The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[BigThor]

Hulk 2008's dimpled as well when bullets bounced off of him, and the dirt on his skin was the same color as it was on the ground.

Both Hulks were good designs and pretty realistic looking creatures, although I think 2008's Hulk design was perfect (the CGI was the only thing that wasn't outstanding).

[dcHulk]

In that video, Kevin Feige says that the Hulk looks real - that there are closeups where you'd swear they took a bodybuilder and painted him green. I never thought this at any point. Hulk still looks like an animated character. His skin is too mottled and there are times he still has a weightlessness about him. Also, the fakest shot is the last one in the video, where Hulk roars when he lands in that campus field. To me, that has always looked the most unrealistic of all the shots.

I hope he looks much more realistic for the Avengers, especially if he's going to act alongside the other members.

Two scenes come to mind: Hulk holding Betty amidst the helicopter explosion on the campus and Hulk sitting next to Betty in the cave. The Hulk even shivers! Those were very realistic.

[marvel_freshman]

Mark Ruffalo Dishes On The Avengers Script & His First Look As Hulk On A Scale Model!

"It's cool...it's gonna be great," when questioned of The Avengers script,"The script is a nice combination of funny and...was very in Joss Whedon's wheelhouse. And I got to see the maquette of the Hulk yesterday...In full scope and it's awesome! [It Looks] just like me. We're going out of our way to [make him look like me]. First of all, I'm the first actor to actually do it in motion-capture as the Hulk. And so, all the feature's are mine, they're just really big."

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/626577/mark-ruffalo-dishes-details-on-his-motion-capture-hulk.jhtml?xrs=share_twitter

[herolee10]

Mark Ruffalo Dishes On The Avengers Script & His First Look As Hulk On A Scale Model!



http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/626577/mark-ruffalo-dishes-details-on-his-motion-capture-hulk.jhtml?xrs=share_twitter

Well this may explain why we haven't seen the Hulk's face aligned with the "Avengers Assemble" line up alongside Iron Man, Thor, and CA.

So not only does Bruce Banner look different, but so does the Hulk. I wonder how much they're differentiating themselves from TIH?

Too bad he couldn't give a hint as to whether he's more of a member or foe for the Avengers.

[Chewy]

Haha, Ruffalo continues to call him Josh Whedon

[marvel_freshman]

Well this may explain why we haven't seen the Hulk's face aligned with the "Avengers Assemble" line up alongside Iron Man, Thor, and CA.

So not only does Bruce Banner look different, but so does the Hulk. I wonder how much they're differentiating themselves from TIH?

Too bad he couldn't give a hint as to whether he's more of a member or foe for the Avengers.

I honestly think they're never gonna include the Hulk as an Avenger til the sequel. Something tells me they'll either end the movie with Hulk doing his solo-thing; Or a subplot of the movie will be about how Hulk becomes one of the Avengers.

[Chewy]

I could've sworn there was someone involved (maybe Ruffalo) who said Hulk would be an Avenger

[herolee10]

I honestly think they're never gonna include the Hulk as an Avenger til the sequel. Something tells me they'll either end the movie with Hulk doing his solo-thing; Or a subplot of the movie will be about how Hulk becomes one of the Avengers.

Well, granted, I wouldn't have a problem if the film ends with Hulk going off on his own (it would also leave a better opening for Mark to reprise the role for a sequel to TIH as well), though I'd still like to see the Hulk utilized more in a heroic way than villainous.

If they DO tend to follow up with the events of TIH, and that it's explained that the last scene with Banner was meant to show that he had gained some control over the Hulk persona, I'd like to see the Hulk used to help the Avengers somewhat for not just one act.


Speaking of which, I just rewatched the Nick Fury scene at the end of Iron Man 1, and he says that Tony is not the only Superhero in the world.

After seeing on how the films are aligning up, I gotta wonder, who else could Nick Fury possibly have been talking about back then?

1. No one knew about Thor's presence back then

2. The Hulk was considered to be more menace than anything

3. CA was considered most likely to be still dead or MIA

4. Hawkeye and Black Widow are SHIELD agents

5. War Machine didn't exist yet either

[Chewy]

Black Panther/Namor/etc

[Dark Raven]

Why are they going out of their way to make the Hulk look like Mark Ruffalo? This was already tried with Eric Bana in the 2003 movie with his features, just bigger. It didn't look that good. I don't want to see the Incredible Ruffalo. Hulk's face always looks different from Banner's in the comics, and his facial features in the 2008 movie was already perfect (even if I don't think it looked completely realistic). I don't see why they need to keep reinventing the wheel. That was one thing they should've left well alone, and just concentrated on giving him more realism than 3 years ago.

[Wolvieboy17]

They may have had theories on Thor. At the end of IM 2, when Coulson finds the hammer, he calls up Fury and said 'We found it', indicating some kind of prior knowledge...

[Wolvieboy17]

Why are they going out of their way to make the Hulk look like Mark Ruffalo? This was already tried with Eric Bana in the 2003 movie with his features, just bigger. It didn't look that good. I don't want to see the Incredible Ruffalo. Hulk's face always looks different from Banner's in the comics, and his facial features in the 2008 movie was already perfect (even if I don't think it looked completely realistic). I don't see why they need to keep reinventing the wheel. That was one thing they should've left well alone, and just concentrated on giving him more realism than 3 years ago.

They did the same thing with Norton though, it's a great idea. It's not like Hulk will look like a green version of Ruffalo, but that there will be features. Why wouldn't there be? It's the same dudes face, just morphed. Also, have you actually looked at Ruffalo's face? There's the makings of a great Hulk there, all the dimensions are just right :P

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of changing his look around, especially when he looked pretty spot on the last time. A little consistency never killed anyone. But whatever, as long as he looks good.

This is the part where I mention yet again how much I wish Norton was still onboard.

[Son of Coul]

I don't think it'll be a dead ringer for him or anything, maybe some minor features, like how they put a small scar on both Norton and the Hulk's face. To be honest Ruffalo seems a little dopey in all these interviews and he seems to just go with whatever the interviewer will ask.

[Wolvieboy17]

I dunno, I think it may have been for the best that Norton left. After watching all the special features on TIH again, he just doesn't seem down to earth about the project at all. He's being all wanky actor, building it into an 'acting project', which I think is stupid. It's largely an ego thing. Look at Chris Evans, he has the same attitute, that it's just a character he's embodying, but he doesn't go on and on about it, he's level headed.

Honestly, having worked with actors like that before, i'm not surprised there was tension between him and other people. I can't see him gelling with an Avengers film, which would have been on a very tight leash.

[Whiskey Tango]

They should have gotten Daniel Day-Lewis. He would have injected himself with real radiation and lived alone in the desert for six months with nothing but a pair of tattered pants.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think it'll be a dead ringer for him or anything, maybe some minor features, like how they put a small scar on both Norton and the Hulk's face. To be honest Ruffalo seems a little dopey in all these interviews and he seems to just go with whatever the interviewer will ask.

What, you mean by answering the question?

I don't think it's fair to call him dopey, he seems tired and he's never liked press stuff.

[WildcatNC]

They should have gotten Daniel Day-Lewis. He would have injected himself with real radiation and lived alone in the desert for six months with nothing but a pair of tattered pants.


Thats an awesome thread idea WT !!



"How would Daniel Day Lewis prepare to play *Insert character name here*"



It could be :awesome:

[Wolvieboy17]

Breaking News: Actor Daniel Day Lewis is tragically killed after freezing himself to death in a block of ice.

[WildcatNC]

Breaking News: Actor Daniel Day Lewis is tragically killed after freezing himself to death in a block of ice.



He has himself killed to prepare for his characters deaths. Ice is but another prop to DDL.

[Son of Coul]

What, you mean by answering the question?

I don't think it's fair to call him dopey, he seems tired and he's never liked press stuff.
Well nah, just that if the press asks a yes or no question I notice he's very, "Oh yeah yeah definitely, sure." As far as "dopey" goes, I just mean putting him next to another actor talking about these characters who seem really on top of things and into it, while he's just... I dunno how to describe it.

Realistically, yeah he's just uncomfortable with press stuff- I just find it hard to get excited for his part when he talks about the project. Not that I don't think he'll give a good performance- his enthusiasm's just a little unconvincing and I guess it just rubs off on me. I don't really mind though.

[flickchick85]

I just have to say, I met Mark Ruffalo the other day and he was pretty much the nicest guy ever. The theater where I work had a screening of a documentary he was supporting (Gas Land), and he took the time to chat with myself and several of my co-workers while the audience was watching the show. He seemed really chill and laid-back, but not remotely "dopey," imo. And no, despite several of us being movie geeks, NONE of us had the guts to ask him about the Avengers. I know, we fail. I did get to share my love of Zodiac with him, though, which prompted a thank you handshake from him, so it felt like a success. :D

[herolee10]

I dunno, I think it may have been for the best that Norton left. After watching all the special features on TIH again, he just doesn't seem down to earth about the project at all. He's being all wanky actor, building it into an 'acting project', which I think is stupid. It's largely an ego thing. Look at Chris Evans, he has the same attitute, that it's just a character he's embodying, but he doesn't go on and on about it, he's level headed.

Honestly, having worked with actors like that before, i'm not surprised there was tension between him and other people. I can't see him gelling with an Avengers film, which would have been on a very tight leash.

Bummer, I did not know most of that.

It's a shame that these Marvel films weren't able to get some of the casting choices right the first time around.

I'm somewhat picky when it comes to the consistency and continuity in franchises such as these, and things would have felt better if they had gotten Mark to play Bruce Banner the first time around along with Don Cheadle as Rhodey in IM1 as well.

[Whiskey Tango]

Well, casting changes are inevitable for many reasons, especially with Marvel where the plan is the continuation of these franchises indefinitely. I'm not so much bothered by the switch, or that Ruffalo is the replacement. I'm just a huge Norton fan and (still, apparently!) irked by the situation. It helps if I compare it to an artist change in the books. Moreso in Hulk's case because he's been drawn in a myriad of different ways.

But this is nothing, think about a few years down the road when they replace Robert Downey Jr. There'll be riots!

[Doctor Jones]

I just have to say, I met Mark Ruffalo the other day and he was pretty much the nicest guy ever. The theater where I work had a screening of a documentary he was supporting (Gas Land), and he took the time to chat with myself and several of my co-workers while the audience was watching the show. He seemed really chill and laid-back, but not remotely "dopey," imo. And no, despite several of us being movie geeks, NONE of us had the guts to ask him about the Avengers. I know, we fail. I did get to share my love of Zodiac with him, though, which prompted a thank you handshake from him, so it felt like a success. :D

That sounds awesome! I don't blame you for not asking about it though. It's one of those difficult things. As much as you want to know, they're asked those questions all the time and they might want to just have a nice regular conversation. But it's cool you talked about Zodiac. What did you tell him about it?

[Blackman]

Another Ruffalo film you guys should check out is "What Doesn't Kill You"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQNbJGZPkjY

It's a Boston crime story that also has Ethan Hawke, it was well acted and had a really compelling story (especially when you realize that its based on true events). The only thing I didnt really like was the ending.

It's on Netflix Instant Stream so I recommend checking it out if you can.

[tamron]

i'm not surprised there was tension between him and other people. I can't see him gelling with an Avengers film, which would have been on a very tight leash.

I can definitely see that and it's why I was surprised when Marvel initially cast Norton, even letting him let him tweak the script and being in the editing room of TIH all while knowing that a big Avengers ensemble film was the end game.

I mean, Norton's reputation of not playing well with others in Hollywood is very well-established, particularly with American History X and The Italian Job.

[Rock Sexton]

Why are they going out of their way to make the Hulk look like Mark Ruffalo? This was already tried with Eric Bana in the 2003 movie with his features, just bigger. It didn't look that good. I don't want to see the Incredible Ruffalo. Hulk's face always looks different from Banner's in the comics, and his facial features in the 2008 movie was already perfect (even if I don't think it looked completely realistic). I don't see why they need to keep reinventing the wheel. That was one thing they should've left well alone, and just concentrated on giving him more realism than 3 years ago.

The Incredible Ruffalo ..... exactly. Totally with you on this.

[Rock Sexton]

This is the part where I mention yet again how much I wish Norton was still onboard.

Hallelujah!

They should have gotten Daniel Day-Lewis. He would have injected himself with real radiation and lived alone in the desert for six months with nothing but a pair of tattered pants.

LOL ..... comment of the year.

[Rock Sexton]

I dunno, I think it may have been for the best that Norton left. After watching all the special features on TIH again, he just doesn't seem down to earth about the project at all. He's being all wanky actor, building it into an 'acting project', which I think is stupid. It's largely an ego thing. Look at Chris Evans, he has the same attitute, that it's just a character he's embodying, but he doesn't go on and on about it, he's level headed.

Honestly, having worked with actors like that before, i'm not surprised there was tension between him and other people. I can't see him gelling with an Avengers film, which would have been on a very tight leash.

Really? The level of dedication and downright devotion to the part is not even close when it comes to Norton's Hulk as compared to Evans' Cap. I can't believe you could find anything wrong with Norton after watching those.

[Danalys]

the best actors are always trouble for anyone who can't see the significance of things that they can, which is nearly everyone else.

[Sarg92]

I dunno, I think it may have been for the best that Norton left. After watching all the special features on TIH again, he just doesn't seem down to earth about the project at all. He's being all wanky actor, building it into an 'acting project', which I think is stupid. It's largely an ego thing. Look at Chris Evans, he has the same attitute, that it's just a character he's embodying, but he doesn't go on and on about it, he's level headed.

Honestly, having worked with actors like that before, i'm not surprised there was tension between him and other people. I can't see him gelling with an Avengers film, which would have been on a very tight leash.

Norton was totally dedicated to TIH. He did a lot of stuff for the film; rewriting the script, helping with casting, directing second units and being an unofficial producer of the film. He did a lot but I guess the control that he and Leterrier wanted was a no go for Marvel.



Anyway, why are they redesigning the Hulk? Banner is recasted with Ruffalo so there is going to be an obvious different physical change but Hulk is a CGI character, he can look exactly the way he did in the last film! Changing the look of Hulk is definitely messing up with consistency in the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, he was dedicated, but for all the wrong reasons. He was seeking to please himself to his own creative vision, he had no interest in the bigger picture that Marvel was working towards. He had his creative vision and Marvel had theirs, and I don't know about you guys, but i'm on Marvels side.

[jadejaws]

Anyway, why are they redesigning the Hulk? Banner is recasted with Ruffalo so there is going to be an obvious different physical change but Hulk is a CGI character, he can look exactly the way he did in the last film! Changing the look of Hulk is definitely messing up with consistency in the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

At this point, I'm surprisingly not too worked up about Ruffalo's comments...yet. I mean I assumed that they would use his features into the Hulk for the movie, but you have to also assume that the nose will be raised and the area between the nose and upper lip will be longer. I took it as, they'll use his eyes, proportions, etc. But..they'll make him a Hulk basically. As another poster said, this might not be horrible because Ruffalo has a wider face and jaw.
I posted this in another thread, but do you all think Mark's comments indicate that the Hulk will have similar hair to his? Wavy, longer...?

[Kirmit]

Just curious, who would own the rights to TIH's design, Marvel or Rhythm and Hues? If it's the latter and they're using a different company for The Avengers then that could be a reason for another Hulk design.

[WildcatNC]

Just curious, who would own the rights to TIH's design, Marvel or Rhythm and Hues? If it's the latter and they're using a different company for The Avengers then that could be a reason for another Hulk design.

Good question. I can't imagine that Marvel wouldn't own rights to the Hulk design though. Weirder things have happened.

[Sarg92]

Yeah, he was dedicated, but for all the wrong reasons. He was seeking to please himself to his own creative vision, he had no interest in the bigger picture that Marvel was working towards. He had his creative vision and Marvel had theirs, and I don't know about you guys, but i'm on Marvels side.

I understand what you are saying. To be fair, I think both Norton and Marvel are at fault.

But I do think that Norton was somewhat interested in the bigger picture (Avengers), it was his rewrites that brought in the super soldier theme into TIH.

At this point, I'm surprisingly not too worked up about Ruffalo's comments...yet. I mean I assumed that they would use his features into the Hulk for the movie, but you have to also assume that the nose will be raised and the area between the nose and upper lip will be longer. I took it as, they'll use his eyes, proportions, etc. But..they'll make him a Hulk basically. As another poster said, this might not be horrible because Ruffalo has a wider face and jaw.
I posted this in another thread, but do you all think Mark's comments indicate that the Hulk will have similar hair to his? Wavy, longer...?

I hope that is all that Ruffalo meant and that the core design is still the same as TIH.

With the hair thing, I think the hair will be longer if Ruffalo's Banner has long hair. Whatever Banner has would translate to Hulk.

[flickchick85]

That sounds awesome! I don't blame you for not asking about it though. It's one of those difficult things. As much as you want to know, they're asked those questions all the time and they might want to just have a nice regular conversation. But it's cool you talked about Zodiac. What did you tell him about it?
I just told him it was one of my favorite movies of all-time and that I thought he was great in it, and he shook my hand and thanked me, saying it was one of his faves too (and laughed about that sounding biased). He said that he thinks Fincher's brilliant, and he wished more people had seen the film. But yeah, it was pretty awesome. :woot:

[Chewy]

I posted this in another thread, but do you all think Mark's comments indicate that the Hulk will have similar hair to his? Wavy, longer...?
But you're assuming that's how Ruffalo's hair will be in the movie. They could straighten it out. I imagine Banner's and Hulk's hair will look similar but there's no telling how they'll make it look as of now.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/109478133.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E638BB1BEF4DFEF34D AFE4604A0D47D19A31B49E34B61483A9E30A760B0D811297

Hawkeye & Black Widow

[RealIrOnMaN]

Oscars - Jeremy Renner on Hawkeye in The Avengers:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/109478172.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E6B4E8371321B71872 AFE4604A0D47D19AC31F84E0870770CC

* Jeremy have read the script.
* Calls it tremendous, but can't tell a thing about it. It's really massive & undertaking script
* He has a lot of training to do, some big archery lessons for going Hawkeye, haven't seen a costume, Joss didn't showed anything

[RealIrOnMaN]

Oscars - Mark Ruffalo on Hulk in The Avengers:

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/109477864.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E669A183F4491AD948 AFE4604A0D47D19A8D79A71F560215B9

* There will be some equally time with both Bruce Banner & Hulk stuff.
* You're gonna see a lot of Hulk smashing stuff.

[wobbly]

Just curious, who would own the rights to TIH's design, Marvel or Rhythm and Hues? If it's the latter and they're using a different company for The Avengers then that could be a reason for another Hulk design.

Marvel own the design: R&H, or any other FX house, are hired hands at the end of the day, and no more own the design than any of the artists who work on the books.

That being said the computer model they created could be another matter. I'm not sure if they would be obliged to hand over any of that work to a different fx house, unless that was written into their contract when working on TIH.

So...If another FX house wanted to use the exact same design as was used in TIH, they could, but I would guess they would have to start over with the modelling process.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://dz10g1n8x1k3m.cloudfront.net/1156-5vrq2g-640.jpg?timestamp=1298854555544

Mr. Anthony Stark

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfrDdPO1qalq2oo1_500.png

WAYNE vs. STARK!

[Doctor Jones]

He looks like he's beginning to grow the Stark hair style.

[Doctor Jones]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfrDdPO1qalq2oo1_500.png

WAYNE vs. STARK!

"You want to **** with me? You think you know better? You're a ****ing choir boy compared to me. CHOIR BOY!"

But in all serioussness, get a better look and I will jizz my pants. I can't believe I said that.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfs9csx1qztd4zo1_500.jpg

[Dr Lee]

He looks like he's beginning to grow the Stark hair style.

I just mentioned that to my brother...

[Blackman]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfs9csx1qztd4zo1_500.jpg

rap beef...

[Stringer]

I hope Bale enjoys the last few weeks with that beard of his lol.

[Iron_Stark]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfs9csx1qztd4zo1_500.jpg

Damn I'd love to see a video of this.

[herolee10]

Oscars - Mark Ruffalo on Hulk in The Avengers:

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/109477864.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E669A183F4491AD948 AFE4604A0D47D19A8D79A71F560215B9

* There will be some equally time with both Bruce Banner & Hulk stuff.
* You're gonna see a lot of Hulk smashing stuff.

Hmm...i wonder if that means that he'll be more avenger than menace for the film after all...

[Spider-Vader]

I hope Bale enjoys the last few weeks with that beard of his lol.
Maybe to convince the authorities that Batman is truly on the run, Wayne will grow a bum beard? :awesome:

[Khemik@L]

Ruffalo's very busy today:
Mark Ruffalo Reveals First Specific Details On His Transformation Into The Hulk! (http://www.**************.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=30953)

[Pac-Master]

^^^ Can't wait.

[herolee10]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfs9csx1qztd4zo1_500.jpg

Maybe they're finally settling the issue that was start up way back when this had happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czvD3aVk8Y

lol

[BigThor]

rap beef...

Hahaha "rap beef" :woot:

[Sarg92]

Now that Ruffalo says that the motion capture technology from Avatar will be used, could this mean that WETA are going to be the main CGI studio for the film? The performance capture tech developed for Avatar has been used or is being used by a couple of films such as A Christmas Carol, Rise of the Apes and Tintin. With A Christmas Carol being a Disney production, they obviously went with their own CGI companies but Rise of the Apes and Tintin are being rendered by WETA.

So it could be possible that WETA will be behind The Avengers, if true then we will have the best photorealistic Hulk portrayed on film in The Avengers.

[Spideyfan93]

So a 2003 Hulk with less wimpyness and more ROAR ANGRY GGAAAHHHH?!




Sweet.

[Doctor Jones]

I just told him it was one of my favorite movies of all-time and that I thought he was great in it, and he shook my hand and thanked me, saying it was one of his faves too (and laughed about that sounding biased). He said that he thinks Fincher's brilliant, and he wished more people had seen the film. But yeah, it was pretty awesome. :woot:

That sounds like a great experience. I'd kill to meet an actor like that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

WETA doing Avengers? That would be incredible.

[wobbly]

Now that Ruffalo says that the motion capture technology from Avatar will be used, could this mean that WETA are going to be the main CGI studio for the film? The performance capture tech developed for Avatar has been used or is being used by a couple of films such as A Christmas Carol, Rise of the Apes and Tintin. With A Christmas Carol being a Disney production, they obviously went with their own CGI companies but Rise of the Apes and Tintin are being rendered by WETA.

So it could be possible that WETA will be behind The Avengers, if true then we will have the best photorealistic Hulk portrayed on film in The Avengers.

Once the process/technique is out there any fx house can get their hands on it. Maybe not directly, but they can certainly develop their own working version of it (the technology for Avatar was not strictly new, but the technique was) Also, with Marvels movies they are not Disney films as such. The mouse is the big umbrella that owns the lot, but Marvel Studios is it's own beast and I would imagine they will continue tender FX projects out to bidders just as they have always done.

Anyway, all I'm saying there is it's possible they are using the same technique as Avatar, but it need not be the same Fx house (Weta) doing it.

[Doctor Jones]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhayfs9csx1qztd4zo1_500.jpg

Incredible.

I would commit heinous acts to see these two in a film together.

[Sarg92]

Once the process/technique is out there any fx house can get their hands on it. Maybe not directly, but they can certainly develop their own working version of it (the technology for Avatar was not strictly new, but the technique was) Also, with Marvels movies they are not Disney films as such. The mouse is the big umbrella that owns the lot, but Marvel Studios is it's own beast and I would imagine they will continue tender FX projects out to bidders just as they have always done.

Anyway, all I'm saying there is it's possible they are using the same technique as Avatar, but it need not be the same Fx house (Weta) doing it.

Some of the tech used for Avatar was new such as the Simul-cam. The head rig was also a technology that was developed whilst creating Avatar but also WETA developed a lot of new algorithms to use the data from the performance capture tech with the rendering process. WETA created an algorithm whilst making Avatar to render eyes as photoreal as possible which was so good that ILM were asking WETA if they could share it with them and WETA declined.

If Ruffalo means that they are going to be using pretty much the exact tech used on Avatar then in my opinion WETA are the best CGI studio to use but if he meant they are using similar performance capture tech then I guess Marvel will just use the best studio possible that is available.

[Khemik@L]

WETA doing Avengers? That would be incredible.

I'm almost sure that last year I read somewhere on the net that they would in fact be doing the effects for Avengers. Gimme a minute lemme try and find anything to that effect. Google man to the rescue lol

UPDATE: False alarm what i saw was this: BUF To Work on Thor (http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/100117-buf-is-lead-on-thor-visual-effects). I got trick cause they also worked on Avatar

[wobbly]

Some of the tech used for Avatar was new such as the Simul-cam. The head rig was also a technology that was developed whilst creating Avatar but also WETA developed a lot of new algorithms to use the data from the performance capture tech with the rendering process. WETA created an algorithm whilst making Avatar to render eyes as photoreal as possible which was so good that ILM were asking WETA if they could share it with them and WETA declined.

If Ruffalo means that they are going to be using pretty much the exact tech used on Avatar then in my opinion WETA are the best CGI studio to use but if he meant they are using similar performance capture tech then I guess Marvel will just use the best studio possible that is available.

I'm not trying to knock what an achievement Avatar was, but I stand by saying the tech was not stricly new: Cameras's and computers are all existing tech, but they applied it in a new way (the head rig for example could be replicated by another company quite easily as it's basically a helmet with cameras mounted inside catching every movement of the face and eyes). The algorithms used for rendering though would be in the bespoke programming of the 3D software rather than the hardware, and not at all easy for competitors to replicate from scratch, so I certainly get why WETA would be the best choice if they are using the same technique (they already have it mastered, anyone else would have to figure it out).

I would guess though Marvel will have budget in mind and going the full Avatar for one character might be too pricey for them. Depends how much WETA would want for doing the Hulk I guess.

[Chewy]

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[samsnee]

Not to rehash old arguments, but does anyone else feel like The Incredible Hulk is pretty much more and more its own movie that doesn't really exist in this Avengers universe? I thought it was a good movie, and in some ways more enjoyable than the first Iron Man. But with both Ruffalo replacing Norton and a new look for Hulk from TIH, what really ties that movie to the Avengers?

There was the scene at the end with Stark meeting Ross, but as far as we know, Ross isn't in the Avengers, so it was kind of a pointless scene. At least with Fury's scene in IM1, that set it up that it was a larger universe. It was a little overdone in IM2, but you still get the sense it's all part of a bigger picture.

Not that TIH should have been just one long ad for Avengers, but really, it feels like it was an unnecessary reboot. Maybe they should have done it AFTER the Avengers.

[saiyanaida]

Exclusive: We Know Who The Bad Guys Are In 'The Avengers


For quite some time no one really knew who "The Avengers" would fight in the upcoming 2012 movie that Joss Whedon is directing. There were stories that the HULK would be the villain and even in 2009 we reported that Kevin Feige sort of hinted that the Skrulls might be the villains.

Feige went as far as saying the following:

In my opinion, The Skrulls are really the only viable threat that would require so many super heroes to fight as a team. Sure, you could have The Hulk as a villain in the beginning, but then they have to come together for an even bigger threat. Something hinted about in IM2, Thor and Cap by Nick Fury's presence. Plus Fox doesn't have the rights to The Skrulls, only the Super Skrull. But this is just my inner geek thinking out loud and hoping.

Well Marvel geek nerds, today I have some juicy news to tell you, a few hours ago I was talking to my reliable inside sources who have confirmed with me who the villain is and much more.

There was some stories that the Skrulls were in the movie BUT of course the powers that be denied it as usual.

Some spoilers are coming up so be warned!

You still here?

OKAY you have been warned.

The main villain for The Avengers is none other than Thor's adoptive brother and archenemy LOKI!


http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/loki-thor-pic.jpg


Tom Hiddleston will portray Loki in the upcoming live-action Marvel Studios film "Thor" directed by Kenneth Branagh.

But that's not all, Loki needs some serious muscle to go up against "The Avengers" and he does this by using the cosmic cube seen in "Captain America: The First Avenger" and also seen in the screen capture I took of the "Thor" Comic-Con trailer. Loki uses the cube to get a hold of the Aliens (aka The Skrulls) to invade Earth and fight "The Avengers." Skrulls are green-skinned reptilian humanoids with large pointed ears, red or green eyes, and corrugated chins.


http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/captamericahugo-cube1.jpg

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/lokithor1.jpg

I actually like the idea of Loki/the Aliens going up against "The Avengers" because this allows Marvel to do something really cool and also the fact that there are a lot Skrulls "The Avengers" have to go up against.



http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/skrullspic.jpg

Makes total sense how "The Avengers" ties in to the upcoming Thor and Captain America movies.

What do you think of Loki and the Aliens vs "The Avengers?"

"The Avengers" stars Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Clark Gregg, Scarlett Johansson, Samuel L. Jackson, and Mark Ruffal.

The film hits theaters summer of May 4, 2012.


http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-we-know-who-the-bad-guys-are-in-the-avengers-12782

[Iceman]

I'd be pretty happy if that was true!

[Spideyfan93]

:awesome:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sounds fantastic!

[Pac-Master]

AICN is reporting that there will be a specially made Avengers teaser trailer in front of Captain America or Thor:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48710

That would be so awesome. Let's hope it's true.

[Spideyfan93]

OMG! Please be in front of Thor!

[BigThor]

If it's true that sounds great for the first Avengers in my opinion. I'll be glad to see Loki becoming one of the biggest comic book film villains ever.

Thor just might not be overlooked in favor of Cap & Iron Man after all :up:.

[Spider-ManHero12]

AICN is reporting that there will be a specially made Avengers teaser trailer in front of Captain America or Thor:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48710

That would be so awesome. Let's hope it's true. Holy crap! I sure hope so!

[Iceman]

1.Hulk before we see he's controlled by 2.Loki who then gains influence over 3.The Skrulls.

Truly a multi-threat worthy of forming the Avengers :cool:

Everyone's happy! :woot:

[terry78]

If Whedon can actually make live action Skrull invasions plausible, he gets the right to be called God after that ****.

[louiebling$]

Hmm Teaser in front of Thor and Cap....intruiging... hope its true :up:

[Pac-Master]

Hmm Teaser in front of Thor and Cap....intruiging... hope its true :up:

Thor OR Cap...I'm thinking, if it's true, Captain America. It would make more sense, in my opinion.

[Blader5489]

Yeah, it wouldn't make much sense to attach an Avengers teaser with Thor. Why tease Loki as the villain in The Avengers when audiences haven't even been introduced to Loki yet? :oldrazz:

[Spideyfan93]

lmao true.

[Blackman]

I was wondering if they would put an Avengers teaser before Thor and/or Cap

I was thinking they would just use the text trailer from Comic con

[BigThor]

^^^ I agree, plus if it's released with Cap they'll have more time for editing and they'll have shot more scenes by then.

[Nokio]

Not enough muscle and power on the Avengers for a Skrull throw down. Where is Ms Marvel, Scarlett Witch, Quicksilver, Sersi, Captain Marvel. They need some more energy powered Super heroes. Thor is basically it. Stark has the suit but the rest? Hawkeye, Back Widow, Cap??? I like them but they arent heavy hitters in terms of power.

[Stringer]

If this is true, I'm going to have to agree with some of the actors and wonder just how the hell is Whedon going to shoot this thing???

[Spider-Vader]

I'd assume the teaser would be in-front of Cap, as it's the last Marvel movie until Avengers. I'd honestly be fine with the SDCC '10 Avengers teaser again, a brand-new trailer is just gravy.

[herolee10]

Not to rehash old arguments, but does anyone else feel like The Incredible Hulk is pretty much more and more its own movie that doesn't really exist in this Avengers universe? I thought it was a good movie, and in some ways more enjoyable than the first Iron Man. But with both Ruffalo replacing Norton and a new look for Hulk from TIH, what really ties that movie to the Avengers?

There was the scene at the end with Stark meeting Ross, but as far as we know, Ross isn't in the Avengers, so it was kind of a pointless scene. At least with Fury's scene in IM1, that set it up that it was a larger universe. It was a little overdone in IM2, but you still get the sense it's all part of a bigger picture.

Not that TIH should have been just one long ad for Avengers, but really, it feels like it was an unnecessary reboot. Maybe they should have done it AFTER the Avengers.

well we saw that in Iron Man 2, that fury was keeping tabs on the Hulk's movements, and even though we have a new banner and new hulk, it doesn't necessarily mean that the events of TIH didn't happen, similar to how even though Val Kilmer replaced Keaton, and how Clooney replaced Kilmer, their batmans still existed in the same fictional universe, just with a different look.

[Chewy]

So my guess if that is true would be...

Fury is gathering the Avengers to capture the Hulk

Loki is pissed because Thor fell in love with a human and then stopped him

Loki sets Hulk off on a rampage to distract Earth's superheroes (Iron Man, Cap)

Then he brings the Skrulls to destroy humanity

Thor learns of Loki's plot and somehow finds his way back to Earth

Iron Man, Cap and Thor versus Hulk

The Avengers and Hulk decide to work together for the greater good

Avengers vs Skrulls

Happy ending, "Yay we're a team"

[Parker Wayne]

This is great news! It's pretty smart to use both as villains.

[Pac-Master]

I think the trailer will be fairly simple with no real action scenes in it. The article DOES say it was already shot. When do they end filming, anyway? I know they start in May.

[Sebastos]

:awesome: If it's in front of Thor.

[JP]

Can't even!

[Doctor Jones]

Whoa, this sounds awesome. It would have to be with Cap. it makes more sense. I wonder what a solo teaser with Loki would be like though?

[Whiskey Tango]

I have long hoped that the Skrull invasion would feature in Avengers. That Loki is behind it and we get a throwdown with Hulk on top of that is so crazy I can hardly believe it. It's gonna be huge!

Assuming CBM isn't blowing smoke up our asses, of course.

[Chewy]

I have long hoped that the Skrull invasion would feature in Avengers. That Loki is behind it and we get a throwdown with Hulk on top of that is so crazy I can hardly believe it. It's gonna be huge!

Assuming CBM isn't blowing smoke up our asses, of course.

It's not from CBM. It's from LatinoReview!





...which means it still might not be true. But it's more likely :yay:

[Whiskey Tango]

It's not from CBM. It's from LatinoReview!

Yay!

...which means it still might not be true. But it's more likely :yay:

Still yay!

[Blanket-Man]

Not sure if this has been suggested, but maybe this teaser will air after CAPTAIN AMERICA. Almost like Back to the Future II's "Continued Next Summer!" blurb, but with a quick scene or two thrown in...

It really wouldn't make much sense to show a trailer BEFORE Cap or Thor for a movie that takes place AFTER the movie that's about to be shown. That would be not only unprecedented but illogical, wouldn't it?

[TomPiltoff]

I'm not super familiar with The Skrulls. I understand they're an alien race that can shape shift, right?

I'm fine with them as villains, but my only concern is that it seems like a lot for one movie.

[Chewy]

It's really not anymore than is in Cap or Thor

Main character: Cap; Thor; Cap/Thor/IM

Origin: SSS; Banishment; Formation of Team

Supporting Heroes: Bucky/Howling Commandos; Sif/Warriors Three; BW/Hawkeye/Hulk

Army: Chester Phillips/US Army; Coulson/SHIELD; Fury/SHIELD

Villain: Red Skull; Loki; Loki

Villainous Army: HYDRA; Frost Giants; Skrulls

[NEXUS 6]

It's really not anymore than is in Cap or Thor

Main character: Cap; Thor; Cap/Thor/IM

Origin: SSS; Banishment; Formation of Team

Supporting Heroes: Bucky/Howling Commandos; Sif/Warriors Three; BW/Hawkeye/Hulk

Army: Chester Phillips/US Army; Coulson/SHIELD; Fury/SHIELD

Villain: Red Skull; Loki; Loki

Villainous Army: HYDRA; Frost Giants; Skrulls

Only problem with that logic, though, is we haven't seen Cap or Thor to judge whether or not they're too crowded.

[conan69]

In my opinion, The Skrulls are really the only viable threat that would require so many super heroes to fight as a team. Yea a indestructible superpowered villian with no conscience like Ultron would be no threat at all.

[Parker Wayne]

Only problem with that logic, though, is we haven't seen Cap or Thor to judge whether or not they're too crowded.

Then imagine it with Iron Man and TIH


Main character: Iron Man/Hulk

Origin: Kidnapping/Radiation

Supporting Heroes: Rhodey, Pepper, Coulson/Betty Ross, Sterns

Army: Rhodey, US Air Force/ General Ross, US Army

Villain: Stane/General Ross, Blonsky

Villainous Army: Ten Rings/US Army

[AndrewGilkison]

I'm not super familiar with The Skrulls. I understand they're an alien race that can shape shift, right?

I'm fine with them as villains, but my only concern is that it seems like a lot for one movie.

Loki alone would be a big threat... for one single Marvel hero. But we're talking about The Avengers here. We need a threat to logically put those hereos together in an alliance, and I think an Alien Invasion would just about do it.

[Wolvieboy17]

How would a skrull invasion really work that way, though. The way the skrulls operate is by gradually infiltrating positions of power. It's more of a passive style of invasion rather than an all out conrontation. Combine that with Loki, who pulls strings and stays in the shadows and I wonder how they could actually pull that off.

[JAK®]

I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.

[Chewy]

How would a skrull invasion really work that way, though. The way the skrulls operate is by gradually infiltrating positions of power. It's more of a passive style of invasion rather than an all out conrontation. Combine that with Loki, who pulls strings and stays in the shadows and I wonder how they could actually pull that off.
Indeed. If there's any reason to doubt this it'd be that. The Skrulls would be a threat Fury would need superheroes for, but why would he be gathering a team to deal with a threat that will be called to Earth mid-way through. Likewise, making a Skrull invasion a generic alien-invasion storyline instead of a "they walk among us, don't trust your neighbor" type deal seems off.

I have no doubt Loki's in this. Hiddleston has basically said as much. I also have no doubt the Skrulls are in this. There would be no reason for Feige to name-drop them the way he did otherwise. But I think the actual plot involving them both is being misinterpreted by LatinoReview.

RDJ, Hemsworth, Scruffalo, and Renner have all said the script is great. I'm not worried, I'm just interested in seeing how it all goes down.
I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3899/skrullsaweb.jpg

[TikkiEXX]

well they can just say that the Skrulls have been skulking around for years undetected. i dont think thats all that big of an issue. damn shame we cant get Super Skrull. damn you Fox!! damn you to hell!!!! lol

[Wolvieboy17]

Personally I think Skrulls would work better as a second movie threat. If they use them properly, having them disguised within society, that's not the kind of threat I think you bring the Avengers together for, I can see that working better once they've been established. With Nicky Fury being like "This is a threat like nothing else we've ever faced." It's just a plot that would need alot of complexity and layers, which could be hard when trying to establish the Avengers as a team. Also, as I said, if they're used properly, they're a more passive threat. 4 super powered dudes can't exactly punch an invasion away when it's already infiltrated their way of life. And to be honest, with Skrulls in, why would you even need Loki? Loki is one dude that they could take out, since presumably Thor has done just that on his own in his film, whereas Skrulls are a sizable threat. I'd rather see Loki bring all the various villains together, Leader, Abomination, Hammer and maybe Red Skull.

That said, I can see them justifying Skrulls and Loki, since they've made Asgardian otherworldly, and frost giants are on another planet, then it would make sense that Loki is aware of the Skrulls. Perhaps it could imply at the end that all along, everything Loki has thrown at them has been a distraction from a Skrull invasion, leading into that for the sequel.

[herolee10]

Indeed. If there's any reason to doubt this it'd be that. The Skrulls would be a threat Fury would need superheroes for, but why would he be gathering a team to deal with a threat that will be called to Earth mid-way through. Likewise, making a Skrull invasion a generic alien-invasion storyline instead of a "they walk among us, don't trust your neighbor" type deal seems off.

I have no doubt Loki's in this. Hiddleston has basically said as much. I also have no doubt the Skrulls are in this. There would be no reason for Feige to name-drop them the way he did otherwise. But I think the actual plot involving them both is being misinterpreted by LatinoReview.




Maybe something is revealed in CA: TFA that indicates the looming presence and threat of the Skrulls? I mean doesn't the article say that Loki brings the Skrulls invasion on earth by using the cosmic cube?

And seeing as how the cosmic cube is one of the main devices for CA's film, maybe something happens that makes someone there realize on what could come, or what will come someday to pose a greater threat on humanity.

[dark_b]

what if Loki fro mThor is not popular? what if people will nto like the actor who plays Loki?

isnt this a big risk to have a villain from a movie that is not yet realesed? you dont know what kind reaction they will get.

[saiyanaida]

Marvel should try to work out a deal with sony and fox to make Avengers : The Secret War with wolverine and spiderman

[Chewy]

what if Loki fro mThor is not popular? what if people will nto like the actor who plays Loki?

isnt this a big risk to have a villain from a movie that is not yet realesed? you dont know what kind reaction they will get.
No more of a risk than bringing back other actors like Chris Hemsworth or Chris Evans. This entire venture has been built on risk, no reason to back down and leave out the Avengers' first villain.

[JAK®]

No more of a risk than bringing back other actors like Chris Hemsworth or Chris Evans. This entire venture has been built on risk, no reason to back down and leave out the Avengers' first villain.
But Marvel has an advantage with Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr to generate interest on the hero side of things. The marketing could very well end up being about "Iron Man and friends" depending on how the other characters are received...

[SuperSAINT]

But Marvel has an advantage with Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr to generate interest on the hero side of things. The marketing could very well end up being about "Iron Man and friends" depending on how the other characters are received...

But like Chewy says, it's a risk. Even if the worst happens, and Cap + Thor bomb, they'll still be making Avengers anyway -- And if they Avengers cleans up at the box office (which it should), then there's a good argument that Thor & Cap could both have a new lease of life again.

[steintym]

The more I think about this, the more I think the Skrulls might be the main threat for a sequel. I think they will be hinted at and we'll see evidence of a threat growing, maybe even a fight or two where a Skrull's true form is revealed after being killed, But the buildup will be for a sequel. All of this will take place while Loki is stirring up crap, controlling the Hulk, etc.

[Gunga Diner]

How Loki works as a villain is going to hinge on what they do with him in the Thor movie. Whedon's villains are the ones who are right in their own minds and have a point of view that the audience can understand, if not necessarily agree with. They can get away with using the Skrulls, who are unsympathetic (as far as I'm aware) if they have a villain that we can be interested in. Loki needs to be that guy.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.

Out of left field .... exactly man. I feel the same.

[SuperSAINT]

Out of left field .... exactly man. I feel the same.

It won't be out of left field if Loki & the potential power of the cosmic cube are explained in both Thor & Cap.

[Rock Sexton]

It won't be out of left field if Loki & the potential power of the cosmic cube are explained in both Thor & Cap.

Fury is assembling a team for a "known" threat. How would he know about the Skrulls via a Cosmic Cube Loki is using?

[SuperSAINT]

Fury is assembling a team for a "known" threat. How would he know about the Skrulls via a Cosmic Cube Loki is using?

I don't know why he's assembling them, but it's a pretty smart move to put a bunch of superheroes together.... You never know what's around the corner....

[marvel_freshman]

All I'm gonna say is, folks are over exaggerating Loki's presence in the film. Consider him a behind the scene "mastermind" behind almost everything bad that'll happen, even if it spans over an Avengers trilogy.

[steintym]

It was implied in the Iron Man movies that the superheros were being assemble for a known threat, though, not because Fury was just planning ahead.

[Blader5489]

It was implied in the Iron Man movies that the superheros were being assemble for a known threat, though, not because Fury was just planning ahead.

The Hulk

He already exists prior to IM1, and when Stark meets Ross, he outright tells him that the Avengers are being created to bring in the Hulk.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.hasbro.com/marvel/en_us/avengers/images/generic/hdr/subpage-header.jpg (http://www.hasbro.com/marvel/en_US/avengers/thor/)

Marvel & Hasbro has officially opened the Avengers website for the promotion of such movies, as "Thor", "The First Avenger" & "The Avengers"! Have fun :D

[Crimson King]

^Woohoo! I want May to hurry up and get here. Then I want July to be immediately after. Following that, I want SDCC to occur so I can get my Avengers trailer.

Not asking much.

[spideyboy_1111]

The Hulk

He already exists prior to IM1, and when Stark meets Ross, he outright tells him that the Avengers are being created to bring in the Hulk.

eh not really.... Tony could be also implying that they can control the hulk and put him to good use.

[SuperSAINT]

Given what I heard yesterday about AVENGERS (scoop pending) - CAPTAIN AMERICA has me frothing at the mouth. This is EXACTLY what I want

Above quote from Harry Knowles @ AICN on the Red Skull talkback...

Not sure exactly what that means, or if I've read that out of context, but there COULD be another Avengers scoop to come (or maybe not)

[TikkiEXX]

Above quote from Harry Knowles @ AICN on the Red Skull talkback...

Not sure exactly what that means, or if I've read that out of context, but there COULD be another Avengers scoop to come (or maybe not)
yeah i caught that. im not sure but it kinda sounded like he knows something and cant come out and say it yet. im not getting my hopes up but youre right, there may be some more news coming hopefully soon.

[Spideyfan93]

Everything is coming together and I can't believe it.

[Danalys]

yeah i caught that. im not sure but it kinda sounded like he knows something and cant come out and say it yet. im not getting my hopes up but youre right, there may be some more news coming hopefully soon.

could be old news unless AICN have got their act together again.

[Danalys]

:awesome: If it's in front of Thor.

i don't think they could it'd spoil loki's fate somewhat. they could do it after the film after the coda like the BttF3 preview with BttF2.

[Stringer]

Devin on badass digest said he'd be willing to bet whatever they shot is for after the credits of Captain America.

[Rock Sexton]

The Hulk

He already exists prior to IM1, and when Stark meets Ross, he outright tells him that the Avengers are being created to bring in the Hulk.

That's entirely an assumption at this point. It was never explicitly stated whether they wanted to take the Hulk on or attempt to use him for the greater good.

[Rock Sexton]

http://www.hasbro.com/marvel/en_us/avengers/images/generic/hdr/subpage-header.jpg (http://www.hasbro.com/marvel/en_US/avengers/thor/)

Marvel & Hasbro has officially opened the Avengers website for the promotion of such movies, as "Thor", "The First Avenger" & "The Avengers"! Have fun :D

What's up with part of Cap's shoulder missing?

[Danalys]

That's entirely an assumption at this point. It was never explicitly stated whether they wanted to take the Hulk on or attempt to use him for the greater good.

it's looking like his implication might have been "back off the hulk, we're in charge now."

[Dr Lee]

What's up with part of Cap's shoulder missing?

bad photoshopping...

[Son of Coul]

literal photochopping

[Blader5489]

That's entirely an assumption at this point. It was never explicitly stated whether they wanted to take the Hulk on or attempt to use him for the greater good.

Either way is irrelevant. The point is is that Fury is putting the team together to retrieve the Hulk, regardless of what his intentions for Banner are.

[Rock Sexton]

BTW, with the confirmation that they will be filming in Cleveland, I've decided I'm going to visit. My entire fam is from there. I'm able to work from my laptop so I should be able to spend time and get some good spy pics!

[Rock Sexton]

Either way is irrelevant. The point is is that Fury is putting the team together to retrieve the Hulk, regardless of what his intentions for Banner are.

Again, they don't state that. That's your assumption. While I'm certain there's a clash, Fury wants the team together for a much larger purpose.

[Rock Sexton]

Also .... just a thought, but in order to really reign Ruffalo in nicely, wouldn't it help if they had a cameo from Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross? Something to re-familiarize the audience with the exploits of the previous Hulk film?

[Dr Lee]

BTW, with the confirmation that they will be filming in Cleveland, I've decided I'm going to visit. My entire fam is from there. I'm able to work from my laptop so I should be able to spend time and get some good spy pics!

i've just seen that a friend is in the general area as well... might see if she can get a few snaps as well...

[spideyboy_1111]

Also .... just a thought, but in order to really reign Ruffalo in nicely, wouldn't it help if they had a cameo from Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross? Something to re-familiarize the audience with the exploits of the previous Hulk film?

that's what i'm hoping... I'd really hate for them to recast the entire cast again...Did we ever hear how many films Hurt, Tyler, Roth, Nelson and Burrell are signed up for? because ... technically they could be contracted to the hulk sequels

[Son of Coul]

Roth has said three (but in a "unique way," presumably talking about the relatively new MCU concept at the time), I dunno about the others.

[spideyboy_1111]

Roth has said three (but in a "unique way," presumably talking about the relatively new MCU concept at the time), I dunno about the others.

well i think everyone but Roth... should have been signed on for 3... villains rarely re-appear... doubt abomination would

[Steve Holt]

roth signed a 3 pic deal too

[Blader5489]

Again, they don't state that. That's your assumption. While I'm certain there's a clash, Fury wants the team together for a much larger purpose.

"I hear you have an unusual problem."

"We're putting together a team."

Unless you want to argue that these two sentences are unrelated, and Stark just decided to change topic halfway through the conversation, the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk.

[WillardNation]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

[Rock Sexton]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

Preach on brother Willard!

[Rock Sexton]

"I hear you have an unusual problem."

"We're putting together a team."

Unless you want to argue that these two sentences are unrelated, and Stark just decided to change topic halfway through the conversation, the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk.

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

[Wolvieboy17]

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

That phrasing is confusing. Are you saying TIH was....after...Stark's comments to Ross?

[spideyboy_1111]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers

[BigThor]

^^^ He's right

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I thought that was the correct order.

[herolee10]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers

True, but I wonder when the present day scenes for CA happens, and it was also stated that Banner had transformed into the Hulk five years prior to the events of TIH, and thus five years prior to IM1 and 2

[BigThor]

That's quite an interesting point you just made.

[herolee10]

It's kind of funny for me to note, but prior to all of this possible new info having been spoiled, I had always been under the assumption that the Avengers film would place a good amount of focus on retrieving CA back into the present day after being located and defrosted. i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

In any case, I was just remembering something that Ruffalo had said regarding Banner in the film. It was something about how Banner would be portrayed in this film as the kind of guy who wanted to be isolated and left alone from people, thus whoever had speculated/came up with idea that the reason why Tony had visited Ross to inform him that the Hulk was now under their jurisdiction and how they wanted to find the Hulk to recruit him may be onto something.

[herolee10]

It's kind of funny for me to note, but prior to all of this possible new info having been spoiled, I had always been under the assumption that the Avengers film would place a good amount of focus on retrieving CA back into the present day after being located and defrosted. i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

In any case, I was just remembering something that Ruffalo had said regarding Banner in the film. It was something about how Banner would be portrayed in this film as the kind of guy who wanted to be isolated and left alone from people, thus whoever had speculated/came up with idea that the reason why Tony had visited Ross to inform him that the Hulk was now under their jurisdiction and how they wanted to find the Hulk to recruit him may be onto something.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

[herolee10]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

Agreed; plus imho, if Banner/The Hulk was someone that Fury considered to be a REAL THREAT for humanity, then I think Banner would have been discovered and "taken down" in some way a long time ago. Heck, Fury could have easily sent in SHIELD agents to acquire Banner back when he was being tracked to New York.

But in any case, if the database in Iron Man 2's dvd SHIELD vault is to be taken seriously, along with how we know that Fury has been keeping tabs on the Hulk's movements, then I would agree as well that the Hulk is at least a person of interest to Fury's plans.


Also, I just wanted to point out, that while some may believe that having another "alien invasion" scenario for a film like the Avengers may be boring, I would respectfully have to disagree.

I can't remember the last time where I saw an "alien invasion" type of film that presented a believable reason as to why Earth had a chance on surviving. From the films I've seen, there would always be some type of plot device mixed with Luck that would be found at the end that would end up saving the human race.

Here we have a group of superheroes, that are formidable enough to make it believable that earth has a chance. It still won't be easily won, but at least it'll be entertaining to see as to how they achieve the result.

And plus, to see all of their egos placed into one group and how they work it out for the better of mankind is something that I can't wait to see as well.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong. Agreed. though, everybody is entitled to their opinion, lol. I really think TIH is vastly superior to Hulk (2003) though.

[BigThor]

Agreed. though, everybody is entitled to their opinion, lol. I really think TIH is vastly superior to Hulk (2003) though.

I agree as well

[BigThor]

i never thought of the possibility that they would instead shift that "retrieve and return" focus on Thor (assuming of course if the speculation of him being trapped in Asgard at the end of Thor is true).

In a way, if Loki truly is the main villain of the film, and that they'll devote time into retrieving Thor back on Earth, needless to say, Thor's importance for the group has just been raised in my opinion, which I personally have no problem with.

This :up:

I'm very excited to see that Thor is going to be treated as an integral part of the story in the Avengers. I use to have my doubts about Thor being slightly looked over in favor of Cap & Iron Man, but now I'm starting to think the Big Three is going to actually be treated relatively equally.

[Mercurius]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

Nope. I'm thin.

And right. Thin. And. Right. :woot::oldrazz:

[Crimson King]

Nope. I'm thin.

And right. Thin. And. Right. :woot::oldrazz:

I think we can compromise that you're thin and wrong. :yay:

[Iceman]

Wonder what the budget is if Skrulls are involved. Hopefully enough to do justice to them & all the Avengers.

[Mercurius]

I think we can compromise that you're thin and wrong. :yay:

I wish I could. :woot:

Nothing in TIH was anywhere near that fantastic desert scene in which Hulk smashed. CGI worked as a miracle there, one can really feel Hulk's weight.

More: Hulk looks like a monster, a beast vaguely human in Lee's movie.

TIH has a way too ripped Hulk that seemed weightless. The excessive details also are a problem, cause it results in something that screams artificial, it looks like a Jim Lee sketch. Yikes!

And TIH had a Hulk with an emo face. I didn't like it. Not. one. bit.

[OB12]

The desert scene in Ang's Hulk was pretty good, but overall the movie was a bore and the fact that the Hulk was close to 20-25 feet tall really took him out of scenes more than any weightless feature TIH might have had. Ang's Hulk proportions to his surrounding environment was really poorly planned out.

On another note, I agree with the point made about alien invasions in other movies. It really is true that there never is a very credible defense of Earth. Victory comes in the form of happenstance and some rediculous leaps of faith. It would be great to see powerful beings standing up against an advanced civilization.

[marcvader]

Wonder what the budget is if Skrulls are involved. Hopefully enough to do justice to them & all the Avengers.

Hopefully Marvel's frugalness up to this point means they were planning ahead for Avengers.

[Chewy]

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven). Once fury recruits Stark at the end of 2, then comes his scene with general ross. Thor begins at the end of Ironman 2... so essentially the correct timeline of these movies goes as follows..

Captain America
Ironman
Ironman 2, (incredible hulk begins about halfway through IM2)
Incredible Hulk (Since thor begins at the end of IM2, it also begins halfway between TIH)
Thor
Avengers
The scene from the end of IM2 is in the middle of Thor, not at the beginning

[Wolvieboy17]

What are you basing that on? Iron Man 2 ends with Coulson finding the hammer, it would have to be roughly when Thor started, or at least pretty much in line with when Thor appears on earth.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to fill in some exact continuity blanks once we've actually seen the movies, like the Cap present day parts, and how Thor actually ends.

[Crimson King]

I wish I could. :woot:

Nothing in TIH was anywhere near that fantastic desert scene in which Hulk smashed. CGI worked as a miracle there, one can really feel Hulk's weight.

More: Hulk looks like a monster, a beast vaguely human in Lee's movie.

TIH has a way too ripped Hulk that seemed weightless. The excessive details also are a problem, cause it results in something that screams artificial, it looks like a Jim Lee sketch. Yikes!

And TIH had a Hulk with an emo face. I didn't like it. Not. one. bit.

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

[Blader5489]

You're mixing two comments together though that were made separately. The one Fury made to Stark was pre-TIH. So at that point Fury was already assembling the team for something. TIH then happens after both IM's and Stark's comments to Ross, were yes, about The Hulk, but it's isolated.

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.

Hulk begins to happen during Iron Man 2... (that's been proven).

The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.

[Wolvieboy17]

I'd rather Emo Hulk over Zen Buddhist Hulk, at least the Emo will get angry :)

[flickchick85]

What are you basing that on? Iron Man 2 ends with Coulson finding the hammer, it would have to be roughly when Thor started, or at least pretty much in line with when Thor appears on earth.
That scene, while still in the 1st half, isn't really at the beginning of Thor. It occurs 60 pages into the script.

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, personally, I don't think Fury is recruiting the Avengers just to take down the Hulk. He may well intend to use them for that purpose, but I can see him wanting to use and recruit Banner rather than just 'take him out'. I think there is either a known threat or Fury, like he is in the comics, recognising the growing threat of super-powered beings wants to capitalise on it, and since things like the Cosmic cube have been known about since WWII, and SHIELD seem to generally know a lot about these things, it would make sense that Fury is indeed planning for the future. That's always been one of his key personality traits, his ruthlessness in planning for any eventuality and his penchant for keeping secrets.

Plus we know from Coulson in Thor that Hyrda is still alive and well ....

[Wolvieboy17]

Wow, two comments in a row, both quoting me, full of spoilers. I'm actually super annoyed by that :S

[flickchick85]

Is it really spoilery that that scene isn't in the beginning? I didn't say anything about what happens before or after it. I mean, you did raise the question. :huh:

Either way, I apologize. I hate spoiling people. :csad:

[Rock Sexton]

Wow, two comments in a row, both quoting me, full of spoilers. I'm actually super annoyed by that :S

I blacked mine out dude. Alas, we are in the Avengers spoiler forum. LOL

[Wolvieboy17]

But not the Thor spoiler Forum :P

[flickchick85]

Well, the damage has been done, but I blacked it out anyway.

Still don't think it spoiled anything though. :oldrazz:

[Wolvieboy17]

Well not a huge one, I just don't want to know anything regarding the script. I'm fine with speculating, but i'll enjoy the script through the actors on opening night.

[flickchick85]

Well it's always worth keeping in mind that things have surely been cut/added since then, so there's no telling where exactly it will appear in the final product.

[Rock Sexton]

But not the Thor spoiler Forum :P

.... and yet you still highlighted over the blackout haha ....

[Wolvieboy17]

No, I read your post through my email because it was directed at me, and it wasn't blacked out in that format, so i didnt really have a choice.

[WildcatNC]

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.



The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.



It could be related comments or it could not. Its an assumption either way.

It could be a joking jab at Ross. Then after the small talk he gets down to business about "the team".

It could be taken several ways. It could mean the team is being formed about the Hulk also. Hard to tell for sure until we get more info.

[Doctor Jones]

Just got done watching TIH on FX. (The last 30 minutes anyway.) Anybody who thinks Ang Lee's Hulk is better than TIH is just wrong. Fat and wrong. Fat. And. Wrong.

They're not wrong at all. As much as I enjoy watching TIH, Lee's Hulk really explored more than just a man who smashes things. I thought his father and past being the root of his anger worked very well. I love how psychological it was. It had more depth than TIH, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing to TIH. TIH had the right amount of everything. TIH is more in line with the comics, Lee took a risk. It may not have paid off, but I admire the hell out of him for attempting to make something more.

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

Hulk looking at his reflection in the water doesn't make him emo. Emo means emotional doesn't it? Doesn't Banner get emotional aka angry when he turns to Hulk? I would say Hulk gets pretty emotional when the military comes down on his ass.

And epople complain about Hulk being portrayed as just a brute who doesn't speak. Him looking at his refelction in the water speaks volumes towards who Hulk is. There is more to him. He has to be if he stops to do that or look at nature.

[spideyboy_1111]

What are you talking about? "I hear you have an unusual problem" and "We're putting together a team" are both things that Stark says to Ross. They happen in the same scene, in the same movie.

So again, unless you want to argue that those statements are completely unrelated despite occurring in the same conversation, then the Avengers are being formed to deal with the Hulk. Whether that means taking him down or bringing him in, I don't know, but it's irrelevant either way.



The opening credits in TIH happen five years before the rest of that movie. Since TIH (outside of the opening) happens concurrently with, or after, IM2, and IM2 happens 6 months after IM1, then Banner first transforms into the Hulk and goes on the run 4.5 years before IM1.

ok.... and? what we going to catalog the characters births too? Hell if thor or loki have flash back scenes of when they were younger we making thor first? I'm talking about the movies themselves... flashbacks do not count.

[Blader5489]

It could be related comments or it could not. Its an assumption either way.

It could be a joking jab at Ross. Then after the small talk he gets down to business about "the team".

It could be taken several ways. It could mean the team is being formed about the Hulk also. Hard to tell for sure until we get more info.

It can't be taken several ways, it's the only logical conclusion to derive from that conversation. Otherwise, if the Avengers being put together has nothing to do with the Hulk, why is Stark talking to Ross at all?

ok.... and? what we going to catalog the characters births too? Hell if thor or loki have flash back scenes of when they were younger we making thor first? I'm talking about the movies themselves... flashbacks do not count.

I'm just pointing out that the Hulk existed prior to IM1. So when Fury approaches Stark then about the Avengers, it makes sense that the Hulk is involved, even if that movie is set after IM.

[Spider-Vader]

I'd rather Emo Hulk over Zen Buddhist Hulk, at least the Emo will get angry :)
& then dance on the streets on NY in a cheesy dance sequence? :awesome:

[Wolvieboy17]

But at least his costume would be faithful to 616, right?

[BigThor]

& then dance on the streets on NY in a cheesy dance sequence? :awesome:

I'm one of the few people who don't really mind the "dance sequence" from Spider-Man 3.

[Mercurius]

You can't argue personal preference, but I will say I think you're in the minority here. TIH had better pacing, writing, acting, and CGI (IMO).

And if we're taking shots at emo Hulk face in TIH, shouldn't we also talk about emo Ang Hulk looking at his reflection in the water?

Don't get me wrong: I prefer the writing and the acting of TIH. I was ONLY addressing the making of Hulk himself in both movies.

TIH, for me, is bad CGI: too much detail destroys the natural feel one needs to get from CGI when it's mixed with real people.

And TIH had this excessively ripped Hulk, with an emo face: when I say emo I'm not saying sad, I'm saying he had his eyes underlined, and a much more human-like face, at times handsome in its context.

Ang Lee's was a neanderthal, properly. A beast, and that face reflected is almost stupid, more than sad. In the desert scenes, you feel his weight, and he blends perfectly with everything around.

I didn't feel like this in any scene in TIH.

But, of course, the writing was far better, and I do prefer Norton as Banner.

(On a side note: now Jennifer Connelly is difficult to beat. She's mesmerizing. Her character was poorly written comparing it with Liv Tyler's, but, even so, man, that woman is hypnotic! And Tyler is gorgeous. Connelly is something other). :woot:

[BigThor]

TIH's Hulk face looked fairly rough and rugged in my opinion, I don't know where this "emo" stuff comes from.

TIH's Hulk looked far more rugged than Ang Lee's Hulk imo, and I liked the "ripped/veiny" design and I hope it carriers over to The Avengers (as well as potential TIH sequels).

[Wolvieboy17]

Liv Tyler is one of the breathiest actors around.

Seriously though, I enjoyed things about both Hulks, I hate how us fanboys have to determine 'which is better' out of two or more things. I liked them both, for different reasons. Personally though, TIH to me felt like Marvel's Hulk, but I empathised more with Ang Lee's Hulk, but that's primarily because Ang Lee made his deliberately as a King Kong style monster movie. TIH was more about Banner.

[Dr Lee]

Seriously though, I enjoyed things about both Hulks, I hate how us fanboys have to determine 'which is better' out of two or more things. I liked them both, for different reasons. Personally though, TIH to me felt like Marvel's Hulk, but I empathised more with Ang Lee's Hulk, but that's primarily because Ang Lee made his deliberately as a King Kong style monster movie. TIH was more about Banner.

^^
This....

[dpm07]

TIH's Hulk face looked fairly rough and rugged in my opinion, I don't know where this "emo" stuff comes from.

TIH's Hulk looked far more rugged than Ang Lee's Hulk imo, and I liked the "ripped/veiny" design and I hope it carriers over to The Avengers (as well as potential TIH sequels).

:up:

[marcvader]

One thing I hated about TIH Hulk was that mottled skin tone. It always looked like he sloshed through mud or something. I'm cool with a darker green but that was just too much.

[Mercurius]

One thing I hated about TIH Hulk was that mottled skin tone. It always looked like he sloshed through mud or something. I'm cool with a darker green but that was just too much.

Yeah. That, as well.

[WildcatNC]

Liv Tyler is one of the breathiest actors around.

Seriously though, I enjoyed things about both Hulks, I hate how us fanboys have to determine 'which is better' out of two or more things. I liked them both, for different reasons. Personally though, TIH to me felt like Marvel's Hulk, but I empathised more with Ang Lee's Hulk, but that's primarily because Ang Lee made his deliberately as a King Kong style monster movie. TIH was more about Banner.


I agree with that.

While I didn't like Ang Lee's movie very much I can certainly find some things in it that I did like.

I agree about the "weight" issue. If you could have combined the emotional spectrum that the Hulk displays from both movies it would have been the perfect Hulk, from a character standpoint IMO. I also felt sympathy at times in TIH but it just wasn't done as well as in Lee's version.

Overall I prefer the raging Hulk to the moping one though, especially for the movies.

I hope they don't change him to much for Avengers though. I don't want an entirely different design in the same continuity.

[Spider-Vader]

I'm one of the few people who don't really mind the "dance sequence" from Spider-Man 3.
I thought the dance scene with Harry & MJ was much more stupid than the Peter emo dance.

[Whiskey Tango]

Pete's strut through NYC was friggin hilarious, and I say that with zero sarcasm. I love that scene.

[Iceman]

TIH Hulk is beautiful to look at! As are Thor & Iron Man in full battle armour. Once Cap gets his wings for Avengers we're gonna have a great looking set of heroes!

[Doctor Jones]

Which reminds me, how different do you think Cap's costume is going to be for Avengers? I imagine it will be more modern looking, but where will Whedon go with it? Will he include wings? We know how much of a comic book geek he is.

Just picture it, if there aren't wings on Cap, people will call him a sell out.

[Blackman]

Im in the minority but I always liked this one.
http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/Fannboi/Marvel/2dj8fmr.jpg

wouldnt mind something like this too
http://i53.tinypic.com/219ngk0.jpg

[Majik1387]

The wings are included already; don't see them removing them.

[Iceman]

I mean actually physically included rather than painted on his helmet.

[Majik1387]

Does it really matter?

[Sawyer]

Does it really matter?

Does anything we talk about on the hype ad nauseum really matter?

[Majik1387]

Yes! :cmad:

[Mercurius]

Does it really matter?

Yes, it does.

I mean, of course his head as it is might appeal to those who are into ballistics.

Or maybe it is easier to make a Captain America ice-cream with the present design (that's a good idea, marketing dep.).

But otherwise, it sorta makes a difference, yes.

[Morg]

http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-avengers-moves-to-cleveland

That's in my neighborhood :D

[Iceman]

Does it really matter?To me, a lot! Equal with his shield & the rest of the costume in terms of me identifying with the iconic look of his character (I'm talking in modern day Avengers, it's fine for Cap). Otherwise he'll probably be a great Cap, but I'll I recognise him slightly less.

I'm sure there's different small things like this that are a big deal to you but not for others. I mean if all the characters are dead on..perfectly written/acted/choreographed/FXed, does it matter if the Hulk is blue/(pink), the Iron Man armour black/(pink), Black Widow blonde/(naked) & if Thor uses an axe/(wand) instead of his hammer? (:woot:)

[JAK®]

I'll never understand how people are baffled that there are fans who wish to see their favourite characters accurately recreated from the comics.

[Majik1387]

I'll never understand how people are baffled that there are fans who see their favorite characters in quality adapted costumes from the comics.

[TikkiEXX]

Pete's strut through NYC was friggin hilarious, and I say that with zero sarcasm. I love that scene.
man i was um, under the influence the first time i saw that movie and i remember askin my buddy if that scene was supposed to be a dream sequence or something. lol. then i laughed my ass off. haha. i also thought the bar scene when he domestically abused Mary Jane was also hilarious.

[BigThor]

Pete's strut through NYC was friggin hilarious, and I say that with zero sarcasm. I love that scene.

I feel the same way Whiskey :woot:

[JAK®]

I'll never understand how people are baffled that there are fans who see their favorite characters in quality adapted costumes from the comics.
Brilliant retort. Has nothing to do with what I said or my overall point, but brilliant retort.

[Mercurius]

The operative word of it being "quality", which is disputable.

If it is a kind of complimentary nod to the its taylor's abilities, that's fine, otherwise "quality" is a bit of a stretch, considering from what it came from, and the dubious result it represents.

[The Cocreator]

I thought the dance scene with Harry & MJ was much more stupid than the Peter emo dance.
quite frankly the harry and MJ scenne made more sence than peter's dancing scenne.

[Spider-Vader]

Doesn't stop the scene from being full of cheese, now does it?

[Wolvieboy17]

Jesus, this isn't even the Cap thread. Everywhere i go people are still complaining about the Cap costume. That horse is not only dead but all the flesh has been flayed from it's bones and the bones have been burnt, there's nothing left people!

[Blackman]

there were like 4 comments on the Cap costume, 2 of them were negative. The last one was a day ago

REally easy to avoid if you wanted to

[Wolvieboy17]

Well the last three threads I checked were all dissing the movie costume, none of them were actually the costume thread and i'm pretty sure Mercurius was involved in everyone.

We've got the film costume, we know some people like it and some people don't. Do we need to keep going on about it? It's been around for long enough that everyone who was on the fence has pretty much made up their mind, nothing can possibly be achieved with the constant back and forth.

And yes, it is really easy to avoid, I just turn my computer off. But perhaps I don't want to do that, nor should I have to...

[Blackman]

You dont have to turn off your computer. You couldve avoided it by just not reading the comments about the costume in this thread. As I said it was only 4 posts

Idk I dont really see people talking about it that much except for in the costume thread. Dont really see the big deal about it

[Wolvieboy17]

Well you're very lucky...

Also, it's very hard to not read a post when, before reading it, you don't actually know what it's about. It's like a sign saying "do not read this sign".

[Rock Sexton]

Jesus, this isn't even the Cap thread. Everywhere i go people are still complaining about the Cap costume. That horse is not only dead but all the flesh has been flayed from it's bones and the bones have been burnt, there's nothing left people!

We haven't even seen the movie yet .... nor have we even seen a full length trailer. There's plenty more to discuss about the costume, specifically when we really see it in action.

Look man, I know I get tired of watching what I perceive to be blind allegiance to a lot of things about these movies, but it's inevitable. However, I would never insist people stop posting about what they think. I just skip over their comments. Been the easiest thing ever to do.

[WildcatNC]

I see the "Cap costume sucks balls" posts have made their way back in here.


Anyone think the "Coulson as a Skrull" thing might have some legs? He would be one of the more logical choices, or could it be Hill?

Has anyone considered they might use a Skrull imposter as a reason for the change in Banners? I have no idea, just throwing that out there. I don't really like that but who knows.

[Spideyfan93]

That would be an amazing twist if Coulson was a Skrull the whole time to examine everything going on in Nick Fury's mission to gather the Avengers.

It'd be so weird to watch Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor though knowing Coulson was really an evil alien creature. He's just so awesome and nice in Iron Man and Iron Man 2.

[Blackman]

I hope Coulson doesnt end up being a skrull

[Whiskey Tango]

No way. Coulson eats Skrulls for breakfast.

[JeetKuneDo]

Don't get me wrong: I prefer the writing and the acting of TIH. I was ONLY addressing the making of Hulk himself in both movies.

TIH, for me, is bad CGI: too much detail destroys the natural feel one needs to get from CGI when it's mixed with real people.

And TIH had this excessively ripped Hulk, with an emo face: when I say emo I'm not saying sad, I'm saying he had his eyes underlined, and a much more human-like face, at times handsome in its context.

Ang Lee's was a neanderthal, properly. A beast, and that face reflected is almost stupid, more than sad. In the desert scenes, you feel his weight, and he blends perfectly with everything around.

I didn't feel like this in any scene in TIH.

But, of course, the writing was far better, and I do prefer Norton as Banner.

(On a side note: now Jennifer Connelly is difficult to beat. She's mesmerizing. Her character was poorly written comparing it with Liv Tyler's, but, even so, man, that woman is hypnotic! And Tyler is gorgeous. Connelly is something other). :woot:
I too liked the look of Ang Lee's Hulk more. Not counting the ridiculous size of him.

Not a fan of the steroid look.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/kmgroover/asianbodybuilders.jpg

It makes him tougher to buy as a character that can have emotions other than "rage".

[Crimson King]

I like the idea of Coulson being a Skrull. It ties the movies together well and puts a face to a species the GA probably doesn't know much about.

[Rock Sexton]

Surprised we haven't seen any concept artwork yet .....

[Doctor Jones]

I hope the security for filming isn't too much. I want to see some set pics. We probably will though. As they wiould be filming in the open at times.

[Chewy]

Yeah they'll be filming on the streets of Cleveland so we should get some set photos. The think I want to see the most at this point is Hawkeye's costume. And the helicarrier.

[marcvader]

Do we have a start date?

[The Infernal]

Surprised we haven't seen any concept artwork yet .....

Your comment just made me think that if they are filming later this year then it's possible they have finalised the designs and could possibly had suit fittings already. Though that doesn't guarantee us getting a concept leak.

[Blader5489]

Do we have a start date?

It starts filming in New Mexico next month.

[WillardNation]

I'm gonna do everything in my power to get on for stunts.

[BigThor]

Jesus, this isn't even the Cap thread. Everywhere i go people are still complaining about the Cap costume. That horse is not only dead but all the flesh has been flayed from it's bones and the bones have been burnt, there's nothing left people!

I agree with you, those "Cap costume" complaints got old very quickly.

[WildcatNC]

I agree with you, those "Cap costume" complaints got old very quickly.

I say we put scale mail swastika patterns on caps upper suit and put 3D Nazi eagle wings on his helmet.

Make everyone who's complaining happy all at once. :woot:

[returntovoid]

Hugo Weaving is very convincing as Red Skull. :wow:

[louiebling$]

NO more Cross Overs after The Avengers?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48768

[spideyboy_1111]

NO more Cross Overs after The Avengers?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48768

i wouldn't read much into that... there will be Avenger's sequels, and some characters are sorta destined to cross over... but they all still need there individual stories. Though, the part that bugs me most is where Black says "Ironman will battle real world villains" ... he needs his 3rd (And maybe last solo film) to include Mandarin.......

[louiebling$]

i wouldn't read much into that... there will be Avenger's sequels, and some characters are sorta destined to cross over... but they all still need there individual stories. Though, the part that bugs me most is where Black says "Ironman will battle real world villains" ... he needs his 3rd (And maybe last solo film) to include Mandarin.......
Did Black Possibly give away the villians of The Avengers? Wouldn't Loki not be a Real World Villian? Same goes for the Skrulls? Or Perhaps I'm tired and just reading too much into it :p

[spideyboy_1111]

Did Black Possibly give away the villians of The Avengers? Wouldn't Loki not be a Real World Villian? Same goes for the Skrulls? Or Perhaps I'm tired and just reading too much into it :p

no, he was just referring to them being more "world threat" i think... and continuing on just stating how it wouldn't be an "armored" villain this time... and more of a political drama.

imo... they really need to go with Mandarin still... and the best way to do him is either aquire his abilities from modern tech fused with "alien" tech (skrulls?) or magic from asgard.... keep him more of a political "nolan-esque" character... and basically threaten tony at his core. Madame Masque would be a nice addition too... she'd shake up the Tony/Pepper romance

[marcvader]

It starts filming in New Mexico next month.

I know it starts next month. Do we have a date?