Official UFC Thread

[E-Man]

With fighter pay I always tried to stay out of it because you never know what these guys make. I remember Mir's manager saying that he got paid pretty well with some bonuses or incentives in his contract besides winning bonuses and fight/sub/KO bonuses. Then there was that whole contract dispute with Randy where they released his pay and it showed he got paid over a million dollars in his fight with Sylvia. Then there are the sponsors and things. so I really don't get much worked up over pay unless it's something crazy like a guy not getting paid what he was promised.

[Bubonic]

I was forgetting sponsorship, even Mark Hominick is sponsored by a football team so I guess that helps out a lot.

[DoomsdayApex]

It's the closest thing to hand-to-hand combat without weapons and sudden death attached Bubonic.

At the end of the day, combat is messy and gritty. In a scenario involving two combatants, the chances of the fight heading to the ground is well above 80%.

[Bubonic]

It's the closest thing to hand-to-hand combat without weapons and sudden death attached Bubonic.

At the end of the day, combat is messy and gritty. In a scenario involving two combatants, the chances of the fight heading to the ground is well above 80%.

Real fight goes down like this, slam in the throat, push kick to inside of knee, trip if needed, jumping up and down on head, getting the **** out of there.

Don't forget the eye gouging, nut ripping and biting off fingers, ears, nose and into the throat.

You'd of course draw the line at all the fun stuff, honestly though advocating soccer kicks isn't much better than some of the stuff I've posted. That stuff should be reserved for life or death situations, not in competitive sports.

ebGspy3Yv0g

[DoomsdayApex]

Real fight goes down like this, slam in the throat, push kick to inside of knee, trip if needed, jumping up and down on head, getting the **** out of there.

Don't forget the eye gouging, nut ripping and biting off fingers, ears, nose and into the throat.

You'd of course draw the line at all the fun stuff, honestly though advocating soccer kicks isn't much better than some of the stuff I've posted. That stuff should be reserved for life or death situations, not in competitive sports.

ebGspy3Yv0g


Jeepers, I would never do any of that :cwink:

In every fight I have ever participated in, I have never really gone that far with anyone. I prefer to go for a Judo Ippon/throw and then go for a submission. If I were to ever be dragged into a stand up fest, I'd probably use my Kali/Silat, but thankfully I have not.

However, I still don't see myself curve-stomping anybody in a real situation.

[LOBO3315a]

Real fight goes down like this, slam in the throat, push kick to inside of knee, trip if needed, jumping up and down on head, getting the **** out of there.

Don't forget the eye gouging, nut ripping and biting off fingers, ears, nose and into the throat.

You'd of course draw the line at all the fun stuff, honestly though advocating soccer kicks isn't much better than some of the stuff I've posted. That stuff should be reserved for life or death situations, not in competitive sports.

ebGspy3Yv0g

Yeah, nothing says "I love you" like a quick jab to the Adam's Apple. You can be 6'2 and 220lbs, but if you get jabbed in the throat, you are going down.

[Bubonic]

Something to remember about a street fight is you'll want to stay on your feet, you never know who else is there to back the guy up who started a fight with you.

Get fancy and try for an armbar in the middle of the street and someone might just tap dance on your face.

[DaveMoral]

I'm for stomps, not so much to the head, but if a fighter could stomp a dude's midsection it would really even things out and destroy guys like Werdum.

[DoomsdayApex]

It's a risk I've taken numerous times when I attended High School and worked as a bouncer several years ago.

Usually a throw onto tile or concrete, if preformed and executed properly, will keep someone down (more shock than pain really). From there I just go for a wristlock or a Kimura (both in the kneeling position), I got a crushing grip so nobody is going anywhere.

I know better than to go for a Triangle Choke or an Armbar in a street fight. I've seen way too many street fights in my day.

[JKDilla]

I remember years ago I was at Rain in The Palms... 2 guys got into it and one of the idiots pulled guard... the security was on top of the those 2 IMMEDIATELY. there wasn't even time for the guy on top to throw a punch. It's not quite a street fight but a stupid move nonetheless.

The 12 to 6 elbow isn't enforced properly. The refs let fighters use it when lying flat on the ground... the example that pops immediately in my head is when Anderson Silva beat Travis Lutter. Silva was on his back and had a triangle locked on Lutter and was dropping 12 to 6 elbows on the top of Lutter's head, but since they weren't coming from the ceiling to the ground Herb Dean let him do it.

[mrvlknight21]

Something to remember about a street fight is you'll want to stay on your feet, you never know who else is there to back the guy up who started a fight with you.

Get fancy and try for an armbar in the middle of the street and someone might just tap dance on your face.

Which is exactly why a lot of people argue that BJJ isnt the best idea for a true streetfight. My Sifu says this a lot during classes.

[mrvlknight21]

Well nobody has responded about this weekend's UFC.

In the main fights these are my picks. I like this card, I hope it turns out as good as I think it will, because Im paying for this one!


Faber by decision over Cruz

Bader over Ortiz....I think he will finish Ortiz, but Im not sure his hands are good enough for a KO...we will see.

Leben over Silva, by KO (at least I hope so).

[DoomsdayApex]

Meh... I'm not really feeling this card.

I could care less about Faber, Leben, Bader, and Ortiz.

My picks are Cruz, Silva, Condit, Siver, Sotiropoulos, and Njokuani.

[B]

Something to remember about a street fight is you'll want to stay on your feet, you never know who else is there to back the guy up who started a fight with you.

Get fancy and try for an armbar in the middle of the street and someone might just tap dance on your face.

I've seen a ton of fights outside clubs & whatnot after people have had one too many & I've never seen someone be KO'd with a punch or dropped with a punch followed by a barrage of stomps/kicks.

They all end up in a scuffling/grappling contest that usually results on them both hitting the deck. Knowing how to do a 'fancy' sweep to get a guy off you would be quite a good thing to know if he is raining down knuckles on your face.. :D

[E-Man]

Cruz/Faber 2 is going to be an excellent fight. I could watch Cruz fight all day long. His style is amazingly spectacular. Leben vs. Wand should be good too. Both guys go after it no matter what. The only thing that could hold this back is an injury or something. I can see Wand's speed getting the better of Leben, but Wand could get caught by Leben's zombie walk and power too.

I've been a big Tito fan since 2003. The guy will always be one of my MMA favorites, but it's past time to hang it up. I hope he pulls something out of his ass against Bader, but I highly doubt it. He doesn't have much left while Bader is young and strong.

Oh yeah, Condit vs. DHK should be great too. Still can't put my finger on who to pick. Condit's weakness play into DHK's strengths, but Condit can really scramble and put in work to get the win from multiple places.

[Bubonic]

Great fight between Hogun and Walker hope you guys are watching it on facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/UFC?sk=app_116056818485426

[Bubonic]

Njokuani is a beast!
Winner sure has a lot of heart though.

Surprised there wasn't a finish in this.

[B]

Wow.. nice TKO win for Carlos Condit.

Good to see a fighter not afraid to take some risks.

[El Bastardo]

OMFG, Tito!

[Paroxysm]

OMFG, Tito!

This is why I don't place bets on anything. lol

Seriously though, what a win. He put EVERYTHING he had into that guillotine.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Good for Tito!

[*Whiplash*]

Tito has the best celebration ever!

[Paroxysm]

Leben just destroyed Wandy. lol

[El Bastardo]

This is why I don't place bets on anything. lol

Seriously though, what a win. He put EVERYTHING he had into that guillotine.
Yeah he did. Looked like he was on Mars in Total Recall. :woot:

[Mace Bloodstone]

Good and close Cruz - Faber fight. Lots of energy in that fight!

[mrvlknight21]

One of the best UFC events I have seen in a while.

The prelims were really good.

Tito surprised me (and most) with his quick choke out of Bader.
Leben did what I expected, glad for his win.
Faber-Cruz fight was good. I was pulling for Faber, but he never could get anything.


How about that TERRIBLE decision in the Wiman fight?? Wow.

[B]

Really great card last night, couldn't pick a bad fight amongst the lot of them. Even the 2 decision fights from the main card were good scraps.

:up:

[Paroxysm]

Yeah it was a solid card all around.

Melvin Guillard really impressed me with his performance, best part of his fight with Roller was when he showed great composure by waiting for Roller to get up to the legal position before crushing him with his knee. So awesome.

[Paroxysm]

How about that TERRIBLE decision in the Wiman fight?? Wow.

it wasn't TERRIBLE.



Siver clearly won round 1
Winman clearly won round 2
Siver edged out Winman in round 3

Right decision, could only have been a draw otherwise.

[E-Man]

Tito! Tito! Tito!

[misjuevos]

it's good tito got to keep his job, but to be honest i was never a fan of him. back when he was "the man" i was bored with his style. then i saw my first pride show the card had wand vs guy mezger. he gave him an illegal head butt then ko'd him. i would watch the ufc, but couldn't wait for the pride events. and yes seeing wand ko'd was really a sad day yesterday.

[B]

it wasn't TERRIBLE.



Siver clearly won round 1
Winman clearly won round 2
Siver edged out Winman in round 3

Right decision, could only have been a draw otherwise.

I personally thought Siver won the fight before I'd even heard the decision, it was a close fight but I thought he'd just did enough.

[misjuevos]

chael sonnen interview from a few days ago, if you haven't seen it already. talks marquardt, wand vs leben, as well as other things.

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then chael post fight at wand vs leben.
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charles oliveira to face donald cerrone at ufc on versus 5 on August 14 (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/07/charles-oliveira-to-face-donald-cerrone-at-ufc-on-versus-5/)

im excited about the oliveira fight.

big nog comments on dana white (http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/336640/Big-Nog-Dana-isnt-God/) retiring fighters.

[E-Man]

Olivera/Cerrone is going to get Fight of the Night. It's probably going to the ground, and both guys are very active when fights go to the ground. I think this will look like Sanchez/Diaz and Stevenson/Sotiropoulos.

[Lots o lafs]

tito?

[E-Man]

So apparently Phil Davis got injured, and now he is out of UFC 133 against Rashad. Machida and Tito were offered the fight and declined. Most others are booked, so it's sort of a mess because we're only 3 weeks out from the fight. I saw either move Franklin or Lil Nog into the main event with Rashad or give Rashad anyone willing to fight on such short notice. It sucks for Phil getting injured. I hope he recovers with all his athleticism intact.

Edit: Link
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Machida-Declines-Evans-For-UFC-133-Wife-Says-Itd-Be-Silliness-33932

[Norman Osborn]

Actually Tito/Evans 2 is officially on


https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite (https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite)

[El Bastardo]

And it looks like I'll be cheering for Tito whole-heartedly this time.

[Paroxysm]

Actually Tito/Evans 2 is officially on


https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite (https://twitter.com/#!/danawhite)

Dana White Says Machida initially took the fight with Rashad but then demanded "Anderson Silva" money, the bout ended up being accepted by Tito Ortiz. :hehe:

[Lots o lafs]

damn if tito wins, this would feel like the twilight zone.

[E-Man]

I'm a big fan of both, Tito and Rashad. I think it will be better than their first fight since Rashad won't be "starstruck" and Tito is reinvigorated now. I think Rashad takes it though.

[CrypticOne]

I hope Evans knocks Ortiz. Should be a good fight though.

[Paroxysm]

I'm a big fan of both, Tito and Rashad. I think it will be better than their first fight since Rashad won't be "starstruck" and Tito is reinvigorated now. I think Rashad takes it though.

I've never really been a Tito fan but I'll be rooting for him because I love seeing guys make comebacks.

[E-Man]

If Tito makes a big comeback I'm happy because too many people discounted what he did as the champ because of what Chuck and Dana said. The guy beat some legit guys back in his heyday, yet people gloss over that to focus on his losses to Chuck and his down years since 2006. The guy was very good when he was on top, and probably the best ground and pound guy because of his good BJJ.

[TheVileOne]

I have an even lower opinion of Machida now after his management tried to shakedown the UFC for this Evans fight. Even lower of him than after the Shogun fiasco.

[Paroxysm]

Machida: "But, after meeting with my team, we saw that it wouldn’t be a good idea, especially because Dana White wanted me to travel to the U.S. immediately to have my training camp there. Many of the members of my corner don’t have visas right now. Then, I said, ‘If you want me to fight, pay me as a champion. Pay me like you pay Anderson Silva."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/14/2276106/lyoto-machida-confirms-that-he-did-ask-for-anderson-silva-money

Jesus, you'd think by now his corner guys would have their visa's in order. I guess not.

[E-Man]

I can see why Machida wanted more money. It's a fight against an elite LHW on 3 week's notice, and regardless of the fact that he owned Rashad before it's still a risk going into a fight like that. Of course I don't know how much Anderson actually makes, so I don't know if it's outrageous for him to ask for that money or if Dana is just being...well Dana. The only issue for me is that they accepted the fight and then reneged on it after wanting more money. They should have just told Dana that he'll think about it before accepting and then holding out for more money.

[brainchild81]

He's not A.Silva. He should STFU

[Paroxysm]

Matt Mitrione vs. Cheick Kongo on Tap for UFC 137

[B]

Well done Dana White :up:

Lyoto Machida doesn't deserve Anderson Silva money, maybe if he puts on an entertaining fight for once he could ask for big money.

Every matchup Machida has fought in, his point scoring/no risks type style has killed the matchup.. except the 2 Shogun fights in which that style got him an ass whooping.. twice.

I actually think Tito is a tougher fight for Rashad than Davis was. Alot was made about Tito's winless streak in the UFC until he beat Bader, but in truth none of those loses were definitive ass kickings, they were all close.. and to some of the divisions top guys. The one bad one which I think made everyone think Tito was done, was the Hamill lose.. however by then beating Bader whos only other lose was to the current champion he has revived himself.

Tito's in a very confident spot right now with the win over Bader & I'm sure the fact that hes mentally confident that he beat Rashad the last time they fought, which technically he would have had he not been deducted a point for cage holding.. well this could be a dangerous fight for Rashad & a great time for Tito to fight him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tito managed to beat Rashad, Rashad's hands are fast, but Tito's chin is solid. Rashad's chin is made of glass & if he gets caught, Tito's ground & pound is/was fierce.

Looking forward to this event a little more now.

[Paroxysm]

UFC Champion Jon Jones Won't Autograph Your Replica Belt (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/15/2277363/ufc-champion-jon-jones-title-belt)

Josh Zerkle asked Jon what the one thing he would change about the sport is and he gave one of the most obnoxious and self-important answers possible: JONES: It's a silly one. I would get rid of the replica belts.

Like the ones they sell at the events?


JONES: Yeah. I hate it when people come up to me with a belt that looks exactly like mine and they ask me to sign it. I worked three times a day for three years to get this [light heavyweight championship] belt, and now this guy asking me for an autograph has one just like it. Are you serious? I mean it's not as heavy, but it looks just the same.

I like that. I don't think it's silly at all.


JONES: I never sign those belts.
Unless a fan is walking up to Jon and claiming that he also "earned" his replica belt, it's such an extremely petty thing for a fighter to care about.

For a sport where everyone takes such pride in the accessibility of its athletes, this is an answer that is below what I'd expect from event he most jaded of "mainstream" sports stars.

I don't recall ever hearing an established NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. star refuse to sign a jersey because they'd worked since they were little kids to play ball at the highest level. They touch in the interview a little on the fact that there's no merchandising rights for the fighters, but for Jones to act like a fan wanting his autograph on a piece of memorabilia should suffer because MMA agents have never had the strength (or ability) to better pursue the merchandising and licensing issue is a rather weak move on his part.


I don't even know what to say.......

[B]

What a fool..

I really, really hope Rampage can knock Jon Jones out & knock him back into the real world. Hes a fighter I want to like badly but I just can't get past the fact that he seems like a right tool..

[Bubonic]

I don't see what is so wrong with what he said.
It isn't the same as a football jersey.

All that distinguishes a jersey is the name and the number and every player gets one.
I doubt he minds signing mma shorts similar to his.

UFC belts are hard won and sought after, much blood sweat and tears go into acquiring one and it should be something special and not run of the mill merchandise.

Fans are such fickle ****s, always turning on fighters at the drop of the dime.

[E-Man]

A replica belt us basically a toy. It's not as serious as Jones is saying. I'm still a fan, but he's being very arrogant here.

[El Bastardo]

Replica belts are stupid. He's making a bigger deal out of them than he should, but I can't seem to care. The personal views and/or feelings of fighters really have nothing to do with whether I like them as fighters or not.

[TheVileOne]

I see a lot of kids who have their own mini-replica belts. He seriously wouldn't sign one at at autograph session?

They are just a fun souvenir if you can afford it, what is the big deal? Jones ego is a little out of control.

[Bubonic]

You've got to have a pretty big ego to be a world class fighter.
He sounded like he meant replicas that are almost spot on, not mini kid ones.

[El Bastardo]

Spoons has a full wall of WWE replica belts.

True story.

[misjuevos]

it's a shame the ufc was/is trying so hard to build up jones name to the outside world. now lets see if they have to do some damage control for him, lol. was this more jokingly said by jones or was he really serious about it? it could just be a joke that went over the interviewers head. either way i wasn't a fan of him nor did i hate him, i just never thought of him really. i am just indifferent towards him.

[ShrinkingMan]

Jon Jones acts like such a prom queen. He's an excellent fighter. Then he does stuff like stop car thefts. Next thing he's ducking Rashad and now he says stuff like this. He seems so fake.

[B]

I don't see what is so wrong with what he said.
It isn't the same as a football jersey.

All that distinguishes a jersey is the name and the number and every player gets one.
I doubt he minds signing mma shorts similar to his.

UFC belts are hard won and sought after, much blood sweat and tears go into acquiring one and it should be something special and not run of the mill merchandise.

Fans are such fickle ****s, always turning on fighters at the drop of the dime.

No, it's exactly the same as a football, basketball, baseball, gridiron, rugby jersey. Some people spend their whole life working towards just even putting on a particular teams first team jersey.. certainly just as hard, or in some cases even harder than fighters would work to win a particular belt.

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of an athelete that has refused to sign a fans replica jersey (or form of mercendise) on the basis that the fan didn't earn their jersey or piece of official equipment.. It's an incredibly arrogant comment, something that Jones is getting abit of a reputation for.

A good & devastating knockout, submission or decision lose will teach him some humility.. it's something hes gonna need to get him an all round fanbase & not just a fighting one.

[TheVileOne]

You've got to have a pretty big ego to be a world class fighter.
He sounded like he meant replicas that are almost spot on, not mini kid ones.
The people who make the replica belts also make junior sized ones for kids as well because kids also like them. And they are pretty spot on.

[Bubonic]

No, it's exactly the same as a football, basketball, baseball, gridiron, rugby jersey. Some people spend their whole life working towards just even putting on a particular teams first team jersey.. certainly just as hard, or in some cases even harder than fighters would work to win a particular belt.

I understand what you're saying and I think I know where you're coming from but you're still wrong in your assessment that it is exactly the same.

It is more akin to a SuperBowl, Stanley Cup or Olympic gold medal.

Fighters spend their whole fighting careers trying to get into the UFC, much the same as a football player will strive to get into a particular team or get drafted somewhere in the NFL.

From there the goal is reaching that pinnacle of greatness. So the jersey is a big deal, it's the foot in the door, but a lot make it into the big leagues and can't make anything happen of it, that is when the real challenges begin.

So it's two different beast.

[Paroxysm]

They way I see it is like this; Jon Jones was handed a title shot, it was even a shock to him when it was announced. Maybe that's why it bugs him seeing people walking around with "belts they didn't earn", maybe he feel like he truly hasn't earned his?

[ShrinkingMan]

it's a replica. he knows that, the fans know that. this isn't showing his principles, it's shows his lack of humility. This isn't even a fun type of arrogance to watch, like it's fun to boo Sonnen or Mayweather. I could go on with everything I don't like about this guy... but i gotta admit he's fun to watch.

[Bubonic]

It's all happening very fast for him, such a young talented guy.
Of course some humble pie is good for any fighter's evolution.

[Paroxysm]

http://withfriendship.com/images/g/34303/bring-down-gsp-again-soon.jpg

"Je signerai votre ceinture"

[B]

I understand what you're saying and I think I know where you're coming from but you're still wrong in your assessment that it is exactly the same.

It is more akin to a SuperBowl, Stanley Cup or Olympic gold medal.

Fighters spend their whole fighting careers trying to get into the UFC, much the same as a football player will strive to get into a particular team or get drafted somewhere in the NFL.

From there the goal is reaching that pinnacle of greatness. So the jersey is a big deal, it's the foot in the door, but a lot make it into the big leagues and can't make anything happen of it, that is when the real challenges begin.

So it's two different beast.

Not in my eyes it isn't.

For example, most people don't grow up thinking I want to be a FIFA World Cup winner. They grow up thinking & dreaming about putting on the jersey of their national team alone which in itself is an amazing achievement, nevermind any actual glory that would come along with doing so like winning a FIFA World Cup or whatever. Would it then not be arrogant of a particular international team member to then refuse to sign any fans that come up to him/her to sign their replica jersey, tracksuit top or whatever on the basis that they've not earned the right to wear said piece of replica equipment..?

It's exactly the same situation in my eyes, people work their whole lives to just put on a particular teams jersey alone, anything that comes after is no more relivent than the hardships & effort put into getting to wear the jersey of their favourite team, national team etc.

As well, I can't imagine a fighter would grow up dreaming of ONLY fighting for the UFC.. They'd grow up dreaming & wanting to be the greatest, a title holder, pound for pound king. They wouldn't dream of fighting for an MMA promotion.. if they are, they are destined for failure if their goal is to only fight for a particular promotion.

[Bubonic]

http://withfriendship.com/images/g/34303/bring-down-gsp-again-soon.jpg

"Je signerai votre ceinture"

J'avoue, :woot:.

Not in my eyes it isn't.

For example, most people don't grow up thinking I want to be a FIFA World Cup winner. They grow up thinking & dreaming about putting on the jersey of their national team alone which in itself is an amazing achievement, nevermind any actual glory that would come along with doing so like winning a FIFA World Cup or whatever. Would it then not be arrogant of a particular international team member to then refuse to sign any fans that come up to him/her to sign their replica jersey, tracksuit top or whatever on the basis that they've not earned the right to wear said piece of replica equipment..?

It's exactly the same situation in my eyes, people work their whole lives to just put on a particular teams jersey alone, anything that comes after is no more relivent than the hardships & effort put into getting to wear the jersey of their favourite team, national team etc.

As well, I can't imagine a fighter would grow up dreaming of ONLY fighting for the UFC.. They'd grow up dreaming & wanting to be the greatest, a title holder, pound for pound king. They wouldn't dream of fighting for an MMA promotion.. if they are, they are destined for failure if their goal is to only fight for a particular promotion.

UFC is monopolizing bigtime, they've always aimed to be what the NFL is to football, what the NHL is to hockey, et cetera.

Why would you be destined to fail for striving to be in the most competitive promotion? When you decide to make any sport your life you're striving to be the best there is, compete against the best, obviously there is a progressions to make, you don't get out of the dojo and try your hand at the toughest promotion.

And yes, I understand when you're training, especially to be part of a team sport your goal isn't necessarily to be part of the winning team, it might be to represent your country or your state.

MMA is a very individualistic sport, there is a team aspect to it, you represent the ones that craft you, you better yourself and your teammates through constant work and dedication to your art, but at the end of the day you're basically doing it for yourself, you want that belt, you want that recognition, you want to be the best there is.

Sure there are a lot of fighters that fight because they love to fight, but most aren't settling on being stepping stones for other fighters.

I'll concede that Jon Jones was a bit of a prick and being difficult but my opinion on the matter is that you don't know what you're talking about.

[Paroxysm]

MMA is a very individualistic sport, there is a team aspect to it, you represent the ones that craft you, you better yourself and your teammates through constant work and dedication to your art, but at the end of the day you're basically doing it for yourself, you want that belt, you want that recognition, you want to be the best there is.


I'd save my "secret moves" for the cage. :woot:

[Bubonic]

For sure, if you've got hold of an amazing and unpredictable technique you'll basically have one shot at it before it goes mainstream.
Wow them with it then teach your teammates.

[DoomsdayApex]

Jon Jones = Arrogant Tool

Never liked him as a person (great fighter), I really hope Jackson knocks him out... unlikely but here's hoping.

[B]

Why would you be destined to fail for striving to be in the most competitive promotion? When you decide to make any sport your life you're striving to be the best there is, compete against the best, obviously there is a progressions to make, you don't get out of the dojo and try your hand at the toughest promotion.

Perhaps 'destined for failure' would be too strong a term, but in a sport like MMA your dreams should be on being a champion, the undisputed champion, pound for pound king or something along those lines.. It shouldn't be that you merely want to fight in the same organisation as the best fighters in the world. It somewhat suggests that your dream was only to set foot in the cage with someone like Anderson Silva & not actually take his belt.. at least that's what I think that sort of comment would suggest.

And yes, I understand when you're training, especially to be part of a team sport your goal isn't necessarily to be part of the winning team, it might be to represent your country or your state.

The team sport aspect is irrelevant. Your dream would be to wear the shirt of your favourite team, your home nation or whatever in the same way Jon Jones dream was to wear a UFC title.

I appreciate what your saying, I just think you are wrong.

At the end of the day Jon Jones said that he wouldn't sign one of those replica belts because the fan in question asking for the signature hadn't earned the belt, this would be no different from say Reggie Bush refusing to sign Saints jersey because the fan hadn't earned the right to be wearing it.

I'll concede that Jon Jones was a bit of a prick and being difficult but my opinion on the matter is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Well ironically, I wouldn't be that much of a prick to say this to you as we all are entitled to our opinions.

[Colossal Spoons]

Spoons has a full wall of WWE replica belts.

True story.

Ha, I don't have $300 to waste

[Colossal Spoons]

Overeem Pulled from Strikeforce Heavyweight GP (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Overeem-Pulled-from-Strikeforce-Heavyweight-GP-34054)

In a surprising turn of events, Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem has been removed from the promotion’s 2011 heavyweight grand prix.

Brazilian website Tatame.com broke the news Monday, only hours after Overeem made strong remarks regarding his rumored Sept. 10 semifinal matchup against Antonio Silva.

“That is not going to take place,” Overeem stated in a Monday interview with MMAFighting.com. “What’s going to happen next, I don’t know. I’ve had some threats of cutting me out of the tournament if I don’t participate. I don’t know if they’re going to do it. Personally, I don’t like to be threatened.”

Overeem went on to state that he felt the September date was too soon for him to return, and that he needed time to rest and heal after his June 18 quarterfinal decision win over Fabricio Werdum. The 31-year-old Dutchman’s words apparently did not sit well with the brass at Strikeforce and parent company Zuffa, LLC, who on Monday swapped out Overeem for unbeaten up-and-comer Daniel Cormier.

Sherdog.com has confirmed with Silva’s manager, Alex Davis, that his client will no longer fight Overeem.

“Unfortunately, it’s true,” Davis told Sherdog.com. “Overeem decided not to fight. We don’t know why, but Antonio is pretty much disappointed. ... I can’t confirm who will replace Overeem, but I can guarantee Antonio will be ready. He just arrived in Rio de Janeiro to train with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and his team for the upcoming fight.”

Silva, 31, currently rides a three-fight win streak in the Strikeforce cage. In February, the Brazilian “Bigfoot” stunned former Pride Fighting Championships heavyweight ruler Fedor Emelianenko, battering the Russian great to force a medical stoppage after two rounds.

A former U.S. Olympic wrestling team captain, 32-year-old Cormier has turned away all comers since beginning his MMA career in 2009. The American Kickboxing Academy fighter is 3-0 in Strikeforce, most recently notching a unanimous decision over tough veteran Jeff Monson in June.

[misjuevos]

well now we see the zuffa influence, before strikeforce would have tried to work with the fighter and come up with a reasonable date for both of them. now that zuffa is in charge it's shut up and do what you're told. we have seen SF push back the tournament before so what has changed this time, hm?

[Mace Bloodstone]

Hmmm, Overeem scared :huh: or does he have a deal with ufc in the works?

[E-Man]

Who really knows what's happening with Overeem? When did he get the toe injury? Him getting pulled is really no different from any other tournament. A fighter gets hurt and can't fight, so they replace them with someone else. The only thing is that he "supposedly" never told them about the toe injury until they started to book the fight. Of course that just might be ********. Either way it goes, it's pretty sad that the Strikeforce "tournament" isn't turning out well. It's taken far too long for it to finish in the first damn place, and their belt situation is pointless since no one defends the titles on a consistent basis. I can't wait until they fold it so we can see Gil Melendez fight Edgar, Maynard, or whoever has the belt.

[CrypticOne]

That SF HW GP is not even worth to watch now. Good luck to everyone still involved, but I don't think the winner will determine the best HW in the world.

Overeem has to have some kind of UFC deal in the works.

[DoomsdayApex]

WOW! I did not see this coming at all. My guess is that Overeem is coming to the UFC.

Barnett is now the favorite to take it all.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Some Dana stuff

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[brainchild81]

WOW! I did not see this coming at all. My guess is that Overeem is coming to the UFC.

Barnett is now the favorite to take it all.I think Sergei would KO him.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Saturday...

http://i55.tinypic.com/331j66x.jpg

I think Henderson will be too small.

[Colossal Spoons]

^I didn't even know those 2 were in the same weight class. Hendo looked at least 50lbs lighter than Fedor when he demolished Bisping's face.

[E-Man]

Hendo has fought at heavyweight before. He'll probably just barely be over the limit at 206 or so. I'm taking Fedor in this one.

[CrypticOne]

This is going to be a fun fight to watch. I hope Hendo wins, but he'll most likely get submitted.

[E-Man]

Hendo is very hard to submit. The only people to ever do it are the Nogs and Anderson who is their student. I think Fedor will just beat him down in a much more violent way than Jake Shields did. Hendo can take a ton of damage, and that's why I think it's going to decision. Fedor also has a pretty damn good chin himself, so if and when he gets caught with the H-bomb I think he'll do the chicken dance but survive.

[Bubonic]

I can't imagine the Russian in Fedor letting him lose three times in a row, especially not to someone as awesomely American as Hendo.

I really like Hendos personality from what I saw on the Ultimate Fighter and therefore will be rooting for him.

I'm still angry that they edited out his killer, righteous finish of that mouthy Bisping on the official DVD.

[DoomsdayApex]

Fedor Emelianenko will probably finish Dan Henderson. I don't see Fedor KOing Hendo, but I do see him submitting Dan.

However, if Fedor loses, I think it's time to call it a career.

[Bubonic]

It's such crap to go out on three losses when you were ontop of it all for so long.
But I think he'll have too much pride to just beat some hams in order to go out on a win, going to be interesting to see what he does if he does not win.
Also surprised to find out that Hendo is actually older.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Henderson 207 / Fedor 223

Henderson physically looks great, if it wasn't for him being 40 I'd give him more of a chance.

[DoomsdayApex]

Maybe, but Fedor is in his mid-30's in a division filled with young studs who are both big and agile. In addition, Fedor's speed has drastically declined over the last three years.

I was stunned when I watched him beat up on Brett Rogers. His combos weren't as fast as they use to be. Due to his size in a division now being overwhelmed by giants, speed was his biggest weapon. Now that his agility and striking speed have declined, all he has left is his technique and knock out power -- which is not enough anymore (ex. Silva just manhandled Fedor).

[B]

Found this in gif thread:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/wayofusgaro/JonesRampage_faceoff.gif

:D

[B]

Sorry as a follow up to that I found out that Jones was apparently 'outraged' because Rampage turned his back on him.. said it was kinda disrespectful from Rampage & that he'd show it in the fight.

Am I the only one who thinks that is ironic coming from him? I mean whats the difference between turning your back on someone & not looking them in the eye.. he has no right to be outraged considering Rampage was only reacting to the way Jones approached the staredown by looking past him..

[Mace Bloodstone]

it's just hype

[E-Man]

Early stoppage, but man Hendo still has it.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Wow, Henderson surprised me...

[DoomsdayApex]

Fedor, you've had an incredible career... but's time to bow out.

[DoomsdayApex]

Found this in gif thread:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/wayofusgaro/JonesRampage_faceoff.gif

:D



:woot::awesome::pal::applaud:lmao::bow::funny:

And just look at Jones' displeasement as soon as Rampage turns and smiles. HAHAHA! I hope Jackson embarasses Jon.

[B]

Hate to say I told you so, but.. I told you so.

Fedor has not been fighting the top level guys since his Pride days, I've been saying this for what seems like awhile now. Since the Pride buyout Fedor has been fighting has beens, freakshow fights & basically just fights against guys that just aren't that great to begin with.

The level of competition rose/evolved around him while he continued to fight at his Pride level & arguably even below. Particularly in the heavyweight division the competition has become far greater & more talented in my opinion.. I'd even go as far as to say Cain Velasquez & Junior Dos Santo's 9 & 13 wins respectfully, would be equivalent to Fedor's 31 wins from essentially his Pride days.

Now with a lose against a guy who came in right on the limit of weight for a heavyweight, he should just retire. His legacy is badly tarnished because of his overall decision to go to Strikeforce ahead of the UFC in my opinion.

[DoomsdayApex]

Hate to say I told you so, but.. I told you so.

Fedor has not been fighting the top level guys since his Pride days, I've been saying this for what seems like awhile now. Since the Pride buyout Fedor has been fighting has beens, freakshow fights & basically just fights against guys that just aren't that great to begin with.

The level of competition rose/evolved around him while he continued to fight at his Pride level & arguably even below. Particularly in the heavyweight division the competition has become far greater & more talented in my opinion.. I'd even go as far as to say Cain Velasquez & Junior Dos Santo's 9 & 13 wins respectfully, would be equivalent to Fedor's 31 wins from essentially his Pride days.

Now with a lose against a guy who came in right on the limit of weight for a heavyweight, he should just retire. His legacy is badly tarnished because of his overall decision to go to Strikeforce ahead of the UFC in my opinion.


Severely disagree here.

Fedor fought Tim Sylvia (ranked from #5-8), Andrei Arlovski (ranked at #2), Brett Rogers (ranked from #6-9), Antonio Silva (ranked from #5-7), and Fabricio Werdum (ranked #9-10). In addition, Fedor was set to fight Josh Barnett (who also happened to be ranked at #2) before the fight was cancelled.

Fedor has been fighting top competition for years.

Furthermore, Fedor's legacy has not been tarnished. He fought the best during the PRIDE era -- back when the UFC had a nonexistent Heavyweight division. Fedor dominated the competition.

[DoomsdayApex]

One more thing...

'Takedown' Tate is hottest chick/fighter in MMA.

Move on over Gina, Miesha is now the face of Woman's MMA and my dream girl. It had to be said.

[El Bastardo]

Attaboy, Hendo!

[Iron_Stark]

HEEEEEENDO! YEAH!!

I like Fedor, but I couldn't root against Hendo.

Meisha Tate is so friggen hot, it's ridiculous. She and Gina should have a match, but the stipulations would be no punching or kicking, just rolling on the mat.

[Darthphere]

Yeah that would really help the credibility of women's MMA.

[CrypticOne]

Hell yeah! WAR HENDO!

[CrypticOne]

People need to realize, Fedor has never evolved! And he has shown no interest in evolving. Hendo has rarely evolved too. But that just goes to show you who Fedor has been fighting.

Fedor needs to retire. Or he needs to move out of Russia and into somewhere he can evolve and get better. But I think he's too arrogant for all of that.

[DoomsdayApex]

This isn't about Fedor not evolving. It's just time for him to walk away.

[CrypticOne]

This isn't about Fedor not evolving. It's just time for him to walk away.

WHAT?! Walk away?! The supposedly greatest fighter is going to walk away at the age of 34?! He got beat by an old man last night! Fedor needs to evolve. That's what this is about. He looks flabby and sloppy as hell out there.

[DoomsdayApex]

WHAT?! Walk away?! The supposedly greatest fighter is going to walk away at the age of 34?! He got beat by an old man last night! Fedor needs to evolve. That's what this is about. He looks flabby and sloppy as hell out there.


True, but Fedor (just like Wanderlei) has been gone through many wars himself and taken alot of damage. Before Hendo, Fedor had only been rocked once in his career. Arlovski, Silva, and Rogers landed direct shots on Fedor, and he shrugged them off. My opinion is that Fedor's body is finally starting to break down.

Fedor's speed has declined significantly and his ability to absorb damage has started crumble. Two advantages that Fedor was able to use against the bigger and stronger opponents.

It's not about evolving or strategy. I certainly believe in my heart that Fedor is finished as a fighter.

[Bubonic]

Yeah that would really help the credibility of women's MMA.

Women's MMA is going to go on a far back burner as soon as Strikeforce is absorbed in UFC. With fans only into it for glorified cat fights and the small talent pool it might as well be that way.

[DoomsdayApex]

Women's MMA is going to go on a far back burner as soon as Strikeforce is absorbed in UFC. With fans only into it for glorified cat fights and the small talent pool it might as well be that way.


I doubt it. There's still Bellator and DREAM.

Trust me, Women's MMA isn't going anywhere.

[Dr. Evil]

I doubt it. There's still Bellator and DREAM.

Trust me, Women's MMA isn't going anywhere.

I would think many of them would want to stay in the United States, so they probably would go to Bellator.

But if Bellator crumbles, Japan may be their only option.

[Bubonic]

This monopolizing stuff certainly limits fighter's options.

[E-Man]

I think it's just more about MMA companies being terrible at making money along with the fact that women besides Gina don't draw. It's sad but true everywhere.

[misjuevos]

once sf is absorbed maybe someone will try to open a women's mma org, though the biggest problem will be finding fighters.

[B]

Severely disagree here.

Fedor fought Tim Sylvia (ranked from #5-8), Andrei Arlovski (ranked at #2)

I'd argue that both Sylvia & Arlovski were never that great to begin with, the second a person with even a wiff of skill or brains about them fought either they've been beaten quite comfortably.

However by the time Fedor fought both Sylvia & Arlovski your talking 2008/2009.. when the UFC's HW division was really the place to be fighting & long after the days when Tim Sylvia or Andrei Arlovski had a chance of holding a UFC HW title. Those rankings are bogus as well as far as I am concerned for the time when Fedor fought them.

Brett Rogers (ranked from #6-9)

No disrespect to your opinion, but Brett Roger as far as I am concerned wasn't a top 10 heavyweight when Fedor fought him.. nor has he ever been a top 10 heavyweight in MMA.. I think hes a glorified Kimbo Slice personally.

Antonio Silva (ranked from #5-7)

Fair enough, I'll give you Bigfoot.. I'll even agree with your ranking. In saying that though, Fedor got handled pretty badly in this match & took a bad beatdown.. so I'm not quite sure what that says.

and Fabricio Werdum (ranked #9-10)

I'll give you Werdum as well, with the exception of getting tooled by Overeem & KTFO by Dos Santos he is a credible HW.. but at the same time, when he fought Fedor, Werdum wasn't on alot of people's minds as 'the top guy' Fedor could have been fighting. Infact truth be told he probably wasn't even on alot of peoples radars as being a top HW, hense why people made Fedor a heavy favourite to win & why Werdum tapping Fedor was one of the biggest upsets of that fighting year.

Fedor has been fighting top competition for years.

As far as I am concerned, he hasn't. I believe from about 2006 till I'd say he started fighting in Strikeforce in 2010 I believe, he hasn't been fighting the guys that were the best he could have been fighting. Then by losing to Werdum, a guy that wasn't suppose to have any chance of beating Fedor at all nevermind so easily.. well it just pissed over everything he'd accomplished beforehand I feel.

Furthermore, Fedor's legacy has not been tarnished. He fought the best during the PRIDE era -- back when the UFC had a nonexistent Heavyweight division. Fedor dominated the competition.

So did Cro Cop, so did Wanderlei Silva & Nogueira among others. All of those guys left Pride with impressive records of wins & look at all 3 of them.. particularly Cro Cop & Nog. Neither have been able to come even remotely close to the same level of dominance of Pride in the UFC.. that should tell you just how good the UFC's heavyweights were at least at the time they jumped ship nevermind what they are like now.

I do agree that Fedor dominated Pride & was the #1 Heavyweight in the world.. however I don't think hes been the #1 Heavyweight since say 2007 due to the fact that the people he was fighting did nothing other than pad his record out.. they didn't further cement his place as #1 HW as each fight should have done.

[E-Man]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who had a good enough streak to supplant Fedor as the #1 before he lost? No one came close to that until recently.

[misjuevos]

im curious as to why if jones is fighting and rashad is also fighting on the same card, why couldn't they fight each other? so many rumors about them. they were scheduled to fight till an injury, then jones was cleared so what's the deal. how did the fight not happen?

[Paroxysm]

Fedor will always be my favorite HW of all time for the same reason Hulk Hogan is my favorite wrestler of all time.

The first time I saw them do their thing I was enthralled.

[misjuevos]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/342207/Marloes-Coenen-cut-by-Strikeforce-Golden-Glory-responds/
some interesting stuff going on with golden glory and zuffa.

[misjuevos]

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overeem talks about being cut from strikeforece.

[CrypticOne]

My picks for tonight:

Ortiz via TKO
Akiyama via TKO
Macdonald via TKO

Ortiz and Akiyama will probably lose, but I'm rooting for them!

[mrvlknight21]

I think Rashad will beat Tito tonight....of course I thought that Ryan Bader would do the same.

[B]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who had a good enough streak to supplant Fedor as the #1 before he lost? No one came close to that until recently.

This is pretty much my feeling as well.

Dana White was talking about Fedor in an interview with mmafighting.com & he picks apart 95% of the people fought since 2003. I don't think he was suggesting that UFC has had better heavyweights since 2003, however I feel he was more suggesting that the guys he was beating were anything from inexperienced with low records, on losing streaks amongst other things.

He then goes on to say that people can say whatever they want about Brock Lesnar, however at least he had the stones to step up & fight the very best Heavyweights in MMA with little to no training/mma experience at the time.

Dana White talks alot of ****, but for the most part I think hes right about most things MMA. As far as his comments on Fedor go, I gotta agree with him 100%.

[B]

I think this fight is a lose - lose for Rashad Evans & a win - win for Tito. If Rashad brutally KO's Tito in round 1 people will say Tito was washed up & he'd beat someone that was over the hill, however if he loses it will set him way back down the pecking order for a shot at the LHW title.

If Tito wins he'll be right back in the mix for a shot, possibly even 1 fight away from facing Jones or Rampage. However even if he loses, he'll still get credit for stepping in on very short notice to face the number #2/#3 contender.

Really in reality the one bad performance Tito has put in on his 5 fight winless streak (1 draw) was probably to Hamill, everyone else he has fought has been credible & tricky guys. Forest who is quite unorthodox/stubborn & Machida who at the time seemed unflappable & even more unorthodox. I mean his only other 2 fights were to Chuck who was fierce at the time before Rampage KO'd him & then Rashad Evans who he should have beaten had he not had a point deducted.

Tito I feel is more than capable of beating Rashad & I feel he still has the tools to impose himself on the top guys in the division.

Looking forward to this fight, the staredown at the weigh ins was fantastic.

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overeem talks about being cut from strikeforece.

Hmmm, Dana White seemed to say that Overeem was cut because of his managment/agents Golden Glory & the fact that they wanted Strikeforce to pay them & then they'd pay Overeem.

He said you can get away with that type of **** in Japan & other countries, but in America they pay fighters & then the fighters pay the managment.

[El Bastardo]

I hate Rashad Evans, but **** me he looked good.

[B]

Now THAT was the type of Rashad Evans that I could grow to like. A Rashad Evans that pressures mistakes & actually looks as if hes out to cause some damage/finish a fight. Really looked fantastic all round, particularly mixing up his strikes with his takedown attempts. The one thing that would make him even more damaging would be if his punches were alot cleaner & landed better. I don't know what it is but he threw a few punches & they didn't look technically that great when they landed.. and had they been just a tiny bit better he could have hurt Ortiz against the cage when he had started to pressure him before his massive takedown in round 1.

Credit to Tito, he took the fight on very short notice after fighting just 4/5 weeks prior to this & at least gave it a go. With a longer training camp & specialised training to deal with Rashad's speed & wrestling, then who knows. I definatly think Tito should get a few more fights, I'd somewhat look past this fight considering how short notice he took the fight.

But overall a fantastic performance from Rashad, the move away from Jackson's camp has definatly improved him both technically, physically & mentally and if he keeps putting on performances like this he'll add me to his list of fans.

Vitor put on a great show as well, I'd love Bisping (or Miller if he beats him) to be Belfort's next fight.

[misjuevos]

Hmmm, Dana White seemed to say that Overeem was cut because of his managment/agents Golden Glory & the fact that they wanted Strikeforce to pay them & then they'd pay Overeem.

He said you can get away with that type of **** in Japan & other countries, but in America they pay fighters & then the fighters pay the managment.
there was a follow up that talked about marlos coenen' tweet, here is an article about it. it shows that she was paid by the zuffa company directly, so this would disprove white's initial statement.http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/342638/Coenen-disputes-claims-of-Dana-White-was-paid-directly-by-Zuffa/

as far as overeem though he still wants to compete in k1 and dream but of course zuffa don't want that. so that is why sf was no longer willing to accept it when it was contract time. he is a little mistaken if he(overeem) thinks the ufc will sign him and let him fight in dream and k1.

[SuperSoldier985]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ut4IJWFs8Vo/Tj4DHUMzDUI/AAAAAAAAEb8/LBt9q2H4VkI/s1600/9.gif

[Thieves Dont]

there was a follow up that talked about marlos coenen' tweet, here is an article about it. it shows that she was paid by the zuffa company directly, so this would disprove white's initial statement.http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/342638/Coenen-disputes-claims-of-Dana-White-was-paid-directly-by-Zuffa/

as far as overeem though he still wants to compete in k1 and dream but of course zuffa don't want that. so that is why sf was no longer willing to accept it when it was contract time. he is a little mistaken if he(overeem) thinks the ufc will sign him and let him fight in dream and k1.

Dana (and GG) have flat out said that he paid the fighters directly, and by GG doing so they just make Dana look right. That's not the issue. The issue here is that Golden Glory wants to be paid directly, and have tried to strong arm the UFC into agreeing with their tactics. Not happenning.

Edit: Einemo just posted this on twitter:

@danawhite dana i wanted to get payed by GG,you said no and it was ok, we worked it out,so...? i dont get it! the check was in my name

That further supports what Dana and Lorenzo have been saying.

[TheVileOne]

Hallman is likely gone for showing his junk tonight. What a ****ing idiot.

Golden Glory are a shady business. Fighters should be paid directly.

Also at the end of the day, people need to take some ****ing responsibility. Have you looked at some of the stories lately? The person to manage your money is yourself. Just be responsible. People are lazy and don't want to do their own tax work. They want someone else to do it for them and then it is no wonder they are scammed and ripped off.

[Iron_Stark]

Rashad won? Good grief, good thing I didn't order the fight.

[TheVileOne]

He won very impressively. Hit Tito with a nasty knee to the sternum and ground and pounded him. Honestly it is the best Rashad Evans has looked in almost 3 years.

[misjuevos]

Dana (and GG) have flat out said that he paid the fighters directly, and by GG doing so they just make Dana look right. That's not the issue. The issue here is that Golden Glory wants to be paid directly, and have tried to strong arm the UFC into agreeing with their tactics. Not happenning.


is this in reference to my first paragraph about coenen's tweet or second paragraph about overeem?

[Thieves Dont]

is this in reference to my first paragraph about coenen's tweet or second paragraph about overeem?

The first one about Coenen. Sucks that she was cut, but there are rules over here. Sounds like if they're able to work something out then they'll be back.

[Thieves Dont]

Rashad won? Good grief, good thing I didn't order the fight.

I've never liked Rashad, but he came out last night looking like a completely different fighter. It was unreal. Tito landed some really good counter punches and knees in the first, one that I thought would have put Rashad away. It didn't, and they both took part in one of the most exciting fights last night.

Really liking Rashad's new camp and training partners. Tyrone Spong was in his corner:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Tyrone-spong3.jpg/250px-Tyrone-spong3.jpg

and is really helping Evans with his striking. Spong is a nasty nasty Muay Thai fighter and kickboxer. Some of the best stand up on the planet.

[Guardian17]

Hallman is likely gone for showing his junk tonight. What a ****ing idiot.



Was that the guy in the Speedo?

[El Bastardo]

Yeah.

[B]

Did anyone see the post-UFC 133 press conference? Dana White awarded Brian Ebersole the first ever "Thanks for getting those horrifying shorts off TV as soon as possible bonus" after he TKO'd Dennis Hallman :awesome:

[misjuevos]

The first one about Coenen. Sucks that she was cut, but there are rules over here. Sounds like if they're able to work something out then they'll be back.
it was a misunderstanding by coenen's tweet. later white came out and explained it more here. but initially all he said was GG wants the money then they will dish it out to the fighter. all i was referencing was his initial statement and coenen's tweet. which is why he had to later explain it further. based on his first statement it didn't make sense how she got paid directly, but now it does.
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i have to say i have never been a rashad fan, but do feel sorry for him. he was supposed to fight jones but somehow jones managed to get out of it. first he was injured so then rashad decided to fight davis. then jones is not injured so he is gonna fight jackson now. mean while davis gets injured and rashad had no one to fight. why couldn't they just match up jones vs rashad, their first matchup? instead rashad had to fight tito, while jackson gets a titleshot. poor rashad, he won but still has to wait for the winner now.

[CrypticOne]

Rashad Evans looked huge!

I still see Jones wrecking both Rampage and Evans though.

[E-Man]

I hated seeing Tito get beat like that, but Rashad is my favorite fighter(along with Anderson) so it's all good to me.

[misjuevos]

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chael sonnen q&a from ufc 133, pretty entertaining.

if you missed the 133 post fight presser
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[Mace Bloodstone]

Rashad Evans looked huge!

I still see Jones wrecking both Rampage and Evans though.

I think Dana thinks that too.. Put off Jones's fight with either of them as long as possible, that way his 2 stars are not in any serious jeopardy right away.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Matt Hamill retired which I think is good...

http://www.620wdae.com/pages/jasonfloyd.html?article=8941410

[TheVileOne]

Thank you to Matt Hamill for all he's done over his career. Dude had a good career and accomplished a hell of a lot despite his handicap. No one else has been deaf and been able to fight in the UFC.

Hope he can now rest his body up and be with his family. You shouldn't continue to fight past your expiration date and further damage your body more. That is why Dana wanted Chuck Liddell to retire so badly for a while. And that is why I think Dana White is a good guy because IMHO he and ZUFFA have done a lot more to look out for the health and well being for these guys more than just about any other combat sports organization. Did Pride FC ever have seminars about steroid abuse, head injuries, and concussions?

[LOBO3315a]

I liked Matt when I saw him on the Ultimate Fighter series. Good that he recognizes that he's not up to fighting anymore, and is hanging up his gloves. Sorry to see him leave, but it's for the best that he do this now while he is relatively healthy and can still lead a normal life.

On a side note, can you imaging the poor shmuck that tries to date his daughter, when he finds out her dad had fought and won against Mark Munoz, Jon Jones, Keith Jardine, and Tito Ortiz? He might just stand her up, lol.

[E-Man]

Thank you to Matt Hamill for all he's done over his career. Dude had a good career and accomplished a hell of a lot despite his handicap. No one else has been deaf and been able to fight in the UFC.

Hope he can now rest his body up and be with his family. You shouldn't continue to fight past your expiration date and further damage your body more. That is why Dana wanted Chuck Liddell to retire so badly for a while. And that is why I think Dana White is a good guy because IMHO he and ZUFFA have done a lot more to look out for the health and well being for these guys more than just about any other combat sports organization. Did Pride FC ever have seminars about steroid abuse, head injuries, and concussions?

I don't know about Pride since it died, but man they're really letting Sakuraba become worse than Holyfield over in Japan. hell his last fight his ear was torn and hanging from his head. Poor guy is going to seriously die in the ring if someone doesn't stop him.

[TheVileOne]

Well that's not just the promoters, that is the fighters too. Liddell basically had to be forced to retire. These guys are simply addicted to the sport and really that feeling they get when they win.

When I interviewed Chris Lytle he talked about winning the fight is one of the biggest "highs" he's ever been on and after a while you want nothing more than to get it back.

But yeah, I know Sakuraba is a huge star in Japan but he should've retired like two years ago. Stop carting him out. Sakuraba was a part of some classic match-ups but I mean it is wrong to just see him keep coming out like this, his body broken and barely holding together. I refuse to watch it.

[Paroxysm]

Watch out for Rory MacDonald. This kid is a beast.

[misjuevos]

bas boon of GG speaks
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/344071/Golden-Glory-Had-a-deal-for-SF-to-become-a-real-competitor-to-the-UFC/


this vid is dana talking about overeem's ranking, it's from last year. i figure if overeem does eventually go to the ufc we might get a different story from white then. so it's good to know what was his stance before the hype machine gets going.
3:45 is when alistair overeem is brought up
zHSWP6WPotI

[The_Joker_hahah]

Brock Lesnar, Baddest sob on the planet!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Did anyone see the post-UFC 133 press conference? Dana White awarded Brian Ebersole the first ever "Thanks for getting those horrifying shorts off TV as soon as possible bonus" after he TKO'd Dennis Hallman :awesome:

Haha, those were killin me

[misjuevos]

shaq was on insidemma and wants to fight hung-man choi.

[Paroxysm]

he's been saying that for years.

[B]

Dana should just stick Shaq in a matchup with Shane Carwin as a co-co Main Event of a UFC PPV & make a ton of money of his name.. then once he has been destroyed he'll stop coming out with this sort of **** every week.

He seems to think that because he has dabbled in some MMA training that he is capable of stepping into a cage with anyone. Training in something is completely different to competing in something.

Hong-man is nothing more than a freakshow MMA fighter, promoters use the fact that hes like 7ft tall as credibility for him as an MMA fighter. He has limited kickboxing skills & no real ground game.. that being said he does have fight experience.. something Shaq doesn't. I'd expect Hong-man to destory Shaq otherwise he should consider a career in something else.

[TheVileOne]

I'd say we have to put Overeem around top 10 now that he's beaten Werdum. But then White has never been a big fan of Fedor anyway.

Werdum didn't do that well in the UFC anyway and Fedor didn't even do that well in the US.

[B]

Personally I rank Overeem in & around the same ranking as Kongo.

His win over Werdum wasn't impressive at all, he essentially just stuffed his takedowns & barely did enough to outpoint him on the feet.

When Overeem signs for the UFC, which looks like it will soon happen, then we'll see where Overeem really is at in terms of having to deal with alot more well rounded & dangerous heavyweights.

[E-Man]

Personally I rank Overeem in & around the same ranking as Kongo.

His win over Werdum wasn't impressive at all, he essentially just stuffed his takedowns & barely did enough to outpoint him on the feet.

When Overeem signs for the UFC, which looks like it will soon happen, then we'll see where Overeem really is at in terms of having to deal with alot more well rounded & dangerous heavyweights.

What Werdum did in that fight can't be considered takedowns. That was more like assdowns because that's all he was getting to the ground with those Manu Ginobili level flops. I'm still wondering how the hell both guys gassed that bad in that fight. I know they're heavyweights, but come on now.

[DoomsdayApex]

Personally I rank Overeem in & around the same ranking as Kongo.

His win over Werdum wasn't impressive at all, he essentially just stuffed his takedowns & barely did enough to outpoint him on the feet.

When Overeem signs for the UFC, which looks like it will soon happen, then we'll see where Overeem really is at in terms of having to deal with alot more well rounded & dangerous heavyweights.


Overeem won the 2010 K-1 Grand Prix. These tournaments bring forth some of the world's best strikers varying from Muay Thai, Shotokan/Kyokushin Karate, Savate, Kickboxing, etc.

Velasquez is a wrestler first and a Boxer second.
Dos Santos is a one-dimensional Boxer.
Carwin only depends on knock power (has never thrown a single combination).

There's your top three HWs in the UFC. Neither of these guys could stand and trade with strikers like Badr Hari, Tyrone Sprong, and Gokhan Saki.


Now let's move on to his ground game. Overeem won the European ADCC, and has the world's deadliest Guillotine choke (the most feared submission by wrestlers). Enough said.

Velasquez has a brown belt in Guerrilla Jiu-Jitsu.
Dos Santos has a brown belt under the Nogueira Bros.
Carwin has a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Once again, there's your top three, and their career highlights in the submission game. Two out of the three have yet to lock in a submission.


Let's move onto experience.

Velasquez is 9-0
Dos Santos is 13-1
Carwin is 12-2

Overeem is 35-11-1 (that's 47 professional MMA bouts). No comparsion here for experience.


While Overeem's win over Werdum wasn't impressive -- I could point out Anderson Silva-Damien Maia or Anderson Silva-Thales Leites or Jose Aldo-Mark Hominick or GSP-Jake Shields. Amazing... I guess you have a short memory when it comes to the UFC's own. Alistair's gameplan was to simply stop the takedown, and he did 85% of the time. Werdum has below average knock out power, Overeem was never in trouble.

By the by, I love that people are also downgrading Fabricio Werdum. The guy who manhandled and derailed two hypetrains in Gabriel Gonzaga and Brandon Vera -- who both are still in the UFC oddly enough. Werdum lost to Arlovski (on points in a close decision) and Dos Santos (who is currently the #2 to #3 HW in the world). Furthermore, Werdum wasn't cut, he walked away just like Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski. The man is the most feared ground specialist in the HW division.

In summary, Alistair Overeem is NOT some lacky or mediocre talent that is getting a fortunate chance in the UFC. Overeem is a fighter that has paid his dues in a long career, and is a well-rounded specimen.

[E-Man]

The European ADCC was just the trials. It's a nice skin, but it doesn't mean that he would just destroy guys on the mat. His problems have always been cardio and taking damage, and he hasn't shown that at all yet. He's a good front runner, but he'll get absolutely destroyed by Cain. He won't stop the takedowns, and once he gets tagged on the ground(which he would) he'll go out pretty soon. After that who knows, but he needs to fix his cardio big time.

[DoomsdayApex]

The European ADCC was just the trials. It's a nice skin, but it doesn't mean that he would just destroy guys on the mat. His problems have always been cardio and taking damage, and he hasn't shown that at all yet. He's a good front runner, but he'll get absolutely destroyed by Cain. He won't stop the takedowns, and once he gets tagged on the ground(which he would) he'll go out pretty soon. After that who knows, but he needs to fix his cardio big time.


He's handled and/or submitted fighters like Fedor, Mousasi, and Einemo quite well during grappling sessions. Granted, they are only grappling sessions but his skillset on the ground is terribly underrated. Let's also not forget that Overeem went to the ground with Werdum in their first match up, and he was impressive with his submission defense.

Taking damage -- I do not agree with that point. He proved that his chin was stable during the K-1 tournament.

However, I do agree with the cardio aspect. It's a reason why Overeem dropped from 265 lbs to 250lbs in his most recent bout. All that muscle mass might have worked well for the K-1 bouts but it doesn't serve him well in MMA.

I disagree. If Velasquez cannot take down Overeem, then it's inevitably over, and Overeem's TDD has improved significantly. And I'm willing to bet that Cain will be thinking about that Guillotine Choke as he shoots for a takedown.

[E-Man]

There aren't many people that can stop Cain from taking them down. His ground and pound is also some of MMA's best. That guy is a nightmare to stop. He'd kill Overeem worse than Shogun and Arona.

[Paroxysm]

We'll never know until it happens so....

[DoomsdayApex]

There aren't many people that can stop Cain from taking them down. His ground and pound is also some of MMA's best. That guy is a nightmare to stop. He'd kill Overeem worse than Shogun and Arona.


Cain has had only 9 professional MMA bouts in his career, and the last striker he faced [Kongo] nearly killed him. Nine opponents who are one-dimensional (for the most part) are not MANY people.

We'll see come next year. Overeem is currently seeking a contract, and considering that Dana already gave Diaz of all people a title shot then Alistair will most likely get one right away as well.

[TheVileOne]

DoomsdayApex, Kongo hurt him bad but what did he do? He recovered and took him down and won the fight.

JDS has holes in his game a fighter like Cain can exploit. Cain is a much better wrestler than Carwin and he has much better cardio and stamina. And Carwin was still able to take JDS down. He couldn't keep him down, but Cain will be able to do that better than Carwin.

[DoomsdayApex]

DoomsdayApex, Kongo hurt him bad but what did he do? He recovered and took him down and won the fight.

JDS has holes in his game a fighter like Cain can exploit. Cain is a much better wrestler than Carwin and he has much better cardio and stamina. And Carwin was still able to take JDS down. He couldn't keep him down, but Cain will be able to do that better than Carwin.



Yes, because Kongo has nonexistent TDD. Who knows where Kongo would be today if he would have added Wrestling and some BJJ to his arsenal? The guy is a talented kickboxer, but let's face it -- we all knew Cain would be victorious because of his wrestling background. It's a shame really.

Of course JDS has holes in his game (including in the stand up department), but if Dos Santos does manage to stand back up then Velasquez is going to be in a world of hurt. So far, JDS has taken Nelson's and Carwin's best. Not bad for a solid Boxer.

[Project862006]

not sure what you think of women's mma but this new girl is being patterned as the future of women's mma and she is pretty sick
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vh85wCyPtpQ/TkYO7EdqF8I/AAAAAAAAEdU/23ZcGR80id4/s1600/Sarah+D%2527Alelio++vs.+Ronda+Rousey+2.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/2245155_o.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2705322/ronda-rouseys-armbar-on-tweet-o.gif

her name is Ronda Rousey she is only 24 and an Olympic Bronze Medalist in Judo here is her background:
Olympic Teams: 2008 (Bronze), 2004
World Championship Teams: 2007 (Silver), 2005
Pan American Games Teams: 2007 (Gold)
Pan American Championship Teams: 2007 (Bronze), 2006 (Silver), 2005 (Gold), 2004 (Gold)
Junior Pan American Championships Teams: 2006, 2004 (Both Gold)
Junior World Championship Teams: 2006 (Bronze), 2004 (Gold)
she is 3-0 in MMA as an Amateur and now 3-0 as a Pro

and all 6 of her wins together equals a grand total time of 3:20 seconds

all 6 fights ended in round 1 and all under 1 minute and all by Arm Bar.

and she is'nt bad to look at either:hrt:
http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/ronda-rousey-1.jpg
http://www.nokaut.com/docs/slike/RondaRouseySmall.jpg

[Paroxysm]

I heard about her on The MMA Show.

She has some crazy skills.

She's pretty hot too.

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah, I was going to post the Yahoo article talking about her transformation from Olympic Judo to MMA, but I got sidetracked.

She's a beast. I heard she's freakishly strong (powerful vice grip).

[DoomsdayApex]

Those Judo throws are nasty, and hold a valuble purpose other than stunning your opponent. If they are performed properly, a Judoka will find himself or herself in side control or in a position to lock in a submission.

Shame that alot of Judokas don't transit to MMA that well. Their approach is mediocre. Here's hoping that Hawn and Rousely change the landscape, and bring back the Judoka rep.

[Mace Bloodstone]

How many weight classes do the girls have?

[B]

Overeem won the 2010 K-1 Grand Prix. These tournaments bring forth some of the world's best strikers varying from Muay Thai, Shotokan/Kyokushin Karate, Savate, Kickboxing, etc.

Now let's move on to his ground game. Overeem won the European ADCC, and has the world's deadliest Guillotine choke (the most feared submission by wrestlers). Enough said.

K-1 is kickboxing. Not MMA.

European ADCC is submission grappling. Not MMA.

I'm sure the best of the best strikers in the world fight or have fought there... however in truth being a K-1 Grand Prix champion means as much as being an NCAA champion in MMA.. nothing other than they sound good on your fighting C.V. during your introductions.

Velasquez is a wrestler first and a Boxer second.
Dos Santos is a one-dimensional Boxer.
Carwin only depends on knock power (has never thrown a single combination).

There's your top three HWs in the UFC. Neither of these guys could stand and trade with strikers like Badr Hari, Tyrone Sprong, and Gokhan Saki.

Actually Lesnar would be ahead of Carwin however it is still a moo point I feel. None of the guys you've highlighted ever aspire to be K-1 champions. They aspire to be MMA champions which is the inclusion of ALL disciplines.

Velasquez has a brown belt in Guerrilla Jiu-Jitsu.
Dos Santos has a brown belt under the Nogueira Bros.
Carwin has a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Once again, there's your top three, and their career highlights in the submission game. Two out of the three have yet to lock in a submission.

Again I feel this is another moo point. Dos Santos has hardly grappled at all inside an MMA cage because nobody has managed to get hold of him & get him to the ground without getting KO'd.

None of the fighters are submission specialists either, 1's a boxer/striker & the other 2 are wrestlers that just so happen to be able to strike a little.

It's not hard to believe though that considering they've all got some form of Jiu-Jitsu qualification that they are in some capacity competent in regards to submissions & sweeps.

Don't forget, Overeem was only a ADCC European champion. Let me put that into perspective. Audley Harrison is the EBU European Heavyweight Champion in boxing. He is in the same weightclass as the Klitschko's who would both be eligible to fight for this title if they wanted to.. do you see were I am going with this. The real top boxers (or in Overeem's case, grapplers) are competing at a world level. While it is fairly impressive to win this for a guy that is primarily a striker.. it's hardly something to sing & dance about in my opinion nor does it mean he is some sort of ground wizard.

While Overeem's win over Werdum wasn't impressive -- I could point out Anderson Silva-Damien Maia or Anderson Silva-Thales Leites or Jose Aldo-Mark Hominick or GSP-Jake Shields. Amazing... I guess you have a short memory when it comes to the UFC's own. Alistair's gameplan was to simply stop the takedown, and he did 85% of the time. Werdum has below average knock out power, Overeem was never in trouble.

...and were have I given you any sort of an indication that I felt any of these performances were impressive wins? :huh:

I'm talking about Allister Overeem, not GSP, Silva or Aldo.

By the by, I love that people are also downgrading Fabricio Werdum. The guy who manhandled and derailed two hypetrains in Gabriel Gonzaga and Brandon Vera -- who both are still in the UFC oddly enough. Werdum lost to Arlovski (on points in a close decision) and Dos Santos (who is currently the #2 to #3 HW in the world). Furthermore, Werdum wasn't cut, he walked away just like Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski. The man is the most feared ground specialist in the HW division.

Gonzaga is retired from MMA & now only competes in BJJ. Brandon Vera was cut, then rehired after his 3rd straight lose was to Thaigo Silva.. who had failed a drugs test after the fight.

I don't downgrade Werdum I just don't find him that impressive. He hasn't beat anyone that I personally consider to be a top guy.. Fedor included.

Gonzaga is/was an idiot fighter. He pretty much had a grappling advantage over everyone in the HW division & rather than fighting to his strengths & trying to use his decent striking ability to initiate grappling he tried to exclusively stand with guys. His hype train was ended by Couture btw because his train only started after he'd KO'd Crocop.

Brandon Vera's train was was ended by Tim Sylvia before Werdum.. enough said. Vera has no heart, quits too easy when he is getting controlled on the ground.

In summary, Alistair Overeem is NOT some lacky or mediocre talent that is getting a fortunate chance in the UFC. Overeem is a fighter that has paid his dues in a long career, and is a well-rounded specimen.

I don't think hes a bad fighter if that's what you are getting upset about, however for me personally I don't feel hes any higher up the rankings or more well rounded than Cheick Kongo at this juncture.

[B]

not sure what you think of women's mma but this new girl is being patterned as the future of women's mma and she is pretty sick
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vh85wCyPtpQ/TkYO7EdqF8I/AAAAAAAAEdU/23ZcGR80id4/s1600/Sarah+D%2527Alelio++vs.+Ronda+Rousey+2.gif


I saw this the other night, ridiculous stoppage from Mazzagatti.

Rousey seemed to indicate to Mazzagatti that D'Alelio had tapped which she clearly hadn't either physically or verbally.. which I think was pretty low unless it was accidental on her behalf.

Mazzagatti knew he'd made a **** up the second he'd stopped it, he couldn't even look D'Alelio in the eyes.

He shouldn't be allowed to referee in MMA again.. when a sport has bets running on it this sort of **** cannot happen.

[Project862006]

^true but as deep as that arm bar was and how dry they still were she would of snapped her arm

since ronda has a reputation for breaking girls arm in her judo days lol

[misjuevos]

overeem talking with ufc
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/344437/Overeem-technically-not-released-still-SF-champ-talking-with-UFC/

the biggest test for overeem will be how he does against the american wrestlers. it's the bane of european fighters. mousasi i really like watching fight, looked great till he fought king mo lawal then he was shut down. i am really hoping overeem does well if he goes to the ufc. i like watching him fight, to me the HW division is the most unimpressive division in the ufc or anywhere else. there is usually only 2 or 3 really good guys at any one time in any HW division in any org. they could really use an overeem. im guessing they will give him an easy fight like congo. striker to striker, then try to give him an american wrestler.

i am really curious where overeem will get ranked if he signs with the ufc. they like to rank the ufc fighters higher even if they barely get signed and haven't fought yet.

[CrypticOne]

I hope Overeem comes to the UFC. That'd be awesome. I'd say he be in the top 3 in the HW division.

[misjuevos]

lOXr9RjWz8c
here is the video of the article i posted above. talks about various things. strikeforce deal,melendez, GG, ufc fighters.

[E-Man]

Rogan is right. Since the merger Bendo has been on a huge tear. Man he looked so dominant tonight. Miller's no joke either. This is more proof of the depth of 155, and I love it!

[Mace Bloodstone]

The Outlaw got locked up.

[BatJakz]

Hey guys I haven't looked at the rest of the thread but I was wondering who you thought was the best fighter ever? I personally think it has to be Anderson Silva. The reason: Anderson fights like a fighter looking to finish his opponent. GSP fights like an athlete looking to out-point his opponent. In a match between Silva-GSP, I believe Silva will finish him before GSP can out-point him. Does anyone else agree?

[misjuevos]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/344738/Renowned-MMA-coach-Shawn-Tompkins-dead-at-37/

mma coach shawn tompkins died at 37

on a lighter note a chael sonnen interview
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/344815/Sonnen-I-am-the-world-champion/

[B]

Hey guys I haven't looked at the rest of the thread but I was wondering who you thought was the best fighter ever? I personally think it has to be Anderson Silva. The reason: Anderson fights like a fighter looking to finish his opponent. GSP fights like an athlete looking to out-point his opponent. In a match between Silva-GSP, I believe Silva will finish him before GSP can out-point him. Does anyone else agree?

For me personally, Anderson Silva is hands down the best fighter ever. So dynamic with his striking, has outstanding footwork & movement that makes him highly elusive even when hes standing right in front of you. Also has what I'd describe as an underated ground game.

GSP needs to break free of Jackson's camp & all this mental game plan training they have him doing. He has the tools to beat Silva & to be the greatest & most entertaining fighter.. he just seems to lack the killer instinct.

[Mace Bloodstone]

For me personally, Anderson Silva is hands down the best fighter ever. So dynamic with his striking, has outstanding footwork & movement that makes him highly elusive even when hes standing right in front of you. Also has what I'd describe as an underated ground game.

GSP needs to break free of Jackson's camp & all this mental game plan training they have him doing. He has the tools to beat Silva & to be the greatest & most entertaining fighter.. he just seems to lack the killer instinct.

GSP does have the tools but he doesn't have the size to beat Silva.

[B]

GSP does have the tools but he doesn't have the size to beat Silva.

This is something GSP has commented on stating he'd need to prepare his body for a weight class jump, he'd need to add some muscle mass so the weight cut to 185 would be more or less what it is to 170. GSP only walks around at like 195lbs when not in camp, I mean he could cut 10lbs in an hour or two.

Silva walks around at 210-220, his cut to MW is natural though because he seems to pig out when not in camp ie he relaxes & eats whatever the f he wants. I'm sure he casually trains, just no were near as intense. So when he intensivly trains his weight naturally drops to like 195 or so & then he cuts the remaining 10lbs by sweating it out.

[E-Man]

You could make a case for Anderson or GSP. GSP has beaten slightly better competition, but Anderson has made great fighters look silly. The **** he pulls off in fights is insane. He is my GOAT vote.

[sagemoveman]

Jon Jones is the future of mma and the UFC Specifically

[sagemoveman]

He has the charisma to breakout in other arenas, movies, training vides, supplememnts

[E-Man]

If Jon Jones became the greatest fighter of all time it wouldn't shock me. People need to hold off crowning him though. He's got a really tough road ahead of him in a sport that's unpredictable.

[Paroxysm]

Jon Jones is a douche bag.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/210278/scaled_php.jpg

[Paroxysm]

UFC and Fox Reportedly Agree to Network TV Deal.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/16/2366479/ufc-and-fox-reportedly-agree-to-network-tv-deal

[CrypticOne]

HAHA! That's an awesome Penn/Hughes pic.

[E-Man]

I'm loving the new UFC tv deal. The four events on Fox probably will have some awesome bantamweight action. I bet the world is going to find out all about the greatness of either Dominick Cruz or Mighty Mouse. Mark my words, whoever wins their fight in October will be fighting in that first event on Fox against Faber or Bowles.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ben Henderson is quickly becoming one of my fav fighters. Class act, that guy :up:

[TheVileOne]

A couple years ago we thought Machida was going to take over the world and maybe even try a hand at heavyweight.

Jon Jones needs to get through a gauntlet of tough opponents before we can judge him more. Rampage deserves a lot of recognition for beating a dominant Chuck Liddell and then legit beating the former Pride champion in Hendo.

Machida got a gift win over Shogun.

Jones needs to beat Rampage convincingly and then also beat people like Evans, Machida, and maybe even Henderson before we can call him like the greatest fighter in the world.

[E-Man]

Jones needs to beat Rampage convincingly and then also beat people like Evans, Machida, and maybe even Henderson before we can call him like the greatest fighter in the world.

And even if he does that, GSP will probably still fighting and breaking all of Anderson's records. Not to mention that Jose Aldo is young and insanely talented as well. It's fun for me though because I love watching Jones and Aldo fight, and they're both really young.

[B]

If Jon Jones became the greatest fighter of all time it wouldn't shock me. People need to hold off crowning him though. He's got a really tough road ahead of him in a sport that's unpredictable.

Personally I thought last year he was fighter of the year, most improved etc etc. However that being said he has a long list of opponents at 205 to beat before you could even think of placing him in the sort of category that GSP/Silva are in, in the sense that both have cleaned out their natural divisions.

Believe it or not, I personally don't think Jones has really been tested yet. His 2 biggest wins are arguably over Bader, who hadn't really beaten anyone of major note prior to fighting Jones other than maybe Little Nog who has done nothing in the UFC since his arrival. Then he beat Shogun who again despite being the champion I felt has been a overrated by the UFC.

Hear me out, his fights consist of a lose to Griffin, a win against Mark Coleman (enough said), a win against the now retired Chuck Liddell who was never the same since Rampage KO'd him a few years prior, a lose to Machida (fair enough I felt he was screwed but still) then a KO win over Machida. I mean with the exception of his 1 title defense against Machida I don't feel his performances have been that great. Hes 3-3 in the UFC with 2 of his wins over people who were over the hill & fought Jones after coming off another lengthy lay off..

Shogun was still a good opponent mind & more credible than Bader I feel, however I don't think beating Shogun means as much as some people do in regards to how he'd compare against the rest of the division or Anderson Silva.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Outlaw got locked up.

Seriously, how many more losses till he's cut?

[E-Man]

The Fertita Bros. must love some mohawks. Hardy isn't even that exciting or good on the feet, and supposedly he isn't popular in the UK. He is a damn weak bastard for begging for stand up guys too.

[Colossal Spoons]

And GSP showed how weak his takedown defense is. Nice guy though lol

[misjuevos]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/210278/scaled_php.jpg
vid of penn at hughes house, pretty cool to see them training together
K3SFE4EEDHE&feature

[TheVileOne]

Matt Hughes and BJ Penn are having a bromance!

[SuperSoldier985]

After talking to a source close to the situation MMABay.co.uk can reveal that Strikeforce heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem is on the verge of putting pen to paper on an exclusive deal to fight inside the UFC’s octagon with his debut likely to come in December.

We spoke to a source close to “The Reem” earlier today and they explained that the wheels were in motion for the Dutchman to headline the UFC 140 card in Toronto, Ontario, Canada opposite former UFC heavyweight champion, Brock Lesnar.http://www.mmabay.co.uk/2011/08/16/rumour-ufc-140-%E2%80%93-alistair-overeem-could-make-his-octagon-debut-against-brock-lesnar-on-december-10th-in-toronto/


http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lob571nJ4m1qjyii4o1_500.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

Overeem/Lesnar already!? I hoped they wouldn't pull the trigger on that cash cow fight so early but Zuffa will be Zuffa.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Alistair fighting in December is possible, that's about it.... Has Brock even had surgery yet?

[Colossal Spoons]

Brock lives in the woods now :(

[misjuevos]

gilbert melendez, jake ellenberger, alan belcher are gonna be on inside mma this week, just a heads up. it's an hour long mma talk show on hdnet if you are wondering. or you can always watch it on their website the next day.

[E-Man]

They really need to get Gil in there to fight the winner of Edgar/Maynard. The 155 title situation is full of great contenders, but none of them have separated themselves from the pack yet. Melendez IMO is already worth a title shot because he has a legit claim to being the top guy at 155. If not then he can fight Guillard, Bendo, or Guida for the title shot. So many great match-ups in the UFC for that guy.

[B]

Alistair fighting in December is possible, that's about it.... Has Brock even had surgery yet?

Lesnar had surgery the week he pulled out off the Dos Santos fight.

From what I understand the surgery was very serious & I thought I read Dana White saying that Lesnar would be lucky to be fighting in the first half off 2012.

He'll need to make sure he is at 100%, going in to fight someone like Overeem when the biggest hole in his game is his striking is something you don't want to be doing if you are only about 70%.

On paper this is a bad matchup for both guys. Lesnar has struggled against guys with good striking/power & Overeem has never faced a wrestler of Lesnar's ability/calibre before.

[B]

http://www.mmafighting.com/video/dana-white-ufc-133-post-fight-interview/

This is a good watch from Dana White if anyone has a free 10 minutes to kill.

The last, I dunno 4 minutes of a 10 minute interview about UFC 133 he is ranting about Fedor & the 'crazy Russian fans' of his & talks about what he did to try to get Fedor into the UFC and how hes happy now that Fedor didn't accept the deal.

To give you a hint on the tone of the interview his opening comment about the deal was this: "Yea, I flew to some ****ed up island in the middle of nowhere.."

:D

[misjuevos]

http://video.msn.com?vid=f1d310e0-79dc-4bf3-a06a-889081e9e739&mkt=en-us&src=FLPl:shareBar:permalink:uuids

dana and lorenza doing interview with fox about their new deal

[Paroxysm]

Dana White on Lesnar's return.

"Brock's gonna get back in the gym in September. Start training again, cause he hasn't done anything since his surgery -- training wise. Brock will probably be back the first of the year."
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/18/2371294/brock-lesnar-expected-to-return-to-ufc-in-2012

[Mace Bloodstone]

Dana White on Lesnar's return.

"Brock's gonna get back in the gym in September. Start training again, cause he hasn't done anything since his surgery -- training wise. Brock will probably be back the first of the year."
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/18/2371294/brock-lesnar-expected-to-return-to-ufc-in-2012

"Frank Mir has been linked as the most likely opponent"

:cmad: I've already seen this sh**!

[Dr. Evil]

http://video.msn.com?vid=f1d310e0-79dc-4bf3-a06a-889081e9e739&mkt=en-us&src=FLPl:shareBar:permalink:uuids

dana and lorenza doing interview with fox about their new deal

*Waits for Bill O'Reilly to bash his parent company for making this move*

[Mace Bloodstone]

Brock

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[misjuevos]

"Frank Mir has been linked as the most likely opponent"

:cmad: I've already seen this sh**!
that just shows how shallow not just their HW pool is but all HW pools anywhere. they only got a handful of HW fighters.

[misjuevos]

well new fox deal and gus johson is already mentioned as a prefight/postfight guy by the fox exec, lol. please put goldie and gus together.

[E-Man]

I don't want to see Brock fight Mir again. Give Brock Roy, or even someone like Travis Browne. Anyone but Mir. I don't want to see them fight again unless it's for the title.

[CrypticOne]

Why does the UFC love rematches?! I don't wanna see Lesnar/Mir again. But whatever....

[misjuevos]

why you ask, well because they can make money off people and hype the fight up easier. they have footage from the old fights. new fights are just speculation since they never fought before, so the hype is overdrive.

[Mace Bloodstone]

why you ask, well because they can make money off people and hype the fight up easier. they have footage from the old fights. new fights are just speculation since they never fought before, so the hype is overdrive.

I can see it already, brock tapping out in the first fight, some slomotion montage and then brock punching mir in the second while audio of joe rogan amped up.

[B]

**** sake not Lesnar/Mir III.. Lesnar's next fight will be his 8th Pro-MMA bout, if it is against Mir that will be 3 fights out of 8 against Mir. Hope Dana shows some common sense here, at this point those 2 fighting means nothing really. I know they hate each other, but there are alot of other fighters in MMA that have bad blood with another fighter & have not fought them 3 times inside 2/3 years.

Overeem would be a logical fight for Lesnar should he sign for the UFC/Zuffa again & the timing all aligns well. Really I have no interest in seeing Mir/Lesnar III already for the simple fact that neither have improved enough that would make this fight any different.

Mir doesn't have good enough takedown defense to stuff Brock's takedowns & even though he has increased his size, he still would get smoothered by Brock in whatever position he takes him to as Carwin proved against the cage. It would either be another TKO beating by Lesnar or a beating followed by a random submission win for Mir.. more likely the former I personally feel. Same old ****.

Lesnar should be fighting Overeem, Nelson, Noguera/Schaub or Kongo/Mitrione at this point & Mir should fight the other bouts winner or Overeem.

At the moment Mir is one of the only credible HW currently without a bout in the works.. that being said I still don't want to see it just yet. Wait until the result of the match actually means something.

[CrypticOne]

The UFC just hopes to have Brock get a win. I hope Mir knocks him. God knows, Brock is gonna be scared for the rest of his career to take a punch.

[Shogun89]

chances are the winner of Brock vs Mir 3 gets a title shot, unfortunately

[Project862006]

Sick Bellator Season 5 Promo
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Bruce Lee!!

[Project862006]

WOW look at this TV Spot for UFC RIO!!!

Anderson Silva - GOAT
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[Paroxysm]

So today is the day. Will Okami make history or will Silva put another notch on his belt?

[TheVileOne]

Okami only has one way to win, to put Silva on his back and hold him there for 25 minutes. I don't think he can do it. I think Okami is more likely to get caught up in Silva's setups than Sonnen.

I mean I'd love to see it just because Okami is a huge underdog.

[Paroxysm]

Oh for sure, I think that's the only feasible game plan for fighting Anderson Silva.

If he does get Silva on his back though I could see Okami doing a better job than Sonnen because I think Okami has better cardio and I have a feeling Okami will be very cautious of Silva's traps but we'll see.

[E-Man]

I have Anderson, Forrest, and Big Nog winning. I think Nog pulls off the upset tonight. Schaub gets too predictable at times. Shogun's cardio will be what gives Forrest the nod, and Anderson is...well Anderson Silva.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Okami only has one way to win, to put Silva on his back and hold him there for 25 minutes. I don't think he can do it. I think Okami is more likely to get caught up in Silva's setups than Sonnen.

I mean I'd love to see it just because Okami is a huge underdog.

Sonnen was beating Silva at stand up, Silva was getting tagged, then Sonnen wasted all his energy on the ground.

[El Bastardo]

I thought Luiz Cane was Brazilian, so why the **** was he dancing an Irish jig in the middle of the fight? :awesome:

[Iron_Stark]

War Okami!






Don't get your ass kicked too bad.

Edit..

Well that sucked.

[misjuevos]

im glad rua is in shape.

[E-Man]

The greatest of all time still reigns baby! Man it's a pleasure watching a legendary fighter toy with elite fighters. I'm gonna hate it when Anderson retires.

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, it's fights like that that make me glad to be an Anderson Silva fan. And it's fights like that that made me an Anderson Silva fan.

[Project862006]

14-0 in UFC
9 Title Defenses - would be 10 if Lutter made weight
Been MW Champ since 2006
has beaten - BJJ fighters,Wrestlers,Strikers,etc.

no one can touch this man

[DoomsdayApex]

And people doubted Rua...

I think Shogun should drop down to 185 lbs and fight Ando. Now that would be a super fight!

[El Bastardo]

It'd be a good comparison for who can wipe Rua's *** faster - Jones or Anderson.

[DoomsdayApex]

Yes, after all Jones proves he has fantastic striking with his slow looping punches *sarcasm*

[DoomsdayApex]

Jake O'Brien outboxed Jon Jones... yeah. I stop kissing Jones' rear end right about now. The guy is the most overrated fighter in the UFC.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Damn Okami, at least try.. He didn't want to be there, he looked totally disinterested when he got into the ring. Silva's punches and reach are just too good. Not that I think it's going to happen but JSP would be way out of his league if he faced Silva.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well that was embarrassing

[Project862006]

Sonnen rematch if he beats stann is the only mw fight that excites me

[DoomsdayApex]

Sonnen shouldn't even be allowed to fight. He committed federal crimes and continued to lie long after he was caught.

The guy should be behind bars.

I really hope Stann slaughters him, and puts that final nail in Sonnen's mediocre career.

[TheVileOne]

LOL BS. If Sonnen shouldn't be allowed than Leben shouldn't either.

Great card tonight overall. Not that the outcome would've been different but Okami had one of the stupidest gameplans ever. He decided to stand with Anderson. He at least would've had a better chance if he actually tried to use the things that Sonnen tried to teach him.

[Project862006]

he did in the 1st round and silva stuffed his weak take downs

okami is not as strong,fast,athletic as sonnen and okami wrestles completely different than sonnen

chael can single and double leg guys

okami is what i call a power wrestler he clinches and powers or drags you down

[DoomsdayApex]

It's quite hilarious for a fan to always try to defend Sonnen.

Chael committed acts of money laundering, fraud, lying to Federal investigators, and usage of Performance Enhancement Drugs.

An average joe would likely gotten a 15 year sentence.

[Mace Bloodstone]

^^ Wasn't he cleared of all that? I thought the PED thing was all cleared.