesome.

[BigThor]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

This video is ****in' sweet!!!

:cap::thor::im::bh:

[RustyCage]

What's Sam Jackson doing in Canada?

[WildcatNC]

What's Sam Jackson doing in Canada?



MAKIN MUTHER****IN MOVIES !!! :woot:

[RustyCage]

MAKIN MUTHER****IN MOVIES !!! :woot:

Should've specified: Which muther****in movies?

Ain't Wolverine a Canadian?

[Crimson King]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

Awesome, mang! Where's that music from?

[RaZaTrOn]

The music is off youtube. Immediate music and its called Avenger... see why i picked it :P

Thanks for all the comments.... next one will be up in a few weeks.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TKPRZ5ed1hg/TV3iT04s0DI/AAAAAAAAEbM/bWsngRbiMc0/s1600/captain_america_studies_wip-2.jpg

Part of Paolo Rivera's new masterpiece!

[Aztec]

That's really amazing but why is Hulk not in this?

[Gamma Burst]

Amazing picture. I'm a big fan of River's art.

[Iron_Stark]

Cool looking pic. Needs more Hulk though.

[XxDelta09xX]

Hope you like it, i do it for you guys!!

bxrF7kfyo3o

Dude this is Awesome!!!:woot:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TKPRZ5ed1hg/TV3iT04s0DI/AAAAAAAAEbM/bWsngRbiMc0/s1600/captain_america_studies_wip-2.jpg

Part of Paolo Rivera's new masterpiece!

This guys art is Awesome!!!:wow:

[BigThor]

Great drawing, but why is there two pictures of Cap?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Thx, to my friend Marvel_Freshman from CBM (http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=30441), we now can have a look at some concepts from, presumably, the Avengers: Video Game (we don't know if it's true yet, awaiting the confirmation from concepts' creator):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_11-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-assemble-.jpg)

[RealIrOnMaN]

The guy is an illustrator/concept designer. Here's his resume:

http://cghub.com/files/Profile/007001-008000/7684/profile_image_304_large.jpg (http://kevinchin.carbonmade.com/projects/2465201)

[SuperSAINT]

Thx, to my friend Marvel_Freshman from CBM (http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=30441), we now can have a look at some concepts from, presumably, the Avengers: Video Game (we don't know if it's true yet, awaiting the confirmation from concepts' creator):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_11-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-assemble-.jpg)

Great pics, mate. I love concept art like that.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Great pics, mate. I love concept art like that.
Yeah, Hawkeye looks like Nite Owl from Watchmen, but hey, that's fine with me) At least no purple skirt, right?)

I still wish to get a confirmation from mr. Chin, that those concepts are from the Avengers video game, that Sega is working on right now. That. Would. BE. SWEET!

[louiebling$]

That hulk looks like **** :barf:

And why does hawkeye have an M on his head :huh:

[The Infernal]

Yeah, Hawkeye looks like Nite Owl from Watchmen, but hey, that's fine with me) At least no purple skirt, right?)

I still wish to get a confirmation from mr. Chin, that those concepts are from the Avengers video game, that Sega is working on right now. That. Would. BE. SWEET!

Ah, beat me to it. They do look similar. If this is indeed for the game you have to wonder if he's seen concepts or a finished suit or is simply working his own version.

If it is real then I'd wonder how far into production they could be and how much access they have to the movie's production materials etc. Not to mention that since Galactus is in one of those pics that it would seem that it's either a seperate story to the movie or those pics could simply just be the idea stage and may not be completely relevant to what is in the game. If those are for the game at least.

Still, those are great pieces of art and it's always cool to see what it might be like to see the movie Avengers together would be like.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Ah, beat me to it. They do look similar. If this is indeed for the game you have to wonder if he's seen concepts or a finished suit or is simply working his own version.

If it is real then I'd wonder how far into production they could be and how much access they have to the movie's production materials etc. Not to mention that since Galactus is in one of those pics that it would seem that it's either a seperate story to the movie or those pics could simply just be the idea stage and may not be completely relevant to what is in the game. If those are for the game at least.

Still, those are great pieces of art and it's always cool to see what it might be like to see the movie Avengers together would be like.
Indeed, I mean, even we, at our Marvel Offices in Russia, still don't have any Avengers concepts in our folders (though we do have a lot from Thor & The First Avenger). So, it might be simply this artist's own vision of the team (For example, Cap is still in his old costume, which I find quite odd).

[BigThor]

Thx, to my friend Marvel_Freshman from CBM (http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=30441), we now can have a look at some concepts from, presumably, the Avengers: Video Game (we don't know if it's true yet, awaiting the confirmation from concepts' creator):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_11-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-assemble-.jpg)

Awesome, looks like TIH's version of Hulk :awesome: and Iron Man & Cap look so badass fighting side by side.

I love how Thor is hovering with his arms out stretched in the 4th pic, I hope he does something like that in his film.

[The Infernal]

Indeed, I mean, even we, at our Marvel Offices in Russia, still don't have any Avengers concepts in our folders (though we do have a lot from Thor & The First Avenger). So, it might be simply this artist's own vision of the team (For example, Cap is still in his old costume, which I find quite odd).

Good spot, I noticed that too. I think that's one of the things that no matter what side of the fence you are on with his 'First Avenger' suit, most people believe he will have an updated version or even a completely new suit in Avengers. I think that might be a movie convention we take for granted these days, but it does seem like the logical thing to do.

Though going back to Hawkeye. Just looking at the pic which is just various concepts of him and the helmet's resemblance to Nite Owl is uncanny. Especially the pic of him smiling which I think the artist more or less drew directly from Nite Owl. I can't help but imagine that even if the movie followed such a design that it would be a more toned down version. Not that it's bad, I actually like some of the things the artist has tried here.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thx, to my friend Marvel_Freshman from CBM (http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=30441), we now can have a look at some concepts from, presumably, the Avengers: Video Game (we don't know if it's true yet, awaiting the confirmation from concepts' creator):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_11-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-assemble-.jpg) Awesome! Hawkeye looks great. :up:

[jadejaws]

Thx, to my friend Marvel_Freshman from CBM (http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=30441), we now can have a look at some concepts from, presumably, the Avengers: Video Game (we don't know if it's true yet, awaiting the confirmation from concepts' creator):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_11-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-assemble-.jpg)

If this is legit I will be extremely happy!!!!

[Pac-Master]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_15-15.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-hulk.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_14-18.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-the-captain-found.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_13-19.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-hawkeye-designs.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/th_12-33.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/chenzan-avengers-battle.jpg)
These aren't official. The artist says on his blog that he' still job hunting. I guess he made these so Marvel could consider him.

http://kevinchinart.blogspot.com/2011/02/avengers-assemble.html

[Iron_Stark]

Cool pics, if it is real videogame concept art and if the Avengers do fight Galactus at the end, I will forgive SEGA for the two Iron Man games. :hrt:

[Doctor Jones]

Those concept art pics are pretty exciting, real or not. I like the look of Hawkeye, even though he does remind me of Nite Owl.

[RealIrOnMaN]

These aren't official. The artist says on his blog that he' still job hunting. I guess he made these so Marvel could consider him.

http://kevinchinart.blogspot.com/2011/02/avengers-assemble.html
Oh, well, that solves everything (especially the Night Owl look). Thx, mate!

[Pac-Master]

Oh, well, that solves everything (especially the Night Owl look). Thx, mate!

No problem. They do look awesome, though.

[RealIrOnMaN]

No problem. They do look awesome, though.
Oh, this guy actually described the whole thing behind the concepts:
"Thanks for the compliments. Sadly they are not a part of any of the current productions. I'd love to be a part of it though if they are making a game or working on pre-production for the films.

Be great if they saw my work :P. The way I approached those pieces (along with my Batman: Arkham Asylum pieces) were if I was actually working on those productions. I'm a huge comic geek and I do concept art for a living so I figured I'd create some sample images and illustrations for my portfolio inspired by those movies and games."

[JP]

Well, it's obvious those weren't official. The guys proportions are all over the place.

[The Infernal]

Another thing I thought weird at the time was Nick Fury being posed as though he was part of the Avengers. Now this is just my opinion, but in the Avengers I think his involvement should be more of their handler rather than part of the team. I think that if we are going to see Fury in any kind of action it should be in his own Fury/Sheild film.

Also, apart from that I would like to see the Avengers go independant from Shield. Maybe not in the first movie, but it's definitely something I'd like to see. If Fury were part of the team then that would pretty much void that story.

Still, I thought it was too good to be true that we we'd see actual Avengers material, even if it were for the game. Guy's a good artist, hope Marvel give him a job somewhere.

[jadejaws]

Not gonna lie...I'm a little bummed those aren't official. Proportions aside. I was stoked at the fact that the Hulk's design was consistent to 2008.

[Visceral]

is cobie smulders the wasp?

[Blader5489]

is cobie smulders the wasp?

No, she's Maria Hill.

The Wasp (and Ant-Man too for that matter) are not going to be in the movie.

[Visceral]

that stinks

[Majik1387]

At most, they'd just be cameos as they haven't officially been denounced.

[Blader5489]

At most, they'd just be cameos as they haven't officially been denounced.

lol, Whedon said they wouldn't be in the movie, that's pretty official.

Besides, they're not going to cast someone as the Pyms before Wright makes his Ant-Man movie. At best, someone might name drop them, but that'll be it.

[Majik1387]

Where'd he say that?

[bored]

Last year. I think it was during SDCC.

[aandfrugby25]

Marvel does love their cameos

[BigThor]

Another thing I thought weird at the time was Nick Fury being posed as though he was part of the Avengers. Now this is just my opinion, but in the Avengers I think his involvement should be more of their handler rather than part of the team. I think that if we are going to see Fury in any kind of action it should be in his own Fury/Sheild film.

Also, apart from that I would like to see the Avengers go independant from Shield. Maybe not in the first movie, but it's definitely something I'd like to see. If Fury were part of the team then that would pretty much void that story.

I agree, I would like for Nick Fury to be portrayed as the handler of the team and I aslo want to see the Avengers break away from Shield eventually.

[shogunrua]

Marvel does love their cameos

QFT. But I think after the Avengers movie, they at least can downplay their cameo habit a little. So far almost every cameo they had was to emphasize the Avengers movie. So I think after that movie is released, they'll calm down with their cameos lol.

I'm cool with no Ant Man or Wasp, because I'd rather have them go easy on new characters to intoduce, so they can focus more on the dynamic between the established characters so far, so I'm good with just Hawkeye as the only other major player introduced. Just my opinion

[Crimson King]

I hope they keep the cameos coming, even after the Avengers. It's cool to see continuity between pictures. Makes it more like the books when we see characters show up in different stories.

[BizarroAids]

I'd like to have a few cameos in the stand alone movies, and not just after the credits. Of course, it would make sense to the GA after the Avengers movie, just have Steve Rogers show up in Iron Man or vice verse.

[JP]

If it drives the story forward. . .

[RaZaTrOn]

Something I'd love for Marvel to do is to announce their new films through another film.

So before we know a Marvel Universe Punisher film is coming we see something such as a newspaper article which is focused on for a while which talks about a vigilante killing mafia or something like that.

It'd be a brilliant Easter Egg to get... then maybe 2 weeks after the films release they announce it themselves.

Another example - instead of having Marvel go 'we are doing a Black Panther film' have a news report on in the background saying something like "The King of Wakanda has recently announced his first visit to the U.S.A."

[BizarroAids]

If it drives the story forward. . .

Well yeah of course. I just meant, if they were going to try to tie-in the stand alone films with any future Avengers sequels, that could be a good way to do it.

But like you, I don't want just a cameo of Steve just for the hell of it.

[JP]

Yeah, I don't want any distractions.

[WildcatNC]

Something I'd love for Marvel to do is to announce their new films through another film.

So before we know a Marvel Universe Punisher film is coming we see something such as a newspaper article which is focused on for a while which talks about a vigilante killing mafia or something like that.

It'd be a brilliant Easter Egg to get... then maybe 2 weeks after the films release they announce it themselves.

Another example - instead of having Marvel go 'we are doing a Black Panther film' have a news report on in the background saying something like "The King of Wakanda has recently announced his first visit to the U.S.A."


They sort of did in IM II. Look at the world map when Stark and Fury are talking. Notice where the circles are.

One over East Africa, one smack in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Its others that are targeted for the Avengers Initiative.

[Aztec]

I agree, I would like for Nick Fury be portrayed as the handler of the team

Yup. He should be the "godfather" if you will along with his sidekicks Coulson and Hill. They can get a little action in the film too, but not along side the Avengers.

I'd certainly be open to having Black Widow and Hawkeye fight along side the Big 4 in the finale. Perhaps they could join the fight in direct opposition to orders from Fury? This could show their growing heroism and desire to not simply be black ops agents. This was all covered in The Ultimates too. I think it can be a nice angle to work from.

A final battle involving Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, and Hawkeye would be pretty darn epic!

[WildcatNC]

Yup. He should be the "godfather" if you will along with his sidekicks Coulson and Hill. They can get a little action in the film too, but not along side the Avengers.

I'd certainly be open to having Black Widow and Hawkeye fight along side the Big 4 in the finale. Perhaps they could join the fight in direct opposition to orders from Fury? This could show their growing heroism and desire to not simply be black ops agents. This was all covered in The Ultimates too. I think it can be a nice angle to work from.

A final battle involving Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, and Hawkeye would be pretty darn epic!


I'm pretty sure thats what we'll get for the most part.

I've never seen Fury billed as an actual "member" of Avengers, just a star in the movie.

I think all the Shield heavy hitters will get in on the action in the movie. Who knows to what extent though.

[Blader5489]

They sort of did in IM II. Look at the world map when Stark and Fury are talking. Notice where the circles are.

One over East Africa, one smack in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Its others that are targeted for the Avengers Initiative.

Speaking of which, was it ever explained what the spots in Europe and the lower half of the Atlantic were corresponding to?

[BizarroAids]

Not in the movie itself, but if you ever listen to Jon Faveraus commentary he talks a bit about them.

[spideyboy_1111]

Speaking of which, was it ever explained what the spots in Europe and the lower half of the Atlantic were corresponding to?

Atlantis (was mid atlantic)
Wakanda (was east africa)
Europe (was Latveria)
and Antartica (was the Savage Land)

[BigThor]

Yup. He should be the "godfather" if you will along with his sidekicks Coulson and Hill. They can get a little action in the film too, but not along side the Avengers.

I'd certainly be open to having Black Widow and Hawkeye fight along side the Big 4 in the finale. Perhaps they could join the fight in direct opposition to orders from Fury? This could show their growing heroism and desire to not simply be black ops agents. This was all covered in The Ultimates too. I think it can be a nice angle to work from.

A final battle involving Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, and Hawkeye would be pretty darn epic!

Yes it would, I wonder how Black Widow and Hawkeye are gonna fair against the more powerful villains like Loki etc.

[spideyboy_1111]

same way they do in the comics? you don't need super powers to defeat a superfoe. Black Widow is a superior spy and hawkeye is a superior marksmen... 2 qualities that Hulk, Thor, and Ironman do not have. Defeating an enemy isn't always about punching them unconscious.

[BigThor]

same way they do in the comics? you don't need super powers to defeat a superfoe. Black Widow is a superior spy and hawkeye is a superior marksmen... 2 qualities that Hulk, Thor, and Ironman do not have. Defeating an enemy isn't always about punching them unconscious.

Being a super spy and a super marksmen won't help you against the likes of characters like Loki. Yeah Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk don't have those things, but what the skills/powers they do have are alot more useful against super powered enemies.

[WildcatNC]

Sometimes they will be support characters for the heavy hitters and on certain missions they will be the most equipped to deal with things. Gives the team all the skills and abilities needed to deal with a range of threats.

[spideyboy_1111]

Being a super spy and a super marksmen won't help you against the likes of characters like Loki. Yeah Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk don't have those things, but what the skills/powers they do have are alot more useful against super powered enemies.

.... technology? and a spy can easily gain info that can help take Loki down... I don't see why you don't understand.

[RaZaTrOn]

They sort of did in IM II. Look at the world map when Stark and Fury are talking. Notice where the circles are.

One over East Africa, one smack in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Its others that are targeted for the Avengers Initiative.

Yeah but i'm talking about something more solid than images on a screen in the background. Something that takes a couple of seconds that you don't have to rewatch to see.

[WildcatNC]

Yeah but i'm talking about something more solid than images on a screen in the background. Something that takes a couple of seconds that you don't have to rewatch to see.

Oh I knew what you meant. I was just pointing out they are obviously not averse to that kind of stuff. I'm sure its talked about in the Marvel compound.

[Spider-Vader]

Being a super spy and a super marksmen won't help you against the likes of characters like Loki. Yeah Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk don't have those things, but what the skills/powers they do have are alot more useful against super powered enemies.

I assume you don't know much about Hawkeye. He's been fighting the likes of Loki alongside the Avengers for nearly 40 years now.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.freep.com/article/20110221/ENT01/102210379/Film-producers-not-waiting-see-how-governor-cuts-tax-incentives?odyssey=nav%7Chead = No Michigan for The Avengers!

[The Infernal]

That's a shame for the people of Michigan, both the fans in the area and those who work in the industry there. They'll be missing out. Not to mention that it means good business is now going elsewhere.

[BizarroAids]

I assume you don't know much about Hawkeye. He's been fighting the likes of Loki alongside the Avengers for nearly 40 years now.

:D:up:

Give or take a few years.:cwink:

[BigThor]

I assume you don't know much about Hawkeye. He's been fighting the likes of Loki alongside the Avengers for nearly 40 years now.

No I really don't, and I've never been that interested in Hawkeye or any other shield agents for that matter.

Keywords - He does it "In the comics"

[spideyboy_1111]

hawkeye was never a SHIELD agent in the comic books... how bout you don't form opinions on characters you know nothing about?

and for the record... Cap doesn't have super human powers either... and does just fine. He's just at peak human strength

[BigThor]

hawkeye was never a SHIELD agent in the comic books... how bout you don't form opinions on characters you know nothing about?

and for the record... Cap doesn't have super human powers either... and does just fine. He's just at peak human strength

Because I'm not talking about Hawkeye's personality or history, merely his abilities which doesn't require extensive knowledge of the character.

So how about you stop worrying so much about my opinions pal :dry:.

[spideyboy_1111]

Because I'm not talking about Hawkeye's personality or history, merely his abilities which doesn't require extensive knowledge of the character.

So how about you stop worrying so much about my opinions pal :dry:.

so cap makes sense to you... but not hawkeye... I SEE... (no not really)

[Aztec]

hawkeye was never a SHIELD agent in the comic books... how bout you don't form opinions on characters you know nothing about?


He was in The Ultimates, and it seems they are using many elements from that series in the films.

[spideyboy_1111]

He was in The Ultimates, and it seems they are using many elements from that series in the films.

im aware. however each persons initial character seems to remain 616.. even if there story isn't exactly the same

[BigThor]

so cap makes sense to you... but not hawkeye... I SEE... (no not really)

Cap >>> Hawkeye (just to let you know)

im aware. however each persons initial character seems to remain 616.. even if there story isn't exactly the same

They sure are, and I'm glad they're going to 616 route (don't really care about Ultimates).

[bored]

Cap may be a better, more well-known character, but ability-wise, he's still a hell of a lot closer to Hawkeye and Black Widow than he is to Iron Man and Thor. He's, when it all comes down to it, an uber-athletic martial artist with a neat weapon, who keeps up with the big dogs by pure skill and resourcefulness. Hawkeye is about the same (only without the aid of the Super Soldier Serum to pump himself up).

[Wolvieboy17]

Besides, realistically how many super-powered beings will the Avengers be fighting at one time in the film? They don't need anymore super-powered beings really, a skilled, trained specialist such as Hawkeye could be extremely useful for many tactical situations, just like Black Widow was in Iron Man 2. Sure she wasn't using martial arts to fight giant robots, thats what Iron Man and War Machine were for, but she was still pretty useful.

[Blackman]

Yeah Cap is closer to Hawkeye and Widow. Except he's a class better I think

[JP]

I'd say about 3.

[JAK®]

He was in The Ultimates, and it seems they are using many elements from that series in the films.
The amount of Ultimate influences in the movies is exaggerated by most fans, really the only direct influence is Nick Fury and the Hulk's origin.

Saying that, I get the feeling movie Hawkeye will be closer to Ultimate Hawkeye.

[Majik1387]

I hope not, there's nothing good in the Ultimates.:down

[JAK®]

Ultimates Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 were pretty good, actually.

[The Infernal]

I hope not, there's nothing good in the Ultimates.:down

Agreed. It looks like there are only superficial links to the Ultimates, which is just as well. A poor man's Watchmen in my opinion.

[steintym]

The amount of Ultimate influences in the movies is exaggerated by most fans, really the only direct influence is Nick Fury and the Hulk's origin.

Saying that, I get the feeling movie Hawkeye will be closer to Ultimate Hawkeye.

Agreed - Hawkeye seems like he might be heavily influenced by the Ultimate version. All others (besides Fury) are pretty close to their 616 counterparts.

[Iceman]

Besides, realistically how many super-powered beings will the Avengers be fighting at one time in the film? They don't need anymore super-powered beings really, a skilled, trained specialist such as Hawkeye could be extremely useful for many tactical situations, just like Black Widow was in Iron Man 2. Sure she wasn't using martial arts to fight giant robots, thats what Iron Man and War Machine were for, but she was still pretty useful.Yeah, Thor, Hulk & Iron Man provide plenty of muscle. The other guys have the stealth & the skills to make up a well rounded team.

[Whiskey Tango]

Ultimates Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 were pretty good, actually.

I loved 'em. They sure did go downhill in a hurry after that though. :(

[Aztec]

I hope not, there's nothing good in the Ultimates.:down


As others have said, Ultimates 1 & 2 are fantastic. Buy the hardcover omnibus IMHO.

Let's not even discuss what came after Ultimates 2...:doh:

[Majik1387]

Ultimates Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 were pretty good, actually.
As others have said, Ultimates 1 & 2 are fantastic. Buy the hardcover omnibus IMHO.
I didn't care for those at all. It was all just crap to me that just got worse.
Agreed. It looks like there are only superficial links to the Ultimates, which is just as well. A poor man's Watchmen in my opinion.
Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

[cupidboy]

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/

[Son of Coul]

I think those were confirmed to be fan-concepts by the creator a couple days back. You can kinda tell anyways.

[Hurm...]

I'm pretty sure RealIronMan dismissed those as being fan made. Cool nonetheless! :up:

[The Infernal]

Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

That's why I said superficial.

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/ (http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/)

Yeah, those are fan made. Check a page or two back, they were posted already. It's all there.

[BigThor]

Besides, realistically how many super-powered beings will the Avengers be fighting at one time in the film? They don't need anymore super-powered beings really, a skilled, trained specialist such as Hawkeye could be extremely useful for many tactical situations, just like Black Widow was in Iron Man 2. Sure she wasn't using martial arts to fight giant robots, thats what Iron Man and War Machine were for, but she was still pretty useful.

I believe I was just talking about the final battle in the Avengers film since it is most likely going to be against a super powered being. I know that Black Widow and Hawkeye are very useful, I was just saying that in the final battle they should be should be doing something else besides battling the main villains, similar to what Black Widow did in IM2.

I'm not saying "Oh they don't have powers so they shouldn't take part in any of the battles in the film" or anything. I was just saying that they should play their roles in battle which is quite different from Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk.

[spideyboy_1111]

Just find some brand-new concept art seemed made by the movie designer. Is there anyone who could confirm these pictures are legit now?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/level/13/film/263531/adv_type/concept/

yeah those are from a guy TRYING to get a job on the film... not actually on the film

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe I was just talking about the final battle in the Avengers film since it is most likely going to be against a super powered being. I know that Black Widow and Hawkeye are very useful, I was just saying that in the final battle they should be should be doing something else besides battling the main villains, similar to what Black Widow did in IM2.

I'm not saying "Oh they don't have powers so they shouldn't take part in any of the battles in the film" or anything. I was just saying that they should play their roles in battle which is quite different from Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk.

that's not what you were saying originally at all lol. You were saying "how can people like hawkeye and blackwidow go up against a villain like loki?" and came off as if you felt they were useless

[BigThor]

that's not what you were saying originally at all lol. You were saying "how can people like hawkeye and blackwidow go up against a villain like loki?" and came off as if you felt they were useless

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

[Spider-Vader]

That fanart is pretty damn cool. It actually makes me think we can get something close to Hawkeye's classic costume on the big-screen.

[spideyboy_1111]

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

no but it's still a moronic statement. the team all at once wont be attacking Loki in a physical fight. (loki and thor alone are even matches.... throw in hulk, ironman, and cap and loki alone could not handle them all at once...) But... if Hulk is under his control, and Loki summons an army of frost giants and trolls...or turns the team against each other... then yes. Yes everyone plays pivotal roles... and allows everyone to take down loki and whatever plan he's doing.

[BizarroAids]

And guess what? Loki is going to a major villain so that IS what I was saying.

Saying they wouldn't be a good match for Loki isn't saying they'll be useless, it's saying they'll be useless fighting against extremely powerful villains like Loki (I'm not the first person on here to say that btw).

Hawkeye's been fighting extremely powerful villains since the 60's. The dude knows how to throw down on his own.

[Scarecrow_King]

Eh, I don't see too much Ultimate based appearances other than Fury and a bit of Cap.

the appearances are all mostly 616, but SHIELD putting together the Avengers in the first place is all Ultimate. and all stupid.

[spideyboy_1111]

the appearances are all mostly 616, but SHIELD putting together the Avengers in the first place is all Ultimate. and all stupid.

well... to be honest i think realistically the SHIELD way of putting them together makes more sense... i think most these heroes would have trouble finding each other.. or wanting to be around each other otherwise.

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, that was one of the best things about the Ultimates, there was a great set up to them becoming 'The Avengers' until Loeb screwed everything up MASSIVELY.

The final arc, where the ultimates quite Shield because they recognise they need to be independed of a government organisation, so they can represent the world. Man, that was a great idea, and a great way to establish them properly as Superheroes, but also justify their public status.

Many things in Ultimates could translate really well to film, and I think some people hate on it unecessarily. As an alternate to 616, it had some great ideas. It doesn't take anything away from 616, it's just an alternate universe.

Things like everyone thinking Thor is crazy and that escalating until they have to take him down, with Loki finally being revealed as being behind it was great. Especially then having Thor appear in all his glory, and all the ultimates reaction.

Also, I liked what they did with Pym. I think they overplayed the seriousness of his domestic violence, but it was an interesting thing to have a really stand offish member of the team, someone who creates alot of friction and can maybe even be kicked off the team.

Also, the hulk stuff was cool. Not so much the portrayal of the Hulk, he was just brutish and lame, but Banners role working for Shield, and then when they get held accountable for employing Banner, that was great.

I understand people not liking things about Ultimates because I agree, but to outright hate it is to write of some great stories and ideas.

[WildcatNC]

Also, that was one of the best things about the Ultimates, there was a great set up to them becoming 'The Avengers' until Loeb screwed everything up MASSIVELY.

The final arc, where the ultimates quite Shield because they recognise they need to be independed of a government organisation, so they can represent the world. Man, that was a great idea, and a great way to establish them properly as Superheroes, but also justify their public status.

Many things in Ultimates could translate really well to film, and I think some people hate on it unecessarily. As an alternate to 616, it had some great ideas. It doesn't take anything away from 616, it's just an alternate universe.

Things like everyone thinking Thor is crazy and that escalating until they have to take him down, with Loki finally being revealed as being behind it was great. Especially then having Thor appear in all his glory, and all the ultimates reaction.

Also, I liked what they did with Pym. I think they overplayed the seriousness of his domestic violence, but it was an interesting thing to have a really stand offish member of the team, someone who creates alot of friction and can maybe even be kicked off the team.

Also, the hulk stuff was cool. Not so much the portrayal of the Hulk, he was just brutish and lame, but Banners role working for Shield, and then when they get held accountable for employing Banner, that was great.

I understand people not liking things about Ultimates because I agree, but to outright hate it is to write of some great stories and ideas.



I weep for both the Ultimates line and Civil War.

Such FANTASTIC ideas with a lot to like that they just seemed to fizzle out and fail in the end.

I agree with you though. There is a lot of great stuff in the Ultimates, even if as a whole, it falls short.

[BigThor]

no but it's still a moronic statement. the team all at once wont be attacking Loki in a physical fight. (loki and thor alone are even matches.... throw in hulk, ironman, and cap and loki alone could not handle them all at once...) But... if Hulk is under his control, and Loki summons an army of frost giants and trolls...or turns the team against each other... then yes. Yes everyone plays pivotal roles... and allows everyone to take down loki and whatever plan he's doing.

There's nothing moronic about it it's a pretty reasonable statement, and calm down dude it's just my opinion no need for insults. My opinion is not gonna change so you might as well stop trying dude, it's pointless

SEVERAL users have said the same thing before, but when I say it all hell breaks loose.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well it's an uniformed opinion since you admitted to never having read anything Hawkeye related. He can be extremely valuable and useful, especially in those big fights. Even if it's just a distraction, Hawkeye will very rarely do NOTHING.

[BigThor]

Well it's an uniformed opinion since you admitted to never having read anything Hawkeye related. He can be extremely valuable and useful, especially in those big fights. Even if it's just a distraction, Hawkeye will very rarely do NOTHING.

It's called wikipedia, I know very well what Hawkeye is capable of it's not like I don't know anything about him.

As I said before, I'm not the first person to post something like that but I sure am the only recieving backlash for it (smh).

[Wolvieboy17]

It's called wikipedia, I know very well what Hawkeye is capable of it's not like I don't know anything about him.

Great, so you know his age, height and powers. That's clearly all there is to it.

[BigThor]

Great, so you know his age, height and powers. That's clearly all there is to it.

Yeah "great" (scarstic voice), that's all I need to know since we are talking about a fight after all.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, because that explains how his dynamic works, and it totally shows you all the many, many examples where he HAS played a substantial role in fighting superpowered enemies. And, yes, I was using sarcasm, very observant. One of my flaws is I tend to use sarcasm in the face of stupidity.

[BigThor]

Yeah, because that explains how his dynamic works, and it totally shows you all the many, many examples where he HAS played a substantial role in fighting superpowered enemies. And, yes, I was using sarcasm, very observant. One of my flaws is I tend to use sarcasm in the face of stupidity.

Whatever dude, I don't care about Hawkeye (never did, never will)

So I could careless about your sly remarks, they're not accomplishing anything becuase my opinion will remain the same whether you think it's stupid or not.

One my flaws is chuckling at the useless remarks of someone being an ***hole :dry:.

[JAK®]

Bigthor, you do realise the accusations you are making towards Hawkeye are exactly the same as the comments that make you angry about Thor?

[Scarecrow_King]

have we heard anything about a Quinjet in the movie? I want a Quinjet.

[WildcatNC]

have we heard anything about a Quinjet in the movie? I want a Quinjet.

I imagine we will get one, if not in the first then the second.


We have to remember that Avengers will most likely be an origin movie of sorts for the team. We may see very little of the Avengers acting or working as we know them till the latter half of the movie. A lot of the setup is done in the solo's so that will help quite a bit with moving things along. This is a BIG movie in a lot of ways. Theres a lot to put in there.

We will get a Quinjet at some point though. I'm more curious if we will get an Avengers Mansion or a more military style compound or bunker. Or will they work out of a Shield base?

[BigThor]

Bigthor, you do realise the accusations you are making towards Hawkeye are exactly the same as the comments that make you angry about Thor?

Make me angry? Nah I've been ignoring them for quite some time now (nice try though)

Anyways, why would someone question Thor's ability to fight super powered enemies? He has super powers btw, and that's the only thing I'm accusion Hawkeye of

[Wolvieboy17]

God you're blind sided BT.

How about if someone asked an ignorant question about Thor, because they don't know anything about the character other than his powers and that he's a norse god? Wouldn't you be there pointing out that all the evidence to the contrary is actually in the comics?

God, it's just so hypocritical. I've seen you defend one character with a terminal intensity yet dismiss another based on trivial stats and no real knowledge of that character himself, and being annoyed by that makes ME the *******? Right.

[BigThor]

God you're blind sided BT.

How about if someone asked an ignorant question about Thor, because they don't know anything about the character other than his powers and that he's a norse god? Wouldn't you be there pointing out that all the evidence to the contrary is actually in the comics?

God, it's just so hypocritical. I've seen you defend one character with a terminal intensity yet dismiss another based on trivial stats and no real knowledge of that character himself, and being annoyed by that makes ME the *******? Right.

Actually wikpedia provides FAR more than just "trivial stats", it basically tells you everything you need to know about him including character history and much more. You're over exaggerating me defending Thor btw, when in actuality I only said what was necessary.

Once again, I've seen several posts question Hawkeye's ability to fight villains like Loki yet I'm the only one who is antagonist (madness).

[Wolvieboy17]

Because you're the only person i've encountered, who when told his is wrong, and Hawkeye HAS held his own against supers time and time again, refused to agree. It suddenly became about 'opinions' rather than accepting proof and evidence.

[henry_9305]

I don't know is this the right place to post it, but I made this fan-made trailer and want to see some comments.
Hope you guys will like it and give me some feedback.
5nT9L_Jg4TE

[Wolvieboy17]

YOU TRAILER HAS NO PLACE HERE!!!!!

Just kidding, well done :P

[BigThor]

Because you're the only person i've encountered, who when told his is wrong, and Hawkeye HAS held his own against supers time and time again, refused to agree. It suddenly became about 'opinions' rather than accepting proof and evidence.

Yes he has in the comics, but we all know "live action" and "comics" are two different things. This isn't about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the comics, this about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the Avengers film.

You can get away with alot more craziness in the comics than you can in "live action". Hawkeye fighting villains as powerful as Loki in the comics doesn't excuse it from being absurd in the MCU which is relatively "grounded in reality".

Black Widow battling the guards in IM2 was a good indication of what type of role characters like Hawkeye should play in battle. BW would have most likely died if she fought Whiplash, because MCU is set in a world where humans actually have realistic limitations.

[Mercurius]

Yes he has in the comics, but we all know "live action" and "comics" are two different things. This isn't about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the comics, this about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the Avengers film.

You can get away with alot more craziness in the comics than you can in "live action". Hawkeye fighting villains as powerful as Loki in the comics doesn't excuse it from being absurd in the MCU which is relatively "grounded in reality".

Black Widow battling the guards in IM2 was a good indication of what type of role characters like Hawkeye should play in battle. BW would have most likely died if she fought Whiplash, because MCU is set in a world where humans actually have realistic limitations.


The only limitation is that of imagination. The rest are excuses. :o

[BigThor]

Having no invulnerablility, regeneration, intangibility, indestructible shield, or high tech armor means death or critical injury when facing high powered threats in a world grounded in reality.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yes he has in the comics, but we all know "live action" and "comics" are two different things. This isn't about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the comics, this about Hawkeye holding his own against supers in the Avengers film.

You can get away with alot more craziness in the comics than you can in "live action". Hawkeye fighting villains as powerful as Loki in the comics doesn't excuse it from being absurd in the MCU which is relatively "grounded in reality".

Black Widow battling the guards in IM2 was a good indication of what type of role characters like Hawkeye should play in battle. BW would have most likely died if she fought Whiplash, because MCU is set in a world where humans actually have realistic limitations.

But thats just it dude, you don't KNOW how powerful the MCU Loki is. If a hero like Hawkeye is scaled down when adapted to live action, why wouldn't Loki?

Also, i'm not talking about comics with farfetched things like Hawkeye in a fist fight with Dr Doom, but through all the comics you see examples of how Hawkeye works excellently as a supporting Avenger. Sure Cap, Thor or Iron Man are there tending to get up close, but Hawkeye is usually there with a vantage point, shooting arrows at villains, or explosive/concussive variants, shooting overhead objects to bring them down on the villain etc. He adds support. It's not like the only way to ever take down the big, final enemy is through sheer power, ESPECIALLY with someone like Loki, because Loki isn't all about physical confrontation? Tactical people like Cap, Hawkeye or Widow are JUST the kind of people who are useful when it comes to fast thinking and adapting to different situations.

Say for instance Loki had some kind of 'Cosmic Cube' type device that was giving him power, sure Thor, Hulk etc would be the only ones able to withstand physical punishment, but if they're keeping said villain busy, that's just the kind of strategy that would need someone tactical like Hawkeye.

For you to dismiss any conflict or superhero battle to mere 'I'm stronger or more powerful than you' just shows total ignorance and lack of imagination. Thank christ this film is being made by Whedon, someone who actually knows and respects ALL these characters. I suspect if you made this film, the final fight would just be Loki on the floor getting kicked in the ribs by Hulk, Cap, Thor and Iron Man, whilst Hawkeye and Black Widow fight thugs of no consequence in a completely different location.

[RaZaTrOn]

Earth's Mightiest Heroes (the show) Hawkeye went up against the Leader and a bunch of other Gamma freaks to save the rest of the Avengers (with Hulks help).

If that doesn't show his worth what would?

He'd kick Loki's ass with one arrow to the face. Maybe a plunger arrow so Loki couldn't see then he could just whack him one in the nuts. Problem solved.

[Ahura Mazda]

This may get me black listed but I have to say I agree somewhat with Big Thor.

However, if Hawkeye is kept in support in a battle such as archers were back in the day then he does work fine and yes he does have his place in a super powerred battle given his arrows and aiming (which is superhuman if you think about it) can harm super powerred people. Just as Batman also battles people more powerful then him. Hawkeye obviously would not work in a fist fight against most of the super powerred kind.

[BigThor]

This may get me black listed but I have to say I agree somewhat with Big Thor.

However, if Hawkeye is kept in support in a battle such as archers were back in the day then he does work fine and yes he does have his place in a super powerred battle given his arrows and aiming (which is superhuman if you think about it) can harm super powerred people. Just as Batman also battles people more powerful then him. Hawkeye obviously would not work in a fist fight against most of the super powerred kind.

THIS

Finally someone see's my point, and I agree with you on Hawkeye being used to support the Avengers from a far.

[Wolvieboy17]

But no one was bloody suggesting Hawkeye was going to be taking out superhuman beings with his fists, of COURSE he is going to be used to support the avengers from a distance. He's not going to be stabbing people with his arrows! What BigThor originally said was 'Hawkeye shouldn't be involved in battling the main villain' which is just ludicrous.

Again, in what comic or final, team based superhero battle, is just all the heroes throwing punches and kicks at the villain! In any ensemble superhero conflict, the only way they are ever done with any interest is either with each hero fighting a separate villain or a villain so powerful that everyone needs to combine as a team and use their individual skills. How does Hawkeye not qualify as a justifiable member of that team when there is plenty he could do to contribute?

[BigThor]

If a hero like Hawkeye is scaled down when adapted to live action, why wouldn't Loki?

For you to dismiss any conflict or superhero battle to mere 'I'm stronger or more powerful than you' just shows total ignorance and lack of imagination. Thank christ this film is being made by Whedon, someone who actually knows and respects ALL these characters. I suspect if you made this film, the final fight would just be Loki on the floor getting kicked in the ribs by Hulk, Cap, Thor and Iron Man, whilst Hawkeye and Black Widow fight thugs of no consequence in a completely different location.

I think we can assume that Loki is pretty powerful in the MCU since he is going to be a villain in the Avengers. Besides, he fight Thor at the end of THOR (and we've seen what Thor can do).

You have a good point about Hawkeye taking a supportive role in the main battle, because that's what archers are suppose to do. But you took it too far with the "Im glad Joss Whedon is directing" comments.

[Wolvieboy17]

I apologise if I took it too far but consider that a frustrating byproduct of taking 3 pages of saying the same thing until the point evidently got across.

[BigThor]

I apologise if I took it too far but consider that a frustrating byproduct of taking 3 pages of saying the same thing until the point evidently got across.

Yeah, but I had several good points myself and you chose to overlook them as well. But I don't frustrated over internet debates anymore, I take them with a grain of salt.

[Wolvieboy17]

I overlooked the ones that were silly and ignored my ones.

[BigThor]

I overlooked the ones that were silly and ignored my ones.

I said "good points", how could good points be silly?

I overlooked your silly points that ignored mine as well (see how easy that is).

[Mercurius]

Having no invulnerablility, regeneration, intangibility, indestructible shield, or high tech armor means death or critical injury when facing high powered threats in a world grounded in reality.

Not saying he wouldn't get a sore beating or be completely obliterated, (he can't stand a one to one with Loki in the comics as well) but the thing is: he could resist enough to prove himself an amazing hero, a stubborn idiot & all that.

"Grounded in reality" is a very delicate expression when it comes to comic books, or their translation to movies. Thor's hammer is like an earthquake, Iron Man's armour doesn't fry him inside of it, and Captain America has survived all the absurd threats imaginable.

A large etc.

We should accept the fact that most of the feats we like in it are completely insane considering reality, they have their own, inner, logic, that is not the one that rules reality. These tales are grounded in this peculiar, specific logic.

[steintym]

BT - Sounds like you might crap a brick if Hawkeye lands the final blow or officially ends the final conflict in the movie. :woot:

In all seriousness, you should check out some stories with Hawkeye. He's actually a pretty cool character and has been a huge part of Avengers' history. I know that's not what you were arguing, but you should check him out.

[RaZaTrOn]

I think we can assume that Loki is pretty powerful in the MCU since he is going to be a villain in the Avengers. Besides, he fight Thor at the end of THOR (and we've seen what Thor can do).

You have a good point about Hawkeye taking a supportive role in the main battle, because that's what archers are suppose to do. But you took it too far with the "Im glad Joss Whedon is directing" comments.

1. It's not been confirmed that Loki is the villain in the Avengers. That is speculation and an educated guess. Loki may oversee some kind of plot but never fight in the film. (If it has been confirmed pleeeease direct me to your source as i can't believe i missed it!)

2.According to the script of Thor, Loki falls wherever after the Rainbow bridge is destroyed. Who is to say that Loki's power drops (or raises) tremendously when he 'vanishes'. Therefore he may not be as strong (or he could be stronger) if he does even show in the Avengers.

[Rock Sexton]

If Hawkeye could go toe-to-toe with Gods or super powered heroes, I would LOLZ ..... IMO on screen he's better seen as support, a second tier guy helping the team from more of a distance.

[steintym]

I agree, I don't think anything has been confirmed for the Avengers. There's been speculation about Loki, the Hulk, Skrulls, Hydra, etc. I don't believe anything has been, though.

Has there been any confirmation?

[Blader5489]

Deadline confirmed that Tom Hiddleston will be in The Avengers in the same press release announcing Cobie Smulders' involvement.

[RaZaTrOn]

So it's still all assumption, just because he's on the cast list doesn't make him the big bad. (even though it's likely)

I think he'll be controlling something or someone or many people because he's too weak after Thor or something. IF he is in it as the big bad.

[NickNitro]

Id love to see a skrull invasion for Avengers(or the beginnings of one), OR Loki pulling strings of other Marvel Villians.... In Earths mightiest heros (which is by far the best cartoon Ive seen in about 10 years) its been a great watch showing Loki in the background masterminding these random villians of the Avengers Past to play in a bigger roll for the films.

But as the infinity gauntlet and cosmic cube are confirmed I think Thanos would be awesome. Unless im horribly wrong is its been confirmed Thanos wont be the big baddy.

[steintym]

I get the impression from Iron Man 1 & 2 that there's already a threat developing that Shield is aware of and that's why they're starting to round up heros. I just wonder if this might be Skrulls, Hydra, etc.

The growing threat (Skrulls/Hydra/whatever) could develop during the course of the movie and actually be the jump off point for a sequel.

A second storyline would involve Loki masterminding a plot of revenge against Thor which also involves the other Avengers.

[Hurm...]

Maybe Hydra is on the brink of doing something so detrimental that it will offset another World War? We could get tension like the Cold War, similar to Watchmen, if done right. But it is revealed that Loki has a massive hand in manipulating Hydra's actions.

[Iceman]

Loki controlling a stable of villains/armies or Skrulls/Hydra. I don't mind who the villain(s) is/are as long as he's/they're BIG enough to justify waking up Cap, disturbing a Thunder God & stopping Stark from partying.

[Blader5489]

TIH's ending already said as much that Fury is putting the Avengers together to bring in the Hulk.

HYDRA doing something is also likely, but the Hulk is obviously going to be a major reason (if not the only reason) why the Avengers are being assembled in the first place.

[Spider-Vader]

If Hawkeye could go toe-to-toe with Gods or super powered heroes, I would LOLZ ..... IMO on screen he's better seen as support, a second tier guy helping the team from more of a distance.
How would he be different than Cap? Cap's just at the top of human fitness, by your logic it seems that only IM, Thor & Hulk should have a shot at the villains.

[BizarroAids]

I don't get all the "Hawkeye doesn't stand a chance" talk. He's an expert marksman/archer, he can hold his own. I don't think they would put him on the team if he wasn't at the top of his game.

[Wolvieboy17]

I would like to think this film will be more complex in it's narrative than just ending with everyone punching on with Loki or another main villain. Look at films like TDK, where conflict and intrigue can be created without just having a giant fight scene.

People like Loki or Red Skull aren't villains who rely on brute strenth, they strategise and organise elaborate plans. I imagine if they launch some kind of attack on The Avengers or SHIELD it will be more than a frontal assault and is more likely to be a complex and layered plan, strategically attempting to take out each potential threat. A character like Hawkeye or Black Widow could be crucial then because like in the comics, the heavy hitters get targeted first but the supporting characters get underestimated.

[BigThor]

1. It's not been confirmed that Loki is the villain in the Avengers. That is speculation and an educated guess. Loki may oversee some kind of plot but never fight in the film. (If it has been confirmed pleeeease direct me to your source as i can't believe i missed it!)

2.According to the script of Thor, Loki falls wherever after the Rainbow bridge is destroyed. Who is to say that Loki's power drops (or raises) tremendously when he 'vanishes'. Therefore he may not be as strong (or he could be stronger) if he does even show in the Avengers.

Hiddeston has been confirmed to reprise his role as Loki in The Avengers by Deadline.com.

You have a good point about Loki's power level potentially rising or lowering. I already knew about him falling in the blackhole, but I hadn't thought about his power level changing, nice one :up:

[BigThor]

BT - Sounds like you might crap a brick if Hawkeye lands the final blow or officially ends the final conflict in the movie. :woot:

In all seriousness, you should check out some stories with Hawkeye. He's actually a pretty cool character and has been a huge part of Avengers' history. I know that's not what you were arguing, but you should check him out.

Yeah today I've started reading up on Hawkeye a bit, and he is a pretty likeable character.

Personally I would rather see the Big Three combine to land the final blow, but if Hawkeye does I would be fine with that (I've seen far worse).

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm proud of you BT. No sarcasm here at all. Some people on here would rather rubbish a character and refuse to actually read their stuff than actually find out about a character for themselves. I'm glad to see you're not one of those people :)

[BigThor]

Thanks, yeah I know I can seem like "one of those guys" from time to time, but you'll come to find that when it's all said and done...I'm actually not.

[Wolvieboy17]

Good to know

[BigThor]

Indeed :word:

[Wolvieboy17]

Indubitably.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't get all the "Hawkeye doesn't stand a chance" talk. He's an expert marksman/archer, he can hold his own. I don't think they would put him on the team if he wasn't at the top of his game.

That's why he's best suited behind the front lines. Similar to when you watch war movies in more dated time periods, the archers and marksman are always in the back.

[Rock Sexton]

How would he be different than Cap? Cap's just at the top of human fitness, by your logic it seems that only IM, Thor & Hulk should have a shot at the villains.

Wait, one is the pinnacle of humans (almost super strength-esque) and the other is "just a marksman" ...... Not even comparing apples to apples.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, if I recall, Cap personally trained Hawkeye in many instances.

Also, Cap might be physically perfect, but the Cap in the MCU, no matter how skilled and adept, won't have had as much experience as someone with years of black ops experience etc. Not saying one is clearly better than the other, but they should compliment each other pretty well.

For the ensemble nature of the movie to work, each character should feel quite evenly capable in their own way, regardless of what powers each person has. They all play a crucial role.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Wait, one is the pinnacle of humans (almost super strength-esque) and the other is "just a marksman" ...... Not even comparing apples to apples.

There's nothing "just" or "only" about Hawkeye's marksmanship.

[SuperSAINT]

Not sure if they are going to run a story on it (And I know, we've heard it already) but this probably confirms it

Latinoreview (http://twitter.com/Latinoreview) Mark Ruffalo has confirmed that the HULK will be motion captured like AVATAR! A real actor will be playing the HULK.

[Wolvieboy17]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'

[Whiskey Tango]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'

Yeah there's some footage of the IH mo-cap sessions on the dvd. I don't know why these stories keep mentioning it like it's some big new thing.

[Blackman]

Yeah Whiskey its weird they keep doing that

[Wolvieboy17]

It's totally because of Avatar. Because Avatar was SOOOOOOOO revolutionary, you see? *coff coff, Beowulf coff coff*

[steintym]

Yeah today I've started reading up on Hawkeye a bit, and he is a pretty likeable character.

Personally I would rather see the Big Three combine to land the final blow, but if Hawkeye does I would be fine with that (I've seen far worse).

Very cool - I think you'll actually wind up enjoying Hawkeye. He's a pretty fun character.

I was just giving you a little crap ... Depending on the story, I'd probably enjoy one of the Big Three officially ending whatever the threat is too.

[Iron_Stark]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'

Norton was just doing the facial expressions for the Hulk while there was someone else doing the movement and actions. Btw Tim Roth did both for Abomination.

So this will be the first time an actor does both.

[Rock Sexton]

Norton was just doing the facial expressions for the Hulk while there was someone else doing the movement and actions. Btw Tim Roth did both for Abomination.

So this will be the first time an actor does both.

Not so sure about that. I specifically saw behind the scenes piece of footage with Norton acting all wobbly as he's getting off the ground. It was captured to use when Hulk fought Abomination.

[marcvader]

Did Norton interact with his costars?

[BizarroAids]

Yeah. One scene I remember for sure was the attack at the college. There was a video of Norton with a long stick hooked to his back and Hulks head at the top. It was the part when Hulk covers Betty as the attack helicopter is crashing.

[JAK®]

It's totally because of Avatar. Because Avatar was SOOOOOOOO revolutionary, you see? *coff coff, Beowulf coff coff*
It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.

[Majik1387]

It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.
I was pretty sure Beowulf, Incredible Hulk and some video games beat Avatar to that punch. :huh:

[wobbly]

It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.


I dunno about that. Personally, I'd say Davey Jones bagged that perfect tag first. Gollum came close and that was 9 years ago now.

[steintym]

I was thinking Gollum as well. Still holds up pretty damn good.

[JAK®]

'Perfect translation' being the key words here. As in, the movements of the actors were perfectly copied by the technology.

One of my tutors on my Animation course was one of the many animators who worked on Lord Of The Rings, his experience with motion capture was that the motion data would be sent to the animators; which would then be highlighted and deleted because it was unusable.

[flickchick85]

Action and facial expressions were done separately and put together on a computer before Avatar came along. Cameron was the first to attach cameras to their faces WHILE doing the action mo-cap (which also made the facial stuff far more detailed and accurate). I'm not an Avatar fan at all, but credit where credit's due - it WAS revolutionary on the technology front.

[Iron_Stark]

Not so sure about that. I specifically saw behind the scenes piece of footage with Norton acting all wobbly as he's getting off the ground. It was captured to use when Hulk fought Abomination.

He was showing the animators how the Hulk was going to react when he got knocked through the bus.

Trust me, I've seen the special features many times.

Action and facial expressions were done separately and put together on a computer before Avatar came along. Cameron was the first to attach cameras to their faces WHILE doing the action mo-cap (which also made the facial stuff far more detailed and accurate). I'm not an Avatar fan at all, but credit where credit's due - it WAS revolutionary on the technology front.

Yeah, pretty much this. Ruffalo IS going to be the first one to do facial expressions and action.

Though, personally, I hoped Lou Ferrigno would've done all three, facial expressions, mo-cap and voice.

[The Question]

I wish they'd use a suit and puppetry. As much ass as that movie was, it worked really well in LXG for Hyde.

[Rock Sexton]

He was showing the animators how the Hulk was going to react when he got knocked through the bus.

Trust me, I've seen the special features many times.

So then you had to have seen this .....

SPMiA-IctwI

It wasn't Avatar, but they certainly used Norton as reference.

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah. One scene I remember for sure was the attack at the college. There was a video of Norton with a long stick hooked to his back and Hulks head at the top. It was the part when Hulk covers Betty as the attack helicopter is crashing.

It's in this clip .... 1:24 mark .....

HWPJO3e2NoI

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm not saying Avatar wasn't big... Hell, the technology was the only thing I liked about the movie, the 3D and how it revolutionised animation.

It just bugs me how single minded the media can be about these things. It doesn't matter what anyone else ever accomplishes, new films will always be compared to either TDK or Avatar :S


Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

[Rock Sexton]

Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

I still hate it. Ruffalo is a good actor, but he's not on Norton's level. I so badly wanted to see the Norton/RDJ dynamic.

[BigThor]

It just bugs me how single minded the media can be about these things. It doesn't matter what anyone else ever accomplishes, new films will always be compared to either TDK or Avatar :S


Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

Same here man, that **** is annoying when the media constantly compares movies to Avatar and TDK no matter how different they are.

Yeah, TIH's Hulk design was perfect in my opinion so I hope they leave the design basically the same for the Avengers. His face looks more like Ruffalo's than Norton to me anyways.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think it's fair to say Ruffalo isn't on the same level as Norton, they're both exceptionally talented they're just different. I think Norton was great physically as Banner but there were certain aspects of the character I didn't buy. He didn't seem as emotionally vulnerable to me as I think the character needs to be. I mean The Hulk is essentially a huge metaphor for a damaged psyche, all his emotional issues, be it repressed anger, insecurity etc. I'd love to see that come out more.

[WildcatNC]

I don't think it's fair to say Ruffalo isn't on the same level as Norton, they're both exceptionally talented they're just different. I think Norton was great physically as Banner but there were certain aspects of the character I didn't buy. He didn't seem as emotionally vulnerable to me as I think the character needs to be. I mean The Hulk is essentially a huge metaphor for a damaged psyche, all his emotional issues, be it repressed anger, insecurity etc. I'd love to see that come out more.

I loved Norton as Banner and I am really happy with Ruffalo as Banner also. I really like Ruffalo and think he's on par as an actor with Norton easily, he's just not as well known.

I just hate major character recasts. It f***s up suspension of disbelief a little for me, distracts me and takes me out of things a little on a subconscious level.

I love either as Banner. Just wish it was the same one the whole time.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I think it helps considering it's the Hulk. Sure it's a new Banner, but I think you'll forget all about the recasting as soon as he turns into his bigger, meaner, greener self.

[WildcatNC]

Well I think it helps considering it's the Hulk. Sure it's a new Banner, but I think you'll forget all about the recasting as soon as he turns into his bigger, meaner, greener self.


I agree, that does help.

[BigThor]

I agree as well, that's why I think Banner's recast is easier to handle than a Cap, Thor, or Iron Man recast.

He transforms, they don't

[JAK®]

Hulk fans are used to change ...literally.

[Dark Raven]

So then you had to have seen this .....

SPMiA-IctwI

It wasn't Avatar, but they certainly used Norton as reference.

In that video, Kevin Feige says that the Hulk looks real - that there are closeups where you'd swear they took a bodybuilder and painted him green. I never thought this at any point. Hulk still looks like an animated character. His skin is too mottled and there are times he still has a weightlessness about him. Also, the fakest shot is the last one in the video, where Hulk roars when he lands in that campus field. To me, that has always looked the most unrealistic of all the shots.

I hope he looks much more realistic for the Avengers, especially if he's going to act alongside the other members.

[Mercurius]

I still think Ang Lee's Hulk looks far superior to Letterrier's. The creature, I mean.

The 2003 scenes in the desert are really my Hulk favourites in the Silver Screen. It really felt real and I really appreciate to watch it.

Not to say that 2008 Hulk has, for me, the wrong face: Lee's had a much wider scale of expressions, and was more fierce, more brute. And the weightlessness Night Raven duly observed.

I hope Marvel also notices these important differences: the 2008 movie had a better story (and a better Banner in Norton) until the final fight, which was just stupid, videogame kinda thing. But the 2003 version is yet the outstanding result, considering the creature.

[Wolvieboy17]

I disagree, I thought there were moments where it looked incredibly realistic.

As for the realistic physics, i'm sure that will look better since they're using the actor for the full mo-cap thing

[Iron_Stark]

So then you had to have seen this .....

SPMiA-IctwI

It wasn't Avatar, but they certainly used Norton as reference.

Yeah that's the one.

Still, it's not the same as when Zoe Saldana was the blue girl from AVATAR with the camera in her face and the dots all over her body actually doing the dialog, acting and (some) stunts.

In the Hulk, a stunt double with the mo-cap suit was just mimicking what Norton wanted them to do and did all the fight scenes with Tim Roth in a mo-cap suit. Norton was pretty much being the director for the Hulk's actions.

Unless there's video of Norton in a mo-cap suit, then it's not the same as what Ruffalo is going to do.

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But Norton to his credit wanted to be and was way more involved with the Hulk than Bana was.

[Rock Sexton]

I still think Ang Lee's Hulk looks far superior to Letterrier's. The creature, I mean.

The 2003 scenes in the desert are really my Hulk favourites in the Silver Screen. It really felt real and I really appreciate to watch it.

Not to say that 2008 Hulk has, for me, the wrong face: Lee's had a much wider scale of expressions, and was more fierce, more brute. And the weightlessness Night Raven duly observed.

I hope Marvel also notices these important differences: the 2008 movie had a better story (and a better Banner in Norton) until the final fight, which was just stupid, videogame kinda thing. But the 2003 version is yet the outstanding result, considering the creature.

2003's movie was dreadful in every way imaginable. But to each his own.

[Wolvieboy17]

I wouldn't say EVERY way imaginable. I really loved the idea of Hulk's uncontrollable existence being due to major repressed trauma, not only an experiment. That was a cool hook to add to the character of Bruce Banner, and it really added to the drama of 'making Hulk angry', making it more about pure rage and anger, instead of just getting excited.

[Whiskey Tango]

Lee's version had it's moments and I still like it overall but Incredible is the superior Hulk movie imo. Especially in the way it feels like a real Hulk movie, something the 2003 version didn't capture as well.

As far as graphics, IH had a few scenes where he clearly looked cgi, but so did '03 Hulk, and Gollum too for that matter. I also preferred the darker green color, the size and the body and facial features of Leterrier's Hulk, and if you're going to call the last fight in IH a videogame I'm curious to know what you'd called the fight with Absorbin' Dad.

[Hurm...]

I prefer 2003's Hulk way more than the 2008 version. It had better drama, maybe too much, but I enjoyed it.

[Gunga Diner]

I prefer 2003's Hulk way more than the 2008 version. It had better drama, maybe too much, but I enjoyed it.

Yeah, that's how I feel.

I'm nervous about how Hulk will look in The Avengers. If the 2008 movie didn't have the budget to make Hulk look realistic, I don't know how they'll be able to even it out when they also have to have the effects for all the other characters.

[flickchick85]

I too really liked the 2003 version, but even then I hated the 3rd act. And I also just liked TIH. I simply haven't seen a Hulk movie that I've loved, so as a result, he's the Avengers character I care the least about (and no, I haven't seen Cap or Thor yet, but I've read Thor's script and I love the story of Cap, so I already care about them more). I feel bad in hoping that the VFX budget is gonna keep his presence to minimum. :(

[Mercurius]

I too really liked the 2003 version, but even then I hated the 3rd act. And I also just liked TIH.

Exactly. The third act in Ang Lee's version is disgraceful.

And Letterrier lost his chance not making a tragic movie: Hulk could be a great movie if the audiences left the theatre devastated by Banner's fate in life.

Nobody could yet convey this strong sense of a man lost inside a creature. Strangely enough, many episodes of Bixby's Hulk had this feel, this bitter sense.

It was crap considering the whole thing, but there was something important there the new movies should be able to bring about.

[Doctor Jones]

I think it's quite good actually. The third act as well. Those flashes of Hulk and his father in the clouds are so pictureesque.

[Hurm...]

All this talk is making me want to watch it again. :D

[Whiskey Tango]

All this talk is making me want to watch it again. :D

I watched it again last week and imo it still holds up pretty well. One thing IH didn't have is Josh Lucas playing Talbot. Man he was a prick.

And I will never, ever tire of the tank throw.

[herolee10]

Idk...I think the 2003 version was way too dramatic for my tastes, not to mention the choice in editing for the film since Ang Lee had gone for that comic strip visual route. Hell I heard that it's because of this choice, where the actors really felt frustrated at times because they had to do the same scene so many times.


And honestly, seeing Norton's version of the Hulk, I felt sorry for the dude from what I saw in the film.


The film literally opens up with him having been on the run and isolated from everyone he cares about for 5 years. And the way that he has to travel back home, from being homeless and such, along with how much of a toll his transformations seem to take on him, I'd say that it was pretty sad to see imho.

[Rock Sexton]

And Letterrier lost his chance not making a tragic movie: Hulk could be a great movie if the audiences left the theatre devastated by Banner's fate in life.



No offense, but Norton/Letterrier wanted to give the movie that kind of feel .... especially with .....

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I still can't believe they were over-ruled in using that footage. I know it says "opening", but it quite honestly could've been a great ending scene.

[Whiskey Tango]

And honestly, seeing Norton's version of the Hulk, I felt sorry for the dude from what I saw in the film.


The film literally opens up with him having been on the run and isolated from everyone he cares about for 5 years. And the way that he has to travel back home, from being homeless and such, along with how much of a toll his transformations seem to take on him, I'd say that it was pretty sad to see imho.

The deleted scene where he breaks down at dinner with Betty and Leonard is very effective at getting this across. I can't fathom why they left it out.

[Rock Sexton]

Idk...I think the 2003 version was way too dramatic for my tastes, not to mention the choice in editing for the film since Ang Lee had gone for that comic strip visual route. Hell I heard that it's because of this choice, where the actors really felt frustrated at times because they had to do the same scene so many times.

The movie was The Hulk in name only. I thought the psycho-drama was extremely overplayed. I couldn't buy any into of the actors who portrayed key figures in Hulk's known Marvel Universe. I also thought the Hulk was too big and too taffy looking.

And honestly, seeing Norton's version of the Hulk, I felt sorry for the dude from what I saw in the film.

The film literally opens up with him having been on the run and isolated from everyone he cares about for 5 years. And the way that he has to travel back home, from being homeless and such, along with how much of a toll his transformations seem to take on him, I'd say that it was pretty sad to see imho.

The only thing I feel sorry for when it comes to Norton is that he and Letterrier weren't able to issue the cut he wanted. Other than that, I thought the film came out fantastically. Stark contrast to 2003, this one felt like a comic book movie that the new Marvel Cinema Universe is calling for. The cast was almost perfect from head to toe .... I thought guys like Hurt, Nelson, Roth, and Norton all fit the eccentricities of a comic book character come to life on screen.

The CGI was a mixed bag. I thought he was the perfect size and there were some scenes where he looked absolutely fantastic (Campus fight, Cave, bottling plant) .... but there were some areas they could've touched up more.

I seriously can't stop raving about this film. It never gets old. I get bored watching either of the Iron Man films.

[WildcatNC]

It never gets old. I get bored watching either of the Iron Man films.


I agree with this. I can watch TIH any number of times and still enjoy it. I have to wait awhile to catch the Iron Man films again.

[herolee10]

The deleted scene where he breaks down at dinner with Betty and Leonard is very effective at getting this across. I can't fathom why they left it out.

Would anyone have a link to that scene? I've been trying to look for it for a long time now.

And based on what I've heard of it, yeah, I wonder why they had to cut it out as well.

Heck, I wish that they had kept in the original beginning, where bruce had tried to commit suicide since that's the first time that I have ever heard of a version of Bruce Banner on trying to take that route.

The movie was The Hulk in name only. I thought the psycho-drama was extremely overplayed. I couldn't buy any into of the actors who portrayed key figures in Hulk's known Marvel Universe. I also thought the Hulk was too big and too taffy looking.



The only thing I feel sorry for when it comes to Norton is that he and Letterrier weren't able to issue the cut he wanted. Other than that, I thought the film came out fantastically. Stark contrast to 2003, this one felt like a comic book movie that the new Marvel Cinema Universe is calling for. The cast was almost perfect from head to toe .... I thought guys like Hurt, Nelson, Roth, and Norton all fit the eccentricities of a comic book character come to life on screen.

The CGI was a mixed bag. I thought he was the perfect size and there were some scenes where he looked absolutely fantastic (Campus fight, Cave, bottling plant) .... but there were some areas they could've touched up more.

I seriously can't stop raving about this film. It never gets old. I get bored watching either of the Iron Man films.


Agreed on all points. My only problems with the film itself is that they had to cut out some of the great scenes that I've either seen or read about online.

That, and I think the Incredible Hulk should have been released AFTER Iron Man 2, in order to have audiences more familiar with the Hulk by the time the Avengers came out since the key focus seems to be going on Iron Man, CA, and Thor.

[Spider-Vader]

I agree as well, that's why I think Banner's recast is easier to handle than a Cap, Thor, or Iron Man recast.

He transforms, they don't

My friend made a joke that in the movies each time he Hulks out his Banner appearance changes. Seems to be true so far.

[BigThor]

I agree with this. I can watch TIH any number of times and still enjoy it. I have to wait awhile to catch the Iron Man films again.

Same here, TIH is a highly underrated film in my opinion especially the Hulk's design. Norton was just as good of a Banner as Bixby to me, and the Hulk's CGI was slightly above average. but everything else about him was perfect (skin texture, color. rippling veins etc).

The story moved at a much better pace than 03's Hulk and it's just an overall highly "enjoyable" film that doesn't really get old imo.

TIH's campus battle is one of my favorite Marvel film action scenes ever, I even like it more than Hulk 2003's "desert battle".

[gkokujin]

as much as i hated the 2003 movie, Hulks skin texture was just about perfect.

there were subtle things that i noticed like how the skin dimpled when bullets bounced off him, and how he wasn't over ripped. THAT was what made that hulk great.

The 2008 Hulk was Great as well. I think it was very hard for the human eye to adjust to that much freaking GREEN though. it was almost like even the dirt on him was green.